grooming gangs breaking the last houn grooming gangs breaking the last hour, andy burnham, the mayor of greater manchester, said the police failed to protect young girls. let's a listen . girls. let's have a listen. >> over many years, great manchester police failed to give the allegation of these serious crimes the priority and resources necessary and get tough on rwanda. >> conservative mps demand that the prime minister toughens up the prime minister toughens up the rwanda bill today. many high profile mps are threatening to resign and show of force . resign and show of force. >> the defence secretary, grant shapps, is going to commit 20,000 british troops in a nato exercise, the biggest in 40 years. he's speaking at lancaster house. gb news spoke with him earlier. >> this will be the biggest deployment of uk troops to nato for about 40 years. this is an operation which is designed to essentially allow nato to test our approach . and our late our approach. and our late queen's fury bombshell revelations in a new book reveal that her majesty queen elizabeth

was infuriated by harry and meghan's claim that she'd given her blessing to their daughter, being named lilibet. >> we'll have the details . >> we'll have the details. lots to talk about this morning . lots to talk about this morning. >> pole is massive, isn't it.7 front of the telegraph, the tory graph. it's 14,000 people have been polled, so it's not your average routine monthly poll , average routine monthly poll, the biggest of its kind in years and years. and it says the labour are heading for a massive landslide victory. fascinating about we want to know about reform uk. we want to know if you're those who've if you're one of those who've abandoned tories. tell us why. >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> that lot, a lot more >> that and a lot, a lot more this morning. >> that and a lot, a lot more this morning . first though, this morning. first though, here's very latest news with here's the very latest news with sophia . sophia. >> thanks, bev. good morning . >> thanks, bev. good morning. it's 931. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. the uk will send 20,000 troops across europe

as britain looks to counter an alarming rise in russian aggression. it'll include deployments from the army, the navy and the raf in what's being described as the largest nato exercise since the cold war . the exercise since the cold war. the drill, which involves 31 nations, will see troops preparing for the invasion of a nato member state by any aggressor . the prime nato member state by any aggressor. the prime minister will speak to mps later after a series of strikes were launched against targets in yemen without consulting parliament, it will be rishi sunak's first time address since the uk joined the us in targeting the houthi rebels. the foreign secretary says the decision not to consult parliament was important for reasons of operational security . reasons of operational security. girls were left at the mercy of paedophile grooming gangs due to failings by senior police and council leaders . that's council leaders. that's according to a comprehensive new report covering nearly ten years of failed investigations by greater manchester police. it highlights years of widespread organised sexual abuse of children in the rochdale area.

despite what it describes as compelling evidence reported to authorities as early as 2004, the mayor of greater manchester, andy burnham , apologised for the andy burnham, apologised for the system's failings and said a culture change was needed to protect children and a volcano that erupted yesterday in iceland is sending lava flowing into nearby villages, covering houses , a fountain of molten houses, a fountain of molten rock and smoke spewed into the sky early on sunday, the second eruption in the country's southwest in less than a month . southwest in less than a month. iceland's prime minister, katrin jakobsdottir , says it's a very jakobsdottir, says it's a very dangerous situation. >> around noon , we had a new >> around noon, we had a new shock when a fissure opened within the town and there is lava flowing up from that fissure already . several houses fissure already. several houses have gone under lava , so it's a have gone under lava, so it's a very serious situation. we are faced with here right now , and faced with here right now, and you can get more on all those stories by visiting our website at gbnews.com

>> now it's back to andrew and . >> now it's back to andrew and. bev. very good morning to you. >> 934 monday morning. it's supposed to be blue monday, which means it's the saddest day of the year. are we feeling sad.7 >> we're both wearing blue. not because we're feeling better. apparently it's blue monday because the 15th. because it's january the 15th. we've no money. it's we've got no money. it's post—christmas, nothing to look forward to. >> it feels grim. >> it feels grim. >> and if you are rishi sunak today, and if you're one of 11 cabinet ministers, you'll be feeling blue monday because a poll front of the poll on the front of the telegraph today is very extraordinary. a 1997 style wipe—out. and remember, go back in history. tory has been in power for 18 years. mrs. thatcher was ousted. john major won election 92. won a surprising election in 92. come 97, they paid for it. won a surprising election in 92. come 97, they paid for it . blair come 97, they paid for it. blair had the biggest majority in modern history, 179. poll modern history, 179. this poll is suggesting that keir starmer will win with 120 seats. the tories will be down from about 360 that they've got now down to

169. massacre massacre and of course, the telegraph is a yougov poll. >> as andrew says, it's not some poxy >> as andrew says, it's not some poxy little thing done by, you know, somebody with a vested interest with the big picture of rishi sunak on the front page, which it kind of draws attention to the fact that perhaps i think it's his also his personal lack of popularity, which is a is a problem here. um, but we really want to hear from you at home, if you would traditionally have voted for the conservative party, and you are not going to do so this year, why give me the detail.7 let us know. why is it about immigration? is detail? let us know. why is it about immigration? is it about the economy? is it about the fact that we're continuing to spend a lot of money on foreign wars, that perhaps you feel we should doing, is should not be doing, which is going us on to grant going to bring us on to grant shapps as talking this shapps as well, talking this morning, telling us what quite what commitment is going to what our commitment is going to be. um, is it that is be. um, what is it that is infuriating you so much? be. um, what is it that is infland ng you so much? be. um, what is it that is infland a| you so much? be. um, what is it that is infland a lotu so much? be. um, what is it that is infland a lot ofo much? be. um, what is it that is infland a lot of people? be. um, what is it that is infland a lot of people we know >> and a lot of people we know watch programme listen watch this programme and listen to listen to to this programme, listen to this station. are saying they're

going to vote for reform uk . going to vote for reform uk. that's richard tice party. nigel farage, course, is the farage, of course, is the eminence , of and eminence greece, of course. and he told yet whether he hasn't told us yet whether he's although he's going to run, although one poll he would poll suggested he would comfortably clacton in comfortably win clacton in essex, there's huge essex, where there's a huge issue migration. but this issue with migration. but this poll everything because poll changes everything because it says if reform uk weren't standing, it would be a hung parliament, with labour being the largest party. but with reform standing, tory voters are going to abandon the tories vote reform . and that's when you get reform. and that's when you get majority a landslide majority of 120. and here's the thing. not a single reform party member would win a seat in this poll. so the question will be the tories are going to hit you hard with this. you vote reform, you're going to get a landslide. labour government. is that what you really want? >> what labour. >> that's what labour. >> that's what labour. >> what tories will say. >> well they will vote. yeah, absolutely. i mean reform suits laboun absolutely. i mean reform suits labour. um, reform would labour. correct um, reform would be deciding factor in 96 be the deciding factor in 96 tory lost seats seats. but if

richard tice or ben habib were here they would say but we are going to raise awareness of our party before this election. if this poll is done now, some people will not know who we are. they will not know what we represent. perhaps we will win the odd seat. can they make such a swing? remains to be seen. what do you think at home, and how much more significant would this nigel farage was this poll be if nigel farage was leading reform ? leading reform? >> respect to richard >> with all respect to richard tice, nigel farage is the household name. nigel farage was tice, nigel farage is the houone»ld name. nigel farage was tice, nigel farage is the houone who ame. nigel farage was tice, nigel farage is the houone who did. nigel farage was tice, nigel farage is the houone who did brilliantly age was tice, nigel farage is the houone who did brilliantly ine was the one who did brilliantly in the one who did brilliantly in the jungle. nigel farage of the jungle. uh nigel farage of this of course. of this parish of course. of course, the most popular programs station. i'm programs on the station. i'm a huge admirer says. are huge admirer of nigel says. are you bev? and i still think he's one of most significant one of the most significant politicians the last 30, 40 politicians of the last 30, 40 years got us the years because he got us the referendum. got got got referendum. we got we got we got brexit done , we got brexit and brexit done, we got brexit and the tories in my view, have surrendered some of the benefits of brexit. they just haven't delivered what we expected. >> absolutely. so gb views >> yeah, absolutely. so gb views at gb news. com is the email address that we want to hear from you this morning about the

cabinet ministers will lose the seat. >> jeremy hunt, the chancellor is out. penny morden remember she's by many as a future she's seen by many as a future tory the one who tory leader. she's the one who got that publicity because got all that publicity because she held the for hour she held the sword for an hour at coronation. of at the coronation. the leader of the be out. she's the commons, she'd be out. she's got majority of about 12,000. got a majority of about 12,000. attorney general is out, damning the grant shapps who we're going to hear from this morning. >> he he will be out. gillian keegan, education secretary out in simon hart welsh in chichester. simon hart welsh he's whip out johnny he's the chief whip out johnny mercer. yeah >> uh, the welsh secretary is out . andrew davies. out. andrew davies. >> yep. john redwood , lucy >> yep. john redwood, lucy frazer and gb news very own lee anderson would also be out. according to this poll. um, do you think, andrew, that they will all stick around to fight their seats? so these high profile ones will as well. but i think there's a sense isn't there's a lot of conservative mps are going before election. >> hunt is definitely >> jeremy hunt is definitely going to carry on. though going to carry on. even though i've spoken to people quite i've spoken to his people quite a this. so he's got a lot about this. so he's got a liberal democrat challenge. he used majority, about used to have a majority, about 28,000 it's now

28,000 down in surrey. it's now down to about 9000. they've been boundary changes. cut boundary changes. they've cut his constituency and his constituency in half and he's got the wrong half. so he but he have to stay because but he will have to stay because if chancellor down if the chancellor stood down just what would just for an election, what would that ian smith that look like ian duncan smith of he's very often on of course. he's a very often on this station. he's a backbencher now. he's got majority of now. he's got a majority of about 1500. he'll be swept away. yeah. away. and of yeah. swept away. um and of course mordaunt course penny mordaunt fancies her leader and her chances. the next leader and do still. do you still. >> i know rishi sunak did say we're aiming election in we're aiming for an election in the second half of the year. i've always thought it would be autumn i don't think autumn because i don't think there's enough good there's going to be enough good news the conservatives by news for the conservatives by may. but you're still not convinced, you? may. but you're still not conanced, you? may. but you're still not cona possibility?u? may. but you're still not cona possibility? in my view , >> a possibility? in my view, just just say the won just just say the tories won in may, the mayoral may, won the london mayoral election. because sadiq election. yeah. because sadiq khanis election. yeah. because sadiq khan is popular. that's an khan is not popular. that's an understatement. awful. understatement. he's awful. ghastly. ulez the extension of the ultra low emission zone really unpopular. yeah, it's a tory managed to win that. particularly if there's an independent candidate. independent labour candidate. that pad that would be huge. launch pad for election june or for a snap election in june or they go in may. i think they could go in may. i think they could go in may. i think the worry she's got and i'd be cams talked to him about this.

what if they haven't sorted the boats? what if the boat planes haven't taken rwanda? are haven't taken off to rwanda? are boats to be poor pouring boats going to be poor pouring across channel throughout across the channel throughout the how week does the summer? how does week does that him look? that make him look? >> that obviously is going >> and that obviously is going to the big talking to be one of the big talking points for tomorrow. so and tomorrow of course, where tomorrow of course, is where this going to be back this bill is going to be back in, two sides in, in parliament with two sides of conservative party, one of the conservative party, one saying too there are saying it's too soft, there are too ways in which appeals too many ways in which appeals can be made for those who are going be sent home from going to be sent home from rwanda. and there are those saying it's not hard enough , saying it's not hard enough, it's not hard enough, and he's caught the middle. yeah, caught in the middle. yeah, absolutely. it's an absolutely. so it's an interesting week. >> extraordinary. um, kemi badenoch, who is the business secretary? international business secretary. she has been leaked went the leaked that she went to see the prime minister's chief of staff to got to toughened to say it's got to be toughened up. bill. who leaked that up. the bill. who leaked that then? leaked that then? then? who leaked that then? could somebody close to could that be somebody close to kemi badenoch to try show kemi badenoch to try and show that tough hard and. that she's tough and hard and. yeah of potentially yeah thinking of potentially a leadership post a leadership contest post a general election? am i too

cynical? >> no such thing is too cynical, i'm afraid. um, the other story we're going to be discussing. are we just looking here? this is, this is lancaster house. is, um, this is lancaster house. this is where. uh grant shapps is going to make a speech this morning to talk about our position on the world stage. uh, i think people from a military point of view, the rochdale grooming situation, don't you? point of view, the rochdale groomingburnham , don't you? point of view, the rochdale groomingburnham commissioned >> andy burnham commissioned that report, which effectively hangs the police and the and hangs out the police and the and the system to drive for letting down those girls. very much going to be girls, won't they? >> that's right. i've been watching it live this morning . watching it live this morning. um, from greater manchester police's it's police's facebook feed. it's a big day for maggie oliver. a lot of you will be familiar with maggie. she runs maggie maggie. she runs the maggie oliver is oliver foundation, and this is about grooming gangs between about the grooming gangs between 2000 and 4 2013, and the sense that there's still no justice. maggie was just talking, saying there's still no justice for some of young women. now, some of these young women. now, of they are, there of course, as they are, there were girls at the time . we're were girls at the time. we're going be having charlie going to be having charlie peters the studio. going peters in the studio. he's going to telling us exactly what to be telling us exactly what was said. this morning, exactly

what that might mean for the victims, survivors victims, for the survivors and for protagonists who were for the protagonists who were covering up. >> and a suggestion that some of the who a threat to the men who were a threat to these girls are still at loose in the community, have not been pulled in. in the community, have not been puland n. in the community, have not been puland we know what the problem >> and we know what the problem was. the mainly white police force up there and the mainly white up there white social service up there treaded carefully, too treaded to carefully, too sensitively because of the racial issues, because the majority of the offenders were men of pakistani origin . well, men of pakistani origin. well, it doesn't matter what colour they are. if they are attacking on a systematic way and using girls as playthings , which is girls as playthings, which is what was happening. some of these were abused by 30 these girls were abused by 30 different these girls were abused by 30 diff itant these girls were abused by 30 diff it was the idea that >> it was the idea that political correctness trumped the of justice, and that the sense of justice, and that these were poor white girls. >> nobody cared about, nobody cared about them. from chaotic backgrounds and difficult families and school. uh, you know, in and out of school. >> there's a pattern here. rememberjimmy >> there's a pattern here. remember jimmy savile, how >> there's a pattern here. rememberjimmy savile, how he remember jimmy savile, how he picked his victims very carefully. they were often in children's homes, broken homes. and they did complain,

and even if they did complain, nobody to nobody pay any attention to them. not her. them. oh, not her. >> no, maybe. >> yeah. no, maybe. >> yeah. no, maybe. >> only a single parent. i >> maybe only a single parent. i mean, those these men in the grooming gangs were very cynically targeting girls who they they could away they thought they could get away with. get away with with. and they did get away with it years and it for years and years and years. shaming. years. it's shaming. >> and police seemed to >> and then the police seemed to just dismiss them because they were who that were the poor kids who that might known in the community. might be known in the community. oh, we know what she's like. i mean, the suggestion that mean, even the suggestion that some of these young girls were were somehow complicit in their sexual abuse and their rape that they were somehow leading these men on or in some way enjoying the experience. it's absolutely disgusting . disgusting. >> busting plied with alcohol, pued >> busting plied with alcohol, plied with drugs. yeah. and passed around like like rag dolls. the you know, the statements which we've been heanng statements which we've been hearing this morning, as i say, we will bring them to you a little later in the show are really incredibly damning. >> do hope it goes >> but i do hope it goes far enough. and i do hope that people are held to account. and in fact, one of the speakers this i it was

this morning, i think it was sarah rowbotham with sarah rowbotham who worked with maggie oliver, a former police officer, saying officer, and she was saying it shouldn't or shouldn't take a documentary or a drama to bring these issues to the because again, the fore, because yet again, there tv drama about these there was a tv drama about these three girls, three girls. >> yeah. that look, >> yeah. and that was look, we saw with post office. saw it with the post office. we've seen it with this. we're going to see it with other issues.i going to see it with other issues. i mean, does it take issues. i mean, why does it take a drama to galvanise the a tv drama to galvanise the system? the state, the government, whoever it is to do the right thing and talking of drama, thank you for staying with us. >> we're waiting for grant shapps. he's going to be talking in a minute. um is this drama this morning as well? we're going getting this going to be getting to this later show. so your later on in the show. so your favourite person, andrew? um, megan , is bit of a megan, this is a bit of a revelation, isn't it? this is the royal correspondent from the mail. >> yeah, robert's written a book. robert is so well plugged at robert hardman is so well plugged knows plugged in. he he he knows senior in that they senior royals in a way that they wouldn't look at me when i wouldn't even look at me when i did the royal beat. i never had the access. he's got unrivalled access. we remember we were all amazed meghan amazed that harry and meghan called daughter lilibet.

called their daughter lilibet. that the childhood of that was the childhood name of queen she couldn't queen elizabeth ii. she couldn't pronounce her own name, elizabeth. so mum dad called elizabeth. so mum and dad called her lilibet. princess margaret called her lilibet. so did prince was name prince philip. it was a name just for the chosen few. yeah, not only did they call a little bit, but harry and meghan told us queen had given her us the queen had given her approval when it approval and when the when it was she hadn't, legal was suggested she hadn't, legal threats being bandied threats were being bandied around by meghan, as per around by harry. meghan, as per usual , this says usual, this book says definitively not. so do do we recall that expression recollections may vary. >> yeah. i mean, you think why would that have upset the queen so much? because when you're so pubuc so much? because when you're so public and your identity is on the global stage , one of the the global stage, one of the most recognised people in the world, you have very little that you can claim as your own. i imagine from an identity point of view. and for her, it was this nickname of lilibet. and as you say, think her parents, you say, i think her parents, her her sister, her grandparents, her sister, her grandparents, her sister, her that's right, her sister. that's right, princess and 1 or 2, princess margaret and 1 or 2,1 or 2 other people were allowed to call her lilibet. otherwise it would have been i mean, this is a woman who her grandchildren

would genuflect to her when they walk the her grandchildren walk in the her grandchildren would, curtsy then to would, would curtsy and then to the that these two took the idea that these two took that name and stole it from that name and they stole it from her and put it in the public eye. and also she couldn't say anything. she couldn't say, i don't want you to use that name, because that would cast her as being mean. >> and robert, book, >> and robert, in his book, robert hardman's says that robert hardman's book, says that palace never seen the palace aides had never seen the late queen so angry. >> angry had never seen her as angry she was . and it wasn't angry as she was. and it wasn't necessarily when she she knew that the daughter was called lilibet, but was when the lilibet, but it was when the sussexes said that the queen had given the name her blessing. that was what incensed her. >> and they said if anybody suggests otherwise, they will sue for defamation. you know what sue for what they never did sue for defamation. legal letters went flying. sorry. shows that flying. i'm sorry. it shows that meghan and harry don't tell it straight. >> yeah, well, i think they're quite. they have sort of their own quite. they have sort of their oerhe weekend. we know the >> the weekend. we know that the idea that harry did not get a call william about the call from william about the death queen, not true, death of the queen, not true, according to this book, i

according to this book, and i believe, robert, rather believe, robert, i'd rather believe, robert, i'd rather believe would. believe robert haaland would. >> harry and meghan. yeah, absolutely. >> um, we're talking this morning. waiting grant morning. we're waiting for grant shapps on and us shapps to come on and tell us how money going to how much money we're going to spend global stage. spend on the global stage. getting that getting involved in wars that some might aren't some might say aren't necessarily our business. >> that's me. >> but that's just me. >> but that's just me. >> don't forget, last week we had sunak in, uh, ukraine had rishi sunak in, uh, ukraine pledging another £2.5 billion. uh, won't be uh, the money that won't be spent later in the year, spent till later in the year, when it even be that the when it might even be that the tories aren't power. tories aren't in power. >> what i think annoys me, >> but what i think annoys me, particularly about the ukraine money, lack auditing money, is the lack of auditing on is going to, on where that money is going to, and it doesn't feel like, as british people, we've had much of say into we should of a say into whether we should be of that money be spending all of that money over is a chaotic place over ukraine is a chaotic place and chaotic government. over ukraine is a chaotic place ancand1aotic government. over ukraine is a chaotic place ancand what government. over ukraine is a chaotic place ancand what always ment. over ukraine is a chaotic place ancand what always wast. over ukraine is a chaotic place ancand what always was before, >> and what always was before, you know, i know that when putin horrifically started bombing the east of ukraine, i'm not condoning that in any way, shape or form. >> but up until that point, the ukraine government was known as one of the most corrupt in the world. and suddenly they were cast as saintly on on the global stage and we opened our doors to

people from ukraine, which was a wonderful thing to do. but we also our chequebook also opened our chequebook and we checks, um, we continue to write checks, um, and you wonder, we're talking this morning about this lack of popularity with the conservatives. play conservatives. does this play into for that part of into it for you? is that part of the problem? do you feel like we've got potholes that be we've got potholes that can't be fixed? bins don't fixed? we've got bins that don't get don't work, the get painted, don't work, the trains and yet it trains don't work, and yet it feels like we this never feels like we have this never ending bank account when ending thing bank account when it comes to dishing out money to military action around the world. peter hitchens was writing about this at the weekend, and he he wrote a brilliant piece saying that actually, we're still sort of labouring under the illusion that we are a big player on the global stage when it comes to these sorts of events, and we need to get our own house in order before we start spending more and more hundreds of billions and also at war. >> were also in the >> we were also involved in the military action against the houthis. i mean, think they houthis. i mean, i think they were the right thing there were doing the right thing there because of free because the principle of free navigation be defended navigation has to be defended and and it's

and protected. yeah. and it's british merchant shipping. they're attacking as well. but again, could drag us closer again, it could drag us closer potentially to a conflict with iran who are funding the houthis . that's where the houthis are getting their missiles from. that's absolutely they're not some rag bag load of i mean, they funded of the they are funded by one of the most oppressive countries on the planet. you've got plenty of money. >> that's right. so what will grant shapps say this morning ? grant shapps say this morning? we're going to be going live to him moment to find out him in just a moment to find out what we will be spending on, on that particular issue . i that that particular issue. i that that particular issue. i that that has worried me. the red sea altercation , as soon as that altercation, as soon as that sort of was about six weeks ago now, maybe not even quite that long, i thought this has the potential to completely destabilise the middle east. of course, it is tied to events in gaza and israel . gaza and israel. >> and of course, the houthis say they're targeting only ships connected to israel. but that's a lie . they're targeting any a lie. they're targeting any ship that's going through that strait. where 12% world strait. it's where 12% of world trade through narrow trade goes through that narrow

strait which means strait of waterway, which means it's to have an impact on it's going to have an impact on inflation. it's going to have an impact on gas prices, oil prices. it's more than just prices. but it's more than just that. about the fact we've that. it's about the fact we've got to protect the rights of navigation. now told navigation. so now we're told hold here, that the hold your breath here, that the defence grant shapps , defence secretary grant shapps, who well lose his seat. who could well lose his seat. he's think he's is he's arrived at i think he's is he speaking in lancaster house? >> lancaster house. yeah. >> it is lancaster house. yeah. >> it is lancaster house. yeah. >> here he is. here's grant shapps. >> he gave short speech here >> he gave a short speech here at house. she spoke of at lancaster house. she spoke of her optimism about the changes taking place between east and west . barely two weeks later , west. barely two weeks later, the berlin wall fell . it was the berlin wall fell. it was a dawn of a new era . existential dawn of a new era. existential threats were banished and a new global feelgood factor for defence had begun . this was the defence had begun. this was the age of the peace dividend , the age of the peace dividend, the nofion age of the peace dividend, the notion that while our defences should be maximised at times of

tension , they could be minimised tension, they could be minimised in times of peace . now conflict in times of peace. now conflict didn't disappear , of course, but didn't disappear, of course, but with no great power menace in the world, peace gave the impression of being just around the corner . yet not everybody the corner. yet not everybody got the memo. in fact , our got the memo. in fact, our adversaries were mobilising the belligerent, autocratic state was making a comeback . having was making a comeback. having got away with his illegal annexation of crimea in 2014 and emboldened putin launched his brutal invasion of ukraine eight years later . brutal invasion of ukraine eight years later. and as russia continues its illegal campaign in ukraine, china is assessing whether the west loses its patience . today, russia and

patience. today, russia and china have been joined by new nuclear and soon to be nuclear powers. north korea promising to expand and its own nuclear arsenal . and then there is iran, arsenal. and then there is iran, whose enriched uranium is up . to whose enriched uranium is up. to 83.7, a level at which there is no civilian . back 83.7, a level at which there is no civilian. back in 83.7, a level at which there is no civilian . back in the days of no civilian. back in the days of the cold war, there remained a sense that we were dealing with rational actors . but these new rational actors. but these new powers are far more unstable , powers are far more unstable, irrational . can we really assume irrational. can we really assume that the strategy of mutually assured destruction that stopped wars in the past will stop them in the future? when applied to the iranian revolutionary guard or north korea ? i am afraid we or north korea? i am afraid we cannot , or north korea? i am afraid we cannot, particularly or north korea? i am afraid we cannot , particularly since there cannot, particularly since there is now another new worrying

consideration in our adverse stories are more connected with each other for example, we've seen how iranian proxies are causing havoc from israel to the red sea that russia has. what the two countries describe as a no limits partnership with china, with whom they conduct regular joint exercises . regular joint exercises. meanwhile putin is relying on iranian drones and north korean ballistic missiles to fuel his illegal bombardments in ukraine, where friends like these the world is becoming more dangerous and has done in recent years . and has done in recent years. but the other threats that plagued us at the start of the 21st century, well, they haven't gone away either . the spectre of gone away either. the spectre of terrorism and threats from

non—state actors , as october the non—state actors, as october the 7th showed, still haunts the civilised world. put it all together , and these combined together, and these combined threats risk tearing apart the rules based international order established to keep the peace after the second world war. today's world, then , is sadly today's world, then, is sadly far more dangerous, with the un reporting that we are facing the highest number of violent conflicts since the second world war. now some argue these threats are not existential to the uk and yet what happens elsewhere quickly happens here. in the past few years , in the past few years, we've seen terrorist attacks on the streets of london, attempted assassinations in salisbury , assassinations in salisbury, theft of intellectual property , theft of intellectual property, attempted interference in our political processes, a cost of living crisis brought to you by

putin. that's hurting hurting families here at home. and now our . trade, 90% of families here at home. and now our. trade, 90% of which comes by sea, is the target of terrorists , proving that not terrorists, proving that not only do our adversaries have the intent to target us, but they have a widening array of weapons with which to wreak havoc in our onune with which to wreak havoc in our online world. our adversaries don't need to fire a missile or board a submarine or strap into a fighter jet to hurt us. cyber warfare simply means hacking into our networks and watching the economic carnage unfold. last year, almost a third of british businesses suffered a cyber attack or breach, and the total cost to the uk economy will. that runs into billions. we know significant number of

those attacks come from russia and china , where they're also and china, where they're also developing satellite killing technology capable of degrading us from space. even mass migration can be cynically used as a weapon of war, as poland, norway and finland have been experiencing . in other words , experiencing. in other words, nafion experiencing. in other words, nation states plus non—state actors with greater connections between them. plus more creative weapons all adds up to a much more troubled world. and over the last decade , this government the last decade, this government has made great strengths, great strides in turning around that defence tanker , the refreshes of defence tanker, the refreshes of the integrated review and the defence command paper have been instrumental in ensuring that britain is defended in this more dangerous world. we have uplifted our defence spending, investing billions into

modernising our armed forces and bringing in a raft of next generation capabilities from our new aircraft carriers to f—35s , new aircraft carriers to f—35s, from new drones to the dreadnought submarine programme, from better trained troops to the creation of a national cyber force and the world has needed us. we have risen to the moment, giving ukraine unwavering support and galvanising others to their cause, including with our biggest ever funding package announced just last week . taking announced just last week. taking action. we've stamped out worked to stamp out the global ambitions of daesh . we've acted ambitions of daesh. we've acted on the forefront of the global response to maintain regional stability after october the 7th. by stability after october the 7th. by sending a royal navy taskforce group , a company of taskforce group, a company of royal marines surveillance planes and life saving aid to gaza and taking . a lead role

gaza and taking. a lead role within the global forces to protect freedom of navigation in the red sea . not only that , but the red sea. not only that, but we've also strengthened britain, britain's place in the world with expanded partnerships from the gulf to the indo—pacific . the gulf to the indo—pacific. we're playing a major part in stirring the west into a renewed commitment to defence. using our 2014 nato summit in newport to bnng 2014 nato summit in newport to bring the alliance nations together to stop the rot by committing to spending 2% of gdp on defence. and today, for the very first time, the government is spending more than £50 billion a year on defence in cash terms, more than ever before . and we've made the before. and we've made the critical decision to set out our aspiration to reach 2.5% of gdp on defence and as we stabilise and grow this economy, we'll continue to strive to reach that as soon as possible. but now ,

as soon as possible. but now, now is the time for all allied and democratic nations across the world to do the same thing and ensure their defence spending is growing to two. because as discussed, the era of the peace dividend is over. in five years time, we could be looking at multiple theatres, including russia , china, iran including russia, china, iran and north korea . to ask yourself and north korea. to ask yourself , looking at today's conflicts across the world, is it more likely that that number grows or reduces ? i suspect we all know reduces? i suspect we all know the answer. it's likely to grow so . so 2024 must mark an so. so 2024 must mark an inflection point for ukraine. this will be a year when the fate of their nation may well be decided for the world. this will be the greatest democratic year in history, with nearly half of the world's population actually going to the polls. and for the uk, it must also be a moment to

decide the future of our national defences . the choice is national defences. the choice is stark . some people, especially stark. some people, especially on the left, have a tendency to talk britain down. they believe britain can no longer have the power to influence world events, but we should somehow shrink into ourselves and ignore what's happening beyond our shores . i happening beyond our shores. i passionately believe these unpatriotic britain belittling doom mongers are simply wrong . doom mongers are simply wrong. their way would lead us sailing blindly into an age of autocracy . so we must take a different choice and the history of our great island nation actually shows us the way britain has often accomplished the seemingly impossible before our history is littered with moments when we faced down the threat and we have triumphed . but looking

have triumphed. but looking ahead , we are in a new era and ahead, we are in a new era and we must be prepared to deter our enemies, to lead our allies and defend our nation in terms of deterrence, it's about the uk gaining a strategic advantage over our enemies . the foundation over our enemies. the foundation of that advantage is, of course, on nuclear enterprise. at a time of mounting nuclear danger, our continuous at sea deterrent provides the ultimate protection . and that's why we're spending around £31 billion to bring in the next generation dreadnought submarines and upgrade our deterrent in a more contested world. we need to bring the same goal of deterrence to our conventional forces. so we've made modernising ocean a critical priority , taking the critical priority, taking the long terme compatibility

decisions that we need to transform our armed forces into a formidable deterrent, enabling them to maintain the uk's strategic advantage, empowering them to be able to deliver the outcomes we need in multiple theatres at once . the growing theatres at once. the growing success of that world was powerfully shown last week when , powerfully shown last week when, in less than 24 hours, the united kingdom was able to both take action to defend ourselves against the houthis and uplift, support to ukraine, to new record levels . if putin thought record levels. if putin thought that we would be distracted by events in the middle east and last week because of the long time decisions this government has taken, his hopes were surely . dashed in a complex world, no nafion . dashed in a complex world, no nation can afford to go it alone. so we must continue to strengthen our alliances so the

world knows they cannot be broken . defence is in many ways broken. defence is in many ways the cornerstone of our relations across the globe. our world leading armed forces cutting edge industrial base, willingness to support our allies is the reason why britain is the partner of choice for so many , and our amongst our many, and our amongst our partnerships, nato remains spain's pre—eminent 75 years after its foundation. today's nato is bigger than ever , but nato is bigger than ever, but the challenge is . and that's why the challenge is. and that's why the challenge is. and that's why the uk has committed nearly the totality of our air, land and maritime assets to nato . but in maritime assets to nato. but in 2024, i'm determined to do even more . and that's why i can more. and that's why i can announce today the uk will be sending some 23,000 personnel to

lead one of nato's largest deployments since the end of the cold war. exercise wise, steadfast defender . it will see steadfast defender. it will see our military joining forces with counterparts from 30 nato countries plus sweden, providing reassurance against the putin menace . our carrier strike group menace. our carrier strike group will be out in full force with our magnificent flagship hms queen elizabeth leading the way and flying from her decks will be the fifth generation f—35 lightning jets, a accompanied by a fearsome phalanx of frigates, destroyers and helicopters . destroyers and helicopters. we'll also have a submarine patrolling the depths, and one of our poseidon p—8 conducting surveillance from the skies above and more than 400 of our brilliant royal marines will be training in the arctic circle, contending with some of the

toughest environments anywhere on the planet . on land toughest environments anywhere on the planet. on land , we'll be on the planet. on land, we'll be deploying over 16,000 light merchant mechanised brigade combat team from the seventh light infantry , which superbly light infantry, which superbly led our recent response in in kosovo. all of which makes this our largest deployment of land forces to nato in 40 years. but nato is only part of our rich tapestry of partnerships. and this government has taken bold decisions to embark on the partnerships we need to defend ourselves from a more dangerous world. we're rapidly building our aukus partnership . and last our aukus partnership. and last month i signed a global combat air partnership , or gcap, with air partnership, or gcap, with japan and italy . these projects japan and italy. these projects are not just about building nuclear powered subs , sixth nuclear powered subs, sixth generation fighter planes , and

generation fighter planes, and innovating in all forms of defence. they're about sharpening our strategic edge. so we can maintain our advantage over our adversaries . they are over our adversaries. they are precisely the deep relationships needed to preserve national and regional security , and they're regional security, and they're emblematic of the way that we will work in the future . but it will work in the future. but it is not enough to simply deter. we must also go lead standing up for our values around the world and ukraine is a test case this year , its future may well be year, its future may well be decided and valiant ukrainian warriors have been incredible and successful in pushing back invading russian forces , invading russian forces, retaking 50% of the territory stolen by russia over signing up our defence secretary, grant shapps, who's still talking, but we have in our studio we have an

expert panel, sarah vine of course, colleague from the course, my colleague from the mail mark white. mail and mark white. >> a security editor, sarah >> i'm a security editor, sarah vine, who's listening to this. i don't anyone's listening don't think anyone's listening to his oratory, oratory >> i mean, his oratory, oratory skills are not fabulous. i mean, i think he needs to make a statement, but he could have just made a quick statement and then gone. it sounds like he's making some kind of prime ministerial doesn't it? ministerial pitch, doesn't it? >> i keep >> as i'm looking, i keep thinking, yeah, but you're going to your seat, because to lose your seat, mate, because if look poll if you look at that poll in front the telegraph today, 11 front of the telegraph today, 11 cabinet ministers will lose their including harding. cabinet ministers will lose thei including harding. cabinet ministers will lose thei mean, including harding. cabinet ministers will lose the i mean, includirthatarding. cabinet ministers will lose the i mean, includirthat poll}. cabinet ministers will lose thei mean, includirthat poll is >> i mean, i think that poll is quite interesting. i think it's >> i mean, i think that poll is q|ite interesting. i think it's >> i mean, i think that poll is q|i thinkzresting. i think it's >> i mean, i think that poll is q|i think it'sting. i think it's >> i mean, i think that poll is q|i think it's useful:hink it's >> i mean, i think that poll is q|i think it's useful poll it's a i think it's useful poll because i think it will galvanise conservative grassroots and grassroots campaigners and stuff. mean, suspect that's stuff. i mean, i suspect that's partly in the partly why it's in the telegraph. um, i think telegraph. yeah um, i think the tories they've got any tories will, if they've got any sense, just say, you sense, they'll just say, you know, reform, get know, vote reform, get, get laboun know, vote reform, get, get labour. that's, that's what's going reform going to happen because reform will conservative will split the conservative vote. you look at the vote. because if you look at the poll, there's reform poll, if there's no reform candidate standing, a hung parliament. >> if reform stand, it's a landslide labour 120 biggest landslide for labour 120 biggest majority in 97. majority since blair in 97. amazingly, yeah. >> so amazingly, yeah.

>> amazing. and so people need to know that that will be to you know that that will be the tories. i should imagine . the tories. i should imagine. that'll be their that'll be their now vote reform get their line. now vote reform get laboun labour. yeah >> let's bring mark >> let's bring in mark white because been because we have just been listening shapps drone listening to grant shapps drone on our role on the global on about our role on the global stage. did he have anything of particular to say there? particular note to say there? >> mark, listen, i find what you were saying interesting because, you highlighting some you know, he's highlighting some of challenges that we of the global challenges that we have world have in the new world environment, but nothing that's really new except for the announcement of the commitment of £20,000 british personnel to this huge nato exercise to mark the 75th anniversary. just, just let me just clarify that. >> so he's not talking about sending out troops to defend anybody, but to just send them out to have a little exercise, a bit of a drill, out to have a little exercise, a bit of a drill , 20,000 soldiers. bit of a drill, 20,000 soldiers. >> yeah. i mean, i think members of the armed forces would , uh, of the armed forces would, uh, probably take, uh , you know, uh, probably take, uh, you know, uh, except listen to the fact that there's a little exercise. these things are vital. of course , uh, things are vital. of course, uh, to honing the skills for working

together to face real life events . but i together to face real life events. but i think the difficulty here is that we've got, you know, this announcement of 20,000 troops with great fanfare, talking about the marvellous , uh, aircraft carrier marvellous, uh, aircraft carrier hms queen elizabeth and our f—355. hms queen elizabeth and our f—35s. yet we're facing currently a real world crisis in the red sea, where the americans have sent, quite understandably, their battle group, uss ise . and their battle group, uss ise. and our. that's played a pivotal role in the strikes in yemen. whether you , you know, think whether you, you know, think these strikes were a good idea or not, it's happening we sent four raf typhoons from cyprus on a 3000 mile plus round trip, uh, to yemen, because we don't have the capability with the naval assets that are down there. uh for land strikes, we don't have tomahawk cruise missiles on our frigates or destroyers, for instance, we have them in the submarines. we haven't sent submarine. right. we have with the aircraft carrier, our f—35s . the aircraft carrier, our f—35s. okay. few in number, about 30 or

so. and half of them are involved in training. but we still have about ten, 15 potentially could deploy potentially that we could deploy in an aircraft carrier down there part of this , if it there as part of this, if it makes sense for the americans to go close to yemen to launch those strikes, it would surely make sense for the do it. make sense for the uk to do it. however, there's all kinds of stories that have come out that the, uh, grant shapps and his team been, you quick team have been, you know, quick to that we can't to try to deny that we can't send carrier because of send the carrier because of a recruitment crisis in the navy . recruitment crisis in the navy. support ships are unable to support hms queen elizabeth. interestingly, one more i know i'm packing a lot in here, but the defence procurement minister speaking to camilla tominey yesterday said no, they're both they're they're both at readiness. that's readiness. they're both. that's hms queen elizabeth and hms prince of wales ready to be censured . the decision be taken. censured. the decision be taken. well why is the decision not being taken. this has been boiling on for weeks now. the threat that if yemen persists in doing what it will do, then we're going to strike back. so

it's persisted. we haven't sent any kind of carrier capability down there, and we're sending four typhoons from cyprus and a 3000 mile plus sarah. >> i mean, again, i just go back >> i mean, again, ijust go back to this poll. i mean, i mean, we're strutting our stuff on the international stage. very important military exercise, of course. but i mean, it just feels when i read this poll, course. but i mean, it just feels inien i read this poll, course. but i mean, it just feels in the read this poll, course. but i mean, it just feels in the endj this poll, course. but i mean, it just feels in the end game poll, course. but i mean, it just feels in the end game for., course. but i mean, it just feels in the end game for the conservatives. >> yeah. i mean, the election is going to be probably november for. think and you for. yeah. we think and you know, they're obviously know, so they're obviously trying galvanise themselves trying to galvanise themselves in anticipation that. i in anticipation of that. but i mean, i've said before, mean, i've said this before, you know, program, you know, know, on this program, you know, the conservatives could find a cure for cancer and no one would vote for them at this stage. they're because people, they're at because people, they're so unpopular. and they're just so unpopular. and that's the problem. and that's that's the problem. and it's i don't that's that's the problem. and it's it's i don't that's that's the problem. and it's it's necessarily don't think it's necessarily a rational thing, but it's definitely just a it's just a visceral thing. people are just cross and they've had enough and all the sort of chopping and changing of leaders and, and, and scandals and the sort of various scandals and the sort of various scandals and everything . people are just and everything. people are just worn them. worn out by them. >> if they'd stayed with boris,

do you think they'd be in a better place? >> i mean, i think they yes. i think have to think sometimes you just have to stick plan. even when stick with the plan. even when the gets tough and i think the plan gets tough and i think it's sort of that it's that sort of it's that running away from the running away from, from the focus that's really got focus that's, that's really got them into so much trouble. >> whatever you think >> i mean, whatever you think about a formidable about his, he's a formidable campaigner. and sure campaigner. and i'm not sure that when we that rishi is when you when we look what our viewers at home look at what our viewers at home have been saying, andrew as well, i mean, this bob well, i mean, this sarah bob says for the first time in my voting i'm now 63. voting life, i'm now 63. >> i won't be voting conservative. the reason is simple. a man of simple. sunak isn't a man of the people. just too out of people. he is just too out of touch to deal with lives of touch to deal with the lives of real despite probably real people, despite it probably being i'll be being a wasted vote. i'll be voting for reform. so many people saying that and pointing voting for reform. so many peo pointing g that and pointing voting for reform. so many peo pointing the at and pointing voting for reform. so many peo pointing the finger pointing voting for reform. so many peo pointing the finger at»inting sunak. >> this is the thing this gentleman knows that his vote will if he votes for will be wasted if he votes for it, but he's still going to do it. but he doesn't care because he's annoyed. and that's the he's so annoyed. and that's the difficulty they've is difficulty that they've got, is that people people are not that people are people are not stupid. understand stupid. they understand what will they reform. will happen if they vote reform. they understand there will they understand that there will be landslide, but

be a labour landslide, but they're just sort the stage they're just sort of the stage where just think, where they just think, i'm sorry, is enough. sorry, guys, enough is enough. >> want their voice heard. >> do you think it's the economy, immigration? >> both. >> both. >> think it's been around >> i think it's been around too long. >> i think it's a combination of factors. think have to say factors. i think we have to say that had a tough time with that they had a tough time with with obviously, with covid. yeah um, obviously, and picking the, the and sort of picking up the, the sort uh, the what was left sort of, uh, the what was left after brexit went so sort of horribly wrong. i think horribly wrong. but but i think that they've had two quite that so they've had two quite difficult, know, really difficult, you know, really major things. but i so you know as politics comedy it's as politics is like comedy it's all timing. you know all about timing. and you know they've they've had some they've had they've had some rotten luck but they haven't rotten luck is but they haven't really as as really handled it as well as they have i they could have done. and i think and going back to what you were saying before about johnson, have to johnson, i think you have to sometimes have to stick sometimes you just have to stick to your you know, and you to your guy, you know, and you have just push through and, have to just push through and, you know, stick to the plan instead which this instead of which all this chopping and changing just, chopping and changing is just, i think just people think i think people just people just they don't have any just don't they don't have any confidence in any of them. they don't half the cabinet confidence in any of them. they dc anymore. half the cabinet is anymore. >> yeah. is anymore. >> uh,�*|. is anymore. >> uh, laurie homer said, i'm over 70. i've always voted conservative. now. they are

conservative. not now. they are not they've not conservatives. they've become socialists become useless, woke socialists who of right who have lost sight of right versus one versus wrong and swing from one fear unthought through fear driven, unthought through idea i would idea to another. i would vote for and or nigel and for reform and or nigel and peter has said, my wife and i'll be voting reform because we are conservatives. our hopes is that our hope that nigel will take our hope is that nigel will take the lead, and some prominent real conservatives move to real conservatives will move to reform proper right real conservatives will move to reicentre proper right real conservatives will move to reicentre party. proper right real conservatives will move to reicentre party. we proper right real conservatives will move to reicentre party. we needr right real conservatives will move to reicentre party. we need reform of centre party. we need reform policies on energy and immigration, net zero, immigration, net zero, immigration, do immigration, not net zero. do you will see any you think we will see any conservative across conservative mps across to reform? rich richard reform? nigel rich richard tice seems that they will. seems to think that they will. >> i think the thing is, >> i mean, i think the thing is, it's lovely idea. um, and you it's a lovely idea. um, and you could see why they would want to do it, but reality is they do it, but the reality is they won't get a seat. so and a lot of, you and, know, of, you know, and, you know, politicians, know, if you're politicians, you know, if you're not parliament, you no not in parliament, you have no agency. so it's kind of it's agency. so it's a kind of it's tough talk. but at the end of the day, you know, people want to so that they can to be elected so that they can do their jobs. and that's not going with reform, going to happen with reform, i don't no, i think reform don't think no, i think reform is going to the lib is just going to be like the lib dems used to be. they're just going to fracture the vote and i

doubt much whether doubt very much whether they will actual seats. will take actual many seats. >> but of course, they would say our plan ten year plan. it our plan is a ten year plan. it isn't just for this election. what looking for the what we're looking for is the next and would be next election and would there be conservative would who conservative mps who would who would now? would they need now? >> has to be year >> this has to be their year because this is the year nigel has the jungle. nigel said has done the jungle. nigel said he's of his popularity. he's the peak of his popularity. he and he's still teasing us. he's or isn't he? he's isn't he or isn't he? i think he needs to. >> he needs he needs to get >> he needs to. he needs to get on with it or get on. yeah. >> and there's a seat. they've identified this poll, identified sitting essex, sitting clacton in essex, which they say he win. they say he would win. >> yeah he would. >> yeah, yeah i'm sure he would. i'm he would definitely win i'm sure he would definitely win that. >> e is he e— e is he going to be >> but then is he going to be one reform that will be in parliament. >> parliament. » m parliament. >> be five reform >> there might be five reform mps example. you know mps for example. you know they're going to pretty they're not going to be pretty lonely i think so and difficult. and the thing is, is that, you know getting from know what you're getting from all your reader, of your all of your reader, all of your viewers. idea this viewers. is this idea that this this conservative administration viewers. is this idea that this th not)nservative administration viewers. is this idea that this th not)n�*proper'e administration viewers. is this idea that this th not)n�*proper conservative tion is not a proper conservative administration. is not a proper conservative admito tration. is not a proper conservative admito do :ion. is not a proper conservative admito do :iorthey've tried to tried to do is they've tried to appeal to the middle ground, and they've tried go for a sort they've tried to go for a sort of more centrist approach. the

problem that is problem is, is that with that is that that you know, the that is that you know, the people you're chasing who are basically times readers basically sort of times readers and readers guardian readers, they're vote they're never going to vote conservative. they're always going to vote lib dem or labour. so giving lot of so you're giving away a lot of your political capital in pursuit that's not pursuit of something that's not probably going to actually come through you? through for you. do you? >> listening to >> mark? we just listening to grant shapps, who still grant shapps, who is still talking you talking apparently. um, do you feel you, your role here feel that you, in your role here as home security editor? as our home security editor? i've got clear view what i've got a clear view of what labour offer terms of labour would offer in terms of our strategy. our defence strategy. >> well, in terms of the defence strategy, yes, they say that they invest, uh, they are going to invest, uh, significantly the defence. significantly in the defence. they've really come up with they've not really come up with the but remember it the numbers. but remember it was under a labour government, uh, that actually commissioned that they actually commissioned the aircraft carriers hms queen elizabeth and prince of wales. that was a labour government that gave the go ahead for that massive. was that under tony blair, £10 billion under under tony blair's. blair, £10 billion under under tony blair's . uh, yeah. tony blair's. uh, yeah. >> but he was he wasn't really a labour government. he was very hawkish. >> he was rather. >> he was rather. >> did take us a

>> yes. he did take us into a war in iraq that a lot of us don't actually agree with. yeah, yeah. >> um, yeah. >> um, yeah. >> he was very much about, again, a little bit about appearing to be powerful on the global stage, but don't know global stage, but i don't know where i don't know where keir starmer i don't know what starmer position what keir starmer position would be lot of these issues. be on a lot of these issues. >> you do about immigration, >> do you do about immigration, which is great issue which which is the great issue which is many is infuriating. so many people ring well, of course, ring in and well, of course, tony is the is the genesis tony blair is the is the genesis of the of our immigration problem. >> yes, of course, he said, come on in. >> all problems, in my >> all our problems, in my opinion, flooded in. >> um, we had a tragedy over the weekend. >> mark, didn't we, with the, the crossings of five the migrant crossings of five people over lost people trying to cross over lost their lives. >> had our first on >> yeah, we had our first on saturday, actually, the first crossings, uh, of the year. um, andindeed crossings, uh, of the year. um, and indeed the first crossing since the 16th of december. so just almost a month , uh, because just almost a month, uh, because of horrific weather conditions, whatever the government says about doing to rwanda, about what it's doing to rwanda, then no , listen, anybody that then no, listen, anybody that knows anything about the maritime operations in the engush maritime operations in the english channel know that you just couldn't the small just couldn't push the small boats out with the wind, in

particular the wind conditions in the channel over the last month. they were just over 10 to 12 knots, which it's impossible for flimsy inflatables. for these flimsy inflatables. but the second it drops below that, that what happens inevitably insurers as night follows day, you get the people smugglers pushing these boats out. however, they were doing it over the weekend when, although the weather conditions improved, they didn't improve to the point where it was flat, calm and ideal for putting these boats. not that it's ever ideal for putting these flimsy things out, but at least flat , calm but at least flat, calm conditions. they were still putting in rough, putting them out in rough, choppy conditions . there were choppy conditions. there were multiple rescues took place choppy conditions. there were multipifrench|es took place choppy conditions. there were multipifrench side took place choppy conditions. there were multipifrench side of took place choppy conditions. there were multipifrench side of the< place on the french side of the channel on the french side of the channel, and this incident, in which a number of migrants had tried what they do is they push the boat out into the water, then everybody rushes into the to water scramble to get on board a few didn't make it. they were left flailing around in the freezing cold water. after one in the morning. freezing cold water. after one in the morning . the rescue in the morning. the rescue services attended, but five people died. um one person taken

to hospital with under cardiac arrest. so not far from the shore. then it was wimereux, uh, which was we don't actually in berlin and it just shows you how far the people smugglers are pushing these small boats off along a huge stretch more than 70 miles of stretch , you know, 70 miles of stretch, you know, from dunkirk, calais down to boulogne to try to evade whatever we might say about the french and their ability to stop french and their ability to stop french results to be fair to them, it's a big old stretch of coastline. they have increased their security. they are making a bit of a difference in in making the people smugglers go over a longer distance and that perhaps has led to a bit of a reduction. but i think most of the reduction in the numbers who crossed over the last year is down to the fact we've had a year of pretty rotten weather in the channel. >> just briefly, sir, if we go to break, cameron was doing the broadcast yesterday. david cameron, the foreign minister, foreign secretary, and he said

this got to get this shows why we've got to get the rwanda planes up in the air. >> yeah. i mean, do any of these people about the rwanda people know about the rwanda project? mean, it's a it's project? i mean, it's a it's a joke for them. >> a cross and kylie just >> i was a cross and kylie just before christmas, they're speaking the speaking to migrants in the camps. there and they told me that they just it's standing that they just it's a standing joke. when was first joke. when it was first announced april of 2022, uh, announced in april of 2022, uh, the actual, there was some real concern. people say, what does this mean for us? you know, and then there was a possible deterrent. almost two years on, nobody thinks it's ever going to happen. >> it's not it's not the deterrent. >> even if it's no right. sarah and mark, thank you so much. still to come this morning. do all scandals need a tv series before it before anything happens? it feels it? before feels like it doesn't it? before the post office saga, it was the bbc which has bbc drama three girls, which has inspired burnham's inspired andy burnham's independent into the independent review into the rochdale grooming gangs. we're going be talking about that going to be talking about that in a moment. don't go in just a moment. don't go anywhere. britain's anywhere. this is britain's newsroom

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news who's . news who's. >> ulez britain's newsroom on gb news andrew pearson bev turner. it is 1024 now. the report into grooming gangs in rochdale has been made public today. andy burnham, the mayor of greater manchester, press manchester, spoke to the press earlier, being published earlier, port being published today, finds unequivocally that failures that could and should have been avoided were in fact

repeated in the words of the report, it represents a, quote, lamentable strategic failure by leaders in the greater manchester system at the time . manchester system at the time. >> over many years, greater manchester police failed to give the investigation of these serious crimes the priority and resources necessary . resources necessary. >> well, joining us now is our reporters , charlie peters from reporters, charlie peters from manchester. good morning charlie, i watched as much of this as i could this morning. some of it was very emotional, wasn't it, in the room, particularly from some of the former police officers , such as former police officers, such as maggie oliver, who worked with these poor women ? that's right. these poor women? that's right. >> it was an explosive and emotional press conference filled with vindication for maggie oliver. the whistle blower who quit greater manchester police to expose the scandal , but manchester police to expose the scandal, but also for sarah rowbotham , who also was a part rowbotham, who also was a part of rochdale. rochdale council .

of rochdale. rochdale council. in describing the crisis as it was unfolding, she was ignored. she was lambasted , but today she she was lambasted, but today she had the opportunity to be shown that her story and her testimony was correct and that she was ignored by senior leaders, both in the police and the council. when she was making these complaints . and the report is complaints. and the report is damning, all 173 pages of it includes several instances of grave police and multi—agency failure. it also identifies some 96 men who still pose a risk to children. it says that the police ignored several avenues of potential investigation to get a grip on this child abuse scandal, and for that , the scandal, and for that, the greater manchester police chief constable , stephen watson, said constable, stephen watson, said sorry . i am so sorry that your sorry. i am so sorry that your childhoods were so irretrievably

blighted and scarred with such profound consequences as one of the primary responsibility of the primary responsibility of the police is to protect the vulnerable from the cruel and the predatory , and in this the predatory, and in this regard , we failed. regard, we failed. >> you . >> you. >> you. >> well , it >> you. >> well, it was an extraordinary moment because soon after stephen watson gave that apology, we then heard from maggie oliver, who directly lambasted the chief constable for what his his apology renee. and when she said the failings of the past were still continuing today. this report talks about the past . talks about the past. >> but what i want to do is to bnng >> but what i want to do is to bring it from the past into the present and into the future. because my work in the maggie oliver foundation now means that ihave oliver foundation now means that i have current information about what is going on today , today, what is going on today, today, and i would say categorically,

and i would say categorically, and i would say categorically, and i am sorry, mr watson, but the failures that happened then are still happening now . are still happening now. >> well, those are a particularly strong statement to make from maggie oliver, particularly because the failures of the past were so extreme . in a couple of the extreme. in a couple of the cases that we heard about today, one girl was named as a co—conspirator in her case without being informed. this had a deplorable effect on her mental health. and we also heard an extraordinary and disgusting story about a girl who had an aborted foetus, kept as dna storage within about her or her family being informed. so if what maggie oliver alleges that the failures of the past are happening today , then those are happening today, then those are extreme statements to make . extreme statements to make. charlie >> charlie peters there in manchester there. um, just extraordinary sarah vine that

we're still talking about this and that there are nearly 100 men still walking the streets and they know who they are and they know who they are. >> i have to say, this >> i mean, i have to say, this has been really difficult case has been a really difficult case because it's been to with because it's been to do with prejudice, prejudice prejudice, really, and prejudice against the girls themselves who were be of were considered to be sort of off the rails and, you know, this whole sort of victim this whole awful sort of victim blaming thing where, you know, it was felt they probably blaming thing where, you know, it was felwere they probably blaming thing where, you know, it was felwere young)robably blaming thing where, you know, it was felwere young andibly and they were young and promiscuous promiscuous and they were young and pro this uous promiscuous and they were young and prothis kind promiscuous and they were young and prothis kind of promiscuous and they were young and prothis kind of stuffmiscuous and they were young and prothis kind of stuff and, rous and they were young and prothis kind of stuff and, and, all this kind of stuff and, and, uh, and fear of offending, uh, a section of, of, of society . section of, of, of society. >> they were predominantly pakistani men. yes >> for sort of cultural sensitivity reasons . and i sensitivity reasons. and i remember i mean, we've been the mail has been doing this for a long time and i've written getting buckets dumped over every time. you know, i wrote about it or we wrote about it. you'd get these awful emails from people saying, you're racist, you're horrible. how you're hatred . and no , you're inciting hatred. and no, that wasn't the case. these people were doing awful illegal things and they should have been

stopped. but the whole reason they weren't was was because of this of cultural this sort of cultural sensitivity . maggie oliver sensitivity. maggie oliver should get a day. >> she she's she's heroic. >> she she's she's heroic. >> what she has done in kind of consistently and she's been banging on for years and years and years and she's incredibly brave, such an advocate. and she's had to put up with so, so many men. i'm sorry. >> yeah, yeah, it has been a it's also been a case that has really highlighted the sexism in the police system and the sort of bias against women and girls, particularly , which we've seen particularly, which we've seen in cases like sarah everard, you know, this sort of this, this, this sort of cultural, this ingrained culture of sexism against certain types of women . against certain types of women. >> maggie has done this in a amazing she has. and it's really and a statement that maggie has put online this morning, this is before the press conference and the review this morning. >> she says to my absolute certainty, this has been a travesty of justice. i was very vocalin travesty of justice. i was very

vocal in sharing this opinion with anyone who would listen to or give me a platform. my repeated protestations eventually led to this independent review 2018. so independent review in 2018. so for six years i have been for almost six years i have been sharing the truth with the review team. i have fought for the real life victims to be allowed to share their stories with that team in person. and she goes nature, i want to she goes on by nature, i want to trust the review team whom she goes on by nature, i want to trus'shared view team whom she goes on by nature, i want to trus'shared sow team whom she goes on by nature, i want to trus'shared so much.| whom she goes on by nature, i want to trus'shared so much. i whom she goes on by nature, i want to trus'shared so much. i hopevhom she goes on by nature, i want to trus'shared so much. i hope this| i've shared so much. i hope this report doesn't pull any punches and is a true reflection of how the incompetent destroyed many lives was a clear lives and it was a clear decision to stop the investigation. >> an to go further to cover >> an to go no further to cover it up, to ignore the girls . do it up, to ignore the girls. do you there should be you think there should be disciplinary action potentially even criminal action? >> i mean, don't think sorry >> i mean, i don't think sorry is really quite enough quite to be perfectly honest, there needs to and reform of to be root and branch reform of whatever system , like the post whatever system, like the post office, it? a well, office, isn't it? it's a well, apologise. i mean, this this apologise. i mean, this is this is scandal i think is a scandal that i think started the 90s, didn't it? started in the 90s, didn't it? i can't remember exact dates. can't remember the exact dates. i 2004 to 13 was, i think i think 2004 to 13 was, i think the of time that this is the period of time that this is looked the period of time that this is loo but early 2000 further back >> but early 2000 further back as well.

>> yeah. there are other cases that go further back, and that do go further back, and i just, know, feel that no just, you know, you feel that no one is really prepared to take responsibility and also responsibility for it. and also it's that andy it's interesting that andy burnham, mayor, is now burnham, a labour mayor, is now sort of. you know, getting sort of. yeah you know, getting behind it . sort of. yeah you know, getting behind it. mean, when behind it. i mean, again, when we doing it, the labour we were doing it, the labour party want to this. party didn't want to touch this. no. because of course it's no. yeah because of course it's their core. >> me some important >> you told me some important that is that constituency it is important it is labour important that it is a labour mayor that's saying this i think i think is. mayor that's saying this i think i thyeah. is. mayor that's saying this i think i thyeah. and all credit to him. >> yeah. and all credit to him. >> yeah. and all credit to him. >> right. we've got to move on. we're a bit late for the news, but coming up after the news red card lineker, pressure's card for lineker, pressure's growing sanction growing on the bbc to sanction gary lineker the presenter gary lineker after the presenter reposted for israel be reposted a call for israel to be punished fifa. that and much punished by fifa. that and much more morning's news more after your morning's news with sophia . with a very patient sophia. >> thank you bev, it's 1032. i'm >> thank you bev, it's1032. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb news room . robert o'brien and andrew room. robert o'brien and andrew kelly have been jailed for life at the high court in glasgow for the murder of 14 year old caroline glacken in 1996. the

pair , and a third person, donna pair, and a third person, donna marie brand , were previously marie brand, were previously found guilty of killing o'brien's 14 year old girlfriend, caroline glacken in 1996. during the trial, the court heard from victim's mother, margaret mckee , who said mother, margaret mckee, who said she did not approve of her daughter's relationship with o'brien because he was older than her. speaking outside court after the sentencing, she said this is a day we never thought would happen . the uk will send would happen. the uk will send 20,000 troops across europe as britain looks to counter an alarming rise in russian aggression. it will include deployments from the army, the navy and the raf in what's being described as the largest nato exercise since the cold war . the exercise since the cold war. the drill, which involves 31 nations, will see troops preparing for the invasion of a nato member state by any aggressor . aggressor. >> britain has often accomplished the seemingly impossible before. our history is littered with moments when we face down the threat and we have

triumphed . but looking ahead , we triumphed. but looking ahead, we are in a new era and we must be prepared to deter our enemies, to lead our allies and defend our nation . our nation. >> girls were left at the mercy of paedophile grooming gangs due to failings by senior police and council leaders. that's according to a comprehensive new report covering nearly ten years of failed investigations by greater manchester police . it greater manchester police. it highlights years of widespread organised sexual abuse of children in the rochdale area, despite what it described as compelling evidence reported to authorities as early as 2004, the mayor of greater manchester has apologised for the system's failings , and you can get more failings, and you can get more on all those stories by visiting our website at gb news. com . our website at gb news. com. >> for stunning gold and silver

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perspectives that i, and people that i knew had dewbs& co weeknights from six. >> oh, you're with britain's news i24news andrew pearson bev turner is about 1039. >> we've got our panel here, emma woolf and former labour adviser lazor. adviser matthew lazor. >> both good >> um, morning. both good morning. morning. >> can't stand gary >> look, i can't stand gary lineker. people listening and watching. him. watching. can't stand him. what's now so. what's he done now so. >> well, retweet tweeted >> well, he's retweet tweeted a call for a for israel to be banned from international football competitions and this

was the post. well because because of its perceived failings in the gaza war basically for genocide and um, uh, yeah , absolutely. i'm, i'm uh, yeah, absolutely. i'm, i'm merely being the conduit for the story. yeah. and he retweeted not only did he did he retweet this, but it was a controversial campaign group. so he's in trouble this morning. it appears we couldn't find it on his twitter feed when we were looking just now. so it may have been deleted. we think it may have deleted as our have been deleted as far as our as our eyes are. couldn't see it. haven't had kind it. uh, but we haven't had kind of, you know, official confirmation that it's been deleted, as were. but clearly deleted, as it were. but clearly the pressure the is the pressure from the bbc is building as as we building on him. um, as as we speak. it's getting a bit daft, isn't it? do you think he just. >> emma wants to be fired in a blaze of glory and then go and work another football work for another football channel he's on £4 channel because he's on 1.1. £4 million bbc, which is million from the bbc, which is eye—watering ridiculous eye—watering and ridiculous with taxpayers money. but but he could and for could go and work for a commercial football broadcaster and make times that amount. and make five times that amount. >> i don't wants to be >> i don't think he wants to be fired from the bbc. think he fired from the bbc. i think he wants his own and

wants to have his own way and keep doing he's doing. and keep doing what he's doing. and he's a child, isn't it? he's like a child, isn't it? every time you tell them not to do that, they'll it again. do that, they'll do it again. and know that this was and he must know that this was extremely controversial. he's i mean, it's gone. mean, we think it's gone. i don't bev's found it don't know if bev's found it yet. well, but it was up there for a couple of hours. it's clearly long enough to cause trouble. >> absolutely. trouble. >> to solutely. trouble. >> to provoke, enrage, >> to provoke, to enrage, long enough that. enough to do that. >> he's made his point, and he's shown that bigger shown again that he's bigger than though than the bbc. even though everybody else to follow the everybody else has to follow the rules and once again, he's he's got i mean, i think he got his way. i mean, i think he i think it has gone i think it has disappeared. >> and the bbc are scared of him has disappeared. >> and ofe bbc are scared of him has disappeared. >> and of thec are scared of him has disappeared. >> and of the huge scared of him has disappeared. >> and of the huge viewersf him has disappeared. >> and of the huge viewers heim because of the huge viewers he draws to that programme. how do they he's the reason they they know he's the reason they watch match of the day? watch it to match of the day? >> i just get this thing >> i just don't get this thing that presenter watching. that the presenter is watching. >> the stupid football match aren't they watching the football aren't they watching the fooand wouldn't they that >> and wouldn't they watch that if they were? and i'm if you know they were? and i'm a football fan i don't really football fan and i don't really care who's who's commentating? >> well, ratings up in >> well, the ratings went up in the two weeks he was off, but it was quite effective strike action fellow action because the his fellow punst action because the his fellow pundits secondary pundits took a secondary action. if a trade union,

if they were in a trade union, it would be illegal and they suddenly didn't appear. so there were at all. and then were no pundits at all. and then the ratings up. i mean, the ratings went up. i mean, i just think they're punditry is irritating and people irritating and boring and people just want watch the just want and want to watch the actual want to watch the actual they want to watch the actual highlights. i mean, i think interesting about think what's interesting about this needs to make this is the bbc needs to make a decision. does it to have decision. does it want to have a, know, does it does it a, you know, does it does it think gary lineker and a few hundred people extra hundred thousand people extra watching as watching match of the day as they perceive is more they perceive it is more important than having endless political rallies, which is just dragging we all tried be >> don't we all tried to be really careful about this issue. i'm just thinking about i wouldn't you wouldn't retweet, you know, whatever views on israel, whatever my views on israel, this a really real tinderbox whatever my views on israel, this situation. real tinderbox whatever my views on israel, this situation. yeah,:inderbox whatever my views on israel, this situation. yeah, liderbox whatever my views on israel, this situation. yeah, i think�*x of a situation. yeah, i think we've be really we've all tried to be really careful, really sensitive. he hasn't. i think that's what it comes. >> tell you what worries >> i'll tell you what worries me is lot of people on is that a lot of people on the liberal left, were, sort liberal left, as it were, sort of rush to his defence. i'll tell you what, he'll be tweeting just to attention grab just as much to attention grab and clickbait under labour and clickbait under a labour government will under the tories. >> but why does why is the bbc so ratings? i've so obsessed by ratings? i've never this. they never understood this. they don't chase ratings.

don't need to chase ratings. they're not a commercial organisation. that depends on ad revenue. is revenue. the ad revenue is higher. the audience revenue. the ad revenue is higheryeah, the audience revenue. the ad revenue is higheryeah, bbce audience revenue. the ad revenue is higheryeah, bbc don'tience revenue. the ad revenue is higheryeah, bbc don't need share. yeah, the bbc don't need to chase. no, they shouldn't be chasing to chase. no, they shouldn't be chawhat the reach is >> what the bbc reach is important for the bbc so that at least people dip in and most people feel they have a reason and pay that and a relationship to pay that licence but mean, licence fee. but i mean, just chasing ratings is daft. and look, know, this is it. it's look, you know, this is it. it's just kind of national just becoming a kind of national sport. will gary say this sport. what will gary say this week and how will the week and how pathetic will the bbc in response? well, bbc be in response? well, looking what actually looking at what he actually retweeted. looking at what he actually retwee this the looking at what he actually retweethis the palestine >> so this is the palestine palestinian campaign for the academic cultural boycott academic and cultural boycott of israel, challenges israel israel, challenges that israel apartheid via academic, cultural, anti cultural, sports and anti pinkwashing campaigns and they are should are saying that israel should not take part in not be allowed to take part in sports events effectively. and thatis sports events effectively. and that is what gary lineker is. >> they say it should be removed from global tournaments from all global tournaments until it ends its grave violations of international law. >> they? >> which ones are they? >> which ones are they? >> the pro—palestinian campaigners. >> but but no reference to what? to what hamas did exactly on october for lineker to retweet. >> that is pretty inflammatory . >> that is pretty inflammatory. >> that is pretty inflammatory.

>> i mean, because it's all part of this academic boycott, which is being very controversial, particularly within the university lecturers union, particularly within the univer some cturers union, particularly within the univer some people union, particularly within the univer some people are>n, particularly within the univer some people are left where some people are left because university lecturers because the university lecturers union motion was union passed a motion which was kind of, of a kind of supportive of, of a boycott. it's a bit more, boycott. um, it's a bit more, you know, it's a slightly more nuanced, uh, know, nuanced, but but, uh, you know, so not exactly like it's, so it's not exactly like it's, it's motherhood and apple pie. he's his he's tweeting. it's his controversial, isn't. and controversial, um, it isn't. and of course, of the reasons of course, one of the reasons they about when he they say about gary when he talks uh, immigration or talks about, uh, immigration or whatever it's not whatever is that it's not directly about directly part of he talks about football bbc. this is football on the bbc. this is about . so is this the about football. so is this the killer? in his own killer? exactly. it's in his own backyard. has gone too far? >> this time? >> this time? >> he's gone too far every time. yeah. look you know, i mean, some some of what gary says, i agree with i don't agree with this, some of what he tweets this, but some of what he tweets i agree with. >> but the problem is i was at the bbc for 15 years. uh, it felt like it anyway. and, um, the bbc for 15 years. uh, it felt know, anyway. and, um, the bbc for 15 years. uh, it felt know, them's. and, um, the bbc for 15 years. uh, it felt know, them's wasi, um, the bbc for 15 years. uh, it felt know, them's was rules. i you know, them's was rules. i had my own political views. i had my own political views. i had to keep them under for had to keep them under wraps for those for my time at the bbc. gary needs the same. we gary needs to do the same. we all play rules. all play by the rules. >> you were of that in left >> you were part of that in left wing bias.

>> oh, that's not what. >> oh, that's not what. >> that's not what the labour spin doctors used to tell me. when complaints. when i get complaints. got complaints when i get complaints. got complairwe know 15 years. and >> now we know 15 years. and then job was working then his next job was working for ed miliband. >> was a seamless transition >> it was a seamless transition from the bbc. it was literally from. well, yes, done from. well, yes, fully done it very i was made very efficiently. i was made redundant. well, talking of seamless no. redundant. well, talking of seamyou no. redundant. well, talking of seamyou are no. redundant. well, talking of seamyou are when no. redundant. well, talking of seamyou are when you no. redundant. well, talking of seamyou are when you lose 10. redundant. well, talking of seamyou are when you lose an election. >> yeah. they've lost a lot of those. >> yeah. which brings us on to our next story, which is this telegraph front page, emma, which is saying that the tories are to face a 1997 are going to face a 1997 style general election. wipe—out. they'll seats. they'll retain just 169 seats. labour with labour would sweep to power with 385 was an election 385 if there was an election called, i guess, today, and that every red wall seat gained in 2019 under boris johnson would be this is a be lost to labour this is a pretty page, pretty devastating front page, isn't tories? when you look, >> the tories? when you look, you the photo , you look you look at the photo, you look at choice of photo, isn't it? >> yeah, if that was on, if that was on news. >> but if it was on the front page of the guardian, you wouldn't, you wouldn't bat an page of the guardian, you wou becauseu wouldn't bat an page of the guardian, you wou because you uldn't bat an page of the guardian, you wou because you would bat an page of the guardian, you wou because you would expect it. eye because you would expect it. this is a tory graph and it's pretty full mean, lots of pretty full on. i mean, lots of tories as say. know

tories as you say. we know they're already looking to their next careers. yeah. lots of tory mps to be even mps i think are going to be even more so, kind of dusting off their rolodex, totally checking more so, kind of dusting off theiwhat)dex, totally checking more so, kind of dusting off theiwhat they're tally checking more so, kind of dusting off theiwhat they're tally chec do g out what they're going to do next, thinking next, maybe thinking about crossing floor, maybe crossing the floor, maybe thinking making thinking about, you know, making shimmying over more byelections, whatever. a small >> but should there be a small note scepticism about this, note of scepticism about this, beanng note of scepticism about this, bearing mind this poll, which bearing in mind this poll, which is people who yougov but is 14,000 people who yougov but it's by an organisation it's funded by an organisation called alliance. >> heard of it, no, >> i've never heard of it, no, but apparently they were working in uh, lord in coalition with, uh, lord frost. former european frost. uh, the former european minister. on the right minister. yeah. and on the right of the tory party, which is he's obviously he writes for the telegraph. so obviously telegraph. so he's obviously it's cahoots with it's obviously in cahoots with the telegraph in terms of they're them they're giving it to them exclusively think exclusively because they think rishi proper rishi sunak is not a proper conservative. absolutely. >> it's conservative. conservative. absolutely. >> i it's conservative. conservative. absolutely. >> i agree; conservative. conservative. absolutely. >> i agree with,ervative. conservative. absolutely. >> i agree with, of 'ative. conservative. absolutely. >> i agree with, of course. and this ahead of the rwanda uh, this is ahead of the rwanda uh, vote, expected later in vote, which expected later in the which might them the week, which might give them all of, you know, fuel all some sort of, you know, fuel in tank. i think we might in their tank. i think we might come on and talk about it. also, there's poll funded by there's been a poll funded by our in banks, the, the, the leave guy, in clacton in leave guy, um, in clacton in the, the ukip the, in the seat which the ukip did um, when they were

did hold, um, when they were crossing douglas carswell when saying that um, that's the seat that should win and that the farage should win and that's the seat he should stand in election, and that's that's the seat he should stand in try election, and that's that's the seat he should stand in try andelection, and that's that's the seat he should stand in try and encourage d that's that's the seat he should stand in try and encourage him. t's that's the seat he should stand in try and encourage him. so to try and encourage him. so it's quite interesting that from two tory right wing groups, um, or of the or sections of the, of the families, right wing families, their right wing families, their right wing families are trying to put pressure about the pressure on rishi um about the electoral pressure on rishi um about the ele�*yetal pressure on rishi um about the ele�*yet he knows he goes too >> yet he knows if he goes too far, it on the rwanda he's not going far enough for me. >> on the left of the >> people on the left of the party, he's got a revolt. they're coming from both sides. >> when you >> exactly. and that's when you know, really trouble, >> exactly. and that's when you know,you're really trouble, >> exactly. and that's when you know,you're getting trouble, >> exactly. and that's when you know,you're getting ittrouble, >> exactly. and that's when you know,you're getting it from.e, >> exactly. and that's when you know,you're getting it from both when you're getting it from both sides. course, one of the sides. and of course, one of the interesting things this interesting things that this poll the telegraph says to poll says, the telegraph says to us there will be many us is that there will be many portillo moments those of us portillo moments for those of us old can remember when old enough can remember when michael portillo, uh, yeah. well, portillo lost well, michael portillo lost shapps who, if you still speaking south well speaking at at lang south well deserves to be. >> i think he's only just stood down because he's been on for about 55 minutes. >> so he's on the list. >> on list. the chances exchequer. >> the chancellor is definitely the toast because the liberal democrats that. the toast because the liberal derabsolutely. that. the toast because the liberal derabsolutely. um that. the toast because the liberal derabsolutely. um in1at. the toast because the liberal derabsolutely. um in total, 11,

>> absolutely. um in total, 11, including some unlikely including in some unlikely labour banbury um, to labour gains like banbury um, to take out the attorney general who sits for banbury . who sits for banbury. >> so it would be very wounded by this poll because she thinks she's a chance of being she's got a chance of being leader penny leader next time it's penny morden. she's leader of the morden. she's the leader of the commons. run. she commons. she's run. before she got that publicity for got all that publicity for holding a sword. don't quite know made her a tory. know why that made her a tory. >> she did the nation proud. >> oh, embarrassing. proud. >> yeah.mbarrassing. proud. >> yeah. yeah.assing. proud. >> yeah. yeah. embarrassing yeah. >> e"- yeah. >> believe defending tory. >> i know, i mean, but i mean, she's got a majority of over 12,000, so that shows how vulnerable tories are. vulnerable these tories are. >> they'd be to down 160. >> they'd be to down 160. >> starmer would have. >> starmer would have. >> exactly the same >> it's almost exactly the same number they 1997. number they had in 1997. and then seat majority starmer. number they had in 1997. and then sea'ofrajority starmer. number they had in 1997. and then sea'of course starmer. number they had in 1997. and then sea'of course if starmer. number they had in 1997. and then sea'of course if they rmer. number they had in 1997. and then sea'of course if they don't >> yeah of course if they don't vote reform it's hung parliament. >> so that's going to be the tory. >> and i think that's party reform. >> you get a labour landslide. >> you get a labour landslide. >> absolutely. i think this poll will be used used by that. hey you vote reform. you get you get vote reform. you get you get a labour and get get a labour landslide and b unless rishi puts more of his tanks on reforms territory, tanks on the reforms territory, you're get a labour landslide. >> but our viewers who message us their thousands are saying

us in their thousands are saying even know for even if we know our vote for reform will mean that get reform will mean that we get a labour government, we are so willing the willing to give the conservatives bloody nose. we will. >> e’ e'- e of those reform >> and some of those reform voters ex—labourvoters, voters of ex—labour voters, people this. you know, people forget this. you know, when who stop me when i meet people who stop me on gb news, they up to me on gb news, they come up to me and well, i used to vote and say, well, i used to vote laboun and say, well, i used to vote labour. um, i voted labour all my life. i tory once. i'm my life. i voted tory once. i'm going do reform. so the going to do reform. so the tories think that reform tories do not think that reform is a block of tory voters chopped off labour because labour represent and labour no longer represent and richard this last labour no longer represent and richa of this last labour no longer represent and richa of reform. this last week of reform. >> and i said to them, you know, are with the are you comfortable with the fact you basically to fact that you basically going to let labour in through the back door and said, got door and they said, you've got to the way you believe. and to vote the way you believe. and it point, but it's it is a good point, but it's also the problem. >> it is a longer tum plan. i think, it? think, isn't it? >> and it's part of the problem for labour, because if they do lose some votes to reform keir starmer his mind. starmer changes his mind. >> it seems other on >> it seems every other week on something know something we don't really know what stands for. what he stands for. >> well, i think we do know what he stands for. yeah, i think we know. well he's got know. well i think he's got well, months and well, he's got six months and

he's set it out more he's got to set it out more clearly and he's to appeal. clearly and he's got to appeal. you why these people go you asked why these people go from been saying from we've been saying that we've think we've been i look i think i think he does have think think he does have i think he does have a clear plan. i think think he does have i think he do is he? >> yeah. well i'll tell you what can wake up. yeah, absolutely. because. were on because. because if he were on the french police we're the french police and we're giving the giving up giving money to the french, money french, we're just wasting money at it to the at the moment. giving it to the french. if was if french. if we if this was if this was product, we take it this was a product, we take it back to the shop and shout at them until actually value back to the shop and shout at the money. actually value back to the shop and shout at the money. ethat'sy value back to the shop and shout at the money. {that's what value back to the shop and shout at the money. {that's what we je for money. and that's what we should for money. and that's what we shoild for money. and that's what we sho i ld the for money. and that's what we shoild the idea of police >> i love the idea of our police on soil. >> i love the idea of our police on i soil. >> i love the idea of our police on i love soil. >> i love the idea of our police on i love the. >> i love the idea of our police on i love the idea that starmer >> i love the idea that starmer has all these brilliant policies, but he's keeping policies, but he's just keeping them keeping them quiet. no, he's not keeping them quiet. no, he's not keeping them to >> i think it needs to come. i think his appeal needs to come together. we together. and i think we need and more about his and he talks more about his values what prime values and what sort of prime minister he'll but i'm glad minister he'll be. but i'm glad that specifics. we know that he's on specifics. we know he's clean

he's going to clean our children's exactly when children's teeth exactly when he gives specifics, then you you can't with you guys know can't win with you guys know what's going decisive is what's going to be decisive is a reform, and b people who just don't turn out kids are going to be taller under labour a lot of people are not. >> are to be taller. >> kids are going to be taller. >> kids are going to be taller. >> was >> that was that was a particularly unfortunate >> that was that was a particulaion unfortunate >> that was that was a particulaion unf0|this|te >> that was that was a particulaion unf0|this rather headline on into this rather nice little minor public school. >> you've and scrimped nice little minor public school. >> scraped, re and scrimped nice little minor public school. >> scraped, re way,i scrimped nice little minor public school. >> scraped, re way, find mped nice little minor public school. >> �*because e way, find mped nice little minor public school. >> �*because they're nay, find mped 20% because they're going to shove affect a shove vat on it won't affect a single eat, my dean >> what it is going to do is raise the money pay raise the money that will pay for mental health for the extra mental health appointments and the other things. announced the child health plan last week. >> yeah, it's got to pay for quite isn't it? quite a lot, isn't it? >> adds up all >> exactly. adds up and all the costings come is costings will come out as is customary the customary before before the election and but he, you say he always talks about immigration. he immigration always talks about immigration. he conference immigration always talks about immigration. he conference speech,igration always talks about immigration. he conference speech, whichn always talks about immigration. choughtiference speech, whichn always talks about immigration. choughtiferera a speech, which n always talks about immigration. choughtiferera mistake. whichn i thought was a mistake. he has now been clear on the now been very clear and on the front on labour's to front foot. on labour's plan to smash . right. um, and smash the gangs. right. um, and really tackle the problem which the use the tories haven't use anti—terrorism legislation, for example. the tories refused to do um, we talk about the >> um, should we talk about the queen out our lovely late queen being out our lovely late queen, who , as we've learned queen, who, as we've learned today, emma in the daily mail, very reliable royal journalist , very reliable royal journalist, wrote that the queen has never was never seen as angry as she

was never seen as angry as she was when the sussexes said that she'd given their blessing to them, calling their daughter lilibet . lilibet. >> that's a brilliant story and it just absolutely rings true. rings true, doesn't it? hardman in who is in the daily mail who is incredibly reliable , impeccably incredibly reliable, impeccably sourced, new book, charles sourced, his new book, charles the third new king, new court the story, coming out. the inside story, is coming out. it's serialised the it's being serialised in the mail, love this. the mail, and i love this. the decision name lilibet in 2021 decision to name lilibet in 2021 raised eyebrows . raised eyebrows. >> yeah, you can see her absolutely right. got you. >> i think the thing that wins a lot of people up is that meghan and harry to come out and and harry had to come out and claim this was done with her sanction, blessing . you sanction, with her blessing. you know, think she would know, i don't think she would have would have i don't think she would have i don't think she would have way if they have reacted in any way if they had simply named her lilibet, which the late which was, remember the late queen's name? yeah. an queen's childhood name? yeah. an affectionate childhood name. she couldn't say her own name , couldn't say her own name, elizabeth properly, so she apparently said lilibet. and that's of what she was called. >> and very few people were allowed just the allowed to use it. just the closest affection circuit because it's a childhood thing. >> yeah. and apparently the queen infuriated by

queen was quite infuriated by this. again, recollections may vary that, know, classic. vary that, you know, classic. um, it just shows they like royal like it shows royal line. they like it shows they they employed they lie because they employed expensive lawyers to try to close people down from saying anything horrible anything else. these horrible lawyers, onto people who who even questioned this naming of lilibet, who's only been to the uk once. >> there's no kind of subtlety or no sort of nuance to or there's no sort of nuance to the think the sussexes, the way they think the sussexes, if the queen had just said, oh, lovely. they've taken that lovely. yes they've taken that as her giving her approval, they'd never there's no competing with either of them. >> no. >> no. >> and it's like, you know, it's dragging, it's trying to drag her into the spin war wasn't it might um, and they're might just be um, and they're briefing journalists because what she what could she do? >> she say, don't >> she couldn't say, i don't want to because that >> she couldn't say, i don't want sound because that >> she couldn't say, i don't want sound absolutely,|se that absolutely. >> but it , as so absolutely. >> but it, as so rightly >> but it, as emma so rightly says, it's not so much, what says, it's not so much, um, what they claim. it's them. the fact that they then go into the process how was claimed, process of how it was claimed, who to who and use who said what to who and use people game people as pawns in their game with the press and they and then that a legal game that becomes a legal game hypocrisy of leaving the country and, their and, you know, turning their

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suggests today. labour would sweep into power with a huge majority. you turned your majority. have you turned your back on the tories? we want to hear and tell us why hear from you and tell us why and left at the mercy of the grooming gangs breaking the last houn >> andy burnham, the mayor of greater manchester, has said the police fail protect those police fail to protect those young . let's young girls in rochdale. let's have a listen. >> over many years, greater manchester police failed to give the investigation of these serious crimes the priority and resources necessary and get tough on rwanda. >> conservative mps are demanding that the prime minister toughens up the rwanda bill today. many high profile mps are threatening to resign if he doesn't . he doesn't. >> and our late queen's fury bombshell revelations in a new book revealed her majesty the queen elizabeth was infuriated by harry and meghan, claiming she'd given her blessing to their daughter being named lilibet, which was her childhood nickname. we have all the details .

details. on that and her fury was rare, but in quite a sight to behold. >> yeah, i think grant shapps has stopped talking now. i doubt it as far as we know. right shapps watch proves that he has stopped talking, but he was spelling out this morning a little bit about what we're going be doing our defence going to be doing in our defence strategy. we'll tell you a bit about well. with our about that as well. with our panel about that as well. with our panel. if we stay awake long panel. if we can stay awake long enough what he to enough to hear what he had to say. news. com is say. gb views at gb news. com is the address first though, the email address first though, the email address first though, the sophia the very latest news with sophia wenzler . wenzler. >> thank you bev. good morning. it's 11:01. i'm >> thank you bev. good morning. it's11:01. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. the uk. will send 20,000 troops across europe as britain looks to counter an alarming rise in russian aggression. it will include deployments from the army and the navy and the raf in what's being described as the largest nato exercise since the cold war. the drill, which involves 31 nations, will see

troops preparing for the invasion of a nato member state by any aggressor. defence secretary grant shapps is calling it a vital reassurance against the putin menace . against the putin menace. >> britain has often accomplished the seemingly impossible before. our history is littered with moments when we faced down the threat and we have triumphed . but looking have triumphed. but looking ahead , we are in a new era and ahead, we are in a new era and we must be prepared to deter our enemies, to lead our allies and defend our nation . defend our nation. >> two people have been jailed for life for the murder of a 14 year old, caroline glacken, in a historic murder case dating back to robert o'brien and to 1996. robert o'brien and andrew kelly were found guilty of killing the schoolgirl more than 27 years ago. a third person, donna mary brand , person, donna mary brand, remains in hospital and will be sentenced at a later date, the court heard that the victim had beenin court heard that the victim had been in infatuate dated with

o'brien before she was killed, in what prosecutors described as a violent and horrific attack. speaking outside court after the sentencing, the victim's mother, margaret mccuish, spoke of her long wait for justice, saying it's a day we thought would never happen . girls were left at never happen. girls were left at the mercy of paedophile grooming gangs due to failings by senior police and council leaders. that's according to a comprehensive new report covering nearly ten years of failed investigations by greater manchester police . it highlights manchester police. it highlights years of widespread organised sexual abuse of children in the rochdale area, despite what it described as compelling evidence reported to authorities as early as 2004. it found that a reluctance among children to make formal complaints was often used as an excuse to avoid investigation . greater investigation. greater manchester police chief constable stephen watson says the report paints a damning picture for the findings, evidenced within it are shocking , stark and shameful.

>> it speaks to the systemic failure of various agencies to pull together and do the obvious and the right thing , and above and the right thing, and above all, it outlines in painful detail all of those missed opportunities where decisive action could and should have been taken . been taken. >> an israeli footballer who was detained in turkey for displaying a message written on a bandage may be sacked from his club . text reading 100 days 710 club. text reading 100 days 710 could be seen written on player sagiv yehezkel arm , a reference sagiv yehezkel arm, a reference to israel's ongoing conflict with the hamas terror group. turkish prosecutors launched an investigation on charges of inciting people to hatred and hostility. he was released earlier this morning and is expected to arrive back in israel today . junior doctors in israel today. junior doctors in wales are starting a three day walkout over pay . it'll last walkout over pay. it'll last until thursday morning and could see over 3000 doctors taking industrial action in. the welsh

government says the impact on services will be significant , services will be significant, but insists urgent care will continue. the doctors trade union says pay has eroded by almost a third since 2008. drivers are increasingly being left with punctured tyres and broken wheels as potholes lead to record levels of breakdowns, call outs due to potholes topped 632,000 last year, which was a five year high, according to figures from the aa. there part of the pothole partnership, a new coalition that's marketing today's national pothole day with a five point plan for governments to repair our roads. it includes replacing temporary patches with long terme fixes and speeding up the time it takes to complete repairs. a charity says parents are experiencing complete chaos as they try to access a new government scheme that's meant to provide 15 hour of free childcare. a survey of more than 6000 parents across england found that just 11% were able to

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back to andrew and. bev. >> five migrants died yesterday after a small boat got into difficulties just off a french beach. difficulties just off a french beach . so joining us now is our beach. so joining us now is our home security editor, mark white, and the daily telegraph columnist madeline grant. good morning both, madeleine morning to you both, madeleine wants to you well wants to talk to you as well about telegraph front page about this telegraph front page in just moment. but, mark, in just a moment. but but, mark, let's yesterday. let's talk about this yesterday. what might be what happened? who who might be to this? to blame for this? >> was criminal people >> it was criminal people smugglers who pushed these small boats out into the english channel. unless than ideal conditions . but it was the first conditions. but it was the first boats this weekend and who had crossed the english channel successfully since the 16th of december. so pretty much a month, because really bad weather conditions in the channel the weather improved to the point where it was just about passable. and of course the people smugglers on the other side, well, you know, they care very little for those who are pushing out into the channel except for the fact that, of course, deaths are bad for business in their eyes. uh, but

when the weather conditions are up to the extent where they can make it, they push them out. >> why don't they just arrest them? they know they i them? they know who they are. i keep being told they know who they advertise they are. they advertise on tiktok , they mark their wares. tiktok, they mark their wares. these people smugglers, it's extraordinary. >> they certain >> yeah, well, they have certain intelligence . intelligence. >> whether can prove in >> but whether you can prove in a of the link between a court of law the link between a court of law the link between a individual and the a certain individual and the orders giving to orders that they're giving to others further the chain is others further down the chain is always very difficult. but on that point, i think it's a very interesting andrew, we've interesting one. andrew, we've got two investigations that are happening all the time with our national agency and national crime agency and hundreds person well hundreds of their person well involved in anti people smuggling investigation , actions smuggling investigation, actions in cooperation with our partners in cooperation with our partners in europe and elsewhere around the world that doesn't get spoken about enough. i don't think by our politicians , but i think by our politicians, but i am noticing a subtle change in the language now that's coming from uh our political leadership here where they're trying to take the ball off, uh, rwanda as

being the prime three deterrent to stop small boats. and they're trying to emphasise that we're doing other things, such as going after the people smugglers. some will say about time, because labour have been allowed to fill that particular vacuum by saying, what are they doing to go after the people smugglers ? if we get into power, smugglers? if we get into power, we're going to give lots more money to the national crime agency just that. agency to do just that. well, the are the national crime agency are already that. i'm sure already doing that. i'm sure they welcome more money, they will welcome more money, but they are doing that at the moment. >> madeleine, if they don't sort this immigration issue out the tories, don't stop tories, and if they don't stop the small boats in their tracks , the small boats in their tracks, the small boats in their tracks, the poll saying a 99 seven the poll today saying a 99 seven style could be even worse. >> oh my goodness. i mean the poll actually shouldn't poll is it actually shouldn't come as that much a shock. it come as that much of a shock. it is consistent with the is pretty consistent with the kind that had kind of polling that we've had pretty much over the last year, and what different and a bit, but what is different about it about this poll is that it extrapolates the data look extrapolates the data to look number, it down to every number, crunch it down to every single seat. yeah and it's 14,000 people, which is a lot. >> it's a big poll.

>> it's a big poll. >> yeah. exactly and you know, i think it's the kind of thing that hopefully will focus minds within party. within the conservative party. although how you fix this particular problem, i it's particular problem, i mean it's incredibly to sort out incredibly difficult to sort out some of the problems that people complain they say complain about. and they say they've plugging away at they've been plugging away at things service things like the health service and the boats. and and stopping the boats. and there's to show there's not that much to show for certainly don't for it, or certainly i don't think the public is. think that's how the public is. >> we're looking at the map here on screen, madeleine the on the screen, madeleine of the blue obviously concerned blue seats, obviously concerned in is predicted in 2019. and what is predicted in 2019. and what is predicted in 2024, a much greater proliferation of red seats, particularly . ollie north. uh particularly. ollie north. uh north england, the red wall that's that red wall that we talk about which is traditionally labour voters going back to voting labour. we've been saying what an interesting choice for the daily telegraph, your newspaper traditionally conservative supporting to run with this front page. i also think it's particularly pertinent that you've got a massive, unflattering picture rishi unflattering picture of rishi sunak on the on the front page as well . yeah. um, why have the

as well. yeah. um, why have the newspaper done this? >> well, i don't know. i mean , i >> well, i don't know. i mean, i just the jokes that the paper just do the jokes that the paper so i don't know anything more about poll about why this particular poll was think was commissioned, but i think it's the it's because it reflects the views many of our readers. views of many of our readers. yeah, are conservative yeah, that they are conservative minded. in mind that the minded. bear in mind that the big c does not account for everyone that would fall under the small c banner, and many people feel that the big c has become disconnected from the small makes sense. small c that makes sense. >> it's interesting. >> and it's interesting. >> and it's interesting. >> you've the page >> you've got on the front page to commentary frost, to a commentary by lord frost, who was the brexit secretary with johnson . yeah, many with boris johnson. yeah, many people him a potential people see him as a potential tory leader, a difficult if you're of lords. you're in the house of lords. yeah, absolutely. excoriating about the tories to be tory. >> absolutely . i mean, i do >> absolutely. i mean, i do think, though, that some of the i mean, i agree very much with, with a lot of what lord frost says, but the trouble is that even the things that he proposes , know, let's not , such as, you know, let's not tax people further, let's not do x, y or z. i still think that it's very, very difficult for them to come back. whatever they do from accusation that do from the accusation that it's always which always levelled at them, which is have been in charge

is you guys have been in charge for 13 yeah, for a long time, 13 years. yeah, people always say 13 years. well 14 be, um , you 14 years it will be, um, you know, it's very difficult to know, it's very difficult to know what levers there are to pull that haven't already been pulled. in a very short pulled. and in a very short space of time. the other space of time. and the other thing the poll thing to say about the poll is actually these actually that even though these are results , this are shockingly bad results, this is not even the nadir, is possibly not even the nadir, because the polling doesn't factor into take into account what might happen if people did tactical voting . yeah. and it tactical voting. yeah. and it also there is that big question mark whether nigel farage mark about whether nigel farage will mantle for will take up the mantle for reform . yeah. if he did so that reform. yeah. if he did so that would expand their would probably expand their influence. got a huge influence. he's got a huge following you following obviously, as you know, at gb news and know, here at gb news and elsewhere. and um, you know, that could make the problem . we that could make the problem. we take this poll from a kind of terrible 1997 outcome to something worse. terrible 1997 outcome to son it's ing worse. terrible 1997 outcome to sonit's also worse. terrible 1997 outcome to sonit's also shows orse. terrible 1997 outcome to sonit's also shows in;e. terrible 1997 outcome to sonit's also shows in there, >> it's also shows in there, doesn't if vote, if so, doesn't it, if you vote, if so, if there's no reform on the ballot paper, it's a hung parliament. if there's reform on the it's the ballot paper, it's a landslide labour majority. so do you a you know that this would be a gift the who say you gift for the tories who say you vote reform, you get labour but a labour government. a big labour government. >> it's not equally

>> yeah, but it's not equally i do think that many will do think that many people will make that point. >> but i also it's quite insulting to voters kind of insulting to voters to kind of suggest you belong to us. >> yes. and if you decide >> yes. yeah. and if you decide that you're very unhappy with us, there's no one else. >> it's almost they're >> it's almost like they're saying, know, saying, ha ha ha. you know, we're in a first past the post system and there's nothing. it's also, no, tribalism is also, i mean, no, tribalism is breaking down anyway. >> also worth >> i think it's also worth pointing out how a party pointing out how new a party reform is. the very fact that they have made are making this sort of political capital, this sort of political capital, this sort of political capital, this sort of influence at this time when they've only been around for five minutes. yeah. where are the liberal democrats in all of this? where is the green party? you know, reformers push themselves into this third position. >> well, to be fair, i'm not sure that's quite right, because the lib dems, according to this sure that's quite right, because the liare ems, according to this sure that's quite right, because the liare on 5, according to this sure that's quite right, because the liare on trackording to this sure that's quite right, because the liare on track to ing to this sure that's quite right, because the liare on track to get to this sure that's quite right, because the liare on track to get 47this poll, are on track to get 47 seats, takes them seats, which almost takes them up high water mark. up to their high water mark. yeah, growing up , yeah, i remember growing up, that was very much that. they were the third party they that was very much that. they were kind hird party they that was very much that. they were kind ofd party they that was very much that. they were kind of respectable.:hey were kind of respectable. protest vote that would actually have and of have some influence. and of course, of the course, you know, part of the

coalition from 2010 coalition government from 2010 would blue wall that in would be the blue wall that in all labour success, i all of the labour success, i don't think we should forget about movement the about the pincer movement of the lib dems, because there are some seats not going seats where they are not going to labour they are to vote. labour they are not labour people. may labour minded people. there may be conservatives or be small c conservatives or slightly kind of wet tories . slightly kind of wet tories. >> ukip the surrey seats. yes, exactly. cheltenham and gloucestershire these gloucestershire and these are very for the prime very difficult for the prime minister obviously there minister because obviously there are wall seats that are lots of red wall seats that are lots of red wall seats that are likely to go labour. >> these seats their >> and in these seats their current mps are warning hard about boats and on the about small boats and on the cost of living, but actually you talk to some, um, to mps who are in these southern seats, which are facing lib dems and even in some cases to the greens, and they're go they're saying don't if you go too i will too far on this stuff, i will lose my seats to the lib dems, greens . so it is actually a very greens. so it is actually a very difficult for difficult balancing act for he's walking difficult balancing act for he's walyeah, think i think he >> yeah, but i think i think he keeps it. he keeps falling off it. he does keeps falling off it. he does keep falling off it. >> i also who wouldn't >> but i also think who wouldn't at point very hard at this point it's very hard to come the that come back from the mess that they're in. yeah >> the timing the >> and the timing of the election um, mark on election as well. um, mark on rwanda, um , what it do you think

rwanda, um, what it do you think even if they get a plane in the air before it's going to make a difference to those people gathering on the beaches of northern france? >> i have to say i'm not convinced it will. uh, it might have made a difference . back in have made a difference. back in april of 2022, when it was first announced by boris johnson. there was certainly concern in the camps there. and among the people smugglers about what it would if , if it people smugglers about what it would if, if it was going would mean if, if it was going to mean everybody coming across the channel from that point on was sent to this was going to get sent to this east nation , clearly east african nation, clearly that's going to be a huge deterrent. but since then , as deterrent. but since then, as it's been delayed and delayed and delayed by court action and also the suggestion that actually it's not going to be everybody that crosses the channel everybody that crosses the channel, but a proportion and how small a proportion is up for debate. but if anybody that wants to cross the english channel thinks that the chances of me actually going to rwanda are about 10 or 15, then i'm

going to take that risk. you know, it's worth it. you know, 80, 80% chance of me getting , 80, 80% chance of me getting, uh, to stay in the uk. you know, mark, we started the show this morning with shapps , um, morning with grant shapps, um, talking his ambition as, talking about his ambition as, uh, there's a rumour. >> defence ministry, by the way , >> defence ministry, by the way, you two are very cruel. >> he's pitching for his next job when he's left government, isn't he? he's going to go and work for a bomb company. >> leave >> he's going to leave parliament altogether because he loses . loses his seat. >> well, exactly. so i'm. i have ihave >> well, exactly. so i'm. i have i have enormous cynicism about this than even this a lot more than i even normally but um, uh, mark, normally do. but um, uh, mark, people messaging to say, for people are messaging to say, for instance, kara has said great speech by grant shapps . um, she speech by grant shapps. um, she says, but we can't even protect our own borders . and this is one our own borders. and this is one of the issues where i think these these two issues, isn't it, of immigration and defence collide because he's they're saying we're going to protect the borders in the middle east. and you know, defend the red sea from the houthi rebels and the

transport of passage through there. and yet we go, well, hang on a minute. you can't even stop migrants getting here. so what are doing? yeah are you doing? yeah >> of course, first priority >> of course, the first priority of is to protect of any government is to protect its population. and although we are , uh, having a lot of are, uh, having a lot of understandably , uh, focus on understandably, uh, focus on what is happening out in ukraine, first of all, now in the middle east and the red sea is the latest iteration of that with in in terms of the houthis firing all these missiles at shipping, that's hugely important for an island nation like ours. we rely for, uh , 90% like ours. we rely for, uh, 90% of the imports and exports arrive live and leave by sea. so it's hugely important. but also that kind of gets lost on many members of the public who say, right, fine, that's okay. it's in a faraway place. what about our own borders protecting, uh, the nation from these people who are crossing illegally into the united kingdom ? um, you wouldn't united kingdom? um, you wouldn't necessarily send our aircraft carrier, of course, into the engush

carrier, of course, into the english channel. but there is a feeling that we should be doing more. so thought some people want a thought . i knew as soon want a thought. i knew as soon as i. >> yeah. no there's a thought that would probably stop some of the small they wouldn't the small boats. they wouldn't need to go round it. >> inbox just lit up at that point. >> yeah, yeah. absolutely. right. okay. didn't get right. okay. why didn't get grant shapps on the phone. have we missed it? that's the point. >> my call would would >> my call that would that would do but i, i do the trick. yeah. but i, i think um, to be more realistic certainly in terms of assets in the channel, the difficulty is , the channel, the difficulty is, is that what are they going to do ? because we have a policy of, do? because we have a policy of, of once they cross into uk waters, just picking them up and taking them to the uk. yeah, lots , lots of defence of the lots, lots of defence of the channel would only work if it was a turn back policy. but then are you going to turn back boat turn boats back to uh, france or at least pick people up and drop them off back in in france and risk absolutely infuriating the french. and as i say this, i can i can hear again. yes. you

saying if i'm in charge, exactly what i'm going to do. >> they came from your country . >> they came from your country. have them back. it's a safe country. it's part of the blessed, hallowed european union. they can stay there and go i a lot of our audience >> i know a lot of our audience will agree with a lot of people saying by grant saying great speech by grant shapps i don't know shapps that i don't know what you watching as you stuck you were watching as you stuck with it, because we've done something with it, because we've done somethi and phil says ukraine is >> um, and phil says ukraine is fighting war for west . fighting a war for the west. >> this we talk about for the rest of us. you're talking as if ukraine was some of ukraine was some sort of charity. there's on us. charity. there's a burden on us. it's we banded together it's not time we banded together to get of putin. to get rid of putin. there's a lot of different coming lot of different opinions coming in morning. lot of different opinions coming in i morning. lot of different opinions coming in i it's morning. lot of different opinions coming in i it's illnessyrning. lot of different opinions coming in i it's illness thatg. >> i mean, it's illness that will take out putin, don't you think, doesn't a think, mark? he doesn't look a well he's to have cancer. cancen and who's wings. >> you know. >> you know. >> then there would be >> and then there would be another to over another monster to take over adversary know. another monster to take over adv but ry know. another monster to take over adv but they know. another monster to take over adv but they like ow. another monster to take over adv but they like their poison >> but they like their poison over there'll be another >> yeah, but there'll be another monster like putin take over. >> yeah, but there'll be another monsthisike putin take over. >> yeah, but there'll be another monsthis.ik(it.utin take over. well this is it. >> it's that old adage, >> i mean, it's that old adage, isn't it? it's better devil isn't it? it's better the devil you right? isn't it? it's better the devil youmadeleine?? thank so >> madeleine? mark thank you so much. still to come this morning, the lib dem leader, ed davey election struggle morning, the lib dem leader, ed da\the election struggle morning, the lib dem leader, ed da\the against ion struggle morning, the lib dem leader, ed da\the against ion ex'uggle

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isabel monday to thursdays from. six till 930. >> so the prime minister has been speaking to the press on uk military action in yemen. let's have a listen to what he had to say in the gulf. >> well, our aim is to de—escalate tensions in the

region and actually restore stability back to the area . stability back to the area. >> we faced an escalating series of attacks from the houthis on commercial shipping, including an attack on royal navy warship. >> that's unacceptable. it is right that we took proportionate , targeted action against military targets to send a strong message that that behaviour is unacceptable . behaviour is unacceptable. >> it was a last resort. it came after the end of exhaustive diplomatic activity , including a diplomatic activity, including a un security council resolution. and now i think it's incumbent on the houthis to recognise the international condemnation for what they're doing and desist. but we, of course, will not hesitate to protect our security where required or further action if required. i say we will not hesitate to ensure the security and safety of british people and our interests and our assets on the rwanda bill, which in the commons week. commons this week. >> are you prepared to discipline your discipline any front your frontbench rwanda frontbench over rwanda bill, including potentially your deputy ? if you vote, if deputy chairman? if you vote, if he votes against the measure this or in favour of the this week or in favour of the amendments, would you sack him

and rebels ? and other rebels? >> well, you know, the conservative party are completely and wanting to completely united and wanting to stop boats. we share the stop the boats. we share the frustration of the british people about this situation. that's why i set it out as one of my five priorities. we're all fed up with legal merry go fed up with this legal merry go round challenges to our round of challenges to our rwanda policy. i'm determined to get this new legislation onto the statute book. so we can get our rwanda scheme up and running . progress so . we've made good progress so far thanks to the hard work of many, means that the many, which means that the numbers arrivals are by numbers of arrivals are down by over last year. over a third last year. that shows plan working, but shows the plan is working, but in job, in order to finish the job, we do need deterrent like rwanda. do need a deterrent like rwanda. and that's why i'm determined to do can to get this do everything i can to get this bill, is by the way, the bill, which is by the way, the toughest piece migration toughest piece of migration legislation that parliament has ever statute ever seen onto the statute books. we can finally grip books. so we can finally grip this problem. books. so we can finally grip this proionn. rebels , any >> and on the rebels, any action, i'll say, of course, i'm talking to all my colleagues, but know everyone's frustrated. >> frustrated about this >> i'm frustrated about this situation, and they want to see an to the legal merry go an end to the legal merry go round. i'm confident that the bill the toughest bill we've got is the toughest that ever and

that anyone's ever seen, and it will once and will resolve this issue once and for all. >> on the yougov f on the yougov >> fine. on the yougov poll in today's telegraph it says today's daily telegraph it says your facing a 1997 your party is facing a 1997 style election. wipe—out what's your response and how can you turn around? there been turn it around? there have been lots last yeah >> there'll be hundreds more polls. the only one that matters is general is the one when the general election comes, choice election comes, and the choice of election is clear, it's of that election is clear, it's a stick with plan is a stick with our plan that is working. delivered change working. it's delivered change for people , ensuring that they for people, ensuring that they can have the peace of mind, that there's brighter future for there's a brighter future for their have their children, that we can have renewed in country . renewed pride in our country. all which is all the alternative, which is keir and going back to keir starmer and going back to square one with him, he can't say what he will do. he's been leader the opposition for leader of the opposition for four he hasn't said leader of the opposition for four he he hasn't said leader of the opposition for four he would he hasn't said leader of the opposition for four he would do�* hasn't said leader of the opposition for four he would do differentlyd leader of the opposition for four he would do differently and what he would do differently and that's because he doesn't have a plan. that's the choice. plan. so that's the choice. stick with the plan that is delivering change, making a difference or go back to square one. minister, you . one. prime minister, thank you. >> ever says the words nigel farage or reform? do you know why? because he knows awareness of that party is his biggest enemy . enemy. >> yeah, well, they're a big threat to him now. gb news will have an exclusive interview with

the prime minister later today. have an exclusive interview with the do ime minister later today. have an exclusive interview with the do ime ituneder later today. have an exclusive interview with thedoime ituned now.3r today. have an exclusive interview with thedoime ituned now. libyday. have an exclusive interview with thedoime ituned now. lib dem so do stay tuned now. lib dem leader going to leader sir ed davey is going to be the next be challenged at the next general election in his own constituency deputy postmistress. >> right, tracy >> that's right, yvonne tracy says allowed to says that he can't be allowed to stand in his stand again unchallenged in his seat of kingston and surbiton. >> i'm delighted to say yvonne tracy, who is a councillor for the local residents association, joins me now . morning to you, joins me now. morning to you, yvonne. to talk you. yvonne. nice to talk to you. we talked this in the mail at talked about this in the mail at the weekend . you are outraged as the weekend. you are outraged as a former deputy postmistress at the way postmasters and postmasters have been treated, not least by ed davey, who we all know from this tv drama. yvonne um, told mr bates to clear off. he was too busy to speak to him. he didn't take it very seriously. and then we've discovered he's been taking a lot of money from the law firm that's been acting against the postmasters and postmistresses as . as. >> yes, i know it's , um. >> yes, i know it's, um. >>— >> yes, i know it's, um. >> it beggars belief. really doesn't it? >> uh, i think that's that's what made me , you know, let's be

what made me, you know, let's be honest . it's just not ed davey honest. it's just not ed davey here. loads of people have, uh, should hang their heads in shame for it to the post office, but. but when mr bates went to sir ed davey in 2010, when he'd gathered years of evidence for hundreds of postmasters, the least ed davey could have done was seen him and spoke to him. maybe if he had, and probed a bit deeper , this could have been bit deeper, this could have been deau bit deeper, this could have been dealt with in 2010, but instead there's been a lot more convictions since then, and it breaks my heart. >> that's what you're doing now, then, yvonne, to take him on. >> um, well, i just, i, then, yvonne, to take him on. >> um, well, ijust, i, i then, yvonne, to take him on. >> um, well, i just, i, i would >> um, well, ijust, i, i would have loved so postmaster to stand against him, but obviously i can understand a lot of them their their confidence has been shot. they've had enough of government. so i thought, do you know , uh, is my mp in my area know, uh, is my mp in my area where i've lived all my life in new malden? um it's got to be me. i'm not a politician . i'm a

me. i'm not a politician. i'm a 68 year old grandmother. but i've got to take him on because at the moment, people are cross because they've just seen that series . i don't want them in a series. i don't want them in a couple of weeks . time forget couple of weeks. time to forget they've got to remember that this is sir ed davey referred , this is sir ed davey referred, used to even meet with alan bates, who was presenting hundreds of postmasters . how can hundreds of postmasters. how can that be right ? that be right? >> and if we know some postmasters went to prison , they postmasters went to prison, they lost their homes, their life savings for took their own lives . it's had a shattering effect on families, a shattering effect on families, a shattering effect on on so many people . um, by on on so many people. um, by standing against ed davey, do you hope this might even galvanise even more people to come forward? because we know there are still other postmasters and postmistresses who were affected by this scandal, who haven't come forward i think there's forward because i think there's still a state of still some of them in a state of shock. still some of them in a state of shock . oh i think maybe yvonne

shock. on i think maybe yvonne can't hear us. >> oh, that's a shame . i really >> oh, that's a shame. i really wanted to talk to her. >> let's see if we can get her back. get that back. >> so she's. so she's going to stand independent, stand as an independent, then. >> she's got her back. >> so she's we've got her back. we've got you back. no, we're not going back. going not going back. we're going to talk um, talk about it. so yvonne is um, i her week. did i talked to her last week. i did a big piece ed davey in i talked to her last week. i did a bimailce ed davey in i talked to her last week. i did a bimail on ed davey in i talked to her last week. i did a bimail on saturday.)avey in i talked to her last week. i did a bimail on saturday. she'sin the mail on saturday. she's a local councillor for the independent, kingston independent, for the kingston independent residents. >> a conservative >> she's not a conservative councillor. no, not a conservative balleh conservative she's a balleh >> been >> and she's only been a councillor eight. we've got councillor for eight. we've got her , yvonne, you her back, yvonne, we've got you back. just saying there's back. i'm just saying there's still quite of postmasters still quite a lot of postmasters and who think and post mistresses who we think still come yet still haven't come forward yet by you speaking out, by you standing . this may perhaps draw standing. this may perhaps draw even more people out, and then we'll get to the bottom of just how a scandal this is. how big a scandal this is. >> so. i hope this >> yes, i hope so. i hope this will give the ordinary person , will give the ordinary person, uh, confidence to come out and speak. it's difficult, isn't it, because, um, they make it very uncomfortable for ordinary people like us. but we're mustn't go away. don't let us

not forget the postmasters haven't been told what happened. they haven't been cleared. uh, they haven't been given answers. uh we can't let it go away . but uh we can't let it go away. but it's got to be done soon. people have died waiting . have died waiting. >> and so you're going to stand as an independent candidate, are you, yvonne , if i've understood you, yvonne, if i've understood correctly , yes, absolutely . correctly, yes, absolutely. >> i'm standing under the banner of , um, >> i'm standing under the banner of, um, justice for subpostmasters and subpostmistresses . subpostmistresses. >> okay, i see, and of course, you had 23 years in the post office. >> you ran. you were deputy sub post office. i think you met your husband, mark, during the post office. so who worked for the office well ? the the post office as well? the post in your blood . post office is in your blood. how you think they've behaved how do you think they've behaved over this? yvonne yes, over all of this? yvonne yes, i worked there since 1989 and when i first started, you know, it was such a, uh, people used to trust the post office. >> it was held in high regard . >> it was held in high regard. um, i'm angry now that they'll never be trusted again. they will never be trusted again. so,

yes, i am angry. will never be trusted again. so, yes, i am angry . the damage that yes, i am angry. the damage that has been done to the post office. we won't ever get that back. >> and are you glad that wretched woman vennells gave back her cbe? she had to be shamed into it, didn't she? the former chief executive? >> yeah. she just. >> yeah. didn't she just. i mean, this is it. uh isn't it a shame that it's taken ordinary people? uh to shout and say, do the right thing. why don't you just do it anyway? >> yeah, well , that is the motto >> yeah, well, that is the motto of this decade , almost, isn't of this decade, almost, isn't it? uh, yvonne . tracy, thank you it? uh, yvonne. tracy, thank you so much. from kingston stand to talk to you and we're going to keep in touch with her. yeah. fantastic i love that. i love that , i fantastic i love that. i love that, i love fantastic i love that. i love that , i love that it fantastic i love that. i love that, i love that it is so angry that, i love that it is so angry that nobody's doing anything . that nobody's doing anything. >> ed davey is going to seemingly get away with it. of course, he says he was misled by the post office. he was lied to by post but he was by the post office, but he was post office minister. he should have been curious enough to think, why are hundreds and hundreds good for her? good for her decided to stand >> good for her decided to stand against him , uh, and even just against him, uh, and even just be a thorn in his side or every

time that he is out there canvassing her name also will be on the doorsteps . on the doorsteps. >> love it. right. still to come on the doorsteps. >> imorning, ght. still to come on the doorsteps. >> imorning, mouse ll to come on the doorsteps. >> imorning, mouse ofto come on the doorsteps. >> imorning, mouse of commons this morning, mouse of commons parliament . £100,000 to parliament spend. £100,000 to battle super mice plaguing the corridors of power. that, and much more. after your morning's news with sophia . news with sophia. >> thank you. bev, it's 1133. >> thank you. bev, it's1133. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb news room . the prime minister news room. the prime minister says british strikes on houthi rebels in yemen are aimed at de—escalating tensions as he prepares to address mps later , prepares to address mps later, the government insists its decision not to consult parliament regarding the strikes was important for reasons of operational security. following a series of attacks on commercial ships passing through the red sea, rishi sunak says tensions in the region must not be allowed to boil over. >> our aim is to de—escalate tensions in the region and actually restore more stability

back to the area. we faced an escalating series of attacks from the houthis on commercial shipping , from the houthis on commercial shipping, including an attack on royal navy warship . that's royal navy warship. that's unacceptable. it is right that we took proportionate, targeted action against military targets to send a strong message that that behaviour is unacceptable. it was a last resort. it came after the end of exhaustive diplomatic activity , including a diplomatic activity, including a un security council resolution. >> the uk will send 20,000 troops across europe as britain looks to counter an alarming rise in russian aggression. it will include deployments from the army, the navy and the raf in what's being described as the largest nato exercise since the cold war. the drill involves 31 nafions cold war. the drill involves 31 nations and will see troops preparing for the invasion of a nato member state by any aggressor . the girls were left aggressor. the girls were left at the mercy of paedophile grooming gangs due to failings by senior police and council leaders . that's according to a leaders. that's according to a comprehensive new report

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that i knew had dewbs& co week nights from six. >> us britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner time 740. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> so today has been labelled the most depressing day of the yeah the most depressing day of the year. various year. this is due to various like statistics that people who know these do. so know about these things do. so do you have blue monday woes? i don't feel on top of the world today. i can't lie. um, but we know what we'll cheer us up. it's yorkshire reporter,

it's our yorkshire reporter, anna riley . anna, there you are anna riley. anna, there you are in yorkshire to tell us what today is all about. in yorkshire to tell us what today is all about . and what are today is all about. and what are we supposed to do to raise our spirits? it's good morning to you both. >> well, we're here at rotherham train station in south yorkshire. we're joined by the samaritans who are doing outreach, outreach work here and with fiona wilson. she's a samaritans volunteer and the samaritans volunteer and the samaritans are trying to dispel that myth of blue monday and instead call it blue monday. so they're encouraging people to come together over a cuppa and just have a chat about how they are feeling . fiona, what is it are feeling. fiona, what is it about the dispelling that myth that today isn't all about being blue? >> um, well, we've renamed it blue monday. um, and the idea is to encourage people to sit down with somebody that they care about , about with somebody that they care about, about and have a cuppa. it doesn't have to be tea and just start a conversation and catch up with them. >> and what is it about that

changing of mindsets? is it sort of not letting the calendar decide how we're feeling? >> yeah, of course. um, it doesn't have to be this day. it can be any day of the year that someone can be feeling , um, you someone can be feeling, um, you know, they've got things on their mind. so, um, just just talk to people. it certainly helps. >> and samaritans , of course, >> and samaritans, of course, a charity that's been going for 70 years now. you're a listener yourself. and samaritans receive a call for help every 10s don't they? what's so important about that 24 over seven service for people that are reaching out, potentially feeling suicidal ? potentially feeling suicidal? >> um, i think the important thing is that we're there, like you say, 24 hours a day and it's a free service . um, and that if a free service. um, and that if you call samaritans, somebody will listen to you and we won't judge , we won't tell you what to judge, we won't tell you what to do, but we'll just be there for you and what advice or tips do you and what advice or tips do you have at this time of year? >> we're lucky today. we've we've got a sunny day, even

though it's cold. but the weather can bring us the weather can bring us down. the cost living . we've just had cost of living. we've just had christmas and january can feel like a bit of a low month, can't it? >> yeah, of course january is a difficult time for quite a lot of people. um, but at any time of people. um, but at any time of the year , um, there could be of the year, um, there could be something that's worrying you. and whatever it is, you can call samaritans and you can use our number 116123. >> and you do outreach work at train stations like this . and train stations like this. and you encourage commuters to talk to each other as well. don't you? yes. >> um, that's the other thing that we do encourage at rail stations is just to keep an eye and see if there's someone that, um, might be distressed and try and go up to them and have a chat with them. >> thank you so much for you. and i thank you. so that's brew monday and it's all across the uk . so if you go into a train uk. so if you go into a train station you might see samaritans like fiona . but the charity are like fiona. but the charity are also saying you can do it in the workplace. you can host your own

tea party, you can do it at home. um, and you can do it virtually as well over zoom. if you work and just pick you work from home and just pick up as well, just speak up the phone as well, just speak to a loved one and ask them how they're feeling. on they're feeling. today on brew monday . monday. >> all right. thank you so much , >> all right. thank you so much, anna. anna riley there in rotherham . our panel are back rotherham. our panel are back with us. mark lars. mark. matthew. sorry, matthew . it's matthew. sorry, matthew. it's blue monday. don't worry. >> been called a lot worse. >> i've been called a lot worse. even even on even . even even on even. >> sorry. matthew, breakfast and emma woolf is with us as well. >> were saying blue >> we were just saying blue monday. what do you do to cheer yourselves days yourselves up? guys? on days like to news. like this, come to gb news. >> news obviously. >> come to gb news obviously. >> come to gb news obviously. >> sunshine. i was >> good answer sunshine. i was cycling apparently >> good answer sunshine. i was cycling helps apparently >> good answer sunshine. i was cycling helps app the tly >> good answer sunshine. i was cycling helps app the office cycling helps beat the office blues. one the. blues. that's in one of the. unless get off your blues. that's in one of the. unlesno, get off your blues. that's in one of the. unlesno, butet off your blues. that's in one of the. unlesno, butet thought your bike. no, but i just thought come on. thought, come on, come on. and i thought, shake of this. it's shake yourself out of this. it's cold, it's sunny and the sun cold, but it's sunny and the sun is out. it wasn't so is out. it wasn't raining. so you've kind of almost . you've got to kind of almost. yeah. yourself a shake and yeah. give yourself a shake and say, alive. we're say, look, we're alive. we're all haven't all right. we haven't got this, that. other we're that. and the other thing, we're not miranda, ever go not in miranda, do you ever go through lights ? no, of through red lights? no, of course and yes, wear course i don't. and yes, i wear a what about you ? >> and what about you? >> and what about you? >> these questions. i would

never you're never ask you that. if you're feeling a day. feeling a bit down on a day. >> i think sunshine is absolutely vital. but the other thing take enough thing is, none of us take enough vitamin d the winter. the nhs vitamin d in the winter. the nhs . make sure you . yeah. so get you make sure you take vitamin d supplements . yeah. >> because get outside . >> because get outside. >> because get outside. >> you have to have strong vitamin d. yes you strong vitamin d. yes you have strong vitamin d. yes you have strong vitamin i'm going to go for an >> yeah i'm going to go for an houh >> yeah i'm going to go for an hour. i'm going and go hour. i'm going to try and go for this for an outdoor swim this afternoon. crikey hampton lido. no it's beautiful. it's heated and i know is the best way and that i know is the best way to raise my. he is. on >> anything that gets the blood circulation gets you when you get out afterwards. >> isn't it. that's the point. >> isn't it. that's the point. >> it's really. yeah. you >> it's really. yeah. then you get quick shower. right get into it quick shower. right >> okay, move on to >> um. okay, let's move on to another depressing topic, then rwanda . okay. emma. um the uk rwanda. okay. emma. um the uk grants asylum to rwandans, despite the claims that the country is safe. what's this about? well this is a front page of the eye, so i'm afraid i'm taking it with a huge dollop of scepticism and a huge dollop of salt. >> they're saying that because six from rwanda have been six people from rwanda have been granted this country granted asylum in this country since 2022, this basically

overturns sunak entire the entire premise of his bill. dominic grieve has been saying this makes a nonsense of a bill that deems rwanda to be safe. six people since 2022. that hardly overturns it just shows what a shambles. >> ah, my immigration and processing system is to . of processing system is to. of course it does. they just want to get these things done. dominic grieve is courses is rather isn't rather bitter and twisted, isn't he? former tory who lost rather bitter and twisted, isn't he? whip former tory who lost rather bitter and twisted, isn't he?whip . former tory who lost rather bitter and twisted, isn't he?whip . um.1er tory who lost rather bitter and twisted, isn't he?whip . um. and ory who lost rather bitter and twisted, isn't he?whip . um. and rwanda, .ost rather bitter and twisted, isn't he?whip . um. and rwanda, we the whip. um. and rwanda, we know of course, matthew, don't we, that the united nations has been sending to rwanda been sending refugees to rwanda this year. >> there is an issue about >> yes. there is an issue about how rwanda different how rwanda treats different sorts refugees because it has sorts of refugees because it has a 97% rejection rate of people who come from middle east countries. um, and a much lower, which is exactly the reverse of our acceptance rate for people from the same countries, which is of the that is one of the things that worried the courts. whereas its treatment of african refugees has been singled out by the un. so treat in so it doesn't treat everybody in the which is what has the same way, which is what has been a red flag the british been a red flag for the british courts. but it's million courts. but it's £240 million and um, on the rwanda and counting. um, on the rwanda plan, more home secretaries ,

plan, more home secretaries, zero seekers . zero asylum seekers. >> but the supreme court didn't find issue whether find an issue as to whether the it's country was whether it's a safe country was whether the they would be sending some refugees back to their countries where exactly that was the issue. >> to be fair, that's why safety in rwanda. yeah. that's why the i slightly i story is slightly disingenuous, although disingenuous, because although we taken some refugees disingenuous, because although we rwanda, taken some refugees disingenuous, because although we rwanda, it's�*n some refugees disingenuous, because although we rwanda, it's aboute refugees disingenuous, because although we rwanda, it's about whetheres from rwanda, it's about whether people would, as you say, about how treats people from how rwanda treats people from other had heard before. >> refoulement refoulement. >> refoulement refoulement. >> yes . uh, so >> refoulement refoulement. >> yes. uh, so and one of those concerns was that it treats people from different countries , people from different countries, uh, disproportionately in the views of, of the courts, whether that's right or wrong. i mean, the problem is, is that we are we are, you know, we are almost at election. he hasn't at an election. and he hasn't stopped we saw the stopped the boats. we saw the tragedy, uh, over the weekend. i mean, i think the thing is mean, i think the key thing is we discussed earlier is we need to bit to sort things to do a bit to sort things out with can't with the french because we can't keep checks. and keep writing them checks. and then just standing by, as people say. >> and i don't want to be devil's particularly devil's advocate, particularly on this issue, but they would say there's an awful lot of beach cover. beach to cover. >> an awful >> no, there is an awful lot of

beach we tens beach to cover, but we have tens and miles of beach. yes, and tens of miles of beach. yes, but have seen pictures of but we have seen pictures of french. we have seen of, french. we have seen videos of, particularly the when particularly in the summer when british were on british holidaymakers were on some of those beaches, of filming french officials literally by. you literally standing by. so, you know, got a deal know, we've got to do a deal with, french that with, with the french that actually works. >> it is interesting. >> um, it is interesting. >> um, it is interesting. >> basically, six >> basically, this is the six people who , just to be really people who, just to be really clear about this story, because it your mind it does slightly blow your mind who asylum here who were granted asylum here rather than going to rwandans rather than going to rwandans rather than going back to rwanda and at least one of them was based on sexual orientation. so the idea that perhaps this person would not be safe in rwanda if they were gay , but rwanda if they were gay, but it's not illegal to be gay in rwanda. >> well, this is this is what mean. >> and this has all been gone through. >> and that would have been raised by the supreme court because we know that of because we know that lots of people have been people that that could have been returned countries returned to their countries were granted asylum here. >> it's only people. so granted asylum here. >mean,)nly people. so granted asylum here. >mean,)nljme, people. so granted asylum here. >mean,)nljme, it'syple. so granted asylum here. >mean,)nljme, it's entirely so i mean, to me, it's entirely plausible in the last, plausible that in the last, well, and years, six well, one and a half years, six people slipped through the well, one and a half years, six peofmany slipped through the well, one and a half years, six peofmany people ad through the well, one and a half years, six peofmany people ad thrslippede net. many people have slipped through net. think through the net. i don't think it's it's it's just about the boats. it's also people are about

also people are angry about the levels of legal migration as well. yeah that. yeah. well. yeah yes to that. yeah. nearly. and no nearly. what is it? and no politicians want to talk about that. and no one is talking about that proper. you know none of the politicians. >> it was 1.2 million coming in. and then when you extrapolate the people who left, was down the people who left, it was down to about three quarters of a million, but 1.2 million people coming in every year is too much. it's a small it's a big city, we haven't got the city, and we haven't got the room. matthew. city, and we haven't got the room. malook,. mean, >> yeah. look, i mean, i a pro—european this pro—european and i think this is actually one of those so—called brexit migration actually one of those so—called brex lower migration actually one of those so—called brex lower we migration actually one of those so—called brex lower we knewration actually one of those so—called brex lower we knew eu)n actually one of those so—called brexlower we knew eu and was lower when we knew eu and particularly the particularly what you saw is the churn, people particularly what you saw is the churn,to people particularly what you saw is the churn,to they people particularly what you saw is the churn,to they wenteople particularly what you saw is the churn,to they went back to came to work. they went back to europe than people came to work. they went back to europe spouses,1 people came to work. they went back to europe spouses, which le came to work. they went back to europe spouses, which is what bringing spouses, which is what we've lot spousal we've seen a lot with spousal visas putting it so, you visas putting it up. so, you know, running the know, if i'd been running the stay in the eu campaign, i'd have lower have said you'd have lower migration eu, that migration under the eu, and that would history would migration under the eu, and that woul we're talking of brexit. >> we're talking of brexit. >> can't get any >> is that why we can't get any of that we need? it of the drugs that we need? it seems to one the it seems seems to be one of the it seems to be one the that to be one of the reasons that anybody's blame brexit, anybody's claiming blame brexit, claiming it's the only reason, but is one of the reasons. so >> it is one of the reasons. so new figures published this by

the that the the guardian today that the number that you number of medications that you cannot hard to cannot get that are hard to get has doubled in the last two years. is affecting years. and this is affecting a huge number conditions. the huge number of conditions. the latest . of latest is epilepsy. one of the key drugs now hard key epilepsy drugs is now hard to heard to get. we've already heard about adhd, hrt, antipsychotics, etc. the etc. and it is thought that the situation there are some situation is there are some supply the world, supply issues across the world, but brexit has made it particularly difficult here because import, because because we now import, we our medicines are now we have to our medicines are now different the ones that go different from the ones that go to the hold of the of the hold of the eu because of regulation. so . therefore we are a smaller so. therefore we are a smaller market. it's all to do with packaging, lower purchasing value of the pound lower value of the pound and lower purchasing value of the pound and lower purc als0|g value of the pound and lower purc also you're at the end of and also you're at the end of the end of chain. so the end of the chain. so actually some like actually some countries like malta had malta for example, have had small countries having small countries are having problems importing them. if you're european you're not in that main european . market as well as the pound is has crashed and it makes them more and they're also the government needs to do deals with some of the companies with some of the drug companies about because this about cost. because we have this system prices.

system of, of agreeing prices. so the only reason, but so it's not the only reason, but it but it is a contributing factor. but it's sorted out it's got to be sorted out because this is people feel when they was they go to the pharmacy. i was in pharmacy and in front of the pharmacy and someone in of me couldn't someone in front of me couldn't get other day. i've seen have an >> i've seen it and i have an amazing local pharmacist, and when she shows me when i go in and she shows me the drugs wall when i go in and she shows me the she drugs wall when i go in and she shows me the she says, gs wall when i go in and she shows me the she says, bev, wall when i go in and she shows me the she says, bev, i wall when i go in and she shows me the she says, bev, i can'tall when i go in and she shows me the she says, bev, i can't get and she says, bev, i can't get this, this, this, this, this, and more. have and i have to pay more. i have to buy at higher to buy that at a higher cost than nhs for than i get back from the nhs for these complete these drugs. it's a complete mess. and i'm mess. this, um. and i'm surprised talking surprised people aren't talking about course, the about it more and of course, the situation not situation in the red sea is not going help because that's one going to help because that's one of shipping to of our main shipping lanes to bnng of our main shipping lanes to bringabout mice house of talk about mice in the house of commons? we're normally talking about of commons. >> oh, nicked >> oh, you nicked my joke. >> oh, you nicked my joke. >> you think we're all gonna eat that >> sinking. >> sinking. >> sinking. >> sinking ship. on. >> rats! sinking ship. go on. >> rats! sinking ship. go on. >> 5 >> emma of commons employs a full what >> emma of commons employs a full mean, what >> emma of commons employs a full mean, cat? what >> emma of commons employs a full mean, cat? they1at do you mean, a cat? no, they actually employ human actually employ a human person who is their mouse controller. they're £100,000 who is their mouse controller. they're supum £100,000 who is their mouse controller. they're supum tryingi100,000 on these supum on trying to control only control these mice who not only evade also evade traps, but they're also resistant of most resistant to some of the most poisonous put down. resistant to some of the most pthink)us put down. resistant to some of the most pthink we've put down. resistant to some of the most pthink we've heard put down. resistant to some of the most pthink we've heard aboutit down. resistant to some of the most pthink we've heard about the wn. i think we've heard about the house and their house of commons and their filthy sewage system the filthy sewage system and the lavatory and all of that lavatory systems and all of that very old building. >> the disgusting >> it's the most disgusting workplace >> it's the most disgusting wctermse >> it's the most disgusting wcterms of super mice, the facilities. >> matthew, i'm sure you've seen

it. matthew. i particularly in the house lords, had the house of lords, i've had dinner you see a mice dinner there. you see a mice scurrying across the floor while you're dinner. you're having your dinner. >> yeah. >> seriously? oh, yeah. >> seriously? oh, yeah. >> building >> absolutely. the building is. it's infested with mice and it's right course right by the river. of course it's river. it's right by the river. the plumbing work. plumbing system doesn't work. i mean, are at times mean, the toilets are at times disgusting. of things disgusting. the sort of things you'd know, on a you'd expect. you know, on a dodgy railway station, permanent building site. it's a permanent building site. it's a permanent building site. it's a permanent building site everywhere. and this is. this is failure. this is. this is a failure. look, we have to look, it is going. we have to decide country, do we want look, it is going. we have to detoie country, do we want look, it is going. we have to detoie upyuntry, do we want look, it is going. we have to detoie up ortry, do we want look, it is going. we have to detoie up or collapse? want look, it is going. we have to detoie up or collapse? ifant it to stand up or collapse? if we collapse, we want it to collapse, that's fine. to up, fine. if we want it to stand up, we money and we need to spend the money and actually because actually get it sorted because the wait, more the longer we wait, the more it's cost. the longer we wait, the more it's but cost. the longer we wait, the more it's but problem is, you say >> but the problem is, you say to the public who can't get their drugs in their pharmacy and get hip and they can't get their hip replaced, but are we going to spend replaced, but are we going to speyeah , it's really tough >> yeah, it's really tough tearing of tearing the houses of parliament. absolutely. it's really tough. but it's not i mean, be fair to politicians, mean, to be fair to politicians, it's for convenience it's not for their convenience because it isn't. becoming is now workplace now an unsafe workplace. yeah. you put up now an unsafe workplace. yeah. you it put up now an unsafe workplace. yeah. you it move put up now an unsafe workplace. yeah. you it move them put up now an unsafe workplace. yeah. you it move them out up now an unsafe workplace. yeah. you it move them out to fix now an unsafe workplace. yeah. yc and move them out to fix now an unsafe workplace. yeah. yc and theme them out to fix now an unsafe workplace. yeah. ycand them inhem out to fix now an unsafe workplace. yeah. ycand them inhepurpose fix it and put them in a purpose built building. it and put them in a purpose bui they'll ng. it and put them in a purpose bui they'll never back. it and put them in a purpose bui theand never back. it and put them in a purpose bui theand never government would >> so and which government would want to be person? so each want to be the person? so each one the long grass one kicks it into the long grass don't they. >> don't they. » of don't they. >> of lords to move the don't they.

>> of lords outside|ove the don't they. >> of lords outside ofe the london. >> so that will be where are you sending them? >> it depends where the speech is being i was in is being given. i once was in blackpool blackpool blackpool and we said blackpool because a when because it was a time when labour was going to close down the because the house of lords, because they said we're said it was undemocratic. we're going senate going to make an elected senate and london for and put it outside of london for democracy and put it outside of london for democrac do anything sort. >> e know, fl!" >> you know, that's the policy. the policy. >> literally we were writing >> but literally we were writing a speech in blackpool and we said, to said, what are you going to announce? i said, why don't we move house of lords move the house of lords to blackpool? that day. >> but just that, day. >> but just like that, that was justbut where move to? >> so york is one of the big contenders. property >> so york is one of the big conter are 5. property >> so york is one of the big conter are 5. expensive )erty prices are very expensive in york sort ancient york, but it's a sort of ancient ancient seat of government. you cynic, andrew. not going to cynic, you andrew. not going to happen. i couldn't possibly commit you a very good way of getting of those. commit you a very good way of get i ng of those. commit you a very good way of geti think of those. commit you a very good way of geti think it's of those. commit you a very good way of geti think it's veryf those. commit you a very good way of geti think it's very the ose. commit you a very good way of geti think it's very the commons >> i think it's very the commons in chamber and one in the lords chamber and do one at would that problem. >> clearly the ones in the 90s. >> clearly the ones in the 90s. >> it's very >> i think it's a very interesting piece. uh matthew laza. thank you so laza. emma woolf. thank you so much. from me and much. that is it from me and andrew this morning. up next, good afternoon, britain with emily and tom. see you tomorrow. >> see you then . >> see you then. >> see you then. >> i like that discussion about where should it where parliament should be. it

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