you have a lovely sunday helping you have a lovely afternoon. um, thank you for joining us this lunchtime. i'm dawn neesom, and for the next two hours, i'll be keeping you company online, and on company on tv, online, and on digital fun packed show digital radio. fun packed show for you. loads. coming up . for you. loads. coming up. starting off with the big story of the week. uh, britain could strike houthi rebels in yemen again . foreign secretary lord again. foreign secretary lord david cameron has said that if the rebel group continues to attack in the red sea, uk attack ships in the red sea, uk forces could strike back then in the coming hours , denmark will the coming hours, denmark will proclaim a new king as queen margrethe assigns a historic abdication , she will become the abdication, she will become the first danish monarch to voluntarily relinquish the throne in nearly 900 years. but what does this mean for our royals .7 is there a precedent royals? is there a precedent being set here and labour leader sir keir starmer has defended his plans for supervised tooth brushing lessons for children. is nanny statism helping to boost his odds in the general election, though . but this show

election, though. but this show is nothing without you and your views, so let me know your thoughts on all of the stories we're discussing today. email me at gb views at gb news. com or message me really simple on our socials at gb news. but first let's have a look at the news headunes let's have a look at the news headlines with the lovely aaron armstrong . armstrong. >> thanks, dawn, and a good afternoon to you. it's a minute past one. i'm aaron armstrong. the government has denied britain's aircraft carriers cannot sent to the middle cannot be sent to the middle east because of a recruitment crisis. and crisis. on thursday, the us and the multiple houthi the uk struck multiple houthi targets in yemen months of targets in yemen after months of attacks red sea. attacks in the red sea. britain's involvement entailed four flying a round four raf jets flying a round trip of more than 3000 miles from cyprus . multiple reports from cyprus. multiple reports have claimed the navy can't send its aircraft carriers to the region because of a shortage of personnel, but defence minister james cartlidge says that's not

the case. >> there is no truth whatsoever in the suggestion that we cannot deploy the carrier. i'm pleased to confirm that both our carriers are in portsmouth. they are at readiness and they are available to be deployed if needed. if the operational decision is that that is the appropriate response , it's not appropriate response, it's not true that we couldn't deploy them . i think what it is them. i think what it is focussed on is the fact that one of the support ships is about to go into an upgrade that's very common. it's in liverpool. maintenance the ship but maintenance of the ship and but we have other support ships available. meanwhile the government's facing calls for a retrospective on strikes retrospective vote on strikes against houthis . against the houthis. >> labour leader sir keir starmer says while parliamentary approval in approval should be sought in most armed interventions , there most armed interventions, there are exceptions . are exceptions. >> difference between a limited targeted operation and a sustained campaign , one usually sustained campaign, one usually involving troops on the ground involving troops on the ground in relation to the former. i think everybody understands that there are always going to be cases where in the national interest we have to act

urgently, but where there's a sustained campaign , then yes, i sustained campaign, then yes, i do think parliament should be informed , should have a debate, informed, should have a debate, should know the basis and should have the opportunity to vote . have the opportunity to vote. >> the number of migrants who died trying to cross the english channel overnight has risen to five. french officials say a small boat carrying some 70 people got into difficulties just off a beach north of the port of boulogne. a huge rescue effort took place with french maritime vessels, a helicopter and emergency services combing the area at wimereux . a further the area at wimereux. a further two migrant boats arrived in uk waters this morning and at least 100 people have been taken to dover. 100 people have been taken to dover . a record 420,000 patients dover. a record 420,000 patients had to wait more than 12 hours in a&e last year. the latest nhs england figures show 1 in 15 patients faced so—called trolley waits, which have been linked to excess deaths and increased harm. the numbers also reflect a 20% increase on 2022. lib dem

leader sir ed davey is accusing the prime minister of driving the prime minister of driving the health service into the ground . an arctic blast is ground. an arctic blast is hitting the uk, prompting weather warnings. northern scotland could see up to ten centimetres of snow today and it will be a similar scene in northern ireland tomorrow. the freezing temperatures are forecast to move further south over the course of the week, affecting parts of northern england and roads and railways likely to be disrupted , new likely to be disrupted, new analysis shows. the majority of injuries caused by e—scooter crashes go unreported. a government study has found. fewer than 10% of casualties treated at hospital have been reported to the police , as reported to the police, as private e—scooters cannot be legally ridden on roads or pavements , but they have become pavements, but they have become a common sight, particularly in cities. 11 riders and one pedestrian died in e—scooter crashes in britain in 2022, and almost 1500 people were injured that year. satnavs are to be updated with the latest driving data under a new government

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to dawn. thank you aaron. >> right. okay. shall we get straight into it today? happy sunday, by the way. i hope you have a nice chilled day. now now, britain could strike targets in yemen again . foreign targets in yemen again. foreign secretary lord david cameron has said that if the rebel group continues to attack ships in the red sea, uk forces could strike back. he said we will work with allies. we will always defend the freedom of navigation and, crucially , we will be prepared crucially, we will be prepared to back words with actions . this to back words with actions. this comes as defence secretary grant shapps told iran to urge its allies to cease and desist as the world is running out of patience . joining the world is running out of patience .joining me the world is running out of patience . joining me now the world is running out of patience .joining me now is . gb patience. joining me now is. gb news political correspondent olivia utley to bring us up to speed on this story. it's olivia utley to bring us up to speed on this story . it's really speed on this story. it's really that david cameron has said that he would be prepared to strike back again if necessary . three back again if necessary. three nine countries signed up to this strike, including, of course,

the us and there was a un security council resolution backing the strikes. the strikes are essentially vital to maintain the that shipping route, that huge shipping route, 15% of the world's trade goes through the red sea . and since through the red sea. and since october 7, since those strikes began , varne and it has been began, varne and it has been almost impossible for ships to get through there . 20% of those get through there. 20% of those ships are now having to circumnavigate the red sea altogether and go around the top of africa. what will be quite interesting is what will happen interesting is what will happen in parliament and to both the conservatives and labour. if we were to reach a situation sometime in the near future where the us wanted to strike again and the uk were to back it, the conservatives seem to be pretty much united on this. they pretty much united on this. they pretty much united on this. they pretty much all agree that striking the houthi rebels is necessary to keep that shipping route open . labour is a bit of a

route open. labour is a bit of a different story. keir starmer is a completely backed the prime minister, uh, striking those targets in the red sea. and he was okay with the prime minister doing it without the approval of parliament. the lib dems say that the prime minister should have recalled parliament on sunday evening before the strikes took place. obviously that raises the question of if parliament were to be recalled and a big debate started about this, then obviously it would alert rebels to what alert the houthi rebels to what was going on. keir starmer seems to sort of accept that and has said that he was happy with the prime minister or fine with the prime minister or fine with the prime minister or fine with the prime minister going ahead with this without parliamentary this without a parliamentary debate. those debate. but but there are those on left of his party quite on the left of his party quite a lot of labour mps who disagree with their leader on this , and with their leader on this, and they've been speaking out pretty loudly , saying that parliament loudly, saying that parliament should have been recalled, that there been a debate there should have been a debate about them about this. and some of them even that the strikes even saying that the strikes weren't or weren't proportionate or justified, is what the uk justified, which is what the uk is claiming now. at the moment,

that feels like pretty small that feels like a pretty small rebellion party. rebellion in the labour party. but happened over but we saw what happened over the, uh, starmer's stance on the israel gaza ceasefire. he said that he never said that he wanted a ceasefire and his and labour mps on the left of the party said that they did want a ceasefire that disagreement sort of rumbled under the surface for quite a long time until in the end , keir starmer a shadow end, keir starmer lost a shadow cabinet minister because of it. could that happen again later down line ? if this conflict down the line? if this conflict in the red sea escalates any further, it seems quite likely. and overall it highlights the problem keir starmer has when it comes to foreign affairs within his party on domestic issues, the labour party now seems pretty united and the most hard left of his party have either been, uh , expelled or have been, uh, expelled or have stepped down. think of jeremy corbyn or diane abbott. but on foreign affairs that that, uh, that divide within the labour party is still very much evident. and as we head further into election year and the

global situation becomes, uh , global situation becomes, uh, ever more unstable , well, it ever more unstable, well, it feels keir starmer might have some real trouble with his own backbenchers as . much. uh, okay. backbenchers as. much. uh, okay. well, let's see what my panel make of this. i'm joined by author and social cohesion expert, doctor rakib hasan and co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani . gentlemen, thank aaron bastani. gentlemen, thank you very much for joining me. afternoon. now, last week i had a married couple on here. right. okay i'm not i'm not insisting. used to get married, but they disagreed on absolutely everything, right. even good afternoon was tricky for them . afternoon was tricky for them. so i'm expecting the same fireworks from used to obviously without the marriage ceremony. is that okay? but what if we agree? >> dawn? >> dawn? >> oh , don't do that to me. >> oh, don't do that to me. >> oh, don't do that to me. >> no. >> no. >> what i don't think you've >> what if i don't think you've considered possibility ? >> 7- >> i've ? >> i've promised everybody a really hot, spicy sunday lunch. >> i think there are some subjects, actually, where the pubuc subjects, actually, where the public agrees on a hell of a

lot. >> right. okay, well, we're going to come to you first, aaron, on this one. um, obviously, david cameron has spoken overnight. the you know, we going to back down on we are not going to back down on this if the houthi rebels continue, what they're doing, we will take more action. >> you is the right >> do you think is the right thing do? thing to do? >> i think taking quote unquote action plan , a action without a plan, a strategy, objectives is a disaster. i think we've got evidence of doing that over the last 20 to 25 years. the main concern for me is actually putting uk service personnel in harm's way so flippantly . we harm's way so flippantly. we lost more than 450 people in afghanistan for a war that was pointless and that can never happen again . an and so when happen again. an and so when people say, i have reservations about what's going on in yemen, please , people watching or please, people watching or listening to this, don't just think that there badly intentioned, they don't care about the country. many of them care deeply about the country. the point is, we have 20 years of failure. afghanistan iraq, libya. if you're going to do something of this significance ,

something of this significance, doesn't mean the houthis are good people , by the way, but good people, by the way, but there's lots of bad people in there's lots of bad people in the world. the point is, we have to pick our battles. and when you battle, you have to you pick a battle, you have to win right. you should be win it, right. you should be very slow using military very slow to using military means and then be very effective and you do. we're and decisive when you do. we're very then we're very fast, but then we're indecisive . so look, i say , indecisive. so look, like i say, we've got so many poor experiences drawn over recent years well libya , i should years as well as libya, i should say particularly relevant because cameron because of course, david cameron was minister. because of course, david cameron wasyes minister. because of course, david cameron wasyes he minister. because of course, david cameron wasyes he was. minister. >> yes he was. >> we get rid of gaddafi again, not a good guy . >> we get rid of gaddafi again, not a good guy. but >> we get rid of gaddafi again, not a good guy . but libya then not a good guy. but libya then becomes the launch pad 1.5 becomes the launch pad for 1.5 million enter europe. million people to enter europe. so i worry that actually a rush towards war with yemen or in yemen , um, is not being thought yemen, um, is not being thought through. and that's not a good thing. >> okay. what do you make of this? what else? what else could we being the americans and the british and the other ten countries that are involved in what else could we do? >> well, i think that firstly, you're not going to be able to

secure more sustainable stability in the region unless there is over time, the striking of a peace settlement in relation to israel—palestine. i think that's what it truly boils down to. i agree with much of what aaron said. actually i know that that's not something that you may not want to hear. >> dawn, the other other stories , the is, i think , but the reality is, i think that people who question the effectiveness the airstrikes that people who question the effebeing ess the airstrikes that people who question the effebeing accused e airstrikes that people who question the effe being accused e ebeing es that people who question the effebeing accused e ebeing ,; that people who question the effebeing accused e ebeing , um, are being accused of being, um, anti—british, patriotic. >> i don't think that's correct at all. the reality is, over the last few decades, there have been a of foreign policy been a number of foreign policy disasters made by the british political establishment. and i think that the objective of think that if the objective of the airstrikes is to secure freedom of navigation, a free flow of trade , i think it might flow of trade, i think it might actually have the unintended effects. >> it might have the opposite effect in a sense. and i think the key for me is that we don't underestimate the houthi rebels . underestimate the houthi rebels. >> i think it's very important to understand that over time, saudi arabia has looked to obliterate the houthi rebels in yemen, on for that's been yemen, going on for that's been going on for some time now.

>> i understand the objectives are different. >> ultimately looking >> we're ultimately looking to degrade their capability in terms of launching missiles, operating in the red sea operating drones in the red sea region. but all i'll say is don't underestimate their operational capability and also iran's willingness to continue to offer them with considerable logistical support, because i and it didn't seem to work. >> in any case, after we launched the first attack on friday night, houthis then friday night, the houthis then fired missile drone fired another missile or a drone attack on a ship that was carrying russian oil. thankfully, it missed, but it doesn't seem to be having the deterrent effect. yeah, that that that , sir, um, david that that, sir, um, david cameron and president biden hope. >> i mean, look, this is a country incredibly different to the uk . this is a country with the uk. this is a country with an average age of 19. it has a revolutionary government. they've just come out of a war where 350,000 people died. so i wonder, like the idea that, oh, well , we'll wonder, like the idea that, oh, well, we'll we'll drone strike and we'll use some precision guided missiles on 60 sites that will stop them. you know, when you have a government, a revolutionary government emerging war where more

emerging from a war where more than a third of a million people have died? actually, it takes quite a lot to disincentivise this kind of behaviour. now, i'm not saying you don't try. i'm not saying you don't try. i'm not saying you don't try. i'm not saying don't bother. i'm not saying any of that. but you definitely need a plan. i don't think we have that. >> you don't think we have a plan? i don't think so. i always thought military strategy was is basically go into basically if you go into something, an exit plan. do something, have an exit plan. do you have an exit plan? you think we have an exit plan? >> doesn't that doesn't seem >> it doesn't that doesn't seem to case in my and to be the case in my view. and i found a lot of the messaging from both united states and from both the united states and the mixed. uh, they the uk quite mixed. uh, they launched strikes then launched air strikes and then they oh, but we don't want they said, oh, but we don't want to escalation conflict. i to escalation of conflict. i think extremely think that sounds extremely contradictory me. contradictory to me. >> problem with this >> the problem is with this gentleman the fact that the gentleman is the fact that the alternative to taking action is to and negotiate . but how do to try and negotiate. but how do you negotiate with groups like the houthis or with hamas, who literally their slogan is god is the greatest, death to america, death to israel, and a curse on the jews. how do you even begin

negotiating with people that have that viewpoint? aaron. it's a really great question. >> and, you know, there are lessons, i think, to be learned from the cold war. what we tried to west tried to to do, what the west tried to do. wasn't around back then. do. i wasn't around back then. well, the tried to well, the west tried to do. >> by the young man, >> why, by the way, young man, no, i was around for the tail end, for not the hot stuff. >> you know what the west tried to um, was really finesse. to do, um, was really finesse. people viewed potentially people it viewed as potentially favourable or amenable to its interests its arguments. favourable or amenable to its inte|i sts its arguments. favourable or amenable to its inte|i just its arguments. favourable or amenable to its inte|i just feel its arguments. favourable or amenable to its inte|i just feel its that ments. favourable or amenable to its inte|i just feel its that kind s. and i just feel like that kind of statecraft , it's almost of statecraft, it's almost like we've forgotten do it. we've forgotten how to do it. you who who in iranian you know who who in the iranian regime is dove who is less regime is a dove who is less hawkish on foreign policy, who is perhaps more amenable to the continued existence of the state of israel? who would you know, be willing to draw back these these tentacles that has in various other countries in the region, iraq, yemen, syria, lebanon , afghanistan, you know, lebanon, afghanistan, you know, and those questions aren't asked. >> and i think it's almost like we have this muscle memory of the 1990s where because because you had the collapse of the soviet union and, of course,

many politicians grew up in this era politically. >> it makes sense, you know, >> so it makes sense, you know, you can what you want, where you can do what you want, where you can do what you want, where you when want. that you want, when you want. that isn't world that isn't the world anymore. that doesn't do anything. doesn't mean don't do anything. it doesn't mean your cowed and timid. have a timid. but you have to be a little more thoughtful about little bit more thoughtful about the um, violence and the use of, um, violence and military means. and don't military means. and i don't think we're that, you think we're seeing that, you know, us is less than three know, the us is less than three years ago that they pulled out of the most of afghanistan in the most extraordinarily haphazard way. that was terrifying , crazy. you that was terrifying, crazy. you know, it was middle of summer people on their summer holidays or the lawn, watching the or mowing the lawn, watching the cricket, whatever. and cricket, whatever. yeah. and you see people clinging see footage of people clinging to planes as they take with to planes as they take off with us. service personnel. this is less years ago. it's less than three years ago. it's not ago. and yet we've not 25 years ago. and yet we've already got people saying maybe let's start similar in let's start something similar in yemen cannot get my head yemen. i cannot get my head around people saying that, around the people saying that, including you know, including people like, you know, john um , the former john bolton or, um, the former israeli prime minister is saying that should go to war that the us should go to war with i cannot understand with iran. i cannot understand it. >> we have to move on. raki, one final question to you . a lot of final question to you. a lot of viewers listeners get in

viewers and listeners get in touch and saying, why are we getting involved? is really getting involved? this is really scary . do you getting involved? this is really scary. do you think this will escalate to involve involve even boots on the ground? maybe >> well, i think that the conflict is becoming well and truly regional. there's no two ways about that. but the reality is that our military is not in the best shape, and we have a navy recruitment crisis in the uk as well. so this really uk as well. so this isn't really the time the uk to be the time for the uk to be wrapped up an escalation of wrapped up in an escalation of conflict the middle east conflict in the middle east region. yeah >> absolutely. and we do >> no, absolutely. and we do have unfortunately have to move on. unfortunately thank for that. thank you very much for that. our, um, now for all the best analysis, even better than these two. opinion that two. possibly an opinion on that story you can go story and much more. you can go to website gbnews.com. you to our website gbnews.com. you are watching and listening to gb news with me dawn neesom. news sunday with me dawn neesom. lots more coming on today's lots more coming up on today's show, including the other big story of the week, the post office scandal, which is continuing. uh, lord david cameron, insisted cameron, him again has insisted that cannot remember that he cannot remember receiving a detailed briefing about the horizon scandal when he was prime minister. that blame game continues, doesn't

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sunday with me dawn neesom on your tv, online and on digital radio. >> now lots of you have been sending in your messages and your thoughts, so please do carry on doing that. a lot of reaction the houthi strikes reaction on the houthi strikes and david comments david cameron's overnight cameron's comments overnight that to carry on that we are going to carry on regardless. uh, anthony good afternoon don't afternoon anthony says why don't western powers will threaten by iran iran and help the iran go into iran and help the many people who wish to overthrow present regime? overthrow the present regime? that us. that sounds a bit scary to us. going another country, and going into another country, and i think we've tried that, haven't we? uh, meanwhile, leon says, i'm fascinated we can says, i'm fascinated that we can please the stretch of water 3000 miles away, and yet we can't stop our own country from being invaded. leon's words, not mine. by invaded. leon's words, not mine. by we want. you're by people we don't want. you're not the first person to say that, leon. a lot of messages coming like that. and chris. um, good afternoon, chris says lord, david cameron be david cameron needs to be reminded of desire , oestrus, reminded of his desire, oestrus, foreign errors and the foreign policy errors and the damage has done the forces damage he has done to the forces as my brilliant palace had as both my brilliant palace had mentioned along with successive tory leaders , not just tory tory leaders, not just tory leaders, uh, most political

persuasions over the past have not covered themselves in glory, have they? thank you all for those messages. keep those messages. do keep them coming now, other big coming in. now, the other big story, office scandal, story, the post office scandal, blame continues. david blame game continues. uh, david cameron a lot this cameron mentioned a lot this morning already. uh, revealed this morning that he cannot remember receiving a detailed briefing about the horizon scandal while he was pm. this comes as union leaders accuse the government of failing to act on the lessons from the scandal. so let's see what my panel make of this. they are having a bit of this. they are having a bit of a hug fest here at the moment. i was hoping for a hotter sunday lunch and they're giving me, um, we are going to come to you first. i think, on this one, ricky. now this is i just, was i was with a lady just, i was i was with a lady this morning, a postmistress who, um, um , was involved in who, um, um, was involved in this, and she was sent to prison while she was expecting her first child. and she. you just can't imagine what she went through. and completely innocent . so what do you make of this, this blame game now? mean , this blame game now? i mean, we've one hand, sir ed

we've got on one hand, sir ed davey saying people to me. davey saying people lied to me. we've got david cameron saying, i don't remember the what do you make it? meanwhile innocent people suffering . oh ho. 110. >> no. >> absolutely. and it seems like there seems to be some kind of collective memory loss going on and that just the sort of, uh, you know, shifting response ability and indeed shedding accountability city. that seems to general response among to be the general response among many within our political establishment. prosecute establishment. these prosecute lines from 1999 to 2015. so that includes a decade of new labour as well as the conservative liberal democrat coalition. so this is a problem that spans the mainstream political parties . mainstream political parties. this is one scandal that's really angered me. if truth be told, yes . and we're talking told, yes. and we're talking about four people actually committed suicide. more many of these people, they took great pride in their profession, community based, providing that those services to their local community. and there's even, um, stories where they lost all

their friends , you know, the their friends, you know, the shame that they felt being accused, wrongly accused as well. >> people were spat at in the street in community, those that lived in their entire lives spat at by people who thought they were their pensions. were stealing their pensions. no, remarkable. no, absolutely remarkable. >> i just find it incredibly >> and i just find it incredibly where we one of the post where we had one of the post office fraud investigator was looking the horizon. it looking into the horizon. it system say that he wasn't technically minded. stephen bradshaw, you're not technically minded. why on earth are you doing being the post office fraud investigator looking into the horizon system? the incredible thing, aaron, with this is we know all about the victims and your heart aches for every single one of them who are still suffering. >> the £75,000 compensation >> and the £75,000 compensation offered to postmasters is equal to former boss paula vennells monthly , by the way. um, monthly salary, by the way. um, but no one has actually really apologised. no and no one is being held to account. still no. >> well, sorry seems to be the hardest word. >> oh gosh. >> oh gosh. >> as elton john put it, you know, it is an extraordinary

story because the people that were punished were the best of this country. yeah, the very best. and people like ed davey can lied to. well, can say i was lied to. well, that's not good enough. you chose believe them . chose to believe them. >> who were you lied to? yeah. name names? >> who were you lied to? yeah. naryeah.mes? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> you public official . >> you were a public official. all your job is not to believe all yourjob is not to believe this person. it's to get this or that person. it's to get to the and look out for to the truth and look out for the people who put you in your job. and i don't think enough mps look at things like that. and it's james and credit where it's due. james arbuthnot, tory mp. arbuthnot, who was a tory mp. they get much good press they don't get much good press these oh, don't go on. >> um, go on, go for it. >> they don't get much good press from people like me. but i have be honest, he sounds have to be honest, he sounds like an extraordinary man. and he very thing, he did a very simple thing, which not be entirely which is to not be entirely credulous, to very powerful people. almost people. this seems almost like a superpower for people at westminster. it's almost like, you you should in you know, you should be in a marvel comic hero because you don't believe what don't just believe what rich, powerful tell you . so i, powerful people tell you. so i, i think there's a lot of blame to go around the lib dems ed davey jo swinson, labour there

was a great story out. peter mandelson was saying you had two advisers to blair when this comes out right in 1999, geoff mulgan . says, who's a blair mulgan. says, who's a blair advisor. there are some seeming problems with this system . i'm problems with this system. i'm not so sure. mandelson goes, oh , not so sure. mandelson goes, oh, we don't want to create political issues around fujitsu, blah blah blah blah. all blah blah, blah blah blah. all could have been avoided. so there much blame to go there is so much blame to go around you say, around and yet, like you say, nobody apologising . nobody is apologising. >> the astonishing thing >> no. and the astonishing thing is that fujitsu are still being handed government contracts . handed government contracts. i mean, 355 million running the brexit border in the irish sea. they're running the computer system in northern ireland schools. good luck with that one kids. and flood defences as well. billions >> it's absolutely remarkable. and what's also interesting is there forensic that there was a forensic report that was 2014, which was published in 2014, which said horizon system is said that the horizon system is not for purpose. the not fit for purpose. the prosecutions continued , and prosecutions continued, and after that, 2015, yes, even after that, 2015, yes, even after the publication of that forensic report . absolutely remarkable. >> so, i mean, we have so >> so, i mean, all we have so far our paula vennells

far is our paula vennells handing back her cbe . um, handing back her cbe. um, marvellous. well done . should, marvellous. well done. should, should they face harsher punishment ? should they face harsher punishment? i mean, should i mean you know, they've still got their pensions, they've still got their bonuses, they've got all the money they earn, whereas you know, the victims in this, um, lost in some cases, in four cases their lives . should there cases their lives. should there be i mean, should sir ed davey should paula vennells should they face harsher punishments on this one? aaron. well i think ed davey certainly shouldn't be leading a political party. >> know, a very real >> you know, there's a very real possibility that he'll be in a government of some kind at the next election. i mean, right now it like labour win a it looks like labour will win a large majority, it's large ish majority, but it's perfectly possible. it's a labour lib dem coalition or a tory lib dem coalition. less likely. he could be deputy >> well, he could be deputy prime >> well, he could be deputy priryeah, precisely. and somebody >> well, he could be deputy prirythis precisely. and somebody >> well, he could be deputy prirythis lackisely. and somebody >> well, he could be deputy prirythis lack of. y. and somebody >> well, he could be deputy prirythis lack of. i and somebody >> well, he could be deputy prirythis lack of. i was somebody >> well, he could be deputy prirythis lack of. i was being body with this lack of. i was being lied to. i don't want him to be the deputy minister here. the deputy prime minister here. um, is what worries me so um, that is what worries me so much, just the much, actually, is just the inability politicians to inability of our politicians to think critically about this stuff. and the fujitsu point is so they're

so important that they're still being and being given contracts. yeah and where's, you know, where's the accountability and scrutiny ? we accountability and scrutiny? we hear these words all the time, by the way. accountability scrutiny it's like the scrutiny. it's almost like the more that politicians use these words, less they mean. yes. words, the less they mean. yes. you never used to use you know, they never used to use those years ago. those words 40, 50 years ago. but did the wrong thing, but if you did the wrong thing, you'd on sword. it you'd fall on your sword. it doesn't happen now . doesn't happen now. >> mean, especially i >> yeah. i mean, especially i mean, look, ed is not mean, look, sir, ed davey is not here speak for himself. i here to speak for himself. i wish was. i wish he would wish he was. i wish he would come and explain. but it's come in and explain. but it's not happen, is it? not going to happen, is it? unfortunately he, um. i unfortunately he, um. but, i mean, he he he's the one that mean, he he he he's the one that was in charge at the time. um, and actually refused to meet and he actually refused to meet alan bates. alan bates wrote to him five times saying, you need to there's an issue to talk to us. there's an issue here. he and ed davey said, here. and he and ed davey said, i don't think it's really necessary . necessary. >> no, absolutely. and i would have at time, have expected that. at the time, he the postal affairs he was the postal affairs minister. exercise some critical thinking, look why is thinking, maybe look into why is this is this actually going this why is this actually going on in terms these hundreds of on in terms of these hundreds of prosecutions of subpostmasters? it didn't seem to show any kind of initiative at all. and he

didn't seem particularly interested . and what's very interested. and what's very interesting is i think interesting for me is i think this really shows more generally we a culture here where we have a culture here where i don't we're robust enough don't think we're robust enough when comes tackling white when it comes to tackling white collar actually collar criminality. i actually think is think the united states is actually in this actually far stronger in this domain. and i think that if it's found that individuals within the post office and fujitsu deliberately covered up the faults and associated with the honzon faults and associated with the horizon system , need horizon it system, we need to see criminal prosecutions . see criminal prosecutions. >> in my view, heads must roll right? okay. a liberal right? okay. now, a liberal democrat, a democrat spokesperson, uh , liberal spokesperson, uh, liberal democrat spokesperson has this to say. in response, ed bitterly regrets that the post office were not honest with him at the time . his were not honest with him at the time. his heart were not honest with him at the time . his heart goes out to the time. his heart goes out to the families caught up this families caught up in this miscarriage justice and he miscarriage of justice and he will fully cooperate with the inquiry to to the bottom of inquiry to get to the bottom of what wrong . okay, you're what went wrong. okay, you're watching and listening to gb news sunday with me. dawn neesom plenty more coming up on today's show now all eyes are on denmark as it's about to proclaim a new king. as queen margrethe signs a

historic abdication. but first, let's have a look at the news headunes let's have a look at the news headlines with aaron armstrong . headlines with aaron armstrong. >> it's 132. headlines with aaron armstrong. >> it's132. i'm aaron headlines with aaron armstrong. >> it's 132. i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom. the government's denied britain's aircraft carriers can't be sent to the middle east because of a recruitment crisis. the us and uk struck multiple targets in yemen on thursday after months of houthi attacks on ships in the red sea. britain's involvement entailed for raf jets flying a round trip of more than 3000 miles from cyprus. multiple reports have claimed the navy can't send its aircraft carriers to the region because of a shortage of personnel, but defence ministerjames of a shortage of personnel, but defence minister james cartlidge says that's not the case. there is no truth whatsoever in the suggestion that we cannot deploy the carrier. >> i'm pleased to confirm both our carriers are in portsmouth. they are at readiness and they are available to be deployed if needed. are available to be deployed if needed . if the operational needed. if the operational decision is that that is the

appropriate response . meanwhile appropriate response. meanwhile the foreign secretary has warned the foreign secretary has warned the houthis of further strikes in yemen if attacks in the red sea continue to. >> lord cameron says the uk has sent an unambiguous message but will continue to back words with action, writing in the telegraph, he says disruption in the red sea threatens vital supply chains, which could force up prices in britain . five up prices in britain. five migrants are now known to have died . trying to cross the died. trying to cross the engush died. trying to cross the english channel overnight. french officials say a small boat carrying up to 70 people got into difficulties just off a beach north of the port of boulogne. a further two migrant boats arrive uk waters boats did arrive in uk waters this at least 100 people this morning at least 100 people have dover , and have been taken to dover, and denmark now has a new king, with frederic the 10th taking the throne, succeeding his mother, queen margrethe . she formally queen margrethe. she formally abdicated after 52 years as monarch , and some live pictures

monarch, and some live pictures for you from copenhagen , where for you from copenhagen, where huge crowds have gathered to witness the historic event at king frederick's australian born wife, mary is now queen and their eldest son, christian, will be the new heir to the throne . more on all of our throne. more on all of our stories, as always, are available on our website gbnews.com . gbnews.com. >> thank you very much, aaron. lots more coming up on today's show. uh sir keir starmer has defended his party's plans for supervised toothbrushing for children. critics have accused labour of wanting to create a nanny state. but could his plan for dentistry reduce the strain on the nhs? but should we have a look at what the weather is doing first? important on that sunday afternoon? here's jonathan with all your details. hello there. >> i'm jonathan vautrey here of your news forecast your gb news weather forecast provided by the office. an provided by the met office. an

increasing seeing some increasing chance of seeing some snow next few days for snow over the next few days for some of us, we've already seen snow in areas of snow showers in to areas of northern scotland sunday, and northern scotland on sunday, and they throughout northern scotland on sunday, and theyevening throughout northern scotland on sunday, and theyevening andthroughout northern scotland on sunday, and theyevening and overnight, this evening and overnight, increasing pushing into increasing though pushing into parts northern ireland as parts of northern ireland as well. risk well. and that brings the risk of stretches where well. and that brings the risk of showers retches where well. and that brings the risk of showers are 1es where well. and that brings the risk of showers are fallingere well. and that brings the risk of showers are falling on those showers are falling on frozen . for us, frozen surfaces. for all of us, though, it is going to be a very cold night. widely frosty across all areas of the uk, even towns and cities dropping as low as minus minus degrees minus two minus three degrees celsius. certainly may celsius. so you certainly may need to scrape the car first thing on monday morning. the chances seeing on monday chances of seeing snow on monday is all about those areas that are northerly are exposed to the northerly breeze. northern breeze. so again, northern scotland , northern ireland few scotland, northern ireland a few sleet for western wales, sleet showers for western wales, south—west perhaps south—west england and perhaps some skirting coast of some skirting eastern coast of yorkshire norfolk as yorkshire down to norfolk as well. inland it is going well. further inland it is going to dry, but with widespread to be dry, but with widespread sunshine the board still sunshine across the board still feeling very cold though temperatures around one two degrees best, but degrees celsius at best, but feeling subfreezing your feeling subfreezing with your exposed to very brisk easterly wind along those coast. there on tuesday, our attention turns to this feature that's going to start pushing its into the

start pushing its way into the northwest moves into the northwest as it moves into the cold air ahead of it. that does bnng cold air ahead of it. that does bring the risk some further bring the risk of some further snowfall, for snowfall, particularly for central of scotland down central areas of scotland down across the pennines. but parts of northern ireland, be across the pennines. but parts ofbitirthern ireland, be across the pennines. but parts ofbit more] ireland, be across the pennines. but parts ofbit more of �*eland, be across the pennines. but parts ofbit more of a and, be across the pennines. but parts ofbit more of a transient be across the pennines. but parts ofbit more of a transient rain, a bit more of a transient rain, snow feature and then eventually into northern into other areas of northern england well . southern areas england as well. southern areas staying drier but the theme staying drier but the cold theme persists throughout the persists right throughout the coming . by. coming week. by. by. >> thank you very much, jonathan, and welcome back to gb news sunday with me. dawn neesom on your tv , online and on on your tv, online and on digital radio. now, lots of you have been sending in your thoughts. please do keep them coming in because this show is all about you, especially on a sunday afternoon when you're snuggled front of telly. snuggled in front of your telly. it's a bit grim outside on the houthis, a big conversation, this um victor. good this one, um, victor. good afternoon, victor says we're already involved. they've already involved. they've already bombed ships. the already bombed our ships. the only is to give and only choice is to give in and take another route or attack their facilities . i yeah, i

their facilities. i yeah, i mean, it's not easy to see a route through this one, is it? meanwhile matthew says, i think people are missing the point. the objective was to stop and degrade the houthi attacks in the objective was to stop and deg red the houthi attacks in the objective was to stop and deg red sea, houthi attacks in the objective was to stop and deg red sea, notthi attacks in the objective was to stop and deg red sea, not sortttacks in the objective was to stop and deg red sea, not sort out

and that parents should maybe be teaching their own kids to clean their teeth . joining me now is their teeth. joining me now is dental surgeon doctor nilesh parmar , to explain what exactly parmar, to explain what exactly is going on here. thank you very much for joining is going on here. thank you very much forjoining us this much for joining us this afternoon . um, what do you make afternoon. um, what do you make of labour's plans for supervised tooth brushing? >> hi, dawn. thanks for having me on the show today. it's great that it's actually brought to the forefront the problem that we have is that we have got almost 40 to 50,000 children per year being put under general anaesthesia to have teeth removed, which obviously isn't something that's acceptable . something that's acceptable. >> however, i'm a little bit concerned as to the plan that they've come out with or the details of the plan that they've come out with, which details of the plan that they've come outwith, which is super sized tooth brushing in schools . sized tooth brushing in schools. um, if you look at, from the dental perspective, tooth brushing should be done in the morning and in the evening. and it's our belief that this responsibility should lie with the parents as opposed to putting that responsibility on

the shoulders of teachers who already have a lot to do . already have a lot to do. >> mhm. >> mhm. >> i was i was shocked to learn that this was the most common reason for children to be admitted to hospital, but then i did a bit of um looking around on this and it, it turns out that 80% of nhs dentists are not taking children onto their books at the moment. >> we have a huge crisis of >> yes, we have a huge crisis of nhs dentistry and we've been talking about that. >> and i think i've been talking about this on tv shows for about 5 or 6 years. as long as i can remember, we don't have enough funding. we've lost so many dentists to new dentists to australia, to new zealand, america. and zealand, to america. and also after covid a huge after covid we had a huge proportion of the dental workforce retire . and workforce retire. and post—brexit . a lot of the nhs post—brexit. a lot of the nhs dentists were from europe and a lot of them just went home. so speaking as a dental practice owner, what is the one thing we struggle is recruiting nhs struggle with is recruiting nhs dentists. >> so rather than um, basically .

>> so rather than um, basically. be brushing around . the edges, be brushing around. the edges, if i can say that with this plan, um, should we be just concentrating on sorting out the dental service in this country? i mean, 90% of adults can't get an nhs dentist at the moment. >> exactly . and the government >> exactly. and the government has sort of paid lip service to it for the last ten years. they when they brought in a new nhs dentistry contract, which wasn't really well supported by the dentists, it's essentially made many, dentists, especially many, many dentists, especially younger they younger dentists once they qualify, want to qualify, they no longer want to work the health service. and work in the health service. and what is a complete what we need is a complete restructuring nhs dentistry. restructuring of nhs dentistry. how dentary provided and how the dentary is provided and one you need to be one thing that you need to be aware provision aware of, there's no provision for prevention nhs dentistry. for prevention in nhs dentistry. so of i see an nhs so in terms of if i see an nhs patient if i spend an hour patient and if i spend an hour with them, let's say going through oral hygiene instruction, telling them not to smoke, their smoke, looking after their health, provision health, there's no provision in the to do the actual nhs contract to do that. provision is actually that. the provision is actually drilling teeth, the drilling the teeth, taking the teeth that to me is a teeth out and that to me is a big issue. >> sounds mad. so

>> that sounds mad. so basically, i your dentists basically, i mean, your dentists aren't do that. aren't expected to do that. whereas when a going whereas when i was a kid going to dentist that you to the dentist that that you were that sort of stuff by were told that sort of stuff by your dentist. yeah. >> so we the if you look at how dentists are remunerated, a lot of remuneration focuses on of the remuneration focuses on actually dentistry. so actually doing dentistry. so invasive teeth actually doing dentistry. so invazdoing teeth actually doing dentistry. so invazdoing root teeth actually doing dentistry. so invazdoing root canals teeth actually doing dentistry. so invazdoing root canals and aeth out, doing root canals and fillings. emphasis on fillings. but the emphasis on actually prevention to give actually prevention to and give you would is say if you what i would do is say if you what i would do is say if you want to bring schools into it, don't you bring back it, why don't you bring back school dentists? why don't you send hygienists or nurses who are at teaching children are so good at teaching children how to brush teeth, send how to brush their teeth, send them into schools and let them teach children how to brush teach the children how to brush their surely their teeth properly? surely that better than that would be much better than a teacher got so much else teacher who's got so much else to to learn how to to do. having to learn how to show children how to brush their teeth. it's not within their remit. >> absolutely. should >> quite. absolutely. i should be teaching english and maths and stuff that. and complicated stuff like that. doctor neil palmer, thank you very absolutely very much for that. absolutely incredible. story has incredible. and this story has been shocking to me. come to you first on this one. what do you make of labour's plans? well first, teachers telling kids how to brush their teeth . to brush their teeth. >> and were talking about

>> and you were talking about the state. i mean, i think the nanny state. i mean, i think i quite like grandmothers . the nanny state. i mean, i think i quite like grandmothers. um, as a side point, though, look, this is what are you going with this is what are you going with this one, by the way? >> you're not having a wayne rooney moment here. oh, no. certainly not. >> i think they're wonderful, you know, wonderful people. normally would say normally what i would say is, and is it's good to and this is why it's good to talk, the way, the feedback talk, by the way, the feedback just then about it makes more sense is go into sense for hygiene is to go into schools and, first time i've schools and, uh, first time i've heard that argument, couldn't agree more. and it's agree more. and that's why it's really to talk. what i really good to talk. what i would is, look, there's would say is, look, there's a few interesting points here. firstly for young firstly nhs provision for young people for people has collapsed for the reasons said our, nhs reasons he said our, our nhs dentists went private. okay, we can the whatever is can pay the whatever it is £3,540 an appointment. but if you're a struggling couple earning 40, grand a year, earning say 40, 50 grand a year, not even bad money, but you're 3 or kids, that's big overhead or 4 kids, that's a big overhead all sudden, which you all of a sudden, which you haven't budgeted for. and i think need actually think we need to actually address this at the root, address this issue at the root, i'm not. >> oh, that's even worse than mine . mine. >> it's almost as bad, i think, but not quite as bad. okay. and

i think i'm not opposed to the idea this happening in idea of this happening in schools, i think makes schools, but i think it makes more sense hygienists. and more sense with hygienists. and i it for itself i think if it pays for itself and if makes money, the kids and if it makes money, the kids themselves shouldn't punished themselves shouldn't be punished for be poor parents. >> right? unfortunately, we're running out time. god is such a brilliant debate though, as well . rikki neave coming to you quickly now . keir starmer and quickly now. keir starmer and labour seem to be very firmly laying the blame at the conservative government. it's your fault. it's getting worse. it's actually getting worse. it's not actually getting worse. it's not actually getting worse. it's improved slightly. um, but cancer research estimate teenage boys these days are drinking a bath of fizzy every bath full of fizzy drink every yeah bath full of fizzy drink every year. surely dire. there bath full of fizzy drink every yea otherzly dire. there bath full of fizzy drink every yea other issues dire. there bath full of fizzy drink every yea other issues at 'e. there bath full of fizzy drink every yea other issues at play there bath full of fizzy drink every yea other issues at play here. re are other issues at play here. it's just bad government. it's not just bad government. >> absolutely. i think that >> no, absolutely. i think that i shared, doctor nilesh's i shared, uh, doctor nilesh's view you know, this should view that, you know, this should ultimately parental ultimately be about parental responsibility. but aaron also makes when it makes a very good point when it comes encouraging . no, no, comes to encouraging. no, no, but, but but we have to we have to talk about economic deprivation. if there's poorer families, the ultimately families, if the ultimately relying high sugar content relying on high sugar content foods which tend to be cheaper

generally in the supermarkets, then that might have a negative impact the dental health of impact on the dental health of their children. so think we their children. so i think we really need to this this comes down to our economic model at the of the day, to what the end of the day, to what extent are being paid extent people are being paid proper where they could proper wages where they could buy products, which would actually healthier for their actually be healthier for their children need to children as well. so we need to have a slightly broader discussion, in my view. yeah unfortunately, we don't have time have broader time to have a broader discussion at moment, but discussion at the moment, but maybe can come this one. >> uh, lots more coming up on today's show, though, a jamaican gangster, a jamaican gangster gunman deportation after gunman avoided deportation after a mutiny by airline passengers. home a mutiny by airline passengers. honcriticised the of has criticised the actions of the ba passengers, them the ba passengers, calling them misguided informed do misguided and ill informed do gooders . all of that and much gooders. all of that and much more to come . gooders. all of that and much more to come. i'm dawn gooders. all of that and much more to come . i'm dawn neesom. more to come. i'm dawn neesom. you're watching and listening to gb news britain's news channel. see you

eamonn and isabel monday to thursdays from six till 930. >> uh, welcome back to gb news sunday with me. dawn neesom on your tv, online and on that their digital radio. now now, home secretary james cleverly has criticised ill informed do gooders who blocked deportations after an airline passenger revolt blocked the deportation of a criminal gangster. uh, this is the front page of the mail on sunday. today, um, a mutiny by passengers on a ba flight at gatwick airport back in november

. stop the deportation of 27 year old lawrence morgan on the new part of the story. as we now know who this chap is, mr morgan's criminal record included two serious gun crimes and hard drug convictions. last night, secretary said and hard drug convictions. last nig must secretary said and hard drug convictions. last nig must be secretary said and hard drug convictions. last nig must be able secretary said and hard drug convictions. last nigmust be able to :retary said and hard drug convictions. last nigmust be able to remove .aid we must be able to remove offenders from our country without interference from misguided and ill informed. do good. so let's see. i mean, it's a it's a it's a perfect mail on sunday story. you're going to sort of if you're a mail reader, choke on your cornflakes over this one because it is annoying isn't it. but let's see what my wonderful panel maker, this one, come to you first on this one, ricky. i mean, i must admit i read this story this morning and i thought, what what what is going wrong here? that that men like um, here costing like this, um, are here costing us fortunes and human rights is. it's again. it's human rights again. >> absolutely. i mean, >> no, no, absolutely. i mean, i've said for some time that our existing human rights framework, um, prioritise um, it tends to prioritise the rights who rights of those who clearly can't, respect rule of can't, um, respect the rule of law. and it doesn't do a good

job of protecting the law abiding in the country. abiding majority in the country. and i think that when it comes to talking about being a self—governing, um, sovereign nafion self—governing, um, sovereign nation state, the government absolutely should have the right to deport, especially criminals , to deport, especially criminals, that serious firearm related offences . um, also criminal offences. um, also criminal offences. um, also criminal offences associated with hard drugs. it's quite remarkable that people are looking to obstruct the deportation of such a dangerous individual. >> i mean, the mail on sunday understands the government have been attempting to kick mr morgan out of the country since 2018 to be faced with a string of human rights challenges from his lawyers. now mr morgan is understood to be part of a gang. you might remember this story , you might remember this story, understood to be part of a gang affiliated to fearsome affiliated to the fearsome johnson crew in in birmingham . johnson crew in in birmingham. and the rivalry led to a turf war that ended with the deaths of two innocent young women. letitia shakespeare and charlene ellis were caught in the crossfire. remember this story really because beautiful

really well because beautiful young women just minding their own . business um, young women just minding their own. business um, and we young women just minding their own . business um, and we still own. business um, and we still have trouble deporting people like this. there is something going seriously wrong here, isn't there, aaron? well i don't think he should be on a flight with regular commercial passengers jamaica. with regular commercial paslangers jamaica. with regular commercial pasi findrs jamaica. with regular commercial pasi find this jamaica. with regular commercial pasi find this a jamaica. with regular commercial pasi find this a reallyamaica. with regular commercial pasi find this a really strange >> i find this a really strange practice. understand practice. i don't understand why you just wait six months you can't just wait six months or a year if you've got six, seven, eight people to take to the indies or to jamaica to the west indies or to jamaica to charter a plane, i don't think it's fair on the people who are on a plane to see this. there was of jemmy was a case of jemmy mubenga a few years ago was being few years ago who was being deported, and he was restrained by g deported, and he was restrained by 6 force by i think it was 6 force personnel on a on a flight like this. nobody got involved or intervened. they killed him and so plane where so people were on a plane where this was killed by force this man was killed by 6 force security guards, not intentionally . no. they were intentionally. no. they were trying and then, trying to pacify him. and then, you he'd passed away. i you know, he'd passed away. i just it. you're going just find it. so you're going on houday just find it. so you're going on holiday jamaica, then you holiday to jamaica, and then you have chaotic as have something as chaotic as this. the first point. this. so that's the first point. it's just very strange practice to secondly he's not to me. secondly he's not a naturalised citizen. that's naturalised uk citizen. that's the the point. so the that's the main point. so

it's somebody is having it's not like somebody is having their withdrawn their rights withdrawn as a citizen. uk national. citizen. he's not a uk national. and what for me is so and what what for me is so critical here is dawn. he went to and then he got to prison and then he got involved in shooting. it's involved in this shooting. it's not you . do one bad thing. not like you. do one bad thing. so i think and maybe this isn't particularly popular with the audience that's watching and listening. i think everybody deserves a second chance. okay. with is with some exceptions, is obviously paedophilia or obviously child paedophilia or an violent crime. um, an incredibly violent crime. um, but generally speaking, but i think generally speaking, if uk national if somebody is not a uk national and get in a fight outside and they get in a fight outside and they get in a fight outside a done gbh a pub and they get done for gbh and they go to prison for a month or two, i don't think they're necessarily a bad person. they their taxes, person. if they pay their taxes, work a second work hard, give them a second chance. something like this gentleman is very, chance. something like this gent different. is very, chance. something like this gent different. um, is very, chance. something like this gent different. um, repeat ry, very different. um, repeat offender, crimes. offender, very serious crimes. he's involved in. he's being involved in. >> what mean, he >> and what about i mean, he fought because of his human fought this because of his human rights. is it time that we actually european actually looked at the european convention and convention on human rights and how we deal with it? >> oh, no. absolutely i think that we need to discuss how they could potentially be modernised . could potentially be modernised. we're talking about conventions .

we're talking about conventions. and also refugee treaties as well. they go back to the 19 early 1950s. so i think there is a strong case for modernising those conventions and treaties in order to reflect the realities of the modern world. but conservatives, they but the conservatives, they can't continuously blame the european convention on human rights. either spearhead a rights. they either spearhead a process they look to process where they look to develop, um, international support for their modernisation or there has to be discussion about withdrawing from it. >> yeah, absolutely. and that's not only case as well. there not the only case as well. there was a somali rapist who also claimed his rights were , claimed his human rights were, um, risked. about um, being risked. what about the human victims ? and human rights of his victims? and that's what seems to be forgotten in this. we had problems well. problems with that one as well. right? you watching and right? okay you are watching and listening to gb news sunday with me. dawn neesom lots more coming up on today's show. but first, oh, it's time to have a look at the weather again. brace yourself folks. here's jonathan with all that update for you. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors weather on . gb

news. >> hello there! i'm jonathan vautrey here. your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. an increasing chance of some over the of seeing some snow over the next days. for some of us, next few days. for some of us, we've already snow showers we've already seen snow showers into areas of northern scotland on persist on sunday, and they will persist throughout this evening and overnight, increasing pushing into of northern into parts of northern ireland as and brings as well. and that brings the risk stretches where risk of some icy stretches where those showers falling on those showers are falling on frozen surfaces. all of us, frozen surfaces. for all of us, though, is going be very though, it is going to be a very cold widely frosty across cold night, widely frosty across all of the uk, even towns all areas of the uk, even towns and cities dropping as low as minus two minus three degrees celsius. so you certainly may need the first need to scrape the car first thing morning. the thing on monday morning. the chances of seeing snow on monday is all about those areas that are the northerly are exposed to the northerly breeze. so again, northern scotland . northern ireland a few scotland. northern ireland a few sleet showers for western wales, south—west england and perhaps some skirting eastern coast of yorkshire norfolk as yorkshire down to norfolk as well. is going well. further inland it is going to dry, but with widespread to be dry, but with widespread sunshine across the board still feeling very though feeling very cold though temperatures around one two

degrees but degrees celsius at best, but feeling subfreezing if you're exposed very brisk easterly exposed to very brisk easterly wind those coasts . there. wind along those coasts. there. on tuesday, our attention turns to this feature that's going to start pushing its way into the northwest as it moves into the cold air ahead of it. that does bnng cold air ahead of it. that does bring the risk of some further snowfall, particularly for central areas of scotland down across parts across the pennines. for parts of northern ireland, it will be a bit more of a transient rain, snow feature and then eventually into areas of northern into other areas of northern england southern england as well. southern areas staying but the cold staying drier. but the cold theme persists right throughout theme persists right throughout the coming week. by by looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . boilers sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> thank you very much, jonathan. lots more coming up on today's show for you . uh, today's show for you. uh, frederick. uh, x 10th is now the king of denmark following the formal abdication of his mum, queen margrethe tens of thousands of danes have gathered in copenhagen to witness his historic succession . all of

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from cyprus. multiple reports have claimed. the navy can't send its carriers to the region because of a shortage of personnel, but defence minister james cartlidge says that's not the there is no truth whatsoever >> there is no truth whatsoever in suggestion that we cannot in the suggestion that we cannot deploy the carrier. i'm pleased to confirm both our carriers are in portsmouth. they are at readiness and they . are readiness and they. are available to be deployed. if needed. if the operational decision is that that is the appropriate response. >> meanwhile, the government's facing calls for a retrospective vote on strikes against the houthi cameron houthi rebels. lord cameron has warned more if warned there could be more if attacks on ships in the red sea continue. leader, sir continue. the labour leader, sir keir while keir starmer, says while parliamentary approval should be sought armed sought in most armed interventions, are exceptions. >> between been >> difference between been a limited, operation . and limited, targeted operation. and a sustained campaign, usually involving troops on the ground involving troops on the ground in relation to the former, i think everybody understands that there are always going to be cases where in the national interest we have to act urgently

, but where there's a sustained campaign, then yes, i do think parliament informed, parliament should be informed, should debate, should have a debate, should know the basis and should have the opportunity vote. know the basis and should have the the ortunity vote. know the basis and should have the the number vote. know the basis and should have the the number of vote. know the basis and should have the the number of migrants who >> the number of migrants who died to the english died trying to cross the english channel has risen to channel overnight has risen to five. french officials say a small boat carrying up to 70 people got into difficulty just off beach north of the port of off a beach north of the port of boulogne, a huge rescue effort took place with french maritime vessels, a helicopter and emergency services combing the area at wimereux. emergency services combing the area at wimereux . a further two area at wimereux. a further two migrant boats did arrive in the uk earlier this morning, and at least 100 people have been taken to dover, a record . 420,000 to dover, a record. 420,000 patients had to wait more than 12 hours in a&e last year. the latest nhs england figures show 1 in 15 patients face so—called trolley waits, which have been unked trolley waits, which have been linked to excess deaths. the numbers also reflect a 20% increase on 2022. the lib dem leader, sir ed davey, is accusing the prime minister of driving the health service into

the ground . new analysis shows the ground. new analysis shows the ground. new analysis shows the majority of injuries caused by e—scooter crashes go unreported . a government study unreported. a government study found fewer than 10% of casualties treated at hospital have then been reported to the police. private e—scooters cannot legally be ridden on roads or pavements, but they have become a common sight, particularly in cities. 11 riders and one pedestrian died in e—scooter crashes in britain in e—scooter crashes in britain in 2022, with almost 1500 injuries. denmark now has a king and we can show you the live shots of him. there he is, frederick the 10th, taking the throne. he is succeeding his mother, queen margrethe. she formally abdicated after 52 years as monarch. good innings. these are live pictures, then from copenhagen. huge crowds have gathered for the historic event. king frederick is australian born. wife mary has become the queen. their eldest son, christian, is the new heir to the throne . king charles and

to the throne. king charles and queen camilla have sent their best wishes and an arctic blast is hitting the uk , prompting is hitting the uk, prompting weather warnings. northern scotland could get up to ten centimetre of snow today . and it centimetre of snow today. and it will be a similar situation in northern ireland tomorrow. the freezing temperatures are forecast to move further south south the course of the south over the course of the week, affecting parts of northern england and know northern england and you know what disruption on what that means disruption on the railways. finally, the roads and railways. finally, a is erupting again in a volcano is erupting again in south—west iceland at lava, which can be seen spewing into the air, is said to be flowing towards the fishing town of grindavik , which has been grindavik, which has been evacuated for a second time. residents were also forced to leave their homes there . last leave their homes there. last month. the country's president, though, lives are not in though, says lives are not in dangen though, says lives are not in danger. but infrastructure is under threat. it's the fifth eruption on the peninsula since 2021. we're live across the uk, on tv, on digital radio. if you

want us on your smart speaker, just say play gb news. now it's back to dawn . back to dawn. >> thank you aaron. now okay, let's get stuck into today's story shall we? frederick the 10th is now king of denmark following the formal abdication of his mother, queen margrethe tens of thousands of danes have gathered in copenhagen to witness his historic succession . witness his historic succession. there you are. you can see them and his wife is australian on the balcony, waving to the crowds . we do that here too, crowds. we do that here too, don't we? right joining me now is royal correspondent michael cole to explain why this is so important. and what it actually means for the danish royal family. and royal families around the world. michael thank you so much forjoining us this afternoon. why is this so important? >> dawn , good afternoon, denmark >> dawn, good afternoon, denmark . uh, the world's happy .

. uh, the world's happy. king and australian born, but the strong, uh , scottish antecedent , strong, uh, scottish antecedent, queen mary and their. strong, uh, scottish antecedent, queen mary and their . and the queen mary and their. and the heir to the christian ipso and the square in front of the christiansborg palace. absolutely packed with people. of course, the connection to our own british royal family are very, very strong indeed . uh, very, very strong indeed. uh, king charles is father was prince philip of greece, but he was also prince philip of denmark and, um, the kings, our kings , uh, great great kings, uh, great great grandmother , queen alexandra , grandmother, queen alexandra, uh, was a danish princess who married a man who became king. so uh, the ties are very, very strong. the late queen, our late queen. queen elizabeth the second was a cousin of that

man's mother, queen margareta. and she was a wonderful person. you know, i had the privilege of meeting her on one occasion, and she had a great, wonderful charm about her. she was immensely popular . the country and about her. she was immensely popular. the country and i could understand why , uh, she was, um , understand why, uh, she was, um, down to earth and had a lovely way with her when i met her. dawn i had to. i was the director of public affairs at harrods, but having an exhibition in promotion of danish goods that she came to, uh, open it , danish goods that she came to, uh, open it, and i and i welcomed her and i said, i'm the first thing i had to say was your majesty, you cannot smoke within the store because, uh, she was a chain smoker, and she said, no , no, no, i don't mind said, no, no, no, i don't mind about that. she said, uh, because i owe so much to harrods. i said , how how come? harrods. i said, how how come? so she said, well, when i was at cambridge studying archaeology , cambridge studying archaeology, uh, i used to come to london completely incognito , without

completely incognito, without any bodyguards on the train . any bodyguards on the train. waleses get on the piccadilly line to, uh, knightsbridge bridge and in the banking hall at harrods. she met her boyfriend , henry, who was boyfriend, henry, who was a french diplomat at the nearby french diplomat at the nearby french , uh, embassy. but that french, uh, embassy. but that was their secret hideout. that was their secret hideout. that was their secret hideout. that was their rendezvous place. and, of course, she became engaged to him . uh, he , uh, changed his him. uh, he, uh, changed his name to henry . him. uh, he, uh, changed his name to henry. he became a prince. and it's their son. uh frederick the 10th, who has now become the new monarch after a 53 year reign of queen margrethe . uh, so these are important days. the monarchy is extremely popular in in denmark. it's a constitutional monarchy like ourselves, but with only one chamber of . ourselves, but with only one chamber of. hang on ourselves, but with only one chamber of . hang on there coming chamber of. hang on there coming out another . yes, they are out another. yes, they are coming out to say hello again . coming out to say hello again. but michael . but michael. >> well, michael, the thing i'm fascinated by this story is, is

the fact that the new king frederick, um , his wife is frederick, um, his wife is australian and they met in a pub and she had no idea who who he was. and they've been together a good few years now. got a couple of children. can you tell us more about him? what's he like ? more about him? what's he like? >> well, he is a very affable, uh, young man in he, as you say. i mean, if you're going to australia, you meet somebody in a pub, don't you? that's the place where everything happens. uh, he's he's very popular, uh, and he's he's very popular, too. had a little of rush, too. had a little bit of rush, uh, brush with scandal . he too. had a little bit of rush, uh, brush with scandal. he was uh, a brush with scandal. he was a photograph standing a bit too close to a rather glamorous looking woman in spain. but these things get passed over , these things get passed over, and the marriage is solid. these things get passed over, and the marriage is solid . and and the marriage is solid. and there you are, the whole family together there. and they're a very united lot. and the danes feel very, very strongly , uh, feel very, very strongly, uh, towards their, their royal family. it's, uh, it's a different sort of setup. well we have here a little bit more

intimate , shall we say, a little intimate, shall we say, a little bit less pomp and circumstance as we've been declared today. and what was interesting is that instead of a full blown coronation, it was a declaration, uh , a proclamation declaration, uh, a proclamation indeed, by the prime minister. uh mette frederiksen , and she, uh mette frederiksen, and she, the prime minister uh, didn't start out in life as a big fan of the monarchy. but when she met queen margareta, uh, she changed her mind, and she became very enthusiastic about the role of the danish monarchy within the constitution . there it is. the constitution. there it is. um it's something which i think they can all be proud of, because whenever there is a survey of how people feel about the country, they're in and their own lives, denmark always, almost always comes top. i think we're probably down in the low teens or something like that, but it is a very happy country. and if you've ever had the privilege of going there, i think it's a joyous place, not just in tivoli gardens, which is a great, uh, perhaps one of the

original funfairs that was ever been with a great deal of charm. but everywhere you go and of course , uh, danish beer, danish course, uh, danish beer, danish bacon, we love it all. and danish butter. and they are very close to us because we were and to some extent still are, their major for market their food products. and we, uh, michael, sorry . sorry. >> lovely. um, obviously we're watching on the balcony there, lovely scenes there and i'm surprised at how many people are there. the crowds are really impressive, but oh look. >> goodness . >> oh my goodness. >> oh my goodness. isn't >> oh my goodness. isn't that nice to see i think that's we all like a balcony. >> they didn't they didn't need any coaching did they. >> dawn. they were ready for that. >> no no they didn't know that. that wasn't it. >> but love. >> but love. >> what is yes. absolutely >> what is love. yes. absolutely no i think your radio. no sir. i think your radio. >> i think you say what's for what's personality, dawn? >> i think you say what's for whasee personality, dawn? >> i think you say what's for wha see it personality, dawn? >> i think you say what's for wha see it there. 1ality, dawn? >> i think you say what's for wha see it there. look, dawn? >> i think you say what's for wha see it there. look, he'sn? you see it there. look, he's convivial. he's friendly. very down to earth. and you know , down to earth. and you know, he's got, uh, you know, his father was a frenchman, a french diplomat. i mentioned, uh, and

it all started . it all started it all started. it all started in the harrods banking hall many, many years ago. or else he wouldn't that wouldn't be there today on that balcony. i what i haven't heard is that most of the monarchs come out motto when they come out with a motto when they speak. first of all, they they have something to actually characterise their their reign. i'd like to know what his motto is. he's now going off to have a reception of invited guests . reception of invited guests. yes. and there'll be a little bit of ceremonial afterwards in interestingly, his mother, queen margherita , although she has margherita, although she has stepped down, signed this instrument of declaration of abdication. she still will on occasion act as regent. uh, when he's out of the country, because the king is also the, uh , the the king is also the, uh, the king of the faroe islands to the north of us. and uh, the king of greenland , which is one of the greenland, which is one of the biggest islands on earth and very important strategically, uh, with many american bases and others. there great pictures do

you think so? >> sorry, michael , we're you think so? >> sorry, michael, we're running out of time. >> i just said there were great pictures. >> they are lovely pictures. they're very lovely. and if you're listening on the radio, we just a very romance. we just saw a very romance. quick and spontaneous kiss with the queen on the the new king and queen on the balcony. and who doesn't like a nice love story on a sunday? no um, so what is. um, yeah. and so what is. i mean, i'm still fascinated by this australian this commoner, this australian bird in a pub. bird bumping into him in a pub. um, was what was her um, what was what was her relationship like with with queen margrethe ? i mean, you queen margrethe? i mean, you know, was was there any know, was was was there any element snobbery in you element of snobbery in it? you get wasn't . get the impression there wasn't. >> no, not at all. not at all. she was very welcomed by the queen, who's just stepped down. margarita uh, welcomed into the family very warmly. margarita uh, welcomed into the family very warmly . and the family very warmly. and the relationship is very, very good. and the danes are very down to earth people. there's nothing stocks stuck up or snobby about them there. you see, the queen has just left us, uh, and her, her eldest son, uh, who's now

the king on on her. on her right. no no, they were very well welcomed. and it's also ties that bind. you know, the australians are very proud of queen mary . i don't australians are very proud of queen mary. i don't i'm australians are very proud of queen mary . i don't i'm not sure queen mary. i don't i'm not sure whether that's a terribly good name, because whenever you hear queen mary you think of the ship, don't you? but anyway, there, we have mary, there, there we have queen mary, and have, uh, princess and there we have, uh, princess of wales with the queen, who's just left us and, and with, uh, the queen mary, the lady in the white coat, rather elegantly dressed . and there's a lot of dressed. and there's a lot of comparison being made between , comparison being made between, uh, the new danish queen, queen mary, and, of course, the, the. if things go according to plan , if things go according to plan, the next queen of this country, who will be the princess of wales ? wales? >> uh, they do look very alike , >> uh, they do look very alike, don't they, michael? the two women. well i think, uh, i think the picture editors in certain newspapers have been making that point to some extent . point to some extent. >> and seeing who's picking up fashion tips from each other. but the two families are very

close. they always have been. there have been these ties that bind. they all descend from queen victoria, who, of course, was famously grandmother was the famously the grandmother of europe. she had, uh , of europe. she had, uh, descendants of herself in all the royal houses. but our connection with denmark through the sea and through our love of beer and of course, ancestrally , beer and of course, ancestrally, because, uh, the danish came over here, um , ad lib during the over here, um, ad lib during the dark ages. and a popularised this country . who knows? dawn, this country. who knows? dawn, you and i might be descended from these vikings who arrived on the east coast in their long boats. uh, and came and perhaps terrorised us at first, but then settled down and fitted in well , settled down and fitted in well, michael, i do have a love of been michael, i do have a love of beer, so anything's possible. >> thank you so much, michael. carl royal expert, for joining us there. talking about, um, the new king in denmark and a lovely kiss afternoon on kiss on a sunday afternoon on the . how romantic. um, the balcony. how romantic. um, you're watching and listening to gb sunday with me. dawn

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it back in three days time. in thank i like that one. thank you. i like that one. that's interesting that's quite an interesting thought, now um, thought, isn't it? now um, britain could strike houthi targets in yemen again . uh, targets in yemen again. uh, foreign secretary lord david cameron has said that if the rebel group continues to attack ships in the red sea, uk forces could strike back. he said we will work with allies. we will always defend the freedom of navigation and, crucially, we'll be to prepared back words with action. this comes as defence secretary grant shapps told iran to urge its allies to cease and desist as the world is running out of patience. joining me now to discuss this further is defence editor at the evening standard, robert fox. robert, thank you very much for joining me this afternoon . robert, what me this afternoon. robert, what do you make of what david cameron has said overnight that, you know, we are in this we are not backing down. well i think he's stating almost the obvious because , uh, it is not clear because, uh, it is not clear what the houthis are going to do next. >> they've been making a lot of

noise and making quite extravagant claims and saying all this, that and the other must happen. but do they intend to go on attacking , uh, to go on attacking, uh, non—aligned shipping ? they've non—aligned shipping? they've claimed that they've only been attacking ships connected with israel. been quite a thin israel. it's been quite a thin link in many cases. and they attacked british and american warships and that's why the retaliation came in towards the end of to towards the end of last week . if they say that last week. if they say that they're going to go on attacking ships and they have said that and they still have more munitions and drones threatening the navigation of the high seas, the navigation of the high seas, the free movement there. i'm pretty sure that in the short time there will have to be further. there will be further strikes. there will have to be in the mind of the british and american command . and of course, american command. and of course, they're getting a lot of support from europe, not popularly advertised, i think quietly from eqypt advertised, i think quietly from egypt and saudi arabia, who are in very tricky place. but it's in a very tricky place. but it's interesting that canada and

australia supporting australia are supporting as well. you can work out how well. and you can work out how the alliances are working there. but the next move is really down to the houthis . and the houthis to the houthis. and the houthis have been promoting themselves, and that's really very much part of the story in quite an extraordinary way . extraordinary way. >> uh, robert, the we were discussing earlier on with the panel that, you know, military strategy always should involve an exit plan. >> i'm not entirely clear what the plan going forward is for. stop on this one. i mean, if the houthis and they they show no signs of stopping, houthis and they they show no signs of stopping , they already signs of stopping, they already fired a drone attack back after the initial attack by america and the uk . so it doesn't seem and the uk. so it doesn't seem to be encouraging them to stop . to be encouraging them to stop. so i mean, it it could this really develop into into a full blown war, uh, issue. well i think, uh, jen great, because things are so volatile into a full blown war, but it depends

what you mean by. >> and i'm not being clever clever here. i i've, you know, most of my journalistic career, we've been bedevilled by cliches. one minute it was mission creep. now it's exit strategies. then it's end games. what is happening is actually a high class policing operation to maintain an, uh, underpinned by un charter, the freedom of navigation of the seas, which isn't just a high minded luxury, it's very important since 95% plus of all export trade global goes by, it goes by sea and if europe particularly and the us can't maintain this , we are in can't maintain this, we are in trouble and the fact, as i was pointing out, that canada and australia have come in, it's absolutely right why they're there. because this really is of global significance, by the way. nobody's talking about the fact that india has sent a fleet of ten ships into the area because india has had traffic , uh, a

india has had traffic, uh, a chemical , india has had traffic, uh, a chemical, uh, freighter india has had traffic, uh, a chemical , uh, freighter attacked chemical, uh, freighter attacked as it was approaching the indian port. so it is big. it is complex. port. so it is big. it is complex . the problem port. so it is big. it is complex. the problem is do not read history as a cartoon textbook . each one of these textbook. each one of these conflicts . and this is a boring conflicts. and this is a boring cliche , is uniquely different . cliche, is uniquely different. and what is so interesting here is the relationship ship in the so—called axis of resistance. but between iran and the main players and principally we're looking now at hamas , the looking now at hamas, the houthis, as well as the proxies and clients and friends of the hezbollah collection, the three hezbollah, uh, to the north of israel in lebanon , in, uh, iraq israel in lebanon, in, uh, iraq and syria to, uh, robert fox , and syria to, uh, robert fox, thank you very much for joining us this afternoon. >> that's robert, their defence editor of the evening standard. now, let's see what my marvellous panel, who are still with and still being nice to

with me and still being nice to one another. i know, disappointing. make it this disappointing. uh, make it this one. ricky. can i come one. um, ricky. but can i come to you first on this one? um, it's i a lot of the people are getting in touch here saying, why are we getting involved again? surely this is none of our business, but it has to be our business, but it has to be our business. surely because this is going to affect the world, isn't it? with trade going through the red sea, we have to do something. oh, no. >> absolutely. it's a crucial, uh, maritime trading route . uh, maritime trading route. there's no two ways about that . there's no two ways about that. and i think that the worry is for me is that will these airstrikes mean that the houthi rebels will back down? now, as you say, there's not much indication of that. no. i mean, indication of that. no. i mean, in my view, um, there was also the argument that now iran will know that we mean business, that there's a bit of meat behind our words . but there's a bit of meat behind our words. but does there's a bit of meat behind our words . but does that there's a bit of meat behind our words. but does that mean that that will reduce iran's willingness to continue providing the houthi rebels with, um, logistical support ?

with, um, logistical support? i'm not entirely sure about that either , for so i think that what either, for so i think that what i'm concerned about is something that i mentioned, um, before, is that i mentioned, um, before, is that this is ultimately about securing freedom of navigation and easing the flow of trade in the red sea area. but it might have the opposite effect there is that possibility. >> aaron. i mean, if we had done nothing and tried to negotiate as, as you were alluding to in the first part of the show, um, what message does it sending to the likes of china keeping very close eye on what's going on here with with regard to sort of like, you know, the seas around china and taiwan and what's going on there. what would they be thinking ? right. well, the be thinking? right. well, the west aren't really doing much. so maybe we'll take advantage of this. >> well, china ambitions to >> well, china has ambitions to obviously, it would see, obviously, as it would see, retake taiwan, but have retake taiwan, but it does have a major interest in ensuring that trade flows and that global trade flows and global routes remain safe. global trade routes remain safe. >> stakeholder in the >> they are a stakeholder in the global a that global system in a way that yemen necessarily isn't. what i would say is, or just slightly

disagree was said disagree with what was said before italy, france before spain, italy, france haven't this. before spain, italy, france havesaudis this. before spain, italy, france havesaudis have this. before spain, italy, france havesaudis have called this. before spain, italy, france havesaudis have called for1is. the saudis have called for restraint. the uae is not involved. qatar is not involved. i find it strange that britain is involved in the is getting involved in the policing uh, waterways in policing of, uh, waterways in the arabian peninsula. when the arabs literally aren't . and what arabs literally aren't. and what i would say is this it goes back to what you were mentioning before, what's the strategy? and your audience needs to know this. october, there have this. since october, there have been over 100 attacks on us service personnel iraq. yes, service personnel in iraq. yes, there have been over 30 attacks on shipping the sea. the on shipping in the red sea. the iranians two days ago boarded a ship on the other side of the arabian peninsula in the strait of hormuz, 33% of globally traded oil goes through that one side of the arabian peninsula. red sea, and the other side the strait of hormuz. which is why, by the way, the saudis, the uae, qatar do not want this to escalate. that's why they're calling for restraint. and i couldn't agree more with what you were insomuch as you were saying, insomuch as obviously but we you were saying, insomuch as obvimake but we you were saying, insomuch as obvimake bad but we you were saying, insomuch as obvimake bad things but we you were saying, insomuch as obvimake bad things aut we you were saying, insomuch as obvimake bad things a hell; you were saying, insomuch as obvimake bad things a hell of a can make bad things a hell of a

lot worse. saddam hussein was bad. way, getting rid bad. and by the way, getting rid of him gave rise to isis. so we keep on coming up against the law of unintended consequences. so people can sound good and sound to sound stem, and we have to do this that. it keeps on this and do that. it keeps on not out because, as you not working out because, as you said, we don't said, dawn, we don't have a plan. what's the strategy ? what plan. what's the strategy? what are objectives? nobody are the objectives? nobody has said of you asked the said any of this. you asked the question. say it. question. he didn't say it. nobody. are none. we don't nobody. there are none. we don't know. and it's also worth making this oman this point that oman wasn't particularly impressed with the airstrikes either . airstrikes either. >> and they're not some kind of rogue hostile state any rogue hostile state by any stretch of the imagination. >> ally to this country. >> yes, very good ally. >> yes, very good ally. >> oh dear. right. okay. um, we've out time on that we've run out of time on that one, but, um, you're still agreeing . i'm trying my hardest agreeing. i'm trying my hardest here for you people. you're watching and listening to gb news sunday with me. dawn neesom. uh, plenty more coming up on today's show. but first, it's up on today's show. but first, wsfime up on today's show. but first, it's time to check out what the news headlines are with aaron armstrong .

armstrong. >> it is 231. good afternoon to you from the gb newsroom. the government has denied britain's aircraft carriers cannot be sent to the middle east because of a recruitment crisis. on thursday, the uk and us struck houthi targets in yemen after months of attacks in the red sea. britain's involvement entailed four raf jets flying a round trip of more than 3000 miles from cyprus . multiple reports from cyprus. multiple reports have claimed the navy can't send its carriers to the region because of a shortage of personnel, but defence minister james cartlidge says that's not the case. >> there is no truth whatsoever in the suggestion that we cannot deploy the carrier. i'm pleased to confirm both our carriers are in portsmouth. they are at readiness and they are available to be deployed if needed . if the to be deployed if needed. if the operational decision is that thatis operational decision is that that is the appropriate response . well, the government's facing calls for a retrospective , calls for a retrospective, retrospective vote on strikes against houthi rebels , lord against houthi rebels, lord cameron has warned, though there could be more air strikes in

yemen if attacks on ships in the red sea continue. >> the labour leader, sir keir starmer, says while parliamentary should parliamentary approval should be sought most armed sought in most armed interventions, there are exceptions . five migrants are exceptions. five migrants are now known to have died trying to cross the english channel overnight. french officials say a small boat carrying dozens of people got into difficulties just north of the port of boulogne. a further two migrant boats arrived in uk waters this morning and at least 100 people have been taken to dover . have been taken to dover. denmark now has a king, with frederic the 10th taking the throne, succeeding his mother, queen margareta , who formally queen margareta, who formally abdicated after 52 years as monarch . the king is australian monarch. the king is australian born wife mary, who is now queen, and their children waved to huge crowds from the balcony of christiansborg palace. king charles and queen camilla have sent their best wishes . i'll be sent their best wishes. i'll be back with more at the top of the next hour, where you can visit

our website for more right now if you want. gbnews.com . if you want. gbnews.com. >> thank you very much, aaron. uh, lots more coming up on today's show . uh, lots more coming up on today's show. hundreds of uh, lots more coming up on today's show . hundreds of people today's show. hundreds of people are rallying in london to stand with israel. see pictures live on your screen. now, um, to mark 100 days. incredibly since the october 7th massacre and aims to unite supporters of israel in a show of solidarity . uh, more on show of solidarity. uh, more on that later, though. but first, let's take a look at what your weather is doing for you with jonathan. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. an increasing chance of seeing some snow over the next few days. for some of us, we've already seen snow showers into areas of northern scotland on sunday, and they will persist throughout this evening and overnight, increasing though pushing northern pushing into parts of northern ireland brings ireland as well. and that brings the some icy stretches the risk of some icy stretches where showers falling the risk of some icy stretches wh frozen showers falling the risk of some icy stretches wh frozen surfaces. rs falling the risk of some icy stretches whfrozen surfaces. for falling the risk of some icy stretches wh frozen surfaces. for allalling the risk of some icy stretches wh frozen surfaces. for all of ng on frozen surfaces. for all of us, though, is going to be

us, though, it is going to be a very cold night, widely frosty across all areas of the uk. even towns and cities dropping as low as minus two —three degrees celsius. you certainly may celsius. so you certainly may need to scrape the car first thing on monday morning . the thing on monday morning. the chances seeing snow monday chances of seeing snow on monday is about those areas that is all about those areas that are northerly are exposed to the northerly breeze. northern breeze. so again, northern scotland , northern ireland few scotland, northern ireland a few sleet for western wales, sleet showers for western wales, south—west and perhaps south—west england and perhaps some eastern coast of some skirting eastern coast of yorkshire norfolk as yorkshire down to norfolk as well. is well. further inland, it is going be but with going to be dry, but with widespread sunshine across the board still feeling very cold, though temperatures around one two degrees celsius at best, but feeling subfreezing if you're exposed to very brisk easterly wind along those coasts there on tuesday , our attention turns to tuesday, our attention turns to this feature that's going to start pushing its way into the northwest as it moves into the cold air ahead of it. that does bnng cold air ahead of it. that does bring the risk of some further snowfall, for snowfall, particularly for central scotland down central areas of scotland down across pennines. parts central areas of scotland down ac northern ’ennines. parts central areas of scotland down acnorthern’ennines.it parts central areas of scotland down ac northern ’ennines.it willarts central areas of scotland down ac northern ’ennines.it will be; of northern ireland, it will be a more of a transient rain, a bit more of a transient rain, snow feature and then eventually into northern into other areas of northern england well. southern areas

england as well. southern areas staying drier. the cold staying drier. but the cold theme persists throughout staying drier. but the cold the|coming sts throughout staying drier. but the cold the|coming sts by:hroughout staying drier. but the cold the|coming sts by . roughout staying drier. but the cold the|coming sts by . by.]hout the coming week. by. by. >> thank you jonathan. welcome back to gb news. p&o with me dawn neesom on your tv online and on digital radio. now today incredibly marks 100 days since the october seventh massacre that saw hamas kill 1200 israelis and take 240 as hostages. since then , we've seen hostages. since then, we've seen three months of war in gaza , three months of war in gaza, with heavy losses on both sides, including more than 24,000 casualties in gaza , according to casualties in gaza, according to the hamas run health ministry. but despite worldwide calls for a ceasefire, there seems no end in sight today. thousands are attending a rally in london this afternoon to stand in solidarity with israel. joining me now live from the rally is our london reporter . you go from there reporter. you go from there today. reporter. you go from there today . lisa, can you tell us

today. lisa, can you tell us what's going on, where you are ? what's going on, where you are? yeah >> hello. yes, well, it's incredibly noisy. >> hello. yes, well, it's incredibly noisy . we're in incredibly noisy. we're in trafalgar square, which is filled with people . um, it is filled with people. um, it is all about supporting people that are here to show support for israel . joining me is one of the israel. joining me is one of the event organisers as well. thank you so much forjoining us today. so tell us what today is. what's what's the aim of today. >> yeah, we are standing here with solidarity with israel . with solidarity with israel. >> 10,000 of people who came here to stand with support for three months ago, israel was attacked on six different fronts in a war not just in the south of hamas, but also in the north and in many other areas. and what we see here is an enormous support for israel coming not just from the people here to stand, but also from the labour party, conservative party, from the conservative party, from the conservative party other speakers party and many other speakers that here to say that that came here to say that israel is not alone , and the israel is not alone, and the streets of london will be full with support israel. when i with support of israel. when i went many people in israel went and many people in israel

are not happy with how the government is conducting things at the moment. >> no, no new hostage releases have been seen since november. there's increasing calls for a ceasefire. what are your thoughts on on that? >> my wife wasn't with me, she said. >> first of all, important to mention we have here in this event, members of the family of the hostages, many of them still held by hamas don't know if held by hamas and don't know if there's a light of note or what is conditions. and are is their conditions. and we are here and demanding for here calling and demanding for the the hostages. and the release of the hostages. and i the israeli government i think the israeli government is doing same. but what we is doing the same. but what we are about is people are worried about is that people are worried about is that people are forgetting them, is are forgetting about them, is forgetting almost for 100 are forgetting about them, is forgetthat almost for 100 are forgetting about them, is forgetthat people nost for 100 are forgetting about them, is forgetthat people that for 100 are forgetting about them, is forgetthat people that in 100 days, that people that in inhuman conditions in hamas captivity and we understand that the only way to end this conflict is does the civilians and the people held by hamas will released . we are will be released. we are speaking about multi nationalities, just israelis nationalities, not just israelis there and understand that there and we understand that this first step ending this is the first step ending the but more than the conflict. but more than that, we understand that israel is not alone, as mentioned. is not alone, as i mentioned. and bipartisan and that's why a bipartisan support uk is so support here in the uk is so

important . and we are so glad important. and we are so glad for that. and the people who came are admiring the uk came here are admiring the uk support. that, support. and more than that, thankful and looking more thankful and looking for more and support coming for and more support coming for the people israel . people of israel. >> thank you so much forjoining us today. >> you very much. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> you. this event is just >> thank you. this event is just getting underway with many speakers. taking to speakers. we'll be taking to the stage as more and more people join here trafalgar square. stage as more and more people joirthat's trafalgar square. stage as more and more people joirthat's lisa, falgar square. stage as more and more people joirthat's lisa, falgar yourre. stage as more and more people joirthat's lisa, falgar you very >> that's lisa, thank you very much. that's lisa hartle, our london reporter there covering the pro—israel demonstration gathering in trafalgar square today. gathering in trafalgar square today . and i'm going to come to today. and i'm going to come to you first on this one. what do you first on this one. what do you make of what you've just heard ? heard? >> um , look, i find this a very >> um, look, i find this a very strange one because, of course, on the one hand, you had this atrocity happen on the 7th of october. there are still, as you said, many, many people who are still in captivity. i can't even get into the sort of get my head into the sort of mental space that they're occupying. of course, their occupying. and of course, their family and friends at the family and their friends at the same i don't see the same time. i don't see the argument as to how what israel has done in the subsequent penod has done in the subsequent period those people get

period helps those people get out , and period helps those people get out, and should obviously out, and that should obviously be priority . and look, be the priority. and look, people are obviously welcome to agree or disagree about the right action, but . agree or disagree about the right action, but. i'm right course of action, but. i'm not quite sure about it. and also there's a secondary argument here, which is britain . argument here, which is britain. britain's shouldn't britain's politicians shouldn't care what israel wants, shouldn't care what palestine wants, right? it should be looking fundamentally looking at fundamentally for this interests first. this country's interests first. and you can and then, of course, you can talk the other things too. talk about the other things too. and feeling that and i have a feeling that frankly , a lot of people in frankly, a lot of people in israeli politics would like 2.5 million gazans out of the gaza strip to go to the sinai. the egyptians have said quite openly, we will send them to europe . and strange to me europe. and it's strange to me that you have politicians across the political spectrum in this country cheering on potentially the prospect of 2 million plus gazans coming to europe . um, of gazans coming to europe. um, of course, if they go to egypt , course, if they go to egypt, egypt's a country with right now 35% inflation. that's a 9100 million people on the mediterranean. ian, do we want a

failed state in egypt? we've had people saying we should go to war with iran, including the former israeli prime minister. now million if that now 90 million people, if that becomes where do becomes a failed state, where do they think these people go? they will come europe and so all will come to europe and so all i'm for, dawn, for i'm asking for, dawn, is for british politicians for to british politicians for once to use head and actually use their head and actually think about this country's long time interests first. and they don't always with israel. don't always align with israel. that's a that's not an that's not a that's not an attack israel. think that attack on israel. i think that should quite sensible should be just quite a sensible point. going to point. um, they're not going to augn point. um, they're not going to align any one country. all align with any one country. all of the time. >> ricky, what do you make of it? >> no, i think that when it comes to these kind of matters, british and british national security and national national interests national and national interests first, and the reality is, i don't think that adopting the political establishment, adopting generally uncritical adopting a generally uncritical and unapologetically pro—israel position, is in line with the british national interest. i think. i think that's the truth of it. i think that when you're looking at the idea of standing with israel, i mean , firstly, with israel, i mean, firstly, i'll make the point that i've been appalled by various forms of anti—semitism that chanting

of anti—semitism that chanting of slogans and also of anti—semitic slogans and also the displaying of some of it still at march and the still at the march and the displaying pro terror displaying of pro terror paraphernalia , um, at paraphernalia, um, at pro—palestine pro protests, when people say i stand with israel, i mean, are they do they mean that they're standing with the israeli government, which includes people like smotrich and ben—gvir, who in my view, i think i think these are people with fanatical ideologies , in my with fanatical ideologies, in my opinion. and i certainly can't stand with in recent times . what stand with in recent times. what we've seen is ultimately the israeli government's being responsible for militaristic occupation and population displacement . but i couldn't displacement. but i couldn't possibly stand for that . possibly stand for that. >> and that's the problem. i mean, people are conflating the state of israel and jewish people and likewise hamas and palestinian people . um, but it's palestinian people. um, but it's been 100 days now. um, there are still 130 hostages still there . still 130 hostages still there. what do we think has been achieved in those 100 days? well achieved in those 100 days? well a great deal of destruction from what i can see. >> and i'm just following on

from some of aaron's points, i think. i think in my view , it's think. i think in my view, it's very clear the israeli government, they're not keen on the palestinian people, but they're keen for the land. and i think that these suggestions, there should some, they'd there should be some, they'd call humanitarian call it mass humanitarian relocation . this is ultimately relocation. this is ultimately looking to remove palestine from those territories so they could recapture so they capture recapture so they can capture that land. i don't think that land. and i don't think that's correct. >> right. okay we have once again run out time. that's again run out of time. that's what when you've what you get when you've got such brilliant panellists. uh lots up on today's lots more coming up on today's show. another tragedy the show. now another tragedy in the channel as migrants have channel as five migrants have died waters as two died in french waters as two more arrived in the early more boats arrived in the early hours morning. um, yeah . hours of this morning. um, yeah. not great news, is it? all of that and more to come though. i'm dawn neesom and you are watching and listening to gb news, channel .

right through until 7:00 this evening. gb news the people's. channel. uh welcome back to gb news sunday with me. >> dawn neesom on your tv online and on digital radio. now, another tragedy in the channel as five migrants have died in french waters while trying to cross to the uk overnight . cross to the uk overnight. right. foreign secretary lord cameron has said that the heart breaking deaths show we've got to stop the boats. where have we heard that before though? this comes as thousands of illegal migrants originally identified for flights to rwanda, have gone

awol . official documents show awol. official documents show that only 700 of the original 5000 people earmarked to be sent to rwanda are still in regular contact with the home office. whodathunkit hey, uh, so let's see what my panel, mate. i mean, it's an amazing statistic coming out. and first of all, you know , out. and first of all, you know, we more people have lost their lives , don't we? we had we were lives, don't we? we had we were having a good period, weren't we? was small boats we? there was no small boats crossing for 26. >> i suspect that weather >> i suspect that was weather related being related though, if i'm being honest. no, it was the honest. no, no no no, it was the rwanda policy. >> working. it was the >> it was working. it was the seven storms. possibly. we had our, you know, the our, um, you know, in the winter. but have the winter. but people have the boats are starting nrp have lost their . so what you make their lives. so what do you make of fact that, uh, those that of the fact that, uh, those that were be deported to were meant to be deported to rwanda missing rwanda are now gone, missing rwanda are now gone, missing rwanda isn't working and potentially will never work? >> no. absolutely i think that the current conservative government, they've invested a great deal of time, effort and energy into the rwanda policy with very little result . with very little result. >> what's more, home secretary

to rwanda than than illegal migrants . migrants. >> yes. no. so the policy clearly came back. but but the real concern here now is the amount of asylum seekers unaccounted for within the uk is concerned . um, last year it was concerned. um, last year it was revealed the home office actually came clean and said that they weren't aware of the whereabouts of 17,000 asylum seekers as their claims have been discontinued and then we have these more recent figures here, which is clearly shows that when it comes to keeping tabs on where asylum seekers are in the uk, the government is failing miserably. and that does pose a security risk. >> i mean, i mean , aaron, i know >> i mean, i mean, aaron, i know you're no you're no great fan of the labour party either, but i mean, they don't actually have a plan either, do they? no nobody's got a plan. >> nobody's got a plan. okay. >> nobody's got a plan. okay. >> thanks, aaron. >> thanks, aaron. >> and no, no, you know, it's interesting because on the left right, people on the radical left the labour party, left outside the labour party, they'll say we've got catastrophic climate change this century. see century. we're going to see hundreds of climate hundreds of millions of climate refugees, i think

refugees, etc, etc. i think that's quite likely. you know, the about that. and so the un talks about that. and so the un talks about that. and so the is accepting we're the left is accepting we're going far more displaced going to have far more displaced people. uh, obviously west asia and the middle east isn't particularly neighbourhood and the middle east isn't parti(now.y neighbourhood and the middle east isn't parti(now . neighbourhood and the middle east isn't parti(now . um, neighbourhood and the middle east isn't parti(now . um, soeighbourhood and the middle east isn't parti(now . um, so this ourhood and the middle east isn't parti(now . um, so this is rhood and the middle east isn't parti(now . um, so this is very! right now. um, so this is very much a live question , ian. and much a live question, ian. and i don't think any politicians are taking it particularly seriously. thing i would say seriously. one thing i would say is why these people is that why don't these people work right? allow them to work . work right? allow them to work. you could even have charter cities . there's certain places cities. there's certain places they're allowed to work . they they're allowed to work. they would taxes. they would would pay taxes. they would maybe be able to use the nhs, but they couldn't claim benefits. they wouldn't be saving up towards a pension. they would be helping finance saving up towards a pension. the pension be helping finance saving up towards a pension. the pension system ing finance saving up towards a pension. the pension system .1g finance saving up towards a pension. the pension system . and1ance saving up towards a pension. the pension system . and of|ce our pension system. and of course if you allow them to work, then it's going to give them fewer incentives to run off while you're processing their case. >> the thing is, and you're >> but the thing is, and you're going to say that i think that's less we've spent less stupid that we've spent £300 rwanda, zero £300 million in rwanda, zero zero gone there, zero people have gone there, but the if we do that, the thing is, if we do that, aaron, would it encourage more people it could be people to come over? it could be a question. a great question. >> could be a pull factor. >> it could be a pull factor. >> it could be a pull factor. >> question. of course >> great question. of course that's that's these the

that's but that's these are the kinds conversations we need kinds of conversations we need to and i feel like to be having. and i feel like the whole rwanda thing from the tories, like public tories, i feel like it's public relations. for them relations. the problem for them is that, you know, they're not delivering it. before the delivering on it. and before the next going to next election, they're going to look dummies. if you look like real dummies. if you spent £300 million a project spent £300 million on a project when a single person when not a single person has gone when not a single person has gorso the problem here really, >> so the problem here really, dawn, is that the tories are deliberately ramped up. the salience of immigration and asylum, record asylum, whereas we have record high immigration. on high levels of immigration. on top we continue have top of that, we continue to have a dysfunctional asylum system. >> and the thing is , i mean, it >> and the thing is, i mean, it is important because a survey out today, nearly 9 in 10 uk parliament constituencies want to see immigration levels , both to see immigration levels, both legal and illegal, reduced and controls tightened . controls tightened. >> absolutely. but but no one seems to be able to . seems to be able to. >> i mean, we know rishi sunak, when he was chancellor, didn't believe rwanda was an option. and now suddenly it's the be all and end all. >> yeah. mean, first we have >> yeah. i mean, first we have to to make that to make the we have to make that very clear difference between legal and illegal legal immigration and illegal migration. um, but think the

migration. um, but i think the more generally, look at more generally, if you look at the figures, net the recent figures, net migration peaked at 745,000, nearly three quarters of a million during that 12 month period. inward migration reached 1.2 million. i think what's clear, we have a political establishment that is addicted to mass immigration. it seems to be the answer to, um, in terms of engineering, economic growth, even though for some time we've been a high immigration, low growth country, what we need to do is invest more in our own domestic workforce base, improve pay domestic workforce base, improve pay and working conditions, especially in the health and social system. social care system. >> work, in particular? >> care work, in particular? >> care work, in particular? >> yeah, absolutely . and i think >> yeah, absolutely. and i think that, crucially, what we need to do, we need to boost our national self—sufficiency because of course, um , aaron because of course, um, aaron raises a very important point. we have a demographic time bomb. we have a demographic time bomb. we have a demographic time bomb. we have an ageing population, and there's simply not having enough meet that. so enough children to meet that. so what to do, we need to what we need to do, we need to invest more in our own country to make sure it's a more family friendly place. and and friendly place. and that and then comes into as then housing comes into that as well. that's issue. but

well. that's another issue. but none things going none of these things are going to overnight. none of these things are going to are overnight. none of these things are going to are they?ernight. none of these things are going to are they? inight. none of these things are going to are they? i mean, this is the >> are they? i mean, this is the problem. we need to start building on that but we are building on that now. but we are obsessed with rwanda. >> think like >> yeah. i think look so like you say, 1.3 million people you say, 1.2, 1.3 million people net immigration over two years. last 60,000 people last year we had 60,000 people coming refugees . so coming as refugees. so incomparable what incomparable numbers. what i would of those people would say is of those people here, migrants here, legally, economic migrants . i just think you could have had those 60,000 refugees doing paid work. and it would it would change the face of it so much. and so i just don't see the argument against this when we're letting so many people come here to why let to work legally, why not let these people legally and these people work legally and have fewer economic have slightly fewer economic migrants coming? over 1.3 million people in two years? and it's such a failure the size of birmingham or something huge. and the tories , the and look, and the tories, the tories like like you've said, they haven't a model. they haven't got a growth model. they know how to improve. they don't know how to improve. >> active industrial >> there's no active industrial strategy there. right >> and i think because that >> and i think because of that failure focus on failure they have to focus on illegal migration. of course it's a number. people should it's a big number. people should care rightly care about it. they rightly do care about it. they rightly do care about it. they rightly do care about compared to care about it. but compared to

1.3 immigration, by the way, 1.3 net immigration, by the way, that's we're similar that's we're talking similar numbers states numbers to the united states when that's a country, which is, what, five times six times the size of our country by population. so significant numbers . and i think the tories numbers. and i think the tories really very serious about really aren't very serious about solving this. >> to move on there. um, >> we have to move on there. um, right. that is it. right. okay. well that is it. you've brilliant. wonderful you've been brilliant. wonderful thank you very much. >> wasn't quite as. >> and it wasn't quite as. >> and it wasn't quite as. >> yeah, but just brilliant. right. okay. it from me right. okay. that's it from me today. um, look who's turned today. but um, look who's turned up. she's got up. it's nana and she's got a cracking show for you. nana what is it? what's happening? >> obviously, we're going >> well, obviously, we're going to be talking about the situation. we're to situation. we're going to be talking about whether, in fact, we really be turning the we should really be turning the boats do boats back. other countries do it do it successfully. it and they do it successfully. uh, we'll be looking at the post office situation, i mean, office situation, too. i mean, that's it's that's abhorrent. it's frightening happening that's abhorrent. it's frighteplus happening that's abhorrent. it's frighteplus there's happening that's abhorrent. it's frighteplus there's happerof] there. plus there's a load of gender now gender stuff that's now returned. the civil servants are insisting that actually parents shouldn't be the ones who determine whether their children go hormones there's go on those hormones. so there's lots about i've got lots of talk about and i've got a fabulous outside guest. he's a mystery, also a huge mystery, but he's also a huge entrepreneur extremely rich . entrepreneur and extremely rich. >> um, nana, thank you so much.

don't go anywhere. nana is coming next. you coming up next. thank you for watching. you and watching. thank you to rakib and aaron for being a great panel today. you you today. thank you you for watching listening. have watching and listening. have a wonderful afternoon and, wonderful sunday afternoon and, um, don't go anywhere though, because nana has got a cracking show lined up for you. thank you very and we'll see you very much and we'll see you soon. you. looks like soon. thank you. looks like things heating things are heating up. >> box spoilers, sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here. your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. an increasing chance of seeing some snow over the next few for of us, next few days. for some of us, we've already seen snow showers into of northern into areas of northern scotland on sunday, and they will persist throughout this evening and overnight, increasing though pushing northern overnight, increasing though pushingas northern overnight, increasing though pushingas well. northern overnight, increasing though pushingas well. thatthern overnight, increasing though pushingas well. that brings ireland as well. and that brings the icy stretches the risk of some icy stretches where those showers are falling on surfaces. for all of on frozen surfaces. for all of us, though, it is going to a us, though, it is going to be a very cold night. widely frosty across areas of the uk, even across all areas of the uk, even towns and cities dropping as low as minus three degrees as minus two minus three degrees celsius. so you certainly may

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show is all about opinion. it's mine, theirs. and of course mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating discussing and at times we will disagree. no one will be disagree. but no one will be cancelled . so joining me in the cancelled. so joining me in the next hour , broadcaster and next hour, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, also broadcaster and author christine hamilton. moments time hamilton. in a few moments time we will be clashing in a head to head with my political commentator benedict spence and also political commentator matthew stadlen. that's on the way. but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines. >> good afternoon to you. it is 3:00. i'm aaron armstrong, the government has dismissed reports claiming britain's aircraft carriers can't be sent to the middle east because of a personnel shortage. raf jets made a round trip of more than 3000 miles from cyprus on thursday to take part in a series of strikes on houthi positions in yemen, foreign secretary lord cameron says the uk may intervene again if the attacks on ships in the red sea

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