of yesteryears. this stuff absolutely still goes on today . absolutely still goes on today. and a mega poll out tonight shows that the tories are on track to face a 1997 style wipe—out are they? is there anything they can do to turn this around now or not? and the prime minister today, addressing the commons about that decision to attack yemen at grant shapps as well, says that countries need to step up and spend more money on defence. he highlights the importance of nato. but hold on a second. only seven out of the 31 countries in nato, even meet their current spending target . and speaking of spending target. and speaking of spending , get this everyone. oxfam reckon the first trillionaire could emerge within in a decade. is that a problem? one of my panellist says absolutely . so panellist says absolutely. so what about all the inequality? the other one says what is the issue with that? what says you .

issue with that? what says you. yeah, we're going to get stuck into all of that and more. but before we do, let's cross live for tonight's latest news headunes. headlines. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. well, the top story from the newsroom is that rishi sunak says houthi rebels are continuing on what he's described as a reckless path after an anti—ship ballistic missile struck a us owned vessel off the coast of yemen, reports from the region suggest the iran allied group are now expanding their attacks to include uk ships , calling them legitimate ships, calling them legitimate targets . these latest threats targets. these latest threats follow joint us, uk strikes launched on yemen last week . but launched on yemen last week. but the prime minister said today the prime minister said today the situation in yemen won't stop the uk from supporting other crises around the world. the threats to shipping must cease. >> illegally detained vessels

and crews must be released and we remain prepared to back our words with actions . but, mr words with actions. but, mr speaken words with actions. but, mr speaker, dealing with this threat does not detract from our other international commitments. rather, it strengthens our determination to uphold fundamental un principles. if . fundamental un principles. if. our adversaries think that they can distract us from helping ukraine by threatening international security elsewhere , be more wrong . , they could not be more wrong. >> meanwhile, the uk is to send 20,000 troops across europe on exercise in what's being called a vital reassurance against putin. deployments will be made from the army, navy and raf , from the army, navy and raf, making it one of the largest nato exercises since the cold war. the drill involves 31 nations, with the defence secretary saying morning secretary saying this morning troops will be prepared for an invasion of a nato member state by aggressor . invasion of a nato member state by aggressor. now, in other by any aggressor. now, in other news, today, it's been revealed that more than 200 migrants crossed the english channel in small boats just at the weekend .

small boats just at the weekend. and that's despite the poor weather conditions. five people even died on the french side of the border after getting into difficulties just off the coast of boulogne . and as you've been of boulogne. and as you've been hearing, girls were left at the mercy of paedophile grooming gangs due to failings by senior police and council leaders. that's according to a comprehensive new report, covers nearly ten years of failed investigation by greater manchester police. it highlights years years of widespread organised sexual abuse of children in the rochdale area , children in the rochdale area, despite what was described as compelling evidence reported to the authorities as early as 2004, former police detective constable maggie oliver told gb news she's pleased to see the report, but it is too little, too late. >> it is the truth , but it's not >> it is the truth, but it's not a truth that was new to me. what makes me feel so angry is that

it's taken 12 years to get it formally documented . and this formally documented. and this isn't just a report, this is about live destroyed. this is about live destroyed. this is about children who have been criminalised , children who have criminalised, children who have been blamed , abusers who have been blamed, abusers who have been blamed, abusers who have been allowed to continue to abuse and go, um , unchecked . let abuse and go, um, unchecked. let me just bring you some breaking news that we're receiving from gaza. >> i will tell you about train strikes in just a second, but we have heard some news about hamas. two hostages held by hamas. two hostages held by hamas , the terror group, have hamas, the terror group, have been reported dead. that update coming from the gaza based terror group following a disturbing video that's gone onune disturbing video that's gone online showing , unfortunately, online showing, unfortunately, the dead bodies of two israeli hostages, yossi sharabi and itai svirsky . the video, also showing svirsky. the video, also showing a third israeli hostage as well that believed to be noa argaman as she was filmed saying her two fellow hostages were killed by

our own idf strike. so that detail, sketchy at the moment , detail, sketchy at the moment, but we can tell you that two hostages held by hamas have been reported dead . dead. and the reported dead. dead. and the third hostage is are saying that the fellow hostages were killed by idf strikes . we'll try and by idf strikes. we'll try and get some clarity on that for you in the next hour . let me update in the next hour. let me update you then . on those train strikes you then. on those train strikes and commuters are in for a fresh series of delays. we believe as the aslef union announces more strike action train drivers taking part in a rolling programme of one day walkouts from the end of the month, including a ban on overtime . the including a ban on overtime. the union is saying it's aiming to put pressure on what it describes as a tone deaf government, calling for drivers to get their first pay rise in five years. and a man appeared in court today over his plans to cause huge economic damage to the london stock exchange . the the london stock exchange. the 31 year old sean middleburgh appeared at wirral magistrates

court today charged with conspiracy to cause a public nuisance . it's after an alleged nuisance. it's after an alleged plot to disrupt the uk's financial hub was found out. the metropolitan police say five other people were arrested yesterday . three women and two yesterday. three women and two men have been bailed pending further inquiries and just lastly, a volcano that erupted yesterday in iceland is still sending lava flows into nearby villages. some of that has covered nearby houses. if you're watching on tv, check out these live pictures coming to us from grindavik, where the volcano is still bursting with lava as smoke billows into the night sky, lava shooting upward and as i say, it has been running down in channels, uh, down the sides of the volcano and into some housing that's there. it's the second eruption in the country's southwest in less than a month. iceland's prime minister warning residents to take great care, describing it as very dangerous . describing it as very dangerous. that's the news on gb news

across the uk on tv, in your car , on digital radio and on your smart speaker. this is britain's news channel . news channel. >> thanks for that, polly. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside the pr consultant alex deane and the senior lecturer at queen mary university, richard johnson . university, richard johnson. good evening. good evening to you. you you know the drill as well, don't you? what's on your mind tonight? you can get in touch with me all the usual ways. news. com ways. gb views at gb news. com is how you reach me. or you can tweet me at gb news. there's a lot i want to talk to you about today. you know what day today. and do you know what day it is? it's just patrick it is? it's not just patrick christys birthday. is christys birthday. no it is national have you national pothole day. have you got pothole where you got a massive pothole where you are? not talk about it? are? uh, why not talk about it? get it off your chest. send a get it off your chest. send me a picture. i someone, picture. i know someone, actually, a birthday actually, that put a birthday party on for a pothole because the couldn't get the council just couldn't get themselves around to fixing it. the boggles , doesn't it? the man boggles, doesn't it? um. anyway, of anyway, look, there's lots of very i need to very serious matters i need to discuss you the

discuss with you tonight. the grooming come grooming gang scandal. i'll come on in just a second. on to that in just a second. also as well. have you seen this mega uh, into the tories? mega poll, uh, into the tories? we'll that also as well. we'll look at that also as well. this one has got you this one has really got you talking right. talking inequality, right. apparently within next ten apparently within the next ten years, trillion there years, the first trillion there will be will be a thing. this has really divided opinion. do you think this is morally wrong, that can have much that someone can have that much money? or do you just think, do you know what all's if you you know what all's fair if you want a trillionaire and want to be a trillionaire and you can graft and achieve it, then five. get touch then high five. you get in touch and know. but for now, and let me know. but for now, uh, very, very distressing story. seen this story. you might have seen this reported headlines just reported in the headlines just now. report into sexual now. a report into child sexual exploitation rochdale has exploitation in rochdale has been released and debated at length today. it slammed widespread deplorable widespread and deplorable failures in tackling, grooming gangs by the police and council workers. now, this looks at a penod workers. now, this looks at a period between 2000 and 4 and right through to 2013. i have to say this covers like hundreds and hundreds of girls, uh, white girls, i have to say many from poor backgrounds ends and the perpetrators primarily

identified as asian men. i do want to make something clear as well. it's all well and good looking back historically, but maggie oliver, uh, a lady that we shall hear from, in fact, actually, you know what? let's hear from maggie oliver before i cross to my panel, because she has been outstanding today. let's has been outstanding today. let'failures that happened then >> failures that happened then are happening now . are still happening now. >> yes. you see, and lots went on today. but for me that was one of the most primary points of information that this is still happening. and you know, i don't want to be too graphic because it's tea time and i'm conscious that there'll be perhaps children listening to this. but some of the things that these girls have gone through the most through are the most unimaginable, horrendous acts to have happened children. have had happened to children. >> almost wonder if that's >> and i almost wonder if that's why this has been under—reported . because some of these things are so difficult to contemplate being done to children , so being done to children, so difficult to envisage anyone doing them children that it doing them to children that it becomes , um, challenging to becomes, um, challenging to report. and sometimes people prefer to look the other way

rather than thinking about what's happened. but, um , this what's happened. but, um, this report about the police's conduct is something we can and should talk about. it reminded me, and it's just discussion of the police in this case being widespread. their failures being widespread. their failures being widespread and deplorable . of widespread and deplorable. of the report into the metropolitan police being systemically corrupt , um, into the corrupt, um, into the investigation of the death of a journalist, daniel radcliffe. um and when that happens over , not, and when that happens over, not, you know, in one case or one investigation, but over the best part of a decade, it's very hard, very hard to envisage anyone who was responsible in that environment still being in a job. yeah >> and i mean, one of the, one of the most bizarre sentences as well, um, that keeps getting repeated all is the repeated all the time is the fact there's nine, 86 men fact that there's nine, 86 men that deemed that have been deemed a potential risk to children still. i mean, if you're a potential risk to children as a grown adult , potential risk to children as a grown adult, and there's evidence that would make that be the case, what on earth are you doing wandering streets of doing wandering the streets of britain? richard , where are britain? uh, richard, where are you on it all?

>> i was reminded. i mean, the facts of this particular, um , facts of this particular, um, episode are absolutely harrowing and disturbing, but i was reminded in reading about the report about what we've been heanng report about what we've been hearing about the post office scandal as well . i mean, there scandal as well. i mean, there are obviously they're very different issues, but there are parallels between them . uh, the parallels between them. uh, the andy burnham report was commissioned after a 2017 bbc documentary , three uh, in both documentary, three uh, in both instances, i think we see examples of big institutions closing ranks. um, the to cover themselves in effect and that the, the victims are overwhelmingly people who don't otherwise have a voice in society who are often often overlooked . and it takes overlooked. and it takes something like a television programme , um, for their voice programme, um, for their voice to finally get through. and that's not right . and we have to that's not right. and we have to set up systems where people are not voiceless until it gets on

to the television . um, years to the television. um, years down the line . down the line. >> so i agree that there is something in common between these seemingly disparate, uh, stories that you're putting together, the thing that brings them together is on the part of those who are responsible and have job to do, that they fail have a job to do, that they fail to do. is this smug certainty that they are right and they won't listen to anyone who's pointing out them that pointing out to them that they're palpably wrong . the they're palpably wrong. the victims the post office victims in the post office scandal pointing out scandal were pointing out honzon scandal were pointing out horizon just couldn't have been right, didn't care. we right, and they didn't care. we are and you are wrong. are right and you are wrong. people pointing to the people were pointing out to the police, these girls are being people were pointing out to the police, and; girls are being people were pointing out to the police, and the 'ls are being people were pointing out to the police, and the police being people were pointing out to the police, and the police didn't abused and the police didn't care what they were care about what they were saying. dismissed they saying. they dismissed and they there their there was a hardening of their attitude. they became totally accustomed dismissing what accustomed to dismissing what was being said to them. what's different is that there is clearly political clearly an element of political correctness this case that correctness in this case that doesn't apply in the post office example. it's clear to me that the police, in at least in part one of the reasons the police so deplorably failed to do their jobs is they were afraid of jobs is that they were afraid of being called or being as

being called or being seen as being called or being seen as being associated, dated with racism behaviour. and racism and racist behaviour. and they thought the they thought because the allegations were made, as they thought because the alturnsons were made, as they thought because the alturns out,vere made, as they thought because the alturns out, rightly made, as they thought because the alturns out, rightly against e, as it turns out, rightly against groups of largely asian men , groups of largely asian men, that it couldn't be right and it would be racist to pursue it. well, actually, sometimes it is the that people within the the case that people within the cultural or racial majority of a country are being abused by people who belong to a minority. and it is your job to police without fear or favour, right ? without fear or favour, right? and that applies just as much when the perpetrator perpetrator comes community when the perpetrator perpetrator corites community when the perpetrator perpetrator corit does community when the perpetrator perpetrator corit does the community when the perpetrator perpetrator corit does the perpetratority as it does when the perpetrator comes from majority. comes from a majority. >> for me, it's even >> you see, for me, it's even it's even more certain than that, because to me, the race element crucial element. element was a crucial element. these guys , i didn't see them these guys, i didn't see them picking out and selecting pakistani girls . they were not pakistani girls. they were not doing it to within their own community. and if you ask me, this is because there is something among those men and they white girls as less they see white girls as less than. so they thought they could get away with it. >> michelle, that may be right. on the other hand, there may be abuse within their community, which, because it's been closed,

has so one has yet to come to light. so one of those two things is true. >> do you have trust and >> do you do you have trust and faith? richard right. because i've got to be honest, i don't like oliver. she's lady like maggie oliver. she's a lady writer i respect so much. and the at the work that she's done at great personal to herself, great personal cost to herself, by the way. you know, it's people that people like maggie oliver that should damehood, if should receive a damehood, if you ask me. but anyway, i have huge respect she says you ask me. but anyway, i have hugethispect she says you ask me. but anyway, i have hugethis still she says you ask me. but anyway, i have hugethis still happens he says you ask me. but anyway, i have hugethis still happens in says you ask me. but anyway, i have hugethis still happens in thes that this still happens in the present she runs present day. she runs a foundation that supports these girls. into her girls. they still come into her today. have faith that today. i don't have faith that what talking about here in what we're talking about here in this historical report in rochdale and all the rest of it, i think it is absolutely still going on. she's got the evidence of i don't believe of that, and i don't believe that still it's as that still today. it's taken as seriously it should be. >> i mean, full credit to the camp campaigners who have been going against the grain on this for so many have not been for so many years have not been listened to , been ignored, listened to, have been ignored, and that they're having and finally that they're having their moment. it's their moment. but it's a bittersweet moment because so much has, uh, so much, um , much has, uh, so much, um, catastrophe really has occurred

to the to these people in, in the meantime, i was , uh, struck the meantime, i was, uh, struck by andy burnham suggestion that there needs to be a wider duty of candour law , um, that that of candour law, um, that that should apply to the police and to other public servants. we have it in the health service, where if a doctor sees something that's gone wrong, that the doctor has a responsibility to raise the alarm and to come forward, even if that's an embarrassment to the organisation . often, too often , organisation. often, too often, people operating in these big institutions are drilled into them that if they bring that institution into disrepute, then that's on them, and that could have professional consequences. but this is clearly a practice that needs to be looked at. and i think that for public servants, we should have a across the board duty of candour law to try to address this problem. >> yeah, but we always i agree with a great deal of what you've

said, but we always hear the same thing in these investigations. we hear , um, investigations. we hear, um, individuals largely individuals who've retired or moved on from the position of responsibility, concerned , got something wrong. concerned, got something wrong. but we shouldn't hold the actions of a bad apple against the system. and lessons have been and be assured been learned. and be assured it won't here we won't happen again. and here we are situation , um, now are in this situation, um, now good and right that this report has out. but are being has come out. but we are being told the campaigners, the told by the campaigners, the type who type of campaigner who brought this in the first this stuff to light in the first place, that it's still happening now. well i certainly hope the police taken different now. well i certainly hope the polic now taken different now. well i certainly hope the polic now to taken different now. well i certainly hope the polic now to the n different now. well i certainly hope the polic now to the view ifferent now. well i certainly hope the polic now to the view that�*nt now. well i certainly hope the polic now to the view that they view now to the view that they took and in these where took and in these cases where they singularly they so singularly failed, absolutely victims absolutely failed. the victims concerned and many people are concerned and so many people are getting well about getting in touch as well about that about oliver. that point, about maggie oliver. >> she should be the kind of >> uh, she should be the kind of person that receives a damehood. i the people that i mean, some of the people that get night in this country is a bit laughable, really. we just had that whole debacle, haven't we? vennells? yeah, we? about paula vennells? yeah, but maggie oliver, we? about paula vennells? yeah, bcan't maggie oliver, we? about paula vennells? yeah, bcan't understand maggie oliver, we? about paula vennells? yeah, bcan't understand whyjie oliver, we? about paula vennells? yeah, bcan't understand why shelliver, we? about paula vennells? yeah, bcan't understand why she hasr, i can't understand why she has been yeah. been overlooked. yeah. >> a very fair >> it's a it's a very fair point. and if you're going to have system and have an honours system and

actually, largely actually, i think largely speaking they can be very useful. although may disagree speaking they can be very useflsomehough may disagree speaking they can be very useflsomehough examples sagree speaking they can be very useflsomehough examples ofjree with some of the examples of people who get these gongs and baubles. to have baubles. if you're going to have one all, surely it's for one at all, surely it's for people like that. >> and last but not least, >> yeah. and last but not least, many people are getting in touch with on with me, predominantly on twitter please, twitter as well, saying please, can clear? you guys keep can you be clear? you guys keep referring to asia in grooming gangs. it's not asian, it's predominantly and many predominantly pakistan and many people well. i have to say, people as well. i have to say, getting in touch and saying, what about people like tommy robinson, michelle? they have been and been outlining and declaring and raising attention raising awareness and attention of for years and of this stuff for years and years years all they years and years and all they achieved. essentially, i always years and years and all they achiefingerssentially, i always years and years and all they achiefingers pointed, i always years and years and all they achiefingers pointed and.ways years and years and all they achiefingers pointed and been have fingers pointed and been called racist, and this is a key problem in this society. it is not racist to point out if somebody is doing something, perhaps driven by their risk, and actually everyone that's involved in all of the law making and all of the protection of children, whatever it is you know that this is still going on. you've got maggie oliver telling you as she deals telling you as much. she deals in this. it is a shame and a disgrace that it's still continuing today. and it is a

peculiar disgrace that you talk about 90 odd men that are deemed about 90 odd men that are deemed a risk to children are a risk to children that are still wandering the streets. what is that about? get what on earth is that about? get in touch. let me know of in touch. let me know all of your on of that your thoughts on all of that after the break. i want to talk to you about politics. do you reckon tories are heading to you about politics. do you recia n tories are heading to you about politics. do you recia massive 'ies are heading to you about politics. do you recia massive wipe—outading to you about politics. do you recia massive wipe—out nine, for a massive wipe—out nine, 1897 style? that's what a new poll says. do you agree with it? see you in two.

and will it will it work? i believe deterrence does work, and the reason i have confidence in that is because of our albania program. >> patrick christys tonight, 9 to 11 pm. i am back with a bang.the to 11 pm. i am back with a bang. the former immigration minister robert jenrick gives his and defiant his most honest and defiant interview date. his most honest and defiant inteallew date. his most honest and defiant inteall immigration is good. that >> all immigration is good. that diversity is strength. i think that's wrong . that's wrong. >> the rwanda rebel let rip on the government's failure to stop the government's failure to stop the boats . the boats. >> my to the prime >> my advice to the prime minister is you will not succeed unless you adopt this very robust approach, and then we will let the public down. >> and in a mammoth week for rishi sunak, jenrick has piled the on. the pressure on. >> we've done three bills

>> we've done three failed bills in three years. it's three strikes or you're out. in three years. it's three stri robert/ou're out. in three years. it's three stri robert jenrick ut. in three years. it's three stri robert jenrick unleashed on a >> robert jenrick unleashed on a special patrick christys tonight, 9 11 pm. be there . tonight, 9 to 11 pm. be there. >> hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till seven. the pr consultant alex dean alongside me, as is the senior lecturer at queen mary university, richard johnson. today's national pothole day steve i'm a driving steve says. i'm a driving instructor in bury st edmunds, and you're talking about and when you're talking about potholes, we're more potholes, he says, we're more like have here. he like sinkholes we have here. he tells me about driving it's tells me about how driving it's my town . my home town. >> oh is it? yeah. bury is my hometown. true. >> maybe true. » maybe true. >> maybe was your driving instructor. >> no, i couldn't it was very unlikely. >> he says that he spends many of his times and his lessons now steering, the steering wheel steering, um, the steering wheel to people away what he to get people away from what he calls the sinkholes. and adrian says michelle, potholes on my street cost £320 for new street has cost me £320 for new spnngsin street has cost me £320 for new springs in my car. i've reported the potholes last year. nobody has done a thing there you go. tell me your stories of potholes wherever you are now. another

week and a new this time week and a new poll. this time the front page of the telegraph was dominated by this. i don't know if you saw the telegraph today, uh, out a picture of rishi looking not rishi sunak as well, looking not that i've got to say. now that happy, i've got to say. now this latest poll a yougov this latest poll is a yougov survey headline of which survey and the headline of which was basically saying that the tories on basically, tories are on a par. basically, they're going get out. they're going to get wiped out. uh, 1997 now, before we get into the, um, the whys and wherefores of this many of my viewers perhaps might not be as familiar with 1997 as your good self. just give a brief overview of what happened if you would back then, well, in 1992, then, richard. well, in 1992, then, richard. well, in 1992, the conservatives won a narrow majority after the polls were suggesting until quite late in the election campaign that labour would win. >> so was a surprise win. and >> so it was a surprise win. and then the conservatives were in government five years. and then the conservatives were in gove the ent five years. and then the conservatives were in gove the course five years. and then the conservatives were in gove the course ofe years. and then the conservatives were in gove the course of thatars. and over the course of that parliament they lost by elections this government . elections like this government. and so by the time that there was the election between john was the 97 election between john major the conservatives and major for the conservatives and tony blair for labour, the government didn't a government didn't have a majority. then labour, which

majority. and then labour, which was polling very , very well in was polling very, very well in the polls. sometimes over 20 point lead over the government actually underperformed on polling day, got about a 12 point lead. but that was enough to deliver a historically victory. and for the government to win 165 seats, which was a historic low for the conservatives so that's that's when people talk about a 1997 style election. that's the kind of election that they're talking about. so i'm going to come back to you on this synopsis for today. >> but before i do, uh, alex, you are a very keen tory. you support your party. well, when you see that headline at tories facing 1997 style wipe—out , do facing 1997 style wipe—out, do you agree with that? >> the polls have been sustained in what they've been indicating for some and one can be a for some time, and one can be a sceptic about polling generally or specific polls in particular. but you get this kind of but if you get this kind of sustained results, plainly sustained results, it's plainly the something to the public saying something to the public saying something to the party concerned. but the truth about polls course, truth about polls is, of course, they tell how people think they tell you how people think they tell you how people think they vote now. and the they would vote now. and the

election the election election isn't now. the election is a future time, and things is at a future time, and things can change just to put meat on those bones. you know, people being polled about how they those bones. you know, people being vote d about how they those bones. you know, people being vote d (scotland! they those bones. you know, people being vote d (scotland ahey those bones. you know, people being vote d (scotland a mere would vote in scotland a mere few months ago before the unbuilt collapse of the snp, would have given you a completely different set of results what we may see from results to what we may see from the public come polling day in the public come polling day in the uk. now, that is not to say the uk. now, that is not to say the government can be complacent and something will and say, well, something will come just carry on come along, let's just carry on and things will will and things will things will change. got to work change. they've got to work harder ever have, but harder than they ever have, but that in mind. that is worth bearing in mind. the thing i just mentioned the other thing i just mentioned is this in 1997, john major had no majority at all. now now. but whatever think whatever you think of the government, they have pretty government, they have a pretty chunky it's a much chunky majority. it's a much bigger hill for the labour party to think i can get >> i think as well i can get this graph up because there was a nice graph in the telegraph that screen whilst that i can put on screen whilst we're you. that shows we're talking to you. that shows the difference between the achievement election achievement of 2019 election versus current projection. achievement of 2019 election versus on current projection. achievement of 2019 election versus on this rent projection. achievement of 2019 election versus on this pollprojection. achievement of 2019 election versus on this poll foriection. achievement of 2019 election versus on this poll for 2024,. based on this poll for 2024, what do you make to this poll? do as accurate? do you regard it as accurate? what's thoughts it? richard >> polling is more of an art

than a science. in some ways, this particular poll has a lot to credit it. it's a very large sample. 14,000 people. it uses a method called multi—level regression and post—stratification mrp. and what that basically means is that it tries to use demographic data age and uh, uh, occupation and so on based on individual level responses to try to project out to how different constituencies would vote in an election based on the population makeup of a different constituency. these type of polls have been shown to be quite accurate relative to actual election results , both in actual election results, both in this country and in in in other countries like australia . so countries like australia. so although alex is right that a poll is not predictive, it's a snapshot of where we are right now. this is probably the

clearest snapshot that we've had in some time of where the electorate is, but there'll be many more viewers, right, who say, know what say, well, do you know what these polls are fascinating, but i've never polled i've never been polled for anything all of my life. anything in all of my life. >> uh, so, you know, is this stuff kind of worth the paper that it's written on? is it biased? of it. biased? all the rest of it. >> back in the day? um pollsters used an approach called used to use an approach called random dialling, is random digit dialling, which is that landline telephone that any any landline telephone in the country would have an equal probability of being rung up.and equal probability of being rung up. and at a time when there might have been fairly universal ownership of landline telephones, you basically had almost an equal chance of getting people. now, even in that, in that scenario , people that, in that scenario, people who were not at home at certain times of the day might be missed out and pollsters might have to reweight for that. but these days, when people don't have landline telephones, people don't phone . um, if don't answer their phone. um, if there's unknown number there's an unknown number calling them anymore, um , calling them anymore, um, pollsters use the internet more . pollsters use the internet more. and so yougov uses a panel where people actually opt in and say ,

people actually opt in and say, yes, i like to be yes, i would like to be surveyed. so one of the reasons people might not have been surveyed they've not opted surveyed is they've not opted in to panel. you might say, to this panel. you might say, well, that's biased then, because people who because it's only people who have well then? have opted in. well what then? yougov tries to try to use yougov tries to do is try to use the sort of census data that we have about the country, the age, racial, religious makeup of the country to then try and weight people's responses accordingly . people's responses accordingly. so it's not perfect, but in absence of a day, a period of time where people all had phones and everyone was answering their phone , this is the best phone, this is the best approximation we can get to. >> so when you look at this and this is not a great i mean, that picture, i'll get it up again on the screen for you. i mean it is disastrous for the tories. i've got to say you've got it was pretty much all blue. um summarising for anyone that's listening, it's pretty much all blue. now it's not. that is blue. and now it's not. that is the did the the short version. how did the tories this around? the short version. how did the toriwell, this around? the short version. how did the toriwell, before around? the short version. how did the toriwell, before wernd? the short version. how did the toriwell, before we go? the short version. how did the toriwell, before we go further on >> well, before we go further on turnaround, probably even turnaround, it's probably even worse terms of challenges

worse in terms of challenges than that because these the point snapshots point the point about snapshots is reassure is government might reassure itself. can change, but itself. things can change, but they get worse, of they could also get worse, of course. if and i'm course. and if and i'm conscious, i speak on news as conscious, i speak on gb news as i do this, if nigel farage returns to frontline politics, i think we would be likely to think that we would be likely to see party pick up in see a fringe party pick up in the polls beyond what you're seeing on these numbers and they whilst of course there are people who waver between voting labour and reform or labour and that kind of party, the government will think to itself, um, we are more likely to lose votes on the right to an organisation led by nigel farage. so there are things that could point to a greater challenge for the government. now, you will recall that prime minister five minister set himself five pledges, think that trying pledges, and i think that trying to deliver those five is to deliver on those five is a sensible pursuit for government, not least because they spent so sensible pursuit for government, not le time ecause they spent so sensible pursuit for government, not le time tellingthey spent so sensible pursuit for government, not letime telling usy spent so sensible pursuit for government, not letime telling us aboutit so sensible pursuit for government, not le time telling us about those much time telling us about those five pledges. but in reality, there is outsize that there is one outsize one that matters, and is stopping the matters, and it is stopping the boats. this government boats. if this government doesn't deliver meaningfully on its pledge, then it its migration pledge, then it will this result ,

will face this kind of result, which they're not at the moment. i mean, look, the part of the challenge the government is challenge for the government is they got there but they haven't got there yet, but again, is again, like polling, this is a snapshot what where people snapshot of what where people are now. the point on are now. and the point on migration where migration is that's where a government may not government is now. it may not reflect reality. by the time reflect the reality. by the time we go to the polls. >> and what i find interesting as is there'll be a great as well is there'll be a great number people, richard, that number of people, richard, that are vote, that are just not going to vote, that they disillusioned, they are so disillusioned, they're up with everyone. they're so fed up with everyone. quite frankly, they think there are them. just a bunch are lots of them. just a bunch of well, can't say of you know, well, i can't say the words because it's teatime, but you get my point. they're not represented anywhere. not really represented anywhere. >> an >> well. and there's an interesting parallel with 1997. in 1992, major won the most in 1992, john major won the most votes uh, can, you know, votes of any, uh, can, you know, leader for the premiership of all time. and so when blair won that huge labour landslide in 1997, he actually won fewer votes overall than john major had won because cause a lot of the tory voters in the country had just dropped out and didn't show up in the polls. and that's

less damaging to the tories than them voting labour. but if they're they're not showing up, that's still pretty bad news for the government. >> see, that parallels fascinating because that is being at moment in being reflected at the moment in the much larger group of people who saying not to who are saying not going to vote, to pollsters than in vote, uh, to pollsters than in the past don't and the past and don't know and don't votes wildly , don't votes are wildly, disproportionately from don't votes are wildly, dispropwho nately from don't votes are wildly, dispropwho voted from don't votes are wildly, dispropwho voted tory from don't votes are wildly, dispropwho voted tory infrom don't votes are wildly, dispropwho voted tory in 2019, people who voted tory in 2019, many were loaning their many of whom were loaning their votes the government, and votes to the government, and bofis votes to the government, and boris and brexit and so boris johnson and brexit and so forth. but means that the forth. but that means that the challenge government challenge for the government is very least very hard. but at least identifiable. it's winning back people them last people who voted for them last time. not like an time. it's not like it's an enormous challenge. it's so opaque you can't work out opaque and you can't work out what winning back what it is. it's winning back your vote . your own vote. >> you see, you say it's your own but actually, see, one own vote, but actually, see, one of reasons that tories of the reasons that the tories did well is because people did so well is because people lent them a vote. so wasn't lent them a vote. so it wasn't the tory vote. it was like a lending someone that either lending of someone that either wasn't or was wasn't engaged previously or was engaged elsewhere. >> the other thing >> and so that's the other thing that's clear, right? that's quite clear, right? the last election bbc boris, last election was bbc boris, brexit none of brexit and corbyn. and none of those speaking, brexit and corbyn. and none of thogoing speaking, brexit and corbyn. and none of thogoing to speaking, brexit and corbyn. and none of thogoing to apply speaking, brexit and corbyn. and none of thogoing to apply this)eaking, brexit and corbyn. and none of thogoing to apply this time. g, are going to apply this time. and that means you have to find

a new song to sing, you have to find message and that's find a new message and that's why prime minister has why the prime minister has sought the sought to position the conservative as a party of conservative party as a party of change, which very difficult change, which is very difficult after government after you've been in government for this long. >> well, i can tell you this rates will be heading towards world iii some world war iii at some point, potentially, before next potentially, uh, before the next election, everyone carries on election, if everyone carries on the currently are. the way that they currently are. rishi addressing the rishi sunak was addressing the commons for first time commons today for the first time since strike on houthis. since his strike on the houthis. let's have a listen to what let's just have a listen to what he had to say. let's just have a listen to what he it d to say. let's just have a listen to what he it was say. let's just have a listen to what he it was aay. let's just have a listen to what he it was a necessary and >> it was a necessary and proper, passionate to a proper, passionate response to a direct threat uk vessels and direct threat to uk vessels and therefore the itself . the therefore to the uk itself. the houthis on international houthis attack on international shipping have put innocent lives at risk. they have held one crew hostage for almost two months and they are causing growing economic disruption . economic disruption. >> now, richard, i'll start with you on this. what do you think? um to. well, let's get it back to basics. the fact that the uk joined in this strike on friday. >> well, ultimately , as part of >> well, ultimately, as part of an international system , the

an international system, the united kingdom needs to think about what its responsibilities are and how far it can meet those responsibilities . and if those responsibilities. and if the uk , um, doesn't get involved the uk, um, doesn't get involved , then practically speaking , , then practically speaking, this becomes a matter for the united states to deal with. and that can be, you know, that can be okay . at and the situation be okay. at and the situation could be resolved in that way. but as the uncertainty is in the united states, become greater, and i think we in the united kingdom need to think about actually what our own responsibility is. ah, and so i don't think it was wrong for the, for the uk government to, to act here. um, and i and, and actually i think other um major defence players like like france for example, need to think about their responsibility to upholding this international system , uh, which is being system, uh, which is being directly challenged here. the

issue of international trade, that's, that's the key thing here. the piracy, um , is here. the piracy, um, is disrupting the ability of free trade around the world. and that, i think is something that we all share a responsibility to upholding. >> yes. the houthi rebels claim to be acting, at least in part or their support. their supporters believe it or not, there are some claim they are acting because of this current situation in israel. but the international shipping, they're striking are flags from striking is are flags from around the world. and indeed they are they are using military weapons again against commercial civilian ships , a war crime. civilian ships, a war crime. they are using , uh, weapons that they are using, uh, weapons that are meant for war between armed combatants against civilians, war crime . so when people say war crime. so when people say that the united kingdom shouldn't be acting, i think they are completely wrong and missing the point. now, we may see france, italy, germany change their position if and when government of yemen, when the government of yemen, currently exile because of currently in exile because of these takes these rebels, um, takes a different position. but for now, they're staying out. but that

doesn't mean shouldn't do the doesn't mean we shouldn't do the right thing. >> yeah. i mean, you for >> yeah. i mean, you say for everyone says everyone that says that i disagreed. i was one of those people that disagreed. on friday, questioning people that disagreed. on frideconstantly|estioning people that disagreed. on frideconstantly if;tioning people that disagreed. on frideconstantly if thising people that disagreed. on frideconstantly if this is| people that disagreed. on frideconstantly if this is a why constantly if this is a global issue, an international issue going to affect issue that's going to affect everyone world, everyone all over the world, why is literally is it always us literally sending metres away from the backside of america following them? would argue, because few them? i would argue, because few indeed will and the indeed have the will and the capability both at the time capability both at the same time will and the capability. we can't sort our channel out. can't even sort our channel out. we literally just did it out we literally we just did it out the channel. >> just did it. >> we just did it. >> we just did it. >> well, there you go. what do you it all? i also, you make to it all? i also, after this break, we'll pick back that story about back up on that story about yemen. but i also want to talk to you as well nato. so to you as well about nato. so grant saying people grant shapps he's saying people have step up pay more. have to step up and pay more. uh, don't people do uh, well, why don't people do that why it always on that then? why is it always on us? and get everyone us? and get this, everyone a trillionaire. think trillionaire. why do you think that should even be a thing in our society? oxfam says in about the ten years, apparently, the next ten years, apparently, uh, going to have uh, that is, we're going to have our trillionaire. our first trillionaire. why is that or not? tell me

delivered for that radical

reform that they voted for in 2019, and they also certainly voted for in 2016. >> hello there. i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company until 7:00 tonight. we were just started the conversation on the show tonight talking about the grooming gang scandal, one that, um, that i have to repeat myself and say, i still think goes to on this day. uh, yvonne says it's not difficult for us to talk at all. it was talk about at all. it was difficult for the girls. everyone seems forget everyone always seems to forget these yvonne. she these people, says yvonne. she lives rotherham. she says lives in rotherham. she says it's disgraceful that heads it's disgraceful that no heads have oliver should have rolled. miss oliver should be has gone be made a dame. she has gone beyond the call of duty to help each and every one of these girls. philip says wife knows girls. philip says my wife knows some girls and reported some of these girls and reported abuse the social and abuse to the social workers, and it years to come to it still took years to come to light. we know work with a light. we know and work with a few of the women today. it's a scandal it's needs scandal and it's still needs properly investigating. also, just break, we were just before the break, we were talking about the fact that rishi sunak has been in front of the commons today defending his decision to launch air strikes. the commons today defending his declance,) launch air strikes. the commons today defending his declance, said nch air strikes. the commons today defending his

declance, said michelle, �*ikes. the commons today defending his declance, said michelle, �*iksaid uh lance, said michelle, i said this you friday. when you this to you on friday. when you criticise this move, you seem to be anti—british, british and today changed my today i have not changed my mind. find a little mind. i just find it a little peculiar. alex that people seem to be blindly , um, tiptoeing in to be blindly, um, tiptoeing in some ways into world war iii. you've got rishi sunak standing there talking about, yeah, we've got these limited non escalatory strikes and all the rest of it . strikes and all the rest of it. well it didn't make much difference did it? well because the houthis have carried on again today. >> i don't think you're anti—british at all. that's certainly not something i certainly not something that i would would say the would say, but i would say the reason i don't see this as a particular significance. of course, alive to the course, i'm always alive to the risk and danger of escalation. but the reason i don't think that particularly applies in this is the government this case is that the government , the sovereign government of yemen, largely in exile , is yemen, largely in exile, is basically saudi puppet, and basically a saudi puppet, and most of them are in saudi arabia and riyadh and so forth. at the moment, because they're not safe in their own country. and the houthi clue's in the houthi rebels, clue's in the name not government of name are not the government of yemen, are largely an yemen, and they are largely an iranian . and this iranian puppet. and this conflict's going on since

conflict's been going on since 2014. that we 2014. so the notion that we didn't here, it's didn't start anything here, it's been ten years, been going on for ten years, right? so we we've taken a side now in this because one of the sides concerned which controls a big the yemeni big old chunk of the yemeni shoreline, started taking shots at when i say us, i mean at us. and when i say us, i mean the rest of the world, michelle, they didn't care what nationality well and nationality the. alex. well and they should come. they should come issue is i do not let >> so my issue is i do not let me be clear because people are saying, oh, you're anti—british or you're sick because you don't understand global understand what a global shipping be shipping route is. let me be absolutely clear. i do not want international shipping to be disrupted. want all disrupted. i do not want all the knock effects of the price knock on effects of the price rises inflation and god knock on effects of the price rises knows inflation and god knock on effects of the price rises knows what ation and god knock on effects of the price rises knows what else and god knock on effects of the price rises knows what else will god knock on effects of the price rises knows what else will come only knows what else will come but when talk about global but when we talk about global shipping, international threats, why ? why is it always the uk who why? why is it always the uk who are literally centimetres away from america's behind rushing head first? if you waited, and if you waited until france got its act together, we'd all have very good cheese and wine, but we'd all be dead. >> we're on the un security council. we're one of the major

defence spenders the world. defence spenders in the world. we are one of the few countries that have the capability to be part of this. one of the issues |, part of this. one of the issues i, i understand and sympathise with the probabilities . with the probabilities. >> have we got we're constantly running down our armed forces. you are right on that. >> i mean that we have seen under—investment in, in our armed forces over the last decade, and that has limited our capabilities. um, and, and that is that is a problem and that should be redressed. but one of the wider issues that we have here is that because we experienced in the last 20 years, the frankly, the catastrophe of the iraq war, invasion , there is a echoing invasion, there is a echoing sentiment of, um , distrust at sentiment of, um, distrust at getting involved in future military engagement . and i can military engagement. and i can understand that , and i can understand that, and i can sympathise with that. but we mustn't allow the iraq war to prevent us from ever being

involved and ever holding up our side of our duty and responsibility to upholding the international system . international system. >> i just worry that people are not and this is not i can't believe because so many people are getting in touch, basically saying that i am anti—british or whatever, which obviously whatever, which i am obviously not. but it's just for me, the long strategic of what long time strategic view of what is actually trying to is it you're actually trying to achieve? you achieve? because as you mentioned, houthis been mentioned, the houthis have been fighting arabia now for fighting saudi arabia now for years and years and years. it hasn't them off. hasn't really put them off. they've their strikes they've carried on their strikes since will since then and they will continue so i don't really continue to. so i don't really know what is we're trying to achieve. >> well, it's pretty specific here. not going to we're here. we're not going to we're not to go and run yemen. not going to go and run yemen. in we had a go at in fact, we had a good go at that aden was a british that before. aden was a british crown colony. that's that crown colony. right. that's that is agenda here. our is not our agenda here. our agenda is not to send agenda here is not to send a message either. these weren't symbolic strikes. what was it? it systematically degrade it was to systematically degrade their bombs on their ability to drop bombs on international and if international shipping and if someone with rocket, someone pops up with a rocket, our intention kill them. our intention was to kill them. that the job of the british that is the job of the british armed forces to close with and do to the king's enemies.

do harm to the king's enemies. and they a pretty and i'd say they did a pretty bloody good job. >> didn't get on to nato >> we didn't even get on to nato grant shapps as well. has grant shapps as well. he has been the need for been talking about the need for countries more. so he's countries to spend more. so he's talking about the uk. uh meeting its target its 2.5. nice to have target seven. only out of 31 seven. only seven out of 31 members in nato. alex they only those out. the fact those guys seven out. the fact they their target they won't meet their 2% target and our defence secretary is absolutelyyou like president >> and if you like president trump you'll be pleased by trump then you'll be pleased by his consistency being right his consistency in being right on if you dislike on this. and if you dislike president trump then you'll think a stopped is think even a stopped clock is right twice day. because right twice a day. because trump said throughout his time as president were being president that they were being undermined systemic under undermined by systemic under investment in the armed forces. and it was only for and in fact, it was only for even during trump's presidency was estonia was the uk, the us and estonia that target. some that met their 2% target. some countries are now coming up to meet the mark, least the meet the mark, not least the germans. germans are going meet the mark, not least the gespend. germans are going meet the mark, not least the gespend properly mans are going meet the mark, not least the ge spend properly on ns are going meet the mark, not least the gespend properly on defence)ing to spend properly on defence materiel. it changes the environment completely. >> wasn't just, uh , >> richard, it wasn't just, uh, trump, actually president trump, it was actually president obama who also made this , uh, obama who also made this, uh, ask many times. obama who also made this, uh, ask many times . perhaps he just ask many times. perhaps he just made it a bit more politely than than trump did. i mean, there's

an issue where after the end of the cold war, there was this kind of sense that nato was potentially becoming a bit of a redundant relic of a different age . but now in the last decade age. but now in the last decade or so, as as russia has become much more aggressive and hostile, that we can see now the importance of nato . and i think importance of nato. and i think countries, including , as alex countries, including, as alex mentioned, germany and others are starting to realise that they've got to play their part, that this is a vital organisation that must continue. >> i don't doubt you. i think nato is a very vital organisation. uh, so if it's so vital to everyone's security, get hands your own get your hands in your own pockets pay your pockets and actually pay your way. instead of expecting way. then instead of expecting people you out, people like us to bail you out, how about that ? uh, listen, do how about that? uh, listen, do you do not google this, you know and do not google this, please, because be please, because i will be checking. know how checking. uh, do you know how many zeros there is in a trillion? do you know the answer to the boss of to that? oxfam. the boss of oxfam, says now that within the next ten years, essentially oxfam, says now that within the next tgoingars, essentially oxfam, says now that within the next tgoing to essentially oxfam, says now that within the next tgoing to see entially oxfam, says now that within the next tgoing to see ourally oxfam, says now that within the next tgoing to see our first we're going to see our first trillion. is that a trillion. there is that a problem? some people say absolutely is. what says absolutely yes, it is. what says

you

? hello there. 7 hello there. i'm ? hello there. i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company till seven. pr consultant alex dean and the senior lecturer at queen mary university, richard johnson, alongside me . carol johnson, is alongside me. carol says. ask both your says. can you ask both of your panellists to and stand for panellists to run and stand for parliament? she says you are very intelligent, articulate and common guess she likes common sense. guess she likes you most. do know how many you most. do you know how many zeros in a trillion? zeros are in a trillion? >> i think it's 12. >> i think it's12. >> i think it's12. >> how many do you think? >> how many do you think? >> i also think it's 12, >> how many do you think? >> i also think it's12, but >> i also think it's 12, but i bearin >> i also think it's 12, but i bear in mind because traditionally, at least in britain, a billion was 1,000,000 million, america a billion million, and america a billion is a thousand million, which we've accept. it may be we've come to accept. it may be one those things where we're one of those things where we're separated common language separated by a common language with transatlantic cousins. separated by a common language witiwell,transatlantic cousins. separated by a common language witiwell, guess:lantic cousins. separated by a common language witiwell, guess what: cousins. separated by a common language witiwell, guess what i'm|sins. to >> well, guess what i'm going to go 12. it's 12, >> well, guess what i'm going to go 12. it's12, i >> well, guess what i'm going to go 12. it's 12, i think. go for 12. it's12, i think. yeah let me put this yeah look at it. let me put this on the screen just to show you just how much it trillion actually look that ladies actually is. look at that ladies and that is a lot of

and gents. that is a lot of wonga. i'm talking about trillions because, uh, oxfam say it's acceptable it's completely un acceptable that become that somebody could become a trillionaire within next trillionaire within the next decade while simultaneously poverty be eradicated for poverty won't be eradicated for 229 years. where are you on this, richard? >> i don't think that we need trillionaires in this world. i don't think anyone needs that amount of money. i think that having people with that obscene amount of wealth is corrosive to society. i mean, anyone who has that amount of wealth can hardly empathise with with really anyone else in their society except those who are, uh, extreme rich. i also think that there's a problem in a democracy with some people having this kind of wealth, because with wealth comes power. but this is not accountable power. and this is power that can be used to influence the political process. uh, much more than the votes of ordinary individuals. and so i think it's something we should

be very wary of. are you wary and worried about it, alex? >> completely disagree. >> completely disagree. >> i am intensely relaxed about people becoming rich as people becoming filthy rich as long their tax. as long as they pay their tax. as peter mandelson said. and he was right say that. and that's right to say that. and that's the that i approve the kind of lefty that i approve of. and that not least of. and he said that not least because upon a time the because once upon a time the left had tradition, had left had a tradition, had a sensible view, the centrist left had a sensible view the fact had a sensible view on the fact that rising tide will float that a rising tide will float all boats and instead we've that a rising tide will float all boaupand instead we've that a rising tide will float all boa up with nstead we've that a rising tide will float all boa up with this, d we've that a rising tide will float all boa up with this, um a've that a rising tide will float all boaup with this, um ,ve that a rising tide will float all boaup with this, um , uh, wound up with this, um, uh, politics of envy and this economics of envy. fascinatingly, i'm not accusing you of this, richard. this economics of envy, which would rather that people were worse off long as the gap was off as long as the gap was smaller. people have become obsessed completely obsessed with this completely fictitious of relative fictitious notion of relative poverty , absolute poverty, where poverty, absolute poverty, where people don't have enough to eat and have nothing to drink, don't have shelter, terrible have shelter, is a terrible blight humanity. but good blight on humanity. but good news, have been lifting news, we have been lifting people out of absolute poverty in unprecedented in the world at unprecedented rates because of capitalism . rates because of capitalism. okay, you want two more things. the first point is, if we don't have really wealthy people , we have a really wealthy people, we will never have the next bounds

of endeavour. we've spent generations put a man on the moon and not done anything about it. going to be it. since it's going to be private individuals. bill private individuals. what bill gates course i was. i was gates of course i was. i was amazed to hear that people, amazed that to hear that people, some people think can't be some people think you can't be rich empathetic. rich and empathetic. people like bill donated more of bill gates have donated more of their wealth. warren buffett, of course. example, more of course. another example, more of their to um, to their wealth, uh, to um, to charity others. and think charity than others. and i think it's causes of their it's very of causes of their choice and who knows. >> these are and it might have been oxfam, but oxfam has had a p0p been oxfam, but oxfam has had a pop at them. >> so i think they're rather less likely to receive it. >> but, but, but what's wrong with someone donating to the causes choice? causes of their choice? >> does whether >> everyone does that. whether you every or 5 million. you donate every 1 or 5 million. >> right. think on >> that's right. and i think on a, a, on a much smaller a, on a, on a much smaller level, individual levels of charity and philanthropy to causes care about causes that we care about is perfectly but when perfectly legitimate. but when we're about millions we're talking about millions or billions being billions of pounds being allocated to one cause at the expense of the other, these individuals are not in a position to be deciding where where some of the some of these resources are best spent.

>> but it's better than it's better than nothing. >> you know. >> you know. >> but it's not. >> but it's not. >> but it's not. >> but it's not the question is not nothing. the not that or nothing. the question we as as question is whether we as a as a society ought to have a say on how the resources in our society are best. >> that's what i was going to say governments around say to you. governments around the world have become obsessed with the next with answering the next challenge, headline, with answering the next cha problem headline, with answering the next cha problem that's headline, with answering the next cha problem that's rightiline, with answering the next cha problem that's right in1e, the problem that's right in front them. we've front of them. and we've essentially for essentially given up, for example, fact that we've example, on the fact that we've got our eggs in one basket. got all our eggs in one basket. we on one planet. and if we are all on one planet. and if something truly terrible happens, then that is the extinction of the extinction of humanity. of the five just saw, two of five people we just saw, two of them are those driving the next, them are those driving the next, the space exploration, which governments the space exploration, which goversingularly on have singularly failed on in terms of real, meaningful next steps. so for i'm steps. so for me, i i'm surprised position. but surprised by that position. but the other i'd say is, once the other thing i'd say is, once you're that obscene you're saying that it's obscene for to have that kind of for people to have that kind of wealth, once you start going down once you start down that road, once you start saying, don't that guy saying, i don't like that guy over having that because over there having that because i haven't it, that should be haven't got it, that should be taken away from him. there is no end to it. >> i feel i feel worse for the for people who have the

for the people who have the wealth in this sense that they live in such a cloistered world that actually spend that they can't actually spend time things, that time doing normal things, that people in their. >> heard it all now, >> i've heard it all now, richard, these, richard, feel sorry for these, uh, multi i would accept that burden. elon yeah know burden. elon musk yeah i know you want to give him £193 billion and sorry me. billion and feel sorry for me. i'd every single second i'd take it every single second of day. fred says of the day. uh, fred says michelle, how you stop all michelle, how do you stop all these , interfering? these people, uh, interfering? they with everything they interfere with everything so many people say. uh, many of you still get in touch. you're saying how annoyed you are with me tonight about my position. but that's the beauty of this program. we agree to program. we can agree to disagree. respectfully. debate. that's more of in that's what we need more of in this country, not kevin this country, not less. kevin says anyone got says. what right has anyone got to about how much money to say about how much money someone have here, here someone else can have here, here to that spot on. richard, thank you much for your company. you very much for your company. uh, thank as well uh, alex dean, thank you as well for nice nigel farage up for yours. nice nigel farage up next. anywhere . no nights. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb

news. >> hello again. very good evening to you. i'm alex burkill here with your latest gb news weather forecast. the cold themes set to continue. and so it stay frosty and icy at it will stay frosty and icy at times with some snow showers too. there is the too. but there is also the potential for heavy, potential for some heavy, persistent across northern persistent snow across northern parts tuesday. in parts as we go into tuesday. in association with a weather system currently towards the northwest of the uk. however as we go through this evening and overnight, it's going to be cold. going to be frosty. cold. it's going to be frosty. we will further snow showers we will see further snow showers feeding down brisk feeding down on a brisk northerly particularly northerly wind, so particularly across northern scotland and anywhere that anywhere exposed to that northerly that's where northerly wind. that's where we're to see the we're most likely to see the snow elsewhere. further snow showers elsewhere. further inland drive some clear inland largely drive some clear skies under clear skies, skies and under the clear skies, a coldest a widespread frost coldest across parts of scotland, could get into negative double figures as through tuesday. then, as we go through tuesday. then, for much of england and wales, and largely fine day and actually a largely fine day again. some winter sunshine around, the around, but further north the potential for some persistent snow to push in parts of snow to push in across parts of northern ireland, northern england particularly across england and particularly across scotland , could see more than scotland, could see more than ten centimetres of snow, perhaps , and so that could cause some

significant disruption . again, significant disruption. again, it to a cold day, it is going to be a cold day, temperatures a little bit below average the time of as average for the time of year. as we look towards wednesday, and there is feature towards there is a feature towards the south currently likely south of the uk currently likely just stay to the south of us. just to stay to the south of us. but potential it could bring but the potential it could bring a significant snow to a bit of significant snow to southern the uk. southern parts of the uk. further looking largely further north, looking largely dry. sunshine dry. plenty of winter sunshine again, some snow showers for again, but some snow showers for far northern parts , perhaps far northern parts, perhaps later the week. likely to later on in the week. likely to turn drier and temperatures lifting little bit too. by by lifting a little bit too. by by looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> good. >> good. >> good. >> good evening. i'm broadcasting to you live from iowa. the caucus takes place at 7 pm. here. this evening. i'll

be joined by jason miller, who is trump's chief adviser. be joined by jason miller, who is trump's chief adviser . there is trump's chief adviser. there will also look at the recent strikes against the houthis. ask what next? i'll be really perhaps now going to war with iran . we'll also look and see. iran. we'll also look and see. are we are the tories actually facing a 1997 style wipe—out in the polls , or is it just as some the polls, or is it just as some newspapers suggest , all the newspapers suggest, all the fault of the reform party? and we'll look at the rwanda latest with the tories appear to be very, very split. but all of that comes after the news with polly middlehurst . polly middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you and good evening to you. well, the top story from the jp newsroom is that rishi sunak is facing multiple rebellions this week as crucial debates take place on the rwanda bill. it comes as new figures reveal that more than 200 migrants crossed the channel in small boats at the weekend, and yesterday five migrants died in the channel after their small boat got into difficulties