chin, who was one of the first politicians to raise the alarm about the post office scandal that saw hundreds of subpostmasters wrongly convicted and imprisoned for fraud. he's bringing with him michael rudkin, who ran the ibstock post office. he and his wife lost theirjobs office. he and his wife lost their jobs and were forced to turn their home into a b&b just to pay the bills. they now want to pay the bills. they now want to know who will be held to account for more than a decade of false incriminate and humiliation. and finally, farmers are blocking highways with trucks and tractors in parts of germany in a week of protests against the german government's budget plans . but government's budget plans. but we'll be asking why are they so angry? all of that and lots of chat with our regular panellist andrew eborn . but first, an andrew eborn. but first, an update on the latest news

headunes update on the latest news headlines from tatiana sanchez as . as. >> neil, thank your top stories from the gb newsroom. three people have been arrested under the terrorism act. suspected of showing support for a proscribed organisation. they were detained dunng organisation. they were detained during the pro—palestinian rally , which saw thousands of people marching through central london. police also arrested two people for carrying offensive placards , for carrying offensive placards, as protesters explained why it was important to take part . was important to take part. >> well, i'd been killed . 30,000 >> well, i'd been killed. 30,000 and more are being killed , kids and more are being killed, kids are being killed and no one is doing anything towards it. so we are asking the government instead of supporting this, to stop it, make our voices heard against what's going on. >> you know, the government's inaction. >> no one is happy, you know , >> no one is happy, you know, that's why we see many people so against what's been happening between palestine and israel. you know, this is at least we

can do to support the people. and i feel so passionately about it. >> and i don't see enough people standing up and saying no to this . so i standing up and saying no to this. so i just felt i had to be here. >> what's happening is atrocious. there's too many war crimes, international war crimes being committed , so no one's being committed, so no one's saying anything . saying anything. >> yemen's houthi rebels have promised a strong and effective response following a fresh strike by the united states. the us says it was a follow up to a joint uk mission targeting houthi positions. the west is trying to stop the iranian backed group from attacking ships in the red sea. president joe biden confirmed a private message was delivered to tehran, making it clear the us is well prepared, said military analyst sean bell says america's strike was strategic , focusing on a was strategic, focusing on a specific site . specific site. >> the us unilaterally did the strike last night. its either that following yesterday , the that following yesterday, the houthis launched another missile almost as a an act of petulance, and it looks either in response

to that the us has struck this radar site or after the strikes on thursday night, battle damage assessment, they will have looked and said, ah , one of the looked and said, ah, one of the radar sites is still survive the attack and therefore they decided to use uss carney to use another tomahawk missile to actually take it out. it does seem to be a very surgical, measured response and it is a unilateral response. last night, a former postmistress who's planning to run against sarah ed davey at the next general election says he must be brought to justice. >> the lib dem leader was postal affairs minister during the honzon affairs minister during the horizon scandal, but has horizon it scandal, but has refused to apologise or take any accountability for his inaction. hundreds of staff were wrongly prosecuted after faulty software led to shortfalls in subpostmasters accounts . sir ed subpostmasters accounts. sir ed says he was lied to by the post office on an industrial scale. speaking exclusively to gb news, yvonne tracy says she felt compelled to take a stand. >> i would have loved it if we could have got a subpostmaster who'd been affected by this to

stand against ed davey , but i stand against ed davey, but i can understand that probably there confidence is not and they probably are fed up to death with the government, etc. so i thought it's going to be me. i'm reluctantly doing it, but i feel ihave reluctantly doing it, but i feel i have to do something and this is all i can do. i think he should be brought to account. >> meanwhile, tax experts suggest the post office could be facing insolvency for failing to pay up facing insolvency for failing to pay up to £100 million in tax. they say the company claimed £934 million tax relief on compensation paid to branch managers caught up in the honzon managers caught up in the horizon scandal . tax policy horizon scandal. tax policy associates the non—profit organisation, has described the practice as outrageous and potentially unlawful . the post potentially unlawful. the post office says its financial information is appropriate and accurate . around 150 migrants accurate. around 150 migrants have been intercepted in the channel have been intercepted in the channel, ending the extended pause in crossings on board three small boats. they're the first to make the treacherous

journey since the 16th of december, the longest period without any migrant arrivals for almost four years. it's thought bad weather may have prevented more people from crossing the channel over the past few weeks , channel over the past few weeks, and parts of the uk are bracing for an arctic blast with more snow and subzero temperatures on the way . yellow weather warnings the way. yellow weather warnings for north of for much of the north of scotland force at scotland come into force at midnight , scotland come into force at midnight, and temperatures are expected to as low as expected to fall to as low as minus degrees . the met minus five degrees. the met office says the conditions could cause some disruption to travel. those are your top stories on gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to . neil play gb news. now back to. neil >> seeing that the lunatics have taken over the asylum used to be a joke. now it's our day to day reality. the british regime and i phrase it that way

deliberately, to take account of the fact that the rot goes much deeper than the government. deeper than just the government. those . sock puppets those empty. sock puppets playing the parts of elected representatives took the decision last week to bomb yemen. it goes without saying nowadays that we, the british people , were consulted in people, were not consulted in advance , far less our blessing advance, far less our blessing sought for the making of more war on more people we don't know , without any recourse to parliament, that hollow charade supposedly comprising those sent by to us do our bidding and so take care of our best interests. hahaha what nonsense! but which in reality is a mob of self—serving frauds who if integrity was dynamite, couldn't blow their own noses without consulting that confederacy of dunces unelected prime minister rishi sunak and unelected foreign secretary david cameron and the rest of the goons dispatched warplanes to yemen in our name as , according to our our name as, according to our government's own website. quote on 11th of january, royal air force aircraft joined coalition forces in striking a number of

facilities used by the houthi rebel faction in yemen to attack shipping in the southern red sea. end quote . thanks for sea. end quote. thanks for telling us, lads. all encompassing war in the middle east. anyone and so, in addition to helping . underwrite the to helping. underwrite the slaughter of generations of ukrainian men and boys in the name of non—existent democracy and creeping nato expansion and the carpet bombing of babies and the carpet bombing of babies and the rest of the civilian population of gaza, our taxes, the nations wealth as yet unearned and only added to the himalayan mountain of debt, is being spent. you might say , being spent. you might say, securing the red sea. the red sea is more than 3000 miles from london. raf aircraft are dropping bombs on people there to help secure that waterway . to help secure that waterway. and yet the british regime is incapable or rather prohibited from securing the english channel that you can practically see from the roof of the palace of westminster. for that's what we supposedly pay our taxes for.

remember at least in part, the security of our borders. i shouldn't need to say i'm not here calling for the bombing of the channel, but in this time of lunacy, i will make clear i don't think it's too much to ask for a bit of effort to maintain a border . but for a bit of effort to maintain a border. but while our unelected , self promoted unelected, self promoted self—described leaders rub their hands with glee at the prospect of further investing in the dividends payable by the military industrial complex, the southern approaches to the united kingdom are spread wide for the pleasure of all comers. roll up, roll . for the pleasure of all comers. roll up, roll. up, for the pleasure of all comers. roll up, roll . up, get your roll up, roll. up, get your british taxpayer funded free life here and help yourselves to whatever catches your eye while you're at it. like us, the citizens of the us have no meaningful southern border. millions of new have millions of new people have arrived years . new arrived in recent years. new york mayor eric adams , who york city mayor eric adams, who declared big apple declared the big apple a sanctuary state for immigrants cheerfully enough , now says it cheerfully enough, now says it will cost $12 billion to house and care for the tens of thousands flooding the streets for the next three years. he

said. this year, new york must spend $5 billion on its immigrants, more than it spends on police, fire and sanitation combined. those on the move are victims to . it's the decisions victims to. it's the decisions by our so—called leaders to repeatedly bomb the middle east, iraq, afghanistan, libya, syria and on and on and on. provoked the millions into moving elsewhere , including here. is it elsewhere, including here. is it a deliberate flooding of the west or a deliberate, destabilising of the west, or just the by—product of greed and corruption ? i said at the top, corruption? i said at the top, the lunatics have taken over, but at best they're lunatics, because if it's not madness that drives them to drive the rest of us off a cliff, then it must be pure and simple badness. us off a cliff, then it must be pure and simple badness . there's pure and simple badness. there's hardly a soul in authority is prepared to talk about the excess dying every moment of every day here and in countries all around the world, 100,000 extra dead in the united kingdom since january 2022, 30,000 more than all the british civilians killed in six years of world war

ii. and yet the official silence on the matter blows like tumbleweed down the corridors of power. and while young people drop dead and otherwise healthy people of all ages are harvested in hitherto unheard of numbers by heart disease and turbo cancen by heart disease and turbo cancer. our old friend pfizer has been spending some of its recently acquired massive wealth buying companies that develop drugs to treat heart disease and turbo cancer . i drugs to treat heart disease and turbo cancer. i don't drugs to treat heart disease and turbo cancer . i don't know about turbo cancer. i don't know about you, but until just a few months ago, i'd never heard of turbo cancen ago, i'd never heard of turbo cancer. for me, the c word alone had always been scary enough for cylinder five gear kind of cancer. cylinder five gear kind of cancer . were already capable of cancer. were already capable of moving at lethal speed all of a sudden. now though, we've got turbo cancer fuel injected. maybe with a bottle of nitrous oxide on the side for that sudden, terrifying burst of speed across the line to unexpected death . and dear old unexpected death. and dear old albert bourla, multi—millionaire boss of big pharma giant pfizer that made billions pushing

something they called a vaccine . something they called a vaccine. but that was actually a gene therapy . he boasts now about his therapy. he boasts now about his company spending $43 billion to snap up ken , a small outfit snap up ken, a small outfit specialising in treating turbo cancers , making pfizer overnight cancers, making pfizer overnight the unchallenged global leader in cancer treatment. bob adler has been all over the media predicting turbo cancers will affect a third of the world in the years ahead, even declaring that entire families will be affected. no one asks him why. obviously just a new fact of life. he delights in informing us that pfizer will be able to produce ken's drugs at unprecedented scale, much like it was able to do with those mrna based injectables during the so—called pandemic. mrna based injectables during the so—called pandemic . pfizer the so—called pandemic. pfizer have also spent more billions snapping up arena pharmaceuticals, another small company that specialises in treatments for immuno inflammatory diseases, including myocarditis. the condition that

has, oddly enough, in the past few years stopped the hearts of an unprecedented number of otherwise fit and healthy youngsters , including elite youngsters, including elite sports people on the field of play. quote we're excited to add the impressive experience and pipeline of arena pharmaceutic to pfizer's inflammation and immunology therapeutic area , immunology therapeutic area, helping us further our purpose of developing breakthroughs to change the lives of those with immuno inflammatory diseases, said mike gladstone, global president and general manager of pfizer inflammation and immunology . pfizer inflammation and immunology. the pfizer inflammation and immunology . the southern borders immunology. the southern borders of the uk and the united states lie undefended millions of citizens spend sleepless nights fearful about the future, about paying fearful about the future, about paying bills, heating their homes and feeding their children. and yet , homes and feeding their children. and yet, in homes and feeding their children. and yet , in another children. and yet, in another stunt at our expense, prime minister rishi sunak skips out of beleaguered and broken britain to hug fellow homunculus, ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy and hand him

another £2.5 billion. we haven't even had the chance to earn yet . even had the chance to earn yet. quote. our support cannot and will not falter, he declares . will not falter, he declares. britain is with you for as long as it takes. open brackets . as it takes. open brackets. regardless of how many british lives must lie in tatters or cold in the ground on account of my unwilling and unasked for and unwant ed contribution to the state of the nation . in close state of the nation. in close brackets . if insanity is as brackets. if insanity is as albert einstein said, endlessly repeating the same action in expectation of a different outcome, then the british electorate is collectively as mad as a cut snake for continuous trusting more of the same politicians to care a jot whether we live or die far less . whether we live or die far less. to act at anything approaching our best interests. the madness is all around the world. the scaffolding of is scaffolding of nations is buckling under the weight of the lunacy wickedness lunacy and the wickedness of those .in lunacy and the wickedness of those . in germany, those in charge. in germany, thousands upon thousands of farmers and other citizens have gathered to protest the spending of their taxes on endless wars,

while those tasked with feeding the nation cannot afford to buy fuel for tractors. instead of admitting mistakes, german politicians fall back on more name calling, politicians fall back on more name calling , tossing around the name calling, tossing around the far right label in a doomed bid to silence the righteous. the truth is, our so—called leaders have no concern for the peoples of their countries . it's true in of their countries. it's true in the united states , in germany, the united states, in germany, all over europe, and it's true here. in recent days , we've been here. in recent days, we've been ianed here. in recent days, we've been invited to consider what happened to more than 900 british sub subpostmasters , british sub subpostmasters, wrongly and shamefully prosecuted for theft, jailed, humiliated , cheated and humiliated, cheated and otherwise destroyed , when in otherwise destroyed, when in factit otherwise destroyed, when in fact it was technology trumpeted and installed by tony blair's government that made the mistakes and unleashed the mayhem . the truth has been mayhem. the truth has been available in every way that matters for years . but it was matters for years. but it was denied. denied and denied again by all those response . cable, by all those response. cable, a tv drama , aired and all at once tv drama, aired and all at once the guilty were falling over one

another to shed crocodile tears. sir ed davey , now leader of the sir ed davey, now leader of the lib dems. but then the government's postal minister under prime minister david cameron , trousered the better cameron, trousered the better part of a third of £1 million while also serving the law firm that so aggressively and effectively targeted those subpostmasters. even as the evil was at its height. he refused to meet far less to listen to those suffering the wrong of it all. also turning a blind eye was labour leader sir keir starmer, sometime boss of public prosecutions. prime minister sunak has had the unmitigated gall to take it upon himself to describe the destruction of nearly a thousand lives as one of the greatest miscarriages of justice in our nation's history. without doubt, those people are the victims of an obscene and unforgivable wrong. but i have to listen to more insincerity. devoid of a grain of genuine empathy from the man presiding over so much else that's terribly amiss. the on going

horror of excess, dying of undiscussed unexplained causes in the aftermath of the so—called pandemic, ruinous lockdowns, the handing over of our unearned billions to perpetuate the profitable slaughter in ukraine, the slaughter in ukraine, the slaughter in ukraine, the slaughter in gaza to attack yemen in our name without our consent is nothing more than salt rubbed in open wounds. consent is nothing more than salt rubbed in open wounds . at salt rubbed in open wounds. at harvard university, the very summit of aspiration in the us, the self—righteous intelligentsia of diversity, eqtu intelligentsia of diversity, equity and inclusivity are running for cover , exposed like running for cover, exposed like bedbugs from under a flipped mattress by a bright light alleging played tourism, which is what educated people call cheating. if the ideologues of woke those demanding enthusiasm for among other pursuits, the surgical mutilation of children are stripped of their claims of expert status , on what other expert status, on what other grounds could they possibly insist on lording it over us mere mortals armed only with common sense and truth? and so

here we are in a lunatic asylum , here we are in a lunatic asylum, governed at best by lunatics , at governed at best by lunatics, at worst by cheats , liars and worst by cheats, liars and sociopaths . here's the thing. sociopaths. here's the thing. next week, the usual suspects, the billionaires and the bosses of trans national corporations and their assorted hangers on will gather again in davos, in the mountains of switzerland. they are to plot more of their fate. they have in mind for the pesky human race, the published agenda this time is about rebuilding trust . trust in those rebuilding trust. trust in those mad clowns. what they need up there in davos with their heads in the clouds are well tailored straight jackets and padded cells . cells. joining me tonight is my friend . joining me tonight is my friend. my joining me tonight is my friend. my favourite regular panellists lawyer, futurist, broadcast or and good chap andrew eborn.

andrew you've heard me ranting there . it feels like politicians there. it feels like politicians there. it feels like politicians the world over are doing whatever they want without fear of consequence. >> it is so worrying and as you rightly say , the thing about rightly say, the thing about trust, i mean trust comes in on foot but leaves on horseback and the reality is, trust is at an all time low in politicians, in the media and so on and so forth. and talk about the turbocharge . can hear the whole turbocharge. can hear the whole word by its very nature. you say, what's that about? and it's all to do with fear. so edward bernays, the father of pr, said that the way you sell anything is through fear. the most powerful human emotion . and what powerful human emotion. and what we need to look at is actually the positive things, things like ai, which are finding solutions and helping cure diseases. but hold on. >> eml- >> fourth, where is the terrible cancer from? i mean, cancer coming from? i mean, i can't be the only that can't be the only person that until a few months ago had never heard of thing. heard of such a thing. >> you, me, both. so the sudden prevalence turbocad answer prevalence of turbocad answer and and behold, a £43 billion and lo and behold, a £43 billion deal by pfizer to up deal by pfizer to pick up a company pharmaceutics

company that has pharmaceutics to terrible cancer . to treat terrible cancer. >> yeah, you're absolutely doesn't doesn't that require investigation. so the questions and what i love about this show is we always question everything. >> we don't just read agitate what we're being peddled, but it's going back to what i say about fear. the word turbo cancer means that it's much, much than cancer. it much worse than any cancer. it is and cancer always used is ever. and cancer always used to be the big which was the to be the big c, which was the big scary thing. anyway, so turbo cancer its very nature turbo cancer by its very nature has to be much worse than has got to be much worse than anything we've imagined. anything we've ever imagined. and come anything we've ever imagined. and i've come anything we've ever imagined. and i've got come anything we've ever imagined. and i've got no come anything we've ever imagined. and i've got no idea. come anything we've ever imagined. and i've got no idea. they're from? i've got no idea. they're not explaining it to us other than is, its very than turbo is, by its very nature, a fear word. so. >> so there's a sequence of events whereby something happens, then there's the rollout of a vaccine, then suddenly we're being talked to about myocarditis, pericarditis, turbo cancer. and then no sooner are to digest those are we learning to digest those words . yes. pfizer are words. yes. then pfizer are acquiring companies to treat those conditions. >> absolutely. it's going back to what i was saying beforehand about fear. that's the way you're selling the message. get really and the really scared. and here's the solution . it's about edward solution. it's all about edward

bernays, about the bernays, who talked about the dixie you might remember dixie cups you might remember about disposable cups. he was engaged help sell these cups. engaged to help sell these cups. these disposable ones. and what he well, about, he said, well, hang about, you're to infections you're going to get infections by keep using the same by if you keep using the same cup and therefore got to cup and therefore we've got to do disposable ones. do these disposable ones. and all a sudden he said, that's all of a sudden he said, that's the way you've got to tell it. you peddle message in the the way you've got to tell it. you pethat message in the the way you've got to tell it. you pethat cupsnessage in the the way you've got to tell it. you pethat cups are ;age in the the way you've got to tell it. you pethat cups are veryin the the way you've got to tell it. you pethat cups are very bad e the way you've got to tell it. you pethat cups are very bad for media that cups are very bad for you because they're not washed properly. you've got to get properly. so you've got to get these disposable and that's these disposable ones and that's how all came about in that how it all came about in that first place. >> salesmen. >> snake oil salesmen. everywhere you look, we're already which already at a break, after which i'll be by andrew bridgen i'll be joined by andrew bridgen mp to talk about fight to mp to talk about his fight to help masters, help the sub—post masters, wrongly stealing from wrongly accused of stealing from the office. don't away

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radio. >> my next guest this evening is mp andrew bridgen, who has spent the last ten years and more fighting for justice for the subpostmasters in his constituency. those who were wrongly convicted of theft by

the or theft from the post office. andrew who joins me now. good evening andrew, to good see you again. when did you become aware of this? exactly. and in what way? >> well, it's actually 14 years ago i elected within ago when i was elected within weeks of being elected as a newly conservative mp i had a surgery appointment booked with mr and mrs. rudkin , and they mr and mrs. rudkin, and they told me what at the time appeared to be an unbelievable story of how they were falsely convicted of fraud. they were actually fitted up by the post office and fujitsu and my constituent , michael rudkin, had constituent, michael rudkin, had been a successful subpostmaster for years with no problems. a pillar of the local community in in ibstock , he'd been actually in ibstock, he'd been actually selected as the representative for all the subpostmasters in the uk . he'd for all the subpostmasters in the uk. he'd gone on a visit to fujitsu's headquarters in that position . he believed they'd position. he believed they'd mistaken him for someone else and they actually took him down into the basement and showed their engineers altering horizon. this is in 2008. um .

horizon. this is in 2008. um. and when they discovered who he was, they threw him out the building. he came back to ibstock and very, very shortly afterwards they were raided. and it were accused of it was they were accused of taking £44,000 shortfall on the computer . and his wife was computer. and his wife was convicted of fraud and it's the fact that people who die have died since people committed suicide because of their desperation and whatever else, people are still in jail. >> people have the convictions have not all been quashed, but what on earth is going on that despite it all being out in the open, people are still languishing under the guilt, out of conviction. >> well , there's at least 736 >> well, there's at least 736 subpostmasters convicted on honzon subpostmasters convicted on horizon evidence alone. the post office had always maintained it was impossible to alter the computer records in a subpostmaster. computer records in a subpostmaster . office without subpostmaster. office without them knowing about it. that was untrue , as mr rudkin had untrue, as mr rudkin had uncovered . and so it was all uncovered. and so it was all

always going to be their fault, and there was no glitches in the system, which that was untrue as well. so we knew all those convictions were unsafe. by 2014, an oliver letwin was in the group of five mps. he was in the group of five mps. he was in the cabinet office and he was david cameron's political adviser. i'd have no doubt he was briefing the prime minister of the time on something as important as what we uncovered at what point did did those in positions to do something about it know that the subpostmasters were innocent? >> how long has that been? >> how long has that been? >> well, i managed to. we ambushed the post office . they ambushed the post office. they were maintaining their system was bomb proof. so i managed to get a really diligent forensic accountant who i'd become acquainted with, called ron warmington of second sight. he got in there and very shortly afterwards it was clear . that afterwards it was clear. that the system was very, very leaky and that all those convictions were unsafe. so certainly by 2014, i knew i believe the government knew and the post

office knew, and the subpostmaster owners knew i, i was i was oblivious to the to the horror of this. >> however, that said, on here and this show a couple of years ago now, more than a couple of years ago, we had on nick wallace, an author who had spent time on investigating. i think there's a clip in 2010, in the post office was made aware of the justice for subpostmasters alliance they alliance and the fact that they had backing of several mps. had the backing of several mps. >> however, they did nothing about that about it. they denied that anything until, in anything was wrong until, in 2012, a group of independent forensic accountants called second sight were brought in by the post office to look at their honzon the post office to look at their horizon computer system, and second sight found that there were there were errors . were faults, there were errors. >> mean, needless to say , >> now, i mean, needless to say, you know, nothing happened in the aftermath. >> i told the government , the aftermath. >> i told the government, you can't the post office pay can't let the post office pay for their investigation . for their own investigation. it's got be paid by the it's got to be paid by the cabinet office or the cabinet office or it's the moment that ron finds anything and find anything and second sight find anything they'll down. and they'll get shut down. and that's what happened in that's exactly what happened in

the warmington, because the end. ron warmington, because he's high he's a man of high morals, leaked the unredacted information because the information to me because the post were all post office were redacting all his it all up . his reports to cover it all up. even point in 2012, even at that point in 2012, andrew, as a lawyer , listening andrew, as a lawyer, listening to this with your legal hat on, what's your instinct? >> scandalous. and there's a number of things here. you hear of the cases where people of the tragic cases where people have said, look, if you plead guilty to fraudulent accounting , guilty to fraudulent accounting, you may not go to prison. and they basically people who were innocent were forced to plead guilty. and always say baby guilty. and we always say baby lawyers, the first thing you're told is better than 99 guilty people get off, than one innocent person gets convicted andifs innocent person gets convicted and it's completely scandalous . and it's completely scandalous. the whole thing about the fact that it took an itv drama to bnng that it took an itv drama to bring this to light is extraordinary. what i also say is there's a number of other questions that need to be raised in denied the fact in terms of they denied the fact afterwards visited afterwards that he ever visited fujitsu. >> pu fujitsu. >> i rang up, i spoke to >> i rang, i rang up, i spoke to fujitsu, wrote to them and said, i'm writing on behalf of my constituent, rudkin. he constituent, mr rudkin. he says he your head at he visited your head office at bracknell on this and they

he visited your head office at brac ofell on this and they he visited your head office at brac of all)n this and they he visited your head office at brac of all claimed and they he visited your head office at brac of all claimed that nd they he visited your head office at brac of all claimed that he'diey first of all claimed that he'd never been on the premises. and then i said, well, he says he then i said, well, he he says he claims that he signed the visitors book and of course, they the they said they'd lost the visitors day. visitors book for that day. and the emails all came out. a whistleblower fujitsu whistleblower from fujitsu eventually. that eventually. and everything that the unbelievable story of fraud and that and false criminalisation that my told those my constituent had told me those years before everything was true. >> it is extraordinary. and the other thing as well, which hasn't come out yet, is about adam crozier, because adam crozier at that time was head of the royal mail. he, i think, from uh, 2003 to 2010. he then went from the head of royal mail to he doesn't feature to itv, and he doesn't feature at all in the drama. and i don't know why that is. >> why does it take a drama? what's that? sounds almost farcical. that after all of the testimony, all of . the all of testimony, all of. the all of the truth telling, all the way down the line, why, when a drama goes out in television, does it suddenly. >> well, it was a well—made drama and it pulled on the

heartstrings, as the story does. i mean, it's deeply distressing when you meet the victims themselves. um but the is, themselves. um but the fact is, i abhorrent is that i had i find abhorrent is that i had been to itv of bbc sky, channel news all the major news and all the major newspapers. the newspapers. i had all the evidence that the convictions were 2014, i went were unsafe. in 2014, and i went for and nobody would run for years and nobody would run the i to the story. i said to the journalist, you'll get an award if you run this story. these people are all innocent and here's no media outlet here's the proof no media outlet would that story. what will would run that story. what will it it right? it cost to put it right? >> there's vast amounts of money in fees and all in terms of legal fees and all of the rest of it. you know, what's the bill and who foots it? >> it's going to be the taxpayer. whatever happens. ultimately, the post office is owned by by the government. so we'll foot the but they've we'll foot the bill. but they've got have proper compensation. got to have proper compensation. i get mrs. rudkin i managed to get the mrs. rudkin in first nine that her in the first nine that had her criminal prosecution overturned, and was in december 2020. and that was in december 2020. mr and mrs. rudkin still haven't got compensation . got their compensation. >> what about fujitsu? i mean, fujitsu is a private company and doesn't it carry the can. >> i think the fact that they

they as far as i'm concerned, it's no coincidence that after mr rudkin uncovered what was going on in 2008, that his wife had suddenly got huge deficit had suddenly got a huge deficit on computer within within on her computer within within days, now that is . criminal that days, now that is. criminal that hold you on that , on that word hold you on that, on that word there, that c word there ? there, that c word there? >> it's a break. after which i'll be joined by subpostmaster, the man in question. we've been talking michael rudkin talking about michael rudkin to talk # "baby let me kiss you" by fern kinney # baby, let me do it # let me do it to you # let me kiss you, baby # hey! # baby, can i do it? can i do it to you? # let me kiss you, baby # cos, baby, let me do it now # cos i'm about to do it anyhow crunch # you know you're gonna, baby...

to gb news radio show. >> welcome back. my next guest is michael rudkin. michael ran a post office in ibstock with his wife, susan. he was also chair of the national subpostmasters federation. their lives changed forever when they were accused of taking £44,000. michael joins me now. michael it's an appalling catalogue of events which we've all been piecing together over the last. whatever weeks or years, depending . but

weeks or years, depending. but what has this done to you and susan? where are you now physically and emotionally? and i can tell you that emotionally, we're both physically drained and wrecked as . a result of and wrecked as. a result of what's transpired. >> what's little known is we came into this industry in 1995. susan and i and we were privileged to be selected by the post office to actually run a branch. so much so that we were then granted a second branch, of which we ran that as well, in conjunction with the other branch . it then came to the branch. it then came to the point where my sons didn't want to follow on in the business, because they were so disillusioned with what was transpiring , and they could see transpiring, and they could see what was happening to mum and dad they chose a different dad that they chose a different career path. but i can only imagine that, you know, traditionally you would have been regarded as, you know, pillars of the community. >> you know, the local post office is a is a difficult place for a lot of people. and what

happened to you going from that? you know, a pillar to suddenly being accused and put in the spotlight of being a thief. well that was a very difficult moment in my life in particular, because i've got i've got a double edged sword. >> one is, i've, i appear to have fallen from grace , and b, have fallen from grace, and b, i'm in a position where i've got to defend the position of my wife because i knew for a fact that susan had wouldn't ever take a penny piece from anybody . take a penny piece from anybody. and yet there she is, accused. they couldn't get at me, but as a union rep. but then they decided they were going to focus their attentions on susan, and they prosecuted her and how do you feel about the fact that you've yet to receive any compensation? >> i mean, or are you getting any kind of apology from anyone about what went through? about what you went through? >> i in particular have >> well, i in particular have had an interim payment, which is very small . the fact that we've very small. the fact that we've got susan, who is part of the,

uh, group that were prosecuted, of which we've got just under a thousand that are waiting for their convictions to be overturned where we've got also 90 some that have had their convictions overturned and that's taken up to now 20 years. are you really asking me to believe that it's going to take another decade before the rest of the subpostmasters are cleared ? cleared? >> gents, how can this be? how can when we know that there was the people are innocent , why are the people are innocent, why are there still outstanding? >> absolutely scandalous. and what sunak was saying this week is they want to basically push forward everything they're going to everybody. as to forgive everybody. as i understand forgive. that's understand it, forgive. that's what . well, those what i know. well, even those who guilty, they're just who may be guilty, they're just pardon completely pardon and say, look completely exonerated because it is scandalous . we're chatting in scandalous. we're chatting in the green room beforehand . what the green room beforehand. what happens? you were vilified in the community as well. and i think you're saying that lots of people who were assumed that you were guilty, they've come and

apologised. ringing apologised. they're ringing you on leaving on your doorbell now, leaving presents how presents and saying just how sorry are on that sort of sorry they are on that sort of thing. but one question i've got in terms of the itv drama, you talked about sean dooley, i think you, to what extent think played you, to what extent were narrative? were you part of that narrative? and actually helping them with writing on and writing the script and so on and so forth? >> well, it's difficult to explain because were so explain because there were so many avenues , but many different avenues, but i had zoom call with sean. had a zoom call with sean. >> yes, because he wanted to get to grips with my character . >> yes, because he wanted to get to grips with my character. he put questions to me to see what kind of reaction he would get , kind of reaction he would get, so that he would have empathy with that, and then to be able to portray it within the dramatisation, of which i have to yet the guy did an to say yet again, the guy did an excellent did the rest excellent job, as did the rest of actors that participated of the actors that participated in programme. i want to in this programme. i want to cover one other point with you, andrew. yes, that you mentioned about the statement from sunak in parliament giving everybody the so—called pardon. yes uh, what is dangerous . about this? what is dangerous. about this? what we need to see is the

detail. the devil is in the detail. the devil is in the detail. and for somebody to stand there and say that we will do this, but we want a statement of innocence for everybody to sign it. and if at some point in the future we think you may have done something wrong, we will be able come back have able to come back and have redress well, redress against that. well, we've experienced what we've already experienced what happens when the judge and jury becomes the executioner owner. i wouldn't want to see any of my members, former members put in that position. >> so it's understandable. you wouldn't have faith in the system. what would you like to see happen? system. what would you like to see happyh? system. what would you like to see happyi would to see >> what i would like to see happenis >> what i would like to see happen is for people to get their act together and start issuing compensation issuing proper compensation levels . i hate this issuing proper compensation levels. i hate this time issuing proper compensation levels . i hate this time when levels. i hate this time when they say we want to restore you back to where you were when this started. i'm 66 next in in a couple of months. i don't want to be back where where i was i want to know how i'm going to fund the next 20 years of my retirement. and it's not with an interim payment of £75,000. >> we can't. we can't have

pardons because you get pardons when you've done something wrong, you're forgiven. >> it's the wrong language. >> it's the wrong language. >> be exonerate >> they've got to be exonerate because people not because these people did not commit crimes. because these people did not conand crimes. because these people did not conand also, rimes. because these people did not conand also, andrew, though you >> and also, andrew, though you know, the technology was trumpeted and put in place by know, the technology was truijlair, and put in place by know, the technology was truijlair, the put in place by know, the technology was truijlair, the whole place by tony blair, the whole scandal unfolded cameron's, unfolded under david cameron's, uh, government. you know, ed davey, as it turns out, was the postal minister who was simultaneously taking money from the firm chasing the the legal firm chasing the postmistress. falsely and postmistress. he's falsely and the postmasters , uh, where who's the postmasters, uh, where who's going to carry the can for this? when will we get somebody who actually stands up and says, this was me? keir starmer , you this was me? keir starmer, you know, was was in some way either turning a blind eye or in some way didn't what was way didn't see what was happening. after i got happening. well, after i got out, uh, a zoom meeting out, michael, uh, a zoom meeting with johnson, then with boris johnson, the then prime when prime minister, that's when we got inquiry . got the public inquiry. >> i, i haven't, i haven't >> we i, i haven't, i haven't given my evidence to the public inquiry. when evidence inquiry. and when the evidence is think we've got is complete, i think we've got to all these characters to to hold all these characters to account. and certainly fujitsu sir ministers. uh, sir davey only ministers. uh, what they knew when they knew it and didn't act. because and why they didn't act. because this be allowed to happen

this can't be allowed to happen again. and think history has again. and i think history has repeated too many times. repeated itself too many times. you over you know, 11 years over thalidomide, 33 years over the gulf war syndrome and . the gulf war syndrome and. the infected blood still not being paid out. those victims, this is deliberate. >> yeah, you're absolutely right. we always say history repeats itself because we don't learn from history. learn the lessons from history. and absolute scandal needs and this absolute scandal needs to addressed. looking at to be addressed. but looking at that side, you went that sort of side, you went to fujitsu. they hide fujitsu. they tried to hide that. well. >> the fact that they turn around didn't exist, around and say, i didn't exist, i appeared that day. i never appeared that day. right? mean, that's really right? i mean, that's really pushing the pale. i've signed the security the invitation book security level that building. yes. is level in that building. yes. is absolutely unparalleled on anything i've ever experienced . anything i've ever experienced. but then also the shock of being taken down into the boiler room . taken down into the boiler room. yes, to watch these experiments happening at at alton ring remotely branches, accounts and challenged and specifically asked twice are you doing this real time ? yes. reply. yes real time? yes. reply. yes i need to ask you again . have you

need to ask you again. have you are you doing this real time response yes . i've told my response yes. i've told my members that no remote access . members that no remote access. can be, uh, done through a remote location . the accounts remote location. the accounts belong to the postmaster and only he can sign them off when completed . and you have entered completed. and you have entered the remotely. and of course, then to be ushered out of the building as though i'm some common criminal. >> yeah. outrageous. that came screamingly through in the drama. the other question , of drama. the other question, of course, is where is the money? because if you're turning around said there was a deficit for some posts that, you know, we should answer in their profits, i is. i know where it is. >> um, very early on in the investigation, anyone who's deau investigation, anyone who's dealt with double dealt with accounts, double entry bookkeeping, every account system has a suspense account. that's put items until that's where you put items until you know where to put it properly. right. suspense properly. right. the suspense account on horizon was mysterious this bomb proof mysterious in this bomb proof system normally in credit . system was normally in credit. at the end of the year, between 1 million and £15 million, and after four years, the post

office directors were just pushing that 1.5 million a year into profits. well, in a bomb proof system, you don't have 1.5 million of uncompleted transactions in surplus. i think if you add all that money up for 15, 20 years, that's the money that was so people need to look at that. >> so the sub post office masters, who basically had to make apparent deficit make up the apparent deficit when deficit out of when there was no deficit out of their money, it's a bit more complicated. >> um, fujitsu had told the post office was a bomb proof office it was a bomb proof system. the office system. yeah. the post office put a penalty clause. put them on a penalty clause. £20. uh penalty clause for every . non completed transaction they'd got hundreds and hundreds and hundreds every day. they paid engineers to fix them right. paying over right. instead of paying over the clause and human the penalty clause and human nature it as well, nature being what it is as well, someone's going to press the wrong key. and instead of having a 30, £40 problem, you've a 20, 30, £40 problem, you've got bigger problem, and then got a bigger problem, and then we're never to to it. >> do h- h— >> do you know what's interesting as in the interesting as well? in the wider we're all being wider context? we're all being pushed technology, pushed towards technology, artificial intelligence and all

of of it. make mistake, of the rest of it. make mistake, our lives are going be better our lives are going to be better because are because these things are infallible you look at this, infallible and you look at this, you the lives destroyed you look at the lives destroyed and at the willingness and you look at the willingness with politicians with which politicians from highest were ready to highest to lowest were ready to say is infallible say that machine is infallible and must the and therefore it must be the humans who it. humans who got it. >> and also fujitsu have got lots of contracts across government billion government and several billion several. think, know, several. and i think, you know, there the child there was certainly the child maintenance service, which had been criticised been heavily criticised by the national um, they national audit office. um, they certainly system certainly had a fujitsu system in least 2021. and you in until at least 2021. and you know, there's lots of people have committed because know, there's lots of people ha being nmitted because know, there's lots of people ha being chased because know, there's lots of people ha being chased for because know, there's lots of people ha being chased for arrears cause there. >> michael, the last question to you, is there anything that can compensate you realistically? you know, this is this is more than ten years. this is ten years of your life that you don't get back. i mean, realistically, i might i might could put you ahead of the game, susan and i might not get that ten years back. >> but i tell you what, we don't want we don't want this apathy and pathetic. i'm sorry, i apologise , i want my life and

apologise, i want my life and that of my wife's financially back on track. so we can see the rest of our years out now. it was raised earlier about the competency of the fujitsu system . i was also privy at the time whilst in office, that there was something called the highlander count. now people were going in and they were paying their electric bills and this, that and the other, and they were getting the receipts. and then all of a sudden, because they were budget programs, the were on budget programs, the service got on they service provider got on and they said, haven't your said, you haven't made your weekly payment. where's said, you haven't made your wee money? nent. where's said, you haven't made your wee money? we're where's said, you haven't made your weemoney? we're going where's said, you haven't made your wee money? we're going to /here's said, you haven't made your wee money? we're going to have s the money? we're going to have to take you off, off the scheme. those people ran back straight away to the post office and produced receipts and said, produced the receipts and said, where's we then where's the money gone? we then find out post office hushed it up very quickly, and believe me very quickly, because this is the first time this issue has been raised and the reason that they hush it up, because that for money the highland account for money the highland account for the gas and electric and

telephone, the money that was being paid in weekly, actually was directed into that account until the public started to raise a fuss. then it was stopped, it was closed down and the money was reimbursed. >> a whole other story there. michael, thank you so much for coming thank you for coming in. thank you for speaking frankly and honestly speaking so frankly and honestly about been like about what this has been like for you. also, andrew for you. thank you. also, andrew bridgen, again turning bridgen, once again for turning the spotlight something the spotlight on something that matters. another break, matters. i'm on another break, i'm afraid, after which i'll be joined by academic and emeritus professor of sociology frank furedi. we'll be talking about the german farmers. why the protests go anywhere. can .

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all of the rest. it's protest against government plans to phase out . agricultural phase out. agricultural subsidies, which all sounds very dry. however those farmers are not alone . lorry drivers and not alone. lorry drivers and hauliers and others people all just people like you and me, have joined in the protests will be following this up in far more detail next week because it's a story that will run and run. but for now, i wanted to get a sense of exactly what's happening in germany, and to that, i'm germany, and to do that, i'm joined by from brussels, by the academic social commentator academic and social commentator frank . frank, good frank ferrari. frank, good evening. joining me . evening. thanks forjoining me. >> hi there. nice to talk to you . can you give us, first of all, a sense of the scale you have seen stuff online, but just how big a protest are we talking about ? this big a protest are we talking about? this is big a protest are we talking about ? this is really massive. about? this is really massive. it's quite unprecedented because it covers the whole of germany and not only does it include farmers, but as you were

suggested, ordinary peoples are getting stuck in something like 68% of the german population is backing the farmers. that's according to the state television survey that they've carried out . and i've talked to carried out. and i've talked to several people who've been on these demonstrations . so these demonstrations. so indicate that what they really are seeing here is a genuine movement who feel that their whole way of life is now under attack because they're not just simply, uh, rebelling and protesting . against the economic protesting. against the economic costs of environmentalism in germany. but what they are really scared about and worried aboutis really scared about and worried about is that the whole rural way of life will be undermined. it's not just simply as far as they're of what their it's not just simply as far as they'ibut of what their it's not just simply as far as they'ibut a of what their it's not just simply as far as they'ibut a way of what their it's not just simply as far as they'ibut a way of of what their it's not just simply as far as they'ibut a way of life.�*|at their it's not just simply as far as they'ibut a way of life. this1eir jobs, but a way of life. this is, uh, these are people who for generations have lived on the land. generations have lived on the land . and you know, we have a land. and you know, we have a situation where ever since the beginning of this century, almost half of german farms have

closed down because of all these new regulations that have been brought and the economic brought in and all the economic costs they've been forced costs that they've been forced to a result of net zero policies. >> you mentioned net zero. can you expand on that? you know, what is the overall watching ideology that's motivating this attack? and it is an attack on farmers and farming, not just in germany, but frankly, all over the world. it's very difficult to explain, but it's almost seems to have, uh, the character of a religious crusade where you just assume that if you emit carbon , uh, then in some shape carbon, uh, then in some shape or form, you know, you've committed a sin. >> and these people who think that we have got to stop, uh , that we have got to stop, uh, carbon emissions from occurring often go so far as to imagine that , uh, often go so far as to imagine that, uh, having less babies, for example , is a duty is for example, is a duty is a moral duty . and some people in

moral duty. and some people in australia have even suggested that if you have more than two babies as a as a family, you should pay . a carbon tax on the should pay. a carbon tax on the third baby. so instead of seeing a little baby, a beautiful little baby coming to this world, what they see is a bit of , uh, carbon that is creating problems for society . and when problems for society. and when you have that kind of mindset, then it's not surprising that when it comes to attacking the farmers, what they really want is substantially reduce is to substantially reduce animal basically animal husbandry. they basically putting taxes on putting all kinds of taxes on farming equipment . they are also farming equipment. they are also cutting uh, of the support cutting, uh, some of the support systems that have been in place for years, for example, the support government has support that the government has provided and all provided for diesel fuel and all that would make farming a very, very difficult enterprise . but very difficult enterprise. but worse still, imagine you're a farmer and you've invested all this money in your land, and you assume that these are the rules that you have to farm by. but a year later, you're told that the rules have changed because now

we have new net zero policies, and six months after that , there and six months after that, there are even more new rules that come in. and i've talked to farmers in europe who literally spend their weekends working with the red tape that's been that's almost kind of destroying their way of life. and they're kind of looking at the paperwork all the time. and essentially what they feel is happening is just when they think they understand the demands that are being placed upon them by the by the, uh, net zero lobbyists, new rules come along to erode their way of life. >> frank, i'm going to have to i'm going to have to wind this up just because of shortage of time. as i said, as i hope you appreciate, we're going to pick this up in much more detail next week. you so much for week. but thank you so much for that. as i've said before and others like me, we are the carbon that trying to carbon that they're trying to reduce. from me this reduce. that's it from me this week, thanks to my andrew week, thanks to my guests andrew bridgen rudkin, bridgen mp, michael rudkin, frank andrew wyborn frank ferrari and andrew wyborn a saturday. up, the a scenic saturday. next up, the saturday like things saturday five look like things are up. are heating up. >> boxt boilers is sponsors of

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