hofizon horizon post office scandal, the horizon post office scandal, did not act when they knew there were faults in their own system. he doesn't know why they didn't act . rwanda showdown rishi sunak act. rwanda showdown rishi sunak is facing opposition to his flagship rwanda policy from some of his own mps. >> when the bill is debated again in parliament today, we'll be crossing live to the house of commons later on. for yet another ding dong as amendments are thrown at the bill from every angle . every angle. >> oh gosh. >> oh gosh. >> and trump, on top. the former president of the united states wins big in iowa, the first state to vote in the republican primary contest, kicking off the 2024 presidential race. what is it about trump that turns out the vote in arctic blizzard conditions? well there's a lot on today,

isn't there? >> there is. and this morning we've been hearing, of course, from those fujitsu bosses . the from those fujitsu bosses. the current bosses have been talking to in to a select committee in parliament, and the former bosses have been talking to the honzon bosses have been talking to the horizon post office inquiry. yes >> so the i don't know why we didn't act came from the europe chief, paul patterson . he was chief, paul patterson. he was asked why did they not act when they knew there were glitches , they knew there were glitches, glitches in the system ? he says, glitches in the system? he says, i don't know, i really don't know. and he says on a personal level, i wish i did well. yes, that would be nice. >> i think i know why they didn't act. come on. i think it's probably quite probable that they hoped act. well, that they hoped that act. well, i think they thought acting i think they thought that acting would be expensive, time consuming and lose them contracts. and hey, it's only a few postmasters that might be affected by a by a few tens of thousands of pounds. so these bosses, what money is that ? bosses, what money is that? >> this is crucial when it comes to who's going to be paying all of compensation. i'd much of this compensation. i'd much rather was big corporation rather it was a big corporation than the taxpayer. >> absolutely . it's it

>> yes, absolutely. it's it seems that it would be very inequitable to, for hard working taxpayers to be put on the hook for this when there are probably going to be some, some key people to blame at the end of all of these inquiries. absolutely. >> let us know what you think so far. if you've been following what's going on in the inquiry, the committee hearing, what's going on in the inquiry, the us committee hearing, what's going on in the inquiry, the us know.�*mmittee hearing, what's going on in the inquiry, the us know. vaiews@gbnews.com let us know. vaiews@gbnews.com we'll be getting the highlights for you. but first your headunes for you. but first your headlines sophia . headlines with sophia. >> thanks, emily. good afternoon. it's 12:02. i'm sophia wenzler afternoon. it's12:02. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom wrongfully convicted subpostmaster alan bates has told the business and trade committee the compensation process has gone far too . long. process has gone far too. long. they're looking at the appeal process in place to help overturn convictions and to delivering fair and timely compensation for the victims

names. meanwhile, the fujitsu boss has apologised and says the company have a moral obligation to contribute to the compensation scheme. alan bates blames red tape and bureaucracy for compensation delays . for compensation delays. >> i mean, there is no reason at all why full financial redress shouldn't have been delivered by now. it's gone on for far too long. people are suffering. they've been they're dying. we're losing numbers along the way. and it's just seems to be tied up in bureaucracy . tied up in bureaucracy. >> a mass meeting of tory mps on the conservative right has called this evening ahead of the rwanda bill vote number 10 is pleading to tory rebels , saying pleading to tory rebels, saying the rwanda plan is the missing piece to the government's approach to stopping the boats. westminster sources say all colleagues concerned about the rwanda bill are invited to meet at 5 pm. later, the current rwanda legislation will be debated in the commons this afternoon . lee anderson and afternoon. lee anderson and

brendan clarke—smith are among more than 60 tory mps who are backing moves to toughen up the flagship migration policy, rebelling mps fear courts will be overwhelmed with appeals from asylum seekers earmarked to be deported, although the prime minister promises to allocate over 100 judges to these cases , over 100 judges to these cases, lee anderson says the bill needs to be fine tuned . to be fine tuned. >> we just feel that there's a few areas in the bill that could be strengthened to make sure that it's watertight . and let's that it's watertight. and let's not forget, we're less than a year away from a general election now, and the last thing i want over there is a labour lot coming in and repealing the rwanda scheme. and opening the borders to 100,000 odd illegal migrants here, which they will do if they sign up to any eu sort of deal. so this is not about us rebelling. it's about us you know what the us saying, you know what the bill most of is satisfactory. bill most of it is satisfactory. you need to beef up you just need to beef it up a little bit . little bit. >> and shadow paymaster general jonathan ashworth insists that the legislation will never pass the legislation will never pass the commons under rishi sunaks

leadership . leadership. >> this is the third piece of legislation. the government have brought forward to try and deal with this problem, and rishi sunak stop sunak keeps saying he'll stop the and every time he says the boats and every time he says that fails and he's exposed that he fails and he's exposed to completely weak , he's to being completely weak, he's got own deputy chair, got his own deputy chair, chairman , of one of chairman, one of them, one of your presenters, of course, your tv presenters, of course, actually defying him. and he's not doing anything about it. completely weak. he's never going grip this problem or going to grip this problem or this country is never going to grip problem we, while grip this problem when we, while we have a weak prime we have such a weak prime minister further signs minister there are further signs that the jobs market is cooling as wage growth slows, new figures from the office for national statistics found that the weekly wage the uk's average weekly wage growth eased to 6.6% in the three months to november. >> it's the lowest rate since january last year. it means pay packets grew faster than the rate of price rises, work and pensions secretary mel stride says the government's plan is working . working. >> what these figures show is that inflation now is under half of what it was a year ago,

beating the target set by the prime minister that's taking some pressure off people in terms of cost of living . we're terms of cost of living. we're seeing near record levels of employment, near record low levels unemployment. we're levels of unemployment. we're seeing increasing , of seeing real wages increasing, of course, for the fifth month in a row now. and all this progress is because we've got a very clear plan of turning the economy around, giving us a brighter future . brighter future. >> now, parts of the uk faces another day of cold temperatures after overnight lows dropping below freezing. the met office says a cold plunge of arctic air has moved south across the whole of the country over the past few days, making it 5 to 6 degrees lower than usual for this time of year. the met office has issued yellow warnings for snow andice issued yellow warnings for snow and ice covering northern areas of england, parts of wales and all scotland, and it remains all of scotland, and it remains in until midnight. all of scotland, and it remains in until midnight . but it in place until midnight. but it has warned for snow showers , has warned for snow showers, power cuts and possible delays to trains air travel. to trains and air travel. climate change has been named the 2023 children's word of the

year by oxford university press . year by oxford university press. over 3000 children aged 6 to 14 were asked their word of the yean were asked their word of the year, with the most common response being climate change, followed closely by war and coronation. director of oxford children's helen freeman, says it shows children desire meaningful change and cabinet office have unveiled a new official portrait of king charles to hang in public spaces . councils, courts and schools will be able to now request their own free and framed portrait of the monarch at £8 million has been earmarked for the plan to hang the new image of charles in buildings across the uk. some campaigners say it's a waste of money, but the cabinet office says it carries on a tradition this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to tom and . emily.

tom and. emily. >> good afternoon britain . it's >> good afternoon britain. it's 12:08 and this afternoon mps will begin debating the government's controversial rwanda bill with a lengthy parliamentary session expected throughout the day. >> yes, the vote could see a large scale rebellion by right wing mps. there's two there within the prime minister's own party after tory deputy chairman lee anderson and former immigration minister robert jenrick signalled they would back that would see back amendment that would see people who crossed the channel in small boats be immediately removed. with no right to appeal. >> the former prime minister, bofis >> the former prime minister, boris johnson, also joined calls to adopt these amendments , with to adopt these amendments, with make the bill legally robust as possible, being his call taking to social media this morning to say that governments around the world are now trying to imitate the uk rwanda policy for tackling illegal people trafficking. >> so how big could this rebellion be? let's turn to our political correspondent, katherine forster for catherine,

lots of mps coming out of the woodwork to have their say that this bill needs to be toughened up. are there more mps, tory mps, that is, who want this bill toughened than they do want toughened up than they do want the bill as it currently is ? the bill as it currently is? >> well, there's certainly a lot of mps not happy with the bill as it stands, but even though a lot of them seem poised to vote for these amendments, that's a very different thing to finally voting for or against the bill tomorrow. so just to run you through what's going to happen , through what's going to happen, the debate is going to start sometime after 12:30. they're going to debate the bill for about six hours. dame eleanor laing, the deputy speaker , will laing, the deputy speaker, will decide pick about four amendments out of some 35 pages of them to be debated today, and another four to be debated tomorrow. they'll spend hours discussing them. then they will vote on all of the amendments for today . this evening . the for today. this evening. the same thing will happen tomorrow .

same thing will happen tomorrow. then, at the end of that process , potentially tomorrow night. what's called the third reading there will be the final vote on whether this bill passes or not. at that point , if whether this bill passes or not. at that point, if and i think it's a very big if, the government lost that and don't forget, it would only take 30 tory mps to vote against it. there would be chaos , frankly. there would be chaos, frankly. rishi sunaks authority would be absolutely shot . the bill would absolutely shot. the bill would fail. they would be back to square one with a general election looming. i don't think that's likely to happen . that's likely to happen. although, my goodness, look at politics over the last few years .look politics over the last few years . look at all the things that didn't seem likely that have happened. but certainly rishi sunakin happened. but certainly rishi sunak in a lot of difficulty today , number 10, saying just in today, number 10, saying just in the last few minutes, pleading with the rebels, saying that this rwanda plan was the missing piece of the government's plan to tackle the boats to stop the

boats. number 10, there's still having meetings with the rebels trying to find a way through . trying to find a way through. they're making offers in terms of more judges to speed through applications, trying to get people on side . but my goodness, people on side. but my goodness, it's very difficult . and many it's very difficult. and many tory mps on the right of the party having a meeting at 5:00 this afternoon, danny kruger of the new conservatives have sent invitations out. so a big meeting ing, presumably to decide how they're going to vote on these amendments tonight. so watch this space. but my goodness, you know, isaac levido , the tory strategist , , the tory strategist, mastermind of the elections meeting, the 1922 committee, saying , uh, you know, you need saying, uh, you know, you need we need a divided a united party to have any chance of winning the election. we must stand united. but at the moment, the conservative party seems yet again to be in a state of civil war. >> catherine, the list of

amendments that are going to be voted on today is gargantuan. i'm scrolling through it here. there are 36 pages of amendments , some pages with 3 or 4 amendments on each page. there are probably more than 50 amendments that are before the house this evening. i suppose some of them will be grouped, but this is a seismic day of debate and vote after vote after vote . vote. >> yes, it is. and the ones that dame eleanor lange um, selects . dame eleanor lange um, selects. we may find that out at the beginning of the session. we may not find it out till a little bit later. let's see. but of the ones being put forward for discussion today, the two biggest are one put forward by bill cash. to put the notwithstanding clauses back in the bill. um, basically letting the bill. um, basically letting the government defy international law. and then also robert jenrick, the former immigration minister, who of course used to be a huge supporter of rishi sunak. he was brought into the home office

basically to keep an eye on suella braverman. that hasn't worked out terribly well for the prime minister because he is now very firmly saying the bill needs to be amended and he's attempting to block most suspensive claims. so more than likely that those 2nd may be selective. of the dozens there. let's see what happens this afternoon . but another couple of afternoon. but another couple of huge days in westminster for the government and for the prime minister's authority really on the line . if he should lose the line. if he should lose these votes, a lot of power in that selection of which amendments to put to vote. >> you much indeed, >> thank you very much indeed, catherine, political catherine, for star political correspondent. shall speak to correspondent. shall we speak to our editor now, our political editor now, christopher hope, because is christopher hope, because he is fresh lobby he joins fresh out of lobby and he joins us street . uh, us from downing street. uh, christopher, thank you for joining us. what have you found out ? out? >> well , the government said >> well, the government said that the pm's official spokesman has issued an appeal to rebels meeting at 5 pm. today. as catherine was saying, there to try and bring them round and understand this is the missing piece in stopping the boats.

they call it the missing piece. that's a line there from rishi sunak, prime he's sunak, the prime minister. he's working 10 behind me working in number 10 behind me all . they're saying there all day. they're saying there that conversations are still ongoing the ongoing about whether the government might table its own amendments try and see off amendments to try and see off some of these rebel amendments, tabled many as 63 might back tabled as many as 63 might back them today. the ones in place there from bill cash to try and strengthen the rwanda bill, and also from robert jenrick and more tomorrow. now, if this bill is not amended at all, and it shouldn't be because labour of course not support these course will not support these amendment , course will not support these amendment, it's then likely amendment, it's then it's likely we'll third reading vote we'll see a third reading vote tomorrow which could see tomorrow night, which could see enough mps. 30 tory mps say that the entire plan. so the pm is in talks right now. his team are in talks right now. his team are in talks right now. she's saying, not personally. mps not him personally. we're to mps trying rebellion trying to stop this rebellion and ensure that he's not and try and ensure that he's not fatally weakened because they fatally weakened because if they can through this week can get this through this week from the commons, the from the commons, it goes to the house of lords, is house of lords, which is expected try to try and gut expected to try to try and gut it. it will then come back to the and be a the commons and will be into a constitutional mess that only

the about this, the uk can have about this, this, measures. but they this, these measures. but they are that are still hoping that these planes off planes can take off with illegally arrived by may. >> chris, what is the general sense of what happens if some or all of these amendments pass? >> because the line up until now has been that the government is worried about rwanda pulling out of the deal, if the deal is seen to be if the new bill, if the new law, as it would become, is seen to reject international law, is that still something that the government are talking about ? about? >> they're certainly worried that the rwanda could collapse the deal . if that the rwanda could collapse the deal. if this that the rwanda could collapse the deal . if this treaty or the the deal. if this treaty or the dealin the deal. if this treaty or the deal in parliament forgive me, is hardened. and then of course, that must be reflected in the memorandum of understanding, which , the home which james cleverly, the home secretary, with rwanda secretary, signed with rwanda before that's the big before christmas. that's the big concern they've got at the moment. they're trying to win around recalcitrant backbench tory mps. i don't think anyone thinks that these amendments are going work because labour

going to work because labour will not support them . um, it will not support them. um, it could be that the government tries to find elements of them to try and amend their own legislation to stop the embarrassment of a large numbers. dozens of tory mps voting against measure voting against the measure and offering support for labour when they try and beat the tories at they try and beat the tories at the election. later this year. so there are talks right now, but i think if it's not amended and it probably won't be amended, i then are amended, i think then we are seeing a do or die vote tomorrow night in parliament, which could sink the whole plan altogether. >> thank you very much, christopher hope there. our political back political editor will be back with you soon. a bit later on in the show. but us now is the show. but joining us now is bob conservative mp bob seely, the conservative mp for isle wight. bob, for the isle of wight. bob, thank much for joining for the isle of wight. bob, tha good much for joining for the isle of wight. bob, tha good to much for joining for the isle of wight. bob, tha good to speachh for joining for the isle of wight. bob, tha good to speak to for joining for the isle of wight. bob, tha good to speak to youjoining for the isle of wight. bob, tha good to speak to you .»ining for the isle of wight. bob, tha good to speak to you . i'veg us. good to speak to you. i've been doing a little bit of research constituency, been doing a little bit of rese this constituency, been doing a little bit of rese this is constituency, been doing a little bit of rese this is looking:onstituency, been doing a little bit of rese this is looking at stituency, been doing a little bit of resethis is looking at this ency, been doing a little bit of resethis is looking at this big(, and this is looking at this big yougov mrp poll that was done on attitudes towards illegal migration and towards the deportation of illegal migrants and such things . your and such things. your constituents are pretty tough when it comes to cracking down

on illegal migration over half think illegal migrants should be removed immediately without the right to appeal, so . so i'm right to appeal, so. so i'm asking, is this legislation tough enough for your constituents . constituents. >> um, emily. hi. >> um, emily. hi. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> good morning to your listeners and viewers . listeners and viewers. >> you're right. >> you're right. >> um, folks. >> um, folks. >> and i saw it. >> and i saw it. >> i think we're number 75, so we're certainly the top 100. >> i think we're number 75, so we'ri certainly the top 100. >> i think we're number 75, so we'ri thinknly the top 100. >> i think we're number 75, so we'ri think it/ the top 100. >> i think we're number 75, so we'ri think it wasthe top 100. >> i think we're number 75, so we'ri think it was about) 100. >> i think we're number 75, so we'ri think it was about 52.0. >> i think we're number 75, so we'ri think it was about 52. so and i think it was about 52. so if the polls are accurate, over half of islanders want people sent back and now have no right to appeal. and i have a lot of sympathy with that. frankly, i think we are are just paying the echr far too much attention. >> and i think our rights and liberties and freedoms are not really protected by, uh, european judges, nor for that matter, bits of paper that come out of the european that come out of the european that come out of the european that come out of europe, although, you know, important back in day, know, important back in the day, i think defended by i think they're defended by a history, a parliamentary democracy , english common law, democracy, english common law, the revolution. the glorious revolution. >> uh, bill of rights from 1689

and our history. >> so i'm sceptical about echr . >> so i'm sceptical about echr. >> so i'm sceptical about echr. >> i'm also mindful, however , >> i'm also mindful, however, emily, that we have to stay unhed emily, that we have to stay united and we have to deliver an agenda for the british people, including those 52% who wanted or 50% plus who who want migrants sent back. >> we have to be able to deliver that , uh, um, >> we have to be able to deliver that, uh, um, in a meaningful way . way. >> and if we collapse this bill and if this bill doesn't go through, we will fail those people. so although i have sympathy with what the rebels are doing, and i respect what suella is saying , are doing, and i respect what suella is saying, and i are doing, and i respect what suella is saying , and i respect suella is saying, and i respect very much what robert jenrick is saying , i'm very much what robert jenrick is saying, i'm not going to side with them because we've got to get this bill through. >> and as it is , the ability to >> and as it is, the ability to appealis >> and as it is, the ability to appeal is very, very limited . appeal is very, very limited. >> and even with the most creative sort of human rights lawyers working on it, they are

unlikely to be able to chisel this wider . this wider. >> so i believe what the government is saying, i think if we can get this bill through by, by, you know, in the in, in the too not distant future, it will start to make a difference. >> and it will make a considerable impact if the bill collapses, it will not make any impact. >> and i'm worried that some of my colleagues think the perfect is going to be the enemy of the good. we need to get a good bill through than make through rather than try to make it perfect. >> bob, i think some your >> bob, i think some of your watertight, i think some of your colleagues worried and colleagues are just worried and concerned that the bill won't do what the government is saying it will i mean, robert jenrick will do. i mean, robert jenrick spoke to us at length last night on channel, and he seems on this channel, and he seems genuinely worried that people will be able to appeal and an appeal and appeal and appeal and that actually it won't act as the deterrent that the government and the public need the deterrent that the gcto rnment and the public need the deterrent that the gcto rnm there's the public need the deterrent that the gcto rnm there's okay, ublic need the deterrent that the gcto rnm there's okay, emily,ieed it to be. there's okay, emily, that's a really good point. >> again, i respect what robert is saying, but i just don't quite buy the argument because

as the grounds for appeal are so limited and yeah, it's basically if show that going to if you can show that going to specific rwanda will somehow, uh, be an immediate danger to you. >> yeah , it is a really, really >> yeah, it is a really, really limited grounds for appeal . and limited grounds for appeal. and the worry is that if we try to block that, we create a whole load of other problems elsewhere with the rwandans, with look, with the rwandans, with look, with colleagues who don't share our opinion . with colleagues who don't share our opinion. i'm on the conservative side of the conservative party. there are one nation colleagues who are more attached to the echr than , more attached to the echr than, frankly, i am a lot more attached to it, and one has to respect that they have a vote in parliament as well, and we need to keep the conservative party together on we can together on this so we can deliver . deliver. >> and i would rather deliver a bill that is very likely to succeed rather than trying to deliver a perfect bill, knowing that in doing so , i will that in doing so, i will collapse the entirety of the bill. >> but there are two ways in this. that's the point here.

there are two ways in which this bill could be collapsed , i bill could be collapsed, i suppose. firstly, if amendments go through and then people on the one nation side of the conservative party disagree with the bill at third reading, vote it down. or indeed, rwanda pulls out and that collapses the whole thing. you've explained that, i suppose the other half this suppose the other half of this is, is if, say , 30, 40 of your is, is if, say, 30, 40 of your colleagues vote for these amendments , but they don't pass amendments, but they don't pass this evening, then a third reading, what if those colleagues think, hang on, this bill that i voted to amend that hasn't been amended will not be up to the job. we won't vote for it. and then nothing happens . it. and then nothing happens. >> so , okay, i think when it >> so, okay, i think when it gets to third reading, i can't see colleagues voting it down. >> i think some may abstain . so >> i think some may abstain. so i think provided we survive today and i may get my understanding of, uh , of how understanding of, uh, of how this is going to play out wrong .

this is going to play out wrong. >> so it's all guesstimates. but i think if we survive today, then i think the bill will go through. >> and suella braverman has told this that if this channel last week that if the is unamended, she won't the bill is unamended, she won't just she'll vote just abstain, she'll vote against um i know, but if against it. um i know, but if you look at the second reading, i heard that as well. >> but if you look at second reading, a lot of people sat in their hands. so you had some people abstaining. and i mean, with i have with respect, look, i have i have grounds for voting have a good grounds for voting for these amendments, okay? >> constituents and >> because my constituents and the of my constituents, the majority of my constituents, according to your poll, want people go out, uh, illegal people to go out, uh, illegal migrants to be sent back without the right appeal. the right of appeal. >> lot of sympathy with >> i have a lot of sympathy with that, to those that, but i would say to those folks we to get folks what we need to do is get this bill through. that's the priority is to get a good bill through rather than slightly through rather than me slightly grandstanding, saying, oh, it's not for me. and then not good enough for me. and then the whole bill collapses is yeah, then we're back to yeah, and then we're back to square square one. >> square one. >> and only people then who >> and the only people then who benefit from are the labour benefit from that are the labour party are the left wing elites. >> lawyers like keir >> are the lawyers like keir starmer, who will out and be

starmer, who will go out and be defending um um, defending these people? um um, and, and as keir starmer has done, uh, with some fairly unsavoury types in the past. okay. so we need to get this bill through. is it a perfect bill? no is it a good bill? i think it's a pretty good bill. >> i'm very happy for us to be detaching ourselves from the echr , because i think the echr, because i think the purpose of the of human rights and the echr are back post war was to prevent nazism and fascism from raising its head and totalitarianism from raising its head in europe again. >> since then, it's become a vehicle for ambitious lawyers and effectively for judicial what's known as judicial activism. with lawyers overturning the democratic will of the people . of the people. >> so i'm not a fan of the echr, and i'm not a fan of european courts . but now and i'm not a fan of european courts. but now is not and i'm not a fan of european courts . but now is not the and i'm not a fan of european courts. but now is not the time to fight that broader that broader sort of philosophical battle over where our rights and freedoms as british people come from. now is the time to get this bill through, in the hope that it will make a substantive

difference. >> and as much as i respect suella and as much as i respect robert, if they threaten to kill the bill that will do much more damage both to this government but to the cause of good governance. >> well, bob seely, that's all we have time for, i'm afraid getting decent bill through. getting a decent bill through. so coming and so much for coming on and putting across. bob putting your case across. bob seely the the isle putting your case across. bob sewight, the the isle putting your case across. bob sewight, interesting the isle putting your case across. bob sewight, interesting to the isle putting your case across. bob sewight, interesting to speak.e of wight, interesting to speak to, bob . to, to bob. >> he voiced what a lot of tory mps will be thinking. >> i imagine, well, dramatic developments up the developments coming up in the post office inquiry, an admission boss of admission from a former boss of fujitsu saying doesn't fujitsu saying he doesn't know why didn't act when why the company didn't act when they knew there were faults . they knew there were faults. stick we'll bring you stick with us. we'll bring you the this good the very latest. this is good afternoon on gb news is

monday to thursday from six till 930. >> good afternoon britain. it's 12:28 and the boss of fujitsu , 12:28 and the boss of fujitsu, paul patterson, admits the company knew there were bugs and errors in the horizon software as he apologised to victims of the post office scandal. >> yes, the committee are grilling post office, the post office and fujitsu bosses as they look into the appeal process . us to help overturn process. us to help overturn convictions and deliver compensation . now wrongfully compensation. now wrongfully convicted. subpostmaster alan bates also told mps that everyone's going to be surprised about how much was known early on by the post office and the government he's been represents

more than 700 victims of the post office scandal by giving evidence to mps. >> well , joining us now is our >> well, joining us now is our political correspondent , olivia political correspondent, olivia utley, who has been following the select committee hearing . the select committee hearing. >> olivia, what have we learned ? >> olivia, what have we learned? we heard the fujitsu boss didn't know why , doesn't know why they know why, doesn't know why they didn't act when they found out that this software was faulty. he >> yeah. emily i think that was the most shocking moment of all. uh, the, the head of fujitsu was asked why he didn't act, and he literally said, i don't know. it felt as though there was sort of bafflement in the whole select committee room. we've heard fujitsu and nick read from the post office being pretty apologetic, but it does feel when you see the reactions from the postmasters who are sitting in that room as though for them it's too little, too late. the head of fujitsu admitted that the company hasn't yet offered any compensation to victims, but he agreed that that fujitsu was

morally obliged to give some sort of redress to those victims. nick read meanwhile, the head of the post office has said that he doesn't expect the post office to carry out any private prosecutions in future, which is quite an interesting division . isn't this, this, this division. isn't this, this, this whole scandal was essentially allowed to happen because and some might find this a bit archaic for the last 300 years, the post office has been allowed to mount its own private prosecutions. independent of the crown prosecution service. it sounds as though this scandal is going to be the end of that. we also heard from joe hamilton, the postmistress, who was wrongly convicted , who's wrongly convicted, who's represented in that itv drama , represented in that itv drama, and from alan bates and alan bates made a very interesting point compensation . he point about compensation. he said that when the when these officials talk about the compensation given to post office , uh, masters and office, uh, masters and mistresses who were wrongly accused, that's actually wrong. it should be called financial

redress because these people aren't looking for compensation. they're looking to get back the money which they gave to the post office, wrongly , and post office, wrongly, and looking to get some sort of redress for the lost earnings that they've had over the last sort of ten, 15 years. while their cases have been going through both the courts and the and the civil courts. so it's a complicated situation. we are now hearing big apologies from from these from these men at the top of the both both fujitsu and the post office. and it does sound as though fujitsu is going to start cough up. but there's no no information on exactly how much or when we can expect money from fujitsu. meanwhile, the post office nick read from the post office has admitted that he thinks that the amount of money that the post office ends up shelling out to these wrongly convicted and convicted postmasters and post mistresses the mistresses could be in the region of £1 billion. >> interesting . >> interesting. >> interesting. >> the post office isn't always exactly in a good financial situation , is it? situation, is it? >> well, you'd reckon that

fujitsu, one of the biggest companies in the world, a company that continues to get uk taxpayer funded government contracts , might well, uh, be to contracts, might well, uh, be to be be in a position to shell up some money. olivia, just finally , have we heard anything in this committee from the fujitsu bosses about those contract that they continue to get from the british government . british government. >> well, this is a really interesting question and a fascinating horizon is still being used . that was a point being used. that was a point that was raised by mps a little bit earlier on in 2019. and in 2021, there were there were ideas were being floated to scrap the horizon system and go with a, a different it company, but that never actually happened. and horizon is still in use . the bugs have been in use. the bugs have been fixed, but as you say, tom honzon fixed, but as you say, tom horizon is not the only fujitsu contract that the government has. there are plenty of fujitsu government contracts . there's government contracts. there's been rumours around westminster

that those contracts will be terminated , but we're not really terminated, but we're not really heanng terminated, but we're not really hearing anything solid about that. so we'll have to wait and see as this develops . that. so we'll have to wait and see as this develops. but it does feel as though finally the spotlight seems to be, uh, onto fujitsu for, for the, for the last couple of weeks, the post office itself has sort of been beanng office itself has sort of been bearing the brunt of all of this. and obviously, you can see why the post office has acted appallingly , but it good to appallingly, but it is good to see fujitsu is now in the see that fujitsu is now in the spotlight, too . spotlight, too. >> well, olivia, thank you so much for telling us the very latest of what to be a latest of what seems to be a pretty select committee pretty spicy select committee hearing. we'll, of course, be dipping throughout programme. >> but coming up, >> yes, indeed. but coming up, donald a landslide donald trump wins a landslide victory in iowa in a bid to be the republican presidential candidate. we'll have the latest stateside after your news headunes stateside after your news headlines with severe . headlines with severe. >> thank you. emily, it's 1234. >> thank you. emily, it's1234. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . let's start with some

newsroom. let's start with some breaking news. a maltese flagged commercial ship has been struck by a missile fired from yemen. a british maritime security firm said the greek owned bulk carrier was reportedly targeted while transiting northbound in the red sea. there's no information yet on any damage sustained by the vessel , the sustained by the vessel, the fujitsu boss has told mps. the post office knew about the bugs and errors in the horizon system at a very early stage. the business and trade committee are heanng business and trade committee are hearing from key figures in the post office scandal, including wrongfully convicted subpostmaster alan bates . subpostmaster alan bates. they're looking at the appeal processes in place to help overturn convictions and to deliver fair and timely compensation for victims . a mass compensation for victims. a mass meeting of tory mps on the conservative right has been called for this evening, ahead of the rwanda bill vote number 10 says the rwanda plan is the missing piece to the government's approach to stopping the boats. lee anderson and brendan clarke—smith are among more than 60 tory mps who

are backing moves to toughen up the flagship migration policy, rebelling mps fear courts will be overwhelmed with appeals from asylum seekers earmarked to be deported, although the prime minister promises to allocate over 100 judges to these cases . over 100 judges to these cases. >> i mean , there is no reason at >> i mean, there is no reason at all why full financial redress shouldn't have been delivered by now. it's gone on for far too long. people are suffering. they've been they're dying. we're losing numbers along the way. and it's just seems to be tied up in bureaucracy and parts of the uk face another day of cold temperatures after overnight lows dropped below freezing. >> the met office says a cold plunge of arctic air has moved south across the whole country over the past few days, making it 5 to 6 degrees lower than usual for this time of year. the met has issued yellow met office has issued yellow warnings ice warnings for snow and ice covering northern of covering northern areas of england , parts of wales and all england, parts of wales and all of scotland , and that remains in of scotland, and that remains in place until midnight . it has

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sunday mornings from 930 on gb news is. good afternoon britain. it's 20 to 1 and the former president of the united states, donald trump, swept to victory last night in the iowa caucuses following his rivals out of the water and winning in all but one of this state's 99 counties. yes over 50, he got florida governor ron desantis came second with former un ambassador nikki haley third. >> but with trump, so far ahead,

is there now any hope for his rivals? >> well , joining us now in the >> well, joining us now in the studio is sara elliott, special adviser for the us, uk special relationship unit at the legatum institute . and sara, thank you institute. and sara, thank you so much for coming into the studio today. i suppose this is the big question on everyone's lips with trump over half of that republican vote in iowa , that republican vote in iowa, there's of course all eyes on new hampshire and then south carolina . but really he's got carolina. but really he's got this in the bag, hasn't he ? this in the bag, hasn't he? >> that's what iowa kind of marked in the sand that the polling was right. >> he is 30 points ahead. there's nobody in punching distance to him . it will make it distance to him. it will make it difficult for people especially like ron desantis where a lot of his support would naturally come from a trump base. now, nikki haley, who's more of a moderate or independent, will find the next primary in new hampshire much more favourable because there are more independents in fact, republicans . it's

there are more independents in fact, republicans. it's an open primary . so not just republicans primary. so not just republicans vote in that. we saw john mccain surpass george w bush there in 2000. this could very much be like where nikki haley overperforms and actually may overtake ron desantis from there. but it's a lot of if that can then propel her even to her home state of south carolina, which is next after new hampshire and then we get to super tuesday, where most of the delegates are determined by first past the post and winner takes all. so it could all be said and done. really by march 5th. >> very exciting . we were asking >> very exciting. we were asking at the top of the show what motivates trump's supporters to get out in that blistering arctic blizzard weather in iowa, to go out there and vote in such large numbers ? what is it about large numbers? what is it about him? >> well, i think it's more about his opponent, which is joe biden, who is, you know, his approval in some polling is the lowest ever on record at 33.

he's losing hispanics by double digits. he's losing black support by double digits. young people now favour trump in some polling over biden . in fact, all polling over biden. in fact, all three of the republican top republican candidates right now could beat biden in a head to head. could beat biden in a head to head . but i will say the iowa head. but i will say the iowa caucuses were especially cold yesterday with a —15 fahrenheit and that cut, um, turnout out much lower than 2016. so it's about —30 celsius, isn't it? >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> it's minus around. oh, blimey i >> -- >> that's 5mm >> that's very, very cold. they went out in numbers but um but it's interesting looking at iowa sort of in isolation because as before it has thrown up some unique results. >> it's when rick santorum won against mitt romney in 2012. it's when pete buttigieg won again . joe it's when pete buttigieg won again .joe biden, uh, last time again. joe biden, uh, last time around in 2020. sometimes it throws up fairly quirky results

that don't necessarily match with the other states. but but you don't think that's the case here? >> well, i mean , he's we're >> well, i mean, he's we're deaung >> well, i mean, he's we're dealing with trump , right? >> well, i mean, he's we're dealing with trump, right? he's he breaks all the rules . and in he breaks all the rules. and in fact he he broke the largest margin of victory ever recorded last night. um, only two republican winners or republican candidates who have won the iowa caucus have gone on to the white house since 1980. so it's not a good barometer of what who will actually take office. but, um, or be the nominee. uh, but it is it kind of starts the process and it does make people start going. well, where are the evangeli holes going? where are the moderates going, etc? >> one of the things you mentioned , ed earlier was how mentioned, ed earlier was how all of the republican candidates now left in the race, trump , now left in the race, trump, haley, desantis, they all in polling beat biden. there had been some talk about whether the democrats swap biden out. that was several months ago. now

we're at a much later stage in the race. do you think there's any chance that perhaps gavin newsom, the governor of california, steps in and swaps out for biden? or are things just too far gone now ? just too far gone now? >> uh, no. i mean, nobody in the democrat party has voted in a primary yet. so, i mean, anything can happen. um, you know , many democratic polls , know, many democratic polls, writers and consultants are saying we cannot win with this quy- saying we cannot win with this guy. we need to replace him . and guy. we need to replace him. and there's nothing more than what democrats love is power. and they will do really anything to take it. uh, at the convention with hillary clinton, bernie sanders had most of the delegates , but the super delegates, but the super delegates, but the super delegates , they all went for delegates, they all went for hillary, which some people say was closed doors stitch was a behind closed doors stitch up. so will have to wait and up. so we will have to wait and see. um, it could be that we have joe biden throughout the primary process, and then someone new arises at the convention, which is in august. >> uh, that's going back to sort of what happened in the 1970s when i think it was ronald

reagan in 76. yeah, he didn't really run a big campaign, but then suddenly at the convention, he almost became the candidate . he almost became the candidate. >> yeah. so there was a lot of, you know, kind fudging and you know, kind of fudging and rearranging and i mean, rearranging and loyalty. i mean, this the year to watch. this will be the year to watch. we're also dealing with two men who are , you know, around 80 , who are, you know, around 80, over 80. i mean, things happen. so, i mean , god willing, they so, i mean, god willing, they won't. but, you know, you never know someone's health. um know with someone's health. um it's a it's going to be an interesting year. i think external factors play a big role . uh, at the legatum institute , . uh, at the legatum institute, where i'm at with the special relationship unit, we're going to put the heart of the anglo—american relationship at legatum , and we're going to be legatum, and we're going to be following how can we strengthen the economic and national defence policy between our two countries? right regardless of who is president or prime minister? and this year we're choosing both and republican voters. >> what are they most angry about at the moment? is it the economy? is it illegal

migration? is it wokery? is it what is it? >> i mean, you've named them all. um, i would have to say the border is number one. i know we complain about small boats here, but we literally have had 7 million people illegally cross our border. 7 million people, almost the same number of people who live and work in london. and we they have caught at over 190 people on the fbi most wanted list and terror watch list , and list and terror watch list, and that those are the ones we know of right there are over 2 million gotaways we call them gotaways . uh, it is um, it is gotaways. uh, it is um, it is abysmal , uh, gotaways. uh, it is um, it is abysmal, uh, for gotaways. uh, it is um, it is abysmal , uh, for them to even abysmal, uh, for them to even get in a court hearing to know their asylum status. it will take seven years because the judges are. so, uh, the courts are so over flooded with these applicants , and they're given a applicants, and they're given a number, and we hope they show up in seven years. >> i mean, it does really dwarf what's going on at our border. >> 50,000 illegal small boat arrivals in the last year, >> 50,000 illegal small boat arri'highest he last year,

>> 50,000 illegal small boat arri'highest for last year, >> 50,000 illegal small boat arri'highest for many,: year, >> 50,000 illegal small boat arri'highest for many, many the highest for many, many years. but 7 million. it's just a completely different a day i heard. >> yeah. >> yeah. well >> yeah. well 58,000 >> yeah. well 58,000 i >> yeah. well 58,000 i think >> yeah. well 58,000 i think we had in a five day period we had 54,000. what you have in a year , 54,000. what you have in a year, we've in one week down there we've had in one week down there so infuriating people so that is infuriating people because change. you because that will change. you know, of course they're not all going to be good characters. uh, but we know who they are, but we don't know who they are, right. maybe a lot of them are probably an probably just people wanting an economic freedom, economic future. and freedom, and be rid of where they and to be rid of where they lived before. but a lot of them will probably be up to no good. um, we know because um, and we know that because we've caught on the we've caught people on the terror list. well mean, we've caught people on the terr(don't list. well mean, we've caught people on the terr(don't needt. well mean, we've caught people on the terr(don't need to vell mean, we've caught people on the terr(don't need to justify nean, we've caught people on the terr(don't need to justify why, you don't need to justify why why a country uh, needs why a country needs, uh, needs to be able control its borders. >> thank you very much indeed. that special that was sara elliott. special adviser for the uk special adviser for the us, uk special relationship unit at legatum relationship unit at the legatum institute , who are backed by one institute, who are backed by one of co—leading investors. was of our co—leading investors. was very interesting indeed. that issue illegal migration is issue of illegal migration is absolutely mad massive. >> it is, and i think i think it's hard for people in this country to get their head around the us. yes it's a larger

country, around 350 million people live in the us , around 67 people live in the us, around 67 million people live in the uk . million people live in the uk. so i don't know. that's 4 or 5 times larger. as a country . so i don't know. that's 4 or 5 times larger. as a country. but in terms of the illegal migration that's coming in 50,000 compared to 7 million, it's just almost unquantifiable . it's just almost unquantifiable. the degree to which that's a higher level of illegal migration. >> and that's something that a lot of voters believe. trump will make his number one priority. yes. so there you go. should we move on? >> we shall. but it's all related really. because huge security issues are facing the us, the uk and the wider world. in the last hour, a maltese flagged ship has been hit by a missile fired from yemen. it's after a us owned ship was also hit by a houthi missile yesterday day. >> now tensions are also continuing to rise in the middle east, with iran having launched a missile strike the iraqi a missile strike on the iraqi city of erbil in the studio

studio. with us now is our security, home and security editor mark white. mark, can you bnng editor mark white. mark, can you bring up to date? bring us up to date? >> yeah, multiple , uh, maritime >> yeah, multiple, uh, maritime security agencies now reporting this incident off yemen. the ship involved is the dry bulk carriers. agraphia it's maltese flagged greek owned. and it was was northwest of salif, the port city in yemen, when this incident happened . we understand incident happened. we understand you can see, uh, for our television viewers , a map here television viewers, a map here from the uk maritime. uh transportation organisation that the incident at happened at 76 nautical miles , uh, northwest of nautical miles, uh, northwest of salif . this missile, we're told, salif. this missile, we're told, struck this vessel. it suffered minor damage, but clearly it's a very serious incident with yet more missiles coming from the

houthis. >> and mark this properly , uh, >> and mark this properly, uh, puts the lie to the claim of the houthis that they're only targeting shipping that's involved with israel, that's unked involved with israel, that's linked to israel, that's helping israel. i mean, this has been an eu linked ship and a us linked ship. it feels like just anything going through the red sea at the moment will be hit. >> well, i mean, what we've got to try to establish, i guess, is was this vessel in any way , uh, was this vessel in any way, uh, going to or coming from israel? uh, had it done in that, uh, in recent weeks or months? we don't know. i mean, the houthis claim that they are targeting or initially were targeting vessels unkedin initially were targeting vessels linked in some way to israel. uh that has widened. you're right. uh, following the coalition strikes while us and the uk last week targeting the houthis for their continued targeting of commercial shipping. and they said last night that now they consider the uk and us linked

vessels to be hostile targets, which is clearly of concern. yes today we were sitting right here talking about another missile strike and that was on a us um, carrier . the strike and that was on a us um, carrier. the um, the, uh, a commercial ship again, this was the gulf of aden . so just in the the gulf of aden. so just in the approaches to the red sea, that vessel suffered minor damage as well , thankfully. but it is an well, thankfully. but it is an escalation and i think it's , uh, escalation and i think it's, uh, unimaginable that we won't get a response now from from at least from the us anyway, because they've said that they will strike again if the houthis continue anew, targeting commercial vessels , which commercial vessels, which clearly they are doing and what should we make of, um , qatar's should we make of, um, qatar's prime minister, his comments, he said that only an end to the war in gaza will stop the houthis attacks, their strikes, military

action from the us, uk , wherever action from the us, uk, wherever won't put an end to these attacks. >> i mean, what sort of logic is that? what should we make of that? >> well, in a way, of course it does. link back whatever the british and us government say to what is happening in gaza, because this is the justification , ocean, that the justification, ocean, that the houthi rebels are using initially for targeting these vessels, that they say were unked vessels, that they say were linked to israel. course, that has now widened out now, and it's become much more of an issue directly affecting what the houthis are doing . and now the houthis are doing. and now that the us and the uk have responded, there is a direct confrontation that is clearly brewing here. interestingly out of israel this morning, as far as the israeli government is concerned, they believe it's , concerned, they believe it's, you know, a job still to do because we had a massive attack on southern israel. we've got pictures, i think, that we can show you of the iron dome interceptions . just incredible

interceptions. just incredible images that show the streaks across the sky from all these iron domes this morning. and that shows that hamas still has significant capability. >> well, mark, thank you so much for bringing us all of that coming up in the next hour. we live in parliament. don't go anywhere. looks like things are heating up . heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsor of weather on gb news is . hello weather on gb news is. hello again, i'm alex burkill and here's your latest gb news weather forecast. >> whilst there is some wetter, windier and milder weather to come this weekend, for the time being it is staying cold and with some with that there's some significant snow around. we've seen across seen quite heavy snow across many northern areas today because of feature that's because of a feature that's pushing its way eastwards that's brought to parts brought some disruption to parts of northern ireland, northern england and much of scotland too. much of the rain, too. however much of the rain, sleet snow going to clear sleet or snow is going to clear its way towards the east. some of a bit of it though feeding a bit further southwards, so overnight, some overnight, could see some outbreaks of sleet snow outbreaks of sleet and snow affecting wales and affecting parts of wales and into midlands. two to the

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gb news. >> good afternoon britain. it is 1:00 on tuesday the 16th of january. rwanda showdown. >> rishi sunak will face opposition to his flagship rwanda policy from some of his own mps when the bill is debated

in parliament today. will be crossing live to the commons this very hour for yet another ding dong as amendment. dozens of amendments are thrown at the bill from every angle. >> ding dong . the post office >> ding dong. the post office scandal is back in the spotlight. the inquiry hears from a boss of fujitsu. he tells mps that his gut feeling is that staff knew about computer software faults, which led to managers being wrongly convicted. but he doesn't know why they didn't act . why they didn't act. >> trump on top the former president of the united states wins big in iowa, the first state to vote in the republican primary contest, kicking off the 2024 presidential race. >> but would his return to the white house be good for our national security . national security. >> yes. so things are about to kick off in the house of

commons. >> certainly we were discussing just in the last hour the amount of illegal migration to the us, which is, i think , just which is, i think, just completely staggering . you have completely staggering. you have 7 million people arriving via the southern border of the us illegally. compare that to the uk , where we had around 50,000 uk, where we had around 50,000 last year, just over 50,000 arriving illegally via small boats. i've been doing some maths , emily. go on then, fill maths, emily. go on then, fill us in. >> if we are to make the us and uk population the same size 7 million arriving in the united states illegally is equivalent to 1.5 million arriving in the uk illegally. >> that would be equivalent to 1.5 million arrivals on small boats. it's almost incomprehensible . incomprehensible. >> but, but, but, but that doesn't take into account the, uh, the size of the countries relative. >> no, no, it takes into account only the population, like a lot more in the uk, wouldn't it, than in the states. >> but i take your point. it is

an incredibly, um , unfathomable , unfathomably. >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> large number and 50. if we're going to turn 50,000. >> so the number roughly that arrived last year in the uk , arrived last year in the uk, that would be equivalent to just 240,000, i'd say just, but 240,000, i'd say just, but 240,000 crossing into america. whereas they actually have 7 million. it shows the, the difference in scale of these problems. the uk is certainly facing a problem, um, with our southern border, but my goodness, compared to the americans, it's , it's small fry. americans, it's, it's small fry. >> well, it does put it into a little bit of perspective . i little bit of perspective. i imagine that's reason why imagine that's the reason why a lot of people are going for trump . they consider the trump. they consider him the best for that job. best man for that job. >> particular well, >> particular job. well, certainly republican voters do, but very divisive but he's a very divisive candidate well. polling candidate as well. he's polling 30 amongst the 30 points ahead amongst the republican voters. but of all of the republican candidates , he the republican candidates, he does beat biden. but he beats biden by the smallest degree of any of his opponent . it's ron any of his opponent. it's ron desantis, beats biden by more

nikki haley beats biden by even more. according to all the polling. >> well, let us know what you think. vaiews@gbnews.com. would a victory be good for our a trump victory be good for our security ? who are you backing to security? who are you backing to be the president of the united states? and also us know states? and also let us know your thoughts on what's going on in house of commons in the house of commons closer to rwanda to home with these rwanda amendments. vaiews@gbnews.com. but get your headlines but let's get your headlines with . with sophia. >> thanks, emily. good afternoon . it's 1:03. i'm >> thanks, emily. good afternoon . it's1:03. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom , a maltese in the gb newsroom, a maltese flagged commercial ship has been struck by a missile fired from yemen. a british maritime security firm said the greek owned bulk carrier was reportedly targeted while transiting northbound in the red sea. there's no information yet on any damage sustained by the vessel , the fujitsu boss has vessel, the fujitsu boss has told mps. the post office knew about the bugs and errors in the honzon about the bugs and errors in the horizon system from the business and trade committee are hearing from key figures in the post

office scandal, including wrongfully convicted subpostmaster alan bates . subpostmaster alan bates. they're looking at the appeals process in place to help overturn convictions and deliver compensation to victims . the compensation to victims. the fujitsu boss has apologised and says the company have a moral obugafion says the company have a moral obligation to contribute to the compensation scheme. he said management knew of it issues very early on. >> we did have bugs and errors in the system and we did help the post office in their prosecutions of the subpostmasters . for that, we are subpostmasters. for that, we are truly sorry . information that truly sorry. information that was shared with the post office. um, as part of our contract with them was very clear . so the post them was very clear. so the post office also knew there were bugs and errors, and former postmaster alan bates blames red tape and bureaucracy for compensation delays. >> i mean, there is no reason at all why full financial redress shouldn't have been delivered by now. >> it's gone on for far too

long. people are suffering . long. people are suffering. they've been they're dying. we're losing numbers along the way. and it's just seems to be tied up in bureaucracy and a group of tory mps from the conservative right are holding talks this evening ahead of the rwanda bill vote. >> the current rwanda legislation will be debated in the commons this afternoon . lee the commons this afternoon. lee anderson and brendan clarke—smith are among more than 60 tory mps who are backing moves to toughen up the bill. rebelling mps fear courts will be overwhelmed with appeals from asylum seekers earmarked to be deported, although the prime minister promises to allocate over 100 judges to these cases . over 100 judges to these cases. number 10 says the flagship migration policy is the missing piece to stopping the boats . piece to stopping the boats. there are further signs that the jobs market is cooling as wage growth slows. new figures from the office for national statistics found that the uk's average weekly wage growth eased to 6.6% in the three months to

november. it's the lowest rate since january last year. it means pay packets grew faster than the rates of price rises, work and pensions secretary mel stride says the government's plan is working . plan is working. >> what these figures show is that inflation now is under half of what it was a year ago, beating the target set by the prime minister. that's taking some pressure off people in terms of cost of living. we're seeing near record levels of employment, near record low levels of unemployment. we're seeing real wages increasing , of seeing real wages increasing, of course, for the fifth month in a row now. and all this progress is because we've got a very clear plan of turning the economy around, giving us a brighter future part . of the uk brighter future part. of the uk face another day of cold temperatures after overnight lows dropped below freezing. >> the met office says a cold plunge of arctic air has moved south across the whole country over the past few days , making over the past few days, making it 5 to 6 degrees lower than usual for this time of year. the met office has issued yellow warnings for snow ice

warnings for snow and ice covering areas of covering northern areas of england, parts of wales and all of scotland. it remains in place until midnight. of scotland. it remains in place until midnight . it has warned of until midnight. it has warned of snow showers, power cuts and possible delays to trains and air travel. climate change has been named the 2023 children's word of the year by oxford university press . over 3000 university press. over 3000 children aged 6 to 14 were asked for their word of the year, with the most common response being climate change, followed closely by war coronation. director by war and coronation. director of oxford children's helen freeman , says it shows freeman, says it shows children's desire for meaningful change, and the cabinet office have unveiled a new official portrait of king charles to hang in public spaces. councils courts and schools will be able to now request their own free and framed portrait of the monarch. £8 million has been earmarked for the plan to hang the new image of charles in buildings across uk. some buildings across the uk. some campaigners say it's a waste of money, but the cabinet office says it carries on tradition .

says it carries on tradition. this is gb news across the uk on tv , in your car, on your digital tv, in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to tom and . back to tom and. emily. >> it is 108 and mps have begun debating the government's controversial rwanda bill. a lengthy parliamentary session is expected throughout the day. >> the vote could see a large scale rebellion by right wing mps within the prime minister's own party, after tory deputy chairman lee anderson. >> you just saw him on your screen, and former immigration minister robert jenrick. there he there's the prime he is and there's the prime minister signalled he would minister signalled that he would back that they would back amendments, that they would that who that would see people who crossed channel in small that would see people who crossebe channel in small that would see people who crossebe immediately] small that would see people who crossebe immediately removed boats be immediately removed with no right of appeal . with no right of appeal. >> well, with all the movements in westminster today, what is the rwanda ? joining the reaction in rwanda? joining us now is victoire ingabire umuhoza, a rwandan opposition leader .

umuhoza, a rwandan opposition leader. victoire, thank you very much for talking to us on the show. so of course, in the house of commons in the uk, it is all about the rwanda bill. today mps will be voting on this legislation on lots of amendments up for vote. what is the reaction in rwanda? your sceptical of this plan? am i right ? right? >> yes you're right. thank you for having me. >> the my concern is that with this process is that it is sick to decide the situation of rwanda using uk law . in my rwanda using uk law. in my humble opinion, that is wrong. whatever rwanda is safe or not. that decision depends on the experience of people in rwanda, how they feel . for example, how they feel. for example, today eight members of my political party are in prison only because they have read the book. khalid blueprint for revolution. do you think that these people, they feel safe in these people, they feel safe in

the country where they cannot freely read a book? they are journalists, youtubers who are in a prison only because they have challenged the narrative of the government . what do you the government. what do you think that the people they think that rwanda is a safe country where you can send the immigrant . at the moment there are political tension between rwanda and its neighbouring country, especially drc and burundi. i don't know if this situation will escalate in the world, but that put at risk the safety of rwanda today. so i think that what rwanda needs today is not a in a treaty immigration treaty, but what rwanda needs today is its reform, its governance and a peace treaty with the neighbouring state to make rwanda a safe country. >> its interesting, though, that the united nations does work with rwanda to relocate refugees to host refugees from a number

of places around the world. it's deemed a safe country in those specific terms , although clearly specific terms, although clearly there of course are problems in rwanda in what country that is going through a developing and developing country process doesn't have problems. i suppose . but what do you say to those politicians in the uk who would say , if it's good enough for the say, if it's good enough for the un to work with rwanda, surely we can to. >> yes. i think that i think that we have also un here the organisation , an immigration organisation, an immigration organisation, an immigration organisation for un, who gave the report in the uk that rwanda the report in the uk that rwanda the law how they respected the law, can not guarantee any refoulement no refoulement of refugees that will be sent in rwanda . and that was really rwanda. and that was really clear in the supreme court decision . so this is why i say decision. so this is why i say it is not enough to declare that rwanda is a country, that the situation in rwanda will

immediately change. >> but victoire, a lot of money is being given to the rwanda government to accompany this plan . what's the current total? plan. what's the current total? 101 hundred odd million. >> over 100 million. with the expectation to rise even further. so surely that's a good thing for rwanda , its economy ? thing for rwanda, its economy? >> yes, it is a good thing for rwanda economy because some buildings will be hired by the government to be used for the refugees. but i think it is bad for tax payer in the uk for people who will pay tax for the money, which we use to resolve a problem that will not be resolved because i am sure those people will will be sent in rwanda. but i know that after a few months they will go back in europe because they will not find what they will not find what they want in the uk. uk is

a developed country. they can offer them . they were begging offer them. they were begging it. they can find a job in the in the uk. what they cannot find in the uk. what they cannot find in rwanda . in rwanda. >> well that would suggest perhaps that these individuals aren't necessarily refugees. they're thinking of economic opportunity rather than a place of shelter and safety. mm >> yes , i think always there are >> yes, i think always there are two kinds of migration . some two kinds of migration. some they are the political migration. there are others they are economic migration. so i think both migration, both groups of the migration, they cannot find what they need in the in their life. if, if you regarding the, the, the political migration, they , they political migration, they, they fled their country because of repression . and in rwanda is not repression. and in rwanda is not a free country where you can express your mind freely without repression of the government. if they are economic immigrant, they are economic immigrant, they cannot find the well—being in rwanda because rwanda is a developing country. we don't

have enough resource to offer to improve their life like the uk can offer them the what they want . want. >> hmm. well, thank you . very >> hmm. well, thank you. very interesting to speak to you, victoire ingabire umuhoza, who is a rwandan opposition leader. very good to have your time there. interesting >> yes. very interesting. and i suppose there are always two sides to a coin. we often hear from the rwandan government, from the rwandan government, from paul kagame , the president from paul kagame, the president of rwanda , who says this is of rwanda, who says this is a great policy. this is a great deal great policy. this is a great deal. but then, of course, there are more than one. there is more than one political party in rwanda, albeit some of those opposition members seem to be arrested fairly frequently. i do want a little bit concerned to what extent is, uh , um, a what extent this is, uh, um, a source of public debate is this something that your average rwandan about at the rwandan talks about at the dinner table? yes. i mean , we dinner table? yes. i mean, we were we were talking yesterday about this and it seems like it's not perhaps not as big it's not perhaps it's not as big an issue in rwanda as it is over here actually happened .

here as actually happened. >> yeah. shall we speak >> no. yeah. but shall we speak to news political editor, to gb news political editor, christopher hope, joins christopher hope, who joins us with conservative danny . with the conservative mp danny. kruger? uh, christopher, which way is danny going today? >> well , thank you, emily. thank >> well, thank you, emily. thank you. tom i'm here on college green kruger, who green with danny kruger, who is the leader danny kruger. the rebel leader danny kruger. how are the talks going with the government? you will they government? will you will they adopt of your amendments and adopt any of your amendments and try end this rebellion? well try and end this rebellion? well there good conversations there are good conversations going to say, really do >> i've got to say, i really do think that both sides are behaving well throughout this. there's recognition we are all there's a recognition we are all on the same side. we all want to achieve the same thing. >> we think the bill needs to go further. >> discussions are ongoing. we've still got a day a half we've still got a day and a half before the final vote on this bill before bill in the commons before it goes the lords, which goes to the lords, which obviously is going to a whole goes to the lords, which obviychallenge. ng to a whole goes to the lords, which ovae allenge. ng to a whole goes to the lords, which ovae are nge. ng to a whole goes to the lords, which ovae are putting to a whole goes to the lords, which ovae are putting down a whole >> we are putting down amendments debated amendments that will be debated and on and tomorrow. and voted on today and tomorrow. >> we really hope that the government us government has listened to us and prepared concede and and is prepared to concede and ideally adopt the amendments as its now, danny, and me talking. >> what does discussions ongoing mean is that ministers that

meeting home secretary, meeting with the home secretary, the talking to the chief whip, who's talking to you government side? the chief whip, who's talking to youwell, government side? the chief whip, who's talking to youwell, all government side? the chief whip, who's talking to youwell, all of )vernment side? the chief whip, who's talking to youwell, all of them.ient side? the chief whip, who's talking to youwell, all of them. yes side? the chief whip, who's talking to youwell, all of them. yes there >> well, all of them. yes there are of conversations. are lots of conversations. different be different colleagues will be talking to different representatives from the government. but i met with the chief whip last night. see chief whip last night. might see him expect . and him again today. i expect. and other colleagues are talking to ministers. say, very ministers. as i say, it's a very good about the good natured exchange about the detail of what the bill needs to do. there's no difference of principle here, and indeed the government a huge way. government has moved a huge way. this good one in this bill is a very good one in the that it applies many the sense that it applies many of the international law, the human , human rights claims, opportunities that lawyers opportunities that that lawyers can make on behalf of illegal migrants. so in principle , the migrants. so in principle, the government has accepted that we need to assert the primacy of uk law and instruct the courts to obey parliament. >> that's the principle at the heart of this. we think they need that. the last dot need to do that. the last dot and there and comma, to make sure there are no loopholes. are no further loopholes. >> nothing changed >> well, nothing has changed since abstained since you abstained on second reading christmas. now since you abstained on second reacheard christmas. now since you abstained on second reacheard the christmas. now since you abstained on second reacheard the pm istmas. now since you abstained on second reacheard the pm inmas. now since you abstained on second reacheard the pm in the. now you heard the pm in the interview yesterday news interview yesterday with gb news down in essex. he said that he'd be willing to overrule the so—called injunctions so—called pyjama injunctions from european of human

from the european court of human rights, those lawyers rights, stopping those lawyers stopping flights taking off. stopping the flights taking off. that's , but nothing in that's language, but nothing in writing. do you want to see it in you agree with in writing before you agree with him? i'm afraid so. >> i mean, think that is >> i mean, i think that is really encouraging all along really encouraging and all along i has i think the prime minister has made right noises. he's he's made the right noises. he's he's asserting the important principles here, which is that it is the government to it is for the government to decide behalf of the british decide on behalf of the british people this people who comes into this country. >> said that he's >> and he said that he's prepared to overrule the european which, european court, which, of course, stopped the course, is what stopped the flights off a year and a flights taking off a year and a half very pleased to half ago. i'm very pleased to hear that. i'm pleased that he's saying recruit saying he's going to recruit more to these more judges to process these claims quicker. i'm concerned that that has suggested there are claims, are going to be lots of claims, which i they would which indeed i think they would be this law. so i think we be under this law. so i think we could his life simpler by could make his life simpler by saying law says shall saying the law says there shall be this country. be no claims in this country. >> can claim once they've >> they can claim once they've been removed, but they shouldn't. they should be deported shouldn't. they should be dep notd shouldn't. they should be dep not yet satisfied by what i'm not yet satisfied by what we've heard pm. but as we've heard from the pm. but as i i think the direction of i say, i think the direction of travel is right one and the travel is the right one and the overall principle is in the right place. yeah, we need right place. but yeah, we need to absolute principle right place. but yeah, we need to inisolute principle right place. but yeah, we need to in blacke principle right place. but yeah, we need to in black and1ciple right place. but yeah, we need to in black and white in laid down in black and white in the bill. >> amend the bill you

>> so amend the bill or you won't back it. >> well listen, we're keeping won't back it. >> counselen, we're keeping won't back it. >> counselen,thate keeping won't back it. >> counselen, that one.eping won't back it. >> counsel en, that one. we've our counsel on that one. we've got see what bill looks got to see what the bill looks like it gets to third like when it gets to third reading, which is the vote tomorrow night on bill whole. >> there amendments >> there are amendments being put sides of put down by all sides of parliament at the moment. >> what the bill looks >> we'll see what the bill looks like when to that point. like when it gets to that point. our mission at the moment is to encourage government to encourage the government to accept amendments, accept that these amendments, which, , they've which, as i say, they've accepted principle of already. >> it's about detail. >> it's about further detail. we've passed the test that the prime down to have prime minister set down to have international arguments international law arguments in favour so favour of these amendments. so there can be real, uh, there can be no real, uh, objection in practice or in law. >> the decision that the prime minister has is a political one. does he want to listen to the public, as we've seen in the telegraph polling this week, it's absolutely clear that across the country and in all of the seats that voted for us the key seats that voted for us in we need to hold on in 2019, that we need to hold on to marginal swing voters really, really important that really think it's important that we than the current bill. >> and ensure that people don't have to claim have the opportunity to claim before removed . before they've been removed. >> uh, so i think i really hope

the minister if he's the prime minister even if he's not persuaded , by legal not persuaded, uh, by our legal arguments , which i think he arguments, which i think he should be, the politics is really straightforward. this is what we need to do because it's what we need to do because it's what country in what the country demands in quite a bind, isn't he? >> worrying about rwanda. >> he's worrying about rwanda. the won't the receiving country won't accept in accept any harder bill in parliament. he's got the left wing of the party saying it must go unamended . aren't you go through unamended. aren't you making life more difficult for him does have >> well, he does have a difficult and i do difficult job, and i do sympathise his challenge sympathise with his challenge of trying to balance different elements trying to balance different ele butts trying to balance different ele but just taking those in turn. >> i think the rwandan government has already accepted the principle of this bill. this bill says that we're bill already says that we're prepared circumstance bill already says that we're prepaito circumstance bill already says that we're prepaito disapply circumstance bill already says that we're prepaito disapply internationale cases to disapply international law . we're not doing anything law. we're not doing anything further doing further than what we're doing already with the amendments that we're already with the amendments that we'so i'm absolutely confident already with the amendments that we'so i' rwandan:ely confident already with the amendments that we'so i' rwandan governmentt already with the amendments that we'so accept|dan governmentt already with the amendments that we'so accept it.n governmentt already with the amendments that we'so accept it. and vernmentt already with the amendments that we'so accept it. and indeed,itt would accept it. and indeed, why wouldn't they ? wouldn't they? >> uh, and on the other wing of our party, i mean, i'm confident and hopeful that the numbers of people actually people who would actually rebel against against against a government, against a bill strengthened bill that strengthened our defences, against illegal migration, would migration, those numbers would be indeed. be very small indeed. >> don't think the government

>> i don't think the government should exaggerating the scale should be exaggerating the scale of on that side of of the rebellion on that side of the party. >> just to be blunt, if we are talking about numbers, and i'm confident colleagues talking about numbers, and i'm co ours nt colleagues talking about numbers, and i'm co ours also colleagues talking about numbers, and i'm co ours also recognise olleagues talking about numbers, and i'm co ours also recognise theagues of ours also recognise the importance this importance of getting this bill right, the same polls right, because the same polls apply right, because the same polls apply in their constituencies as they do in oz. >> you called meeting tonight >> you called a meeting tonight at 5 pm, a meeting of the at 5 pm, a mass meeting of the so—called tory so—called five families of tory right mps anybody right wing tory mps and anybody else the rwanda else concerned about the rwanda bill, addressing that meeting? >> oh, i don't know we'll >> oh, i don't know yet. we'll see. it's just see. i mean, it's just a gathering colleagueswho see. i mean, it's just a gathering colleagues who want see. i mean, it's just a gatuh'ing colleagues who want see. i mean, it's just a gatuh ,1g colleagues who want see. i mean, it's just a gatuh , discusslleagues who want see. i mean, it's just a gatuh , discuss beforees who want see. i mean, it's just a gatuh , discuss before the 10 want see. i mean, it's just a gatuh , discuss before the votes1t to, uh, discuss before the votes themselves, will come themselves, which will come later the evening. and by the later in the evening. and by the way, can we just stop way, chris, can we just stop this five families nonsense? it's unhelpful way it's just the most unhelpful way of describing is a of describing what is just a group of group colleagues who group of group of colleagues who are actually, i think are united. actually, i think it's really good thing we are it's a really good thing we are unhed it's a really good thing we are united principle, united on this principle, which is migration. is not just about migration. it's essential it's about the essential principle parliamentary principle of parliamentary sovereignty. principle of parliamentary soverthe ity. principle of parliamentary soverthe conservative the what the conservative party, the mainstream party and the mainstream of our party and the pubuc mainstream of our party and the public to. let's do away public want to. so let's do away with this with the melodramas. this is just a conservative group and we're together. well, we're working together. well, talking party, talking about an elected party, the dup, its mps have told me and i can reveal on gb news

right now, they will be voting against third reading tomorrow and also in favour of the bill, cash amendments and probably the robert jenrick amendments today with the support of the dup. >> how does that affect your thinking? >> well, that's encouraging . uh, >> well, that's encouraging. uh, chris, impressed with your chris, i'm impressed with your scoop let's , uh, i scoop there and let's, uh, i mean, we've had conversations with the dup. naturally enough, they will make their own decision. see how decision. and let's see how i think their meeting today decision. and let's see how i thiwell. air meeting today decision. and let's see how i thiwell. but1eeting today decision. and let's see how i thiwell. but ifating today decision. and let's see how i thiwell. but if that's today decision. and let's see how i thiwell. but if that's if today decision. and let's see how i thiwell. but if that's if that's|y as well. but if that's if that's what happens, be very what happens, i'd be very pleased it. and uh, and pleased to hear it. and uh, and that means, you know, in theory, we've over we've got, we've got over 60 conservative already conservative colleagues already committing to or they signing the amendments. let's hope they all follow through and actually vote the amendments this vote for the amendments this evening. that evening. i'm hopeful that most of the dup. of them will with the dup. that makes of makes a significant number of colleagues who think that the bill should be strengthened. and i government will bill should be strengthened. and i don't government will bill should be strengthened. and i don't you overnment will bill should be strengthened. and i don't you risk,1ment will bill should be strengthened. and i don't you risk, though, ll listen. don't you risk, though, jacking the whole policy in if you manage to vote it down. you do manage to vote it down. >> if it happens, you vote down. you do manage to vote it down. >>third happens, you vote down. you do manage to vote it down. >>third reading.. you vote down. you do manage to vote it down. >>third reading. the| vote down. you do manage to vote it down. >>third reading. the policyiown. at third reading. the policy falls and then no one, no flights take off this summer. i mean, that's what you're risking flights take off this summer. i meanand t's what you're risking flights take off this summer. i meanand t'syouat you're risking flights take off this summer. i meanand t'syou takeu're risking flights take off this summer. i meanand t'syou takeu're pming flights take off this summer. i

meanand t'syou takeu're pm at here. and if you take the pm at his word on gb news yesterday, he it could work this he thinks it could work this morning, it's the morning, number 10 says it's the final of in the jigsaw to final piece of in the jigsaw to get these flights off get these flights taking off to properly . the business properly break. the business model of these people traffickers. aren't you risking all of that for a perfect bit of legislation, when a good one might be as just as good? well if it works, great, but our concern is we don't want a perfect bill. >> we just want a bill that works. and it is really clear. and the government, in fact, acknowledges that acknowledges by the fact that they're going to be recruiting lots judges, that lots of judges, the fact that their own assessment suggests it's 50% chance of it's only got a 50% chance of working currently is, working as it currently is, they're will working as it currently is, they'ri will working as it currently is, they'ri think will working as it currently is, they'ri think we will working as it currently is, they'ri think we couldnill working as it currently is, they'ri think we could make it work. i think we could make it make it would work by work. i think we could make it make a it would work by work. i think we could make it make a little it would work by work. i think we could make it make a little bit/ould work by work. i think we could make it make a little bit further.»rk by work. i think we could make it make a little bit further. andy going a little bit further. and in terms of the risk, no, i think the risk is of this bill. the third bill we've passed failed the boats not not failed and the boats not not stopping got stopping actually, we've got plenty in rest of plenty of time in the rest of this parliament bring forward plenty of time in the rest of this pthat�*nent bring forward plenty of time in the rest of this pthat does bring forward plenty of time in the rest of this pthat does bring flfward plenty of time in the rest of this pthat does bring fif thei a bill that does succeed. if the bill is bill falls tomorrow, there is still in this parliament to still time in this parliament to bnng still time in this parliament to bring back the bill that would actually government bring back the bill that would actu then government bring back the bill that would actu then need government bring back the bill that would actu then need to government bring back the bill that would actuthen need to insistrnment bring back the bill that would actu then need to insist on1ent bring back the bill that would actu then need to insist on that will then need to insist on that passing the commons will then need to insist on that pas lords, the commons will then need to insist on that pas lords, which the commons will then need to insist on that pas lords, which willzommons will then need to insist on that pas lords, which will require1s will then need to insist on that pas lceffort. rich will require1s will then need to insist on that pas lceffort. butwill require1s will then need to insist on that pas lceffort. but i'm require1s

will then need to insist on that pas lceffort. but i'm absolutely some effort. but i'm absolutely confident that they can that. confident that they can do that. so that we get bill so i hope that we get a bill that can succeed in that can actually succeed in stopping and i'm sure stopping the boats. and i'm sure it would parliament. stopping the boats. and i'm sure it vyokay. parliament. stopping the boats. and i'm sure it vyokay. danny, rliament. stopping the boats. and i'm sure it vyokay. danny, danny1t. stopping the boats. and i'm sure it vyokay. danny, danny kruger, stopping the boats. and i'm sure it vyokthe danny, danny kruger, stopping the boats. and i'm sure it vyokthe co—chairman kruger, stopping the boats. and i'm sure it vyokthe co—chairman kr|the , stopping the boats. and i'm sure it vyokthe co—chairman kr|the new who's the co—chairman of the new conservatives , welcoming conservatives, welcoming the news. that news. i broke to him there that the again at the the dup will vote again at the third tomorrow if the third reading tomorrow if the bill is unamended. but also revealing to his meeting with revealing to us his meeting with simon hart, probably later today. the chief whip . uh, the today. the chief whip. uh, the thumbscrews being tightened thumbscrews are being tightened on and emily. on these rebels. tom and emily. >> very interesting indeed. christopher thank you for your time. that was a christopher hope, political editor with hope, our political editor with danny . danny kruger. >> seem that the >> and it does seem that the government are really trying to talk , talk with these rebels and talk, talk with these rebels and operate in a spirit of perhaps less animosity than there has been before for because to some extent, this bill really does go quite far. i've just been reading through it again. there's a whole provision about discipline , saying the human discipline, saying the human rights act 1998. >> yes , but the rebels want it >> yes, but the rebels want it to be more explicit , more to be more explicit, more explicit still. anyway, coming up, dramatic developments in the post office inquiry, you'll be

shocked by an admission from the boss of fujitsu. we'll bring you the details after very the details after this very short .

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news news . news news. good afternoon britain it's 1:28 news news. good afternoon britain it's1:28 and fujitsu bossis britain it's1:28 and fujitsu boss is admit the company knew about the problems at the heart

of the post office scandal. we were involved from the very start. >> we did have bugs and errors in the system and we did help the post office in their prosecutions of the subpostmasters for that, we are truly sorry . i subpostmasters for that, we are truly sorry. i am subpostmasters for that, we are truly sorry . i am personally truly sorry. i am personally appalled by the evidence that i have seen and what i have saw on the television drama and the, um , statements i've seen from the victims to the inquiry. so we did not stand up to that . did not stand up to that. >> and the select committee are looking into the appeal process to help overturn convictions and to help overturn convictions and to deliver, compensate asian uh, representing more than 700 victims wrongfully convicted subpostmaster alan bates told mps that everyone's going to be surprised about how much was known early on by the post office and by the government. well joining us now is our political correspondent , olivia

political correspondent, olivia utley, who's been following the proceedings, and olivia , it proceedings, and olivia, it seems like those boxes of fujitsu, uh , have not come out fujitsu, uh, have not come out of this with a particular shine . of this with a particular shine. >> no, i think that's putting it very mildly . >> no, i think that's putting it very mildly. the boss of fujitsu, who we saw today being interviewed by the business select committee, paul patterson , is now very apologetic . there , is now very apologetic. there was a bizarre moment quite early on in proceedings where he asked why he why when he knew what was going on. nothing was done. and he said he didn't know. he was later pressed on whether staff did know what was going on from the very beginning , and he said the very beginning, and he said that my gut feeling is yes. he then , uh, gave that committed then, uh, gave that committed and sort of fulsome apology, which you heard there. and he said that fujitsu and this is the first time we've really heard this from fujitsu. fujitsu will be prepared to pay compensation to the victims. he said that fujitsu would be morally obliged to pay

compensation. so it's a pretty big apology, but for quite a lot of the victims sitting there today, it's too just late. why? when these bugs were been in the system since 1999, is this still even under discussion in 2024? we also heard from nick read, the head of the current head of the head of the current head of the post office this morning, and he didn't really cover himself in glory either. liam byrne, the chair of the committee, actually said when nick read had finished giving committee, actually said when nic evidence d finished giving committee, actually said when nic evidence thatished giving committee, actually said when nic evidence that head giving committee, actually said when nic evidence that he was ving committee, actually said when nic evidence that he was shocked his evidence that he was shocked by by reads by some missing evidence from reading, he said he accused read of not keeping evidence safe. read admitted that the post office was liable and would when it was put to him that the post office might have to pay compensation of up to £1 billion. nick read said yes, the liabilities might well go that far, so two bosses speaking today, talking very generously about a company station being very, very apologetic . nick. but very, very apologetic. nick. but for many of the victims is just

too little, too late. >> yes. and i'm just reading here that the government has already contributed , added £1 already contributed, added £1 billion from the taxpayer to the post office so it can make these payments. it would be rather nice, i think, sitting here, if, uh, fujitsu uh, could , uh, stump uh, fujitsu uh, could, uh, stump up some cash to , to. up some cash to, to. >> well, exactly. and it does sound now as though fujitsu will be, uh, stumping up some cash. not all of this compensation will be from the post office, which obviously, as you say, is actually funded by the taxpayer. fujitsu who will be coughing up but exactly when and exactly how much. well, we didn't get into the details of that in the business select committee meeting this morning. hopefully we'll be hearing soon what we'll be hearing very soon what fujitsu plans to pay , because at fujitsu plans to pay, because at last it feels as though the spotlight is on that . the it spotlight is on that. the it company in the past few weeks, it's all been about, uh , paula it's all been about, uh, paula vennells it's all been about the chiefs of the post office at the time and rightly so. they should

be under a lot of scrutiny. but lots the postmasters who've lots of the postmasters who've been our channel and been speaking to our channel and to and to newspapers and other channels have pointed out that fujitsu had a big role to play and fujitsu should be liable for to pay compensation as well. at the moment, of course, fujitsu still, astonishingly, perhaps has contracts with the government and actually the honzon government and actually the horizon system. it has, of course been fixed now, but it is still running in post offices. there were conversations in 2019 and in 2021 to get that changed, uh, to get the post office employing a new system. um, but nothing ever came to pass. so the horizon system is the fujitsu horizon system is still in place as are other fujitsu systems , uh, across fujitsu systems, uh, across government arm's length bodies. so it'll be fascinating to see if anything is done about that in the weeks and months ahead as well. >> yes, and it will be interesting to see if there are any, uh, criminal prosecutions , any, uh, criminal prosecutions, uh, from all of this. thanks olivia. >> yeah, thank you very much , >> yeah, thank you very much, olivia, for bringing us the very latest on that select committee

hearing. really interesting stuff. we'll stuff. but very shortly we'll be heading to house heading over to the house of commons proper. the debating chamber, commence their chamber, as mps commence their debate rwanda bill. debate on the rwanda bill. before that, though, your latest headunes before that, though, your latest headlines with sophia . headlines with sophia. >> thanks, tom. it's 133. headlines with sophia. >> thanks, tom. it's133. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom , a group of tory mps newsroom, a group of tory mps from the conservative right are holding talks this evening ahead of the rwanda bill vote. leigh anderson and brendan clarke—smith are among more than 60 tory mps who are backing moves to toughen up the bill, while leader of the new conservative, danny kruger told us he's having positive talks ahead the rwanda legislation ahead of the rwanda legislation debate in the commons. >> we are all on the same side. we all want to achieve the same thing. we think the bill needs to go further. discussions are ongoing. got a day ongoing. we've still got a day and a half before the final vote on this bill in the commons before it goes to the lords, which obviously is going to be a

whole new challenge. we are putting down amendments that will voted on will be debated and voted on today really today and tomorrow. we really hope the government has hope that the government has listened to is prepared listened to us and is prepared to and ideally adopt the to concede and ideally adopt the amendments own. the amendments as its own. the fujitsu has told mps . fujitsu boss has told mps. >> the office knew about >> the post office knew about the and errors in the the bugs and errors in the honzon the bugs and errors in the horizon system. the business and trade hearing from trade committee are hearing from key figures in the office key figures in the post office scandal, including wrongfully convicted subpostmaster alan bates . they're looking at the bates. they're looking at the appeal processes in place to help overturn convictions and deliver compensations to victims . the fujitsu boss has apologised and says the company have a moral obligation to contribute to the compensation scheme . parts of the uk face scheme. parts of the uk face another day of cold temperatures after overnight lows dropping below freezing. the met office says a cold plunge of arctic air has moved south across the whole country over the past few days , country over the past few days, making it 5 to 6 degrees lower than usual for this time of yeah than usual for this time of year. the met office has issued yellow warnings for snow and ice covering northern areas of

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>> good afternoon britain . it's >> good afternoon britain. it's 20 to 2 and you've been getting in touch about all the stories we've been talking about today. in fact, libby has written in on the post office scandal . hello, the post office scandal. hello, libby. you say how stupid do they think the little people us really are ? there is absolutely really are? there is absolutely no way that nobody knows what's going on with the post office scandal. and not only do they deserve full financial repayment for what they had to pay back, but the payment the loss of but the payment for the loss of years respect of their years in respect of their community, must have been community, which must have been soul destroying? well, quite right well, right. well, yes. >> because it's just the >> because it's not just the money, but all the costs, all the consequence losses can rack up casting out of the community, the loss of respect, of that the loss of respect, all of that financial redress. i heard the loss of respect, all of that financial redress . i heard the financial redress. i heard the word used on trump . we were word used on trump. we were asking, would a trump victory be, be good for the uk? and be, uh, be good for the uk? and it has very much divided the inbox. would it improve our national security ? i've got national security? i've got a note here from george who says

the donald's return to the white house is likely to result in the end of support for ukraine, us withdrawal from nato. so no , it withdrawal from nato. so no, it threatens our own security and the security of our european neighbours. program , he says. >> oh well, thank you, george. ian disagrees, however, saying trump would definitely be good for the uk . he trump would definitely be good for the uk. he has trump would definitely be good for the uk . he has pledged to for the uk. he has pledged to reverse biden's war on fossil fuels . on day one, biden reduced fuels. on day one, biden reduced production , forcing up worldwide production, forcing up worldwide pnces. production, forcing up worldwide prices . is, production, forcing up worldwide prices. is, um, interesting . i prices. is, um, interesting. i mean, at least biden hasn't stopped, you know, shale gas exploration. we're buying a lot of united states shale gas, which is basically keeping us afloat. if only we were allowed to, uh, dig our own . to, uh, dig our own. >> well, there you go. keep them coming in. gb views at gv news.com. but joining us now is the former chief of staff to the chancellor of the exchequer, james title. and james price. what a title. and former labour adviser matthew laza . we need some more detail laza. we need some more detail on that, matthew. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> can't match that. >> we can't match that. we've not in government a not been in government for a while. >> well, you've hopefully >> well, you've got hopefully

the . um, the clock is ticking. um, obviously the big, big story today is this committee of the whole house of commons, the rwanda bill debate and matthew , rwanda bill debate and matthew, there are lots of amendments that are going to be voted on today. it's not like one vote. and then know the answer. and then we know the answer. there's a of parliamentary there's a lot of parliamentary time and procedure. yeah, absolutely . absolutely. >> there's a whole series of >> so there's a whole series of amendments today. >> and we're going to um, >> and we're going to see, um, tory rebellions of varying sizes on and from on various amendments and from both sides of the tory party. >> what sums up is the >> and what it sums up is the complete shambles this complete shambles that this government in. government is in. >> i mean, the really rishi sunakis >> i mean, the really rishi sunak is prime minister in name only. the one side, only. he's got in the one side, he's got the five families, don corleone in mark francois coordinating them all. and on the other side, he's trying to keep remnants of the centre keep the remnants of the centre sort it sort of liberal tories, as it were. uh, on board, led at the moment by robert buckland, the former cabinet minister who's doing spadework. but within doing the spadework. but within the david doing the spadework. but within the will david doing the spadework. but within the will be david doing the spadework. but within the will be trying david doing the spadework. but within the will be trying to�*avid doing the spadework. but within the will be trying to atid cameron will be trying to at least hold something a line least hold something of a line for their vision of toryism, which what they originally which was what they originally elected which such elected on, which seemed such a

long but come on, long time ago. but come on, isn't it time for to be put isn't it time for us to be put out our misery have that out of our misery and have that may election? there's still time we we we can all get campaigning. we wouldn't to have nine wouldn't have to have nine months of it. >> right, all right, all >> all right, all right, all right. quite yet. >> well, we heard from one of the election channel the the election channel of the so—called election channel so—called the election channel five just, a five families. just, uh, just a few really? was few minutes ago, really? he was talking political editor, talking to our political editor, christopher talking to our political editor, chrisreallyr talking to our political editor, chrisreally rather the who really rather rejected the terme said, terme five families, said, i wish the media stop wish the media would stop calling the well, they calling us the five. well, they calling us the five. well, they call them that. >> so he's got no james price. >> um, is the tory party hope closely divided on this? it is a case of inflation affecting all of this as well. right used of this as well. right we used to big happy family. then to be one big happy family. then the tory we were the idea the tory party, we were so pro—family that boris had several of them. >> up to five families >> now we're up to five families in is the inevitable challenge of when we've been of what happens when we've been in and in for so long, and unfortunately feels a little unfortunately it feels a little bit like the party has got slightly unmoored from the kind of that would need to of ideology that would need to hold together. needs to hold us together. it needs to be one or other, and as one way or the other, and as margaret thatcher said, if you the standing in the the problem is standing in the middle of road that middle of the road is that sometimes get hit from sometimes you get hit from both sides, where sides, and that's where the

government moment. government is at the moment. >> we spoke to bob seely, >> well, we spoke to bob seely, a mp for the isle >> well, we spoke to bob seely, a wight, mp for the isle >> well, we spoke to bob seely, a wight, at mp for the isle >> well, we spoke to bob seely, a wight, at theip for the isle >> well, we spoke to bob seely, a wight, at theip fcof he isle >> well, we spoke to bob seely, a wight, at theip fcof the sle >> well, we spoke to bob seely, a wight, at theip fcof the show of wight, at the top of the show at about 12:00, and he seemed to want to have it both ways. didn't he really? he said he very much agreed with robert jenrick, much agreed with jenrick, very much agreed with suella braverman. he'll back jenrick, very much agreed with sue bill3raverman. he'll back jenrick, very much agreed with sue bill regardless he'll back jenrick, very much agreed with sue bill regardless of he'll back jenrick, very much agreed with sue bill regardless of these. back the bill regardless of these toughening amendments. so he toughening up amendments. so he said, make the perfect the said, don't make the perfect the enemy of the good. that's what he said. some people in our inbox seem to think that was fence from bob , maybe a fence sitting from bob, maybe a few splinters ending up in someone sitting that fence. someone sitting on that fence. >> it's a really difficult problem, and of is problem, and part of it is because we've talked about the party on different party being split on different sides. people think, sides. some people think, oh, it's cruel sending it's very cruel to be sending people these sorts of people where all these sorts of issues. think it's just issues. i think it's just a reflection the british reflection that the british state, talking the state, i'm not talking about the tories government, but tories in the government, but the general rule, the state as a general rule, just well just doesn't work very well at the moment. had the moment. right. we've had a massive growth in the size of government departments and the state doing too many things, and to point where can't to the point where it can't actually anything well. to the point where it can't actuidea anything well. to the point where it can't actuidea arathing well. to the point where it can't actuidea ara nuclear well. to the point where it can't actuidea ara nuclear power, the idea that a nuclear power, global massive economy , fifth global massive economy, fifth biggest in the world, blah blah,

blah, can't stop a couple of small dinghies from coming across this is across the channel. now, this is an it's an embarrassment and it's getting of state getting that kind of state capacity getting that kind of state capaythink it's easy to blame >> i think it's easy to blame the and not the political the state and not the political party in charge. i mean, there are with bigger states party in charge. i mean, there are ours with bigger states party in charge. i mean, there are ours that/ith bigger states party in charge. i mean, there are ours that are bigger states party in charge. i mean, there are ours that are much' states party in charge. i mean, there are ours that are much better. than ours that are much better run better performing run and have better performing economies. uh, all of our northern european neighbours from further from the netherlands further north, northern north, all of our northern european, german is in recession. i wasn't counting germany as northern european. i mean, the netherlands, scandinavia , etc. big estates scandinavia, etc. big estates and happier countries. >> of course, as a former labour adviser, would to see adviser, you would like to see a keir starmer victory. i would, but isn't it a bit more complicated than all the governments? just useless. there are moving parts to are many more moving parts to this does have a lot this because he does have a lot to with it. also, the to do with it. also, the judiciary, the legal system. >> but the problem is, is >> but but the problem is, is that about whether you've that it's about whether you've got a government that's got the that it's about whether you've got .toiovernment that's got the that it's about whether you've got .to sort nment that's got the that it's about whether you've got .to sort itnent that's got the that it's about whether you've got .to sort it out. that's got the that it's about whether you've got .to sort it out. tidon'tiot the will to sort it out. i don't believe rid of the believe in getting rid of the echr, the government's had echr, but the government's had 13 14, which it 13 years, nearly 14, in which it could that which would could have done that which would have negated some of the problems it's now finding problems that it's now finding itself. what itself. it doesn't know what it wants to do because it's trying to too many things to too

to be too many things to too many people. and as you say, it's it's it's failing all of them. it's ending middle of the ending up in the middle of the road that's why it's going road and that's why it's going to run over. that is true, to get run over. that is true, isn't it, james? >> wanted to, they could >> if they wanted to, they could have just not have done. they just did not have done. they just did not have the political will. the have the political will. and the party divided party has always been divided when these of when it comes to these sort of international treaties. think international treaties. i think there's criticisms. there's a reasonable criticisms. >> when sit >> and again, when you sit inside government inside these big government departments, as it may be the case labour i'm just case that labour james, i'm just going you robert going to interrupt you robert jenrick to his feet in going to interrupt you robert jenrhouse to his feet in going to interrupt you robert jenrhouse of to his feet in going to interrupt you robert jenrhouse of commons. et in the house of commons. >> he, of course, some of >> he, of course, has some of these amendments today. these big amendments today. let's have a listen. that might be that's not be a noble aim, but that's not what here to do on behalf what we're here to do on behalf of constituents. what we're here to do on behalf of it's:onstituents. what we're here to do on behalf of it's today uents. what we're here to do on behalf of it's today what. what we're here to do on behalf of it's today what matters is >> it's today what matters is does this work why ? does this scheme work and why? >> why does that matter? it matters because illegal migration is doing untold damage to our country. >> it is costing us billions of pounds. >> it is costing us billions of pounds . it's exploiting tens of pounds. it's exploiting tens of thousands of people. >> it's leaving a trail of human misery across europe, across nonh misery across europe, across north africa and beyond. >> people are drowning in the

engush >> people are drowning in the english channel and will continue to do so month after month . month. >> we have to fix this problem and we in this house have the power to do so . and the power to do so. and the responsibility on our shoulders. the question is, are we willing to do it? i will give way to the honourable gentleman in a moment. let me finish my point. the current bill doesn't work , the current bill doesn't work, and the test of whether it works is not. can we get a few symbolic flights off in the months ahead with a small number of illegal migrants on them? the test is can we create the kind of sustainable deterrent that we set out to achieve the sustainable deterrent that my right honourable friend the member for witham, set out to achieve when she secured this groundbreaking deal with rwanda, the kind of deterrent that

protects not just this country but generations to come from the scourge of illegal migration for the whole continent of europe . the whole continent of europe. because i can tell all honourable and right honourable members, having spoken to almost every interior minister and an immigration minister, not just in europe, but in egypt, in tunisia and morocco , in turkey, tunisia and morocco, in turkey, they all ask, when are you getting this policy up and running ? will it work? and they running? will it work? and they want it to work because they know if we can create a sustainable deterrent, we will stop people coming. we will secure europe's borders, we will save lives. and in an age of mass migration, this is one of the most important challenges that we have to face. i'll give way to the right hon. >> gentleman sir chris bryant i completely agree with him about one thing. >> i don't think this bill will work. >> i don't think it will work if it has the amendments that he's tabled included in it, either. >> and that is because i think he come to a completely

he and i come to a completely different as to the different position as to the nature of the deterrence and whether it would work at all, because it seems to me self—evident that there must be an enormous deterrent if you have to get in a tiny boat, risking your life as a pregnant woman with children beside you , woman with children beside you, having paid thousands of pounds to a vile despic evil people trafficker , why? trafficker, why? >> what evidence does he have that this this plan gimmick is any more deterrent than that? >> hear hear hear! >> hear hear hear! >> if the right hon. >> if the right hon. >> gentleman were right, then hundreds of thousands of people wouldn't be that very wouldn't be making that very journey every year. there are millions of people in the world who want to make this journey. there are thousands of people in france seeking to pay people smugglers to come to our country. the only way you will stop this is if you break the people smugglers business model. want some for all? so it is clear beyond doubt that if you come to this country, you will

be detained and swiftly removed to rwanda or to another safe country , and where the right country, and where the right hon. gentleman is wrong, is he like the labour front bench, believe completely erroneously, that you can arrest your way out of this problem? well the national crime agency don't support them in that contention . support them in that contention. and i have not seen any evidence that that it will work. nobody who has looked into this problem believes that these fungible and complex gangs that stretch across europe and beyond , who across europe and beyond, who import boats for next to nothing from china and bulgaria and turkey, can just be arrested out of their existence. everyone says the same thing created a deterrent. that is what the rwanda policy does. i won't give way again to the right hon. gentleman let me move forward and speak more directly to our amendments because that's the purpose of today debate. the amendments that have been brought forward in my name and that of my honourable friend the

member for stone in four groups, two of which will be heard and discussed today, two tomorrow, seek address the evident seek to address the evident flaws of the bill, and they represent the last opportunity for us to get this policy right. let me speak directly to the one thatis let me speak directly to the one that is in my name and my right hon. friend. well just as robert jenrick starts to get into the detail of the dryer parts of his amendments, we're going to jump back in and look at the overarching debate going on today. >> still joined by the former adviser to the chancellor of the exchequer, james price, the exchequer, james price, and the former matthew former labour adviser, matthew laza and james um, what happened there with the exchange between jean robert jenrick and chris bryant, the labour point of view here is you just go after the gangs. it seemed that robert jenrick really disagreed . jenrick really disagreed. >> so he's good, this chap, isn't he? they should put him in the department and try and get him to sort this issue out. >> yeah, i know right. >> yeah, i know right. >> and it's a reminder, this is the who resigned

the chap who resigned just before protests before christmas and protests that wouldn't that this bill wouldn't work. and i think, like all commentators do, goes commentators will do, this goes to prove what i was to prove exactly what i was saying before we cut saying just before we cut to that jenrick was that robert jenrick was an ambitious young minister, a nice sort cuddly minded ambitious young minister, a nice sort was cuddly minded ambitious young minister, a nice sort was sentidly minded ambitious young minister, a nice sort was sent into �*ninded ambitious young minister, a nice sort was sent into thated guy who was sent into that department rishi to keep an department by rishi to keep an eye on evil, nasty and eye on evil, nasty suella. and what the what happened by going into the home office he's out home office? he's come out pretty radicalised thinking pretty radicalised and thinking we be very, very we need to be very, very hardcore these issues, that we need to be very, very harrcriminalthese issues, that we need to be very, very harrcriminal gangs ssues, that we need to be very, very harrcriminal gangs areas, that we need to be very, very harrcriminal gangs are evil. at the criminal gangs are evil. it's to go after it's not enough just to go after them. have these them. we have to have these stable rwanda stable deterrents that rwanda must made that the must be made to work, that the legal as it is, doesn't legal system, as it is, doesn't currently work. and this is a guy who's been in there trying to he can't to get it working, and he can't make infrastructure, the make the infrastructure, the machinery of government do what he thinks is necessary. so you're that robert you're telling me that robert jenrick relative liberal jenrick was a relative liberal when it came to issues like immigration, and it is the home office? >> his experience of working within home office that has, within the home office that has, uh, radicalised him. >> it happens, you see, you see people. i've had friends. i'm sure you guys will know some of these people who've gone in there, the there, and they think the world's and can world's a nice place, and we can be and all the rest be all cuddly and all the rest of it. they spend their day

deaung of it. they spend their day dealing with terrorists, with rapists, criminals rapists, with foreign criminals coming the worst coming in. you know, the worst elements seems elements of society. it seems like people. and they like it changes people. and they come and think the come out and they think the world we need to world is nastier and we need to be stronger on issues. that's world is nastier and we need to be st getser on issues. that's world is nastier and we need to be st gets him issues. that's world is nastier and we need to be st gets him going, that's world is nastier and we need to be st gets him going, thatit? what gets him going, isn't it? >> anyway, >> robert jenrick. anyway, matthew, can't matthew, the idea that we can't deport criminals for deport foreign criminals for one. , if you want to one. well then, if you want to do you to leave the echr. >> if you want to have a free reign to do that, because you can deport foreign criminals. but obviously, the human but obviously, under the human rights difficult there but obviously, under the human rightsdifficult there are more difficult if there are cases, if there's an alternative reason for them but, reason for them to stay. but, i mean, think absolutely mean, i think he's absolutely right need smash right that we need to smash the business the gangs. but right that we need to smash the bus easiest the gangs. but right that we need to smash the bus easiest to the gangs. but right that we need to smash the bus easiest to do; gangs. but right that we need to smash the bus easiest to do that|gs. but right that we need to smash the bus easiest to do that is. but right that we need to smash the bus easiest to do that is byut the easiest way to do that is by smashing the gangs itself, which is labour's cross border is why labour's cross border police legislation there is why labour's cross border pc noe legislation there is why labour's cross border pc no evidence legislation there is why labour's cross border pc no evidence that;lation there is why labour's cross border pc no evidence that rwanda1ere is why labour's cross border pc no evidence that rwanda will is no evidence that rwanda will work. isn't that just work. matthew, isn't that just playing a mole with these playing whack a mole with these gangs? playing whack a mole with these garwhereas you break the >> whereas if you break the business model than the business model rather than the people game , if you people playing the game, if you know that you're if you know that going that you're actually going to get got a high get caught or you've got a high chance of getting caught, isn't that deterrent? chance of getting caught, isn't tha that'srent? chance of getting caught, isn't tha that's rent' deterrent chance of getting caught, isn't thathat'srent'deterrent all >> that's the deterrent in all crime, isn't it, tom? you know that. got the that. you know you've got the risk caught and risk of getting caught and spending time in prison. spending a long time in prison.

>> you're just parroting the labour though. >> you're just parroting the lab no, though. >> you're just parroting the lab no, i'm though. >> you're just parroting the lab no, i'm not,jgh. >> you're just parroting the lab no, i'm not, because, look, >> no, i'm not, because, look, i mean, there is i'm half australian. all the stop australian. this is all the stop the mess. tories are the boats mess. the tories are in is because they have australian political strategists sitting they sitting in number 10, and they think it's easy peasy win. it think it's an easy peasy win. it isn't right. much, much isn't right. well, much, much matthew price matthew laza and james price will coming will have much more coming up, the the commons debate. >> there this short . break. >> it looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news . of weather on gb news. >> hello again. i'm alex burkill and here's your latest gb news. weather forecast . whilst there weather forecast. whilst there is some wetter windier and milder weather to come this weekend , for the time being it weekend, for the time being it is staying cold and with that there's some significant snow around heavy around. we've seen quite heavy snow across many northern areas today of a feature today because of a feature that's its way eastwards that's pushing its way eastwards , brought disruption , that's brought some disruption to northern ireland, to parts of northern ireland, northern of northern england and much of scotland too. however, much of the rain, sleet or snow is going to its way towards the to clear its way towards the east. some of though feeding east. some of it though feeding a further southwards, so a bit further southwards, so overnight, could see some

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>> good afternoon britain . it's >> good afternoon britain. it's 2:00 on tuesday. the 16 of january rwanda showdown and we

have some breaking news to bring you as mps. >> debate rishi sunak flagship rwanda bill. we can exclusively reveal that eight dup mps will vote against the bill tomorrow as the prime minister battles to convince the house that the legislation would deter illegal immigration. this comes as former immigration minister robert jenrick says the current rwanda bill, just does not work . rwanda bill, just does not work. new figures reveal that wages for brits are coming down as well. >> the growth in them anyway means, while the number of those claiming benefits is still high, we'll . hear claiming benefits is still high, we'll. hear what some of our viewers think about that trump on top the former president of the united states wins big in iowa. >> the first state to vote in the republican primary contest, kicking off the 2024 presidential race. but would his return to the white house be a good thing for the uk's national security or .

security or. not? so how significant is that breaking news, then, that the dup will vote? eight dup members will vote against the bill. >> it is pretty significant because we're playing with very , because we're playing with very, very tight margins here. we know that people like suella braverman have said she would vote against this bill if it's unamended now, the government could be defeated by as few as . could be defeated by as few as. perhaps 25 or 30 of its own mps voting against the bill. a bit more complicated if people choose to abstain rather than vote against this is, of course, a third reading. so after all the amendments have been the amendments that have been decided whole house committee decided at whole house committee today, but but this why it's today, but but this is why it's crucial if this bill survives today and tomorrow without being amended . the question is, does amended. the question is, does the government have the votes to get an unamended version of the bill through at third reading? and that just got a little bit

harder because they have eight fewer votes that they could have been able to count on. >> and think what everyone >> and i think what everyone wants fundamentally, is , wants to know fundamentally, is, is will it work? because cause, you know, killing the bill doesn't sound great for the government, nor does it sound great the rwanda scheme. but great for the rwanda scheme. but if it wasn't going to work anyway in terms but is the anyway in terms but this is the crucial, we crucial, crucial point that we were just hearing. >> speaking about >> robert jenrick speaking about the immigration minister, the former immigration minister, resigned all of this, resigned over all of this, talking in the commons in the last few minutes, he was saying that a few flights got off as that if a few flights got off as a result of this bill, in his view, that would not be a success. he believes the bill, as written, could get a small number of people deported to rwanda in drips and drabs . his rwanda in drips and drabs. his amendments are about getting lots of people a sustainable deterrent. yes, carrying on, going exactly. >> sustainable deterrent. >> sustainable deterrent. >> that's the distinction here. the bill will allow flights to rwanda. some of the amendments are thinking will it allow, will

it allow enough flights to rwanda? that's the crucial distinction . distinction. >> well, let us know what you make of it all. vaiews@gbnews.com. and on anything that we've been talking about trump win, perhaps about that trump win, perhaps the wage growth or lack of it . the wage growth or lack of it. but first let's get your headunes but first let's get your headlines with sophia . headlines with sophia. >> thanks, emily. good afternoon. it's 2:03. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom oil company shell has suspended all shipments through red sea indefinitely. it's after uk and us strikes on yemen's houthi rebels triggered fears of further escalation. meanwhile a maltese flagged commercial ship has been struck by a missile fired from yemen. a british maritime security firm said the greek owned bulk carrier was reportedly targeted while transiting northbound in the red sea from vietnam to israel . sea from vietnam to israel. zoographia had 24 crew on board and was sailing empty of cargo there are no reported injuries,

to according greek shipping ministry sources. gb news understands eight dup members are planning to vote against the rwanda bill in the commons later. that's to according dup member sammy wilson . tory rebel member sammy wilson. tory rebel leader danny kruger has been holding talks with several mps from the conservative right. lee anderson and brendan clarke—smith are among those who are backing moves to toughen up the bill, rebelling mps fear legislation in the bill will overwhelm courts with appeals from asylum seekers . number 10 from asylum seekers. number 10 says the flagship migration policy is the missing piece to stopping the boats. danny kruger told gb news dup support is invaluable . invaluable. >> we've had conversations with the dup. naturally enough, they will make their own decision and let's see how i think they're meeting later today as well. but let's see how i think they're mthat's later today as well. but let's see how i think they're mthat's lethat'sjay as well. but let's see how i think they're mthat's lethat's what; well. but if that's if that's what happens, to happens, i'd be very pleased to hear it. and that means, you know, in theory we've got, we've got conservative got over 60 conservative colleagues committing to colleagues already committing to or they sign the amendments. let's hope they all follow

through vote for through and actually vote for the amendments evening. i'm the amendments this evening. i'm hopeful most will, hopeful that most of them will, with dup. that with the dup. that makes a significant of colleagues significant number of colleagues who think that the bill should be i hope that be strengthened and i hope that the will listen to the government will listen to the government will listen to the fujitsu boss has told mps . the fujitsu boss has told mps. >> the post office knew about the bugs and errors in the honzon the bugs and errors in the horizon system. the business and trade committee are hearing from key figures in the post office scandal, including wrongfully convicted subpostmaster alan bates . they're looking at the bates. they're looking at the appeal processes in place to help overturn convictions and deliver compensations to victims . the fujitsu boss has apologised and says the company have a moral obligation to contribute to the compensation scheme . he said management knew scheme. he said management knew of it issues very early on. >> we did have bugs and errors in the system and we did help the post office in their prosecutions of the subpostmasters for that, we are truly sorry. in information that was shared with the post office. um, as part of our contract with

them was very clear. so the post office also knew there were bugs and errors . and errors. >> meanwhile, former post submaster alan bates blames red tape and bureaucracy for compensation delays . compensation delays. >> i mean, there is no reason at all why full financial redress shouldn't have been delivered by now. it's gone for on far too long. people are suffering. they've been there, died . we're they've been there, died. we're losing numbers along the way. and it's just seems to be tied up in bureaucracy . up in bureaucracy. >> now. there are further signs that the jobs market is cooling as wage growth slows. new figures from the office for national statistics found that the uk's average weekly wage growth eased to 6.6% in the three months to november. it's the lowest rate since january last year, and it means pay packets grew faster than the rate of price rises. work and pensions secretary mel stride says the government's plan is working . working. >> what these figures show is

that inflation now is under half of what it was a year ago , of what it was a year ago, beating the target set by the prime minister. that's taking some pressure off people in terms of cost of living . we're terms of cost of living. we're seeing near record levels of employment , seeing near record levels of employment, near record low levels of unemployment . we're levels of unemployment. we're seeing increase seeing real wages increase owing, of course, for the fifth month in a row now. and all this progress is because we've got a very clear plan of turning the economy around, giving us a brighter future . parts of the uk brighter future. parts of the uk faces another day of cold temperatures after overnight lows dropped below freezing . lows dropped below freezing. >> the met office says a cold plunge of arctic air has moved south across the whole country over the past few days , making over the past few days, making it 5 to 6 degrees lower than usual for this time of year. the met office has issued yellow warnings for snow and ice covering northern areas of england, wales and all england, parts of wales and all of scotland . it remains in place of scotland. it remains in place until midnight, but it has warned of snow showers , power warned of snow showers, power cuts and possible delays to trains and air travel, and

climate change. has been named the 2023 children's word of the year by oxford university press . year by oxford university press. over 3000 children aged 6 to 14 were asked to say what their favourite word was of the year, with the most common response being climate change, followed closely by war and coronation then director of oxford children's , helen freeman, says children's, helen freeman, says it shows children's desire for a meaningful . it shows children's desire for a meaningful. change this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to tom and . emily good afternoon britain. >> it's coming up to 2:09. and let's start with that breaking news that eight dup mps. that's all of the dup mps in the house of commons, will vote against the rwanda bill tomorrow as the prime minister battles to convince the house that the

legislation would deter illegal immigration. well, let's get some more on this and precisely the conditions on which the dup based their votes with our political editor, christopher hope, joining us from westminster, christopher , what westminster, christopher, what precisely have the dup said they would vote against? and have they said under what conditions they'd vote for it ? thanks tom moore. >> thanks, emily. this came from sammy wilson, who's a leading member of the dup. you remember him as a brexit spokesman during that fraught period in parliament 2017 to 2019, the dup , of course, looks after the interests of itself, of the of the people in northern ireland and their big concern with the rwanda bill is that if it goes through that, it might somehow allow the echr back door route through northern ireland, back into mainland britain. if this this, um , this treaty works for this, um, this treaty works for britain, but not for great

britain, but not for great britain, but not northern ireland. they fear that there could be a back way into the into and almost create a passport control for those trying to get in or arriving here somehow illegally , to get here somehow illegally, to get to go across the north sea or the irish sea. forgive me. that's the point that sammy wilson been making to us gb news today. they they are telling me they will therefore vote against this bill tomorrow at third reading. it's amended . reading. if it's not amended. ed, of course, if the amendments voted go through then the voted today go through then the third reading tomorrow will not happen likely they are happen. um, most likely they are saying they'll probably vote with cash's amendment with bill cash's amendment today. that's on notwithstanding clauses allow the government clauses to allow the government to ignore defy international to ignore and defy international law, and they may do the same on robert jenrick clauses. now that this makes little difference to the government, they know they've got to win around their own mps, but makes numbers own mps, but it makes numbers tighter. crucially at tomorrow's third reading on this bill, and increases the possibility that the whole thing could fall tomorrow night if there's a rebellion of more than around 30

tory mps actually have to happen to the bill in terms of amendments for the dup to vote with it for that problem that they've highlighted to be fixed. >> i think, emily, that ship has sailed for the dup. >> they voted against it at second reading and i think nothing has changed in the interim period. i think they are going to vote against the rwanda bill. they see it as creating a notional border of some sort between gb and northern ireland in the irish sea. it's a further different , different treatment different, different treatment in law between great britain and northern ireland, ireland. and because of that, they're going to vote against it. i can't see anything, frankly , that the anything, frankly, that the government could do to stop that happening. not like the happening. it's not like the brexit dup were brexit wars where the dup were actually because actually a player because of the nature of of the tory nature of the of the tory government's minority , because government's minority, because of fact they had no of the fact they had no majority. forgive me, in the house of commons, it's more that it all. all eyes are it makes it it all. all eyes are right now on the back right now on the tory back benches. now i can also reveal that lee anderson, um, and

brendan clarke—smith, two of the three deputy chairman of the of the tory party, have been in or are now with the chief whip for what you might call a meeting without coffee in the ministry of defence . this is a meeting of defence. this is a meeting which the chief whip won't want to have to have with senior players in his own backbench party, but he's having them to make clear might make very clear what might happen they vote for happen to them if they vote for this amendment this bill. cash amendment tonight , this bill. cash amendment tonight, it's likely, but nothing yet. they nothing confirmed yet. they would lose their positions as deputy chairman. >> um, interesting, chris, >> um, it's interesting, chris, that the dup , uh, would vote that the dup, uh, would vote against this bill unamended . it against this bill unamended. it seems to be that they'd vote against this bill, amended . but against this bill, amended. but they're going to vote for some of the amendments. i mean, is that just because some of their friends have proposed it, why vote amendment? then friends have proposed it, why vote vote amendment? then friends have proposed it, why vote vote againstment? then friends have proposed it, why vote vote against thet? then friends have proposed it, why vote vote against the whole|en you'd vote against the whole bill, as amended ? bill, as amended? >> i mean that they see it. they see they see bill cash as someone who they can support. they're worked with they're historically worked with him on brexit legislation and him on on brexit legislation and the . and they're working.

the rest. and they're working. they're working way they're working their way through jenrick through the robert jenrick amendments . i mean, the dup are amendments. i mean, the dup are often a law unto themselves. they of course, were front they of course, were were front and centre in the parliament 2017 to 2019 when they when they were supporting the tory government in power. think government in power. i think that it's more of a vote on principle. i mean, i don't think they want anything. uh extra in northern there northern ireland for this. there is anything is concerned about anything which differentiates which which differentiates between great britain and northern ireland. and here's a case in point. on the rwanda bill. >> very interesting indeed . >> very interesting indeed. read. um, uh, thank you very much for your time, christopher. we'll come back to you soon, i hope. our political editor , hope. our political editor, christopher, there in westminster. >> well, it's not just migration thatis >> well, it's not just migration that is a huge issue for the prime minister. and frankly, every one else. also, huge amounts of economic data came out this morning in a big release from the office for national statistics we learned that wages are still going up, unemployment is steady amidst this . uh, unemployment is steady amidst this. uh, there's almost a

million vacancies in the labour market with the share of the workforce claiming benefits as well , workforce claiming benefits as well, continuing to rise. work that one out more , more that one out more, more vacancies. a huge proportion of vacancies, but also more people claiming benefits . claiming benefits. >> well make sense of it all. we have gb news economics and business editor liam halligan, who is with us now with on the money made clear there fraudsters . liam that question fraudsters. liam that question that tom just posed there uh, 1 million vacancies in the labour market, yet more people on benefits . benefits. >> it does seem pretty hard to work out, doesn't it? let's just run through some of this data because there was a big data dump , as we because there was a big data dump, as we say, from the because there was a big data dump , as we say, from the office dump, as we say, from the office for national statistic this morning. and a lot of these important numbers, which have implications for inflation, uh, the next bank of england interest rate decision, they're kind of getting lost in the undergrowth because there's so much going not

much other news going on, not least that westminster drama least all that westminster drama that and colleague that our friend and colleague chris hope was talking about just before. so i can put some of the data on the screen, i hope. and gb news radio listeners can keep their ears peeled . so wages they grew peeled. so wages they grew across the economy. 6.6% during the three months from september to october and november, compared compared to the same penod compared compared to the same period in 2022. two. that's ahead of inflation. so in other words, what we call real wages are going up. that's why consumer confidence is growing a bit . but having consumer confidence is growing a bit. but having said consumer confidence is growing a bit . but having said that, that bit. but having said that, that wage growth was down slightly from 7.3% during the previous three months period compared to the same period in 2022, unemployment unchanged at 4.2. that's historically pretty low. crikey, when i was your age, tom, unemployment was 1,011% across the uk and ub40 did their famous song i am a 1 in 10.

you'd be 40. of course, being the code number of the benefit unemployment benefit claimants form . you heard it here first. form. you heard it here first. and then as we were saying, still almost a million vacancies across the uk economy . that's across the uk economy. that's 934,000 vacancies across the uk. it's slightly down, uh, on the previous month. and down from over a million about a year ago, but still a very, very high number of vacancies . and that number of vacancies. and that means, of course, that more the number of people claiming in—work benefits and universal benefits has actually been going up, even though we've got so many vacant spaces. and we asked our excellent west midlands correspondent jack carson , to correspondent jack carson, to test the mood on the streets in birmingham about these rising benefit claims. here he is making the people that that sit at home and maybe some people would say, aren't aren't actively job seeking . actively job seeking. >> yeah, i think there's a lot of that about, to be honest with you. >> um, especially, um, kids coming out of school.

>> i know, for example, the few kids, i said, why don't you get a job at mcdonald's? >> the money's good there or weren't working there, know, weren't working there, you know, things but things like that. um, but there's lot of genuine people there's a lot of genuine people i think they're harassing. >> i know a friends who are >> i know a few friends who are quite disabled, and they're >> i know a few friends who are quite stressingled, and they're >> i know a few friends who are quite stressing and,and they're >> i know a few friends who are quite stressing and, youthey're >> i know a few friends who are quite stressing and, you know, really stressing and, you know, get back to they're genuine. >> can't work . >> they can't work. >> they can't work. >> i think it's quite difficult . >> i think it's quite difficult. >> i think it's quite difficult. >> um, yeah. >> um, yeah. >> you've got people you'll have people that really want to get into work and then you have people that want get people that don't want to get into think it's a really >> but i think it's a really different, difficult market because happening because what's happening in, um, especially is what especially for graduates is what has been happening for my previous experience is that , you previous experience is that, you know, they're not being getting given chance because they given a chance because they haven't got the experience. >> try get and haven't got the experience. >> a try get and haven't got the experience. >> a job, try get and haven't got the experience. >> a job, basically get and haven't got the experience. >> a job, basically .jet and get a job, basically. >> that's that's that's the rule we've always worked until we retired . we've never out of work retired. we've never out of work . and i know it was a lot easier that you could finish one job one day and straight into a job the next day, but it's nothing like and have like that now. and you have to do everything like that.

do cvs and everything like that. but are jobs out there , certainly. >> right. there are jobs out there. there are a million jobs out there, not yet filled. extraordinary that more people sign on to benefits when there are so many jobs available. very, very odd. but liam, this wage data is fascinating . ing wage data is fascinating. ing wages yet again rising faster than inflation. ian, what implications does that have on interest rates , on decisions interest rates, on decisions that the bank of england has got to make just on those vacancies? >> tom, you're right. it is a bit of a conundrum on the other hand, we have in the uk what, what what economists refer to as both geographic and occupational mismatch . so what does all that mismatch. so what does all that mad jargon mean? it means that the jobs are often in places where the people aren't, and it also means that the people that are unemployed and looking for jobs often don't have the skills that firms and employers are looking for. it's a big problem.

we have a big skills gap in this country. let's have a few more apprenticeships . so onto that apprenticeships. so onto that wage data. it is slightly down 6.6. real terms wage increases. that means above the rate of inflation. that's good for consumer confidence . but it does consumer confidence. but it does mean that the bank of england will be concerned about those wage rises feeding into firms costs, feeding into inflation. now tomorrow morning at 7 am, bright and early, i'll be sitting somewhere near where i'm sitting somewhere near where i'm sitting now on the gb news newsroom talking about the inflation number, which comes out bright and early tomorrow. it's a really big moment in terms of uk economics , because terms of uk economics, because that wage number will probably be about 4 or 3.9, maybe 3.8% low, but still almost twice the bank of england's target . and bank of england's target. and that means that we're probably not going to get an interest rate cut when the monetary policy committee of the bank of england meets on february england next meets on february the 1st. >> thank you very indeed. >> thank you very much indeed.

liam there, our liam halligan there, our business and economics editor. i'm quite like to see a breakdown of what these job vacancies are, what types of jobs are they? are they low skilled jobs ? are they skilled jobs? are they high skilled jobs? are they high skilled they mixture skilled jobs? are they a mixture ? are based? are they ? where are they based? are they all they across all in cities or are they across the economy? all in cities or are they across the econgeographic mismatch is >> that geographic mismatch is so important because perhaps a lot these jobs are in the lot of these jobs are in the places where there aren't any houses, where there aren't places people to get places for people to live to get the jobs. that's probably one of those big issues. but those big, big issues. but coming up, are we politicising our as our children? it comes as climate change has been chosen as the children's word of the year for climate change. >> what does that say about how our children are being our what our children are being taught worry about taught and what they worry about or count? or ability to count? >> words. >> it's two words. >> it's two words. >> yes. there's that. >> yes. there's that. >> this is good afternoon, britain on

monday to thursday from six till 930. it's two 24in the afternoon now. >> climate change has been chosen as the children's word of the year. two words of the year, as tom pointed out following a survey by oxford university of more than 5000 children across the uk . the uk. >> well, they say that current events often influence children's choices of the most popular word . but is this really popular word. but is this really the case? was the word hyphenated and have our children perhaps been brainwashed? well, joining us now for a bit of a ding dong on this issue is the former brexit party mep belinda de lucy, and laura johnson from

just stop oil, the campaign group. thank you so much to the both of you for joining us, belinda. let's start with you. uh has there been perhaps a push for children to vote in this oxford poll for this new word of the year ? the year? >> well, i'm afraid the purpose of schools has been shifting over the last ten years, especially , um, to hotbeds of a especially, um, to hotbeds of a lot of political activism , uh, lot of political activism, uh, as opposed to education. there's been a lot of teaching children to what think, not how to think. and the fact that it's six year old's classroom full of six year olds to 14 year olds, that young as six, have come up with as six, that have come up with climate change their of climate change as their word of the coming from the year, that's not coming from them. words their them. that's words put in their mouth adult votes. and what's mouth by adult votes. and what's worse is that poll after poll that was done on the mental wellbeing of our young last year showed very much that this climate catastro fizzing and alarmism being brought into

schools is having a negative impact on the mental health of our young and what a reflection on the deterioration of our classroom teaching that ten years ago , the favourite word of years ago, the favourite word of the year for 6 to 14 year olds was minion from the minion films. how wonderful is that? how childhood friendly was that? and it's now ten years later after ten years of indoctrination. it's now climate change. and it's not just healthy climate change that's being talked about like in the 1990s, about ozone layer and hopeful ways we can change that and recycle and not putting plastics in the sea to save animals. all that stuff is fine. it's not that at all. it's extremism . it's alarmism. a poll extremism. it's alarmism. a poll was done last year on a thousand sixth formers from 16 to 18. that said, over half of them believed the world was likely to end in their lifetime and half of them believe that having fewer children was going to help climate change. this the climate change. this is the brainwashing happening to brainwashing that's happening to our children, and unfortunately , our children, and unfortunately, parents don't have a lot of

control over it. i have no problem with children being taught take care of taught about how to take care of their the planet. this their planning the planet. this is happening. it is is not what's happening. it is extremism and the like. >> eco—warrior >> okay, belinda eco—warrior extremists are having a detrimental impact on their cause they're cause because they're frightening children. >> they won't be happy till children belinda, let's. children okay, belinda, let's. >> laura johnson >> and let's get laura johnson having now. thank you for having a word now. thank you for your pitch, laura. your opening pitch, laura. >> hi. yeah well, we've had ten years of government inaction on, you know. >> yes . it's scary you know. >> yes. it's scary , but it's the >> yes. it's scary, but it's the truth. it's common sense parenting. >> you know, um , the world we >> you know, um, the world we are living in currently, you've got floods , fires, droughts , got floods, fires, droughts, extreme storms already impacting our food systems. >> um , and if governments had >> um, and if governments had acted, then , then it wouldn't be acted, then, then it wouldn't be the case. laura >> so do you think it's a good thing, then, that climate change is the top word among children? or do you think that perhaps

beunda or do you think that perhaps belinda may be right when she says it reflects her an anxiety ? says it reflects her an anxiety? >> well, there's true there's eco anxiety is a real issue and it's based in real facts. eco anxiety is a real issue and it's based in real facts . you it's based in real facts. you know, the united nations . so the know, the united nations. so the secretary—general of the united nafions secretary—general of the united nations have now said we've entered the age of global boiling . entered the age of global boiling. it's entered the age of global boiling . it's not climate change boiling. it's not climate change anymore. it's the climate crisis . and at least when my son grows up, he will know that i tried with every fibre of my being to fight for his future . fight for his future. >> belinda, what do you say to that? that the government just isn't doing anything to try and combat climate change? >> this this is crazy. combat climate change? >> this this is crazy . as >> this this is crazy. as constantine kissin said in his beautiful speech in the oxford union , if the uk was to sink union, if the uk was to sink into the sea, it would have absolutely no impact on climate change. the uk and the people of the uk and the taxpayers in the uk, and the children will not have any impact on climate

change themselves. it's countries like india and china and poorer countries where actually, realistically, climate change is not going to be at their top priority . and the fact their top priority. and the fact of the matter is, is that the uk is a amount already is doing a huge amount already and children should be filled with with hope and agency and, and to study scientific ways of producing clean energy, not terrified and have their nerves shredded by these extremists that throw soup on paintings and complete destroy their cause by being aggressive and stopping working class people from getting to work. i'm sorry, but there's no place in the classroom for climate alarmism, andifs classroom for climate alarmism, and it's creating a mental health issue for our children. it's an abuse of power. stay out of our schools and just start having a word with the countries that are polluting the world. leave the uk alone . leave the uk alone. >> mean, laura, do you think >> i mean, laura, do you think that it's a it's a concern varne that it's a it's a concern varne that so these children were asked why they picked a climate change and they said the word makes them feel sad, scared and

worried. are you not concerned that perhaps schools, teachers, parents even are filling their children with this anxiety when there really isn't that much that they themselves could be doing to stop climate change, and that their living in fear. it's not a good thing, is it? well the thing is, they should be scared and worried. >> i'm terrified and i've got an eight year old and i'm terrified and you're right, the children should not have to deal with this. this is not the future and the planet that they should inherit. but unfortunately , inherit. but unfortunately, because of corporate greed or government inaction and i mean, the secretary—general of the united nations , is he an united nations, is he an alarmist? because as he said, that we've opened the gates of climate hell . he said, code red climate hell. he said, code red for humanity. >> three politician not a scientist, but i would say that language is alarmist. >> yes, laura, i suppose one of one of the issues here is how

much is the uk doing? >> and laura, uh, perhaps people might be surprised to learn that we've halved our emissions in the last 20 years because of a very careful, um , we don't very careful, um, we don't include . include. >> and i know i've brought this up with you before, tom. you and you denied it. live on air. even though it's a fact that we don't include aviation, transport in the, um , all of our imported the, um, all of our imported goods and our military in that. so actually, when you include those , we double our emissions. those, we double our emissions. but i'm not here to talk about this, laura. >> that's that's not true. >> that's that's not true. >> we've halved our emissions in terms of export , in terms of terms of export, in terms of domestic and in terms of imports being included. >> the emissions have still tumbled by more than almost any other country in in the g7 . other country in in the g7. >> look, i thought i was on here to talk about whether or not we should talk to our children about it, and i have i had to make that as a parent. i had to

make that as a parent. i had to make a very difficult decision. i started climate activism when my was four, i went and my son was four, and i went and had arrests for extinction had three arrests for extinction rebellion and, you only rebellion. and, and you only have to watch a david attenborough documentary to know that the world's terrifying. we've lost, what, 70% of species in the last few decades. so children know something's wrong . children know something's wrong. my children know something's wrong. my son, when he grows up. i like to think of it like, if you have an adoptive child, if you adopt an adoptive child, if you adopt a child and you tell them from a young age that their adoptive , young age that their adoptive, they're adopted, they're happy, they're adopted, they're happy, they're . if they wait till they're fine. if they wait till they're fine. if they wait till they're 18 and they find out it can cause huge rifts . now, can cause huge rifts. now, parents are not protecting their children. you cannot protect your child by lying to them. they have to know the world they're living in, and they have to know that their parents are going to do something about it. and so sorry to cut you off, laura. >> i just want to give belinda. we're just running out of time. so give belinda so i just want to give belinda just last word. just one last word. >> adults that use fear >> i think adults that use fear to control children, adults that want children over

want to terrify children over something children have something that children have absolutely no control over absolutely no control to over need to go to parenting lessons. i it's one of the worst i think it's one of the worst things can for to things you can do for to children. children shouldn't be worried the world worried about the world exploding when they're six years old. so dangerous. old. that is so dangerous. >> de lucy and >> okay, belinda de lucy and laura johnson abuse of power over children using fear to control them. thank you both for powerfully. >> my son knows that his mother is fighting my son when he's a teenagen >> we're going to end it there. but thank you both. ladies laura and belinda, for putting across your case. your case is so powerfully i think we actually, i think there were two pretty good arguments there. i liked the adopted child metaphor. that was nice. that was a yeah, i want to keep my keep my children a bit innocent from all the disasters. >> let's see. let's >> but anyway, let's see. let's see what you think. vaiews@gbnews.com. we're going to latest stateside to have the latest stateside with our though after your with our panel though after your news headlines with sophia . news headlines with sophia. thanks.

news headlines with sophia. thanks . emily. thanks. emily. >> it's 234. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . gb news in the gb newsroom. gb news understands eight dup members are planning to vote against the rwanda bill. mps are currently debating the flagship migration policy legislation in the commons. tory rebel leader danny kruger has been holding talks with several mps from the conservative right, lee anderson and brendan clarke—smith are among those who are backing moves to toughen up the bill. rebelling mps fear legislation in the bill will overwhelm courts with appeals from asylum seeking migrants , as number 10 seeking migrants, as number 10 says, it's the missing piece to stopping the boats . danny kruger stopping the boats. danny kruger told gb news the dup support is invaluable in all conversations with the dup . with the dup. >> naturally enough, they will make their own decision and let's see how i think their meeting later today as but meeting later today as well. but if what if that's if that's what happens, be very pleased happens, i'd be very pleased to hear and, and means, you hear it and, and that means, you know, we've got, we've know, in theory we've got, we've got over 60 conservative colleagues already committing to or sign the amendments. or they sign the amendments. let's hope they all follow through. actually for

through. and actually vote for the amendments evening . i'm the amendments this evening. i'm hopeful them will. hopeful that most of them will. with dup. that makes a with the dup. that makes a significant colleagues significant number of colleagues who should who think that the bill should be ihope who think that the bill should be i hope that be strengthened, and i hope that the will listen. the government will listen. >> oil company shell has indefinitely oil indefinitely suspended oil shipments through the red sea . shipments through the red sea. it's after uk and us strikes on yemen's houthi rebels triggered fears of further escalation. meanwhile a maltese flagged commercial ship has been struck by a missile fired from yemen while transiting northbound in the red sea from vietnam to israel . the zoographia the red sea from vietnam to israel. the zoographia had 24 crew on board and was sailing empty of cargo. there were no reported injuries. empty of cargo. there were no reported injuries . the fujitsu reported injuries. the fujitsu boss has told mps the post office knew about the bugs and errors in the horizon system . errors in the horizon system. the business and trade committee are hearing from key figures in the post office scandal, including wrongfully convicted subpostmaster alan bates. they're looking at the appeal processes in place to help overturn convictions and deliver compensations to victims . the compensations to victims. the fujitsu boss has apologised and

says the company have a moral obugafion says the company have a moral obligation to continue the compensation scheme. he said management knew of an it issue very early . on and parts of the very early. on and parts of the uk face another cold day after overnight lows dropped below freezing. the met office says a cold plunge of arctic air has moved south across the whole of the country over the past few days, making it 5 to 6 degrees lower than usual for this time of year. the met office has issued yellow warnings for snow and covering northern areas and ice covering northern areas of england. parts wales and of england. parts of wales and all scotland and remains all of scotland, and it remains in until midnight. all of scotland, and it remains in until midnight . it is in place until midnight. it is warned of snow showers, power cuts and delays trains and cuts and delays to trains and air travel, and you can get more on all those stories by visiting our website at gb news.com

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news . good afternoon news. good afternoon. britain. it's 20 to 3 and the met office has issued a severe weather alert for snow affecting the nonh alert for snow affecting the north west today . north west today. >> yes, these pictures are from wigan. a little bit earlier, the snow coming down covered in snow really . these warnings will really. these warnings will remain in place until the end of the week. the big freeze across the week. the big freeze across the nation continues as well. >> let's cross live to manchester now, where our reporter sophie reaper is for us and sophie covered in snow.

>> it is indeed good afternoon to you both. many people here in the north west will have awoken this morning to find a really rather thick blanket of snow covering the region here in wigan . they've seen around 4 to wigan. they've seen around 4 to 5cm with continued flurries of snow throughout the day . now on snow throughout the day. now on the roads in the region this morning there was major travel disruption with national highways issuing a severe weather warning advising drivers to take extreme caution on the roads to and plan ahead for any essential journeys. um, now major roads right now they do seem to have been cleared, uh, mainly anyway, but it's the pedestrianised areas like this one here behind me that really do remain quite fraught. any cars coming past are really taking their time, and the 1 or 2 pedestrians i have seen , uh, 2 pedestrians i have seen, uh, they're walking really quite gingerly on the pavements, which remain completely covered in snow. now, it's not just travel

disruption, though, that we've seen here in the region today. we know of at least two schools in greater manchester which have been forced to close due to safety . the met office, safety concerns. the met office, as you say, issuing that yellow warning ice and snow, which warning for ice and snow, which will remain in place until friday in terms of temperature right now across the region, we're experiencing temperatures of around 1 or 2 degrees, so too not bad. but overnight we are expecting that to dip well below freezing around minus five minus six degrees. uh, and of course that warning in place not just here in the north west, but in many regions across the uk. and that temperature expected to remain at fairly low , certainly remain at fairly low, certainly below freezing now for much of the week . much sophie reaper the week. much sophie reaper from a rather chilly manchester. there are . reporter. it was one there are. reporter. it was one of those mornings where you get out of bed and you immediately have to put on your dressing gown, of the shower , gown, chilly out of the shower, freezing picturesque . minus freezing but picturesque. minus two in london. so minus six up in manchester. uh should we move on? >> yes. former president donald

trump, former president trump, that's former president of the states. of course. of the united states. of course. donald trump swept to victory last night the caucuses, last night in the iowa caucuses, blowing his rivals out of the water and winning in all but one of that state's 99 counties. yes, florida governor ron desantis came second. >> the former un ambassador nikki haley, third. but with trump so far ahead, is there now any hope for his rivals? >> well, joining us is special correspondent at vanity fair and host of the fast politics podcast, molly jong—fast molly. thank you so much for making the time for us this afternoon. it was a pretty astonishing win for donald trump last night, particularly given the weather problems that iowa was facing. some people were expecting he'd get less than half the vote, but he just eked over that crucial 50% threshold and yeah, it was still very low turnout. >> maybe a about as low as 2000. and so he did not, you know ,

and so he did not, you know, part of trump's success is that he can turn out these low propensity voters . and we did propensity voters. and we did not see that necessarily last night because it was such a low turnout. >> so i think that's something to watch with this trump victory i >> -- >> um, and how concerned should the democrats be with this resurgence of donald trump ? resurgence of donald trump? >> clearly, his base are still very much there for him as they have been in the past. president biden, is it time to swap him out? no he's the incumbent president. you don't swap out an incumbent president that never happens. >> that only ever happens on the west wing. >> look, we should all be worried because if america slips into autocracy , which could very into autocracy, which could very much happen. >> remember , trump promised to >> remember, trump promised to be a dictator , not to be a be a dictator, not to be a dictator, except on day one, right? >> and he said that he may not leave after four years. he's hinted at that . hinted at that. >> i think if america goes into autocracy , that's not just bad autocracy, that's not just bad

for democrats , that's bad for for democrats, that's bad for britain, that's bad for the united states, that's bad for mexico and canada and everyone else. >> so i think we should all be really worried. i think, uh, i think trump has this nomination locked up. i don't think it's even going to be a contest. it you know, i think if nikki haley had come in first or even second, she might have had a chance. but fundamentally , the chance. but fundamentally, the math not mathing right? chance. but fundamentally, the math not mathing right ? there math is not mathing right? there is no trump is not going away. he a base . he has a base. >> it's it continues to shrink. but it is galvanised and it is passionate. >> and they believe in their guy and they don't necessarily even believe in a lot of the realities that we on earth want to believe in. >> perhaps the magic about trump is that he jokes a lot and a lot of the times he could say, oh, i'm going to be a dictator. i'm not going to be a dictator. i'm going to accept the election. if i win. you don't really know if he's joking or if he's telling the or what read in the truth or what to read in between lines there. but one between the lines there. but one of most astonishing things of the most astonishing things is under for is that this guy is under for

indictments. he's facing criminal didn't criminal charges. he didn't build he promised to build the wall. he promised to build. uh , massively build. he, uh, massively expanded national debt . expanded the national debt. right? and yet he still wins against joe biden in the polls. as i help us work this one out. >> well , i as i help us work this one out. >> well, i would say as i help us work this one out. >> well , i would say these as i help us work this one out. >> well, i would say these are polls very , very, very far out polls very, very, very far out there. >> national polls . there. >> national polls. i mean, you'll remember in 2016, hillary clinton, the day before the election was leading by six points, leading in most swing states . states. >> north carolina two. >> north carolina two. >> i think . >> i think. >> i think. >> uh, yeah. i mean, look , trump >> uh, yeah. i mean, look, trump polls well, maybe i mean, again, we america, we have not been killing it with polls. right >> remember in 2022, we were told there would be an enormous red mid midtum wave. >> there was not 20, 23. >>— >> there was not 20, 23. >> we were told that , uh, in >> we were told that, uh, in virginia they would flip the state houses . that did not state houses. that did not happen. so i don't have a ton of faith in polls. i would say that the reason why trump continues to be the republican nominee is

because republic did not offer anything , right? because republic did not offer anything, right? i mean, at the end, i mean , ron desantis end, i mean, ron desantis offered trump without the charisma, much further. right. >> and again, you know, as you were saying, trump makes a lot of jokes. >> now . he did of jokes. >> now. he did not make a joke on january six, right? he did, in fact, have his supporters storm the capitol. you can say that him telling them to come there because it will be wild isn't exactly instructing them, but it certainly seemed that way . and a lot of them, a lot of people were sitting in jail, say that it was because trump encouraged them to go . i just encouraged them to go. i just think republicans were too afraid of trump. they wouldn't go against him. even nikki haley, she worked for trump. you know , there's talk she's know, there's talk she's auditioning to be a vp. so i don't think , you know, if you don't think, you know, if you offer people nothing or trump, they're going to take trump . they're going to take trump. >> well, molly jong—fast, thank you so much for talking us through these fascinating early votes. those caucuses , uh, votes. those caucuses, uh, yesterday, course, several yesterday, of course, several more . well, states left

more. well, 49 more states left to vote in the republican primaries . yes. primaries. yes. >> that was molly jong—fast, who is the special correspondent at vanity host of a vanity fair. and also host of a very popular podcast , fast very popular podcast, fast politics. well let's get more on all of this now with our wonderful panel . wonderful panel. >> we're delighted to be joined by james price, the former special adviser to the chancellor of the exchequer and matthew laza former adviser to the labour party, matthew . can the labour party, matthew. can biden win? are these polls just so far out? >> yeah, know, i think biden absolutely can win. i think, as molly said, there, american polls haven't been utterly predictable. the economy, of course, right way. course, is going the right way. i mean, economy is going i mean, the economy is going actually pretty triumphally in america. the problem is whether he's going to get interest rate cuts employment cuts because employment is too strong fed won't cut strong that the fed won't cut interest in time. but interest rates in time. but inflation is , which was the real inflation is, which was the real really killing him a year ago is killing everybody in the western world, but particularly big issue in the states because it played into things like his, you know, attack fossil is know, attack on fossil fuels is getting plummeted. so yeah,

getting has plummeted. so yeah, i think there's all to play for. i think there's all to play for. i mean, look, biden is not the ideal candidate. if you were you know, the ideal candidate know, he was the ideal candidate four the four years ago. he obviously the age ain't to go away age issue ain't going to go away . you know, let's see . and so, you know, let's see how he performs performs in the debates clearly debates etc. but clearly trump has got the nomination sewn up now. and i suspect that the others start falling others will start falling away from the campaign. >> a problem? james uh, >> is there a problem? james uh, that, uh, some of the, uh, mainstream media in the states try to make a bit of a pariah of donald trump and it actually ends up boosting his popularity ? dodi. >> yeah, it's not just the media. they're the democrat strategy kind of strategy of all this kind of what they call lawfare. tying him the courts and all the him up in the courts and all the rest it. think the reason rest of it. i think the reason they've done that was try and they've done that was to try and help trump secure nomination they've done that was to try and hetheyump secure nomination they've done that was to try and hetheyump sthatz nomination they've done that was to try and hetheyump sthatz nyis|ination they've done that was to try and hetheyump sthatz nyis the ion is they think that trump is the only beat. only guy who biden could beat. if through with someone if you get through with someone like haley, someone like nikki haley, someone like ron wipe the ron desantis, they wipe the floor it comes floor with biden when it comes to they're much less to it, because they're much less unpopular. you really think unpopular. do you really think they're of they're playing this sort of four dimensional chess, trying they're playing this sort of forsay mensional chess, trying they're playing this sort of forsay that, ional chess, trying they're playing this sort of forsay that, oh,|l chess, trying they're playing this sort of forsay that, oh, ifchess, trying they're playing this sort of forsay that, oh, if we ;s, trying they're playing this sort of forsay that, oh, if we if trying they're playing this sort of forsay that, oh, if we if we ing they're playing this sort of forsay that, oh, if we if we try to say that, oh, if we if we try and indict this person , he's and indict this person, he's going to rise in the polls. >> anyone think trump

>> did anyone think that trump with with federal indictments against him would poll better, or is that just some sort of retrospective analysis? >> i think trump was pretty dead in the water. i think your molly there that those 20 2022 there said that those 20 2022 midterms elections expecting to be a big red wave, that trump being really popular, that completely fizzled out. it didn't was in the didn't work. he was dead in the water that point. and it's water at that point. and it's only by making again the only by making him again the centre attention, giving him only by making him again the cen'oxygen:tention, giving him only by making him again the cen'oxygen of1tion, giving him only by making him again the cen'oxygen of alln, giving him only by making him again the cen'oxygen of alln, gipublicity the oxygen of all the publicity that's this that's helped get this stuff going again. american people going again. and american people looking hang on looking at going, hang on a minute, to the choice minute, i want to get the choice whether him or not. whether i want him or not. not. but also of the crazy but it's also part of the crazy way politics works. way american politics works. >> remember this >> i mean, let's remember this is a thousand couple of people trudging few trudging through not a few inches snow whigham, but inches of snow in whigham, but literally snow in des literally feet of snow in in des moines, well, it's moines, iowa. well, it was it's only it is isn't the only i mean, it is it isn't the sort of low, tens of sort of tens, low, tens of thousands, of people sort of tens, low, tens of thou do. is, of people sort of tens, low, tens of thou do. i've of people sort of tens, low, tens of thou do. i've not of people sort of tens, low, tens of thou do. i've not been people sort of tens, low, tens of thou do. i've not been to ople sort of tens, low, tens of thou do. i've not been to the who do. i've not been to the iowa caucuses. i have covered the hampshire primaries the new hampshire primaries and which is the which is, again, which is the next primary there. moving on to now, broader vote, now, which is a broader vote, where you in where and, you know, in new hampshire place, but hampshire is a great place, but it a reflective of the it isn't a reflective of the

demography states, demography of the united states, but break but it makes or break presidents. peculiar system. >> well, if donald trump does become next president and it become the next president and it is a possibility, it's sadly we should all be very worried . um, should all be very worried. um, and, uh, if keir starmer is the, uh, the next prime minister what would that special relationship look like? >> it's the one silver lining of labour winning here. if starmer has to go to all these things and deal with trump, imagine how trump's going to miss pronounce name had a big name right. biden had a big problem with rishi sunak kira rudik put his arm around him like with theresa may like he did with theresa may i hold hand walking down could hold his hand walking down could be a bromance. >> at bush and you >> look at bush and blair, you know, unlikely bedfellows. >> be funny? after >> but won't it be funny? after years of years and years and years of sort labour party sort of the labour party moderates mocking theresa may for holding donald trump's hand moderates mocking theresa may forforlding donald trump's hand moderates mocking theresa may forfor having onald trump's hand moderates mocking theresa may forfor having to ald trump's hand moderates mocking theresa may forfor having to saytrump's hand moderates mocking theresa may forfor having to say something1d or for having to say something nice favourable nice in order to get favourable trade terms, suddenly you haven't got suddenly, oh, we've got some agreements we're nowhere near. i don't have a big overarching trade deal. you're right. but we're going to have to see if we have prime minister starmer. he's going to be

sucking difficult sucking life difficult for moderates the labour moderates like me in the labour party, who believe that the transatlantic relationship party, who believe that the transain|ntic relationship party, who believe that the transain particular,»nship party, who believe that the transain particular,»nshugely nato in particular, is hugely important. >> was one of the >> labour was one of the founding fathers nato, founding fathers of nato, labour's nye labour's foreign secretary nye bevan war. um, bevan after the war. um, so yeah, it will it will make yeah, it will be. it will make it hard to be an atlanticist. okay. come on, we're going to see yes. will okay. come on, we're going to see say yes. will okay. come on, we're going to see say nice yes. will okay. come on, we're going to see say nice things. will okay. come on, we're going to see say nice things aboutill have say nice things about starmer grover at the starmer grover laying at the feet of won't be grovelling feet of he won't be grovelling but he will obviously be polite. >> presupposes again, >> and that presupposes again, if trump does win, right, the whole campaign is going to be absolutely horrendous. you think in been lockdowns, in 2020 it was been lockdowns, it the rest of it was covid. all the rest of it. got biden there. he it. you've got biden there. he could campaign basement could campaign from his basement in could just do in delaware. he could just do zoom this kind zoom calls. all this kind of stuff . the guy improved stuff. the guy is not improved in four years of being in the last four years of being president , in the last four years of being president, right. in terms of his acuity , shall we say, president, right. in terms of his some acuity , shall we say, president, right. in terms of his some ofcuity , shall we say, president, right. in terms of his some of they , shall we say, president, right. in terms of his some of the rumoursne say, president, right. in terms of his some of the rumours about, and some of the rumours about shapps, is all right shapps, he really is all right versus who still, for versus trump, who still, for being, what, 78 is still strong as a bull moose and completely, you charismatic . you know, uh, charismatic. >> he doesn't need the golf course. faces a slope, course. he faces a slope, in which case he's really down. >> mean, interesting, i'm >> i mean, interesting, i'm standing debate stage

standing on the debate stage against other. against each other. >> already >> right. trump's already going and doing and mocking him, doing impressions of him getting lost. it's amazing it's going to be amazing television. what television. and that's what americans go to americans love when they go to the mean, you know, there is i the i mean, you know, there is i mean convinced it mean molly was convinced it won't happen. >> but there course, the >> but there is of course, the possibility will the possibility they will the democrats will suddenly draft in another biden another candidate if biden decides run the decides he wants to run the tower, won't rid of him tower, they won't get rid of him unless to go. but you unless he wants to go. but you never know does pull in. never know if he does pull in. nigel farage night nigel farage last night was talking energised talking about how energised people about people are in the states about their elections, than we their elections, more so than we are country. are in this country. >> true? james >> is that true? james >> is that true? james >> think that's probably >> i think that's probably right. mean, the fact it right. i mean, the fact that it happens on this regular cycle, the they swap in and the fact that they swap in and out the that out more quickly, the fact that the candidates and the the candidates change and the faces and that faces change so quickly and that you've different you've got these different levels america, levels of government in america, it pretty it does make it we're pretty much only in the much the only country in the world the prime minister world where the prime minister or president to decide or the president gets to decide when election is. when the election is. >> fixed, right. >> the tum parliaments >> the fixed tum parliaments act, lasted five years. >> we can't have two snap elections in a row. >> and then we got rid the >> and then we got rid of the act australia three act being australia every three years. and years. on goodness me. and compulsory voting as well. wouldn't that be terrible. right. >> well thank you very much for

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rwanda bill is being debated as we speak and we can exclude reveal that eight dup mps will vote against the bill tomorrow. the best analysis and reaction is on the way very shortly on gb news and there's a major admission from the boss of the responsible for the faulty software at the heart of the honzon software at the heart of the horizon post office scandal. he said he doesn't know why they didn't act when they knew they were false in their own system. a scandal . so were false in their own system. a scandal. so and there's more developments in the middle east conflicts where another commercial ship has been hit by a missile and oil giant shell has now suspended all shipments through the red sea indefinitely. that means oil price misery, no doubt, for brits . and snow has blanketed brits. and snow has blanketed northern parts of the uk as cold arctic air brings freezing temperatures . that's all coming temperatures. that's all coming up in this next hour. temperatures. that's all coming up in this next hour . so it's up in this next hour. so it's rwanda or bust for rishi sunak.

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