may i ask you this? is it time to privatise the nhs? and if not, why not? and if you do think it should be privatised, what would that look like in your mind . and get this right in your mind. and get this right in wales, some teachers have gone on strike this week. no, no no not because of money, not because of conditions. nothing like that. no, it's because of assaults from their pupils. what like that. no, it's because of assearth from their pupils. what like that. no, it's because of assearth is»m their pupils. what like that. no, it's because of assearth is going ir pupils. what like that. no, it's because of assearth is going on?|pils. what like that. no, it's because of assearth is going on? and what like that. no, it's because of assearth is going on? and you at on earth is going on? and you know what? i confess this is a sensitive but gb news, we sensitive one. but gb news, we will the debates that other

will have the debates that other people will and tonight people will not. and tonight i've compelled discuss people will not. and tonight i've i compelled discuss people will not. and tonight i've i saw:ompelled discuss people will not. and tonight i've i saw anpelled discuss people will not. and tonight i've i saw a horrific discuss people will not. and tonight i've i saw a horrific story scuss people will not. and tonight i've i saw a horrific story of|ss this. i saw a horrific story of an ex doctor being spared jail despite having some of the most serious category of child abuse images on his computer. so, look, i believe that it's time that chemical castration for paedophiles is made mandatory. am i wrong or not? and take a look at this thing . it's like a look at this thing. it's like a robocop stationed in the booze aisle of supermarkets to try and cock a cat . shoplifters. cock a cat. shoplifters. i absolutely love it if it thinks that you are caught in the act, it'll blast out a siren . i don't it'll blast out a siren. i don't know, get some lights onto you. absolutely fantastic . and bring absolutely fantastic. and bring it on. expand the use is what i say. but guess what other people are saying. this is a complete breach of privacy. is it? what says you ? well, we're going to

says you? well, we're going to get stuck into all of those topics, but before we do, let's cross live to polly middlehurst for tonight's latest news headunes. for tonight's latest news headlines . michelle thank you headlines. michelle thank you and good evening to you. >> well, the top story from the newsroom today is that the official inquiry into the post office scandal has been grilling a investigator about what a former investigator about what he what he didn't know he did. and what he didn't know regarding horizon it regarding the faulty horizon it software at the centre of the debacle. stephen bradshaw insisted he was not an expert on the system and defended comments he made back in 2012 that he had absolute confidence in horizon . absolute confidence in horizon. at the same time, though, he admitted he did see hundreds of complaints coming in from subpostmasters. he denied allegations of bullying and unprofessional behaviour at the same time, saying he also told no no post office worker that they were the only one experiencing issues with the software . software. >> i'm not technically minded with that . i would expect that

with that. i would expect that to come from the people above. if it was an issue, i would expect fujitsu to inform the post office and the full post office to let us know what what the are. it was given the issues are. it was given that statement by cartwright, king to put that king and told to put that statement through in hindsight, after a thread in my previous statements, they probably should have another stating have been another line stating that these not my words, but that these are not my words, but the statement is produced as a business statement. stephen bradshaw, former post office investigator, now in other news today, the nhs is failing to hit most of its key performance targets despite the overall waiting list dropping according to new data, more than 355,000 people in england have been waiting over a year to start hospital treatment. >> that was in november last year and it is down from more than 377,000 at the end of october, but more than 11,000 people in england have been waiting over 18 months. the health secretary says the waits would be lower if junior doctors

could agree to a realistic pay settlement . but i think we could agree to a realistic pay settlement. but i think we all recognise that 35% is not affordable and so we have to find a solution to this. i have already found a fair and reasonable settlements with consultants and with speciality doctors , and they both those doctors, and they both those groups of doctors are voting on those on those offers at the moment. i very much hope that they will be able to support those offers. and so there is a deal to be done, but we have to be realistic, we have to be sensible . and victoria atkins is sensible. and victoria atkins is now the government's announced plans for a new major nuclear power station planned to be as big as both hinkley point and sizewell . it's in its big as both hinkley point and sizewell. it's in its bid to strengthen the uk's energy security and ultimately lower electricity bills , as £300 electricity bills, as £300 million will also be invested in producing fuel to power the reactors, removing dependence on russian supplies . iran seized an

russian supplies. iran seized an oil tanker in the gulf of oman, andifs oil tanker in the gulf of oman, and it's raised fears of an escalation of tensions in the region. it comes after the royal navy's hms diamond shot down attack drones aimed at commercial shipping in the red sea. they were launched by houthi rebels, who are backed by iran. bank of england boss andrew bailey warned yesterday that tensions in the middle east could push prices up here in britain . the prime minister britain. the prime minister won't be attending the world economic forum in davos next week, sending senior ministers instead. the us secretary of state antony blinken, the french president emmanuel macron and europe's commission president ursula von der leyen will all be there. but the government says its priorities will be championing british growth sectors and promoting business investment. the 54th world economic forum begins in the swiss ski resort on tuesday against what's likely to be the most complicated global political backdrop in its history . now a disruptive arctic

history. now a disruptive arctic snow blast is set to hit britain next week. the met office warning a northerly air flow is going to bring arctic air with snow showers to the uk from sunday. it means travel plans could once again be disrupted. risk breakdown warning drivers to prepare in case of a breakdown during the cold weather. meanwhile, a cold health alert remains in force, warning of the weather's potential to have a significant impact on vulnerable people . the impact on vulnerable people. the princess royal has visited a buddhist temple on her second day of engagements in sri lanka . day of engagements in sri lanka. the visit marks 75 years of sri lanka's diplomatic ties with britain. the temple of the sacred tooth is the most significant buddhist temple in the country. princess anne also met with the halo trust , the met with the halo trust, the same mine and ordnance clearance charity which the late princess diana famously supported . that's diana famously supported. that's the news on gb news across the uk on tv in your car on digital radio and on your smart speaker.

this is britain's news channel . this is britain's news channel. thank you very much for that, polly. >> my name is michelle dewberry. i'm with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me. i've got the former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie, and the visiting professor staffordshire professor at staffordshire university, good university, tom buick. good evening, both of evening, gentlemen, to both of you. know the drill as well, you. you know the drill as well, don't you, on this programme, it's not just about us. it's very much about you guys at home. what's on mind home. what's on your mind tonight? lots i want to tonight? i've got lots i want to talk about. i want to talk to you about. i want to talk to you about. i want to talk about kids assaulting their teachers. what's going on there? uh also, these kind of robocop teachers. what's going on there? uh isupermarketsd of robocop teachers. what's going on there? uh (supermarkets. have obocop teachers. what's going on there? uh (supermarkets. have youzop and supermarkets. have you seen them? they good idea or them? are they a good idea or a breach privacy? one has breach of privacy? that one has got of people talking. nhs got a lot of people talking. nhs coming a second as well. coming up in a second as well. and i know this is controversial, but i don't shy away from controversial things. i'm a simple question i'm asking a simple question if you convicted paedophile, i'm asking a simple question if you c

horizon scandal there. horizon scandal briefly there. um, on the um, polly mentioning it on the headlines, chief headlines, this chief investigator saying that investigator there saying that he really technically he wasn't really technically minded, your job minded, bearing in mind yourjob is of investigate, uh, is to kind of investigate, uh, not least a very complex it system . um, it's a bit of a system. um, it's a bit of a farce, isn't it, kelvin? >> well, i mean , this has been >> well, i mean, this has been beyond shocking . the whole beyond shocking. the whole hofizon beyond shocking. the whole horizon scandal, his evidence is now making it entirely clear that they had a load of people who were investigating this who weren't who either were party pre. they were being paid in a way which meant that they wanted to turn away from any suggestion that there was any anything wrong with it . but actually the wrong with it. but actually the worst aspect about that was, he says that i think it was a major law firm . um, he said, i didn't law firm. um, he said, i didn't write that. i was told to write that by the law firm . and yet that by the law firm. and yet the problem with those statements is you sign them. right. that's the problem for that guy there. but if that's true, i'd like to hear from the law firm and say, well, did they do that? okay. did that why did they do that? >> war in art, i'm telling you

now, uh, it'll be eye—watering. the amount of stuff that comes out of this inquiry as it goes along. um, tom, your thoughts, and think what it's going to and i think what it's going to find systemic failure in our find is systemic failure in our corporate and judicial system. >> every level. and, >> absolutely. every level. and, you know , some people have been you know, some people have been held to account, but we're going to lot people that to see a lot more people that need to if they've got gongs, they should be handing those back. and frankly, you know, they should be fired as well because this absolute because this is an absolute scandal. i it's going to scandal. i mean, it's going to go in history. so go down in british history. so oh already has probably oh god, it already has probably the miscarriage of justice. >> yeah, indeed. across to >> yeah, indeed. across i got to say, a personal note, say, just on a personal note, what i've noticed about the coverage. don't know what coverage. i don't know what you've all, but to me you've made to it all, but to me it seems so many people now on all sides, right across the whole to be whole spectrum, they seem to be jumping bandwagon now of jumping on the bandwagon now of this horrendous scandal for their political gain, their own political gain, whether make whether it's to try and make themselves or whether themselves look good, or whether it's make their it's trying to make their opponent look bad, there's something about that that's making me very uncomfortable because let me you right because let me tell you right now, comes off this well, now, nobody comes off this well, nobody this thing spans, uh,

years and years, decades. it spans all of the major political parties. one of the things i did find quite interesting is, uh ed davey. he's got in touch with ofcom complaining about gb news and the way we are covering and the way that we are covering this story here. i mean , you this story here. i mean, you literally couldn't make that up. what to it all? get what do you make to it all? get in touch on that post office one. i know that many you are one. i know that many of you are really about this. really passionate about this. uh, understandable reasons, uh, for understandable reasons, but to you but i also want to talk to you tonight nhs because as tonight about nhs because as some data has been revealed some key data has been revealed today, think actually it today, and i think actually it tells us what many of us already knew, essentially the nhs has failed to meet its key targets . failed to meet its key targets. okay. yes, you can celebrate some small bits around the edges, but ultimately we've still got nearly 8 million people waiting for treatment to be carried out. and i think actually i can pop onto the screen some of these key targets , outs that have been missed, and i have to be clear, everyone, it's right across the uk. just in one uk. it's not just in one particular part of it. i'm asking harsh question then asking a harsh question then kelvin, think can kelvin, because i think we can all admit, you know what? it's

not working in its not really working in its current to ask current form. i'm going to ask the is it time to the unaskable is it time to privatise the nhs? i think it's certainly time to change it. >> i think i think we've got to go over to paying , we've got to go over to paying, we've got to start paying money ourselves. everybody seems to be able to pay everybody seems to be able to pay to go out to dinner and everything, but they seem to object to the fact that they have to pay when they go to a to a medical centre. and issue a medical centre. and the issue about this that that we about this is that that we should go over the irish should go over to the irish system which is effectively system or which is effectively about 35% of the country, see the very old, the young people who haven't got any money, they don't pay, 65% are going to have to pay more. and in doing so they do it through insurance and they do it through insurance and they tax relief on it. so they get tax relief on it. so i know when, when, when i say this and i always get older, people saying, oh, i haven't got any money and i paid by taxes, honestly, can't on honestly, we can't carry on funding isn't funding the nhs. there isn't enough money in the world. in fact, i saw a projection of the nhs which said that it was going to up the entire government to take up the entire government

budget this by 2040. and budget at this rate by 2040. and honestly , all of us can believe honestly, all of us can believe it every time ever hear it every time we ever hear anything, somebody who anything, somebody, somebody who runs says we need more money. >> yeah. but kevin, i mean, i, we are paying for it. we all pay into this pot right through general taxation and pensioners have working have if they've had a working life they have paid into it and actually if look at it actually if you look at it internationally, it takes , what, internationally, it takes, what, about our america , about 10% of our gdp in america, about 10% of our gdp in america, a system. it's about a privatised system. it's about 17. yeah. and of course people do pay for it. where i agree with you and where we do need a serious debate in this country is the structure of this national health service, which we inherited in the in the bomb damaged ashes of the war, a top down technocratic system. we cannot have a secretary of state for health trying to manage every single hospital in this country from whitehall. so we do need to look at the structure of the nhs. >> but are you saying we should pay >> but are you saying we should pay tax, or are you saying pay more tax, or are you saying you should go over to my system? well, having insurance we well, having the insurance we can democratic can learn from social democratic systems in systems like you see in scandinavia where actually

co—pays is a feature. >> dirty word. >> it's not a dirty word. >> it's not a dirty word. >> it's not a dirty word. >> i been i have actually >> i have been i have actually stayed stockholm. had to go stayed in stockholm. i had to go and my doctor and i had to and see my doctor and i had to pay pay £50. >> yeah, i'll tell you what else we could do. you know, there are employees have got private employees who have got private health who have health care who currently have to they've already to pay tax when they've already paying to pay tax when they've already paying tax into the nhs. they pay paying tax into the nhs. they pay tax on that because it's a taxable benefit. you the taxable benefit. you know, the government abolish that government should abolish that and scrap that because if it helps down lists, helps bring down waiting lists, because people hang on. >> let's explore what you >> let's explore what what you mean just explore that. mean then. so just explore that. so if someone's i don't know so if someone's got i don't know whether they're paying so if someone's got i don't know wh

would want government to abolish that. actually a, it's that. it's actually a, it's double taxation. think double taxation. if you think about it. but hold on. >> take logistics >> let's take a logistics of this private schools. this a bit like private schools. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> but hold on. let's think of >> yeah. >> logistics.on. let's think of >> yeah. >> logistics. so let's think of >> yeah. >> logistics. so your think of >> yeah. >> logistics. so your employee the logistics. so your employee let's just say you have the good fortune give me a job and you fortune to give me a job and you offer bupa now. so you want offer me bupa now. so you want the tax man to know, right? michelle bupa. so michelle has got this bupa. so you kind of somehow you want this kind of somehow a year on top of your salary for that yeah. then you that benefit. yeah. so then you want government be linked want the government to be linked into michelle's bupa into michelle's got this bupa and going to what and then we're going to what we're going to have new tax we're going to have a new tax code up for michelle. no code set up for michelle. no that's the system. code set up for michelle. no tha now e system. code set up for michelle. no tha now that'sam. code set up for michelle. no tha now that's what i'm saying. >> now that's what i'm saying. the government should get out of >> now that's what i'm saying. the 51 vernment should get out of >> now that's what i'm saying. the 51 think|ent should get out of >> now that's what i'm saying. the 51 think|eremployerset out of >> now that's what i'm saying. the 51 think|eremployers want: of that. i think if employers want to offer a tax free benefit idea like bupa any of the other like bupa or any of the other health but many health care providers, but many of them non—profit, by of them whom are non—profit, by the then why don't we the way, yeah. then why don't we allow if it helps allow that? because if it helps bfing allow that? because if it helps bring waiting lists down, it also means then we are protecting those who aren't in work that kind of work and have that kind of scheme. and you know, those who can't health can't afford private health care. saying. can't afford private health care abjectly saying. can't afford private health careabjectly against saying. i'm abjectly against privatising. you know privatising. do you know what would happen? >> the entire workforce

>> the nhs, the entire workforce would having would end up under having a private so in fact, we private scheme. so in fact, we might dismantle the nhs through youridea might dismantle the nhs through your idea because nobody anybody who a there's one who went for a job, there's one thing right now thing they asked for right now i must from and the next must work from home and the next one be i must have free one will be i must have free health care and actually , that health care and actually, that might a very good idea, might be a very good idea, but it'd expensive. but it'd be massively expensive. but look, idea. it's look, it's an idea. it's a better idea than the one we've got now, is is got right now, which is there is nobody, mean, within my own nobody, i mean, within my own family, literally a discussion yesterday, right? they they, they said about their nhs treatment. that's local. right it was an absolute nightmare . it was an absolute nightmare. >> just in case you're listening on the radio and you miss some of those key stats, let me just remind you some of the goings on of these targets that have been missed. this into missed. just to put this into perspective you've perspective right. um, you've got this hour a&e target got this four hour a&e target that was last achieved in england in july 2015. in northern ireland, apparently it's never been reached in scotland. it was last achieved in july 2020 and in wales never reached it. i mean, you're 62 day cancer , uh, target that was day cancer, uh, target that was last achieved in england in

december 2015. in march 2009, in scotland , uh, december 2012. and scotland, uh, december 2012. and in wales august 2010. now, whichever way you slice and dice, this, this is a system that's failing many people will say, well, actually we had perhaps, i don't know, like a more motivated, uh, staff, you might be able to turn some of this stuff around quicker. i know you've got quite strong views, tom, in of the views, tom, in terms of the junior doctors strikes and the wage, um, increases that they should receive. >> mean, actually for >> i mean, i actually feel for a lot nhs trusts because, you lot of nhs trusts because, you know, they're getting the know, they're getting in the neck right, for missing these a&e say, a&e targets, which as you say, it's across uk. it's been it's across the uk. it's been under successive governments as well, despite the amount of money been in. but money that's been put in. but what's failing is primary what's really failing is primary health know can't health care. you know you can't get a appointment. so what get a gp appointment. so what are doing? they, try are people doing? they, uh, try and jump the queue actually by crowding out, um, the accident and emergency department, often for ailments which are not accident and emergency. so that's part of the problem. yeah.i that's part of the problem. yeah. i mean , how cancer yeah. i mean, how many cancer diagnoses getting , but diagnoses now are getting, but

you solution is to you think the solution is to give doctors a 35% pay give junior doctors a 35% pay rise? >> am right ? >> am i right? >> am i right? >> i because i think a they >> i do because i think a they deserve that pay rise and the government is the employer and we're taxpayers and we we're the taxpayers and we should be paying them because otherwise go off otherwise they go off to australia earn that australia and they do earn that under my scheme. >> scheme, they would >> under my scheme, they would do better because actually they wouldn't , there wouldn't be asking, well, there wouldn't be asking, well, there would monopoly and they would be no monopoly and they wouldn't be represented by rather trade unionists who rather vile trade unionists who are prepared see your mum die are prepared to see your mum die just to get another so just to get another 4. so a system where we had to pay to meet people mean that many people would come out of the public, out of the public arena and would actually be as wealthy as they want to be. i want them to be wealthy. they can't be wealthy under this system. nobody wants to pay any more. wealthy under this system. nolwe'rerants to pay any more. wealthy under this system. nolwe're only to pay any more. wealthy under this system. nolwe're only taking any more. wealthy under this system. nolwe're only taking 70001ore. >> we're only taking 7000 doctors a year. we need 20,000 doctors. i don't understand the government is the employer. it should be funding these student places. you know what? over 25,000 british students with a—level . with good enough a—level. with good enough a—levels apply to medical school every year .

a—levels apply to medical school every year. and they a—levels apply to medical school every year . and they get a—levels apply to medical school every year. and they get only 7000 places available. i mean, can you tell me a single corporation or employer that knows how many workers it needs to fulfil its obligations to its customers or citizens? but all right, but what about what about us individuals then? >> because loads of people, they don't look after themselves , don't look after themselves, they eat the wrong food, they dfink they eat the wrong food, they drink too much booze. um i don't know. they might go doing whatever time, whatever in their spare time, extreme sports or whatever. so we do. we actually look after ourselves try and ourselves enough to try and prevent usage of the nhs. that's the point, isn't it? >> but we need to get a primary health care system with gps, which have always acted. yeah, but you're avoiding my question. >> do you think people too >> do you think people are too overweight much? >> do you think people are too ovewell, 1t much? >> do you think people are too ovewell, look, much? >> do you think people are too ovewell, look, you much? >> do you think people are too ovewell, look, you know, much? >> well, look, you know, i probably drank and ate a bit too much christmas. does that much at christmas. does that mean be barred from mean i should be barred from access the nhs or gp access to the nhs or gp services? i think as a society we've decision over we've made that decision over decades now to put an arm around every single citizen, whatever their provide universal their ailments provide universal health right? health care, right? >> a very good point. >> so that's a very good point. but can we actually afford to

carry on doing it? we're missing every targets everybody every targets because everybody is whether they're is so, so whether they're unhealthy or there aren't enough doctors, i don't know. what doctors, i don't know. but what i is that we can't carry i do know is that we can't carry on like this. and there is nobody, nobody that i've ever met really, over the last five years who have said it's this is impossible. yeah. >> lynn says no, no, no. what are you talking about? privatisation this is unbelievable. it's the worst thing we could ever do . i mean, thing we could ever do. i mean, the amount of exclamation marks in your email. you're not messing around. you mean business, lynn. you're having none of it. you're saying put up our national insurance contribution. everybody in the uk, she says, needs to invest more . more? uh, i've got to be more. more? uh, i've got to be honest, i wouldn't be happy actually paying a higher contribution nhs as it contribution to the nhs as it currently stands , because i currently stands, because i think if you've got a bucket that's full holes, you won't that's full of holes, you won't keep plugging into keep plugging water into it, would you'd all the would you? you'd fix all the holes you started topping holes before you started topping it and actually it up again. and i actually would to see serious reform would like to see serious reform , and things be more , um, um, and things be more effective and efficient. before

i would to make, uh, even i would like to make, uh, even higher contributions taxes. higher contributions in taxes. wouldn't me know wouldn't you, uh, let me know your thoughts uh, look, your thoughts on that? uh, look, after break, get this right. after the break, get this right. uh, teachers in some of uh, teachers in wales, some of them on strike this them went out on strike this week, right? not because of money or anything that. no, money or anything like that. no, but of the amount of but because of the amount of violence that face from violence that they face from their students. what on earth is going on? you tell me .

listening to gb news radio. >> hi there, dewbs & co with >> hi there, dewbs& co with michelle dewberry seven, the former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie, alongside me and the visiting professor at staffordshire university, tom buick. we've just been talking about the nhs, sheila has been in touch on twitter . she says in touch on twitter. she says kelvin is talking about insurance . but what would happen insurance. but what would happen to people like my son? got to people like my son? he's got three illnesses and three chronic illnesses and autoimmune disease and can't autoimmune disease and he can't get life insurance. how would he get life insurance. how would he get insurance then for medical treatment works full

treatment? he also works full time, she says. rob says can't believe no one's mentioned the outrageous costs of agency nurses. uh hiring many multiples of the salary that of the people that they work alongside. you're saying management in the nhs needs scrapping and reorganising ? um, who's this talking about? a nice example. i like this gin. you say, michel, all of the nhs should be run like my health trust in north tyneside. and it's the best in the country i've had many operations, hospital was great and you say the food was fantastic . that's the food was fantastic. that's interesting. i don't often hear that feedback about hospital food. i've got to be honest . um, food. i've got to be honest. um, graham, you're not messing around. you're just saying no, the need privatising the nhs doesn't need privatising . it needs new management. he would recommend the military. really? what we want? really? is that what we want? our forces, whoever it our armed forces, whoever it might um, i don't know. the might be? um, i don't know. the army or whatever. they've got nothing better to do then reorganise get in reorganise the nhs, get in touch. me know. maybe you touch. let me know. maybe you might think that the answer might think that is the answer to all. uh, let's talk then. to it all. uh, let's talk then. over get this. over in wales. right. get this. teachers are striking, right?

they've week. they've been striking this week. not money or anything not because of money or anything like but because like that, but because apparently been treated apparently they've been treated as for violent as punch bags, uh, for violent pupils at their schools . and pupils at their schools. and i've also heard reports about people in scotland, uh, criticising , uh, like inclusion criticising, uh, like inclusion policies , i.e. where the worst policies, i.e. where the worst behaved kids were going to hog. yeah. we're going to keep you in the classrooms even though you're treating us like absolute doormats and abuse victims. you are in education, tom. where are youoh, absolutely. support >> oh, absolutely. support teachers. right to strike. indeed. any workers. right. if they're environment in a they're in an environment in a working environment that is unsafe and management there's unsafe and management or there's the boards the resources are the boards or the resources are not there to make that environment safe , you wouldn't environment safe, you wouldn't come into this studio if it was an unsafe environment. i don't think our teachers should as well agreed. >> but let's look at what's going why are pupils in going on then. why are pupils in schools having absolute schools having the absolute audacity to physically assault teachers as well? >> that's not acceptable . and >> that's not acceptable. and there are things like, um, pupil behaviour units, but we've seen

actually a cut, uh, in those units in local authorities over the last few years . um, and, you the last few years. um, and, you know, there are indeed behaviour strategies that the professionals can work together and come up with to deal with those from dysfunctional homes, often who need that extra support, and they don't get it. but what i would say is just because actually of the because actually part of the question was , today's question here was, are today's teenagers absolute feral, you know, and, and somehow they lost respect for authority loss. no, i don't think they have. because actually if you look at the number of permanent pupil exclusions in education, it's running at 0.04. in words , running at 0.04. in other words, it's about four in every 10,000 pupils have major behavioural issues and they end up either being temporary or permanent exclusions. now that's not me under if you're a under playing. if you're a teacher and you've got a disruptive pupil who's threatening with violence, threatening you with violence, and we have seen teachers killed , in the last few , haven't we, in the last few years school. but i just years in school. but i just don't think a it's anything like the people are saying it the problem people are saying it is. it's about is. and in the end it's about resourcing local authorities . resourcing local authorities. >> i don't buy

>> go on. look, i don't buy that, by the way. i had it in my wider family. i had a i have a relation who was a teacher and it was nightmarish. >> i thought he was gonna say you had all these problem. i thought he was going to disprove his statistics by saying that just in your family alone, you had these, this, this had all of these, this, this person not very tall. person was not very tall. >> 15 old kids in the >> 15 year old kids in the comprehensive, big guys. comprehensive, right? big guys. right? glowering threatening, telling off all the all telling you to f off all the all that kind of stuff. right. and this is where the whole breakdown, you're on your detention, you're going be detention, you're going to be excluded. the excluded. boom! along comes the head , withering head teacher, some withering figure. you're always claiming that they're all great and they're geniuses, and they're all geniuses, and they're all geniuses, and they're worth 200 grand they're all worth 200 grand a yeah they're all worth 200 grand a year. right but actually, what happened was the deputy head would come along and said, look, can just allow tom to come can we just allow tom to come back in again, do we have to have detention and all the rest of it rather, because it's no point having your point about point having your point about point zero four, you try excluding , you try excluding. excluding, you try excluding. you as well as i do.

you know this as well as i do. you know this as well as i do. you try excluding pupils from a school . it is a nightmare. no, school. it is a nightmare. no, no backing from local education. no backing from the head teacher who looks at the local education for his or her preferment. right. the whole thing is a nightmare. you're not trying to tell me these people go on strike because they want to do this. they want to this this. they want to do this because making a point. because they're making a point. and i accept that. and and i totally accept that. and i bet every teacher that is bet you every teacher that is watching this show tonight will be , do know be saying, saying, do you know what it's shocking what we know? it's shocking example 15 year old, 14 example of a 15 year old, 14 year old lad literally either threatening me or swearing at me. and i'm not going. no, but you're at the top. >> yeah, but you're describing the system symptoms. you just go out and really what the out and really round what the solution the problem is. solution of the problem is. >> because problem, more >> because the problem, more than is actually than a symptom, that is actually what to people what has led to these people walking out. what has led to these people walbuti out. what has led to these people walbut a ut. what has led to these people walbut a symptom of these >> but a symptom of these disruptive pupils being left in schools is because local authorities aren't funded authorities aren't being funded adequately these pupil adequately with these pupil referral and behavioural referral units and behavioural problems and even if they are included, isn't it? >> why isn't it? not just >> why isn't it? it's not just about money, but it's about

saying why isn't it about straightforward right? >> even if they had >> look, even if they had teachers which would exclude these do they these pupils, then where do they go? in the town centres, go? they're in the town centres, you know, antisocial violence hanging these children who hanging out. these children who are causing class are getting the education that their parents taxes paid for. taxes have paid for. >> right. that is another example. >> point they don't have >> my point is they don't have to be in the classroom if they're behavioural problems. they're a behavioural problems. there within there can be still within a school have 1 to 1 school but have 1 to 1 professional support. but you do need resources calvin for that and it has to be resourced properly. i'm not saying for a moment saying, okay, can moment i'm saying, okay, can i just say that probably of the two of us, you're further to the left than i am, right? >> it's a guess. >> it's a guess. >> can give me label if >> you can give me that label if you i feel a bit you like. i feel a bit politically homeless these days, but you can give me that label. >> are you saying labour >> are you saying when labour come then they write come in, then they will write another try and another huge check to try and deal these legitimate deal with these legitimate concerns workforce? the concerns of a workforce? the fact teachers, you fact that they're teachers, you know, this this has happened know, if this this has happened on the railways, the rmt will be on the railways, the rmt will be on even often on strike even more often than it is now. >> but know what i did think

>> but you know what i did think actually interesting about actually was interesting about the shadow of state, the shadow secretary of state, bridget speech bridget philipson's speech this week, talked about, week, where she talked about, you know, reform ofsted. you know, reform of ofsted. that was the kind of around was the kind of headline around you're away these you're moving away from these single the single grades, but actually the underreported speech underreported part of her speech was was that a labour was she was saying that a labour government looking as government would be looking as much terms of what goes on much in terms of what goes on outside parenting outside the school. parenting early the support , as early years, the support, as much as what we talk about in terms of what's going on inside the everything just the school, everything you just said is about what's going said to me is about what's going on the school. we've got on inside the school. we've got to look at going to look at what's going on outside school. >> all right. i like i like >> all right. i like the i like the academic view all the academic view of it all this, that other. but this, that and the other. but the actual reality, right in a difficult area like barry. right. which i haven't got a lot of right, is that of resource. right, is that these so alarmed these people feel so, so alarmed at their at their threat to their physicality, that they're going on strike. what are we going on strike. what are we going to do to protect them? i say should actually just turf say we should actually just turf out those that don't want to learn and are to prepared create violence towards a teacher. well, how wrong is that in scotland? >> apparently they have this

inclusion strategy . yeah. and inclusion strategy. yeah. and it's all about, um , essentially it's all about, um, essentially stopping teachers from singling these bad, bad kids out. um, and it's all about restorative methods and trying to do all of these nice kind of kind things. but when you listen to examples from teachers , i had a boy says from teachers, i had a boy says one, i had a boy who used to throw a chair at my head every single week, kids push past me. they run full pelt into you. they run full pelt into you. they knock you over, they kick you. i mean, as as a parent, you. i mean, as a as a parent, i sit here and i think, what would i if i got wind of the fact i do if i got wind of the fact that my child had been kicking teachers? i mean, i am laughing and cringing because over my dead body would my child be behaving in a way where he thought it was acceptable that he could kick a teacher right . he could kick a teacher right. and many people are getting in touch now. and jean, as for example , has said, the power in example, has said, the power in our schools is now with the pupils, not the teachers . a pupils, not the teachers. a teacher can't even put a hand on a pupil in a crowded corridor to move them along without being

accused of assault. once those kind of allegations is made, the latter basically doesn't have any say until they ultimately end up in court. rebecca says i worked in a school. it was constant violence, but the teachers were not allowed to do anything about it. um jewel says, my daughter is a teacher. behaviour has gone down the pan because no one is allowed to discipline the children anymore because you hurt their because you might hurt their feelings. teachers have no power in own classroom anymore, in their own classroom anymore, judy. i mean, i could go on. i'm an teacher. um, basically , an ex teacher. um, basically, teachers in my day were allowed to discipline their children. the government those powers the government took those powers away us. and now what we away from us. and now what we need to see is a return to that, where teachers have the to where teachers have the right to discipline children schools . discipline children in schools. >> don't support the >> well, i don't support the idea bringing the birch. idea of bringing back the birch. you know , um, and corporal you know, um, and corporal punishment , you know, um, and corporal punishment, bringing back the bird carrying bird that's carrying the argument yeah, that's the argument. yeah, but that's the undertone. a lot of undertone. i think a lot of those not. >> well, some people do say that. >> by the way, just to be clear, some people do say the answer because was a school in

because there was a school in england had a similar problem. because there was a school in engthei had a similar problem. because there was a school in engthei had a siwent problem. because there was a school in engthei had a siwent out blem. because there was a school in engthei had a siwent out on m. >> the teachers went out on strike because there was violence towards teachers. and it resolved actually with a it was resolved actually with a half investment it was resolved actually with a half school investment it was resolved actually with a half school governors:ment it was resolved actually with a half school governors andt it was resolved actually with a half school governors and the the school governors and the local agreed put local authority agreed to put in, these um, in, including these um, behavioural units. was behavioural support units. was that, was a school behavioural support units. was th.kent was a school behavioural support units. was th.kent last was a school behavioural support units. was th.kent last year, was a school behavioural support units. was th.kent last year, which school behavioural support units. was th.kent last year, which a:hool behavioural support units. was th.kent last year, which a very in kent last year, which a very similar case to this actually. and of course, you know charles. right. frequently up right. happens to frequently up and down land in too many of and down the land in too many of our schools. i am not for a minute justifying you know, my partner teacher and you partner is a teacher and you know, i've heard of these know, i've heard some of these horror stories particularly horror stories of particularly persistent, disruptive children who to be taken who do need either to be taken out of the school and supported, but favour just but i don't favourjust banishment out into the local town centre. >> you think we're having >> why do you think we're having this why this not this debate? why is this not happening? not happening to this debate? why is this not hap|point]? not happening to this debate? why is this not hap|point where1ot happening to this debate? why is this not hap|point where one1appening to this debate? why is this not hap|point where one schoolng to this debate? why is this not hap|point where one school ando the point where one school and i encourage teachers actually, encourage all teachers actually, actually, i'm not on the not on the but teacher the forefront, but every teacher group think about walking group should think about walking out they can have they out so that they can have they can have legitimate it. um, they can have legitimate it. um, they can go to work with safety . can go to work with safety. yeah. there are signs you go on the railways , the signs you're

the railways, the signs you're not allowed to abuse. >> don't abuse them. but i think there is just a wider point which is about the professional status teaching days status of teaching these days compared i were compared to when you and i were at school decades ago. right and, know, had the, the and, you know, i had the, the privilege of being taught, i suppose, by the wartime generation. up in the generation. i grew up in the 70s. you know, they got bit 70s. you know, they got a bit elderly and went into elderly and they went into teaching. so of course there was a different mindset in the school what discipline school about what discipline good citizenship good moral values, citizenship meant. i do think, you know, meant. and i do think, you know, we've education system we've got an education system now you know, where the now that you know, where the professional status has been much diminished over recent years, we're not paying teachers enough. years, we're not paying teachers enough . there's massive burnout enough. there's massive burnout in profession . after five in the profession. after five years. many teachers years. so many teachers are leaving . these are the kind of leaving. these are the kind of issues got get to issues we've also got to get to gfips issues we've also got to get to grips well, the one person grips with. well, the one person that i know that was in teaching and left one the major and left early, one of the major reasons because of reasons they left was because of the way that they were treated reasons they left was because of thethe,’ that they were treated reasons they left was because of thethe,’ th the, ey were treated reasons they left was because of thethe,’ th the, by were treated reasons they left was because of thethe,’ th the, by the, treated reasons they left was because of thethe,’ th the, by the, byeated reasons they left was because of thethe,’ th the, by the, by the! by the, by the, by the, by the thugs in the classes. >> one of my viewers who goes by the initials p.w, says, uh, schools, exclude schools, schools won't exclude pupils because they're worried that exclusion rate that if they're exclusion rate is high, it will ultimately

impact their ofcom, ofcom, not ofcom. ofsted very similar organisation in their ofsted rating. i mean, so many people are basically saying that this comes down to an ultimate loss of respect between young people and quite frankly, many of you are suggesting any form of authority, whether it's a police officer, whether it's a teacher, let's even face it, their parents, a lot of young people don't even respect their own parents, do they? i mean , where parents, do they? i mean, where do you even go when that is the starting point? everybody, uh, look, the show look, lots coming up on the show tonight. have a little tonight. let's have a little look at this. i want to show you. i think it's absolutely fantastic. um, it's like, you. i think it's absolutely fanta many um, it's like, you. i think it's absolutely fanta many people it's like, you. i think it's absolutely fanta many people are like, you. i think it's absolutely fanta many people are calling, what many people are calling, like a robocop . it's like a pod. like a robocop. it's like a pod. it's popped up now morrisons. it's popped up now in morrisons. it's popped up now in morrisons. i really do. i can't celebrate this enough. it's a try and clamp down on shoplifters, right? people are crying. obviously uh, that it's obviously uh, saying that it's a breach their privacy. i think breach of their privacy. i think it's natural step it's just a natural step evolution in terms of trying to prevent shoplifting. which side of the argument are you on? also

i want to have a very sensitive, uh, debate with you tonight. really? something i'm very passionate about. a convicted paedophile. should they be forced to have mandatory chemical castration? ponder all those things and i'll see you in a couple of minutes

need bank rolling. how will labour pay for all these ideas? >> hi there, michelle dewberry total seven. former editor of the sun , kelvin mackenzie the sun, kelvin mackenzie alongside me as is the visiting professor at staffordshire university, tom buick . uh, lots university, tom buick. uh, lots of you getting in touch . uh, of you getting in touch. uh, someone going by the initials kb says i work in, um, a pupil referral unit. and the problem is weak. head teachers, they basically weren't exclude unless the behaviour is extreme because they worry, uh, that the school is essentially made to look bad. you're saying behaviour bad behaviour is caused by, uh, your language is quite choice . by the language is quite choice. by the way, i can tell that you're hanging around with some challenging kids anyway . you're

challenging kids anyway. you're saying that you blame parents for a lot of this, and you're suggesting that if a child ends up a behavioural unit, you're up at a behavioural unit, you're saying the parents be saying the parents should be fined? be fined? that will be controversial. can tell you. controversial. i can tell you. let me know your thoughts on that. this the that. sharon you say this is the first time ever got in first time i've ever got in touch with your programme. you're welcome , sharon. she you're very welcome, sharon. she basically the basically says stats and all the rest are fine. when it rest of it are fine. when it comes nhs. but she says, comes to the nhs. but she says, what about recognise the holistic nhs? she holistic nature of the nhs? she talks about things like community and all of the community trusts and all of the value that they add, and she worries that privatisation could jeopardise integrity of jeopardise the integrity of those services. those community based services. uh, there you go. what do you make to some of that now? i make no bones for this . i accept this no bones for this. i accept this is a controversial topic, but we go where perhaps other people will. not a story has been going around in my head for a few days now. a doctor, well, he's an ex doctor i've got to say, uh, doctor now. i've got to say, uh, this in the news a few days this was in the news a few days ago. he had. i'll spare you the details. it is indeed tea time. he had some of most serious he had some of the most serious category, images of child category, uh, images of child

abuse computer. as abuse on his computer. as i said, i won't go through all the details given time of day. details given the time of day. uh, tried to essentially uh, he tried to essentially go and online. that and meet a child online. that was undercover copper. and was an undercover copper. and i can tell you, a grim can tell you, it's a really grim story. it's just story. anyway it's not just about him, because there are so many people like this out there. the more and i the more and more and more i think it, more that think about it, the more that i feel quite passionately . i must feel quite passionately. i must confess a confess that if you are a convicted paedophile, then you should be mandated for chemical castration to try and remove the edges , which would even make you edges, which would even make you think it is vaguely acceptable to be viewing images of child abuse in the first place. kelvin mackenzie , where are you on this mackenzie, where are you on this topic ? topic? >> well, i certainly am in favour of people being offered the choice right ? i, favour of people being offered the choice right? i, i just wonder which is what happens how. >> now. >> i just wonder whether actually, um , making it as part actually, um, making it as part of the sentence won't simply clog up our legal system even more than it is right now .

more than it is right now. >> look, i would love that to happen. >> look, i would love that to happen . and it's a good job you happen. and it's a good job you didn't read out what this guy was watching, because i, you know, your audience would probably collapse and it's horrendous . horrendous. >> it is sickening. and this it does seem to be a lot of it about. >> and it does seem to be caused by social media. the ability to be able to access rather than people when they see it. ah so revolted that they never look again. actually, bizarrely , it again. actually, bizarrely, it seems to encourage people to get involved. i i, ijust am seems to encourage people to get involved. i i, i just am fearful that if we have state mandated chemical castration , i the chemical castration, i the appeals court will simply clog up and come to an end. personally, i wouldn't mind it if it could be done easily. i'm not sure that it's going to be tom. >> look, it is before the watershed. so, you know, we can't talk about it and it is abhorrent and sickening. and in part, you know, part, michel, you know, i understand kind of visceral

understand the kind of visceral reaction , like lot of reaction, like in a lot of people and particularly, you know, often have to know, parents who often have to deal sometimes with sexual predators in their community, you know, have to deal with this. it is absolutely abhorrent . and there are about 20,000 people actually convicted a year , uh, for sexual offences against children. but i have to say, i can't agree with the idea of mandated. why not chemical castrating for the simple reason that i think actually, calvin, your indicates this. where where doesit your indicates this. where where does it end in the sense of the state that depriving people of their basic biological functions who may, by the way, in 4% of cases is , um, actually turns out cases is, um, actually turns out that wrongful convictions. so what happens then? this is an irreversible process. >> it's not chemical castration is not irreversible. it lasts for as long as the treatment is being, um, administered. so it can be reversed. well, let me give you this. >> and of course, it didn't relate to paedophilia, but famously, alan turing , you know, famously, alan turing, you know, the great bletchley park code

breaker who was chemically castrated in the 1950s because he took that as to avoid imprisonment. um because in those days it was a criminal offence to be a homosexual . the offence to be a homosexual. the fact is, it absolutely ruined his life. i mean, not just in terms of the social stigma at the time that was attached to that, but, you know , he took his that, but, you know, he took his life and in part is because of the said the coroner the doctors said the coroner said because of the chemical castration. but what i'm saying to you is there will be miscarriages of justice. is this really where we want to go as a civilised society, taking that kind sanctioned medical intervention? >> what i would say to this is, um, there are a number of people in our society. they're not part of a civilised society. they are disgusting , despicable human disgusting, despicable human beings . and they lock them up to beings. and they lock them up to think that they are, that they can browse this content on their internet, their phones or wherever it is for their own gratification. and the fact of the matter is what they are looking at when they look at this content is a child that has

been severely abused, that will have lifelong , lasting damage. have lifelong, lasting damage. because of that , it is because of that, it is absolutely despicable . absolutely despicable. disgusting. i felt sick when i saw that that doctor had not beenin saw that that doctor had not been in prison. it literally sickens me to the bottom of my stomach. he and everyone like him should get rounded up. if you are caught viewing. and i just want to make a point before i go to the break, there is no such thing as child porn. it does not exist. it there is only child abuse. and if you look at that content, what you are viewing is a crime scene. it is as simple as that. and if you have those edges, those edges must removed by the states must be removed by the states and by force. i'm sorry , but by and by force. i'm sorry, but by force necessary . and by force. i'm sorry, but by force necessary. i am force if necessary. i am convinced that many of you will disagree, and i'm sure you will not be backwards in telling me why. get in touch all the usual ways. vaiews@gbnews.com. after the break, i want talk to the break, i want to talk to you. slight change gear. you. a slight change of gear. i want to you about want to talk to you about shoplifting. seen the shoplifting. have you seen the robot installed in robot that's been installed in the booze aisle of morrisons? i absolutely love it. it's

apparently going to stop. shoplifters will it? or is it just breaching our

hi there, i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00. the former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie, alongside me, as is the visiting professor of staffordshire university, tom buick . welcome back everybody. buick. welcome back everybody. i just briefly say someone just want to briefly say someone called alex. a viewer called alex has been in touch. you've just told me something the just told me something over the email in relation to your nine year old grand what year old grand son and what experience he's currently having at can you try at school. please can you try and touch with me and get back in touch with me because i'd love to see whether or not we can do something to perhaps but want perhaps help. but look, i want to about to talk now about about shoplifting, morrison's to talk now about about sh0|been g, morrison's to talk now about about sh0|been g, of morrison's to talk now about about sh0|been g, of makingl's has been accused of making shoppers apparently feel like criminals . shoppers apparently feel like criminals. i'm going to try and bfing criminals. i'm going to try and bring this up on the screen. i think it's absolutely fabulous. this uh, you know, we all know by now, don't we, that shoplifting going the shoplifting is going through the roof. you do about it

roof. so what do you do about it then? well, in morrisons now they've this unit. it's got they've got this unit. it's got 360 um, cameras. if 360 degree, um, cameras. if you're listening and not watching. basically like a watching. it's basically like a small cameras on the small tower with cameras on the side of it. if it sees someone shoplifting, it blasts out a siren. i think it's wonderful, tom. but people are saying that this is a breach of privacy. where are you? >> well, it's a robotic wheelie bin that's going to travel. travel around the store with you. i mean, you're already aware, you go aware, aren't you? and you go out to the shops or down to the town centre in the high street that we live a surveillance that we live in a surveillance society. that's just a reality of everywhere. of cctv being everywhere. so that's the story that's not really the story here. think the story is when here. i think the story is when you out the shops, do you you go out to the shops, do you want to reminded, kid, want to be reminded, kid, constantly, that you in quotes could a criminal. and any could be a criminal. and in any case, it's absolutely ineffective. case, it's absolutely ineffe screech case, it's absolutely ineffescreech very loud sound does screech a very loud sound at but it doesn't apprehend at you, but it doesn't apprehend the shoplifter . it doesn't call the shoplifter. it doesn't call the shoplifter. it doesn't call the police. it you know, it does none of that. so i just think it's a gimmick, quite frankly. >> do you think it's a >> do you do you think it's a gimmick? calvin mackenzie well,

they morrison's they obviously morrison's obviously will obviously believe that it will deter some people or will capture some video. capture some on video. >> and therefore the private prosecution can then take place , prosecution can then take place, which increasingly which is actually increasingly the that shoplifters will the way that shoplifters will will be apprehended . uh, it must will be apprehended. uh, it must be a terrible moment to be a member of staff of a major supermarket right now. never knowing whether they will be asked or have to apprehend some piece of filth that has stolen from without the 800th time. the truth about the matter, as long as they hand the stuff back before they leave the store, they don't don't get they don't get. they don't get done shoplifting when done for the shoplifting when they're so i'm in favour they're seen. so i'm in favour of anything which will which will actually make life more difficult for the shoplifter. and i personally don't care that there could be a million cameras in my local morrisons or my local waitrose , and i wouldn't local waitrose, and i wouldn't mind at all. i am not trying to steal anything if it puts somebody off. i'm in favour of it. >> um, you see you guys, uh, stephen saying i love the shoplifting robot. >> no one can claim discrimination because it's a

robot treating everybody dodi equally. um, john says michelle, keep up. shoplifting is done by gangs. now. he says how on earth would a robot prevent gangs of people rushing in and helping themselves to whatever it is that feel like they fancy? that they feel like they fancy? quite you've quite frankly, i think you've got point there, john. got a good point there, john. uh, stephen says, how long are we going to give it? uh, until the bright tries to the next bright spark tries to steal gadget. what on steal this new gadget. what on earth you with one of earth would you do with one of those? john michelle, those? um john says michelle, i and computers can go wrong. we've this now we've all experienced this now because of horizon system . because of the horizon system. yeah, but can you imagine , like, yeah, but can you imagine, like, if it was just if you were somebody that thinks that you can actually go around nicking stuff off the shelf and you were shamed in this way, if that siren went off at you, i just think it's really good. i think maybe i'm bit harsh. maybe i'm a bit harsh. >> i take one of the good things i really with it is why don't i really do with it is why don't they stick it online, right? i really do with it is why don't they stick idon't ne, right? i really do with it is why don't they stick idon't they ght? i really do with it is why don't they stick idon't they just stream why? why don't they just stream it? anybody who gets it? so anybody, anybody who gets caught, , nicking bottle caught, um, uh, nicking a bottle of whatever it is, vodka or gin or whatever, the next thing, they thing they all

they next thing they know, all their neighbours looking at them. >> exactly. and then the next thing, calvin, we live in basically china basically authority in china where social credit where you've got social credit systems, where the state tells you, much you can you, you know, how much you can spend, and if spend, at what point. and if you've coronavirus, you've you've got coronavirus, you've got to extrapolating the argument. no, i mean, it's absolutely dystopian nightmare. >> . it really is >> it really is. it really is thieves. and they deserve to be exposed. >> look i'm not morrisons have got pictures of people who are stealing stuff . stealing stuff. >> stick it online and then we can all find out and then we can start putting, oh, it's tom isn't it? at number 28. fantastic good evening's fantastic a good evening's entertainment. >> lots of people are indeed >> um, lots of people are indeed in being worried in your camp. are being worried about you know, the about the, uh, you know, the slippery slope and the privacy breach the rest of it. breach and all the rest of it. but cctv, it serves really but cctv, it serves a really good your good purpose. if one of your loved ones was murdered in the street anything, i'm sure street or anything, i'm sure you would the cctv to be would want the cctv. cctv to be leveraged to try and catch the perpetrators. yeah, i think perpetrators. yeah, but i think the speak tonight. the point here i speak tonight. i home. i need to go home. >> no, look, but the point about cctv it's passive cctv is it's passive surveillance. about surveillance. the point about this, whether you're guilty or

innocent, it's following you around. not looking around. morrison's not looking for right? for the a bloomer to buy, right? for bread go home with. for your bread to go home with. and it's potentially. and i had this actually the other day where i actually paid for a new shirt. i won't say which superstore it was it wasn't superstore it was at. it wasn't morrison's. um, and you know, just the usual, uh, security alarm went off. why? because the dozy assistant had dozy retail assistant had forgotten to take the thing off, and felt like a criminal, even and i felt like a criminal, even though receipt saying though i had the receipt saying i it. but, you see, i paid for it. but, you see, under scheme, my under my scheme, under my scheme, you'd be watching yourself on on youtube. well, that's all about. that's what it's all about. entertainment. the law. >> to kelvin mackenzie entertainment. the law. >can to kelvin mackenzie entertainment. the law. >can imaginezlvin mackenzie entertainment. the law. >can imagine that,viackenzie entertainment. the law. >can imagine that, uh,

your company, kelvin. thank you as well for yours. uh, always at home. you're very welcome. thank you . but up next home. you're very welcome. thank you. but up next is home. you're very welcome. thank you . but up next is nigel home. you're very welcome. thank you. but up next is nigel farage nanites. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good evening . welcome to your >> good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather update with me, annie shuttleworth from the met office . tomorrow will be the met office. tomorrow will be a cloudy day for many of us. however, where it has been gloomy in recent days across much of scotland, we'll see a chance sunshine , high chance of more sunshine, high pressures charge across the pressures in charge across the uk and as a result it's staying dry for the bulk of the country through the rest the week. through the rest of the week. we've quite a lot of cloud we've got quite a lot of cloud though, coming in off the east coast this evening, coast through this evening, spreading of wales spreading across much of wales into england, southern into northern england, southern scotland , even eastern scotland, even parts of eastern northern ireland. seeing some of that cloud it will be that low cloud so it will be milder where the cloud cover persists. however, where do persists. however, where we do see clear spells across see the clear spells across scotland, northern ireland, it's going cold and frosty going to be a cold and frosty start tomorrow. we could be down

as low minus eight. however as low as minus eight. however as low as minus eight. however as i there will be more as i said there will be more sunshine lasting sunshine in these areas lasting through much the day. further through much of the day. further south though, the cloud will unger south though, the cloud will linger many areas, we could linger for many areas, we could see sunny spells coming see some sunny spells coming through parts wales through across parts of wales and parts of the southwest by the afternoon, but in general it will be a little bit of a cloudier day. temperatures around degrees in the around 6 or 7 degrees in the south. that's just below average for year . across the for the time of year. across the north we'll start to see some drizzly rain sinking southwards that sink further that will sink further southwards throughout saturday, that will sink further southwa bringingghout saturday, that will sink further southwa bringing some saturday, that will sink further southwa bringing some hillrrday, that will sink further southwa bringing some hill snow . perhaps bringing some hill snow. but that that we see but it's behind that that we see the cold weather arriving to the north of scotland for saturday afternoon, and it's in the evening when we start to see a risk of some snow showers falling across scotland. but for many of us through sunday it should stay dry bright and a little chilly. you later! >> looks like things are heating up. box spoilers, sponsors of weather on gb news .

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