we can exclude we speak and we can exclude reveal that eight dup mps will vote against the bill tomorrow. the best analysis and reaction is on the way very shortly on gb news and there's a major admission from the boss of the responsible for the faulty software at the heart of the honzon software at the heart of the horizon post office scandal. he said he doesn't know why they didn't act when they knew they were false in their own system. a scandal . so were false in their own system. a scandal. so and there's more developments in the middle east conflicts where another commercial ship has been hit by a missile and oil giant shell has now suspended all shipments through the red sea indefinitely. that means oil price misery, no doubt, for brits . and snow has blanketed brits. and snow has blanketed northern parts of the uk as cold arctic air brings freezing temperatures . that's all coming temperatures. that's all coming up in this next hour. temperatures. that's all coming up in this next hour . so it's up in this next hour. so it's rwanda or bust for rishi sunak.

is it the debate today? amendments 66 i understand i've got tom hunt, tory mp, sat next to me in the studio here. just give me the latest information. 66 and rising . the dup have 66 and rising. the dup have already pledged to vote against this tomorrow. this is a crucial parliamentary act, a crucial vote tomorrow. everything depends on it. perhaps. indeed, the future of the tory government and certainly rishi sunak. if this were to trigger a vote of no confidence , dramatic vote of no confidence, dramatic stuff will have all of the latest here on gb news. get in touch all the usual ways. vaiews@gbnews.com. do you think there's any faith in this bill? what do you think? let me know. all of that coming . but first is all of that coming. but first is your latest news headlines with sophia wenzler. >> thanks , martin. good >> thanks, martin. good afternoon. it's 3:01. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . oil wenzler in the gb newsroom. oil company shell has indefinitely suspended all shipments through the red sea oil prices have

already risen by 1. that's after the governor of the bank of england, andrew bailey, warned attacks in the region could impact prices . it's after uk and impact prices. it's after uk and us strikes on yemen's houthi rebels triggered fears of further escalation . meanwhile, further escalation. meanwhile, a maltese flagged commercial ship has been struck by a missile fired from yemen while transiting northbound in the red sea from vietnam to israel . the sea from vietnam to israel. the zoographia had 24 crew on board and was sailing empty of cargo. there were no reported injuries . there were no reported injuries. now gb news understands eight dup members are planning to vote against the rwanda bill. mps are currently debating the flagship migration policy legislation in the commons . migration policy legislation in the commons. tory rebel leader danny kruger has been holding talks with several mps from the conservative right, leander , sun conservative right, leander, sun and brendan clarke—smith are among those who are backing moves to tighten up the bill, rebelling mps fear legislation in the bill will overwhelm courts with appeals from asylum seeking migrants. number 10 says

it's the missing piece to stopping the boats. danny kruger told gb news dup support is invaluable . invaluable. >> we've had conversations with the dup . naturally enough they the dup. naturally enough they will make their own decision and let's how i think their let's see how i think their meeting today as well. but meeting later today as well. but if that's what if that's if that's what happens, pleased happens, i'd be very pleased to hear . and that means, you hear it. and that means, you know, got we've know, in theory we've got we've got over 60 conservative colleagues already committing to or they've signed the amendments. let's hope they all follow through and actually vote for the amendments this evening. i'm of i'm hopeful that most of them will dup that makes will with the dup that makes a significant number of colleagues who think that the should who think that the bill should be that be strengthened. and i hope that the listen. the government will listen. >> immigration minister >> former immigration minister robert jenrick told the commons that amendments the rwanda that amendments to the rwanda bill are the last chance to get the policy right. bill are the last chance to get the the cy right. bill are the last chance to get the the revealed preference of >> the revealed preference of the judiciary is to be generous towards illegal migrants . it the judiciary is to be generous towards illegal migrants. it is towards illegal migrants. it is to make this scheme difficult to operationalise and as this is the last legal opportunity or

legislative opportunity for us to tackle this issue , i suggest to tackle this issue, i suggest we get it right and we narrow the opportunities for the judiciary to intervene , or else judiciary to intervene, or else we're going to find that these flights are symbolic flights with very few individuals on them at all. the fujitsu boss has told mps. >> the post office knew about the bugs and errors in the honzon the bugs and errors in the horizon system. the business and trade committee are hearing from key figures in the post office scandal, including wrongfully convicted suppo master alan bates. they're looking at the appeal processes in place to help overturn convictions and deliver compensations to victims . the fujitsu boss has apologised and says the company have a moral obligation to contribute to the compensation scheme. former postmaster alan bates blames red tape and bureaucracy for compensation delays . delays. >> i mean, there is no reason at all why full financial redress shouldn't have been delivered by now. it's gone on for far too

long. people are suffering. they've been they're dying. we're losing numbers along the way. and it's just seems to be tied up in bureaucracy . tied up in bureaucracy. >> meanwhile, the post office inquiry continues to look into more detail . evidence of the more detail. evidence of the honzon more detail. evidence of the horizon it scandal failings, gb news national reporter theo chikomba has the details as the inquiry continues. >> news we heard from raj binder , who worked for fujitsu between 2010 and 2016, in the fraud and litigation office. part of her role was to take some of that data from post offices across the country, particularly looking at transactions and some of the issues they had between 1999 and 2015. although she worked between 2010 and 2016. when asked whether she was responsible about some of those issues, which were highlighted in correspondence such as emails and documents, she simply said that was meant for people who are higher and much more

experienced than her. >> now there are further signs that the jobs market is cooling as wage growth slows. new figures from the office for national statistics found that the uk's average weekly wage growth eased to 6.6% in the three months to november. it's the lowest rate since january last year , and it means pay last year, and it means pay packets grew faster than the rate of price rises. work and pensions secretary mel stride says the government's plan is working and climate change has been named. the 2023 children's word of the year by oxford university press . over 3000 university press. over 3000 children , aged 6 to 14 were children, aged 6 to 14 were asked for their top word of the yean asked for their top word of the year, with the most common response being climate change, followed closely by war and coronation. director of oxford children's helen freeman , says children's helen freeman, says it shows children desire a meaningful . it shows children desire a meaningful. change this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's

back to . martin. thank you sophia. >> wow, we've got so much going on in the next three hours. a day of high drama across the road in parliament and of course , there's only one place to start. and that's the controversial rwanda bill that could make or break rishi sunak's premiership . this week, sunak's premiership. this week, show viewers live pictures now from the house of commons. as you can see, there are dozens of tory mps opposing the bill and its present form , and gb news its present form, and gb news can reveal that all all eight dup meps will vote against the government tomorrow . all eight government tomorrow. all eight dp members will vote against and that's in addition to the conservative rebels to discuss that further , i'm joined live in that further, i'm joined live in our westminster studio by gb news political editor, chris. i'm also joined by tom hunt, the tory mp for ipswich . let's start tory mp for ipswich. let's start with you. if we can. chris acas, dup . that line came to you

dup. that line came to you shortly before you came on air. and what's the latest on the numbers, the rising numbers of those conservative rebels? well numbers are growing. >> and i talked to a rebel leaderjust now in house of commons. they told me it's growing. there are people joining rather than leaving. we think the number is now 66 tory mps plus the eight the dup. that's 74 mps in total. mps plus the eight the dup. that's 74 mps in total . dup and that's 74 mps in total. dup and tory supporting these amendments from bill cash to try and beef up this rwanda bill to make it harder for judges to frustrate the work of it. you saw on our clip there from the live shot from the house of commons, that's robert buckland , of that's robert buckland, of course, is proposing his own amendments try and soften it amendments to try and soften it on the edges. it's unlikely that will go. there's a chance that if vote with buckland if labour vote with the buckland amendment and enough tory mps on the one nation side support it, then could also defeat the then that could also defeat the government on that. that's less likely. the one nation group is pretty intent on supporting this bill unamended. it would made very clear by matt warman, the

deputy leader to us, last week at reception . so it's all at their reception. so it's all to play for, i think what the rebels and the right want. and tom hunt will say more on this, i'm sure is they want to get some momentum behind the idea of hardening this bill. they can hardening this bill. if they can get growing , um, towards get numbers growing, um, towards 80, may be 7080 tonight into 80, it may be 7080 tonight into tomorrow with more votes, it'll make it'll be harder for number 10 not to put something in writing to support what the pm told gb news me yesterday when he said , i will overrule judges he said, i will overrule judges if i have to. >> okay, tom hunt, let's turn to you now . the public is on your you now. the public is on your side on you're one of side on this. you're one of those want these those 66 who want these amendments made a poll out today in the telegraph saying 42% back. the return of legal immigrants immediately boris johnson waded in a few hours ago. he supports the amendments. tell me, what are you asking of this bill and why so there's four there's four amendments that i've signed . that i've signed. >> uh, um, from robert jenrick and bill cash. um, i think that the, the key, the key two themes

are firstly, individual appeals. so we've said that rwanda in a general sense is safe, but we've still , as the general sense is safe, but we've still, as the bill stands at the moment, we're still an avenue for individuals to come up with a myriad of different reasons why for them . uh, why it's not safe for them. uh, and as we've just seen in the clip jenrick his clip from robert jenrick in his speech, minded to speech, the judges are minded to be to be incredibly sympathetic to those and those sorts of arguments. and therefore, it stands, therefore, i think as it stands, it be frustrated and tied it could be frustrated and tied up knots as a consequence of up in knots as a consequence of that in the armour. >> the other one is to do with section orders from section 39 interim orders from echr . we've already seen how echr. we've already seen how they work and how it grounded they work and how it grounded the first flight. we looked at, which is to think in sort of june 2022 as as the attorney general's legal advice and how it's currently written, i find it's currently written, i find it hard to that the minister it hard to see that the minister would actually and would actually use it and actually that and actually actually do that and actually ignore those interim orders. >> f- f to be tightened >> we want it to be tightened up, want de to be up, and we want de facto to be there, ignored. >> so, this morning, rishi >> so, tom, this morning, rishi sunak came out. he's hired 150 lawyers to fast track such appeals. he says that will

guarantee the courts won't be clogged. your fears will be allayed . is that enough for you? allayed. is that enough for you? >> well, in a sense, the fact that there's going to be 150 of these judges is an indication that they expect there to be a lot of appeal, which i supposedly wasn't meant to be, because was incredibly narrow. >> so in a sense, it might >> so that in a sense, it might have designed allay some have been designed to allay some concerns up concerns as kind of opened up other concerns. >> so, i mean, i think i think these these amendments are reasonable. abstained these these amendments are reamasse a. abstained these these amendments are reamasse at abstained these these amendments are reamasse at second abstained these these amendments are reamasse at second reading.|ined these these amendments are reamasse at second reading. wed en masse at second reading. we met with number 10, and they said that they would be open to sensible amendments that had sound international law. arguments are arguments for them. are amendments that test? we amendments meet that test? we think they're reasonable. we think they're reasonable. we think it would strengthen the bill. same thing as bill. we want the same thing as the prime minister wants. we want stop the boats. we want to stop the boats. we realise you realise that to do that, you have deterrent. this is our deterrent. >> we want it work and twice >> we want it to work and twice before myself and other conservative have, conservative colleagues have, you this bill, you know, we've said this bill, nationality borders bill, nationality and borders bill, illegal migration bill is going to work. >> sadly hasn't. makes >> sadly it hasn't. it makes sense like it to. sense which we'd like it to. this is our last chance. we need

to get right. chris. to get it right. chris. >> it's growing towards >> it's all growing towards a defeat tomorrow night. if defeat tomorrow night. tom if that for government that happens for the government and then you risk losing the entire have entire rwanda bill, you have nothing to offer. that's different going to the different to labour going to the next general election. is that what i want is there to be an >> what i want is there to be an accommodation between number 10 and the minister and those and the prime minister and those who have signed the amendments? we've got, i think it's 66 names have now backed these amendments. you know that's a significant chunk of the of the parliamentary party. you've had people got positions on people who have got positions on payroll who have who have signed these payroll who have who have signed thes so strongly about it. why feel so strongly about it. why do so strongly about do they feel so strongly about it? spend their it? because they spend their time talking to their constituents their constituents and they know their constituents see this as an overwhelming priority. >> astonishing that, overwhelming priority. >> this astonishingthat, overwhelming priority. >> this morning;hing that, overwhelming priority. >> this morning;hing tout. overwhelming priority. >> this morning;hing tout the tom, this morning came out the first 47 asylum seekers selected for the original deportation flight more than 18 months ago have still not have those claims processed for 589 days, they've been living at the taxpayers expense in britain. that surely backs up your position. people want this to be bomb proof, to be waterproof, so this can't

continue . continue. >> i mean, we've had back polling you refer to at the start the telegraph polling and i think it was 42% nationally would those who illegally would like those who illegally enter our country to be immediately ipswich, enter our country to be irthinkiately ipswich, enter our country to be irthink it:ely ipswich, enter our country to be irthink it was ipswich, enter our country to be irthink it was 40, ipswich, enter our country to be irthink it was 40, 45. ipswich, enter our country to be irthink it was 40, 45. and pswich, i think it was 40, 45. and i agree with that view. i think if you if you break our immigration law , if you come here from a law, if you come here from a safe european country , france, safe european country, france, you stay under any you shouldn't stay under any circumstances. i don't want your claim processed, you know, circumstances. i don't want your clairactually3rocessed, you know, circumstances. i don't want your clairactually only ssed, you know, circumstances. i don't want your clairactually only by d, you know, circumstances. i don't want your clairactually only by sendingnow, and actually only by sending those individuals deported swiftly to a safer country such as rwanda, does a message go out . and do you break the business model of a people smuggler? >> now, chris, hope had >> now, chris, hope you had a bet rishi that single >> now, chris, hope you had a bet wouldn't hat single >> now, chris, hope you had a bet wouldn't go single >> now, chris, hope you had a bet wouldn't go before le >> now, chris, hope you had a bet wouldn't go before the flight wouldn't go before the next election for pint next general election for a pint of beer, pint of do of beer, a pint of beer. do you think beer safe? and do think your beer is safe? and do you seeing of you think we're seeing a lot of posturing like we saw with brexit? and actually there'll be posturing like we saw with b lott? and actually there'll be posturing like we saw with b lot of and actually there'll be posturing like we saw with b lot of chest :tually there'll be posturing like we saw with b lot of chest puffinghere'll be posturing like we saw with b lot of chest puffinghere'thise a lot of chest puffing and this will voted through tomorrow. will get voted through tomorrow. >> bet was struck >> well, the bet was struck notionally. not even mr notionally. i'm not sure even mr mr sunak heard it properly. but back we thought back in september we thought it might election. yeah might be a may election. yeah i think is in my beer is

think the beer is in my beer is more at risk because i think november they might get some flights they can get this flights off if they can get this past the commons tomorrow and through the back and through the lords back again and then may. it's then passed by may. it's possible. mean, what but what possible. i mean, what but what do you want, tom hunt? do you want? when the said on want? when the pm said to us on gb he would gb news yesterday he would overrule pyjama overrule these pyjama injunctions, judges injunctions, stop the judges preventing the flights. what is that not enough for you? his word is not enough for you. or do you want it in writing, in a written bit of amendment, want it. >> i want it in writing. i and the amendment we've seen, you know, does job. know, i think does does the job. you and i think that you know and i and i think that the majority the vast majority of conservative they want to conservative mps, they want to deal this problem. it seems deal with this problem. it seems as colleagues in the as though some colleagues in the parliamentary party don't place as on as much importance on immigration issue. perhaps immigration as an issue. perhaps they it's as they don't think it's as important as do, and important an issue as i do, and many others i don't know why many others do. i don't know why they that they feel that way. >> i actually think that, >> and i actually think that, you as myself are you know, mps such as myself are far closely aligned with a far more closely aligned with a majority our voters . majority of our voters. >> well, that stands up to the polling but again, with polling today. but again, with echoes of brexit, you never agreed brexit. the liberal agreed on brexit. the liberal tories and the red wall tories,

for want of a better phrase. is it the same again? and if you're amendments do get signed off, they'll just be contested by the wets of lords. and wets and the house of lords. and round round go. wets and the house of lords. and rou but round go. wets and the house of lords. and rou but my'ound go. wets and the house of lords. and rou but my view go. wets and the house of lords. and rou but my view is go. wets and the house of lords. and rou but my view is i go. wets and the house of lords. and rou but my view is i think with >> but my view is i think with brexit we saw a profound realignment british politics. brexit we saw a profound r> i think you're opening the door to, um, you know, a very, very volatile political situation. >> i think your colleagues aren't conservatives, then. i mean, can you believe in immigration as being an issue? i saw rishi sunak being applauded when tackle in when he said he'd tackle it in accrington stanley , um, a week accrington stanley, um, a week

last why don't your last monday. why don't your colleagues get it in the same way do? way you do? >> i don't know, mean, i i'm, >> i don't know, i mean, i i'm, i'm, i spend a lot of time looking on doors, not each constituency the same, constituency will be the same, but ultimately i think, you but but ultimately i think, you know, mass migration , illegal know, mass migration, illegal migration, the level of migration, plus the level of legal migration we're seeing at the is changing our the moment is changing our country profoundly. it's chipping at many of the chipping away at many of the fundamental components of this country. >> do you think what's happening? there's an astonishing post code checker today on the telegraph , on this today on the telegraph, on this poll about you can check if people across the country , if people across the country, if they're in favour of immediate returns or not. that's a massive, massive disparity. where i live, one of the softest parts of britain where i'm from in ashfield, one of the highest, lea anderson seat, we have this hugely divided country, and within that zone we have a hugely divided conservative party with echoes of brexit. i bnng party with echoes of brexit. i bring up again the leafy shire tories. they're not as hardline as the red wall as isn't this underlying this, this, this kind of systemic division within the

conservative party? >> the reason for that is often the most affluent in society , the most affluent in society, living in the most affluent areas , who actually don't areas, who actually don't experience the brunt of the negatives associated with mass migration. often they're not queuing for the gp service as queuing up for the gp service as often they're not, you know , often they're not, you know, they're not going into the town centres seeing how they've centres and seeing how they've been by mass been negatively impacted by mass migration. a defining migration. this is a defining issue.i migration. this is a defining issue. i mean, yes, i, i want us to be united. of course i do. but ultimately is that possible? but ultimately is that possible? but it's more important we get this right. and actually being 70 or 80% of the way there is worth nothing if it doesn't get flights off to rwanda. chris >> but you mentioned mass migration. legal migration. that's legal migration. that's legal migration allowed by migration that's been allowed by the it's been allowed the treasury. it's been allowed by tory going back to by the tory party going back to 2010, the was 2010, when the target was getting net net net tens getting down to net net net tens of thousands. we know the treasury migration to fuel treasury need migration to fuel economic growth. i mean, i mean, this is this is illegal migration. we're describing it today. but you're talking about net legal migration, which which the happy the government is happy with, which which is too high. >> we should not be viewing this

purely in terms of gdp. >> should be viewing it in >> we should be viewing it in terms capita. terms of gdp per capita. >> be viewing it in >> we should be viewing it in terms pressure on public terms of pressure on public services, cohesion, services, social cohesion, all of to be of these things. it needs to be viewed around the key viewed in around the key thing is impact have on is what impact does it have on the quality of life of my constituents, not gdp per se. that the thing. there is that is the key thing. there is an chasm, a disconnect an unhealthy chasm, a disconnect between vast majority of between where a vast majority of people are in this country and the immigration the reality of immigration policy that desperate policy right now, that desperate needs to narrowed for the needs to be narrowed for the good democracy. good of our democracy. >> think the problem is >> do you think the problem is that is controlled by that policy is controlled by people who benefit high people who benefit from high immigration people who benefit from high immigpolicy makers, officials, class policy makers, officials, mps , ministers, people who mps, ministers, people who benefit from high net migration . benefit from high net migration. >> all they don't live in the problem. all they don't live in the community. >> the problems that tom describing, whereas impacts >> the problems that tom des�*whole, whereas impacts >> the problems that tom des�*whole list.ereas impacts the whole list. >> um, i think there's an >> um, well, i think there's an element that. right? element of truth to that. right? i think there's an element of truth to that. know, truth to that. but i you know, i don't think it should be for don't think it should be up for the office of budget responsibility or, you know, other essentially other people to essentially bind elected governments when it comes you comes to migration policy. you know, should be up to know, i think it should be up to elected politicians to respond

to concerns, to their constituents concerns, to their constituents concerns, to look, people left the to set it. look, people left the one reasons wanted to set it. look, people left the onleave reasons wanted to set it. look, people left the onleave thezasons wanted to set it. look, people left the onleave the eu>ns wanted to set it. look, people left the onleave the eu is. wanted to set it. look, people left the onleave the eu is to wanted to set it. look, people left the onleave the eu is to take wanted to set it. look, people left the onleave the eu is to take back ed to leave the eu is to take back control our borders. and they control of our borders. and they thought that was what was happening ended happening until we have ended free good free movement, that's a good thing. changes thing. we have made some changes on migration. the on net legal migration. the salary is to go salary threshold is going to go up. that's thing. but we up. that's a good thing. but we need further. need to go further. >> what do you think going to >> what do you think is going to happen tomorrow? >> don't know. i >> i honestly don't know. i honestly don't know hope honestly don't know what i hope will happen is, you know, we will happen is, you know, we will as support as will get as much support as possible for these amendments. we will have productive discussions government. discussions with the government. we government we will get the government to adopt or adopt various amendments or changes. if not changes. but, you know, if not being 100% of what we want or a lot of what we want to the point where bill will where we think this bill will work a very high chance work or has a very high chance of working, then can of working, and then we can all in behind that bill in unison, get behind that bill and spell out the weaknesses of the labour party's position. because whenever the labour party have had an opportunity, they've voted against all attempts to control migration at the i think we can the moment. so i think if we can get this strong, we can get it right. we can unite behind it, we keir starmer on the we can put keir starmer on the spot. finally i'll you what spot. finally i'll tell you what could because you don't

could happen because you don't know to happen. know what's going to happen. >> happen is the >> what could happen is the government could no government could face a no confidence vote by early next week, third week, because if the third reading on reading falls tomorrow on primary duty primary legislation, it's duty bound. labour, the bound. and on the labour, the opposition , to forward opposition, to put forward a vote of confidence your vote of no confidence in your government, will win . government, which you will win. but that could bring about the end government sooner end of this government sooner rather don't see rather than later. i don't see why it would need to. >> i mean, ultimately this isn't about the leadership to the conservative far as conservative party. as far as i'm this is purely i'm concerned. this is purely about this huge existential issue profoundly to issue that matters profoundly to my constituents getting it my constituents and getting it right . that's what it's about, right. that's what it's about, you know, and ultimately, the key thing when it comes to a next general election is have we stopped or we got stopped the boats or have we got flights to rwanda? would flights to rwanda? that would be the thing. we have a the key thing. so if we have a little of topsy turvy the little bit of topsy turvy in the next weeks, but next couple of weeks, but actually in eight months time we get the right this get to the right place and this create dividing line of create a huge dividing line of labour it. that's that's labour on it. that's that's where i want to be. there's where i want us to be. there's no now, let's where i want us to be. there's no sing now, let's where i want us to be. there's no sing kumbaya now, let's where i want us to be. there's no sing kumbaya and|ow, let's where i want us to be. there's no sing kumbaya and you let's where i want us to be. there's no sing kumbaya and you know, all sing kumbaya and you know, sit and sit around a campfire. and actually we end up with policy sit around a campfire. and actu doesn'tend up with policy sit around a campfire. and actu doesn't work.) with policy sit around a campfire. and actu doesn't work. no th policy sit around a campfire. and actu doesn't work. no one'solicy that doesn't work. no one's going to thank us for that. in

eight time. eight months time. >> okay. a fantastic ripsnorter start show. tom hunt, >> okay. a fantastic ripsnorter start hope show. tom hunt, >> okay. a fantastic ripsnorter start hope that's. tom hunt, >> okay. a fantastic ripsnorter start hope that's what hunt, >> okay. a fantastic ripsnorter start hope that's what went, >> okay. a fantastic ripsnorter start hope that's what we love chris hope that's what we love on show. thank on this show. fabulous. thank you coming in you so much for coming in and come again get, get come in again and get, get, get some pals over here. some of your pals over here. this where it's all at mine. this is where it's all at mine. superb. all right. we'll have lots the rwanda debate lots more on the rwanda debate throughout the show. of course, in we're joined in the next hour we're joined by a get their view on a labour mp to get their view on this bill and also this controversial bill and also plenty coverage our plenty of coverage on our website, gbnews.com. and you've plenty of coverage on our websitetoibnews.com. and you've plenty of coverage on our websitetoibnewzit om. and you've plenty of coverage on our websiteto ibnewzit om. fastest u've helped to make it the fastest growing website in growing national news website in the country. so thank you very much you guys out much to all of you guys out there. now alan bates says it's taking too long for victims taking far too long for victims of the post office scandal to get disagree get compensation who disagree with daubney on with that? i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel .

news news . news news. >> welcome back. it's 325. you're watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news now later this hour we'll have the latest from the middle east, where shell , the oil company, where shell, the oil company, has suspended all shipments through the red sea indefinitely. and that will probably spark misery for british people at the pumps. now to a dramatic day in the post office scandal and a shock admission from the company responsible for the faulty honzon responsible for the faulty horizon software, paul patterson , who's the chief executive of europe for fujitsu services, says he doesn't know why they didn't act when they when they knew they were faults in their own system. years ago. astonishing revelation . i'm

astonishing revelation. i'm joined now to discuss this further in the studio by our political correspondent, catherine forsyth. catherine every day this this inquiry from horror, the incompetence , the horror, the incompetence, the cover up. and now the admission. they didn't really know what they were doing at fujitsu . they were doing at fujitsu. >> indeed, this is a scandal that has been rumbling on now for about a quarter of a century. and yet the victims , century. and yet the victims, hundreds of them still haven't been given compensation even really at all. have they in any meaningful way. so today we've got the ongoing public inquiry. i know our reporter theo will be filling you in on that later. we also had the business select committee in parliament and alan bates, the, the ringleader. if you like, of the postmasters there , there in person, of there, there in person, of course, the hero of the tv drama that's gone taken. everybody has taken to heart along with joe hamilton, the postmistress , who hamilton, the postmistress, who pleaded guilty because she was

terrified of going to jail but was in fact entirely innocent , was in fact entirely innocent, along with post office bosses and fujitsu bosses. let's take a look first at what paul patterson, the current head of fujitsu in europe , had to say. fujitsu in europe, had to say. let's have a little look. >> i don't know . let's have a little look. >> i don't know. i really don't know. and um, on a personal level , i wish know. and um, on a personal level, i wish i did know , um, level, i wish i did know, um, following my appointment in 2019, i've looked back on those situations for the company and the evidence i've seen, and i just don't know what i do know is the inquiry is looking at this very point of who knew what and when and what action they did or did not take to draw attention to, uh , to the attention to, uh, to the concerns i just don't know . concerns i just don't know. >> it's like fawlty towers , i >> it's like fawlty towers, i know nothing. it's like , how can know nothing. it's like, how can you not how can you go to an inquiry and not have the answers to these questions? it must be laid down in in documented facts

. it must exist. how can you turn up and say, i don't know, incredible isn't it? >> yes. i mean, clearly a lot of people who should have known and probably did know are finding that they can't recollect it. in fairness to him , he hasn't been fairness to him, he hasn't been in the post long. and also in fairness to him, he has admitted we did have bugs and errors in the system and we did help the post office in their prosecutions. he says that he is truly sorry for that, and he admits that the company fujitsu, admits that the company fujitsu, a massive multinational company with huge numbers of government contracts, still says that they have a moral obligation to pay compensation . so fujitsu, the compensation. so fujitsu, the company at the heart of this, suggesting that they will pay and that they're already having conversations with people in government at the post office. boss nick reed. um not coming off terribly well from this ehhen off terribly well from this either. perhaps even worse. um, he wasn't able to say when he

knew that the post office first could remotely access, um, postmasters accounts. this is something that they denied for year after year after year, when in fact, they were doing it. this was central to those prosecutions as nor, it seems, have the post office kept the evidence of what was paid by these postmark letters? they were charged for money that they hadnt were charged for money that they hadn't , in fact lost. and what hadn't, in fact lost. and what is owed back? they don't seem to know that either. and he's asked how they can not know this stuff or what's happened. and he's basically saying there was obviously a culture of denial. he's saying that he hopes that people didn't actually know that the post office was lying . um, the post office was lying. um, but of course , he can't prove but of course, he can't prove it. and there are allegations coming out every day, fresh allegations from whistleblowers of people knowing that the system was faulty. in fact, we now know that even before it was put in in 1999, um, fujitsu

people saying they knew it was faulty, that it was a pile of can't say it on afternoon tv, that it was full of bugs. it was raised with tony blair in government at the time that they knew it was faulty, but it was put in anyway and then for 15 years they prosecute . did years they prosecute. did innocent postmasters , uh, for innocent postmasters, uh, for debts that they didn't have for a system that they knew in the beginning had problems quite unbelievable , astonishing. unbelievable, astonishing. >> fujitsu said they didn't know what was going on. alan bates saying the whole process had been down in red been bogged down in red tape describing the process as madness. late in the show, we will speak to a post office who served 18 months in prison as a consequence of this, vijay parekh, who was forced to pay back 78 grand. we'll see what he makes of this pantomime later on the show. katherine forster thank you very much that thank you very much for that update. now there's still lots more come between now and more to come between now and 4:00. bring the 4:00. i'll bring you all the latest increasing latest on the increasing tensions middle east, tensions in the middle east, where another commercial ship has by a missile has been struck by a missile fired from yemen . but first,

fired from yemen. but first, here's your latest news headunes here's your latest news headlines with sophia wenzler. thank you. >> martin, it's 331. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb news room . now wenzler in the gb news room. now gb news understands eight dup members are planning to vote against the rwanda bill. mps are currently debating the flagship migration policy legislation in the commons. tory rebel leader danny kruger has been holding talks with several mps from the conservative right , lee anderson conservative right, lee anderson and brendan clarke—smith are among those who are backing moves to toughen up the bill. rebels mps fear legislation in the bill will overwhelm courts with appeals from asylum seeking migrants. mr kruger told gb news. dup support is invaluable . news. dup support is invaluable. >> we've had conversations with the dup. naturally enough they will make their own decision and let's see how i think their meeting later today well. but meeting later today as well. but if that's what happens if that's if that's what happens , very to hear it , i'd be very pleased to hear it and that you know, in and that means, you know, in theory we've got over

theory we've got we've got over 60 conservative colleagues already committing to or they sign the amendments. let's hope they all follow and they all follow through and actually amendments actually vote for the amendments this hopeful that this evening. i'm hopeful that most them will with the dup. most of them will with the dup. that significant number that makes a significant number of who think that the of colleagues who think that the bill should strengthened. bill should be strengthened. and ihope bill should be strengthened. and i hope government will i hope that the government will listen. >> oil company shell has indefinitely suspended all shipments through the red sea. oil prices have risen by 1. that's after the governor of the bank of england, andrew bailey , bank of england, andrew bailey, warned attacks in the region could impact prices. it's after uk and us strikes on yemen's houthi rebels triggered fears of further escalation. meanwhile a maltese flagged commercial ship has been struck by a missile fired from yemen while transiting northbound and in the red sea from vietnam to israel. the zoographia had 24 crew on board and was sailing empty of cargo, and there are no reported injuries . the fujitsu boss has injuries. the fujitsu boss has told mps. the post office knew about the bugs and errors in the honzon about the bugs and errors in the horizon system. the business

trade committee are hearing from key figures in the post office scandal, including wrongfully convicted subpostmaster alan bates. they're looking at the appeal processes in place to help overturn convictions and deliver compensations to victims . the fujitsu boss has apologised and says the company have a moral obligation to contribute to the compensation scheme. he said management knew of the it issues very early on. more than 300 fujitsu employees have announced they'll take strike action from tomorrow in their dispute over pay . members their dispute over pay. members of the public and commercial services union will walk out for a day , followed by further a day, followed by further action next month, the union says. action next month, the union says . employees have been says. employees have been offered a pay rise of between 3% and 4, which it said is ten times less than their counterparts in japan . and you counterparts in japan. and you can get more on all those stories by visiting our website at gbnews.com .

at gbnews.com. >> for stunning gold and silver coins, you'll always value the rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report , the gb news financial report, and here's a quick snapshot of today's markets . today's markets. >> the pound will buy you $1.2652 and ,1.1634. the price . $1.2652 and ,1.1634. the price. of gold is £1,612, and £0.80 per ounce, and the ftse 100 is at 7559 points. rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . financial report. >> thank you sophia. now to the crisis in the middle east and another ship in the red sea has been hit by a missile fired from yemen . the maltese flagged yemen. the maltese flagged commercial vessel is the second to be struck in two days after a us owned ship was targeted yesterday . it comes as the yesterday. it comes as the iranian backed houthi rebels

threaten to expand their targets in response to the uk and us led strikes last thursday . i'm strikes last thursday. i'm joined now by our security edhon joined now by our security editor, mark white. mark this, this, this crisis carries on apace and the latest news of shell suspending shipments through the red sea can only heighten the fact that this is now turning into something that could well affect brits in their in their pockets. >> yeah. an indication just >> yeah. an indication of just how companies are how concerned companies are about using these vital sea lanes or are real issues now because clearly it was the hope of the uk and the us that these strikes last thursday would be that bloody nose to the houthi rebels, uh, to, to stop them to get them to desist from launching these missiles as they have been doing for months now, ever since. really october the 7th, they said that they were targeting ships linked to israel, either going to or

coming from israel or being in some other way linked to israel. but now , as you mentioned in but now, as you mentioned in your introduction there, martin, they say they're extending that , they say they're extending that, uh, that they are prepared now to strike at uk and us ships , to strike at uk and us ships, um, and that they see them as hostile targets in light of those attacks on thursday night. and that is a real concern. um, we have also had another development, martin, that came overnight with iran, this time launched missiles towards iraq , launched missiles towards iraq, striking what they claimed was an israeli intelligence headquarters in the city of erbil . uh, now the iraqi erbil. uh, now the iraqi government has clearly condemned these attacks. we have had little in the way of comment from the israelis, but this is another escalation. and it comes as the, uh, conflict in gaza

still rages on. and it's not job done.i still rages on. and it's not job done. i think as far as the israelis are concerned, because they have said that there was another attack into southern israel today. and we're looking at the pictures for these those in radio. um, i will describe these pictures. it's trails from these pictures. it's trails from the patriot missiles into the morning sky in explosion smoke puffs , uh, that are visible puffs, uh, that are visible dozens of them from a huge battery, uh, from the israeli iron dome defence system. because of these rockets that were launched by hamas into southern israel. and that shows you, martin, that hamas still has a capability to attack civilian communities in israel. and while that is the case, they will continue to fight on in gaza and, mark, there were some astonishing comments from the qatari prime minister who is currently at the world economic forum meeting in davos .

forum meeting in davos. >> and he was saying that bombs from the uk and bombed from the usa won't end this. what will end the houthi strikes is a ceasefire in gaza . an ceasefire in gaza. an extraordinary thing to say ? extraordinary thing to say? >> well, to an extent to mean the houthi rebels clearly, they've said from the outset that the reason they're targeting shipping , shipping is targeting shipping, shipping is because they they see this as a way of supporting the palestinians in gaza, however perverted that logic might be. they say they're going after or at least initially were going after ships that were linked to israel, i think is a fairly tenuous claim. uh, and some of the support links to israel. but now the real concern, of course, in the red sea and the gulf of aden, all around that area is that this really is now widening out, that this rebel group, uh, is prepared to look at other targets and indeed not just look at them, is striking other targets . yesterday it was a us

targets. yesterday it was a us owned bulk carrier . today it's owned bulk carrier. today it's not british. it's not us owned. uh, it's a maltese flagged and greek owned ship . yep. okay. it greek owned ship. yep. okay. it was heading according to the houthi rebels , towards israel. houthi rebels, towards israel. but it's an indication of just how dangerous and volatile that situation is. out there. and i guess really, we just wait to see now what the us and the uk will do. they've said that they intended for the strikes to be limited, but they would not hesitate to strike again if the houthis persisted in targeting commercial shipping . commercial shipping. >> and mark, that's the big question. um, these limited strikes were meant to quash this. they seem to have done the opposite . um, the houthis are opposite. um, the houthis are emboldened to respond grant shapps earlier saying, we now live in a pre—war war world, mark. all we advancing more to less of the pre and more of the fact we're going to be at war if

we're not careful soon in the middle east. >> yeah. well i mean, there's rarely year gone by when we rarely a year gone by when we haven't been in conflict of some sort, even if it's limited strikes launched, strikes that have been launched, uh, in the manner that we're seeing at the moment, uh, to try to deal with either the houthi rebels or isis in syria. um, we are in a much more uncertain and dangerous global environment than we have been for many, many years . uh, than we have been for many, many years. uh, and grant shapps , years. uh, and grant shapps, you're right, was highlighting in his speech yesterday that the peace dividend that was enjoyed , peace dividend that was enjoyed, uh, after the cold war years can no longer be the case. there has to be enough investment in defence. now. the government has committed , it says, to 2.5% of committed, it says, to 2.5% of gdp in defence, but it hasn't given a timetable for when it will reach 2.5% of gdp in defence and all the while we're getting these reports of ships

that are being scrapped or tied up, uh, because of funding issues and manpower issues. it issues and manpower issues. it is a very concerning state of affairs . affairs. >> okay. mark white, concerning the times. thank you for that. full and comprehensive update. thank you . now, the uk is thank you. now, the uk is shivering after cold arctic air brought freezing temperatures . brought freezing temperatures. wigan is one of the places that's under currently a blanket of snow and will cross there soon. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel .

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vote against the government? 66 rebels and rising? we've heard on this show in the last hour, including eight dup. on top of that, 74 rebels poised to strike at the very latest on this this huge story at 4:00. and throughout the show, the entire future of rishi sunak and his government depends on this vote, which is tomorrow evening. the debate, of course , today, all of debate, of course, today, all of that live on gb news now, many parts of scotland and the north—west of england are under a blanket of snow as the cold start to the year continues , gb start to the year continues, gb news viewers can see the scenes in wigan right here after snow fell overnight. looks beautiful . fell overnight. looks beautiful. merseyside, cheshire and cumbria are also badly affected by the wintry weather, while more than 100 schools were closed in scotland today. great news for the kids. not so much for the parents. now let's cross the wigan and join our north west england reporter sophie reaper sophy , you seem to get all the

sophy, you seem to get all the jobs where you're freezing your wotsits off. what's the latest ? wotsits off. what's the latest? >> somehow that is indeed the case here in wigan today. they're one of the worst affected areas . they've seen affected areas. they've seen around 4 to 5cm of snow falling with continued flurries throughout the day. this morning there was major travel disruption, not just here in wigan but across the north west, with many of the major roads experiencing large queues, even crashes with national highway uh giving out a major weather warning telling drivers to take extreme precautions and to make sure that they add in any additional time for journeys that are essential now. and now. the major roads do seem to be clear, but it's pedestrianised areas like this one where the risk now lies . any drivers risk now lies. any drivers who've been coming behind me here today are taking extreme care, and pedestrians even more so on the pavements are still completely covered by snow and

ice, but it's not just the roads that have faced disruption. today. we know of at least two schools in greater manchester. you mentioned the schools in scotland, but there are at least two here in greater manchester that been forced to close that have been forced to close today safety concerns for today due to safety concerns for both students . the met both staff and students. the met office issuing that yellow weather warning for both snow andice weather warning for both snow and ice for many parts of the uk, not just here in the north west, and that will be in place now until friday. in terms of temperature, we're sitting at just above freezing here in wigan , as i'm sure many other wigan, as i'm sure many other parts of the uk are as well. but overnight, now that the sun is starting set, the freeze starting to set, the freeze really is beginning to set in very, very cold. it's starting to get. we're expecting temperatures of around minus five minus six overnight and for the coming days as well. so unfortunately for the people of the north west and the other areas in the uk, that will be affected, it does seem that the big freeze for now at least, is here to stay. >> okay , sophie reaper, you get

>> okay, sophie reaper, you get yourself a nice warm cup of tea and everybody else out there stay the latest stay safe. thanks for the latest on the big freeze. that's sophie reaper wigan, now a reaper live from wigan, now a hotel in newquay , has launched hotel in newquay, has launched a groundbreaking scheme to protect people feeling vulnerable at night—time. the plan means they can directed to a safe space can be directed to a safe space where they can help to seek refuge or call for help if they needit. refuge or call for help if they need it . and the scheme now need it. and the scheme is now being out across the being rolled out across the whole with the aim of whole town, with the aim of turning the turning newquay into the country's first safe space town. well, our south—west of england reporter jeff moody went to find out more . out more. >> meet oleg ignatyev, owner of the newquay beach hotel, creator of the town's fledgling safe space initiative. >> because we're open 24 seven, the idea was that if anybody is feeling threatened , they can pop feeling threatened, they can pop in here and we can create a safe space. we'll call the authorities if required. we'll isolate them required . isolate them if required. >> and scheme was created >> and the scheme was created after a worrying spate of incidents in the town. girls followed home at night. drunkenness low level attacks .

drunkenness low level attacks. within weeks of opening up his hotel as a safe space, oleg decided to roll the scheme out over the whole town. qr codes will be displayed on lampposts , will be displayed on lampposts, in public toilets, in every pubuc in public toilets, in every public space. when you scan the qr code , we're creating a map qr code, we're creating a map which will show all the safe spaces that will show the nearest one to you, the one that's open and obviously you can link to your maps and you can link to your maps and you can get a directions there immediately. >> or you can call the safe space as well. >> once in a safe space, whether it be a bar, a hotel or a cab office, specially trained staff can help to isolate the vulnerable , offer assistance and vulnerable, offer assistance and call the police if need be. the community is getting behind the project at next step to enlist as many other businesses as possible who can open their doors at night to create a network of safe spaces . mark network of safe spaces. mark warren is newquay's business improvement district manager. >> we're looking at just about

we're about to start recruiting businesses that want to get involved, but it is a simple scheme. it's but if i'm honest, it's just about being compassionate and caring for the community. amazing community. so we've got amazing businesses welcome businesses that would welcome people come in they feel people to come in if they feel in need . and we're talking about in need. and we're talking about that, that vulnerable moment when centre when you're in in a town centre or you're, you know, you're walking you feel walking through and you feel a little awkward, maybe you little bit awkward, maybe you need call to mum need to make a phone call to mum to up or, or or more to pick you up or, or or more importantly, maybe we need to speak police, it's speak to the police, but it's just somewhere and just having somewhere and somebody care . last somebody that would care. last yean somebody that would care. last year, newquay hit the headlines after a hotel in the town opened its doors to asylum seekers, leaving the community divided. >> angry and with a feeling that things weren't as safe as they were before . but now the council were before. but now the council is on board, as are the police . is on board, as are the police. the hope is enough. businesses sign up so there are safe spaces throughout the town and eventually to create a business model that can be rolled out across other towns and cities across other towns and cities across the uk . jeff moody, gb

news. >> it's a great report from jeff moody there, but it begs the question , why do we need to question, why do we need to start these safe spaces in the first and jeff makes the first place? and jeff makes the very clear distinction there of the asylum seeker hotel that made the news in the town. and we had a lot of reports contacted here at gb news about the safety being directly linked to that, particularly of young women. so it's okay to come up with a great solution like this. but probably sometimes we should look about look a bit more about the underlying issue. just my two pennies worth. now lots of you even get in touch with your thoughts that rwanda bill, thoughts on that rwanda bill, which has been debated as we speak. let's start with them here, are live here, jeff. these are live pictures houses of pictures from the houses of parliament. it's been debated in the as we speak. jeff the commons as we speak. jeff says this. i'm not sure what there is to understand. in 2019, bofis there is to understand. in 2019, boris got a massive majority to and say that that was nothing to do with promises to control migration is frankly living on a different planet. joanne says this. martin, please explain to

me why sunak is so opposed to the renee bill changes when he knows that the tories future could be riding on it, not to mention his own reputation . as mention his own reputation. as stewart says, this , if the stewart says, this, if the government had balls, they could send flights to rwanda tomorrow . send flights to rwanda tomorrow. just do what the other countries do, like france, and ignore the echr. and finally , ian says this echr. and finally, ian says this sunak needs to go and get someone with the balls to replace them, like lee anderson and lee anderson. of course, deputy chair of the conservative party he's been leading these rebels for 66 and counting . and rebels for 66 and counting. and now eight dup aligned to that 74. um opposed to the rwanda bill today , of course, it's just bill today, of course, it's just a debate. we now have the votes coming tomorrow night. we'll be covering that on this show all the while live all the way to the while live all the way to the wire. and just to repeat, at least 66 tory mps have signed that. least 66 tory mps have signed that . that least 66 tory mps have signed that. that bill is rishi sunak

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really plummet, could get into negative figures in some negative double figures in some places. a harsh widespread frost , patches to watch , also some icy patches to watch out for through out for as we go through wednesday . and for many, it's wednesday. and for many, it's actually looking largely dry and there will be a good deal of sunshine once any cloud in sunshine to once any cloud in the clears away the the south clears away the feature that could have brought some disruptive snow some heavy, disruptive snow in the looks like will the south now looks like it will stay of us, but stay to the south of us, but there will be snow there will still be some snow showers their way in showers pushing their way in across parts of northern western scotland and northern scotland and also northern ireland the ireland too. despite the sunshine temperatures still on the chilly the low side, so a chilly feel to things, albeit with mostly light winds looking ahead towards thursday and for many it is going to be mostly is again going to be mostly fine. again there will fine. and again there will be plenty sunshine still plenty of sunshine around. still some snow showers most likely for northern of scotland, for northern parts of scotland, but western and eastern but some western and eastern coasts some flurries but some western and eastern co times. some flurries but some western and eastern co times. fridayne flurries but some western and eastern co times. friday is flurries but some western and eastern co times. friday is looking at times. two friday is looking largely dry before some wet, windy and milder weather arrives in time for the weekend. bye bye i >> -- >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers spot hours of up. boxt boilers spot hours of weather on gb news as

i >> -- >> well . >> well. >> well. >> good afternoon. it's 4 pm. welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news broadcasting live from the heart of westminster all across the uk. now it's a dramatic day in the house of commons, where the rwanda bill is being debated right now. as you can see on screen live pictures from the

commons , a massive 66 tory mps commons, a massive 66 tory mps have backed amendments to the bill. the best analysis and reaction is on the way very shortly. throughout this entire show and throughout the evening until that dramatic vote tomorrow evening and wages are still going up. but they're still going up. but they're still nearly a million job vacancies in the uk, with the amount of people claiming benefits also on the rise. and we've been finding out what you think about the uk's benefit system . next, there's a major system. next, there's a major admission from the boss of the responsible for the faulty software at the heart of the horizon. post office scandal, he said he doesn't know why they didn't act when they knew they were faults in their own system. that of course, is a boss at fujitsu . and speaking of the fujitsu. and speaking of the post office, it's claimed that just in, welby backs the disgrace paula vennells bid to become the bishop of london. so should the archbishop of wokery now resign. and as usual, i want

to hear from you . loads of you to hear from you. loads of you have been in touch already about this rwanda bill. does rishi have the guts to go through with it all these amendments going to be enough or will they fold once again as on brexit and again as they did on brexit and put through a watered down piece of legislation that simply won't do the job? let me know what you think. vaiews@gbnews.com later this hour. with so many tories opposed the rwanda bill, i'll get labour's take on this huge story . but before that it's your story. but before that it's your latest news headlines with polly middlehurst . martin. middlehurst. martin. >> thank you. good afternoon . >> thank you. good afternoon. >> thank you. good afternoon. >> well the top story from the db newsroom is that gb news understands eight dup members are now planning to vote against the government's rwanda bill. mps are still debating that proposal and legislation in the

commons today. proposal and legislation in the commons today . there are tory commons today. there are tory rebels too , in their leader, rebels too, in their leader, danny kruger has been holding talks with several mps from the conservative right, lee anderson and brendan clarke—smith among those who are backing moves to toughen up the bill to get those flights off the ground. rebelling mps fear the bill, as it stands, may overwhelm the court system with appeals from asylum seekers. and number 10 is saying it is still the missing piece to stop the small boats crisis. danny kruger told gb news dup support is therefore invaluable . invaluable. >> we've had conversations with the dup. naturally enough they will make their own decision and let's see how i think their meeting later today as well. but if if that's what if that's if that's what happens, i'd be very pleased to if that's if that's what happit.;, i'd be very pleased to if that's if that's what happit.;, i'd that 'ery pleased to if that's if that's what happit.;, i'd that means,1sed to if that's if that's what happit.;, i'dthat means, you to hear it. and that means, you know, we've got we've know, in theory we've got we've got conservative got over 60 conservative colleagues already committing to or they signed the amendments. let's hope they all follow through vote for through and actually vote for the this evening. i'm the amendments this evening. i'm hopeful that them will hopeful that most of them will with makes with the dup. that makes a significant number of colleagues who think bill should

who think that the bill should be i hope that be strengthened. and i hope that the government will listen. >> kruger, former >> danny kruger, will the former immigration robert immigration minister, robert jenrick that jenrick told the commons that amendments to the rwanda bill are the last chance to get this policy right. the revealed preference of the judiciary is to be generous towards illegal migrants. >> it is to make this scheme difficult to operationalise and as this is the last legal opportunity or legislative opportunity or legislative opportunity for to us tackle this issue, i suggest we get it right and we narrow the opportunities for the judiciary to intervene or else we're going to intervene or else we're going to find that these flights are symbolic flights with very few individuals on them at all. well let's turn our attentions to the middle east now, where the oil company shell has today announced it's indefinitely suspending all shipments through the red sea . the red sea. >> oil prices have already risen today by 1. that's after the

governor of the bank of england, andrew bailey, warned attacks in the region may impact prices . the region may impact prices. and it's after the uk and us strikes on yemen's houthi rebels triggered fears of further escalation of tensions in the region. meanwhile a maltese flagged commercial ship has been struck by a missile fired from yemen while transiting northbound in the red sea from vietnam to israel. the zoographia had 24 crew on board, was sailing empty. there are no reports of any injuries. here at home. the fujitsu boss has told mps. the post office knew about the bugs and errors in the honzon the bugs and errors in the horizon it system . the business horizon it system. the business and trade committee are hearing from the key figures in the post office scandal, including wrongfully convicted subpostmaster alan bates. they're looking now at the appeal processes in place to help overturn convictions and deliver compensation. the fujitsu boss has apologised and says the company do have a moral obugafion says the company do have a moral

obligation to contribute to the compensation scheme for postmaster alan bates blames red tape for compensation delays. i mean, there is no reason at all why full financial redress shouldn't have been delivered by how. >> now. >> it's gone on for far too long. people are suffering . long. people are suffering. they've been they're dying . they've been they're dying. we're losing numbers along the way . and it's just seems to be way. and it's just seems to be tied up in bureaucracy . tied up in bureaucracy. >> meanwhile, post office inquiry has continuing to look into more detailed evidence of the horizon. it scandal. gb news national reporter theo chikomba has some more detail as the inquiry continues. >> we heard from rajwinder sangha, who worked for fujitsu between 2010 and 2016, in the fraud and litigation office . fraud and litigation office. part of her role was to take some of that data from post offices across the country, particularly looking at transactions and some of the

issues they had between 1999 and 2015. although she worked between 2010 and 2016. when asked whether she was responsible about some of those issues, which were highlighted in correspondence such as emails and documents, she simply said that was meant for people who are higher and much more experienced than her. a more than 300 fujitsu employee , than 300 fujitsu employee, kyrees have announced they'll be taking strike action from tomorrow in their pay dispute. >> members of the public and commercial service union in the west midlands will walk out for the day, followed by further action next month . the union action next month. the union says employees have been offered a pay says employees have been offered a pay rise between and 4, a pay rise of between 3 and 4, which it said is ten times lower than their counterparts in japan . now a people smuggler has been jailed for trying to bring a migrant into the uk by cramming her into the dashboard of his car. if you're watching on television, take a look at this extraordinary image of a

vietnamese woman wedged inside a tiny , custom built hideaway tiny, custom built hideaway behind a vauxhall vectra glove box, border force officers searched the vehicle after noticing the carpet on the passenger side seemed out of place. 33 year old joseph balog , place. 33 year old joseph balog, from slovakia, was sentenced to two and a half years in prison for assisting the unlawful immigration into the country at canterbury crown court today we'll just bring you some breaking news concerning events in the middle east. we're talking a little bit earlier on about shells stopping shipping in the sea , where we can in the red sea, where we can tell you now that news from the pentagon seems to indicate the us has targeted for hootie anti—ship missiles in a new strike on yemen. that's according to us officials. and that, of course, the latest military action against the iran backed group over its targeting of commercial shipping in the red sea. that news just to in us.the red sea. that news just to in us. the us, it seems, has targeted um for it seems anti—ship missiles in a new strike on yemen will keep you up

to date. of course, with what's happening in the red sea and the gulf of aden throughout the rest of the day. right here, gp news. >> thank you. paul coyte . now >> thank you. paul coyte. now we've got loads to get through, but we're start, of course, with the controversial rwanda bill that rishi sunak is desperate to push through parliament. but the bad news for the prime minister is that more than 60 tory mps have signed amendments to the legislation. in fact, we understand it's now 66 and rising, and we can show viewers live pictures right there from the house of commons as we speak. this is being debated. a huge debate which will determine the future of the rwanda bill. the concern of party, perhaps, and the next general election . and the next general election. and as well as so many conservatives opposing the bill, gb news brought you the exclusive line from chris hope, our editor , and that our political editor, and that is that all eight mps will is that all eight dup mps will also vote against the government

tomorrow. the rebellion is growing and i'm joined now by chris hope in the studio to discuss this. chris out of breath, dashing back to westminster to get fresh information for us between hourly takes. i understand you've got some juice for us. >> that's right. we've been talking to a senior former tory cabinet minister saying they were that there's no were surprised that there's no deal been done yet by the government. government , deal been done yet by the government. government, in government. the government, in all these meetings they're having with rebels, all these meetings they're havingvery, with rebels, all these meetings they're havingvery, very with rebels, all these meetings they're havingvery, very calm rebels, all these meetings they're havingvery, very calm about;, all these meetings they're havingvery, very calm about it. seem very, very calm about it. they can manage this they think they can manage this rebellion. they know that the numbers be numbers today, they won't be enough the enough to get them through the numbers supporting sir bill cash's to allow cash's amendment to allow ministers to ignore elements of the human rights act with regard to these migrants, notwithstanding clauses they're called in parliament's main , called in parliament's main, maybe 66 to mps might support it. eight more dup , that's 74. it. eight more dup, that's 74. big rebellion, but not enough to cause the government any problems . they'll win cause the government any problems. they'll win it. but i think there are concerns here. i think, um, the, the those on the right, the tory right do feel

that as momentum builds overnight, if more more mps come around behind these amendments tomorrow , the government may tomorrow, the government may need to move tomorrow night to avoid this defeat of third reading, which real reading, which is a real possibility at some point today. >> chris, the rebels >> now, chris, will the rebels face consequences? liam face any consequences? liam neeson, um, leading the charge , neeson, um, leading the charge, the deputy chairman, of course, of the party, michael gove, earlier said i think he'll earlier on said i think he'll have in football have his job in football parlance, that's normally about you're about to lose your job. do you think the rebels will get in for leading this rebellion? >> if michael gove expressed his full you, you full confidence in you, you can start your spoons, start counting your spoons, as they and brendan they say, and brendan clarke—smith and liam neeson both in with the chief whip at lunchtime , brendan clarke—smith both in with the chief whip at lunchtii12:45, rendan clarke—smith both in with the chief whip at lunchtii12:45, spotted zlarke—smith both in with the chief whip at lunchtii12:45, spotted going-smith both in with the chief whip at lunchtii12:45, spotted going in nith around 12:45, spotted going in by my spies lee anderson at 1:30 on their own. a meeting without coffee. a meeting where you're beginning it's a military terms in terms of meeting where it's not not an easy conversation to have. we're waiting to hear what the most people the result of that most people expect will lose expect that these two will lose their as deputy chairman of their jobs as deputy chairman of their jobs as deputy chairman of the party if they vote these

the party if they vote for these amendments tonight. can't the party if they vote for these ame|againsty tonight. can't the party if they vote for these ame|againsty tongovernment�*n't the party if they vote for these ame|againsty tongovernment on a vote against the government on a whipped and hang on to your whipped vote and hang on to your job. it's not job. of course, it's not a government it's it's government job. it's a it's a party job. we are going into party job. but we are going into an campaign, 5:00 party job. but we are going into an tonight.:ampaign, 5:00 party job. but we are going into an tonight. shortlyin, 5:00 party job. but we are going into an tonight. shortly and 5:00 party job. but we are going into an tonight. shortly and i'lli:00 party job. but we are going into an tonight. shortly and i'll be) pm tonight. shortly and i'll be there outside the meeting. we're seeing a meet, a mass meeting of the rebels, the so—called five families, which danny kruger hates, was calling that. the hates, was calling that. but the five big groups five families, the big groups have the tory mps have to agree on the tory mps and right. they're working and the right. they're working out their strategy. strategy? who's against who's with us? who's against us? they'll march from that meeting through lobbies . it through the voting lobbies. it was brexit all over again. was like brexit all over again. as martin. as you've been saying, martin. >> going >> absolutely. and you're going to covering that for us to be there covering that for us live, them as they go live, grabbing them as they go by.chns live, grabbing them as they go by. chris um, lee anderson and brendan must have known they would be consequences. mps calls for ashfield and bassetlaw , for ashfield and bassetlaw, nottinghamshire massive doing their bit for the red wall. presumably they they would have known that they would be getting rapped on the knuckles or worse. but think that's price but they think that's a price worth paying. >> for them it is, >> well, for them it is, i think, because can see the think, because they can see the value getting a rwanda value of getting a rwanda bill that . they thousands that works. they want thousands of people illegally arrive,

boats, boat migrants to fly, to be flown back, deported to rwanda. you heard, didn't you? in that interview with suella braverman, with gb news last week, she told me there that she wants to be taken wants big numbers to be taken off. symbolic figures, off. not not symbolic figures, numbers may, but big numbers. numbers by may, but big numbers. and they're trying and that's what they're trying to see that their to do. they can see that their political careers almost hang on that know, was in that because, you know, i was in accrington stanley football club with the pm monday , and he with the pm last monday, and he got a big round of applause when he the boats. he said, i'll stop the boats. he knows of he told knows the value of it. he told us in leigh on sea us as much in leigh on sea yesterday gb news. the point yesterday on gb news. the point is just it isn't enough. is just saying it isn't enough. they see he's they want to see what he's saying . they'll overrule saying. they'll overrule these pyjama in pyjama junctions in writing, in terms in by supporting amendments or offering up their own amendments tweak this own amendments to tweak this legislation and the rebels appear the mood of the appear to have the mood of the pubuc appear to have the mood of the public them. public behind them. >> out today saying the >> a poll out today saying the highest proportion of people , highest proportion of people, 42, back the immediate 42, back that the immediate return of illegal immigrants over the channel, and there's a huge national disparity on that. and of course, in places like ashfield and in places like, um,

bassett law, the huge parts of red bull , no bassett law, the huge parts of red bull, no doubt in accrington, the public mood is even higher. so even though there will be an element of self—sacrifice by these rebels, they know what their constituents this they know what their consti'them this they know what their consti'them trying this they know what their consti'them trying to this they know what their consti'them trying to save their about them trying to save their own hides? >> party has always >> the tory party has always been a coalition of interests . been a coalition of interests. those south less bothered those in the south less bothered about immigration, more concerned may be benefited. concerned they may be benefited. people in the south from people living in the south from cheaper and that kind of cheaper labour and that kind of thing. whereas in the north there's a competition maybe for school places, surgeries, school places, gp surgeries, dental, , uh, appointments. dental, um, uh, appointments. that kind of thing. and they can see the pressure it puts on them . also it acts to depress . and also it acts to depress wages that's why i wages as well. so that's why i think understood some think it's understood by some mps representing some more working class areas of the country than others. >> you think danny kruger country than others. >> like you think danny kruger country than others. >> like you name danny kruger country than others. >> like you name the|y kruger country than others. >> like you name the five jger doesn't like the name the five families? thought it families? i've always thought it sounds dodgy sounds like a sort of dodgy italian restaurant something. italian restaurant or something. is reason think is it that reason i think i think mark francois likes it. >> he's a chairman of the european research mark european research group. mark gino francois, i should say italian name. um, i think italian middle name. um, i think it adds an area of menace which isn't quite what danny kruger is

like. >> what do you think's going to happen? bluster, happen? there's lots of bluster, and brexit and i keep mentioning brexit because with long because those of us with long teeth in the fang, we teeth long in the fang, we remember, don't we? the march up the again. but remember, don't we? the march up th> it does feel like we're between and back in between mv2 and mv3. back in 2019. readers who don't 2019. for readers who don't remember that that was the meaningful votes one and two, and gradually left with a and gradually you're left with a kind of 28 spartan tory kind of group of 28 spartan tory mps who held out, didn't they, against against the hordes back in so that they in ancient greece. so that they think we are . think that's where we are. you've national you've seen the big national newspapers , the daily mail, newspapers, the daily mail, saying enough , let's saying enough is enough, let's get this passed and move on. but there's a group of these tory mps enough to mps and will it be enough to defeat government if it's defeat the government if it's not, the bill isn't amended not, if the bill isn't amended by they only by tomorrow night, they only need and that's that's as need 2930. and that's that's as many as spartans dealt the many as spartans dealt dealt the blow against theresa may back in 2019. >> and chris quickly talismanic intervention from boris johnson. a few hours ago, backing the rebels . rebels. >> that's right. well no surprise there. he's now not an mp anymore. he's columnist in mp anymore. he's a columnist in the mail. he's a future the daily mail. he's a future presenter on gb news. at some

point in the short time. so yeah , he's trying to he can see the value and importance of controlling, uh , illegal controlling, uh, illegal migration. but don't forget on controlling, uh, illegal migwatch. but don't forget on controlling, uh, illegal migwatch ,but don't forget on controlling, uh, illegal migwatch , net don't forget on controlling, uh, illegal migwatch , net migrationzt on controlling, uh, illegal migwatch , net migration surged. his watch, net migration surged. he's okay about legal migration . he's okay about legal migration. it's the illegal migration he's worried about . worried about. >> and in fact, record numbers of boats arriving illegally when he was the prime minister isn't it to be wise after the it easy to be wise after the event? chris hope's superb and you know, batty have your you know, alex batty have your weetabix. it's going to be a busy afternoon for you. chris. hopeis busy afternoon for you. chris. hope is going to be dashing over there mps for there and grabbing the mps for us. pleasure mate. us. always a pleasure mate. superb work. it's great, isn't it great being the studio? it great being in the studio? fantastic just straight over fantastic you just straight over there. you come there. you grab them, you come back information? back here. you got information? the again. the mps are queuing up again. it's anyway very it's brilliant. anyway very much. thanks chris. always a pleasure. now we'll get labour's take in a few take on rwanda bill in a few minutes. and there's of minutes. and there's plenty of coverage on website gb news coverage on our website gb news dot com. and you've helped to make fastest growing make it the fastest growing national news website in the country. thank much . country. so thank you very much. now stay with me as i break down that rwanda bill rebellion further with labour mp steve

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on the money. liam always a pleasure. a huge amount of data to chew through there. liam you're the man with a plan. can you're the man with a plan. can you talk us through it? >> yeah, lots of data was released by the office for national statistics at 7:00 this morning. a big data dump. and this is all ahead of tomorrow's data on inflation. the inflation number for december, which will be very closely watched , martin, be very closely watched, martin, because it will help to determine min. what the bank of england does with interest rates when it next meets the members of the monetary policy committee. and that next meeting , people are , which lots of people are waiting on the 1st waiting for, is on the 1st of february. so let's have a quick look. now i've got a graphic here. i know you like a graphic. martin and gb news radio listeners can keep their ears peeled. i've got a graphic here with some of the data that came out a out this morning. just a snapshot. we this morning snapshot. we learnt this morning that 6.6% on average that wages rose 6.6% on average between september and november

2023, compared to the same penod 2023, compared to the same period in 2022. that's a pretty chunky rise. it's ahead of inflation, which means what we call real wages. take home pay after inflation is rising , but after inflation is rising, but that wage increase is down from 7.3% during the previous three month period, compared . to 2022. month period, compared. to 2022. unemployed was up unchanged at 4.2, a far cry from the 10% when we were kids, martin. um, so that's still pretty. pretty low historically. but as you just said in your introduction, there , there are still almost a million vacancies in this country 934,000 vacancies across the uk. despite that low unemployment and despite those vacancies , we know that the vacancies, we know that the number of people claiming universal benefit and benefit benefits in general can choose to rise, not least since the covid pandemic, when so many of us were paid to stay at home and

we asked our superb west midlands correspondent jack carson , to test the mood of the carson, to test the mood of the streets of birmingham about that increase in benefit claimants , increase in benefit claimants, making the people that that sit at home and maybe some people would say aren't, aren't actively job seeking. >> yeah , there's a lot of that >> yeah, there's a lot of that about, to be honest with you. >> um, especially , um, kids >> um, especially, um, kids coming out of school. >> i know, for example, the few kids, i said, why don't you get a job at mcdonald's? >> the money's good there or weren't working there, you know, things like that. um, but there's a lot of genuine people i harassing. i think they're harassing. >> who are >> i know a few friends who are quite disabled, and they're quite bad disabled, and they're really stressing and, you know, quite bad disabled, and they're realthemzssing and, you know, quite bad disabled, and they're realthem back| and, you know, quite bad disabled, and they're realthem back to 1d, you know, quite bad disabled, and they're realthem back to work»u know, quite bad disabled, and they're realthem back to work . know, quite bad disabled, and they're realthem back to work . they're get them back to work. they're genuine. work . genuine. they can't work. >> it's quite difficult . >> i think it's quite difficult. um, yeah. you've got people you'll have people that really want to get into work, and then you have people that don't want to but i think to get into work. but i think it's different, it's a really different, difficult what's difficult market because what's happening especially for happening in, um, especially for graduates is what has been happening for my previous experience that you know,

experience is that you know, they're not being getting given a chance because they haven't got experience . got the experience. >> i should try and get out and get a job. basically. that's that's the role we've that's the that's the role we've always worked until we retired. we've out of work. we've never out of work. >> and i know it was a lot eafien >> you could finish one job, one day and straight into a job the next day, but it's nothing like that now. you have to do cvs that now. and you have to do cvs and that. but and everything like that. but there are jobs out there . there are jobs out there. >> yeah. superb. from jack carson . i agree there liam. and carson. i agree there liam. and there's a huge conversation, a national conversation have national conversation to have about , rights and the about benefits, rights and the political for rishi political fallout for rishi sunakis political fallout for rishi sunak is a bit busy today. political fallout for rishi sunak is a bit busy today . we'll sunak is a bit busy today. we'll do another time. liam, do that another time. liam, i want you the wages want to ask you about the wages going up 6.6. everybody likes a bit of brass in their pocket. good news for the punters, but will it be good news for andrew bailey at the bank of england? will it put pressure on interest rates . rates. >> i'll come to that in one second. just, just finally on the benefit on the benefit bill going up and vacancies for now, what we have in this country is

that we have a lot of what economists call in the jargon , economists call in the jargon, geographic mismatch in our labour market, an occupational mismatch . what does all that mismatch. what does all that mean? what's that bloke on the telly talking about? what i'm talking about with geographic mismatch where the jobs mismatch is often where the jobs are. there aren't enough people and where the jobs aren't , there and where the jobs aren't, there are too many people. that's geographic the geographic mismatch and the occupational mismatch is that a lot of those 934,000 odd vacancies , the people who are vacancies, the people who are available to work sometimes don't have the skills to fill them. we've got a dearth of skills in this country. we need more apprenticeships and so on. now you say rightly that wages have gone up 6.6. it's still quite a big number. that's why consumer confidence is rising gradually. that's why retail sales are getting a bit stronger. that's why rishi sunak wants to go long, wants to delay a general election until the back end of next year because real wages are rising, a feel good factor is starting to come down. the track and, crucially ,

down. the track and, crucially, he's hoping the bank of england will cut interest rates once, twice, maybe three times before an election in september. october or november. the trouble is, though, wage rises are still quite high. they're still above inflation and the bank of england, when it meets next on the 1st of february, i don't think they're going to cut interest rates in, uh, in february. probably not in march or april either. the first cut may be in maybe april, probably may in my view, looking at current data . so that's the current data. so that's the scores on the doors. mortgage rates are still coming down in anticipation of those rate cuts. and then there are those geopolitical whizz bangs that you and i have been talking about on this show for a long time. martin, the possibility you could oil or gas you could have an oil or gas price spike because of , you price spike because of, you know, freight tankers not being able through the suez able to get through the suez canal able to get through the suez canal, particularly not being able get and of the able to get in and out of the persian gulf, given aggro between iran and the western world, given that the houthi

rebels backed by iran , keep rebels backed by iran, keep trying to block the suez canal. so look, it's economics , it's so look, it's economics, it's complicated. there's no firm answers. my base case, martin, is that inflation will keep coming down, that when the number comes out tomorrow, it will be something like 3.8 or 3.9% inflation during the year to december, much lower than 11% where it was at the back end of 2022. but still more than double the bank of england's 2% target. so i think we are on a trajectory towards lower inflation, the cost of living crisis, easing and interest rates coming down. but we can't quite be sure. and that's why there's so much political risk for the tories as they try and map out a path to an election in the autumn of this year. >> liam halligan always on the money. superb analysis as ever. thank you very much . now to thank you very much. now to a dramatic day in the post office scandal and a shock admission from the company responsible for the faulty horizon software, and that , of course, the faulty horizon software, and that, of course, is paul

patterson , who's the chief patterson, who's the chief executive of europe for fujitsu services , who says he doesn't services, who says he doesn't know why they didn't act when they knew they were faults in their own system . it's an their own system. it's an astonishing revelation and to discuss that, i'm now joined by our political correspondent in the studio, katherine forster. catherine, how how can somebody who's been brought in to face an inquiry of such a serious magnitude from the company, who's the chief chiefly responsible for this? say they don't know what's going on? yeah it's very convenient, isn't it, that paul patterson, the head of fujitsu in europe since 2019, and nick reed, the current head of the post office, also since 2019? >> and don't seem to know very much at all about what went on with these companies over the last 25 years, since the horizon system was first put into subpostmaster offices back in 1999. let's have a little look at what paul patterson had to

say. shall we? >> i don't know , i really don't >> i don't know, i really don't know. and um, on a personal level , i wish know. and um, on a personal level, i wish i did know , um, level, i wish i did know, um, following my appointment in 2019, i've looked back on those situations for the company and the evidence i've seen and i just don't know what i do know is the inquiry is looking at this very point of who knew what and when and what action they did or did not to take draw attention to the, uh, to the concerns. i just don't know . obe concerns. i just don't know. obe let's remember that scene from fawlty towers where manuel because i know nothing . because i know nothing. >> this guy is a witness at a post office inquiry, and he's saying, i don't know, it's just not good enough . not good enough. >> and in fact, we now know that fujitsu, back in 1999, before the system was first installed, did know that the system was faulty. did know that it was full of bugs, did know that it was a piece of something i can't say. and concerns were raised at

the level to tony the highest level to tony blair's government, but they didn't have better, so didn't have anything better, so they put it in anyway. now alan bates, postmaster , the hero bates, the postmaster, the hero of the hour, if you like , who of the hour, if you like, who went to war effectively with the post office and has been for about two decades sus this in 2000 or thereabouts, when his own system was faulty, and he has been speaking remotely at this meeting of the business select committee today , saying select committee today, saying that he is frustrated and, to put it mildly , and that in terms put it mildly, and that in terms of the compensation claims, a panel was set up, um, over a year ago . he says there's no year ago. he says there's no transparency kc they're bogged down in red tape. and that is this whole thing, isn't it? no no transparency. more and more details emerging . the post details emerging. the post office said for years and years, remote access wasn't possible. we now know that it was . and in we now know that it was. and in fact, they knew that it was. and

yet they continued to prosecute innocent people . all right. up innocent people. all right. up until 2015, it really beggars belief. one one positive thing , belief. one one positive thing, the fujitsu boss today, um , the fujitsu boss today, um, admitting we did have bugs and errors in the system, we did help the post office in their prosecutions saying he's truly sorry. well, i mean, it's easy to say sorry, isn't it? but you can't undo the damage that's been done. but also saying that fujitsu do have a moral obugafion fujitsu do have a moral obligation pay obligation option to pay compensation . now in the short compensation. now in the short terme, the government is going to be picking up the tab estimated about billion. estimated at about £1 billion. that means , effectively, you that means, effectively, you and me, taxpayers for. but it me, the taxpayers for. but it does sound like going forward for jitsu will be prepared to bear some of the cost. bear in mind too, fujitsu multi—million pound corporation still, with many, many government contracts. okay, katherine forster thank you. >> will also cross the inquiry with theo chikomba to get the full update from there and we'll

put all of this to a post office victim, vijay parekh, that's in the next hour. so lots more to come between and 5:00. and come between now and 5:00. and we'll get labour's on the we'll get labour's take on the controversial rwanda plans. more than amendment than 60 tory mps back amendment to the bill. but first, your latest news headlines with polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> the headlines this hour 74 mps are rebelling against the government's rwanda bill in its current form. that discussion ongoing in the house of commons right now and gb news understands 66 tory mps have signed a petition to make amendments in an effort to strengthen it. while eight dup members are planning to vote against it entirely. members are planning to vote against it entirely . mps are against it entirely. mps are currently debating that migration legislation in the commons. rebel mps, fearing the bill as it stands, will overwhelm the courts with appeals from asylum seekers. if it goes through as it is within the last half hour, we've learned the us has targeted four hoofie learned the us has targeted four hootie anti ship missiles in a

fresh strike on yemen. that's according to us officials. this is the latest military action against the iran backed group overits against the iran backed group over its targeting of red sea shipping. earlier, the oil company shell indefinitely suspended all shipments through the red sea . oil prices have the red sea. oil prices have risen by 1% after the governor of the bank of england last week warned attacks in the region could impact prices , and the could impact prices, and the fujitsu boss has been telling mps the post office knew about bugs and errors in the horizon it system . the business and it system. the business and trade committee are hearing from key figures in the post office, including wrongfully convicted. suppose postmaster alan bates. they're looking at the appeal process and are trying to overturn convictions and deliver compensation. the fujitsu boss has apologised, saying his company has a moral obligation to contribute to compensation and more than 300 fujitsu employees have announced they'll take strike action from tomorrow in their dispute over pay . in their dispute over pay. members of the public and commercial services union will walk out in the midlands for a

day, followed by further action next month, the union saying employees have been offered a pay employees have been offered a pay rise of between 3 and 4, which it says is ten times less than their counterparts are paid in japan. those are the top stories. more detail on all of them by heading to our website, gbnews.com . gbnews.com. >> maggie. polly. now let's get more on the governments controversial rwanda bill. been debated. now, as we speak more than mps are than 60 conservative mps are backing amendments to that bill. i'm joined now in our westminster studio by steve mccabe, labour mp for birmingham, selly oak and shadow defence, as i understand now, steve, um , let's talk about the steve, um, let's talk about the rwanda bill 66 rebels and rising . the dup said they're going to vote against it as well. the tories are revolting. are you enjoying the spectacle? well all it is a bit like watching your neighbours having a family feud .

neighbours having a family feud. >> i have to say . >> i have to say. >> um, look, we said from the outset that we didn't think this was a credible policy. it was long in rhetoric and short and detail , and i long in rhetoric and short and detail, and i think actually an awful lot of conservative mps are coming to the same conclusion . conclusion. >> and so it's been debated. the rebels are growing. do you expect, though , pretty much like expect, though, pretty much like we saw with brexit, there'll be a lot of chest puffing. but really they'll go along with it because the alternative will be a confidence . i'd a vote of no confidence. i'd imagine keir starmer and you lot will on will be waiting to pounce on that, that happens . that, if that happens. >> well, there is a lot of huffing and puffing goes on at a time like this. and whether or not these people will stick to it remains to be seen. >> i don't think there's any doubt that it's a policy that it's that's in difficulty. >> and i think the prime minister's own position having apparently been opposed to it when he was chancellor and now advocating it is a problem, a big problem for him. >> but i will be i'm a bit

sceptical that it will translate into quite the rebellion that people are anticipating. >> so limp through once again. yesterday um rishi sunak sat down with gb news. we got an exclusive. he was adamant that keir starmer doesn't have a plan , and if we go with labour at the next election, it's back to square one. on immigration. what's your take on that, steve? well i think the problem tonight is that it's obvious he doesn't have a plan , or at least a have a plan, or at least a significant part of his own party that i, i think party thinks that i, i think it's a mistake to try and make this into such a big political issue. >> there are problems all over the world with waves of refugees and asylum seekers, and requires and asylum seekers, and requires a much better international, um , a much better international, um, set of arrangements. and i think we should be working towards that. okay, a big question on that. okay, a big question on that point is a reciprocal returns agreement with the european union . european union. >> if we if we want to do a deal

with the eu, it will mean steve having to take in as many as 100,000 illegals that across the borders of the 27 member states. is that the kind of thing the labour party want to get involved in? >> well, it would be absolutely no point starting no point in starting a negotiation by saying we're going take in this i going to take in this number. i mean, you were trying to mean, if you were trying to negotiate arrangements with other people, you would have to say them, the starting point say to them, the starting point is a blank of paper and we is a blank sheet of paper and we have to see what is achievable . have to see what is achievable. i'm simply saying that i think if we're looking at this on a global scale, even bigger than just europe, we actually have to come to some rational arrangements. and i think the problem that rishi sunak is running into is that when you try to make an entirely localised policy kc, it falls apart at the first time of testing in brass tax terms. >> steve, the labour party wants to cut immigration, right. you think it's too high as it currently stands ? currently stands? >> want immigration >> well, we want immigration that makes sense for the country. so where are the

immigration to support immigration is going to support the skills deficit, it's the skills deficit, where it's going to help economy. we going to help our economy. we are in favour of that. we don't want unlimited and uncontrolled immigration and we never have . immigration and we never have. >> but we have that at the moment. you know, we have huge numbers of visas for, for low skilled workers coming in with so—called shortages in sectors. we have huge numbers of health sector , nhs workers coming sector, nhs workers coming across and the public consistently say a poll out today , um, they want immigration today, um, they want immigration today, um, they want immigration to come down and down. so what you're saying, what you're advocating there sounds like what . what we've already got. >> because you're >> well, no, because you're actually going to have actually if you're going to have an immigration policy and a control policy , then you have to control policy, then you have to couple it with a skills development strategy , and you development strategy, and you have to couple it with an assessment of the economic and skills needs of the country. at the moment, all that's happening is there is no progress on the issue of the skills deficit and an obsessive focus on short termed measures in terms of

asylum seekers, rather than the broader immigration policy at all. >> how would you stop the boats? well i think the best thing is to try and collapse the market. >> so you have to go after the gangs and you have to find other ways of deterring people from, uh, trying to make that crossing. >> it hasn't worked so far. and everybody says they'll stop the gangs, but nobody's managed to achieve labour achieve it. how could labour possibly nobody's done possibly do it if nobody's done that well my own sense that to date? well my own sense is, i mean , not expert on is, i mean, i'm not an expert on this, own sense is i this, but my own sense is i haven't seen that much publicity about government measures to tackle the gangs. >> i've seen a lot of publicity about government measures to stop the boats, but i actually haven't seen i mean, when was the last time you saw a big prosecution story about a gang being rounded up in smash? >> well, i saw an albanian who was who was prosecute and then just legged it out of the country before he nicked. country before he got nicked. so. think we are chasing so. so i think we are chasing smoke and mirrors all the time. i you, as shadow

i want to ask you, as shadow defence minister, about situation middle do situation in the middle east, do you british bombing you support the british bombing of houthi targets to try and stop their drones attacking our craft other craft in the red craft and other craft in the red sea? we absolutely have to sea? well we absolutely have to protect our naval personnel there and we actually, absolutely have to protect our shipping . shipping. >> uh, and if we don't, we're going to pay a price in every sense . we're going to pay sense. we're going to pay a price in terms of our own personnel and the cost of everything that comes to this country is going to go up. so the targeted exercise that britain took part in was the right thing to do . as keir right thing to do. as keir starmer has made clear. >> and what about the situation in gaza? because it seems to consume the labour party so often . a call for a ceasefire. often. a call for a ceasefire. starmer said that yesterday. but that's not the official uk position . well, i mean , let's position. well, i mean, let's not conflate what's happening in the red sea with gaza. >> i think we've been at pains to say they're not the same

thing, which is are saying it's because it one the other. because it one causes the other. >> qatari prime minister >> the qatari prime minister today thing. today today said the same thing. >> view is we have >> well, our view is we have protecting of the protecting the freedom of the seas and we're protecting our personnel and our shipping . and personnel and our shipping. and we're very clear about that . we're very clear about that. look, everybody wants a un endunng look, everybody wants a un enduring ceasefire in gaza . enduring ceasefire in gaza. everybody wants a rational well, the israelis, they want to wipe out hamas as well. yes, but that doesn't mean they don't. they want to take away the threat of hamas . uh, what we want is hamas. uh, what we want is something that means this will come to an end, not that there will be a, a little pause and then it will all start up again. i mean, we've had that for years upon years. what we've got to try and do is bring the main players together. uh, the main players together. uh, the main players in the middle east are the principal parties, and we've got to try and move on to a peace process that is about a demilitarised gaza and about the potential for the two state

solution that we all believe is the answer. >> okay. steve mckay, thank you very much for joining >> okay. steve mckay, thank you very much forjoining us in the studio. and if you get in and if you're the defence minister, you'll big task ahead of you'll have a big task ahead of you'll have a big task ahead of you on that front. luck to you on that front. good luck to you. you very much you. thank you very much for coming studio. a coming to the studio. always a pleasure. now, children's pleasure. now, the children's word for 2022 was word of the year for 2022 was queen. months climate queen. 12 months on its climate change. does this prove that politics is infiltrating our classrooms? i'm martin dalby on gb news, britain's news channel .

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news . news. >> welcome back . it's 446. >> welcome back. it's 446. you're watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news a 5:00, and have the very latest on the government's crucial rwanda bill. will dozens of tory mps vote against the government and plunge it into a fresh crisis ? now climate change is crisis? now climate change is the children's word of the year, even though it's two words. according to a survey carried out by oxford university, it doesn't get much better as the word war narrowly missed the top spot. and this comes as lizzi collinge, who is also standing to be the mp for the morecambe and lonsdale constituency , and lonsdale constituency, visited a primary school up there to discuss politics with there to discuss politics with the pupil . as they say, current the pupil. as they say, current events often influence children's choices . but is this children's choices. but is this really the case, or are we politicising or even brainwashing our children? well,

joining me now for a feisty debate on this is writer and broadcaster emma wolf and journalist and broadcaster julie cooke. welcome to the show. both of you always a pleasure, julie cooke. can we start with you? why are children saying climate change and war are their favourite words? where are they learning from? where are they learning from? where are they learning this nonsense from? and should it stop ? should it stop? >> well , they're learning it >> well, they're learning it from the adults around them , clearly. >> i mean, when i was a young child aged eight or below, i only heard about things on the 6:00 news, which my dad was watching. the rest of the time. i was learning three and i was learning the three r's and mucking in sandpits, so mucking around in sandpits, so it wasn't really. it isn't the same now for young children. >> think being >> i think they are being politicised and i think they're learning things too soon. learning things far too soon. >> it's very well sending >> it's all very well sending councillors discuss councillors in to discuss politics and get them interested. young. yeah, that's a you know, a great idea. but you know, ultimately need ultimately these children need to the three r's to be focusing on the three r's reading, writing and arithmetic. and i think it's quite frightening climate change and i think it's quite fritheir|ing climate change and i think it's quite fritheir word climate change and i think it's quite fritheir word of climate change and i think it's quite

fritheir word of the nate change and i think it's quite fritheir word of the year. :hange is their word of the year. >> emma, we should keep politics out classroom. what's out of the classroom. what's your take? >> well, normally, martin, you know me. i'd say let children be. >> children don't politicise our children . certainly, you know. children. certainly, you know. and stop with the kind of climate change. indoctrinate and all of that kind of woke nonsense . but actually, i think nonsense. but actually, i think sending council leaders into the classroom is a really good idea. >> we have shocking levels of kind of political ignorance and political apathy in this country. >> children love ideas. they love learning to how debate. they love exploring the world and finding out about things. so i actually think sending, you know, and know, councillors and politicians into the classroom is a good idea, even for young kids. but when it comes to things like, um, climate change, indoctrination and trying to get them, you know, trying to get them, you know, trying to get them talking about war and things, trying to get them to take sides. no, i'd say absolutely not. i wish their word of the year play or word of the year was play or imagination or dinosaurs or or fairies or, you know , childhood

fairies or, you know, childhood things rather than climate change. >> yeah, but the danger there . i >> yeah, but the danger there. i put this to you, julia. the word of the year next time might be, oh, jeremy corbyn, because the politician in question, lizzie collins, is a corbyn easter. she was teaching 7 to 10 year olds about high taxation, wealth limits , owning second homes and limits, owning second homes and giving 16 year olds the right to vote. julie kirk i put it to you again. if we're going to teach politics to children in school, we need some balance. >> oh gosh. yes, i read about this and thought, well, what? at 7 10 years old, you really 7 to 10 years old, you really need to be learning about second homes and levels of homes and high levels of taxation at 10. you know, taxation at 7 to 10. you know, i think it's a lot of putting a lot of adulting onto these young children well. so as you children as well. um, so as you say, should balance. say, there should be balance. if we're councillor we're sending one councillor in, we're sending one councillor in, we sending of the we should be sending all of the councillors to have a kind of councillors in to have a kind of almost panel debate, which is even absurd, i know, for even more absurd, i know, for 7 to year olds, you know, to 10 year olds, but you know, let's not, you know, let's, let's not, you know, let's, let's honest, we need all let's be honest, we need all sides of the debate. i think

sides of the debate. but i think the war and climate the idea of war and climate change, these terrifying, the idea of war and climate changconceptsese terrifying, the idea of war and climate changconcepts are terrifying, the idea of war and climate changconcepts are going ng,these huge concepts are going in these people's at these people's brains at night. these poor sleep poor children are going to sleep worrying massive worrying about these massive concerns. think it is concerns. and i think it is going affect childhood. going to affect their childhood. >> quickly , isn't >> so emma, very quickly, isn't that the problem? if we're going to politics, there needs to teach politics, there needs to teach politics, there needs to be balanced. there no to be balanced. there is no balance. keep politics balance. just keep politics out of but don't need to >> but you don't need to politicise martin. politicise them, martin. >> don't to politicise them. >> you can tell them about voting and how works and voting and how that works and how the parliament runs, and how democracy works. >> can talk to them about >> you can talk to them about ideas to them ideas and you can talk to them about world that they live about the world that they live in. do engage that in. children do engage with that kind of thing. >> as as seven, even >> from as young as seven, even younger. need younger. you don't need to politicise and start politicise them and start telling know, about telling them, you know, about genden telling them, you know, about gender, ideology or, you know, the climate change, the kind of greta thunberg stuff. there are ways of just explaining to them how the world is run. what i'm what i'm so depressed is what i'm so depressed about is the fact that most of the population couldn't tell you who's you know, who's in the shadow cabinet. >> probably couldn't tell >> they probably couldn't tell you the the cabinet. you who's in the in the cabinet. >> there a level of

>> so there is a real level of political apathy this country. >> people need to get >> i think people need to get engaged and that can start quite young. >> okay. we have to leave it there. emma woolf and julie cook, thank you for joining there. emma woolf and julie cook, thank you forjoining us cook, thank you for joining us on debate. keep politics cook, thank you for joining us on of debate. keep politics cook, thank you for joining us on of de classroom. politics cook, thank you for joining us on of de classroom. now cs cook, thank you for joining us on of declassroom. now moving out of the classroom. now moving on.the out of the classroom. now moving on. the archbishop of canterbury , welby. him again , justin welby. yes, him again is facing calls to resign after he allegedly supported ex post office boss shamed paula vennells to be the bishop of london. vennells was shortlisted as a candidate for the prestigious role within the church in 2017, and the former post office chief handed back her cbe , of course, last week as her cbe, of course, last week as the horizon scandal intensify . the horizon scandal intensify. aside, what joining me now to discuss this is former chaplain to queen elizabeth ii, doctor gavin ashenden. gavin, welcome to the show. always a pleasure . to the show. always a pleasure. we're talking again about justin welby. and again, it seems like his his judgement was flawed . his his judgement was flawed. >> yes . i'm his his judgement was flawed. >> yes. i'm very sorry about this, but you're quite right. um, every so often there's a matter of public interest, and

the archbishop appears to take a position that is very hard to justify in terms of the nature of his office, and often falls a long way short of what's required of a of a public statesman. i think one of the problems here is that the that it's hugely embarrassing for all christians, let alone the archbishop, that this woman who presided over one of the greatest scandals of injustice in my lifetime was an ordained clergy woman. i mean , let alone clergy woman. i mean, let alone that he was short listed to be to have one of the senior positions in the church of england. she shouldn't have been ordained . um, and the fact that ordained. um, and the fact that she has a, uh, the fact that she hasn't resigned her orders or made some kind of public apology or some of public or shown some form of public recognition about the immense seriousness of this is, um, dreadful scandal is a shame and embarrassment to her and to the archbishop, who seems so keen to back her and isn't the point, doctor ashenden, is that it was well known about the horizon scandal at the time, and yet

welby went ahead and recommended her quickly. >> if we could . >> if we could. >> if we could. >> well, yes. >> well, yes. >> i mean, what was also well known was that paula vennells apparently was under underwhelming intellectually. >> she her reputation at >> i mean, she her reputation at work wasn't very good. i don't think we can ask the archbishop to resign over something that never happened. but what we can do is to recognise that cumulatively, lack of cumulatively, his lack of judgement and his lack of moral sensibility really makes him unfit continue . perhaps he unfit to continue. perhaps he should position . should consider his position. >> okay, doctor gavin ashenden, former chaplain to queen elizabeth the second. what a magnificent role that must have been.thank magnificent role that must have been. thank you very much for joining us on gb news. it's always a pleasure. now, at least 66 tory mps signed 66 tory mps have signed amendments to the controversial rwanda bill and that's the debated as we speak , live in debated as we speak, live in parliament, right now is rishi sunak on course for an embarrassing and hugely significant defeat in the house of commons? chris hope , our of commons? chris hope, our political editor, will be there live , grabbing mps as they go to live, grabbing mps as they go to a huge meeting which takes place

in about five minutes, is this heading towards a no vote ? heading towards a no vote? confidence in this government calamity ahead? we'll have it all in the next hour. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar , the sponsors of whether solar, the sponsors of whether on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hello again. i'm alex burkill and here's your latest gb news, weather forecast . whilst there weather forecast. whilst there is some wetter, windier and milder weather to come this weekend, for time it weekend, for the time being it is staying cold and with that there's some significant snow around. quite heavy around. we've seen quite heavy snow across many northern areas today of a feature today because of a feature that's its eastwards that's pushing its way eastwards , brought disruption , that's brought some disruption to northern ireland, to parts of northern ireland, northern and much of northern england and much of scotland much of scotland too. however, much of the rain, sleet or snow is going to clear its towards the to clear its way towards the east. of it though feeding east. some of it though feeding a bit further southwards, so overnight, could see some outbreaks snow outbreaks of sleet and snow affecting parts wales and affecting parts of wales and into midlands. two to the into the midlands. two to the north this, clearer north of this, some clearer skies temperatures skies, so temperatures will really plummet , could get into

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gb news. >> good afternoon. it's 5 pm. and welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news broadcasting live from the heart of westminster. all all across the uk . now of westminster. all all across the uk. now it's a of westminster. all all across the uk . now it's a dramatic day the uk. now it's a dramatic day in the house of commons, where the rwanda plan is being debated. as we speak , and we can debated. as we speak, and we can exclusively reveal on gb news that eight dup mps will vote

against the bill tomorrow. the best analysis and reaction is on the way very shortly. next after a senior fujitsu official said he doesn't know why they didn't act when they knew they were false and their own computer system. i get reaction from a subpostmaster who was jailed and drivers are being warned of potential petrol price hikes in the coming weeks, but there could be a fantastic bit of news for motorists. at long last, that's on the way. between now and 6:00. thank you forjoining and 6:00. thank you for joining me on the show, and i want to hear from you as usual. please email me the usual ways gb views at gbnews.com. do you think rishi will get a humiliating defeat? will the rebels have any teeth they again teeth or will they once again puff their chests and back puff up their chests and back down like they did over brexit? have you got any faith that single flights rwanda is

single flights for rwanda is going to leave this country before the next general election? let know your election? let me know your thoughts. but right now it's time news time for your latest news headunes time for your latest news headlines polly middlehurst i >> -- >> martin, thank you and good afternoon to you. well, 74 mps are rebelling against the government's rwanda bill in its current form today. that discussion ongoing in the house of commons right now. and gb news understands 66 tory mps have now signed a petition to make amendments in an effort to, they say, strengthen the bill. while eight dup members are planning to vote against it entirely . the tory rebels entirely. the tory rebels leader, danny kruger , has been leader, danny kruger, has been holding talks with several mps from the conservative right, lee anderson and brendan clarke—smith, among those who are backing moves to toughen up the bill. rebel mps, fearing the bill as it stands, may overwhelm the courts with appeals from asylum seekers. danny kruger told gb news dup support is

therefore invaluable . therefore invaluable. >> we've had conversations with the dup naturally enough they will make their own decision and let's see how i think they're meeting later today as well. but if if that's what if that's if that's what happens, i'd be very pleased to hear it. and that means, hear it. and and that means, you know, in theory we've got, we've got over 60 conservative colleagues committing got over 60 conservative co they ues committing got over 60 conservative co they ues the committing got over 60 conservative co they ues the amendments.i or they sign the amendments. let's follow let's hope they all follow through vote for through and actually vote for the this evening. i'm the amendments this evening. i'm hopeful of them will. hopeful that most of them will. with the dup. makes with the dup. that makes a significant number of colleagues with the dup. that makes a signithink number of colleagues with the dup. that makes a signithink that|ber of colleagues with the dup. that makes a signithink that the of colleagues with the dup. that makes a signithink that the billolleagues with the dup. that makes a signithink that the bill should es who think that the bill should be and i hope that be strengthened, and i hope that the government will listen. >> meanwhile, the former immigration minister robert jenrick , told the commons that jenrick, told the commons that amendments rwanda bill amendments to the rwanda bill are chance to get the are the last chance to get the policy right . policy right. >> the revealed preference of the judiciary is to be generous towards illegal migrants. it is towards illegal migrants. it is to make this scheme difficult to operationalise and as this is the last legal opportunity or legislative opportunity for to us tackle this issue, i suggest we get it right and we narrow the opportunities for the

judiciary to intervene or else we're going to find that these flights are symbolic flights with very few individuals on them at all. >> robert jenrick speaking there. well, another news today . there. well, another news today. the united states has targeted four houthi anti—ship missiles in a fresh strike on yemen. that's according to us officials in the last hour. that's the latest military action against the iran backed group over its targeting of red sheep commercial shipping. earlier the oil company shell indefinitely suspended all shipments through the red sea. oil prices have risen by 1% as well, and that's after the governor of the bank of england last week warned attacks in the region could impact prices . now in the post impact prices. now in the post office scandal, impact prices. now in the post office scandal , the fujitsu boss office scandal, the fujitsu boss has told mps the post office knew about the bugs and errors in the horizon it system. the business and trade committee has been hearing today from key figures involved in the post office scandal, including the

wrongfully convicted subpostmaster alan bates, the fujitsu boss has apologised and said his company had a moral obugafion said his company had a moral obligation to contribute towards compensating victims. meanwhile, the former postmaster, alan bates, blamed red tape for compensation delays . compensation delays. >> and i mean, there is no reason at all why full financial redress shouldn't have been delivered by now. it's gone on for far too long. people are suffering. they've been there , suffering. they've been there, dying. we're losing numbers along the way. and it's just seems to be tied up in bureaucrat kc . meanwhile more bureaucrat kc. meanwhile more than 300 fujitsu employees in the west midlands have announced they'll be striking from tomorrow in their pay dispute. >> members of the pcs union will walk out for the day, followed by further action next month , by further action next month, the union saying employees have been offered a pay rise of between three and 4, which they say is ten times less than their counterparts in japan . now there

counterparts in japan. now there are further signs that the jobs market is cooling off as wage growth slows. new figures from the office for national statistics found that the uk's average weekly wage growth eased to 6.6% in recent months to november. that's the lowest rate since january last year. it means pay packets grew faster than the rate of price rises . than the rate of price rises. work and pensions secretary mel stride says the government's plan, though, is working now. a people smuggler has been jailed for trying to bring a migrant into the uk by cramming her into the dashboard of his car. if you're watching on tv , take you're watching on tv, take a look at this extraordinary shot of a vietnamese woman wedged inside a tiny , custom built inside a tiny, custom built hideaway behind a glove box, border force officers searching the vehicle after noticing the carpet on the passenger side seemed slightly out of place . 33 seemed slightly out of place. 33 year old joseph balog, from slovakia, was sentenced to two

and a half years in prison for assisting unlawful immigration at canterbury crown court , parts at canterbury crown court, parts of the uk facing another day of cold temperatures tonight after lows dropped below freezing, the met office saying a cold plunge of arctic air has moved south across the whole country over the last few days, making it 5 to 6 degrees lower than usual for this time of year. a lot of snow everywhere as well. the met office has issued yellow warnings for snow and ice covering northern areas of england , parts of wales and all england, parts of wales and all of scotland, and that remains in place until midnight. it's one warned, rather of further snow showers, power cuts and even possible delays to transport short with gb news across the uk . on tv in your car on digital radio and on your smart speaker. this is britain's news channel . this is britain's news channel. thank. this is britain's news channel. thank . you polly, great server.

thank. you polly, great server. >> just when you thought you've heard it all. an illegal immigrant in your glove box. you couldn't make it up. okay, there really only one place to really is only one place to start this hour. and that's start in this hour. and that's the controversial rwanda bill that break rishi that could make or break rishi sunak's premiership . we can show sunak's premiership. we can show you viewers live now. pictures from the house of commons as we speak. from the house of commons as we speak . and that's being debated speak. and that's being debated all through the day all the way through the day ahead that crucial vote. of ahead of that crucial vote. of course, . and course, tomorrow evening. and with dozens of tory mps opposing the bill in its present form, gb news can reveal exclusively that eight dup mps will vote against the government tomorrow, adding there are numbers to a growing tally of tory rebels 66 and counting. and i'm joined now by gb news political editor christopher hope, who is in west minster hall in the heat of the action. at the heart of it, chris, what's the latest on this dramatic day in parliament? >> well, martin, you'll know more that more very soon than we thought because we think the votes are now at 5:30 pm.

dunng votes are now at 5:30 pm. during your show, not at 7 pm, as we had thought. it seems the mps have got have got to move on. got a wiggle on and spoken more quickly than we thought. so we'll more idea and we'll have some more idea and what viewers should look out for is are supporting these is how many are supporting these amendments. put down by sir bill cash and robert jenrick , because cash and robert jenrick, because that give a feeling of how that will give a feeling of how many might vote tomorrow . and many might vote tomorrow. and it's all about tomorrow. this the momentum from the vote, these overnight to these votes overnight going to tomorrow, voting tomorrow tomorrow, more voting tomorrow and crucial third reading, and the crucial third reading, probably unelect bill probably on the unelect bill will tomorrow night . only will be tomorrow night. only 2830 tory mps needed to bring the whole thing down, crashing down around the prime minister and starting a crisis in his government. but one mp from the red seat , who is not voting red wall seat, who is not voting for amendment is voting for the amendment and is voting with government , for the amendment and is voting with government, james with the government, is james daly the mp for bury north, daly mp, the mp for bury north, the marginal tory mp in the the most marginal tory mp in the country who got a majority of just 105 back in 2019, and james daly joins me now. james why are you voting for the rwanda bill when your colleagues think it

won't work ? won't work? >> well, that's their opinion. >> well, that's their opinion. >> opinion is completely >> my opinion is completely different. will work. different. i think it will work. i robust piece of i think it's a robust piece of legislation . i'm grateful legislation. i'm grateful and thankful. a prime thankful. we've got a prime minister who wants to put legislation parliament legislation through parliament that to address many of that is going to address many of the of constituents the concerns of my constituents and this will do it. but why? >> because your colleagues, you know them all, don't you, lee anderson brendan anderson and others, brendan clarke—smith and other other colleagues of yours, good colleagues of yours, good colleagues what they're colleagues who know what they're talking they tell us colleagues who know what they're tawon't they tell us colleagues who know what they're tawon't work. they tell us colleagues who know what they're tawon't work. and they tell us colleagues who know what they're tawon't work. and youy tell us colleagues who know what they're tawon't work. and you do ll us it won't work. and you do represent what i can turn a red wall seat. we are told the red wall seat. we are told the red wall wants tough measures on immigration. they're trying to toughen up this legislation . toughen up this legislation. >> um, i'm a lawyer. >> i have for four years, i've been a member the justice been a member of the justice select parliament. select committee in parliament. >> i'm member of the home >> i'm a member of the home affairs committee parliament. >> actually been the >> i've actually been to the beaches the affairs beaches with the home affairs select speak to the select committee to speak to the people coming with people who are coming over with lee lee anderson. people who are coming over with lee is lee anderson. people who are coming over with lee is very lee anderson. people who are coming over with lee is very good lee anderson. people who are coming over with lee is very good friend nderson. people who are coming over with lee is very good friend ofzrson. lee is a very good friend of mine this. disagree, mine on this. we disagree, but it quite that it is quite clear that a deterrent policy is required. and sometimes in this debate we talk lots of things. talk about lots of things. but

this the this is a deterrent. and the only evidence, chris, only piece of evidence, chris, that ever quoted in the that has been ever quoted in the house of commons was by my colleague simon and was colleague simon fell, and i was with he the with him when he had the conversation. when it became clear that the british government were about to put in in the rwanda policy, in place the rwanda policy, there was rush of people at there was a rush of people at there was a rush of people at the french coast and the french officials told us that was because they wanted to get across britain before this across to britain before this policy because is policy came in, because it is a deterrent. the idea behind it is to people coming here and to stop people coming here and that's what it will achieve. and as i say, many of my friends and colleagues appear to be taking a different view to me, but they have not produced any evidence to whatsoever that this bill to me whatsoever that this bill is work. so what's is not going to work. so what's going then? going on then? >> you think the bill has >> do you think the bill has been want been hijacked by people who want a of pure model of a kind of pure model of sovereignty ignoring sovereignty and ignoring something just work? something which might just work? >> prefer at it >> i would prefer to look at it as a honourable disagreement with colleagues regarding a policy that we all support . i policy that we all support. i mean, the bizarre thing about this is that actual this is that the actual deterrent, policy as deterrent, a deterrent policy as part of sweep of measures to part of a sweep of measures to counter immigration, is

supported single supported by every single conservative mp. it's, you know , conservative mp. it's, you know, it's bonkers. we it's bonkers. you know, we actually want this this policy in place now . so i in its in place now. so i in its present form, with my legal background and with the experience that i have, i would not be stood here without 105 majority if i didn't think this policy would work. i do think it will work. i think it it suppues will work. i think it it supplies parts the human supplies parts of the human rights the prime rights act, and the prime minister record. know, minister has a record. you know, that these things. minister has a record. you know, that seen these things. minister has a record. you know, that seen reductionse things. minister has a record. you know, that seen reductions in:hings. we've seen reductions in crossings last 12 crossings over the last 12 months. we've seen positive crossings over the last 12 montiforward.e seen positive crossings over the last 12 montiforward.e see this sitive steps forward. and this legislation the trick . legislation will do the trick. >> colleague tom hunt >> well, your colleague tom hunt elected back in elected mp for ipswich back in 2019 daubney show just 2019 on martin daubney show just two hours ago. and he was saying this is not going to work. it's an existential crisis for the tory party. can't tackle tory party. if he can't tackle immigration, don't you risk getting this through? maybe tomorrow passing through tomorrow, passing through the lords, the first flights lords, getting the first flights off by may, but it won't really work and you'll have work properly and you'll have judges the progress judges frustrated the progress of deportations all of the of the deportations all the way. >> i'm not existential crisis. it's we're talking it's nonsense. we're talking about whether a policy that that the government has put forward is going to act as a deterrent

to stop people who are currently on calais from on the beaches in calais from coming here. there is no coming over here. there is no evidence that it not work. evidence that it will not work. none and i may be an old fashioned politician. chris but i to see evidence back i want to see evidence to back what i am actually going to support. the evidence that i see from being and speaking to french seeing what french officials to seeing what the immigration situation is being committees . being on to select committees. tom me, would like to tom and me, i would like to consider tom a friend. i think he's me and him, a he's a good man. me and him, a number of months ago as members of conservatives, of of the new conservatives, one of these families, these alleged five families, which covered, another which we covered, another conversation and conversation about me and him put report front put forward a report in front of the national press to to the national press as to how to as address immigration as to how to address immigration issues. no shrinking issues. so i'm no shrinking violet in respect this. violet in respect of this. i just this will which just think this will work, which in parliament seems in the modern parliament seems to you know, why on to be quite, you know, why on earth would do evidence earth would he do that? evidence based policy by legal background? opinion this will background? my opinion this will work. this will address the concerns. it will act as a deterrent and we will see planes leaving. as the prime minister has . has said. >> you're the new >> so you're in the new conservatives that conservatives group that danny kruger co—chairs with miriam cates was on cates and danny kruger was on gb news earlier, saying can't news earlier, saying he can't support saying that?

news earlier, saying he can't supp0|what saying that? news earlier, saying he can't supp0|what tory saying that? news earlier, saying he can't supp0|what tory mpsting that? news earlier, saying he can't supp0|what tory mps don't hat? news earlier, saying he can't supp0|what tory mps don't speak guess what tory mps don't speak one voice all the time . one voice all the time. >> i'll let you into a secret. we're not a cult, you know what i we are actually i mean? we are actually functioning with functioning individuals with our own know, on own opinions and you know, we on important issues, take important issues, we'll take different we've seen different viewpoints. we've seen it over the years. this is not unusual. healthy unusual. this is a healthy democracy. viewpoint . democracy. i take the viewpoint. the minister has come the prime minister has come forward robust forward with the most robust piece of immigration legislation. country has legislation. this country has ever far it's a ever seen. it's a far it's a great improvement on where we are. it's going to are. i think it's going to answer concerns of the answer the concerns of the right, concerns of my right, the right concerns of my voters throughout voters and voters throughout the country. to country. what is there not to support? is it? come, you support? what is it? come, you know, who you know, the people who you interview. to give us interview. tell them to give us the that this is not the evidence that this is not going a deterrent. going to act as a deterrent. tell them to point to me whereabouts to be whereabouts this is going to be put. people who coming whereabouts this is going to be put.travelling)ple who coming whereabouts this is going to be put.travelling hundreds coming whereabouts this is going to be put.travelling hundreds and oming and travelling hundreds and thousands miles to go to the thousands of miles to go to the french coast, if they know about this potential this and there is the potential for taken and their for them to be taken and their application process in application to process in rwanda, that is going to stop people to french people coming to the french coast. we are minutes away from >> and we are minutes away from the first votes the bill. the first votes on the bill. cash amendment, ignoring human rights laws for illegally arrived would arrived migrants. what would you

be to mps in the voting be saying to mps in the voting and voting lobbies? if you saw be saying to mps in the voting and vwalkingibies? if you saw be saying to mps in the voting and vwalking into? if you saw be saying to mps in the voting and vwalking into the you saw be saying to mps in the voting and vwalking into the t01 saw be saying to mps in the voting and vwalking into the to thew be saying to mps in the voting and vwalking into the to the no them walking into the to the no lobby, the yes lobby lobby, or rather, the yes lobby for the amendment, but against the well, all i can the government? well, all i can say that my point say is that you know, my point of and i hope that of view, and i hope that colleagues listen colleagues will listen to different of view. colleagues will listen to diffbutt of view. colleagues will listen to diffbut i of view. colleagues will listen to diffbut i also of view. colleagues will listen to diffbut i also think iew. colleagues will listen to diffbut i also think there's a >> but i also think there's a i also think there's a different perspective here. and it's not only issue. only just about this issue. i don't to have don't want this country to have the of socialism. if we the scourge of socialism. if we don't unite just in general to fight party, the fight the labour party, the incompetent party who had incompetent labour party who had destroyed and destroyed this country and who destroyed this country and who destroyed of england destroyed the north of england for to to 40 years. the for 20 to 30 to 40 years. the reason i'm here, if we if we reason why i'm here, if we if we allow that to happen in respect to battles within our own party, when a perfectly when we have a perfectly functioning policy, then i think the is going to suffer. the country is going to suffer. and country and what matters is the country and government coming up and this government coming up with mean, with the policies, which i mean, compare open door compare it. chris, open door immigration labour immigration from the labour party. policy party. they've got no policy whatsoever, and whatsoever, you know, and colleagues complaining colleagues are complaining at our is the most our policy, which is the most strident that we've ever had. >> counter >> they would counter that, saying to control saying they do want to control migration. got plans migration. they have got plans to law enforcement to deal with law enforcement bodies on the continent, but they but haven't in

they but they haven't in government yet for 13 or 14 years. but and also they would actually repeal the rwanda bill if they get in power, the miranda gets there. miranda act, if it gets there. >> just >> well, that's just the insanity of their we insanity of their policy. we went to france as part a went to france as part of a cross—party committee. the french authorities are telling us need a deterrent. us you need a deterrent. the germans , the austrians, the germans, the austrians, the danes, that bastion of right wing extremism, the danish government, passed a law government, they passed a law which allows for offshore which which allows for offshore processing like this , the processing like this, the european union are giving . i european union are giving. i think it's turkey billions in respect of offshore processing. you know, the i think it's the un, but other organisations are using rwanda for offshore processing . what is the to not processing. what is the to not support in respect of this. governments are falling our lead and our prime minister is lead judge. >> but lawyers will fight it. individual individual cases of individual reason not to go to rwanda is what the critics say will the problem this legislation. >> well, shock, horror lawyers will represent clients. my god, that must have come as a, you know, a bolt out of the blue to colleagues respect of that. colleagues in respect of that. you know, we are the rule of

law. the within law. and the law within this country something country is something that we should provides the should cherish. it provides the stability which stability upon which our political based do political system is based. i do not want to robust system not want i want to robust system that allows people to appeal in a very restricted set of circumstances. say , a circumstances. as i say, a number of parts of the human rights are, um , taken, are rights act are, um, taken, are taken away, but are are disapply . sorry, chris. yeah. in respect of this. so we are taking some very robust legal steps. but, you know, shock, horror lawyers act for clients. you know, let us hope that is the case. will you bet me a pint of beer that not a single migrant will be flown rwanda before the end flown to rwanda before the end of may? get planes in of may? we will get planes in the air, and we will get migrants having their claims processed. but more importantly , processed. but more importantly, and this is when you'll buy me the beer back, is you'll be able to to me, be to to say to me, you'll be able to tell gb news viewers what a tell the gb news viewers what a deterrent this is. we are seeing reduced numbers at the french coast coming reduced numbers at the french coast there coming reduced numbers at the french coast there behestcoming reduced numbers at the french coast there behest ofning across there at the behest of gangs various other gangs and various other criminals at criminals putting their lives at risk. that's what this is risk. and that's what this is about. now think about this. if you a deterrent that you voted down a deterrent that

could people losing could stop people losing their lives question mark, lives, you know, question mark, isuppose lives, you know, question mark, i suppose the problem is that people are using their fighting. >> are really fighting the >> are they really fighting the brexit 2019? do brexit wars from from 2019? do they as sovereignty they see it as a sovereignty issue? where we are issue? that's where we are i don't know, i mean i mean perhaps they do. >> i can't in. can't get >> i can't get in. i can't get inside heads . i hope inside people's heads. i hope that we issues a on that we judge issues on a on a issue by issue basis and that, that we judge issues on a on a issu know, sue basis and that, that we judge issues on a on a issu know, although and that, that we judge issues on a on a issu know, although i'mi that, that we judge issues on a on a issu know, although i'm talking you know, although i'm talking to, you know, i feel very strongly about this issue. i respect my colleagues. if they have view respect respect my colleagues. if they hait, view respect respect my colleagues. if they hait, but view respect respect my colleagues. if they hait, but we view respect respect my colleagues. if they hait, but we don'taw respect respect my colleagues. if they hait, but we don't talk respect respect my colleagues. if they hait, but we don't talk inespect respect my colleagues. if they hait, but we don't talk in the ct of it, but we don't talk in the conservative party as voice conservative party as one voice because you are because you are perceived the right of perceived to be on the right of the you don't all share the party. you don't all share 100% of everything that people say. get back the say. and so i get back to the point this will work. and not one person has been able to put forward to me to forward any evidence to me to say . say it won't. >> w- w— >> well, james daly, mp for barry north, thank you for joining us tonight on on gb news. and martin, you heard there james daly making it very clear that not everyone agrees with tom hunt in your studio. just hours in fact, with tom hunt in your studio. justeven hours in fact, with tom hunt in your studio. justeven new; in fact, with tom hunt in your studio. justeven new conservativesact, with tom hunt in your studio. justeven new conservatives speak not even new conservatives speak as one voice in watch what will be vote within. well,

be a dramatic vote within. well, with minutes away here in the house of commons. >> superb. there from >> superb. there chris hope from westminster hall. james daly, new conservative barrie north will vote with the bill. tom hunt, new conservative ipswich will not lee anderson brendan clarke—smith both the deputy chairman . they said they will chairman. they said they will not vote for this and they will lose their deputy chairmanships. no doubt as a consequence of that, a dramatic few hours ahead of us, that vote. 530 but before that, earlier in the show , i was that, earlier in the show, i was joined in the studio by labour mp steve mccabe, with more than 60 tory mps backing amendments , 60 tory mps backing amendments, i asked him whether he expected a major revolt of huffing and puffing goes on at a time like this, and whether or not these people will stick to it remains to be seen . to be seen. >> i don't think there's any doubt that it's a policy that it's that's in difficulty. and i think the prime minister's own position having apparently been opposed to it when he was chancellor and now advocates it is a problem, a big problem for

him. but i will be i'm a bit sceptical that it will translate into quite the rebellion that people are anticipating . people are anticipating. >> well, we'll see about that shortly because the vote is due about 530. we'll have the full details , of course, throughout details, of course, throughout the show . you get lots more on the show. you get lots more on that story on our website. and thanks to you, gb news. com is the fastest growing national news website in country. news website in the country. it's breaking news and all it's got breaking news and all the brilliant analysis you've come expect from gb news so come to expect from gb news so thank much. get thank you very much. get clicking now boss at fujitsu , clicking now boss at fujitsu, who has made the extraordinary admission that he doesn't know why they didn't act when they knew they were false in their honzon knew they were false in their horizon posts office system. i want to get a man a reaction from a man who was jailed during that scandal. he'll be joining me in the studio very shortly. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel .

and people that i knew had dewbs & co weeknights from six. >> welcome back. it's 524. you're watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news. now, a reminder that the first vote on one of the amendments to the rwanda bill will take place very shortly . we'll have all the shortly. we'll have all the results on that stick with us. but now to a dramatic day in the post office scandal and a shock admission from the company responsible for the faulty honzon responsible for the faulty horizon software, paul

patterson, who's the chief executive of europe for fujitsu services , says he doesn't know services, says he doesn't know why they didn't act when they knew there were faults in their own system. an astonishing revelation and i'm joined now by vijay parekh , a former vijay parekh, a former subpostmaster who was jailed after being accused of stealing £78,000 after admitting theft. can i thank you for coming into the studio? i've seen you talk on television this week, very moved by your story. would you mind repeating some of the details about what happened to you ? you? >> uh, auditors came in, uh, one morning before i even opened the office up, and they wanted do the audit. wouldn't allow me to go inside the post office or the back office. >> and they come back with saying , uh, you are showing saying, uh, you are showing a loss of about £78,000 and some, um, one of the auditors , when my um, one of the auditors, when my family came in who helped me out

in the post office, said to them that your father's or your husband's going to jail because there's money missing, and that isindeed there's money missing, and that is indeed what happened to you. >> you were sentenced to 18 months and you went to prison through no fault of your own, no fault of my own. >> and , uh , i had to spend >> and, uh, i had to spend really bad times in prison as well. >> and the stress and due to the family conditions and some very, um, moving testimony when you said you you don't know what you've done, you were crying yourself to sleep. >> your family were crying themselves to sleep because of themselves to sleep because of the brutal injustice that was served you . vijay. served upon you. vijay. >> that's correct. because uh, i'm the only one. >> and we've i've been coming family in the same area for 55 years. and then you get living area and you had to move out of that area for after that time being in the papers . being in the papers.

>> what's happened to you and so we had to move out of the area and not knowing what what they're saying about you behind your back, because of course, in the court of public opinion, they have idea that you'd they have no idea that you'd gone an injustice. they have no idea that you'd gor nobody an injustice. they have no idea that you'd gor nobody did.| injustice. they have no idea that you'd gor nobody did. and|stice.what >> nobody did. and then what happened with route towards happened with your route towards some form of recompense and justice to clear your name, vijay, we, uh , asked a barrister vijay, we, uh, asked a barrister to have a look at it. >> then it went to a, uh, ccrc to appeal against my conviction. and ccrc did grant the appeal . and ccrc did grant the appeal. so it went to royal courts of justice with 40 odd other cases. and said that the that day they acquitted us or quashed our convictions . so that was good convictions. so that was good news for all of us. and i wish they'd do the same for the rest of the people who are in the same boat . same boat. >> the inquiry, of course, is ongoing today. astonishing

admissions from fujitsu claiming they didn't really know what was going on. when you when you hear people from fujitsu saying things like that, how does that make you feel? very angry. make you feel? vijay very angry. >> um , but as the committee in >> um, but as the committee in the hearing of the fujitsu chairman or did know that it was happening, it had a fault in the honzon happening, it had a fault in the horizon system and post office knew as well. now if they would have sorted this one out or came up front, back in 2010, a lot of us are major rmt of us are 700 people would not have been prosecuted and we're looking at the thick end. >> they're estimating of £1 billion in compensation. to put this right, have you been compensated so far and if you were, would that make up for what you lost ? what you lost? >> i've not been compensated as of yet, but i've lost quite bit. >> i mean , uh, respect . in the

>> i mean, uh, respect. in the community. that's going to take time to, uh, get back and, uh , time to, uh, get back and, uh, what is money? i've lost 15 years of my life waiting for justice, and hopefully it'll be done at the end . done at the end. >> and how does that make you feel as we approach some form of end game? finally, people being held responsible for their actions . could i put a question actions. could i put a question to you from one of our viewers, adrian, thank you, adrian, for writing in and saying fujitsu and the post office , what they and the post office, what they knowingly did to people like vijay was criminal and those responsible should get a prison sentence for what they put people like you through. >> they should face the same consequences . consequences. >> consequences as we consequences. >> consequences as we all have been through and see how they feel . uh, once they're inside feel. uh, once they're inside for something we've not done , for something we've not done, we've been prosecuted and went to jail. they knew that they've doneit to jail. they knew that they've done it , and to jail. they knew that they've done it, and they to jail. they knew that they've done it , and they still kept done it, and they still kept quiet. so they need to be

prosecuted . all of them. prosecuted. all of them. >> why do you think they kept quiet at the, uh, bonuses they're receiving ? they're receiving? >> uh , otherwise it would, uh, >> uh, otherwise it would, uh, spoil the whole system on the horizon. >> you know, the computer system . where do you go from there ? . where do you go from there? because their shares would go down completely. fujitsu itself, if they did know about back in 2010. >> so you believe they were solely motivated by money, by greed and they gave didn't give a damn about the feelings of your own vijay or indeed any of the other. they none of them, uh, about anything. uh, cared about anything. >> all our postman masters are in the same boat and, uh, if they did, then this would not have have happened at this time. what would you like to say to the boss of fujitsu ? the boss of fujitsu? >> uh , you spoilt our lives >> uh, you spoilt our lives completely . completely. >> all of our lives . might some >> all of our lives. might some have 20 years, some has 15 years. but there's nothing you

can say would put it right . can say would put it right. >> and are you finally feeling as a family because that's the most important thing as a family , are you finally feeling that you are approaching some form of justice and is this a weight off your shoulders and would you like to thank alan bates for the sterling work if it wasn't for alan series that alan bates and the series that they put out this would not have come out this far. >> and i thank alan bates and the first lot who went to court and won the cases . thank you and won the cases. thank you very much . very much. >> and we'll thank, you know, for coming on today and for having the guts to speak out, because it would have been easy to disappear hide to try and disappear and hide after through. after what you've been through. a decent, law abiding, honourable tax paying man became the became the victim in this. and that's completely and utterly unfair and unjust. thank you . pleasure. thank you very you. pleasure. thank you very much . back to you, mate. bye much. back to you, mate. bye bye. cheers oh, okay. there's still lots more to come between

now and 6:00. i get reaction to a good night for donald trump in his bid to become us president again. and these are live pictures now in the house of commons, where mps have been debating the government's controversial rwanda bill, a vote on one of the amendments is due shortly and, of course, would you all of the would bring you all of the updates. but first your updates. but first is your latest news headlines with polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> the top stories this hour mps are indeed to vote on the government's rwanda bill and that vote beginning imminently. we understand 74 mps rebelling against the government's bill in its current form. gb news understands. 686 tory mps signing a petition to make amendments in an effort, they say, to strengthen it , while say, to strengthen it, while eight dup members are planning a vote against it entirely, rebel mps , fearing the bill as it mps, fearing the bill as it stands , will overwhelm courts stands, will overwhelm courts with appeals from asylum seekers. we'll keep you up to date on how that vote goes

throughout rest of the throughout the rest of the evening. news, the us evening. in other news, the us has targeted houthi has targeted for houthi anti—ship missiles in a fresh strike on yemen. that's according to us officials. it's the latest military action against the iran backed group overits against the iran backed group over its targeting of red shield commercial shipping. earlier, oil company shell indefinitely suspended all shipments through the red sea. oil prices have gone up by 1% a day. that's after the governor of the bank of england last week warned attacks could see prices rise . attacks could see prices rise. and as you've been hearing, the fujitsu boss has told mps the post office knew about the bugs and errors in the horizon it system . the business and trade system. the business and trade committee are hearing from key figures involved in the post office scandal, including the wrongfully convicted subpostmaster alan bates, the fujitsu boss has apologised and said his company has a moral obugafion said his company has a moral obligation to contribute towards compensating those victims . compensating those victims. former postmaster alan bates blames red tape for compensation delays and more than 300 fujitsu employees in the west midlands

have announced they'll take strike action from tomorrow in their pay dispute . members of their pay dispute. members of their pay dispute. members of the public and commercial services union walking out for the day , followed by further the day, followed by further action next month . they're action next month. they're saying been offered saying they've been offered a pay saying they've been offered a pay rise of between 3 and 4, which is ten times lower than their counterparts in japan. those are the headlines. more detail on all those stories by heading to our website , heading to our website, gbnews.com . for a valuable gbnews.com. for a valuable legacy your family can own . legacy your family can own. >> gold coins will always shine bright. >> rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report quick snapshot of today's markets for you in the pound . markets for you in the pound. >> buying you $1.2638 and ,1.1630. the price of gold is £1,604.6o ,1.1630. the price of gold is £1,604.60 an and the ftse £1,604.60 an ounce, and the ftse 100 has closed for the day today at 7558 points. rosalind gold

proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . financial report. >> thank you paul, i don't know if you just saw that interview we did with with um, vijay parekh, um, a postmaster who was sentenced 18 prison. sentenced to 18 months prison. um for being accused of stealing £78,000. incredibly moving interview. now you get to meet some amazing people in this job, and got quite and it's really got me quite choked. and done the same choked. and it's done the same to you at home, too. people are saying, um, vijay should be given £1 million immediately in recompense post office recompense for the post office and fujitsu have done to him. you know, sat here a moment and fujitsu have done to him. you saying sat here a moment and fujitsu have done to him. you saying howit here a moment and fujitsu have done to him. you saying how justre a moment and fujitsu have done to him. you saying how just destroyed�*nt ago saying how just destroyed his the, the public his life and how the, the public believed that what happened to him was true when it wasn't. and when we see people facing these inquiries on days like today and they simply say they simply don't remember , they need to don't remember, they need to look people like him in the eye and tell him that it's a complete injustice. been complete injustice. what's been done. finally we're seeing

done. and finally we're seeing that turned around. okay, my favourite part of the show now once again , you know what it is. once again, you know what it is. i'm joined by michelle michelle dewberry dewbs& co. of course, 6 or jews. what's your menu ? or 7 jews. what's on your menu? >> well, firstly, i've got to say share your kind of say i share your kind of emotions when comes to emotions there when it comes to this postmaster this whole postmaster conversation, an it is absolutely , isn't absolutely devastating, isn't it, when sit and consider it, when you sit and consider the gas lighting as well, you must thinking you're must sit there thinking you're going absolutely mad. what's going absolutely mad. um, what's gone on? it's not me. i'm not a thief. so who is the thief, then? and then you start kind of looking at everyone, don't you? then? and then you start kind of lo

fact, that are going to be impacting on public services. i can tell you now, right when i show you one of the items that a council has bought, it will make your eyes water. i can tell you now it is scandalous if you ask me. so i want to get into all of that and more. i've got quentin letts joining me as well. is letts joining me as well. he is a guy no matter what goes a guy that no matter what goes on in parliament, he always manages smile and manages to bring a smile and i like we need that these like that we need that these days, don't we? like that we need that these daysuperb. we? like that we need that these daysuperb. dewbs & co always >> superb. dewbs& co always a pleasure. six till seven. something to tuck into with your tea. fantastic show coming up. dewbs& co six. still seven. thank you very much. now moving on. former president donald trump swept to victory last night in the iowa caucus , night in the iowa caucus, blowing his rivals out of the water and winning in all but one of the states 99 counties. florida governor ron desantis came second, a distant second. it must be said, with former un ambassador nikki haley third. but with trump so far ahead , is but with trump so far ahead, is there now any for hope any of

his rivals as well? joining me now to discuss this is bob mulholland , who is a member of mulholland, who is a member of the democratic national committee for california. bob thanks for joining us committee for california. bob thanks forjoining us on the thanks for joining us on the show. always a pleasure. a dramatic day in british politics, a dramatic day in american politics. it seemed trump is back and he's unstoppable as the republican choice for candidate . yes. well choice for candidate. yes. well i think, uh, trump getting caught with another teenage girl, he'll be the nominee of the republican party. >> however , uh, haley nikki >> however, uh, haley nikki haley could ultimately win new hampshire next tuesday, and i'll be in new hampshire. uh, the last days, i think, um, new last four days, i think, um, new hampshire is different than, uh, i awa and trump knows that he's going to beating up nikki going to be beating up nikki haley next 4 or 5 days haley over the next 4 or 5 days pretty badly. >> but it has to said , >> but it has to be said, though, was a landslide though, bob, it was a landslide for trump last night. nobody could lay a glove on him in iowa. and nigel farage, our man is out there and it seems there's no stopping, um, donald

trump. and it looks we're heading for a straight rematch of last time biden versus trump. the big question is if that happens, the pundits seems to be back in trump again. happens, the pundits seems to be back in trump again . well well, back in trump again. well well, uh, november of 2024. >> later this year, we'll have about 160 million americans voting . and, um, ultimately , the voting. and, um, ultimately, the women in america, including in suburbs, in some of the key states, will decide , hey, states, will decide, hey, i don't like either one of them, but i'd rather go with biden because at least he's going to allow my daughter to have choice on abortion and other reproductive rights. trump, reproductive rights. and trump, as nikki haley says, has too much chaos, too many lawsuits, too many judges going after him and, uh, he's such a liar. but um, uh, there's a part of american people that wish trump to be back because they like him. they think of him as a 19505. him. they think of him as a 1950s. they see the democratic party, as in the 21st century, with diversity and all kinds of opportunities for immigrants and

other things. and that's a struggle for democrats . struggle for democrats. >> yeah, it is. and another struggle for democrats is uncontrolled immigration. an 8 million, i believe , have come million, i believe, have come over the us southern border since biden was in control. biden was even echoing donald trump's idea of building the wall in britain. we're having a huge debate in parliament right now about immigration. you will have a huge one in america. two, how big a debate do you think that's going to be, and how much do you think that will play into donald trump's policies? >> i was advising >> well, if i was advising biden, i'd say shut the border down. it's an issue all around the world involved too in many wars. afghanistan, iraq was just drives millions of people and, um, um, it's got to be stopped andifs um, um, it's got to be stopped and it's got to be handled. humanity you know, it's interesting in iowa, very few people like, uh , people voted. it's like, uh, piccadilly line on, uh, during rush hour, only having one station passengers on it. only 6% of the 1.7 million iowans who normally vote in the presidential general participate . uh, last night. but

interesting about iowa is they have a lot of meatpacking plants. well, guess who works at those meatpacking plants ? over those meatpacking plants? over half of them are immigrants. some here legally. some of them not here legally. if they ever got rid of all those immigrants, the meatpacking plants in the iowa economy would collapse. but that's politics, and we'll deal with it. >> what about these walls in foreign countries ? a lot of foreign countries? a lot of people saying that global peace was much more a likelihood . when was much more a likelihood. when donald trump was in power. there were walls then, because his were no walls then, because his unpredict ability were no walls then, because his unpredictability him unpredictability made him something that foreign tyrants might . but at the moment, might fear. but at the moment, it seems like the us has been dragged yet another dragged into yet another war in the well as a the middle east. well as a vietnam vet, i'm one of those people that wish we'd stay out of all these wars. >> even in ukraine. i wish >> like even in ukraine. i wish europe would handle that. but remember trump ran, remember in 2016 when trump ran, he american he'd he told the american voters he'd stop afghanistan in a week stop the afghanistan in a week or four later, he left or so. four years later, he left office and he signed an agreement with the, uh , taliban agreement with the, uh, taliban that would leave . the that they would leave. the americans leave in may of americans would leave in may of 2021, trump failed in that. and

today trump says, oh, it ended the ukraine war in one day. this this guy is a circus guy. and a lot of people believe that. yeah, wars are terrible. americans out americans should stay out of them tired listening them. and i'm tired of listening to all the trouble around the world. i mean, i'll to world. i mean, i'll just try to represent the voters of america. >> and bob , one question that we >> and bob, one question that we ask a lot in the uk and indeed even more so in america, is, is joe biden do you think mentally fit to stand as president again ? fit to stand as president again? >> yeah, more so than trump. what the press doesn't focus on much is all trump's mistakes. i mean, he mixed up. he said he beat, um, jeb. jeb bush or that bush was responsible for this and trump was uh, was something else. he kind of trump just goes makes up things. i mean, remember when he walked down at the academy graduation , one of the academy graduation, one of the academy graduation, one of the military academies, he walked cautiously . uh, i walked very cautiously. uh, i think ultimately the voters will say, well, both of them are older than i like a president. you know, this is not john kennedy's days , but ultimately, kennedy's days, but ultimately, do i want my daughter to be put

in prison? who was who has to have an abortion because her life is at risk? no and they'll vote for biden . vote for biden. >> okay. bob mulholland , a >> okay. bob mulholland, a member of the democratic national committee for california, thank you for joining us on gb news. it's going to be the greatest political on earth, political show on earth, november the 5th this year. what a fireworks night that is going to be talking of fireworks, mps are voting right now on the first amendment to that rwanda bill. this is the best place for coverage of this huge story on gb news. i'm martin daubney on gb news. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel

p.m. only on gb news, the people's channel, britain's news channel. >> welcome back. it's 546. you're watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news. let's get straight now to gb news political editor chris hope. chris, what can you tell us about this rwanda vote members are voting right now on an snp amendment, the first one which will require the government to say whether rwanda was a safe country annually . country annually. >> we obviously every 12 months. theidea >> we obviously every 12 months. the idea being that it would allow future governments to stop the rwanda plan if rwanda was seen not to be a safe country for people being sent there, arriving here legally by small boats, all eyes will be on the second vote. that's the vote with the amendment tabled by bill cash to disapply elements of the human rights act. in some cases. of the human rights act. in some cases . and vote we expect cases. and that vote we expect around that's the one around 6:00. that's the one that's got the support of as

many as 67 tory mps , and that's many as 67 tory mps, and that's the one to watch. but we are thinking that might the figure might grow more than that. i understand that 40 tory mps, including liz truss, former prime minister suella braverman, the former home secretary, were in a meeting at 5 pm. tonight. a mass meeting of people concerned this bill, and concerned about this bill, and they will . and they are going they will. and they are going straight from that meeting to start voting. they've been told very clear in terms what to vote, although only 40 were in the more are the meeting, many more are expected with that expected to vote with that amendment others were in amendment because others were in the at the time the house of commons at the time and couldn't attend. so i do the house of commons at the time and cwe dn't attend. so i do the house of commons at the time and cwe are attend. so i do the house of commons at the time and cwe are weend. so i do the house of commons at the time and cwe are we are so i do the house of commons at the time and cwe are we are seeing) the house of commons at the time and cwe are we are seeing what think we are we are seeing what could dramatic night in parliament. >> it chris. so we're >> it okay, chris. so we're seeing second vote tonight, seeing the second vote tonight, 66 counting . looking 66 rebels and counting. looking ahead to tomorrow, chris, what can we expect? what's the timeline and what's the dramatic moment we're expected the final result of this rebellion. what's the timeline tomorrow ? the timeline tomorrow? >> well, although dozens of tory mps are voting for these amendments against the government, no one expects them to win. the government should

win amendments. win tonight's amendments. the point to point is to create momentum to force the government to accept some of these rebel amendments onto the face of the bill tomorrow to avoid losing this unamended bill at third reading tomorrow, if that happens, as many as 3230 tory mps vote against this bill tomorrow night. the third reading. the bill falls and the government will be plunged into a somewhat of a big crisis. i mean, i do expect if that happened, labour would then try and put down a vote confidence, which the vote of no confidence, which the tory party would unite behind rishi sunak and win. but it would a very, very bad look would be a very, very bad look and could mean the government is on quite a shoogly going on quite a shoogly peg going forward. we're not there forward. but we're not there yet. we're here tonight. we're forward. but we're not there yet. we�*at here tonight. we're forward. but we're not there yet. we�*at these onight. we're forward. but we're not there yet. we�*at these votes . we're forward. but we're not there yet. we�*at these votes andy're forward. but we're not there yet. we�*at these votes and we'll looking at these votes and we'll be numbers and what it be counting numbers and what it means going tomorrow, means for the going to tomorrow, which in the which is a crucial day in the future sunak government i >> -- >> there. thank you for your update. superb. throughout the show. all the latest news on gb news. of course we'll be done at six but dewbs& co will take oven six but dewbs& co will take over. stick around for all of the updates on this dramatic

story. would it be enough ? will story. would it be enough? will this revolt bring enough to bnng this revolt bring enough to bring down rishi? will it just limp over the line like we saw time and time again with brexit? whatever no sleep till the end of for rishi sunak now of this for rishi sunak now moving on. at a time of soaring fuel prices, there's finally some good news for motorists today. some good news for motorists today . fuel retailers will be today. fuel retailers will be forced to publish changes to diesel prices within 30 minutes of any changes, and the new government regulations and this new scheme will be launched to ensure that retailers share information about fuel prices, with the expectation that the pubuc with the expectation that the public will then be able to compare prices through comparison tools. and of course , comparison tools. and of course, shop around. at long last to get the best deal and stop the transparency behind the fuel barons. he seemed to be fleecing as dried. it's disgusting . now as dried. it's disgusting. now i'm joined in our studio by howard cox, of course, as the founder of fair fuel uk. how welcome to the studio , martin. welcome to the studio, martin. first time here, i hope, of

many. >> m any. >> lovely many. >> lovely studio. >> lovely studio. >> it's wonderful, isn't it ? >> it's wonderful, isn't it? yeah. so many mps here today. grilled so many. i need to get yourself an now. then to yourself an apron now. then to on this fuelwatch. um, pump watch. i know a fair few. you've been campaigning on this for many , many years. and finally , many, many years. and finally, this has reached a fruition . this has reached a fruition. tell us about what punters can get and tell us about how we got to this point. >> well, okay. i've been campaigning for eight years on. i've in fact, campaign for i've been in fact, campaign for fair food uk for 15, but for getting pump because getting pump watch because there's opportunistic there's been opportunistic profiteering and years. >> everyone who drives a car knows they can never understand how a petrol and diesel how the hell a petrol and diesel pnces how the hell a petrol and diesel prices arrived at. >> the formula? no one >> what is the formula? no one seems all we do seems to know, and all we do know that there are always know is that there are always higher should be higher than they should be compared to the wholesale price. >> considerably. compared to the wholesale price. >> consletrably. compared to the wholesale price. >> consletrabljgive >> and let me give you an example . um, just before example. um, just before the pandemic nick, average pandemic, nick, the average profit per litre for petrol and diesel around about 8 to diesel was around about 8 to £0.10 litre. £0.10 per litre. >> average family car 55l was. was. >> was. >> you're looking around about a 5 or 4. >> you know that sort of thing. they're making a profit from

every driver coming in today. >> uh, the fuel supply chain is making £0.20 per litre double. >> why? >> why? >> go figure. who knows . >> go figure. who knows. >> go figure. who knows. >> so i've been fighting this for a long, long time. and i was really pleased that claire coutinho, energy coutinho, the minister of energy and net zero, called me in. and said i'd like to get you involved with this. said i'd like to get you involveii with this. said i'd like to get you involvel saw this. said i'd like to get you involvel saw her s. said i'd like to get you involvel saw her last week and >> so i saw her last week and she told me that they're making this announcement today they she told me that they're making this {do ouncement today they she told me that they're making this {do you ement today they she told me that they're making this {do you approve?iay they said, do you approve? >> they even approved the >> and they even approved to the extent actually extent where they're actually using watch, which using the word pump watch, which is coined, i'm is what i've coined, and i'm quite it means quite proud of it. what it means is prices will be is that pump prices will be fair, and transparent, we fair, honest and transparent, we hope. but at the moment the scheme voluntary scheme. scheme is a voluntary scheme. >> so who part at the >> so who takes part at the moment? retailers, including >> so who takes part at the momenfour retailers, including >> so who takes part at the momenfour supermarkets.|ding the big four supermarkets. i understand , part understand, take part voluntarily, is this going voluntarily, but is this going to be mandated so it's compulsory. would you like to see that? and more to the point, how can punters get these prices where where are they know where to go? >> well let's see martin, how this to progress. this is going to progress. >> obviously i'm going be >> and obviously i'm going to be watching it absolutely assiduously. >> we've >> the thing we've got to

recognise that we have got recognise is that we have got something fuel something like 90% of the fuel supply signed to say supply chain signed up to say they give these, they will actually give these, uh, prices retail uh, wholesale prices and retail prices. thing for prices. the important thing for me wholesale price and me is the wholesale price and the between retail the gap between the retail price. obviously that's profit. i want them to make a healthy profit, but not by fleecing drivers in a cost of living crisis. they've doing crisis. and they've been doing this nilly , nearly this willy nilly, nearly unchecked, years unchecked, for years and years and years. scheme pump and years. this scheme pump watch . the government have watch. the government have promised they will promised me that they will actually make this work, and they'll top they'll be sitting on top of these to sure they these people to make sure they do if they don't, it won't do it. if they don't, it won't become voluntary. it will become mandatory. >> and in a perfect world, it'd be it'd app on your be like it'd be an app on your phone. can literally beep. phone. we can literally go beep. i'm here's nearest, i'm here. here's the nearest, here's cheapest pump here's the nearest cheapest pump to like see to you. we'd all like to see that. would a great victory that. how would a great victory do this is? finally do you think this is? finally a ray of sunlight the ray of sunlight for the beleaguered motorists, seems beleaguered motorists, who seems to the most just to be just just the most just whipped and milked dry? absolutely. >> there are 37 million in >> right there are 37 million in this country who drive, and something like have something like 65% have no choice to use their vehicle. choice but to use their vehicle. and don't forget, it's not long. it's the 2nd. it's only on march the 2nd. we've budget . so i'll be

we've got a budget. so i'll be campaigning cut in fuel campaigning for a cut in fuel duty well. so that be duty as well. so that will be a great double whammy for me. getting pump watch really with teeth something teeth and we get something like a cut in duty. a 5 to £0.10 cut in fuel duty. if get you're going to if we get that, you're going to see very happy man. see a very happy man. >> how millions of >> and how many millions of motorists are there? how many votes are in this? >> every single you've got >> well, every single you've got to 17. to be over 17. >> potentially it's virtually >> so potentially it's virtually all 37 million so it's all 37 million vote. so it's very important . i've always very important. i've always said to political party labour to every political party labour and the tories. and of course i'm now standing for mayor, uh, for always said to for reform. i've always said to every drivers on your every party, get drivers on your side, you get shedload of votes. >> superb stuff. thank you very much. cox, founder of much. howard cox, founder of fairfield, joining us in fairfield, uk, forjoining us in the it's been the studio. now it's been a fantastic show and that vote is taking part as we speak. that will be covered on gb news as it breaks both today and tomorrow. dewbs& co is after the break. christopher hope, our political editor , is in the heart of editor, is in the heart of westminster. vote taking westminster. the vote taking part speak . we'll have all part as we speak. we'll have all of the latest on that . come back of the latest on that. come back and us tomorrow. more of and join us tomorrow. more of the martin daubney three the same. martin daubney three till live from the heart

till 6 pm. live from the heart of westminster. putting it to the people in power. but after the people in power. but after the break, dewbs& co michelle dewberry with that dramatic vote on the rwanda bill. see you tomorrow . tomorrow. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello again. i'm alex burkill and here's your latest gb news, weather forecast. whilst there is some wetter , windier and is some wetter, windier and milder weather to come this weekend, time being it weekend, for the time being it is staying cold with is staying cold and with that there's significant snow there's some significant snow around. we've seen heavy around. we've seen quite heavy snow across many northern areas today of a feature today because of a feature that's its eastwards that's pushing its way eastwards , brought disruption , that's brought some disruption to northern ireland, to parts of northern ireland, northern much of northern england and much of scotland too. however, much of the , sleet snow is going the rain, sleet or snow is going to clear its way towards the east. some though feeding east. some of it, though feeding a further southwards. so a bit further southwards. so overnight, could see some outbreaks sleet snow outbreaks of sleet and snow affecting wales and affecting parts of wales and into midlands. two to the into the midlands. two to the north of this, some clearer

skies, so temperatures will really into really plummet, could get into negative double figures in some places. a harsh, widespread frost. patches to frost. also some icy patches to watch out for as we go through wednesday. for many, it's wednesday. and for many, it's actually looking largely dry and there be a good deal of there will be a good deal of sunshine once any in sunshine to once any cloud in the south away the the south clears away the feature brought feature that could have brought some heavy, disruptive snow in the south. now looks like it will stay the of us, will stay to the south of us, but there will still be some snow showers pushing their way in of northern in across parts of northern western also western scotland and also northern ireland. two despite the sunshine, temperatures still on the side, so a chilly on the low side, so a chilly feel to things, albeit with mostly winds looking head mostly light winds looking head towards for many towards thursday. and for many it is again going to be mostly fine will be fine and again there will be plenty around . still plenty of sunshine around. still some showers most likely some snow showers most likely for northern parts scotland, for northern parts of scotland, but western and eastern but some western and eastern coasts flurries coasts could see some flurries at times. two friday is looking largely before some wet, largely dry before some wet, windy and milder weather arrives in time the weekend. bye bye. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers is sponsors of weather on gb news .

two westminster. our political ednon two westminster. our political editor, christopher hope, joins us right now. good evening to you, christopher. he is literally imminent . i'm telling literally imminent. i'm telling you, this is all breaking as we speak. there you go, christopher hope. good evening. what's going on? bring us up to speed . on? bring us up to speed. >> well, michelle, i can't confirm that lee anderson and brendan clarke—smith both deputy chairs of the conservative party, have resigned for voting with the bill. cash amendment, which seeks to disapply elements of human rights legislation towards migrants arriving illegally by boat and the illegally here by boat and the idea is to make it harder for judges to frustrate attempts to send people back. arriving here illegally rwanda deport send people back. arriving here illegalso, rwanda deport send people back. arriving here illegalso,to�*.wanda deport send people back. arriving here illegalso, to be 1da deport send people back. arriving here illegalso, to be clear deport send people back. arriving here illegalso, to be clear ,deport send people back. arriving here illegalso, to be clear , leeyrt them. so, to be clear, lee anderson and brendan clarke—smith have both resigned. there could more resignations there could be more resignations if more and more and more members of the government vote

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