october 7th massacre in israel. suella braverman was among a crowd of thousands in london's trafalgar square calling for the release of hostages still being held by the hamas terror group. many people held posters showing those missing. those who are still missing. others were seen waving persian flags lion in flags with a son and a lion in the centre, representing opposition iranian opposition to the iranian government. migrants government. five migrants are now died trying to now known to have died trying to cross the english channel overnight. officials say overnight. french officials say up people got into up to 70 people got into difficulty board difficulty while trying to board a darkness off a beach a boat in darkness off a beach just of boulogne. the just north of boulogne. the incident happened near wimereux at a.m, triggering at around 2 am, triggering a major emergency response . a major emergency response. a further two migrant boats arrived in uk waters this morning, with at least 100 people taken to dover for. police investigating a plot to disrupt the london stock exchange have now arrested six people. it's alleged that activists from the palestine action group were intending to target the london stock exchange tomorrow morning in the early hours of this morning, officers arrested a 31 year old man in

liverpool on suspicion of conspiracy to cause criminal damage. a further five people, all believed to be part of the same plot, have also been arrested . now snow and ice arrested. now snow and ice warnings have been extended across the uk as the country faces an arctic blast. the new warnings cover the whole of scotland , as well as parts of scotland, as well as parts of wales and england, including newcastle and manchester, for up to centimetres of snow is to ten centimetres of snow is expected the north of expected in the north of scotland and it'll be a scotland today, and it'll be a similar scene in northern ireland freezing ireland tomorrow. the freezing temperatures are forecast to move further south over the course of next week. roads and railways are likely to be disrupted and finally, denmark now has a king . with frederik now has a king. with frederik the 10th taking the throne. he succeeds his mother, queen margrethe who formally abdicated after 52 years as monarch. the king, his australian born wife mary, who is now queen, and their children waved to huge crowds from the balcony of christiansborg palace . king christiansborg palace. king charles and queen camilla have sent their best wishes . those

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to be speaking to the author of a report condemns the a report which condemns the current police policy on strip searching as, quote, state sanctioned and sanctioned sexual assault and we're to be hearing about we're going to be hearing about the rachel mead , a the case of rachel mead, a social who vindicated social worker who was vindicated by employment this by an employment tribunal this week from week after being suspended from work her gender critical work due to her gender critical beliefs and it is the home office a hotbed of chaos, dysfunction and wokery. we're going to be to going to be speaking to a journalist who spoke to a series of department insiders and the author and philosopher peter bogosian be here to discuss bogosian will be here to discuss the controversy over the resignation president resignation of harvard president claudine gay and, of course, myself and my fantastic panel will be answering questions from this rather delightful studio audience. my guests are cressida wetton and josh howie . vera wetton and josh howie. vera baird. hello you're looking very spruce. >> josh , what is it.7 >> josh, what is it.7 >> josh, what is it.7 >> i've. i've dyed my beard. >> i've. i've dyed my beard. >> that's what it is. i knew there was something going on because i've got an audition for a 18 year old. >> ah, yeah. yeah no. it's working. thank you. >> it's working. and very gangsterish the kind of.

>> it's working. and very garwell, sh the kind of. >> it's working. and very garwell, this1e kind of. >> it's working. and very garwell, this is kind of. >> it's working. and very garwell, this is because i. >> well, this is because i. i was hosting over christmas. yeah. and, uh, so i bought this suit make it tax suit and to make it tax deductible got wear it deductible, i've got to wear it two times. all right. two more times. all right. >> okay. well, if anyone from hmrc is watching the show, they >> okay. well, if anyone from hminow watching the show, they >> okay. well, if anyone from hminow see :hing the show, they >> okay. well, if anyone from hminow see that the show, they >> okay. well, if anyone from hminow see that all; show, they >> okay. well, if anyone from hminow see that all is how, they >> okay. well, if anyone from hminow see that all is well. they can now see that all is well. and what about you, chris? i've had a good week. >> i haven't been dyeing my hair even >> i haven't been dyeing my hair ever. no. um. dyed my ever. no. um. have i dyed my hair week? hair this week? >> no, not this week. >> no, not this week. >> that's why it's so grey. it's not a competition. >> anyway. i've had a good. i've beenin >> anyway. i've had a good. i've been in america. very nice. >> anyway. i've had a good. i've beera n america. very nice. >> anyway. i've had a good. i've beera manateea. very nice. >> anyway. i've had a good. i've beera manatee in/ery nice. >> anyway. i've had a good. i've beera manatee in the nice. >> anyway. i've had a good. i've beera manatee in the flesh. i saw a manatee in the flesh. i don't know if you've seen these beasts, they're quite beasts, but they're quite incredible. just of incredible. they're just sort of float they're just float around. they're just big lumps. don't very comfortable. >> they don't. they look very body positive. >> very body positive >> they're very body positive beasts some beasts anyway, so let's get some questions. got this questions. we've got this fantastic will be a fantastic audience. it will be a shame see them go to waste. shame to see them go to waste. and there's lots happening this week world the culture week in the world of the culture wars. we're going to start wars. so we're going to start with question vanessa. with a question from vanessa. vanessa hello. is this a slur? >> this is a question >> so this is a question i've actually had discussions with many, about this many, many people about this uh, cis or cis gender. >> this is time that trans >> this is a time that trans activists about people activists use about people who do not identify trans. uh,

do not identify as trans. uh, vanessa, you think it's a vanessa, do you think it's a slur interest of slur just out of interest of course it is. >> andrew. we don't need we're not a subset of our own sex class. >> are we? >> are we? >> so we don't need cis women. >> so we don't need cis women. >> no we don't. we we all know that, uh, humans can't change sex, i think. and uh, isn't that funny that that's a controversial thing to say? >> well, there was actually a bit of an audible glee. >> funnily enough, andrew, i'm a social worker as well. so this is particularly topical for me. >> of course, used to be so used to be a social worker. >> very important because, you know, certainly the way it's used lot the time and when used a lot of the time and when it's been used me and it's been used against me and the i see it used against the way i see it used against women online very much a kind women online is very much a kind of, uh, it's aggressive, isn't it? >> there's a there's a toxic city to it. now, kristin, have you ever had an activist go on, go at you online and you cis? >> i haven't, but you know what has happened? i was at a comedy gig once, and the comedian asked for scary situation, and for a scary situation, and somebody audience put somebody in the audience put their and said, having their hand up and said, having to to white man. and

to speak to a cis white man. and that was just acceptable. you know? really? yeah, yeah, yeah. >> become acceptable >> when did it become acceptable just throw people's race just to throw in people's race or 2022? or edinburgh 2022? >> apparently, yes . >> apparently, yes. >> apparently, yes. >> so suppose i should explain >> so i suppose i should explain for people don't know, >> so i suppose i should explain for peop actually on't know, >> so i suppose i should explain for peop actually some now, >> so i suppose i should explain for peop actually some people because actually some people still know what terme still don't know what this terme is. so immersed in this is. i'm so immersed in this culture that i know what it means, lot of people means, and a lot of people don't. in other words, cis don't. so in other words, cis gender or cis is a word that activists and actual activists use. and the actual definition is when you're, uh, set biological sex, uh, set your biological sex, uh, does of does not match your sense of gender so josh, gender identity. so josh, i would argue that the word is incoherent in all cases, even if activists are using it because most people don't have a gender identity. most people don't believe in gender identity . so believe in a gender identity. so if saying, well, your if you're saying, well, your gender doesn't match gender identity doesn't match your therefore your biological sex, therefore i can actually can call you cis. that actually doesn't sense, even on its doesn't make sense, even on its own terms. >> totally. but it makes sense in his norm in the sense of his norm macdonald, uh, one of the macdonald, who, uh, one of the best comics ever, who died a few years and called it out years ago and he called it out even then. so really and even before then. so really and he said, it's a way of, uh, marking, analysing normal marking, analysing a normal person that's what

person. right. and that's what it it is. and it's a it that's what it is. and it's a way of people spreading their ideology. i've never had ideology. so i've never had someone trans me cis , but someone trans call me cis, but i've been called cis by a bunch of other cis people trying to stamp their religion onto me. oh, you're a cis person. and that's what they're trying to do. >> it is one of those markers of a religious belief, basically, isn't it? and it's funny how a lot of people just use it and they've taken it from these activists and they think it's acceptable to use. think acceptable to use. i don't think it elon musk, i mean, it is. and elon musk, i mean, this story, vanessa has asked the question elon musk the question because elon musk has said twitter, and there's has said on twitter, and there's the cis is a slur, but has said on twitter, and there's the specificallyis is a slur, but has said on twitter, and there's the specifically said a slur, but has said on twitter, and there's the specifically said it's ur, but he specifically said it's a heterophobic slur. and i don't think that's right. i think it's a a slur, but i don't think a it's a slur, but i don't think it's got anything to with it's got anything to do with sexual orientation. actually so i kind of got i think he's kind of got the definition wrong, on definition wrong, but he's on the right if you know the right track, if you know what i mean. yeah, because you can subscribe. >> heteronormative >> you can be heteronormative person to person and still subscribe to the idea which, by the way, i don't think makes because don't think makes sense because if, if you believe that if, if you if you believe that trans women in the trans women are women, in the end, debate. you wouldn't

trans women are women, in the end, another:e. you wouldn't trans women are women, in the end, another word,| wouldn't trans women are women, in the end, another word, wouldin't trans women are women, in the end, another word, would you? need another word, would you? i've understood yeah i've never understood that. yeah >> it's i think it's >> it's well, it's i think it's what vanessa was that, what vanessa was saying that, you it's creating a subset you know, it's creating a subset of there's, there's trans of like, there's, there's trans women women that's the women and cis women that's the division that activists would like and like you to believe. and actually, women and actually, there's just women and people who identify as women who aren't think aren't women. yeah, i think that's fair enough, isn't it? >> but no other group would demand that everybody else defines themselves . by what? by defines themselves. by what? by not being in that group? no. does that make sense? so i'm jewish, but i would never expect you to go around you call you to go around saying you call me gentile. me a gentile. >> the other day. and in that case, behind closed doors , it's case, behind closed doors, it's a different thing. yeah. no that's right. that's although it is because is interesting because i remember back in remember a gay activist back in the day , uh, i i must have the day, uh, i mean, i must have beenin the day, uh, i mean, i must have been in my early 20s and i read this gay activists essay, and he was referring to straight people as gay or. yeah now, now as non gay or. yeah now, now that's never going to catch on, is it? >> i don't mind me calling me non—trans . non—trans. >> okay. >> okay. >> non—trans non gay and you're a what you non woman. non

a what are you non woman. non non man i'm definitely a non man. >> yes yes it's very confusing actually i like this. >> non thing. >> non man thing. >> non man thing. >> yeah okay well let's move on. >> yeah okay well let's move on. >> we've got a question from catherine. catherine. hello. >> um, calvin klein >> um, is calvin klein objectifying women? >> presume you're talking >> i presume you're talking about the advert. uh, which , uh. yeah. >> yeah. well let's have a look at it. >> i think we've got the image of the advert. uh, and this was with a model called fka josh howie . howie. >> you really like that shirt? >> you really like that shirt? >> josh howie. it is a great shirt. um, so that's so the asa the advertising standards authority has banned this advert. that's the. oh, no. sorry. she's a singer, not a model . uh, sorry. she's a singer, not a model. uh, fka twigs, is that a real name, do you suppose? >> no. in the musical world, is it? no. okay >> um. is it is it a is it a nod to twiggy back in the day? >> is that. i don't know, i thought it stood. >> i thought the letters stood for something that i now can't remember. i don't know, okay. i'm out of time. >> we clearly don't know enough about um but about this singer. um but

anyway. oh, it's felicia, so that's an is that. are that's an image. is that. are they it? i suppose they right to ban it? i suppose is question um, does is the question um, does it offend you, catherine, you offend you, catherine, when you see scantily clad women? >> no. that didn't offend me. >> no. that didn't offend me. >> no. >> no. >> doesn't offend you, it >> doesn't offend you, but it has offended advertising has offended the advertising standards authority. um, i suppose should you suppose i should come to you first josh has first on this. i know josh has done modelling of that done some modelling of that kind. you are . you are a non kind. you are. you are a non man. as a non man, i am. do you think? um, actually . wait think? um, actually. wait a minute. do you remember that? what was it? where there was a policy coming from one of the universities talking about defining men defining lesbians as non men attracted other non men. and attracted to other non men. and that was actually authentic. so i as kind of joke. i made it up as a kind of joke. but then remembered actually but then i remembered actually that's life. yeah that's real life. yeah >> in there somewhere is >> this is in there somewhere is the problem real life and the problem is real life and comedy just blend. comedy just just blend. >> back to fka twigs. >> anyway, back to fka twigs. >> anyway, back to fka twigs. >> mean yes, was the >> well i mean yes, was the question they objectified question have they objectified women? obviously. that's women? yes obviously. but that's not so it's like not news is it? so it's like we've just finally hit a boundary where they've decided, i was something i think the rule was something like advert focuses more on like the advert focuses more on her it does on the her body than it does on the clothes. i fair enough, clothes. i mean, fair enough, but fascinating to me that

but it's fascinating to me that they a line said, they found a line and said, no, that's as we'll go, that's as far as we'll go, because go and look at because if you go and look at any adverts of women in underwear, they're quite revealing. >> you revealing. » you >> well, you wouldn't go, you wouldn't the shirt in that wouldn't wear the shirt in that way. to fair. no i wouldn't, way. to be fair. no i wouldn't, so bad bad advice. so it's a bad it's bad advice. just, just, just in terms of fashion. >> but have they seen the weather. yeah, exactly. >> to catch her >> she's going to catch her death. that's know, i feel death. that's i you know, i feel very sorry now, josh, the thing about that is i think about calvin adverts think calvin klein adverts and i think they objectify people. don't they all objectify people. don't they? i mean, ones they? i mean, i mean, the ones for men are not exactly, uh, you know, modest. it's not like they're full kimonos they're dressed in full kimonos or something. >> few calvin klein >> i've done a few calvin klein ads. i know, i know, and i'd wish wouldn't, but what? wish you wouldn't, but no. what? it is ridiculous. but you also have to look at the product that's if that's being advertised. so if you're underwear, you're advertising underwear, you're advertising underwear, you the underwear. you have to see the underwear. she's not advertising underwear. she's not advertising underwear. she's a shirt. and she's advertising a shirt. and so i becomes about so i guess it becomes about percentage of flesh. now technically, about technically, if it was about percentage of flesh, you can reveal i'm actually with being bald, more than bald, revealing more than cressida at the moment. are um, are you being sexually objectified or do you feel that

way? >> yes. very much so. >> and i'm fine with that. i've got over it now. but, uh, so used to it, i'm so used to it, but but there is something. there's a weird flip of, uh , of there's a weird flip of, uh, of the sort of feminine, um, uh, sort of unintended consequences, that rule that they're basing it on in terms of being a sexual object was brought in by feminists. yes. to stop the sexual objectification unnecessarily of women . yes. unnecessarily of women. yes. right. and now she's now saying, but wait a minute, you're taking away something from me so that this is my narrative. that's how i want to represent myself. yes. so it's a weird flippage now where that rule has been used to stop a woman. >> so. so wait, let me just clarify. so fka twigs is very happy with this poster. she loves it. and she she's very proud of it. >> she's blown it up in her bedroom and everything. right. >> that's such an old weak argument, isn't it? women with a small or women in general. small w or women in general. obviously personally obviously she's personally benefiting. doesn't benefiting. that doesn't mean it's teenage girls. >> do you think it's bad for

teenage girls to see that thing? and i would ask as well, do you think it's bad for teenage boys to know, back in the to see, you know, back in the day, think mark did day, i think marky mark did a calvin klein and it full on six pack, very tight briefs. >> it's probably the >> it's probably bad for the average boy to average straight teenage boy to see then they see that, because then they think are made this think women are made of this kind unbelievable goddess kind of unbelievable goddess ness. look like that. >> but, but, but wait a minute. >> but, but, but wait a minute. >> when you walk around florence, for instance, you see the naked the statues of naked individuals. no one looks individuals. yes no one looks like no one looks like that either. no one looks as michelangelo's as good as michelangelo's david or the venus. >> that's true. >> no. that's true. >> no. that's true. >> well, another thing they objected advert was objected to in this advert was her facial expression, which i thought was interesting because, her facial expression, which i timean, was interesting because, her facial expression, which i timean, was ioferesting because, her facial expression, which i timean, was iofereswouldecause, her facial expression, which i timean, was iofereswould wante, her facial expression, which i timean, was iofereswould want to i mean, none of us would want to victim obviously, but victim blame, obviously, but they're implying that the way a woman presents herself might have relationship have some some relationship with the perceive her. the way people perceive her. right. quite right. which is generally quite out isn't it? okay. out of fashion, isn't it? okay. >> this is very complicated. >> they should some calvin >> they should put some calvin klein's of michelangelo's klein's on top of michelangelo's david. how sexy david. oh yeah. and see how sexy that is. >> right. that is. >> okay. great idea. let's see if do they won't. if they do that. they won't. okay, move on now. okay, let's move on now. although say that the although you say that the vatican did put a fig leaf on

michelangelo's david a little over years ago. so, you over 100 years ago. so, you know, it's already been done. everything about tonight everything we joke about tonight will that's will actually be true. that's the thing. okay, we're going to move to where's alan? move on to alan. where's alan? >> evening . uh, my question is, >> evening. uh, my question is, was the us and the uk correct in bombing houthi rebels ? bombing the houthi rebels? >> course, they've >> and of course, they've launched attack on houthi launched this attack on houthi targets uh, targets in yemen. uh, without a parliamentary debate. had to be done very, very quickly. alan, done very, very quickly. alan, do any thoughts about this? >> yeah, think were >> yeah, i think they were correct i would have correct to do so. i would have beenin correct to do so. i would have been in the plane pressing the button, given the chance and the problems terrorism all around problems of terrorism all around the yes. have show problems of terrorism all around tistrong yes. have show problems of terrorism all around tistrong hand. have show problems of terrorism all around tistrong hand wheniave show problems of terrorism all around tistrong hand when it's show problems of terrorism all around tistrong hand when it's when)w a strong hand when it's when it's needed. >> particularly it >> and particularly when it comes of ships comes to the blockage of ships in the, in the, in the gulf. i presume this is your in the, the suez canal. >> uh, it's just their actions and the fact that they can . and the fact that they can. change the world the way the world operates. yes you know, i think people's lives are far more important than, uh, if you can get oil or products can get your oil or products through the canal. yes you know, an extra a week or two on the

shipping is. >> well, they have to go all the way around the africa. >> adds to it, but it's >> yeah, it adds to it, but it's just the fact that terrorism seems to be raising its head more and more. i think we more and more. and i think we need actually, know, need to actually, you know, address and address it address it. and address it quickly. i suppose we're we're talking appeasement, talking here about appeasement, aren't this seems to be the case >> and this seems to be the case when we're talking about various terror organisations. and i don't we should in any don't think we should be in any doubt this. i mean, the doubt about this. i mean, the houthi the phrase houthi flag has the phrase cursed jews written on cursed the jews written on it death worst. death the worst. >> to america. america >> death to america. america death israel now. death to israel now. >> and the thing about this is a shia militia group, something >> and the thing about this is a shia20,000 group, something >> and the thing about this is a shia20,000 strong. ;omething >> and the thing about this is a shia20,000 strong. ;ometyou| like 20,000 strong. who you know, are doing no favours know, who are doing no favours within yemen either. let's not forget. >> no, no, i mean, they've got, you know, child soldiers , um, you know, child soldiers, um, they are a bad group of rebels. and they attacked british and american warships. so why do you have to have a am i seeing a placard on pro—palestine marches being very advocating the houthi rebels because these are the stupidest people in the world. >> well, that's a very. >> well, that's a very. >> yeah, like they haven't thought it through. >> yeah, well, you're hearing

these yemen these chants from the yemen to what? know, they what? you know, they love a little chant those palestinian. >> but do they know anything about >> but do they know anything abo but all they know is that >> but all they know is that they want to kill jews, so they must be the good guys. i mean, this literally what this is that is literally what it comes down to. >> mean, it is shocking. it's >> i mean, it is shocking. it's interesting because the houthis, i a proscribed i believe, are not a proscribed terror organisation and therefore is legal to therefore it is legal to, to glorify, the sign so glorify, to have the sign so they do this, i suppose, in they can do this, i suppose, in a they have to a bit a way that they have to be a bit more cautious when they talk about hamas, which i about supporting hamas, which i know but they, know some do, but but they, they're, know not openly they're, they know not to openly support they're, they know not to openly supthey've got a very good with >> they've got a very good with their code words and their little tricks. yes, exactly. you their code words and their little from . yes, exactly. you their code words and their little from the s, exactly. you their code words and their little from the river. :tly. you their code words and their little from the river. but you their code words and their little from the river. but but but know from the river. but but but at same time they're at the same time they're incredibly obvious as well. >> yeah. what do you think, chris? >> i mean, mean, it's a no >> i mean, i mean, it's a no brainer, right? >> these are, these are is >> these are, these are this is a terrorist are very a terrorist group who are very dangerous. and you know, well or like appease them. like you say, appease them. >> happens. yeah. let's >> see what happens. yeah. let's let's go with that six let's go with that for six months if it gets months and see if it gets better. maybe they'll just start being nice. i don't know, but no one ever suggested let's appease

isis. one ever suggested let's appease isiei mean, for some reason, why? >> i mean, for some reason, why? i see the i mean, i don't see the difference really. >> nobody suggested >> i agree, nobody suggested appeasing i feel like appeasing isis, but i feel like the who are in the people who are who are in favour this, it just haven't favour of this, it just haven't thought it through. >> like very anything. >> it's like it's very anything. it's very reminiscent of the tiktok trend. >> you remember a couple of >> do you remember a couple of months of young months ago where a lot of young people just discovered people were they just discovered the osama bin laden that the osama bin laden letter that was published the guardian? was published in the guardian? um, this is a well—known um, because this is a well—known guardian it guardian writer, um, and, um, it was on his cv. so, you know, um, and started saying, oh, and they started saying, oh, you've got to read letter. you've got to read this letter. he along. you he was right all along. and you think, what? think, what is going what? i don't understand what's happening at that point. you know, because they're know, they because they they're contrary to the west. >> are talking murder >> we are talking about murder dress who want to dress jihadists who want to destroy we live destroy the culture that we live in. crazy. today was 100 in. it's crazy. today was 100 years since october, 100 100 days 7th, uh days since october 7th, when, uh , the genocide in southern israel , uh, , the genocide in southern israel, uh, by hamas. , the genocide in southern israel, uh, by hamas . and there israel, uh, by hamas. and there was a sort of vigil today a solidarity stand with israel. yes. and uh, it was like totally different to the images that came out yesterday on the

marches. someone there calling like on the microphone yesterday calling for normalise, massacre, normalise massacres. the one day we finished on the you know, the uk, the national anthem because we're proud of being british and the massive discrepancy there is a massive discrepancy and it's very very sinister. >> i think what's going on and it's getting worse, isn't it, from what i can see. yeah. but anyway, we will no doubt be covering this a lot more as the weeks go on. okay. uh next question trammel. hi. question is from trammel. hi. yes, i pronounced yes, hello. have i pronounced that right? >> you pronounced it correct. perfect the question are perfect the question is, are children look children starting to look old? are children starting look are children starting to look old now? >> he's ten, by the way. >> he's ten, by the way. >> he's ten, by the way. >> he's only ten years old. um, so right now, this is an interesting story. >> i only wrote about this today. leading dermatologists. they are saying that they're worried because a lot of kids as young as ten are asking their parents for anti—aging products. this is a social media trend, right? so this is getting this is i mean, cressida , were you

is i mean, cressida, were you using is this why you look so good? you were moisturising as a baby. so kind. >> andrew. um, it's mad, isn't it? i mean, bit of sunscreen. fair enough. although, you know, when i was a kid, we used to get sunburnt and nobody really said anything. not fashionable. >> think actually >> i think that's actually important. some sunscreen. sunscreen important. some sunscreen. suryes,an important. some sunscreen. suryes, i'll give that. >> yes, i'll give you that. that's the special one. but not. is it? retinol is one of these things i think i genuinely things that i think i genuinely don't know. toddler is don't know. so a toddler is getting botox. >> i don't know about >> well, i don't know about botox, things that come in botox, but things that come in pots shouldn't on the pots that shouldn't be on the lewis a rule. lewis schaefer's got a rule. >> lovely colleague, >> our lovely colleague, he says, eat it, you says, if you can't eat it, you shouldn't put it on your skin. um, i don't know. >> i'll have to think about it. the point children, eh, no, the point is, children, eh, no, they old. they don't look old. >> could they possibly. and >> how could they possibly. and be shouldn't they be they shouldn't be. they shouldn't with shouldn't be concerned with these mean, if a ten these things. i mean, if a ten year old comes to you and says, i think i need to get some work done, that's well, mean, look, done, that's well, i mean, look, it's not a million it's actually not a million miles when i joke about miles away when i joke about botox, some 18 botox, but there are some 18 year girls who are using botox. >> younger. yeah, i don't get it. i don't i don't see it's

crazy. >> look, my daughter's seven. she's very happy she looks six. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> and she's done a lot of work and paid off though in her case. >> but they stop looking human or or the traditional standards of beauty, which have changed now. strange now. so you've got this strange generation freeze generation who sort of freeze their slightly alter it their face or slightly alter it and, and what you've now is and, and what you've got now is and, and what you've got now is a phenomenon that's also a strange phenomenon that's also included article, included in this article, which is how, millennials is about how, uh, millennials look younger than look younger now than generations . why? because generations. why? yeah. because millennials did the millennials sort of did the right stuff and have kept healthy eaten. well. well, healthy and eaten. well. well, they and they don't they don't drink and they don't drink. whereas generation drink. and whereas generation z, they're vapes they're very boring, the vapes and so you've actually and whatnot. so you've actually got a it's a very strange got it's a it's a very strange phenomenon where you've got these 18, 19, 20 year these kind of 18, 19, 20 year olds who, who could be anywhere between 40. yeah. now between 18 and 40. yeah. now it's bizarre. between 18 and 40. yeah. now it's bdorre. between 18 and 40. yeah. now it's bdo think it's a bit. and >> i do think it's a bit. and look, i'm for individual freedom. you want to freedom. if you want to do whatever your body. whatever you want to your body. i you should be able to do i think you should be able to do it. i think you should have botox botox. botox as much botox. >> i don't believe in individual freedom for children. i think that's i about to that's a terrible i was about to say president, you're say that president, you're trying me look i'm

trying to make me look like i'm supporting botox and babies in the but i'm not great. the womb, but i'm not great. >> they are very wrinkly when they're. need a bit of work. >> they need a bit of work. okay. anyway, on free okay. anyway, next on free speech nation, the women's rights the rights network. think the current strip current policy regarding strip searching by police amounts to state assault. searching by police amounts to state larkman assault. searching by police amounts to state larkman has assault. kathy larkman has written a report about she's going report about this. she's going to to discuss it. don't to be here to discuss it. don't go anywhere

sometimes these things do get mixed up . earlier on sometimes these things do get mixed up. earlier on . mixed up. earlier on. gb news welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me. >> andrew doyle, a report carried out by the women's rights network says the majority of police forces in england and wales allow trans identifying biologically male officers to strip search women . at least 34 strip search women. at least 34 out of 43 forces have either implemented the policy or intend to . this all stems from december to. this all stems from december 2021, when the national police chiefs council approved a policy paper proposing that officers be

permitted to strip and even intimately search suspects of the opposite sex if the officer self—identifies as the same gender as the person being searched. retired police superintendent kathy larkman also authored the women's rights network report entitled state sanctioned sexual assault, and she joins me now. welcome to the show . i want to ask you first show. i want to ask you first about the title state sanctioned sexual assault. people watching will think that's quite an alarming title. that's quite shocking. can you explain what you mean by that? well i don't think it is alarmist. >> i think it's a very accurate title. andrew, to describe what's happening here, because this is the first instance at the very highest level that police chiefs, the chief constables of the forces of this country , have mandated an action country, have mandated an action which isn't in fact the law. according to the legislation they're supposed to cover. so they've actually mandated the fact that, you know, people can strip search the opposite sex. >> so the law is that that

cannot take place, that a police officer cannot strip search a member of the opposite sex. >> but the mpc saying >> but the mpc are saying we should ignore the law effectively and think in terms of gender identity, not biological sex. is that right? >> yeah, that's that's absolutely right. and it's important to this isn't the important to say this isn't the first they've sneaked this first time they've sneaked this in before in in below the radar before in 2012, for prisoners in custody to selfies, identify who they wanted to search them. right. so whether they wanted a policewoman or a policeman to search them, they sneak that in the legislation in the police and criminal evidence act. but in 2021, they made in december 2021, they made a decision at the highest level to allow happen for allow that to happen for pre—arrest searching. so you could be stopped and searched on the street and you could be strip searched or given a more thorough search. the law says that should be an officer of the same sex, but they made the decision that you can self—identify from the moment you self—identify. that that officer can do it to that member officer can do it to that member of the public. >> it just seems extraordinary

because, you know, if you are a suspect, not even someone who's been arrested, but a suspect can been arrested, but a suspect can be searched. that correct? be searched. is that correct? that's right. that's that's absolutely right. >> to bear in >> and it's important to bear in mind are around about 500, mind there are around about 500, 500,000 searches carried 500,000 stop searches carried out in this country every year. a proportion of those will be strip searches only about a quarter of those will end up being arrested . you know, males being arrested. you know, males and females , children as well. and females, children as well. this affects , you know, you this affects, you know, you regardless of your age as well. and a strip search, um, is you know, it's extremely humiliating and degrading. you know, i've carried out strip searches. i have supervised strip searches. they can easily go very , very they can easily go very, very wrong. and you have to bear in mind the dignity of the person. the law says it must be an officer of the same sex. yes. so as well as the person being searched, just think of the policewomen, you know, and policemen as well. obviously policemen as well. but obviously i'm about i'm particularly speaking about policewomen are policewomen who are there are tens of them in tens of thousands of them in this country who have had no voice in this decision. >> that's fascinating . i mean, >> that's fascinating. i mean,

you're a retired superintendent, so working with so when you were working with the would this had the police force, would this had this at that point, this come in at that point, would it you would would would it would you would it your mind it ever have crossed your mind that this is something that the police could do? >> i suspect, and know from >> i suspect, and i know from the we speak the policewomen that we speak to and the police officers we speak to, that they are not fully formed, informed formed, fully informed in relation you know, relation to this. you know, police have sort police chiefs really have sort of this in them. they of sneak this in on them. they certainly haven't consulted of sneak this in on them. they certairyes,aven't consulted of sneak this in on them. they certairyes, iten't consulted of sneak this in on them. they certairyes, it seems1sulted of sneak this in on them. they certairyes, it seems to lted of sneak this in on them. they certairyes, it seems to bed of sneak this in on them. they certairyes, it seems to be a them. yes, it seems to be a broader problem. >> the but also the >> the npcc, but also the college policing seems to be college of policing seems to be sneaking kind of ideas . sneaking in these kind of ideas. people going to be surprised people are going to be surprised though, because surely bodies such the police chiefs and such as the police chiefs and the people who train the police, the people who train the police, the college of policing, they should know the law , shouldn't they? >> they absolutely should know the should be the law, and they should be complying well with their own complying as well with their own internal ethical code. they're totally to do that. you totally failing to do that. you know, they're here to serve the pubuc know, they're here to serve the public and police with consent. these really, really these are really, really important principles for policing in this country. they're failing to do that. and if you read the policy is the policy that was approved by the

national police chiefs council. it's entirely saturated with gender ideology, phrases that have no place in the law of this country. self—id is not the law in the uk and it's interesting. >> the mpc has removed the guidance from their website. what does that signify? >> well, i think it signifies as they're rattled because you know, lots and lots of women particularly, but men too have, you know, raised an almighty storm in relation to this. and obviously the women's rights network report has landed very, very hard within two days. that was raised in a home affairs select committee hearing on with the policing minister and received, you know, a lot of attention as a result. um, so i think they are rattled, but we shouldn't take too much comfort from that. you know , there from that. you know, there shouldn't be a celebration. there shouldn't be a party that they've somehow removed this. they've they they've stated they are reviewing guidance, but but reviewing that guidance, but but the forces that have implemented it have already changed all their policies . so until such their policies. so until such time as they pull their policies

and they stick the law of the and they stick to the law of the land, the situation still land, then the situation still remains. >> it does. >> it does. >> it does strike me that, you know, say, we'll revise know, they'll say, we'll revise our they've done our policy, but they've done this other issues. this before with other issues. there perception the there is a perception that the police wales have police in england and wales have a very partisan view when it comes gender comes to debates around gender identity, ideology, in identity, ideology, and in particular have even been accused and accused of targeting and harassing gender harassing women with gender critical beliefs. so this is am i right in saying this is really deeply embedded in the police service? >> well, it the roots are very, very deeply embedded. and we know frustrations police know the frustrations of police officers staff who officers and police staff who are telling the women's rights network directly their network directly of their frustrations and their fear as well of speaking out, um, in relation to this as well. you know, they're exasperated with the way the policing is going and how the response been to and how was the response been to your ? response has your report? the response has been excellent . you know, that been excellent. you know, that report wouldn't have been possible numerous women possible without numerous women at a grassroots level making that happen via letters , emails that happen via letters, emails and freedom of information act requests, you know, and they have made that pop. they've made

that possible. it should not be down to individual women to make our police forces change and listen and comply with the law of the land. but yet here we are. yes >> so if it wasn't for these people just asking questions again and again and pushing back, the police would be perfectly happy just perfectly happy to just push this through. no would ever know. >> in other words, no. and exactly >> in other words, no. and eanou know, this been going >> you know, this has been going on, as i said, for, you know, after arrest for people in custody to self—identify since 2012. been 2012. and that's been highlighted previous reports . highlighted in previous reports. yes. but since december 2021, there was a significant recent expansion. so not only for, um , expansion. so not only for, um, prisoners to self—identify by, but, you know, obviously , people but, you know, obviously, people pnor but, you know, obviously, people prior to arrest to self—identify and for police officers to self—identify as well. and another thing, andrew from this is the stated intentions of this policy is to attract more individuals to the police service who identify as the opposite sex. i just say for a

moment, just to reflect on that for a second. you know, this is actually being waved as a carrot. the opportunity to strip women naked and search them, you know, as a, you know, an enticement to employment, employment in the police service . that say? . what does that say? >> very interesting , >> that's very interesting, because people say, oh , because a lot of people say, oh, well, people are concerned about single—sex they're single—sex spaces. they're always trans people always suggesting trans people are course, are predators. but of course, what you're suggesting there is this loophole people what you're suggesting there is this are loophole people what you're suggesting there is this are predatory,ole people what you're suggesting there is this are predatory, not people what you're suggesting there is this are predatory, not that ople who are predatory, not that trans people are inherently predatory , that will predatory, but that people will exploit predatory people exploit any predatory people will that will exploit loopholes that are available . available. >> this shouldn't be rocket science the police. science to the police. you know, we when said still we deal. when i said i still say we deal. when i said i still say we deal. when i said i still say we deal with safeguarding all the time . you know, it should be the time. you know, it should be the time. you know, it should be the very first concern for both the very first concern for both the police and other organisations as well. and yet on this occasion , it clearly isn't. >> well, you're from the women's rights network. can people look at that online? is there a website or something? >> yes, have a website >> yes, we have a website that the is available on there the report is available on there as well. and i'd ask everybody, you know, if you have you know, if you can have conversations with your, you

know, chief, know, your local police chief, your know, please so your mp, you know, please do so it's fantastic. >> cathy larkman, much >> cathy larkman, thanks so much for joining me. >> cathy larkman, thanks so much for joining me . and next on free forjoining me. and next on free speech nation, we're going to be discussing the case of rachel mead, a social worker who is completely vindicated this week by an employment tribunal after being suspended from work due to her gender critical beliefs . her gender critical beliefs. don't go anywhere

transparency of the system itself doesn't change. earlier on, gb news radio . on, gb news radio. >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. now . social worker rachel mead now. social worker rachel mead this week won her case that westminster city council and social work england discriminated against her when she was suspended for sharing a gender critical views . this is a gender critical views. this is a real landmark case, and i'm going to be discussing this today with two guests. i'm

joined from glasgow by michael foreign, a lecturer in public law at the university of glasgow, and here in the studio by the family barrister by the family law barrister sarah phillimore. i'm going to come to you first. michael, can you give us some background to this case and why it is so significant? >> so rachel mead is a social worker. she'd been working with westminster city council and been regulated by social work england for 20 years. she had a private facebook account that had about 40 people as friends on it. so only those 40 people could have access to the posts that she made. and over the course of a year, when the uk government was soliciting , um, government was soliciting, um, uh, feedback from people about potential reforms to the law on gender recognition, she posted a few posts , including posts, um, few posts, including posts, um, call ing for, uh , reform to the call ing for, uh, reform to the law in relation to the men who identify as women in, in, uh, prisons or .

identify as women in, in, uh, prisons or. particular identify as women in, in, uh, prisons or . particular posts identify as women in, in, uh, prisons or. particular posts in relation to males and female sports. she had a member of her, uh, facebook group, uh , identify uh, facebook group, uh, identify these things as extremely offensive and made a complaint to social work england . to social work england. >> so social work one complaint was all it took for her to be suspended and investigated. uh and at least now acquitted . can and at least now acquitted. can you just fill us in, michael ? you just fill us in, michael? where does the law stand on this? is she not entitled to post her private opinion about the need for single—sex spaces on private page ? on her private facebook page? >> oh, more than that. i mean, she's entitled to voice these opinions publicly. she's entitled to voice these opinions in her place of employment. so long as it doesn't constitute , long as it doesn't constitute, um, a breach of the employment law that she'd be subject to. i mean , what happened here was mean, what happened here was this was who was voicing this was a woman who was voicing a political view on one side of a political view on one side of a political view on one side of a political debate who was subject to, um, an egregious example of harassment. i mean, it's really shocking. i think

that this case even got to where it got i mean, a potted plant would have won this case. um, this was an open and shut example of harassment . um, so, example of harassment. um, so, yeah, it's not just that she , yeah, it's not just that she, she, um, can voiced these views privately. she she's perfectly entitled to under her human rights to voice them publicly as well. >> well, i'm going to bring sarah phillimore in on this because i'm struck by this. i spoke young from the spoke to toby young from the free union recently. they free speech union recently. they are many cases like are taking on so many cases like this critical this when gender critical individuals post something and then they're harassed by their employer. i know that, um, the free speech union helped the fundraiser for rachel early on. so why are more and more people having to do this? why are employers not realising that there's laws against this kind of thing? >> it's very curious . it shows >> it's very curious. it shows that i was naive about lawfare . that i was naive about lawfare. i thought that all we needed was a few big we'd stop a few big wins and we'd stop this tracks . we had those this in its tracks. we had those big wins with my four starter and harry miller both in 2021, but i for starters, case, we should say that established in

law that to say that there are two sexes and that you cannot change protected change sex that is a protected belief. it's worthy respect change sex that is a protected beazf. it's worthy respect change sex that is a protected bea democraticly respect change sex that is a protected bea democratic society;pect change sex that is a protected bea democratic society .»ect change sex that is a protected bea democratic society . so that in a democratic society. so that overturned the first instance decision, said it wasn't. decision, which said it wasn't. so i thought, hurrah i in my so i thought, hurrah! in my naivete, we've done it. we can all back to business. we can all get back to business. we can get focusing time get back to focusing on our time and on important and energy, on really important things. was utterly naive things. and i was utterly naive because happened because what has happened is, i suspect that with the input from lawyers who are guided more by ideology than understanding of the law, employers organisation are simply ignoring those cases . are simply ignoring those cases. i represented rachel in the fitness to practice tribunal hearing. i was shown a statement of case from social work england dated july 2022 that said a gender recognition certificate changes a person's sex as a matter of biology . now, changes a person's sex as a matter of biology. now, i changes a person's sex as a matter of biology . now, i asked matter of biology. now, i asked the tribunal to make it very clear that this was wrong and not only was it wrong, the employment appeal tribunal in forstater had set out in a number of paragraphs why that was wrong. a grc creates a legal

sex, nothing more , and that sex, nothing more, and that legal sex can be disapplied when it's for a legitimate and proportionate aim. so it was quite clear that social work england and those advising them had not bothered to read the key judgement , had not bothered to read the key judgement, and, having embarrassed themselves and withdrawn from opposing a sanction on rachel . then social sanction on rachel. then social work england and westminster continued in the employment tribunal, and we've seen the outcome of that . outcome of that. >> that's so interesting. >> that's so interesting. >> michael, can i ask you about that? i think what that? because i think what sarah's this that? because i think what saraithat this that? because i think what saraithat there this that? because i think what saraithat there are this that? because i think what saraithat there are activist|is idea that there are activist lawyers attempting to misrepresent the law. have you found this ? found this? >> yeah. i mean, i think this is it's a very strange , um, area of it's a very strange, um, area of law because it's very rare that you would have a barristers or solicitors or people who work in this field. um be willing to misrepresent, represent the law like this. but the only explanation is that these people are either incompetent or they're misrepresenting the law. and i think, you know, what what we're seeing here is, um, a

real, i think, culture war that's happening, um, that's resulting in, um, particular activist , um, lawyers . and i activist, um, lawyers. and i don't normally like the phrase activist lawyers, but in this context, i think that's the only way that you can describe how some people are behaving here, because, , um, sarah because, yeah, as as, um, sarah says, i mean, this case, um, shows that the, um , the lawyers shows that the, um, the lawyers here just didn't either didn't understand what it, the ruling force said or were purposely trying to, um, get an employment tribunal to overturn or ignore a decision of the employment appeal tribunal, which they . appeal tribunal, which they. >> and that's incredibly worrying. but michael, surely i mean, i often think of lawyers constantly are arguing about the meaning of the law, how the law ought to be interpreted. so what's different about this exactly? >> well, i think in this context , i mean, there are circumstances where there are reasonable points of disagreement throughout all of the here. but for example, the law here. but for example, the law here. but for example, the claim that the forstater decision only protects belief but doesn't protect your ability

to manifest your belief, but doesn't protect your ability to manifest your belief , to to manifest your belief, to speak about your belief, to voice your belief that is just flatly incorrect in law . and no flatly incorrect in law. and no lawyer who knows anything about religion or belief discrimination would ever make that kind of claim. but we would say is that there are certain circumstances when manifestation is not protected . but what is not protected. but what happenedin is not protected. but what happened in this case was that the tribunal was abundantly clear that that does not apply to merely voicing the views that rachel voiced, or to expressing in, um, support for the causes that she supported. and in fact, we had, i think, a really important ruling from this tribunal that said, um , social tribunal that said, um, social work england and westminster city council describing her voicing of those views as transphobic itself, constituted harassment. so it was an act of harassment. so it was an act of harassment meant to describe what she said as transphobic, because the law is quite clear that she's perfectly within her rights to express those views . rights to express those views. and those views are not transphobic according to the law. so sarah, just finally then

i mean, it's perfectly clear that the judgement in this case has even gone so far as michael says, to say that this was a form of harassment . form of harassment. >> this should put an >> so surely this should put an end h? end to it now, shouldn't it? this happen again. >> um, i wish i could believe that, i what was said that, but i note what was said by sarah newman, the chief executive of westminster city council. was a recent council. there was a recent article times , another article in the times, another social westminster article in the times, another soci come westminster article in the times, another soci come forward westminster article in the times, another soci come forward to iestminster article in the times, another soci come forward to sayninster article in the times, another soci come forward to say that er has come forward to say that there is a culture of fear about raising issues when they're presented children who are presented with children who are gender incongruent and, uh, miss newman said no, nothing to see here. we don't have any of these cases and do, we cases. and when we do, we investigate them thoroughly. somebody sent me somebody this morning sent me a screenshots of a blog that she'd written talking about her trans identifying , son wearing identifying steps, son wearing dresses. i think helen joyce dresses. it i think helen joyce has made this point and it's a good one. a lot of the people pushing this, i think are motivated by their love and concern for people who are near and dear to them, which is very understandable. it doesn't understandable. but it doesn't help rest of are then help the rest of us who are then subject to what are clearly

unlawful and discriminatory policies. >> surely sarah newman must >> but surely sarah newman must accept the judgement court. >> well, you say that, andrew, but social work england managed to dodge that by not even apparently judgement apparently reading the judgement in think i heard in for starter. i think i heard cathy say to you, the roots of this very deep. do. and this go very deep. they do. and i'm afraid the deep roots i'm afraid this the deep roots bnng i'm afraid this the deep roots bring with it a deliberate turning away from what the actual law is aided and abetted by a small cabal of activist lawyers who will reassure these people. of course, you're right. there's no right to manifest these disgusting beliefs. they must people's heads. must stay in people's heads. people saying that people were still saying that after forstater, and i'm afraid my money is on. they will continue to say it after mead and we will not have seen the end of cases. end of these cases. >> wow. well sarah, i have a feeling we'll have to have you back on the show because this isn't going anywhere soon. >> sarah >> michael foreign and sarah phillimore, both ever phillimore, thank you both ever so and next on free speech so much. and next on free speech nafion so much. and next on free speech nation is the home office a hotbed of chaos , dysfunction and hotbed of chaos, dysfunction and wokeness? we're going to speak to a journalist who spoke to a series department insiders in

series of department insiders in an attempt to find out. don't go anywhere .

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation . nation. >> so our government efforts to kerb migration being hampered by chaos and dysfunction in the home office, well, that's the conclusion. >> drawn by telegraph journalist stephen edginton, who spoke to a series of department insiders for investigation . and for an investigation. and stephen joins me now. welcome to the show , stephen. you've been the show, stephen. you've been talking to whistleblowers , talking to whistleblowers, department insiders. what's going on in the civil service? >> well, this article aimed to answer question , why has answer the question, why has immigration both legal and illegal migration? why has those why have those numbers sort of skyrocketed in recent years? why has been record numbers has there been record numbers coming i looked coming to britain? and i looked into home office, and i into the home office, and i think i found a fair amount of kind answers to that kind of answers to that question. the one man who has been consistent at the home

office the last years, office for the last three years, there's been five home secretaries , is the permanent secretaries, is the permanent secretary at home now secretary at the home office now he senior civil he is the most senior civil servant. matthew rycroft, servant. sir matthew rycroft, he was in 2023. he a was knighted in 2023. he is a career diplomat. he used to work for tony blair. he became an ambassador. he was a representative at the united nafions representative at the united nations was quoted on nations and he was quoted on record saying last year that he sees himself as a diplomat and temporary to be at the home office, so some people say his heart really isn't in the job. he's also the civil service, so—called race, faith and belief champion. now, it's a bizarre situation that you've got the most senior person in the home office , in the department that office, in the department that is controlling our borders, but also our police situation as well. he also spends time discussing matters around diversity, hr, transgender ism, islam, faith across the entire civil service. so he has presided over some significant failures in his department. and yet he is also focusing on these.i yet he is also focusing on these. i would describe woke issues . issues. >> is there a suggestion that the whatever government policy

might implemented , that the might be implemented, that the home office might attempt to thwart ideological reasons? >> i think there are some civil servants who definitely would want that , and i've spoken want to do that, and i've spoken to inside the to lots of people inside the department, both servants, department, both civil servants, former special advisers, current special , ministers and special advisers, ministers and people like that who say, well, yeah, of yeah, there is there is, of course, a sort of undercurrent of people. unfortunately who use so—called minister style so—called yes, minister style tactics undermine the tactics to undermine the government. however, at the same time , we can't let ministers off time, we can't let ministers off the hook. it is their responsibility to push forward policies that will cut numbers for example, on immigration and legal immigration. and unfortunately the few unfortunately for the last few years, we've had ministers and prime who have been prime ministers who have been unable and refused to take those actions that would lead to those policies. so i think that the blame in terms of to answer my original question, are original question, why? why are numbers is numbers so high? the blame is partly service, but partly on the civil service, but i most of all is on i think most of all it is on ministers and on various prime ministers that we've had in the last few years who have simply decided the situation in decided that the situation in terms numbers

terms of uncontrolled numbers is perfectly fine, because we need to help various sort of businesses with cheap labour and things like that. so they made those decisions. and, you know, i did hours hours of phone i did hours and hours of phone calls, of calls, lots and lots of investigations writing this article. i've been working on it for a while, actually, and for quite a while, actually, and i ultimate conclusion i think the ultimate conclusion i think the ultimate conclusion i was i came to in my head was actually the most, most amount of responsibility in terms of the numbers, both illegal and legal. should be held on legal. uh, should be held on ministers, not on the civil service >> yes, but if they're facing, um, a pushback from civil servants fulfilling servants who are not fulfilling their be non—partisan, their role to be non—partisan, shouldn't the government also be deaung shouldn't the government also be dealing them? shouldn't the government also be dealing shouldem? shouldn't the government also be dealing should be. and i think >> they should be. and i think that some some ministers try and deal inside deal with these things inside their the their various departments. the problem is that problem they've got is that they're fighting they're constantly fighting fires. chaos, fires. there's constant chaos, there's constant dysfunction. so you've got what you've got in a situation the home office, situation like the home office, you've got ten an or so you've got about ten an or so ministers spads, ministers and spads, their special versus 35,000 special advisers versus 35,000 civil servants. right. so how are they meant to be on top of all these civil servants and have over those have oversight over those people? it's completely impossible. every

impossible. and as i say, every day new crisis. day there's a new crisis. so it's difficult to it's very, very difficult to reform as. reform these institutions as. >> okay. >> okay. >> well, very interesting. stephen much >> well, very interesting. stejoining much >> well, very interesting. stejoining me much >> well, very interesting. stejoining me . much >> well, very interesting. stejoining me . there's much >> well, very interesting. stejoining me . there's plenty|uch forjoining me. there's plenty more to come to on free speech nafion more to come to on free speech nation tonight, including some questions from this fantastic , questions from this fantastic, uh, studio audience. we've also got the philosopher peter boghossian here talk about boghossian to here talk about claudine gay the harvard claudine gay and the harvard scandal and diversity, equity and inclusion. is it almost over 7 and inclusion. is it almost over ? see you then . ? see you then. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello there. good evening. i'm jonathan vautrey with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. we have week ahead of have a very cold week ahead of us starts with sunday us and that starts with sunday night are set to night temperatures are set to plummet quite widely as sky is clear. any cloud across england and drifting way into and wales drifting its way into the and underneath those the channel and underneath those starry skies, we will see a widespread frost developing even in our up built urban areas.

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gb news. >> there's plenty more still to come on free speech nation this week, including the author and philosopher peter boghossian on the resignation of the harvard president lois mcclatchey miller, on snp plans to criminalise parents who won't let children change gender. and, of course, more questions from our brilliant studio audience. for myself and my comedian panellists, chris de wetten and josh howie. but first, let's get a news update from tatiana sanchez.

>> andrew, thank you very much. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. the government has rejected claims that britain's aircraft carrier cannot be sent to the middle east because of a personnel shortage . raf jets personnel shortage. raf jets made a round trip of more than 3000 miles from cyprus on thursday to take part in a series of strikes on houthi positions in yemen, foreign secretary lord cameron has warned. the uk may intervene again if attacks on ships in the red sea continue . there have red sea continue. there have been reports that a recruitment crisis is preventing the navy sending aircraft carriers to the region , but defence minister region, but defence minister james cartlidge says that's not the case. >> there is no truth whatsoever in the suggestion that we cannot deploy the carrier. i'm pleased to confirm that both our carriers are in portsmouth. they are at readiness and they are available to be deployed if needed. if the operation decision is that that is the appropriate response . appropriate response. >> the former home secretary has attended a rally marking 100

days since the october seventh massacre in israel . suella massacre in israel. suella braverman was among a crowd of thousands of people in london's trafalgar square calling for the release of hostages still being held by hamas. many people held posters showing those who are still missing. others were seen waving persian flags with a sun and a lion in the centre, representing opposition to the iranian government. here, representing opposition to the iranian government . here, five iranian government. here, five migrants are now known to have died trying to cross the english channel overnight , but french channel overnight, but french officials say up to 70 people got into difficulty while trying to board a boat in darkness off a beach just north of boulogne. the incident happened near wimereux at around 2 am. this morning, triggering a major emergency response . a further emergency response. a further two migrant boats arrived in uk waters this morning, with at least 100 people taken to dover for. police investigating a plot to disrupt the london stock exchange have arrested six people. it's alleged that activists from the palestine action group were intending to

target the london stock exchange tomorrow morning . in the early tomorrow morning. in the early hours of this morning, officers arrested a 31 year old man in liverpool on suspicion of conspiracy to cause criminal damage. a further five people, all believed to have been part of the same plot, have been arrested and snow and ice warnings have been extended across the uk as the country faces an arctic blast . the new faces an arctic blast. the new warnings cover the whole of scotland, as well as parts of wales and england, including newcastle and manchester. up to ten centimetres of snow is expected in the north of scotland today, and it'll be a similar scenario in northern ireland tomorrow. the freezing temperatures are forecast to move further south over the course of next week. roads and railways are likely to be disrupted as well, and denmark now has a king with frederic the 10th taking the throne. he's succeeds his mother, queen margrethe who formally abdicated after 52 years as monarch . the after 52 years as monarch. the king, his australian born wife mary, who is now queen, and their children waved to huge

crowds from the balcony of christiansborg palace. king charles and queen camilla have sent their best wishes . those sent their best wishes. those are your top stories on gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by simply saying play gb news now it's over to free speech nation . over to free speech nation. >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. let's get some more questions from our lovely studio audience. our first question from judy. judy, . judy, hello. >> hello. much compensation >> hello. how much compensation should be paid to the victims of the post office scandal? >> right. well, this is obviously a huge story this week. judy, thank you for that question . uh, now rishi sunak is question. uh, now rishi sunak is saying emergency legislation will be used to overturn convictions of more than 900

postmasters who were falsely accused of stealing from the post office. however for some, postmasters face a further battle to obtain adequate compensation with those who are forced to pay back large sums which were never missing in the first place. having been first place. having now been offered just £75,000. despite in many cases having lost their homes, lost their livelihoods. cressida. this is an absolute mess. >> it really is, isn't it? >> it really is, isn't it? >> it really is, isn't it? >> i mean, on the one hand, rishi sunak's quite well. >> but yeah, you know, 20 >> um, but yeah, you know, 20 years um, but on the other. >> well, better late than never, right? >> right. >> right, right. >> right, right. >> grand. mean, it's >> but 75 grand. i mean, it's just drop in the ocean. just it's a drop in the ocean. >> well, the point. >> well, that's the point. >> well, that's the point. >> been ruined here, >> lives have been ruined here, and know, i just >> lives have been ruined here, and know, ijust spoke and i, you know, ijust i spoke to nick wallace about this. who'd about this, who'd written a book about this, uh, of months ago. and uh, a number of months ago. and it's great that it's finally all coming out and something's being done. but there's something about these kinds of miscarriages justice is miscarriages of justice that is just infuriating. isn't it? just so infuriating. isn't it? >> it's just >> well, and it's just unbelievable, you unbelievable, isn't it? if you just think, oh, unbelievable, isn't it? if you ju couldn't think, oh, unbelievable, isn't it? if you ju couldn't possibly. think, oh, unbelievable, isn't it? if you ju couldn't possibly. think could unbelievable, isn't it? if you ju ccthinkt possibly. think could unbelievable, isn't it? if you ju ccthink 900 sibly. think could unbelievable, isn't it? if you ju ccthink 900 people nk could unbelievable, isn't it? if you ju ccthink 900 people had ould you think 900 people had committed same crime? it committed the same crime? it didn't right. all didn't smell right. and all of this. happened. yeah.

this. but it happened. yeah. well what is it? >> just gullibility. incompetence what happened here? >> think it was >> yeah, well, i think it was actually went to the fence was greater than that because it was it it was the it wasn't just the it was the people knew this system was people knew that this system was wrong and still maintain wrong. and they still maintain that it wasn't. and they still prosecuted people. and that is . yeah. >> so what? talk me through that. >> what's what's the mindset of well, i think it just became this sort of people try and protect themselves. >> turtle up and >> they try and turtle up and they will away or they hope it will go away or hope that won't pay hope that people won't pay attention. it just escalates further further. they're further and further. they're deeper yes uh, deeper and deeper in. yes uh, you um , and now here you know, it's, um, and now here we find ourselves. but the fact it's taken so long as you say, itv drama. >> yeah, it feels like it would never have come to light if it hadnt never have come to light if it hadn't been entertainment. yeah. >> no. that's right. no, sometimes does take things sometimes it does take things like expose it. you like that to expose it. you know. incredible. okay, well, like that to expose it. you know.we're dible. okay, well, like that to expose it. you know.we're dible. to ay, well, like that to expose it. you know.we're dible. to ay, we to look, we're going to move to on a christian. a question from christian. hello. hi. >> i love the show. thanks for having you the compliment. >> uh, do we need more women to fight for us? well maybe you do. >> i don't know. uh,

>> christian. i don't know. uh, well, this is this is to do with the story about grant shapps , the story about grant shapps, the story about grant shapps, the secretary. he says the defence secretary. he says that the armed forces recruitment crisis can be solved by more women joining up. cressida are you ready for this? >> absolutely not. he should do is he should get the ten best looking women and film them saying, i really fancy soldiers and then see if the recruitment drive works out. >> now that's a that's an interesting approach . interesting approach. >> obviously, that's a very sexist way , very sexist . sexist way, very sexist. >> um, so i mean, look, do you think he's just box ticking here or have point ? is or does he have a point? is there underrepresentation? you know ? know? >> w.- t.- >> well, yes, there is, but there's underrepresented there's also underrepresented in in and in bin collecting and bricklaying. and we don't see drives to recruit that. i don't understand the logic. it feels like it's politically correct . i like it's politically correct. i don't know whether he genuinely thinks talent thinks there's a pool of talent there , but there that he can exploit, but it just it feels forced to me and i can just see it being good for five and then there for five minutes and then there being drop outs from the being lots of drop outs from the scheme. yeah. >> i mean, is it it not the >> i mean, is it is it not the case generally are case that that men generally are

drawn roles that involve drawn to roles that involve fighting more than women? >> we like say when things >> we like to say when things like that . like that. >> i mean, don't think i don't >> i mean, i don't think i don't think that's a sexist comment. >> no, no, look, i was on holiday, uh, i had like, two days away, and i video of days away, and i took a video of my boys, and they were just my four boys, and they were just beating of each other. >> and just like with, like, pillows and this and that. and then cut to my daughter, and she's like , with a little she's just like, with a little doll and stroking it. these things are. >> yeah. but she's playing psychological games with the doll. oh yeah. yeah, yeah. manipulate and sort of gossip. >> and she's the one who told them to all beat each other up. yeah exactly, exactly. >> wanted beat. yeah exactly, exactly. >> she'd:ed beat. yeah exactly, exactly. >> she'd be beat. yeah exactly, exactly. >> she'd be allowed. nobody's stopping women stopping the minority of women who yes, well, who want to do this. yes, well, i'm against a drive i'm arguing against is a drive to recruit. well. to over recruit. well. >> yeah but >> right. yeah true. but in israel, they've women in israel, they've got women in much more representative because in forces there, there are in the forces there, there are lots of roles that don't require physical strength. yeah. um, in terms of, you know, on a boat, you know, radar or whatever it is. >> but em- eam- % it were case, >> but if it were the case, as in industry, if were the

in any industry, if it were the case that there were there was some of discrimination at some kind of discrimination at play. yes. and that women weren't being recruited because someone within the echelons is saying, we don't women saying, we don't want women around, oppose around, then i would oppose that. on, that's that. i'd say, come on, that's not not what's not right. but that's not what's going is an going on. no, but there is an argument that there is a rape culture, whether it's form of culture, whether it's a form of rape on. rape culture going on. >> there in the military, the >> there in the military, in the military needs to be still military that needs to be still somewhat dealt with, possibly still have , though i can't speak still have, though i can't speak to i'm not in the military , so to i'm not in the military, so i can't speak to how those views are represented not. are still represented or not. but that's also but i think that that's also partly he's arguing against partly what he's arguing against is that that could be is this idea that that could be a barrier to women wanting interesting. >> although that kind barrier >> although that kind of barrier wouldn't in some of wouldn't exist in some of the other being other examples you give being collecting, . collecting, uh, oil rigs. >> that's true. >> that's true. >> and also, never quite >> and also, i'm never quite sure what people by rape sure what people mean by rape culture. i i don't know, culture. i mean, i don't know, lots of rape going on. well and i don't know whether that's really happening. um, are you talking about the difference between, say, um, uh, i suppose what people call banter or particularly banter particularly because banter serves a function, it's not . serves a function, it's not. just an accident, and it's not

just bad taste, it's something that happens between in that happens between men in bonding them bonding who that enables them to go to war. >> but that can be quite off putting >> but that can be quite off putyeah. and maybe that's >> yeah. and maybe that's appropriate but not. appropriate, but i'm not. clearly there's criminal clearly if there's criminal activity no activity going on. no >> yeah. >> yeah. >> bu um, i just, i think it's really, it's just, it feels very headune really, it's just, it feels very headline to me to say, oh, get the women in. they'll it the women in. they'll sort it out. well, there's a lot to >> okay, well, there's a lot to unpack don't have unpack there. we don't have time. um, but i'm sure we'll get back at some other back to this at some other point. got a question point. we've got a question from gavin evening folks. >> hi. yeah. good evening folks. um did quickly south africa drop a plug for being jewish? >> a very interesting question . >> a very interesting question. uh, gavin, this was quite a shocking story. i saw this a guy called david tiger. uh, he's part of the south africa under 19 cricket side. now josh, he'd made comments about the gaza conflict. someone complained. is that right? is that what happened ? happened? >> and they weren't like, bad comments anything, but the comments or anything, but the fact that he was jewish, uh, was enough. is south enough. and this is south africa, believe there

africa, and i believe that there is for, um, when one is a name for, um, when one ethnicity is discriminated against, it has different rules. i can't remember exactly what it is a path, a path, something. um, so , yeah, it's disgusting. um, so, yeah, it's disgusting. and you're giving into hatred and what examples does that set? >> it's disgusting . >> it's disgusting. >> it's disgusting. >> but this wasn't really covered very much. but it does strike me as incredibly shocking as you allude coming as you allude to coming from south should south africa. they should probably know better. >> look, i don't want to >> well, look, i don't want to speak, anywhere in the world speak, but anywhere in the world it's discriminatory . yeah. he it's discriminatory. yeah. he has an opinion. it's a legal opinion. not a wrong opinion. it's not a wrong opinion. it's not a wrong opinion. it's not a wrong opinion. it's opposed opinion. what? it's as opposed to hamas rapists are to saying that hamas rapists are the whatever . no, the good guys or whatever. no, he did put out some message of support for the idf who are fighting to get hostages their own back and, um, and, own citizens back and, um, and, and then he has now been pulled from that team. >> it just strikes even if >> it just strikes me, even if i think even if the opinions he were expressing were offensive in some way or objectionable, i don't think people should be punished for their views. no.

>> they were investigated, >> and they were investigated, by they found by the way, and they were found not issue here was not to be. the issue here was because of the security concerns . so you know, you do, you . so you know, what you do, you put security. yeah. put on more security. yeah. otherwise to otherwise you're backing down to people who they're punishing the individual security individual because of security concerns, as in threats against him. >> yes. him. >> yes . well, didn't we do the >> yes. well, didn't we do the same? um, you know, we had these debates came to the debates when it came to the salman rushdie fatwa and people were the security costs, saying about the security costs, saying that on himself that he brought it on himself and test. and we failed that test. >> did, and now >> then we did, and we are now seeing ramifications today. >> then we did, and we are now seeiag ramifications today. >> then we did, and we are now seeia slippery1ifications today. >> then we did, and we are now seeia slippery slope,)ns today. >> then we did, and we are now seeia slippery slope, and oday. it's a slippery slope, and that's where we're finding ourselves islamists . uh, on ourselves with islamists. uh, on ourselves with islamists. uh, on our streets, emboldened. >> yeah. people don't. and we had this with charlie hebdo as well, the magazine, well, with the magazine, the massacre hebdo. massacre at charlie hebdo. people were saying they brought it on themselves. i mean, some people saying that out people were saying that out loud. it's like there's absolutely should absolutely no way that we should be psychopaths, be siding with psychopaths, with machine be siding with psychopaths, with machiyou this approach in >> if you took this approach in domestic , it domestic violence cases, it would be outrageous, wouldn't it, look it, if you said, well, look at the she the dinner. the way she cooked the dinner. i mean, absolutely mean, you just you absolutely wouldn't get away with it. >> to be fair, you don't really know my wife's cooking, but i thought you did most of the

cooking did. right. i do cooking i did. yeah, right. i do do the cooking to not do most of the cooking to not let her cook. >> um , i think you make a very >> um, i think you make a very good point there. >> well, victim >> and, well, it's victim blaming in sort of a classic. blaming in in sort of a classic. >> only could behave our >> if only we could behave our way out of terrorism. >> talking about? >> what are you talking about? >> what are you talking about? >> . >> no. >> no. >> if we were just nicer. yeah yeah. no. >> ridiculous. kind to terrorists. >> be kind to terrorists. there we go. we're to move on. we go. we're going to move on. don't clip that bit. the way, don't clip that bit. by the way, if watching. that's not if anyone's watching. that's not what we talking about. what we were talking about. okay, going to to okay, we're going to move on to another from caroline. okay, we're going to move on to anccaroline. from caroline. okay, we're going to move on to anccaroline. hi. from caroline. okay, we're going to move on to ancuh,line. hi. from caroline. okay, we're going to move on to anc uh, should. from caroline. okay, we're going to move on to anc uh, should. f ditch aroline. okay, we're going to move on to anc uh, should. fditch fur?ne. >> uh, should we ditch fur? >> uh, should we ditch fur? >> fur ? >> fur? >> fur? >> yeah. i mean, i've had a fair few arguments about this over the i'm a vegetarian. the years. uh i'm a vegetarian. i don't eat um, but. nor do i don't eat fur. um, but. nor do i don't eat fur. um, but. nor do i wear it, um, more because i can't pull that off. it's too ostentatious. but. but this has flared up because stephen fry has said that the king's guard should stop using real fur in the bear skin caps. you know, the bear skin caps. you know, the big the berry , the furry the big the berry, the furry hats, which i think is their actual name. and, um , these are actual name. and, um, these are the obviously the ceremonial functions they wear. um, and he

says they absolutely shouldn't do that. but jeremy clarkson has weighed saying, do that. but jeremy clarkson has weighed saying , no, we weighed in saying, no, we shouldn't hats made of shouldn't have hats made of nylon. this is a big argument about fabrics. >> now, i mean, what do you think? >> should the bear skin hats be made of actual bear? >> well, well, clarkson makes the very, uh, surprise hinckley politically correct point for clarkson that that the bears are getting , uh, consumed somehow. getting, uh, consumed somehow. anyway and that it's a by product. i don't think that's really the point. >> so they don't hunt the bears specifically make the hats? >> so they don't hunt the bears speci according�*nake the hats? >> so they don't hunt the bears speci according to ke the hats? >> so they don't hunt the bears speci according to clarkson,:s? >> so they don't hunt the bears speci according to clarkson, this well according to clarkson, this is i've read. is what i've read. >> but don't know. it >> yes, but i don't know. it feels what we're really feels like what we're really arguing about kind of arguing about is this kind of tradition and loving the past and not wanting it to be taken away those kind things . away and those kind of things. >> okay. because thought it >> okay. because i thought it was a military thing. i thought they wrestle to they had to wrestle the bear to death in order to fashion their own and then the hat is own hats. and then the hat is like of definitely need like a marker of definitely need to keep them. >> need to them. >> they need to keep them. >> they need to keep them. >> absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> not the this is not >> this is not the this is not the i want die the hill i want to die on. >> no. >> no. >> go on. have a really controversial view. >> mean, what army has

>> no, i mean, what the army has said in response is that if they >> no, i mean, what the army has saidfindasponse is that if they >> no, i mean, what the army has saidfind an onse is that if they >> no, i mean, what the army has saidfind an appropriate if they can find an appropriate alternative that has the same quality , yes, then they'd be up quality, yes, then they'd be up for it. but but are they cumbersome? >> anyway, the shape of the how do you get involved in a battle >> anyway, the shape of the how do y> anyway, the shape of the how do y> anyway, the shape of the how do y> anyway, the shape of the how do y> anyway, the shape of the how do y> anyway, the shape of the how do y> t- head? >> like headbutting people. >> oh, okay. okay. >> oh, okay. okay. >> but also they keep you warm . >> but also they keep you warm. i guess they're standing around a you a lot outside and they make you look way kangaroos look bigger the way kangaroos sort stretch out sort of stretch themselves out when predator. when there's a predator. but, look, to step in and look, i'm happy to step in and shave my back hair and donate it to the. >> i was wondering if you can make anything out of jeremy clarkson. i mean, that would be an people been for >> people have been trying for years . >> people have been trying for yeaokay, >> people have been trying for yea okay, we're to >> people have been trying for yeaokay, we're to move on >> okay, we're going to move on now from lesley. now to a question from lesley. where's hi hi. where's lesley? hi hi. >> extreme pornography be banned? >> ah, banned? >> ah , this is interesting. >> ah, this is interesting. >> ah, this is interesting. >> now. so this is a tory peer. uh, baroness berlin says that extreme pornography should be banned. extreme pornography should be banned . uh, under the banned. uh, under the conservatives um, and they have. they've been looking at the harm thatis they've been looking at the harm that is done by pornographic material. this is always i mean, there's always been these

debates, hasn't there? and it's this idea that pornography is the price you pay for a free society. do you remember when the tories tried to ban, um, certain types of pornography? it was about 15 years ago, and they came with a list, and it was came up with a list, and it was effectively the fetishes they didn't of. didn't like or approve of. i mean, going to any mean, i'm not going to say any of was a weird, of the ones, but it was a weird, weirdly specific list. >> well, that's problem, >> well, that's the problem, isn't and interestingly , a lot >> now? and interestingly, a lot of the fetishes that they put on the list were things that involve mostly female pleasure, and maybe and you wonder whether maybe there a sexist element to there was a sexist element to this the hell knows? >> anyway, who the hell knows? >> anyway, who the hell knows? >> get pleasure >> but women get pleasure from sex, afraid to tell you. sex, i'm afraid to tell you. >> in some cases, yes, i'm learning so much from this shouldn't be your marriage i >> -- >> it really should be. um. >> it really should be. um. >> let . so what do we do about >> let. so what do we do about this? because, you know, i understand people's concerns . understand people's concerns. and the argument about extreme pornography can develop . pornography can develop. cultivate a culture of misogyny. on the other hand , a free on the other hand, a free society says that adults can do whatever they want. yeah where do you stand? >> it's so difficult, isn't it? because i think i think extreme

pornography is very dangerous . pornography is very dangerous. louise perry makes great louise perry makes some great points the ratchet effect. louise perry makes some great point�*things the ratchet effect. louise perry makes some great point�*things ares ratchet effect. louise perry makes some great point�*things are available ffect. louise perry makes some great point�*things are available to ct. louise perry makes some great point�*things are available to the once things are available to the population. she makes the case that some people have ended up becoming paedophiles who would never have to that level of depravity. >> we have evidence for that, like sort of are there studies that would that kind of impact? >> that's a really good question. don't know, it must question. i don't know, it must be months read the be six months since i read the book. i accept be six months since i read the boo point i accept be six months since i read the boo point that i accept be six months since i read the boo point that she's accept her point that what she's worried the ratchet her point that what she's worriecso the ratchet her point that what she's worriecso what the ratchet her point that what she's worriecso what i'm; ratchet her point that what she's worriecso what i'm saying�*t her point that what she's worriecso what i'm saying is, effect. so what i'm saying is, yes, i get it. it's really dangerous. and the more you've got, and so got, the more you'll get, and so on but don't on and so on. yes, but we don't want tory party or anybody want the tory party or anybody making about what's appropriate. >> but we're not talking about criminal we? criminal stuff, are we? >> know, when >> because, you know, when you're describing, say you're describing, when they say extreme if you're extreme pornography, if you're talkingpeople are hurt or where people are hurt or exploited that's already exploited, that's already illegal, we're talking illegal, isn't it? we're talking about legal forms of about certain legal forms of pornography, right? >> that's right . >> that's right. >> that's right. >> so it's just there's a loophole where you can the stuff there's stuff that's online streaming that's legal. but if you own it in a physical form, it would be illegal. really? yes. the british

yes. because the british classification board has oversight of that. and that stuff would then be classified as illegal. yeah. so i think that's partly what she's talking about here. and what do you make of it? >> but do you think that the government should way government should in any way get involved to involved when it comes to censoring? think i agree with >> well, i think i agree with what are and that, what crest are saying and that, um , this, this ratchet effect , um, this, this ratchet effect, um, this, this ratchet effect, um, that , uh, um, this, this ratchet effect, um, that, uh, i think we need um, in that, uh, i think we need to go backwards. and i've always said this and people think i'm joking, but in terms of this, just magazines. just bring back magazines. that's what i want to go really . that's what i want to go really. >> why? >> why? >> because magazines have got used a bit of imagination. >> you have to there's >> uh, you have to bite. there's a shame when you and a sense of shame when you go and buy and achievement or find testerone is going. >> also finding. >> also finding. >> and this is partly it's easier a easier to find magazines in a bush easier to find magazines in a busuh, did not anticipate the >> uh, i did not anticipate the conversation going in this way, but that's that's what i'm saying. if i was in charge, i'd ban all of that stuff online and i'd magazines. i'd bring back magazines. >> it is just an >> okay, well, it is just an interesting about, interesting question about, you know, adults having the freedom to as to choose what they consume as a line. >> e dangerous e— e dangerous it's a

>> but it's a dangerous it's a slippery excuse pun. >> but it's a dangerous it's a slipokay excuse pun. >> but it's a dangerous it's a slipokay . excuse pun. >> okay. >> okay. >> uh, was that a pun? >> uh, was that a pun? >> hope not. okay, we're going >> i hope not. okay, we're going to move now to a question for to move on now to a question for armin. where's hello armin. where's armin? hello >> everybody . um, >> good evening everybody. um, is khan ulez the next is sadiq khan ulez the next postal scandal? >> okay . very interesting. uh, >> okay. very interesting. uh, london mayor sadiq khan. obviously, we've all heard of the ulez scheme. we've talked about it a lot on this show. continues to attack , attract continues to attack, attract criticism. it's designed, obviously to ease pollution, help environment . but, uh, help the environment. but, uh, but it's been described as a war on it a war on motorists? >> well, the difference is we know about this. but then the similarity is lots of people are saying it might not work and it's going ahead anyway. so i don't is. maybe it's going ahead anyway. so i do20 is. maybe it's going ahead anyway. so i do 20 we'll is. maybe it's going ahead anyway. so i do20 we'll all is. maybe it's going ahead anyway. so i do 20 we'll all be maybe it's going ahead anyway. so i do 20 we'll all be getting in 20 years we'll all be getting massive yes. massive payouts. yes, yes. >> you think be a scandal? >> no i don't, i don't think there's fair comparison >> no i don't, i don't think the it's! fair comparison >> no i don't, i don't think the it's not fair comparison >> no i don't, i don't think the it's not a air comparison >> no i don't, i don't think the it's not a system parison >> no i don't, i don't think the it's not a system thaton it. it's not a system that i agree, policy i agree with, agree, a policy i agree with, but this to compare to what's but this to compare it to what's going office, going on with the post office, which people which was, you know, people arguably illegally to arguably behaving illegally to cover up actions as other people were sent to jail and various things like that. i think it's

not a comparison. >> okay. okay. well, let's get a question roger. where's question now from roger. where's roger? roger. roger? hi roger. hello. >> election result in >> will the election result in taiwan provoke china ? taiwan provoke china? >> yeah. so this is obviously a big story . uh, >> yeah. so this is obviously a big story. uh, william lai has been elected the next president of taiwan. and this is a third consecutive tum in office. he's part of the democratic people's party, chinese government, obviously won't be very happy about this. they've called him a trouble maker because he believes that taiwan ought to be an independent, autonomous, uh, democratic island. that is, i know that the chinese government has said that i think they wanted hands by has said that i think they wante was hands by has said that i think they wante was the hands by has said that i think they wante was the date hands by has said that i think they wante was the date they ands by has said that i think they wante was the date they put. by has said that i think they wante was the date they put on 2025. was the date they put on it. this is going to be a real hub of international contention, isn't it? yeah. >> it's not looking for good china. and they've got taiwan , china. and they've got taiwan, have got america's backing. yes i saw a lady from hong kong going there to photos going over there to take photos and involved the sort of and be involved in the sort of celebratory atmosphere after the election, couldn't election, saying, we couldn't do this hong kong. so yeah, this in hong kong. so yeah, clearly the chinese looking clearly the chinese are looking at yeah, but at this and. yeah, but but but china a major power. china is a major power.

>> it does somewhat dwarf taiwan. and of course , if there taiwan. and of course, if there was some kind of conflict here, america would i suppose , be america would i suppose, be obuged america would i suppose, be obliged involved . they've obliged to get involved. they've pledged to do so. i mean, this is potentially a seed of a major international conflict. >> absolutely. this be >> absolutely. this could be world war three. i mean, that's why we have to talk about it. it is yes. china has is important. yes. china has seemed determined to seemed incredibly determined to get their hands yes um, get their hands on it. yes um, and, you know, it's the question as to what level are they going to take it . as to what level are they going to take it. uh, but yeah, i just thought it was funny. they, you know , um, voted someone called know, um, voted someone called william lai as opposed to bob truth . uh, well, bob truth truth. uh, well, bob truth didn't make it past the primaries. >> okay? we're going to move on now to a question from peter. hi. hi. hi there. >> are the german farmers just died in the extraordinary protests . protests. >> i'm glad you mentioned that, peter, because there hasn't been much coverage of the german farmers protests not. much farmers protests or not. as much as there should uh, as i think there should be, uh, farmers germany blockading farmers in germany blockading roads with tractors and various vehicles, they're protesting

against subsidy cuts. uh, i think it's more than 500 tractors and trucks . uh, by the tractors and trucks. uh, by the brandenburg gate in berlin. and they've completely brought berlin to a standstill. they really can do this. such is the power of protest . i mean, i power of protest. i mean, i mean, it's the kind thing mean, it's the kind of thing that france a lot, that you see in france a lot, but don't often see but you don't often see in germany. a of people. germany. but a lot of people. can about this, peter? can i ask you about this, peter? because lot uh, media because a lot of, uh, the media and for instance, and i've seen, uh, for instance, and i've seen, uh, for instance, an article guardian an article in the guardian trying this is a trying to suggest that this is a great for the great opportunity for the far right. whenever workers right. it whenever workers protest, always seem to protest, they always seem to invoke the far if when invoke the far right if when they're, know , working class they're, you know, working class people fight people are trying to fight for their you any their rights. do you have any thoughts on this? their rights. do you have any tho well, on this? their rights. do you have any tho well, it'sthis? their rights. do you have any tho well, it's interesting, >> well, it's interesting, actually, the there's now actually, that the there's now a three strike in in sympathy. three day strike in in sympathy. yes. by the railway workers. right. who are not not strictly right wing. >> that's right. it's >> no no no. that's right. it's not really about right and left is not at all. >> it's not. not at all. >> it's often interpreted >> but it's often interpreted that way isn't it. >> what happened in >> well, look what happened in holland. this is, this holland. yes. so this is, this is follow through from is really a follow through from the. there's knock effect. >> so there's a knock on effect. this but i would this is going on. but i would connect broader moves like connect it to broader moves like the in france. the gilets jaunes in france. i would even connect the

would even connect it to the russian truckers russian to the truckers in canada. though that was to canada. even though that was to do with covid restrictions. this principle class principle of working class people mobilising, an people mobilising, having an effect when protest effect when they protest and then just being demonised and smeared. as far right by various politicians . that seems to be politicians. that seems to be the knee jerk reaction now to anyone up for their anyone standing up for their rights, it? anyone standing up for their rigiit, it? anyone standing up for their rigi it , except anyone standing up for their rigiit, except i wonder if >> it does, except i wonder if we're trying to crowbar this into that narrative in that this is a really more so an economic issue . yes. where they're issue. yes. where they're protesting loss of money. >> was it not an economic issue in canada? i think it was, uh, well , covid in canada? i think it was, uh, well, covid covid you could argue it's a rights issue. no, but they were also talking about their but they were also talking about the okay. well, yeah, i for me, >> okay. well, yeah, i for me, i thought it was more of to a do with, but. yeah. yeah. um, so, so and it is a real phenomenon of other people tacking on to discontent. yes. you know , not discontent. yes. you know, not saying that means everyone's far right or anything. i'm just saying that's what people do . saying that's what people do. the far left do it. you know, the workers party the socialist workers party turn up thing that's going up at every thing that's going to happen at any. everybody

exploits it doesn't exploits these. so it doesn't make the protest invalid , does make the protest invalid, does it? no, no, not at all. >> i just almost can >> i just it's almost like, can i come to you, peter, >> i just it's almost like, can i c01he to you, peter, >> i just it's almost like, can i c01he asked 0 you, peter, >> i just it's almost like, can i c01he asked theyu, peter, >> i just it's almost like, can i c01he asked the question. because he asked the question. >> more do with >> this may have more to do with control of food production. >> fine. what >> yes. yeah. okay fine. what do you me just bring you actually let me just bring in as can have in armin as well. can i have the mic? you wanted mic? because armin, you wanted to point about, um, to make this point about, um, control of production. control of food production. about particular about that, that particular point protests. point on these protests. >> yeah. because you're >> oh, yeah. because you're seeing these farms seeing a lot of these farms being down as farms, and being closed down as farms, and they're putting panels all being closed down as farms, and they'the utting panels all being closed down as farms, and they'the utting and panels all being closed down as farms, and they'the utting and everything, over the fields and everything, which in the which looks ugly in the countryside. yes but at the end of the the more the less of the day, the more the less food production we have. food pnces food production we have. food prices are going to go up. yes. and if the uk can be more self—sufficient and produce our own field, that also cuts down on importing . and this is what on importing. and this is what we should be doing. we should be looking after ourselves as right. know, in on all those right. you know, in on all those sort of ways. and the same thing is germany and is happening in germany and belgium. of course, in belgium. yes. and of course, in france the trying france, the, the eu are trying to all of the, all of this to put all of the, all of this green issue in and at the end of the day, it's not realistic. yeah. for the

dreamers. >> it feels as though a lot of these policies these environmental policies that are implemented to that are implemented tend to affect than affect workers more than anyone else. they're told this else. and they're told this repeatedly, but they're they're not they listen not listening. maybe they listen when roads blocked. when the roads are blocked. >> absolutely >> yeah. of course. absolutely and of course affecting and of course it's affecting people of everyday lives and you can't have governance agents and local councils go against it's people and residents. and this is what's happening more and more . you know, the residents in more. you know, the residents in local towns are not getting their. yeah yeah. >> very interesting . and i'm >> very interesting. and i'm sure we'll be covering this again on the show because it's not an issue that's not going anywhere. but on free anywhere. but next on free speech going be speech nation, i'm going to be joined and joined by the author and philosopher peter boghossian. we're discussing we're going to be discussing claudine as claudine gaye's resignation as president and what it president of harvard and what it means for diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives . don't go inclusion initiatives. don't go anywhere

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than. welcome back to free speech nation . i've got a very speech nation. i've got a very exciting guest here. >> so let's crack on now, a huge story in america over the new year was the resignation of the harvard president, claudine gay, who forced out over who was forced out over accusations of plagiarise , um, accusations of plagiarise, um, after her extremely unconvincing performance in front of a congressional committee when discussing anti—semitism on campuses. some commentators have portrayed her downfall as a blow for die or diversity, equity and inclusion policies designed to increase diversity in the workplace. or are they ? well, workplace. or are they? well, here to join me to talk about this is a man with his finger on the pulse of these issues. the author and philosopher peter boghossian, . peter asking boghossian, who. peter asking for love is never a good look. >> no, it is with this group . it >> no, it is with this group. it is. it should happen naturally. >> peter. now tell us. claudine. claudine gay, right. uh, it's been identified . died, and she's been identified. died, and she's been identified. died, and she's been accused of plagiarism in her doctoral thesis. the response from various bodies has

been to sort of protect her and deny it. the associated press said that plagiarism is now a weapon in the culture war. from the right. correct. what on earth is going isn't earth is going on? isn't plagiarism wrongful stop? plagiarism just wrongful stop? >> plagiarism >> correct. so plagiarism is basically taking ideas that are not own and crediting them. not your own and crediting them. and thing so crazy and one thing that's so crazy about this story is she even plagiarised her acknowledgements like she plagiarised her, like her thank yous. but it was it was, uh, here's the main deliverable to this . it's not deliverable to this. it's not about claudine gay . it's about about claudine gay. it's about wide scale , massive wide scale, massive institutional corruption at harvard. other institutions are now hiding dissertations. so nobody can access those because they know that the problem is endemic. >> now, you think this is happening ? happening? >> oh, i know for a fact it's happening because i know people who are pulling the dissertations and they're going, i you this way. i wouldn't i put you this way. i wouldn't be surprised went after be surprised if they went after jill biden. jill biden, who has an ed, they're going after everyone. i i predict to you

that in the very near future, the default will be unless you can prove that your dissertation was not plagiarised, the assumption is it's going to be that that you're a fraud. >> well, i mean, as you know, i mean, we both come from academic backgrounds and we know that the one thing you just never do is plagiarise and plagiarise you don't try and pass people's as pass off other people's work as your own. you if you if your own. if you are if you if your own. if you are if you if you idea that you want you have an idea that you want to you to take from someone else, you credit and say credit them for that and say that. why would that. correct. but why would someone reach the position of president of all president of harvard? of all places, one the top places, one of the top universities world and universities in the world and not observe that basic rule ? not observe that basic rule? >> well, well, that's okay. >> well, well, that's okay. >> well, well, that's okay. >> well, there are multiple answers to that. question. one, she 11 publications. answers to that. question. one, she for 11 publications. answers to that. question. one, she for those 11 publications. answers to that. question. one, she for those who blications. answers to that. question. one, she for those who aren't)ns. and for those who aren't familiar academia, familiar with academia, 11 publications . but publications is nothing. but even beyond that, we could talk about merit and whether she was hired because she was a black woman, which is things nobody wants to speak honestly about. but the problem is that the institutions themselves are complicit in the corruption. right and so she was found guilty of an internal and she

was found innocent of an internal investigation of plagiarism before they even investigated. so they didn't even do the investigation. and they lawyered up. their loyalty lawyer, their lawyers threatened the post. they had stories with withdraw born with tracted about the plagiarism, barack obama came to her defence. but it's not about claudine gay. no, this is a question of wide scale male corruption and institution and so many people have done this now. like it is ubiquitous, but clearly people are seeking to protect their own for ideological reasons. >> you wouldn't see this kind of protection for someone who maybe had a conservative worldview within the institution. >> to >> no, but we don't have to worry even think worry about that or even think about that, because the last, depending department, the depending on the department, the ratio to ratio of conservatives to liberals to 1. yes, liberals is like 98 to 1. yes, yes. mean, could think yes. but i mean, you could think about about academia, yes. but i mean, you could think aboutabout about academia, yes. but i mean, you could think aboutabout the about academia, yes. but i mean, you could think aboutabout the fire ut academia, yes. but i mean, you could think aboutabout the fire department. think about the fire department. think about just like random , i think about just like random, i don't know born or don't know whatever born or industry you wanted. if corruption was shown, for example , in the materials that

example, in the materials that it took to build bridges, why wouldn't you want to root out the corruption so people wouldn't die when they went over the right i mean, it the bridges? right i mean, it doesn't even make any sense, but they're to pull the they're hiding again to pull the analogy further, there , they're analogy further, there, they're hiding the fact that materials like bridges were made out of balsa wood or materials that couldn't sustain weight. yes. so the one of the consequences of this is not only will this further delegitimize our academic institutions , it will academic institutions, it will further delegitimize the people . further delegitimize the people. the corruption is so widespread . the corruption is so widespread. >> well, but this is this is coming from a sort of ideological group that believes that is inherently that meritocracy is inherently a kind of racist idea, correct . kind of racist idea, correct. and that that really what you need to prioritise is this, this idea of diversity , equity and idea of diversity, equity and inclusion. that's correct . can inclusion. that's correct. can you just explain very quickly what diversity, equity, inclusion is all about? diverse city equity. city and equity. >> is taking the >> inclusion is taking the voices people that have not voices of people that have not been or been historically forwarded or have oppression variables. for example , the descendant of

example, the descendant of slaves and giving equity, giving a either a balance of a proportional representation . so proportional representation. so if african americans are 13% of the population, you have 13% of the population, you have 13% of the population, you have 13% of the population in a mix. >> so. so what's wrong with that? >> well, let me just so if you just looked at the data at harvard, example . well, harvard, for example. well, what's wrong with that briefly is it presupposes it's not is that it presupposes it's not a zero sum game. so for example , a zero sum game. so for example, if there are 100 spots and if you took the top 10% at harvard, the asians would be over 51% of applicants. but they're not. they're downgraded. if you're asian, it's just there is systematic discrimination that's against asians. whites would drop a little bit, hispanics would drop, would plummet. but african would go from african americans would go from 13 point, i think 2 or 3% to 0.9 under 1. so the idea is that we want to the idea is that you match the percentage of people in a population racially. we take that demographic and graft it on to equality of outcome, not equality of opportunity. >> correct. >> correct. >> okay. and to achieve that,

the only way to achieve that is wide scale corruption . yeah. and wide scale corruption. yeah. and systemic discrimination against ashkenazi jews for example, or cold climate asians. >> so yes, exactly. racial groups that will just do better. it's harder for them to get into harvard. that's right. well, correct . correct. >> which if you were you should just say this is not a meritocracy. we don't find the best people. we don't hire the best people. we don't hire the best people. we don't hire the best people. yes, we hire people , or we matriculate students on the basis of race. >> yes. >> yes. >> and this is, of course, claudine gaye's resignation was largely not just by largely precipitated not just by the by her the plagiarism, but by her saying in congress that the idea of calling for genocide of jews was was context dependent . was was context dependent. whether that would violate the hate policy. >> the very same people who would were freaking out about microaggressions and trigger warnings and, warnings and safe spaces and, you you can't even say, you know, you can't even say, where you that's a where are you from? that's a microaggression. they bias microaggression. they have bias response could be response teams. you could be brought a thought crime, brought up for a thought crime, basically, my former basically, at my former employee, portland state university, that they have weaponized offices of diversity,

eqtu weaponized offices of diversity, equity and inclusion against people. >> and they've been punishing people microaggression . oh people for microaggression. oh yeah. for the yeah. but calling for the genocide of jews. that depends on context. well well, yeah, on the context. well well, yeah, you have to understand the ideology for that. >> ideology that jews are >> the ideology is that jews are not looked at an oppressed class . they're looked as white adjacent white adjacent. you adjacent and white adjacent. you looked oppressor. adjacent and white adjacent. you looked oppressor . and looked at as the oppressor. and so you're part of the so you're you're part of the system that keeps down african americans in specific keep certain people certain racial groups, from achieving or or a sexual identity. groups like trans . trans. >> so in short, because i know we don't have much time, this is a massive topic. >> it's a massive topic. >> it's a massive topic. >> it's a massive topic. >> it feels as though what you're describing are institutions no institutions that are just no longer , uh, fit for purpose. longer, uh, fit for purpose. they are no longer, uh, exercising the objectives that the universities were set out to achieve . achieve. >> they're now. well, if that if that's probably the best thing you can say about it. right >> the best you can say >> the best thing you can say about it is that don't about it is that they don't discharge their primary mission. yes. more honest thing to yes. the more honest thing to say about it is that there is a

wide scale endemic racism, and . wide scale endemic racism, and. the infrastructure that supports that racism is fraud and corruption, and they know it and they have to hide it. so is it on the verge of collapse? >> well , it's on the verge of collapse? >> well, it's on it's on the verge of complete delegitimization. >> so they will have no legitimacy anymore . legitimacy anymore. >> fascinating. no, no bad thing i >> -- >> no. and it will come. >> no. and it will come. >> my prediction is that it will come to the uk at cambridge and oxford in a year and a half. very interesting. >> don't have much time >> well, we don't have much time unfortunately. peter unfortunately. so peter boghosian, you joining boghosian, thank you for joining us and let . us free speech us and let. us free speech nafion us and let. us free speech nation desperate for love. uh the scottish national party have come under fire for plans which could see parents sent to jail if they refuse to let their children self—identify . uh, lois children self—identify. uh, lois mcclatchey miller will be here to discuss that. don't go anywhere .

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>> on mark dolan tonight who's to blame for the post office scandal? >> everyone you can think of this story shames a generation of politicians and public figures. in my take at ten. love him or loathe him , nigel farage him or loathe him, nigel farage should be an mp in the house of commons. it would serve our democracy well he runs at the democracy well if he runs at the next election. plus, the chairman of ukip with a big announcement . tv news legend announcement. tv news legend john sergeant and former government ann government minister ann widdecombe. we're live at nine. welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. >> parents are facing up to seven years in jail . if they seven years in jail. if they don't let their children change genden don't let their children change gender. under new plans put forward by the snp, scotland is looking at implementing a ban on conversion therapy, which would criminalise any actions designed to change or suppress the gender identity of another individual and any action that causes

another individual a physical harm or psychological distress . harm or psychological distress. so here to discuss these proposals i'm joined by senior legal communications officer at adf and proud scot lois mcclatchey miller . so tell me, mcclatchey miller. so tell me, lois , people are confused lois, people are confused because the scottish government is saying they want to ban conversion therapy. we think of conversion therapy. we think of conversion therapy. we think of conversion therapy hooking conversion therapy as hooking gay men up to electrodes. back in to force you know, in the 1960s, to force you know, it's not the same thing, is it? >> it's the thing. this >> it's not the same thing. this bill purported to be tackling bill is purported to be tackling these things which already these things which are already illegal. by good sense, of illegal. and by good sense, of course. yes, but what this bill really is common sense really tackles is common sense parenting and guiding advice. this bill, as is hit the headlines, would indeed put parents at risk of going to prison for seven years if they were to refuse their child a gender transition . one of the gender transition. one of the examples that we're given in the text about such criminal behaviour would be if your child , say, you're a 11 year old son comes down for school in the

morning and he's dressed in a skirt , lipstick and heels, and skirt, lipstick and heels, and you say, no, no, go and change, son. you're not going to be wearing if you were wearing that today. if you were to do that repeat it more to do that at to repeat it more than then you two could than twice, then you two could be up for this criminal offence. separated from your children and facing seven years in prison. so it's a very severe law now, really. >> so realistically, because a lot of people will look at that and think, there's no way, there's no way a court would actually send a parent to prison for feasible , for seven years. is it feasible, according to the proposals that have put out a public have been put out for a public consultation this week, that is indeed happen . indeed what would happen. >> it's interesting that seven indeed what would happen. >> it'as1teresting that seven indeed what would happen. >> it'as1t4kind ng that seven indeed what would happen. >> it'as1t4kind ng religiousen years as a kind of religious connotation , doesn't it? connotation, doesn't it? christians of seven christians think of seven seven days made the world. i days that god made the world. i think it's sikhism. there's seven steps to prosperity . and seven steps to prosperity. and now in scottish wokeism there are seven years to go to jail. if refuse to transition your children. >> i certainly i believe it's a form of religious conviction. the movement. i do think the woke movement. i do think there is something to that. um, but does sound but look, it does sound absolutely incredible. but parents who are trying to i

mean, we know from , for example, mean, we know from, for example, the cass review that the idea of even social transitioning as in adopting pronouns and names of a child , uh, which are not what child, uh, which are not what they were given at birth, that actually that's not a neutral act. it can actually be quite a dangerous thing. all of the evidence is saying we shouldn't do are do that. so parents are being told, that. then told, don't do that. and then the is saying, but if the government is saying, but if you cass review you follow what the cass review and say , you're and other experts say, you're breaking is that right? breaking the law. is that right? >> so >> it's absolutely crazy. so this allows state intervention into relationship between into that relationship between parent and child in a really unprecedented way . and it unprecedented way. and it follows this trajectory that has happened over the last few years in scotland, especially, but across west, adults across the west, where adults are being treated children are being treated as children and children the power to and children, given the power to make about make decisions about their lives, should have lives, that adults should have parents should be empowered to be children through this be guiding children through this very generation , an very tricky, uh, generation, an generation alpha. they have enough challenges as it is parenting , enough challenges as it is parenting, and now enough challenges as it is parenting , and now they're being parenting, and now they're being scared to death, being separated from their children. if they say something against what the government be right, something against what the

gov absolutely be right, something against what the govabsolutely insane. be right, it's absolutely insane. >> i don't want this to sound offensive, but what is it about scotland? because go back scotland? because if you go back to scottish government, to the scottish government, were trying that that trying to implement that that parents scheme where every child would have a named um, uh, sort of like an ambassador with the government sort of getting involved. i mean, that didn't go through that but they tried. >> yeah , you're absolutely right. >> it follows a trajectory that just wants intervene in that just wants to intervene in that relationship and relationship between parent and child. doesn't make any child. and it doesn't make any sense all. remember, sense at all. and remember, also, had hate speech also, we had the hate speech law, which went passed through parliament a couple of years ago. seven ago. also threatening seven years prison even years in prison for even discussing these issues in a way that would be deemed illegal around a kitchen table . well, around a kitchen table. well, yes. intervention is yes. so the intervention is quite severe, but we are at the consultation phase. so it's really important that everybody across scotland gets involved in responding to this consultation, which will allow them to have their voices heard and say every part of this bill is not welcome in scotland . and i should say in scotland. and i should say also there's a criminal aspect to this law would bring to what this law would bring forward. but there's also a civil don't meet civil aspect. if you don't meet

the might the threshold. but you might pose a of accidentally pose a risk of accidentally saying something potentially in the future that could could be construed as this conversion therapy. there's a civil protection order that can be put in place to which prevent somebody from meeting you , somebody from meeting you, somebody from meeting you, somebody from meeting you, somebody from you at somebody from meeting you at a specific for specific place, say, for example, and it's example, a church. and so it's very, very far reaching to say ahead of time that somebody might something and that might say something and that should criminalised. mean, should be criminalised. i mean, this is just definition of this is just the definition of authoritarianism, it authoritarianism, isn't it? it really it was a joke, really is. i wish it was a joke, but it's sadly , satire becomes but it's sadly, satire becomes real life . real life. >> it's absolutely horrific. but thank much for telling us thank you so much for telling us about and depressing all. about it and depressing us all. lois, coming lois, thanks for coming to the show . show. >> okay, well , next on free >> okay, well, next on free speech nation , inappropriate speech nation, inappropriate jokes at the golden globes , and jokes at the golden globes, and an actor hits out at david cameron . cameron. >> it's almost time for social sensations . join us in a few sensations. join us in a few minutes

. for welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. so it's nation with me, andrew doyle. so wsfime nation with me, andrew doyle. so it's time for social sensations . it's time for social sensations. that's the part of the show where we look at what's been going viral this week on social media. yeah, we're going to start comedian gaffigan start with comedian jim gaffigan . if i pronounce that right, gaffigan . yeah. sounds right. he gaffigan. yeah. sounds right. he went viral this week with some surprising choice of material at the golden globes awards. let's have i can't even have a listen. i can't even believe i'm in the entertainment industry. >> i can't, you know, it's so unlikely . >> i can't, you know, it's so unlikely. i'm >> i can't, you know, it's so unlikely . i'm from >> i can't, you know, it's so unlikely. i'm from a small >> i can't, you know, it's so unlikely . i'm from a small town unlikely. i'm from a small town in indiana . unlikely. i'm from a small town in indiana. i'm not a unlikely. i'm from a small town in indiana . i'm not a paedophile in indiana. i'm not a paedophile . you know , i just i don't know . you know, i just i don't know if that's a new category here, but . but. >> looks like a mixed response from the audience there, isn't it ? he's made from the audience there, isn't it? he's made them from the audience there, isn't it ? he's made them feel from the audience there, isn't it? he's made them feel a from the audience there, isn't it ? he's made them feel a bit it? he's made them feel a bit awkward. good isn't that the point of comedy? >> that's why i do it. >> that's why i do it.

>> yeah, it's why you do it. >> yeah, it's why you do it. >> you make your audience very awkward. it's often more awkward. yeah. it's often more kind of awkward than kind of awkward silence than laughter, after. yeah, i'm laughing. after. yetthe i'm laughing. after. yetthe important ghing. exactly. >> but i mean, this is the same as ricky gervais hosted as when ricky gervais hosted the golden he did golden globes, and he really did have them. and was have a go at them. and it was hilarious. saw you hilarious. yeah, i saw what you want, it? hilarious. yeah, i saw what you waryeah, it? hilarious. yeah, i saw what you waryeah, absolutely . it's funny. hilarious. yeah, i saw what you warye look,)solutely . it's funny. hilarious. yeah, i saw what you warye look, that tely . it's funny. hilarious. yeah, i saw what you waryelook, that isy . it's funny. hilarious. yeah, i saw what you waryelook, that is a. it's funny. hilarious. yeah, i saw what you waryelook, that is a funnanny. yeah. look, that is a funny joke. because because yeah. look, that is a funny joke. can't because because yeah. look, that is a funny joke.can't be(because because yeah. look, that is a funny joke. can't be(because they'rese they can't just because they're a paedos. a bunch of paedos. >> they can't laugh at themselves. >> i mean, that's that's the thing, isn't it? these are some of the most privileged and powerful people the world. of the most privileged and powe deserve ole the world. of the most privileged and powe deserve to the world. of the most privileged and powe deserve to have e world. of the most privileged and powe deserve to have e bit'ld. of the most privileged and powe deserve to have e bit of ribbing. >> double funny. it's funny anyway. and then if anyway. and then it's funny if they it. yeah, yeah , exactly. >> true. okay well next >> that's true. okay well next up got actor alan cumming up we've got actor alan cumming who's touched a nerve this morning when he hit out at foreign secretary lord cameron . foreign secretary lord cameron. let's said. the let's see what he said. the person who us of europe. >> and this is the person who is in of foreign policy in charge of our foreign policy as government. that's pretty as a government. that's pretty terrifying, number one. secondly this man is saying that he believes rishi sunak is a strong leader and has a huge brain . leader and has a huge brain. okay so often actors get

involved in politics. >> um, he didn't take us out of europe. of course. he campaigned quite vigorously to keep us in the eu in fact, but not the facts don't really matter here, do they? well, he said that rishi sunak has got a huge brain. >> i mean, he hasn't got a huge anything he. quite he anything has he. he's quite a he gentleman. . i yeah. i i what gentleman. um. iyeah. i iwhat was the question i don't think there was one. >> i think we're just commenting on what you saw. uh, any views? >> well, i've just given you my main view. yes >> and i'm sure rishi sunak will thank for what you thank you for it. what do you think, thank you for it. what do you thiri, thank you for it. what do you thiri feel like he shouldn't >> i feel like he shouldn't dress jim gaffigan's joke . dress like jim gaffigan's joke. >> i'd be very careful in the way that you talk, but i mean, there's been very interesting because. >> because he's not from minnesota at all. alan. >> alan cumming has been getting involved of involved in these sort of political lot. involved in these sort of polit i :al lot. involved in these sort of politi saw lot. involved in these sort of politi saw him lot. involved in these sort of politi saw him the lot. involved in these sort of politi saw him the otherot. involved in these sort of politi saw him the other day. and i saw him the other day. there going around of there was a clip going around of him about of, uh, he him talking about of, uh, he said, sunak said, uh, you know, rishi sunak has that there's has said that there's differences between men and women. yeah i mean, women. how dare he. yeah i mean, that's bonkers, isn't it? it is

bonkers. >> and because once you're >> and it's because once you're surrounded by people who say yes to you, you forget to you, yes you, you, you forget where reality is. yeah. >> i mean, i'm for all sort of actors celebrities having actors and celebrities having their and saying, their opinions and saying, you know, them on know, i have a lot of them on the um, sort of. yeah but the show. um, sort of. yeah but you know, it gets a bit boring when they know absolutely nothing about the subjects they're nothing about the subjects the yeah, exactly . it's just kind >> yeah, exactly. it's just kind of. oh, there you are. having your opinion on, don't know. your opinion on, i don't know. >> no. let them talk. but you know. yeah >> have to act on it. >> i don't have to act on it. but that's fair enough, isn't it, he's a it, because he's not a politician. it, because he's not a polwell1. it, because he's not a polwell let's have think >> well let's have a i think we've time for some we've got some time for some unfiltered dilemmas. here's unfiltered dilemmas. uh, here's a katie has a dilemma from katie. katie has emailed said, i find emailed in and said, i find myself questioning my marriage as my husband consistently delves into his extreme views, making politics the constant focus of our conversation . guns. focus of our conversation. guns. that's sexy . that's sexy. >> and we said we weren't going to have any more about josh's marriage. yeah, exactly. i know, just text me directly, katie thing is, katie hasn't said what the dilemma is there, but i assume it's that she's suggesting that her relationship is being spoilt by a constant,

uh, emphasis on politics. >> what do you think? >> what do you think? >> well, this is what happens, isn't family, one isn't it? in every family, one person the person cares about politics the most matter if on most. it doesn't matter if on average, not very average, they're not very political political political or very political family. got their family. somebody's got their rant always going family. somebody's got their rarout always going family. somebody's got their rarout rant always going family. somebody's got their rarout rant everybody ways going family. somebody's got their rarout rant everybody else. going yeah. >> people actually break up >> do people actually break up though, politics? i'm though, over politics? i'm wondering yes. they? though, over politics? i'm worjosh1g yes. they? though, over politics? i'm worjosh i] yes. they? though, over politics? i'm worjosh i don't. they? though, over politics? i'm worjosh i don't knowhey? though, over politics? i'm worjosh i don't know .ay? though, over politics? i'm worjosh i don't know. it? though, over politics? i'm worjosh i don't know . it could >> josh i don't know. it could be a like you know, be more like a like you know, like talk dirty to me . be more like a like you know, like talk dirty to me. i'm like i'll talk dirty to me. i'm going to vote lib dem. oh wow. >> whoa. all right . >> whoa. all right. >> whoa. all right. >> i think because actually what's arousing me a bit. so let's move . let's just bring the let's move. let's just bring the show to a rapid close . but thank show to a rapid close. but thank you much forjoining us on you so much forjoining us on free nation. this was the free speech nation. this was the week when the scottish government war on government continued its war on women. confirmed that women. elon musk confirmed that cis is a slur, at least on twitter or x, and we learned that children were buying anti—aging cream . interesting. anti—aging cream. interesting. thank you so much to my panel. cressida and josh to all my guests this evening. if you want to join in the studio, to join us live in the studio, be of our wonderful be part of our wonderful audience. can do that audience. you can easily do that just to war sro just go to war sro audiences.com. you can apply

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