for the next few hours, me akua for the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion . it's show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating discussing and at times we will disagree. no one will be disagree. but no one will be cancelled. so joining me in the next hour broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy and also former labour party adviser matthew laza . before we get matthew laza. before we get started though, let's get your latest . news. latest. news. >> it's 3:00. good afternoon , >> it's 3:00. good afternoon, aaron armstrong here in the gb newsroom, thousands of protesters are marching through central london in a show of support palestinians. it's support for palestinians. it's part global day of action part of a global day of action involving 30 countries. they're calling a ceasefire in gaza involving 30 countries. they're callidemonstrate.efire in gaza involving 30 countries. they're callidemonstrate have in gaza involving 30 countries. they're callidemonstrate have been za involving 30 countries. they're callidemonstrate have been warned and demonstrate have been warned they'll face arrest for intentionally pushing the limit on placards and slogans as 1700 police are on duty , many of them police are on duty, many of them from forces outside the capital.

for this, the seventh large rally since the conflict in gaza, erupted . the march comes gaza, erupted. the march comes after an additional attack by the united states on houthi rebels in yemen on thursday. britain and the us hit dozens of houthi targets in response to months of attacks on ships in the red sea. the iran backed group, though, has vowed to continue solidarity with the continue in solidarity with the people of gaza and says the strikes will not go unpunished . strikes will not go unpunished. foreign secretary lloyd cameron says britain must do what's necessary to protect its ships. military analyst sean bell has confirmed uk forces weren't involved in this latest attack. >> the us unilaterally did the strike last night . it's either strike last night. it's either that following yesterday, the houthis launched another missile almost as a an act of petulance , almost as a an act of petulance, and it looks either in response to that, the us has struck this radar site or after the strikes on thursday night, battle damage assessment , they will have assessment, they will have looked and said, ah, one of the radar sites is still survived the attack therefore they

the attack and therefore they decided to use uss carney to use another tomahawk missile to actually take it out. it does seem to be a very surgical, measured response , and it is a measured response, and it is a unilateral response. last night, a former postmistress who's to stand against sir ed davey at the next general election says he be brought to justice. he must be brought to justice. >> the lib dem leader was the postal during postal affairs minister during the it scandal, but has the horizon it scandal, but has refused to apologise to the victims or take any accountability for his inaction. hundreds of staff were wrongly prosecuted after faulty software led to shortfalls in their accounts. sir ed says he was lied to by the post office on an industrial scale. sir speaking exclusively to gb news, yvonne tracy, who's running as an mp for kingston and surbiton, says she felt compelled to stand for office. >> i would have loved it if we could have got a subpostmaster who'd been affected by this to stand against ed davey, but i can understand that probably there confidence is not and they probably are fed up to death

with the government , etc. so i with the government, etc. so i thought it's going to be me. i'm reluctantly doing it, but i feel ihave reluctantly doing it, but i feel i have to do something and this is all i can do. i think he should be brought to account . should be brought to account. >> meanwhile, tax experts say the post office could be facing insolvency for failing to pay up to £100 million in tax . they say to £100 million in tax. they say the company claimed £934 million tax relief on compensation paid to branch managers, who were caught up in the horizon scandal tax policy associates and non profit organisations described the practice as outrageous and potentially unlawful. the post office, though, says its financial information is appropriate and accurate. lawyer nigel hugill represented some of the subpostmasters . the subpostmasters. >> i've got an it system that clearly was flawed, but people made decisions on the back of that so those people need to be held to account . i think we've held to account. i think we've seen some people come this seen some people come out this week, high profile week, some high profile individuals has expressed regret individuals has expressed regret in instances apologised, in some instances apologised, you know, gestures around handing back honours . i think

handing back honours. i think the feeling within the people that i speak to is some of this is rather late in the day. it's forced out and the first channel migrants of the year have arrived in dover. >> border force intercept a vessel carrying around 50 people this morning. the first small boat crossing since the 16th of december. that's the longest penod december. that's the longest period without any migrant arrivals for almost four years. bad weather may have prevented more people from making the dangerous journey . and on the dangerous journey. and on the subject of bad weather, i'm afraid to say more snow and subzero temperatures are on the way for some parts of the uk. this weekend. the met office has issued yellow warnings for much of the north of scotland . that's of the north of scotland. that's from midnight until monday evening . temperatures could drop evening. temperatures could drop as low as minus five degrees , as low as minus five degrees, and that will, of course , cause and that will, of course, cause disruption to travel on the roads and on the railways. northern ireland is also set to get some snow on monday . we are get some snow on monday. we are live across the uk , on tv, on

live across the uk, on tv, on digital radio and if you want us on your smart speaker, you just say play gb news. now it's back to . nana to. nana >> thank you very much, aaron. right, so coming up, the pro—palestine march taking place in london today, we'll also cross over live to israel for some updates on the genocide , on some updates on the genocide, on the case of genocide in the international court. then at 320, it's time for climate control as eu scientists claim 2023 was the hottest year on record . so is man made climate record. so is man made climate change really to blame? jim dale and paul burgess will be here to discuss then stay tuned. at 335, an award winning dentist will be joining me and will be discussing whether the uk dentist dentistry is in crisis , dentist dentistry is in crisis, as reports claim waiting lists are soaring and then , uh, my are soaring and then, uh, my political spotlight this week will be neil garrow . he'll be will be neil garrow. he'll be here to shine a light. a conservative mp, member of the london assembly will be asking what life is like for ordinary

londoners sadiq thumb. londoners under sadiq thumb. that's all coming up in the next houn that's all coming up in the next hour. me you on hour. tell me what you think on everything discussing. everything we're discussing. email news. com email gb views at gb news. com or tweet me at . gb news so it's or tweet me at. gb news so it's faster approaching seven minutes after 3:00. as we know, once again thousands are marching in central london today as pro—palestinian groups renew their calls for a ceasefire in gaza. perhaps they could mention that to hamas. the idf have now occupied the entire northern portion of the strip, but the conflict and calls for a ceasefire show no sign of stopping anytime soon. while our reporter lisa hartle is covering today's march and she is there for us. so, lisa, um, it looks a bit quieter now where you are, how things quietened down. have people reached where they wanted to go to ? hello to go to? hello >> well, it seems that as the crowds are making their way

through , the march is making its through, the march is making its way through from the city, from bank. they're going to end up at parliament square . so we're just parliament square. so we're just by waterloo bridge moment by waterloo bridge at the moment . see . and you can just see parliament just over the bridge. that's march will end that's where the march will end up. it seems like, uh, up. um, it seems like, uh, either people are making taking two different routes to get there because they seem to be coming through in sections . so coming through in sections. so further up the road they're coming we just pan right as coming if we just pan right as well, you see groups well, you can see groups coming through from that way and from this um, there's supposed this way. um, there's supposed to be a designated route, it to be a designated route, but it seems they've split into seems like they've split up into two different then two different points, and then they're further down they're gathering further down they're gathering further down the road, which is when they're going to to make their going to continue to make their way square , which way to parliament square, which is the front of is where police say the front of the at about half an hour the march at about half an hour ago , uh, now there's about 1700 ago, uh, now there's about 1700 police that are policing the protest . um, that's police from protest. um, that's police from the met as well as from police from around the uk. and they say this is the biggest protest, uh, action that they've seen in

london this year so far. um now, uh, we have the police did say this morning they put a message out just to say that protesting . out just to say that protesting. all right, they understand that. and they know that the majority of people here today are going to protest peacefully and lawfully . but they had a message lawfully. but they had a message for the minority. they say, for those people that use an event like incite hatred, like this to incite hatred, whether that be through offensive banners or by, uh, showing support for a proscribed organisation such as hamas, that you will be dealt with. and we heard in the last half an hour that police have made two arrests today and they said that that's in relation to offensive banners . um, that's in relation to offensive banners. um, now as, as people are making their way through to parliament square, when they reach there, there's going to be speeches, but everyone has to vacated from between vacated the area from between half four and five. now we can hear from some of the protesters that i spoke to earlier on why it is they're here today and what the message that they really want to get across to the uk government, we showing our

support for the people of palestine and gaza and west bank, um, what's happening is atrocious . atrocious. >> there's too many war crime, international war crimes being committed . so no one's saying committed. so no one's saying anything at. >> and we're just here to show our support and show the people that show the governments that the don't actually for the people don't actually for stand what they're supporting. >> as bad as >> both. they're both as bad as eachu're killing in the end. >> you're killing in the end. you're killing other. >> you're killing in the end. you' it's killing other. >> you're killing in the end. you' it's in killing other. >> you're killing in the end. you' it's in theing other. >> you're killing in the end. you' it's in the in| other. >> you're killing in the end. you' it's in the in the other. >> you're killing in the end. you' it's in the in the holy|er. and it's in the in the holy quran to kill one person. you've killed mankind . so killed the whole mankind. so that's how faith is . don't that's how my faith is. don't kill anyone. >> this is at least we can do to support the people you know in palestine , in gaza, especially palestine, in gaza, especially all these kids dying, you palestine, in gaza, especially all these kids dying , you know, all these kids dying, you know, no food, no water, no electricity. you know, so bare minimum we can do is at least show our support for them. i don't know if you can see behind me some ready pink smoke that's from a flare and green as. >> we are being set off sporadically throughout the

march and when we're talking about numbers of how many people are here today, it's really difficult to give a figure. we've spoken to police. they say they're not committing to any numbers until perhaps later afterwards , when they can really afterwards, when they can really gauge how many were here. gauge how many people were here. the organisers this morning said that was that they think there was they're around 200,000 they're expecting around 200,000 people . people to attend. >> hmm. wow. well, thank you very much, lisa. interesting stuff there. thank you so much . stuff there. thank you so much. that's she's there that's lisa hartman. she's there at the pro—palestine or at the pro—palestine protest or march , uh, that is going through march, uh, that is going through central we speak. and central london as we speak. and of court case of course, the court case against the against israel at the international criminal court continues after the south african um, um , south africa african um, um, south africa committed the case, alleging that israel was committing genocide in gaza . israel has genocide in gaza. israel has accused south africa of a profound distortion in response, but a result is not expected for at least a few weeks. so joining me live in tel aviv is mystifier uri geller . me live in tel aviv is mystifier uri geller. uri, thank you so

much for joining uri geller. uri, thank you so much forjoining me. it's really good to see you. um talk to me about your your view on what's going on with the south africans and their. well, okay. >> nana, first of all, as we speak right now , you're speaking speak right now, you're speaking to me . to me. >> look, rockets are flying into israel . um, >> look, rockets are flying into israel. um, never. uh hasbara . israel. um, never. uh hasbara. >> kerem is sderot, which is not far from tel aviv . far from tel aviv. >> um , ashkelon, which is not >> um, ashkelon, which is not far from right now. >> rockets are coming into israel. >> okay , nana, first of all, >> okay, nana, first of all, allow me . i want to pay tribute allow me. i want to pay tribute to your country. the uk . britain to your country. the uk. britain is still one of the only countries in the world that is prepared to stand up for freedom against tyranny. >> the uk bravely part with america in using force against the houthis . now i say thank god

the houthis. now i say thank god for great britain. thank god for the great british armed forces. ihope the great british armed forces. i hope that the houthis get the message, because if they mess up with great britain , they will with great britain, they will get the shock of their lives and nana, i want to tell you this, i was also delighted that your pm, your prime minister rishi sunak, stood up for israel at the international court of justice, which you just mentioned , where which you just mentioned, where south africa has accused israel of genocide . i mean, like the of genocide. i mean, like the israeli lawyer yesterday, i don't know if you follow it. the israeli lawyer told the court yesterday, the only side with genuinely wants to commit genocide is hamas. genuinely wants to commit genocide is hamas . hamas openly genocide is hamas. hamas openly says it wants to murder all jewish people. and if you don't believe me , you can read it for believe me, you can read it for yourself in hamas's founding charter from 1988, you can google it and you can find find

it out yourself. one more thing, nana. please let me tell you something you probably do not know . yesterday the government know. yesterday the government of germany said it had enough of this pantomime . it issued a this pantomime. it issued a statement saying do not forget the history of the holocaust. it said this accusation against israel has no basis whatsoever . israel has no basis whatsoever. and it said it's going to go to the court and speak up in israel's defence. >> see, this thing is i just don't get it. i don't want to see anyone die. but i don't understand why people don't seem to be saying anything about the fact that hamas continue to bombard israel with rockets. now, i would say, in my view, from what happened on the seventh, that the retaliation is self—defence, but also i would say that hamas still have the hostages and they have not released them. give back the hostages and stop firing the missiles . and i'm presuming

missiles. and i'm presuming israel would stop, right? this would stop . is that. yeah, would stop. is that. yeah, absolutely . absolutely. >> no. look, nana, i want to show you something interesting. i'm in my museum. show you something interesting. i'm in my museum . you know, we i'm in my museum. you know, we are peace loving people. these are peace loving people. these are handguns that i designed and in arabic, it's written peace in hebrew . shalom. and in english, hebrew. shalom. and in english, peace bent barrels. so no bullets can be fired. look, there is a knot in this machine gun . so i just want to tell you gun. so i just want to tell you that that and this is something very, very important . look, this very, very important. look, this is so deadly important . if the is so deadly important. if the world if this charge in the hague, if it's upheld , do you hague, if it's upheld, do you realise nana, that no army anywhere will be able to fight a war of self defence, including britain ? it will mean that if britain? it will mean that if you accidentally harm civil liens, you might find yourself charged with genocide . now,

charged with genocide. now, finally, just so underline how absurd this case is. let me tell you which countries the judges come from. they come from russia. they come from china. they come from morocco, they come from somali nia. they come from lebanon and uganda. russia russia, which has invaded ukraine, china to which keeps more than a million people in concentration camps. somalia which has one of the worst human rights records in the world. honestly you couldn't make this stuff up . this totally. this stuff up. this totally. this it's a pantomime. it has to stop. and the case has to be thrown out of court. that is totally my feeling. and i, i, i, isend totally my feeling. and i, i, i, i send my energy that the judges will throw it out of court. well listen, i've got about 30s that was so succinctly put. >> what would you say to people who look at this and say, yeah, fair enough. but according to

statistics or hamas figures , statistics or hamas figures, over 20,000 people have died dunng over 20,000 people have died during this. and these are people in gaza . people in gaza. >> how how can i answer that? if hamas puts children in front of them and they are with weapons behind women and children ? i behind women and children? i mean, the schools are full with weapons. hospitals are full with hamas weapons and believable. so sadly , as i said before, this is sadly, as i said before, this is war. and sadly and tragically, also civilians get killed in war. and let's not even talk about how many civilians died in germany when britain bombarded carpet, bombarded germany. so that's my answer. listen, nana thank you so much for having me on every week. i love you all and i hug the british people and i kiss you and i send you positive energy from the holy land. >> oh, it's so lovely to talk to you.thank >> oh, it's so lovely to talk to you. thank you so much for joining me. that's a brilliant uri geller. he's there, live in tel at his museum. tel aviv. he's at his museum. he's what's he's talking about what's happening

he's talking about what's happerthey're they're on the israel. they're they're on the streets, on the ground . uh, but streets, on the ground. uh, but of the war rages on. but of course, the war rages on. but let's have a quick at what let's have a quick look at what you've about it. uh, you've been saying about it. uh, philip it the philip says, why is it the pro—palestinian protests are allowed to wave any flag they want chants want and make anti—jewish chants 7 want and make anti—jewish chants ? yet anyone waving a union jack is looked the police is looked on by the met police as inciting violence. jim says, i'm very concerned by the number of people in the uk who seem to sympathise with hamas, a proscribed terror group, and elizabeth i'm very elizabeth says i'm very sceptical of the death toll in gaza. the figures come from hamas and cannot be properly verified . wilson, keep your verified. wilson, keep your thoughts coming. thank you so much i'd love to much for your views. i'd love to hear you know those much for your views. i'd love to hear are you know those much for your views. i'd love to hearare in you know those much for your views. i'd love to hearare in support know those much for your views. i'd love to hear are in support of ow those much for your views. i'd love to hear are in support of the those who are in support of the pro—palestine protests well, pro—palestine protests as well, please. get in touch please. equally get in touch because we want to a because we want to show a balanced view situation. balanced view of this situation. but if you're just tuned in, welcome. it's 18 minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua . this is gb 3:00. i'm nana akua. this is gb news tv , online and on news on tv, online and on digital coming up after digital radio coming up after reports long waiting reports insanely long waiting lists in the nhs dentistry are facing will be speaking to an nhs gp and dentistry with regard

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scientist have said that 2023 was the hottest year on record for the world. the met office also reported last week that the uk experienced its second warmest year on record in 2023, so how is the world heating up and is man made climate change to blame ? well, joining me to to blame? well, joining me to discuss jim dale , meteorologist discuss jim dale, meteorologist and also social commentator paul burgess . right. well, i'm going burgess. right. well, i'm going to start with you, paul burgess . to start with you, paul burgess. no, no, i'll go with jim actually, because he's in the studio. then. studio. go on then. >> afternoon. studio. go on then. >> good afternoon. studio. go on then. >> good afternoon arnoon. studio. go on then. >> good afternoon jim.)n. >> good afternoon jim. >> good afternoon jim. >> um yeah . >> um yeah. >> um yeah. >> you opened with, uh, >> you just opened up with, uh, what for 20, what we've been waiting for 20, 23. just from , uh, the 23. not just from, uh, the reported one that you reported. >> i forgot was, noah >> i forgot who it was, but noah berkeley . berkeley earth. >> uh hadcrut. >> uh hadcrut. >> six international data >> uh six international data sets have come through in the last 48 hours, showing , uh, 2023 last 48 hours, showing, uh, 2023 was indeed exactly what we expected it to be. the hottest year on record going back to 1850. in some of these data, data sets so many years.

>> is that jim? it's quite lot. >> 1850 as far as we've been measuring it in the modern style, something years. yeah, nearly 200, nearly, almost 200. >> yeah. getting up for 200 years. >> how old is the planet? >> how old is the planet? >> uh uh, it's about 5 billion years. which, which you don't need to go back that far. no, no , let me let me just say what's important is what's happened in the last ten years, particularly i >> -- >> and this last two years. and what's going to happen next year? next year, simply because we're living . here now. we don't we're living. here now. we don't need to go back to prehistoric times. >> we're seeing this, and it isn't just land temperatures. >> way . >> by the way. >> by the way. >> it's also ocean temperatures at record levels in in virtually all oceans of the world going last year. >> this is now indisputable. >> this is now indisputable. >> okay, so those that are denying man made climate change and i put that word manmade in there for good reason are there for a good reason are wrong. absolutely wrong. >> all right. uh, and let me bnng >> all right. uh, and let me bring paul in. >> paul , he's bring paul in. >> paul, he's made quite a few claims there.

>> okay. well, the first thing is, um , since 1979, when the is, um, since 1979, when the satellite record started, i do accept that 2023 was the warmest year. accept that 2023 was the warmest year . it's accept that 2023 was the warmest year. it's one year, but the last 6 or 7 years have been pretty well level as regards temperatures . you can't take one temperatures. you can't take one yearin temperatures. you can't take one year in climate yet again. you have to look for the pattern. now, if you look the pattern now, if you look for the pattern , very levels. , you'll see it very levels. since 2016. and by the way , by since 2016. and by the way, by the way, um, this year we've had, um, the north atlantic decadal oscillation , which is decadal oscillation, which is very warm and this comes on a 65 year cycle. so around about half of that is warm and half of that is cold. we are now coming out of that warm, uh , ocean ocean of that warm, uh, ocean ocean temperature in the north atlantic. so it hovers between warm and cold every, say, 35 years. we're now entering the cold. in addition to that , the cold. in addition to that, the el nino, which has been very warm this year, is still very strong and probably would last till february . march, we don't till february. march, we don't

know. right in addition to that, we had a huge a huge amount of water vapour put into the atmosphere and from the volcano right . but at the moment, at the right. but at the moment, at the moment china's recording its it's record low temperatures. russia is recording its record low temperatures . to give you a low temperatures. to give you a some aspect as well. australia has announced 2023. the met office sir, as the eighth warmest on record . so this is warmest on record. so this is alarmism because they take a short thing now , if you've got short thing now, if you've got nonh short thing now, if you've got north atlantic oscillations lasting 65 years going up and down, that's the whole cycle. you can't just take part of it right . and by the way, to warm right. and by the way, to warm the ocean takes a long, long time. as i've said before, the ocean is a thousand times more heat than the atmosphere. but it doesn't warm like instantly. it takes time for the sun's radiation to warm it over. all right. and yet . right. and yet. >> yeah, let's give jim a chance to respond to that. >> you're making it up as you go along. really >> because if you look at any

graphs, if you look those graphs, if you look at those graphs, if you look at those gra|on, on, on websites , if you on, on, on, on websites, if you go into noaa or berkeley earth or whatever, there's the one. >> isn't what you just >> and that isn't what you just described as being , you know, a described as being, you know, a level for the last ten years or so. 50. >> so. >> have a look at the face of the eiger there nearly on the right hand side. >> okay. that's what scientists, climatologists are worried about. >> proper climatologist paul. >> proper climatologist paul. >> okay. those who actually get paid for the job this is what they do. >> their scientists hold on, hold on. just because you get paid jobs doesn't mean paid for jobs doesn't mean you're one. i you're not a proper one. but i think i mean, bit. think i mean, that's a bit. well, no , no, no, it kind of well, no, no, no, it kind of suggests so doesn't it. that's that's not to say that nasa, noaa, berkeley earth, these are, these are these are scientists, climatologists around the world that that look at these data sets. >> they do it meticulously . uh, >> they do it meticulously. uh, they're not making it up as they go along. these these you know, now we're reaching a stage where the climate deniers have basically we can. >> can i ask, jim, where are

these temperature readings taken? are taken from the taken? are they taken from the exact place every time ? um, exact same place every time? um, or are they taken on runways or where are those temperature readings? >> there's roughly about 8000, if not slightly more, weather stations in and around the world. >> yeah, the for the well, you can say that for, for many of them for , for example aberporth them for, for example aberporth for example , or aviemore in this for example, or aviemore in this country not um aircraft airports or anything, but even those, they're meticulously done. so there is no effect from , uh, there is no effect from, uh, from the aeroplanes that take off. zero effect made absolutely clear . clear. >> so how do they know that, though? i mean, you're saying this is this is my. >> been doing this for 40 >> i've been doing this for 40 years. did this years. i actually did this job. >> amount time, >> the amount of time, the amount of years you've been doing is not really. doing it is not really. >> well. it is. it's called experience . experience. >> no, this is >> this is about. no, this is about. is personal. about. no, this is not personal. >> interrupt? is about. >> sorry. it's where where >> sorry. it's about where where these are these measurements are being taken. paul . taken. uh, paul. >> right. the graph that's just been shown is not measured temperatures. i dealt with that

last week. what it's called homogeny temperatures based on models . so it is not measured. models. so it is not measured. temperatures and what they've doneis temperatures and what they've done is deduct an enormous amount of temperature from the past and add them to the current. that's what they've done to get those. that's why i only satellite only accept satellite temperatures and why i've agreed since satellite started. 2023 is the warmest year since 1979, but it was warmer in the 1930s than it was warmer in the 1930s than it is today , and we had it is today, and we had a medieval warm period , etc. that medieval warm period, etc. that was much warmer. so to show me a graph that's based on models and let the public think it's based on real data that's measured , on real data that's measured, no, no, let me finish. let me finish. i'm not attacking. i'm not attacking you personally, which you continually do . i give which you continually do. i give you the facts every time . and you the facts every time. and this time i've decided it's fiction because i've dealt with fiction. >> it's simple as that. >> it's simple as that. >> yeah. look, look , we can ban >> yeah. look, look, we can ban this around day after day, week after week. >> the fact remains that noaa and nasa, the met office , is and nasa, the met office, is east anglia university. they all use the same data, separate

data. they do it meticulously . data. they do it meticulously. you make it up as you go along. your balloon has been popped . so your balloon has been popped. so as reform uk's balloon didn't put any evidence in this that it's manmade, that's his evidence. >> so you're having you can't sorry. >> let paul carry on. so no, no jim carry on. >> i've just given evidence of the natural cycles. the el nino and the north atlantic oscillation. do you accept that nonh oscillation. do you accept that north atlantic oscillation warms the water and cools the water on a 65 year basis? do you accept that ? that? >> no, i don't, to be frank with you, but i would accept the el nino side of things. that's part part of the equation. >> don't . >> no, you don't. >> no, you don't. >> sorry. >> sorry. >> no, i don't let paul carry on. so he says he doesn't. paul. he's that out to he's trying to make that out to be where we are at be the reason where we are at this moment time. be the reason where we are at thishe'snent time. be the reason where we are at thishe's talking, ime. be the reason where we are at thishe's talking, cherry picking. >> he's talking, cherry picking. i'm say i'm doing this. you always say this. attack this. you always try to attack me , and you always do me personally, and you always do that. something. that. let me tell you something. there mercer . he there was a doctor mercer. he won prize for physics won the nobel prize for physics in 2022. when he won that , he in 2022. when he won that, he was invited to talks was invited to give talks everywhere on on what invited him to talk about was climate models. they thought they had a

great physicist . and he is a great physicist. and he is a great physicist. and he is a great physicist. and he is a great physicist. yes and they said, let's give half talk great physicist. yes and they saiclimategive half talk great physicist. yes and they saiclimate models.|lf talk on climate models. unfortunately, first unfortunately, he gave his first talk career and he stood up talk in career and he stood up and said, the climate models are rubbish. pseudoscience. rubbish. this is pseudoscience. the movement is the whole movement is pseudoscience . and he's joined pseudoscience. and he's joined the. can i ask jim jim the graph. he's he's been de—platformed by your hang on, hang on. >> yeah. the graph that you gave us that we put on screen is that an actual or is it modelling. >> that's an actual >> that's, that's an actual they are actual like i bet you actually global average global pounds. >> now that's not true . i'll bet >> now that's not true. i'll bet you 100. >> so he so he's basically knocking the likes of noah berkeley earth met off his. >> you sit in a dark room paul making it up as you go along. >> excuse me. you don't know what colour the room is. well, don't go like for me. don't don't go like that for me. >> willing bet £100 now, >> i'm willing to bet £100 now, so . paul, if you so hang on, paul. paul, if you both speak , no one will hear both speak, no one will hear either of you. >> so you're not doing either of yourselves a disservice. so one word from you, jim. you've got

about paul, about 30s. then to you, paul, jim. look, these stats go >> okay. so look, these stats go along incidents in 2023 along with the incidents in 2023 and before then in terms of record records and catastrophes that are going on left, right and centre , this proves the and centre, this proves the point. paul's balloon and the climate deniers balloon has been popped. well that's just you're just speaking in sort of and in answer to the graph he gave an answer to the graph he gave an answer to the graph he gave an answer to my few seconds. >> i've got left. i am willing to £100 now online. that to bet him £100 now online. that that graph been is based on that graph has been is based on models called homogenisation, not actual readings. so do you accept the bet? >> do you accept ? >> do you accept? >> do you accept? >> yeah, i accept the bet because it's because it's ridiculous. paul simple as that. you're doing down noah. you're doing down nasa, the met office , doing down nasa, the met office, all of them. no, you're all of them. no, no, you're better than them. >> no, jim, he's talking >> no, no, jim, he's talking about graph about specifically the graph that you. >> yeah, that's absolutely fine by are. by me. i know what they are. >> i know you said you said you are saying that is not are saying that that is not based is my job. based on that is my job. >> paul's job. >> it's not paul's job. >> it's not paul's job. >> it's not paul's job. >> i didn't ask you what your job is . no.

job is. no. >> you're doing it >> you see, you're doing it again know sight more again. i know a damn sight more than do . i've climbed than you do. i've climbed a model. haven't done. model. you haven't even done. yeah, you're. >> listen, a water >> listen, you're a water resource hold on, hold on. >> hold on, hold on, hold on. hang on. sorry. go listen. sorry. you do that , the pair sorry. if you do that, the pair of you won't be coming back. either of you. so be very either of you. so let me be very clear. not speak over either of you. so let me be very clear other. not speak over either of you. so let me be very clearother. nomoreak over each other. and more importantly, not speak importantly, you do not speak over thank you very much . over me. thank you very much. paul climate paul burgess, a climate scientist and also meteorologist. to good meteorologist. jim dale, to good talk to you. right. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital on way, we'll digital radio. on the way, we'll be the light on a very be shining the light on a very important discussion as we look over at what's going on in sadiq khan's london. an i'll also be sitting down with organiser sitting down with the organiser of pro—palestinian of tomorrow's pro—palestinian protest and talking about his time idf commanding time with the idf commanding operations gaza . but first, operations in gaza. but first, let's get your latest news headunes let's get your latest news headlines armstrong . headlines with aaron armstrong. >> it's 332. i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom. the palestinian ambassador to the uk has accused the government of complicity with israel. husam zomlot was

addressing a pro—palestinian rally in central london, where he also congratulated south africa for bringing a genocide case against israel to the international court of justice . international court of justice. the march through the capital is part of a global day of action involving 30 countries. their calling for a ceasefire in gaza . calling for a ceasefire in gaza. a police have arrested two people for carrying offensive placards . yemen's houthi rebels placards. yemen's houthi rebels have promised a strong and effective response to a fresh strike on its infrastructure by the united states, the us says it was a follow up to a series of attacks on houthi positions carried in conjunction with carried out in conjunction with the , after months of the uk forces, after months of attacks on ships in the red sea . attacks on ships in the red sea. a former postmistress who should stand against her ed davey at the next general election says he must be brought justice. he must be brought to justice. the dem leader was the the lib dem leader was the postal minister during postal affairs minister during the horizon it scandal . postal affairs minister during the horizon it scandal. he's refused to apologise to the victims or take accountability for his inaction , claiming that for his inaction, claiming that he was lied to on an industrial

scale by the post office . scale by the post office. hundreds of staff were wrongly prosecuted after a faulty software to led shortfalls in their accounts . speaking their accounts. speaking exclusively to gb news, yvonne tracy, who's running as an mp for kingston and surbiton, says she felt compelled to run . she felt compelled to run. >> i would have loved it if we could have got a subpostmaster who'd been affected by this to stand against ed davey , but i stand against ed davey, but i can understand that probably there confidence is not and they probably are fed up to death with the government, etc. so i thought it's going to be me . with the government, etc. so i thought it's going to be me. i'm reluctantly doing it. but i feel ihave reluctantly doing it. but i feel i have to do something and this is all i can do. i think he should be brought to account . should be brought to account. >> and the first channel migrants of the year have arrived in dover. the border force intercepted vessel force intercepted a vessel carrying around people carrying around 50 people earlier. it's the first small boat crossing since the 16th of december. that's the longest penod december. that's the longest period without migrant arrivals for almost four years. it's thought bad weather deterred more people from making the dangerous journey . and that's it

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nana akua and it's time now for a bit of health and my health watch because a damning report into dental services by the into nhs dental services by the health and social care committee has called for urgent and fundamental reform , citing fundamental reform, citing a yougov poll showing almost a quarter of the uk population are not registered with a dentist now. this comes as some parts of greater manchester, a reporting waiting lists of over 4000 for an nhs dentist, as many warn the system cannot cope . so i'm system cannot cope. so i'm joined now by doctor renal al phulkari of . i think if i said phulkari of. i think if i said that right it's doctor rana al falaki al falaki. >> yes, al falaki lovely. >> yes, al falaki lovely. >> now you're a multi—award winning periodontal dentist, dental specialist. wow that's that sounds like a wonderful title . but what does it mean? title. but what does it mean? and what's happening to uk dentistry ? dentistry? >> so my particular discipline of dentistry is related to gum disease, which is actually considered to be an indicator for early death. >> so that's actually how

important dentists are nowadays . important dentists are nowadays. uh, working very much on in my case, the, the gums and the structures that are around teeth . um, and actually it saddens me so much because i used to be even an nhs consultant as a specialist and quit because i felt that i wasn't really able to help anybody. so the state of nhs dentistry is , uh, nhs dentistry is, uh, definitely, definitely at its, uh, at its , uh, its limits is uh, at its, uh, its limits is the easiest way to say that. so with this gum disease, that's a good sort of precursor to tell you whether you're going to die early or die sooner, or whether you've disease, what you've got heart disease, what is you're actually is it that you're actually looking gums ? looking for in the gums? >> is it constant bleeding when you're cleaning your teeth? what kind you're cleaning your teeth? what kin�*yeah, i mean, funnily enough, >> yeah, i mean, funnily enough, actually, are most actually, those who are most susceptible get those susceptible don't get those symptoms. not they don't symptoms. so not they don't necessarily have that issue. but the commonest things are bleeding is uh, it may be bleeding gums is uh, it may be bad breath . it may get to the bad breath. it may get to the point of loose teeth . it may be

point of loose teeth. it may be that their gums have receded. they getting food stuck they start getting food stuck between have between their teeth. they have what triangles . what we call black triangles. and interestingly, the weirdest thing is when there was a tv advert or an ad on the tube we used to see a lot of the time saying, your eyes were saying, if your eyes were bleeding not do bleeding, would you not do something about it ? and when something about it? and yet when people , it's almost people gums bleed, it's almost become norm that everybody become this norm that everybody accepts that that is normal . and accepts that that is normal. and in fact, it's not in the slightest bit healthy. >> crikey . so with this whole >> crikey. so with this whole situation , the nhs situation, situation, the nhs situation, what is it that is causing it? is it too many people going to the dentist? is it just bad management? what is it? the root of it ? of it? >> yeah, it's certainly not too many people going to the dentist. anything, we dentist. if anything, we probably have people who probably have fewer people who go dentist nowadays, go to the dentist nowadays, which sad fact . it which is a sad, sad fact. it goes back a long way and is very much a combination of political and behavioural contracts change the way that dentists were paid back from 2006. so i remember when i first started out, my career as an nhs dentist, i was

treating patients and anything that i did on a patient, i was paid for , and children. we used paid for, and children. we used to have what we called a capitation system. this is really quite relevant to the news that we heard this week as well, where, um, so you would get paid to to, have a child on your books and be able to look after them, which also allowed you to provide more preventative care and be paid for it anyway , care and be paid for it anyway, the contracts changed, and if anything, unfortunately, what we've seen with nhs dentistry in practice is it's gradually reduced itself to becoming more and more of a core service. so it gets to the point where actually the cost of providing the service right down from the instruments and materials that you need to use on a patient, such times the fee that the dentist is then paid and the fee that the patient has to pay doesn't even cover the cost of the materials . so what we've got the materials. so what we've got is this complete imbalance of, uh, expected standards of care

materials to use and standards of care that dentists want to be able to provide versus the converse in that they're not being provided with enough money to be able to do that. and that is impacting massively. it's impacting massively on the dentists who want to remain in the nhs. it's impacting fully on dentists own health, which is where the other part of the work that i where the other part of the work thati do where the other part of the work that i do is actually supporting dentists with the incredible high levels of stress that they have and trying to least have and trying to see at least 30 patients a day with a huge , 30 patients a day with a huge, massive demand on them, not just in cost, but what's expected of them in terms of the service that they want to provide. the communication they want to convey to patients , obtaining convey to patients, obtaining the right amount of consent, giving patients all of the possible options ins, um, being able to um, uh , to do what they able to um, uh, to do what they feel is really good quality care. but you can't get hold of

one write up those notes. this is exactly . is exactly. >> yeah, but you can't get hold of one, though. that's the problem. can't get hold of of one, though. that's the probithey can't get hold of of one, though. that's the probithey are can't get hold of of one, though. that's the probithey are nott get hold of of one, though. that's the probithey are not available. of one. they are not available. you can't get through. they're not got they haven't got any time or any room on their books. um precisely. so what has happened ? precisely. so what has happened? we're running out of time. so one piece of advice to people to help them look after their teeth better apart from go to the dentist because you can't get hold of one. you so. >> so yeah. you can't get hold of one because we've got more people leaving the profession due to those high levels of stress. advice stress. so one piece of advice is , is brush your teeth. if is, is brush your teeth. if effectively twice a day have a low sugar diet and watch out for those warning signs such as bleeding gums. those warning signs such as bleeding gums . and if you're in bleeding gums. and if you're in pain, don't ignore it. >> all right. thank you very much, doctor rana al falaki , much, doctor rana al falaki, thank you so much. david starkey. she's an award winning periodontal specialist . periodontal dental specialist. right. though if you've just tuned coming up to 45 tuned in, coming up to 45 minutes 3:00, i'm nana minutes after 3:00, i'm nana akua. minutes after 3:00, i'm nana akua . this is gb news. don't akua. this is gb news. don't forget as well. you can download

and catch up, download gb and catch up, download the gb news app. you can catch up on all the programmes also all the programmes and also stream on youtube. but stream us live on youtube. but it's stream us live on youtube. but wsfime stream us live on youtube. but it's time now for this week's political spotlight. so joining it's time now for this week's polito al spotlight. so joining it's time now for this week's polito shinetlight. so joining it's time now for this week's polito shine a ght. so joining it's time now for this week's polito shine a lightso joining it's time now for this week's polito shine a light isjoining it's time now for this week's polito shine a light is neil1g me to shine a light is neil garrett, a conservative london assembly member. as we discussed what life is like under sadiq khan's london and everything else around it. so uh, neil, thank you very much for joining me. afternoon. >> it's a pleasure to be here. >> it's a pleasure to be here. >> great, okay. so let's >> great, great. okay. so let's let's because let's start with because we've we've , not we've had strikes galore, not not just london all over the not just in london all over the country on all sorts of things, on transport and the doctors and nurses and so on and so forth. but in particular, the but in particular, we had the tube strike and there was going to be long strike after that. to be a long strike after that. but that was kind of put off. what happened there? >> well , of if what happened there? >> well, of if you're >> well, of course, if you're used sadiq merrill news, used to sadiq khan merrill news, the only story he ever tells is that any money. that he hasn't got any money. well interestingly, week, well interestingly, this week, as supposed well interestingly, this week, as a supposed well interestingly, this week, as a week supposed well interestingly, this week, as a week long supposed well interestingly, this week, as a week long strikepposed well interestingly, this week, as a week long strike allsed well interestingly, this week, as a week long strike all ofi to be a week long strike all of this week and it suddenly was cancelled last cancelled at the very last minute. on night. minute. 5:00 on sunday night. uh, last weekend, it was suddenly announced , and what

suddenly announced, and what gradually came to light was that the mayor had suddenly found £30 million from somewhere. >> no one quite knows to where pay >> no one quite knows to where pay off the rmt, which immediately then, of course, provoked , um, a great provoked, um, a great unhappiness from the other unions, because what had happened , all of the had happened, all of the unions had agreed, from rmt had agreed, apart from rmt had agreed, apart from rmt had agreed to accept and they'd agreed to accept 5, and they'd put strike the strike threat to bed . bed. >> rmt said wasn't enough, >> rmt said 5% wasn't enough, and this week's strike was about was going about the rmt was going to be about the rmt wanting than 5. as i say on wanting more than 5. as i say on the on of that the on the eve of that happening, suddenly an extra £30 million was was found . now, by million was was found. now, by coincidence, sadiq was in front of my budget committee, which i chair on tuesday morning . by chair on tuesday morning. by tuesday morning, two important things had changed. it's the first thing was, um, was that the other unions, like aslef in particular, which is the tube drivers union, um, they of course have done the obvious thing , which was to say, well, thing, which was to say, well, they no longer accept 5. if they no longer accept the 5. if rmt more than 5, rmt is getting more than 5, their members want more than 5, so they immediately announced they were going to ballot for strike be then

strike so they would be then more happening more strikes happening and then the was mayor the second thing was the mayor backed million, backed off this £30 million, said he. that was not the right figure. you shouldn't believe said he. that was not the right figureyou u shouldn't believe said he. that was not the right figureyou u shcindn't believe said he. that was not the right figureyou u shcindn't pressle what you read in the press was the it. even though the way he put it. even though his office briefed his own office had briefed the press number. press that that was the number. and because, he's and this is because, as he's obviously now going have obviously now going to have to throw rail throw cash at every other rail union to stop them striking as well as election year, of well as an election year, of course, so he can't afford strikes, but he can suddenly afford money. afford quite a lot of money. >> interesting >> well, it's interesting because contact because we did contact sadiq khan's office to comment on this particular issue. the £30 million and yeah , we did contact million and yeah, we did contact them, but we got no result from that. so interesting . we asked, that. so interesting. we asked, we get a reply , but i we didn't get a reply, but i want to talk to you about what's happened recently because there have been a couple of bus fires in london. there have been some electric fires and people electric bus fires and people are getting worried about the situation with evs in general and the idea that our fleets, whether they're in london or all over the country, will then become electric. electric vehicles. >> so it's an interesting thing. this isn't it? because actually, ispoke this isn't it? because actually, i spoke to the fire commissioner, the fire commissioner, london, the fire

bngade , commissioner, london, the fire brigade , a few brigade commissioner, a few months ago about this. he's very worried, i mean, at worried, not just i mean, at that time, about buses, that time, less so about buses, more about more so they're worried about the you know, the small vehicles, you know, e—scooters and things are e—scooters and things which are banned tube network. um, banned on the tube network. um, you know, we used to the idea banned on the tube network. um, you we w, we used to the idea banned on the tube network. um, you we have used to the idea banned on the tube network. um, you we have allad to the idea banned on the tube network. um, you we have all these :he idea banned on the tube network. um, you we have all these vehicles that we have all these vehicles powered by petrol, which is quite dangerous liquid. we've switched quite dangerous liquid. we've switche(that be safer and assume that would be safer and actually fire seems to actually the fire risk seems to be real. the fire brigade be very real. the fire brigade are particularly about are particularly concerned about it in people's houses where they're batteries they're charging these batteries in, know, stairwells. but in, you know, on stairwells. but the buses are obviously a much bigger problem because the batteries are so much bigger. the so the power in them is so much more this week seen more so. this week we've seen two fires suddenly in two fires suddenly one in wimbledon . two fires suddenly one in wimbledon. um, and two fires suddenly one in wimbledon . um, and just as wimbledon. um, and then just as they that all of they were announcing that all of those buses had were going to be withdrawn, model withdrawn, that particular model with that particular bus company , there was then a hybrid bus parked diesel part electric that caught fire as well. it wasn't on service. so no one's been injured in these fires. but obviously it's a concern. and actually, a bit forgotten actually, maybe a bit forgotten about. year , last may, about. but last year, last may, there a huge fire up in there was a huge fire up in potters bus depot, potters bar at the bus depot, which is, um, a london buses bus depot up in potters bar. huge fire of vehicles . if

fire of electric vehicles. if you look at the footage of that , you look at the footage of that, it was a sort raging inferno it was a sort of raging inferno and all these buses were just left, of um, almost left, a sort of, um, almost like a drawing of a black a cartoon drawing of a black skeletal sooty outline skeletal sort of sooty outline of just the remains of the shell of just the remains of the shell of a bus. it was it was quite a concern. and so quite what's going to happen as a result of all that? in terms of all of that? um, in terms of charging safely, driving charging them safely, driving them on the road? uh, you them safely on the road? uh, you might remember years ago, of course, bendy buses. might remember years ago, of courskept bendy buses. might remember years ago, of courskept catching bendy buses. might remember years ago, of cours kept catching firedy buses. they kept catching fire. eventually withdrawn they kept catching fire. event service. withdrawn they kept catching fire. event service. it's withdrawn they kept catching fire. event service. it's tfl'sirawn from service. but it's tfl's fundamental commitment, the mayor's commitment to switch all fundamental commitment, the m'our's commitment to switch all fundamental commitment, the mom busesmitment to switch all fundamental commitment, the mom buses to tment to switch all fundamental commitment, the mom buses to electric. switch all fundamental commitment, the mom buses to electric. so itch all of our buses to electric. so i don't think they can afford just to take them off the road. they're to figure they're going to have to figure out stop out what's going on and stop them fire. them catching fire. >> fire chief >> now, what did the fire chief say about those buses, though, and brigade and what are the fire brigade generally electric generally saying about electric vehicles? know lot vehicles? because i know a lot of about of people are worried about them. um, the fact that they them. um, the fact that if they do as do catch on fire, as i understand , you can't understand it, you can't actually put the fire out. so you have to wait the you have to wait till the battery burns itself out. >> yeah. um >> very difficult. yeah. um i mean, that was essentially his point particularly mean, that was essentially his point haveiarticularly mean, that was essentially his point have irticularly mean, that was essentially his point have i mean, �*ly where you have i mean, multi—storey car park fires have always dangerous .

always been quite dangerous. there's actually few years there's actually one a few years ago liverpool , which very there's actually one a few years ago went erpool , which very there's actually one a few years ago went from l , which very there's actually one a few years ago went from a which very there's actually one a few years ago went from a fireich very there's actually one a few years ago went from a fire thatery quickly went from a fire that the brigade were the fire brigade on site were fighting. the fighting. you know, in the building they just within seconds just make seconds had to just make a decision to get out and leave it to burn. and then the fire operation becomes one of stopping it spreading rather than really putting it out quite what, what how deal with what, what how you deal with these very aggressive, very hot electric car fires. i don't think there's a very good answer yet, actually. again , yet, actually. and again, increasingly more and more cars are electric because are becoming electric because they're pushing us that direction. >> they're trying to remove petrol . but know, petrol and diesel. but you know, a of people are now a lot of people are now concerned. i'm concerned i will not buy an ev simply for that reason, also because if reason, but also because if anything happens, just even just for , let's say the car anything happens, just even just fo submerged let's say the car anything happens, just even just fo submerged or:'s say the car anything happens, just even just fo submerged or whatever car anything happens, just even just fo submerged or whatever ,:ar anything happens, just even just fo submerged or whatever , my is submerged or whatever, my small little car that i can just roll windows down get roll the windows down and get the once it's all one power source. so just all electric . source. so just all electric. then when that source is done, then you're finished. do you then you're finished. how do you you trapped inside it. you could be trapped inside it. you'll never get out. i suppose that's true. >> i suppose that's a that's an

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because speech because sadiq made a big speech about brexit same day. about brexit on the same day. >> meeting. >> so we had a meeting. so monday we >> so we had a meeting. so moncfocusing we >> so we had a meeting. so moncfocusing on we >> so we had a meeting. so moncfocusing on the we >> so we had a meeting. so moncfocusing on the budget. we were focusing on the budget. thursday economy thursday we had an economy committee meeting about brexit. now we've had one of these before about a year ago, we ianedin before about a year ago, we invited in a load of industry experts these are people experts from these are people from the service industries, accounting, so on to ask accounting, law and so on to ask them how it's gone . and i think them how it's gone. and i think my lefty colleagues at the assembly expecting hear, assembly were expecting to hear, you litany of awful assembly were expecting to hear, ycwas. litany of awful assembly were expecting to hear, ycwas. what litany of awful assembly were expecting to hear, ycwas. what wasy of awful assembly were expecting to hear, ycwas. what was interestingvful assembly were expecting to hear, ycwas. what was interesting ,:ul assembly were expecting to hear, ycwas. what was interesting , it it was. what was interesting, it was actually slightly embarrassing because most of the industry of course, industry people, of course, he's a just a business people who they just moved on, know, by 2021, 22, moved on, you know, by 2021, 22, brexit is a five year old news. they were just they were telling us about how moved on us about how they'd moved on beyond what they beyond it and what they were doing and working beyond it and what they were doing they and working beyond it and what they were doing they can. and working out how they can. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so this week, my beloved >> so this week, um, my beloved colleagues another go at colleagues had another go at trying to do the thing, and trying to do the same thing, and this academics. so this time they had academics. so we proposed a witness to come to our committee and tell us who we thought might give at least a less chamber view. shall we less echo chamber view. shall we say. and, uh , the labour chair say. and, uh, the labour chair of the committee just vetoed our guest. they said we cannot have

our guest. and actually, that was the reason why we refused to cooperate. we said, if you're creating well, cooperate. we said, if you're creati|your well, cooperate. we said, if you're creati|your echo well, cooperate. we said, if you're creati|your echo chamber. well, cooperate. we said, if you're creati|your echo chamber. we're enjoy your echo chamber. we're not in. then not going to join in. but then the night, khan did the same night, sadiq khan did his big speech about big his big speech about his big report brexit, how how report on brexit, about how how damaging . and what's damaging it was. and what's really about that is really revealing about that is it's a lot like his ulez statistics that as soon as they come they sort dissolve come out, they sort of dissolve on with reality. so, um, on contact with reality. so, um, straight away people have been pointing out all the problems in particular, his argument was that had been still in that if the uk had been still in the eu, our economy would actually have twice as actually have grown twice as fast francois germany, which fast as francois germany, which had been in the eu the whole time. know, a level time. and we, you know, a level of economic growth that we were never it's never on track to meet. so it's another , i'm afraid. another statistic, i'm afraid. his made up statistics . his made up statistics. >> well, listen, sadiq is not here to defend himself. so we can't, you know, have a go at him but did reach him completely. but we did reach out garrett, out to him. but neil garrett, really talk you. really good to talk to you. thank for joining me. >> much. all right. well, that a >> well, that was a bit of a political spotlight. >> looks like things are heating political spotlight. >> boxt like things are heating political spotlight. >> boxt boilersngs are heating political spotlight. >> boxt boilers sponsorseating political spotlight. >> boxt boilers sponsors of ing up. boxt boilers sponsors of whether on gb news .

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of around times of drifting snow around at times and strong wind, it's and in that strong wind, it's going very raw going to be feeling very raw indeed. that cold air that is streaming out of the arctic is slowly going to push its way across the uk, so across all areas of the uk, so you those blue colours you can see those blue colours covering all areas the covering all areas of the country head into monday. country as we head into monday. snow continuing snow showers continuing to push in the north, primarily in from the north, primarily affecting but affecting northern scotland but also into northern also now pushing into northern ireland. see a few ireland. and we might see a few skirting far wales , skirting the far west of wales, england, as as parts of england, as well as parts of humberside and norfolk, head further monday further inland, though monday looks like quite a bright and sunny day, for and sunny day, but cold for all. and that theme continuing that cold theme is continuing right throughout next week. >> feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> citizen . stay tuned because >> citizen. stay tuned because on the way i'll be joined by my panel on the way i'll be joined by my panel. lizzie cundy and also matthew lazo. but next i've got my monologue on ed davey and the . post office scandal. you won't want to miss that one, so stay tuned as ever, keep your thoughts coming. gb views at gb

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4:00. welcome to gb news on tv, onune 4:00. welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines now. hitting the headlines right now. this opinion . this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating , discussing and at debating, discussing and at times disagree , but no times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy and also former labour party advisor matthew laza . but before we get matthew laza. but before we get started, let's get your latest news with tatiana sanchez . news with tatiana sanchez. >> nana. >> nana. >> thank you very much and good afternoon . this is the latest afternoon. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. the palestinian ambassador to the uk has accused the government of complicity with israel . husam complicity with israel. husam zomlot was addressing a pro—palestinian rally in central london. the march through the capital is part of a global day of action involving 30

countries, calling for a ceasefire in gaza, police have so far arrested two people for carrying offensive placards. protesters have been telling us why they think it's important to take part . take part. >> awareness, um, that we are we support palestine . we support support palestine. we support every country . every country. >> um, that's regardless of what the issue is. >> no one is happy, you know, that's why we see many people so against what's been happening between palestine and israel. you know, this is at least we can do to support the people . can do to support the people. >> what's happening is atrocious i >> -- >> there's too many war crime, international war crimes being committed . no one's saying anything. >> yemen's . anything. >> yemen's. houthis rebels have promised a strong and effective response following a fresh strike by the united states. the us says it was a follow up by to a joint uk mission targeting houthi positions . the west is houthi positions. the west is trying to stop the iranian backed group from attacking ships in the red sea. us

president joe biden confirmed a private message was delivered to tehran , making it clear the us tehran, making it clear the us is well prepared. military analysts sean bell says america's strike was strategic, focusing on a specific site . focusing on a specific site. >> the us unilaterally did the strike last night. it's either that following yesterday . the that following yesterday. the houthis launched another missile almost as a an act of petulance. and it looks either in response to that, the us has struck this radar site or after the strikes on thursday night, battle damage assessment, they will have looked and said , ah, one of the looked and said, ah, one of the radar sites is still survive the attack and therefore they decided to use uss carney to use another tomahawk missile to actually take it out. it does seem to be a very surgical, measured response and it is a unilateral response. last night, a former postmistress who's to stand against sir davey at the next general election says he must be brought to justice. >> the lib dem leader was postal affairs minister during the

honzon affairs minister during the horizon it scandal, but has refused to apologise to the victims or take any accountability for his inaction. hundreds of staff were wrongly prosecuted after faulty software led to shortfalls in subpostmasters accounts. sir ed says he was lied to by the post office on an industrial scale. speaking exclusively to gb news, yvonne tracy, who's running as an mp for kingston and surbiton, says she felt compelled to run for office. >> i would have loved it if we could have got a subpostmaster who'd been affected by this to stand against ed davey , but i stand against ed davey, but i can understand that probably their confidence is not, and they probably are fed up to death with the government, etc. so i thought , death with the government, etc. so i thought, it's going to be me. i'm reluctantly doing it, but i feel i have to do something and this is all i can do. i think he should be brought to account . to account. >> meanwhile, tax experts say the post office could be facing insolvency for failing to pay up to £100 million in tax. they say the company claimed £934 million

tax relief on compensation paid to branch managers caught up in the horizon it scandal . tax the horizon it scandal. tax policy associates a non profit organisation, has described the practice as outrageous and potentially unlawful . the post potentially unlawful. the post office says its financial information is appropriate and accurate. lawyer nigel hudgell represented some of the subpostmasters . subpostmasters. >> we've got an it system that clearly was flawed, but people made decisions on the back of that, so those people need to be held to account. i think we've seen some people come this seen some people come out this week high profile week, some high profile individuals expressed regret in some , apologised, you some instances, apologised, you know, gestures around handing back honours . i think the back honours. i think the feeling within the people that i speak to is some of this is rather late in the day. it's forced . the first channel forced. the first channel migrants of the year have arrived in dover. >> border force intercepted a vessel carrying around 50 people this morning. it's the first small boat crossing since the 16

of december , the longest period of december, the longest period without any migrant arrivals for almost four years. bad weather may have prevented more people from making the dangerous journey , and parts of the uk are journey, and parts of the uk are bracing for an arctic blast with more snow and subzero temperatures on the way. yellow weather warnings for much of the north of scotland come into force at midnight, and temperatures are expected to fall as low as minus five degrees . the met office says the degrees. the met office says the conditions could cause some disruption to . travel this is gb disruption to. travel this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to . nana play gb news. now back to. nana >> thank you tatiana. it's just coming up to six minutes after 4:00. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv, onune akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. from the man who gave us this

vast majority. >> people will have the same gender as their biological sex. >> but a small number won't. >> but a small number won't. >> so a woman . oh well, they've >> so a woman. oh well, they've missed the best bit. >> what happened with that? that was ed davey. ed davey has got a lot to answer for. he was a post office minister between 2010 and 2012. in the midst of the post office debacle, where more than 700 branch operators were wrongly prosecuted . between 1999 wrongly prosecuted. between 1999 and 2015, during his tenure, ed was approached by postmaster alan bates , whom he dismissed alan bates, whom he dismissed and told him that there was nothing wrong with the horizon it system . ed told him, i don't it system. ed told him, i don't believe the meeting would serve any purpose . ed now blames the any purpose. ed now blames the post office for apparently not telling him the truth, which shows that he was either incompetent or gullible given the clear alarm bells sounding at the time . well, even now, at the time. well, even now, knowing the full situation, he still refuses not only to

apologise, but also refuses to resign , which is ironic as he's resign, which is ironic as he's repeatedly called for others to do so for arguably a lot less in the last five years, ed has called ministers, mps, bbc executives and in fact he even called for the entire board of thames water to resign. in fact , thames water to resign. in fact, ed has notched up a total of 34 since 2019, of which 18 were demands for boris to go . in demands for boris to go. in january 2022, ultra emerged that bofis january 2022, ultra emerged that boris had apparently given his personal backing for pen farthing and his animals to be evacuated from kabul . ed farthing and his animals to be evacuated from kabul. ed said another day, another lie. if bofis another day, another lie. if boris johnson won't resign , tory boris johnson won't resign, tory mps must sack him . and that's mps must sack him. and that's just one on a long list. rishi she hadn't gotten off lightly ehhen she hadn't gotten off lightly either. none to date. whilst he's been in the hot seat as prime minister but ed called for him to resign twice when he was chancellor in april 2022. sir ed

said when struggling families need support, rishi sunak has hit them with a massive tax rise. now instead of tackling the cost of living crisis , he's the cost of living crisis, he's busy trying to explain his secret tax arrangements . the secret tax arrangements. the ministerial code requires openness for a reason. sunak must resign. editor's demanded resignations of former cabinet minister priti patel. robert jenrick, chris grayling and kwasi kwarteng. the list goes on. yet ed remains defiant. none of this post office fiasco is his fault, despite being post office minister at the height of the scandal and despite refusing to speak to concerned postmasters . as sally stringer, postmasters. as sally stringer, a former postmistress in gloucestershire, said that she had a letter which proved that ed was fully aware of the honzon ed was fully aware of the horizon scandal when he had ministerial responsibility for the post office. she said i don't think he is fit to hold the position of running a party

in this country due to the fact that he is completely complicit with the problems at the post office from 2010 onwards. on his watch. miss stringer told the bbc i've got a letter from ed davey to my ex—mp down in worcestershire, where he is fully aware of what is going on. to quote . in the post office, to quote. in the post office, because he put it in writing. so either he is not telling the truth or he is stupid. it's an election year and this issue is not going to go away across the board . and now a lib dem board. and now a lib dem spokesperson told the bbc ed's heart goes out to the families caught up in this scandal and his focus is on getting justice and compensation for those impacted. he bitterly regrets that the post office was not honest with him at the time, and will fully cooperate with the inquiry to get to the bottom of what went wrong . in the what went wrong. in the meantime, yvonne tracey, who's

been a postmistress for 30 years, intends to stand as an independent against him in his own seat. poetic justice, justice if she wins, which i suspect she will, as we are all incensed by this scandal. suspect she will, as we are all incensed by this scandal . and ed incensed by this scandal. and ed is not alone. the likes of fujitsu, who in my mind should be sued and sir keir starmer, who were all linked to this scandal, must also be accountable . all those in accountable. all those in government at the time all have questions to answer, but those close to the action who had direct contact with the postmasters themselves , who postmasters themselves, who dismissed their concerns , which dismissed their concerns, which turned out to be legitimate and correct , those who had the correct, those who had the opportunity and responsibility to investigate the postmasters . to investigate the postmasters. claims. observing this odd and unprecedented rise of accounting inaccuracies resulting in many being jailed should we, that was worth looking into. surely those should have smelt a rat this week. ed missed pmqs. he said that he was looking after his son, who is disabled. well, i know firsthand what that's like,

but my knowledge he has never but to my knowledge he has never missed a pmqs. some might say that this is somewhat a convenient coincidence . okay, convenient coincidence. okay, ed, who are the people at the post office who you claim lied to you ? name them. you must know to you? name them. you must know who they are seeing as you are claiming it is their fault. they can verify your account and confirm that you are in fact telling the truth. if not, resign and hand back your knighthood . before we get stuck knighthood. before we get stuck into debate , here's what else is into debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate. this hour i'm asking, was rishi right to join america in the strikes on the houthis as the uk joined others in bombing houthi rebel targets after trade disputes in the red sea? i'll be asking if rishi was right to join america in those strikes, then stay tuned. at 450, it's royal roundup time . 450, it's royal roundup time. angela levin will be live here in the studio to give me the latest behind palace

latest from behind the palace walls on the menu. battle walls on the menu. the battle between as prince between the brothers as prince william and harry. differences . william and harry. differences. are analysed, as well as what king charles was doing when he heard his mother had died, according to a new book. and then stay tuned at five. it's this difficult this week's difficult conversation . ayala beckham will conversation. ayala beckham will be in the studio live now. he'll be in the studio live now. he'll be talking about his time as an idf commander in gaza , as well be talking about his time as an idiorganising er in gaza , as well be talking about his time as an idiorganising tomorrow's as well as organising tomorrow's pro—palestine , pro—israel march pro—palestine, pro—israel march in london. as we discuss the ongoing israel—hamas crisis. now, that is all coming up in the next hour. tell me what you think everything think on everything we're discussing. gb views at gb discussing. email gb views at gb news. or tweet me at . gb news. com or tweet me at. gb news. com or tweet me at. gb news. all right, let's get started . let's welcome again to started. let's welcome again to my panel, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy , also columnist lizzie cundy, also former labour party adviser matthew la la la la la la. right. i'm going to start with you. matthew laza ed davey . you. matthew laza ed davey. >> well, he's in serious trouble for sure , and i think he hasn't for sure, and i think he hasn't handled it very well.

>> this week. >> this week. >> and he clearly didn't handle the issue very the original issue two very well either say he's teetering on >> so i'd say he's teetering on the edge at the moment. >> his biggest, you know , his >> his biggest, you know, his big this week in terms big mistake this week in terms of use of sorting it out wasn't to use the word sorry, which seems to be in his the hardest word be in his case, the hardest word to say. be in his case, the hardest word to sthere was an excruciating >> there was an excruciating interview with itv news where he was think ten times if was asked, i think ten times if he a direct apology he would give a direct apology and he wouldn't. so he's you know, it's the old rule, not just but in life. if just in politics but in life. if you're digging. just in politics but in life. if you' he's digging. just in politics but in life. if you' he's managed digging. just in politics but in life. if you' he's managed to digging. just in politics but in life. if you' he's managed to digthe]. just in politics but in life. if you' he's managed to digthe exact and he's managed to do the exact opposite so think opposite of that. so i think that, know , we've got to that, you know, we've got to remember were post remember there were 12 post office it goes office ministers because it goes all the way back. he is one of those responsible, one of those responsible. to responsible. and he needs to take share the take his share of the responsibility . i take his share of the responsibility. i mean, saw responsibility. i mean, we saw there's some documents released by inquiry yesterday. i by the inquiry yesterday. i think, know , this was this think, you know, this was this was right when it was even being tested in the mid in the early nights late when nights or the late 90s when blair just power. blair had just come to power. there were questions full there were questions the full picture there picture wasn't known, but there were questions from people there. scrap were questions from people thesome scrap were questions from people thesome people scrap were questions from people thesome people said scrap were questions from people thesome people said son) it. some people said carry on because too because it's going to cost too much problems out . much and iron the problems out. and everybody, and then obviously so everybody, you a like that.

you know, it's a bit like that. we won't away the agatha we won't give away the agatha christie everybody we won't give away the agatha chri got everybody we won't give away the agatha chri got fingerprints erybody we won't give away the agatha chri got fingerprints on body we won't give away the agatha chrimurder fingerprints on body we won't give away the agatha chrimurder weapon. »rints on body we won't give away the agatha chrimurder weapon. um, on body we won't give away the agatha chrimurder weapon. um, and,)dy we won't give away the agatha chrimurder weapon. um, and, and the murder weapon. um, and, and all those responsible need to be held so he needs held to account. so he needs to be clearer. he we be much clearer. he needs. we need i think you need to, as you say. i think you hit the nail on the head. nana. when he needs us when you say he needs to tell us exactly he wasn't exactly who he thinks wasn't telling the what went exactly who he thinks wasn't telling he the what went exactly who he thinks wasn't telling he the just what went exactly who he thinks wasn't telling he the just say at went exactly who he thinks wasn't telling he the just say atwas1t wrong? he can't just say i was lied think that's going lied to and think that's going to book. to close the book. >> also, why >> well, also, the reason why i've homed him and i've homed in on him and i accept there other accept there were other ministers other ministers and loads of other people so he's people involved in this, so he's not was a key not alone and he's was a key period. but period. he was a key period. but also it's more to do the also it's more to do with the fact that constantly fact that he is constantly telling people that they should resign. the resign. this is one of the perils of opposition. resign. this is one of the perils o believable]. davey. >> i've believable ed davey. >> i've believable ed davey. >> , let me tell you, he has >> well, let me tell you, he has to down immediate to stand down with immediate effect that knighthood. >> let me tell you how disgusting i'm just. i think actually, dick turpin will have actually, dick turpin will have a reputation than this a better reputation than this man . man. >> let me tell you, i know two friends that have been absolutely , um, their worlds absolutely, um, their worlds destroyed by this man who did nothing, did absolutely . nothing, did absolutely. nothing. and one of my friends

who was actually featured in the itv drama joe hamilton, who was in my village , who was in my village, who was prosecuted , lost her livelihood, prosecuted, lost her livelihood, lost her reputation option. >> lost of you know, broke up her family. i can't tell you how horrific this is and how many. others are going through the same thing. it's absolutely appalling . and for him not to be appalling. and for him not to be even to say sorry, i mean, maybe that's why he was absent from prime minister's question time. who's trying to find that word to out of his mouth? he to get out of his mouth? he needs apologise. to get out of his mouth? he nee he's apologise. to get out of his mouth? he nee he's not)logise. to get out of his mouth? he nee he's not found. yet and he >> he's not found it yet and he needs to sit down and get back. >> his defence, he did say >> in his defence, he did say that after his that he is looking after his disabled listen, you disabled son, and i. listen, you know, my has a disability . i know, my son has a disability. i totally it. needs totally understand it. needs must. and see your must. you must go and see your children. does seem children. but it does seem because i don't think to my knowledge he's missed a pmqs not very doesn't it? very convenient, doesn't it? some would of course he some would say. but of course he has said that is he was has said that that is why he was not let's hope he not there. well, let's hope he is able to turn up next week because beginning. >> rather peculiar >> it will look rather peculiar if weeks on

if he misses the two weeks on the trot. um, although he's very dedicated to his family, that is the big part of your job. um, so the big part of yourjob. um, so , i mean, i think he is absolutely . i , i mean, i think he is absolutely. i think he is absolutely. i think he is absolutely the absolutely teetering on the brink. absolutely teetering on the bnnk. is absolutely teetering on the brink. is no that brink. there is no doubt that this to of the this is going to be one of the biggest between the biggest wedges between the people government uh, people and the government, uh, just who just generally and people who eveni just generally and people who even i mean, who don't even i mean, people who don't know involved, even i mean, people who don't kn0\think involved, even i mean, people who don't kn0\think that volved, even i mean, people who don't kn0\think that thiszd, just think the fact that this went so long, so many went on for so long, so many people it up and so few people covered it up and so few people covered it up and so few people asked the right questions people covered it up and so few pereallylsked the right questions people covered it up and so few pe really going he right questions people covered it up and so few pe really going to right questions people covered it up and so few pereally going to increaseastions is really going to increase cynicism what government is really going to increase cyni inm what government is really going to increase cyni in the what government is really going to increase cyni in the role at government is really going to increase cyni in the role ofjovernment is really going to increase cyni in the role of government. and in the role of government. and so, you know, ed davey's talks his politics, talks a lot about his politics, about trust, etc. about restoring trust, etc. well, to start by being well, he needs to start by being much and much more much clearer and much more detailed what he did and detailed about what he did and crucially, what he didn't do as post minister. why post office minister. and why did drama? did it take an itv drama? >> absolutely. to really shame this government into it and ed davey supposed to be a man of the people . well, he wasn't a the people. well, he wasn't a man the he closed man of the people. he closed ranks. absolutely ranks. he did absolutely nothing. and the saddest thing about this whole tragedy is that lives were lost . yeah. i mean, lives were lost. yeah. i mean, no matter what the compensation is, lives were actually taken.

nothing comes with this. and no one, no one can turn back the clock. and what these people have gone through is absolutely disgusting. fujitsu, i don't disgusting. and fujitsu, i don't know if you know, have been given another 6.5 billion contract with the uk foreign office, so never repeat the mistakes, never reinforce failure. but they will say they because actually they're still involved in the post office. >> so i think they're still effectively it still exists. >> this system. it's been repaired but it still exists. >> the >> they're still using the similar problem similar system. but the problem is, intricate is, is because it's so intricate that it's so, know, like, if that it's so, you know, like, if i software company, i'd i was a software company, i'd give my software make give you my software and i make it difficult to get it very difficult for you to get out of exactly. and you it very difficult for you to get out ofi exactly. and you it very difficult for you to get out ofi suspecty. and you it very difficult for you to get out of i suspect that d you it very difficult for you to get out of i suspect that d isiou know, i suspect that that is kind of what's happened. well, you you receipt you know, when you get a receipt to when you get to stay with them, when you get your know, you your receipt, you know, when you when parcel, the when you send a parcel, send the return shop return back to an online shop that's system receipt. >> it says it at the top. i think certainly to actually. >> now you mentioned now >> now you mentioned it. i'm now recall on recall the words horizon on those receipts. >> mean, everybody's had >> i mean, everybody's had billions receipts have billions of those receipts have been all haven't, been issued and we all haven't, you know, really thought about it. the it. and then, you know, the scandal has been brewing and, you brave

you know, journalists and brave journalists computer weekly, magazine, computer weekly, which originally the story, who originally broke the story, who won journalism awards. but won some journalism awards. but i think they need a knighthood for originally the for originally working with the sub postmasters and mistresses to expose this. and then the mainstream media started to pick up on it. but it's scandalous. it has taken an itv documentary, itv don't want hear from >> i don't want to hear from this. lessons will be learned. no, should have no, this should never have happened. a travesty. it is. >> i am confident the inquiry, though the worst, seems to be doing think this doing quite well. i think this so far. >> but listen, i'm sorry. we will go on and on. kyrees. yes. we're so good. >> i'm sceptical. i'm sceptical about about about nana. i'm sceptical about inquiries generally . inquiries generally. >> partygate inquiry. >> partygate inquiry. >> this one, it seems to be >> but this one, it seems to be because like on friday, they made has made clear the post office has taken what? taken the. you know what? they haven't emails. taken the. you know what? they haven't them. emails. taken the. you know what? they haven't them. seem|ails. taken the. you know what? they haven't them. seem|ailbe we want them. they seem to be a bit bish bash no, bit more bish bash bosh. no, but you old you know, than the good old covid think we covid inquiry, which i think we all trouble. you say all agree is in trouble. you say that, hoping, i'm hoping that, but i'm hoping, i'm hoping i'm you're saying that. >> but have % have % oh wen, >> but i have heard. oh well, you though, you know, the thing is, though, there some postmasters there might be some postmasters who were actually conning the system. to be careful system. so we have to be careful that we don't. >> that's the >> well, that's what the minister said this week. >> that's tough, minister said this week. >> that's that's tough,

minister said this week. >> that's tiift's tough, minister said this week. >> that's ti if that ugh, minister said this week. >> that's ti if that is h, minister said this week. >> that's ti if that is the but that's tough. if that is the case, of course you still have to pay. if one person is guilty and of innocent, and hundreds of innocent, that's british the system british justice isn't the system . you know with that . how would you know with that system were system anyway? but these were people were pillar people that were the pillar of the hard working, people , >> hard working, good people, but have have you know , of but have have been, you know, of course, fairly in in every course, fairly in every in every in every barrel, there may be one rotten apple davey time one rotten apple ed davey time to go give back your knighthood. do right thing. do the right thing. >> it needs a lot more >> i think it needs a lot more answers this week before before >> i think it needs a lot more anscan; this week before before >> i think it needs a lot more anscan says week before before >> i think it needs a lot more anscan say safe.ek before before we can say safe. >> because, know, >> yeah, because, you know, you've the finger pretty you've pointed the finger pretty sharply people and now sharply at other people and now it's been pointed at you. you're nowhere to be seen. so to be fair, you know respect you. fair, you know i respect you. but this particular occasion , but on this particular occasion, actually, i'm not sure i'm going to stop talking now. yeah, i keep saying stop. i'm going to stop thinking now because i just remembered a lesson from ed, but like, stay tuned. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. coming it's digital radio. coming up, it's royal angela royal round—up time. angela levin the levin will be here to give the latest from behind the palace walls. it's time latest from behind the palace walthe it's time latest from behind the palace walthe great it's time latest from behind the palace walthe great british t's time latest from behind the palace walthe great british debate. for the great british debate. this asking, was this hour. and i'm asking, was rishi right to join america in

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been. that's fine. it's fast approaching 24 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news on tv, onune 4:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua and let's have a look at what you've been saying about my monologue on ed davey. margaret is he margaret says ed davey is he denying that he was denying or admitting that he was incompetent a minister? it incompetent as a minister? it was his job to know this kind of thing going on. and let's thing was going on. and let's be honest, fair ed, there honest, to be fair to ed, there were ten other were i think it was ten other ministers or post office ministers or 12 post office ministers or 12 post office ministers that or ministers during that time, or however they so it however many they were. so it wasn't during that wasn't just him, but during that penod wasn't just him, but during that period though, 20, 2010 period of time, though, 20, 2010 to was . brian says ed to 2012, it was. brian says ed davey simply has to go all his claims that he's lied. he was lied to or simply not. not an excuse, an excuse. sorry excuse, simply an excuse. sorry to mask his incompetence to try and mask his incompetence . and robbie says surely the post office scandal is just another indicator of the shambolic country is shambolic way this country is governed. yeah, i'm afraid , i'm governed. yeah, i'm afraid, i'm afraid you are right. yes. well listen, first of all, let's go to our reporter lisa hartle. she's covering today's pro—palestine protest march for us and let's out . uh, get us and let's find out. uh, get an from her. uh, lisa, an update from her. uh, lisa, can you give us a quick update

on how the march is progressing ? on how the march is progressing? hello >> yes, well, at parliament square now . so this is where the square now. so this is where the march. uh all the marches came here. so if i just step out the way, you can see we've got people panning down whitehall, they've got all the flags, placards , everyone, uh, all the placards, everyone, uh, all the way across westminster bridge and they're all watching at the moment as various speakers are taking to a temporary stage and giving speeches. >> and that's been going on since at least for at least an hour. since at least for at least an hour . so it's since at least for at least an hour. so it's not long for this left now . so, um, because left now. so, um, because everyone's got to be out of the area by 5:00. so uh, it's not long left, but but, um, today there was 7500, uh, police that were involved in policing this, um , this protest. they say it's um, this protest. they say it's obviously not long into the new yean obviously not long into the new year, but this is the biggest protest of the year . protest of the year. >> uh, police officers came from around the country. their around the country. and their message this morning was, they know people here

know the majority of people here today are going to protest peacefully lawfully, has today are going to protest peacef seen lawfully, has today are going to protest peacef seen in lawfully, has today are going to protest peacef seen in the vfully, has today are going to protest peacefseen in the past.. has we've seen in the past. >> but for the message for the minority of that are minority of people that are used, like this incite used, events like this to incite hatred, whether that be through displaying banners or displaying offensive banners or prescribing , uh, or showing prescribing, uh, or showing support for a proscribed organisation such as hamas, then they will be dealt with. >> and so far we've seen two arrests today and that was in relation to offensive placards. and then there have been three arrests on suspicion of showing support for a proscribed organisation . and that's after organisation. and that's after leaflets were being found to be handed out here, distributed that showed , um, support for the that showed, um, support for the massacre that took place on the 7th of october by hamas . um, so 7th of october by hamas. um, so this is today's part of a global, um, show of support for gaza. over 30 countries are taking doing something that similar to this that we're seeing here in london. >> and this is the seventh one today. >> and aslef this one is nearly

wrapping up now. and then tomorrow, uh, police say they're going to strong presence going to have a strong presence also in the capital because israel holding a rally israel will be holding a rally in support , not israel. in support, not israel. >> sorry, a rally in support of israel will be taking place at trafalgar square tomorrow from 2 pm. p.m. >> thank you very much . >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> lisa lisa hartle there. she's at the pro—palestine protest. so it's at the pro—palestine protest. so wsfime at the pro—palestine protest. so it's time now for the great british debate. this hour. i'm asking, right join asking, was rishi right to join america strikes the america in the strikes on the houthis? minister has houthis? the prime minister has justified his decision to take the against the rebels in the action against the rebels in the action against the rebels in the red sea on thursday night, saying in saying the uk acted in self—defence and the strikes were designed to de—escalate tensions and restore stability to to the the and the to to the the region and the british american government has decided after the houthis decided to act after the houthis defied decided to act after the houthis defied warnings to cease their attacks against commercial shipping the sea, which shipping in the red sea, which the group claimed were the rebel group claimed were carried out in support of their ally . however, that ally hamas. however, that decision to launch the strikes has divided at both home has divided opinion at both home and abroad, with other western countries such as refusing countries such as italy refusing to , and liberal to participate, and liberal democrats and the snp urging the prime recall

prime minister to recall parliament so that mps can scrutinise the action. so for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, was rishi right to join america in the strikes on the houthis? well, to discuss i'm joined by former strategic intelligence analyst ewan grant, political commentator peter spencer and also military historian doctor peter caddick—adams . peter, i'll peter caddick—adams. peter, i'll start with you. we'll see. right >> well, i mean , the reality is >> well, i mean, the reality is he's a caddick, but you carry. on. >> go for it, peter. no, i'll go with peter first because he's a historian. he can give us a sorry about that, peter. >> okay. i'm sorry. no um. >> okay. i'm sorry. no um. >> i'm history. i i would >> i'm history. i iwould certainly say that he's, um. >> right. >> he's right. >> he's right. >> there's been there's no >> um, there's been there's no legal requirement to consult parliament or the nation before you go into war. >> the courtesy is that you would then debate it afterwards, which is what's going to happen in this coming week. um, i think what frightened everyone off was, was going to war in 2003, in the gulf. um, that didn't go

very well. um, there was a lot of disagreement about whether that was right or wrong. >> um, and, and when the liberal, when the liberal democrat conservative coalition came in, they , they adhered to came in, they, they adhered to the fact that we would always be a debate prior to going to war. >> but there's not always time. um, is the basic point, uh, and so we, i mean, there's been a long lead up to this and i think everybody's been aware of , uh, everybody's been aware of, uh, the fact that military action might well have been on the horizon. um, so , so i think the horizon. um, so, so i think the prime minister on this occasion is right. he's also going to debate it in parliament in the coming days. um, and i think probably i mean , my sense of probably i mean, my sense of westminster is most of the house is with him as well, because this is a, um, it's not a foreign adventure. this is a threat to world trade, which affects us all. it will start to put , um, um, affects us all. it will start to put, um, um, it will start to

create start to create shortages in our shops and pile on the, the pence in on petrol prices. >> well also his his pledge for inflation might, might, might go wrong because that's the only one managed achieve. one he's managed to achieve. peter spencer yeah i mean there is no question about the fact that these guys have been taking the mickey royally for some considerable period of time and they jolly well deserve a good punchin they jolly well deserve a good punch in the nose. >> now, we in britain , as peter, >> now, we in britain, as peter, my namesake, rightly pointed out, we have a particular interest in the impact on trade. it's 15% of the world's interest in the impact on trade. it's15% of the world's shipping goes through the red sea and of course we have the city of london, which , um, has a london, which, um, has a particular interest in it not being disrupted . being disrupted. >> however, while there has been a large swathe of international powers saying, yeah , look good powers saying, yeah, look good on you guys, go for it. with the exception of the french, of course . um, it's one thing to course. um, it's one thing to say we're with you in spirit.

it's another thing to say, another thing to put your weapons your words are . weapons where your words are. and so it comes down to just britain and the united states. and i do have to say , say that and i do have to say, say that if you look at the long history of our relationship , our special of our relationship, our special relationship with our, um, colonial cousins, when push comes to shove at various times , comes to shove at various times, they say jump and we say how high? >> all right. well, thank you for that. okay, ewan. yeah i entirely agree with, um, all the comments. >> he was right at the decision . >> he was right at the decision. >> he was right at the decision. >> the immediate decision to go the timing was swift, but this has been planned for a long time . months as a contingent see. and it was enacted and many people knew it was a contingent kc. so this is not out of the blue, though some people might argue that, um , well, actually, argue that, um, well, actually, he should really consult because

ultimately he can't just go out and make decisions like that. >> that's the whole point of having a houses of parliament. that's the whole point of having having a houses of parliament. thethe the whole point of having having a houses of parliament. thethe otheriole point of having having a houses of parliament. thethe other people nt of having having a houses of parliament. thethe other people to of having having a houses of parliament. thethe other people to listening all the other people to listen and make sure his decisions correct. owen. and make sure his decisions cor|yeah,bwen. and make sure his decisions cor|yeah, he n. and make sure his decisions cor|yeah, he will be consulting >> yeah, he will be consulting because there's going to be a parliamentary debate. i understand monday . understand on monday. >> the event, though. >> yes, indeed. but sometimes you move quickly . um, you have to move quickly. um, the would not have been the us would not have been constrained by waiting for a british parliamentary debate. it's a big plus diplomatically rather than purely militarily , rather than purely militarily, that america's been involved and the eyes of the world are on here. let's not forget that russia and china did not veto no , the un resolution. that's true. and every country along the supply chain , particularly the supply chain, particularly in the choke points, will be looking very closely at well, listen, if the west blinks, problems . problems. >> we're running out of time. thank you very much for that. that's you and grant. he's a former strategic and

intelligence former strategic and intellige historian former strategic and intelligehistorian , doctor former strategic and intellige historian , doctor peter military historian, doctor peter caddick—adams and also peter spencen caddick—adams and also peter spencer, political commentator. thank you for your thoughts. what yours ? gb views gb what are yours? gb views gb news. com tweet me at gb news. was rishi right to join america in the strikes of the houthis? you'll thoughts of my you'll hear the thoughts of my panel way this week . panel also on the way this week. difficult conversation. but first latest news first let's get your latest news with . with tatiana de. >> nana. thank you for 33. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. i'm three people have been arrested under the terrorism act. suspected of showing support for a proscribed organisation. they were detained dunng organisation. they were detained during the pro—palestinian rally, which has seen thousands of people marching through central london. the demonstrate is part of a global day of action involving 30 countries, calling for a ceasefire in gaza. police have also arrested two people for carrying offensive placards . yemen's houthi rebels placards. yemen's houthi rebels have promised a strong and

effective response following a fresh strike by the united states. the us says it was a follow up to a joint uk mission targeting houthi positions. the west is trying to stop the iranian backed group from attacking ships in the red sea . attacking ships in the red sea. president joe biden confirmed a private message was delivered to tehran , making it clear the us tehran, making it clear the us is well prepared. a former postmistress who's to stand against sir davey at the next general election says he must be brought to justice. the lib dem leader was the postal affairs minister during the horizon. it scandal, but has refused to apologise to the victims or take accountability for his inaction. hundreds of staff were wrongly prosecuted after faulty software led to shortfalls in their accounts. sir ed says he was lied to by the post office on an industrial scale . speaking industrial scale. speaking exclusively to gb news yvonne tracy, who's running as an mp for kingston and surbiton , says for kingston and surbiton, says she felt compelled to run for office. >> i would have loved it if we

could have got a supply master who'd been affected by this, to stand against ed davey, but i can understand that probably their confidence is not and they probably are fed up to death with the government, etc. so i thought , with the government, etc. so i thought, it's going to be me. i'm reluctantly doing it, but i feel i have to do something and this is all i can do. i think he should be brought to account. >> the first channel migrants of the year have arrived in dover border force intercepted a vessel carrying around 50 people this morning. it's the first small boat crossing since the 16th of december. the longest penod 16th of december. the longest period without any migrant arrivals for almost four years. it's thought bad weather deterred more people from making the dangerous journey . you can the dangerous journey. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website , gb by visiting our website, gb news.com .

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news is . news is. >> welcome back. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. it's time now for the great british debate of this houn great british debate of this hour. if you've just tuned in, i'm nana akua and i'm asking, was rishi right to join america in the strikes on the houthis ? in the strikes on the houthis? the prime minister has justified his decision to military his decision to take military action against the houthi rebels in the red sea, saying that the uk acted in self—defence and that the strikes were designed

to de—escalate tensions and restore stability to the region. the british and american governments decided to act after the houthis ignored warnings to cease their attacks against commercial shipping in the red sea, which the rebel group claimed were carried out in support of their ally hamas . support of their ally hamas. however, the decision to launch the strikes has divided opinion at both home and abroad, with other western countries such as italy refusing to participate , italy refusing to participate, and the liberal democrats and the snp surging, urging the prime minister to recall parliament so mps can scrutinise his actions. so for the great british debate, this hour, i'm asking, was rishi right to join america in the strikes with the houthis? now let's see what my panel make of that. joining me to broadcast and to discuss broadcast and columnist lizzie cundy also former labour party adviser matthew lhasa, lizzie cundy . matthew lhasa, lizzie cundy. yes, totally. >> we had to we had no choice. we have to protect our energy , we have to protect our energy, our oil and the food costs and everything else. and it's about stopping these murderous groups. let me tell you, um, these

rebels are nothing but terrorists. they're like hamas. they are a death cult. and if we do not do anything, what would that say to the to them and to the entire world? and can i just say it's 100 days today since the horrific massacre by hamas as well. and we had to take a stance, we had to do something . stance, we had to do something. and i thought rishi was right and very statesman like, actually. and did the right actually. and he did the right thing. do you think maybe he was protecting his inflation, halving inflation as well? >> well , it's halving inflation as well? >> well, it's everything halving inflation as well? >> well , it's everything because >> well, it's everything because it affects everything this does andifs it affects everything this does and it's shocking and it has to be treated delicately . be treated delicately. >> but look i was talking about this weeks ago and they had to do something. we had to and it's a very scary time. we've got to look at iran because because what they're doing backing these these terrorist groups, they have to be either sanctioned on making nuclear weapons and actually their whole regime , actually their whole regime, which is barbaric, grinded out

because it's like 14th century. thatis because it's like 14th century. that is the worry is around to me, very scary times. >> so yeah, i think we can have a agreement here that they were the right thing to do. i think the right thing to do. i think the fear is that might the fear is that they might not actually enough of the actually take out enough of the capacity that to stop further attacks but you attacks happening, but you clearly stand by clearly couldn't stand by whether there was direct whether there was a direct attack shipping on attack on british shipping on a british warship and attacks on international shipping going through that absolutely vital stretch water, which is the stretch of water, which is the one of the key ways between asia and europe goods. i'm very and europe for goods. i'm very disappointed that some of the europeans know, much of europeans and, you know, much of the contents of those ships is heading not for but for heading not for britain, but for mainland european ports and thence on to italy and germany . thence on to italy and germany. uh, who to and france? the three remain pretty silent on the issue, or tried to hedge their bets, which is which is disappointing . so i think doing disappointing. so i think doing the right thing is not necessarily doing something that is absolutely going to solve the problem at a at a fell swoop. >> yeah. through red >> yeah. but through the red sea, it's china's sea, i mean, it's 60% of china's exports . it's to europe. this is

exports. it's to europe. this is how big it is, you know, and, um, i totally agree with rishi doing this. and he's given a further 2.5 billion to the ukraine. we've given actually 12 billion in all up to today. and he was there on friday and it was he was there on friday. it was he was there on friday. it was the right thing to do because knows, it be because who knows, it could be us next. and we have to that, you know, first order of any government protect government is to protect its people. absolutely people. and that's absolutely i mean, i think pretty mean, i think it's pretty outrageous people on outrageous for some people on the left who've saying that the left who've been saying that this west this shows that the west cares more does more about shipping than it does about which about people in gaza, which is absolutely let's absolutely wrong, because let's just ourselves that, as just remind ourselves that, as lesley says , the gaza lesley so rightly says, the gaza conflict was started by hamas and need a solution that and we need a solution that protects , uh, everybody, protects, uh, everybody, all civilians , and frees the people civilians, and frees the people of gaza from hamas. >> so the idea that, you know, you can equate what this directly because directly with, you know, because because there's one problem you can't try and solve another problem. it'sjust can't try and solve another problem. it's just absolutely ridiculous simplistic. problem. it's just absolutely ridic seen. simplistic. problem. it's just absolutely ridic seen stuff simplistic. problem. it's just absolutely ridic seen stuff social stic. problem. it's just absolutely ridicseen stuff social media i've seen stuff on social media around the palestine march. it's now the palestine. i mean, i really think anybody on really don't think anybody on the britain should be

the left in britain should be marching the marching for the for the houthis, are make houthis, who are who make the iranian nicely. iranian iranians look nicely. iranians i'm finding american iranians. >> but i mean, but you've got to think about i mean, i think think about it. i mean, i think we of showed up we kind of showed ourselves up a little bit because we just about got enough people on our got enough people to on on our ships, have ships, the one ship we can have one mean, we spoke one ship. i mean, we spoke we spoke that week, spoke about that last week, didn't spoke about that last week, did we haven't got enough in >> we haven't got enough in the navy. we can't recruit understaffed, underfunded. >> embarrassing but >> it's embarrassing. but listen, without listen, this is nothing without you and your views. let's welcome our great british voices there on unity on the show there on unity to be on the show and what they think and tell us what they think about topics we're about the topics we're discussing. we about the topics we're disc bristol we about the topics we're disc bristol bristol? we about the topics we're disc bristol bristol? let's we about the topics we're disc bristol bristol? let's have ne go? bristol bristol? let's have a chat with the. yes, we've got the muppets back. let's have a chat with lee harris. he's there in bristol. harris. in bristol. lee harris. >> hi, nana. hi. i'm in complete agreement with the panel that you know. >> yes. >> yes. >> is the answer. >> is the answer. >> this is a group of terrorists who for months have been attacking, uh, civilian commercial shipping. and a military response was absolutely necessary. cannot sit back necessary. we cannot sit back and do nothing . and as matthew and do nothing. and as matthew rightly said a few days ago, british royal navy warship was attacked by the houthis in one of the worst attack against a

british warship in decades. and the us and the uk directly warned that there would be severe consequences . um, it's severe consequences. um, it's not only to protect civilian lives and the freedom of navigation, but this is also about economic, uh, global economic security. 15% of world trade goes through the red sea and 20 million barrels of oil go through the red sea every single day. that's a fifth of the world's supplies . we simply world's supplies. we simply can't allow them to pick off boats without consequences . and boats without consequences. and this was joint military action with the us that was supported by 6 or 7 other countries. and it follows a un resolution that condemns these attacks in the strongest terms, demanding that the group immediately stop . we the group immediately stop. we did play a minor role compared to the us and these were limited, targeted and proportionate. strike specific at houthi military targets and it has significantly degraded their ability to carry out more attacks. and, you know, to all the people that are crying out

about this, this was not an act of war. the houthis are not the government of yemen. this was a police action against pirates. we just about have the capability we have the duty. and this was, you know, an act of self—defence . since it was it self—defence. since it was it was entirely legal, proportionate, and it was absolutely the right thing to do. >> and very briefly, in a yes or no answer, was ricci right then to just go straight in and not bother sort of having consultations with the rest of the of parliament? the houses of parliament? >> , morally and >> yes, morally and constitutionally. right . constitutionally. right. >> lee harris, thank you very much. >> only three words. >> only three words. well >> only three words. well done, lee harris, lee harris, he's there, he's there. a great british in bristol. but british voice in bristol. but now with nana now you're with me. i'm nana akua. is gb news on tv, akua. this is gb news on tv, onune akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, my difficult conversation . my guest is one of conversation. my guest is one of the chief organisers of tomorrow's israeli march. you'll hear the thoughts on israel defence and the international criminal court. but first, let's get some weather.

>> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello there , i'm jonathan >> hello there, i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office . a bit of a mixed met office. a bit of a mixed picture out there for saturday. quite cloudy skies across southern areas of england and wales, few brighter breaks wales, but a few brighter breaks for areas of northern ireland. northern england to end off the day . some patchy light outbreaks day. some patchy light outbreaks of and drizzle as well, but of rain and drizzle as well, but most dry into this most of us staying dry into this overnight those overnight period. some of those clearer allow clearer spells around will allow for some frost to develop overnight, as well some mist overnight, as well as some mist and patches. temperatures so and fog patches. temperatures so where hold on to the cloud where you hold on to the cloud will be just freezing. will be just above freezing. many cities many of our towns and cities around 1 or 2 c still quite cloudy into sunday as well. for wales . central southern areas of wales. central southern areas of england again can't rule out some odd spots of light rain and drizzle. a few brighter breaks trying to poke their way through for northern ireland. northern england for northern ireland. northern englashowers as though well. showers as though streaming the far north streaming into the far north of scotland to be falling scotland are going to be falling as even lower levels,

as snow, even to lower levels, bringing the risk of ice on untreated very untreated surfaces. some very strong across shetland, strong winds across shetland, the northern as well the northern isles as well severe bringing risk severe gales bringing the risk of snow around at of drifting snow around at times. and in that strong wind , times. and in that strong wind, it's going to be feeling very raw cold air raw indeed. and that cold air that streaming out of the that is streaming out of the arctic going to push arctic is slowly going to push its areas of its way across all areas of the uk. can see those blue uk. so you can see those blue colours covering areas colours covering all areas of the as head into the country as we head into monday, snow showers continuing to push in from the north, primarily affecting northern to push in from the north, primarily butecting northern to push in from the north, primarily but als0| northern to push in from the north, primarily but also now:hern to push in from the north, primarily but also now pushing scotland but also now pushing into northern we into northern ireland, and we might skirting the far might see a few skirting the far west england, as well might see a few skirting the far we parts england, as well might see a few skirting the far we parts humberside as well as parts of humberside and norfolk, inland. norfolk, head further inland. though monday like quite though monday looks like quite a bright and sunny day, cold bright and sunny day, but cold for all. and that cold theme is continuing next continuing right throughout next week. like things are week. looks like things are heating up by boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> yes, this is gb news on tv, onune >> yes, this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up in my great british debate in the next hour, i'm asking should sir keir starmer be held accountable for the post office scandal? but up next,

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good afternoon. it's fast approaching 53 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. welcome on board. if you've just tuned in now, there's always something going on in the royal household. and this no different.

this week has been no different. and every saturday, i'd to and every saturday, i'd love to give rundown . and who give you a rundown. and who better so than better to do so than royal biographer levin? she's biographer angela levin? she's here in the studio. angela, right . so there's a lot going right. so there's a lot going on. where do you want to start? >> well, i start really. think >> well, i start really. i think he's important . lots of he's the most important. lots of the today . have got all the papers today. have got all about a book that robert hardman has written, who is an expert on royals, about the details of the queen's last few days. and i think we always want to know that we're still grieving her a bit. you know, if for not unforgettable woman . and it was unforgettable woman. and it was very interesting to hear that she they thought that she was going week , but she then going over a week, but she then suddenly tired and she suddenly got very tired and she went very peacefully in her sleep, which is actually something that's very nice. meanwhile while, um, now king charles and queen camilla came and spent an hour with the queen that same day , and then they that same day, and then they went off, um, thinking, well, maybe we've got a few more days and unfortunately, um , then

and unfortunately, um, then prince charles had to whiz over in a helicopter to be there, but he didn't actually quite get there before she actually died. but the aides had to talk to him, and they he knew that his mother had died because they said, your majesty , he two words said, your majesty, he two words they knew then . it was he was they knew then. it was he was now the king they called him the king. and he wanted to speak to william as possible . but william as soon as possible. but he want people who he didn't want the people who deal with the phone to know what had happened before. his son. and so he said, for the first time he said, it's me . and time ever, he said, it's me. and who you know, it's me, and said , who you know, it's me, and said, okay, and then put him through because he didn't want to say he was prince charles or he was king charles to meet them. so that very touching. but the that was very touching. but the queen her red box there queen had her red box there inside with two letters, one for her private secretary and one for then—prince charles. and she'd done all her work. she had written a whole list of things that needed to be done on the

last day or the day before her dying at 96. i mean , we still dying at 96. i mean, we still see the most extraordinary woman and robert, who is very, um , and robert, who is very, um, careful about what he says , you careful about what he says, you know, shows harry in a terrible way that harry wrote in, um, speech that his father was , um, speech that his father was, um, he didn't sort of think very much about him. and he was talking nonsense. this was the row about getting over here by plane , and he's saying, well, it plane, and he's saying, well, it was very easy that he would just have to ring william's aides and they would have told him exactly how to get here. and ahead of him screaming and making a big fuss it all and thinking fuss about it all and thinking that all of his father had to worry about was getting meghan there and sorting out his flight, when actually when you're a mother like that or any mother really dies, that's not your priority and shows that it's all about me, me, me , which it's all about me, me, me, which we say very many times , um, but

we say very many times, um, but it's a very , very touching it's a very, very touching extracts and the book's out in a week . i extracts and the book's out in a week. i don't extracts and the book's out in a week . i don't know why extracts and the book's out in a week. i don't know why i'm giving it publicity, because it is very good, and he's a very good i think all good writer. and i think all those details very, those details are very, very interesting majesty , interesting about her majesty, about how she still kept going with her responsibilities. right up to right up to the end. >> yes, i do, because you must have been heartbroken to lose philip and, you know. >> yes, i mean, he saw that she wasn't it on you. she she went downhill because , downhill once he'd gone because, you know, he everything to you know, he was everything to her and marvellous her and a marvellous relationship. and that's very sad. but william , i think one sad. but william, i think one one must show you how he is keeping diana's , um, things keeping diana's, um, things going in a very kind way. i mean, because of rob burrows . mean, because of rob burrows. um, covid and not covid. what is it? um, it's the, um , rob bars. it? um, it's the, um, rob bars. >> not . not paul burrows. no, >> not. not paul burrows. no, no, no rob burrows. >> uh , this terrible disease >> uh, this terrible disease

which finishes all your muscles and you can't move . oh, and he and you can't move. oh, and he went up to leeds to give them chris. who from, from from, uh, from him came all that way. very kind , very gentle. and his kind, very gentle. and his friend there who i'd seen run with him to raise money, carried him all this way so that he could go through . and it was could go through. and it was motor, motor neurone disease, motor, motor neurone disease, motor neurone disease is a terrible disease . no one's found terrible disease. no one's found any way of helping at all. and they've both raised millions towards it. and he went with his, um, rob went with his wife and his two girls, and they showed all the press how they've been practising their curtsies very sweet . they were so excited very sweet. they were so excited to see prince charles. and the point that prince charles said, which is the key one, is that , which is the key one, is that, um, what friendship is all about is helping each other and coming

forward and doing things like that. and you have really done that. and you have really done that. i'm so proud of you. i think you're just amazing and you really want to cry. really but this is diana the way with aids that she would sit beside people and wasn't frightened of people and wasn't frightened of people with with difficult , um, people with with difficult, um, issues. it was very touching . issues. it was very touching. um, and the last one quickly is michael tindall and zara , who michael tindall and zara, who have no , no, um, inhibitions of have no, no, um, inhibitions of showing how much they love each other. there's a thing where they come out of the sea for a swim in australia, give each other a hug and a kiss, and it's very , very natural. they other a hug and a kiss, and it's very ,become tural. they other a hug and a kiss, and it's very ,become ,jral. they other a hug and a kiss, and it's very ,become , um, they other a hug and a kiss, and it's very ,become , um, really|ey other a hug and a kiss, and it's very ,become , um, really very have become, um, really very close to william . um, and you close to william. um, and you see mia , the oldest daughter who see mia, the oldest daughter who is very friendly with louis, who held her hand when they went to church at christmas . and also, church at christmas. and also, um, that was charlotte. they were chatting all the time, and william hugs . were chatting all the time, and william hugs. um, uh , mike and william hugs. um, uh, mike and i think they are a marvellous i

vision of him coming from an ordinary family into the royal family, fitting very nicely , and family, fitting very nicely, and doesn't moan . doesn't moan. >> wasn't that doesn't moan . you >> wasn't that doesn't moan. you ended up with that one. and that's a very important thing because they are very, very successful and very wealthy people. to people. there's nothing to whinge about. angela levin, thank much . it's lovely thank you so much. it's lovely to you. that royal to talk to you. that is royal biographer that, to talk to you. that is royal bi(course,r that, to talk to you. that is royal bi(course, was that, to talk to you. that is royal bi(course, was royal that, to talk to you. that is royal bi(course, was royal roundup.t, of course, was royal roundup. now on the way. my difficult conversation that is coming up. if you just tuned in, this is the gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i am nana akua. there's lots more to come in the next hour . so good afternoon. if next hour. so good afternoon. if you just tuned in, where have you just tuned in, where have you been? it's fast approaching 5:00. i'm nana akua now for the next hour, me and my panel, we taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines now. hitting the headlines right now. coming my difficult coming up, my difficult conversation, be sitting conversation, i'll be sitting down with ian byram and asking

him what it's like to organise mass protests because he'll be he's been doing that for the march in israel, for israel, which tomorrow , then for the which is tomorrow, then for the great british debate this hour. i'm starmer great british debate this hour. in held starmer great british debate this hour. i'nheld accountable starmer great british debate this hour. in held accountable forstarmer great british debate this hour. in held accountable for the mer great british debate this hour. i'nheld accountable for the post great british debate this hour. i'nhelscandal?table for the post great british debate this hour. i'nhelscandal? but; for the post great british debate this hour. i'nhelscandal? but first, he post great british debate this hour. i'nhelscandal? but first, let'syst office scandal? but first, let's get your latest news with tatiana sanchez . tatiana sanchez. >> nana thank your top stories from the gb newsroom. three people have been arrested under the terrorism act, suspected of showing support for a proscribed organisation. they were detained dunng organisation. they were detained during the pro—palestinian rally , which has seen thousands of people marching through central london police also arrested two people for carrying offensive placards. protesters have been telling us why it was important to take part. well, i'd been killed. 30,000 and more are being killed. kids are being killed and no one is doing anything towards it. so we are asking the government instead of supporting this, to stop it, make our voices heard against

what's going on. >> you know, the government's inaction . inaction. >> no one is happy, you know, that's why we see many people so against what's been happening between palestine and israel . between palestine and israel. >> well, you know, this is at least we can do to support the people . people. >> and i feel so passionately about it. >> and i don't see enough people standing up saying standing up and saying no to this. standing up and saying no to thisso i just felt i had to be here. >> what's happening is atrocious. is too many atrocious. there's is too many war crime , international war war crime, international war crimes being committed . no one's crimes being committed. no one's saying anything . saying anything. >> yemen's houthi rebels have promised a strong and effective response following a fresh strike by the united states. the us says it was a follow up to a joint uk mission targeting houthi positions. the west is trying to stop the iranian backed group from attacking ships in the red sea, president joe biden confirmed a private message was delivered to tehran, making it clear the us is well prepared. military analyst sean bell says america's strike was strategic , focusing on a strategic, focusing on a specific site .

specific site. >> the us unilaterally did the strike last night. it's either that following yesterday , the that following yesterday, the houthis launched another missile almost as a an act of petulance, and it looks either in response to that, the us has struck this radar site or after the strikes on thursday night, battle damage assessment, they will have looked and said, ah, one of the radar sites is still survived the attack and therefore they decided to use uss carney to use another tomahawk missile to actually take it out. it does seem to be a very surgical, measured response, and it is a unilateral response. last night, a former postmistress who's to stand against sir ed davey at the next general election says he must be brought to justice. >> the lib dem leader was postal affairs minister during the honzon affairs minister during the horizon it scandal, but has refused to apologise or to the victims or take any accountability for his inaction. hundreds of staff were wrongly prosecuted after faulty software led to shortfalls in

subpostmasters accounts . sir ed subpostmasters accounts. sir ed says he was lied to by the post office on an industrial scale. speaking exclusively to gb news, yvonne tracy, who's running as an mp for kingston and surbiton , an mp for kingston and surbiton, says she felt compelled to run for office. >> i would have loved it if we could have got a subpostmaster who'd been affected by this to stand against ed davey, but i can understand that probably their confidence is not, and they probably are fed up to death with the government, etc. so i thought , death with the government, etc. so i thought, it's going to be me. i'm reluctantly doing it, but i feel i have to do something and this is all. i can do. i think he should be brought to account. >> meanwhile, tax experts say the post office could be facing insolvency for failing pay up insolvency for failing to pay up to £100 million in tax. they say the company claimed £934 million tax relief on compensation paid to branch managers caught up in the horizon it scandal . tax the horizon it scandal. tax policy associates a non profit

organisation, has described the practice as outrageous and potentially unlawful . the post potentially unlawful. the post office says its financial information is appropriate and accurate . lawyer nigel hudgell accurate. lawyer nigel hudgell represents some of the subpostmasters as . around 150 subpostmasters as. around 150 migrants have been intercepted in the channel, ending the extended pause in crossings on board three small boats. they're the first to make the treacherous journey since the 16th of december. that's the longest period without any migrant arrivals for almost four years. it's thought bad weather may have prevented more people from crossing the channel over the past few weeks . and parts of the past few weeks. and parts of the past few weeks. and parts of the uk are bracing for an arctic blast with more snow and subzero temperatures on the way. yellow weather warnings for much of the north of scotland come into force at midnight, and temperatures are expected to fall as low as minus five fall to as low as minus five degrees. the met office says the conditions could cause some

disruption travel. those are disruption to travel. those are your top stories on gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to . nana. play gb news. now back to. nana. >> this is a gb news welcome on board. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next hour , me akua and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the topics hitting some of the big topics hitting the this the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs, and of course it's yours. we'll be debating , it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree. no one will be disagree. but no one will be cancelled . so joining today disagree. but no one will be cabroadcaster joining today disagree. but no one will be ca broadcaster anding today disagree. but no one will be ca broadcaster and columnistiay is broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. and also a party adviser, matthew laza still to come, my difficult conversation today is with an inspiration . today is with an inspiration. founder of an israeli march jarang byram. now he'll be telling me all about the organising for tomorrow's march. it's a pro—israel march as well

as command commanding and operations in the gaza strip, as well. he's had experience. he's worked with the idf . i'd love worked with the idf. i'd love to. we're going to hearing to. we're going to be hearing his very soon, then his story very soon, then for the debate the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. sir hour. i'm asking, should sir keir held accountable hour. i'm asking, should sir keithe held accountable hour. i'm asking, should sir keithe post held accountable hour. i'm asking, should sir kei the post office ld accountable hour. i'm asking, should sir keithe post office scandalintable hour. i'm asking, should sir keithe post office scandal ?table for the post office scandal? there's questions him and there's questions around him and his accountability all around the whole cases, the prosecutions that were happening there tenure as the there during his tenure as the head of the crown prosecution service, whilst the scandal was at the height. what do you at the height. so what do you think should held think? should he be held accountable way as ever? accountable in some way as ever? get email gb views gb get in touch. email gb views gb news. com or tweet me at . gb news. com or tweet me at. gb news. com or tweet me at. gb news. and now it is time for this week's difficult conversation . now i'm joined by conversation. now i'm joined by ian byram. now he is the founder of israel is , which is an of israel is, which is an organisation dedicated to fostering connections and understanding among young israelis . and their peers israelis. and their peers globally. now, eyal's vision and work aim is to bridge cultural gaps and promote a greater understanding of israel and its

diverse society. although it hasn't been easy for him, he's lost friends due to the ongoing conflict in israel. he's helped command operation in israel and planned an israel rally, not to mention two. he's made the forbes 30 under 30. wow are you rich? is that what it means? doesit rich? is that what it means? does it mean you're rich? >> it's mean that i'm happy. yeah. believe in what i'm doing. yeah, well. >> yeah. yeah money. money definitely made happy. definitely made me happy. i'll be look, definitely made me happy. i'll be let's look, definitely made me happy. i'll be let's be look, definitely made me happy. i'll be let's be serious look, definitely made me happy. i'll be let's be serious for look, let's let's be serious for a moment, because this is a very, very situation . what has very serious situation. what has happened? to me tomorrow. happened? talk to me tomorrow. you organised a pro—israel you have organised a pro—israel march. so talk to me about that march. so talk to me about that march. and also, i want to get your view on the palestinian marches that we're seeing here in this country as well. marches that we're seeing here in ti'm country as well. marches that we're seeing here in ti'mcountprivileged. marches that we're seeing here in ti'mcountprivileged . to join >> i'm very privileged. to join a group of dedicated volunteers from many organisations that tomorrow will arrange the largest pro—israel march that happened here since october 7th. since the beginning of the war, as we mark 100 days, since more

than 130 israelis that were abducted , still held by hamas abducted, still held by hamas and our country is still in war in six different fronts. one of them is gaza. but we have many and many fronts that right now israel is under attack. them and solidarity that will show tomorrow important because we tomorrow is important because we are now in war are standing right now in a war between the western the between the western side of the world against many iranian proxies. one of them is hamas, one of is hezbollah . and we one of them is hezbollah. and we understand people understand that the people of israel that the israel should see that the streets of london is full with their support and we will have representatives both from the labour the labour party and the conservative party. we'll have speakers the families of speakers from the families of the more the hostages. but more than anything , we the hostages. but more than anything, we will have a gathering that will show people an empathy and an optimism about the future and the connection between the united kingdom and israel. so what do you think when you see the pro—palestinian marches? >> because suella braverman labelled them as hate marches and they were chanting from the river to the sea, calling for jihad , are parts of that is jihad, are parts of that is still happening . what are your still happening. what are your thoughts on it ?

thoughts on it? >> i would be very afraid to walk in the streets of london when there is a pro—palestinian march , and this is something march, and this is something thatis march, and this is something that is worrying me, not just in london in many other capitals around the world, including in manhattan and many other cities . manhattan and many other cities. and it's important because the people who weren't there and chants river to the chants from the river to the sea, the people who sea, or even the people who calls ceasefire, calls for ceasefire, are ignonng calls for ceasefire, are ignoring important fact ignoring the most important fact that was given to the that gaza was given to the palestinian in 2005, with no commitment from israel for anything we just wanted for them living in peace and for us living in peace and for us living in peace and for us living in peace. and what's happened since is that the happened since then is that the gaza to be the gaza strip, they came to be the largest terror area terror camp and around the world. and that's why israel facing right now why israel is facing right now in with 2.3 million in a war with 2.3 million civilians, including many terrorists, that put themselves behind the civilians as a human shield . we work on a daily shield. we work on a daily basis, and i just returned from israel, and i saw how the idf is deaung israel, and i saw how the idf is dealing with it and for me, it was made me to be full, frustrated. court of justice international court of justice decided accuse of decided to accuse israel of making a genocide , when we

making a genocide, when we actually is the one that were put in a genocide on october 7th, and hamas leaders called to do again and again. and this do it again and again. and this is not of is just a matter not of motivation, just a matter of their capabilities . if the gaza their capabilities. if the gaza strip will continue to be under hamas leadership, we will see more more. october seventh more and more. october seventh returning in the future. but some people would say that the amount of people killed amount of people being killed in in is disproportionate to in gaza is disproportionate to those killed on the 7th of october. >> now , i'm i think it's >> now, i'm i think it's horrendous what happened there. there no there's literally there is no there's literally i can't imagine what that must have been like for the people there and their families and for there and their families and for the dealing it. the israelis dealing with it. but now this we are but there is now this we are seeing they are giving us numbers of say , over 20,000 numbers of say, over 20,000 people being killed in gaza , um, people being killed in gaza, um, as a sort of retaliatory strikes from israel . from israel. >> so, first of all, important to say, as an israeli and as a human, every human being, especially civilians, that have been killed in a war, this is something that made me to feel unhappy and more than that, unpleasant, especially this unpleasant, especially when this is war israel involved

is a war that israel is involved . same empathy . and this is the same empathy that with every that you will find with every israeli , the captains, israeli soldier, the captains, the higher , the higher officers, the higher, the higher officers, and every average soldier on the ground. this is part of our mentality because we are democracy . we that fight fight a democracy. we that fight fight a terrorist state and the problem that our enemy use human shield not just in schools and un facilities . in hospitals. facilities also. in hospitals. and then when you enter a hospitals that you know that your hostage has been held there, you know, has been there, that you know, has been used a place used as a daily basis, a place to launch rockets into israeli cities, you understand you cities, you understand that you are fighting enemy that is are fighting an enemy that is very and don't care about very brutal and don't care about their civilians . they are their own civilians. they are happy that they are dying in this important this war. but one important mention about the numbers that hamas is sharing, and of course, this is hamas and the united nafions this is hamas and the united nations quoting their numbers, they mentioned more than more than 20,000 people. but i want to ask, how many of them is terrorist israel is mentioned that more than 8000 terrorists terrorist israel is mentioned that been�* than 8000 terrorists terrorist israel is mentioned that been killed.§000 terrorists terrorist israel is mentioned that been killed. (000 of rrorists terrorist israel is mentioned that been killed.§000 of course terrorist israel is mentioned thatb are killed. (000 of course terrorist israel is mentioned thatb are civilians. )0 of course terrorist israel is mentioned thatbare civilians. this course terrorist israel is mentioned thatbare civilians. this isyurse there are civilians. this is not something targeted. something that we targeted. it did it did happen. and i hope it wouldn't. important

wouldn't. but still, important to from different to take numbers from different conflicts the how conflicts around the world. how many non—combatant many combatants to non—combatant have been killed? are have been killed? we are speaking average in speaking in an average war in 9 to 1. here have approximately speaking in an average war in 9 to 1. 1.ere have approximately speaking in an average war in 9 to 1. 1. this have approximately speaking in an average war in 9 to 1. 1. this is have approximately speaking in an average war in 9 to 1. 1. this is not; approximately speaking in an average war in 9 to 1. 1. this is not aniproximately speaking in an average war in 9 to 1. 1. this is not an wayimately speaking in an average war in 9 to 1. 1. this is not an way for|tely 2 to 1. this is not an way for israel showing that it's legitimate that the civilians been. legitimate that the civilians been . killed, but it's just been. killed, but it's just understanding that this is a war zone and a horrible war zone in a small area that had been targeted. when terrorists are walking uniform, they walking not with uniform, they go civilians. they shoot from go as civilians. they shoot from civilians area to civilians area. i want to this area. so i want to ask this question every country question for every country that is democratic and want fight is democratic and want to fight against how against a terrorist state, how they with this they would deal with this situation , sure the and situation, i'm sure the uk and that's why we have such a broad support here, and that's why tomorrow both tomorrow we'll have both conservative and labour party coming israel coming to show support to israel . this is why it's important, . this is why it's so important, because the israel fight is right now, the western fight. >> you think the israel are >> do you think the israel are being unfairly then by >> do you think the israel are beirglobal unfairly then by >> do you think the israel are beirglobal on unfairly then by >> do you think the israel are beirglobal on the|irly then by >> do you think the israel are beirglobal on the globalen by >> do you think the israel are beirglobal on the global stage? the global on the global stage? because it does seem a lot of people condemning israel people are now condemning israel , saying they gone too , saying that they have gone too far and that now, you know, they are committing war crimes. do

you that people are being you feel that people are being unfair to israel? >> yeah, it made me to feel unslipped . as i i just unslipped. as i said, ijust returned israel , i joined returned from israel, i joined the saw they are the idf. i saw how they are deaung the idf. i saw how they are dealing saw images dealing with it. i saw an images that most them was not that most of them was not published, just because of the safety the people on the safety of the people on the other because is other side, because this is still a area. what i did still a war area. but what i did understand that any accusation of genocide is far from the truth. actually, the south africa that decided to accuse israel by a genocide is partnering with hamas and with iranian proxies. just today it was published that the south african ambassador, foreign minister, travelled to iran the day after seven of october. and then i want to ask, maybe here there is an initiative that there is an initiative that there is an iranian involvement that both sent hamas to fight in the south israel , sent the south of israel, sent hezbollah to fight in the north of israel, and also send south africa to fight against africa to fight legally against israel . israel. >> but that's just what you think. evidence of that. >> the clear evidence i watched the three hours of trail when south africa israel for south africa accused israel for war just

war crimes, more than just quoting singers of that quoting singers of israel that mentioned that they are happy for palestinians being killed. and by the way, i'm not supporting i think that supporting them. i think that they, an israeli citizen, they, as an israeli citizen, should for their words. they, as an israeli citizen, shorthis for their words. they, as an israeli citizen, shorthis fowords words. but this is just words campaigning action being campaigning for action being done by hamas that that not just educate the kids to marry the jews and to make an annihilation of the entire israel. they also jews and to make an annihilation of thelikeire israel. they also jews and to make an annihilation of thelike that,ael. they also jews and to make an annihilation of thelike that,ael. they also acted like that, and they haven't shown any evidence for israel acting in a genocide. >> but how if what you're saying is true , how is it? how do you is true, how is it? how do you think that you can actually defeat that in by bombing it? >> so i don't think that we should defeat and i'm speaking about, first of all, internationally, i think that many countries , including this many countries, including this state, israel state, is supporting israel right now the way they do it right now and the way they do it and comparing between what's and i'm comparing between what's happening in the countries for what's in the streets. what's happening in the streets. we problem. what's we see a problem. that's what's happening we see a problem. that's what's happenipeople do not want to streets, people do not want to see the evidence and the evidence that hamas is not just bad this also bad bad for israel. this is also bad for the palestinian people. and this this to this is the goal of this to world take hamas gaza

world take out hamas from gaza and to innocent and not to attack innocent palestinian . but this is how palestinian. but this is how israel is treating it. >> but the palestinian people, and from watching the and from watching a lot of the protests, don't see them protests, i don't see them saying they you know, i'm saying that they you know, i'm not seeing real condemnation of hamas . i'm not seeing real condemnation of hamas. i'm hearing, you know, talk of the worry for the people who are dying in gaza. but i'm not hearing people really putting down hamas . putting down hamas. >> i'm very worried about it because what's happening, it's also happened on the trail by in the international court of justice. africa didn't justice. south africa didn't mention even once what happened in october seventh. they made a legitimacy that it's happened. and from there put israel and from there just put israel as a one side in this war. and there is no hamas. there is no other, uh, terror groups in gaza and around the world that been taking part in this in this war. and what worried and that's what worried me, because i'm and can because i'm sure. and i can guarantee about it, that israel haven't genocide in haven't done any genocide in gaza. more that, they gaza. and more than that, they haven't ever had any and haven't ever even had any and any means and goals to do it. and the people who just use it and chance this word like from

the river to the sea and many other words, this is just will increase hate around the increase the hate around the world. as i say, it will make it more wars will more likely that more wars will happen we call it as happen if we will not call it as it is . hamas is a terror group it is. hamas is a terror group organisation and they make a genocide at october seventh and they happy to do it again. and what we should do as a western country countries what we should do as a western coun'make countries what we should do as a western coun'make sure countries what we should do as a western coun'make sure it countries what we should do as a western coun'make sure it will:ountries is to make sure it will not happen will better happen because it will be better for the israeli people, better for the israeli people, better for palestinian people , and for the palestinian people, and better forever human people who just have freedom . um, just want to have freedom. um, and something that we and this is something that we don't gaza. don't have in gaza. >> thing >> well, the other thing i noficedis >> well, the other thing i noticed is that people seem to and condemn israel for and they condemn israel for bombing gaza, which, you know, but but they seem to never mention the fact that hamas are constantly bombing israel because you have the iron dome. >> yeah, we have the iron dome. and because israel is invested its money protecting its own its money in protecting its own civilians, we saw hundreds of miles of tunnels that been covered and many that was not covered and many that was not covered yet and was shown for the international community. and many channels visited it and

showed it around the world. and this is a tunnel in size of this is a tunnel in the size of london. uh, train system. and here i want to ask if hamas invested in the money in terror rather than investing it in the safe of its own people, in building schools building building schools and building hospitals, just in hospitals, and not just in building tunnels and investing in purchasing more in buying and purchasing more weapons and more missiles that will be shot to israel. gaza would be a heaven right now, but hamas decided brutally in the last 16 years to use every dollar they had, not forjust dollar they had, not for just the pockets of their leaders that sits in qatar and enjoy in a very luxury hotels. but for using it in buying and educating the people for hatred . and we the people for hatred. and we will be able to take hamas out hopefully one day. i hope we'll see a future that is better for the entire middle east. and that's what i hope someone that's what i hope is someone looks for the next decades. and how war. how will be after the war. i hope this will be a way that hope this war will be a way that the palestinian people will take out hamas from their leadership, but from protests and but from the protests and everything that's everything else, you say that's how but it doesn't how you see it, but it doesn't look like the palestinian

look to me like the palestinian people see it that way at all. >> they see their citizens dying. they see the place being bombed constantly. they hear the idf saying, go to this place . idf saying, go to this place. and then next day, no, that place is being bombed. and this is a tiny, tiny strip of land. so wondering how you so i'm just wondering how you propose seriously stop the propose to seriously stop the hamas when a lot of people are calling them an ideology? you can never stop ideology. >> and that's part of the problem. we saw it with isis also around the world. and but . also around the world. and but. we do been able and capable to stop hamas terror groups. and what i can share, and i hope that the people who go here in the in and would the streets in london and would like for that is to like to listen for that is to look educated look for what's been educated in the camps in the the hamas summer camps in the hamas schools and they are not aiming for their kids to go for the the best universities the for the best universities around world to become a around the world and to become a doctor or nurses, judges , they doctor or nurses, judges, they want a jihad. they want want to make a jihad. they want to kill as much as many jews and western around the world. western people around the world. this is the goal when they sit

in gaza. this is the this is their they are their goal. when they are controlling the gaza strip. so they can ignore and they they can ignore it and they decide is the one to decide that israel is the one to blame this situation. but blame for this situation. but actually . that want actually any person. that want to learn this situation and want to learn this situation and want to get for details, they don't have another other conclusion. rather than is terror rather than there is a terror group we should take them group and we should take them out strip . out from the gaza strip. >> well, listen, i've got i'm running out of time. but finally some people that october the some people say that october the 7th start of 7th wasn't really the start of it and this has actually it and that this has actually been on, for long been going on, uh, for a long time . and they would see israel time. and they would see israel as the aggressor as we saw it also by the un general director. >> he said that he said that the october was in a vacuum. october 7th was not in a vacuum. it a situation and it was a situation and a circumstance different circumstance for different events. point of view, events. and in my point of view, any person that make a legitimacy for this brutal attack is part of this attack , attack is part of this attack, is supporting it, is a sympathiser for a terror groups, and we can speak and i'm very open to speak for hours about what's happened in the history and how hopefully we can have one in middle one day a peace in the middle east. but while i do not like is people harm

people who try to harm themselves behind people did themselves behind people who did this brutal attack and filmed it on their gopros, went around the streets israel , and they were streets of israel, and they were very proud show on their very proud to show it on their social media. then day social media. and then the day after, just not ignoring after, they just not ignoring that haven't it. they that they haven't done it. they also making a also putting israel is making a genocide and this is the enemy that fighting a brutal that we are fighting a brutal enemy. and this is the people that i one will be out that i hope one day will be out of and we'll have of this war, and we'll have a safer live in and safer place to live in and that's why the protest tomorrow and calling again , 2:30 pm. and i'm calling again, 2:30 pm. tomorrow, square . tomorrow, trafalgar square. we're gather to mention we're going to gather to mention 100 since october 7th and 100 days since october 7th and hopefully for the release of the 100, more than 130 hostages still held by hamas and for better days in the middle east. that's what we hope for. >> yeah, well, listen, if they release they release the hostages and they stop firing, the bombs will that be the end of the war? i think that will be beginning of that will be the beginning of the they don't to >> but they they don't want to do to keep these do it. they want to keep these hostages want hostages and they want to continue shooting muscles in israel and making terror attacks. also in the gaza strip itself. and that's that's what's said about it. >> what is the nail?

said about it. >> what is the nail ? thank you >> what is the nail? thank you very talking to me. >> what is the nail? thank you very you. talking to me. >> what is the nail? thank you very you. andilking to me. >> what is the nail? thank you very you. and theig to me. >> what is the nail? thank you very you. and the marchers thank you. and the marchers tomorrow you can the tomorrow so you can join the pro—israel it's pro—israel march. but it's a march for ultimately march for peace. ultimately without sir al biram. he's the founder of and president of israel. right. well stay israel. is right. well stay tuned. just coming up to 22 minutes after 5:00 as labour unveil a host of measures including mental health wardens and teeth brushing clubs and schools. where where should we draw the line between the family and the state? but up next, it's time for the great british debate this hour, and i'm asking time for the great british dshould his hour, and i'm asking time for the great british dshould his keir, and i'm asking time for the great british dshould his keir starmer| asking time for the great british dshould his keir starmer be king , should sir keir starmer be held post held accountable for the post office

michael portillo, gb news. britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> good afternoon. 25 after five this is gb news. we are the people's channel i'm nana akua. welcome on board. if you've just tuned in. well there's so much to do today. but of course it's time now for the great british debate this hour. and asking debate this hour. and i'm asking should starmer be held should sir keir starmer be held accountable post office accountable for the post office scandal because going scandal? because in the on going debate surrounding the scandal, questions . have arisen about sir questions. have arisen about sir keir's accountability. the case was prosecuted during his tenure as the head of the crown prosecution service . reports prosecution service. reports indicate that 11 subpostmasters faced prosecution for fraud, theft and false accounting relating to the faulty horizon it system during starmer's time at the cpi or the cps, even whilst three cases resulted in

convictions . starmer asserts convictions. starmer asserts that he was unaware of any of these proceedings and the labour leader has faced backlash from conservative mp greg smith and nigel farage, stating that starmer must acknowledge his role and potentially apologise for any harm caused by false prosecutions . as many suggest, prosecutions. as many suggest, the leader of the lib dems , ed the leader of the lib dems, ed davey, should be held accountable. you know my thoughts , but who should be to thoughts, but who should be to blame for the great british debate hour? asking, debate this hour? i'm asking, should held should sir keir starmer be held accountable for post office accountable for the post office scandal? i'm joined now by scandal? so i'm joined now by roger former adviser to roger gewolb former adviser to the england, stephen the bank of england, stephen pound, former labour mp and widdecombe, former conservative minister and james price, research fellow at the centre for policy studies . research fellow at the centre for policy studies. i'm going to start with ann widdecombe, an. >> well, as far as i'm concerned , the heat should be on, not keir starmer but ed davey he was approached, he wrote back and refused a meeting actually saying in terms it wouldn't serve any useful purpose .

serve any useful purpose. >> so there is a very direct connection between him and what was going on. i think the keir starmer case is more debateable and i would want to hear more facts. i mean, if it really was only 11 people in the course of five years, he might not have noficed five years, he might not have noticed a pattern developed because the post office was prosecuting the vast majority , prosecuting the vast majority, not the cps. i don't know, i'd want to know a lot more before i pointed the finger at him, but i certainly point it very, very , certainly point it very, very, very ferociously at ed davey. and i don't want that message diluted. >> mhm. mhm. that's interesting . >> mhm. mhm. that's interesting. you say that i did a monologue earlier about that stephen pound i >> -- >> yeah. good evening. look the reality is people came to ed davey who was the minister in charge who was actually running the ship and said look we've got a problem here. and he said, no useful would be served useful purpose would be served by us meeting situation with by us meeting the situation with keir wholly and keir starmer is wholly and totally different. keir starmer is wholly and totally the crown prosecution service prepares the case and then passes through for

passes it through for prosecution. there's no way that that sir keir starmer could have picked up on every single case going through . going through. >> well say the >> you might as well say the queen's because it queen's responsible because it was the queen's courts. was done in the queen's courts. look, no look, the reality is there's no shortage here and shortage of scapegoats here and we all know who the villains are. >> we all know where the blame lies. and i to the lies. and i have to say, for the tories smear keir tories to try to smear keir starmer in this way, it's simply risible doesn't sense. risible. it doesn't make sense. he responsible for this. he wasn't responsible for this. he wasn't responsible for this. he may have been running, he may be the dpp, but wasn't be in the dpp, but he wasn't running public prosecutions running the public prosecutions completely cps. completely. that was the cps. >> look, i hate to be seen on >> so look, i hate to be seen on national television to agree entirely with ann widdecombe, but on this occasion, please allow so . allow me to do so. >> right. let's go to roger gewolb. roger. well well, i think both both of you have a point . point. >> there is a difference between the two cases. i think that ed davey's failed to meet and the fact that he was the minister for postal affairs. the buck stops there. i mean , i just stops there. i mean, ijust think it's so lame to say i was lied to. i didn't know. well,

you know, his job is to have even if it's through his lieutenants and minions, the facts about cases so that they don't make mistakes . and i think don't make mistakes. and i think to some extent to differ with you both. i think starmer is in a similar position because , you a similar position because, you know, if you look at this from a legal point of view, the cps was taking cases, said it to it by the post office, an . organised the post office, an. organised person allowed to conduct private prosecutions where were effectively bribes , commissions effectively bribes, commissions had been paid to uh, to ignore overwhelming evidence already well known, and it was handed to the cps. and i guess they didn't investigate it very well. and if starmer was running an organisation that operated like that, then he's certainly got some blame to carry, which ever case wasn't properly investigated . ed. investigated. ed.

>> mhm. well one day on some sort of commission or something if they people were prosecuted. well i mean some sort of favour of favouritism. yes it's good james bond. sorry james on james. yeah. >> well i mean adam smith said there's plenty of ruin in a nafion there's plenty of ruin in a nation and in this case there's plenty of to go plenty of blame to go around i think for, for all think for, for, for out of all of thinking that ed davey of us thinking that ed davey really way here on really is in a bad way here on this, seen lots of those this, i've seen lots of those sorts before sorts of letters before when, you i served in you know, when i served in government officials and civil servants you servants would come up to you and don't need and say, listen, you don't need to worry about this. >> problem all. the >> it's no problem at all. the people that say that are the people that say that are the people skin in the people who've got no skin in the game. they're going get fired. they're never >> they're never going to get in trouble. >> a problem trouble. >> it's a big problem with the way that a lot of the public sector works. >> always the >> i'm afraid it's always the scapegoat the who gets in scapegoat at the top who gets in trouble davey. scapegoat at the top who gets in trotthis davey. scapegoat at the top who gets in trotthis get fey. scapegoat at the top who gets in trotthis get him yet, but >> this might get him yet, but similarly, think for keir, similarly, i think for sir keir, it's here it's a bit of a problem here because he's to on because he's happy to play on his of public prosecutions. >> happy credit >> he's happy to take the credit for the good things and some for all the good things and some extent to then take extent you have to then take the criticism wrong. criticism when things go wrong. >> the >> and that's some of the problems that happen with the jimmy failure jimmy savile failure of prosecution there prosecution that happened there and again, no one saying and again, no one was saying

that personally failed do this. >> but he's going to take >> but if he's going to take the credit things an credit for good things that an organisation gets credit for good things that an orgtblame n gets credit for good things that an orgtblame for gets credit for good things that an orgtblame for the gets credit for good things that an orgtblame for the bad gets credit for good things that an orgtblame for the bad things as the blame for the bad things as well. mhm. >> ann, would m“ >> well, ann, what would you say to that's a good to that. because that's a good point . point. >> i mean it's perfectly fair to say that, you know the buck stops on the desk head of stops on the desk at the head of the organisation . uh but the organisation. uh but i'm just realistic . i want to just being realistic. i want to know how many cases there were, uh, that passed through . if uh, that passed through. if there were seriously only 11 in 5 years, it wouldn't necessarily have focussed its attention. but i'll tell you what does worry me. and that's this. the not of what was going on was actually throwing out . people were throwing out. people were becoming aware of this. uh, it was getting coverage. and at that point, you would think that the cps would say, well, hang on, you know, is this one of these cases where there's some doubt? no, it's not down to the cps to investigate the technology. uh, it's down to the cps to say, is there a realistic prospect of conviction? i'm afraid that's all they ever

asked. um, but i think at this stage where everybody knew, uh , stage where everybody knew, uh, that there were question marks being raised. yes, i mean, i think it's reasonable to say. keir starmer should, uh, at that stage , um, have perhaps asked stage, um, have perhaps asked questions, but i would need to know the facts. we do know the facts about ed davey . and i'm facts about ed davey. and i'm sorry. it's no good hiding behind the civil servants. i was a minister for, uh, for seven years. i couldn't hide behind my civil servant and say, oh, dear sir, you know, they told me it was all right. it was my duty to ask. but is it really all right? and ed davey didn't do that. clearly. >> no . well, listen, listen, i'm >> no. well, listen, listen, i'm running out of time, and i've got the, the right got to read the, uh, the right to from , uh, um, sir keir to reply from, uh, um, sir keir starmer. so roger gewolb, thank you much. adviser to you very much. former adviser to the of england, stephen the bank of england, stephen pound, former labour mp ann widdecombe, former conservative minister and james price, research . now a research fellow. now a spokesperson sir keir spokesperson for sir keir starmer had this to about starmer had this to say about his time at the cps in relation

to the post office scandal . to the post office scandal. well, time as chief well, during his time as chief prosecutor, no cases relating to honzon prosecutor, no cases relating to horizon were brought to his desk. the scandal that has emerged is one of the worst miscarriages of justice in british history, and labour has been calling for swift exoneration and compensation for the victims. it's vital that all action is taken to right these wrongs. labour's focus is on playing our part in making sure this injustice is never repeated . 33 minutes after 5:00 this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. still to come, we'll continue with the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, starmer asking, should sir keir starmer be the post be held accountable for the post office we'll hear the office scandal? we'll hear the thoughts broadcast thoughts of my panel broadcast from cundy. from columnist lizzie cundy. also, former labour adviser matthew first, let's also, former labour adviser matyour first, let's also, former labour adviser matyour latest first, let's also, former labour adviser matyour latest headlines et's also, former labour adviser matyour latest headlines .t's also, former labour adviser matyour latest headlines. nana get your latest headlines. nana think your top stories from the gb newsroom. >> three people have been arrested under the terrorism act, suspected of showing

support for a proscribed organisation when they were detained during the pro—palestinian rally, which has seen thousands of people marching through central london. the demonstration was part of a global day of action involving 30 countries calling for a ceasefire in gaza. police also arrested two people for carrying offensive placards . yemen's . offensive placards. yemen's. houthi rebels have promised a strong and effective response following a fresh strike by the united states . the us says it united states. the us says it was a follow up to a joint uk mission targeting houthi positions . the west is trying to positions. the west is trying to stop the iranian backed group from attacking ships in the red sea. president joe biden confirmed a private message was delivered to tehran, making it clear the us is well . prepared clear the us is well. prepared former postmistress yvonne tracy, who plans to run against sir ed davey at the next general election, says he must be brought to justice. the lib dem leader was the postal affairs minister during the horizon. it scandal, but has refused to

apologise or take accountability for his inaction. hundreds of staff were wrongly prosecuted after faulty software led to shortfalls in their accounts. sir ed says he was lied to by the post office on an industrial scale . around 150 migrants have scale. around 150 migrants have been intercepted in the english channel been intercepted in the english channel, ending the extended pause in crossings on board three small boats. they're the first to make the treacherous journey since the 16th of december, the longest period without any migrant arrivals for almost four years. it's thought bad weather may have prevented more people from crossing over the past few days . for more more people from crossing over the past few days. for more on all of those stories, you can visit our website gb news.com. now it's back to . nana. now it's back to. nana. >> thank you tatiana . coming up >> thank you tatiana. coming up as labour's wes streeting unveils a raft of measures to create the healthiest generation of children ever, i'll be asking

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starmer be held accountable for the scandal? as the post office scandal? as reports revealed that 11 subpostmasters faced prosecution for fraud during his time as head of the crown prosecution service, despite three convictions, starmer complains and claims sorry that he was unaware either of these proceedings and critics , proceedings and critics, including conservative mp greg smith and nigel farage, argue that starmer must acknowledge his role and potentially apologise for the harm caused for the false prosecutions. so for the false prosecutions. so for the false prosecutions. so for the british debate this houn for the british debate this hour, i'm asking should sir keir starmer be held accountable for the post office scandal? well let's see what my panel maker that i'm joined by, broadcaster . that i'm joined by, broadcaster. and columnist lizzie cundy, also former labour party adviser matthew laza matthew. lalla, i'll come to you first. >> yeah. so look, as we've heard as discussing earlier, as we were discussing earlier, there people who as we were discussing earlier, there to people who as we were discussing earlier, there to held people who as we were discussing earlier, there to held to ople who as we were discussing earlier, there to held to accountable need to be held to accountable on there a on this. and if there was a serious keir, serious case against keir, although i would although i'm a keir fan, i would acknowledge but there were acknowledge that. but there were 4 cases in the crown 4 million cases in the crown prosecution service , and of prosecution service, and of those three in his watch

resulted in a trial. and i think only one of them was actually a conviction, i think so. so that is 0.0, nought, nought, nought seven, five, nought, nought, 0% of the cases that came through the came through his, his um came across his death came across the cps, they obviously they didn't reach his desk. he didn't know about them. there were others who should have been asking questions because that were others who should have been aski the|uestions because that were others who should have been aski the post ons because that were others who should have been aski the post office, cause that were others who should have been aski the post office, cause part were others who should have been as their post office, cause part were others who should have been as their job.t office, cause part were others who should have been as their job. this:e, cause part were others who should have been as their job. this wasiuse part of their job. this was obviously these were obviously these cases were obviously a minuscule part of million minuscule part of the 4 million cases so we cases that happened. so we wouldn't have known about them. >> but is no evidence >> yeah, but this is no evidence that knew. no, no, but this that he knew. no, no, but this is the office, right? is the post office, right? so this is like a state organisation that was run by, you know, like almost a government here run by government body here run by civil servants. and, you know, this is an actual organisation and people are being prosecuted. and there are an really unacceptable number of people being brought forward , over 700 people. >> yeah. so of the 700 people, they were only three of them were the cps. the others were through, the others were private prosecution was taken by the

post, which has its power. so he wasn't able he couldn't have intervened in those because that wasn't he wasn't in his. he was he was directing that directing the prosecutions that the , as in the the government took, as in the you the crown prosecution you know, the crown prosecution service, know, the vast service, the you know, the vast majority are majority of prosecutions are taken cps, but taken through the cps, but engush taken through the cps, but english law, english welsh english law, english and welsh law these private law allows these private prosecutions, which the post office does, the rspca does them as and they're nothing to as well. and they're nothing to do with the cps. so on this one, he hasn't got he hasn't got a case all 12 case to answer. all those 12 post office have post office ministers have matthew. >> matthew, matthew, come on, let's a reality check here. let's have a reality check here. are you telling me keir starmer, who prosecutor . he is who was chief prosecutor. he is at top. yes he was walking at the top. yes he was walking around so he doesn't read 4 million case files. he was walking around like sleepwalking , knowing anything, not , not knowing anything, not looking at any reports, not listening to any advisers. he was totally unaware. do you think i've fallen off a banana boat? i'm so sorry, matthew. you are so wrong . because let me are so wrong. because let me tell you something now , keir tell you something now, keir starmer, through this, there are 33 deaths with people that had died not knowing that, you know , died not knowing that, you know, they were thinking, you know, being told were guilty if

being told they were guilty if he them. he wasn't responsible for them. >> there was bankruptcy. >> there was bankruptcy. >> livelihoods , people >> people's livelihoods, people put prison are still in put in prison that are still in prison today. matthew it is absolutely awful. three suicides. no, the horizon scandals . scandals. >> terrible. >> terrible. >> but it's not starmer. nothing thatis >> but it's not starmer. nothing that is absolutely. he didn't. >> he was responsible the >> he was responsible for the organisation . organisation. >> he hasn't got a leg to stand on. was he's like a human on. he was he's like a human billboard. he thinks he's like one wise monkeys , one of the three wise monkeys, you evil, hear no evil. >> but he didn't because he didn't files. there were didn't see the files. there were 4 cases. no, no . 4 million cases. no, no. >> come on. »- >> come on. >> no, listen, look on other things. >> they're not pulling the wool over our eyes, but don't know. over our eyes, but i don't know. >> pull >> i'm not trying to pull the wool anybody's there >> i'm not trying to pull the wool 4 anybody's there >> i'm not trying to pull the wool 4 million ody's there >> i'm not trying to pull the wool 4 million cases. there >> i'm not trying to pull the wool 4 million cases. three here >> i'm not trying to pull the wool 4 million cases. three ofre were 4 million cases. three of them taken through cps . them were taken through the cps. so three of the three cases for the post out 4 the post office out of 4 million, the other all the other horrific we've heard horrific cases that we've heard were nothing to do with the cps, that he wasn't the prime that kieran, he wasn't the prime minister, post minister, he wasn't the post affairs minister, he wasn't running they're running the post office. they're the responsible. they're the people responsible. they're the people, quite rightly, who are to account. are being held to account. >> telling me >> so you're telling me he didn't it? wasn't. didn't know about it? he wasn't. he looked into it. he didn't never looked into it. but this what i am. but this is what i am. >> yeah this was quite

>> yeah, but this was quite i mean, was it becoming quite mean, was it not becoming quite a public thing that there were people who had been prosecuted and there was something dodgy going on, were now aware going on, and we were now aware that right? that something wasn't right? >> because >> i think most of those because because he stopped being director prosecutions director of public prosecutions in 2003 most of the it was in 2003 and most of the it was 2004, 2005 that it particularly so, so sorry. so 2013, 2014 and 2015. sorry i'm getting getting my you know, so he stopped two years before he became an mp . so years before he became an mp. so it was it was the cases were just coming to a thing. and that's when the government decided set the in decided to set up the inquiry in 2020. the in the 2020. so it was in the in the late 2010s. well let's see very quickly, quickly quickly, very quickly he parachuted position parachuted into this position by tony . blair tony blair and cherie. blair didn't he. >> and tony blair apparently knew all about this horizon scandal. so we don't know that they're they're they're not here, but they're not they're not here to speak for >> they're not here to speak for themselves. the memos you're themselves. the memos are you're saying saying saying that, but they are saying that i think well, that i, i think well, well, maybe, but but they're not here to and to defend themselves. and there's of there's no actual evidence of that. if it was, then that. if they if it was, then they would here right now to they would be here right now to having knew about they would be here right now to havithe knew about they would be here right now to havithe computer knew about they would be here right now to havithe computer system. bout was the computer system. >> which shows nothing . sorry.

>> which shows nothing. sorry. >> which shows nothing. sorry. >> about was the >> all they knew about was the problems of the computer system, which memo. didn't which is in a memo. they didn't know scandal. know about the scandal. >> listen , this is >> okay. so listen, this is nothing and your nothing without you and your views. great nothing without you and your views. voices great nothing without you and your views. voices onto great nothing without you and your views. voices onto the great nothing without you and your views. voices onto the show. at british voices onto the show. there us british voices onto the show. therethey us british voices onto the show. therethey really us british voices onto the show. therethey really about the what they really think about the topics i've topics we're discussing. i've got going to got three of them. i'm going to start in start with julie ford in bedford. i've got four, bedford. oh i've got four, actually. , what do actually. julie ford, what do you think ? you think? >> hi, nana. um, i have to say, i'm not a keir starmer fan by any stretch of the imagination, but i don't actually he but i don't actually think he can responsible for can be held responsible for this. his role as the, um, chief prosecutor. yeah absolutely. he is in charge of the cps. but as, um, matthew has already mentioned, he would have had hundreds and thousands of cases come across his desk . it's not come across his desk. it's not possible for him to identify trends. the crown prosecution service's job is to make sure there is a case to prosecute . there is a case to prosecute. but is there evidence? is there enough evidence? and then it's the judge's decision at the end of the day to decide who actually as long actually gets convicted as long as there was evidence that tick box exercise would have been done by keir, and then it would

have judges. so you have been the judges. so you know, should judges be the know, should the judges be the ones to apologise for actually convicting these people? >> . well let's go to >> um, yeah. well let's go to jonathan jones. he's there in cornwall. jonathan. hi nana. >> i thought you did a great monologue earlier on. i reckon next saturday you'll have enough evidence on circuits . do one on evidence on circuits. do one on him. but, you know, sir keir is a clever man the a clever chap, man of the people, holding mug people, always out holding a mug of know, doing people, always out holding a mug of right know, doing people, always out holding a mug of right things. (now, doing people, always out holding a mug of right things. but/, doing people, always out holding a mug of right things. but isioing people, always out holding a mug of right things. but is iting people, always out holding a mug of right things. but is it good the right things. but is it good enough him to he didn't enough for him to say he didn't do what telling us what >> what about telling us what he did to help? >> wasn't a top job there. >> he wasn't a top job there. >> he wasn't a top job there. >> i think these politicians >> and i think these politicians need tell us what more could need to tell us what more could they done to actually they have done to actually help when such a loss of when there's such a loss of confidence in the whole system? >> i just feel that >> mhm. yeah. i just feel that when, when bad happens they run away, they scuttle away. but when it's good they wait when it's good they can't wait to they're to tell you that they're the ones responsible. jacqui ones who are responsible. jacqui sampson saint albans. jacqui. sampson in saint albans. jacqui. yeah actually agree with what yeah i actually agree with what you just said. >> like the other lady has >> and like the other lady has said , um, he can't bear the said, um, he can't bear the whole responsibility for it. >> and we don't know whether he knew much he knew, but he

knew how much he knew, but he was the head at the helm of that organisation. >> so just like nigel farage has said , he has to acknowledge his said, he has to acknowledge his role in it and not just be there for the credits of that organisation , but have something organisation, but have something to say and have some accountability for the time he was there. well, i thought was really interesting is whenever the cps has come into question over savile grooming gangs , keir over savile grooming gangs, keir starmer name always comes up. >> i'll just leave that there and, well, yeah , well, i hear you. >> obviously there's no no suggestion that he's responsible for any of that, but his name does seem to be arising in those situations. brian doogan in solihull brian nana, how are you? >> um, i agree with matthew nana. >> um, i, i don't think that keir starmer has accountability on this matter for, uh, a handful of cases came through the cps at that time. >> and as matthew quite rightly points out , >> and as matthew quite rightly points out, uh, keir starmer is not across all those cases.

there's millions of cases, uh, and in his role at that time, he wouldn't have, uh, he wouldn't have encountered this. >> and he has said so. >> and he has said so. >> and, and look, i think this is actually , uh, kind of is actually, uh, kind of distorting the picture and deflecting from something like ed davey who's, who's interviewed . interviewed. >> well, no, no, we haven't left ed davey alone . we just started ed davey alone. we just started on we've only just on him. now we've only just started on. but we hear you . started on. but we hear you. we're running of we're running out of time, brian. but it's always a pleasure . brian doogan in pleasure. brian doogan in solihull, judy ford bedford, solihull, judy ford in bedford, jonathan and jonathan jones in cornwall and jackie sampson was my great british thank you so british voices. thank you so much . right. well, much. right. well, this is a quick story that my eye. quick story that caught my eye. wes streeting party wes streeting the labour party have health have unveiled their new health plan for children, and aim plan for children, and their aim is healthiest is to create the healthiest generation ever have generation of children ever have a listen. we'll put dedicated mental health support in every primary and secondary school in the country, support children's wellbeing . wellbeing. >> we'll introduce supervised toothbrushing for children aged between 3 and 5 to stop tooth decay. >> seeing so many kids ending up admitted to hospital, we'll ban

the targeting of junk food to children. >> that's fuelling the childhood obesity crisis. >> will ban the irresponsible marketing of vapes that's addicting. >> a generation of kids to nicotine. we'll end long waits in the nhs by providing 2 million more appointments a year to cut waiting lists and to make sure that children start the day with hungry minds, not hungry bellies . bellies. >> we'll introduce nutritious breakfast clubs in every primary school in the country. >> that's labour's childhood health plan . health plan. >> yes, perhaps you'd consider having maybe some more nurseries and stuff like that as well, or helping families with that. but anyway, let's see what lizzie cundy and also matthew laza think of that might well , we think of that might well, we have wars going on, high cost of living, the postal scandal. >> but no, keir starmer wants to talk about brushing our teeth, doesn't he? i mean, this is the nanny state on another level i would suggest to starmer is his ability as a leader that's decaying , not the teeth. and decaying, not the teeth. and i think this is going to cost the

government 9 million to do this. don't the teachers have enough? i mean, they've got to look at actual pupils coming into the classroom . classroom. >> clearly, labour has positions on issues like the wall. on big issues like the wall. >> please. >> please. >> clearly labour has positions on, range on, on on a whole range of things. you know, on international affairs. but this is know is so important. did you know that tooth decay the that that tooth decay is the number cause of children number one cause of children emergency admissions to hospitals? so , you hospitals? yes, i did so, you know, got to sort out. know, we've got to sort it out. i taught to primary i was taught i went to primary school, school in school, state primary school in tory run, hertfordshire in the 19805, tory run, hertfordshire in the 1980s, and were shown to 1980s, and we were shown how to clean then and given a clean our teeth then and given a free, free tub of colgate . it's free, free tub of colgate. it's not revolutionary. it's sent common sense young common sense to help young people get into the habit of matthew. >> this is a gimmick. it's a pr exercise, ultimately save money. >> good. save money. >> good. save money. >> keep arguing. >> keep arguing. >> it could save lives, right now it's time for the quick fire quiz. part of the show where quiz. the part of the show where i my panel of the i test my panel on some of the other stories the other stories hitting the headunes other stories hitting the headlines joining headlines right now. joining me broadcast columnist lizzie cundy. your buzzer, please, lizzie. former labour lizzie. and also former labour adviser matthew laza your buzzer right. play along at right. please play along at home. question one what recent

decision by the us has created a significant impact on the crypto currency market? is it a approval of stricter regulations for crypto exchanges? b authorisation of the first us listed bitcoin exchange traded funds known as etfs ? or is it funds known as etfs? or is it c complicit in position of a ban on all crypto transactions? oh good luck with that one. matthew laza. >> who's b etfs? bitcoin etfs being you know this it is b. >> let's say something different. it is b. it is b. it is in fact b authorisation of the first us listed bitcoin exchange traded funds. that's meaning crypto is seen as a security . wow i don't know what security. wow i don't know what any of that means. i don't get cryptocurrency . question two cryptocurrency. question two true or false ? a teenage boy has true or false? a teenage boy has become the first person to beat the game tetris . but is this the game tetris. but is this true or false that only i computers have reached the game's full ending ? lizzie cundy game's full ending? lizzie cundy true, it's true. false. well you did, i did actually. yeah. cool.

the answer is it's true . yes. the answer is it's true. yes. until willie gibson's recent accomplishment, only ai computers had reached tetris. true ending . wow. i never true ending. wow. i never thought that could end . it can. thought that could end. it can. question three closest answer wins following the horizon scandal. the post office could face a huge tax bill over victims payouts. but how much? matthew laza 100 million. 100 million. lizzie cundy i'm going to say two 200 million. i think it's going to be more than that. no, it's 100 it's going to be more than that. no, it's100 million. nothing >> a great man called dan needle is friend mine's been is an old friend of mine's been doing on it. it's doing the research on it. it's really public really good public service. >> few out there. >> i was only a few out there. >> i was only a few out there. >> listen, post office >> well, listen, the post office could be facing. were you a double? you double. could double? you went double. could be after claiming be facing this. after claiming tax compensation tax relief for its compensation payments to subpostmasters. yes. they have questioned they shouldn't have questioned for a ten year old girl has been given a year's supply of her favourite crisps after she campaigned to them back . but campaigned to get them back. but what flavour was it? was it a smoky bacon scampi or smoky bacon b scampi fries or c haggis and black pepper ? haggis and black pepper? >> i hadn't finished yes, lizzie

, lizzie cundy. >> oh , what is it? >> oh, what is it? >> oh, what is it? >> i know c haggis in black pepper and b you're going b it's c actually you're wrong anyway give me that. >> but because c matthew laza got it right it's two all. >> i'm on a roll today. >> i'm on a roll today. >> no it's two all you're known. >> no it's two all you're known. >> it's three one. >> no it's three one. >> no it's three one. >> two. it's withdraw. >> it's two. it's withdraw. >> it's two. it's withdraw. >> a draw. sorry about >> you're on a draw. sorry about that yes . the that matthew. haha yes. the managing director of taylor's snacks was asked for the favourite to return. right? question five a remote welsh island is paying people to live and work there. bear in mind that they are limited electricity . how much are people electricity. how much are people paying electricity. how much are people paying ? how much are they paying paying? how much are they paying people per hour ? is it a £11.44 people per hour? is it a £11.44 b £25 or c £40? lizzie cundy a £11.44 matthew laza b 25. it's actually a £11.44. what is the rear? is that fair , do you rear? is that fair, do you think. was that fair wage. so yes or no? then get on with it. yes okay. right on today's show i've been asking was rishi right to join america in the strikes

on the houthis? according to our twitter poll, 66.5% of you say yes . 33.5% of you say no. well yes. 33.5% of you say no. well a huge thank you to my panel, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. >> thank you. nana. >> thank you. nana. >> that's all right. >> thank you. nana. >> that's all right . and former >> that's all right. and former labour adviser matthew laza great fun as always. thank you so thank you to you at so much. and thank you to you at home joining me. now don't home forjoining me. now don't forget join me at 3:00. i'll forget to join me at 3:00. i'll be joining by. have got be joining by. have i got christine ? christine christine christine? christine christine i'm danny. yeah say that i'll leave with the . weather. leave you with the. weather. >> looks like things are heating up. boxed boilers. sponsors of weather on gb news . weather on gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here of your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office . a bit of a mixed met office. a bit of a mixed picture out there for saturday. quite cloudy across quite cloudy skies across southern areas of england and wales, few brighter breaks wales, but a few brighter breaks for northern ireland, for areas of northern ireland, northern the northern england to end off the day . some patchy light outbreaks day. some patchy light outbreaks of rain and drizzle as well, but

most dry into this most of us staying dry into this overnight of those overnight period. some of those clearer will allow clearer spells around will allow for some frost to develop overnight, mist for some frost to develop overfogit, mist for some frost to develop overfog patches. mist for some frost to develop overfog patches. temperatures;t and fog patches. temperatures though, where you hold on to the cloud be just above cloud will be just above freezing. our towns freezing. many of our towns and cities around 1 or 2 c still quite cloudy into sunday as well for wales. central, southern areas of england again can't rule out some odd spots of light rain and drizzle . a few brighter rain and drizzle. a few brighter breaks trying to poke way breaks trying to poke their way through ireland, breaks trying to poke their way through england, ireland, breaks trying to poke their way through england, areas.and, northern england, areas of scotland as well. showers, northern england, areas of scotlan streaming showers, northern england, areas of scotlan streaming into vers, northern england, areas of scotlan streaming into the far though streaming into the far north of scotland, are going to be falling as snow even lower be falling as snow even to lower levels, bringing of ice levels, bringing the risk of ice on surfaces . some very on untreated surfaces. some very strong across shetland, strong winds across shetland, the northern isles as well severe gales bringing the risk of drifting snow times of drifting snow around at times . wind, it's . and in that strong wind, it's going feeling very going to be feeling very raw indeed. cold air that is indeed. that cold air that is streaming out of the arctic is slowly its way slowly going to push its way across uk, across all areas of the uk, so you can those colours you can see those blue colours covering areas the covering all areas of the country as we head into monday. snow showers continuing push snow showers continuing to push in the north, primarily in from the north, primarily affecting but affecting northern scotland but also now pushing into northern ireland. and we might few

ireland. and we might see a few skirting the far of wales, skirting the far west of wales, england, parts england, as well as parts of humberside england, as well as parts of humbe inland, though monday further inland, though monday looks like quite a bright and sunny all, and sunny day but cold for all, and that theme continuing that cold theme is continuing right week . right throughout next week. >> warm feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boiler as sponsors of weather on

chin, who was one of the first politicians to raise the alarm about the post office scandal that saw hundreds of subpostmasters wrongly convicted and imprisoned for fraud. he's bringing with him michael rudkin, who ran the ibstock post office. he and his wife lost theirjobs office. he and his wife lost their jobs and were forced to turn their home into a b&b just to pay the bills. they now want to pay the bills. they now want to know who will be held to account for more than a decade of false incriminate and humiliation. and finally, farmers are blocking highways with trucks and tractors in parts of germany in a week of protests against the german government's budget plans . but government's budget plans. but we'll be asking why are they so angry? all of that and lots of chat with our regular panellist andrew eborn . but first, an andrew eborn. but first, an update on the latest