tv Martin Daubney GBN January 12, 2024 3:00pm-6:01pm GMT
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gb news. >> good afternoon. it's 3 pm. >> good afternoon. it's 3 pm. >> welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news broadcasting live from the heart of westminster all across the uk . westminster all across the uk. today we've got an exclusive interview with suella braverman . interview with suella braverman. >> it's a real corker, the former home secretary has warned. >> the prime minister that he'll face another revolt if changes are not made to the rwanda bill. >> we need an effective deterrent. people are coming overin deterrent. people are coming over in their thousands on the small boats. they need to know that if they get here, they will be detained , they will be put on be detained, they will be put on a plane and they will be removed to rwanda . to rwanda. >> and the uk and us have launched missile strikes against houthi rebel groups in yemen. >> as the conflict in the middle east intensifies and rishi sunak has signed a new security pact with ukraine as the uk commits
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over £1 billion to help boost defensive efforts against moscow. that's all coming up in your next hour . so the tories your next hour. so the tories are revolting that big vote on the rwanda bill next week. suella braverman really upping the ante. an explosive interview. we've got that coming up in this show. i want to hear from you all the usual ways. >> email me gbviews@gbnews.com >> email me gbviews@gbnews.com >> let me know what you think is this. >> do or die for the conservatives. >> will this bill ever get away with a single person? >> ever go to rwanda? that's all coming up, but now it's time for your latest news headlines with sam francis. >> martin, thank you very much. and good afternoon. from the gb news room i'm sam francis. the headunes news room i'm sam francis. the headlines at three. well the latest on our top story today . latest on our top story today. the government in yemen says that houthi rebels are
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responsible for dragging the country into the latest military confrontation that follows the joint strikes by the uk and us overnight in response to attacks on ships in the red sea. downing street says the attacks are lawful and proportionate. however a spokesman for the militant says that they militant group says that they will continue to the will continue to block the passage of ships the region. passage of ships in the region. the prime minister says that the uk, send uk, though, needs to send a strong that houthi rebel strong signal that houthi rebel attacks sea are wrong attacks in the red sea are wrong and someone must take responsibility. our aim is very clear it's to dsk late tensions and to restore stability to the region . region. >> and that's why allies over the past few weeks have issued several statements of condemnation of what's happening , calling on the houthis to desist . indeed, just , calling on the houthis to desist. indeed, just this week we've seen a un security council resolution condemning what's happening and saying that states have a right to self—defence. we have a right to self—defence. we have acted in self—defence. and it's incumbent now on the houthis to stop carrying out these attacks, putting people's lives at risk. >> in ukraine, rishi sunak
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>> well, in ukraine, rishi sunak says he's proud to sign a new agreement with the country to provide £2.5 billion of new military aid . it's britain's military aid. it's britain's largest annual commitment since russia's invasion. rishi sunak made the announcement during a surprise trip to kyiv, with the package including long—range missiles, air defence and artillery shells. mr sunak says britain will stand with for ukraine as long as it takes, and he's vowed continued support. vladimir zelenskyy says the agreement helps to secure ukraine's future . ukraine's future. >> today, the history of europe has changed and ukraine and the uk have entered into a new, unprecedented security agreement. >> this is not just a declaration, this is a reality that will come to life thanks to our cooperation. thanks to security guarantees from a prominent global force , the prominent global force, the great britain . well back here in great britain. well back here in the uk, the former home secretary says that the rwanda bill, set to be debated in the commons next week, doesn't hold
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water and that it won't stop the boats in an exclusive interview with gb news, her first since being sacked, suella braverman told our political editor chris hope that the government must introduce measures . introduce tougher measures. >> what we want to see if we want to stop the boats is regular, uh, flights taking off to rwanda with large numbers of passengers, you know, a token flight with a handful of people on them on it is not going to stop the boats. we need an effective deterrent. people are coming over in their thousands and on the small boats. they need to know that if they get here, they will be detained. they will be put on a plane and they will be removed to rwanda . they will be removed to rwanda. >> well, that comes as new home office figures have shown that no migrants cross the english channel for the last 26 days. that's longest gap in small that's the longest gap in small boat crossings for years, boat crossings for five years, and likely caused by poor and is likely caused by poor weather conditions elsewhere , a weather conditions elsewhere, a mother and her former partner have been sentenced to life for
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the murder of her 18 month old son in kent, al fayed. phillips suffered 70 injuries to his body at the hands of his mother, sian hedges, and her ex—boyfriend jack benham. in 2020, jack benham must serve a minimum tum of 23 years, while sian hedges must serve a minimum terme of 19 years. gb news south—east of england reporter ray addison is outside maidstone. maidstone crown court justice kavanagh said that neither benham nor hedges have ever been truthful about what happened that night, both claiming to not have been present. >> when little alfie received his injuries and then subsequently blaming each other, sian hedges cried as the judge detailed the myriad of terrible injuries that alfie would have suffered during what he described as a frenzied attack and then, as she was led from the dock, she screamed that benham had taken her son, ray addison gb news and a lawyer acting for the post office has apologised today for delays in the disclosure of documents to the disclosure of documents to the inquiry into the horizon it
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scandal. >> chris jackson told the inquiry that the post office does want to help to reveal the truth and facts about the scandal, which saw hundreds of people wrongly convicted of theft. former post office minister and the current liberal democrat leader said . davey says democrat leader said. davey says the office lied to the post office lied to everyone, allegations which the firm denies . firm denies. >> it all told me the same thing that the horizon system was working and that there weren't that many subpostmasters, actors involved , and it was clearly involved, and it was clearly a conspiracy of lies . and what's conspiracy of lies. and what's become clear throughout this, through itv's programme and from others , is that the post office others, is that the post office were lying to the sources, lying to the victims was lying to courts and judges was lying to ministers of all parties over two decades. well . that's the two decades. well. that's the latest from the gb newsroom. >> for more, we're on tv, on digital radio and of course on our website, gbnews.com. now though martin in though more from martin in
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westminster . westminster. >> thank you sam. now we start with our suella exclusive interview with suella braverman . interview with suella braverman. >> and the former home secretary has got a stark warning for rishi sunak. she told the prime minister that the crucial rwanda bill fundamentally bill is, quote, fundamentally flawed and she'll vote against it if he doesn't toughen it up. >> well, bradman was speaking to our political editor, christopher hoban. >> he joins me now in the studio. >> chris, a withering interview fully on fighting terms and a big week ahead . this looks spiky big week ahead. this looks spiky for rishi. >> yeah, a reminder of where we are so far. the rwanda plan, of course , was pushed through by course, was pushed through by rishi sunak before christmas, with 29 tory mps abstain . with 29 tory mps abstain. nothing more than that. the promise, then, was if you can make it stronger, change it, make it stronger, change it, make it stronger, change it, make it better, we'll listen to you over christmas. well, on monday the pm said he's looking for bright ideas if it's to improve the bill required , improve the bill if required, and are emerging in and some ideas are emerging in in the intervening period, some amendments from suella braverman
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bill cash um robert jenrick the measure . the bill's being measure. the bill's being debated on tuesday and wednesday next week . um and suella next week. um and suella braverman, in his interview with gb news, is making very clear if it's not changed, she'll vote against it and we'll come to what that means for the government. after the interview. >> there are some welcome elements in this third piece of legislation that the government has put through to stop the boats unfortunate. is boats unfortunate. it is fundamentally, . flawed fundamentally, fatally. flawed for two big reasons. fundamentally, fatally. flawed for two big reasons . firstly, it for two big reasons. firstly, it doesn't not preclude individual claimants. that's illegal migrants who have come here on the boats from legally challenging through the courts , challenging through the courts, use our powers to detain or to remove them. so what we'll see is wide scale and repetitive individual claims being made through the courts. time and time again, only having the effect of delaying their removal to rwanda. secondly it doesn't
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stop the scenario that we all saw in june 2022 whereby the plane was grounded on the tarmac because a judge in the european court of human rights, at the 11th hour, pursuant to an opaque process where the uk government wasn't even represented by, locked the flight from taking off. and there's nothing in this bill that will prevent that from happening again. >> so the changes you're backing with robert jenrick , your former with robert jenrick, your former colleague in the home office , colleague in the home office, and others too, will stop that happen. is that right? these changes we've engaged with the government over several weeks and we've now tabled several amendments in the name , largely amendments in the name, largely of robert jenrick, but also of sir bill cash to fix the bill. >> and we're putting them forward in the spirit of constructive engagement with the government. they will dramatically reduce the ability of people to thwart their removal through the courts and they will emphasise and clarify that these pyjama injunctions,
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these rule 39 orders from the european court are not binding and they will empower a minister, secretary of state, for the home department to direct that these flights can take off. because what we want to see, if we want to stop the boats is regular , uh, flights boats is regular, uh, flights taking off to rwanda with large numbers of passengers, you know, a token flight with a handful of people on them on it is not going to stop the boats. we need an effective deterrent. people are coming over in their thousands on the small boats. they need to know if they they need to know that if they get here, they will be detained. they will be put on a plane and they will be removed to rwanda. so we need a large powers and we need to reduce the ability of these illegal migrants to block their removal . their removal. >> well, suella got the sack, but now she's back . she's back but now she's back. she's back with a vengeance , chris. with a vengeance, chris. a withering take down of the
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rwanda bill. >> she's making it abundantly clear as far as i can see it, no amount of lipstick on this pig will make it acceptable to her. she's going to vote against it. >> the question how big >> the question is, how big a revolt lead and how much revolt can she lead and how much of a problem will that be for rishi sunak? >> well, it depends what mr sunak does things stand, >> well, it depends what mr sunaiare es things stand, >> well, it depends what mr sunaiare 54 things stand, >> well, it depends what mr sunaiare 54 toryings stand, >> well, it depends what mr sunaiare 54 toryings supporting there are 54 tory mps supporting these sir bill these amendments by sir bill cash tuesday and then on cash on tuesday and then on wednesday by robert jenrick. what they're worried about is that lawyers can use individual cases to slow down and frustrate the work. so any dribs and drabs of, at all, um, migrant of, if at all, um, migrant migrants can be set to be deported, um, to , to africa. deported, um, to, to africa. what she wants is them to go in their thousands that will be a signal to these these individuals, um , in on the coast individuals, um, in on the coast of france who are sending people across across in small boats, the people smugglers. she wants an effective deterrent. and that's what she's saying . that's what she's saying. interestingly, though, she said to me also an interview that dozens ministers feel the dozens of ministers feel the same under their breath. they think it's not going to work. and next week
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at. >> and the key line for me. the full interview coming up later in the show. it's far better to defeat this bill and start again . that is a nuclear option that would be a huge headache. it would be a huge headache. it would be a huge headache. it would be dire assault on would be a dire assault on rishi's leadership. his ability, if for that , if they're aiming for that, martin, we've got a problem. >> unpick that defeat. >> let's unpick that defeat. the bill government is bill means the government is defeating commons that defeating the commons and that will probably trigger if it happens, a no confidence happens, a vote of no confidence by labour party in the by the labour party in the government, which the party would win, the tory party would win certainly. this would win, the tory party would wia certainly. this would win, the tory party would wia very certainly. this would win, the tory party would wia very badzrtainly. this would win, the tory party would wia very bad lookly. this would win, the tory party would wia very bad look going this would win, the tory party would wia very bad look going into is a very bad look going into two crucial by elections next month. yeah vote next month. yeah and that vote next week . week. >> a fantastic exclusive by the way. well done. you're on a real roll chris. >> for gb news. but the timing is everything. this has dropped on a friday. vote is coming on a friday. that vote is coming next going be next week. that's going to be a difficult weekend for rishi. should be getting the headlines in couple of in ukraine in a couple of billion just thrown billion pounds. just thrown about. instead, they're all going talking this going to be talking about this and the weekend those and over the weekend those whatsapp going be whatsapp groups are going to be going crazy. >> weekend is coming. >> the weekend is coming. >> the weekend is coming. >> the reason they
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>> well, the reason why they signal big votes on signal these two big votes on tuesday wednesday is fargo tuesday and wednesday is fargo is tuesday. this week was to allow this of allow time for this kind of horse trading . there'll be talk horse trading. there'll be talk over weekend. are over the weekend. whips are worried, i imagine, given the scale of tory mp supporting scale of the tory mp supporting these amendments scale of the tory mp supporting the and nendments scale of the tory mp supporting the and nendlikely scale of the tory mp supporting the and nend likely do scale of the tory mp supporting the and nendlikely do you think >> and how likely do you think it that suella isn't . it is that suella isn't. >> she hasn't changed her position. no, she she has consistently, consistently said since the sack that this since she got the sack that this bill won't fly. literally. how much of this is a power play by her? do you think, to be the next tory leader after what everyone now is thinking, could be a pretty bad defeat in the next general? >> well, that question >> well, i asked that question because a fair question to because it's a fair question to ask about you suella is ask is all about you suella is it positioning yourself it about positioning yourself with the right , with mps, with the right, with tory mps, about going for the top job? if mr sunak quits after losing the election, she wouldn't go there, wouldn't on future wouldn't comment on future plans. the usual plans. you know, give the usual words expect from that kind words we expect from that kind of question. but some will be saying no question. don't of question. but some will be sayingyou no question. don't of question. but some will be sayingyou can'tquestion. don't of question. but some will be sayingyou can't get.tion. don't of question. but some will be sayingyou can't get. the don't of question. but some will be sayingyou can't get. the pm's: forget you can't get. the pm's have been clear any firmer have been very clear any firmer will collapse the deal around. they won't accept it. if you go
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too far the left and too far to the left and softening it so it gets harder, the accept it. in the the left won't accept it. in the tory party he's a very, very narrow. the line upon which the pm now, and the pm is walking right now, and the one that, the more one nation on that, the more liberal the party, they liberal end of the party, they said would vote for it. said they would vote for it. >> as stands unamended. >> as it stands unamended. >> as it stands unamended. >> and that is not at all >> yeah. and that is not at all what we're hearing from suella. >> presumably a >> and presumably she'll have a key of allies in the key number of allies in the party week are near reception. >> i went to very made very clear matt who's clear by matt warman, who's a key first person tory mp that key first person tory mp in that one nation caucus will accept this unamended , the right one to this unamended, the right one to amend it. who's going win? amend it. who's going to win? >> that's not going >> well, that that's not going to happen at this rate, is it? >> amendment pass will be >> the amendment pass will be demanded. demands demanded. and will those demands be that depends on the be heeded that depends on the size government. size of the government. >> concerned if they >> are they concerned if they want get the right these to want to get the right these to support it, they'll do some measures welcomed support it, they'll do some methe res welcomed support it, they'll do some methe right welcomed support it, they'll do some methe right and welcomed support it, they'll do some methe right and it welcomed support it, they'll do some methe right and it might welcomed support it, they'll do some methe right and it might weaken|ed by the right and it might weaken the resolve of the rebels, because as unamended suella braverman who knows how many braverman and who knows how many more tory rebels on the right will vote it against it, and maybe sink the bill altogether next huge moment,
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next week. huge moment, fundamentally and fatally flawed, she says. >> she's not mincing her words again. excellent. you got this exclusive woe betide a government that fails the british people a stark torpedo. >> she's judging the pm by his own words . he said, the own words. he said, stop the boats. a year ago this week. she thinks and others think on the right of the party. this can't stop the boats. here's how you stop the boats. here's how you stop the boats. prime minister. she maybe correctly, that she thinks maybe correctly, that voters are tired words. they voters are tired of words. they want and this is action. want action. and this is action. according to the suella braverman, his team braverman, the pm and his team think current bill as as think the current bill as as drafted will okay. drafted will work okay. >> explosive exclusive and >> an explosive exclusive and a huge week ahead. superb workshop as ever and we'll bring you suella braverman interview in full just after 3:30. stick around. you won't want to miss that. and there's plenty more on our website gb news. com and you've helped to make it the fastest growing national news website country . so thank website in the country. so thank you much. now houthi rebels you very much. now houthi rebels have vowed revenge after uk and usa airstrikes on military facilities used by the group in yemen . i'm
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>> the camilla tominey show sunday mornings from 930 on gb news is . news is. >> welcome back as poaching 320 watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news. now later this hour i'll bring you our exclusive interview with suella braverman in full. and she's warned rishi sunak that that rwanda bill is funding mentally
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flawed . now, houthi rebels have flawed. now, houthi rebels have vowed revenge after uk and us air strikes on the group's military facilities in yemen. hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets of the yemeni capital sanaa after the rebels confirmed five houthi members were killed and six were injured in last night's attacks. let's speak now to gb news home and security editor mark white. mark, welcome to the show. always a pleasure. we've been on the precipice of this happening now for many, many weeks. and finally it's happened. the big question is, will britain be dragged into another war in the middle east? >> well, that's a fear we've been hearing from both senior politicians in the us and the uk. they are . expectation is uk. they are. expectation is that this will be limited. its proportion , they said. however proportion, they said. however however, that does not, uh, bnng however, that does not, uh, bring into the calculation what the houthis will do and they've said that they are going to enact reprisals and they could
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be very significant indeed. they have a capability , uh, they may have a capability, uh, they may be, you know , to all intents and be, you know, to all intents and purposes, a large scale militia, but they've been well armed over the years by their key supporter , iran. they don't just have these relatively cheap but still effective drones , as they have effective drones, as they have anti—ship missiles and even ballistic missiles as well. so they do pose a significant threat if they decide that they are going to up the ante somewhat . so i guess we've got somewhat. so i guess we've got to as grant shapps said a little earlier in the week, what? watch this space. uh rishi sunak. earlier in the week, what? watch this space. uh rishi sunak . who this space. uh rishi sunak. who is out in ukraine today? that was a lot long, uh, planned visit , uh, to ukraine. so he'd visit, uh, to ukraine. so he'd gone ahead with that. clearly there's a lot of, uh, planning that needs to take place from the security side of things . so the security side of things. so he had to go ahead with that trip. anyway, um, while all out there announcing the extra money
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for ukraine, he spoke to reporters and said that the operation that was led by the us and supported by the uk , uh, was and supported by the uk, uh, was unavoidable because of the escalation in from the houthis in recent weeks . over the last in recent weeks. over the last month, we've seen a significant increase in the number of houthi attacks on commercial shipping in the red sea. >> that's putting innocent lives at risk. it's disrupting the global economy . and it's also, global economy. and it's also, uh , destabilising the region. uh, destabilising the region. and in that time, we've also seen the single biggest attack on a navy warship , seen the single biggest attack on a navy warship, a seen the single biggest attack on a navy warship , a british on a navy warship, a british navy warship that we've seen in decades. now, it's clear that that type of behaviour can't carry on. that's why we joined with allies in issuing very pubuc with allies in issuing very public condemnation of this behaviour. and it's why i made the decision with allies to take what i believe to be necessary, proportionate and targeted action against military targets to and disrupt houthi to degrade and disrupt houthi capability . we won't hesitate to
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capability. we won't hesitate to protect lives and ensure the safety of commercial shipping . safety of commercial shipping. >> and mark, it's worth spelling out who the huit is. are um. they've been a menace with their pirate ship operations for some time, but their motto is death to america, death to israel, and damn the jews . they're islamist damn the jews. they're islamist extremists . they're no friend of extremists. they're no friend of the west. are now. they're well—funded by iran. >> yeah, absolutely . i mean, >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, they should not be underestimated . they are underestimated. they are belligerent. they are battle hardened. this was a rebel group that saudi arabia, with all of its military might, uh, believed that it would be able to bomb into submission , uh, during the into submission, uh, during the civil war in yemen, that they'd be able to bomb the houthis out of the political picture there and restore the rightful government in yemen . uh, that government in yemen. uh, that didn't work out, though. and a good number of years later , good number of years later, after significant cos out in
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blood and treasure for saudi arabia , um, they've effectively arabia, um, they've effectively pulled back from that. and of course, the houthis feel emboldened, not only by that, uh, but by the very public support that they have been showing the palestinians in gaza by targeting these ships in the red sea. now, although there is no love lost between many arab countries and governments and the houthis, there is a great deal of support, popular support within in arab populations , the within in arab populations, the way in which they have come out and so publicly, uh, thrown their weight behind hamas and their weight behind hamas and the palestinians in gaza. so say all eyes really are on them now to see what they do next. it may weigh well be the aim and the hope of rishi sunak and joe biden that this will all be over with now that they've given
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that, uh , bloody nose to the that, uh, bloody nose to the houthis and they will back off. but everything we know about the houthis tells us that's probably not going to happen. martin. >> okay. mark white, thank you for that update on the spiralling tensions in the middle east and indeed, continued tensions in the middle east could have a huge impact on the uk's economy. gb news economics and business editor liam halligan me now with liam halligan joins me now with on the money . so liam , you've on the money. so liam, you've been calling this for months . been calling this for months. here we are. um, the now the real pinch point is in that straight, you said yesterday 25% of the world's oil going through there. this could be a nightmare for british inflation. >> could is the operative word. there's nothing guaranteed about this. so i don't wish to be alarmist. and i'm not trying to be overly pessimistic. i'm just raising this possibility . uh, raising this possibility. uh, the possibility now, having
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really come into view. so starkly over the last 24, 48 hours, as some of us have been saying it would for many months, let's distinguish martin between the entrance to the red sea, which goes into the suez canal, and the entrance to the persian gulf. since mid—december, we've had disturbances to freight shipping of the entrance into the red sea, that is the route through the suez canal from the middle east, through to europe that accounts for about 10% of all sea bound global oil flows every single day. that's the suez canal, 2000m, 2000km to the east is the persian gulf, the gates of the persian gulf. what's called the straits of hormuz, a choke point between the tip of oman and the southern coast of iran that is even more important in terms of energy pnces important in terms of energy prices than the suez canal , prices than the suez canal, because that is the gateway to the persian gulf, not just for oil from kuwait and other countries , uae, but also gas, countries, uae, but also gas,
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uquefied countries, uae, but also gas, liquefied natural gas from qatar, one of the world's major exporters . and that accounts for exporters. and that accounts for 25% of the world's global oil flows. those straits of hormuz . flows. those straits of hormuz. so we've had disturbances . hooty so we've had disturbances. hooty drones, iranian backed houthi drones, iranian backed houthi drones attacking freight shipping in the red sea on the way to the suez canal for over a month now. but in the last couple of days, of course, we've seen freight shipping attacked, in particular a us tanker hijacked by iranian authorities in the straits of hormuz. that's why this has really come into focus . we've seen oil prices focus. we've seen oil prices spike , spike in the last couple spike, spike in the last couple of days. they're now up above $80 a barrel, up from about $70 before christmas . they could before christmas. they could have spiked a lot more , though, have spiked a lot more, though, if the oil markets really believed that the straits of hormuz were going to be a no go zone if global shipping companies weren't able to ensure their freight in the straits of hormuz. if that was nailed on, oil would already be well above $100 a barrel. that isn't happening. that's a good sign.
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but that doesn't mean that the risks aren't there and we also had some gdp figures out today. >> we did indeed. >> we did indeed. >> this is you know, if we do get a big spike in oil prices and petrol and diesel prices go up and the price of everything else goes up because so much of it is linked to energy costs, then that's really going to scupper the uk economy and the uk has actually been uk economy has actually been pretty . we've we've pretty resilient. we've we've avoided inflation, so we've avoided inflation, so we've avoided a recession far. the avoided a recession so far. the eurozone in recession. the eurozone is in recession. the german economy has been contracting for some time. but the british economy is flatlining and showing signs of growth. let's have a look at those gdp numbers, which came out at 7 am. this morning. crikey, i thought it was going out at 7 am. this morning. cribe', i thought it was going out at 7 am. this morning. cribe', i thou aboutwas going out at 7 am. this morning. cribe', i thou about these>ing out at 7 am. this morning. cribe', i thou about these all to be talking about these all day, but we've ended talking day, but we've ended up talking about geopolitics that is the world we at world we're in. if we look at those now, hopefully those gdp numbers now, hopefully the graphic will appear and we can in october. and gb can see that in october. and gb news radio listeners can follow my we can see my voice. hopefully we can see the october gdp contracted by 0.3% month on month. and in november it almost fully
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recovered to expand 0.3% month on month. why did that happen in november? it was partly because we had strong retail sales in november, linked to growing consumer confidence, linked to the notion that inflation is coming down, interest rates are coming down, interest rates are coming down, interest rates are coming down, mortgage rates are already down in already coming down in anticipation of bank of england interest rates coming down, commercial loans are coming down. the costs of servicing them. better them. so we've had better retail sales in november. unfortunately, though , we had unfortunately, though, we had relatively weak construction and manufacturing sectors . but still manufacturing sectors. but still not too bad in the current environment. the thing is this though, martin, the tories have bet and they've bet big on going long. what does that mean? waiting until the next general election, pushing it after the summer? maybe october, even november, said former chancellor george osborne yesterday. because they want to give the bank of england time to get one, two, maybe three interest rate cuts to in get the economy motoring again , to try and motoring again, to try and
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generate that all important pre—election feel good factor. if the tories can get that, you know, not many people think they could win, but they could limit the damage. the trouble is, though, if the if we though, martin, if the if we have this geopolitical driven spike prices , spike in energy prices, inflation won't keep on falling , inflation won't keep on falling, it will go back up again and interest might have interest rates might even have to back up again. all bets to go back up again. all bets will be off. i'm saying will be off. i'm not saying it will be off. i'm not saying it will not long will happen, not by a long chalk. there's a big chance that it won't. but it could. okay. >> thank you very much. superb stuff. now we've got more stuff. now we've got loads more coming in next of coming in the next part of the show, rest of the show, including the rest of the exclusive braverman exclusive suella braverman interview. here's interview. but first, here's your headlines with interview. but first, here's your francis headlines with interview. but first, here's your francis . headlines with sam francis. >> martin, thank you very much. good afternoon from the gb newsroom i'm sam francis. the headunes newsroom i'm sam francis. the headlines at just after 3:30. well our top story today the government in yemen says that houthi rebels are responsible for dragging the country into the latest military confrontation. it follows joint strikes by the uk and us
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overnight in response to attacks on ships in the red sea . downing on ships in the red sea. downing street says those attacks are lawful and proportionate . lawful and proportionate. however, a spokesman for the militant group says they will continue to block the passage of ships in the region. in ukraine, rishi sunak says he's proud to sign a new agreement with the country to provide £2.5 billion of new military aid. it's britain's largest annual commitment since russia's invasion. the prime minister made the announcement during a surprise visit to kyiv, the surprise visit to kyiv, with the package including long—range missiles, and missiles, air defence and artillery shells. mr sunak says that if britain wavers in its support of ukraine, it would embolden president putin and his allies in north korea, iran and elsewhere. here in the uk, a mother and her former partner have been sentenced to life for the murder of her 18 month old son in kent. alfie phillips suffered 70 injuries to his body at the hands of his mother, sian hedges , and her ex—boyfriend hedges, and her ex—boyfriend jack benham . in 2020, jack jack benham. in 2020, jack benham must serve a minimum tum
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of 23 years, while sian hedges must serve a minimum tum of 19 years. and in the us, the aviation regulator there says it will be looking carefully at boeing's production lines and suppliers . says that's after a suppliers. says that's after a panel broke off a new 737 max nine aircraft in mid—flight last week. it comes as the country's aviation authority said there are also other manufacturing problems at the company. last week on friday, an alaska airlines plane had to make an emergency landing with 177 people on board. luckily no one was hurt . people on board. luckily no one was hurt. that's the people on board. luckily no one was hurt . that's the latest from was hurt. that's the latest from the gb news room. for more on all of those stories, visit our website gb news dot com . website gb news dot com. >> for stunning gold and silver coins, you'll always value rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report , the gb news financial report, and here's a look at this
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fatally flawed for two big reasons. >> first, firstly, it doesn't preclude individual claimants. that's illegal migrants who have come here on the boats from legally challenging through the courts our powers to detain or to remove them. so what we'll see is wide scale and repetitive. india claims being made through the court s time and time again, only having the effect of delaying their removal to rwanda. secondly it doesn't stop the scenario that we all saw in june 2022 whereby the plane was grounded on the tarmac because a judge in the european court of human rights, at the 11th hour, pursuant to an opaque process where the uk government wasn't even represented by, blocked the flight from taking off. and there's nothing in this bill that will prevent that from happening again. >> so the changes you're backing with robert jenrick, your former
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colleague in the home office, and others too, will stop that happen. and others too, will stop that happen . is that right? these happen. is that right? these changes we've engaged with the government over several weeks, and we've now tabled several amendments in the name , largely amendments in the name, largely of robert jenrick, but also of sir bill cash to fix the bill. >> and we're putting them forward in the spirit of concern , active engagement with the government. they will dramatically reduce the ability of people to thwart . their of people to thwart. their removal through the courts and they will emphasise and clarify that these pyjama injunctions, these rule 39 orders from the european court are not binding and they will empower a minister, secretary of state for the home department to direct that these flights can take off. because what we want to see, if we want to stop the boats is regular. uh flights taking to off rwanda with large numbers of passengers, you know, a token flight with a handful of people on them on it is not going to
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stop the boats. we need an effective deterrent. people are coming over in their thousands. on the small boats. they need to know that if they get here, they will be detained, they will be put on a plane and they will be removed to rwanda. so we need a large powers and we need to reduce ability of these reduce the ability of these illegal migrants to block their removal. >> the pm wants bright ideas. he told voters in accrington on monday this week that it is he looking at your measures. have you been heard that the pm is looking at your ideas you're proposing? >> well, i would respectfully say that these are some bright ideas that we've put forward. i mean, have personally some mean, i have personally some expertise subject. expertise in this subject. i advocated for many of these measures 12 months ago when i was home secretary . we, uh, the was home secretary. we, uh, the prime minister refused to accept them. then he's come some way forward . he's now introduced a forward. he's now introduced a third bill. as i say, with some of those measures. but unfortunately , it's lacking in unfortunately, it's lacking in the essential things that are
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going to make this bill work. thatis going to make this bill work. that is going to stop the boats. so we've got some bright ideas. we've engaged constructively . we we've engaged constructively. we want to work it want this bill to work it currently not. and to currently does not. and to pretend otherwise , i'm afraid, pretend otherwise, i'm afraid, does a disservice to the british public. it amounts to a betrayal to the british public. i want to stop the boats. i want this government to stop the boats. it's got a chance to do that. and that's why i'm urging the prime accept our prime minister to accept our amendments we can work amendments so that we can work together fix this bill and together to fix this bill and stop boats . stop the boats. >> votes next week, >> there are votes next week, tuesday, wednesday in the committee in the commons, committee stage in the commons, and there's a third reading on the bill. the the whole bill. if the government accept your government doesn't accept your amendments amendments, government doesn't accept your amen go ents amendments, government doesn't accept your amen go through amendments, government doesn't accept your amen go through whatnendments, government doesn't accept your amen go through what happensts, government doesn't accept your amen go through what happens at don't go through what happens at that reading vote that third reading vote potentially on wednesday. what will well listen, i am will you do? well listen, i am i'm only going to support a bill that works as currently drafted . that works as currently drafted. >> this bill does not work. that works as currently drafted. >> this bill does not work . and >> this bill does not work. and if there are no improvements to it , i will if there are no improvements to it, i will have to if there are no improvements to it , i will have to vote if there are no improvements to it, i will have to vote against it. i'm afraid i'm sent to parliament to vote for things to
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be for things or to be against them, not to sit on the fence. and i owe it to my constituents. i owe it to the british people to be transparent and honest about the situation that we're in. it's absolutely essential that we deliver on this pledge to stop the boats. >> how many of the other colleagues of yours, the 54 or so, have signed many of these amendments will vote against it at third if it's not amended. >> listen, i've been working extensively over the last few weeks many weeks with many, many colleagues, very colleagues, and i'm very encouraged by their support that we've got over 50 conservative mps who have now publicly put their names to these amendments, who share our concerns, who want to fix the bill. this is a significant number of backbenchers who feel very strongly, and we will all be discussing this matter intensively over the next few days, because you could defeat the government and help labour defeat the government and potentially government defeat the government and poten next government defeat the government and poten next well, overnment defeat the government and poten next well, listen, ent down next week. well, listen, what my objective is, is to deliver a vote, a what deliver a vote, a bill. what my objective is, to deliver objective is, is to deliver a bill that works and it's far
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better to defeat this bill because it doesn't work and start again with a new bill that will work, then proceed on a false premise, then proceed on a bafis false premise, then proceed on a basis that amounts to, uh, something that won't stop the boats. we may all feel a temporary sense of achievement by passing a bill, but in a few months time, when we see that plane grounded on the tarmac, when we're failing to remove people to rwanda, when we are clogged up in the courts, it will very, very will be very, very disappointing. people will disappointing. and people will ask us rightly, what did you do to and that to try and avoid that catastrophe ? that's what i'm catastrophe? that's what i'm trying to do now. i'm trying to avoid a catastrophe of failing to deliver on this pledge. >> do other ministers still in government share your concerns? and might some have to resign next personally speaking, >> well, personally speaking, i have been very , uh, concerned by have been very, uh, concerned by the high number of ministers us to whom i have spoken on who i
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have grave reservations about. this bill. oh, dozens. i actually haven't spoken to many ministers who genuinely believe that this bill is going to work privately. uh under their breath, they say to me, uh, we know this bill won't work. we know this bill won't work. we know that the we're exposed and we're vulnerable to the european court in this bill. we know that this bill will will only open the floodgates to litigation and claims and lawyers bringing repetitive claims . but, you repetitive claims. but, you know, we want to continue and we, you know, so i think that there's a very widespread level of concern privately amongst ministers. >> so some may have to resign to go with their conscience. >> this is, you know, every minister has to grapple with many, many conflicting factors . many, many conflicting factors. and it's a very personal decision. i'm someone who resigned from government because because i couldn't support theresa may's brexit betrayal
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and the terms of her withdrawal agreement, it takes courage. it takes principle to resign and give up the trappings of office, which are quite seductive. but it does have an impact because ultimately, if you take a stand on principle , it means on principle, it means something. and that's why i applaud my colleague robert jenrick, who who did resign on principle because he had profound disagreements with this policy and this bill. >> do you understand, though, that the bind that the pm is in rishi sunak he's got to try and keep the left of his party right happy, the right happy. he's gone can on both gone as far as he can on both sides. he's teetering along a kind of ledge, isn't he, to get this bill through parliament and he's hoping it will work. he says it will work in the first flights take off in may. do you understand the they've gone as far as they can. number 10. he can't any further. can't go any further. >> no i disagree with that. fundamentally firstly hoping >> no i disagree with that. flwillnentally firstly hoping >> no i disagree with that. flwill work|lly firstly hoping >> no i disagree with that. flwill work is! firstly hoping >> no i disagree with that. flwill work is wholly rstly hoping it will work is wholly insufficient . right now we're at insufficient. right now we're at the end of the parliamentary time. this is the third act of
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parliament that we will be passing to stop the boats. pledges have been made, slogans have been trumpeted, promises have been trumpeted, promises have been trumpeted, promises have been made, time and time again. and the british people are sick and tired of broken promises . we can't afford to get promises. we can't afford to get it wrong and so wishful thinking. there's no there's no more time for wishful thinking when it comes to stopping the boats. we're we're facing a general election, and if we don't get it right, and if we don't get it right, and if we don't stop the boats, the british people are not going to forgive us. >> critics will say it's all about leadership. if you want to be leader, listen, there's no leadership election. >> i'm not running for leader, but there is a general election and us win that and i want us to win that general election. the general election. and at the moment, polling moment, on the current polling and according public opinion, and according to public opinion, about of colleagues are and according to public opinion, aboto of colleagues are and according to public opinion, aboto lose of colleagues are and according to public opinion, aboto lose their colleagues are and according to public opinion, aboto lose their seats.agues are and according to public opinion, aboto lose their seats. ijues are and according to public opinion, aboto lose their seats. i wantire set to lose their seats. i want them to win their seats, and we're going our seats. we're going to win our seats. yes. if we pass a bill that works. >> but even a bill which might work might save some seats. >> but unfortunately, this bill won't it's absolutely won't work. it's absolutely clear government's own clear the government's own
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lawyers have admitted lawyers themselves have admitted that it's highly likely that this bill won't work. that it's highly likely that this bill won't work . uh, the, this bill won't work. uh, the, you know, our legal advice has made it clear that this bill won't work. i've spoken to practising lawyers in this field who have made it very clear that this bill is faulty. the pm says it will he will ignore any foreign courts intervene in foreign courts and intervene in the work of the uk . the work of the uk. >> do you not believe him when he says that? i'm afraid the position within government , it position within government, it and the prevailing legal view is that a ruling from the strasbourg court is binding on uk ministers, and that's the other profound issue. >> that's raised by this bill. it's about who governs britain. is it the uk parliament and our democratically elected government ? who which has a government? who which has a mandate to stop the boats, or is it some foreign court, a foreign judge and a foreign jurisdiction which has very little accountability and legitimacy ? i accountability and legitimacy? i would say. i mean, that's why my personal view is that we need to leave the european court of human rights leave the
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human rights and leave the european personally, european manifesto. personally, i to start having i think we have to start having this debate a lively way this debate in a lively way because of the because our membership of the european is precisely what european court is precisely what is policymaking and is is stymieing policymaking and is stopping us from delivering, delivering on, on, on our pledge to control our borders once again. >> it's all about sovereignty, isn't it? this vote, this debate, we haven't, through a meaningful vote. uh happened several years ago over brexit. it's about brexit again, isn't it? a sovereignty matter. it? it's a sovereignty matter. next week. it? it's a sovereignty matter. ne)|t'seek. it? it's a sovereignty matter. ne)|t's about taking back >> it's about taking back control. are real control. yes, there are real parallels with brexit and you know, i think that it's you know, i think that it's you know, there are parallels again with the meaningful vote. there was lots of voices, voices off at the time of meaningful vote, uh, telling tory mps don't don't rebel , don't uh, telling tory mps don't don't rebel, don't speak out because if you disagree with the terms of the withdrawal agreement, bruno brexit in name only, do you remember that? don't grandstand, they said , you know, grandstand, they said, you know, i'm so proud that 28 of us took a stance of courage and principle and objective to
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objected to the terms of the withdrawal agreement, objected to the terms of the withdrawal agreement , despite withdrawal agreement, despite huge pressures to do otherwise . huge pressures to do otherwise. had we not done so , that faulty had we not done so, that faulty and betrayal brexit would have gone through, and we may well have been in a very different situation where brexit is all this worth potentially bringing down your government next week? >> because the government is >> because if the government is defeated wednesday, there defeated on wednesday, there might a vote of no confidence might be a vote of no confidence by and we face an by labour and we could face an early election by mistake. >> not about bringing early election by mistake. >> the not about bringing early election by mistake. >> the government.'inging early election by mistake. >> the government. this1g early election by mistake. >> the government. this is down the government. this is about bill that about delivering a bill that works and stopping the boats . works and stopping the boats. you know, here because you know, i'm here because i believe vividly in things. i'm here because i believe passionately in delivering for the british people. they are fed up . with the boats. they are fed up. with the boats. they are fed up. with the boats. they are fed up with broken promises. this is our last chance to get it right. and woe betide a government that fails the british people again. >> well, suella braverman, thank you today on gb you for joining us today on gb news. you. thank you. news. thank you. thank you. >> an astonishing, explosive interview and we'll have full analysis of that in the next
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bring us up to speed. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> during sentencing, martin justice kavanagh was clear that neither benham or hedges had told the truth about what had happened to little alfie in november of 2020 and that horrible night in the caravan belonging to benham. >> they tried to cover up at first what had happened, and then turned on each other, blaming each other for his injuries . injuries. >> it was an attack fuelled by whisky cocaine. >> benham had been smoking crack as well during that, as the judge described it, described it a frenzied attack. little alfie suffered broken ribs , arms, a suffered broken ribs, arms, a leg his foot as well. it's a lot of horrible details. the doctors found traces of cocaine, cannabis and alcohol in his body dunng cannabis and alcohol in his body during the post—mortem. they said that benham was the prime mover in the assault, but hedges had encouraged and assisted him and neither had expressed any
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remorse . now alfie's dad, sam remorse. now alfie's dad, sam phillips, had felt unable to attend the trial because of the horrific details and his girlfriend, his new girlfriend, sarah merritt merritt , had gone sarah merritt merritt, had gone in his stead. they both spoke after sentencing on the steps outside of maidstone crown court . justice has been done. >> obviously nothing can bring alfie back after a lengthy trial, we finally got what we deserve for that little boy. >> the outcome could have been a little bit better. 23 years and a 19 in 19 years. >> we've got the justice in our hearts for alfie. >> finally , after three years . >> finally, after three years. and we're all pleased. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> justice is so finally justice has been done . they thought they has been done. they thought they were going to get away with it. >> i think. but no . but like >> i think. but no. but like i say, nothing's going to bring alfie back. but they , we can alfie back. but they, we can sleep now knowing that they're not coming out of prison now for
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a very, very long time . a very, very, very long time. >> now, after the sentencing, as she was being sent down, hedges screamed an expletive at benham and said that he had taken her son away from her. however, judge kavanagh was very, very clear during his summation that she could have stopped the violence that had happened dunng violence that had happened during that night and had been responsible for some of it herself . both of them now will herself. both of them now will have at least a couple of decades to think about what happened that night. >> okay, ray. allison, thank you for that update . you know, some for that update. you know, some cases just take your breath away, don't they? they're they're they're so difficult to get your head around on there. how how you know, the ultimate gift is the gift of life to do that to a child. i sometimes on this job, it's very hard to turn turn your emotions off. poor old alfie phillips . but justice has alfie phillips. but justice has been served today and i hope his
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parents find peace . i really parents find peace. i really hope they do. how can any parent get over that ? anyway, let's get over that? anyway, let's move on. we've got much more on that exclusive interview with suella braverman coming up in the next hour . we'll have full the next hour. we'll have full analysis of what that means for analysis of what that means for a tumultuous and huge week ahead in parliament. well, rishi sunak rwanda bill, will this sink ? rwanda bill, will this sink? sunak i'm martin daubney on gb news and this is britain's news channel. news and this is britain's news channel . a brighter outlook with channel. a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> afternoon. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. i'm alex deakin, the cold theme continues this weekend. most places will be dry, but there will be a few showers around and it's going to turn more wintry across the north by sunday. that's as a cold weather front approaches that mix things up. high
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>> good afternoon, it's 4 pm. and welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news broadcasting live from the heart of westminster. all across the uk. now we've got an exclusive explosive interview with suella braverman for you today. the former home secretary has warned the prime minister that he will face another revolt if he if changes are not made to the rwanda bill. we need an effective deterrent . effective deterrent. >> people are coming over in their thousands and on the small boats they need to know that if they get here, they will be detained. they will be put on a plane and they will be removed to rwanda and the uk and the us have launched missile strikes against houthi rebel groups in yemen, as the conflict and middle east intensifies. >> and there's the latest on the post office scandal . as a lawyer post office scandal. as a lawyer for the institution finally apologises . and that's all apologises. and that's all coming up in your next hour.
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apologises. and that's all coming up in your next hour . and coming up in your next hour. and this exclusive interview with suella braverman is simply astonishing . echoing brexit, she astonishing. echoing brexit, she talks of a betrayal of the british people. she says she will not vote for this bill. as it stands , the tories seemingly it stands, the tories seemingly heading for meltdown next week. a huge, huge week ahead. i want to hear from you on that. email me your views at gbviews@gbnews.com will these flights ever get off the ground or rishi sunak going to be sunk over rwanda before that , it's over rwanda before that, it's time for your latest news headunes time for your latest news headlines with tatiana sanchez . headlines with tatiana sanchez. >> martin, thank you very much. your top stories from the gb news room. >> the government in yemen says houthi rebels are responsible for, quote , dragging the country for, quote, dragging the country into military confrontation .
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into military confrontation. >> in it follows joint strikes by the uk and the us overnight in response to attacks on ships in response to attacks on ships in the red sea, downing street says the attacks are lawful and proportionate . however, proportionate. however, a spokesman for the militant group says they'll continue to block the passage of ships. the prime minister says the uk needs to send a strong signal that houthi rebel attacks in the red sea are wrong, and someone must take responsibility . responsibility. >> our aim is very clear. it's to de—escalate tensions and to restore stability to the region, and that's why allies over the past few weeks have issued several statements of condemnation of what's happening, calling on the houthis to desist. indeed just this week we've seen a un security council resolution condemning what's happening and saying that states have a right to self—defence. we have acted in self—defence. hence it's incumbent now on the houthis to stop carrying out these attacks, putting people's lives at risk in ukraine. >> rishi sunak says he's proud to sign a new agreement with the country to provide £2.5 billion
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of new military aid. it's britain's largest annual commitment since russia's invasion. the prime minister made the announcement during a surprise visit to kyiv with the package including long—range missiles , air defence and missiles, air defence and artillery shells. ukraine's president vladimir zelenskyy says the agreement helped secure his country's future john lydon today, the history of europe has changed and ukraine and the uk have entered into a new, unprecedented security agreement. >> this is not just a declaration , this is a reality declaration, this is a reality that will come to life thanks to our cooperation , thanks to our cooperation, thanks to security guarantees from a prominent global force, the great britain . great britain. >> the former home secretary says the rwanda bill, set to be debated in the commons next week, doesn't hold water and won't stop the boats. speaking exclusively to gb news, her first tv interview since being sacked , suella braverman said sacked, suella braverman said the government must introduce
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tougher measures. >> what we want to see, if we want to stop the boats is regular, uh, flights taking off to rwanda with large numbers of passengers, you know, a token flight with a handful of people on them on it is not going to stop the boats. we need an effective deterrent. people are coming over in their thousands on the small boats. they need to know that if they get here, they will be detained. they will be put on a plane and they will be removed to rwanda . removed to rwanda. >> that is new. home office figures show no migrants have crossed the english for channel 26 days. that's the longest gap in small boat crossings for five years and is likely caused by poor weather conditions in. a mother and her former partner have been sentenced to life for the murder of her 18 month old son in kent. alfie philip suffered 70 injuries to his body at the hands of his mother, sian
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hedges , and her ex—boyfriend hedges, and her ex—boyfriend jack benham in 2020. mr benham must serve a minimum tum of 23 years, while mrs. hedges must serve a minimum tum of 19 years. gb news, south east of england reporter ray addison is outside maidstone crown court justice kavanagh said that neither benham nor hedges have ever been truthful about what happened that night, claiming to not that night, both claiming to not have been present. >> when little alfie received his injuries and then subsequently blaming each other, sian hedges cried as the judge detailed the myriad of terrible injuries that alfie would have suffered during what he described as a frenzied attack and then, as she was led from the dock, she screamed that benham had taken her son, ray addison . gb news, and a lawyer addison. gb news, and a lawyer acting for the post office has apologised for delays in the disclosure of documents to the inquiry into the horizon it scandal . scandal. >> chris jackson told the inquiry the post office wants to help reveal the truth and facts behind the fault, which led to
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hundreds of people being wrongfully convicted of theft. former post office minister and current liberal democrats leader sir ed davey says the company lied to everyone. allegations which the firm denies . which the firm denies. >> it all told me the same thing that the horizon system was working, that there weren't that many subpostmasters in involved and it was clearly a conspiracy of lies. and what's become clear throughout this through itv's programme and from others , is, programme and from others, is, is that the post office were lying to the subpostmasters, lying to the subpostmasters, lying to the victims, lying to courts and judges lying to ministers of all parties over two decades. >> this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to . martin to. martin >> thank you tatiana . now let's
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>> thank you tatiana. now let's get stuck into our exclusive interview with suella braverman . interview with suella braverman. and she's got a stark warning for rishi sunak. she's told the prime minister that the crucial rwanda bill is fundamentally and fatally flawed, and she'll vote against it if he doesn't toughen it up. now next week. and braverman, of course, was speaking to our intrepid political editor, christopher hope, and he joins me now in the studio. chris astonishing stuff on a friday, a bad weekend for rishi had a line that really leapt out at me. um, is the comparison to theresa may's brexit betrayal the spirit of sport and rebellion is alive and kicking . kicking. >> suella braverman gets brexit. i mean , you know, during that, i mean, you know, during that, dunng i mean, you know, during that, during those battles with through the meaningful vote one, two and three, she held firm that it wasn't brexit. one of the 28 spartans who voted against it. and that was enough to whole deal. now, to sink the whole deal. now, this is a bit like that. frankly, martin, we're seeing this to remind viewers and
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this just to remind viewers and listeners there's a vote next week on this rwanda plan . the week on this rwanda plan. the plan to deport illegally arrived migrants from uk to rwanda migrants from the uk to rwanda to africa . um, it passed before to africa. um, it passed before before christmas, 29 tory mps abstained on the promise that it would be hardened up or the hope would be hardened up or the hope would be hardened up or the hope would be hardened, hardened up. um, in the intervening period. well, it hasn't happened yet. so amendments are being put down by rebels suella braverman is rebels and suella braverman is saying sunak doesn't do saying if rishi sunak doesn't do it it and make it it and change it and make it harder , she'll vote against it. harder, she'll vote against it. here's what she had to say to us earlier. >> there are some welcome elements in this third piece of legislation that the government has through to stop the has put through to stop the boats. unfortunately is boats. unfortunately it is fundamentally fatally flawed for two big reasons. fundamentally fatally flawed for two big reasons . firstly, it two big reasons. firstly, it doesn't preclude individual claimants. that's illegal migrants who have come here on the boats from legally challenging through the courts. our powers to detain or to remove them. so what we'll see is wide scale and repetitive
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individual claims being made through the courts time and time again. only to be having the effect of delaying their removal to rwanda. so secondly, it doesn't stop the scenario that we all saw in june 2022, whereby the plane was grounded on the tarmac because a judge in the european court of human rights, at the 11th hour, pursuant to an opaque process where the uk government wasn't even represented, blocked the flight from taking off. and there's nothing in this bill that will prevent that from happening again. >> so the changes you're backing with robert jenrick, your former colleague in the home office , colleague in the home office, and others too, will stop that happen. is that right? these changes we've engaged with the government over several weeks, and we've now tabled several amendments in the name, uh , amendments in the name, uh, largely of robert jenrick, but also of sir bill cash to fix the bill. >> and we're putting them forward in the spirit of
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constructive engagement with the government. they will dramatically reduce the ability of people to thwart court their removal through the courts and they will emphasise and clarify that these pyjama injunctions, these rule 39 orders from the european court are not binding and they will empower a minister, the secretary of state for the home department to direct that these flights can take off. because what we want to see, if we want to stop the boats is regular. uh flights taking off to rwanda with large numbers of passengers , you know, numbers of passengers, you know, a token flight with a handful of people on them on it is not going to stop the boats. we need an effective deterrent. people are coming over in their thousands on the small boats. they need to know that if they get here, they will be detained. they will be put on a plane and they will be removed to rwanda. so we need a large powers and we need to reduce the ability of
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these illegal migrants to block their removal . their removal. >> so chris suella couldn't be any clearer. she cannot act in any clearer. she cannot act in any good conscience back this bill. the key question is who's with her? quite >> and for her, i think words mean something. so when the pm a year ago says stop the boats, she doesn't think the bill as as drafted will stop the boats. it might made a few may take off be taken to rwanda, but not the thousands. she needs to break the model of these people traffickers. so she's been very clear, and it's quite clear clear, and it's been quite clear on of these points of on many of these points of principle. why the principle. that's maybe why the tory like her so tory grassroots like her so much. she won't vote for something won't work. something which won't work. she's that don't she's tired of words that don't mean anything. she's showing to members voters , to supporters members to voters, to supporters in on the tory backbenches, she will do what she says she's going to do. how many more might going to do. how many more might go with her? we don't know. there are 54 tory mps, including her supporting the amendments so far by bill cash and robert jenrick, debated next jenrick, to be debated next week. some of them might it.
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week. some of them might do it. you few dozen to you only need a few dozen to defeat the government, and that's when you may be in a territory. if the government is defeated on this in next wednesday, the labour party might opportunistic party might be an opportunistic party and vote of no and table a vote of no confidence government confidence in the government which down. that which could bring it down. that won't happen. i don't think they'll performative, only, they'll be performative, only, but it's not look looking they'll be performative, only, but it's rdouble look looking they'll be performative, only, but it's rdouble byelections> and even if the rebellion isn't sufficient to stop the bill, there's a huge story in that because she's saying it's fatally flawed . it will get fatally flawed. it will get clogged courts. the clogged in the courts. the lawyers their lawyers will be licking their lips. interview with lips. well, the interview with the interview with gb news right now be written all now will be written on all labour leaflets going to the next election because labour leaflets going to the next say, election because labour leaflets going to the next say, listen,ion because labour leaflets going to the next say, listen, the )ecause labour leaflets going to the next say, listen, the former they'll say, listen, the former home secretary says it's not going work. going to work. >> so why bother voting for the tory party? because labour party is going it. that's a is going to axe it. and that's a problem that rishi sunak has got. putting all eggs got. he's putting all his eggs into basket hoping that into one basket and hoping that this plan works in may. how >> whatever >> how damaged, whatever happens . sunak . do you think rishi sunak is going be by this? it's going going to be by this? it's going to be a huge, huge moment. on wednesday, he's had a lot of
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wobbles. the fatal one? >> not fatal. i can't see him being replaced before the next general election. i can't see him going early him either. going early for general like general election, tory mps like turkeys, don't vote for christmas. do think it's christmas. but i do think it's an unwelcome distraction. he wants to get through. he wants us to get through. he believes it. asks for believes in it. he asks for bright ideas accrington bright ideas in accrington stanley club monday. bright ideas in accrington stanigot club monday. bright ideas in accrington stanigot some club monday. bright ideas in accrington stanigot some ideas) monday. bright ideas in accrington stanigot some ideas overmonday. bright ideas in accrington stanigot some ideas over the day. he's got some ideas over the weekend to at in these weekend to look at in these amendments. will take amendments. which will he take to try quell this rebellion? to try and quell this rebellion? well suella said, got some well suella said, we've got some bright wee bit, i think, is >> the wee bit, i think, is interesting. she name tracked robert the . immigration robert jenrick, the. immigration minister. of course, former immigration minister who resigned over this bill is that the beginning of an axis of power of the revolt? do you think power. think that power. >> they got the same >> certainly they got the same interest i mean, interest on this one. i mean, robert meant be robert jenrick was meant to be a kind of on suella braverman kind of spy on suella braverman for pm rishi sunak, because for the pm rishi sunak, because of course, he he with sunak jenrick and sunak and one other i came out to support um i think came out to support um bofis i think came out to support um boris johnson in 2019 and tipped the away from jeremy the balance away from jeremy hunt so thought that hunt. so they all thought that sunak , that forgive me, jenrick sunak, that forgive me, jenrick was right. well he's was a sunak. right. well he's
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not this issue. and whether not on this issue. and whether they're wedded on other they're wedded together on other areas but he had areas like tax. but he has had a haircut, lost weight and is for also running maybe against suella braverman for leadership. so play. martin so it's all in play. martin >> he's very, very clear. >> and he's very, very clear. this work. it's this bill will not work. it's a betrayal of the british people. again, that word betrayal key dunng again, that word betrayal key during the brexit referendum. we are very, very strong rhetoric. >> we're very much back to brexit. we're very much back to that mv3 meaningful vote three stage back in march 2019. i've gone grey since then. i mean, it was hard work. we all have. it was hard work. we all have. it was hard work. i mean, but it is the heart of this is let's stop talking about it. let's deliver it. and she would say, miss braverman, i'm sorry, it's braverman, i'm sorry, pm it's not how to not working. here's how to improve . i can't all improve. i can't in all conscience support it . of course conscience support it. of course the would this will work. the pm would say this will work. give it a try. it's better to do this because the left of the party accept going harder. party won't accept going harder. rwanda won't want anything rwanda won't want to do anything which treaty which will collapse this treaty as they've so is as they've signed. so this is the sunak might say. the answer. mr sunak might say. >> the fascinating thing >> and the fascinating thing last time the proud 28, as she
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calls him the spartans of brexit, who vote against the brexit, who did vote against the brexit, who did vote against the brexit bill as it was then, um, became , um, the rump of the new became, um, the rump of the new tory right. is that the game plan this time the same spartans will regroup after a general election and make a play to be that true conservative red meat. no mood that the nation seems to want some of the nation wants. >> not all the nation. martin. i think that there's a view that the tory right is always split in a leadership election. and this question is who they gather around. there's no question of suella braverman was the standard for the right in suella braverman was the starlasti for the right in suella braverman was the starlast election.or the right in the last election. >> superb. >> superb. >> now, chris, know you put >> now, chris, i know you put a huge amount of homework and legwork and man, hours into this interview. did. interview. yeah yes i did. >> i texting suella >> i was texting suella braverman on christmas eve to get my get the interview. so i do my best gb news at all points best for gb news at all points at ten midnight. it's quite at ten to midnight. it's quite late now. >> that is dedication crystals absolutely this is the absolutely worth it. this is the debate to watch next week and you'll in the tone of super you'll say in the tone of super workmate, most valuable player on at moment, on the show at the moment, superb. now we get reaction on
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suella bravermans comments from an a little an immigration lawyer a little later hour. will they be later this hour. will they be licking their lips if this does get through and there's get voted through and there's plenty coverage our plenty of coverage on our website at gbnews.com, and you've it the you've helped to make it the fastest growing national news website in country. thank website in the country. thank you now, houthi you very much. now, houthi rebels have vowed revenge after uk us air strikes on uk and us air strikes on military facilities used by the group in yemen. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel .
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military facilities in yemen. hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets of the yemeni capital sanaa after the rebels confirmed that five houthi members were killed and six were injured in last night's attacks. let's speak now to gb news home and security editor mark white. mark can you bring us up to date on some breaking news? >> uh, yes. some word coming through from the ukmto , which is through from the ukmto, which is an organisation that monitors, uh, security issues for marine traffic in hotspots around the world. they're reporting an incident, uh, about 90, not nautical miles off aden in yemen. that appears to involve of an oil tanker, but no more detail than that at a shipping in the area. are being urged to, uh, be very cautious to look out for anything suspicious. and of course, to report that to maritime authorities . there are maritime authorities. there are coalition warships in that area, as we know , british warship hms
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as we know, british warship hms diamond is, uh, one type 23 frigate. another uh, june uh, to join them as well as, of course, the us shipping uh warships that are in that area at the moment as well, offering some kind of protection and reassurance to the merchant vessels that are passing through that busy shipping lane. but clearly, if this is another incident that has been launched by the houthi rebels towards commercial shipping, uh, then that is a real concern because the hope, the expected mission from prime minister rishi sunak and his us counterparts in launching the operation last night was , uh, a operation last night was, uh, a protracted or not a protracted, i should say, uh, a measure and, uh, operation , uh, that was uh, operation, uh, that was limited in nature . uh, that limited in nature. uh, that would send a message to the
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houthi rebels. this is what rishi sunak said. he's on a visit to ukraine at the moment. but he spoke, of course, about this crisis. this is what he said about the aims of that operation last night . over the operation last night. over the last month, we've seen a significant increase in the number of houthi attacks on commercial shipping in the red sea. >> that's putting innocent lives at risk. it's disrupting the global economy, and it's also, uh, destabilising the region. and in that time , we've also and in that time, we've also seen the single biggest attack back on a navy warship, a british navy warship that we've seen in decades. now, it's clear that that type of behaviour can't carry on. that's why we joined with allies in issuing very public condemnation of this behaviour . very public condemnation of this behaviour. and it's why i made the decision with allies to take what i believe to be necessary, proportionate and targeted action against military targets to degrade and disrupt houthi capability . we won't hesitate to capability. we won't hesitate to
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protect lives and ensure the safety of commercial shipping . safety of commercial shipping. >> so worth repeating that breaking news that we're getting , uh, from the red sea, about 90 nautical miles from the port of aden in yemen . uh, reports that aden in yemen. uh, reports that at a vessel, commercial ship has been involved in some kind of an incident. the details are still coming through. we don't know too much about what has occurred in that area, but other commercial shipping in the area are being asked to be vigilant, to look out for anything suspicious and of course, to report that to maritime authorities as, uh, to the coalition of course, who are out there protecting these shipping lanes, this comes, as i say, just after the strikes that took place last night. uh that were carried out by the uk and the us . uh, and if confirmed , it would
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. uh, and if confirmed, it would be the first incident launched by the houthi rebels in the wake of the strikes against them. >> okay. mike white, thank you for bringing us up to speed on the spiralling situation in the middle east. thank you very much. and of course, what's going on in the middle east could have a huge impact on the economy here in britain. and gb news economics and business editor liam halligan joins me now studio with on the now in the studio with on the money . so, liam, always a money. so, liam, always a pleasure to have you in the studio. the situation is escalating out over there and an oil tanker being boarded that feeds into what you've been saying since the very, very beginning . a key key, vital beginning. a key key, vital shipping route, oil at the pinch point. and now situation is escalating further. what would that mean for the british economy? >> well, the former world heavyweight champion , heavyweight boxing champion, mike once said, everyone's mike tyson once said, everyone's got a plan until you get a punch in the face. >> and rishi sunak's plan has
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been to allow inflation to keep coming that the coming down to hope that the bank england starts lowering bank of england starts lowering interest soon, adding to interest rates soon, adding to the falls. we've already seen in mortgage rates and the rates on other commercial loans generating an economic feel good factor, allowing growth to get going. if not to beat labour because labour are way ahead in the opinion polls at least the opinion polls than at least to limit the damage. and that plan that economy is going plan that the economy is going to , that inflation is to improve, that inflation is falling, cost of living falling, the cost of living crisis is easing. it could be scuppered these geo political scuppered by these geo political whizz bangs that we've been seeing since mid—december, with attacks on shipping freight, particularly oil tankers, going through the suez canal on the red sea and now, of course, concerns about the straits of hormuz. the entrance way into and out of the persian gulf. after that, us tanker was hijacked by iranian forces yesterday. these concerns , yesterday. these concerns, martin, are being shown in global oil markets now. oil hasn't spiked as much as many of us thought it would, but it's still up at about $80 a barrel now, up from about $70 before
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christmas , having gone up 4 or christmas, having gone up 4 or 5% over the last 24 hours. the reason oil hasn't spiked even more is because the americans are releasing crude from their strategic petroleum reserves. the saudis, that linchpin producer, are saying, we're going to flood global markets with oil, but still , as sure as with oil, but still, as sure as eggs is, eggs , petrol and diesel eggs is, eggs, petrol and diesel pnces eggs is, eggs, petrol and diesel prices are going to go up. because what we've seen on global oil markets after the last 24 hours. but let's hope there's not a real energy price spike, and let's hope there's not reversal in this narrative not a reversal in this narrative of falling inflation, falling interest , improving interest rates, improving economy because suddenly another war in a in a land far, far away becomes an issue in british purses and pockets and wallets. >> because if oil and gas go up, the price of everything goes up. >> i can't stress enough how important oil and gas remains to western economies , particularly western economies, particularly to the uk, which is a net energy importer. we still rely on oil and gas for wait for it. 75% of
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our energy needs . if you include our energy needs. if you include not just electricity generation, but also transportation as well. and then of course, oil is used in all kinds of petrochemical processes to creation of plastics. all kinds of materials, all kinds of industrial processes. so it's still enormously important, but look, i'm not saying that interest rates are going to start going up again. i'm not saying that inflation is going to start spiking again. i'm not even saying that, you know, oil pnces even saying that, you know, oil prices are definitely going to rise all i am saying is that global markets now are fixated on whether or not these tensions in these two global pinch points , the suez canal , which , the suez canal, which obviously goes from the middle east into the mediterranean and europe , european markets and the europe, european markets and the straits of hormuz, 2000km to the east of that. the other side of the persian gulf. the entrance into and out of the persian gulf , through which 25% of the world's oil supply flows every
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single day. if those two pinch points are disrupted because there's too much, you know, fighting , too much violence, too fighting, too much violence, too much risks , freight shipping much risks, freight shipping lines can't get insurance. they can't use those waterways. it's going to add to distances. you're going to have to have freight going around the horn of africa. adding you know, weeks and millions and millions of dollars. 5000 mile detour that is going to lead to inflation. i'm not saying that the falling inflation or falling interest rates story is over. i'm not saying that at all. the likelihood is it will continue. and rishi sunak can wait until the next general election and the next general election and the economy will improve. what i am is that there are am saying now is that there are concerns narrative could be reversed. >> okay, talk about a punch in the face. um, we did have some gdp figures out this morning. some they may be somewhat overtaken by events, but nevertheless we have quick nevertheless we have a quick blast through indeed blast through them. indeed >> let's have a >> very quickly, let's have a quick at graphic. the gdp quick look at a graphic. the gdp numbers out this morning. numbers came out this morning. that gross domestic product . that is gross domestic product. the all goods and services. the
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growth in growth of all transactions in the in october, we saw the economy in october, we saw a reduction in gdp of 0.3, a contraction . and then in contraction. and then in november, the latest numbers, which came out this morning, there was a reversal of that and an expansion of gdp of nought point 3. so the uk economy is flatlining. that's not too bad by international standards. we know the eurozone is in recession. that's successive quarters of economic contraction. we're not quite in that state at this point. why did gdp expand in november ? did gdp expand in november? mainly because of retail sales of consumer goods in the run up to christmas. a lot of people seeing their mortgage rates fall , feeling a bit better about life after two tough years since lockdown . but also we had lockdown. but also we had contractions in the construction sector and manufacture was quite weak as well. unfortunately so look, the uk economy , it isn't look, the uk economy, it isn't falling, it isn't contracting. it's actually showing some signs of life. let's hope martin, that we don't get that smack in the mouth courtesy of mike tyson or
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anyone else. and the plan for the economy to improve and interest rates to keep falling is actually really good. >> absolutely magnificent. as eveh >> absolutely magnificent. as ever. liam halligan, thanks for joining the studio and joining us in the studio and summing summing up complicated stuff it so stuff and making it so digestible. the best in digestible. you're the best in the there's more the business. there's lots more still between now and still to come between now and 5:00 few minutes. suella 5:00 in a few minutes. suella braverman sunak risks braverman says rishi sunak risks betraying the british people if he fails to stop the boats will break down that story shortly. but your latest but first, here's your latest news headlines tatiana news headlines with tatiana sanchez. >> martin, thank you very much. for 31. this is the latest the government in yemen says houthi rebels are responsible for dragging the country into military confrontation . in it military confrontation. in it follows joint strikes by the uk and the us overnight in response to attacks on ships in the red sea, downing street says the attacks are lawful and proportionate. however, a spokesman for the militant group says they will continue to block the passage of ships in the
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region . in ukraine, rishi sunak region. in ukraine, rishi sunak says he's proud to sign a new agreement with the country to provide £2.5 billion of new military aid. it's britain's largest annual commitment since russia's invasion. the prime minister made the announcement dunng minister made the announcement during a surprise visit to kyiv with the package including long—range missiles , air defence long—range missiles, air defence and artillery shells. mr sunak says if britain wavers in its support of ukraine, it would embolden president putin and his allies in north korea, iran and elsewhere . a mother and her elsewhere. a mother and her former partner have been sentenced to life for the murder of her 18 month old son in kent. but alfie philip suffered 70 injuries to his body at the hands of his mother, sian hedges, and her ex—boyfriend jack benham. in 2020, mr benham must serve a minimum tum of 23 years, while mrs. hedges must serve a minimum tum of 19 years. in the us , the aviation in the us, the aviation regulator says it will look carefully at boeing's production
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lines and suppliers after a panel flew off a new 737 max nine aircraft mid—flight. it comes as the country's aviation authorities said there are other manufactured problems at the company. last week, an alaska airlines plane had to make an emergency landing with 177 people on board. luckily no one was hurt . you can get more on was hurt. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gbnews.com . our website, gbnews.com. >> thank you. tatiana now let's get more from our exclusive interview with suella braverman and she told our political edhoh and she told our political editor, christopher hope , that editor, christopher hope, that pretending the rwanda bill in its current form will work is a betrayal to the british public. >> i advocated for many of these measures 12 months ago when i was home secretary . the prime was home secretary. the prime minister refused to accept them. then he's come some way forward .
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then he's come some way forward. he's now introduced a third bill. as i say, with some of those measures. but unfortunately it's lacking in the essential things that are going to make this bill work , going to make this bill work, that are going to stop the boats. so we've got some bright ideas. we've engaged constructively. we want this bill to work it currently does not. and to pretend otherwise, i'm afraid, does a disservice to the british public. it amounts to a betrayal to the british public. i want to stop the boats. i want this government to stop the boats. it's got a chance to do that. and that's why i'm urging the prime minister to accept our amendments so that we can work together to fix this bill and stop boats. well let's get stop the boats. well let's get some reaction to that. >> i'm now joined by ivan sampson, who's an immigration lawyer who joins us on the show, i think, dubai . thanks for i think, from dubai. thanks for joining ivan suella joining us. ivan suella braverman in fighting talk. they're saying this bill does not work as it stands , it's far not work as it stands, it's far better to defeat it and start a game. but a key point is, she
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says in its current form, no flights will ever leave and it will be simply clogged in the courts . as an immigration courts. as an immigration lawyer, what's your response to that ? that? >> i never thought i'd agree with suella braverman, but she's absolutely right . absolutely right. >> um, i'm afraid it will, because as the european courts have ultimately be the those being removed, rwanda can get into , um, injunctions from the into, um, injunctions from the european courts, which is what happened last time. now, the bill does envisage that and says ministers can overrule that . but ministers can overrule that. but what they'd be doing, there'll be a conflict between domestic legislation and our international obligations and to international obligations and to international treaties . also, international treaties. also, um, the courts. this is the interesting the courts have said we don't trust rwanda's assurances. and so what the government is saying is by putting it into a bill, it suddenly means the courts have to trust that rwanda's assurances about the principle of non—refoulement . and i'm of non—refoulement. and i'm
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afraid i'm not sure the courts will do that. i hope the courts are brave enough to say it's not enough. if they didn't accept the assurances before, then why is it by putting on a statutory footing to say they will do that now? so, um , i'm not sure this now? so, um, i'm not sure this bill is going to work. now? so, um, i'm not sure this bill is going to work . what bill is going to work. what suella braverman want is for us to come out of the european convention, probably come out of the refugee convention itself , the refugee convention itself, allowing us to pretty much , uh, allowing us to pretty much, uh, remove every single person who is crossing the channel to. and it's irregular migration is not illegal. um, those who are coming across the channel in an irregular way to remove every single person. this is it, though. the biggest pull factor that brings to the uk that brings people to the uk across the channel is family. not because of a better life or whatever. it's family that bnngs whatever. it's family that brings them there because they're fleeing persecution. uh fleeing terrible circumstances there in fleeing civil war. and and, uh, and they're coming in because they know people here.
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that's the most of the people that come across . that come across. >> well, that might be one of the pull factors. a lot of people might say it's other things, such as free health care, free hotels and a very small likelihood you will ever be returned. that's the be returned. and that's the point . this be returned. and that's the point. this meant to be point. this bill is meant to be a solution. and suella braverman is very clear that in its existing format, um, people like yourself , ivan will be existing format, um, people like yourself, ivan will be licking yourself, ivan will be licking your lips. there are so many loopholes and so many clauses that will allow you to stop those flights ever leaving, she is saying more radical things need to be done, such as circumventing european law, circumventing european law, circumventing the european court of human rights with a more robust british constitution. but if she were to try that, well, for starters, the tory party will probably vote it down. but if it were to get through, presumably people like yourself would be taking that on anyway. well what i will say is this is that the european convention on human rights and strasbourg itself, it's . underpins two
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itself, it's. underpins two major treaties that we're part of . of. >> one is the international trade cooperation underpins and the good friday agreement i mean, suella braverman is very narrow in her thinking. she doesn't really understand the law. unfortunate and the impact of her propositions. so it's a lot more complex and simply saying, let's just avoid let's not even apply european law because it's politically , uh, because it's politically, uh, convenient to do so . um, no, i'm convenient to do so. um, no, i'm afraid we're members or we are under the jurisdiction of the european court. we are part of the european convention. human rights. and we've got to comply with our obligations under those treaties . treaties. >> but if that legislation and if those european courts are used simply to prevent that, the will of the british people, the british people have voted in every election since 2010 to take back control of our borders. >> and whether you agree with rwanda or not, and clearly, as
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an individual, as a lawyer, you do not. but it is a solution being put forward. and there is this this continual frustration that the attempts to take back control of our borders are stymied by international courts and by immigration lawyers . and by immigration lawyers. >> no, it's the home office is timing it. i disagree with you. look, taking back control of our borders is to stop unlawful migration. it's to stop people who are not genuine asylum seekers . and what the government seekers. and what the government does when someone does come over here who is not genuine is they don't remove them when someone does come over here, which doesn't have a an asylum case which meets the tenets of the refugee convention, they continue staying here. they should be removed. we should be having international treaties with other countries to remove these people. if you're genuine , these people. if you're genuine, you should be allowed to stay. so there is a distinction between what you call as unlawful migration and those who are genuine asylum seekers, which should be entitled to come and seek sanctuary in the uk.
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>> yeah, but you must accept that, um, a great many people are schooled and instructed to dispose of their documentation to cook up a story and to say what will get through the system . and we have one of the highest acceptance rates of asylum in all of the world. it's running at like 76. so we do have a soft system. this room . and the law system. this room. and the law is meant to be a solution. and yet here we are again. it's looks like it would be stymied and frustrated by european courts and by lawyers and the home office who who many people think aren't fighting, aren't, aren't singing from the same hymn sheet as the government . hymn sheet as the government. >> well, you're right about the soft system. you're absolutely right. who who actually . um, put right. who who actually. um, put the soft system together. it was suella braverman priti patel and theresa may before that. so the people to blame is we need to have systems and processes and training and the staff to weed out these people , catch them,
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out these people, catch them, remove them , get them out of our remove them, get them out of our country. don't blame people for coming over to the uk because that will never stop when people are desperate, they do desperate things. but what we have do things. but what we have to do is systems and processes in is have systems and processes in place to identify them, catch them , detain them and remove them, detain them and remove them. there's your solution. okay >> ivan samson, immigration lawyer, thank you very much for joining us on gb news this afternoon. much much appreciated. now there's a big development today and the post office scandal. the bbc says it was threatened and lied to in 2015 before broadcasting a programme with a horizon whistle blower. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news
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sunday mornings from 930 on gb news . welcome back. news. welcome back. >> it's 445. you're watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news at 5:00. we'll bring you our exclusive live explosive interview with suella braverman. you won't want to miss that. now to the latest on the post office saga and a lawyer for the institution has finally apologised to the inquiry into the horizon it scandal. i'm joined now by our reporter charlie peters to discuss this further. charlie always a pleasure, mate . every day this pleasure, mate. every day this nightmare gets worse for the post office. and those awaiting justice and retribution. what's the latest ? the latest? >> well, the latest is that
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chris jackson has said. >> i'm sorry, and he's apologised for the post office suboptimal provision of documents relating to inquiry. >> this comes after in december, the post office said that all of the post office said that all of the documents relating to stephen bradshaw, an investigator, had been submitted. >> but then last friday, the post office said a further 924 needed to be submitted . and this needed to be submitted. and this comes in a wider context of a failure to submit that information with the lead lawyer for the inquiry saying that the post office was standing in the way of the inquiry and preventing progress . so the preventing progress. so the process has been delayed. it has been slow. late last year, the testimony from key witnesses had to be delayed because the post office discovered about . 363,000 office discovered about. 363,000 emails on an old system that hadnt emails on an old system that hadn't been used since 2012. and in one instance, some 421
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documents were delivered on a friday night, leaving lawyers ponng friday night, leaving lawyers poring over them over the weekend before the inquiry reopened on monday for next week's testimony . jason bere, week's testimony. jason bere, the kc and the lead counsel for the kc and the lead counsel for the inquiry, has also pointed out the post office flawed approach to disclosure, revealing shockingly , that just revealing shockingly, that just 2.82% of the 402,000 documents had been shared with the inquiry . and that's what chris jackson, the lead lawyer for the post office , was apologising for office, was apologising for today. further, the duplication of previously submitted documents has also been a problem with the king's counsel. beer saying that one document was submitted 50 times and chorley, the bbc allegations of the horizon program was what's the horizon program was what's the story on that? >> so panorama had a program in
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2015, one of the first investigations into this long running saga. >> of course, from 1999 to 2015, some 700 employees of the post office, those self—employed, postman , oysters were prosecuted postman, oysters were prosecuted and one of the first whistleblowers to share details of that scandal spoke to the bbc in 2015, and the organiser has last night revealed some of the threats that it received , not threats that it received, not only from the post office , but only from the post office, but also from former employees and those investigators. they said that threatening communications had been sent to those involved, including those who were in communication with with the bbc. they also said that neither the staff nor those at fujitsu, the company that built the horizon system, could remotely access horizon, which of course had involved in altered payments . involved in altered payments. that led to the controversy that was not what was being revealed in the panorama expose , directly
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in the panorama expose, directly contradicting what the evidence showed . and also lawyers for the showed. and also lawyers for the post office sent letters threatening to sue panorama and the companies public relations boss, mark davies , after he boss, mark davies, after he escalated complaints to ever more senior bbc manager. now the post office has declined to comment on these revelations or the public inquiry is ongoing and charlie, yesterday the post office were accused of acting like mafia gangsters. >> the revelation they were even bullying the bbc will surely only add to that. >> yeah, and this is the accusation that i think we're going to hear a lot more of as this inquiry continues. but after chris jackson apologised this morning, that inquiry will first have to have all the evidence in front of it. and with just 2.82% of that significant batch of documents seen, many of those in that inquiry are saying that it just cannot be done . cannot be done. >> okay. charlie peters , thank >> okay. charlie peters, thank you very much for bringing us up
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to speed on the latest in the post office scandal. thank you. now to a story that could lead to payouts for millions of motorists and could cost companies for £30 billion. that's right . the financial that's right. the financial conduct authority is looking at whether people who bought a car or van on finance before 2021 were overcharged , charged. the were overcharged, charged. the city regulator will decide if motorists should receive compensation and financial experts martin lewis has said the final payout could be similar to the ppi scandal, which cost banks £40 billion and sent the economy into recession. now joining me now to discuss this is the motoring journalist danny kelly. danny always a pleasure and never a chore . a pleasure and never a chore. a lot of people will be hearing this and thinking, what on earth is going on? so in essence, what's the so—called scandal about here? >> okay, in essence , martin, if >> okay, in essence, martin, if you purchased a car on hire
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purchase or maybe a pcp deal on finance, basically prior to 2021, and the broker who is the car dealer. >> so as a used car dealer, i introduced my customers to a lender. the broker and i get a kickback for that introduction. since 2021, it's been incredibly transparent and clear what that kickback is. and i'll give you an example. on a ten grand loan, it might be something like 4 or £500. we make the customer aware of that prior to 2021, if the broker aka the used or the new car dealer didn't explain to the customer the relationship between the lender and me, for example , as a used car dealer, example, as a used car dealer, typically we would say lenders pay typically we would say lenders pay us a fee for introducing okay, but what the financial ombudsman now is , is finding ombudsman now is, is finding against banks is that if a customer was in possession of exactly the relationship between how much they get for commission kickbacks, then that might make them think about whether they're
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being , uh, them think about whether they're being, uh, being treated fairly . being, uh, being treated fairly. um, so what the financial ombudsman now wants to have a used car dealers say is that we receive payments for arranging the loan in two ways. the part of the commission, it was it would receive was tied to the interest rate, which it would select in a predetermined range. and then second part of our and then the second part of our kickback the amount money kickback is the amount of money borrowed. car dealers borrowed. now, what car dealers would do, martin, say you came into my showroom and you wanted to 15 car. you've to buy a 15 grand car. you've got rating. so i got good credit rating. so i would go to a bank and say, here's daubney. we'd would go to a bank and say, here's you daubney. we'd would go to a bank and say, here's you and ubney. we'd would go to a bank and say, here's you and barclayse'd would go to a bank and say, here's you and barclays because propose you and barclays because that's one of the banks in question. they would okay, question. they would say, okay, dan, sell that 15 k car dan, you can sell that 15 k car to daubney at a 5% flat, to mr daubney at a 5% flat, roughly 10% and i would get roughly 10% apr. and i would get a kickback for that. but what a used car dealer would do, they would that they would increase that 5% and they would increase that 5% and they would greedy and they'd maybe would be greedy and they'd maybe sell it to you at 8 or 9. now, had you known that, you could have gotit had you known that, you could have got it for 5, then that that would have made you think twice about purchasing the car for me. and this is where the ambiguity that murky
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ambiguity is. it's in that murky relationship between what car relationship between what a car dealer you. the finance dealer can sell you. the finance for, what he actually sells for, and what he actually sells you.the for, and what he actually sells you. the finance for now , that's you. the finance for now, that's all well and good, so long as i tell mr daubney, you're tell you, mr daubney, you're paying tell you, mr daubney, you're paying 9. but could get it paying 9. but we could get it for you. 5. are you happy paying for 9? you. 5. ar e you hap py pa yin 9 for you. 5. are you happy paying 9? if you say i'm happy paying 9, then you've got no comeback. but why would you? >> okay, danny . so a lot of >> okay, danny. so a lot of people listening to this will think only got a quick think we've only got a quick minute here that we're thinking, well, me. i mean, well, this is me. i mean, i actually buy a car in this actually did buy a car in this period. can is there period. how can i claim is there a way of getting compensation yet? >> uh, no. not yet. uh, there's going to be a 8 or 9 week moratorium now where people have been asked not actually put been asked not to actually put in a claim. i can tell you what is going to happen. martin the television adverts will be flooding stations flooding tv shows and stations with, with uh, with, uh, what the lawyers win, no fee. the lawyers on a no win, no fee. they were the words was they were the words i was looking for. and there will be thousands of people back. thousands of people going back. i've back in i've heard of someone back in 2012. martin now wondering whether they could have a whether they could have got a cheaper it's cheaper interest rate. and it's all with that mercury
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all to do with that mercury relationship. and how greedy used can be, because used car dealers can be, because they're paying one rate for finance and they're they're loading it up. sometimes doubung loading it up. sometimes doubling and the customer doubling it. and the customer signs on dotted line, and it signs on the dotted line, and it puts in financial trouble. puts them in financial trouble. it's pleased happened it's i'm pleased it's happened because some car dealers because some used car dealers have taking mickey okay. >> danny carey superb as ever. thank you for that. that certainly involves that will certainly involves me. that will interest of out interest a lot of people out there. those going there. get those claims going in. okay. we've got the huge exclusive from suella braverman coming after this don't miss exclusive from suella braverman comi|i'm after this don't miss exclusive from suella braverman comi|i'm martin this don't miss exclusive from suella braverman comi|i'm martin daubneyi't miss exclusive from suella braverman comi|i'm martin daubney on �*niss exclusive from suella braverman comi|i'm martin daubney on gb; that. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb solar sponsors of weather on. gb news afternoon. >> welcome to your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. i'm alex deakin . the cold theme continues deakin. the cold theme continues this weekend . most places will this weekend. most places will be dry , but there will be a few be dry, but there will be a few showers around and it's going to turn more wintry across the north by sunday. that's as a cold weather front approaches that will mix things up. high
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>> good afternoon. it's 5 pm. welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news broadcasting live from the heart of westminster. all across the uk. today we've got an exclusive interview with suella braverman. it's explosive live, the former home secretary has warned the prime minister that he will face yet another revolt if changes are not made to the rwanda bill, ahead of a we need an effective deterrent. >> people are coming over in their thousands on the small boats. they need to know that if they get here, they will be detained. they will be put on a plane and they will be removed to rwanda and the uk and us have launched missile strikes against houthi rebel groups in yemen . houthi rebel groups in yemen. >> and retaliation already seems to have started. details are on the way and it's friday, so let's all go to the boozer. yes, i'm going to take us all to the pub of the year. that's all. in
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your next hour . an astonishing your next hour. an astonishing exclusive that chris hope got with suella braverman. she is saying that the rwanda bill betrays britain . the echoing betrays britain. the echoing language of brexit. remember she was one of the spartans who stood against brexit. now she's saying she's going to do the same again unless this rwanda bill is amended ahead of a crucial, crucial vote for rishi sunak next wednesday. the battle lines are drawn. the tories are revolting. let me know what you think about all of this email me gbviews@gbnews.uk . com or the gbviews@gbnews.uk. com or the usual ways. but first, here's your latest news headlines with tatiana sanchez . tatiana sanchez. >> martin, thank you very much and good afternoon. your top stories from the gb newsroom , stories from the gb newsroom, the uk's maritime organisation
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is warning vessels to sail with caution after reports of a new attack on a ship south—east of yemen's port of aden . this yemen's port of aden. this latest report is the first incident and security warning since the overnight us, uk joint strikes on houthi rebels . the strikes on houthi rebels. the government in yemen says the rebels are responsible for dragging the country into military confrontation . however, military confrontation. however, a spokesman for the militant group says they'll continue to block the passage of ships in the region . in the uk, the prime the region. in the uk, the prime minister says britain needs to send a strong signal that houthi rebel attacks the red sea are rebel attacks in the red sea are wrong someone take wrong, and someone must take responsibility . responsibility. >> our aim is very clear it's to de—escalate tensions and to restore stability to the region . restore stability to the region. and that's why allies over the past few weeks have issued several statements of condemnation of what's happening, calling on the houthis to desist . indeed, just houthis to desist. indeed, just this week we've seen a un security council resolution condemning what's happening and saying that states have a right to self—defence . we have acted
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to self—defence. we have acted in self—defence . hence it's in self—defence. hence it's incumbent now on the houthis to stop carrying out these attacks, putting lives at risk putting people's lives at risk in ukraine. >> rishi sunak says he's proud to sign a new agreement with the country to provide £2.5 billion of new military aid. it's britain's largest annual commitment since russia's invasion. the prime minister made the announcement during a surprise visit to kyiv with the package including long—range missiles , air defence and missiles, air defence and artillery shells . ukraine's artillery shells. ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy says the agreement helped secure his country's future. >> john lydon . >> john lydon. >> john lydon. >> today, the history of europe has changed and ukraine and the uk have entered into a new, unprecedented security agreement. this is not just a declaration, this is a reality that will come to life thanks to our cooperation , thanks to our cooperation, thanks to security guarantees from a prominent global force, the great britain . and the former great britain. and the former home secretary says the rwanda
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bill, set to be debated in the commons next week, doesn't hold water and won't stop the boats. >> speaking exclusively to gb news, her first tv interview since being sacked , suella since being sacked, suella braverman said the government must introduce tougher measures . must introduce tougher measures. >> what we want to see if we want to stop the boats is regular, uh, flights taking off to rwanda with large numbers of passengers, you know, a token flight with a handful of people on them on it is not going to stop the boats. we need an effective deterrent . people are effective deterrent. people are coming over in their thousands on the small boats. they need to know that if they get here, they will be detained. they will be put on a plane and they will be removed to rwanda . removed to rwanda. >> it comes as new home office figures show no migrants have crossed the english for channel 26 days. that's the longest gap in small boat crossings for five years, and is likely caused by poor weather conditions .
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poor weather conditions. a mother and her former partner have been sentenced to life for the murder of her 18 month old son in kent , the murder of her 18 month old son in kent, but alfie philip suffered 70 injuries to his body at the hands of his mother, sian hedges , and her ex—boyfriend hedges, and her ex—boyfriend jack benham. in 2020, mr benham must serve a minimum tum of 23 years while miss hedges must serve a minimum tum of 19 years. gb news is south—east of england reporter ray addison has been at the sentencing at maidstone crown court , justice kavanagh crown court, justice kavanagh said that neither benham nor hedges have ever been truthful about what happened. >> that night, both claiming to not have been present. when little alfie received his injuries and then subsequently blaming each other. sian hedges cried as the judge detailed the myriad of terrible injuries alfie would have suffered during what he described as a frenzied attack and then, as she was led from the dock, she screamed that benham had taken her son, ray addison gb news, as. >> a lawyer acting for the post office has apologised for delays
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in the disclosure of documents to the inquiry into the horizon. it scandal. chris jackson told the inquiry the post office wants to help reveal the truth and facts behind the fault, which led to hundreds of people being wrongfully convicted of theft. former post office minister and current liberal democrat leader sir ed davey says the company lied to everyone. allegations which the firm denies . firm denies. >> it all told me the same thing that the horizon system was working, that there weren't that many subpostmasters involved and it was clearly a conspiracy of lies. and what's become clear throughout this, through itv programme and from others , is programme and from others, is that the post office were lying to the subpostmasters, lying to the victims, lying to courts and judges, lying to ministers of all parties over two decades. those are the top stories on gb news across the uk on tv, in your car , on digital radio and your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying
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play on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. >> now back to . martin. thank >> now back to. martin. thank you tatiana. >> now we start with our explosive exclusive interview with suella braverman, and she's got a stark warning for rishi sunak at the prime minister. she's told the pm that the crucial rwanda bill is, quote, fundamentally and fatally flawed and that she will vote against it if he doesn't toughen it up. well, braverman was speaking to our intrepid political editor, christopher hope, and he joins me now in the studio. chris, another cracking exclusive from you, suella. absolutely fully guns blazing here. and a line that leapt out to me. this amounts to a betray all. and she talked about theresa may's brexit betrayal of course, she was one of those 28 spartans that resolutely voted against it. the question is, she said, she's going to vote for vote against this and she will. but
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how big could the rebellion be? who's with her? >> well, she says to us that dozens of ministers tell her quietly that this wonder bill won't work . now, quietly that this wonder bill won't work. now, number 10 disputes that says will work disputes that says it will work will that people arriving will mean that people arriving illegally by small boats will be deported back to rwanda and processed there . she thinks it processed there. she thinks it won't that the mention won't work, and that the mention there of brexit is what's at the heart this. she she's of heart of this. she she's one of these thinks that if you these mps who thinks that if you say you do it. so say something, you do it. so a year ago the pm said, i will stop boats . she thinks this stop the boats. she thinks this won't stop the boats, therefore i can't support a i can't support it. it's a principle position. it's one which spartan which those 28 spartan brexiteers about . brexit in brexiteers took about. brexit in 2019. but when she earlier, you'll see the passion in her voice and how she was, she definitely is not going anywhere unless this bill is changed. she's down. here's she's voting it down. here's what say . what she had to say. >> there some welcome >> there are some welcome elements in this third piece of legislation that the government has put through to stop the boats unfortunate . it is boats unfortunate. it is fundamentally, . flawed
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fundamentally, fatally. flawed for two big reasons. fundamentally, fatally. flawed for two big reasons . firstly, it for two big reasons. firstly, it doesn't not preclude individual claimants. that's illegal migrants who have come here on the boats from legally challenging through the courts our powers to detain or to remove them. so what we'll see is why scale and repetitive of individual claims being made through the courts time and time again, only having the effect of delaying their removal to rwanda. secondly it doesn't stop the scenario that we all saw in june 2022 whereby the plane was grounded on the tarmac because a judge in the european court of human rights, at the 11th hour, pursuant to an opaque process where the uk government wasn't even represented . by locked the even represented. by locked the flight from taking off. and there's nothing in this bill that will prevent that from happening again. >> so the changes that you're backing with robert jenrick , backing with robert jenrick, your former colleague in the home office, and others too,
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will stop that happen. is that right? these changes we've engaged with the government over several weeks and we've now tabled several amendments in the name , largely of robert jenrick, name, largely of robert jenrick, but also of sir bill cash to fix the bill. >> and we're putting them forward in the spirit of constructive engagement with the government. they will dramatically reduce the ability of people to thwart their removal through the courts and they will emphasise and clarify that these pyjama injunctions, these rule 39 orders from the european court are not binding and they will empower a minister, secretary of state, for the home department to direct that these flights can take off. because what we want to see, if we want to stop the boats is regular , uh, flights boats is regular, uh, flights taking off to rwanda with large numbers of passengers, you know, a token flight with a handful of people on them on it is not going to stop the boats. we need
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an effective deterrent. people are coming over in their thousands on the small boats. they need to know that if they get here, they will be detained. they will be put on a plane and they will be removed to rwanda. so we need a large powers and we need to reduce the ability of these illegal migrants to block their removal . their removal. >> mc chris wow , she got the >> mc chris wow, she got the sack. now she's back . she's sack. now she's back. she's saying here this bill does not work. as it stands , there'll be work. as it stands, there'll be no flights leaving. it will be clogged in the courts. chris, i spoke to a human rights lawyer earlier on the show. he agreed. he says in its current format, the lawyers will be licking their lips. she's right. the point is, is it worth voting against the government and going that far to prove her point? it's a very perilous position. >> the line there, my objective is to deliver a bill that works, andifs is to deliver a bill that works, and it's far better to defeat this bill because it doesn't work and start again. she wants the a new bill work and start again. she wants the does a new bill work and start again. she wants the does work a new bill work and start again. she wants the does work . a new bill work and start again. she wants the does work . she new bill work and start again. she wants
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the does work . she thinks ll work and start again. she wants the does work . she thinks it that does work. she thinks it won't work. robert jenrick is of the same mind. will enough mps follow her? now? 5050 tory mps are supported. the amendments put forward sir bill cash and put forward by sir bill cash and robert jenrick, the former immigration minister. will you need 28 of them? 29 of them, to vote down the government ? if vote down the government? if that happens on wednesday, then we could see a vote of no confidence thursday or early the following week, which would be a performative exercise because perform ative exercise because tory unite tory mps would then unite against labour party to ensure the no confidence the vote of no confidence doesn't ahead . but how it doesn't go ahead. but how it looks for voters looking into this double by elections after valentine's day next month, i is difficult to fathom . um, and difficult to fathom. um, and also the words in this interview will be plastered all over labour's campaign leaflets because she's saying here in terms this will under plan doesn't work. labour policy is to scrap it again. the pm rishi sunak we hope to hear from here from him at some point on gb news he would tell us, well it is going to work and better have a deal. i can get past the party and get agree with rwanda than
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nothing all. nothing at all. >> chris, with those echoes >> and chris, with those echoes of the spartans stood of brexit, the spartans stood nobly, yet it's still ended up going through in the end. do you think what's going to happen here is there will be this performative puffing the performative puffing of the chests, ultimately they know chests, but ultimately they know they must know that to vote against the government and to risk that no confidence vote is the nuclear option . at a time the nuclear option. at a time when the tories leader need it the least. yeah but i think, you know, people might people might think celebrating him for taking a certainly tory grassroots >> certainly tory grassroots might think here's someone who's principled, in stopping principled, believes in stopping the properly and is the boats properly and is willing almost that willing to put almost that principle ahead of what's good for political but for her political party. but that might chime. i did that might chime. well, i did ask in that interview, is it ask her in that interview, is it all about leadership? cynics would you're making stand would say you're making a stand because you want to embolden yourself and burnish your credentials tory credentials with tory grassroots, which know, grassroots, which you, we know, watch stations grassroots, which you, we know, watc lot stations grassroots, which you, we know, watc lot . stations grassroots, which you, we know, watc lot . and stations grassroots, which you, we know, watc lot . and she, stations grassroots, which you, we know, watc lot . and she, of stations grassroots, which you, we know, watc lot . and she, of course, tions in a lot. and she, of course, wouldn't go there, wouldn't discuss wouldn't expect wouldn't go there, wouldn't discourse, wouldn't expect wouldn't go there, wouldn't discourse, to )uldn't expect wouldn't go there, wouldn't discourse, to get n't expect wouldn't go there, wouldn't discourse, to get an expect wouldn't go there, wouldn't discourse, to get an answer of course, to get an answer fully . but she definitely she fully. but she is definitely she thinks if you're going to thinks that if you're going to say the boats, um, her
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say stop the boats, um, her friend rishi, here's how friend rishi, then here's how you this bill doesn't you do it. this bill doesn't work. i can't support it. and she said in the full interview, we'll that later for half we'll have that later for half of colleagues will lose their of my colleagues will lose their seats carry on like this. seats if we carry on like this. >> if we don't deliver on this seats if we carry on like this. >> promise 1't deliver on this seats if we carry on like this. >> promise .t deliver on this seats if we carry on like this. >> promise . she .iver on this seats if we carry on like this. >> promise . she says)n this seats if we carry on like this. >> promise . she says that is seats if we carry on like this. >> promise . she says that this key promise. she says that this bill won't deliver on this promise. so how big, how robust are her principles ? because it's are her principles? because it's going to be utter, utter bedlam for rishi sunak to lose this vote. we should want to inflict that on her own party or her principles. so big or indeed her ambitions so great beyond the next general. she'll go ahead and do it anyway. >> i think she will do it anyway. if nothing happens to that bill, the one nation caucus at event, i went to this at the event, i went to this week, their reception, they made very clear this bill must go through that through under mended. if that happens , miss braverman happens, miss braverman and others might vote against it. it is very perilous this is very, very perilous this weekend for rishi he's on weekend for rishi sunak. he's on his from ukraine. he's his way back from ukraine. he's had busy overnight. uh um had a very busy overnight. uh um , work dealing with the issue crisis in india, yemen, ordering
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the attack on the houthi tribe there. so it never rains . it there. so it never rains. it pours if you're prime minister. but it's quite it's a perilous position right now for the pm over this weekend and another superb exclusive from you, chris. >> and you were telling me earlier, you went quite the extra mile to get this one in the bag. well i was just obviously texting suella braverman trying the braverman trying to get the interview news viewers as interview for gb news viewers as late as the evening christmas eve. >> so yeah, just trying make >> so yeah, just trying to make sure get the best journalism, sure we get the best journalism, best interviews for gb news on your well suella >> well well done. so suella braverman was expecting santa and you well. so first and she got you well. so first off, it's well worth it. excellent interview keeping excellent interview and keeping up a week up the pressure. what a week ahead going to be in ahead it's going to be in politics set for a showdown politics set for a huge showdown over with echoes of over rwanda with huge echoes of brexit. um, chris oak once again setting the agenda with that superb exclusive and of course we follow that story in full next what promises to be a next week. what promises to be a massive, massive week for the conservatives and we hear much, much more from suella braverman a little later in this hour with
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>> welcome back. it's 5:20. you're watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news later this hour, i'll bring you more from our exclusive explosive interview with suella braverman as she slams the rwanda bill, calling it a betrayal of the british voters . now, houthi british voters. now, houthi rebels have vowed revenge after uk and us airstrikes on the group's military facility in yemen and the reports that this afternoon a missile was fired at afternoon a missile was fired at a commercial vessel vessel approximately 90 nautical miles southeast of the yemeni port of aden. southeast of the yemeni port of aden . hundreds of thousands of aden. hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets of the yemeni capital, sanaa, after the yemeni capital, sanaa, after the rebels confirmed five houthi members were killed and six were injured in last night's attacks. let's cross now to gb news home and security editor mark white. mark, what can you tell us about dramatic developments in the last couple of hours ?
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last couple of hours? >> well, clearly, worrying developments as the houthi rebels, after these strikes by the us and the uk last night vowed revenge and retaliation in this may be what is playing out in the gulf of aden this afternoon . reports coming afternoon. reports coming through now from multiple sources that a tanker which was in the gulf of aden, 90 nautical miles south—east of the port of aden in yemen, was at the centre of an incident that appears to have involved a missile aimed towards that vessel that splashed down . in the sea about splashed down. in the sea about 400 to 500m from the vessel, so very close indeed. now reports from the master of that tanker suggest that three smaller air craft were actually following this tanker for a while. we understand now that the tanker
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is heading to its next port of destination , often as an destination, often as an investigation continues into the incident itself. but if this is a retaliation from the houthi rebels, clearly it's a concern because the hope was from the british and us governments that this action last night that targeted . some 60 different, uh, targeted. some 60 different, uh, targets hits in 16 locations involving 100 uh, precision guided bombs and other munition would have been enough to give the houthi rebels a bloody nose, make them think twice . but those make them think twice. but those i think that no one observe the way that this rebel organisation operates . it's probably thought operates. it's probably thought that was unlikely. and that may be what is playing out now . uh, be what is playing out now. uh, one incident so far , of course. one incident so far, of course. uh, and nothing in comparison to that incident . martin, that that incident. martin, that happened on tuesday evening with
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21 on separate , but, uh, attack 21 on separate, but, uh, attack drones and missiles that were launched towards shipping in the red sea, uh, as well as, of course, us and uk warships that were in that area . were in that area. >> but mark, this will have implications for britain and our economy because of course, 25% of the world's oil passes through the straits of hummus there. and commercial shipping companies will be getting very spooked by this. they might not be able to get insured, and that can only mean soaring fuel pnces can only mean soaring fuel prices for brits. and that means inflation could start to soar. yeah, doubt about that. >> i mean, the uk being an island nation , uh, 95% of the island nation, uh, 95% of the imports and exports to the uk come by sea . so we are very come by sea. so we are very heavily reliant on maritime trade. anything that , uh, trade. anything that, uh, affects these choke points , such affects these choke points, such as you mentioned, the, the straits of hormuz into the
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persian gulf. uh, of course , the persian gulf. uh, of course, the red sea and other , uh, choke red sea and other, uh, choke points. if they are affected by security incidents, then what you get is a response from the maritime traffic. the commercial operator like maersk for instance, that, uh, giant , operator like maersk for instance, that, uh, giant, um, uh, maritime shipping company that has decided that for the time being, at least, it that has decided that for the time being, at least , it is time being, at least, it is rerouting around africa. now, that adds an extra ten days to the journey from asia to the uk. and the net consequence of that is that the prices in the supermarkets , uh, in the filling supermarkets, uh, in the filling stations , um, they all stations, um, they all potentially rise and of course those insurance costs as well of uh, for the commercial, uh, traffic that is on the sea, uh, rockets as well. and that all ultimately gets passed on to the consumer in the uk and other western countries . western countries. >> okay. thank you. mark white for that update. and the last
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thing we want is another war that starts fuel prices surging. and that brings us on neatly to our next story. because rishi sunak has made a surprise visit to ukraine today, promising £2.5 billion of military aid over the next year, as it's britain's largest annual commitment since russia's invasion. almost two years ago . officials have said years ago. officials have said the package would result in the largest delivery of drones to ukraine by any country since the invasion, downing street says it will form the first step of an unshakeable 100 year partnership between the two nations. well, i'm joined now in our westminster studio by our political correspondent olivia early. olivia, thanks for joining us. £2.5 billion. that's not small beer at a time when we don't seem to have a lot of to money spend at home. and on top of yemen, these wars are getting mighty expensive for britain. >> well, it is a huge aid package. >> £2.5 billion, £200 million
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more than in the 2023 2024 year. it'll be really interesting to see what the british public make of this so far. the british pubuc of this so far. the british public have been hugely in support of pretty much any measures to help ukraine. if you go around the north of england or the shires of england, then you'll see the ukrainian flag still flying from lots of village halls , churches, etc. village halls, churches, etc. people do support ukrainians. we saw that the enormous amount of, uh, goods bill that came forward when refugees were, were looking for homes in britain. but of course, as you say , there may be course, as you say, there may be a little bit of more weariness setting in. we are still in a cost of living crisis ourselves, and there might be those who say that that package is, is, is just too generous in terms of what we can actually afford. obviously the problem really is that britain's defence force just isn't strong enough at the moment. we have heard that over and over again from military experts. we've been warned about
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it for years now. we've got 2.5 million aid package, which will include all sorts of military equipment, argue equipment, which you could argue the british army needs, needs itself . meanwhile, of course, itself. meanwhile, of course, we're we're sending troops over to, to, uh , yemen to protect to, to, uh, yemen to protect that shipping strait, which of course is vitally, vitally important . and there's a un important. and there's a un council resolution which is backing britain's, uh, intervention there. obviously the us is on side as well. and there are nine other countries to vitally important work. but with a with a defence force which has been hollowed out over 1015, 20 years, are we prepared for what we're letting ourselves in for? >> it's a great point. £2.5 billion would go a long way to beefing up british security. we only last week, olivia, we reported on this show. we don't have enough sailors to sail our navy ships with decommissioning two frigates at the same time , two frigates at the same time, where our vessels are being attacked in the red sea. we
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don't have enough sailors to actually man the boats. and yet here we are shovelling £2.5 billion towards ukraine. when do you think people are actually still behind this? or a lot of people say, we must spend this money to protect our key strategic interests against russia. >> well, i think that on the whole, when we see polling , it whole, when we see polling, it does suggest that people are still behind supporting ukraine, although it is interesting to see those numbers dipping a little bit. it is still a sizeable majority of the uk supporting whatever aid packages the government deems appropriate to ukraine. but that majority is going down a little bit, potentially, as that war weariness in, we feel the weariness sets in, we feel the cost of living crisis increasingly ourselves . the real increasingly ourselves. the real problem for rishi sunak and probably keir starmer is what to do about the state of britain's defence. a whole line of defence secretaries have begged for extra money from the treasury, most recently, of course, ben wallace, who ended up stepping down. he didn't say it was over that, but jeremy hunt refused. over and over again to give him
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the money that he wanted to shore up britain's defence. the navy, as you say, is , is in a navy, as you say, is, is in a state basically with this sort of money going to ukraine. there is a pretty much a black hole in in britain's defence forces and in britain's defence forces and in britain's defence budget. will rishi sunak do anything about it, or is he just going to basically leave it until his successor, who will probably be keir starmer? and it'll be fascinating to see what he does in that role, because if anything, the conservative party is on stronger ground when talking about defence. it's, it's got a reputation as being sort of party of defence. you would expect the conservative party instinctively to be investing be investing in the army, to be investing in the army, to be investing the navy. it hasn't investing in the navy. it hasn't really done. so. how will labour fare? will have exactly the fare? it will have exactly the same challenges and potentially its activists will be less on board with spending money on defence. >> superb olivia utley, thank you for that update and of course there's a huge battle waiting for rishi when he gets back here next wednesday in the
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form of rwanda . lots more still form of rwanda. lots more still to come between now and 6:00, including that explosive interview suella braverman interview with suella braverman giving us an exclusive about why the rwanda bill fatally the rwanda bill is fatally flawed . but first, your latest flawed. but first, your latest news headlines with tatiana sanchez. >> martin. thank you. your top stories from the gb newsroom. the uk's maritime organisation is warning vessels to sail with caution after reports of a new attack on a ship southeast of yemen's port of aden. this latest report is the first incident and security warning since the overnight us, uk joint strikes on houthi rebels . the strikes on houthi rebels. the government in yemen says the rebels are responsible for dragging the country into military confrontation . however, military confrontation. however, a spokesman for the militant group says they'll continue to block the passage of ships in the region . the prime minister the region. the prime minister says britain needs to send a strong signal that houthi rebel attacks in the red sea are wrong, and someone must take
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responsibility . in ukraine, responsibility. in ukraine, rishi sunak says he's proud to sign a new agreement with the country to provide £2.5 billion of new military aid . it's of new military aid. it's britain's largest annual commitment since russia's invasion. the prime minister made the announcement during a surprise visit to kyiv, with the package including long—range missiles , air defence and missiles, air defence and artillery shells . ukraine's artillery shells. ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy says the agreement helped secure his country's future . here, a his country's future. here, a mother and her former partner have been sentenced to life for the murder of her 18 month old son in kent . alfie phillips son in kent. alfie phillips suffered 70 injuries to his body at the hands of his mother, sian hedges , and her ex boyfriend hedges, and her ex boyfriend jack benham. in 2020, mister benham must now serve a minimum tum of 23 years, while mrs. hedges must serve a minimum tum of 19 years. in the us, the aviation regulator says it will
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course. she is a tory mp. but also she's the chair of the foreign affairs committee. so i want to talk to her about this. why is it always us? this is a global shipping trade . uh, global shipping trade. uh, shipping route. sorry, not just a is it us that's a uk one. so why is it us that's always at the front, following america desperate to get involved foreign involved in any foreign conflict. so it seems, quite frankly. i want to look at frankly. so i want to look at that also as well that one. but also as well i want to ask about ageism. uh, is that it feels me like an that it feels to me like an acceptable form of discrimination. in this discrimination. uh, in this country, perhaps the last acceptable is so acceptable form. why is that so i want explore that electric i want to explore that electric vehicles as well. i would just all past it, you know, hurts the rental company. they've rental company. martin. they've started sacking off their electric in electric vehicles. more in favour of petrol and diesel ones. we've had, as you know, a second aid bus that's exploded. it's not. i'm not laughing at it. i'm just pretty much laughing at the absurdity of it all. was it just a fad? is it time to just move on? >> well, you know, you know, my thoughts on that. the ageism thing something, michel, that thoughts on that. the ageism thingreally,nething , michel, that thoughts on that. the ageism thingreally, reallyg , michel, that thoughts on that. the ageism thingreally, really botheredl, that thoughts on that. the ageism thingreally, really bothered me at that really, really bothered me about brexit because i just
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think we saw terrible ageism against older people have sold our country down the river. no, they've worked their whole lives. allowed have they've worked their whole livesvote. allowed have that vote. >> well, yeah, exactly . anyway, >> well, yeah, exactly. anyway, ihope >> well, yeah, exactly. anyway, i hope the what mom is saying, but two oldies joining but i've got two oldies joining me anyway. i've got lord moylan and so they've got and nigel nelson. so they've got very strong feelings on one very strong feelings on this one as know what the as well. and you know what the fabulous robbie fabulous news about robbie burrows love that guy, burrows as well i love that guy, the rugby legend. he's a the rugby legend. he's got a cbe. so yes a little bit of positivity. looking at positivity. i'll be looking at that well. so superb stuff. >> dewbs& co six till seven. going to be a cracker as ever now as promised , we can now as promised, we can now bnng now as promised, we can now bring you lots more from bring you some lots more from our exclusive interview with suella braverman. she told our political editor , christopher political editor, christopher hope minister could hope the prime minister could face another tory revolt if face yet another tory revolt if serious changes are not made to that rwanda bill. >> suella braverman . why won't >> suella braverman. why won't this rwanda bill stop the boats? >> well , christopher, whilst >> well, christopher, whilst there are some welcome elements in this third piece of legislation that the government has put through to stop the boats, unfortunately it is
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fundamentally fatally flawed for two big reasons. fundamentally fatally flawed for two big reasons . firstly, it two big reasons. firstly, it doesn't preclude individual claimants. that's illegal migrants who have come here on the boats from legally challenging through the courts our powers to detain or to remove them. so what we'll see is wide scale and repetitive individual claims being made through the courts. time and time again, only having the effect of delaying their removal to rwanda. secondly it doesn't stop the scenario that we all saw in june 2022 whereby why the plane was grounded on the tarmac because a judge in the european court of human rights, at the 11th hour, pursuant to an opaque process where the uk government wasn't even represented, blocked out the flight from taking off. and there's nothing in this bill that will prevent that from happening again. >> so the changes you're backing with robert jenrick, your former
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colleague in the home office and others too, will stop that happen. is that right? these changes we've engaged with the government over several weeks, and we've now tabled several amendments in the name, largely of robert jenrick, but also of sir bill cash to fix the bill. >> and we're putting them forward in the spirit of constructive engagement with the government. they will dramatically reduce the ability of people to thwart their removal through the courts. and they will emphasise and clarify by that these pyjama injunctions, these rule 39 orders from the european court are not binding and they will empower a minister, secretary of for state the home department to direct that these flights can take off. because what we want to see, if we want to stop the boats is regular, uh, flights taking off to rwanda with large numbers of passengers, you know, a token flight with a handful of people on them on it is not
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going to stop the boats. we need an effective deterrent. people are coming over in their thousands on the small boats. they need to know that if they get here, they will be detained. they will be put on a plane and they will be removed to rwanda. so we need a large powers and we need to reduce the ability of these illegal migrants to block their removal. >> the pm wants bright ideas. he told voters in accrington on monday this week that is he looking at any of your measures? have you been heard that the pm is looking at your ideas you're proposing? >> well, i would respectfully say that these are some bright ideas that we've put forward. i mean, i have personally some expertise subject . i expertise in this subject. i advocated for many of these measures 12 months ago when i was home secretary . we, uh, the was home secretary. we, uh, the prime minister refused to accept them. then on he's come some way forward . he's now introduced a forward. he's now introduced a third bill. as i say, with some of those measures. but unfortunately it's lacking in the essential things that are
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going to make this bill work thatis going to make this bill work that is going to stop the boats. so we've got some bright ideas. we've engaged constructively. we want this bill to work. it currently does not. and to pretend otherwise, i'm afraid, does a disservice to the british public. it amounts to a betrayal to the british public. i want to stop the boats. i want this government to stop the boats. it's got a chance to do that. and that's why i'm urging the prime minister to accept our amendments can work amendments so that we can work together this and together to fix this bill and stop boats there are votes stop the boats there are votes next week, tuesday, wednesday in the stage in the the committee stage in the commons, a third commons, and there's a third reading whole bill. reading on the whole bill. >> government doesn't >> if the government doesn't accept amendments accept your amendments or the amendments, through amendments, don't go through what happens at that third reading vote potentially on wednesday. will you do? wednesday. what will you do? >> listen, i am i'm only >> well, listen, i am i'm only going support that going to support a bill that works as currently drafted. this bill does not work. and if there are no improvements to it, i will have to vote against it. i'm afraid i'm. i'm sent to parliament to vote for things to be for things or to be against
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them, not to sit on the fence . them, not to sit on the fence. and i owe it to my constituents. i owe it to the british people to be transparent and honest about the situation that we're in. it's absolutely essential that we deliver on this pledge to stop the boats. >> how many of the other colleagues of yours, the 54 or so, have signed? many of these amendments will vote against it at third reading. if it's not amended. >> listen, been working in >> listen, i've been working in extensively the last few extensively over the last few weeks with many, many colleagues, and very colleagues, and i'm very encouraged support . encouraged by their support. we've over 50 conservative we've got over 50 conservative mps who have now publicly put their names to these amendments, who share our concerns, who want to fix the bill. this is a significant number of backbench peers who feel very strongly and we will all be discussing this matter intensively over the next few days, because you could defeat the government and help labour and labour defeat the government and potentially bring the government down listen, down next week. well listen, what is, is to what my objective is, is to deliver a boat, bill. what my deliver a boat, a bill. what my objective to deliver a
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objective is, is to deliver a bill that works and it's far better to defeat this bill because it doesn't work. and start again with a new bill that will work. then proceed on a false premise, then proceed on a bafis false premise, then proceed on a basis that amounts to, uh , basis that amounts to, uh, something that won't stop . the something that won't stop. the boats. we may all feel a temporary sense of achievement by passing a bill, but in a few months time, when we see that plane grounded on the tarmac, when we're failing to remove people to rwanda, when we are clogged up in the courts, it will very, disappointing will be very, very disappointing . and people will ask us rightly , what did you do to try and avoid that catastrophe? that's what i'm trying to do now. i'm trying to avoid a catastrophe of failing to deliver on this pledge. >> do other ministers still in government your concerns government share your concerns and some have resign and might some have to resign next week? >> well, personally speaking, i have been very, uh, concerned by the high number of ministers to
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whom i have spoken, who i have grave reservations about this bill. oh, dozens . i actually bill. oh, dozens. i actually haven't spoken to many ministers who genuinely believe that this bill is going to work privately , bill is going to work privately, uh, under their breath, they say to me , uh, we know this bill to me, uh, we know this bill won't work . we know that the won't work. we know that the we're exposed and we're vulnerable to the european court in this bill. we know that this bill will only open the floodgates to litigation and claims and lawyers bringing repetitive claims. but you know, we want to continue and we, you know, so i think that there's a very widespread level of concern privately amongst ministers . privately amongst ministers. >> so some may have to resign to back to back to go with their conscience. >> this is, you know, every minister has to grapple with many, many conflicting factors . many, many conflicting factors. and it's a very personal decision. i'm someone who resigned from government because i couldn't support theresa may's brexit betrayal and the terms of
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her withdrawal agreement . it it her withdrawal agreement. it it takes courage. it takes principle to resign and give up the trappings of office, which are quite seductive. but it does have an impact because ultimately , if you take a stand ultimately, if you take a stand on principle , it means on principle, it means something. and that's why i applaud my colleague robert jenrick, who who did resign on principle because he had profound disagreements with this policy and this bill. >> we haven't, through a meaningful vote , uh, happened meaningful vote, uh, happened several years ago over brexit. it's about brexit again, isn't it? it's a sovereignty matter. next week. >> it's about taking back control. yes, there are real parallels with brexit. and you know, i think that it's you know, i think that it's you know, there are parallels again with the meaningful vote. there was lots of voices, voices off at the time of meaningful vote, uh, telling tory mps don't, don't rebel , don't speak out don't rebel, don't speak out because you if you disagree with the terms of the withdrawal agreement, bring brexit in name only. do you remember that? don't grandstand. they said , you
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don't grandstand. they said, you know, i'm so proud that 28 of us took a stance of courage and principle and objective to objected to the terms of the withdrawal agreement, despite huge pressures to do otherwise . huge pressures to do otherwise. had we not done so , that faulty had we not done so, that faulty and betrayal brexit would have gone through , and we may well gone through, and we may well have been in a very different situation where brexit waleses there's all this worth potentially bringing down your government next week, because if the government is defeated on wednesday, might vote the government is defeated on we no esday, might vote the government is defeated on who confidence might vote the government is defeated on who confidence by ight vote the government is defeated on who confidence by labour vote the government is defeated on who confidence by labour andyte of no confidence by labour and we could face an early election by mistake. >> bringing >> this is not about bringing down government. >> this is not about bringing down isjovernment. >> this is not about bringing down is aboutment. >> this is not about bringing down is about delivering a >> this is about delivering a bill that works and stopping the boats. i'm here boats. you know, i'm here because believe vividly in because i believe vividly in things. i'm here because i believe passionately in delivering the british delivering for the british people . they are fed up with the people. they are fed up with the boats. they are fed up with broken promises. this is our last chance to get it right. and woe betide a government that fails the british people again. >> well, suella braverman, thank you for joining today on >> well, suella braverman, thank you forjoining today on gb you for joining us today on gb news. you. thank you.
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you for joining us today on gb ne\well, you. thank you. you for joining us today on gb ne\well, a you. thank you. you for joining us today on gb ne\well, a fantastic|ank you. you for joining us today on gb ne\well, a fantastic exclusive >> well, a fantastic exclusive there by chris hope. and what a week ahead . rishi sunak has got week ahead. rishi sunak has got a huge revolt. looks now highly likely over the rwanda bill. now a change of pace because i'm going to the best pub in the uk in a few minutes. fancy come along for the ride. well stick around , i'm martin daubney on gb around, i'm martin daubney on gb news. news channel.
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jack, why are you there? >> well, martin, good afternoon to you. welcome to the tamworth tap, the best pub in the country as judged by the campaign for real ales for 2023. it is the second year in a row that they have won this award, and the judges judged this competition on everything from atmosphere to decor engagement within decor to the engagement within their local community. and of course, how good the beer is. they do brew their own beer on site as well. part of the tamworth brewing company. they really are, are, you know, situated right on the high street here, right in the beating heart of tamworth a little earlier on, i caught little bit earlier on, i caught up owner, george up with the owner, george greenaway, out greenaway, to find out how excited when he found out excited he was when he found out he'd but also what the last he'd won. but also what the last 12 months have been like for him as pub landlord. as a pub landlord. >> the incredible. it's fantastic. um, yeah . i've words fantastic. um, yeah. i've words can't , um, describe really how can't, um, describe really how we're all feeling. the whole team , um, all of that hard work team, um, all of that hard work over the past 12 months has, has certainly paid off. we certainly didn't expect that two years,
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uh, on the trot. it's only ever been done once before. in the whole history of camra, national pub of the year. so we're delighted and honoured the energy bills. they were the big crippler last year for, for most hospitality businesses and the discount on business rates across the hospitality sector as well. that's helped certainly , well. that's helped certainly, but yeah, we're back on par now with with an okay cost per unit of electricity. it was it was extortionate what we were paying 12 at this time 12 months ago. um that meant reducing the amount of beer we were brewing. um, but you know, we're back on track and again, we'll be looking to invest off the campaign for real ale's is all about campaigning for the awareness of some of the issues , awareness of some of the issues, of course, that pubs, you know, experienced day by day, month on month. >> one of those, as you heard there from george speaking, was there from george speaking, was the energy bills over the last year some, you year as well. and some, you know, businesses across the know, pub businesses across the uk struggling. camera uk are really struggling. camera reckon around 21 week, do reckon around 21 pubs a week, do
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close doors for the final close their doors for the final time. competitions like pub time. so competitions like pub of raising the profile of the year, raising the profile of the year, raising the profile of pubs across the country mean that local community, as you that the local community, as you can here and hear can hear, see here and hear probably the people probably from all the people around really getting behind around me really getting behind their today, really their local pub today, really supporting, know what, great supporting, you know what, great work particularly has. work this pub, particularly has. the in the of the year. the best pub in the of the year. does uh, for its community. but if martin, it if you don't mind, martin, it has gone 5:00, so i better drink up. >> oh, jack, please fill your boots. in fact, you've been there all day. milestone. you've done been there my old all done that. been there my old all day. to see day. it's great to see a reporter taking their work seriously , suffering for their seriously, suffering for their art. jack i've been looking through the tamworth taps beer menu. it's as long as my arm . menu. it's as long as my arm. one of them, the kessel run peanut butter porter is 13.1. jack, hope you haven't been dipping your beak in that one. my dipping your beak in that one. my old son. >> no , i've got to drive home, >> no, i've got to drive home, martin. so this is the only one i'm having for the day. >> so , jack, what kind of things >> so, jack, what kind of things are the people been telling you
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there about why they keep going down the tamworth? what draws the local lads in? ladies in? >> a lot of it is, of >> well, a lot of it is, of course, the local knowledge and also knowledge beers also the knowledge of the beers themselves. of the bar themselves. a lot of the bar staff here, like they helped me out with getting this golden ale a bit on. for a little bit earlier on. for those that are maybe a bit those of us that are maybe a bit indecisive about what beer it is exactly that like, they'll exactly that you like, they'll help you. they'll talk you through. quite a few through. i had quite a few tasters a few different beers tasters of a few different beers as well to really get the feel for what really you. maybe as well to really get the feel for viperson, ly you. maybe as well to really get the feel for viperson, what you. maybe as well to really get the feel for viperson, what kind u. maybe as well to really get the feel for viperson, what kind of’viaybe as well to really get the feel for viperson, what kind of tastes as a person, what kind of tastes suit you? it's the knowledge suit you? so it's the knowledge of staff, but also the of the staff, but also the friendliness. when you friendliness. you know, when you have local rum have an independent local rum pub this, of these pub like this, a lot of these locals know the owners, george and personally. they and louise, personally. they come week. it's come here every week. it's almost with your almost like going out with your friends, just coming to the pub. but also, you but of course it's also, you know, this competition, know, with this competition, like of year, this like the pub of the year, this place becomes a tourist attraction. so it's bringing people to experience people to tamworth to experience the and of course the the town. and of course the tamworth history tamworth castle and the history that this has tamworth castle and the history th.offeh this has to offer. >> well, jack carson cheers for your your hard work today. someone's got to suffer for their . say a big cheers for
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their work. say a big cheers for all the locals there at the tamworth. what a magnet . decent tamworth. what a magnet. decent site. british boozer. tamworth. what a magnet. decent site. does british boozer. tamworth. what a magnet. decent site. does itbritish boozer. tamworth. what a magnet. decent site. does it like ;h boozer. tamworth. what a magnet. decent site. does it like us. oozer. tamworth. what a magnet. decent site. does it like us. it'ser. tamworth. what a magnet. decent site. does it like us. it's the nobody does it like us. it's the best place on earth when it works well. magnificent. what a great the show and great way to end the show and a great way to end the show and a great to end my time on the great way to end my time on the martin daubney show this week. thank so for joining thank you so much for joining us. we've been getting politicians in all week. us. we've been getting politic grilled all week. us. we've been getting politic grilled so all week. us. we've been getting politic grilled so many. /eek. us. we've been getting politic grilled so many. iek. us. we've been getting politic grilled so many. i think we've grilled so many. i think i need to get myself an apron. it's my final time here. thanks for joining us this week. i'll be three all next be back three till six all next week. now dewbs& co six till seven. thank have seven. thank you and have a great friday evening. a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news afternoon. >> welcome to your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. i'm alex deakin. the cold theme continues this weekend. most places will be dry , but there will be a few be dry, but there will be a few showers around and it's going to turn more wintry across the north by sunday. that's as a cold weather front approaches that mix things up. high that will mix things up. high pressure and large in
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pressure still by and large in control, but here comes that weather bringing wet weather front bringing some wet weather. northern weather. rain over northern parts of scotland during this evening it pushes southwards, evening as it pushes southwards, it kind of fizzles out a little bit, but staying fairly damp across coast of across the west coast of scotland and some of that rain getting south west getting into south west scotland, coast of scotland, the north coast of northern by dawn. northern ireland by dawn. further places dry. further south, most places dry. fairly with some holes fairly cloudy, with some holes in the cloud over northeast england. some frost england. some pockets of frost are possible and perhaps also over northern scotland , we over northern scotland, where we should sunny spells on should see some sunny spells on saturday looking . saturday morning. looking. fairly cloudy across northern ireland, northwest england, nonh ireland, northwest england, north wales tomorrow a little bit light rain drizzle, bit of light rain and drizzle, but again most places dry. a few showers in the far north of scotland coming through the scotland coming in through the afternoon. a feeling afternoon. two a cold feeling day the day particularly so in the south, just or 4 degrees south, maybe just 3 or 4 degrees for here and with a lot of for some here and with a lot of cloud that isn't going to feel too clever, it feels even too clever, but it feels even colder sunday, in colder on sunday, especially in the strong brisk the north, with a strong brisk wind is bringing snow wind that is bringing snow showers into northern scotland. we yellow we do have a met office yellow warning place for and warning in place for snow and ice. that snow could start to
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comes to foreign conflicts, but apparently we have barely a penny to rub together when it comes to helping people in this country. i'll be talking to alicia kearns , the chair of the alicia kearns, the chair of the foreign affairs committee, about some and electric some of that, and electric vehicles. do you reckon these things now are just a little bit of hype? hence the rental company has swapped out thousands of electric thousands of their electric cars. it, back to cars. you guessed it, back to petrol diesel ones as well. petrol and diesel ones as well. we've seen a second bus blow up in a matter of days. was it a fad? are we past it? you tell me . and do you reckon we discriminate against the old? is ageism the latest? the last acceptable form of discrimination in this country?
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