opinion . opinion. it's show is all about opinion. it's mine, theirs. and of course mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating discussing and at times we will disagree. no one will be disagree. but no one will be cancelled . so joining me in the cancelled. so joining me in the next hour , broadcaster and next hour, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, also broadcaster and author christine hamilton. moments time hamilton. in a few moments time we will be clashing in a head to head with my political commentator benedict spence and also political commentator matthew stadlen. that's on the way. but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines. >> good afternoon to you. it is 3:00. i'm aaron armstrong, the government has dismissed reports claiming britain's aircraft carriers can't be sent to the middle east because of a personnel shortage. raf jets made a round trip of more than 3000 miles from cyprus on thursday to take part in a series of strikes on houthi positions in yemen, foreign secretary lord cameron says the uk may intervene again if the attacks on ships in the red sea

continue to. multiple reports claim a recruitment crisis is preventing the navy sending carriers to the region . but carriers to the region. but defence ministerjames carriers to the region. but defence minister james cartlidge says that's not the case. >> there is no truth whatsoever in these suggestion that we cannot deploy the carrier. i'm pleased to confirm both our carriers are in portsmouth. they are at readiness and they are available to be deployed if needed. if the operational decision is that that is the appropriate response . appropriate response. >> while the government's facing calls for a retrospective vote on varne strikes against houthi rebels , a leader of the labour rebels, a leader of the labour party, sir keir starmer, says while parliamentary approval should be sought in most armed interventions, there are exceptions . exceptions. >> the difference between on a limited, targeted operation and a sustained campaign, usually involving troops on the ground involving troops on the ground in relation to the former, i think everybody understands that there are always going to be cases where in the national interest we have to act urgently , but where there's a sustained

campaign , then yes, i do think campaign, then yes, i do think parliament should be informed , parliament should be informed, should have a debate, should know the basis and should have the opportunity to vote . the opportunity to vote. >> a rally marking 100 days since the october seventh massacre in israel is being staged in central london. thousands of people have gathered in trafalgar square for the we stand with israel event. some are waving iranian flags with a sun and lion in the centre representing opposition to the iranian government . more to the iranian government. more than 1200 people were killed dunng than 1200 people were killed during the raid by hamas in southern israel, and over 100 people are still being held hostage . five migrants are now hostage. five migrants are now known to have died trying to cross the english channel overnight. french officials say up to 70 people got into difficulty while trying to board a boat in darkness off a beach just north of boulogne . the just north of boulogne. the incident happened near wimereux at around 2 am, triggering a major emergency response. a further two migrant boats did arrive in uk waters this morning, and at least 100 people have been taken to dover .

morning, and at least 100 people have been taken to dover. a record . 420,000 patients had to record. 420,000 patients had to wait for more than 12 hours in a&e last year, the latest nhs england figures show. 1 in 5 people faced so—called trolley waits, which have been linked to excess deaths and increased harm. the numbers also reflect a 20% increase on 2022, so ed davey, the lib dem leader, is accusing the prime minister of driving the health service into the ground . denmark now has the ground. denmark now has a king, with frederic the 10th taking the throne. he succeeds his mother , queen margareta, who his mother, queen margareta, who formally abdicated after 52 years as monarch . the king, his years as monarch. the king, his australian born wife mary, who is now queen and their children waved to huge crowds from the balcony of christiansborg palace as king charles and queen camilla have sent their best wishes . a volcano is once again wishes. a volcano is once again erupting in south—west iceland at lava , which has been seen at lava, which has been seen spewing into the air, is now

flowing towards the fishing town of grindavik , which has been of grindavik, which has been evacuated for a second time. residents were also forced to leave their homes last month . leave their homes last month. the country's president, though, says lives are not in danger. but infrastructure is under threat. it's the fifth option on the peninsula since 2021. this is gb news. we're live on tv on your digital radio and on your smart . your digital radio and on your smart. speaker your digital radio and on your smart . speaker two now it's back smart. speaker two now it's back to . nana. to. nana. >> hello. good afternoon. it's just fast approaching. five minutes after 3:00. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. but first of all, let me introduce you to my head to head is joining me today, political commentator benedict spence and also political commentator matthew stadlen. so here's what's coming up in this hour. it's called the clash. uh, that's i've renamed it now because somebody stole my name head head . patrick christys, because somebody stole my name head ianyway,|trick christys, because somebody stole my name head ianyway, uh,< christys, because somebody stole my name head ianyway, uh, thousands actually. anyway, uh, thousands of pro—palestinian protesters

marched on london yesterday calling for a ceasefire in gaza as part of a global day for action. now taking place across 30 countries. six people were arrested in london, including three of which were under the terrorism act. i'll asking is terrorism act. i'll be asking is it time for the police to properly crack down on these protests now.7 the properly crack down on these protests now? the first set of migrants, heard , to migrants, as you've heard, to cross the english channel, have arrived with 150 arrived this weekend with 150 crossing into yesterday . crossing into dover yesterday. now, this was the first for 27 days we'll be discussing whether the strategy should the government's strategy should be turning back the be the start of turning back the boats. emerged that boats. and it's now emerged that the minister, sir the former prime minister, sir tony blair, is now caught up in the office scandal. yes, he the post office scandal. yes, he was warned . uh, he was was not warned. uh, he was warned not to scrap the horizon it system, despite being told it was plagued with problems because it would damage relations japan . we'll be relations with japan. we'll be debating whether he should lose his the his knighthood despite the government getting involved in another , this time in another conflict, this time in yemen. also emerged that yemen. it's also emerged that 3 in 10 soldiers are currently unfit to fight in a conflict amid the military's ongoing

recruitment crisis . so i'll be recruitment crisis. so i'll be asking, is it time to bring back national service and as ever, civil servants. they're back on the menu. have they overstepped the menu. have they overstepped the mark after whitehall diversity told civil diversity ambassador told civil servants schools that servants working in schools that trans gender children's demands for blockers should be for puberty blockers should be should precedent over their should take precedent over their parents will be debating that as well. that's coming up. but tell me what you think as ever, on everything we're discussing. email gb views gb news. com or tweet me at . gb news. so of tweet me at. gb news. so of course, today marks the 100 days since the october 7th massacre that saw hamas kill 1200 israelis and take 240 people hostage and since then, we've seen months of war in gaza with heavy losses on both sides, including more than 20,000 casualties in gaza, to according the hamas run health ministry. and today in london, we stand with israel is an events that's taking place as thousands gather to stand in solidarity so

joining me now is gb news london reporter lisa hartle. she's at the pro—israeli march now . the pro—israeli march now. >> lisa terrorist launched a barbaric i can hear that that sounds on there. >> so i'll take it straight over to you. what's happening there? >> they massacre. >> they massacre. >> i'm beheaded . >> i'm beheaded. >> i'm beheaded. >> hi. just really quick because i'm joined by one of the event organisers, and he's due on stage in just a minute. so let's just talk to him before has just talk to him before he has to go. tom, thank so much to go. tom, thank you so much for us tell us forjoining us today. tell us what is that you're hoping to what it is that you're hoping to achieve with this event. >> so are 100 days after the >> so we are 100 days after the hamas massacre, hamas happened on homes, we on his people's homes, and we are here say that we are are here to say that we are still have 136, 200 over 136 people hostage is still in captivity and over one. the world needs to know that there are people without any information regarding them. regarding the their mental, their physical wellness. and people need to know that governments need to do in the hands of everything they can in their hands in order to to,

release them from hostage attention and can you see an end to this ? to this? >> because no hostages have been released since november. what do you think needs to be done to see more hostages released and with you? >> well, first, i think that the qatari government needs to intervene in these efforts and make the most efforts that they can do in order to release them . can do in order to release them. uh, hamas needs to understand that civilians cannot be a part of the equation and part of any equafion. of the equation and part of any equation . um, and of course , a equation. um, and of course, a war is a horrible thing, and we need to end it, but we need to bnng need to end it, but we need to bring these people home, are brought home. >> thank you so much for waiting for us. thank you. >> support. >> support. >> we had to dash off back onto stage there so this stage to speak. there so this event, you can hear, there's event, as you can hear, there's many on the stage. many speakers on the stage. there's of people here many speakers on the stage. th trafalgar of people here many speakers on the stage. thtrafalgar square if people here many speakers on the stage. th trafalgar square and ople here many speakers on the stage. thtrafalgar square and this here in trafalgar square and this eventis in trafalgar square and this event is due to go on for a couple more store. yes couple more hours. store. yes >> you very much, lisa. >> thank you very much, lisa. thank you. lisa hartle there at the marshall. of the pro—israeli marshall. of course, have been taking course, things have been taking an interesting turn because britain could strike houthi

targets in yemen again. foreign secretary lord david cameron has said he feels odd, doesn't it? lord david cameron said that if the continues to the rebel group continues to attack in the red sea. uk attack ships in the red sea. uk forces could strike back. now. this as defence secretary this comes as defence secretary grant shapps told iran to urge its allies to cease and desist as the world is running out of patience. so joining me now is gb news political correspondent olivia olivia . so talk me olivia utley olivia. so talk me through the developments . i through the developments. i mean, we have been listening. we heard that sir keir starmer was saying that actually parliament should be consulted should always be consulted on strikes this . talk to me strikes like this. talk to me about where are with about where we are with everything . everything. >> well, david cameron wrote a piece in the daily telegraph today saying that britain would be prepared to strike again if necessary. the question is, what happens with parliament this time? the strikes took place on a sunday evening. remember it's not just the uk doing this. there are nine other nations, including the us involved and there was a un security

resolution backing the move to strike. the move to strike happened on sunday night. uh, the uk had a say in that obviously, but it wasn't purely up to the uk . and rishi sunak up to the uk. and rishi sunak made the decision not to recall parliament in order to debate that strike before it went ahead. now keir starmer actually says that although parliament approval is desirable before a strike like this, he backs rishi sunak's decision not to recall parliament on sunday evening and to go ahead with it. meanwhile the liberal democrats say that rishi sunak should have recalled parliament, uh, on sunday before the strikes took place. now now where does that leave us? essentially, keir starmer has a problem because although all of his shadow cabinet are on side with him and back, the prime minister in, in, uh, in in striking without parliamentary pre—approval , there are quite a pre—approval, there are quite a lot of left wing labour backbench lawyers who disagree

at the sort of corbynite wing of the party are saying loudly on social media and in their constituencies that rishi sunak should have got parliamentary approval. now, this might seem like a sort of small issue for the labour party at the moment, but given david cameron saying that could well be strikes that there could well be strikes again in future, or at least again in the future, or at least certainly that certainly not ruling that out, this growing this could become a growing issue starmer. and of issue for keir starmer. and of course, when it comes to foreign policy , see keir starmer is policy, see keir starmer is still ruling over a divided party on most domestic issues. the labour party presents a unhed the labour party presents a united front . but as we saw when united front. but as we saw when there were a big group of labour mps calling for a ceasefire in gaza and keir starmer actually lost a shadow cabinet minister overit lost a shadow cabinet minister over it on foreign affairs, the left and the right of the conservative party, the right being where keir starmer is, are very split indeed. and in a general election year that could end up being a bit of an issue. >> mhm. yeah. it does seem that he's a very inexperienced as

well on any foreign policy, whereas david cameron obviously has olivia, has that experience. olivia, thank much for your thank you so much for your thoughts. that's olivia utley uh, she's there in our westminster studio. right. let's, in welcome let's, uh, get stuck in welcome again panellists for the again to my panellists for the clash , political commentator clash, political commentator benedict spence and also political commentator matthew stadlen . okay, so firstly, i stadlen. okay, so firstly, i want to talk about the story that we were just discussing. are the uk right to join the houthi strikes? i'm going to start you, benedict. start with you, benedict. >> think they're >> oh, i think they're absolutely do so. absolutely right to do so. >> actually have >> you can't actually have a situation where a terrorist organisation feels that it can act with impunity, attacking not military ships and not just israeli ships. >> it was attacking. >> actually, it was attacking. they attacking anything >> actually, it was attacking. theymoved|ttacking anything >> actually, it was attacking. theymoved in|cking anything >> actually, it was attacking. theymoved in|ckirregion.|ing >> actually, it was attacking. theymoved innckirregion. it's that moved in the region. it's quite clear that is about. quite clear what that is about. that intimidation. it's that is intimidation. it's piracy, you piracy, it's terrorism. you can't actually just sort of sit there and go, oh yes, well, we've got a both sides. this. no, actually it's not simply a question british shipping question of british shipping or american this american shipping. this is internationally actually, if internationally and actually, if you aspiring to global you are aspiring to be a global leader, you need to take the leader, you do need to take the leader, you do need to take the lead sometimes and lead on this. sometimes and i think we've got to be aware that

there's this isn't simply a there's not this isn't simply a question around sort of israel—palestine or the houthis or whatever. >> states are our >> the united states are our biggest ally, and we're biggest military ally, and we're currently having some trouble getting funding getting them to release funding for ukraine. >> actually, going to >> actually, if we're going to take on this, as we did take the lead on this, as we did with ukraine, know, we with ukraine, you know, we bought ukrainians a lot of bought the ukrainians a lot of time by emptying our own coffers in for the united in order for the united states to of on track, get on to sort of get on track, get on side, there has be a bit of side, there has to be a bit of quid pro there. quid pro quo there. >> the united states says, well, we're to do this. we're going to do this. >> are you with us or not? it's it the best it doesn't give the best impression to your biggest ally to well, we're not sure to say, oh, well, we're not sure we recall parliament. >> we don't really want to get our dirty. our hands dirty. >> actually, sometimes you have to bite the bullet and say, yes, absolutely. to get absolutely. we're going to get involved this because it's involved with this because it's the to do. and you the right thing to do. and you also recognise why it is also need to recognise why it is that very many labour that there are very many labour mps liberal democrats who that there are very many labour mp�*calling beral democrats who that there are very many labour mp�*calling foral democrats who that there are very many labour mp�*calling for thiszmocrats who that there are very many labour mp�*calling for this to ocrats who that there are very many labour mp�*calling for this to go its who are calling for this to go before parliament. are calling for this to go befit'sparliament. are calling for this to go befit's notiament. are calling for this to go befit's not because they >> it's not because they actually want scrutiny, it's because this way laid. because they want this way laid. >> want it to stop. >> they want it to stop. >> they want it to stop. >> they want it to stop. >> they don't want there to be

military houthis. military strikes on the houthis. and some of them and that's because some of them certainly own certainly within their own constituents, consider audiences are sympathetic the houthi are sympathetic to the houthi cause. now, that's very cause. now, that's all very well and don't and good, but we don't necessarily have accept that necessarily have to accept that british policy should be british foreign policy should be waylaid those waylaid by those people. >> i just briefly, >> i was just briefly, you mentioned america mentioned about, um, america being what about being our eyes, but what about afghanistan? about the afghanistan? what about the pullout mean, pullout in afghanistan? i mean, that shameful. it was shameful. >> but unfortunately, that is the the world. if the the way of the world. if the united states is sole united states is the sole military superpower we've military superpower that we've attached to, if you attached ourselves to, if you are in a situation with and are in a situation with them and you're prepared put those you're not prepared to put those resources yourself, well then resources in yourself, well then sometimes pull sometimes you do have to pull out. that what happened out. i think that what happened with debacle with afghanistan was a debacle was but again, that was disgraceful. but again, that was disgraceful. but again, that was trump's was under president trump's original plan as well as joe biden the person. no, no, biden being the person. no, no, it cross section. it was it was a cross section. it was a cross section of two different presidents. with presidents. and what with the new coming right new president coming in right now? new president coming in right novbut new president coming in right nov but the point new president coming in right novbut the point is, new president coming in right nov but the point is, the new president coming in right novbut the point is, the point >> but the point is, the point i'm is that the i'm making is that the disastrous way it was done so that that really had nothing to do. this well do. oh, but this isn't. well that's point making. that's the point i'm making. >> these aren't the same >> but these aren't the same sort of thing at all. we're not putting boots the ground in putting boots on the ground in

yemen. talking yemen. nobody's talking about an invasion of yemen. nobody's talking about an occupation that's different of that's a very different kind of operation. >> weren't informed >> but we weren't informed about. realised >> but we weren't informed abouwere realised >> but we weren't informed abouwere doing realised >> but we weren't informed abouwere doing it realised >> but we weren't informed abouwere doing it and realised >> but we weren't informed abouwere doing it and reito.ed they were doing it and had to join in. >> so you're saying no, no, we were informed. we informed, >> so you're saying no, no, we wer> so you're saying no, no, we wer> so you're saying no, no, we wer> no, that's a >> no, no, no, that's a different no, different thing. no no no, that's that's not how that's not that's not quite how it that's not quite right. it is. >> matthew stadlen i think we were right to strike at were right to to, strike at these houthi targets. these houthi rebel targets. >> had much >> i don't see that we had much of backdrop, of of a choice. the backdrop, of course, to so of isn't course, to so much of this isn't necessarily in necessarily what's going on in israel, although i'm sure we'll talk about later. it is talk about that later. it is this proxy that this massive proxy war that is playing shia iran playing out between shia iran and arabia, and the and sunni saudi arabia, and the prime that prime battlefield for that has been yemen, nearly been in yemen, where nearly 400,000 people have lost their lives in that conflict , many lives in that conflict, many through military means , many through military means, many also through famine and so forth. so that's the backdrop. the big question in terms of where we go next is what if this actually emboldens the houthis further? because if you read the analysis, there's a sense in which their desperate nana for the limelight, right? and they're craving being the centre

of international attention and that they may ratchet up the attacks . let's hope that what we attacks. let's hope that what we have done with america and other allies is to properly deplete their resources . rs. but given their resources. rs. but given that iran is their backer, one has to. one has to at least leave that open to question what happens if this becomes an entrenched conflict? are we there for the long terme? how expensive is it? and are we actually going to be effective in freeing up that essential trading route? 15% of global trade goes through that area of the red sea . the red sea. >> why do you think that others didn't really get on the back of it, so italy didn't get involved straight mean, there it, so italy didn't get involved straigother mean, there it, so italy didn't get involved straigother european 1, there it, so italy didn't get involved straigother european countries it, so italy didn't get involved strai were r european countries it, so italy didn't get involved straiwere , european countries it, so italy didn't get involved strai were , you pean countries it, so italy didn't get involved strai were , you know, ountries it, so italy didn't get involved straiwere , you know, very'ies it, so italy didn't get involved strai were , you know, very timid that were, you know, very timid about easier not about involvement, easier not to, isn't it? >> i mean, we have that old friendship america and in friendship with america and in this case, we seem to have stood tall and honoured. it easier not to because of course, there has always the threat when you get involved in middle east and conflicts of blowback your conflicts of blowback on your own territory and of terrorism.

>> um , do you think this sort of >> um, do you think this sort of slightly marks a sort of a dividing within the european union? because they're supposed to act unilaterally , and there to act unilaterally, and there are now there are now factions in there. do you think that this is this is sort of the beginnings of a european union that could potentially fragment, i know what the answer to i don't know what the answer to that is on this particular issue, never someone issue, but i was never someone who thought that we should have a when we a common foreign policy when we were of the european were members of the european union . yeah. that's interesting. union. yeah. that's interesting. you that interesting . so, you say that interesting. so, benedict, to you, come benedict, finally to you, i come back to you on this one. then so did you think that this is did you think then that this is the approach , though? this the right approach, though? this is approach it is the right approach backing it all. we do that, do you all. and if we do that, do you see sort of exit strategy see a sort of exit strategy after i i do think after this? i mean, i do think it's the right approach because, you far you've got you know, thus far you've got lots well, lots of people saying, oh, well, what we sucked in. what have we get sucked in. >> is a bad idea, >> intervention is a bad idea, but actually offering >> intervention is a bad idea, but an actually offering >> intervention is a bad idea, but an alternative.lly offering >> intervention is a bad idea, but an alternative. you ffering you an alternative. you occasionally these slightly occasionally hear these slightly despondent calls oh, despondent calls of, oh, what about you know, despondent calls of, oh, what aboutyou're you know, despondent calls of, oh, what aboutyou're dealing you know, despondent calls of, oh, what aboutyou're dealing with>u know, when you're dealing with ideologically hardline ideologically very hardline organisations like ideologically very hardline orgthouthis,; like ideologically very hardline orgthouthis, there's like ideologically very hardline orgthouthis, there's no like ideologically very hardline orgthouthis, there's no point.ike the houthis, there's no point in having diplomacy have having diplomacy unless you have them wall, because

them up against a wall, because that's that they that's actually all that they understand. if they the understand. and if they get the chance, just on chance, they'll just keep on hitting again. so yes, this hitting you again. so yes, this is best response and it is the best response and it needs to be heavy is the needs to be very heavy is the thing. because i think matthew's right. it's about depleting their capacities. now you know, a invasion of yemen their capacities. now you know, a would nvasion of yemen their capacities. now you know, a would be sion of yemen their capacities. now you know, a would be far] of yemen their capacities. now you know, a would be far moreamen that would be far more difficult. actually they are difficult. but actually they are limited in terms of they limited in terms of what they can launch in shipping lanes in the sea, because what they the red sea, because what they have is only what iran, uh, equips with. iran not equips them with. iran was not actually, the of the actually, i think of the of the perspective this going perspective that this was going to what houthis were for. to be what the houthis were for. they were, as you say, primarily there thorn in the there to cause a thorn in the side saudi arabia and the side for saudi arabia and the uae. predominantly uae. and that was predominantly a not an a land based conflict, not an amphibious iran is amphibious one. now, iran is probably going to keep trying amphibious one. now, iran is pr but it's very hard for the saudis to get a grip of that conflict. i mean, they haven't been wildly successful, and they and they have been armed by the we st. west. >> it is. but i don't think you can necessarily equate the armed forces saudi arabia the forces of saudi arabia or the uae because they very uae just because they have very good the standards uae just because they have very goortraining the standards uae just because they have very

goortraining of, the standards uae just because they have very goortraining of, say, the standards uae just because they have very goortraining of, say, the unitedds and training of, say, the united states or any western forces. states or any of western forces. ultimately, we saw in ultimately, as we saw in afghanistan, give people ultimately, as we saw in afgibesttan, give people ultimately, as we saw in afgibest equipment give people ultimately, as we saw in afgibest equipment give world. the best equipment in the world. that mean it makes that doesn't mean that it makes them fighter. them a very effective fighter. >> understanding is >> although my understanding is that we've had a or a woman that we've had a man or a woman in the room sometimes in these operational command centres, trying to make sure that the saudis their saudis are laser like in their precision. again i also my understanding that they understanding is that they haven't this haven't been. but to widen this quickly to the domestic political context, to get there , political context, to get there, i was just going respond to i was just going to respond to what saying about what olivia was saying about splits labour party . splits within the labour party. i'm sure there are some backbench figures who don't support the sort of foreign policy that i would, as someone who identifies as on the centre left and i think it's absurd that jeremy corbyn, unbelievable that jeremy corbyn, unbelievable that he was leader of the labour party as recently as he was, thinks that we shouldn't have struck at these targets. i mean, i tweeted, i struck at these targets. i mean, itweeted, i said struck at these targets. i mean, i tweeted, i said to him on x or twitter or whatever it is called these days, and i said, jeremy, what are you going to do? you're going to head up a delegation in to go and meet the houthis and try persuade them stop

try and persuade them to stop attacking ships. this is attacking ships. i mean, this is fantasy stuff. however fantasy land stuff. however where we do have very, where we do have a very, very nasty recent history of our involvements east. involvements in the middle east. you afghanistan, of you mentioned afghanistan, of course, we're course, there's iraq. and we're going tony blair going to talk about tony blair later. there's which later. there's libya, which david in in david cameron was involved in in the early so we have to the early 2010. so we have to tread very carefully. corbyn tread very carefully. and corbyn has right at times in the has been right at times in the past. i would just say that we saw from starmer there he is clearly sensible centre of the clearly a sensible centre of the road person who i think the majority of the british public can trust with our foreign policy is very different to some of those backbench labour mps. >> just finally to you, because, he said is sensible he said starmer is sensible and we can trust him. >> i think he's certainly more sensible than jeremy corbyn sensible than than jeremy corbyn and corbyn not and i think jeremy corbyn is not actually what actually motivated by what is the right to do in the the right thing to do in the middle because he middle east. it's because he supports middle east. it's because he supponwhich are actually causes which are actually juxtaposed against what britain's interests and britain's best interests in, and that concerns about that really concerns me about a lot labour mps actually, lot of labour mps actually, their their main priorities are not of their own not the welfare of their own constituents. they are foreign conflicts, ideologies constituents. they are foreign conflicts, nothing deologies constituents. they are foreign conflicts, nothing to>logies constituents. they are foreign conflicts, nothing to do;ies constituents. they are foreign conflicts, nothing to do with that have nothing to do with this. keir starmer has very this. keir starmer has been very measured about all of this

because he understands, unlike the average mp who the average labour mp who doesn't get this, you doesn't seem to get this, you might up having to be the might end up having to be the person who picks the to person who picks up the phone to the president of the united states or the prime minister of israel, why is israel, and explain why it is that government a that your government has taken a certain position major certain position and the major effects for your economy, for the ramifications effects for your economy, for the that ramifications effects for your economy, for the that have. ifications that that can have. >> very to talk about >> it's very easy to talk about very average labour mp. >> very easy. >> it's very easy. >> it's very easy. >> it's very easy. >> it's very against starmer. >> it's very against starmer. >> easy. >> it's very easy. >> it's very easy. >> a labour going back >> being a labour mp, going back to and saying, to your constituents and saying, yes, for social yes, we're fighting for social justice syria or libya or justice in syria or libya or wherever . it is. ultimately, wherever. it is. ultimately, when you don't have to make those big decisions, which somebody like starmer understands, i think well, especially understands, i think well, esp so ally understands, i think well, espso long, it's quite easy to talk. >> but when it's time to act, we see happens there. well, see what happens there. well, let's thoughts in gb let's get your thoughts in gb views gb news comments. just coming after views gb news comments. just comiri'm after views gb news comments. just comiri'm akua. after views gb news comments. just comiri'm akua. thisifter views gb news comments. just comiri'm akua. thisiftegb 3:00, i'm nana akua. this is gb news tv, and on news on tv, online and on digital radio. up, digital radio. coming up, despite the government getting involved another conflict, despite the government getting invotime another conflict, despite the government getting invotime in another conflict, despite the government getting invotime inanother it'sflict, despite the government getting invotime inanother it's emerged this time in yemen, it's emerged that 3 in soldiers are that 3 in 10 soldiers are currently unfit to fight in a conflict amid the military's ongoing recruitment crisis. so

i'll be asking, is it time to bnng i'll be asking, is it time to bring back national service? but up next, prime minister tony blair or ex—prime minister tony blair, who is now caught in blair, who is now caught up in the scandal ? yes, he the post office scandal? yes, he was not warned to scrap the horizon. it system despite being told it was plagued with problems because it would damage relations with japan . we'll be relations with japan. we'll be discussing that in a few moments

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>> good afternoon. 26 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news we are the people's channel. this is a big story. the public inquiry into the post office scandal has led to even more questions over how hundreds of branch managers were wrongly convicted of theft, according to the telegraph. at the end of the 90s, the foreign office warned the prime minister, sir tony blair, that scrapping the honzon blair, that scrapping the horizon scheme would damage relations with japan. now the former prime minister ordered officials to go ahead with the new post office it system, despite being told that it had been plagued with problems. now that independent it expert had found these problems, so should tony blair be held to account ? tony blair be held to account? well, joining me, going head to headin well, joining me, going head to head in the clash, matthew statland and benedict spence . statland and benedict spence. matthew stadlen if tony blair did anything wrong, if and it's an important word there, then obviously he needs to be held to account in some form. >> i mean, you asked earlier whether his his knighthood

should withdrawn. are should be withdrawn. there are plenty of questions as to whether should have whether he should have got a knighthood in first place, knighthood in the first place, given of the iraq given the disaster of the iraq war and what unfolded war strategy and what unfolded after invasion . on the after the invasion. on the specifics of this and in the telegraph piece, his own spokesman, and you might expect him to come out in defence of sir blair. his own sir tony blair. but his own spokesman said that blair blair's concern . really was blair's only concern. really was to get a viable system, agreed that would actually deliver what the government wanted, that that was, was the suggestion. was, that was the suggestion. so, mean, this is a so, look, i mean, this is a thorny issue. and there would have been no doubt lots of two things. throwings the things. and throwings at the time. we really need to get on top of the actual detail before we start condemning blair on this particular issue. >> but he but it's clear that he would been aware that there >> but he but it's clear that he woul�*problemsen aware that there >> but he but it's clear that he woul�*problemsen avithe that there >> but he but it's clear that he woul�*problemsen avithe system,re were problems with the system, and had only looked at and if he had only looked at that if you if you are somebody who's leading this and you have been told about problems yet . been told about problems yet. you are trying to satisfy another master, if that's why i use the word if, and it's a tiny word that does a lot of heavy

lifting. >> but if it was made clear to blair that this system was riddled with problems, but he decided ahead it decided to go ahead with it anyway, it anyway, i mean, to continue it because he inherited it from the tories in 1997, decided to go ahead with it anyway for ulterior motives, you know, to keep japan happy then that keep japan happy, then that would be totally, totally wrong. having the article, having looked at the article, i'm that. if it i'm not convinced of that. if it is case, then that's very is the case, then that's very bad. >> well, it does m bad. >> benedictioes m bad. >> benedict ies m bad. >> benedict i agree bad. bad. >> benedict i agree b'matthew >> benedict i agree with matthew that this is possibly not the thing over which we should question whether or not tony blair should have got a knighthood. i think there are a long list of things there, but equally, i think that the honours system deeply flawed honours system is deeply flawed in and that nobody in this country. and that nobody really too seriously really takes it too seriously anyway or he anyway as to whether or not he should account. should be held to account. obviously he should be held to account there concrete account if there is concrete evidence aware evidence that he was aware that it and he still it was flawed and he still pushed ahead anyway, i say that even need recognise even though we need to recognise that in a very sort of that in a in a very sort of globalised world do globalised world where we do rely on companies and rely on foreign companies and foreign to perform foreign governments to perform certain elsewhere, certain tasks elsewhere, sometimes get mixed up

sometimes things do get mixed up where they shouldn't do. i mean, you've got to bear in mind, actually, fujitsu has actually, that fujitsu has billions worth of billions of pounds worth of contracts across all sorts of areas of the uk, most which areas of the uk, most of which actually perform very well. it's, , a very it's, broadly speaking, a very successful company, otherwise it simply have got to the simply wouldn't have got to the size it is. i also do size that it is. i also do wonder whether or not sometimes a like tony blair is a large name like tony blair is thrown out to distract from people lower down the chain, who perhaps actually had more say over this, who aren't perhaps as well known from the blame being pointed at them. and i think, you know, for instance, we often see this with sir keir starmer oven see this with sir keir starmer over, you know, he was in charge. was the director of charge. he was the director of pubuc charge. he was the director of public prosecutions when people were prosecuted. he should be held kind of held to account. you kind of think, okay, he was at the think, okay, but he was at the top of a very large organisation, and only organisation, and he could only work information that work with the information that was him. and whilst was presented to him. and whilst i does i understand, but he does have to was presented to stop with tony was presented with this information. >> we see here. >> as far as we can see here. well, has he responded that well, has he responded to that and and he knew and he went along and he knew that the system was plagued with problems. >> we need to know what well, we

need to hear what his response to that is. and thing is, i, to that is. and the thing is, i, whilst very much aware that whilst i am very much aware that people of the chain, people at the top of the chain, they are ultimately where the responsibility lies. i do think we would very in this we would do very well in this country aware country to be aware that actually information that a prime a director of prime minister or a director of pubuc prime minister or a director of public prosecutions whatever prime minister or a director of publpersonecutions whatever prime minister or a director of publperson mights whatever prime minister or a director of publperson mights whaonly' that person might be, can only act of what act within the remit of what they presented and they are presented with. and actually, to clear actually, we do need to be clear what information is because what that information is because we've of dominic we've had plenty of dominic cummings, for instance, has been on at length about the on record at length about the amount of information that was withheld or withheld from boris johnson or given about given to boris johnson about what certain people saying what certain people were saying whilst as whilst he was in number 10. as an example how governments an example of how governments simply doesn't function effectively in this country. now, whatever you think of dominic i do think dominic cummings, i do think that a lot be said that there is a lot to be said there the flow of there for how the flow of information civil information from the civil service, different service, from various different government departments, it affects outcomes and it isn't always entirely clear. and i think actually there is a question sound like you're question you sound like you're almost excusing him. almost kind of excusing him. >> like you're making >> it sounds like you're making a to get out a pathway for him to get out of this. really. at end of this. not really. at the end of the at the end of the the day, when at the end of the day, had been a success day, if this had been a success and been great thing, and it had been a great thing, he have taken the honours. and it had been a great thing, he he have taken the honours. and it had been a great thing, he he getsiave taken the honours. and it had been a great thing, he he gets are taken the honours. and it had been a great thing, he he gets a knighthood honours. and it had been a great thing, he he gets a knighthood fornours. so he gets a knighthood for certain was

certain things that he was supposedly doing. don't know supposedly doing. i don't know why a knighthood anyway. supposedly doing. i don't know viwould a knighthood anyway. supposedly doing. i don't know viwould neverknighthood anyway. supposedly doing. i don't know viwould never have thood anyway. supposedly doing. i don't know viwould never have given anyway. supposedly doing. i don't know viwould never have given himvay. i would never have given him one, but this would have been part his remit. one of the part of his remit. one of the reasons have been reasons why he would have been given so given this knighthood. so he gets great things when gets all these great things when good things happen around him. so something bad, so when there's something bad, then it's fair to then i don't think it's fair to then i don't think it's fair to then oh, well, didn't then say, oh, well, we didn't know to know how close he was to the action. not ignoring. action. i'm not ignoring. >> not. come in. action. i'm not ignoring. >> let'siot. come in. action. i'm not ignoring. >> let's go.come in. action. i'm not ignoring. >> let's go. yeah, in. for it. >> let's go. yeah, go for it. >> his spokesman said the implicit idea that tony blair received warnings and ignored them is categorically wrong. now, i can't be and now, look, i can't be judge and jury now, look, i can't be judge and jury issue jury on this particular issue where there are lots of. yeah, i will you a and one. my will give you a cent and one. my view a political commentator view as a political commentator is proved tony is if it is proved that tony blair did something wrong, then of needs to take of course he needs to take his share accountability on the issue. >> so in that, in that, would you be tempted to say that perhaps it's one of the things that things that that of the many things that he's that maybe it's time he's done, that maybe it's time to retract his knighthood? >> well, i felt very uncomfortable the place uncomfortable in the first place with getting with tony blair getting a knighthood when we know what happened. >> as consequence >> and as a direct consequence of failed policy. of the failed iraq policy. >> said that it sounded of the failed iraq policy. >.little said that it sounded of the failed iraq policy. >.little bit said that it sounded of the failed iraq policy. >.little bit like aid that it sounded of the failed iraq policy. >.little bit like id that it sounded of the failed iraq policy. >.little bit like i wasat it sounded of the failed iraq policy. >.little bit like i was excusing ded a little bit like i was excusing him. i need to make this point.

we going prime we keep on going through prime ministers in ministers and governments in this country. and actually something that seems to be fairly the fairly consistent is that the system itself and the transparency system transparency of the system itself with any itself doesn't change with any of ministers. and of those prime ministers. and that's saying. i'm all that's what i'm saying. i'm all for investigating tony blair or whatever in this, whatever his role was in this, and for holding him to account. whatever his role was in this, and ior holding him to account. whatever his role was in this, and i would ing him to account. whatever his role was in this, and i would ing it0| to account. whatever his role was in this, and i would ing it0| to a(what:. whatever his role was in this, and i would ing it0| to a(what is but i would like to know what is it the system itself, it about the system itself, which is populated by people lower down the chain and the flows information they flows of information that they have control of? what is it about that system that means we keep getting situations. keep on getting situations. at the tory the start of this tory government, inquiry government, we had a re inquiry into disaster into the hillsborough disaster and that was all laid now and that was all laid open. now we've in the middle we've got this one in the middle of we've the of it. we've got the covid inquiry. seems be the inquiry. that seems to be the constant. well it does i well inquiry. that seems to be the contrue,. well it does i well inquiry. that seems to be the contrue, inell it does i well inquiry. that seems to be the contrue, i thinkt does i well it's true, i think civil servants should also lot servants should also have a lot to answer for. >> yes, i would agree with that too. listen, what do you too. but listen, what do you think? gb views gbnews.com or tweet news. this is gb tweet me at gb news. this is gb news on tv, online and on news live on tv, online and on digital coming up, we'll digital radio coming up, we'll be national be talking about a national service that should be talking about a national serbrought that should be talking about a national serbrought back. that should be talking about a national serbrought back. but:hat should be talking about a national serbrought back. but first,hould be brought back. but first, let's get your latest news headunes let's get your latest news headlines with sanchez .

nana >> thank you. it's 333. this is the latest the government has denied britain's aircraft carriers cannot be sent to the middle east because of a recruitment crisis . on thursday, recruitment crisis. on thursday, the us and uk struck houthi targets in yemen after months of attacks in the red sea . attacks in the red sea. >> britain's involvement entailed for raf jets flying around trip of more than 3000 miles from cyprus , as multiple miles from cyprus, as multiple reports have claimed, the navy can't send its carriers to the region because of a shortage in personnel. >> but defence ministerjames cartlidge says that's not the case. >> there is no truth whatsoever in the suggestion that we cannot deploy the carrier . i'm in the suggestion that we cannot deploy the carrier. i'm pleased to confirm both our carriers are in portsmouth. they are at readiness and they are available to be deployed if needed. if the operational decision is that thatis operational decision is that that is the appropriate response , a rally marking 100 days since the october seventh massacre in israel is being staged in central london. >> thousands of people have

gathered in trafalgar square, with many holding posters with images of people who are still being held hostage by the hamas terror group. others are waving persian flags with a sun and a lion in the centre, representing opposition to the iranian government . five migrants are government. five migrants are now known to have died trying to cross the english channel overnight. french officials say a small boat carrying dozens of people got into difficulties just off a beach north of the port of boulogne. a further two migrant boats arrived in the uk waters this morning, and at least 100 people were taken to dover and denmark now has a king with frederic the 10th taking the throne , succeeding his the throne, succeeding his mother, queen margrethe who's formally abdicated after 52 years as monarch. the king, his australian born wife mary, who is now queen, and their children waved to huge crowds from the balcony of christiansborg palace. king charles and queen camilla have sent their best

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that i knew had dewbs& co weeknights from six. >> good afternoon. if you just tuned in, welcome on board 39 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. i'm nana akua. we are the people's channel in its time. of course for the clash. now overnight, five migrants drowned in the english channel after their boat got into their small boat got into difficulties several other difficulties and several other migrants been treated for migrants have been treated for the effects of the cold. after being . thrown into freezing being. thrown into freezing water. small boat crossings have resumed after a spell of bad weather, which temporarily paused the crossings . weather, which temporarily paused the crossings. but it seems that as soon as it's almost as though knew the almost as though they knew the weather to turn good, weather was going to turn good, which then they announced that there'd been no crossings . then there'd been no crossings. then literally the next day there were crossings with the government yet to put place were crossings with the gov< real ent yet to put place were crossings with the gov< real deterrent put place were crossings with the gov< real deterrent t01t place were crossings with the gov< real deterrent t01t them any real deterrent to stop them from happening. all from happening. but this all comes was reported comes after it was reported yesterday that 4300 of the original in the uk original 5000 migrants in the uk who the who were earmarked for the rwanda flights have gone missing. is it time to turn

missing. so is it time to turn the boats back ? well, joining me the boats back? well, joining me to discuss this, matthew stadlen and benedict spence, we'll start with you, benedict. >> i mean, it was time to send the boats back about five years ago. that's how long this has been on and i think been going on for. and i think it's disgraceful that the government with it's disgraceful that the gov farce ant with it's disgraceful that the gov farce ant the with it's disgraceful that the gov farce ant the rwanda with it's disgraceful that the gov farce ant the rwanda scheme the farce of the rwanda scheme as sort of sideshow, as this sort of little sideshow, which i assumed when it was first a couple of years which i assumed when it was first now, a couple of years which i assumed when it was first now, it a couple of years which i assumed when it was first now, it was:ouple of years which i assumed when it was first now, it was simply )f years which i assumed when it was first now, it was simply as'ears ago now, it was simply as a distraction technique. but no, they've with it, and they've pushed on with it, and they're make out they're trying to make a law out of something everything of something that everything everybody going to everybody knows isn't going to work. real of work. i think the real sort of alarming start this is alarming start to all of this is that were talking about tony that we were talking about tony blair minutes ago under blair a few minutes ago under his , britain his government, uh, britain deported times as many deported ten times as many people as it does today. and i think that there you see the issue actually, we were able to stop in this country the flow of illegal immigration across the channel and ferries channel tunnel and via ferries by doing that, actually by being very persistent in terms of actually being very fair, letting in people who had claims to on basis of refuge, to be here on basis of refuge, but being pretty zero but actually being pretty zero tolerant when it to people tolerant when it came to people who rights to who absolutely had no rights to

be cracking down hard be here and cracking down hard on gangs, on criminal gangs, this government whatever reason, government for whatever reason, we into those reasons at we can go into those reasons at great we wish. but great length if we wish. but for whatever reason, this government has that and in has failed to do that and in doing only therefore doing so has only therefore encouraged people to come encouraged more people to come across via this route. it is dangerous. yes, it is not fair on people who asylum on people who apply for asylum legally in this country, or who apply work visas legally in apply for work visas legally in this country , and i think it this country, and i think it shows to the world that this government is not serious , that government is not serious, that its real response is to its only real response is to say, ah, the rwanda plan. that'll send a matter of hundreds people at great cost hundreds of people at great cost to the taxpayer, and which probably won't work anyway, seeing as we have to take people that government that the rwandan government wants as well. wants to take as well. outsourcing your own border policy is not policy to a third party is not an of sovereignty. it's laziness. >> well, will you say that? but let's remember that in 2004, it was david blunkett who came up with idea offshoring to with the idea of offshoring to tanzania. so that was actually a laboun >> but they didn't go ahead with it. >> no, but, but but but it was part of work. but the idea, you know, it has been considered and other countries as well. other countries do it as well.

so not such ridiculous so it's not such a ridiculous policy. said policy. the other thing you said about you said about numbers, well, you said that as many, you that there were as many, you know, but we have seen an unprecedented rise of people crossing the channel. matthew stadlen you stadlen well, look, i mean, you were that were worried earlier that i might agree on too many things. >> i'm sure there's plenty on which disagree , but one of which we disagree, but one of the issues for this government is that the rwanda policy, which is that the rwanda policy, which is policy, is is its flagship policy, is uniting people on the left and right as a disastrous policy. i think it's wrong. on two levels. one, because it's not going to work and two, because it's immoral . work and two, because it's immoral. right? so we might disagree on the immorality , disagree on the immorality, although i was heartened to hear benedict saying we shouldn't be offshoring our responsibilities, i important than i think even more important than the fact that this is uniting people against the government. and fan of this and i'm no fan of this government, is the human beings involved lost, five people involved lives lost, five people dead on the boat. let me make my point. >> don't get on a boat. don't get on a boat. >> of course, of course they shouldn't get on the boat. exactly. but hang but you go exactly. but hang on. but you go and tell them. in calais you take a trip out. we can go and

take a trip out. we can go and take trip out together you take a trip out together if you want calais tell these take a trip out together if you want not lais tell these take a trip out together if you want not tos tell these take a trip out together if you want not to get tell these take a trip out together if you want not to get on ell these take a trip out together if you want not to get on the hese take a trip out together if you want not to get on the boat. people not to get on the boat. it's not going to work. it's a bit well, it's a bit like bit like. well, it's a bit like jeremy corbyn going trying to talk down the hootie. >> the world. >> that's not the real world. >> that's not the real world. >> saying to you >> but i'm just saying to you that did get that if the people did not get on first on the boat in the first instance, then they would put themselves putting themselves harmondsworth putting themselves, themselves harmondsworth putting the they'es, indeed. and they're >> they are indeed. and they're encouraged by vile encouraged and abetted by vile criminal we criminal gangs that we absolutely crack down absolutely need to crack down on. the on. now. it's easy to talk the talk. is talk. okay, as keir starmer is saying something else that benedict said, which is, i think, quite interesting coming from his his side of the political spectrum, is that actually, to actually, if you look back to that labour that that new labour government, that was on immigration was not a soft on immigration government. it just the government. it just wasn't the idea labour, yvette idea that labour, the yvette cooper and keir starmer some cooper and keir starmer are some sort softies. that's wrong. sort of softies. that's wrong. so if you're worried so if you're if you're worried about immigration, i would suggest that labour. labour is the party to go for. but i will i will argue they were also talking about offshoring as well. >> so they are not soft, they're not soft. >> but i would have opposed that and i would have opposed that as i've opposed the rwanda scheme for two reasons that i've already outlined. for two reasons that i've alreadyhaveined. for two reasons that i've

alreadyhaveine remember are >> we have to remember these are human have human beings. five people have lost will lost their lives, will keir starmer a difference? we starmer make a difference? we should be under no illusion that this problem to this is not an easy problem to solve. argue it's an solve. i would argue it's an international so international issue. okay, so lots of countries in europe are already also experiencing this . already also experiencing this. my already also experiencing this. my hope is and it may not turn out that is that starmer is better placed than this tory government to have good relations with the french, good relations with the french, good relations with the europeans, because need cooperate because we need to cooperate and we the question is, we need to get the question is, is it time to turn the boats back? what that back? i don't know what that means. this means. we've clashed on this before, you before, haven't we? what do you mean by it? >> that means, as many other countries on >> that means, as many other c(decent, on >> that means, as many other c(decent, boat on >> that means, as many other c(decent, boat even. on a decent, safe boat even. because you get a boat because even if you get a boat from the channel, they usually board the rescue boat anyway . so board the rescue boat anyway. so rather than them boarding the rescue boat and you turning back and coming back to the uk, taking the boat back to where it came from. >> so, so long as you are actually trying. well, let me let me at time, let me let me at that time, let me answer so long as let me at that time, let me anrpicking so long as let me at that time, let me anrpicking people so long as let me at that time, let me anrpicking people up,so long as let me at that time, let me anrpicking people up, you're| as by picking people up, you're actually rescuing them rather than further endangering them. and assume we're and i assume that that we're both same page as that. both on the same page as that. perhaps didn't realise perhaps we didn't realise that

when clash, i realised when we had a clash, i realised it, but you did so. so long as that's what we're talking about. we're not, we're not, we're not actually,boats back then . the pushing boats back then. the question is, why aren't we doing it because guess it already? because guess what? sunak thought sunak must have thought about it. answer, it. and the answer, unfortunately, this sort unfortunately, is this sort of murky . the uncomfortable murky area. the uncomfortable area for some, if it doesn't go your way of international law, and that is part of it, otherwise we'd be doing it already . already. >> part is >> part of it is catastrophizing, like from people like you who think, oh, you're not at all, why do you think? >> why do you think the government is this? government is doing this? >> probably government is doing this? >> matthew probably government is doing this? >> matthew irobably where matthew and i will disagree. that the disagree. is that actually the solution to do things solution to this is to do things yourselves? i would do yourselves? but how i would do it, i think is quite straightforward. you do what some other countries do, and that you purpose that is that you have purpose built put built centres in which to put people, hotels, not social people, not hotels, not social housing, that. you people, not hotels, not social housirif, that. you people, not hotels, not social housirif you that. you people, not hotels, not social housirif you to that. you people, not hotels, not social housirif you to call|t. you people, not hotels, not social housirif you to call them have, if you want to call them detention whatever, detention centres, whatever, you have a so have them in a place so that they cannot absorb can they cannot absorb and you can be securely safely with be kept securely and safely with all that they all the facilities that they need whilst they're being processed. and if they fail, those application processes, you have funded by have aircraft that are funded by the state, not the british state, not commercial airlines, where people get and try to

people can get upset and try to have removed or have them have people removed or have them delayed. aircraft delayed. you have aircraft funded and when you funded by the state and when you have amount of have the requisite amount of people going to certain people going to a certain country, aircraft takes people going to a certain cou an y, aircraft takes people going to a certain cou an aircraft 'craft takes people going to a certain cou an aircraft funded takes people going to a certain couan aircraft funded by takes people going to a certain cou an aircraft funded by the es off an aircraft funded by the state they're going have state that they're going to have their own airline. >> the that's the army. >> this is the that's the army. >> this is the that's the army. >> out of >> you need to get them out of here and no, actually, here somehow. and no, actually, we be using military we can't be using military aircraft might aircraft because we might actually to do it. actually need those to do it. >> the thing. i just >> that's the thing. i just tell you what the albanian government, need government, you do not need a repatriation agreement with the albanian government or the indian the indian government or the jamaican have their own >> they have to take their own citizens. land with an citizens. if you land with an aircraft, shoot them down. citizens. if you land with an aircifft, shoot them down. citizens. if you land with an airc if i, shoot them down. citizens. if you land with an airc if i don't shoot them down. citizens. if you land with an airc if i don't feel>t them down. citizens. if you land with an airc if i don't feel i'veem down. citizens. if you land with an airc if i don't feel i've sortiown. citizens. if you land with an airc if i don't feel i've sort of'n. >> if i don't feel i've sort of nailed this point about international law quickly, it's a area , but an a thorny area, but it's an important area and if it were possible for us pick these possible for us to pick these people under the rules of the people up under the rules of the sea simply take instead sea and simply take them instead of dover or of taking them to dover or wherever back here to the uk, taking to france. taking them back to france. >> i can you a the >> i can tell you what a the government done that government have done that already, problem is already, but b the problem is you consent as you need the french consent as my understanding richard tice will but you will disagree with me, but you need the on and need the french on board. and for that i hope that a labour government will be better placed for that i hope that a labour g0'far1ment will be better placed for that i hope that a labour g0'far asant will be better placed for that i hope that a labour g0'far as putting be better placed for that i hope that a labour g0'far as putting these tter placed for that i hope that a labour g0'far as putting these people :ed

as far as putting these people in as quickly these in as quickly putting these people rooms so forth , people into rooms and so forth, and then and then find them out, of course , i believe of course, i believe in deportation, where is deportation, where, where it is legal, have to do it legal, but we have to do it humanely, decent standards humanely, with decent standards of living. >> we're not talking about dying i >> k- k— >> we're not appalling conditions . here we go. the conditions. here we go. the catastrophizing again . catastrophizing again. >> die. no one's talking. >> yes, everyone. people, talking. >> yes, edies)ne. people, talking. >> yes, edies ine. people, talking. >> yes, edies ine. peend. listen everyone dies in the end. listen no one's talking about people dying . we're talking about dying. we're talking about turning safe and turning boats back in a safe and efficient, effective manner to stop from getting on the stop people from getting on the boats the place. boats in the first place. >> why aren't we doing it already and risking their lives? the french allow it, but the answer french won't allow it. >> it's not just the french, it's system that it's our own legal system that stops us from doing things like it's our own legal system that stopsandfrom doing things like it's our own legal system that stopsandfr0|course, things like it's our own legal system that stopsandfr0|course, yes,igs like this. and of course, yes, we need and some sort of need to try and get some sort of agreement with the french. but we own worst but we are our own worst enemy. but what do think? at home? gb what do you think? at home? gb views gb news. com tweet me views at gb news. com tweet me at are though, at gb news. we are though, aren't mean literally our aren't we? i mean literally our own system stopping own legal system stopping us from actually sending people back. figures back. but recent figures revealed that nearly 30,000 troops armed forces troops across the armed forces are to fight due to the are unfit to fight due to the combination of physical injury and mental health illnesses. now

the army is particularly affected with only 53,000 out of around about 75,000 personnel currently deemed fully fit for front line operations , and this front line operations, and this indicates that 30% of all army troops, or 3 in 10 soldiers, lack full fitness for conflict. so is it time to try and increase the numbers of our forces and bring back national service? i'm going to come straight to you, matthew staton. i don't think we should have national service. >> why not? i'm quite persuaded by the idea that maybe in your in your summer holiday , between in your summer holiday, between going to school and going to university or taking up a job that maybe all of us do a month of some sort of training where we, where we learn the values of shared citizenship or shared ideals that that might get us somewhere. but the idea of pushing us all into military service, i'm not in favour of not do we have to wear uniforms? >> do we have to march up and down? point at my down? did you just point at my stomach and say that too old stomach and say that i'm too old to military? i can tell you stomach and say that i'm too old

to be military? i can tell you stomach and say that i'm too old to be ailitary? i can tell you stomach and say that i'm too old to be a lot ry? i can tell you stomach and say that i'm too old to be a lot betteran tell you stomach and say that i'm too old to be a lot better than.l you stomach and say that i'm too old to be a lot better than some i'd be a lot better than some soldiers. benedict, i think national . national service. >> service works if >> national service works if you're in a that faces you're in a society that faces an existential crisis. so a country south korea or country like south korea or israel, it works a lot better. >> but they that before >> but they had that before israel well, israel had this for, well, yes, they've for long they've had this for a very long time those countries they've had this for a very long time almost those countries they've had this for a very long time almost permanentlyries they've had this for a very long time almost permanently existed have almost permanently existed in a sort of a state of fear, whereas are whereas actually we are surrounded relatively by countries these days at least, that a lot more friendly. that are a lot more friendly. >> you think that's false >> do you think that's a false sense security? do, yeah, sense of security? i do, yeah, that's i going say. sense of security? i do, yeah, tido s i going say. sense of security? i do, yeah, tido think i going say. sense of security? i do, yeah, tido think that going say. sense of security? i do, yeah, tido think that we joing say. sense of security? i do, yeah, tido think that we live] say. sense of security? i do, yeah, tido think that we live in say. i do think that we live in a slightly sense of slightly false sense of security. i people are security. i think people are slowly to the slowly waking up to the realities world, which is realities of the world, which is simply you realities of the world, which is simplyjust you realities of the world, which is simplyjust because you you realities of the world, which is simplyjust because you live you realities of the world, which is simplyjust because you live in u alone just because you live in a civilised society hasn't civilised society that hasn't gone war on its doorstep, gone to war on its doorstep, however concerns at however long it concerns me at the our armed forces, the state of our armed forces, something be done to something needs to be done to improve numbers of people improve the numbers of people and that you have, and the quality that you have, because countries are because other countries are beginning to wake up to this. japan a very good example japan being a very good example of this. you know, even with its pacifist constitution, it now has of 300,000 has a standing army of 300,000 people. immune to people. we are not immune to this, we do need find this, and we do need to find ways getting soldiers up ways of getting our soldiers up to numbers, up to scratch, because to we because i want to go to the we want to get.

>> is we desperately >> my view is we desperately need encourage people need to encourage more people to join we do it? join the navy. how do we do it? in the old days, it was a way of seeing now people can seeing the world. now people can seeing the world. now people can see in other see the world in lots of other ways because we live in a reality literally. also they reality literally. but also they can many more can travel people. many more people can travel people. many more peop able do past. how were able to do in the past. how do attract people to do we attract people to relatively work, bring relatively low paid work, bring back relatively low paid work, bring bac but listen, relatively low paid work, bring bacbut listen, national >> but but listen, national service would be something that everyone do everyone would have to do between age. everyone would have to do betwewould age. everyone would have to do betwewould compulsory. it >> it would be compulsory. it would to build sense >> it would be compulsory. it wcnational to build sense >> it would be compulsory. it wcnational identity. sense of national identity. and i think help bring think it would help to bring people armed forces people into the armed forces who may not have considered it. i think it needs come back, but think it needs to come back, but let's quickly. let's do the last story quickly. civil servants working in schools been that schools have been told that trans demands for trans children's demands for puberty blockers should take precedence over over the children's will. over the children's will. so over the parents will. so a whitehall diversity ambassador who issued this directive also claimed that the belief that sex is binary is not the modern scientific way. really i think it's the facts. actually, those are the facts . actually, those are the facts. but our civil servants being pushed to overstep the mark. benedict spence, do you think it's the space for them to be issuing that kind of information

to parents? >> don't think it the >> i don't think it is the response activists response ability of activists working with the civil service to be saying what parents can and their children and cannot teach their children on major life affecting issues when, especially when in this country, rightly, we actually have ages of consent for various things we recognise things because we recognise people mentally or people are not mentally or physically in a fit state to be making these lifelong decisions. ultimately, wouldn't let ultimately, if you wouldn't let your a tattoo, why is your child get a tattoo, why is it that you would allow them to do think a rather do this? i think it's a rather straightforward thing, most straightforward thing, and most parents, i think, would agree that that that it's a disgrace that that decision out decision might be taken out of their state. their hands by the state. >> yeah, yeah, i'm whenever we talk about trans issues affecting . children, i think we affecting. children, i think we have to put children at the heart of it. >> strip away the cultural laws. this requires grown up. >> they think they're doing so. civil getting bypassing civil servants getting bypassing i and doing on face i think, and doing on the face of it, in this particular instance, me have instance, it seems to me to have been civil servant. >> i may but that's my >> i may be wrong, but that's my instinct. could i just say that when we talk about trans issues and so much in and we haven't done so much in recent months as we had in the past when there was a huge flare

up in it, let's remember that human beings again, as with asylum, beings at the asylum, human beings at the heart of this, i'm not an expert i >> exactly what we're saying. >> exactly what we're saying. >> that's exactly i'm >> that's exactly what i'm thinking. thinking thinking. i'm thinking human beings of so beings at the heart of it. so you to mess you really don't want to mess people this way ? this people up in this way? if this is moment in their is a temporary moment in their lives potentially puberty , if lives or potentially puberty, if it indeed is a temporary moment in someone's life. >> and my again, this is my instinct. but i'm not a health expert. instinct is just to expert. my instinct is just to say that if you're a child , say that if you're a child, there real issues with you there are real issues with you taking irreversible steps. but that's my view and i'm not. i'm not a health expert. >> uh , the onset of people of >> uh, the onset of people of young children declaring themselves trans , alongside the themselves trans, alongside the upfickin themselves trans, alongside the uptick in mental health issues and also self—harming among young girls, all have one starting point, one date in common. it's when these became mainstream and ultimately that's what i tend to think is the issue. >> a lot of this, a lot of are genuinely trans. >> some of them are, some of them are. >> so we have a lot of after

their interests. >> the overwhelming majority detransition >> the overwhelming majority detré don't n transition. >> the overwhelming majority detrédon't n transition. they they don't even transition. they actually to different actually come to a different decision very space decision in a very short space of a of this is of time. a lot of this is memetically spread and it is therefore dangerous therefore again i say dangerous to give in to the idea that this is who they are at such a young and impressionable age. >> exactly. well, i hear, hear with that mean, to with that one. i mean, i want to see that age i was trying to see at that age i was trying to go to the toilet up. go to the toilet standing up. i wanted to be now at wanted to be a boy. now look at me. be a boy. me. i don't want to be a boy. it's boring. i'd rather be a woman. but this is gb news on tv, digital radio. tv, online and on digital radio. still time the still to come, it's time for the great british and i'm great british debate. and i'm asking pro—palestinian asking whether pro—palestinian protesters should pay for their policing. protesters should pay for their polictuned for my monologue. i'm stay tuned for my monologue. i'm discussing that discussing the madness that appears taken over this appears to have taken over this country . stay tuned. but first, country. stay tuned. but first, let's update with your let's get an update with your weather brighter outlook with weather a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hello there! i'm jonathan vautrey here of your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. an increasing chance of seeing some over the of seeing some snow over the next days. for some of us,

next few days. for some of us, we've seen showers we've already seen snow showers into areas of northern scotland we've already seen snow showers intysunday,yf northern scotland we've already seen snow showers intysunday,yf no they1 scotland we've already seen snow showers intysunday,yf no they willytland we've already seen snow showers intysunday,yf no they will persist on sunday, and they will persist throughout this evening and overnight, pushing overnight, increasing pushing into parts of northern ireland as well. that the as well. and that brings the risk icy stretches where risk of some icy stretches where those are falling those showers are falling on frozen surfaces. for all of us, though , it is going be a very though, it is going to be a very cold , widely frosty across cold night, widely frosty across all of the uk, even towns all areas of the uk, even towns and cities dropping as low as minus two minus three degrees. so you certainly may need to scrape the car first thing on monday morning . chances of monday morning. chances of seeing on monday is all seeing snow on monday is all about areas that about those areas that are exposed to the northerly breeze. so scotland , so again, northern scotland, northern ireland a few sleet showers western wales, showers for western wales, south—west perhaps south—west england and perhaps some of some skirting eastern coast of yorkshire down to norfolk as well. inland, is well. further inland, it is going with going to be dry, but with widespread sunshine across the board feeling very cold board still feeling very cold though temperatures around one two degrees at best, but two degrees celsius at best, but feeling subfreezing if you're exposed to very brisk easterly wind along those coasts there on tuesday , our attention turns to tuesday, our attention turns to this feature that's going to start its way into the

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part in a series of strikes on houthi positions in yemen, foreign secretary lord cameron has warned. the uk may intervene again if attacks on ships in the red sea continue . there have red sea continue. there have been reports that a recruitment crisis is preventing the navy sending aircraft carriers to the region , but defence minister region, but defence minister james cartlidge says that's not the case. >> there is no truth whatsoever in the suggestion that we cannot deploy the carrier. i'm pleased to confirm that both our carriers are in portsmouth. they are at readiness and they are available to be deployed if needed. if the operation decision is that that is the appropriate response . appropriate response. >> meanwhile, the government's facing calls for a retrospective vote on strikes against the houthi rebels . labour leader sir houthi rebels. labour leader sir keir starmer says while parliamentary approval should be sought in most armed interventions, there are exceptions. difference between a limited targeted operation and a sustained campaign usually

involving troops on the ground involving troops on the ground in relation to the former. >> i think everybody understands that there are always going to be cases where in the national interest we have to act urgently, but where there's a sustained campaign, then yes, i do think parliament should be informed, should have a debate, should know the basis and should have the opportunity to vote . have the opportunity to vote. >> a rally marking 100 days since the october 7th massacre in israel is being held in central london. thousands of people are in trafalgar square, with many holding posters showing those who are still being held hostage hamas . being held hostage by hamas. others have been seen waving persian flags with a sun and a lion in the centre, representing opposition to the iranian government. those at the rally say it was important for them to attend, so we're here to stand with israel to get the hostages back home as quick as you can and to bring peace to the world. >> i've got three kids that live in israel. >> israel and i stay with israel. >> i wish my role there should

be peace in the region. >> the fight for the return of the hostages has been going on now for 100 days, and they should not be there. >> one more minute. they must. they must come home now to their families. so i'm here to do my little bit to support that and to fight for that . to fight for that. >> fight of migrants are now known to have died trying to cross the english channel overnight . but french officials overnight. but french officials say up to 70 people got into difficult while trying to board a boat in darkness off a beach just north of boulogne. the incident happened near wimereux at around 2 am, triggering a major emergency response. a further two migrant boats arrived in uk waters this morning , with at least 100 morning, with at least 100 people taken to dover . morning, with at least 100 people taken to dover. denmark now has a king, with frederick the 10th taking the throne. he succeeds his mother, queen margrethe who's formally abdicated after 52 years as

monarch. the king, his australian born wife mary , who australian born wife mary, who is now queen, and their children waved to huge crowds from the balcony of christiansborg palace. king charles and queen camilla have sent their best wishes to. snow and ice warnings have been extended across the uk as the country faces an arctic blast. as the country faces an arctic blast . the new warnings cover blast. the new warnings cover the whole of scotland , as well the whole of scotland, as well as parts of wales and england, including newcastle and manchester. up to ten centimetres of snow is expected in the north of scotland today, and be a similar scene in and it'll be a similar scene in northern tomorrow . the northern ireland tomorrow. the freezing are freezing temperatures are forecast to move further south over the course the week , over the course of the week, affecting northern affecting parts of northern england . roads and railways are england. roads and railways are likely be disrupted . and likely to be disrupted. and a volcano is again erupting in southwest iceland . if you're southwest iceland. if you're watching us on television , then watching us on television, then you can see live pictures of that lava which has been seen spewing into the air and is now flowing towards the fishing town of grindavik. setting some

houses on fire. the country's president says no lives are in danger because the area has been evacuated, but infrastructure is at risk. it's the fifth eruption on the peninsula . since 2021. on the peninsula. since 2021. those are your top stories on gb news across the uk, on tv in your car, on digital, radio and on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to . nana. play gb news. now back to. nana. >> thank you tatiana. it's fast approaching six minutes after 4:00. this is gb news on tv onune 4:00. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua a kind of madness has gnpped nana akua a kind of madness has gripped the world where terrorists who raped, maimed and killed any in their wake be you israeli, palestinian , gentile, israeli, palestinian, gentile, muslim or jew , appear to be muslim orjew, appear to be being gloried inside. i'm talking about october 7, 2023, a day that will be forever etched in my mind as an horrific attack on civilisation in which most

cannot imagine , even in their cannot imagine, even in their wildest and most brutal night. mayors, make no mistake, the hamas terrorists who did this were there to kill jews and celebrate their bloodbath. now this is abundantly clear and it's clear in their own covenant . yet within days of this savage massacre and before any retaliation from israel , there retaliation from israel, there appeared to be what can only be described as a well of support, glorifying these attacks and from certain fractions , no from certain fractions, no condemnation of hamas whatsoever. in fact , there was whatsoever. in fact, there was almost as a as a sort of they deserve it vibe from some corners which i find unfathomable . the bbc couldn't unfathomable. the bbc couldn't even call hamas out as terrorists . israel obviously terrorists. israel obviously retaliated , and they did what retaliated, and they did what any country around the world would do to express their outrage at the barbarism. october 7 marked the end of a ceasefire, which had been dogged by gaza and missile attacks on israel , who protected themselves

israel, who protected themselves not with returned fire but with an iron dome, a system which shoots down and eviscerates missiles in the air before they hit the ground . and look, i'm hit the ground. and look, i'm not in support of mass killing on any level , not in support of mass killing on any level, but this was the start of war and the beginning of more death . and today marks of more death. and today marks 100 days since it began . but 100 days since it began. but what the hell is going on? since that day , we've had weekly that day, we've had weekly pro—palestinian protests with anti—semitic chanting ex—home secretary suella braverman described them as hate marches, people chanting from the river to the sea. the carrying of racist banners from people who appeared to be perfectly respectable, like this teacher holding one which depicts rishi sunak and suella braverman as coconuts . jewish people, afraid coconuts. jewish people, afraid to leave their homes and of course, the british taxpayer picking up the tab to police all of these marches . now, it may of these marches. now, it may not say why now? i'm not i'm not saying that many of the protesters are not calling for

peace and demanding a ceasefire, but their cries for this were drowned out by the anti—semitic chanting across the world. we've had prominent university heads refusing to acknowledge anti—semitism . anti—semitism. >> doctor kornbluth does at mit does, calling for the genocide of jews violate mit's code of conduct or rules regarding bullying and harassment? yes or no . [10. >> no. >> if targeted at individuals, not making public statements ? not making public statements? >> yes or no . calling for the >> yes or no. calling for the genocide of jews does not constitute bullying and harassment . i constitute bullying and harassment. i have constitute bullying and harassment . i have not heard harassment. i have not heard calling for the genocide for jews on our campus, but you've heard chants for intifada . i've heard chants for intifada. i've heard chants for intifada. i've heard chants for intifada. i've heard chants which can be anti—semitic , depending on the anti—semitic, depending on the context. when calling for the elimination of the jewish people . so those would not be according to the mit code of conduct or rules that would be investigated of as harassment. if pervasive and severe . miss

if pervasive and severe. miss mcgill at penn does calling for the genocide of jews violate penn's rules or code of conduct? yes or no ? yes or no? >> if the speech turns into conduct, it can be harassment. >> yes, i am asking specific hinckley calling for the genocide of jews . does that genocide of jews. does that constitute bullying or harassment ? harassment? >> if it is directed and severe or pervasive, it is harassment. >> so the answer is yes. >> so the answer is yes. >> it is a context dependent decision. congresswoman >> it's a context dependent decision . that's your testimony decision. that's your testimony today calling for the genocide of jews is depending upon the context. that is not bullying or harassment. this is the easiest question to answer . yes, miss question to answer. yes, miss mcgill , people have tied mcgill, people have tied themselves in knots trying to justify why all of this, even the unlikely partner of south africa, who lost two of their own during the massacre , got involved. >> its leaders meeting with hamas militants before accusing

israel of genocide and yesterday, jeremy corbyn addressed an anti—israel demo in london, where activists were backing houthi terrorist who this week attacked shipping lanesin this week attacked shipping lanes in the red sea. protesters were chanting yemen, yemen, make us proud! turn another ship around. i literally cannot believe what i am hearing and seeing the us and uk are protecting shipping, which has nothing to do with the israel—hamas conflict . yet israel—hamas conflict. yet people are now chanting in the streets in the uk in support of the houthis and of course, in the houthis and of course, in the meantime, the bombs continue to be fired from both camps, from israel and gaza and more people are dying. the whole thing is a mess in my view. this is a lose lose mass death, mass anger and never ending revenge . anger and never ending revenge. so before we get stuck into the debates, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking should pro—palestine

asking, should pro—palestine protesters pay for the policing of protests ? yes, yes, of their protests? yes, yes, we'll get all the views on this . we'll get all the views on this. after over 17 million has so far been spent on policing the protests since they began after the hamas terror attack in october last year. then, at 450 as well for you, we'll cross live to los angeles to speak to paul duddridge, host of the politics people podcast, to get the the race to the the latest on the race to be the republican candidate in november's election november's presidential election . and, of course, how the us population are feeling about their involvement in the airstrikes on houthi rebels in yemen . then stay tuned five. yemen. then stay tuned at five. it mystery guest. this it is my mystery guest. this week's . now here's week's outside. now here's a clue. he's a businessman and a philanthropist, and he's currently a chairman. a mobile home of a mobile home park company. did you think he is gb views gb news. com tweet me @gbnews. that's all coming up .

@gbnews. that's all coming up. right. let's get started. let's welcome to my panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly and also broadcaster and author christine hamilton . so i'm going christine hamilton. so i'm going to start with you, christine , to start with you, christine, because i just i'm blinded by because ijust i'm blinded by that top. well you you can talk. >> it's the combination that's a bit much. >> sorry everybody. >> sorry everybody. >> it's like like a belisha beacon. >> it is, it is. i am so sorry. i wonder whether we make up a trickle of some international flag because you're bright yellow for those listening on radio. yes, i am now there is an emerald green and i am a sort of dark navy blue. >> we are a tricolour. >> we are a tricolour. >> somebody look it quickly. >> we are a tricolour. >> brightyody look it quickly. >> we are a tricolour. >> bright green,)k it quickly. >> we are a tricolour. >> bright green, bright quickly. >> we are a tricolour. >> bright green, bright yellow.y. >> bright green, bright yellow and navy blue. >> that flag? >> is that a flag? >> is that a flag? >> hope it's not palestine. >> no, it's not. there's no red. danny, perhaps you should sit in the middle. >> between two thorns. the middle. >> no, between two thorns. the middle. >> no, no, between two thorns. the middle. >> no, no, we atween two thorns. the middle. >> no, no, we won'tl two thorns. the middle. >> no, no, we won't allow:horns. >> no, no, we won't allow it. >> won't. no, i know >> i know she won't. no, i know no, needs to have a little no, she needs to have a little bit of distance. need to keep bit of distance. i need to keep the you two. the peace between you two. >> allow it, honestly. >> i won't allow it, honestly. look he did it. look at him the way he did it. as sad you are as if he's sad as well. you are glad boss. glad you are the boss. >> know don't we, danny? >> you do. i am. i am

>> you do. i am. yes, i am right, christina. starting with you. >> um, it is appalling what is going on on our streets. >> it is a grotesque insult to all sort of law abiding, decent british people , frankly. and british people, frankly. and yes, of course, people should have the right to protest. but this lot and okay, they're different people, but this lot we all know what i mean by that. they're doing it every single week. could do it. maybe week. they could do it. maybe once a month every two once a month or once every two months point . and months to make their point. and there is conflict of rights there is a conflict of rights here. there's the right to protest. then there is the protest. and then there is the right of normal, law abiding brits about their capital brits to go about their capital city unmolested and unimpeded. >> but we'll talk about the protests later on. so i thought, that's what we were talking about. no, no, because what are we talking about? >> i thought talking about we talking about? >> right.ght talking about we talking about? >> right. no, talking about we talking about? >> right. no, wasn'tking about listening. >> oh, christine, thought we >> oh, christine, i thought we were talking right. were talking about the right. >> listening, thought >> i was listening, i thought i was whether they was listening, whether they should protests. no, should pay for the protests. no, that's. on. that's. no, that's later on. oh, i'm sorry. i'm so sorry. >> w- w— >> danny. danny i'm losing you, miss akua. >> the story e the story , miss akua. >> the story , okay? >> i'm across the story, okay? >> i'm across the story, okay? >> basically just shows how hard wired people are, know,

wired people are, you know, differently how they feel so differently how they feel so differently things. differently about things. >> i must i wasn't really >> i must admit, i wasn't really across the houthi rebels across what the houthi rebels were until the last were all about until the last couple know couple of weeks. and now i know a about and i've been a lot about it, and i've been following news and you've had following gb news and you've had a it. and one a lot of experts on it. and one thing that thing i've learned is that the houthi don't damn houthi rebels don't give a damn about they about palestine. they are opportunistic terrorists and all they're trying to do. they hate israel. they're israel. i get that they're proxies don't care proxies of iran. they don't care about palestinians. where about the palestinians. where have been the 15, have they been for the last 15, 20 years? haven't voiced have they been for the last 15, 20 yconcerns. haven't voiced have they been for the last 15, 20 yconcerns. hav haven't:ed any concerns. they haven't attacked any western interests to we're with palestine and to say we're with palestine and israel are genocidal thugs. none of this nonsense. and now all of a opportunistic , they're a sudden, opportunistic, they're firing rockets because they want to they want to sort of draw in saudi sure saudi or i'm not sure geopolitically, but but don't you find it a bit odd, though, that we now have at these protests you've now got they were going for palestine. >> now they're supporting the houthis. and these are these are violent. these group, these rebels are violent rebels who who are pirates ? who are pirates? >> they're all puppeteered by iran. may i just say as a

straight line across said, should organisations be paying for the policing of their events? that's what i thought we were talking about. >> well, you should have been listening monologue listening to the monologue and ignore the strap because that's for later. but thanks for pointing hear pointing it out. did you hear that? them that the that? just telling them that the whole is being whole thing is being puppeteered, whether it's , you puppeteered, whether it's, you know, houthis or what's know, hamas or houthis or what's the third lot? >> um , they're all being >> um, they're all being puppeteered by by iran. um but but it's just it's the it's the middle east and the middle ages versus modern civilisation as far as i can see. and that's what they want to do. they want to close down these shipping lanes. it has nothing apart from the that 15% of world the fact that 15% of world trade goes through the shipping lanes. um, and it takes them up to a fortnight to go round. it has nothing to do with us. they should not be demonstrating on our streets. should not be demonstrating on ourtheyts. should not be demonstrating on our they ts. should not. >> they just should not. >> they just should not. >> certainly we shouldn't be >> and certainly we shouldn't be paying >> and certainly we shouldn't be payyeah, but we will come to the >> yeah, but we will come to the whole finance thing. sorry, but the let's take it back the brookside let's take it back because it's like you even interrupted to tell us same interrupted to tell us the same thing again. i know she wouldn't

let it go. you should have just let it go. you should have just let on. and could let him carry on. and you could have even given you an idea of what about. what we're talking about. >> wouldn't it go. what we're talking about. >> so uldn't it go. what we're talking about. >> so uldnsee, it go. what we're talking about. >> so uldn see, this 0. what we're talking about. >> so uldnsee, this is. >> so you see, this is. >> right. shut >> all right. i'll shut up. >> all right. i'll shut up. >> is why christine in >> this is why christine gets in trouble. doing trouble. because when i'm doing my soon as my monologues, as soon as i start monologue, she start doing a monologue, she starts and this time you starts going. and this time you were. highlighting starts going. and this time you were. were ighlighting starts going. and this time you were. were doing1ting starts going. and this time you were. were doing something starts going. and this time you were. highlighter,)ing something starts going. and this time you were. highlighter, whichymething on the highlighter, which distracted the middle. distracted me in the middle. again that again but no, the point that i was in monologue is was making in the monologue is that seem to be quite that people seem to be quite fickle days because first fickle these days because first you pro—palestine you have the pro—palestine protest. now suddenly you've got people who now the people who are now joining the pro—palestine protest who are in the process now supporting houthis, rebels. >> excuse , any excuse to >> any excuse, any excuse to foment trouble on our streets. >> that's what it's all about . >> that's what it's all about. they don't care who they're protesting favour of. protesting in favour of. >> observation that >> well, my observation is that they're so anti—israel. anything that is, seen as anything that is, is seen as anything against israel. >> there are anti—israel . well, >> there are anti—israel. well, they're as well. they're anti—west as well. >> , i've seen no evidence >> well, i've seen no evidence of what i have seen is of that. what i have seen is plenty evidence of anti plenty of evidence of anti israel and also anti—semitism . israel and also anti—semitism. okay. and anyone attacks okay. and anyone who attacks anything to do with the gaza strip, anything anti—israel,

they're on the side of i bet you're half of this mob don't even anything the even know anything about the houthis. don't. houthis. of course they don't. but learned this nursery but they've learned this nursery rhyme about turning ships around all sudden just. all of a sudden that's just. >> many of them >> and i wonder how many of them are illegal immigrants. >> i have no idea, >> well, i mean, i have no idea, but the bottom is, there but the bottom line is, there just be right? just seems to be this. right? we'll that bandwagon we'll join onto that bandwagon now because anti—israel. now because it's anti—israel. well, onto that bandwagon well, join onto that bandwagon because anti—israel will because the anti—israel will join. it's like, well, the join. and it's like, well, the bandwagon just bandwagon that you've just jumped discredits jumped on to discredits your entire because these entire argument because these people are pirates who are attacking ships that have nothing do with no . nothing to do with israel, no. >> it goes back >> but hamas, it's it goes back to, as say , the middle east, to, as i say, the middle east, which represents to me the middle ages attacking the west. >> it is israel and the jews as well, of course, but it is also the entire western civilisation . the entire western civilisation. they want to disrupt the whole thing . thing. >> there are plenty of sophisticated 21st century middle eastern countries, though there are some, but there are some countries that are who, if it's a secular society, then you've got more chance of it being something like a middle age sort of environment. if it's

not secular society like not a secular society like countries like dubai to countries like dubai managed to manage to balance secularism with capitalism. >> okay, i'm lumping the entire middle east together, which was wrong . okay. the countries that wrong. okay. the countries that we're about . yeah. we're talking about. yeah. >> okay. >> okay. >> there are some that are some medieval gaffs out there . medieval gaffs out there. >> to stop you >> i'm just going to stop you both. of these both. neither of these two listen a said right. listen to a word i said right. it's just coming up to 19 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua now listen. coming up worldview, i'll be crossing live to los angeles to speak to paul duddridge, of the politics duddridge, host of the politics people podcast. next, people podcast. but up next, it's for the great british it's time for the great british debate this hour. and asking it's time for the great british dshould his hour. and asking it's time for the great british dshould pro—palestine asking , should pro—palestine protesters pay for their policing? so give me your thoughts. you know, we know what she thinks. gb views gb news. com me at gb news. com or tweet me at gb news. don't forget you can get in touch. let us know your thoughts on

with me, michael portillo, gb news. britain's news channel . news. britain's news channel. >> if you just tuned in welcome aboard. it'sjust >> if you just tuned in welcome aboard. it's just fast approaching . 23 minutes after approaching. 23 minutes after 4:00 i'm nana akua this is gb news. don't forget as well you can download the gb news app. you can check out all the programmes here on the channel. but let's have quick look at but let's have a quick look at what been saying. did what you've been saying. i did a monologue just before the break, mark says. i find it so offensive that anyone this offensive that anyone from this land hamas . the land is supporting hamas. the marches are full of the usual suspects. heather says if things are bad now with the huge amount

of pro—palestinian people here and thousands more coming on small boats who don't like our western way of life, what's it going to be like in ten years time? well, that's assuming that those coming here don't like our way life , but some of them way of life, but some of them come here specifically for it. bnan come here specifically for it. brian nana your monologue brian says. nana your monologue is so good today. as always, you are often on button. are so often so on the button. you say it as it is, but in a polite and pleasant way. thank you brian, i had to read that. obviously anybody wants to try anything like that. don't worry, i'll out. i'll definitely read that out. right. for the right. it's time now for the great british debate this hour, and i'm asking, should pro—palestine pay for pro—palestine protesters pay for their now? their policing now? pro—palestine march organisers could be charged to help cover the costs of policing , under the costs of policing, under proposals being looked at by the home office, metropolitan police have spent £17 million control of the demonstrations following the hamas terror attack in october. so the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, should pro—palestine protesters pay should pro—palestine protesters pay for their policing? a lot of p's in that a lot of you won't

be able to do that home. you should give it a go. but let's be able to do that home. you shoujoining it a go. but let's be able to do that home. you shoujoining me go. but let's be able to do that home. you shoujoining me to». but let's be able to do that home. you shoujoining me to discuss t's be able to do that home. you shoujoining me to discuss that, see. joining me to discuss that, i've matthew uh, i've got matthew stadlen, uh, stephen pound and benedict stephen pound and also benedict spence. stephen pound and also benedict spence . uh, right. stephen pound and also benedict spence. uh, right. i'm going to start with you, stephen pound . start with you, stephen pound. >> yeah. good afternoon. >> yeah. good afternoon. >> anna, look , most people would >> yeah. good afternoon. >> inna, look , most people would >> yeah. good afternoon. >> in the .ook , most people would >> yeah. good afternoon. >> in the in k , most people would >> yeah. good afternoon. >> in the in theirost people would >> yeah. good afternoon. >> in the in their hearteople would >> yeah. good afternoon. >> in the in their heart they'd ould say in the in their heart they'd like they want to make the people but in their heads people pay, but in their heads they how damn difficult they think, how damn difficult it let you an answer. >> every single football team in this has pay for this country has to pay for policing at their at their matches. you know, my club does it, does it. and it, every club does it. and every single demonstration in london has to get the approval of the mayor of london the of the mayor of london or the metropolitan so we know metropolitan police. so we know who are . now, what who the people are. now, what people have said in the past is nobody knows, you know, is it a socialist workers or various, you ghastly trotskyite you know, ghastly trotskyite little factions who are doing these marches? therefore they cannot be held accountable these marches? therefore they cannot bthey.d accountable these marches? therefore they cannot bthey do |ccountable these marches? therefore they cannot bthey do notjntable these marches? therefore they cannot bthey do not have le these marches? therefore they cannot bthey do not have a bank because they do not have a bank account down. the co—op, however , have have permission , if you have to have permission to march, have to to have a march, you have to have name , you have to have an have a name, you have to have an organisation, you have to have a structure, have have structure, you have to have actually that actually an organisation that

you details of. you can give the details of. therefore absolutely . yeah. therefore absolutely. yeah. criminals away with criminals are getting away with murder in our city because we do criminals are getting away with mu|have1 our city because we do criminals are getting away with mu|have1 our cit'policere we do criminals are getting away with mu|have1 our cit'police officers.o not have enough police officers. every police officer on a demonstration one less police demonstration is one less police officer on the streets. it's not good enough. make them pay. >> well, of course i'm focusing on palestine. but course, on palestine. but of course, i think we're talking marches in general. and think perhaps general. and i think perhaps people should have a number that they before they have they can do before they have to pay- they can do before they have to pay- my they can do before they have to pay. my initial pay. matthew stadlen, my initial thoughts on this, my instinct is that this is just the price of democracy. >> we live in a democracy . we >> we live in a democracy. we have a right to protest. yes, you have to get permission. but the idea of having to pay for your own policing feels to me like a slippery slope . and what like a slippery slope. and what if the police say yes to some and no to others ? however, we do and no to others? however, we do have a problem here. we have to accept that we can't have well , accept that we can't have well, we don't want at least london to gnnd we don't want at least london to grind to a standstill . certain grind to a standstill. certain streets in london anyway. i mean, i live in london. i haven't come to in into contact with any of these protests , but

with any of these protests, but we don't want the centre of london grind a standstill london to grind to a standstill once infinitum, for once a week, ad infinitum, for a particular cause, because that starts to me to look like it's disproportionate . disproportionate. >> i bet it expense. >> i bet it expense. >> i bet it expense. >> i think it's reached the stage where, yes, absolutely. they should be paying for it. it's scale. it's it's a question of scale. it's also a question of criminality that there is there is a lot of anti semitism these marches , anti semitism at these marches, andifs anti semitism at these marches, and it's not simply therefore a question of people, not being about not able to about to go, not being able to go daily lives an go about their daily lives an entire community in united entire community in the united kingdom made to feel unsafe kingdom is made to feel unsafe by behaviour of some of the by the behaviour of some of the people on these marches. now, i would more than happy to would be more than happy to accept just happened once accept if it just happened once or twice isolation, or twice in isolation, but actually every single time there is marches, you see is one of these marches, you see the see the the signs, you see the provocation. acceptable provocation. it's not acceptable . and ultimately why we . and that ultimately is why we need relatively larger police need a relatively larger police presence, because we know every time there is going one of time there is going to be one of these are going time there is going to be one of th

point saying, point where we should be saying, yes, to be going to yes, if you want to be going to london of london and that many of your number to be behaving number are going to be behaving in quite disgraceful number are going to be behaving in yes quite disgraceful number are going to be behaving in yes youluite disgraceful number are going to be behaving in yes you shouldsgraceful number are going to be behaving in yes you should be icerl number are going to be behaving in yes you should be footing way. yes you should be footing the this, would the bill for this, but would that every march in your view? >> benedict. >> benedict. >> well, i don't think every march descends into anti—semitism, sort of the anti—semitism, sort of at the drop hat. know, if this anti—semitism, sort of at the dropa hat. know, if this anti—semitism, sort of at the dropa right know, if this anti—semitism, sort of at the dropa right march ow, if this anti—semitism, sort of at the dropa right march andf this anti—semitism, sort of at the dropa right march and we is was a far right march and we were seeing amounts were seeing equal amounts of anti—semitism islamophobia, anti—semitism or islamophobia, i'd same thing. i'd be saying the same thing. actually, to go out actually, if you want to go out and want that sort of and you want to do that sort of thing you want run thing and you want to run the gamut needing much gamut of needing that much police involvement in your march, yes. should march, possibly, yes. you should be as but if be doing it as well. but if it's, fox hunting it's, i don't know, fox hunting or like that, or something like that, and everybody's peaceful. no, absolutely two different >> there are two different things though here. the things though here. one is the fact marches fact that these marches are happening again, and happening again and again, and i'll captive of people happening again and again, and i'll about ive of people happening again and again, and i'll about their: people going about their normal business. they're business. right. and they're also costly for the police. that's argument. then that's one argument. then there's argument of there's the separate argument of criminality. now whoever's funding the police presence there, when there is criminality that needs to be dealt with. and ihave that needs to be dealt with. and i have been consistent through all these marches saying that people should have the right to protest. believe that at protest. i also believe that at least i suspect, that the vast

majority of the people this majority of the people on this march marching because they march are marching because they are concerned the scenes are concerned about the scenes coming however we coming out of gaza. however we know and we see and of course, this is going to be highlighted on that there are on social media that there are some bad apples on these some very bad apples on these marches . and i saw some things marches. and i saw some things said yesterday that i found utterly chilling. there was one speaker who talked about, we have to be d zionist . now, of have to be d zionist. now, of course, not every jew is a zionist, but it is true too, that in this context, when people talk about zionists and being d zionist, people talk about zionists and being d zionist , that comes being d zionist, that comes very, very close to the line of anti—semitism . and as someone anti—semitism. and as someone with jewish heritage, myself, that makes me feel extremely uncomfortable. >> well, stephen but not uncomfortable. >.football5tephen but not uncomfortable. >.football grounds but not uncomfortable. >.football grounds bpayot a football grounds have to pay for if football teams have to pay >> if football teams have to pay for policing, so special for policing, what is so special about demonstrations and about these demonstrations and these far as i'm these marches? as far as i'm concerned should be a level concerned, it should be a level playing back to playing field and i get back to my every single my original point every single police is involved police officer who is involved in is less police in this is one less police officer on the street keeping you, me , our friends, our family

you, me, our friends, our family and children safe. as far as and our children safe. as far as i'm concerned, it's disproportionate and people disproportionate. and if people want week , fine. want to march every week, fine. but to their but they've got to put their hands pocket. they've hands in their pocket. they've got is a cost got to realise there is a cost to . there not a risk, to this is. there not a risk, though, that if people have to pay though, that if people have to pay for it, they'll do these things unlawfully and just do them anyway, you'll them anyway, and then you'll be forced anyway? forced to police it anyway? >> yeah, absolutely. right. but you know that that that is the reality life. they're reality of life. if, if they're going go and do it going to go ahead and do it without any permission, exactly the thing. if to the same thing. if you want to have demonstration have a demonstration tomorrow in face the nana face to face, you know, the nana akua know, fair play akua party, you know, fair play to but you know, if you to you. but you know, if you didn't have permission from the mayor then mayor and from the met, then you would illegal would be committing an illegal act, a public act, you know, in a public space. you know, in all space. so, you know, in all honesty, that's the law honesty, that's the way the law works . works. >> and if people say, but, but but, stephen, they've already shown the police can't shown that the police can't police marches so police these marches anyway. so if think they just did it if you think if they just did it anyway the would anyway, then the police would have and do the have to show up and do the little they are little policing that they are doing because it's doing now because it's ineffective. ineffective ineffective. they're ineffective at these things, is my point. >> that would that would be a one off if you had a completely

unauthored march. that the unauthored march. that and the police have one the following unauthored march. that and the policeor ave one the following unauthored march. that and the policeor the one the following unauthored march. that and the policeor the week1e following unauthored march. that and the policeor the week after?)wing unauthored march. that and the policeor the week after? ofng week or the week after? of course wouldn't, because course they wouldn't, because the lifting the police would be lifting these all these people. and in all honesty, when they come to court, shouldn't court, they shouldn't just be having victim having a victim impact statement. should actually having a victim impact stafined. t. should actually having a victim impact stafined. and should actually having a victim impact stafined. and don'tyuld actually having a victim impact stafined. and don't forget,:ually having a victim impact stafined. and don't forget, when be fined. and don't forget, when you now, you can you go to court now, you can actually fined the amount of actually be fined the amount of trouble and problems that you've caused. so there should be an additional payment to these people when they get caught , people when they get caught, when if it's an when they get lifted, if it's an illegal march, if it's an unauthorised march , they should unauthorised march, they should have to actually pay. just as i worry about, because the police have to actually pay. just as i w(ay about, because the police have to actually pay. just as i w(ay abou service.se the police is a public service. >> i do that this may >> and i do worry that this may be some sort of towards be some sort of step towards privatising the police. you don't the police to hang don't want the police to hang on. let finish. don't on. let me finish. you don't want to feel want the police somehow to feel particularly to the particularly beholden to the marchers. something marchers. there's something a little that little bit sinister about that much better to consider whether they should be able to march week in, week out, and whether they permission , they should get that permission, but week in, out. but week in, week out. >> that's freedom of >> but that's the freedom of speech if you're speech issue. now, if you're saying allowed speech issue. now, if you're say i 1g allowed speech issue. now, if you're say i 1g it's allowed speech issue. now, if you're saylig it's not allowed speech issue. now, if you're saylig it's not an allowed speech issue. now, if you're saylig it's not an easyywed to, i agree it's not an easy one. spence mean one. benedict spence i mean freedom, issue freedom, freedom of speech issue or not. >> actually, i or not. >> actually, n >> actually, as i say, even

within a very tolerant liberal democracy, that democracy, there are lines that you and you do not cross. and anti—semitism, the anti—semitism, i think is the main actually , that if you main one, actually, that if you feel that you cannot go about your daily without your daily life without overstepping your mark, maybe we have whether have to question whether or not you are a helpful or useful member but member of the society, but actually, if you're going to decide, oh, we're just decide, oh, well, we're just going anyway, going to have our march anyway, i that of justifies i think that kind of justifies the we need be the idea that we need to be forcing pay for forcing you to, to to, pay for the because clearly the policing, because clearly you break the you then intend to break the law, to up law, which is going to take up police and police resources anyway. and i think as you'll end think that then, as you'll end up being fined one or up being fined one way or another, probably a larger amount be if you amount than you would be if you were being asked to pay an were being asked to pay on an individual this march. >> you pay, then >> if you pay, then that's completely if you pay for completely fine. if you pay for these people yourself, then you're police you're still taking police away from criminals, from dealing with criminals, right? least from dealing with criminals, right?making least from dealing with criminals, right?making it least from dealing with criminals, right?making it a least from dealing with criminals, right?making it a little least from dealing with criminals, right?making it a little bit ast we're making it a little bit more we're making it a little bit mo who illegal marches we're making it a little bit mo wh no, no, just quick, quick point. 10s10s i was at the football earlier and i talked to a police and said, how football earlier and i talked to a poli football and said, how football earlier and i talked to a poli football fans, said, how football earlier and i talked to a poli football fans, these, how football earlier and i talked to a poli football fans, these days come football fans, these days can mix so freely? >> said, because have >> he said, because we have

spotters and they can banned spotters and they can be banned very, and they don't very, very easily and they don't think it's worth it. so we need to that of involvement to have that sort of involvement in these marches if we don't already. >> it's a bit difficult to ban people from the streets. stephen pound, thank you very. >> court, you can pound, thank you very. >> you court, you can pound, thank you very. >>you can court, you can pound, thank you very. >>you can actually court, you can pound, thank you very. >>you can actually berrt, you can pound, thank you very. >> you can actually be sentenced] be you can actually be sentenced with costs and i think cost with costs and i think the cost could be appended to anyone who is these is actually arrested under these circumstances. is actually arrested under these circumsta well not is actually arrested under these circumstawell not arguing is actually arrested under these circu thatwell not arguing is actually arrested under these circu that. we. not arguing is actually arrested under these circu that. we if not arguing is actually arrested under these circu that. we if listen, arguing is actually arrested under these circu that. we if listen, ifguing is actually arrested under these circu that. we if listen, if youg with that. we if listen, if you disagree and you're listening at home, let us know. thank you very stephen pound very much stephen pound former labour political labour mp ben spence, political commentator. labour mp ben spence, political commerpolitical commentator . stadler, political commentator. what's you at home? get what's over to you at home? get in vaiews@gbnews.com. in touch. vaiews@gbnews.com. do you perhaps you think that perhaps pro—palestinian you think that perhaps pro-marchers an you think that perhaps pro-marchers ,n you think that perhaps pro-marchers , the organisers, the marchers, the organisers, should pay for these marches? i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we'll be discussing it in the great british debate that's on the next uh, you'll hear the way. next uh, you'll hear the way. next uh, you'll hear the thoughts of my panel. christine hamilton and danny kelly. come kelly. well, still to come outside my guest, a outside now, my guest, he's a businessman and a philanthropist, he's philanthropist, and he's currently a chairman of a mobile home park company. another clue. well, here we go . he's a roman well, here we go. he's a roman catholic traveller . i said that catholic traveller. i said that right . romanichal. i think

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control the demonstrations following the hamas terror attack in october. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking should pro—palestine protest organisers pay for the policing of these marches? well, let's see what my panel maker that by, broadcaster that i'm joined by, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, broadcaster author christine broadcaster and author christine hamilton, . i'm going to hamilton, right. i'm going to start with you, christine , start with you, christine, because you've lot on it . because you've got a lot on it. >> well , i know that there's >> well, i know that there's lies. damn lies and statistics, but apparently eur 17 million is now actually gone up to 20 million. yeah. and 28,000 shifts of the metropolitan police have been absorbed by these demonstrations and 1600 shifts of other police forces. that means people taken away from looking after the needs , the looking after the needs, the criminal needs, as it were, of the rest of us, um, 5500 rest days have been cancelled. i mean, it is a grotesque intrusion onto the limited police time and it's not so much as whether they should be made to pay. and one of your panel just now made the point that you have to permission. so have to get permission. so somebody has name, they

somebody has got a name, they know they are. they know who they are. they shouldn't be taking place. is shouldn't be taking place. it is absolutely. insult absolutely. it is an insult to the rest of us that these marches are place every marches are taking place every single saturday virtually. >> but what about the freedom of speech the well, yes. speech, the fact. well, yes. well, argue against. >> of course they would. but it's a, it's a conflict of rights, isn't it. it's the rights, isn't it. it's the rights of to protest. and rights, isn't it. it's the rigithef to protest. and rights, isn't it. it's the rigithe f of to protest. and rights, isn't it. it's the rigithe f of the rotest. and rights, isn't it. it's the rigithef of the rest ;t. and rights, isn't it. it's the rigithef of the rest of and it's the rights of the rest of us about the streets of us to walk about the streets of london uninhibited , unimpeded london uninhibited, unimpeded and . and i would like and unafraid. and i would like to contrast the rabble . frankly, to contrast the rabble. frankly, because that's what they are. they're a rabble . and people they're a rabble. and people flood in and flood out whatever the is, they think, oh, the cause is, they think, oh, let's all that. of let's go and join all that. of course, some genuine course, there are some genuine people there, but a hell of a lot of them just sort of lot of them are just sort of rent a mob against the peaceful protest like, think protest of people like, i think his richard. his name was richard. richard. um, um nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe nato nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe . nato nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe. do you remember who was imprisoned for all those years? and he had a dignified and solemn protest going on hunger strike. that's the sort of thing that we should be allowing, not these. they are protesting about things are going in

things that are going on in a foreign land . and yes, they're foreign land. and yes, they're anti—jewish. we've got jewish anti—jewish. so we've got jewish communities, all them. >> some , some, some of them. >> some, some, some of them. >> some, some, some of them. >> no, no, but but that's hell >> some, some, some of them. >>alo, no, but but that's hell >> some, some, some of them. >>a lot no, but but that's hell >> some, some, some of them. >>a lot of but but that's hell >> some, some, some of them. >>a lot of them.ut that's hell >> some, some, some of them. >>a lot disruptorst that's hell >> some, some, some of them. >>a lot disruptorst but's hell >> some, some, some of them. >>a lot disruptorst but but hell >> some, some, some of them. >>a lot disruptorst but but not >> the disruptors. but but not all them. >> the disruptors. but but not all the1em. who are causing the >> the ones who are causing the police police. police to have to police. >> yes, but those who are being arrested, may be doing arrested, yes, they may be doing bad they've been >> that's why they've been arrested. of people go >> that's why they've been arrthese of people go >> that's why they've been arrthese marches of people go >> that's why they've been arrthese marches and)eople go >> that's why they've been arrthese marches and supposedly on these marches and supposedly it's peace. although it's all about peace. although i have say that some those have to say that some of those peaceful protesters seem to be drowned out by from the river to the which to many of the sea chants, which to many of them not go with but them do not go with peaceful but you some you don't know that, and some people well that. people may well do that. okay. >> of them do, of >> well, some of them do, of course, but why should we allow why should london ers have to put up with their city being disrupted week after week after week people? why week by these people? why >> stephen pound was right and he raised a point. i wanted to that football clubs all around the for police the country pay for police because fan. because i'm an everton fan. merseyside everton were playing aston today right . aston villa today right. >> it's not. they lost. >>— >> it's not. they lost. >> no it's nil nil. oh no nil win, he said joy. win, he said with such joy. mind you normal for you you it would be normal for you to say they lost. you'd be on

safe was safe ground but it was absolutely nil. >> nil they lost. >> nil, nil they lost. >> nil, nil they lost. >> know about >> well, i know nothing about football >> well, i know nothing about foo everton football club. >> everton football club. >> everton football club. >> probably there would be 200 police at the game police officers at the game today. keeping everyone safe. everton paid everton football club paid for that. some everton football club paid for that. and some everton football club paid for that. and stephen some everton football club paid for that. and stephen pan some everton football club paid for that. and stephen pan was me everton football club paid for that. and stephen pan was right. point and stephen pan was right. the panel raised some really interesting points. who is organising all of this? because there factions , there are there are factions, there are people down from people being bused down from bradford people bused bradford, people being bused down from sheffield, from london. factions and london. there are factions and factions and factions. there's i'm sure what the umbrella i'm not sure what the umbrella group who are you group is. so who are you actually going present a to ? actually going to present a to? bill but is really bill but what is really frustrating is the futility of their . if they honestly their protests. if they honestly think that they can change what's going on between israel and gaza, they are deluded. and gaza, then they are deluded. but i don't think that they think that they can change it. >> why you think they want to? >> ah, well, because they hate israel. israel. israel. they hate israel. >> them, though. >> not all of them, though. again have caveat it again i just have to caveat it with lot of them hate the with and a lot of them hate the west. >> i'm speaking generally, but they >> i'm speaking generally, but the but that's that is a huge >> but but that's that is a huge generalisation to lot of generalisation to make a lot of people there probably people there are probably protesting against the mass

murder happening in gaza murder that's happening in gaza of these young people, mostly children, you know . yeah. but children, you know. yeah. but who was? >> well, let's not with that. >> well, let's not with that. >> i'm just saying that a lot of people will be protesting. let's go along with that. >> who carrying this >> so who is carrying out this quote unquote mass murder stroke? >> w- 5 war government. stroke? >> no, war government. stroke? >> no, but war government. stroke? >> no, but \is' government. stroke? >> no, but \is' goveriso ant. stroke? >> no, but \is' goveriso who >> no, but this is a war. so who started it? yeah, but but then you back in history. you could go back in history. history so war is history this is a war. so war is always mass murder, either side by side . they're not by either side. they're not doing it. um, you know, they're not specifically home doing it. um, you know, they're noon specifically home doing it. um, you know, they're noon individuals:ifically home doing it. um, you know, they're noon individuals or:ally home doing it. um, you know, they're noon individuals or some|ome doing it. um, you know, they're noon individuals or some of1e in on individuals or some of some of targets are some of the targets are specifically individuals. they're be targeted, specifically individuals. the'obviously be targeted, specifically individuals. the'obviously causesgeted, specifically individuals. the'obviously causes a ted, specifically individuals. the'obviously causes a sort but obviously it causes a sort of mass murder, is that's of mass murder, which is that's what war is at the end of the day, isn't it? >> may get back to my futility >> may i get back to my futility point, >> may i get back to my futility poirgoing change not going to change any geopolitical anything geopolitical will anything geopolitically, person geopolitically, the only person that can sway anything to do with president that can sway anything to do witiunited president that can sway anything to do witiunited states. )resident that can sway anything to do witiunited states. you dent that can sway anything to do witiunited states. you can have the united states. you can have 80,000 people marching down this road in london every saturday. it's not going affect it's not going to affect anything. no quite right. and that's the futility of it. right there. the stop the war coalition before we invaded iraq, were 1 or who say

iraq, there were 1 or 2 who say that going to affect that it's not going to affect anything, and that might be physically, but psychologically, i an effect i think it does have an effect because me, i'm because all for me, i'm absolutely absolutely absolutely i'm absolutely astounded by the sort of mass , astounded by the sort of mass, mass support globally for palestine in the way it has been and the almost accepting of anti—semitism, which i, i find astonishing. >> you know, i'm and that psychologically is, is a weapon in a way. and they are using these sort of psychological, logical behaviours to try and change the narrative or try and infect a different narrative. well look, if the reason that they're doing it is, is to try and insidiously infect that anti—semitism , i don't know what anti—semitism, i don't know what i'm not sure. >> i'm not sure what i do there. >> i'm not sure what i do there. >> you but i do feel there's a geopolitical aspect to it. you know, it's quite intimidating and overwhelming to see the mass anti—semitism across the world. and i think that psychological effect is something that you must add into your calculations. and factor in. >> and we shouldn't be allowing that mass intimidation on our

streets . i that mass intimidation on our streets. i mean, that mass intimidation on our streets . i mean, they've had streets. i mean, they've had their say, they've had their moment had 3 or moment, they've had 2 or 3 or whatever they they they whatever it is they they they need now. and we should need to stop now. and we should not allow any it is not allow any more. it is grotesquely unfair to the british jews living in london as just as a small community, never mind the wider community. and they're achieve anything. >> but to be fair, look, the british jews are also having their well. british jews are also having their so well. british jews are also having their so not ell. british jews are also having their so not just pretty >> so? so it's not just pretty peaceful they don't require peaceful and they don't require anything as much of a anything like as much of a police it does appear police presence. it does appear that . but also the israelis that way. but also the israelis are in are and the jewish people in this having their this country are having their marches as well. and i'm not saying , you know, everyone saying that, you know, everyone on pro—palestinian marches on the pro—palestinian marches is anti—semitic. i'm just saying that there seems an energy of anti—semitism that seems to have developed around this. and i just find it unacceptable. >> i don't it's a >> i don't think it's a generalisation to state that everybody marches hates everybody on these marches hates the israeli government. i think that's factual, because it's the israeli government. >> you can't say that. >> you can't say that. >> why would you join the march if you supported israel ? if you supported israel? >> no. >> no. >> well, you say that. that's what saying. march. you what i'm saying. the march. you wouldn't you what i'm saying. the march. you woulare you what i'm saying. the march. you woulare want you what i'm saying. the march. you woulare want israel you what i'm saying. the march. you woulare want israel to ou they are they want israel to stop bombing of in

gaza. >> well, we want everybody. i want them stop. so hamas, want them all to stop. so hamas, stop israel. want them all to stop. so hamas, stop stop israel. want them all to stop. so hamas, stop stop the israel. want them all to stop. so hamas, stop stop the bombingel. want them all to stop. so hamas, stop stop the bombing of gaza israel, stop the bombing of gaza and free the hostages for goodness sake . that's what i goodness sake. that's what i read something the other day, which is obvious if you think about it, but i hadn't thought about it, but i hadn't thought about it, but i hadn't thought about it, and it really put a chill through me that there are women , women who were hostages women, women who were hostages and have now been released, and there who still there are women who are still hostages who are now pregnant hostages, who are now pregnant or pregnant. >> really , because they've been >> really, because they've been raped. i had no idea of that. >> listen, i haven't i haven't read that. >> can you imagine having christine? >> so i can't verify what you're saying? i haven't read it. >> so i can't verify what you're saywell, haven't read it. >> so i can't verify what you're saywell, itaven't read it. >> so i can't verify what you're saywell, it iten't read it. >> so i can't verify what you're saywell, it it stands d it. >> so i can't verify what you're saywell, it it stands d ireason >> well, it it stands to reason if a lot women been. if a lot of women have been. is that that that something that you've that's somewhere that's been written somewhere that's been written somewhere that where where have that we can where where have you. remember you. i can't remember where i saw but think about saw it, but if you think about it, stands to reason if women it, it stands to reason if women have potentially have been raped potentially stand i don't know whether >> but i don't know whether that's the that that's a horrific the fact that you've made is correct. but we will that. nothing . will check that. but nothing. this shows without you this shows nothing without you and welcome this shows nothing without you and great welcome this shows nothing without you and great british welcome this shows nothing without you and great british voices, lcome this shows nothing without you and great british voices, their; our great british voices, their opportunity to be on the show and tell they think and tell us what they think about the topics we're

discussing. is back. discussing. the map is back. where hey, i think where should we go? hey, i think kidderminster. try kidderminster. should we try there see john is there to see if john reid is there to see if john reid is there ? there? >> holac carpets eventually . >> holac carpets eventually. >> holac carpets eventually. >> john eventually look, he's out outside as well. john, do you think it's time for people to cough up and pay for these pro—palestine protest marches ? i pro—palestine protest marches? i think not only this protest march, but every other protest march. >> you know, it's misuse of the police, isn't it? >> however, the pragmatic part of says , however, would you of me says, however, would you collect the money? it was just, you know, i think it's too much. never mind about what they're marching because we live marching about because we live in democracy, don't we? in a democracy, don't we? >> so you can't people >> so you can't stop people marching feel the need marching if they feel the need to so. to do so. >> you might not agree what >> you might not agree with what they're marching for. i unfortunately don't know enough about the middle east to know whether thing or whether this is a good thing or a this march, but a bad thing. this march, but if you're about the simple you're talking about the simple question, charge for question, should we charge for doing the police services ? you doing the police services? you know, i don't really see how you could possibly anybody. could possibly go to anybody. and get any money. just go and get any money. we'll just go on and on. that's for the court system . system. >> they p.-

>> well, they have to get permission to the marched permission to have the marched on. presumably the organiser. on. so presumably the organiser. but that, but then having said that, there's hundreds of there's so many hundreds of thousands on these thousands of people on these marches, get marches, they're probably get the which marches, they're probably get the enough. which marches, they're probably get the enough. save which marches, they're probably get the enough. save us1ich is fair enough. it'll save us from money. john in from spending the money. john in kidderminster, you very kidderminster, thank you very much. see yes. nice much. nice to see you. yes. nice lighting out there outside a garage. well, yeah , it looked in garage. well, yeah, it looked in the background. >> the lights on? >> you just had the lights on? >> you just had the lights on? >> oh no. luckily outside >> no. oh no. luckily outside wall was the inside or outside. >> let us know. gb views dup news.com. said news.com. somebody just said inside he was he's outside. he said listen, you've just said well listen, if you've just tuned welcome. is gb tuned in. welcome. this is gb news. tv, online news. we're live on tv, online and digital still to and on digital radio. still to come, outside. uh, come, this week's outside. uh, i'll clues. he's i'll give you the clues. he's a businessman and a philanthropist. currently philanthropist. he's currently a chairman mobile park chairman of a mobile home park company. another clue. well, he's a romanichal traveller , and he's a romanichal traveller, and he's a romanichal traveller, and he left school at the age of just 12. started his first business at just 14 years old. who is he? he'll be here very shortly . shortly. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsor of weather on . gb news.

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wind along those coasts there on tuesday, our attention turns to this feature that's going to start pushing its way the start pushing its way into the nonh start pushing its way into the north west as it moves into the cold of it. that does cold air ahead of it. that does bnng cold air ahead of it. that does bring the risk of some further snowfall, particularly for central scotland central areas of scotland down across the pennines. parts across the pennines. but parts of it be of northern ireland it will be a bit of transient bit more of a transient rain, snow feature and eventually snow feature and then eventually into areas of northern into other areas of northern england southern areas england as well. southern areas staying drier. but the cold theme persists right throughout staying drier. but the cold the|coming sts right throughout staying drier. but the cold the|coming week. ht throughout staying drier. but the cold the|coming week. byeiroughout staying drier. but the cold the|coming week. bye byeihout staying drier. but the cold the|coming week. bye bye looks the coming week. bye bye looks like things are heating up . like things are heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> good afternoon. this is gb news. welcome if you're just tuned in. good to have your company on company. i'm nana akua live on tv online and on digital radio. coming up in the next hour. my great british debate and i'm asking, tony blair be asking, should sir tony blair be stripped of his knighthood? but next up, it's world view. we'll get latest on what's going get the latest on what's going on in the united states .

good afternoon. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua now. i've just realised and we've just realised that both danny, christine and myself, we are actually because of the colours. we of gabon. well, we are the flag of gabon. well, well , i've been we are the flag of gabon. well, well, i've been doing a bit of research phone . research on my phone. >> we're several flags >> um, we're we're several flags . if nana goes on top and i'm in the middle and danny's at the

bottom, if bottom, we are gabon. but if it's other way around and it's the other way around and danny i'm still danny goes on top and i'm still in all in the middle and we're all crushed, we're. crushed, no, then we're. >> then we're finished . quite a >> then we're finished. quite a few realised we're rude. few dreams realised we're rude. it's true though, amongst our male audience, but none are on top . top. >> there's a whole list of red. yellow. we could have a game where we just keep moving around. >> we are anywhere. >> we are anywhere. >> somewhere as >> there's somewhere flag as well. somewhere called >> there's somewhere flag as well. whichymewhere called >> there's somewhere flag as well. which wouldere called >> there's somewhere flag as well. which would have lled >> there's somewhere flag as well. which would have me el guamo, which would have me on top. middle you top. you in the middle and you at bottom. top. you in the middle and you at oh, )ottom. top. you in the middle and you at oh, god.n. >> oh, god. >> oh, god. >> anyway. but basically >> and anyway. but basically i think flag gabon, think where the flag of gabon, christine hamilton lot christine hamilton on top a lot of wet dreams being realised. >> top . >> top. >> top. >> danny. danny, please. honestly, have descended honestly, how have we descended into from the flag of into this from the flag of christine hamilton ? christine hamilton? >> it. >> a vision of it. >>— >> a vision of it. >> i'm just talking about flags. so . so mine. >> right. well, i'm going to move on swiftly now to speak to paul duddridge, host of the politics people podcast, on that bombshell, we'll travel over to the states and find out what's going on there. uh paul duddridge, i hope he missed that. hear any duddridge, i hope he missed th.that. hear any duddridge, i hope he missed th.that. paul hear any duddridge, i hope he missed th.that. paul duddridgezar any duddridge, i hope he missed th.that. paul duddridge right|y duddridge, i hope he missed th.that. paul duddridge right. of that. paul duddridge right. he heard it. he's shock. sorry,

paul he heard it. he's shock. sorry, paul. so i feel like i've phoned into one of those webs sites. >> anyway. so yes, i the flag of gabon. >> yes, sir. paul duddridge, talk to us about what's going on in the states with trump. give us an update iowa caucus tomorrow. >> so this is going to be the very first. everything's been an opinion poll up till now. >> uh, so we're finally seeing the first boat and it's called the first boat and it's called the iowa caucus. >> and there's caucuses and primaries. and this is where parties start deciding who is going to their nominee for going to be their nominee for the presidential election in november. and the very first one, and states , it's a bit sort one, and states, it's a bit sort of, um , uh, a kind of like of, um, uh, a kind of like a eurovision judges thing who gets to be the first person to actually give their, uh, uh, give their results and iowa, since about the 70s, has tried to be the first to , state um, to be the first to, state um, create some idea of who the nominee is going to be. so every party, they have delegates and

you try and get as many delegates as possible and get over the i think it's a 2500 delegates are up for play, and each each candidate tries to get like past the finishing line and past that sort of middle line of 1500 or whatever. um, but the point is, uh, trump is streets ahead of everybody else. he's on 52% support currently in the opinion polls for the iowa caucus tomorrow. and what's interesting is desantis is now a distant third. so unless there is some kind of natural disaster tomorrow that prevents people voting and there's a low turnout, desantis is probably going to be dropping out after tomorrow. so that that's the biggest story. tomorrow. so that that's the biggest story . and it's great biggest story. and it's great that finally people are being able to vote for trump. he's sitting at 52. i hope he outperforms that. but nikki haley the a lot of the big money and a lot of democrat supporters, even remember she's a republican supposedly democrat. money is going in and supporting nikki haley to try and oust trump. the anti—trump

movement in established politics is so powerful that you have democrats actually funding nikki haley. it's quite extraordinary . haley. it's quite extraordinary. >> um, i'm just looking at trump's hair. some of us couldn't stop laughing at it. it's just hilarious. listen, very brief. we've about very brief. we've got about 10s talk about chris christie, talk to me about chris christie, who's dropped out from the anti—trump establishment race. is that right? >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> yes. christie's dropped out and taken his four supporters with him, but it's where do his supporters go? and they largely we'll find out tomorrow . so it we'll find out tomorrow. so it looks like they've largely gone to nikki haley. if you to support nikki haley. if you supported christie , supported chris christie, there's or it's very there's no way or it's very unlikely go, well, unlikely that you go, well, okay. was my second choice okay. trump was my second choice because such an because he's been such an anti—trump think anti—trump candidate. so i think tomorrow to tomorrow you're going to see that who were that the supporters who were backing chris are going backing chris christie are going to move their support, take their support over to nikki haley's camp. >> well, listen, thank you so much . paul duddridge, host of much. paul duddridge, host of the podcast. the politics people podcast. stay because i've got stay tuned because i've got my mystery way in the mystery guest on the way in the next . this

next hour. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting headlines topics hitting the headlines right my outside right now. coming up, my outside guest now we've given you lots of clues. have you worked out who gb views dup who he is? gb views dup news.com. for the great news.com. then for the great british debate hour, british debate this hour, i'm asking should blair asking should sir tony blair be stripped his knighthood? but stripped of his knighthood? but first, your latest . news >> good afternoon. it's 5:00. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. the government has rejected claims that britain's aircraft carriers cannot be sent to the middle east because of a personnel shortage. raf jets made a round trip of more than 3000 miles from cyprus on thursday to take part in a series of strikes on houthi positions in yemen, foreign secretary lord cameron has warned. the uk may intervene again if attacks on ships in the

red sea continue. there have been reports that a recruitment crisis is preventing the navy sending aircraft carriers to the region, but defence minister james cartlidge says that's not the case. there is no truth whatsoever in the suggestion that we cannot deploy the carrier. >> i'm pleased to confirm both our carriers are in portsmouth. they are at readiness and they are available to be deployed if needed. are available to be deployed if needed . if the operational needed. if the operational decision is that that is the appropriate response . appropriate response. >> meanwhile, the government is facing calls for a retrospective vote on strikes against the houthi rebels . labour leader sir houthi rebels. labour leader sir keir starmer says while parliamentary approval should be sought in most armed interventions, there are exceptions . exceptions. >> difference between a limited targeted operation and a sustained campaign , usually sustained campaign, usually involving troops on the ground involving troops on the ground in relation to the former, i think everybody understands that there are always going to be cases where in the national interest we have to act

urgently, but where there's a sustained campaign, then yes , i sustained campaign, then yes, i do think parliament should be informed, should have a debate , informed, should have a debate, should know the basis and should have the opportunity to vote . have the opportunity to vote. >> the former home secretary has attended a rally marking 100 days since the october seventh massacre in israel. that's being held in central london, suella braverman could be seen to talking others in attendance and clapping at speeches. she says remaining hostages caught up in the conflict need to be brought home. now thousands of people are in trafalgar square, with many holding posters showing those still being held those who are still being held by held hostage by by the hostage held hostage by hamas. others have been seen waving persian flags with a sun and lion in the centre, representing opposition to the iranian government. representing opposition to the iranian government . those at the iranian government. those at the rally say it was important for them to attend . them to attend. >> so we're here to stand with israel to get the hostages back home as quick as you can and to bnng home as quick as you can and to bring peace the world. bring peace to the world. >> i've got three kids that live in israel ,

>> i've got three kids that live in israel, israel and i stay with israel. >> i wish my role there should be peace in the region. >> the fight for the return of the hostages has been going on now for 100 days, and they should not be there one more minute. they must. should not be there one more minute. they must . they should not be there one more minute. they must. they must come home now to their families . come home now to their families. so i'm here to do my little bit to support that and to fight for that fight . that fight. >> five migrants are now known to have died trying to cross the engush to have died trying to cross the english channel overnight. french officials say up to 70 people got into difficulty while trying board a boat in trying to board a boat in darkness off a beach just north of the incident of boulogne. the incident happened near wimereux at around 2 am, triggering a major emergency response. a further two migrant boats arrived in the uk waters this morning, with at least 100 people taken to dover . least 100 people taken to dover. snow and ice warnings have been extended across the uk as the country faces an arctic blast .

country faces an arctic blast. the new warnings cover the whole of scotland as well as parts of wales and england, including newcastle and manchester. up to ten centimetres of snow is expected in the north of scotland today, and it'll be a similar scene in northern ireland tomorrow to the freezing temperatures forecast to temperatures are forecast to move further south over the course the week, affecting course of the week, affecting parts of northern england. roads course of the week, affecting part railwayshern england. roads course of the week, affecting part railways are| england. roads course of the week, affecting part railways are likelyand. roads course of the week, affecting part railways are likely to!. roads course of the week, affecting part railways are likely to be )ads and railways are likely to be disrupted . denmark now has disrupted. denmark now has a king with frederic. the 10th taking the throne. he succeeds his mother, queen margrethe who has formally abdicated after 52 years as monarch . the king, his years as monarch. the king, his australian born wife mary, who is now queen, and their children waved to huge crowds from the balcony of christiansborg palace. king charles and queen camilla have sent their best wishes . and lava from a volcano wishes. and lava from a volcano has reached a fishing town in iceland . a river of hot molten iceland. a river of hot molten rock can be seen flowing towards grindavik in the southwest of the country . the lava setting

the country. the lava setting some houses on fire. the country's president says no lives are in danger because the area has been evacuated, but infrastructure remains at risk. the volcanoes became active again this morning. the volcanoes became active again this morning . this is the again this morning. this is the fifth eruption on the peninsula since 2021, though the top stories on gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to . nana to. nana >> thank you tatiana. good afternoon. if you've just tuned in, where on earth have you been? it's just thatcherite approaching minutes after approaching six minutes after 5:00. this is news tv, 5:00. this is gb news on tv, onune 5:00. this is gb news on tv, online digital radio. i'm online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking nana akua and for the next hour, mesome�*ny panel will be taking nana akua and for the next hour, mesome of panel will be taking nana akua and for the next hour, me some of the |el will be taking nana akua and for the next hour, mesome of the bigvill be taking nana akua and for the next hour, me some of the big topics taking on some of the big topics hitting right hitting the headlines. right now. is all about now. this show is all about opinion. mine. it's theirs. opinion. it's mine. it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing at be debating, discussing and at times disagree , but no be debating, discussing and at timewill disagree , but no be debating, discussing and at timewill be disagree , but no be debating, discussing and at timewill be cancellede , but no be debating, discussing and at timewill be cancelled ., but no be debating, discussing and at timewill be cancelled . sort no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is author and

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. gb news. so every sunday at five, i'm joined by a celebrity, a former mp or someone who's had an extremely interesting career to take a look at. life after the job. we talk highs and lows and lessons learnt and what comes the outside . and comes next on the outside. and today guest calls himself the today my guest calls himself the gyp5y today my guest calls himself the gypsy billionaire . he became gypsy billionaire. he became successful after launching the largest residential mobile home park operator and operating business in europe. he was also born in a caravan, but now has a country mansion, helicopter tour and a reported net worth of 745 million. well let's have a look at a trailer from his new documentary . documentary. >> i genuinely believe that it is the solution to affordable housing that could be not would be is the solution to affordable housing. i said to my mum, i said, i think it's a great thing there's a community, no stamp duty, no land register. >> but you know what we're providing is the answer. >> the perception of gypsy is

liars, tramps and thieves . liars, tramps and thieves. >> we've just got abused all the time for being who we was for the gypsy culture. >> he's wonderful. really >> he's wonderful. really >> i'm not the smartest man in the anything, i'm on the book. if anything, i'm on the book. if anything, i'm on the but on the the last page, but i'm on the first page it comes to work ethic. >> so i think you've worked it out. i'm joined in the studio by businessman philanthropist businessman and philanthropist alfie alfie . welcome. alfie best. alfie. welcome. >> well, thank you again for having me on nana. it's always a privilege . privilege. >> well, it's good to see you because you have just put this documentary obviously documentary together. obviously you didn't do yourself. you didn't do it yourself. personally, came to you you didn't do it yourself. persasked. came to you you didn't do it yourself. persasked. to came to you you didn't do it yourself. persasked. to doame to you you didn't do it yourself. persasked. to do thisto you you didn't do it yourself. persasked. to do this .i you you didn't do it yourself. persasked. to do this . talk and asked you to do this. talk to me about, you know, your thoughts on this. >> didn't want >> um, i genuinely didn't want to do it first off. and the reason i didn't want to do it, we i did a programme before called undercover big boss , and called undercover big boss, and i think that was, well received. so i thought, like , nine doesn't so i thought, like, nine doesn't strike twice. i'm not, um, a tv personality by any shape of the imagination. i'm just a humble park home operator . that's what park home operator. that's what i do. um, so i didn't

particularly want to do it . i do. um, so i didn't particularly want to do it. um. uh, joel van der molen from van der comm films badgered me for about three months. um, and i did it . it about three months. um, and i did it. it took about 18 months. um, of them following me around. everything that you see in the documentary is, is completely true. it's everything is there. um, sort of . your life is sort um, sort of. your life is sort of laid out in front of everybody, and, um, i wasn't sure how it was going, but i can only say the feedback back that i've had has been overwhelming. and humbling. and it's like looking through a glass mirror at somebody else. it's as if you're having a, um , the phrase you're having a, um, the phrase i'd use is imposter syndrome. certainly speaks out for me because i'm looking at somebody else and i'm thinking , is, is else and i'm thinking, is, is that me? um, that's that's the honest answer. but it's been

overwhelming ing with some of the feedback . you always get the feedback. you always get a few haters, you know, you can't be everybody's strawberry , shall be everybody's strawberry, shall we say? >> um, well , we say? >> um, well, you we say? >> um, well , you know, you've >> um, well, you know, you've had a very interesting career, but you were born in a in a caravan . is this right? yeah. caravan. is this right? yeah. about your your upbringing, your home life and what made you such a, well, such an entrepreneur? where did you get your entrepreneurial spirit from? >> um , i the answer to that is, >> um, i the answer to that is, i really don't know. what i can say is i've always had the need and the urge and a drive . um, and the urge and a drive. um, that drive has been there from a young age , and it's not been young age, and it's not been without its problems . it's not without its problems. it's not been without , um, it's, you been without, um, it's, you know, 1990 or sort of 1988 to 1990, in that recession . i was 1990, in that recession. i was so badly hit that i nearly lost absolutely everything. and i had absolutely everything. and i had a murmur and collapsed across the desk. i was 20, um , but the desk. i was 20, um, but look, that's the stress. and

strains of life. >> but at 20, had you how much have you made by then? >> by by 20 i'd. i was well in excess of being a millionaire . excess of being a millionaire. yeah. um, but what what you have today can be taken from you tomorrow. you know, somebody said to me, oh, it's fine because you're successful now. and my reply to them was, no, we never know whether we're fully successful until our last breath. and the reason being, what's it's there are hills and mountains in life. and for every high there's a low. and for every low there's a high. we just have to know to keep climbing. and all the time we're climbing. and all the time we're climbing. the air gets clearer. >> so when you almost lost it, all that you said was during the recession in 1990, what was the business that you were doing? was it your mobile home still or what business was it and why did you almost lose everything? >> well, i was a male gigolo then and that's why i nearly went bankrupt. no no you weren't. >> you're making it up. >> you're making it up.

>> , no, no, i was , um, i was, >> no, no, no, i was, um, i was, uh— >> no, no, no, i was, um, i was, uh .— >> no, no, no, i was, um, i was, uh , in you . uh, in you. >> what? he said he was a male gigolo . sorry gigolo. sorry >> the, um , of the business that >> the, um, of the business that i was in there was called uk . i was in there was called uk. um. hold on, let me try and think that uk commercial sales. and then we changed it to a best commercials and it was one of the real first businesses that i had. that was really proud of. and we hired out vans and sold vans to the to the building trade. and in the 80s, the building boom was a thriving business and we were supplying the vans to the to that trade. and then when the 1989 1990 interest rate rise and they went from 8% to 16. >> yeah, shocking . >> yeah, shocking. >> yeah, shocking. >> it was well, all of a sudden interest rates doubled overnight and that caused my demise . and i and that caused my demise. and i don't mind saying to you that was one of the most humbling

experiences that i've, that i've ever faced and ever had to deal with. um, and i think i thought at the time when and i did , i at the time when and i did, i thought that i could walk on water. what i realised is you can't and you must have to be a very good swimmer and a recession . recession. >> um, or you must have to be christ, because i think he walked on as didn't walked on water as well, didn't he? you he? yeah that's not so. you weathered that. you managed to get it. how get out of get it. how did you get out of that, then? >> um, i, i the house that i was living in, couldn't afford to living in, i couldn't afford to pay living in, i couldn't afford to pay the mortgage, so moved out pay the mortgage, so i moved out of the house. i put a mattress in the back of an escort van. now, considering i was driving a new 911 porsche, i had a half £1 million house, and i had a business that was making £150,000 a year. all of a sudden i'm moving out of the house, renting the house, out, living in the back of a van and having to break up the van, pitch into small units and renting them out

for £50 and £70. just just to make the mortgage. um, and then i slept in the van for about three months, and i had to find a new business. i had three choices. one, one give up, two buckle up and three set up and i decided to do the latter two, and i got a job in a mobile phone shop, which was the new exciting business. and, um, i, i got a job for £70 a week. i learned the business and within three months we'd opened up our own mobile phone shop. wow. now, in 1990, mobile phones were like, new, sexy. you know, they didn't have a cord . it was like this. >> unbelievable . they were like >> unbelievable. they were like bricks. i remember boxes , they bricks. i remember boxes, they were like a brick. and then they like the antenna was like a thick pencil on top. i can actually remember being in asda. somebody they went, somebody had one and they went, hello this and i was

hello, and this thing. and i was like, god, wow. now like, oh my god, wow. now there's the there's probably no one on the end of probably because end of it. probably because that's were. but end of it. probably because that set were. but end of it. probably because thatset a were. but end of it. probably because thatset a businesszre. but end of it. probably because thatset a business withyut those. >> i set up a business and within months we had 18 within 18 months we had 18 stores. wow >> no, honestly. >> no, honestly. >> uh , it was that era of >> and, uh, it was that era of finding the new sexy business that i fell in love with. and i often wonder whether it was the right thing or the wrong thing that i sold out. >> and so you sold . >> and so you sold. >> and so you sold. >> you sold this business in the end, sold the business after about four years. um, we sold it to a subsidiary of vodafone at the time. >> how much you sell it for? >> how much did you sell it for? £5 wow. alf you know, £5 million. wow. alf you know, really considering i was out for broke and to and to come back would i say there was a an emphasis of luck there? >> absolutely . i think we can >> absolutely. i think we can all sit and say, oh, we're good at what we do . um, but the truth at what we do. um, but the truth of the matter is, we do need a little bit of luck, but

persistence and consistency create it's luck. >> are you very disciplined and organised? i think so, yes. >> yeah. i try to be very organised in what i'm doing. if you look at my desk , i have you look at my desk, i have every paper laid out correctly. reason being , i like to see reason being, i like to see what, what each job that i'm doing . i have what, what each job that i'm doing. i have a list of jobs what, what each job that i'm doing . i have a list of jobs the doing. i have a list of jobs the night before when i come into work. do you love a list? >> yes, i love a list . >> yes, i love a list. >>— >> yes, i love a list. >> do we have a tick list? >> do we have a tick list? >> oh, it's great, it? >> oh, it's great, isn't it? >> oh, it's great, isn't it? >> it you get >> well, it helps you get through day. you're through the day. yeah. you're not, especially i'm not, uh, especially i'm a multitasker now , a lot of people multitasker now, a lot of people say that you shouldn't multitask like i multitask. five, six, seven things an hour. but but when you're running, we have something like 18 different businesses now. and when you, uh, have a report on each business and you want to put your piece into that business to keep it, um, on the cutting edge, you have to be able to

multitask . multitask. >> oh, god. yeah i could talk to you for ages. >> i just looked at the time, thought, crikey, i could really talk to you. i feel like i've been speaking to you five been speaking to you for five minutes. you had a pearl of minutes. if you had a pearl of wisdom to people, wisdom to pass on to people, because there'll be people watching you thinking, how has he literally came he done this? you literally came from having he done this? you literally came from lost having he done this? you literally came from lost everythingving he done this? you literally came from lost everything .ing he done this? you literally came from lost everything . there almost lost everything. there must be something about you where you able to keep doing where you are able to keep doing this because it's obviously it feels like it's a scientific, almost formula that you obviously but what's the formula? >> i'm i'm a look, i'm a simple person. i'm a common person . i'm person. i'm a common person. i'm a nobody. and there is nothing special about me. what i would say to you, anybody out there never let the haters , the never let the haters, the naysayers put you down. take from them their fire of putting you down to drive you. that's right. that's right. that's it's as simple as that. persistency and consistency . kc will move and consistency. kc will move mountains and i love that on

that, on that bombshell . that, on that bombshell. >> you talk me talk to me about this documentary. where can people watch it? >> called the gypsy >> um, it's called the gypsy billionaire. um, it's on amazon prime. um, i can only say hi to everybody that's out there. i just want to say thank you. thank you so much for watching. it's trending. number two. wow. only second to taylor swift. >> no , really, i say it and i'm >> no, really, i say it and i'm like, um, i'm blushing with pride. >> so look . thank you everybody. >> so look. thank you everybody. anyway >> and it's called what it's called. >> it's called the gypsy billionaire. and it's on amazon prime. >> wow. well done alfie. really good. so good to talk to you. thank you so much for coming to see me. thank you. can't see me. thank you. i can't believe that the time time has run it's run out. so quickly. it's ridiculous. is this? this? ridiculous. what is this? this? if just tuning if you're just tuning in. welcome board. this is gb welcome on board. this is gb news tv, online on news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. coming we'll discussing coming up, we'll be discussing electric they electric cars. are they dangerous ? yes. the king plans dangerous? yes. the king plans to install six electric car charging points at windsor castle, but this could be thwarted by archaeologists. but up it's time for the great

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monologues and everything else on gb website. it's on our gb news website. but it's time now for the great british debate i'm debate this hour, and i'm asking, should sir blair be asking, should sir tony blair be stripped knighthood now? stripped of his knighthood now? it's as a public inquiry reveals that the ex—labour prime minister was warned about the flawed horizon system at the centre of the post office scandal , and centre of the post office scandal, and we now centre of the post office scandal , and we now know that he scandal, and we now know that he was told the it software was possibly unreliable before he gave it the go ahead and after ex post office boss paula vennells gave her cbe back and with calls for liberal democrat leader sir ed davey to return his knighthood , i'm asking his knighthood, i'm asking should sir tony blair be stripped of his . well, i'm stripped of his. well, i'm joined now by former labour adviser james joined now by former labour adviserjames mathewson and adviser james mathewson and political commentator suzanne evans. political commentator suzanne evans . i'm political commentator suzanne evans. i'm going to start political commentator suzanne evans . i'm going to start with evans. i'm going to start with you , david mathewson . james you, david mathewson. james evans, sorry, not david. david, change your name. >> um , yeah. >> um, yeah. >> um, yeah. >> yeah. that's right. um i mean, it's a difficult one.

>> this i mean, i would say that there are many other things tony blair should be considered having knighthood having his knighthood stripped for this discussion. for before this discussion. >> before his. previously, however, i think it's very unlikely that we're going to see a situation where a former prime minister is stripped of this because obviously they're going to say that the achievements and the reasons why he was awarded that knighthood was so significant so diverse . significant and so diverse. being a prime minister, um , you being a prime minister, um, you know, with his services to the country as a whole, that he's unlikely to see that challenged . unlikely to see that challenged. i can see why people are asking the question. i think it's important. know important. we need to know exactly and when . exactly what he knew and when. um, and how this stands for the labour party going and labour party going forward. and it does unfortunately make a lot of people on the labour side very frustrated because, once again, know, there was again, you know, there was almost like open goal. there almost like an open goal. there was to attack was a chance to attack the government, to account government, hold them to account and ed davey into the and to bring ed davey into the mix. fantastic, because you rarely get to have a go at the lib and then all of a lib dems and then all of a sudden it turns out that, you know, throw in

know, you can't throw stones in glass i it's glass houses. so i think it's a difficult situation . i don't difficult situation. i don't think, however , it's going to think, however, it's going to result in tony blair hand in anything back. >> but do think it should do >> but do you think it should do you he should having to you think he should be having to hand mean, there hand it back? i mean, there is of , the war iraq, of course, the war in iraq, which a lot people are not which a lot of people are not happy turned out to happy about. that turned out to be something that, um, really got and now this got us into. and now this particular situation where he apparently , too, that the apparently knew, too, that the software reliable . and software was not reliable. and with things that with the subsequent things that happened surely, this happened, surely, surely, this is something that do you think he could he could or should be. >> i think again , i think when >> i think again, i think when it comes to should in my mind, we still don't know enough of what he knew and when. and why. i do think there was questions should be answered, and i think he answer he should answer those questions. hopefully questions. and i think hopefully , um, it will become part of that inquiry and we can pull everything ask everything together and ask these people in positions of power at the time, what did you know that's power at the time, what did you know a that's power at the time, what did you knowa inquiry that's power at the time, what did you knowa inquiry shouldit's power at the time, what did you knowa inquiry should do . what a proper inquiry should do. well, and let's get suzanne , i well, and let's get suzanne, i want to get suzanne evans in on this one. >> suzanne evans .

>> suzanne evans. >> suzanne evans. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so it's very interesting . >> so it's very interesting. nana you've been a great nana you've been running a great poll , the social poll on ex, the social media forum. to twitter forum. we used to call twitter asking whether he should be stripped knighthood and stripped of his knighthood, and i've a look some i've been having a look at some of replies gb viewers of the replies that gb viewers have to poll. and it of the replies that gb viewers héquite to poll. and it of the replies that gb viewers héquite astonishing. oll. and it of the replies that gb viewers héquite astonishing. itl. and it of the replies that gb viewers héquite astonishing. it isknd it is quite astonishing. it is almost a universal yes . and of almost a universal yes. and of course, it's not just about the post office scandal, is it? we've already mentioned the war in iraq. it's about that too . in iraq. it's about that too. and so many people, i think, are quite asking, well, why quite rightly asking, well, why on given honour on earth was he given an honour in the first place, given his appalling well, we all appalling record? well, we all know the answer that. it's know the answer to that. it's gongs boys , isn't it? gongs for the boys, isn't it? but mind. so here we are. but never mind. so here we are. he's got his gong. i agree it's probably going to be probably not going to be stripped arguably it stripped of him, but arguably it should be. he is. got a track record of ignoring government advice . he clearly we now know, advice. he clearly we now know, ignored the advice on horizon. of course , we also know he of course, we also know he ignored government lawyers advice about the war in iraq. he ignored the un security council. he ignored kofi annan . um, he he ignored kofi annan. um, he ignored. he ignored his own lawyers and did what he wanted

to do. does he care about the post office scandal? he'll probably make all the right noises, but i personally can't see a man who was quite happy to be responsible for the death of countless numbers of civilians and british armed forces personnel getting worried about all, what, 700 people going to jail ? jail? >> um, because the thing is, he would have known if he knew that there was a situation with the software. then he could have easily found out more about what the situation was. clearly, there are complaints and things the situation was. clearly, there on complaints and things the situation was. clearly, there on asmplaints and things the situation was. clearly, there on as aslaints and things the situation was. clearly, there on as as itints and things the situation was. clearly, there on as as it stands, things the situation was. clearly, there on as as it stands, andigs the situation was. clearly, there on as as it stands, and it; going on as as it stands, and it just feels odd that these people who knew about things that were not great with regard to this software, perpetuate it. and it would appear that he didn't want to upset the relationship with, you know, fujitsu , which. that's right. >> it's about those government contracts . it's about, you know, contracts. it's about, you know, the arm's length bodies that implement them , washing your implement them, washing your hands of government responsibility . i hands of government responsibility. i mean, hands of government responsibility . i mean, the responsibility. i mean, the long, long list of people who've been involved in this scandal is

absolutely shocking . yeah. the absolutely shocking. yeah. the people turned a blind eye. the people turned a blind eye. the people that wouldn't meet with people, the people that wouldn't listen to the people that were raising the red flag , you know, raising the red flag, you know, ed davey not listening to ed davey not even listening to one of his subpostmaster one of his own subpostmaster constituents. it is just a shocking scandal. it's been called one of the largest miscarriages of justice in british history. and it's impossible to argue with that. it is quite, quite shocking. heads should roll. it is quite, quite shocking. heads should roll . whether any heads should roll. whether any do or not remains to be seen. >> well, that strikes us. i mean, i'm looking on the pole now. we asked and there's a poll on blair now. we asked and there's a poll on stripped blair now. we asked and there's a poll on stripped of blair now. we asked and there's a poll on stripped of his blair now. we asked and there's a poll on stripped of his knighthoodir be stripped of his knighthood and at the moment people and at the moment 91% of people say and 9% of people say no. say yes and 9% of people say no. and as you said, there are lots of people commenting, um , and of people commenting, um, and this has done a how the hell that bloke was deemed worthy of getting one the place. getting one in the first place. lisa said he should never have got it in the first place. um you know, this this is what you know, this is this is what people are saying, but i understand that you you don't think it would happen at think that it would happen at all you don't think that

all because you don't think that because he got it for other things as well. didn't things as well. but he didn't really mean , whilst really have much. i mean, whilst he was prime minister, he didn't. good didn't. he did some good things, but of other but there were a lot of other things he badly. sir things that he did badly. sir james, do you think that james, why do you think that that wouldn't happen? might that wouldn't happen? it might it it did. >> tony blair's government did do great things and it did achieve great things . you know, achieve great things. you know, i make no bones about that . um, i make no bones about that. um, as a, you know, as a labour person grew up under those person who grew up under those governments, myself saw governments, myself and saw the direct influence of them, you know, as the child of a single parent at the time, our lives were that were revolutionised by that government. tony government. however, tony blair's personal, um, investment in ego projects and various, you know, influenced easily influenced by, you know, george bush at the time and various other things that, you know, especially on the foreign policy stage. um that rightly so. i think viewers would say, why was he given a knighthood in the first place? unfortunately with the system that we work in, some heads are too big to roll, and this is one of them, i think. and what what and what and what what we see is and what we questioning

we should be questioning from this why and this honour this is why and how this honour system works. because if 91% of your viewers don't think he should have had it in the first place, then that tells you, unfortunately, that why was he given one in the first place? if the public have no say on the record of somebody who's been in power and yet they just get them and then crucially , can also and then crucially, can also give them away as well? well, um, then we see unfortunately , a um, then we see unfortunately, a system honours that makes system of, of honours that makes no and then you get no sense. and then you get these, you know, um, these people, people who, you people, the very people who, you know, horizon scandal has know, the horizon scandal has affected champions, affected community champions, people who've been, you know, you stalwarts of, um, of kind of support in their own communities for years being handed these little medals, you know. well, the little medals on the side of it, you know, whereas these, these big knighthoods go always to the people who've been at the top the tree. top of the tree. >> is it perhaps not time about time an example of sir time to make an example of sir tony and show others that tony blair and show others that you can have these things stripped away because can't stripped away because it can't be it and then when

be that you get it and then when things come up in your past whilst doing the whilst you've been doing the job, you've job, it turns out you've been doing really doing some things that really aren't that these aren't quite right that these that you the opportunity of it being stripped should be there. suzanne final word to you i totally agree. >> yes, absolutely. of >> yes, absolutely. and of course, would be really course, what would be really good be to see good would be to see a politician once politician just for once saying, i'm sorry , i got it wrong. i got i'm sorry, i got it wrong. i got this honour, i made a mistake. i'm handing it back. but i'm afraid i think that for tony blair, he could have a whole collection of moral compasses . collection of moral compasses. but he wouldn't compasses, but he a moral one. he wouldn't find a moral one. >> you very much, suzanne . >> thank you very much, suzanne. really to you. really good to talk to you. thank and thank you to suzanne. and also james to good talk to james mathewson. to good talk to you both. suzanne evans, this is gb online and gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, the great debate hour. great british debate this hour. i'm tony i'm asking, should sir tony blair his blair be stripped of his knighthood? the knighthood? you'll hear the thoughts , danny thoughts of my panel, danny kelly hamilton. kelly and christine hamilton. but get your latest but first, let's get your latest . news >> nana. thank you very much. 531 this is the latest from the

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promotes . these groups declare promotes. these groups declare all funds and funding sources, then make them responsible to pay then make them responsible to pay for police and get zero permissions. after a after a few very expensive protests , they very expensive protests, they will cease potentially, but if there's a lot of them, they might not. well listen keep keep getting in touch with all of those. but let's return to the great debate. this hour. those. but let's return to the gretasking, debate. this hour. those. but let's return to the gretasking, shoulde. this hour. those. but let's return to the gretasking, should sir'his hour. those. but let's return to the gretasking, should sir tonyour. i'm asking, should sir tony blair of his blair be stripped of his knighthood it's as public knighthood now it's as public inquiries that ex—labour inquiries reveal that ex—labour prime warned about prime minister was warned about the flawed horizon system at the centre of the post office scandal. we now know that he was told the it software was possibly unreliable before he gave it the go ahead . now, after gave it the go ahead. now, after ex post office boss paula vennells gave the cbe back and with calls for liberal democrat leader sir ed davey to return his knighthood, i'm asking should sir tony blair do the same? well let's see what my panel make of that. joining me now is broadcaster and columnist. you're not a columnist. you're not a columnist. has any of you ever written anything? >> yes, read

>> you haven't. yes, i've read lots of articles all over the place. >> broadcaster, columnist christine hamilton and also housewife, journalist and broadcaster danny kelly. >> yeah. yes. okay. yep. alexander who went first last time? >> christine . >> christine. >> christine. >> okay. danny. >> okay. danny. >> tony blair achieved quite a lot. whether you love or hate the guy, he he did some very positive things . and sure positive things. and i'm sure we've the we've discussed about the northern ireland, uh, good friday agreement, minimum wage, things like that. so should he , things like that. so should he, should he be stripped of his knighthood i knighthood because of this? i mean, it could mean, if he if it could be proven that he a blind proven that he turned a blind eye knowing about the potential harm and that that people were being prosecuted . being prosecuted. >> well, it does say that he was warned so was warned about it. so he was warned about it. so he was warned and he that it warned and he knew that it wasn't you know, and wasn't really, you know, and there after that, wasn't really, you know, and then of after that, wasn't really, you know, and ther> it's incredibly difficult. i would imagine he would say that you can't just using one you can't just stop using one computer program because of a potential fault, because you have to then employ a different

computer manufacturer to write some software. and it's not as easy.i some software. and it's not as easy. i don't i believe , as you easy. i don't i believe, as you just say, okay, stop using the honzon just say, okay, stop using the horizon software and let's introduce something else that's just not. >> yeah, but he was told that it was plagued with problems and also that the it experts found that the firm behind it was failing to meet good industry practice in its handling of the project. so he was warned about these things . these things. >> okay, i can't believe i'm an apologist for tony blair. no i can't believe it. >> i can't believe it either. >> i can't believe it either. >> we're all shocked. >> we're all shocked. >> going. >> keep going. >> keep going. >> i'm looking at this objectively. >> i don't like tony blair. i think he did harm think he did more harm than good. looking it good. but i'm looking at it objectively. would be objectively. and would he be aware , as the prime minister of aware, as the prime minister of the country, with so many other things that he has think things that he has to think about? would he be aware of the potential of 555 people being incorrectly prosecuted for theft , and whether he would be able to make that conscious judgement call or not? i don't believe he would. so on that basis, i don't

think he should. >> christine hamilton well, this horizon software was flagged up as unreliable. >> whatever that means. in 1999. and i think i mean , it was and i think i mean, it was disgusting cabinet, whether it was suitable or not. if the honzon was suitable or not. if the horizon software had been a drug, it would never have been allowed onto the market. never in a million years. tony blair had lots of cosy relationships with fujitsu, who were in his sedgefield constituency. they were. he was their constituency mp and i, the other person who i worry about all this is peter mandelson . he was right behind mandelson. he was right behind the whole thing . and where is the whole thing. and where is peter mandelson now? he's right behind keir starmer. i think behind keir starmer. so i think it was his malign influence as well . i it was his malign influence as well. i mean, tony blair isn't just sir tony blair, he's a knight of the garter, for heaven's sake. he's the most senior order, noble for senior order, noble order, for heaven's sake . uh, whether he heaven's sake. uh, whether he should be, i don't think he should be, i don't think he should necessarily yet be stripped because of this, stripped of it because of this, because know. because we don't know. you're quite don't quite right. we don't know enough i strip enough detail. but i would strip him his role in him because of his role in taking us into an illegal war. uh, in in iraq in 2003. do you

remember the weapons of mass destruction, the dodgy dossier, etc, etc. um, and then this is what i find extraordinary from a lot of people call him a war criminal. let's put that in brackets just so as not to offend anybody. but he goes from war criminal middle east war criminal to middle east envoy appointed by the un and the us and russia and the eu. i mean, for heaven's sake, tony blair is a middle east peace envoy. blair is a middle east peace envoy . well, that didn't end envoy. well, that didn't end very well, did it? >> just to go back to the cosy relationship with fujitsu in his constituency, i don't think that's a bad thing. >> i think that, well it is well, it is if it encouraged him , but if it is, if they're in charge of some software that's going out to a mass governmental body like the post again, body like the post office again, but need to just sort take but we need to just sort of take a clouded a step back, clouded his judgement because did did he know that it was be know that it was going to be like so to like this at the time? so to nurture relationship, he was nurture a relationship, he was warned as prime minister, you warned as a prime minister, you would about so many would be warned about so many things. you going to things. what are you going to replace it with? >> okay, so let me tell you

>> okay, so, so let me tell you what it says. >> it here, this is in the telegraph. >> defender. >> such a defender. >> such a defender. >> treasury document >> no, no a treasury document submitted prime minister. submitted to the prime minister. this telegraph on april this is the telegraph on april 22nd, icl pathway 22nd, 1999, entitled icl pathway a list of failures stated that independent reviews of the honzon independent reviews of the horizon project by external it experts have all concluded , most experts have all concluded, most recently this week, that icl pathway , the subsidiary firm pathway, the subsidiary firm building the system, have failed and are failing to meet good industry practice in taking this project forward. each version of the software release to date had been to faults and been subject to faults and problems, document added . problems, the document added. >> so he is clear he knew that he knew that, did he know he knew that, but did he know that good industry that not meeting good industry standards meant that 555 people were to be unfairly prosecuted? >> no, he couldn't possibly have seen that far ahead, but he certainly knew that's his defence. >> he was warned. >> no, but he was warned. he knew system unreliable knew that system was unreliable film, was owned by film, which was owned by fujitsu, would lead to major internal difficulties within fujitsu and a collapse of icl . fujitsu and a collapse of icl. >> okay, major internal difficulties and a collapse of

the company. >> icl that were creating this software. so he would he knew this, this is what it's saying. >> so okay, so was warned >> so okay, so he was warned from happen. from that happen. >> did he turn blind eye >> did he turn a blind eye in order show that fujitsu order to show that fujitsu didn't that didn't collapse. is that what the is? this is the inference is? well, this is the inference is? well, this is the it is inferring that sorry. >> go on. >>- >> go on. >> christine. no. >> go on. >> welltine. no. >> go on. >> well the. no. >> go on. >> well the inference that >> well the inference is that that warned and he that he was warned and he decided to overrule he decided to overrule it. he basically in quotes, okay, basically said in quotes, okay, it might not be perfect, but we're going ahead with now. we're going ahead with it now. how much he knew and how much he didn't know hopefully will come out inquiry. i mean, out in the inquiry. i mean, let's tony blair, sir tony let's have tony blair, sir tony blair front the inquiry. blair in front of the inquiry. let's exactly. let's find out exactly. >> knight the >> he was made a knight of the realm, with all realm, even with even with all of knight of the garter. >> it's unbelievable. >> it's unbelievable. >> but even with all of the things that his most noble order of garter, tony blair. but of the garter, tony blair. but but he was awarded that note . but he was awarded that note. what we know about iraq and everything he was awarded, though. going to be though. so. so is he going to be stripped? the point if stripped? so if the point is, if he all of that harm in he can do all of that harm in the east and still be the middle east and still be a knight of the garter, he won't be stripped of it. >> well, won't no, >> well, i won't no, no, no, but that only that but i think we're only asking be. that but i think we're only

ask not be. that but i think we're only ask not really. be. that but i think we're only ask but really. be. that but i think we're only ask but but.ly. be. that but i think we're only askbut but this be. that but i think we're only ask but but this very attitude is >> but but this very attitude is the reason why people who fail massively continue to get these orders things and orders and these things and then carry with it's is carry on with them. it's this is about somebody actually did about time somebody actually did something about time somebody actually did somethi is little elite >> this is cosy little elite club the top and they all club at the top and they all swim and out of davos the swim in and out of davos the whole time. and it's the global elite who for the elite who don't care for the little whether little people, whether they're postmistresses in, you postmistresses or people in, you know, wales mining valleys know, south wales mining valleys who brexit. who voted brexit. >> well listen think >> well listen they think they're better that. you they're better than that. you and views. they're better than that. you anclet's views. they're better than that. you anclet's welcome a great british >> let's welcome a great british voices opportunity be voices their opportunity to be on and tell us what on the show and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. there's only three it's three of you today, but it's good. it's all good. i'm going to adrian gel. he's to start with adrian gel. he's there . adrian, there in shropshire. adrian, should stripped of should tony blair be stripped of his well i think to his knighthood? well i think to start off with, i've got to say that there's a huge difference between the order knighthood, between the order of knighthood, which about the most junior which is about the most junior in the pecking order of titles to being given the knight of the garter, which is the senior order of chivalry , which is in order of chivalry, which is in the gift of the sovereign . the gift of the sovereign. >> for services to the crown . so

>> for services to the crown. so there's a in the past, many people have been stripped of their knighthoods to be stripped of the garter. the people have only been stripped either for waging war against the crown, kind of like emperor hirohito and various , uh, german princes , and various, uh, german princes, uh, who were the descendants of queen victoria. they've been stripped of the garter, otherwise , um, i think there's otherwise, um, i think there's only 68 members of the garter that have lost it in the past. and that is purely because they've had their heads lopped off on tower green. now if you think that this is worth lopping off his head, uh, for something thatis off his head, uh, for something that is as serious in today's , that is as serious in today's, um , today's view , but, uh, well, um, today's view, but, uh, well, it happened, uh , it would have it happened, uh, it would have been muddled up with the rest of the cabinet boxes . i don't think the cabinet boxes. i don't think necessarily that that's the case, but tony blair, on the other hand , you know, did more

other hand, you know, did more to ruin the constitution of this country than anybody else that i can think of. >> um, so, listen, i have to move on. >> i could actually listen to you for a long time. adrian i've got i've got to go to coral . uh, got i've got to go to coral. uh, but i could listen to you for a long time because you speak a lot sense. you're lot of sense. coral. you're next. think? she's next. what do you think? she's there ? there in cambridge? >> it's a big question. >> uh, it's a big question. >> uh, it's a big question. >> mean, what would it >> i mean, what would it actually him his actually mean to him to lose his knighthood ? and why did he get knighthood? and why did he get it in the first place? um, they don't seem to. i mean, as as one of your guests there said it's very much them and us, and it's becoming more and more this distance between us. um but if you're going to go after tony blair, you've got to look at a cameron as well. david keir starmer, they have all been aware of it. this has been going on for years and years and years . and why is it only now , now . and why is it only now, now that it's all coming out? it's because of an itv drama which which i mean, it's scandalous. and the thing is, you talk about

an inquiry and you know the truth. will come out then do we actually believe that they would stand and tell the truth because they're rotten to the core , and they're rotten to the core, and this absolutely stinks . as you this absolutely stinks. as you know, this has been going on for so long and so many people have turned their heads . and i was turned their heads. and i was listening to a program earlier, a chap who went and he visited, uh, fujitsu , and they denied he uh, fujitsu, and they denied he was ever there . i mean, there is was ever there. i mean, there is so much. yeah i saw that. i saw that much that could be said about this one. >> yeah. well listen, karl, we've got i've got to move on to get david in. uh, let's get david in. uh, but let's get david david uh, as you, uh, david in. david uh, as you, uh, he's quite rightly said. >> ed davey kc starmer, david cameron, anyone that was in power at the time of this debacle should be asked to return their knighthoods . return their knighthoods. >> but tony blair is responsible for so much mismanagement of his country. someone forgot the, uh, private public partnership of the nhs, which is shown total disaster . disaster. >> the open door policy for

everyone from the eastern europe to come to the uk will only be a few thousand. >> yeah, that's still we're still paying that price this man has caused more harm than good. all the good things that he did in this country are far way are in this country are far way are in significance for all the damage that he has done to uk and the rest of the world, i think he should be stripped of not only of the garter. he's not chivalrous. he is an appalling man. you man. sorry. that's what you think, david. >> obviously he's not here to defend himself and you don't know personally, but i mean, know him personally, but i mean, the fact matter remains the fact of the matter remains that part of all this, that he was part of all of this, and he should. don't think he and he should. i don't think he deserved at all. deserved the knighthood at all. adrian you very adrian gell, thank you very much. and also, much. uh, coral. and also, david, much. right david, thank you so much. right i've on to this i've got to move on to this story. it caught my eye. electric buses been electric powered buses have been catching across this catching fire across london this week wimbledon on thursday, week in wimbledon on thursday, an bus caught fire. an electric bus caught fire. we've got some images on screen. if was if you're watching on tv. it was quickly evacuated and there were no injuries. tfl has now withdrawn similar buses on the same route as a precaution . and same route as a precaution. and then another one, a

then there was another one, a hybnd then there was another one, a hybrid also that caught so hybrid also that caught fire. so doesit hybrid also that caught fire. so does it make you think that electric power vehicles are too dangerous? kelly, over to dangerous? danny kelly, over to you. away. you. straight away. >> you put the damn fire >> you can't put the damn fire out. impossible to put the out. it's impossible to put the fire a story fire out. there was a story where someone was in a tesla, i think, in texas, and they were in seat. the was in the back seat. the car was driving tree, driving itself, they hit a tree, and these people in and these poor people died in the most horrific manner. and the most horrific manner. and the fire brigade got there and they couldn't get him and they couldn't get him out. and they couldn't get him out. and they couldn't get him out. and they couldn't put fire out. they couldn't put the fire out. >> get you out >> they can't get you out because doors and because the doors are shut and that's there. >> have to the >> you can't you have to let the fire itself. put fire exhaust itself. you can put as much water, as much foam as you want these things, as much water, as much foam as you cannot these things, as much water, as much foam as you cannot putase things, as much water, as much foam as you cannot put the things, out. you cannot put the inferno out. i'm not a fan of electric cars. what i about, tell what i worry about, i tell you what i worry about 2030. what i worry about in 2030. if starmer to starmer gets in, he's going to bnng on starmer gets in, he's going to bring on on petrol and bring the ban on on petrol and diesel 2030. just diesel cars back to 2030. just think about the police forces all country who rely all around the country who rely on petrol diesel cars. when on petrol and diesel cars. when one they hand one shift finishes, they hand the keys over another. bobby, the keys over to another. bobby, they're have the keys over to another. bobby, they being have the keys over to another. bobby, they being charged have the keys over to another. bobby, they being charged . have cars being charged. >> we all are in the police, in the police car for hours, christine hamilton yeah, um .

christine hamilton yeah, um. >> windsor castle, which was where this was , went 30s windsor where this was, went 30s windsor castle has been dug up for all sorts of things for gas, electricity, goodness. and now the council are saying that that he can't have his charging points now. >> charles. yeah. king >> king charles. yeah. king charles electric cars are a rich man's toy. >> frankly, i think even though the richest man in the country can't have them because he can't find no know. >> yeah, no i know. >> yeah, no i know. >> they are a rich >> well, anyway, they are a rich man's toy, i hope. i and man's toy, i hope. i hope and pray they're going pray they're never going to catch not catch on because they're not financially etc. etc. financially viable, etc. etc. they will eventually, but they will come eventually, but not idea that not by 2030. so the idea that king charles can't have a few power points in somewhere in westminster in windsor, i think is absurd. yes, that's a story about king charles. >> he couldn't because he was not allowed to have his power points. >> the local council, you know, the points. the charging points. >> might be >> i know there might be archaeological underneath. well, heaven's sake. >> well, for heaven's sake. right >> well, listen. right >> but l, listen. right >> but i listen. right >> but i mean, electric cars are ridiculous. >> s i right? it's time >> s i agree, right? it's time now for supplement sunday with my discussed some of my panel and i discussed some of the that caught the stories that caught their eye. going with eye. i'm going to start with you, christine oh,

you, christine. oh, yes. >> this is caught my eye. >> well, this is caught my eye. this is something i've known about for a long time and it always infuriates me . quite a always infuriates me. quite a few supermarkets are faking farm names , so people buy something names, so people buy something thinking that the meat has come from this ashfield's farm. so i think that's wonderful. or boswell farm, etc. etc. and these people are completely fictitious. bay fishmongers do not exist, etc. tesco and lidl are doing this and i think they should be more honest with danny kelly with with 20 shoppers and not invent these fake names. >> 20s christine i'm right, woman is fine. >> £400 for putting cardboard in a bin in brighton. she put cardboard in the bin instead of the recycling. >> oh goodness sake. >> oh for goodness sake. >> oh for goodness sake. >> you have the cardboard >> and you have the cardboard police filming police finding her and filming her and in bristol areas of bristol you need 13 recycle receptacles . receptacles. >> no, 13 i don't listen well on today's show. >> just be quiet. christine on today's show i've been asking, should sir tony blair be stripped of his knighthood? according to twitter poll, according to a twitter poll, 90.8% of you say yes, 9.2% of

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craft carriers can't be sent to the middle east because of a personnel shortage. raf jets made a round trip of more than 3000 miles from cyprus on thursday to take part in a series of strikes on houthi positions yemen. positions in yemen. foreign secretary lord cameron has warned the uk may intervene again if attacks on ships in the red sea continue. there have been reports that a recruitment crisis is preventing the navy sending aircraft carriers to the region, but defence minister james cartlidge says that's not the case. >> there is no truth whatsoever in the suggestion that we cannot deploy the carrier . i'm in the suggestion that we cannot deploy the carrier. i'm pleased to confirm both our carriers are in portsmouth. they are at readiness and they are available to be deployed if needed. if the operational decision is that thatis operational decision is that that is the appropriate response i >> meanwhile, the government is facing calls for a retrospective

vote on strikes against the