to patrick christys >> welcome to patrick christys tonight with me leo kearse as britain launches airstrikes against another middle eastern country, potentially escalating the conflict in the middle east and triggering a fresh wave of refugees into europe. i have to ask, is our asylum system keeping us safe and the university of york is lowering the entry requirements for international students due to financial challenges with the government's new pledge to tighten university acceptance standards, is york going against it? and standards, is york going against it.7 and the advertising standards agency have this week banned an advert from lingerie company calvin klein following complaints that it was overly sexualised and objectified. women shouldn't we be celebrating beautiful bodies , or celebrating beautiful bodies, or do these campaigns set unrealistic standards for young women to follow .7 and earlier women to follow.7 and earlier today, former postal minister sir ed davey apparently could not bring himself to apologise for the it scandal, which impacted the lives of over 700 postmasters but is sir ed davey

getting too much blame for this .7 getting too much blame for this? sir keir starmer has proposed supervised toothbrushing in schools. the scheme would cost £9 million per year as starmer , £9 million per year as starmer, embracing a nanny state, is the next stage bum wiping and on my panel this evening i've got writer and broadcaster emma woolf author and journalist harriet sergeant and trade unionist andy macdonald, a big two hours. a big two hours ahead. but first, here's the headlines with tatiana sanchez. >> leo, thank you and good evening. your top stories from the gb newsroom. the uk's maritime organisation warning maritime organisation is warning vessels to sail with caution after reports of a new attack on

after reports of a new attack on a ship southeast of yemen's port of aden. a senior us military official says. houthi rebels fired an anti—ship ballistic missile today, but it did not hit any ships. this is the first incident and security warning since the overnight uk us joint strikes on houthi rebels. the yemeni government says the rebels are responsible for dragging the country into military confrontation. however a spokesman for the militant group says they'll continue to block the passage of ships in the in the uk, the prime the region in the uk, the prime minister says britain needs to send a strong signal that houthi rebel attacks in the red are rebel attacks in the red sea are wrong . wrong. >> p- f�*— @ very clear it's to >> our aim is very clear it's to de—escalate tensions and to restore stability to the region, and that's why our allies over the past few weeks have issued several statements of condemnation of what's happening, calling on the houthis to desist. indeed, just this week, we've seen a un security council resolution on condemning what's happening and saying that states have a right to self—defence we acted saying that states have a right to self—defence . we acted saying that states have a right

to self—defence . hence acted saying that states have a right to self—defence . hence it'scted in self—defence. hence it's incumbent now on the houthis to stop carrying out these attacks, putting people's lives at risk . putting people's lives at risk. >> ukraine's president has hailed the uk's £2.5 billion military aid package for his country. prime minister rishi sunak made the announcement dunng sunak made the announcement during a surprise visit to kyiv, with the package including long—range missiles, air defence and artillery shells. mr sunak promised to continue to stand with ukraine in its fight against russia . vladimir against russia. vladimir zelenskyy says the agreement helped secure his country's future . now the former home future. now the former home secretary says the rwanda bill, set to be debated in the house of commons next week, won't stop the boats speeding exclusively to gb news suella. braverman said she'll vote against the bill if there are no improvements . improvements. >> what we want to see if we want to stop the boats is regular , uh, flights taking off regular, uh, flights taking off to rwanda with large numbers of passengers. you know, a token flight with a handful of people on them on it is not going to

stop the boats. we need an effective deterrent. people are coming over in their thousands on the small boats. they need to know that if they get here, they will be detained , they will be will be detained, they will be put on a plane and they will be removed to rwanda . and a lawyer removed to rwanda. and a lawyer acting for the post office has apologised for delays in the disclosure of documents to the inquiry into the horizon it scandal . scandal. >> chris jackson told the inquiry the post office wants to help reveal the truth and facts behind the fault, which led to hundreds of people being wrongly convicted of theft. former post office minister and current liberal democrats leader sir ed davey says the company lied to everyone. those allegations the firm denies , as though they are. firm denies, as though they are. your top stories on gb news across the uk, on tv, in your car , on digital radio and on car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play your smart speaker by saying play gb news. and now back to .

leo. >> thank you tatiana. now as britain launches airstrikes against another middle eastern country , potentially escalating country, potentially escalating the conflict in the middle east and triggering fresh waves of refugees into europe, i have to ask, is our asylum system keeping us safe? of course , the keeping us safe? of course, the airstrikes were absolutely necessary . iranian backed houthi necessary. iranian backed houthi islamists have been attacking cargo ships in the red sea for weeks, and the final straw was launching drones against british royal navy warships. here's a bit of advice if you don't want to be bombed back to the stone age, don't attack the british military. it won't end well for you. however, i can't help but sense a flaw in our government's strategy of importing tens of thousands of people from countries the middle east countries in the middle east while those countries . while bombing those countries. 80,000 yemenis now live in the uk . i'm not 80,000 yemenis now live in the uk. i'm not for a 80,000 yemenis now live in the uk . i'm not for a moment uk. i'm not for a moment suggesting that genuine yemeni refugees, many of whom are christian, wish us harm. i'm sorry for what islamic radicals have to their country, and have done to their country, and i'm glad britain can offer a safe refuge. but we can't pretend that nobody in yemen

bears a grudge for these bombings , as the houthis do. for bombings, as the houthis do. for a start. and these attitudes may be more prevalent than we're told. at this protest told. look at this protest against the us and uk and yemen's capital today. no, my concern is with an asylum system that can easily be gamed to let the wrong people into our country. people say , well, most country. people say, well, most yemenis hate the houthis and most of the yemeni refugees in the uk are christians who had to flee because of persecution . but flee because of persecution. but people the same thing about people said the same thing about libyans barbaric libyans who hated the barbaric regime of colonel gaddafi. it didn't stop libyan asylum seeker kyrees abdallah from killing three men and seriously injuring three men and seriously injuring three other people in a raiding park, people said. syrians hated the barbaric regime of bashar al—assad, but it didn't stop islamic extremist emad al swealmeen , who claimed to be a swealmeen, who claimed to be a christian fleeing persecution in syria from bombing a maternal hospital in liverpool. this pastor was only averted when his bombed detonated prematurely. people said iraqis hated the

barbaric regime of saddam hussein, but it didn't stop . hussein, but it didn't stop. extremist iraqi asylum seeker ahmad hassan from attempting mass murder in the parsons green bombing and across the middle east and africa, people sought refuge from persecution by isis, but it didn't stop eritrean asylum seeker muktar said. ibrahim attempts mass murder as one of the failed london underground bombers. of course i'm not suggesting that every asylum seeker or muslim hates the west or wants to harm us. that's ridiculous . the majority that's ridiculous. the majority are good people in terrible situations when they're seeking asylum and they need our help . asylum and they need our help. i'm worried about terrorists exploit our asylum system in 2020, there were over 43,000 potential extremist sites in the uk on mi5 watch lists. reportedly 90% of whom were islamic extremist threats. we clearly need to get better at screening. who comes to live here? will the airstrikes even stop attacks by the houthis? saudi arabia has been bombing them for eight years, and they

don't seem to have gone away. their guerrilla fighters , when their guerrilla fighters, when they're attacked, they can scatter , hide then regroup. scatter, hide and then regroup. these strikes risk expanding a regional conflict. i personally think the west is powerful to stop the colonising spread of houthi islamists in yemen. it's gone. it's too late to save it. it's never going to be a safe place for christians or other religious minorities. but it's not late to protect britain not too late to protect britain and do that, we're going to and to do that, we're going to have to reform our asylum system. people shouldn't be able to claim asylum by falsely pretending be christian or pretending to be christian or gay or trans or persecuted in some other way. grown men shouldn't be able to pretend to be children in. there shouldn't be children in. there shouldn't be an incentive for human rights lawyers to help people to lie, to get access to this country . to get access to this country. charities ngos shouldn't be charities and ngos shouldn't be encouraging people to cheat the system. our government and business leaders shouldn't be complicit in a fraudulent asylum system just because they want the short tum economic boost of cheap labour. and rishi shouldn't clear the backlog by

granting asylum to people en masse without any scrutiny. the slogan of the houthis is god is the greatest death to america , the greatest death to america, death to israel. a curse upon the jews, victory to islam. this ideology can't be allowed to take root in the west. the soft underbelly of our civilisation needs to be armoured because, as yemen shows, christian countries can fall. and if britain falls, where would we claim asylum? but let's get the thoughts of my panel. let's get the thoughts of my panel . the writer and panel. the writer and broadcaster emma woolf , broadcaster emma woolf, journalist and author harriet sargeant and trade unionist andy mcdonald, now , uh, andy, i'm mcdonald, now, uh, andy, i'm going to start with you. as a trade unionist, you're probably , trade unionist, you're probably, uh, you know, waving palestinian flags and all the rest of it. why is that ? uh, because a lot why is that? uh, because a lot of trade unionists, i don't know, maybe. maybe i'm prejudging maybe perhaps. prejudging you. maybe perhaps. yeah, . um, but, yeah, yeah. all right. um, but, i do you actually, how i mean, do you actually, how would you what do you feel in the conflict in the middle east? >> which conflict do you mean? >> which conflict do you mean? >> assuming you mean gaza

>> i'm assuming you mean gaza or do mean yemen or gaza? do you mean yemen or gaza? yemen? mean , they're all yemen? i mean, they're all they're together they're all tied together because i mean, hamas, hezbollah, the houthi rebels, they're backed by iran. they're all backed by iran. >> okay. >> okay. >> uh , i mean, i completely >> uh, i mean, i completely i hate terrorism, i think it's disgusting. i think anyone who is sensible would condemn it. i don't think anybody sensible backs it. >> i feel the same about tequila, but but i mean, i think terrorism is terrorism bit w0 i'se. woi'se. >> worse. >> i think terrorism, don't >> i think terrorism, i don't think people condemn think many people would condemn tequila way. well, tequila in the same way. well, maybe you haven't been you haven't with haven't been for a drink with me. uh i don't know what me. okay. uh i don't know what your is here. you've your question is here. you've >> andy, i mean, i was >> well, andy, i mean, i was just introducing the concept, but, i mean, do you think the asylum system broken? you asylum system is broken? do you think letting in? too many think it's letting in? too many people migrants . i people are economic migrants. i mean, at the moment, it seems that asylum system, that our asylum system, uh, the wrong can game it to get wrong people can game it to get in and the right people who should be able to claim asylum can't even get to claim it. there's nowhere you've got to you've to actually get you've got to actually get to the to able to claim it in the uk to be able to claim it in a of cases. a lot of cases. >> completely >> yeah, i completely agree. i think by fact that think you know, by the fact that people in the

people are coming over in the small know, there people are coming over in the small been know, there people are coming over in the small been a know, there people are coming over in the small been a small)w, there people are coming over in the small been a small boats. re people are coming over in the small been a small boats. i hasn't been a small boats. i think is 26 days now, but think it is 26 days now, but before know, people before that, you know, people coming couldn't even coming over, we couldn't even keep so you keep track of them. yeah. so you know, we it's know, by that very fact, we it's been didn't been broken because we didn't even coming in. but even know who was coming in. but i think, you know, you i think, you know, like you said, got to come here said, they've got to come here to actually process their application. i think we should be processing be setting up remote processing centres france centres in places like france where coming, where majority are coming, because pay 100,000 to because who would pay 100,000 to a people smuggler? why would we go safe and clear processing? >> why would we set up a processing centre in a safe country? why would somebody be claiming asylum from france? i don't understand that, harry. i'm going to bring you in. >> obviously, the food and the food amazing france. let's food is amazing in france. let's talk terrible . that's talk clearly terrible. that's why they've got to come to talk clearly terrible. that's whyukay've got to come to talk clearly terrible. that's whyuk .r've got to come to talk clearly terrible. that's whyuk . the got to come to talk clearly terrible. that's whyuk . the food's to come to talk clearly terrible. that's whyuk . the food's great.ne to the uk. the food's great. >> i unfortunately greg's >> i mean, unfortunately greg's here greg's. >> i mean, unfortunately greg's her no greg's. >> i mean, unfortunately greg's her no . greg's. >> no. >> no. >> is that have we got a greg's dnven >> is that have we got a greg's driven asylum problem? >> no. i think the reason why i mean, if you've spent any time in france, you know, with the reason why people are coming from france is because they it's very difficult to get work on the black market. in fact, the

black market hardly exists in france . right? so they come to france. right? so they come to the uk . i france. right? so they come to the uk. i mean, in france. right? so they come to the uk . i mean, in france, if the uk. i mean, in france, if companies employ black market laboun companies employ black market labour, they are heavily fined, right? in this country nothing happens. it's you can right? in this country nothing happens . it's you can arrive happens. it's you can arrive here and be a deliveroo driver. as i know one young man, uh, by the afternoon. yeah. so that's fine. now the very interesting your what your the points you raise about the asylum system because i've actually at one point sat in on interviews of would be asylum seekers and i fought at the home office and lunar house and i saw for myself that there is no way of knowing who is genuine or who is not. i mean, the man i sat, one of the people i sat claimed he'd been put in prison in china. um, so i said, well, how are you going to check it? i said to the officer, and he said, looked at me as if i'm crazy. he said, you think i'm crazy. he said, you think i'm going to phone a prison in china and anyone's going to

answer me , even if i discover answer me, even if i discover the phone number, you know, are you crazy? we can't check any of these . these stories. >> yeah. i mean, do you think this integral of this is an integral problem of the asylum system ? i mean, it's the asylum system? i mean, it's almost something that can't be fixed really to fixed because you really have to take people's word at face value, but you see all value, but then you see all the videos people coming across videos of people coming across in the small boats throwing their throwing their id out or throwing anything that that can identify them. >> well, firstly, i thought your monologue was really, really, well, informative as well as as well, informative as well as as well as impressive and convincing. i have to say that i think, i think we're hopeless at surveillance and screening in this we've proved that. this country. we've proved that. and, for whatever the and, you know, for whatever the figures many people figures about how many people that rishi suddenly, suddenly finds to clear finds a miracle cure to clear this in recent weeks , this backlog in recent weeks, because there might an because there might be an election on the horizon, um, for all that we know, there are many, many people who arrive in this simply go go to this country and simply go go to ground never, you ground simply are never, you know heard of know, never seen or heard of again. so you know, the figures are accurate in terms of are not accurate in terms of yemen. know , we can't just

yemen. you know, we can't just stand by i'm such a that unfashionable thing. i'm a pacifist. i hate any and i'm terrified about this. this idea of further escalation, of conflict across a region that is already a tinderbox, isn't it ? already a tinderbox, isn't it? yeah. and yet we can't, as you say, we can't stand by and do nothing when they attack british navy warships. nothing when they attack british navy warships . oops. so nothing when they attack british navy warships. oops. so i just think 2024 has got off to a terrible start . and yes, it's terrible start. and yes, it's going to have ramifications in this country. it's never just over there. it's not just in the red this is going to, you red sea. this is going to, you know, reverberate on our shores. do think they should do you think they should literally do you think they should liteilong route round . the long route round. >> could you know, say, >> we could just, you know, say, okay, more red sea shipping, okay, no more red sea shipping, no more suez canal and we can be the ships. we can't drive around the ships. we can't drive around the cape of good hope. >> i mean, could, but >> i mean, they could, but still. then there would be a supply issue because, you know, still. then there would be a sup network because, you know, still. then there would be a sup network isn'tiuse, you know, still. then there would be a sup network isn't set, you know, still. then there would be a sup network isn't set, you have the network isn't set up to have the network isn't set up to have the supply slowly and the supply going so slowly and without , you know, the suez without, you know, the suez canal without, you know, the suez canal, we'd be nothing. you know, market will know, the petrol market will probably crash week. you probably crash next week. you know, so probably crash next week. you knowit'll so probably crash next week. you knowit'll be so probably crash next week. you knowit'll be like so probably crash next week. you knowit'll be like 2022 so probably crash next week. you knowit'll be like 2022 all so probably crash next week. you knowit'll be like 2022 all over» high it'll be like 2022 all over again. add a couple of again. it would add a couple of quid screen. quid on a flat screen. >> inflation yeah

>> well inflation as well. yeah >> well inflation as well. yeah >> and it's just you know it just to you know this just goes back to you know this cost that cost of living crisis that we keep back every keep coming back to every winter. past winter. you know, for the past i think what four years think what three, four years we've perpetual we've had this perpetual cost of living and, know , living crisis. and, you know, it's just like, god, when does it's just like, god, when does it what? it's just like, god, when does it they what? it's just like, god, when does it they couldn'tat? it's just like, god, when does it they couldn't be bothered >> they couldn't be bothered to do nuclear do things like build nuclear back 2010 because they said, back in 2010 because they said, oh, be ready until oh, but it won't be ready until 2022. that's a shame. oh, but it won't be ready until 201scrambling.:'s a shame. oh, but it won't be ready until 201scrambling. they'reime. >> scrambling. they're scrambling we're >> scrambling. they're scram to ng we're >> scrambling. they're scram to get we're >> scrambling. they're scram to get modular we're >> scrambling. they're scram to get modular reactors. re going to get modular reactors. apparently well, next, the apparently well, up next, the university is lowering university of york is lowering the for the entry requirements for international students due to financial challenges with the government's new pledge to tighten university acceptance standards. is york going against it? see you

joins me now in the studio. chris withering . chris withering. >> welcome back. the university of york is dropping its standards and lowering the entry requirements for international students. some will be admitted with the equivalent of a of bbc grades, at a level when most courses require a, a, a. this is apparently in response to the university having financial challenges. so if you're an international student who isn't very academic, don't worry, york will have you . joining me now is will have you. joining me now is professor of politics matt goodwin . now, matt, with the goodwin. now, matt, with the government's new pledge to tighten university acceptance scandal standards, is york going against it? well it's not just york. >> i think lots of universities are going against it. remember what boris johnson promised and dominic cummings in 2019 that britain's universities were going to get the best of the best? we were going to bring the

best? we were going to bring the best global talent into our universities. they were going to go and become go to oxbridge and become scientists we're going scientists and we're all going to benefit wonderful , to benefit from this wonderful, high migration. high skilled migration. as a result . well, fast forward four result. well, fast forward four years. what we can see actually is, is the opposite of that. what's happening in higher education is we've basically seen the numbers of international students rocket the numbers of their relatives have have increased sharply as well. >> so they bring dependent s, they bring dependents as well. >> but they mainly to >> but they mainly go to non—elite institutions outside of oxford, cambridge. and the more, more prestigious russell group. yeah um, the migration advisory committee has shown that they tend to go to , uh, that they tend to go to, uh, they tend to do one year ma programs, 18 month ma programs, and then of course , you're in and then of course, you're in the country, you've got the right to work . you can stay. you right to work. you can stay. you know, usually they for know, usually they stay for longer than years they longer than the two years they can take a job which has no skill salary skill requirement, no salary threshold . they don't need an threshold. they don't need an official sponsor. so what boris johnson did really is sort of liberalise migration

liberalise the student migration system. and the reason is really matters is because if you're a university going through financial problems and basically you're not functioning as a viable, successful business, what you can do now and what we see in situations like york doing and many others, the doing and many others, by the way, use international way, they can use international students and the higher fees that they're paying to basically plug that they're paying to basically plug the hole to basically hide the financial crisis. that's lurking underneath. and so rather than reform higher education and universities make them more effective, make make them more effective, make make them work for britain in a, in a much more important, significant way, we've basically created a ponzi scheme. yeah. where we're bringing in typically low wage, low skill , uh, bringing in typically low wage, low skill, uh, international students typically from india and nigeria. they're bringing in relatives as well, using public services, schools and so forth, and they're propping up a lot of institutions, universities that would otherwise go bust. that's basically happening. would otherwise go bust. that's basicaiis happening. would otherwise go bust. that's basicaiis the happening. would otherwise go bust. that's basicaiis the and|appening. would otherwise go bust. that's basicaiis the and you'lling. would otherwise go bust. that's basicaiis the and you'll be. would otherwise go bust. that's basicaiis the and you'll be an >> so is the and you'll be an expert in this because, you know, you've worked in the university academia university system, in academia for at the for 20 years. you're at the university of kent now, which is

a great university. uh, is the university system almost being gamed , uh, to allow people to gamed, uh, to allow people to come in and just work and bring their dependents who can then work? >> yes. it's $- $— >> yes. it's being gamed. and what seeing are not only what we're seeing are not only students coming in typically to those non—elite universities . those non—elite universities. and then basically they're in they're in the economy, they're in the country. and they've also got high drop out rates, by the way, there's some evidence showing uh, also showing that, uh, but also what worries well is that we worries me as well is that we are lowering standards as are lowering our standards as a result. now, i know a lot of academics myself. i'm not going to give names and institutions, but i know for a fact that people have been told not to fail in national students because the institutions need their money. and i think actually with this york story, i noficed actually with this york story, i noticed lucy fisher at the financial times broke it. um, i actually think this is a tip of the iceberg. i think this is the beginning of a national scandal, actually, about what's happening within higher education. we need

to really take a step back and think, are we doing things as well and as effectively as we should be, because we're not talking about lots of talented high school students going to oxbridge to become scientists, staying in the uk, paying taxes. and so on. we're talking about a very different kind of migration, i don't think , migration, which i don't think, and about this and i've written about this extensively on substack and elsewhere. don't think this is elsewhere. i don't think this is benefiting britain over the longer terms. so we just need to be about what's happening. be real about what's happening. >> piece, >> and your substack piece, which is excellent, by the way, you it's going you mentioned how it's going to impact immigration well impact immigration figures. well i mean, it's already having an enormous impact. >> both the numbers of >> so both the numbers of international students has increased very sharply. the number international students number of international students has dependents, their husbands, wives and children has also increased very sharply. now the government has come out and said james cleverly has come and james cleverly has come out and said, those are said, well, those numbers are going to come down because what they're going to do is say to students their dependents , students and their dependents, they uh , to they can only come, uh, to britain and work and bring relatives if they're on a

research degree. well, what you're going to see is lots of degrees over the next year are just going be repackaged as just going to be repackaged as research degrees. so the universities keep research degrees. so the uni\system keep research degrees. so the uni\system right keep research degrees. so the uni\system right going. keep research degrees. so the uni\system right going. so eep research degrees. so the uni\system right going. so look the system right going. so look at the key point is this. we were promised a high skilled migration policy that would benefit universities , schools, benefit universities, schools, the nhs, etc. what we got and what this is an example of is low skill , low wage, low skill, low wage, non—selective migration, which is propping up institutions that should otherwise go bust. this is bad for britain. it's bad politics, bad decisions. somebody in the government should stand up and say they got it wrong, and somebody should come up with a plan for making our universities what they should be and they to should be and what they used to be, leading be, which is world leading institutions . yeah. institutions. yeah. >> because this seems to be undermine ing just idea that undermine ing just the idea that of britain as place of of britain as a place of academic excellence. i mean, can we can we trust british university degrees now if, if standards are being, being cut so far. well what worries me is if you look globally, the us is

having a very vigorous debate about universities. >> some of your viewers will have picked on the head of have picked up on the head of harvard, just had to resign harvard, who just had to resign because she was discovered to have much of her have plagiarised much of her work. was that work. and there was that testimony about testimony at congress about anti—semitism and so on in america , public confidence in america, public confidence in universities has just fallen to the lowest level on record, according to gallup , which is according to gallup, which is a really prestigious pollster . in really prestigious pollster. in the uk, more than half of people in the yougov polling now say having a university degree is not worth what you're paying for it. so there's a lot of scepticism about higher education. this is really underlining my point . unless the underlining my point. unless the universities get their act together , unless the government together, unless the government gets act together , my big gets its act together, my big worry is actually we're going to see trust in see public trust in universities, in higher education fall off a cliff. it's not just about international students. it's about cancel culture. it's about people getting disinvited from university events. it's about students getting and speakers getting chased off campus. it's about all of these scandals that are rocking higher education.

when people are submitting, you know , um, a funny academic know, um, a funny academic papers to expose to expose the lunacy of, of academic research and the universities are silent on these issues, like the anti—semitism issue recently. they, you know, they wouldn't come out and condemn anti—semite ism unequivocally. and it was left to a few academics to come out and say , you know, we want out and say, you know, we want to speak for british jewish students on campus. you know, we want solidarity with want to express solidarity with them. universities had no them. the universities had no issue expressing solidarity with black lives matter, which later came out in support hamas. so came out in support of hamas. so i think there is a deep double standard running through, um, academic . i'm a, you know, academic life. i'm a, you know, academic life. i'm a, you know, a pariah for saying these things in public. i'll keep saying them because i think british students ice british taxpayer ice the british taxpayer deserves more than this. yeah. and our british students are losing out as well. >> if the university are encouraging overseas students because they get more money, uh, does that does that mean fewer, fewer places for british students? >> there's an argument that

overall, international students might be helping to prop up more universities , and therefore you universities, and therefore you might have more spaces for more british students. but there's a trade because we're trade off, because what we're also doing is lowering standards . yeah. as the york story shows , . yeah. as the york story shows, quite clearly, our british students benefiting from that. i'm so sure. and because of i'm not so sure. and because of the record numbers of dependents that are coming with international students, to give you example, it costs £5,000 you one example, it costs £5,000 a year for a child to go through primary school, £6,000 a year to go through secondary school is the british economy actually benefiting from this record level of student migration and student dependent migration? because i'm not actually convinced the economy is benefiting. it's not what boris johnson talked about in 2019, he said. we'd have world leading scientists. yeah, we have some of those. but actually we have a much larger number of low skilled students coming in from india going to india and nigeria going to non—elite universities and some of whom dropping out before of whom are dropping out before they studies, just they finish their studies, just because britain because they can work in britain

and therefore they don't need to return. yeah at whatever skill level want with no salary level they want with no salary thresholds. i mean, is we thresholds. i mean, this is we can do so much better than this. and that's the point. >> i mean, in final 30s, can >> i mean, in the final 30s, can you solution or do some of you see a solution or do some of these universities just have to go bust eventually? these universities just have to go well,eventually? these universities just have to go well,ev�*think.ly? these universities just have to go well, ev�*think.ly? of these universities just have to go well,ev�*think.ly? of them >> well, i think some of them will eventually simply will go bust eventually simply because of the pressures on higher education. a solution is this finding this a solution is finding politicians who will stand up and , we are no longer going and say, we are no longer going to use mass migration to cover the crisis, not just in universities, but in our social care system, in our economy , in care system, in our economy, in the nhs and beyond , because what the nhs and beyond, because what we're doing is using migration to avoid having to make the really difficult decisions . and really difficult decisions. and that needs to stop. yeah >> well, matt goodwin, thanks so much for joining >> well, matt goodwin, thanks so much forjoining me and explaining this. and please, by matt goodwin's books coming up in an exclusive interview with our political editor christopher hope, former home secretary suella braverman has warned rishi sunak that the british people will not forgive the government if they do not stop

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isabel monday to thursdays from. six till 930. >> welcome back i'm leo kearse in for patrick christys . you've in for patrick christys. you've been getting in touch with your views. let's have a look at some of them . bridget says if these of them. bridget says if these international students can bring their relatives then they should pay their relatives then they should pay in full. each doctor , pay in full. each doctor, dentist and school place they use . she's used of

use. she's used a lot of exclamation marks . she really exclamation marks. she really means this. have not paid means this. they have not paid into a system should get into a system and should not get anything up anything first. free. grow up government. bridget. you make a very good point. you know people are brought into are being brought brought into as, uh , as matt said, up as, uh, as matt said, prop up these universities, but then they're using lots of other services. their dependents are using lots of other services. goal says if my son is predicted bbc in his a—levels , should he bbc in his a—levels, should he go to york? he's british through and through. i actually think he'll get a, a, b because he's really knuckled down. however, let's the bbc. let's run with with the bbc. where is equality in this great nafion? where is equality in this great nation? well, i hope your nation? well well, i hope your son gets three a's. that son gets gets three a's. that would to be great see. and emily says i agree with matt regarding university . i was actually university. i was actually a student of matt's at the university of nottingham many years . universities have years ago. universities have become than woke become nothing more than woke left money making machines. left wing money making machines. i want a woke left wing, money making . um, that'd be making machine. um, that'd be great. and cam says leo for prime minister one day. cam one day. believe in me. anyway.

welcome back. this is patrick christie's tonight on gb news. i'm leo kearse and it's been quite the week in the westminster bubble. the former home secretary suella braverman, sat down for an explosive interview with our political edhon interview with our political editor, christopher hope , her editor, christopher hope, her first since she was sensationally sacked by rishi sunakin sensationally sacked by rishi sunak in november. miss braverman was forthright about the state of the flagship rwanda bill, not being shy about highlighting its shortcomings and even vowing to vote against the legislation if it doesn't come up to scratch. let's take a listen. we need an effective deterrent. >> unfortunate . it's lacking in >> unfortunate. it's lacking in the essential things that are going to make this bill work, thatis going to make this bill work, that is going to stop the boats. we want this to bill work. it currently does not. and to pretend otherwise , i'm afraid, pretend otherwise, i'm afraid, does a disservice to the british public. it amounts to a betrayal to the british public. i'm only going to support a bill that works currently drafted. this works as currently drafted. this bill does not work. and if there are no improvements to it, i

will have to vote against it. i'm afraid. >> joining me now is the political editor of the express online, david maddox . hi, david, online, david maddox. hi, david, thanks for joining us. online, david maddox. hi, david, thanks forjoining us. is online, david maddox. hi, david, thanks for joining us. is suella right to say that the public won't forgive the government if they don't stop the boats ? i they don't stop the boats? i think she's absolutely right . think she's absolutely right. >> and, you know, this is this is a key issue in the election after after the economic issues. this is number two on the list. and frankly, you know , rishi and frankly, you know, rishi promised last year that he'd stop the boats by the end of 2023. he failed . and, uh, 2023. he failed. and, uh, that's, you know, a real reason about why his own future is now in doubt. you know, a lot of people are talking about suella as a potential replacement for him . and, you know, no wonder , him. and, you know, no wonder, uh, next week's going to be really big. really big. i mean , really big. really big. i mean, people are talking about, uh , suella. >> as a replacement for rishi. do you think if this week is a disaster for rishi that could

that could actually happen ? that could actually happen? >> i do i mean, you know, we're looking at the polls again. i've just seen, uh, a poll, um, from this week , you know, putting, um this week, you know, putting, um , labour still 20 points ahead . , labour still 20 points ahead. uh, you know, we're looking at reform coming up in the polls , reform coming up in the polls, eating away at conservative votes. and this is before any potential nigel farage come back. so they're already on 10% with with richard tice a leader and it's, you know, and the reason for this is because people feel betrayed. they feel that they don't have a real conservative government they're not tackling the issues that were but would were promised in 2019, but would be tackled. they don't feel that , uh, they're succeeding in getting kind of a brexit dividend done. and especially on bringing back control of our borders. and you know, i'm afraid, you know, there's a large section of the conservative party now, uh, in terms of mps, they're looking at their seats. they're thinking, well, we're probably not going to win. and uh, frankly, we've

got nothing to lose if we go for a yet another leader, uh, and maybe we'll get it right this time. now for a bit of perspective, i'm going to bring in my new pal, trade unionist andy mcdonald. >> andy, i mean, what did you make of this, uh, interview, do you think, uh, do you think this rwanda bill is as weak as suella s ays? says? >>i says? >> i think it probably is weak. i think the, you know, even the prime minister himself admitted that whole thing was prime minister himself admitted tigimmickiole thing was prime minister himself admitted tigimmick .ile thing was prime minister himself admitted tigimmick . so thing was prime minister himself admitted tigimmick . so i thing was prime minister himself admitted tigimmick . so i think thing was prime minister himself admitted tigimmick . so i think it's1g was prime minister himself admitted tigimmick . so i think it's beens a gimmick. so i think it's been weak from the start. you know, suella champion the rwanda bill and then, well, it wasn't the rwanda rwanda rwanda bill, but the rwanda gimmick. it defeated gimmick. and it got defeated by the courts . you know, the courts the courts. you know, the courts said legal. so she even said it's not legal. so she even lost job kind of just before lost her job kind of just before that happened. so i think it's quite hypocritical her to be quite hypocritical of her to be going, need to stop going, oh, we need to stop the boats. need all this. boats. we need to do all this. when she was home secretary for, what, half? and when she was home secretary for, wha didn't half? and when she was home secretary for, wha didn't t0|alf? and when she was home secretary for, wha didn't t0|alf anyd when she was home secretary for, wha didn't to |alf any of she didn't manage to do any of it. >> yeah. but i mean, in in fairness the, the fairness to suella, the, the home office, the civil service seems everything they seems to do everything they could the way. and could to, to get in the way. and this one of the this is this is one of the issues. david, that we have,

issues. uh, david, that we have, um it's hard for um, i mean, it's hard for a democratically elected government to enact the will of the people when they're when they're up against, uh, you know, the, uh , echr the, um , uh, know, the, uh, echr the, um, uh, the home office, uh, everyone, everyone seems to be a stumbling block . block. >> yeah. i mean, there are so many stumbling blocks. i mean, we saw it as well with priti patel , who was actually, of patel, who was actually, of course, the one who devised for rwanda plan in the first place. uh you know, the credit or discredit , uh you know, the credit or discredit, depending on your perspective , uh, should go in perspective, uh, should go in many ways to pretty but, you know , if it had been allowed to know, if it had been allowed to work, then i think it would have succeeded because it would have provided the deterrent that was needed to break these human traffickers models . you know, in traffickers models. you know, in the end, we don't want people, you know, we're we're on the left or the right of politics. we don't want people profiting and are smuggling human beings often into modern slavery and all the rest of it. and that's

what this issue is, is about. it's not just about control of our laws. it's actually about human , korean stuff as human humanity, korean stuff as well. and you know, uh, there was there are plenty of other things that could be done. i think, uh, andy is right that they should have reduced the numbers more in other respects using other things. but, you know , they're not wrong to go know, they're not wrong to go after, um , rwanda thing. and in after, um, rwanda thing. and in the end, the issue is going to be whether we accept the rules of, uh, foreign bodies like the echr or we accept our own domestic law . and that's going domestic law. and that's going to be a real debate. yeah >> because, i mean, reform, uh, are talking about, uh, about just leaving, um, the echr vetoing it completely so they wouldn't be able to, to do these sort of last minute, uh, last minute bids to, to ground the flights when they're just about to take off. i mean, andy, uh, do you think the time has come for britain to perhaps back away from some of the international institutions or wider institutions or wider institutions govern it and,

institutions that govern it and, you know, take back our sovereignty? >> well, i'm too sure, but >> well, i'm not too sure, but just your point about reform just on your point about reform uk, it's just uk that uk, it's not just reform uk that are saying we should leave are saying that we should leave the know, more the echr, you know, even more mainstream dominic mainstream figures like dominic cummings, the chief cummings, you know, the chief adviser or chief person or whatever call whatever you like to call himself over those years . you himself over those years. you know, favour of leaving know, he's in favour of leaving the blogs about it the echr. he blogs about it every know, every other week. you know, i think if look at think actually, if we look at a legislative priorities, i don't think the one of think leaving the echr is one of them. we can stop the them. i think we can stop the boats without leaving echr. them. i think we can stop the bthinkvithout leaving echr. them. i think we can stop the bthink ithout leaving echr. them. i think we can stop the bthink it should aving echr. them. i think we can stop the bthink it should berg echr. them. i think we can stop the bthink it should be a echr. i think it should be a consideration in that any government whether it's government takes, whether it's conservative, or even conservative, labour or even reform. but i don't think it's in the, know, top five in the, you know, the top five legislative for rishi legislative priorities for rishi starmer tice. you know, who starmer or tice. you know, who whomever minister. yeah whomever is prime minister. yeah >> moving earlier in >> well, moving on, earlier in the week, sir keir starmer caused a with comments caused a stir with his comments towards , accusing towards rishi sunak, accusing him of getting britain on, him of not getting britain on, uh, of, of not getting britain getting called out as dog whistle with some even accusing the labour leader of starting a race row. let's take a look at that exchange . that exchange. >> every week he stands here and tells the country they should be

thanking him, not questioning him. he just doesn't get it. he doesn't get what a cost of living crisis feels like . living crisis feels like. doesn't the country deserve so much better than a prime minister who simply doesn't get britain ? britain? >> now? still with me is the political editor of the express online, david maddox, and trade unionist andy mcdonald. andy what did you make of that? well i think i don't think you know, claire coutinho, the secretary of for the environment and of state for the environment and net zero and energy security. >> she well, she's not the environment, and environment, energy security and net zero. she out i think net zero. she went out i think it times radio either it was on times radio either this morning or yesterday morning that was morning saying that it was a racist dog whistle. i don't think it was. i think it was a reference to a privately educated prime minister who went off university america, off to university in america, made millions in made all his millions in america, married a multi—billionaire , you know, multi—billionaire, you know, married into a multi—billionaire family and just doesn't really understand what working class people across the country and

what normal people , even middle what normal people, even middle class people, i would say are too poor for rishi sunak. he just get britain, you just doesn't get britain, you know, it's not a race thing. it's a it's socioeconomic it's a it's a socioeconomic thing. if anything. >> that's, that's >> yeah. i mean that's, that's a, fair point. uh, a, that's a fair point. uh, david, seen the, you know, david, we've seen the, you know, people boris johnson , who people like boris johnson, who is born . into is definitely born. into privilege, can still raise it and reach across to, to working class voters. who do you think is more out of touch, keir starmer or or uh, or, uh, rishi sunak. david i'm not sure either were in touch really . were in touch really. >> i mean, that's part of the problem. i would say it's, uh , problem. i would say it's, uh, but i mean, just getting back to andy's point, i, i don't disagree with him, but the sophia, i suspect starmer was talking about the kind of the wealth aspect of it and his background and things, rather than race issue . but if it had than race issue. but if it had been the other way around, you can bet that the labour mps would have been piling in, piling in, uh , calling if it had piling in, uh, calling if it had been boris, for example , calling been boris, for example, calling bofis been boris, for example, calling boris racist for saying exactly

the same sort of thing . and, you the same sort of thing. and, you know, just goes to prove that you've got to be very careful with your especially , with your language, especially, you know, if there's a whiff of hypocrisy about the way you conduct yourselves, which i'm afraid there is a bit about starmer and the labour party in that respect. and you know, thank you so much. >> that's , uh, that was david >> that's, uh, that was david maddox, political editor of the express online and trade unionist andy mcdonald. thank you both very much. now a spokesman for sir keir starmer said after the exchange in the commons on wednesday the way in which the prime minister speaks makes that he is no makes it clear that he is no appreciation of reality of appreciation of the reality of life and the struggles that people are facing . the point people are facing. the point that was making when he said that he was making when he said about is the about getting britain is the reality of life facing people , reality of life facing people, i'll stand by that . up next, the i'll stand by that. up next, the advertising standards agency have this week banned an advert from lingerie company calvin klein following complaints that it was overly sexualised and objectified. women, shouldn't we

be celebrating beautiful bodies , be celebrating beautiful bodies, or do these campaigns set unrealistic standards for young women to

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pubuc mere two complaints from the public that it was overly sexualised and objectified. women the advert in question features british musician fka twigs. i thought that was a romanian football team, very lightly clad in a denim jacket , lightly clad in a denim jacket, which just about covers her breasts and her buttocks and the model has hit out at the decision, saying that she feels double standards are at play when comparing her campaign to other calvin klein ads. she added that she was proud of her physicality, who is actually physicality, so who is actually at fault here? the lingerie giant or the advertising watchdog and the people who complained? joining me now to discuss this is discrimination and employment. barrister robin moira white. robin, thanks so much for joining moira white. robin, thanks so much forjoining us, leo. >> glad to be here and shouldn't we be celebrating beautiful bodies in adverts? >> it feels like we've had half a decade of complete munters . a decade of complete munters. >> yeah, i think you've got two competing things. i mean, plainly free speech isn't just about speech . if you're an about speech. if you're an

attractive young person, you should be able to put yourself out there for advertising purposes as twigs wanted to. but equally , objectification of equally, objectification of women is really dangerous for young women, particularly, who feel pressured to appear in a particular way, conform to a particular way, conform to a particular body form . particular body form. >> um, but there are probably some downsides as well . some downsides as well. >> yes, there certainly are . >> yes, there certainly are. >> yes, there certainly are. >> i mean, adverts do this for men as well. i mean, the diet coke ad where he's got the rippling six pack and obviously the calvin klein adverts where, you know, mark wahlberg has got the rippling. there's a lot of rippling six packs in adverts. >> if you're going to advertise underwear, there's going to be a sort of beach level of nudity , sort of beach level of nudity, undoubtedly. otherwise you're not to see the underwear. not going to see the underwear. yeah, think there has to yeah, but i think there has to be a line somewhere. and the advertising standards authority has had to draw a line. yeah, and i'm glad i don't have that task to perform . task to perform. >> um, and do you think, i mean,

part of the problem is that fka twigs, she's named after a number plate. apparently fka twigs isn't wearing that twigs just isn't wearing that shirt. it's, uh, she definitely hasn't hasn't put it on. right. that's, uh, you know, when i try and dress my baby daughter, uh, and, you know, she's she's wriggling out of the. >> come on, it's barely. >> come on, it's barely. >> she's got one arm in her bums hanging out. >> it's arranged for an >> no, it's arranged for an advert. and i think , i mean, the advert. and i think, i mean, the strap line was it's got to be either klein or nothing . either calvin klein or nothing. right. and plainly right. and she's plainly advertising the nothing . advertising the nothing. >> so that could be she could have just used anything like a bit of curtain or anything . um, bit of curtain or anything. um, i mean, do you think she's, she's got a point, though, about the about the double standards or just completely or is this just a completely separate thing, do you think if that separate thing, do you think if tha i'm sure double >> i'm not sure about double standards. i mean, it is a fairly sexual image. i mean, she isn't wearing any isn't actually wearing any calvin klein underwear in an advert . that's a great point. advert. that's a great point. and i'd that, you know, somewhere there has to be a line between free speech on one side

and inappropriate nudity on the other, and where is that line? yeah yeah. >> so there has to be a line, even if it's just a small thong . even if it's just a small thong. uh, thong line. uh, do you think as a nation, though, as a society, we're becoming more prudish ? prudish? >> no, i don't think so. i mean, an advert like that 40 years ago, just wouldn't have been on ago, just wouldn't have been on a billboard at all. >> but ten years ago or 20 years ago. well, probably not ten, but 20 years ago, think it would 20 years ago, i think it would have uh, you know, during have been, uh, you know, during the of sort loaded the height of the sort of loaded , type, uh, mental city. i , uh, type, uh, mental city. i think that that have been think that that would have been acceptable when gail porter was having projected up having her buttocks projected up onto . onto big ben. >> yeah. um, i, i do think , um, >> yeah. um, i, i do think, um, but plainly , people have but plainly, people have different opinions. different people would find the advert acceptable . different people acceptable. different people would find it unacceptable . would find it unacceptable. >> and it's interesting that only two complaints actually came in. uh, do you think there should be a minimum level of complaint ? i mean, if so many complaint? i mean, if so many thousands of people see the advert or hundreds of thousands given it's calvin klein and only

two people complain , i think if two people complain, i think if it's if something's wrong, it's wrong. >> um, and, and, um, who's to say those people are two people are right or wrong? well, indeed , the advertising standards authority there to authority is there is there to take decision for us. yeah take that decision for us. yeah >> think the >> and do you think the advertising standards authority are trying make are perhaps just trying to make some work for themselves to make sure nice public sector sure they're nice public sector salaries pensions keep salaries and pensions keep rolling in. >> i think they've got plenty to do, honest . i think there do, to be honest. i think there has to be a watchdog , do, to be honest. i think there has to be a watchdog, um, because otherwise , you know, because otherwise, you know, advertisers would push matters too far. the public wouldn't be protected. i mean, there are people who will happily advertise things that they shouldn't be advertise things that are dangerous, amongst other things . yeah. something other things. yeah. something else the asa watches for. >> and you don't feel that in this the watchdog is more this case, the watchdog is more of bully ? of an xl bully? >> no, i think that they have a job to do and they've done it. we might all have different opinions as to whether they took

the right or the wrong decision in but in this case. yeah, but somebody's got to do it. >> yeah. well, i think you make a point that an advert for a great point that an advert for underwear should show the underwear should show the underwear rather than somebody. >> if i was choosing >> i mean, if i was choosing what buy. yeah, i'd like to what to buy. yeah, i'd like to see what's being advertised. >> yeah. yeah, absolutely . so >> yeah. yeah, absolutely. so maybe, maybe a little lesson there for, uh, for advertisers in, in the future . um, so, uh, i in, in the future. um, so, uh, i use a, i use a particular high street store that i won't advertise on your channel. why why not? you won't tell us what the high street store is? >> uh , it's. well, it's initials >> uh, it's. well, it's initials are m&s . are m&s. >> is it marks and spencer's? >> is it marks and spencer's? >> might be guessed >> it might be a guessed it. >> it might be a guessed it. >> i'm some kind of genius. >> i'm some kind of genius. >> i'm. i'm an old traditionalist. yeah. and, uh , traditionalist. yeah. and, uh, marks spencer's marks and spencer's made perfectly underwear . perfectly good underwear. >> um, it's not marketed as flagrantly as the calvin klein . flagrantly as the calvin klein. uh, calvin klein. >> and i'm sure no one would want see on poster with want to see me on a poster with a denim shirt draped, um , appropriately. >> well, you could start an onlyfans and put that put that

to the test. um, i mean, do you think a bigger problem with advertising? we're seeing the impact the advertising standards authority mentioned the impact on on young women, and we're seeing adverts on social media on you know, less regulated forums such as instagram, such as tiktok , pushing, you know, as tiktok, pushing, you know, harmful products , pushing, uh, harmful products, pushing, uh, inappropriate beauty treatments or damaging creams or diet pills. yeah, i mean, we we've had a laugh about the story, but there is a serious side and advertising can create a pressure, particularly on young people , to do things that are people, to do things that are inappropriate and to perform them to feel they need to perform to friends or other people inappropriately. >> and that's an important consideration . consideration. >> yeah. well, robin , moira >> yeah. well, robin, moira white, thank you so much for joining us to discuss the calvin klein underwear advert. and coming up after this break, former postal minister sir ed davey apparently could not bring himself to apologise for the it

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>> welcome back to patrick christys tonight with we me leo kearse. earlier today , former kearse. earlier today, former postal minister sir ed davey apparently could not bring himself to apologise for the it scandal which impacted the lives of over 700 postmasters. but is

sir ed davey getting too much blame for this? sir keir starmer has proposed supervised toothbrushing in schools. the scheme would cost £9 million per yeah scheme would cost £9 million per year. is starmer embracing a nanny state? is this a vision of what the next four years could be? and we'll be discussing the front pages for tomorrow's papers, and we'll be looking at our panel's greatest britain and union jackass of choice on my panel this evening. i've got writer and broadcaster emma wolf, author and journalist harriet sergeant, and trade unionist andy mcdonald . unionist andy mcdonald. so we've got a fun hour ahead. but first, here's the headlines with tatiana sanchez . with tatiana sanchez. >> leo. thank you. your top stories from the gb news room,

the uk's maritime organisation is warning vessels to sail with caution after reports of a new attack on a ship southeast of yemen's port of aden. a senior us military official says . us military official says. houthi rebels fired an anti—ship ballistic missile today, but it did not hit any ships. this ballistic missile today, but it did not hit any ships . this is did not hit any ships. this is the first incident and security warning since the overnight uk, us joint strikes on houthi rebels . the yemeni government rebels. the yemeni government says the rebels are responsible for dragging the country into military confrontation. however a spokesman for the militant group says they'll continue to block the passage of ships in the region. in the uk , the prime the region. in the uk, the prime minister says britain needs to send a strong signal houthi send a strong signal that houthi rebel attacks in the sea are rebel attacks in the red sea are wrong . wrong. >> our aim is very clear. it's to de—escalate tensions and to restore stability to the region, and that's why our allies over the past few weeks have issued several statements of condemnation of what's happening, the happening, calling on the houthis desist. indeed, just houthis to desist. indeed, just this week, we've seen a un security council resolution on

condemning what's happening and saying that states have a right to self—defence yes, have to self—defence. yes, we have acted self defence. it's acted in self defence. it's incumbent now on the houthis to stop carrying out these attacks, putting lives risk . putting people's lives at risk. >> ukraine's president has hailed the uk's £2.5 billion military aid package for his country. prime minister rishi sunak made the announcement dunng sunak made the announcement during a surprise visit to kyiv , during a surprise visit to kyiv, with the package including long—range missiles, air defence and artillery shells . mr sunak and artillery shells. mr sunak promised to continue to stand with ukraine in its fight against russia. vladimir zelenskyy says the agreement helps secure his country's future . the former home future. the former home secretary says the rwanda bill, set to be debated in the commons next week, won't stop the boats speaking exclusive to gb news, suella braverman said she'll vote against the bill if there are no improvements by the government . government. >> what we want to see if we want to stop the boats is regular , uh, flights taking off

regular, uh, flights taking off to rwanda with large numbers of passengers, you know, a token flight with a handful of people on them on it is not going to stop the boats. we need an effective deterrent . people are effective deterrent. people are coming over in their thousands on the small boats. they need to know that if they get here, they will be detained. they will be put on a plane and they will be removed to rwanda . removed to rwanda. >> a lawyer acting for the post office has apologised for delays in the disclosure of documents to the inquiry into the horizon. it scandal. chris jackson told the inquiry the post office wants to help reveal the truth and facts behind the fault, which led to hundreds of people being wrongfully convicted of theft. former post office minister and current liberal democrats leader sir ed davey says the company lied to everyone in allegations which the firm denies , and parts of the firm denies, and parts of the firm denies, and parts of the uk are set for more snow and subzero temperatures . the met subzero temperatures. the met office has issued yellow alerts

for snow and ice for much of north of scotland, coming into effect from sunday, and that will last until monday night. conditions are likely to cause travel disruption, with some roads and railways affected. a yellow weather warning for snow andice yellow weather warning for snow and ice has also been issued for northern ireland early next week . you're with gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to . leo to. leo >> thank you tatiana , and >> thank you tatiana, and welcome back to patrick christys tonight with me, leo kearse. earlier today , in an interview earlier today, in an interview with itv, former minister for postal affairs sir ed davey apparently could not bring himself to apologise . for the it himself to apologise. for the it scandal which impacted the lives of over 700 postmen. when repeatedly asked to simply say sorry for his handling of the post office scandal, davey said that he deeply regretted that it took so long for the truth to

emerge , but could still not say emerge, but could still not say sorry to those affected. when pushed ten times by reporter paul brand. let's take a listen . paul brand. let's take a listen. >> why not draw a line under it then just apologise. >> can you apologise to sir, postmasters? >> of course i regret that's not an apology. well, i've said, of course , i think it really is. course, i think it really is. what did he say? >> i am sorry. >>— >> i am sorry. >> well, i've said time and time again that i deeply regret that i was that i was that i was lied to. well, of course, i feel that i'm right to express regret for not getting to the bottom. sorry. >> it's the least they deserve . >> it's the least they deserve. >> it's the least they deserve. >> i'm using the interview with davey comes as the public inquiry into the horizon scandal revealed today that former post office chief paula vennells did not hand over whatsapp messages to the inquiry. let's get the thoughts of my panel now. joining me tonight, writer and broadcaster emma woolf jo , broadcaster emma woolf jo, journalist and author harriet sergeant and trade unionist andy

mcdonald . now, emma, do you mcdonald. now, emma, do you think that ed davey is receiving too much blame for this? i mean, he says the post office lied to him. >> that interview was toe curling. i mean, prince andrew set the bar pretty high. then michelle mone . michelle mone michelle mone. michelle mone almost it off. but this almost topped it off. but this is the classic non—apology apology he says over and over again. i deeply regret that i was lied to . then he says, my was lied to. then he says, my heart goes out to them . do you heart goes out to them. do you know what, leah? i want this former sub postman . chris, former sub postman. chris, i think, um, yvonne . tracy, think, um, yvonne. tracy, yvonne, yvonne, tracy. some something like that. i want to her stand in his constituency. he's got a pretty slim majority. i think it's like 10,000 or something. and this issue something. and if this issue still resonates . with people still resonates. with people because at the moment on the doorsteps in his constituency, it really does. if it carries on throughout the year, then i think ed davey is toast, and i think ed davey is toast, and i think that would be such poetic justice that she would stand against him . has she expressed against him. has she expressed her interest? absolutely. that really? >> yes. >> yes. >> so she's going to stand. she's thinks yes. i mean, it's

almost like she's going to yeah, she's talking about it as standing as independent standing as an independent candidate constituency. candidate in his constituency. that would be beautiful wouldn't it. >> yeah. i mean, that would be that would be poetic. that would be clearly not going be like he's clearly not going to his sir howard. to hand back his sir howard. >> you call it? he's >> what do you call it? he's gone. um gone. his knighthood. yeah. um and he's clearly not going to say so let's boot him out. >> yeah. i mean, it seems like so people missed the so many people missed the opportunity his harriet, deal opportunity his harriet, to deal with tony blair with this. i mean, tony blair was, implicated . was, uh, was implicated. apparently the about faults apparently the knew about faults with the horizon accounting scandal. i can of scandal. i mean, i can kind of understand that if you're the prime if you're high prime minister, if you're a high level know, level minister, uh, you know, listening to problem about problems with what? >> real people, software people , >> real people, software people, little people that run the post office up and down our country in villages and towns. >> not going bother, >> you're not going to bother, are well can't get over is. >> i mean, is.— >> i mean, he is. >> i mean, he keeps on saying. he keeps saying oh, he keeps on saying that. oh, i was lied to as if this exonerates . i mean, if you exonerates him. i mean, if you are in charge of something, anything . i mean a sweetshop, anything. i mean a sweetshop, anything. i mean a sweetshop, anything . surely you ask the

anything. surely you ask the question when something's a little bit off, you ask the question and then you find out what is going on. the whole thing unravels. and to say that he'd never he just accepted. i mean, what is he going to say when he's in charge? and putin does something he's going to say, oh my goodness, putin lied to me. yeah, that's just terrible. it just shows he's completely unfit to be running anything , let alone completely unfit to be running anything, let alone being completely unfit to be running anything , let alone being the anything, let alone being the head of the lib dems. >> well, luckily he's running the liberal liberal democrat, so he's never going to get the chance to run anything more. >> be i mean, you know, they were in charing par. i mean who knows. >> remember our entire >> remember when our entire party could fit in the back of a mini. phone box. was mini. yeah. or a phone box. was it box? it a phone box? >> for those days >> we're heading for those days again, i mean, again, i believe. i mean, andy, do should do you think the unions should have , should have done more have done, should have done more to attention to to bring this attention to people, i think, yes or no. >> the cwu, the kind >> i mean, the cwu, the kind of the posties union, you know, they post submasters they represent post submasters and sub mistresses across the country. they've been campaigning independent campaigning with the independent journalists, , they've journalists, you know, they've been with private i

been working with private eye. i think the only thing that think that's the only thing that private unions private eye and the trade unions agree the post office agree on is that the post office scandal real and, scandal was a real issue. and, you these you know, you see all these these, uh, pro bono solicitors and barristers been and barristers that have been fighting case years fighting this for case years and years they've years and years, and they've been cwu. been working with the cwu. i think done much as think they've done as much as they they've also they can because they've also got, you know, current industrial issues that they've got they've got got to deal with. so they've got to but i think, to balance that. but i think, you know, ed davey, it's just it's baffling. clearly, his press the press adviser did go to the prince andrew school of media. you know, when you're embroiled in a car crash in a crisis, have a car crash interview. just absolutely interview. it's just absolutely baffling. just say sorry. just say sorry. just apologise just to. >> yeah, just i wasn't across everything, you know, as you say, was minister. say, i was a minister. i couldn't be across everything this happened i'm this happened on my watch. i'm sorry. even like we're sorry. it's not even like we're asking resign. just asking him to resign. just apologise. it apologise. literally. then it would have would have would have been. it would have the whole ed thing would the whole ed davey thing would have yeah. it just would have gone. yeah. it just would have gone. yeah. it just would have away. have gone away. >> policemen were going to >> as if policemen were going to suddenly the ground suddenly pop out of the ground and handcuffs on him. if he and slap handcuffs on him. if he said a word, sorry , passed his said a word, sorry, passed his lips. this is this is lips. but this is this is a serious issue. >> i mean, if you if you apologise, wouldn't be then apologise, wouldn't that be then showing of culpability

showing some sort of culpability and, you know, then leaving himself at risk for, for future action? well that's clearly what he no, think people respect a >> no, i think people respect a sorry than i deeply regret sorry more than i deeply regret that i was lied to . which is that i was lied to. which is harriet says it's so disingenuous. and even using this thing a few days ago. oh, he wasn't there. he went to ground ed davey went to ground . ground ed davey went to ground. oh, he was home his oh, he was at home with his disabled really disabled child. okay, i really think not on. he's never think that is not on. he's never missed a pmqs as far as i know. he's never missed a pmqs to suddenly up this thing suddenly come up with this thing about. don't know about. i mean, i don't know whether he was at home with a, with an emergency key, with his, with an emergency key, with his, with but i think that with his child, but i think that kind of dishonesty is just well, it leaves a very bad taste. >> but i mean, we're focusing on the were the individuals that were in charge. know, in high office charge. you know, in high office at the time. mean, seems at the time. i mean, this seems like failure as well. like a systemic failure as well. >> what's so interesting ? >> what's so interesting? >> what's so interesting? >> and is this is the >> and yeah, this is this is the failure of the state or state adjacent, uh, businesses. and as the bigger , we see, the state gets bigger, we see, you portion gdp you know, the portion of gdp spent the state increasing spent by the state increasing year on year, we're sort of drifting into the into communist

territory . might be music to territory. might be music to your ears. andy burnham. aren't your ears. andy burnham. aren't you worried, aren't you worried that the state and you know, former state institutions aren't always the best at being agile and nimble and spotting problems and nimble and spotting problems and dealing with them , and and dealing with them, and instead they use big secrecy to stifle and shut down and cover up things as happened with this scandal. >> yeah, well, i think also it's not just the state that's the issue, but also the, the private sector procurement, you know, the, the way that the ppe, the way that the government offer out contracts to the private sector and the way they can sector and the way that they can bid a failure bid on them, it's been a failure across across across defence against across health, basic health, across across basic pubuc health, across across basic public institutions like this in tech , you know, we really need tech, you know, we really need to start looking and, you know, not cummings not quite dominic cummings again. can't again. oh god. you know it can't be. quoting adviser twice be. quoting a tory adviser twice but but you know, he's been talking we to talking about how we need to reform procurement, reform defence procurement, particularly and years particularly for years and years and we need do it and years, and we need to do it across all government across the board. all government private procurement private contract procurement needs completely needs to be reformed completely to scandals like, i mean, to avoid scandals like, i mean, people lives. yeah people lost their lives. yeah people, their

people, you know, lost their livelihoods. lost , you livelihoods. they lost, you know, things. you know, know, so many things. you know, even of even if they were just years of their and marriages and their lives and marriages and homes and pensions , money, homes and pensions, money, reputations, bankruptcy and stigma and shame and that no matter because to me, 600,000 sounds like that's a lot of compensation per person. >> but you'll never get those years back. you'll never get the things that some of them lost. >> do you what do you >> so what do you what do you think needs happen now for think needs to happen now for for the the victims? think needs to happen now for for well,|e victims? think needs to happen now for for well, |e mean, s? think needs to happen now for for well,|e mean, yes , mass >> well, i mean, yes, mass exoneration is a start . exoneration i think is a start. although, you know, then it calls into question were some of them maybe . but yeah, them maybe. but yeah, i think, i think a mass of overturn of think a mass kind of overturn of that convictions is that wrongful convictions is a start. can you put a can you put a figure on the amount of compensation? i don't know, should be of dependent should it be sort of dependent on happened? and it's going on what happened? and it's going to long time. to take a long time. i just think to start think a few people need to start doing jobs properly. yeah, absolutely. >> harry, think i mean, one of >> harry, i think i mean, one of the things strikes is the things that strikes me is the things that strikes me is the this has been going the way that this has been going on for two years. i mean, we've had this inquiries going on for two now. suddenly the two years now. suddenly the spotlight , it's on it it's

spotlight, it's on it and it's going be every day. we're going to be every day. we're going to be every day. we're going have the next episode, going to have the next episode, the episode . yeah. the next episode. yeah. >> some people got really lucky if they stand in front if they had to stand up in front of judges for the two of the judges for the last two years, but , i of the judges for the last two years, but, i mean, think it years, but, i mean, i think it resonates so much with all of us because in a small way, i mean, nothing like what these poor postmasters have gone through, but in a small way , we all feel but in a small way, we all feel victims of some of these. >> i mean, some of them are private, some of are state, private, some of them are state, some are a hybrid. and some of them are a hybrid. and we're all being kind of trapped in can't through in them. we can't get through to them. suddenly increase our them. they suddenly increase our direct debit . yeah, they're direct debit. yeah, they're incredibly frustrating and frightening. and you can't talk to somebody. you can't get anyone in to help you. >> well, i was reading today about somebody who'd been taken to court for non—payment of their tv licence, and they had learning difficulties and they couldn't. they tried to get couldn't. and they tried to get through on the phone and they were a, you know, were racking up a, you know, phone . and they were phone charge. and they were criminalised and it seemed, uh, you know , obviously, you know, you know, obviously, you know, we compare it to the scale we can't compare it to the scale and horror of the post

and the horror of the post office um, but i mean, office scandal. um, but i mean, it seems, you know, if the bbc licence fee is% shooting people with learning difficulties for not paying their licence, this could be another scandal brewing, another scandal . brewing, another scandal. >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> and harriet's right. you can't get through to anyone. it's facelessness we're it's the facelessness and we're kind know, kind of all, you know, digitally, vaguely, vaguely savvy. mean, if savvy. yeah, but, i mean, if you're who isn't you're an older person who isn't online, who is anyway, missing out on, like, half of society, you know, lower rates for this and and the if and that and the other, if you're not online, not you're not online, if you're not able do you're shut out able to do that, you're shut out from a lot modern world from a lot of the modern world onune from a lot of the modern world online go into the online and you go into the house, park or what is house, you can't park or what is it, those? it, call those? >> yeah , those chat box, >> i mean, yeah, those chat box, but started on but we haven't even started on al mean , what's ai yet. i mean, what's that? yeah, we're having now, yeah, but what we're having now, i mean, you don't wrestling with a box. i mean, you don't wrestling with a i box.think i could do a >> i don't think i could do a worse honest. i mean , worse job, to be honest. i mean, faux pas a low bar. maybe we need replace, davey. need to replace, uh, ed davey. with the government, with al . with the government, with al. >> that's a great idea . >> that's a great idea. >> that's a great idea. >> yeah, but don't don't give, don't give the world economic forum. any ideas like that? because they will do it. this is

this is a dangerous thing. because they will do it. this is this is a dangerous thing . and this is a dangerous thing. and what do make of the fact what do you make of the fact that it really took this itv drama ? i know have been drama? i know there have been journalists investigating beforehand. took this beforehand. uh, but it took this itv drama to actually spur this into consciousness. into the public consciousness. >> , it's depressing that in >> yeah, it's depressing that in a way kind of good in a way it's kind of good in that people watched everybody . people watched it and everybody. i watch originally. i didn't watch it originally. everybody i know that was watching it said, wow, what a story. instantly was story. yeah. instantly it was on the pages because it the front pages because it wasn't sexy. before little people. come what's people. come on. what's less sexy subpostmaster? sexy than subpostmaster? i mean, it just so incredibly it just sounds so incredibly kind of toby jones, doesn't it? and yet he did it beautifully. >> you know, i've got a thing for the shorts. oh, the i know. >> no, my postmaster postings, they're local they're quite my local subpostmaster does subpostmaster definitely does does for me. no, but does do it for me. no, but i mean, wasn't wasn't mean, it just wasn't it wasn't sexy. wasn't a big scandal. sexy. it wasn't a big scandal. and it is it's a huge and actually, it is it's a huge scandal. and, you know . yeah, scandal. and, you know. yeah, that's took. that's what it took. >> advertising for itv. >> great advertising for itv. well, a liberal democrat spokesman said ed's heart goes out to the victims of this terrible miscarriage of justice. ed was lied to by the post

office on an industrial scale. it is the post office which owes an apology to the victims. ed's focus now is on getting justice and compensation as quickly as possible to all those affected . possible to all those affected. ed still hasn't said sorry after the break. sir keir starmer has proposed supervised toothbrushing in schools . the toothbrushing in schools. the scheme would cost £9 million per yeah scheme would cost £9 million per year. is starmer embracing a nanny state? see you in a

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news. this is patrick christys tonight with me. >> leo kearse . it's time now for >> leo kearse. it's time now for our head to head . keir starmer our head to head. keir starmer has announced proposals for supervised toothbrushing in schools. he said that tooth decay is the top reason that children go to hospital . children go to hospital. however, he has since received backing rash of people, saying he's embracing the nanny state, to which he said he is up for that fight. so with tooth brushing in schools costing £9 million a year, is this a good idea ? joining me now to discuss idea? joining me now to discuss this is the head of lifestyle economics at the institute of economic affairs, christopher snowdon . christopher, thanks for snowdon. christopher, thanks for joining us. is starmer embracing a nanny state here? >> uh, not really. >> uh, not really. >> actually, no , not with this >> actually, no, not with this policy. i mean, the nanny state, as i understand it and as i think most people understand it, is treating adults like children, treating children children, not treating children like children, saying that kids

should brush their teeth is yeah, that's paternalism. but paternalism is. and indeed maternalism is perfectly okay, i think, with kids. so the question here is just whether this should parents this should be the parents responsibility, whether it should or should be the government's or teachers i'm not teachers responsibility. i'm not terribly concerned about this issue , leah, to be perfectly issue, leah, to be perfectly honest million is honest with you, £9 million is a tiny amount of money terms of tiny amount of money in terms of health spending in this country. tiny amount of money in terms of hwould pending in this country. tiny amount of money in terms of hwould assume in this country. tiny amount of money in terms of hwould assume because ountry. tiny amount of money in terms of hwould assume because of1try. tiny amount of money in terms of hwould assume because of money. i would assume because of money. you know, the sum of money is so small that it's going to be quite a targeted intervention. and end the day, and at the end of the day, brushing actually brushing your teeth is actually the really works the only thing that really works when preventing when it comes to preventing tooth and £9 million tooth decay. and £9 million doing this is actually a lot more liberal and less nanny state the policy , state than the tories policy, which was making people pay £250 million a year through higher soft drink prices with the sugar tax. >> so you think this is a better way of improving the state of the nation's teeth than, than a sugar tax . sugar tax. >> well, yeah, because the sugar tax didn't improve the nation's health whatsoever. it just made lucas and ribena and irn—bru

taste rubbish. i mean, this is just a fact. it didn't have effect on obesity, didn't have an effect on tooth decay. i don't know whether this particular scheme will work . um, particular scheme will work. um, but if the government had put it this way, if the government has to get involved in this particular is just to get involved in this paria ular is just to get involved in this paria matter is just to get involved in this paria matter for is just to get involved in this paria matter for parents ust to get involved in this paria matter for parents to take not a matter for parents to take responsibility and get their kids to brush your teeth. and let's face there lot let's face it, there are a lot of stupid and feckless parents out there, you can argue out there, and you can argue that have to have out there, and you can argue that teeth have to have out there, and you can argue that teeth rotting have to have out there, and you can argue that teeth rotting out ve to have out there, and you can argue that teeth rotting out because 'e their teeth rotting out because of are to do of it. if we are going to do something about this, i think, you know, some sort of relatively to relatively cheap programme to get brushing teeth is get kids brushing the teeth is better real nanny state better than real nanny state policies like the sugar tax . policies like the sugar tax. >> in writer >> well, let's bring in writer and broadcaster emma woolf . uh, and broadcaster emma woolf. uh, emma, what do you make of this? because i mean, to me, uh, it represents the state encroaching into the responsibility of parents. and certainly in scotland, we've seen, uh, we've seen for example, the named person scheme where the state actually takes full responsibility for, for children and removes it from, uh, removes

it from the parents. and this is, this is, uh , even if it is, this is, uh, even if it means they've got nicer smiles. this this still worries me on an ideological level. >> i don't care about ideology. this is about than nicer this is about more than nicer smiles with children ending up in hospital tooth decay. in hospital with tooth decay. leo um, yes. in an ideal world, as christopher says, ideal as christopher says, in an ideal world, every parent would be responsible. would responsible. everybody would sign contract before they sign a contract before they became parents, and they would agree their agree to make sure their children brushed their teeth and was sent to nursery and school, potty that. potty trained and all of that. the the real the fact is, we live in the real world. children who are world. we have children who are not having their teeth brushed at have children turning at all. we have children turning up who haven't had, uh, breakfast so they breakfast at school. so they have. end up with have. they end up with malnutrition. we have children who overweight and who are becoming overweight and obese. we have to deal with the world as it is and i'm no fan of keir starmer and i'm no fan of nanny state kind of intervention ian. but actually i think this is the best thing. this child health action plan that starmer is apparently touring the uk and going to be touring the uk for

the next year, which is going to be fun for all of us. but this child health plan child health action plan actually really actually contains some really good it's the best thing good stuff. it's the best thing that seen to out of that i've seen to come out of politics in recent months. there hasn't to applaud, has hasn't been much to applaud, has there? need there? you know, children need if, if, if there are children already brushing their teeth all well and good, they get another an extra top up at nursery. i'm not cost £9 not sure why it should cost £9 million. that's that's a of million. that's that's a lot of toothpaste and a lot of toothbrushes. but anyway . toothbrushes. but anyway. >> but, um, i'm worried that this getting in the way this this is getting in the way of nature . uh, maybe darwinism this this is getting in the way of nethat . uh, maybe darwinism this this is getting in the way of nethat some maybe darwinism this this is getting in the way of nethat some people.)arwinism says that some people. >> this is true. >> this is true. >> some people just aren't going to have teeth. you know, that's from that's not fair. from scotland. that's not fair. >> give children the best >> let's give children the best start. the start. let's give them all the help we if they have help that we can. if they have irresponsible parents, that's not fault. they. not the children's fault. they. you know, do we want them with rotten or do we want them rotten teeth or do we want them to be healthy and happy? that is the a a a, you the basic of a of a of a, you know, of a healthy and happy childhood. a little of, childhood. is a little bit of, um, bit childhood. is a little bit of, unhelp. bit of help. >> well, talking happy >> well, talking about happy childhoods, i'll childhoods, christopher, i'll come on uh, come back to you on this. uh, isn't there a worry that this is

just going to be the next thing that are stigmatised that children are stigmatised for bullied for? if you have for and bullied for? if you have to your teeth brushed by a to have your teeth brushed by a teacher state teacher or by some state apparatchik who comes round in a van with a big state sanctioned toothbrush . toothbrush. >> yeah, i mean, i, i really don't know how this is going to work. i mean, i actually £9 million isn't very, very much money, as i say. so you can't i don't this in every don't think do this in every school in the country with every child. so i think to be child. so i think it has to be some of targeted some sort of targeted intervention it's going intervention unless it's going to government to be one of these government schemes that massively increases in something. schemes that massively increases in so something. schemes that massively increases in so not something. schemes that massively increases in so not quite something. schemes that massively increases in so not quite sure thing. schemes that massively increases in so not quite sure what um, so i'm not quite sure what the plan is. and there's a danger this head to head danger of this head to head getting consensual getting a bit too consensual here. disagree on here. so i would disagree on certain things, which is that this only part certain things, which is that thithe only part certain things, which is that thithe of only part certain things, which is that thithe of the only part certain things, which is that thithe of the labour' part certain things, which is that thithe of the labour party'sirt of the of the labour party's childhood action plan, or whatever it's called. other stuff there , which i would stuff in there, which i would say genuinely nanny state say are genuinely nanny state policies include support sunak incremental tobacco ban, which isn't about children at all. it's about young adults and ultimately adult . it's about young adults and ultimately adult. um, the ultimately every adult. um, the ban on so—called junk food advertising, that's real nanny

state stuff, because that actually does infringe on adult christopher. >> that stuff is ludicrous . do >> that stuff is ludicrous. do you think child in the you think any child in the country is watching television, is normal ? they're all is watching normal? they're all on youtube and online anyway . do is watching normal? they're all on ythinkie and online anyway . do is watching normal? they're all on ythinkie and oisine anyway. do is watching normal? they're all on ythinkie and ois watchingy . do you think anyone is watching television at 9:00 then television at 9:00 and then turns off goes to bed? turns it off and goes to bed? that's children operate. that's not how children operate. anyway um, the anyway so that so that, um, the watershed , the 9 pm. watershed, watershed, the 9 pm. watershed, it's bit a red herring, it's a bit of a red herring, isn't it? >> mean, m- >> i mean, that's a that's a fair point. the watershed is for an older time when, when tv an older time when, uh, when tv viewing was all linear. >> yeah, but the ban also includes a 24 hour online ban , includes a 24 hour online ban, including things like there's facebook ads and stuff like that. so this is, well, good luck with regulating the internet, mate. >> anyway , thank you to thank >> anyway, thank you to thank you to both of you. thanks to the head of lifestyle economics at the institute of economic affairs, christopher snowdon , affairs, christopher snowdon, and writer and broadcaster emma wolfe. now, up next, after the break, we'll be discussing the front pages of tomorrow's newspapers with our amazing panel newspapers with our amazing panel, plus their greatest britons and union jackasses.

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>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> this is patrick christys tonight with me, leo kearse only on gb news. now it's time to bnng on gb news. now it's time to bring you tomorrow's news tonight in the most entertaining paper review on this or any other channel. it's much better than headliners yeah, you heard it. the very first front pages have just been delivered from a press pack . and the, uh , the press pack. and the, uh, the daily express, as britain must outlaw iran terror group in our midst. that's a that's about the islamic revolutionary terror revolutionary islamic revolutionary islamic revolutionary guard corps, uh, which is a terrorist organisation, uh, that are apparently in the uk. i'm assuming from that, from that headline. >> definitely. they are slightly worrying. >> and this is, this is kind of what i was talking about in my monologue. >> exactly what you made this

point. and because i've actually sort of, uh, interviewed quite a lot iranians and yeah, lot of iranians and yeah, they've been pursued here. >> i'll just go through the papers before we dig into them. so the times, uh, leads with houthis on the warpath, rebels say that all us and british interests are targets, and cameron refuses to rule out fresh strikes . that's not him fresh strikes. that's not him going on strike. in case anybody's getting excited, uh, the daily telegraph has shapps warns iran patience is running out . the defence secretary out. the defence secretary orders tehran to call off houthi thugs after uk strikes on yemen. i'm sure iran don't want to escalate the situation any further. uh, the i paper has cameron played key role in uk bombing yemen rebels ? um, the bombing yemen rebels? um, the daily mail has , uh, she simply, daily mail has, uh, she simply, simply slipped away. this is, uh, this is looking at the queen's last day . uh, it's queen's last day. uh, it's a historic and moving memo . and historic and moving memo. and elizabeth ii's passing . and elizabeth ii's passing. and finally, the daily star has has something, uh, a bit more

light—hearted riddle of the auen light—hearted riddle of the alien babies, mexican mummies, eggs not from this planet. so where are the kids? and they've got a picture of a supposed auen got a picture of a supposed alien mummy. they're not an alien, daddy. uh so that is the daily star. and those were your front pages . and let's have front pages. and let's have a closer look at the story. i mean , talking about this, uh, islamic revolutionary guard corps as you know. you know something about this, uh , organisation. >> i followed this writing about iranians who are protesting the terrible things that are being done to women who've been murdered. lash out just for showing a little bit of hair. yeah. uh, and also, this is the islamic morality police in iran. they've actually got the islamic guards here, and they're threatening various iranians who have been protesting . and the have been protesting. and the one person who iranians who fled iran, uh , and sought refuge came iran, uh, and sought refuge came here as asylum seekers are now being followed, uh, followed to

the uk and harassed in the uk, the uk and harassed in the uk, the uk and harassed in the uk, the uk . the uk. >> and so they've moved, they've actually had to claim asylum from the from the uk. from the uk, from the uk. >> is insane. >> that is insane. >> that is insane. >> i mean that shows the extent of the problem know, of the problem with, you know, perverse ideology perverse and dangerous ideology is taking root in the uk , this is taking root in the uk, this country and us allowing, uh, allowing the, you know, iranian secret police and also, i mean, chinese secret police have been active in the uk as well. uh, i mean, this this is this is terrifying. emma >> yeah. i mean, this call on the front of the daily express to prescribe them, to prescribe them as a terrorist organisation . i'm just not. i mean, i know this matters, and it matters in terms of what you can. then do and you can ban and and what you can ban and whatever, it just of whatever, but it just sort of i'm sure iran's islamic i'm not sure that iran's islamic revolutionary guard corps are going to be quaking in their boots at that tonight. you know, i think they've got quite um, i think they've got bigger to think they've got bigger fish to fry. this obsession fry. and this obsession with what them always seems what we call them always seems to me a little bit, a little bit, but at least they've been called out british centric. >> mean, know, iran and

>> i mean, you know, iran and what we've, we've we get very overexcited about hamas and about hezbollah and now about the houthis. i know, but we had iran is the player and we are not going to defeat any of those three players unless it's iran. >> we're not going to >> but we're not going to neutralise without without concerted action and without diplomacy and without all that. it's just it's just we had weeks of bbc called them of whether the bbc called them terrorists or not. and it's like, that's worries like, but that's what worries me about this state >> this is this is state sponsored terror. this is iranian terror groups, iranian sponsored terror groups, and this isn't in in lebanon or yemen. this is on our soil. >> this is on the british soil, which to me, i mean, that's wow . which to me, i mean, that's wow. >> i mean, you know, i look at the news, i look at what's happening in gaza and lebanon and yemen and i'm like, wow, that looks terrible. if it's happening here, that's that's happening here, that's a that's another level horror. mean, another level of horror. i mean, this does this where are you, andy. >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, you know, is only accused. it know, it is only accused. it is only alleged that these things have been happening. of course, you it have been happening. of course, yoalleged. it have been happening. of course, yoalleged. is it have been happening. of course, yoalleged. is only it have been happening. of course, yoalleged. is only accused. is alleged. it is only accused. you know, legally is only

you know, legally it is only accused. it's only allegedly, you know, legally it is only achknow,:'s only allegedly, you know, legally it is only ach know, :'s o allegedly. ily, you know, oh, allegedly. allegedly. only allegedly. >> people who . >> but people who. >> but people who. >> yeah of course, but allegedly it alleged. yeah. yeah. and it is alleged. yeah. yeah. and you this is it is you know if this is true, it is it's deeply, deeply worrying, harry. >> genuinely i've spoken to people this this happened to people this this has happened to i i wrote about i mean, somebody i wrote about and then became very and then then became very friendly with and i followed. >> i don't want to say too much to put them in jeopardy, but i know exactly happened to know exactly what's happened to them. and to a number them. yeah. and to a number of others as well. yeah. >> i mean , that that >> wow. i mean, that is that is shocking. back to yemen, shocking. moving back to yemen, uh, the houthi rebels are saying that all us and british interests are targets. so if you are taking the yacht out this weekend , i'd avoid the red sea weekend, i'd avoid the red sea and cameron refuses to rule out fresh strikes . fresh strikes. >> we've we've sort of drifted into this, haven't we? i mean, this is now getting extremely serious. and because, for one thing and another , the houthi thing and another, the houthi and the yemen situation has not beenit and the yemen situation has not been it has been on the front pages, but it hasn't been as high profile as other issues over the past few weeks , and i over the past few weeks, and i

suppose of christmas and suppose because of christmas and new is new year. but this thing is really, quite , um, quite, really, really quite, um, quite, um , febrile. yeah. the situation um, febrile. yeah. the situation eight years of conflict there with saudi arabia bombing the i mean, over the past few weeks and maybe the past month, it's become extremely , extremely become extremely, extremely dangerous. and look where we are now. well, yeah. >> since since the, uh, you know, conflict in, in gaza know, the conflict in, in gaza kicked off and, and now the houthi rebels are slipped into shooting. well, you know, firing drones and missiles at, uh, well, at israel, but also at ships in the red sea, ships that are bringing us our flat screen tvs. >> i don't understand. and i think our leaders are actually making a huge mistake here because we are acting like the world's policeman . now, are because we are acting like the w0|acting>liceman . now, are because we are acting like the w0|acting like nan . now, are because we are acting like the w0|acting like the . now, are because we are acting like the w0|acting like the world's are we acting like the world's policeman? this is. i mean, we want the west . well, so a lot of want the west. well, so a lot of other countries, i mean, what the west seems to not have noficed the west seems to not have noticed is increasing noticed that there is increasing number of countries who simply don't agree with our position on ukraine and on israel. and now with the houthis. yeah. and they

no offence to those countries, but they tend to be pretty rubbish. well, they i mean, i think , i think they're not think, i think that they're not quite stupid because have quite stupid because they have seen that are increasingly seen that we are increasingly weak and america and us, i mean, weak and america and us, i mean, we don't even have the we don't even have the crew enough sailors to send out a ship there. so we are increasingly weak. and they are i identifying with the kind of bully boys and who wouldn't? which is russia, iran and china , i think. and we iran and china, i think. and we are, i agree with you. >> i agree with you, harry. and i felt the same. i initially thought, look, we need to stop trying to fix other people's problems, i think problems, but actually, i think as you indicating, we are as you were indicating, we are implicated in all of this. it does affect us. affects us, does affect us. it affects us, of especially this of course, especially this situation in the red sea. i mean, it really in the in the suez the red sea is a suez canal, the red sea is a global situation . global situation. >> and why are we doing >> exactly. and why are we doing it? instance, china, it? that, for instance, china, 60% to europe 60% of china's trade to europe goes through the red sea, right? 60. it's in china's it's in china's interest for this to and

china's interest for this to and china is obviously not part of the sort of the, uh, usa , the the sort of the, uh, usa, the western hegemony . western hegemony. >> uh, so if we're talking about a multi—polar world, china obviously wants to disrupt that. but this is backfire on china as well. exactly >> so why not sit back and let other countries , other players other countries, other players take on and try and get together trying through diplomacy to get a global? >> we never sit down and talk about it. we just bomb the hell out of it. >> i think we're making a i mean, i think that's that's unfair. >> we've i mean, it's a >> we've i mean, it's taken a long for us to get okay. long time for us to get okay. it's lot of a long time it's taken a lot of a long time to, to the stage of to, to get to the stage of bombing. and we're still not putting the in putting troops on the ground in yemen we've yemen because i think we've seen, how has yemen because i think we've seen, catastrophically has yemen because i think we've seen, catastrophically wrongis gone catastrophically wrong in iraq . iraq. >> i think, you know, just bringing it slightly back the bringing it slightly back to the uk. really uk. i think what will be really interesting monday interesting, i assume on monday or be an urgent or tuesday there'll be an urgent question the comments and question in in the comments and it interesting question in in the comments and it andrew interesting question in in the comments and it andrew mitchell'esting question in in the comments and it andrew mitchell responding see andrew mitchell responding to that the commons. you to that in the commons. you know, ranking minister know, he's the ranking minister in office. in the foreign office. obviously, in obviously, lord cameron's in the house think it house of lords, so i think it will really interesting to will be really interesting to see how that kind of scrutiny is

held with a slightly junior held up with a slightly junior minister taking role minister taking on the role that a foreign would a foreign secretary would normally do. i should be taking on interesting the on incredibly interesting the parliamentary see, parliamentary process to see, like how it's actually to like how it's actually going to work, andrew mitchell , like how it's actually going to worisure andrew mitchell , like how it's actually going to worisure great andrew mitchell , like how it's actually going to worisure great andryou iiitchell , like how it's actually going to worisure great andryou know, l , i'm sure great guy. you know, he's been in the commons forever. very experienced. >> he's very experienced. he's not junior minister not like junior junior minister though it'll be he he's a deputy. can't, you know, deputy. he can't, you know, technically speak for the foreign secretary. >> to because he >> well he has to because he doesn't think has the >> well he has to because he doessecurity think has the >> well he has to because he doessecurity briefing, has the >> well he has to because he doessecurity briefing, but as the >> well he has to because he doessecurity briefing, but he the full security briefing, but he has to in the. so it would be incredibly interesting to watch the it the urgent question when it comes monday, the democratic deficit with deficit that we ended up with when cameron when we made lord cameron a lord, there and lord, shoved him in there and then secretary then made him foreign secretary within about ten minutes. >> yeah, but now he can't be. it's very good point that that it's a very good point that that can't the can't be scrutinised by the commons. exactly commons. and this is exactly we're into we're sort of floating into a war exactly the moment when you should be. >> do you think this could, uh, could escalate beyond just the limited strikes on military targets and could targets in yemen and could explode into wider regional conflict? >> well , look, conflict? >> well, look, saudi arabia has been doing devastating strikes on the houthis. i think what you said 8 or 10 years and this is

just a pinprick for the houthis . just a pinprick for the houthis. in fact, they're thrilled about this because this has raised their profile . i mean, they're their profile. i mean, they're saying, look, we're the only people taking on the west over the palestinians. you know , the palestinians. you know, great for us. we're the heroes here. >> yeah. i mean, i think, you know, british military not to not to, you know, denigrate, uh, saudi arabia's military capabilities. but i think britain and america, we've got the best intelligence, we've got the best intelligence, we've got the . i think our the best tech. i think our strikes will be having we haven't got sailors to such great tech. >> well, this, this, this is the thing that worries me. the problem is the issues with military recruitment . military recruitment. >> because this does escalate >> because if this does escalate into conflict into a wider conflict and it could a flashpoint, you could become a flashpoint, you can see, uh, you know, china invading taiwan , you can see invading taiwan, you can see russia, uh, possibly looking to invade, uh, invade , uh, even invade, uh, invade, uh, even finland or sweden. yeah. uh if we do get embroiled into a bigger global conflict, is the west. do we have enough , uh, west. do we have enough, uh, over the resources ? but do we over the resources? but do we

have the will to actually fight? >> well, exactly. and also , the >> well, exactly. and also, the other thing, i mean, we've got to decide. i mean, it's all very well saying. yeah, we've got to give large amounts money give large amounts of money to the welfare, whatever , the nhs, to welfare, whatever, all of that. actually, if we all of that. but actually, if we can't defend, defend the values, if we we're not going to have i mean, you're not going to have lgbt rights, you're not going to have a welfare state under putin or iran or whoever. have a welfare state under putin or iran or whoever . according to or iran or whoever. according to queers under the influence . queers under the influence. >> according to queers for palestine , uh, hamas are great palestine, uh, hamas are great friends of the lgbtq sophia plus plus two. >> ask them off. what is it? they hang them off. cranes that's the way they show. well, they've got to. >> no, because they don't have any buildings to throw them off. >> um, can mention something any buildings to throw them off. >> lon can mention something any buildings to throw them off. >> lon the mention something any buildings to throw them off. >> lon the front ntion something any buildings to throw them off. >> lon the front nti the omething any buildings to throw them off. >> lon the front nti the times? 1g any buildings to throw them off. >> losorry front nti the times?�*|g any buildings to throw them off. >> losorry front ntiplease1es?1g any buildings to throw them off. >> losorry front ntiplease do.“|g yeah. sorry oh, no. please do. no, just going to say no, i was just going to say still, idris i don't still, idris elba. and i don't mean banging on, it's mean still banging on, but it's brilliant still brilliant that he's still going on about knife this was on about knife crime. this was a few right? yeah but few days ago, right? yeah but it's of the it's still on the front of the times, great times, which is great because sadiq in first eight sadiq khan, in the first eight years, the first eight years of

his mayoralty and he'll be re—elected again, it's re—elected again, and it's a scandal . a thousand homicides in scandal. a thousand homicides in london in his first eight years. and i just think this issue of knife crime and of crime levels in he's claiming in general, he's claiming they've haven't. they've dropped they haven't. the streets are safe . the streets are not safe. they're not for older they're not safe for older people. safe for people. they're not safe for women. they're certainly not safe young especially safe for young men, especially not men . and i think not young black men. and i think this knife thing that this knife crime thing that i just elba is banging on about is, important. is, is really important. >> khan to >> and sadiq khan seems to be coasting not putting coasting and he's not putting any or attention. he's any resources or attention. he's cut he's cut number of cut he's cut the number of homicide detectives in london, cut . cut them. >> he's obsessed with ulez. he's obsessed inventing air obsessed with inventing fake air pollution . and he's pollution stats. and he's obsessed with woke. you know, showing his credentials and showing his woke credentials and he's obsessed funding he's obsessed with funding firework displays at the cost of millions of pounds for londoners. so you know what? and he's ever spoken, you he's never, ever spoken, you know, come out and spoken to the press about the issue of knife crime. so i think this is a really, really important and good on idris elba. >> and it's election year for sadiq you sadiq khan. and what do you think his prospects? think of his prospects? but look at candidate. think of his prospects? but look at is candidate. think of his prospects? but look

at is worse candidate. think of his prospects? but look at is worse than ndidate. think of his prospects? but look at is worse than aiidate. think of his prospects? but look at is worse than a chocolate >> she is worse than a chocolate teapot, you know, i mean you've got susan hall for the conservatives. >> you've got what is it, howard cox? >> she's really good. he's really nice guy. really good. nice guy. >> some work him. >> i've done some work with him. he's a nice guy, but he won't. >> but you think he's got >> but do you think he's got a chance london? >> but do you think he's got a chance you>ndon? >> but do you think he's got a chance you know,�* >> but do you think he's got a chance you know, you look the >> but you know, you look at the conservatives they were conservatives when they were selecting their candidate, they appeared daniel korski. candidate. daniel korski. turned out so, you out he was a groper. so, you know, the one good shot that they at beating sadiq khan they had at beating sadiq khan allegedly alleged? um, yeah. allegedly. allegedly alleged? um, yeah. allegec allegedly allegedly alleged? um, yeah. allegecallegedly groper. you allegedly alleged? um, yeah. allegehe.legedly groper. you allegedly alleged? um, yeah. allegehe pulled' groper. you allegedly alleged? um, yeah. allegehe pulled out|roper. you allegedly alleged? um, yeah. allegehe pulled out allegedly know, he pulled out allegedly isn't card can isn't a magic card that can legally perfect. it's legally it's perfect. it's beautiful. it's beautiful. it's allegedly was he allegedly a groper. it was he apologised for it. so. all right, um, that's why ed davey that's why ed davey apologise. you've just you've just pointed out issue. out the issue. >> the reason why ed davey won't say soon you say say sorry as soon as you say sorry, everybody's like, ah, it's didn't it. >> or if you pay someone £10 million money. yeah million in hush money. yeah i think says you're guilty. think that says you're guilty. but would disagree think that says you're guilty. but it would disagree think that says you're guilty. but it doesn't would disagree think that says you're guilty. but it doesn't evenrvould disagree think that says you're guilty. but it doesn't even work disagree think that says you're guilty. but it doesn't even work anymore and it doesn't even work anymore because court because the court the court documents released anyway. documents get released anyway. >> got feel >> yeah. you've got to feel sorry. get that sorry. is he going to get that money don't know, uh, money back? i don't know, uh, but yeah. knife crime london but yeah. knife crime in london is yeah,i

but yeah. knife crime in london is yeah, i mean, i've written >> yeah, i mean, i've written a lot about gangs, and i've befriended a gang . and i befriended a gang. and i remember speaking to one of the leader, aged 15, and i said , leader, aged 15, and i said, well, how many people he had four friends who had been murdered at the age of 15. >> yeah. so they take their phone, their keys, their wallet and knife. that is how you and their knife. that is how you have to and thing is, have to be. and the thing is, young get into fights young men will get into fights when knife or gun when you have a knife or a gun on , it becomes a fatal, you on you, it becomes a fatal, you know. yeah, yeah. >> there's generation of >> well, there's a generation of kids, see coppers. >> policeman. no one. >> glasgow policeman. no one. yeah. no one intervenes. >> shocking. coming up, >> shocking. anyway, coming up, our have selected their our panel have selected their greatest britain and union jackass. you in a

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conflict. that's about yemen and how it's going to affect , uh, how it's going to affect, uh, affect the cost of living crisis with soaring oil and shipping costs threatening a hike in household bills and we also have the independent, which has houthis vow revenge as us and uk launch airstrikes on yemen . and launch airstrikes on yemen. and we also have some of your views. so doreen has emailed in, uh, saying when we were kids, we couldn't afford things like toothpaste or toothbrushes. we rubbed salt or even soot on our teeth . i'm 83 and i still have teeth. i'm 83 and i still have my own teeth. that is amazing work, doreen. i'm gonna try that. heard i've heard of that. i've heard i've heard of unorthodox things like that. ash would seem to . would seem to. >> salt. yeah. >> salt. yeah. >> yes. salt. i wouldn't have thought . salt. thought. salt. >> don't sugar. >> don't try sugar. >> don't try sugar. >> yeah . just rub some nutella >> yeah. just rub some nutella into your gums. >> i'm sure i've heard of twigs. like people twigs, like people using twigs, like bark and stuff. >> , yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> not a twix, but that's a >> not not a twix, but that's a really good point that your viewer there people >> there. there are also people who poverty. who are living in poverty. and so brushing thing so this tooth brushing thing that banging on about. that i was banging on about.

yeah, , it does it does yeah, you know, it does it does actually lot families actually help a lot of families and don't it. and they don't need it. >> salt or some >> just rub some salt or some soot mouth. i don't know soot in your mouth. i don't know where soot from. where you get the soot from. >> my three year old was running around morning screaming at around this morning screaming at me in the living room. he's going, it's too going, it's too minty. it's too minty. said, okay, we'll minty. and i said, okay, we'll get you some strawberry toothpaste. is toothpaste. but the struggle is real. yeah. to get your kids to brush their teeth when they're little. it's fun . little. yeah, it's not fun. >> my daughter >> yeah, i know my daughter loves don't know uh, loves it. i don't know why. uh, linda i don't understand linda says i don't understand why parents taking why parents aren't taking responsible city. is child responsible city. it is child abuse. basically great point linda. mean, people really linda. i mean, people really need step don't know if need to step up. i don't know if parents distracted by their parents are distracted by their phones come on, phones or whatever, but come on, it's your kids. you've got to put the effort in. and so i'm joined again by press pack joined again by my press pack writer broadcaster emma writer and broadcaster emma woolf journalist and author harriet and trade harriet sergeant and trade unionist andy mcdonald . and it's unionist andy mcdonald. and it's time to reveal the panellist nominee for greatest britain and union , jackass. uh, harriet, union, jackass. uh, harriet, what have you got for your greatest britain? >> well , i've got we were >> well, i've got we were discussing it earlier , but i've discussing it earlier, but i've got idris elba because i've, as i said, you know, i've written a

lot about gangs and interviewed a lot of them. and i feel they just get forgot on and well done. him for coming forward and saying that knives, machetes, ban them and more money spent on community activities for these young kids . young kids. >> okay. yeah. to stop the knife crime epidemic in london. uh, andy, who have you got? is your greatest britain? >> i chose, um, keir starmer. funnily enough , keith funnily enough, uh, keith himself. . uh, i himself. keith himself. uh, i thought, you know, this dentistry thing. i didn't even know going because know emma was going because i advocate for it so strongly. i just dentistry just thought this dentistry thing you know? thing is bang on, you know? it'll save a few dentists appointments, know, it'll appointments, you know, it'll just not just bring it home. it's not nanny state they're nanny state because they're kids, kids. nanny state because they're kid�*some kids. nanny state because they're kid�*some kids kids. nanny state because they're kid�*some kids actually kids. nanny state because they're kid�*some kids actually need.. nannies. >> yes did, i had chosen keith >> yes i did, i had chosen keith so keith starmer. but now i'm going to nominate leo kearse instead . oh no way. yeah. why instead. oh no way. yeah. why not. so chuffed by the night hero charlie i hope you're british greatest britain. yeah well oh no sorry that was my jackass. i've got my union.

sorry got mixed up. >> i've got to pick one and i'm going to go with me. um, no, i'll go with idris elba because i'll go with idris elba because i don't think that. i don't think toothbrushing is think the toothbrushing thing is that great. i think britain's famous teeth famous for having terrible teeth , and this is going to ruin. it's to ruin that it's going to ruin that stereotype. will people stereotype. and what will people marcus nothing marcus for? there's nothing else. now let's move on to else. and now let's move on to your union, jack, because your child loves brushing her teeth. >> hanging all the >> you're just hanging all the other kids out to dry. yeah that's it basically. basically. >> . >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> and bet she's not brushing >> and i bet she's not brushing her she's just her teeth. i bet she's just swallowing the toothpaste. >> , does the >> yeah, she does eat the toothpaste, but it's baby toothpaste. eat it. toothpaste. you can't eat it. i have a cracker sometimes. have it in a cracker sometimes. uh, anyway, harry, who have you got as your jack? well, got as your union jack? well, sadiq khan khan, i'm glad that everyone agrees with me here. >> he's total of >> i think he's a total waste of time. he's done about time. he's done nothing about tackling which he tackling knife crime, which he should. he's a labour. he. he's mayor. he should have used his power over all these years to do something. >> yeah . and it's a shame that >> yeah. and it's a shame that the opposition turn against him isn't as strong as it was last time round. i think we need we need somebody of the calibre of

shaun bailey. need somebody of the calibre of she exactly. ey. a great fan of >> exactly. i'm a great fan of shaun love fantastic . shaun. no, no, i love fantastic. >> you know. yeah. his comments around carol vorderman were completely . completely inappropriate. >> his comments around carol vorderman absolute fine. vorderman were absolute fine. anybody got upset about that anybody who got upset about that oh god. like a little comment oh my god. like a little comment in it's i mean it's in a tweet. it's i mean it's great that women have got a white knight like you, andy, to ride into battle for goodness. but your union jack. but he's your union jack. >> jack joey barton, >> my union jack is joey barton, funnily enough. you know, talking about white knighting funnily enough. you know, talking ium,t white knighting funnily enough. you know, talking ium, youite knighting funnily enough. you know, talking ium, you know,ghting funnily enough. you know, talking ium, you know,githink women. um, you know, i think he's acted an absolute he's just acted like an absolute moron you know, he moron on twitter. you know, he started mediocre started as a mediocre professional footballer and new yorker premier league , he yorker whose premier league, he was like five minutes, you know, he very often. and he didn't play very often. and when play, wasn't very when he did play, he wasn't very good. and got english kids. good. and he's got english kids. oh sympathetic. he's oh man, i feel sympathetic. he's a mediocre pundit and a he's a mediocre pundit and he's just gone on this, on he's just gone on this, gone on this know , this bizarre little, you know, not fired. that's fine. it's fine being, you know, right wing on yeah. go it. on twitter. yeah. go for it. whatever he's gone down whatever but he's gone down this weird hole of weird kind of rabbit hole of just at, like, just having a go at, like, children or something. >> and now he's saving, literally country. literally saving the country. like then he went my grandfather, great

grandfather, my great grandfather, my great grandfather gassed ypres. grandfather was gassed in ypres. therefore if i can save the country, it was baffling. >> but moron. >> but moron. >> well, i haven't i haven't read all his tweets, but i did read all his tweets, but i did read of tweets that he read some of the tweets that he got stick for when was got in stick for when he was criticising football criticising the football pundits, and i thought female football pundits, female football pundits, female football don't see football pundits, i don't see genden football pundits, i don't see gender, i thought, fair gender, but i thought, fair enough, just saying what enough, he's just saying what everybody knows . but we can't everybody knows. but we can't say because we're scared because we might get into trouble or you might get called sexist. emma, who's jack? ed davey who's your union? jack? ed davey ed . yeah. any particular ed davey. yeah. any particular reason ? reason? >> uh, well, yeah, he's been in a trouble few, um, a bit of trouble over a few, um, people fiddling the bills at the post office. yeah. >> and think he will be >> and you think he will be pressured to hand back that? >> think he'll last the >> i don't think he'll last the yeah >> i don't think he'll last the year. does, if he year. i mean, if he does, if he if he it out. if he eats it out. >> election, though, if he gets that far to the election and goodness that may be at goodness knows that may be at the end of the year, it may even drag time next yeah >> but if makes yeah >> but if makes to the >> but if he makes it to the election, he'll be election, i think he'll be booted out. right. >> well, i think i've got to pick, though it's been pick, even though it's been a terrible sir ed davey, terrible week for sir ed davey, he hasn't come out and shining

colours. i've got to sadiq colours. i've got to pick sadiq khan because he's. how many khan because he's he's. how many terms is it now? two terms. he's just going on. >> know, thought you >> do you know, i thought you had to leave after terms. had to leave after two terms. >> , he, he can a third. >> no, he, he can do a third. don't fourth time. yeah. don't do a fourth time. yeah. >> limit. >> there's no limit. >> there's no limit. >> we're democratic forever >> so we're democratic forever in countries. in democrat countries. >> a limit like that. in democrat countries. >> not a limit like that. in democrat countries. >> not london.ike that. but not not in london. >> not in london, not in sadiq khan's london. the republic of london. >> no. >> no. >> this man seems completely unaccountable . i mean, he has unaccountable. i mean, he has a lot of power, a lot of money. yeah, big budget. and he doesn't eveh yeah, big budget. and he doesn't ever. londoner , he ever. i mean, as a londoner, he seems unaccountable . seems completely unaccountable. in fairness, except for the election, all the combined authorities tip. election, all the combined aut you ies tip. election, all the combined aut you know, tip. election, all the combined aut you know, andy tip. election, all the combined autyou know, andy burnham, mayor >> you know, andy burnham, mayor of greater manchester. yeah. everyone of greater manchester. yeah. evenlabour, but a pretty he's labour, but he's a pretty good greater good mayor of greater manchester. think manchester. yeah, i think no one's complaining. he's running for know, for a third tum. you know, i suppose, mean he has i suppose, but i mean he has i think you're a good leader, think if you're a good leader, you should run. >> introduce. >> he refused to introduce. he refused to introduce ulez cameras. the cameras. he rolled back the scheme introduce ulez scheme to introduce ulez cameras. i think ulez cameras. and i think ulez cameras. and i think ulez cameras blatant grab. cameras is a blatant cash grab. every body can see that. hopefully the hopefully it's going to be the thing that wakes people up and makes sadiq makes them realise that sadiq khan makes them realise that sadiq kheso and then who will they

>> so and then who will they vote for? >> yeah, exactly. >> yeah, exactly. >> susan. >> susan. >> somebody else? exactly >> somebody else? yeah, exactly >> somebody else? yeah, exactly >> 99% of people cannot name her. she's not going to win. >> well susan hall, let's get that susan hall. that name out there susan hall. >> know what? >> susan, you know what? >> susan, you know what? >> she's our greatest britain tonight. >> susan hall, out in >> susan hall, shout it out in the it again. anyway, thanks >> say it again. anyway, thanks for joining me tonight with my excellent panel. uh, of emma woolf. uh, and, um, andy mcdonald . mcdonald. >> there you go. there you go. andy burnham. andy burnham. >> it was andy burnham, my andy burnham and sadiq khan brighter outlook sponsors outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> evening. i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news the cold theme continues this weekend. most places staying dry, but there will be a few showers around and those showers will turn to snow in northern scotland sunday. northern scotland on sunday. there's front moving in, there's a cold front moving in, ousting this area of high pressure that's been dominating for much of the week. it's still

bringing most of us a dry night. got skies pushing got some clearer skies pushing south northeast england south into northeast england that some frost that could allow some frost here. frost across here. touch of frost across south wales southwest south wales and southwest england . some damp weather from england. some damp weather from this line of rain. that's that cold front pushing south across scotland tending to fizzle cold front pushing south across scoas�*nd tending to fizzle cold front pushing south across scoas�*nd does ending to fizzle cold front pushing south across scoas�*nd does so. ing to fizzle cold front pushing south across scoas�*nd does so. clearerizzle cold front pushing south across scoas�*nd does so. clearer skies out as it does so. clearer skies will start to follow on behind . will start to follow on behind. on to the details, then for the weekend, and it's a pretty grey start in the south. lots of cloud here. cold de damp cloud here. cold feeling de damp and drizzly at times for northern northwest northern ireland. northwest england and maybe north england and maybe even north wales . seeing a little bit of wales. seeing a little bit of that rain come the that light rain come the afternoon northern afternoon showers into northern scotland. something brighter afternoon showers into northern scosouthern something brighter afternoon showers into northern scosouthern sorcentral brighter for southern and central scotland . some sunny spells here scotland. some sunny spells here and may brighten up in and it may well brighten up in northern later as northern ireland later on as well . where stays cloudy, well. where it stays cloudy, it'll pretty cold in the it'll be pretty cold in the south, 4 or degrees elsewhere. south, 4 or 5 degrees elsewhere. we to 6 or 7, but we might sneak up to 6 or 7, but still on the chilly side for the time . feeling in time of year. feeling colder in the on sunday as the north on sunday as a strengthening wind brings more snow showers into northern scotland . could see few scotland. could see a few centimetres places . centimetres of snow in places. here. there's snow and ice here. there's a snow and ice warning place . a few warning in place. a few scattered showers across

scattered rain showers across england but again england and wales, but again many places here be dry. many places here will be dry. perhaps a bit brighter on sunday, a of seeing sunday, but a chance of seeing some sunny spells but everywhere still feeling chilly . still feeling chilly. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsor of weather on gb news .

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