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and didn't know regarding he did and didn't know regarding the faulty horizon it software at the centre of the debacle . at the centre of the debacle. stephen bradshaw insisted today he wasn't an expert on the system, and he defended comments he made back in 2012 that he had absolute confidence in horizon. while at the same time admitting he did see hundreds of complaints coming in from subpostmasters. he denied allegations of bullying and unprofessional behaviour at the time, saying he also never told any post office worker that they were the only one experiencing issues with the software . the issues with the software. the i'm not technically minded with that. >> i would expect that to come from the people above. if it was an issue, i would expect fujitsu to inform the post office and the full post office to let us know what what the issues are. it given that statement by it was given that statement by cartwright and told to put cartwright king and told to put that statement through. in hindsight , that statement through. in hindsight, after a period in my previous statements , they previous statements, they probably should have been another line stating that these are not words, the are not my words, but the statement is produced as a
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business statement . business statement. >> it stephen bradshaw , speaking >> it stephen bradshaw, speaking today at the post office inquiry . well, in the united states, protesters have been calling for donald trump to be jailed . and donald trump to be jailed. and as arguments are heard as closing arguments are heard in his new york civil fraud trial, if you're watching on tv a few flashing images coming up outside people outside the courthouse, people held up showing the former held up signs showing the former president behind bars. the state seeking nearly $350 million in penalties after the trump organisation was found to have inflated its net worth to banks . inflated its net worth to banks. the judge previously ruled that mr . trump the judge previously ruled that mr. trump shouldn't be the judge previously ruled that mr . trump shouldn't be allowed mr. trump shouldn't be allowed to make his own statement in court after he refused to agree to limits on what he would be and what he wouldn't be allowed to say. but speaking outside the courtroom, mr trump accused the white election white house of election interfere he said it is an interfere s he said it is an unconstitutional witch hunt. >> it's election interference at the highest level. it's a disgrace. it's in coordination with the white house and joe biden because he can't win a
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campaign fairly and we're going through it. but it is indeed a terrible witch hunt . we're going terrible witch hunt. we're going to have a news conference a little bit later on, as you know, i want to speak. i want to make the summation at this moment, the judge is not letting me make the summation , because me make the summation, because i'll bring up things that he doesn't to hear and it's a doesn't want to hear and it's a very unfair trial. nobody's seen anything this . anything like this. >> and that news conference, donald trump was referring to there will try and bring you the details that later on this details of that later on this evening news. now in evening here on gb news. now in news at home, the nhs is news here at home, the nhs is failing to hit most of its key performance targets despite the overall waiting list dropping, according data , more than according to new data, more than 355,000 people in england have been waiting over a year to begin hospital treatment. that was in november last year, although that is down from more than 377,000 at the end of october. but more than 11,000 people in england have been waiting over 18 months to start treatment . today the government treatment. today the government announced plans for a new major
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nuclear power station planned to be as big as both hinkley point and sizewell. it's in a bid to strengthen the uk's energy security and ultimately lower electricity bills. £300 million will also be invested. the government says, in producing fuel to power the reactors, removing dependence on russian suppues. removing dependence on russian supplies . the removing dependence on russian supplies. the prime minister has confirmed he won't be attending the world economic forum in davos next week, sending senior ministers instead , said the us ministers instead, said the us secretary of state, antony blinken. the french president, emmanuel macron and the european commission president ursula von der leyen will all be there . but der leyen will all be there. but the government says its priorities will be championing british growth sectors and promoting business investing at the 54th world economic forum begins in the swiss ski resort next tuesday against what's likely to be the most complicated global political backdrop in its history . and backdrop in its history. and lastly, a disruptive arctic snow
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blast is set to hit britain next week. the met office, warning of a northerly airflow delivering extreme cold and snow showers from sunday. that means travel plans could once again be affected and the rac motoring organisation has been warning drivers to prepare emergency survival kits in case of a breakdown in their car. meanwhile, the government's cold health alert remains in place, warning of the severe weather's potential to have a significant impact on vulnerable people . impact on vulnerable people. that's the news on gb news across the uk on tv and on your digital radio, as well as your smart speaker. this is britain's news channel . news channel. >> good evening . you know, every >> good evening. you know, every day that goes by with this honzon day that goes by with this horizon scandal and what happened to subpostmasters and mistresses up and down this country. every day goes by, country. every day that goes by, this gets worse . worse. this just gets worse. worse. because what we've learned
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overnight is an horrendous culture that existed within the post office where inside in investigation teams were on bonuses for the money they could reclaim from the subpostmasters . reclaim from the subpostmasters. and the way it operated with this chap , and the way it operated with this chap, gary thomas in charge, who some say acted like a mafia gangster. but we finished up with thousands. i don't know how many. perhaps two and a half to 3000 of these folk out there paying back money to the post office that they never owed the post office. in the first place. the investigatory teams getting their bonuses, but people doing it to avoid criminal prosecution as i say with each day that goes past, it gets worse. and frankly , it gets worse. and frankly, it almost looks like some form of extortion racket to me. it is a disgrace. but it has been a good week. it's been a good week. but this, this, this story really has caught the public mood in the most extraordinary way. it's
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the most extraordinary way. it's the little guy against the giant global corporates . that's how it global corporates. that's how it looks. that's how it feels. and the government has moved well , the government has moved well, i'm very pleased to say that this evening i'm joined by patrick green, kc barrister at henderson chambers, who secured victory . for 550 subpostmasters victory. for 550 subpostmasters in the post office group litigation and this was achieved back in 2019. yeah patrick, i think that's right. back in 2019. yeah patrick, i think that's right . an epic think that's right. an epic battle . battle. >> it was a massive battle. yeah, it was unbelievable . bbl yeah, it was unbelievable. bbl uh huge . we felt that we were uh huge. we felt that we were completely outgunned because post office effectively had an unlimited budget and we really didn't . didn't. >> yeah, but you got there . you woi'i. >> won. >> yeah. we had it was phantom tastic victories in. all in all, the judges points. and then we had to make the best settlement that we could because we, we repeatedly run out of money. although post office didn't know that. and, uh, we'd had to that. yeah. and, uh, we'd had to get litigation funding because we had to make sure that there was no risk to the postmasters if we lost. yeah. and that they
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would all be litigating completely for free. >> so vindication for 550 souls and their immediate families and friends and of course, their standing in their own communities and all of those things. but as you say, financially , you know, the financially, you know, the compensation once it was divided up amongst 550 people, was peanuts. so with what the government have said , yeah, in government have said, yeah, in the last 72 hours, these people are now going to get fair compensation. yeah. that seems to be the plan. >> i mean, what they've announced is a £75,000 upfront payment for each of the 555 of my clients. yep. and i think what's implied is they will then look at those cases in which further compensation is due up to a package of 600,000, depending on circumstances. we will see the detail. i just want to see the actual detail. i'm sorry to be careful about it, but after all these years, i think you've got every right to be because it does seem to me that it's all well and good. >> the minister getting up in
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the house of commons and saying these things, but many of those people that you defended are becoming quite aren't they? >> yeah. and there's quite a large of them who've died large number of them who've died already real already without seeing real justice. in a way it's very justice. and in a way it's very sad that they didn't get to see the itv docudrama the and the public's reaction to it, which speaks not only to their their decency, the decency of my clients, which was totally apparent to us as a council team when we were doing the case. but also, i think, touches on the sort of british sense as a nafion sort of british sense as a nation of fairness and decency , nation of fairness and decency, which i think is has underpinned the national outcry that is a reaction to this tv series. >> absolutely. the great british pubuc >> absolutely. the great british public are very, very fair minded people that there is no question whatsoever . but of question whatsoever. but of course, i mentioned at the top there we don't quite know the number, but it looks like two and a half to 3000. well subpostmasters paid money back that in the vast majority of cases they didn't need to pay back, but they were too scared .
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back, but they were too scared. yeah. of being taken to court. oh well , i yeah. of being taken to court. oh well, i mean they yeah. of being taken to court. oh well , i mean they were oh well, i mean they were massively intimidated. >> and indeed in the litigation, one of the things we pleaded was that they were put under economic duress. so that's absolutely right . but just economic duress. so that's absolutely right. but just in terms of numbers, nigel, i think it could be more really. yeah. because i think from memory we had 555 clients, claimants . and had 555 clients, claimants. and of those i think only 69 had been convicted . right, right. so been convicted. right, right. so if you do the do the maths , oh gosh. >> it could be an enormous number. >> it could be about ten times 5500. yeah. i'm going to say something 4 to 5, 4 to 5000. not impossible. well some of those may have smaller smaller losses. yeah but you know being forced to cash in your isa. yeah. you know, and stuff that money into the till when you've done nothing wrong. >> but i kind of get it. i mean, if they're saying give us 20 grand or we'll take you to court, you probably think i can't face the public humiliation of this. >> worse than actually
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>> it's worse than actually because normal? normal because what normal? a normal company had to do is company would have had to do is say, nigel, going to say, right, nigel, i'm going to sue the county court or sue you in the county court or the court. it'll be a civil the high court. it'll be a civil case. either win or you case. you'll either win or you lose. lose, you know, you lose. if you lose, you know, you just have to pay the money and some costs. not some costs. you're not terrified. didn't terrified. no. they didn't do that. they used their prosecutorial powers. say, nigel, i'm prosecuting for theft. you're like, well, i've never stolen anything. and then you get you're obviously terrified go to terrified you're going to go to jail because you steal from jail because if you steal from your is your employer, which is analogous to this, you to analogous to this, you go to jail. on the door of jail. and then on the door of the would say, ah, the court, they would say, ah, well, if you if you well, actually, if you if you admit false accounting, you won't to jail. so these won't go to jail. so these people were like completely terrified, like the american prosecutor. >> there's a system you >> there's a system where you almost have plead guilty to almost have to plead guilty to something. was, you know, something. it was, you know, it's no horrible, heartbreaking when you talk to the actual people who were forced into that position, you knew some of the intimidatory that intimidatory tactics that were being were aware of being used. were you aware of this bonus culture that existed? no. mean, this is this is no. i mean, this is this is a very story. that's broken. very new story. that's broken. yeah, yeah. >> you know, we there's
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>> and we you know, we there's quite a lot of information that one would have thought would be disclosable and the group litigation. which we litigation. yeah. which we didn't see at the time, which i've been watching come out since worse by the day. since it gets worse by the day. >> yeah. what would you final thought and thank you thought patrick. and thank you for in. what what for coming in. what would what would to see happen next? >> i would like to see the i mean, i actually do agree with this proposed legislation on to cancel all the convictions. i know it's controversial , but the know it's controversial, but the thing people are missing on that is that the parliament would not be going against the courts and i'm sure that's been cleared with lord chief justice, parliament's actually going with the grain of what all the judges and courts are now saying. so i don't see the real constitutional sensitivity so early legislation to cancel the convictions , number one, and convictions, number one, and swift payment not only to my clients, but also in in the scheme that we agreed the post office would set up for everyone else. >> that's going to be the sticky bit in my opinion, but i hope you're right. patrick, thank you
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for coming in a great pleasure and great work. thank you. great work. well thank you. in work. well done. thank you. in a moment we'll have a look at the british economy. we're always told open door immigration told that open door immigration is our gdp and is really good for our gdp and really for our economy. really good for our economy. well, somebody who well, today, today, somebody who was biggest was one of the biggest employment owners employment agency owners in the country actually it's country says actually it's proving a little bit of proving to be a little bit of a disaster back with you in a couple of minutes
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, you know, my employees come to me and say, oh , i've just had me and say, oh, i've just had this rather nasty shock from . this rather nasty shock from. let's discuss immigration, whether it's been a good thing or a bad thing for the uk and what's happening. >> post brexit to our balance of trade with europe and rest trade with europe and the rest of world. to begin with, of the world. to begin with, immigration now , a man called immigration now, a man called philip ullmann a piece philip ullmann wrote a piece in the of the the business pages of the telegraph morning. he telegraph this morning. he describes himself as a former chief one of the chief executive of one of the country's employment country's largest employment agencies . i country's largest employment agencies. i had over country's largest employment agencies . i had over 100,000 agencies. i had over 100,000 people working for me every yean people working for me every year, the majority of which came
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from eu expansion countries , and from eu expansion countries, and he says there is this narrative that we have to have a continual stream of people coming into our country. it's good for gdp . we country. it's good for gdp. we have an ageing population . we have an ageing population. we couldn't possibly cope . the couldn't possibly cope. the brits are all too thick and lazy and fat and useless to work and that's the justification that we get and that it's really good for the economy. and you will hear that everywhere . but philip hear that everywhere. but philip pullman says the results are clear . pullman says the results are clear. immigration has been dangerously harming our economy and the point he's making are that gdp per capita has not gone up of course, gdp goes up. the economy is bigger because there are more people in it, but our productivity has fallen so much. we're now considerably below that of france . and he makes the that of france. and he makes the point that actually there's been a race to the bottom over these last 20 years. and that the idea that now a family of four could be supported on one income is,
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frankly, for the birds, for millions and millions of people . millions and millions of people. i'd hope with brexit that we would genuinely start to change this culture around . we get this culture around. we get manifesto commitments to do it, but it never, ever happens. now i'm joined by stephen hunsaker, researcher at uk, in a changing europe, and stephen, whether it's immigration, whether it's trade, we're dealing with a post—brexit britain . and i post—brexit britain. and i mentioned already that i'd hope numbers would come down and we'd upskill. and it hasn't happened yet . i'd also upskill. and it hasn't happened yet. i'd also hope that upskill. and it hasn't happened yet . i'd also hope that with yet. i'd also hope that with trade that we would start to do more trade around the rest of the world. your figures out today suggest we're not really doing that. that's correct. >> it's actually quite interesting to see is that as a total share of uk trade , the eu total share of uk trade, the eu makes up now more than it did all the way going back till 20. 2008 actually. and so that's quite a surprising number. and
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we look at that. that sounds on the surface like that saying that trade with the eu has been going up when in reality actually it's that trade with non—eu countries has been going down . um, and so what down recently. um, and so what that is, is this is something that, uh, both sides were kind of wrong about. we we had a lot of wrong about. we we had a lot of economists that were saying that there was going to be a cliff edge, that brexit was going to cause trade with the eu to, you know, just fall off and was going to damage the uk economy. and the other side was saying that, well, is saying that, well, brexit is going allow us to boost trade going to allow us to boost trade with our non—uk partners . and with our non—uk partners. and see new growth and expansion and pretty much what these results show is, is that neither side were right. we're seeing stability, if not stagnation, with the eu, but then we're not seeing that growth happen with non—eu countries. >> despite the fact we've signed a series new trade a whole series of new trade deals. inherited some deals. we've we inherited some from the european union but signed some of our own know.
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it's funny, this, isn't it? i mean, on the one hand, it's good news, as you say, because our trade with europe has not really been damaged all. i mean, been damaged at all. i mean, people want our goods or we want theirs, and we on theirs, and we go on doing business, bad news business, but it is bad news because i've always taken the view that, yes, european view that, yes, the european markets and that's markets next door. and that's helpful ways . but in helpful in many ways. but in terms of global gdp, in terms of the global pie, it's about 15% of the world. it'll be 10% of the world in five years time. and it's the new markets where the growth is so what is it? what do you think we're getting wrong here? i think that for one, the that the government has really focussed on these trade deals being pr successes quickly get them out, make sure that they look like really good deals. >> but the problem is, is that they're not looking hard enough at the substance at many of these these trade deals, for one in uh, are maybe being over promised that they're going to have immediate impacts or they're immediately they're going to immediately benefit. take time. this benefit. these take time. this
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is there's a uk is imagine if there's a uk business that trading a lot business that is trading a lot with germany, but all of a sudden hears that australia opens up. they're going to start maybe looking into building those trade relations with them. but time to build but that takes time to build that, to find a clientele and everything. so they're not everything. and so they're not going see immediate results going to see immediate results and that, i think is and to promise that, i think is misleading the public. >> well, that's cool. politics yes, but . >> well, that's cool. politics yes, but. isn't >> well, that's cool. politics yes, but . isn't the truth a bit. yes, but. isn't the truth a bit. also, whether you have a trade deal or not, you know, there are many profitable trading relationships even where there's tariff involved. true. if tariff involved. that's true. if you've product that you've got a product that somebody at a price somebody wants to buy at a price they is acceptable , they think is acceptable, they'll they will buy anyway. they'll they will buy it anyway. clearly the clearly we're not making the right . right products. >> well, i think we need to look at where strengths are. the at where our strengths are. the thing is that the uk of the thing is, is that the uk of the 80s is not the uk now , as far as 80s is not the uk now, as far as what was the big things, if we look at the research that we've done at uk in a changing europe survey , pcs are one of the
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survey, pcs are one of the biggest strengths. the numbers are actually looking really good with the uk, with services they've been, it's been very resilient and has been really going been kind of going up and has been kind of keeping trade um and so keeping our trade up. um and so i what it needs to look at i think what it needs to look at is, is that we need to look at services being insurance products like that financial. yes, exactly. as much yes, exactly. it's not as much the that product the construction of that product as it is the selling of the services . the software's the services. the software's the consulting, those other governments. we have a lot of expertise . we have a lot of knowledge. >> we're good at legal services. exactly we provide a lot of medical services now . there are medical services now. there are many things we're good at. but what about manufacturing? because we keep hearing the story british manufacture story that british manufacture is better than we is doing rather better than we think that is. >> that is a difficult one. and i think that's one that it there's a lot of factors that are going into it that makes it hard to say where for one is, is that within manufacture saying we need to look to the future and where that is, is that regardless of what party it is,
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a lot is going towards green manufacturing, whether it's for our country or for another country . and so looking at how country. and so looking at how we can be competitive within this , uh, new sector , somewhat this, uh, new sector, somewhat new sector. but, you know, this very booming sector is where is a place that the uk can set itself out and differentiate and start instead of trying to just simply copy what other countries the uk can't compete with the us or it's, you know, it's new subsidies on many of those things. it needs to find areas where it has strengths or where it could very easily have strengths and use what it like. it's, uh, i suppose i could counter that by saying what we could produce a more, could do is produce a lot more, a more oil and gas and a lot more oil and gas and export it, which would run counter to that narrative. >> trade is still trade. >> but trade is still trade. steven, thank for coming steven, thank you for coming in. it's it's a it's a it's as i say, it's a it's a good news story and it's a bad news it is the good news news story. it is the good news story folks, is there was no cliff edge. brexit has not led to catastrophic fall in to a catastrophic fall in business european business with the european union. frankly union. it frankly was never going to. the disappointment is
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we're more advantage we're not taking more advantage of our potential on the world stage, but that lot of that, a stage, but that a lot of that, a lot of that isn't about politics. a lot of that is about the products we are manufacturing are being manufacturing that are not being bought the numbers that our bought in, the numbers that our economy needs . now, we've economy needs. now, we've heard again today that for the first time in 70 years, there's going to be a big expansion of our nuclear power industry, something , of course, that is something, of course, that is beginning to become a strong majority view, particularly those worried about co2 and climate change. the only way we can produce baseload energy with zero carbon emissions. but is this really a big change or did we hear it all before with boris johnson? and to date, not much happened. all of that in just a moment. plus sadiq khan giving a big speech at mansion house. i'll
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electricity going to come from ? electricity going to come from? from our, our evs and everything else. and it's all well and good to build wind turbines, but sometimes the wind doesn't blow. i've always been an advocate for nuclear power. there is no other way to get base load reliable, consistent energy without huge carbon dioxide emissions. and it seems there is a change going on right across the western world. opinion polls from america to europe show there is now are now quite firm majorities saying we have to expand our nuclear industries, but it's something we've been talking about for years . and whilst things are years. and whilst things are happening down at hinkley point, albeit with chinese money down in the west country , you know, in the west country, you know, it was boris johnson that said, we're going to build eight new nuclear power stations. and now today the government tell us they're going to build three, yet it's still sold as the biggest increase in nuclear power in britain for 70 years. what does it all mean? well malcolm grimston comes on this show and informs us, as former
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information officer at the nuclear industry association and now a research fellow at imperial college. malcolm, do you understand my slight cynicism about this? because i, you know, i hear on the news this morning, you know, i hear on the news this morning , the biggest this morning, the biggest increase in 70 years, but it's not even as big as boris promised. >> no, i mean, the interesting thing is, if you look at the uranium price, it has been going through the roof recently globally, which is an indication , there's , as you say, that there's a real reassessment of nuclear globally . globally. >> and britain would be crazy to be left out of that. we were the crucible power in crucible of new nuclear power in the 1960s. so that's a the in the 1960s. so that's a good news. but even going back to thatcher years, to the early thatcher years, there sense of ten new there was a sense of ten new nuclear stations. we ended up just with b from that. nuclear stations. we ended up just it's] b from that. nuclear stations. we ended up just it's about b from that. nuclear stations. we ended up just it's about the b from that. and it's about the practicalities. these are very good words and good words are brilliant. we have brilliant. yes, but next we have to a proper funding to get a proper funding mechanism and a way dealing mechanism and a way of dealing with overregulation. if they with the overregulation. if they can be cracked, then it could be full ahead. full steam ahead. >> funded hinkley point, but >> we funded hinkley point, but it's the chinese state funding it's the chinese state funding it which gives people huge
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concerns about national security , etc. yes. >> i mean, there was some chinese investment in hinkley. it mainly the french, uh, it was mainly the french, uh, but that particular scheme, it's a that nuclear a matter that nuclear stations being expensive build and being so expensive to build and the risk the economic risk is right at the front of the project if it overruns on time and cost, then the overall effect is there. and understandably private firms, which tend to have rather short terms horizons, are nervous about that . with the gas fired about that. with the gas fired station, most of the price is the gas. if the gas shoots up, then somebody's just going to pay then somebody's just going to pay for it. >> now we keep hearing these stories about the rolls—royce small modular nuclear power stations are any of those up and running around the world yet? um, now have one um, the chinese now have one running their head in the technology. >> but the states, the canadians, europeans, and canadians, the europeans, and over looking at over here with looking at the rolls certainly rolls royce, it is certainly catching on. not an ideal catching on. it's not an ideal solution here. there will still be a place for big nuclear stations grids producing stations within grids producing baseload, as you talk about. but this actually this extra thing and actually the submarine that the submarine reactors that we're in the are we're building in the 50s are
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small reactors. small modular reactors. >> exactly what they >> i don't exactly what they are. and without them, our submarine fleet be able submarine fleet wouldn't be able to thought i heard to exist. last thought i heard some this week about some stories this week about uranium enrichment that's going to start to happen in this country because there isn't much access to these products unless it comes from russia or somewhere like that. are we have we made a decision to get back to the 50s and 60s and to be in the vanguard of all of this? well, i hope so. >> we have we have that urenco capenhurst in cheshire been enriching uranium for many, many years. issue years. but there is an issue that lot of the nuclear fuel that a lot of the nuclear fuel in europe coming from russia. that a lot of the nuclear fuel in e|thee coming from russia. that a lot of the nuclear fuel in e|the geopolitics from russia. that a lot of the nuclear fuel in e|the geopolitics being russia. that a lot of the nuclear fuel in e|the geopolitics being as;sia. that a lot of the nuclear fuel in e|the geopolitics being as ita. and the geopolitics being as it is, and just general security of supply. £300 supply. i think that's £300 million announced to million have been announced to go into fuel fabrication because, of course, being the first into the thing, we were the into all of these the first into all of these technologies . we've now fallen technologies. we've now fallen a bit behind as other people have taken. >> we rather good at it. we >> we were rather good at it. we were extremely good. i'd like us to good at it again. malcolm, to be good at it again. malcolm, thank coming in and thank you for coming in and bringing up to speed on what bringing us up to speed on what is very important subject. now
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is a very important subject. now we rather important we have some rather important breaking an breaking news now on an escalating in yemen. escalating situation in yemen. joining on the phone our joining us on the phone is our home security editor, mark home and security editor, mark white, us a brief. white, to give us a brief. >> had it confirmed >> we've just had it confirmed that the cabinet is meeting on an, uh, an urgent short notice call this evening. and that that is linked to the ongoing crisis in involving missiles and drones being fired from yemen . uh, the being fired from yemen. uh, the commons speaker, sir lindsay hoyle, has also been called to a cabinet meeting in whitehall. uh, or at least a cabinet office briefing in whitehall this evening . uh, we don't get these evening. uh, we don't get these short notice, uh, cabinet. uh call arounds unless it is an issue of national importance . issue of national importance. this has been telegraphed of course, by the defence secretary , grant shapps, and his counterpart in the us over a number of days. uh, because of what is clearly an escalation
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out of yemen, we had the biggest single attack involving 21 drones and missiles that were fired from yemen on tuesday night, and hms diamond, the type 45 british air defence destroyer , was engaged in that action. it had to shoot seven of those drones down that were heading in the direction of that royal naval vessel, the us of course, as well, with its aircraft carrier, the us . uh, dwight carrier, the us. uh, dwight d eisenhower and supporting ships is out there, took part in the tuesday night action that was . tuesday night action that was. though, a defensive action that took place , uh, to defend took place, uh, to defend shipping and of course, defend those naval vessels out there from attack . what we understand from attack. what we understand now is that we are moving to the next phase, the phase of , uh, next phase, the phase of, uh, some kind of , next phase, the phase of, uh, some kind of, uh, military action strikes again against those houthi rebels in, in
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yemen. and there will be some kind of british involvement in that. >> mark white, thank you for bringing us up to speed. and yes, the cabinet will meet in about ten minutes time. funny, i've been saying a couple of times over the last week, i thought that the story of what was happening in that of was happening in that part of the world not getting enough the world was not getting enough coverage. boy, now coverage. well, boy, it is now a quick what the farage moment sadiq khan getting ready for his big mansion house speech at which he will call for increased levels of immigration. yes he will, and closer relations with the european union. delve into national and international politics. whilst since he became mayor of london, a thousand people have been murdered , many people have been murdered, many of them, of course, by people carrying knives. i would suggest the mayor of london has a wrong set of priorities . now our set of priorities. now our labour going to bring us the nanny state are, we learned overnight that keir starmer is going to tell us, maybe even
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personally as young kids, how we should brush our teeth? here was keir starmer being interviewed by the bbc on the concept of the nanny state. >> i'm absolutely up for that fight, that challenge . um, i'm fight, that challenge. um, i'm here at old hey , uh, a here at old hey, uh, a children's hospital , here at old hey, uh, a children's hospital, and it's very obvious to me they've said it to me. they've got problems with too many obese children , with too many obese children, and they have to treat them . and they have to treat them. it's very bad for the child. it's very bad for the child. it's very bad for the child. it's very expensive for the health service. the idea that the state just says, well, that's none of our business. i just think it's fundamentally wrong . i'd make the same wrong. i'd make the same argument in relation to supervised tooth brushing . i was supervised tooth brushing. i was genuinely shocked to learn that the most common cause of admission for 6 to 10 year olds is decaying teeth, which have to be extracted . that is shocking. be extracted. that is shocking. so don't tell me that it's nanny state to say we're going to do
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something to prevent that. um, thatis something to prevent that. um, that is obviously right for the child. it's obviously right for the nhs . the nhs. >> supervised tooth brushing. goodness gracious me . well, we goodness gracious me. well, we sent our reporter adam cherry out onto the streets of london to see what people thought about that. >> i think you've got to be very careful what keir starmer says. and what he does. is it two different things he said he's going introduce supervised going to introduce supervised tooth brushing schools. tooth brushing in schools. >> you make of that. >> what do you make of that. >> what do you make of that. >> are. >> are. >> well i think it's going to going to take a lot of doing that. like it's clearly a good idea. >> but really is that the thing that we need to be focusing on right now ? right now? >> no. what a foolish man. keir starmer is. what a foolish man. the which are happening the things which are happening in schools today is in the schools today is absolutely disgusting. they're teaching evil . teaching the kids absolute evil. >> teaching children to >> i think teaching children to brush reasonable brush teeth is a reasonable thing learn . i mean, it's not thing to learn. i mean, it's not a major life imposition to be taught how to brush your teeth. i don't think that's. >> no, this is why a lot of pupils are going out of school
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today is the parents are not really, uh , on top of the really, uh, on top of the children. are we also heading towards a nanny state? >> nanny state? you know who we're headed to, young man ? we're headed to, young man? >> tell me, please, you're headed to armed armageddon. >> well, there you are. go out and ask the public. you never know what you're going to get. all i would say is, of course, young kids aged five and six should be taught things like personal at primary personal hygiene at primary school. of course they should, but we don't want it from the government. gov away. leave us alone. we'll make our own decisions our own mistakes decisions and our own mistakes in lives . now flying off in our lives. now i'm flying off to iowa on saturday morning. i want to be there for the first big republic . well, i'm going to big republic. well, i'm going to use the word now caucus. yes, there's caucusing going on in iowa. this is a primary election for who is going to be the candidate for the republican party. well, what is a caucus? how does it all work? well i'm very pleased to say i'm joined down the line right now by tommy piggott, director of strategic communications for the
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republican national committee. tommy thank you very much indeed for joining us. i'm i'm heading forjoining us. i'm i'm heading off for the 20 degrees below weather of iowa . but before weather of iowa. but before i get there and start to try and explain to a british audience the excitement of the day, just tell us what is a caucus ? tell us what is a caucus? >> well, a caucus or caucuses are where voters go to a location or a precinct and they hear from representatives of the different campaigns . usually different campaigns. usually it's a short speech and then they vote for who they want to be.the they vote for who they want to be. the nominee. so instead of going to a location where you would vote, maybe throughout the day, arrive at 7 pm. day, voters arrive at 7 pm. iowa time and they hear from those candidates, and then they make their decision. so it's really about that civic engagement that iowa is so known for america. known for for in america. iowa's known for voters being incredibly involved and wanting to hear directly from candidates. from their candidates. candidates these candidates spending all these months and this is when months in iowa. and this is when that when voters that all pays off, when voters actually that decision. that all pays off, when voters act|and that decision. that all pays off, when voters act|and if that decision. that all pays off, when voters act|and if i that decision. that all pays off, when voters act|and if i was1at decision. that all pays off, when voters act|and if i was at decision. that all pays off, when voters act|and if i was a candidate , you >> and if i was a candidate, you know, would i be going from
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meeting meeting meeting meeting to meeting to meeting all day ? all throughout the day? >> well, these meetings all happen at the same time in terms of you're probably going out and campaigning and seeing voters in different but the iowa different towns, but the iowa caucuses happened the same caucuses happened at the same time board. and time across the board. and voters are expected to arrive on time at those caucuses. so generally, have generally, you have representatives that show up from the campaigns to these different precincts, and it's all that ground game all about that ground game of making campaigns making sure one campaigns have that that that representative at that precinct, you precinct, but also that you bnng precinct, but also that you bring people that are bring up people that are intending to vote for your candidate. you might go candidate. so you might not go to these meetings, to several of these meetings, but are likely but candidates are most likely going be going from town going to be going from town to town making sure they town to town, making sure they get their representatives to those sure those precincts or making sure they voters out to they get their voters out to those caucuses. >> to say. i mean, i'm >> i have to say. i mean, i'm actually quite excited about being in iowa over the course of the next few days. it's a much more system, i think, than more open system, i think, than we have selecting party we have for selecting party leaders. prime minister candidates country . there candidates in our country. there has far between the has been thus far between the candidates , some pretty heated candidates, some pretty heated debate, let's put it like that.
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and it was certainly going on yesterday between nikki haley and ron desantis . um, do these and ron desantis. um, do these caucuses do they stay calm ? is caucuses do they stay calm? is there a sense of order or can it get a bit out of hand? >> well, i'd say they get more out of hand from the democrat side because democrats don't know how to run a caucus. that's why if you, the democratic party is actually changed, how they're running they're running these because they're incompetent they incompetent in terms of how they run them. republican is run them. the republican side is much actually much more competent. we actually are run these caucuses are able to run these caucuses and would enthusiasm is and i would say enthusiasm is the word republican aren't the word republican is aren't afraid we know afraid of debate because we know debate stronger debate makes our ideas stronger and know our ideas win. it's and we know our ideas win. it's and we know our ideas win. it's a democratic party that's changing process, changing their primary process, that's in that's running from iowa in droves. so know, there's droves. so you know, there's going to be these debates. there's this, uh, there's going to be this, uh, you know, and forth in you know, back and forth in primaries. we're all going to come beat joe biden come together and beat joe biden in we're in november. but again, we're not uh, debate. not afraid of, uh, of debate. and would say the word is and i would say the word is enthusiasm. and that starts now officially with iowa. so me, i'm looking seeing the enthusiasm. i suspect it might just enthusiasm. i suovert it might just enthusiasm. i suover between just enthusiasm. i suover between 1ust enthusiasm. i suover between 1 or 2 of bubble over between 1 or 2 of
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the candidates. and thank you for us brief and for for giving us a brief and for joining us, and we will, for that matter, over the course of the few months, fill the next few months, fill you in. absolutely. the in. absolutely. on how the democrats are organising things as moment, it's time as well. in a moment, it's time for time for for talking pines. it's time for a real uplifting story of a man who suffered an horrendous injury, yet has overcome it all and gone on to a paralympic and gone on to win a paralympic gold medal. yep. danny crates joins me in just a moment for talking pints . on patrick talking pints. on patrick christys tonight . christys tonight. >> 9 to 11 with me. mark dolan as keir starmer announces his plans to send the nanny state into overdrive . do we need into overdrive. do we need labour to brush our teeth and wipe our bums? i'll ask daily telegraph columnist allison pearson if those culpable in the post office scandal should face jail. plus an widdecombe exposes the next big miscarriage of justice that no one is talking about. justice that no one is talking about . that's patrick christys about. that's patrick christys tonight with me . mark dolan 9 to tonight with me. mark dolan 9 to 11 on gb news
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>> it's my favourite part of the week . yes, it's time for talking week. yes, it's time for talking pines and i'm joined by essex boy danny crates , paralympic boy danny crates, paralympic gold medallist among many things. danny, welcome to the program. now i said essex boy , program. now i said essex boy, which indeed you are and you've always been a lover of sport . always been a lover of sport. >> yeah, ever since i was a kid. i think. i think like most
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people end up doing sport or professional sport , you first professional sport, you first find sport because you don't sit still very long and you get sent out on the school field quite regularly to go and off regularly to go and burn off a bit energy. and i've always, bit of energy. and i've always, i've always i'm not necessarily followed sport, watch sport, but i've taken football, i've always taken part football, cricket, you cricket, rugby, athletics, you name it. name it, i've done it. >> you are, fit young >> so there you are, fit young man . you're in australia. yeah. man. you're in australia. yeah. on a gap year. very sensible thing to do. i it. i've just thing to do. i get it. i've just come from australia. of come back from australia. of course. i think a few people saw me in the jungle, but no, i mean great place to travel around. wonderful. you're there having an adventure and then disaster happens. >> yeah. i mean i, i was at the luckily i was at the end of my year so i'd done my year year so i'd done my gap year good. um, or as i always say, good. um, so or as i always say, as many years worth of pints as many a years worth of pints between sydney and cairns, the essex version of a gap year. between sydney and cairns, the esse1um,sion of a gap year. between sydney and cairns, the esse1um, ion of a gap year. between sydney and cairns, the esse1um, i literallyjap year. between sydney and cairns, the esse1um, i literally rightaar. between sydney and cairns, the esse1um, i literally right at. but, um, i literally right at the end and, um, just i was doing the very last job before i was and i was was coming home and i was involved a car crash. i was involved in a car crash. i was literally going to the last point to say goodbye to my
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friends, and then was going friends, and then i was going to fly and have this fly home, and you have this horrendous crash, you lose horrendous car crash, you lose an how do feel mentally >> how do you feel mentally after that ? after that? >> think like many people >> um, i think like many people that have been you've been in the scrapes yourself, right. and, and anyone who's been in those environments and hospitals, the safe space. so you're safe when you're in there and you're not really got to think about too much. it's when you come out and obviously i had a family had to fly a short my family had to fly out. this is pre mobile phone pre you know emails. so and pre you know emails. so mum and dad got the phone call at 4:00 in the morning in a horrendous and, had dad had to go and, and then had dad had to go to to get the visas. to london to get the visas. the tickets. then was on tickets. so then i was on a plane, i was at my bedside within 36 hours, but they didn't know what condition in. know what condition i was in. they got told it was a very they just got told it was a very serious accident. yeah. and um, so there and so they, i had them there and then eventually out of then eventually came out of hospital and had about 2 or 3 weeks australia before weeks still in australia before i strong enough fly home. i was strong enough to fly home. um, and it's when got home um, and it's when i got home because obviously i home, because obviously i got home, mum had to go back to mum and dad had to go back to work, just that's when
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work, and you just that's when it hit the hardest. i think it hit home the hardest. i think . and, and i was a rugby player previously and it was just those things started to make me realise not necessarily what i'd lost, but but what i might not be able to do for as i'd done it before. but you keep playing sport, you decide it's not going to you. to stop you. >> i mean, you clearly come out of this still with a positive mental you clearly mental attitude. you clearly decide what's happened to rotten, but i'm going to keep going. >> wu w i mean, i've going. >> i mean, i've always >> yeah. i mean, i've always been, you know, i'm not always positive right. we positive we aren't right. so we have highs, the have the highs, we have the lows, but for me it was always about trying to make something of trying not let it of it and trying not to let it defeat me. rugby was the defeat me. so rugby was the first i went back to my first thing. i went back to my i'm thurrock boy, so i went i'm a thurrock boy, so i went back local rugby club and back to my local rugby club and um, was there that um, and then it was there that was, you know, i've got my friends and family at home and that was my family as well. and they nurtured me i they nurtured me and i was training again. six months they nurtured me and i was traini startjain. six months they nurtured me and i was traini start starting six months they nurtured me and i was traini start starting training. ths after start starting training. so only a year the so it was only a year after the accident, we decided i was going to play again, which is amazing. >> you start to get >> but then you start to get bullied by the paralympic. yeah
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association. called association. and a man called peter ringing you association. and a man called pete ringing ringing you association. and a man called pete ringing you ringing you association. and a man called pete ringing you and1ging you association. and a man called peteringing you and ringing u association. and a man called peteringing you and ringing you, and ringing you and ringing you, and ringing you and ringing you, and in the end you give and and in the end you give in and decide going to become a decide you're going to become a paralympian. competitive are paralympian. how competitive are the well, when he first >> well, see, when he first contacted me because some of the news playing news stories around me playing rugby and it was just on a dreary november day, so it made quite big news. all, all the, all the tabloids had done it and then mainstream news channels had it, had done it. they videoed it, featured and, and featured it and, and, um, and obviously that i used to obviously amongst that i used to be a track and field athlete. right so that had been mentioned and was this guy called and there was this guy called peter who looked after the peter arnot who looked after the amputee he didn't. amputee section, and he didn't. you just a you can't just become a paralympian. very, paralympian. he's very, very high sport. he said , high level sport. but he said, like, come not long like, we've just come not long come back from the atlanta games . and would like to come and . and would you like to come and start squad start training with the squad and it feels? i said, and see how it feels? i said, look, i'll play rugby. we hang upside and drink guinness upside down and drink guinness for do do that for our eyeballs. do you do that at athletics? no. right. i'm staying with rugby just staying with rugby and he just contacted out of the contacted me again out of the blue. day and i was blue. one day and just i was actually around a rugby player friend's and friend's friend's house and my friend's wife my and wife answered my phone and i was
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like, answer it's like, don't answer it, it's peter arnold. and she answered the phone i just said, all the phone and i just said, all right, i'll come meet some the phone and i just said, all right, athletes, meet some the phone and i just said, all right, athletes, becauset some the phone and i just said, all right, athletes, because i'd)me of the athletes, because i'd always perceive the disability sports kind of give it a go. i'd never really seen as it never really seen it as what it was, sport the was, and it was sport to the highest level. i met these athletes and they'd come back from just from atlanta and some had just missed out on medals or getting in finals, and what it in finals, and i saw what it meant him, and suddenly meant to him, and i suddenly realised sport. it was realised it was sport. it was real. that just ignited. real. and that just ignited. there then started that there and then just started that started that i'd never started a journey that i'd never imagined. what journey. imagined. danny what a journey. >> know, in your >> you know, bronze in your first paralympics and the big one. yeah, in your second. let's have a look at this. yeah this is have a look at this. this is the athens medal. >> this was is the gold medal. >> paralympic gold medal. 800m. >> paralympic gold medal. 800m. >> yeah. i made the switch after sydney. i just couldn't quite get um. and sydney. i just couldn't quite gejust um. and sydney. i just couldn't quite gejust wasn't um. and sydney. i just couldn't quite gejust wasn't fitting um. and sydney. i just couldn't quite gejust wasn't fitting . um. and sydney. i just couldn't quite gejust wasn't fitting . son. and sydney. i just couldn't quite gejust wasn't fitting . so it and it just wasn't fitting. so it was all about change for me. it was all about change for me. it was how proud are you of that? massively i it more massively i mean, it was more that what into it and that what went into it and actually what makes me more proud winning the proud is not just winning the medal, but i had like 30 of my
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friends family the friends and family in the stadium and you they stadium and that, you know, they call sacrifice in sport. or call it sacrifice in sport. or when go in something in when you go in for something in life and it's not, it's life choices . for me, life and it's not, it's life choices. for me, i made a choice and my friends backed me all the way and you know, i missed their holidays, births of their kids. >> to dedicated. >> you got to be dedicated. >> you got to be dedicated. >> and wasn't here. >> yeah. and i wasn't here. sometimes. i was away training and, you know, south africa and america australia, to america or australia, we used to train. to the train. but when it came to the big they was there. and big one, they was there. and that's what meant. so much to me that's what meant. so much to me that they they'd been on that journey they never journey with me and they never questioned it. >> there were no shortcuts, though. they all people though. are they all the people that that have succeeded that i know that have succeeded at have worked blue hard? >> fl f no shortcuts in >> there's no shortcuts in anything, if you want to anything, right? if you want to be successful and there is a success end of it, then success at the end of it, then it's never going to be easy right? it's it's always right? it's always. it's always a always going to a journey. it's always going to have highs and its lows. and have its highs and its lows. and i'll mine. i had the i'll have mine. i had the injuries, the setbacks, the doubts. you know, doubts. but you know, you've gone career. gone on media career. >> so celebrity master chef, your boy and now your book danny boy and now a business which goes around and your book danny boy and now a businto; which goes around and your book danny boy and now a businto people goes around and your book danny boy and now a businto people aboutiround and your book danny boy and now a businto people about about and talks to people about about their mindset.
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talks to people about about the yeah.dset. talks to people about about the yeah. sot. talks to people about about the yeah. so alongside being an >> yeah. so alongside being an athlete, i was a speaker as well. i always felt it's important to have something else to mind off. sports to take my mind off. sports sometimes. then so started sometimes. and then so i started the keynote speaking circuit. i've done it for 24 years and that just got bigger and bigger and bigger, and it got to a stage where my coach was, that's great, dan, you can go and speak in malaysia, but there's a training program as long as you do that, can go and speak do that, you can go and speak wherever you want. so that carried on i retired and carried on after i retired and then sort of expanded it then i've sort of expanded it now to working with businesses and within and helping the teams within them what that them understand what that high performance looks performance mindset looks like and we some of the lessons and how we some of the lessons we from sport. but we learned from sport. but they're from they're not all great from sport. the lessons we sport. so some of the lessons we learned from business as well, and are doing it and people that are doing it well, well, i have say, well, well, i have to say, danny, very danny, you're a very inspirational figure. danny, you're a very ins|you ional figure. danny, you're a very ins|you were. igure. danny, you're a very ins|you were. ijure. danny, you're a very ins|you were. i mean, we all we >> you were. i mean, we all we all get some knocks in life, but you had a really big, difficult, nasty one. you've it. nasty one. you've overcome it. been huge success. it's been been a huge success. it's been an pleasure. an absolute pleasure. >> thank to have you on the program. >> it really has. thank you. now we heard a few moments ago from
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that newsflash we'd already we heard a few moments ago from that rbriefed;h we'd already we heard a few moments ago from that rbriefed that we'd already we heard a few moments ago from that rbriefed that therej already we heard a few moments ago from that rbriefed that there was eady been briefed that there was going cabinet meeting going to be a cabinet meeting starting i've been starting at 745. um, i've been in the studio. jacob rees—mogg starting at 745. um, i've been in theen|dio. jacob rees—mogg starting at 745. um, i've been in theen outside)b rees—mogg starting at 745. um, i've been in theen outside the ees—mogg starting at 745. um, i've been in theen outside the studio.>gg starting at 745. um, i've been in theen outside the studio. he has been outside the studio. he will know perhaps more than me, what is going on. >> calling an emergency >> well, calling an emergency cabinet meeting is always a sign that something is going to happen. they are not called just for chit chat and therefore i would assume that there is a plan place and the really plan in place and the uk really has to respond to this escalating problem in the red sea. >> yeah, we can't just have missiles being or drone missiles being sent towards naval vessels. can we? >> we talked about this a night or two ago, that the royal navy has had an historic role of keeping the sea lanes open, of keeping the sea lanes open, of keeping the sea lanes open, of keeping the trade routes open. it is fundamental and acting in concert with the us and interestingly, a un on um, a motion passed at the security council. china abstained and but nonetheless didn't veto . so it nonetheless didn't veto. so it has un backing to tell the houthis to stop doing this. yeah. >> and jacob, we hear that lindsay hoyle perhaps going to
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be recalling parliament tomorrow . yeah. >> well, um, parliament has tended to be recalled, though this is an interesting constitutional point. the job of parliament is to scrutinise the government, not to replace the decision making of the government tonight. and i'm not sure it's been wise in the past to get parliament to give a carte blanche for military action. i think the government should take it under the normal executive prerogative powers, and then report back to parliament, which is what we always used to do . always used to do. >> parliament. so in that >> so the parliament. so in that situation then the cabinet tonight would this. a tonight would debate this. a decision be made , and then decision would be made, and then parliament that parliament can ask how that decision made, and decision was made, was made, and is the right decision. is it the right decision. >> what happened the >> that's what happened with the falklands. force went falklands. the task force went off. parliament off. yes. and parliament was assembled. told what assembled. but to be told what was happening on a saturday, on a saturday, yeah, 18th a saturday, yeah, my 18th birthday was it really of birthday was it really 3rd of april 1982? >> you are, jacob. thank >> there you are, jacob. thank you very much. it was so. i can't forget it, can i? um, yeah. gosh, a long time ago now . yeah. gosh, a long time ago now. now i am heading off to iowa. it is 20 centigrade . it's
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is 20 below centigrade. it's windy. it sounds absolutely awful, but i think the politics of seeing how the republican party do a primary to pick their presidential candidate is going to be really exciting. i'll be live from iowa on monday. please join me then. in between, please have a great end of the week and let's have a look and let's see what the weather has got in store for us. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers . as sponsors of up boxt boilers. as sponsors of weather on gb news . weather on gb news. >> good evening . welcome to your >> good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather update with me, annie shuttleworth from the met office . tomorrow will be the met office. tomorrow will be a cloudy day for many of us. however, where it has been gloomy in recent days across much of we'll see much of scotland, we'll see a chance of more sunshine. high pressure is in charge across the uk and as a result it's staying dry for bulk of the country dry for the bulk of the country through the rest the week. through the rest of the week. we've quite a lot cloud we've got quite a lot of cloud though, coming off the east though, coming in off the east coast this evening, coast through this evening, spreading across of wales
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spreading across much of wales into england, southern into northern england, southern scotland, even parts of eastern northern seeing of northern ireland. seeing some of that it will be that low cloud so it will be milder where the cloud cover persists. however where we do see the spells across see the clear spells across scotland, northern ireland is going a cold and frosty going to be a cold and frosty start tomorrow. could be down start tomorrow. we could be down as low as minus eight, however , as low as minus eight, however, as low as minus eight, however, as i said there will be more sunshine lasting sunshine in these areas lasting through of the further through much of the day. further south though, cloud will south though, the cloud will unger south though, the cloud will linger for many areas, we could see sunny spells coming see some sunny spells coming through of wales through across parts of wales and parts of the southwest by the afternoon, but in general it will be a little bit of a cloudier day. temperatures around 6 or 7 degrees in the south. that's just below average for the time of year across the north will start to see some drizzly rain sinking southwards that further that will sink further southwards throughout saturday, perhaps . perhaps bringing some hill snow. but behind that that we see but it's behind that that we see the cold weather arriving to the north for saturday north of scotland for saturday afternoon, and it's in the evening when we start to see a risk of some snow showers falling across scotland. but for many of us through sunday it should dry bright and a
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sir keir starmer yesterday the labour leader was accused of dog whistling . the prime minister whistling. the prime minister here's what mr starmer, sir keir, had to say. >> doesn't the country deserve so much better than a prime minister who simply does not get britain ? he britain? he >> what was he implying ? i'll be >> what was he implying? i'll be discussing this in a moment. trouble is clearly brewing in the middle east yet again. as houthi rebels strike cargo ships . as if this were tintin book, they would have called it the red sea sharks. however, as we will discuss, the new threat is altogether sinister, will discuss, the new threat is alto�*the er sinister, will discuss, the new threat is alto�*the cabinet sinister, will discuss, the new threat is alto�*the cabinet is sinister, will discuss, the new threat is alto�*the cabinet is meeting as we and the cabinet is meeting as we speak. plus the labour party has said will embrace the nanny said it will embrace the nanny state if elected, embracing nannies pledging to introduce supervised tooth brushing in schools, the labour schools, perhaps the labour party should brush up on its priority now, whose bright idea was this? westminster council is pushing to replace london's historic gas lamps with led replicas in order to meet its 2030 carbon neutral target . 2030 carbon neutral target. yawn. how dim state of the
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