turned out thousands of people turned out calling for a ceasefire in gaza . calling for a ceasefire in gaza. i700 calling for a ceasefire in gaza. 1700 police officers were also deployed onto the streets of the caphal deployed onto the streets of the capital. the foreign secretary has warned britain is ready to strike the houthi rebels again if attacks on the red sea continue . writing in the sunday continue. writing in the sunday telegraph, lord cameron says the government has sent an unambiguous message to the houthis, saying their attacks have to stop . he also warned the have to stop. he also warned the iran backed militants could force up prices in britain if they're allowed to block the passage of container ships in the busy trade route. yemen's houthi rebels earlier promised a strong and effective response following a fresh strike by the united states last night. the us says it was a follow up to a joint uk mission targeting houthi positions following a spate recent attacks . a spate of recent attacks. a former postmistress who's planning to run against sir davey at the next general election says he must be brought to justice. the lib dem leader was postal affairs minister was the postal affairs minister dunng was the postal affairs minister during the horizon it scandal,

but has refused to apologise or take any accountability for his inaction. hundreds of staff were wrongly prosecuted after faulty software led to shortfalls in subpostmasters accounts . sir ed subpostmasters accounts. sir ed says he was lied to by the post office on an industrial scale. speaking exclusively to gb news, yvonne tracy says she felt compelled to take a stand. >> i would have loved it if we could have got a subpostmaster who'd been affected by this to stand against ed davey , but i stand against ed davey, but i can understand that probably there confidence is not and they probably are fed up to death with the government, etc. so i thought it's going to be me. i'm reluctantly doing it, but i feel ihave reluctantly doing it, but i feel i have to do something and this is all i can do. i think he should brought to account. should be brought to account. >> around 150 migrants have been intercepted in the english channel intercepted in the english channel, ending the extended pause in crossings on board three small boats. they're the first to make the treacherous journey since the 16th of december. the longest period without any migrant arrivals for

almost four years. it's thought bad weather conditions may have prevented more people from crossing the channel over the past few weeks . and finally , a past few weeks. and finally, a league one football match had to be abandoned today after around 1000 redding home fans invaded the pitch. the start of the game was interrupted for three minutes when tennis balls were thrown onto the pitch. the referee then had to take the players off after . just 16 players off after. just 16 minutes. as home fans took to the field, with some letting off flares. many redding supporters want the owner to sell the club , want the owner to sell the club, which currently fourth from which is currently fourth from the bottom in the third tier, following sanctions on following sanctions imposed on them efl . those are your them by the efl. those are your top stories on gb news across the uk on tv , in your car, on the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by simply saying play gb news now it's over to headliners

. hello and welcome to headliners. >> i'm simon evans. tonight i'm joined by paul cox and lewis schaefer. good evening gentlemen. are you both well i am thank you simon. excellent >> i can't for lewis. >> i can't speak for lewis. >> i can't speak for lewis. >> i'm not. well, 20 >> i mean, i'm not. well, i'm 20 days into a into a way. >> you call it lurgy in this country. >> oh, you will. >> oh, you will. >> well, i'm not feeling that well, i was completely rundown over over , over christmas time, well, i was completely rundown overi'mer , over christmas time, well, i was completely rundown overi'm just ver christmas time, well, i was completely rundown overi'm just still. 1ristmas time, well, i was completely rundown overi'm just still. i'm mas time, well, i was completely rundown overi'm just still. i'm still time, and i'm just still. i'm still rundown. i don't believe it's a virus bacteria. anything. virus or a bacteria. anything. >> just that's >> but that's that's just that's hard to reconcile with your superb diet and all the measures you've taken in order to. i know, i know, an anomaly. >> imagine. what.7 for >> i imagine. you know what.7 for the honesty out there , the sake of honesty out there, that people who eat an all that even people who eat an all meat can, can catch meat diet can, can catch a little bit of something going to have to go back to my files . have to go back to my files. >> make some adjustments. let's take a look at sunday's front pages. i don't know whether lewis is lurgy will have made it onto the front pages, but anyway , mail sunday farce of , mail on sunday farce of gangster gunmen. we can't deport

that could relate to lewis , but that could relate to lewis, but probably not the sunday times. vennells, the villain of the houn vennells, the villain of the hour. in fact, it's an anagram for villain , isn't it.7 if you've for villain, isn't it.7 if you've got a weird accent given cbe despite horizon fears, that's a historical cbe , of course not. historical cbe, of course not. coming up the sunday telegraph uk ready to strike houthis again, says cameron jr says image on the screen there but i don't think that is their front page observer. read secret service could shatter economy recovery hopes at and the sunday express has minister jailed recovery hopes at and the sunday express has ministerjailed post office bullies and sharon osborne then looking fetching in pinstripes . and finally the pinstripes. and finally the daily star. uh, sunday edition has brought yourself for the big freeze. apparently a northern beast is on its way and the cold weather we've had the last few days has just been a trailer for that. well, those were your front pages . i was i was going

front pages. i was i was going to say that the cold weather is just warming us up. and then i realised that didn't make any sense. i had to change tack in mid—sentence . we begin, however, mid—sentence. we begin, however, with the observer . mid—sentence. we begin, however, with the observer. paul, we do read secret . this could shatter read secret. this could shatter hopes of global economic recovery. it's a world bank warns of surging energy prices . warns of surging energy prices. slower growth and higher inflation as threat rises of disruption to world trade. so this is ahead of the statement we're expecting in the comments from rishi sunak on monday. with regards to the attacks from the uk on houthi rebel uk and us on the houthi rebel sites in yemen. for me, however , sites in yemen. for me, however, this is the world bank. it's a little bit of political gamesmanship, a little bit of hypothesising in their favour because there are two because of course there are two sides story. is sides to this story. one side is you you just let the you just keep you just let the houthi rebels continue to hijack and pirate ships in the suez canal, and pirate ships in the suez canal , or in and pirate ships in the suez canal, or in that part of the world where, of course, a lot of our a lot of our imports and

exports come through. and this isn't just food or, know, isn't just food or, you know, bits that you've on bits that you've ordered on tiktok. there's supplies tiktok. there's medical supplies and everything comes through there. for me, they're there. so for me, they're they're being sort wilfully they're being sort of wilfully ignorant about this, because if we just to leave it, we'd we were just to leave it, we'd have a problem anyway. our have a problem anyway. so our choice whether we choice is whether we whether we defend the area or not. and i think way to mitigate think the only way to mitigate the is to defend it. and of the risk is to defend it. and of course, very political and course, it is very political and it's because they're it's dangerous because they're unked it's dangerous because they're linked to iran and iran's linked to israel. and i, know, at to israel. and i, you know, at the the day, the target the end of the day, the target is . um, but do you is israel. um, but what do you do.7 just is israel. um, but what do you do? just stand back do? you can't just stand back and passive, don't think i and be passive, i don't think i don't well, the don't believe no. well, the houthis fairly houthis have made it fairly clear a they their clear that this is a they their attitude to israel is as as belligerent as it could possibly be, isn't it? they're not claiming any kind of localised , claiming any kind of localised, uh, dispute . uh, dispute. >> no, there's a the big right. >> no, there's a the big right. >> there's a big dispute . it's >> there's a big dispute. it's not just about the houthis. it's from what i know, it's about the iranians and what happened here is, is the way that they've the way we have decided to punish

the houthis is by telling them we're going to attack them and gave them a few days or a week, weeks notice for the iranians to leave the area and for the even the houthis to leave the area. and then we destroy some hootie stuff , which is and then we destroy some hootie stuff, which is very similar to what the israelis are doing, did to the gaza . and that's sort of to the gaza. and that's sort of like what what we do is we just destroy stuff when we should be doing. >> you think you would rather see?it >> you think you would rather see? it would be, uh , a war, see? it would be, uh, a war, a strike without warning , and you strike without warning, and you would like to see them be more loss of life in order to demonstrate real purpose. that's a good point . that's what you a good point. that's what you were saying, lewis. >> it is what saying. yeah, >> it is what i'm saying. yeah, i saying , you know, don't i am saying, you know, i don't care loss life . i care about the loss of life. i what i would do is i would say that can can there can be that yemen can can there can be no shipping around yemen unless it's authorised . by unless it's it's authorised. by unless it's you can only manage that. >> i mean, i guess i know what you're trying to say. >> i'm trying to say because

i've with you enough. i've worked with you enough. >> um, the is that i think >> um, the idea is that i think you're to that you you're trying to say is that you should that, that should police that, that that water houthi water and therefore houthi rebels shouldn't sail rebels shouldn't be able to sail their pirates. their boats and be pirates. anybody the only way you can do that is, is military. that is, is with a military. yeah. yeah well, the american gunships british gunships gunships and british gunships and on are getting involved in. >> so that's what i'm saying. i'm saying, yeah, they go, they i'm 90 saying , yeah th e y go , the y i'm saying, yeah, they go, they go in, in the straits there and they say there we will not they say there will, we will not allow yemeni ships. yeah allow any yemeni ships. yeah >> no, i think that's fair enough. i understand what you're saying. uh, finally. and emma raducanu , who, uh, is doing raducanu, who, uh, is doing a training session, by the way, as well. paul, did you look at that? i didn't actually, but that's a really good point. i was completely focussed on the. so been for so she's been injured for a while, she? had while, hasn't she? well, she had because was golden girl while, hasn't she? well, she had becautwo was golden girl while, hasn't she? well, she had becautwo wasago. golden girl while, hasn't she? well, she had becautwo was ago. wasn't girl while, hasn't she? well, she had becautwo wasago. wasn't she? about two years ago. wasn't she? the a bit the american open a bit of a surprise. you the american surprise. you know, the american open and then open in europe. yeah. and then immediately like immediately retired. a bit like an or something. an ascot winner or something. i thought it. you know, thought that was it. you know, she retired but no, she was retired to stud, but no, in she's back. and in fact, she's she's back. and we to we obviously highlighted her to

great heights that she could never maintain because, yeah, she, to never maintain because, yeah, she,something to never maintain because, yeah, she,something major to never maintain because, yeah, she,something major in to never maintain because, yeah, she,something major in the to never maintain because, yeah, she,something major in the first win something major in the first year career. i she year of her career. i think she also turned out to have some quite based political views that made i think i seem quite based political views that miremember i think i seem quite based political views that miremember that think i seem quite based political views that miremember that she,( i seem quite based political views that miremember that she,( i seshe to remember that she, she, she wrongfooted some of the, the usual know. really? we usual you know. oh, really? we should on here some. yes, should get on here some. yes, absolutely. the bnp johnson they were anyway sunday were thrown anyway the sunday express lewis sunday express. >> good news the sunday >> good news in the sunday express minister jail post office, bullies and this is in the express. lock them up says top tory. the top tory is kevin hollings. ray hollinrake , ken hollings. ray hollinrake, ken hollinrake never heard of him and never heard of him either. and he says prison for post office chiefs who who did the horrible thing that they did and you know what prison for all of them. is walking them. tony blair is walking free. lewis schaffer is walking free. lewis schaffer is walking free. put me in jail. this post office thing is, was so horrendous . and goes so deeply horrendous. and goes so deeply against our british values. yeah. fair play. you are integrated . integrated. >> amazing. yes. no, i'm not integrated because i'm

screaming. >> that's the part not integrating. >> i think the part i think there is something about that though. values to it though. british values to it isn't does feel like isn't there. it does feel like something been the decency something has been the decency has been trampled and it has been trampled upon and it just has become emblematic for a tendency that has just grown and grown the last 20 grown over the last 20 or 30 years. totally agree . um, it years. i totally agree. um, it is all about british decency. there's a cynical side of me that looks at this story and thinks did an itv thinks, why did it take an itv drama? just a few weeks ago to highlight this, when many people already knew the extent of this and have been banging the drum for quite some time even. i think one of the computer magazines , the computer weekly, magazines, the computer weekly, computer weekly , yeah, that's computer weekly, yeah, that's right, was was banging the drum on this and it feels to me slightly cynical in the sense that why has it taken this? what have got to do in order to have we got to do in order to highlight and got highlight things? and we've got to dramas? also to create itv dramas? well, also there election up, there is an election coming up, of up, of course, and it's flared up, but i am not entirely but i will say i am not entirely surprised itv surprised that it's taken an itv drama. if have like a plane drama. if you have like a plane crash a train crash or or crash or a train crash or or some people are murdered, you know, very to easy

know, it's always very to easy gets up. know, the gets the blood up. you know, the blood leads or whatever. but, um , you know, these are the and there was loss of life. there were suicides and lives have been destroyed . but it's a very been destroyed. but it's a very slow burn. it's wide spread. it's people whose lives weren't particularly glamorous and then were suddenly brought down when a celebrity, for instance , a celebrity, for instance, experiences some kind of tragedy, everyone immediately grasps they've been shot grasps that they've been shot down a stratospheric down from a stratospheric altitude. but, i mean, is so it's so mundane . and that, of it's so mundane. and that, of course, is the poignancy of it when you see it brought to life so well as you did, but not just the mundanity. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> all the mundane . yeah. >> all the mundane. yeah. >> all the mundane. yeah. >> the mundanity is the fact. and this is something that i've studied in this country because i didn't grow up with it. but there was a social in there was a social contract in this country that the people who are the betters, whatever you call in america , we call betters in america, we don't but here don't have betters. but here they betters . yeah, the they have betters. yeah, the betters the betters wouldn't screw the working the working people. yeah, and the working people. yeah, and the working wouldn't kick up working people wouldn't kick up

too much of a fuss. so everybody saying it's okay. fact is, saying it's okay. the fact is, is the betters in this country have screwed the working people. >> i think there's something to that. >> i think there's something to that . the telegraph very briefly that. the telegraph very briefly .paul that. the telegraph very briefly . paul. yeah. so this is, uh, rwanda bill must be strengthened or we will kill it off. tory spartans warn. so this is the right of the tory party. the three main groups, the leaders of the three biggest groups in the conservative right have unhed the conservative right have united rishi sunak that united to warn rishi sunak that it needs be full on, it needs to be full on, essentially. and of course, if you're going to endeavour with this , it has to be. there's no this, it has to be. there's no half measures with something like because to be like this because it has to be the whole point of it. and we keep, think, forget it in some keep, i think, forget it in some of rhetoric it's to be of the rhetoric is it's to be a deterrent, because those people of the rhetoric is it's to be a dete are t, because those people of the rhetoric is it's to be a dete are tryingiuse those people of the rhetoric is it's to be a dete are trying toe those people of the rhetoric is it's to be a dete are trying to getose people of the rhetoric is it's to be a dete are trying to get in; people of the rhetoric is it's to be a dete are trying to get in need)le of the rhetoric is it's to be a dete are trying to get in need to who are trying to get in need to look that, i can look and go, if i do that, i can end just straight to end up just flying straight to rwanda. yeah, it's like game end up just flying straight to rvisnakes'eah, it's like game end up just flying straight to rvisnakes and it's like game end up just flying straight to rvisnakes and ladders game end up just flying straight to rvisnakes and ladders in game end up just flying straight to rvisnakes and ladders in which of snakes and ladders in which every will every throw of the dice will land you on snake, isn't it? land you on a snake, isn't it? that's it has to basically that's what it has to basically be i've snake be that yes, i've said snake because of because it's an anagram of sunak. all my work . but sunak. all my all my work. but there is there is something to that. you're absolutely right.

and we've the cleverness and we've seen the cleverness of lawyers, liberal, liberal, progressive . progressive lawyers. >> anagram sunak. all >> an anagram of sunak. all right . right. >> phonetically there's , there >> phonetically there's, there is a kind of there's a whole class in this country now, the good project all the good law project and all the rest of them who will tie these things civil things up in knots? the civil service are clearly opposed to the that they will the whole measure that they will allow happen. if you give allow it to happen. if you give them squeak that them so much as a squeak that they will, will, they will they will, they will, they will run with and will run with that, and they will prevent anything actually prevent anything from actually happening. only thing happening. it's the only thing that's think that's ever made me think we should the echr . yeah. and should leave the echr. yeah. and do to talk about the do you want to talk about the beast the north? uh, lewis? beast from the north? uh, lewis? or break? or should we go to the break? >> good news, great news. bad weather's coming over. >> . >> this. >> this. >> i mean, you've been you've been predisaster. >> you're all right. been predisaster. >> you're all right . you've >> you're all right. you've already had your learning. >> when. everything. >> you know, when. everything. i'm trying find good news i'm trying to find good news everywhere is. this is. this is from . this is from guy named from. this is from a guy named alastair grant, from. this is from a guy named alastair grant , who, according alastair grant, who, according to his twitter thing, calls to his his twitter thing, calls himself the uk's top weather journalist at the daily star. you can look that up the daily star, daily star and he says it's cold and it's going to get

colder. maybe it is going to get colder. >> i will say stock up on vitamin d that will keep your spirits up. i've got to go to the break now, sorry, but the break now, lewis. sorry, but that's part one. stay that's it for part one. stay tuned we cover the tuned as we cover the pro—palestine london. pro—palestine protest in london. keir the yemen keir starmer back in the yemen bombing and taiwan electing a new anti—chinese president. you won't want to miss that. see you

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> welcome back to headliners with me, simon evans , still here with me, simon evans, still here with me, simon evans, still here with paul cox and lewis schaefer. i've just realised, paul cox, that name is the paul cox, that your name is the name of paula wilcox with the middle bit removed, isn't it? well, i've never, ever thought of have not? there's well, i've never, ever thought of bothering not? there's well, i've never, ever thought of bothering nfor there's well, i've never, ever thought of bothering nfor months now been bothering me for months now where heard it before. and where i'd heard it before. and that's what yeah you've that's what it is. yeah you've just thought just got the. i thought of a thousand jokes about you will out the of it. yeah, out the middle of it. yeah, well, that's obviously a generation dependent thing. i guess. generation dependent thing. i guess . yeah. probably lost half guess. yeah. probably lost half the audience anyway, the the audience at home anyway, the other half is making the tea. >> anagram >> his name is an anagram for lewis schaefer. >> his name is an anagram for lewis schtryer. >> his name is an anagram for lewis schtry and play that game . >> don't try and play that game.

i'll you. the i'll walk all over you. the observer . i'll walk all over you. the observer. paul, i'll walk all over you. the observer . paul, with our first observer. paul, with our first story this evening. familiar from saturdays. from previous saturdays. i'm afraid . thousands marching in afraid. thousands marching in our again . yes. the our capital yet again. yes. the observer. thousands of pro—palestinian protesters march in london. so uh, they're obviously there were a whole bunch of things going on today. there were six arrests made or three people arrested on suspicion of showing support for a proscribed organisation, by which mean terrorist group, which they mean terrorist group, um, which is an which is an offence under the terrorism act. while two arrests were made for offensive placards. now, the offensive placards. now, in the grand that's grand scheme of things, that's not numbers, but it is not a lot of numbers, but it is saturday, which it's saturday, which means it's protest and i, for one, protest day and i, for one, support their right waste as support their right to waste as much as they like. support their right to waste as ndon't as they like. support their right to waste as ndon't think as they like. support their right to waste as ndon't think they'reis they like. support their right to waste as ndon't think they're actually ke. i don't think they're actually achieving anything at the moment. sounds very achieving anything at the monoflt. sounds very achieving anything at the monof cynical sounds very achieving anything at the monof cynical and sounds very achieving anything at the monof cynical and sosupportry sort of cynical and i do support their protest, but their right to protest, but i can't see anything being achieved other than a massive fuss. well, they're exhausting police come police budgets that might come in handy. one and don't let in handy. one day. and don't let anyone, tell anyone, by the way, tell you that country free that this country isn't free because of thousands of because hundreds of thousands of people can march our capital people can march on our capital city every weekend in support of

people that would quite happily have every one of them killed. and that lightly, and i don't mean that lightly, because, look and i don't mean that lightly, be hamas look and i don't mean that lightly, be hamas just look and i don't mean that lightly, be hamas just in look and i don't mean that lightly, be hamas just in isolation,look at hamas just in isolation, their doctrine is to wipe us out. mhm the west, the jews, whoever gone, they would say most of these people that they don't support hamas , that they don't support hamas, that they simply want there to be a ceasefire in israel to stop killing innocent civilians. but then again, there are others who say that only say that that can only be achieved by destroying israel. i think sort of a wilful think there's a sort of a wilful ignorance again, involved . in ignorance again, involved. in some of this, where, of course, we understand, you know, children, women in palestine being killed. really bad stuff. okay. they did hamas okay. they did vote in hamas and hamas start war. so to hamas did start the war. so to protest and make out that protest it and make out that israel entirely is israel are entirely to blame is very some very disingenuous. and some people like late people did that like late evening october the 7th, evening on october the 7th, didn't ? you you've didn't they? do you ever you've had to speak on this on countless occasions. >> mean, i, i, >> yeah. because i mean, i, i, i kind of agree with paul, but we don't know what, what good could happen for them. i mean, it

seems like they're wasting their time, but they're not. on one hand, that they're time, but they're not. on one han helping that they're time, but they're not. on one han helping cause hey're time, but they're not. on one han helping cause because not helping their cause because because every single day goes on, people are beginning. people realise is that i feel for the palestinians because they don't have support. they're not loved or liked, but i mean, i have palestinian, you mean those people in that area of the world by by their own neighbours , by by by their own neighbours, by the egyptians, the saudis? exactly >> they're loved by students. they're loved by left wing protesters all around the world. but nobody power nobody but nobody with power and nobody close nation but close by. as a nation but palestinians, many of them. >> i have a very good palestinian friend. or i did and, um, they good people. but you feel for them ? um, yeah. you feel for them? um, yeah. >> i mean, they've got some little catchy ditties, haven't they? yemen. yemen make us proud. turn another ship around now, know, it's catchy , but now, you know, it's catchy, but the idea that we should be supporting the houthi rebels is beyond me. i can't see what

value that is. they think they associate the houthis with supporting hamas against israel or palestine against israel, i.e. against israel. however, there there are terrorist group not prescribed in this country yet, but i'm sure there will be soon. and they're just a proxy for iran and there's plenty of other. there was a guy speaking who was, uh, filmed and shared on twitter saying that we need to massacres and that to normalise massacres and that was like with a microphone and nobody intervened at that point. anyway lewis, the independent labour are not going to make the yemen an election wedge issue by the look of it. >> yeah, well, it's keir starmer, uh, backs yemen bombing and issued a stern warning to terrorist sponsors. iran and which is, i think, what he should do personally. but it's not it's not completely on point. it can't can't be on point. it can't can't be on point because there are lots of labour people who who are who are against it. but keir starmer wants to be elected prime minister. he wants his to party win. his foot is all the way

down on the on the gas. if people know what that means to have your foot on gas, we have your foot on the gas, we could some of them out there could some of them out there could think a camping reference. >> probably. yeah. just be down all the way down. >> but but i mean, to be fair to starmer , he is exercising starmer, he is exercising a degree of discipline over the party. >> because you're right there are there are the dissident left within party would within his own party who would actually see him actually quite like to see him equivocate a more on this? equivocate a bit more on this? probably, yeah. of course. i mean, only you only got mean, you only you only got i know he's not in party know he's not in the party anymore. only to anymore. have you only got to look jeremy corbyn, who look at jeremy corbyn, who essentially is a labour right. but labour right. but very, very far labour right. um, because um, and he's independent because of . but all his of his views. but all of his supporters largely vote labour and have absolutely no and they'd have absolutely no action whatsoever. would action whatsoever. they would support the ceasefire, they would support the on october the 8th. they would have gone, look, can we just scrub over it ? i can we just scrub over it? i mean, i've got to say at the time when, uh, accusations of anti—semitism were levelled at corbyn's , uh, shadow cabinet corbyn's, uh, shadow cabinet building . up to the 2019

building. up to the 2019 election, i wondered if they were overplaying that a little bit, because there didn't seem to be very many obvious ways in which manifest which that would manifest itself in didn't in this country. i didn't genuinely believe that there'd be of prejudice be any kind of prejudice legislation against legislation brought in against jews but the events jews in the uk, but the events that place that have taken place in the last 18 months or so are certainly the last months certainly the last six months have how have made you realise how britain's britain's place, britain's britain's place, britain's position would be vastly different under a corbyn single. one of jeremy corbyn's actions since september the 7th, october the 7th, october the 7th. sorry. yeah would would make jewish people uncomfortable . jewish people in britain, especially uncomfortable. i mean, he's in south africa now supporting. i'm sorry. he's in the supporting south the hague now supporting south africa for their court. yeah, exactly . and whether he thinks exactly. and whether he thinks he's doing that for the right reasons or not, that will be making jewish people feel uncomfortable. of course . i uncomfortable. of course. i mean, it's i suppose it needs saying the sir starmer saying that the sir keir starmer actions will be a lot of actions will be making a lot of muslim people feel uncomfortable. is uncomfortable. that is, that is the multicultural the nature of our multicultural nature . uh, louis, taiwan nature. uh, louis, taiwan electing a troublemaker, at least according to the chinese

communist party. >> well , this is this is i don't >> well, this is this is i don't know whether good news or >> well, this is this is i don't kn0\news ther good news or >> well, this is this is i don't kn0\news orzr good news or >> well, this is this is i don't kn0\news or just good news or >> well, this is this is i don't kn0\news or just asood news or >> well, this is this is i don't kn0\news or just as newsaws or >> well, this is this is i don't kn0\news or just as news as; or bad news or just as news as taiwan william taiwan elects this guy. william lai president, champion of lai as president, champion of autonomy for china. there are three parties. one of them is the most pro taiwanese party. and china wants taiwan back . a and china wants taiwan back. a case could be made that taiwan wants china back because taiwan was was just founded by this, by dissident chinese people. >> that'd be a hell of a judo move. it could . move. it could. >> just about feel . like an old >> just about feel. like an old droopy cartoon sign of great again. >> yeah, i think there are many people who are thinking that the thing about the interesting thing about the interesting thing that thing about the taiwanese that i have more and more have read is that more and more of taiwanese consider of the taiwanese consider themselves taiwanese and not chinese, not chinese in exile. so what they're doing is they it's bothering china , of course, it's bothering china, of course, but it's and the big the biggest fear here is the most important issue is that the rumours are

spread that america will not defend taiwan strongly enough. but the truth is, america will defend taiwan. we just do not give an unlimited forever free bill of we're going to defend you forever. so . we do leave you forever. so. we do leave countries. we gave iraq 15 or 20 years. we gave afghanistan ten, 15 years. >> what they'd ideally like to see. america would be something like the ukraine russia situation, where you can support a war against your enemy without losing american life. right. and you know, quite happy to you know, they're quite happy to spend the money on it. >> even lose american >> we might even lose american lives do it. that's not the problem. >> i don't know. i mean, if china invade taiwan, then i think america would be entitled. i accept i think the world would accept that. that would that. it would be. that would be, it's given that be, you know, it's given that guarantee. would they're be, you know, it's given that guaramember/ould they're be, you know, it's given that guara member of ld they're be, you know, it's given that guara member of nato,they're be, you know, it's given that guara member of nato, but're not a member of nato, but it would similar kind of would be a similar kind of scenario, i think. >> remember, remember the domino theory, which was in vietnam, which is why we went into vietnam, why america went into vietnam, why america went into

vietnam is because if vietnam falls, the philippines falls, then the philippines falls, then the philippines falls, it falls, australia falls, and it all goes. yeah. and so i think can a communist can you imagine a communist australia would been interesting. >> him >> i'd like to see him try. >> i'd like to see him try. >> did have they >> well they did have they did have new for have a fascist new zealand for a while did they. >> yeah. don't remember that. wow. >> jacinta a oh jacinda. >> jacinta a oh jacinda. >> well fair >> yeah. well to be fair australia, actions under >> yeah. well to be fair austunder actions under >> yeah. well to be fair austunder the ictions under >> yeah. well to be fair austunder the covid. jnder >> yeah. well to be fair austunder the covid. yeah. the, under the covid. yeah. anyway, paul. candidates are understandably rushing forward to be the toby jones led to be the next toby jones led itv drama to drive government compensation programs. yes, indeed. compensation programs. yes, indeed . so rishi sunak must now indeed. so rishi sunak must now compensate the infected blood scandal victims politicians demand. so after the prime minister paved the way for hundreds of postmasters wrongly prosecuted by the post office to receive compensation , he has receive compensation, he has been told to roll out compensation to victims of the infected blood scandal. so look, whilst i completely agree, by the way , they the infected blood the way, they the infected blood scandal was a huge story in the 70s and 80s, they have been compensated to directly or their partners have been compensated up to about £100,000. i should say . so. it's like they say. so. it's not like they haven't compensated, but

haven't been compensated, but and that and i fully support that compensation as much as i fully support the post office compensation but compensation scheme. also but this is why governments push back. yeah, because there are a lot of worms in that tin. yeah and as soon as you let one out, the domino effect, the domino effect . yeah. i thought you just effect. yeah. i thought you just meant worm. but i get meant a worm. yeah but i get what you mean now. yeah. he's a tin full of worms if ever i saw one. no, you're absolutely right. of course. and i will just say, incidentally, i totally i know the totally i don't know where the i mean, i totally support the idea that the victims of the, of the post scandal should post office scandal should be compensated. i don't entirely support idea that they support the idea that they deserve £1 billion worth of taxpayers money. think taxpayers money. i think they deserve £1 billion worth of fujitsu's that's fujitsu's money. yeah, that's who should for who i think should be paying for it. what i mean? there it. you know what i mean? there are people actually profited are people who actually profited from this nonsense, you know, and ministers who were given money they were power. money while they were in power. >> yeah. make the most >> yeah. can i make the most important here is what important point here is what this is. this is more pan tick generating over little things causing disease is the hiv

causing disease is the hiv causing aids is dubious. okay. and i and i'm going to say there are many i can see itv is beginning to cast you already. >> you've just given them the angle they need . louis, you are angle they need. louis, you are not going to be toby jones. i can tell you that the last thing that i say on this thing is that i do not believe the aids slash hiv narrative, that tiny little things cause disease . things cause disease. >> these. >> these. >> okay, so you're saying that with the lurgy that's quite brave. that's it for part two. >> coming up. little thing allergy. my little my lurgy is caused by exhaustion by having by having a girlfriend home for two weeks. >> can we just bring lewis's mic down for a moment? that's it for part two. coming up, we have a human behavioural crisis , trauma human behavioural crisis, trauma in metaverse and clarkson in the metaverse and clarkson taking aim at stephen fry. see

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>> infected blood welcome back to headliners. >> so lewis the observer have news of the behavioural crisis thatis news of the behavioural crisis that is undermining attempts to eliminate the human race. >> oh my god , didn't i tell you? >> oh my god, didn't i tell you? i don't want to talk about these kind stories. this kind of stories. these are. this is is is a typical is the this is this is a typical sunday story. it's in the it's in observer. it's a long in the observer. it's a long piece by who wrote piece by a guy who wrote a papen piece by a guy who wrote a paper. name is joseph mertz. paper. his name is joseph mertz. mertz which funny name mertz which is a funny name because that fred mertz which is a funny name beceethel that fred mertz which is a funny name beceethel mertz,1at fred mertz which is a funny name beceethel mertz, who fred mertz which is a funny name beceethel mertz, who frythe and ethel mertz, who were the neighbours honeymooners neighbours in the honeymooners in oh, in america. jackie gleason. oh, okay. was considered okay. so it was considered a funny in america. in funny name even in america. in the 1950s. the mertz who does he work for? >> lewis. work for? >> he vis. work for? >> he worked. what just happened? for. he happened? he works for. he works for mertz. the mertz institute. >> this was totally impartial . >> this was totally impartial. >> this was totally impartial. >> on. institution that >> go on. an institution that research is basically, he says , research is basically, he says, there's huge climate change. and we got to do something about climate change because there are too many people. and we've got too many people. and we've got to do we've got to eliminate the

these climate change people they hate. basically, they're not climate change. they're using the excuse of so—called climate change to kill us. they want you dead, they want lewis. they want my friend paul, and even even simon, who hates my guts. he's stewart. >> he's talking about three levers of oversew shoot, which is an interesting expression . is an interesting expression. consumption, waste and population . now consumption and population. now consumption and waste . obviously, i understand waste. obviously, i understand thatis waste. obviously, i understand that is basically saying that we extract more from the earth than it can afford to give it eventually . so either you either eventually. so either you either consume it or you waste it, and that i understand those are the two halves of what's extracted. >> i'll explain that to me. explain how you can take more from the earth . are going to? from the earth. are we going to? what saying? current what are you saying? the current exist what are you saying? the current exisyeah. the current, there's >> yeah. the current, there's a big hole earth that we've big hole in the earth that we've used too much of. >> the earth. that the earth is going because going to disappear because we've used of it. his theory. used too much of it. his theory. >> i don't know whether whether you agree you would accept it or agree with presuming he's with it, but i'm presuming he's produced with it, but i'm presuming he's produce it, that there is. we support it, is that there is. we currently earths to currently need 1.7 earths to maintain the consumption of

resources at the current level, and people have been talking about this. know they've about this. i know they've overstretched you know, the club about this. i know they've ov rome ched you know, the club about this. i know they've ov rome and you know, the club about this. i know they've ov rome and so u know, the club about this. i know they've ov rome and so on.1ow, the club about this. i know they've ov rome and so on. yeah:he club about this. i know they've ov rome and so on. yeah it! club of rome and so on. yeah it create a fear about whether we're going to run out of oil or whether going to run out whether they're going to run out of supposed to of food. india was supposed to have gone through starvation decades ago. and of course, we've time we've always just in time invented new fertilisers or we've forms of we've invented new forms of energy and so on. just keep energy and so on. we just keep pace it . but is pace with it. but there is a there is a, i understand, a conceivable proposition that the extent of consumption that's been popular in the west for some long, some some decades now , if you were to roll that out around the earth , and all the around the earth, and all the people the were to people of the earth were to expect and enjoy expect to run cars and enjoy central air central heating and air conditioning at level that conditioning at the level that we've that would conditioning at the level that we'vimore that would conditioning at the level that we'vimore resourceshat would conditioning at the level that we'vimore resources and vould conditioning at the level that we'vimore resources and iled available. >> you think ? but no, here's my >> you think? but no, here's my point. >> t his third one, his >> he used his third one, his population. he is actually actively talking about depopulation . depopulation. >> exactly. okay, let's pick one of three. you pick the of those three. you pick the first one. i'll just the first one. i'll just defend the first one. i'll just defend the first one. i'll just defend the first one is first one. the first one is we've unlimited amount of we've got an unlimited amount of oil in country. oil practically in this country. we're thousands oil practically in this country. weyears thousands oil practically in this country. weyears away thousands oil practically in this country. weyears away from thousands oil practically in this country. weyears away from tho allnds oil practically in this country. weyears away from tho all the of years away from using all the oil . and so what if we use oil?

oil. and so what if we use oil? the oil doesn't mean the earth is disappear. we'll is going to disappear. we'll just have people because just have fewer people because then there enough food. then there won't be enough food. so we will just shrink naturally. to naturally. we don't have to worry about it. >> what do you think, paul? behavioural sinister. um behavioural crisis. sinister. um i first all, i think i think first of all, i think the be the earth's going to be fine. i'm not about earth . i'm not worried about the earth. it's mean, let all it's humans. i mean, let all that this idea that people are worried about the i find worried about the earth i find fascinating they're fascinating because they're actually worried about themselves. to it themselves. they like to put it in terms. have to in in those terms. they have to in to achieve they to, order to achieve what they want think they've want to do. i think they've taken a very good philosophy , taken a very good philosophy, i.e, uh, give what you i.e, you know, uh, give what you take, what you give. uh take, take what you give. uh with uh, and the with the earth and, uh, and the resources that offers. and they've turned it to in a whopping great bat to beat us all with. and this is where all up with. and this is where i start to face with it. start to lose face with it. faith with it. should say he. faith with it. should i say he. he need to become more he says we need to become more mindful way we are being mindful of the way we are being manipulated. i agree with him, just he intends just not in the way he intends it i think we are being it to us. i think we are being manipulated a lot the time. manipulated a lot of the time. he overshoot so that he talks about overshoot so that anything we do is never quite going to be good enough. and for this kind of person and doctrine

, ideology, things are never going to be enough. so it doesn't matter what if doesn't matter what you do if you let's just take you achieve. let's just take ulez at the ulez for instance. at the moment, your car is over moment, if your car is over 2015, you're all let's 2015, you're all right. let's get to a point in london where every car user ulez every car user is ulez compliant. you're telling me then going then they're just going to stop charging people? oh of course not. exactly. so that's what's going usb going to happen to be like usb sockets you have them sockets as soon as you have them installed sockets as soon as you have them installechange the shape of they'll change the shape of them. so i'm quite cynical about this, that it's this, and i believe that it's just another attempt control . just another attempt to control. us. we've got to move on. sorry, lewis, we've got to move on on this one. but the, uh, the evil billionaire or philanthropy news now the sunday times. paul, now in the sunday times. paul, uh, ellison bankrolled uh, larry ellison is bankrolled by blair's drive for by tony blair's drive for transhumanist cryogenics. one of this cuddly pair. these two are tony blair's think tank given £200 million by tech billionaire , as you say, larry ellison of oracle is bankrolling the former pm's think tank, which advises on global health care and government reform . um, and tony government reform. um, and tony blair has called it the institute of global changes, which again , is quite

which again, is quite terrifying. i mean, it's all in the title, isn't it? globe change. they all want to control the world in some way. and let's part for moment. the part for a moment. the personalities involved. why why would a billionaire philanthropist and one of the world's most manipulative, well known political leaders , why known political leaders, why would they want to combine? is it for our own good? question mark. i'm not convinced it is. i think it's for their ends in think it's for their own ends in to degree . and it does. to some degree. and it does. whenever i see a story like this, i always to myself, this, i always think to myself, why do they want do this? why why do they want to do this? why do everybody to the do they want everybody to do the same ? well, it's the same. same thing? well, it's the same. it's all part of the thing. and lewis has talked about it before. funnily enough, i was listening book, uh, the listening to a book, uh, on the way you exactly way in, i will tell you exactly what it's called. it is called return of the strong gods by somebody , and somebody called r.r. reno, and he starting out with the he is starting out with the post—war consensus khalife , faux post—war consensus khalife, faux pas and so on, basically saying that things like nationalism and anything , that things like nationalism and anything, any kind of way of organising politics around a metaphysical force such as, you

know, ideals or the spirit of a people has to be done away with because that led to the world wars and instead we move. he doesn't use the terms yet to a sort of technocratic kind of mindset. karl popper and so on. the open society essentially mindset. karl popper and so on. the opthatyciety essentially mindset. karl popper and so on. the opthat we ty essentially mindset. karl popper and so on. the opthat we need entially mindset. karl popper and so on. the opthat we need to tially mindset. karl popper and so on. the opthat we need to look at saying that we need to look at the earth and its population being governed as if it was, you know, human resource essentially, rather than any kind of people seeking its own actualisation. and that's essentially what we're seeing out now, right? economic units. >> well, what we're seeing. well, because because the phrase that lewis schaefer uses is team world is and tony blair is mr team world. yeah and his you know and he's getting $200 million from this guy ellison who's mr oracle guy. and uh, i googled how much money the guy's got. he's got according to wikipedia , he's got $135 wikipedia, he's got $135 billion. so 200 million is like, oh, it's in a way, it's almost insultingly little. >> yeah, it's. but i don't think

he's i don't think he's bankrolling anything else to a greater extent. ellison being friends tony blair a friends with tony blair for a long yeah. blair was long time. yeah. tony blair was prime minister when they struck up and he's up the relationship. and he's basically bankrolled a lot of tony blair's activities. activities. it's an interesting one, isn't it, oracle. it's the third most profitable software and sort of computer company and yet i doubt many of us have ever bought an oracle product or even, it goes, oh, have even, i assume it goes, oh, have you in the past, i used to you in the past, when i used to be electronic test engineer. so i worked software i i worked on software systems. i assume systems assume they create huge systems for companies rather yeah, for companies rather than. yeah, that industry . me that it exists in industry. me not so much in in person anyway, as you say, fourth or fifth most wealthy man in the world and yet slightly more anonymous than they point out how paul is like humblebragging by mentioning that he has had a job and you could possibly get in touch with ellison and just touch him for a couple of grand. louis. just when you think meta couldn't get any worse , the daily mail have a

any worse, the daily mail have a follow up on virtual sexual assault story. yeah. >> this is this is horrible. it it exclusive. i was a gang in the metaverse . the trauma was the metaverse. the trauma was similar to real world assault . similar to real world assault. this is this woman is saying that bad things happen online and they're just because this virtual reality headsets . and virtual reality headsets. and it's something that happened to her in her name is nina patel, something that happened to her in 2021. and it's now 2023. so this is hardly new for 2024. yeah >> my god, you've been ill since 23. i know how it is . 23. i know how it is. >> it's another example of how a woman cannot take response. what is the i do think and well, i will say this. >> there's a there's a big photograph of her in this story looking very attractive. well presented, which not, you presented, which is not, you know, i mean, it's know, to say she i mean, it's in the that doesn't the metaverse, so that doesn't matter. but she's kind of presenting very presenting herself as a very sort know, it feels sort of i don't know, it feels like herself into like she's talking herself into this bit. you this story a little bit. do you know i and it i read know what i mean? and it i read the i read her account of

the story. i read her account of it. been on the it. i've never been on the metaverse not metaverse because this is not just like kind of, you know, just like a kind of, you know, on a screen. this like you on a screen. this is like you put reality put on the virtual reality goggles you in this goggles and you live in this world, see the appeal world, and i can see the appeal of as myself. of it for people such as myself. sometimes a day sometimes you spend a day working think, working at home, you think, wouldn't be a wouldn't it be nice to be in a virtual office and have some virtual office and have some virtual they virtual friends around? they might virtual friends around? they mig really in virtual friends around? they migreally in real you really know in the real world whatever. then into world or whatever. and then into this space come 3 or 4 male avatars they're called, and avatars as they're called, and start crowding or apparently there's a limit to how much they can obviously, as an avatar can do, obviously, as an avatar on there's a sense on avatar, but there's a sense that crowding around that they're crowding around her, and some of banter her, and some of the banter is of distinctly of, of a distinctly sort of, uh, invade lviv. and, you know, uh , invade lviv. and, you know, uh, off colour nature. well it's unpleasant. i mean, i don't know how the metaverse can kind of police this sort of thing, but to that remotely to say that it is remotely similar to an actual physical sexual assault. yeah. i mean , sexual assault. yeah. i mean, how would she feel? how would anyone feel if she were actually to say that to the face of somebody who was had been sexually assaulted in real life ? sexually assaulted in real life? oh, you're right to be, um , oh, you're right to be, um, emotive about this. i'm an

absolute unlike real sexual assault in this environment, you can just turn off. you just. it's gone . yeah, and it's gone. it's gone. yeah, and it's gone. i'm not suggesting for a minute it's not unpleasant behaviour. but let's not forget, this is in the realm of video games where people are killing and shooting each other minute. know, each other a minute. you know, minute minute after minute after minute after minute. that's minute. the thing that's different about this is victimhood has become a very valuable commodity . and i am valuable commodity. and i am again , this sounds very cynical again, this sounds very cynical and i'm sure this person's lovely, but i feel like she's used this to her own gain. i'm afraid that is exactly what it smacked to we'll one smacked of to me. we'll get one more story in before the break. observer now paul, the cycle of life die, bodies life when we die, our bodies become the grass and the antelope grass . and antelope eats the grass. and meanwhile , that's a little bit meanwhile, that's a little bit of a life lesson i learned from watching a film a few years ago. i can't remember which one. in the meanwhile, green parks make strong bones , so it's a full strong bones, so it's a full cycle. i got so engrossed in what were saying , cycle. i got so engrossed in what were saying, i'd what you were saying, i'd forgotten about story. forgotten about the story. i wish do the voice move wish i could do the voice move faster. that's right. yeah. when

we die, simmer. bodies we die, simmer. our bodies become and the become the grass and the antelope eat the grass . antelope eat the grass. >> oh, that was an actual something. that's from the lion king. >> do you not recognise it? >> do you not recognise it? >> miss the lion. >> oh, i miss the lion. >> oh, i miss the lion. >> everything the grass touches. simba you've got to learn how to do mufasa . women melt. do mufasa. women melt. >> the thing i'll tell you >> so the thing i'll tell you the story just. >> doesn't seem % are children >> it doesn't seem% are children living have living near green spaces have stronger . so children with stronger bones. so children with more green spaces near their homes significantly homes have significantly stronger bones, a has stronger bones, a study has found. potentially leading to lifelong health benefits . and lifelong health benefits. and this study is the first of its kind, largely because everybody's known this. everyone knows a very time. if knows for a very long time. if anyone out there does not know it, it's the single best thing you for your to you can do for your kids is to drop them off at the park and leave few hours leave them there for a few hours at least, and at least once a day, a few hours . day, a few hours. >> but the park is leaving. >> but the park is leaving. >> they will come back with loads more calcium . anyway, loads more calcium. anyway, that's part three. done coming up with how university challenge went viral on the rave scene and a tiktok traveller cries over

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an and welcome back to headliners. so the observer and now paul on the university challenge scandal. i hate to say it, but i'm afraid i'm in this one. are you very slightly. but go on, do the story first. i'll explain. didn't realise that explain. i didn't realise that we need i'm afraid. how we need jungle, i'm afraid. how university challenge went viral on the rave scene. so a quote

from amol rajan, host of the highbrow british quiz. i didn't write that. that's, uh, that's what's written here. has inspired a stream of samples in tracks innovations tracks and innovations to perform , um, live. so we're perform, um, live. so we're going to have a look at the clip. actually, i think they've got it. if we do a what name is given to the genre of dance music that developed in the uk in the early 1990s, out of the rave scene and reggae sound system culture associated with acts called gerald acts such as a guy called gerald and goldie , drum and bass , drum and goldie, drum and bass, drum and goldie, drum and bass, drum and bass. >> we need jungle, i'm afraid you know. >> that was the iconic phrase. so the fact that they're sampling it does remind me of, uh, a friend of ours probably marcus brigstocke. he was. he had a sitcom, or he was writing on a sitcom called barking. i think it was. but 20 years ago. and he was there was a scene of him in the cockpit with, with a co—pilot other co—pilot co—pilot and the other co—pilot says, smoke? he says, says, do you smoke? he says, i don't cigarettes. i don't don't smoke cigarettes. i don't smoke don't the smoke cigars, i don't smoke the pipe, smoke cigars, i don't smoke the pipe, smoke the pipe, and i don't smoke the reefer. they just they just reefer. and they just they just sampled that right?

reefer. and they just they just sampled that right ? they sampled that right? they actually made, uh, a dance hit out of it to the point that the writers of berkeley, including marcus, i think, actually managed to get royalties in managed to get some royalties in the think the end. so you think camel might be in something? yeah, might be in for something? yeah, he for some he could be in for some royalties. this the royalties. i saw this on the twitter uh, and i've twitter and, uh, and i've responded to it and got a, got a reply so was quite responded to it and got a, got a reply of so was quite responded to it and got a, got a reply of because so was quite responded to it and got a, got a reply of because syloveas quite responded to it and got a, got a reply of because s1 love thatrite proud of because i love that show. never him. no, show. i've never met him. no, i love that university challenge. and that episode and and we watched that episode and i harsh i thought it was very harsh because think is because i don't think there is a significant between significant difference between drum it's drum and bass and jungle. it's a very to be very narrow difference to be honest. me either, but i'm pretty sure there's some hardcore there. well, hardcore fans out there. well, i've a few people on i've asked a few people on twitter up twitter and nobody's come up with plausible. with a really plausible. it's not. you not. i can understand if you said for said house and techno, for instance, who instance, or. yeah, and who created they had already answered created house with answered who created house with fatboy slim, which is unforgivable. i mean, that's two decades out. you say you happenedin decades out. you say you happened in the late 80s in new york. . york. i think. >> yeah, but what i resent is you don't ask me. >> go on. what are you >> go on, go on. what are you going to say? >> i wrote i wrote my, uh, phd thesis on the difference between those two. you really ? no, i did

not. >> of course i did not. >> of course i did not. >> have you were you ever into it? i used to, i went to metalheadz a couple of times, so i was a big house fan and house was. and jungle was kind of a mix of reggae and house. i might be, um, might be doing be, um, i might be doing a disservice. was much disservice. so it was too much for like techno was too much for me. like techno was too much for me. like techno was too much for i once went to see the for me. i once went to see the chemical brothers live, and about minutes, even though about 30 minutes, even though i'm was like , this is i'm only 18. i was like, this is done. my head in jungle though it because was. so it was it was because he was. so it was accelerate the beats basically it was because he was. so it was acce so ate the beats basically it was because he was. so it was acce so fast:he beats basically it was because he was. so it was acce so fast thateats basically it was because he was. so it was acce so fast that it ts basically it was because he was. so it was acce so fast that it almost ally it was because he was. so it was acce so fast that it almost just just so fast that it almost just became a flat surface again. phenomenal i don't know what they called it. i can't, i don't know. anyway, good for amol rajan for uh, putting his stamp on michael gove now on the new job. michael gove now lewis in the mail using the expression gentle densification, which you notice that sounds a bit more like slow acting viagra and housing. >> this is michael gove who is the levelling up secretary who should be you know, it's atrocious. that name . some atrocious. that name. some residents will be able to make their homes up to seven storeys tall under michael gove's new

plans for local street reference homes. what they want to do is they want to just they want to build buildings because that's what this country is all about. this is just this country has become one real estate become one big real estate scheme . the labour wanted scheme. the labour wanted densify the cities, the conservatives want to densify the countryside. it's all giving money into the dirty industrial team world. >> but wouldn't you say there would be quite a lot of benefit? what do you think, paul? to the density of the suburbs of like 2 or 3 storey townhouse houses into 4 or 5 storey towns? i'm much more cynical about it than that, actually, i think i think this is saying, tell us, we've got without got a population crisis without telling us. we've got a population telling us. we've got a popula,on telling us. we've got a popula, i1 telling us. we've got a popula, i think we do know. >> no, i think we do know. >> no, i think we do know. >> you tell me i'm wrong when i'm finished. >> okay. sorry. >> okay. sorry. >> be quick, because we've got 1.5 minutes left. i just think i just is enabling just think this is enabling us to more , which maybe to build more, which maybe overcomes problem doesn't overcomes a problem but doesn't stop a problem. no. fair enough. >> overcome >> it doesn't overcome a problem. a there's no problem. there's a there's no housing but there are an

housing crisis, but there are an awful lot of streets that are two storey, fairly banal houses that would be better. >> three, 4 or 5 storeys better for who? well, you know, it bnngsin for who? well, you know, it brings in that kind of amsterdam kind i like it. kind of. no, i like it. i wouldn't have a problem with that. one that. no okay. we've got one more quickly . my life that. no okay. we've got one morya quickly . my life that. no okay. we've got one morya dog quickly . my life that. no okay. we've got one morya dog and quickly . my life that. no okay. we've got one morya dog and other.ly . my life that. no okay. we've got one morya dog and other animals. fe was a dog and other animals. paul was a dog and other animals. paul. oh yes. of course. um, daily stuff. yes, yes. sorry about that. um man who became dog inspired . those who want to dog inspired. those who want to live as birds and gorillas. insiders says. and it's not even meant as a pun because he is inside a costume . the company inside a costume. the company who made this incredibly realistic. so realistic. yeah i mean, look, look at that. tell mean, look, look at that. tell me you don't think that's a dog. thatis me you don't think that's a dog. that is a man that's a trans dog. trans dogs are dogs. look at that . i'm gonna say the at that. i'm gonna say the i don't know what his back legs are doing that is quite impressive in that respect. yes yes. that's. yeah. and there's no scale there. elshamy is on all fours. he's not stood up just at the front of it. i think his are where the udders his knees are where the udders would but uh qatar. dogs would be. but uh qatar. dogs

have udders . would be. but uh qatar. dogs have udders. i would be. but uh qatar. dogs have udders . i still don't know have udders. i still don't know whether he lives like a collie in all respects. like you mentioned it, this story is basically one those typical basically one of those typical gb anti—trans trans stories. >> there we go. >> there we go. >> there we go. >> the show is nearly over . >> the show is nearly over. let's take another quick look at sunday's front mail on sunday's front pages. mail on sunday, a farce of gangster guns . man, we cannot deport the sunday times. venal given cbe despite horizon fears. i think we knew that the sunday telegraph uk ready to strike houthis again, says cameron, the observer red sea crisis could shatter economic recovery hopes the sunday express minister jailed post office bullies and the daily star. bur it's going to be a cold one. the beast of the north is on its way. well, that's all we have time for. thank to my guests. cox thank you to my guests. paul cox and louis schaefer. we are back tomorrow nick dixon be tomorrow when nick dixon will be joined jonathan leo joined by jonathan kogan and leo curse. will be a riot if curse. that will be a riot if you're watching at 5 am. stay tuned for breakfast. otherwise, thank us. good

night. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boiler sailors, sponsors of weather on . gb news. hello . there. >> good evening. i'm jonathan vautrey here of gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. mixture of office. we've got a mixture of variable some clear variable cloud and some clear spells to end this first half of the weekend that quite the weekend, and that is quite key of what conditions key in terms of what conditions you overnight. where key in terms of what conditions you see overnight. where key in terms of what conditions you see somenight. where key in terms of what conditions you see some of ht. where key in terms of what conditions you see some of those 1ere key in terms of what conditions you see some of those clearer you do see some of those clearer spells, temperatures could just drop touch some drop off a touch with some pockets frost developing pockets of frost developing mist and well . but and fog patches as well. but those areas that hold on to the cloud will probably see temperatures hold up temperatures just hold up slightly above freezing. many of our cities around 1 or our towns and cities around 1 or 2 c, so not a widespread frost, but still a chilly start to sunday morning. reason amount of cloud holding on for wales central england central southern england throughout well. few throughout sunday as well. a few sunny watch out for, sunny breaks to watch out for, but northern half of sunny breaks to watch out for, but uk northern half of sunny breaks to watch out for, but uk where)rthern half of sunny breaks to watch out for, but uk where we'll1 half of sunny breaks to watch out for, but uk where we'll see lf of sunny breaks to watch out for, but uk where we'll see some the uk where we'll see some slightly areas slightly more prolonged areas of sunshine. showers across sunshine. showers though across northern scotland will be falling as snow even to lower levels. combine that with some very strong winds across the

north—east very strong winds across the no driftingt and feeling very strong winds across the no drbitter: and feeling very strong winds across the no drbitter in and feeling very strong winds across the no drbitter in those! feeling very strong winds across the no drbitter in those winds,g very strong winds across the no drbitter in those winds, even very bitter in those winds, even towards the south. a fairly cold day. six seven degrees celsius. but it's that very cold arctic air in the north that's going to sweep its way southwards over the course of sunday and into monday. those blue colours covering the entirety of the uk. so some of us will certainly have to scrape the cars. the first on monday morning. have to scrape the cars. the first showers| monday morning. have to scrape the cars. the first showers willnday morning. have to scrape the cars. the first showers will be y morning. have to scrape the cars. the first showers will be continuing the showers will be continuing to push their way the to push their way into the north, primarily northern north, primarily for northern scotland, but we'll see also some snow showers for northern ireland, a for ireland, perhaps a few for the far west wales, southwest far west of wales, southwest england, as well skirting england, as well as skirting into humberside of into humberside and parts of norfolk further inland , norfolk as well further inland, widespread blue skies but deaung widespread blue skies but dealing very cold and the cold conditions continue . right. conditions continue. right. >> like things are heating >> looks like things are heating up boilers sponsors of up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on .

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