brendan anderson and brendan clarke—smith both resigned , clarke—smith both resigned, signed a resignation which the prime minister we understand in the last half an hour has accepted. they were told ahead of the vote that any mp on payroll who didn't vote in favour of the government's bill would be sacked. both have consistently argued that the government's rwanda legislation should be strengthened. they now say they don't want to distract the prime minister from his work on . illegal migration. well, on. illegal migration. well, also in the news today , oil also in the news today, oil pnces also in the news today, oil prices went up and a major oil company suspended its shipping routes in the middle east. oil giant shell indefinitely suspended all its shipments through the red sea that came as oil prices rose by i. the governor of the bank of england, andrew bailey, just last week warning attacks in the region could impact prices here in the uk and on the military front, a united states official confirmed its planes targeted for houthi anti—ship missiles off the coast of yemen in fresh strikes

against the iran backed group overits against the iran backed group over its disruption to commercial shipping . now today commercial shipping. now today in the post office scandal, a fujitsu boss today accused post office officials of knowing about the bugs and errors in the honzon about the bugs and errors in the horizon it system. the business and trade committee heard from key figures involved in the post office scandal, including fujitsu executive paul patterson, who apologised and admitted that his company had a moral obligation to contribute towards compensating victims . towards compensating victims. the wrongly accused former postmaster and leader of the subpostmasters alliance, alan bates, blamed red tape for delays to compensation payments . delays to compensation payments. there are further signs today that the jobs market is cooling as wage growth slows. new figures from the office for national statistics found the uk's average weekly wage growth eased to 6.6% in the three months to november. it's the lowest rate since january last yeah lowest rate since january last year. it means pay packets grew

faster than the rate of price rises , and i'm sure you can feel rises, and i'm sure you can feel it right now. parts of the uk face another very cold night . face another very cold night. temperatures overnight dropping well below freezing , the met well below freezing, the met office saying a cold plunge of arctic air has moved across and south, right down the whole country over the last few days, making it 5 or 6 degrees lower than usual at this time of year. the met office has issued yellow weather warnings for snow and ice northern areas of ice covering northern areas of england, parts of wales and all of scotland. we know that hundreds of schools were closed in scotland today. that remaining in place until midnight. it's also warned of snow showers, power cuts and possible delays to trains or even air travel. wrap up warm . even air travel. wrap up warm. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news back now to the united states, where nigel farage is live in iowa .

nigel farage is live in iowa. >> well, the weather may be getting very cold back at home in the uk, but i can assure you it was much colder last night at 7 pm. here in the midwestern state of iowa. and yet people still turned out not everybody could were snowed in, could come. some were snowed in, but turned caucus. but they turned out to caucus. i attended one of those events where i saw members of the pubuc where i saw members of the public coming in, having their ids checked, listening to speakers on behalf of the candidates , writing down on a candidates, writing down on a piece paper the person they piece of paper the person they wanted to be. the republican nominee . and as you know by now, nominee. and as you know by now, donald trump came top and came top by a huge historic margin. we'll talk more tonight on the show about that . what i can say show about that. what i can say is that democracy is alive and well in america compared to the united kingdom. and i say that because here we have a conservative government elected with an 80 seat majority, promising you they would take back control of our borders. and yet the amendment that was put

down by robert jenrick and sir bill cash, that said, let's put the national interest over the echr or the or the united nafions. echr or the or the united nations. only 60 of echr or the or the united nations . only 60 of the nations. only 60 of the conservative mps actually bothered or had the guts. frankly to vote for it. so i'll talk a lot more about that. but first, let's get to the dramas in westminster , and i'm joined in westminster, and i'm joined by chris hope, gb news political editor down the line. chris, what's the latest .7 well . nigel, what's the latest? well. nigel, i'm not sure if the news has got to you over in the midwest in america, but the government has had quite a blow inflicted on its own mps tonight with as many as as 70 mps, um, eight of them from the dup. >> the rest of the tory party voting for a bill cash amendment to try and disapply elements of the human rights act to people the human rights act to people the wants to send back to the uk wants to send back to rwanda, arriving here illegally. so a for blow rishi sunak and applause for thought. i think . applause for thought. i think. thank you .

thank you. >> we now come to motion right. >> we now come to motion right. >> the line appears to have gone down to chris hope, which is not good. >> might lose. oh, nigel, we will wait for him to as many as i. >> ... >> is ..- >> is he .._ >> is he back? >> is he back? >> i'm okay. can hear you. well, nigel? yeah, i can hear you now. nigel. did you hear that? so nigel. did you hear that? so nigel farage to say. yeah. >> no. so, nigel. >> no. so, nigel. >> nigel. just to say in there. nigel there was a lot of tory mps voted in dozens for a bill cash amendment to try and disapply elements of the human rights act to migrants being flown back rwanda . but with flown back to rwanda. but with me now is matt warman . he is me now is matt warman. he is deputy chairman of the one nafion deputy chairman of the one nation group tory mps. deputy chairman of the one nation group tory mps . matt, nation group of tory mps. matt, how view tonight's vote? how do you view tonight's vote? it's you've won the party. the government has won its vote. but there's quite a big number against the party on these amendments tabled by bill cash and latterly robert jenrick. >> well i wouldn't frame it as winning or losing. i think what you heard in the debate today was, every member of the was, is every member of the conservative party wants to tackle this really important issue. from my

issue. i know from my constituency important constituency just how important it is. we've had 5 or hotels it is. we've had 5 or 6 hotels used to house refugees. in my patch alone . that is a really patch alone. that is a really big issue and we've got to do it. but we've got to do it right. and i think there are a number of people that have made an important point tonight about how they to see the how they want to see the government tackling it , but government tackling it, but there's different thing there's a very different thing between voting for an amendment and against the final and voting against the final bill itself tomorrow. so i think i would hope that we can coalesce around that central theme of this has got to be tackled. it's got to be tackled urgently. and if people do risk voting against third reading, the final vote tomorrow night, then that will only delay things. and that is bad for everyone. who cares about this issue. >> these mps on the right of the party, they think it just won't work . so what's the point? may work. so what's the point? may as well get the bill right first time, then show it won't work and then reap the consequences at the box. at the ballot box. >> well, it's fair point, >> well, it's a fair point, except the problem with the bill as it is going as it stands is it is going further than any government has

ever it's all ever gone before. it's all already at risk of being challenged in the courts. if you , as you put it, toughen it up. the risk is you end up with nothing because the courts become more likely to say become much more likely to say that it become much more likely to say thatitis become much more likely to say that it is not acceptable . now, that it is not acceptable. now, we can argue about the relationship between the courts and the government as people do , and the government as people do, but the reality is, if you put yourself in that position, if yourself in that position, if you end up with it losing with the government, losing later on down court, then we down the line in court, then we will end up with nothing. that means taking off, no means no planes taking off, no one part of this policy. one being part of this policy. so there's real risk here. and so there's a real risk here. and i think people at some point need to take yes for an answer. okay >> you heard it there from >> well, you heard it there from matt warman, farage deputy matt warman, nigel farage deputy chairman one nation chairman of the one nation caucus of tory mps on towards the left of the party, um, concerned. but hopes the party can come together before the big third vote tomorrow third reading vote tomorrow night . night. >> yeah, well, maybe it will and maybe they'll vote for the third reading out of loyalty to the party. but i have to say, chris,

it feels like brexit 2.0 to me because of course , all these because of course, all these amendments attempting to disapply parts of the human rights act, remember, that was the incorporate of the echr into british law that led to that piece of legislation. now there've been a couple of resignations and of course, the most prominent of them are regular gb news. lee anderson resigned before the vote as deputy chairman of the conservative party. as indeed the brendan clarke—smith and i understand , chris, that you've understand, chris, that you've got lee anderson with you right now . no no. okay. we haven't got now. no no. okay. we haven't got him yet . well, we're going to him yet. well, we're going to get lee anderson, i promise you. uh, but as you can see, the situation is moving very, very fast.i situation is moving very, very fast. i have to say one observation. i've got given where the current conservative party are, given the people that voted for them back in 2019 and their majority is if we had open

caucus was in the united kingdom , i promise you, the conservative party's leadership would not be rishi sunak , would not be rishi sunak, because what happened here in iowa last night was actually the grassroots telling , the grassroots telling, the establishment, telling the establishment, telling the establishment republicans, no, we don't want your choices . we we don't want your choices. we want trump. i wish we had the same situation. we would not be in this mess. now. chris, do you have lee anderson now ? have lee anderson now? >> nigel farage jarang with lee anderson, of course, the former deputy chairman of the tory party who resigned tonight over the rwanda bill. uh, lee anderson, why have you resigned ? anderson, why have you resigned? >> um, to be honest with you, chopper , i don't think i could chopper, i don't think i could carry in my role as deputy carry on in my role as deputy chairman of the conservative party fundamentally party when i fundamentally disagree bill, disagree with with the bill, i think most of the bill is sound. i think it can work. but we needed it beefing we needed needed it beefing up. we needed it strengthening over the next few and can't be in few days. and i can't be in a position to vote for something which i don't believe in. look, you know , at the of the day, you know, at the end of the day, small are coming. they'll small boats are coming. they'll keep to see

keep coming. i want to see a situation where anybody who arrives this arrives illegally in this country has no right at all to claim asylum, no right to claim an appeal, and more importantly, no right to go missing and disappear into the country. and i think this bill could work, but it needs strengthening. um, that's the that's why i backed the amendments ultimately resigned. >> done this for lee >> have you done this for lee anderson rather than party? >> have you done this for lee amean,n rather than party? >> have you done this for lee amean, numberthan party? >> have you done this for lee amean, number 10,1 party? >> have you done this for lee amean, number 10, we're 3arty? i mean, number 10, we're thinking lee. you've thinking thanks, lee. you've really thrown a curveball at the prime minister doing this. prime minister by doing this. it's all about you, not the party. >> christopher, don't be ridiculous. i've not done it for lee anderson. done it for lee anderson. i've done it for the residents ashfield and the residents of ashfield and 55.5% residents in 55.5% of the residents in ashfield , when asked by a ashfield, when asked by a telegraph poll, said they want to the immediate deportation to see the immediate deportation or illegal migrants. or removal of illegal migrants. have done it for them, not for lee anderson. have done it for them, not for leethere'son. have done it for them, not for leethere's .1. have done it for them, not for lee there's . a have done it for them, not for leethere's . a 99. richard tice, >> there's. a 99. richard tice, the leader of the reform party, has said you're now welcome to join the reform party. will you look, the conservative party gave me a home when i was politically homeless . politically homeless. >> they backed me. they financially backed me. they

wrapped their arms around i wrapped their arms around me. i still think the conservative party the party moving still think the conservative party toe party moving still think the conservative party to get party moving still think the conservative party to get usparty moving still think the conservative party to get us outy moving still think the conservative party to get us out offoving still think the conservative party to get us out of this|g forward to get us out of this mess. it's very kind of. mess. so it's very kind of. richard, we've had a few, um, you know, few dingoes over the you know, a few dingoes over the past few weeks, a few, you know, a arguments. but he's a good a few arguments. but he's a good man. great man. like man. he's a great man. i like him, i him as a friend. him, i class him as a friend. but i think, know the best but i think, you know the best way forward solve this way forward to solve this problem strong conservative problem is a strong conservative party with strong mps like myself. >> and you will in the >> and you will stand in the next as a tory mp. of next election as a tory mp. of course i but overall, i course i will. but overall, i mean, you have a problem here for because will you for rishi sunak because will you vote the bill? a third reading? >> there's a lot happen >> there's a lot can happen between tomorrow between now and tomorrow evening. you know, evening. chris, as you know, you're to nail me you're not going to nail me down, but i'm a man of conviction. i like to think that we'll see happens the we'll see what happens over the next there's a lot next 24 hours. there's a lot of discussion is going to happen behind closed doors, like i say, i'm not happy with the bill. um, i'm not happy with the bill. um, i want see boats i don't want to see boats pulling dover every ten pulling up to dover every ten minutes. to see them not minutes. i want to see them not coming. want to see a bill coming. and i want to see a bill that delivers that. >> to see that in >> do you want to see that in writing then? because the pm has

told news yesterday at leigh told gb news yesterday at leigh on would overrule on sea that he would overrule section orders, he would section 39 orders, he would stop these injunctions, these pyjama injunctions, stopping taking off. do stopping flights, taking off. do you that in writing? you want to see that in writing? is your red line? well, is that your red line? well, that's encouraging the boss that's encouraging for the boss to that. that's encouraging for the boss to look, at. that's encouraging for the boss to look,at know that's encouraging for the boss to look, at know rishi wants to >> look, i know rishi wants to sort this i've met him sort this out. i've met him many, many times over this over this problem we've he wants this problem we've got. he wants to i to see to sort it, but i want to see something more substantial, as do voters in country. do the voters in this country. if get right, if we get if we get it right, if we get this right, chopper, you know, rishi it could be the rishi could be it could be the best leader europe because best leader in europe because the of europe will follow best leader in europe because the but)f europe will follow best leader in europe because the but if europe will follow best leader in europe because the but if he ope will follow best leader in europe because the but if he if e will follow best leader in europe because the but if he if he rill follow best leader in europe because the but if he if he can't.low best leader in europe because the but if he if he can't get him. but if he if he can't get it right, then your party will be punished at the ballot box. well, listen, i'm not sure well, listen, i'm not quite sure about that because labour have well, listen, i'm not quite sure about tanswer ause labour have well, listen, i'm not quite sure about tanswer to se labour have well, listen, i'm not quite sure about tanswer to this. bour have well, listen, i'm not quite sure about tanswer to this. you have well, listen, i'm not quite sure about tanswer to this. you know, got no answer to this. you know, we reduced crossings by 36% we have reduced crossings by 36% in year. are trying in the past year. we are trying to the right thing. labour to do the right thing. labour haven't got a single policy. they banging on about they keep banging on about 14 years they haven't years of tory rule. they haven't come one single policy come up with one single policy within years. so they're not within 14 years. so they're not the the answer, the answer. we're the answer, but need to get tougher. but we just need to get tougher. how's it look, though? >> the party looks >> you think the party now looks at fighting with itself months out the election? it can't

out from the election? it can't agree on a rwanda policy. >> think the party is >> i don't think the party is fighting with itself. we are a broad church chopper, as you know. what we always say, know. that's what we always say, look, disagreements within within place within the party and this place parliament always within the party and this place parlithisnt always within the party and this place parlithis and always within the party and this place parlithis and this always within the party and this place parlithis and this has always within the party and this place parlithis and this has not.ways within the party and this place parlithis and this has not been said this and this has not been controversial. this place, parliament is totally of parliament is totally out of touch rest of the touch with the rest of the country, rest of country country, the rest of the country want this sorting out. like i said residents said before, 55.5% of residents in want illegal in ashfield want illegal migrants more migrants deported swiftly, more or day. so they or less the same day. so they need to get in tune with what the constituents are saying. need to get in tune with what the well, ituents are saying. need to get in tune with what the well, nigel; are saying. need to get in tune with what the well, nigel farage,/ing. need to get in tune with what the well, nigel farage, you heard >> well, nigel farage, you heard there from lee anderson making very he's this. he's very clear he's doing this. he's not join reform not off to join the reform party, were once the party, where you were once the leader the leader its leader or the leader of its forebear, the brexit party, nigel he is doing nigel farage. but he is doing it. thinks, to try and send a it. he thinks, to try and send a message to the government overnight harden the overnight to harden up the rwanda make it work. rwanda bill and make it work. >> i fully understand what >> yep. i fully understand what lee saying. when lee anderson saying. but when he, says the he, you know, says the conservative party in the uk is a yes, it's a broad church. yes, it's a broad church, but it no longer has any unifying religion. and churches without religion cannot survive very long, in my view.

chris, hope, thank you very much indeed. chris, hope, thank you very much indeed . and i'm just reminded, indeed. and i'm just reminded, folks at home, this is just like brexit all over again, where a majority of conservative voters wanted brexit. and yet, you know, despite that, despite that the party opposed brexit and did so pretty forcefully. well, we're over 600 days into this rwanda farce. 600 days where the government have promised us that people who cross the english channel illegally in dinghies would be sent to rwanda. we've spent hundreds of millions of pounds not a single flight has gone, not one person has gone. and as we go on through this internecine warfare within the conservative party i wonder legally , frankly, all the while legally, frankly, all the while we're signed up to the european convention on human rights to various conventions with the united nations . and frankly, united nations. and frankly, whether any of it is worth a row of beans, i'm joined by immigration lawyer paul turner, paul, welcome back onto the

programme. um, i wonder with your legal hat on with your legal hat on whether you're somewhat bemused looking at these debates that are going on in the house of commons? i mean, ultimately , it seems unlikely to ultimately, it seems unlikely to me that a rishi sunak government is going to ignore the european court of human rights in strasbourg . strasbourg. >> well, i would agree. and they've had the opportunity. i think it's been put to mr sunak as to whether he would actually, um, uh, be as bold as to say he's going to ignore any , um, he's going to ignore any, um, rule 39 injunctions and he has. how shall we put it? uh, not answered a question directly, but said they kicked down the road. now, that might be the usual not kicking it down the road, as in, he's frightened to say one thing or the other as it stands at the moment. i mean , i stands at the moment. i mean, i don't agree with the guillotine. probably um, understood. during our previous discussions, but the amendments probably the

conservatives last best hope had actually getting any flights off the ground . um, and as we've the ground. um, and as we've seen, they've been rejected by parliament. the amendments don't agree with would have stripped the, um, echr of any, uh, ability to stop the flights. the bill itself , ability to stop the flights. the bill itself, as it stands, preserved under clause three, the ability for the uk courts to say that the um bill is incompatible with human rights and calls for allows individual the right to go to strasbourg and to make their case in strasbourg . and at present, the strasbourg. and at present, the uk tends to follow the judgements of the european court of human rights, so it is easy to see. and if one looks at the unhcr's most recent report , unhcr's most recent report, they've said yes, we've looked at what's gone on, but quite frankly , nothing's changed on frankly, nothing's changed on the ground in rwanda and the according to the unhcr and will be aware of the weight that the um supreme court put on the unhcr's findings. they find that the um, bill, as it now stands ,

the um, bill, as it now stands, is still in breach of the uk's international obligations, which doesn't take a genius to work out would mean that that notwithstanding no domestic challenges being possible , that challenges being possible, that individuals will go to the echr and nothing has changed on the ground in rwanda . the echr ground in rwanda. the echr likely to say that removal is unlawful . so, in short, the unlawful. so, in short, the chances of taking off before the spnng chances of taking off before the spring are minimal. >> yeah, i might have thought actually the chances of any flights taking off, the chances, paul flights taking off, the chances, paul, of any flights taking off before the next general election, look pretty slim, don't they? >> i think that there's >> well, i think that there's a greater chance of rishi sunak being as prime being voted back as the prime minister um, that's likely to happen before anybody is removed for rwanda. and i don't think anyone is going to be removed for lander. and i think the next government are likely to kick this into the long grass where it belongs . it belongs. >> okay, paul, you couldn't have put it more clearly. we're

whistling in the wind. thank you very much indeed. now we have another resignation from the government, albeit from a junior position. but chris hope will update us right now . update us right now. >> well, nigel, here in westminster, it's all kicking off. jane stevenson mp has resigned as a parliamentary private secretary to kemi badenoch. she said on social media just moments ago i don't consider my votes to be anti—gay government, but they do warrant resignation. she voted for the bill. cash amendment on the on the issue of human rights and disapplying that to migrants being flown back to rwanda, deported there in the chamber, she says she paid tribute to rishi sunaks work so far and welcomed his commitment to lead talks on better global frameworks. so a third resignation again, very junior, the lowest rung of government. but all the same, she was a member of the government. a ps that means an unpaid role. a bag carrier if you like. there's further confusion here. i

understand that some tory mps have by mistake voted for robert jenrick motion tonight. nigel um, the word is david davis mp. um, the word is david davis mp. um and. well. and another mp. we're getting confirmation on the names, but i think there's been some, some confusion about who's voting for what tonight which delayed the of which is delayed the result of the robert jenrick mp not confirmed david davis. confirmed yet on david davis. not not sure the names not sure. not sure the names yet, but we understand there's some about who some confusion about who voted for the big number, for what. but the big number, the overall. takeaway the big overall. the takeaway from is from tonight in westminster is that tory mps have that dozens of tory mps have voted against the government to harden up the rwanda plan. the question for the whips and number tonight is what number 10 tonight is what happens. next? >> and chris, just one final thought and it's difficult to predict. it's moving very quickly . but predict. it's moving very quickly. but do you predict. it's moving very quickly . but do you see any quickly. but do you see any conservative mps voting against the government's overall bill tomorrow evening ? tomorrow evening? >> well, that is the only question that matters in

parliament tonight. that's a question which will be given, maybe even rishi sunak a sleepless night. nigel farage is not really clear what will happen. they only need barely half the numbers who voted for the bill, cash amendment or even the bill, cash amendment or even the jenrick amendment to the robert jenrick amendment to maybe defeat the government. it is clear what the is not entirely clear what the government's majority government's working majority is and required it could and how many required it could be. 28, 29 or 30 or 32, because we're not clear how some of the independent former tory mps will vote tomorrow night . but it will vote tomorrow night. but it will get very, very close and it could be difficult. and the government could almost by a mistake, lose its rwanda plan on a third reading vote tomorrow night . the question now is what night. the question now is what does government will does the government do? will they amend that bill in they try and amend that bill in writing not rely just on writing and not rely just on words from rishi sunak, who told us gb news yesterday he would us on gb news yesterday he would overrule judges overrule european judges blocking flight? they blocking flight? will they put that writing that might be that in writing that might be enough. wait and see. it enough. we'll wait and see. it will be a long night in westminster. nigel >> no, it certainly will be, chris. >> no, it certainly will be, chns.thank >> no, it certainly will be, chris. thank you very much indeed. well, one thing that is for certain folks is that if the

grass roots of the conservative party had their way, there wouldn't just 60 mps voting wouldn't just be 60 mps voting for would nearly for this. there would be nearly all voting for all conservative mps voting for this. that's what happened this. and that's what happened last night here in iowa. you see, , most iowans, state see, most, most iowans, state politicians did not back donald trump . and yet iowan voters did . trump. and yet iowan voters did. in a minute, i'll be joined by an iowan politician who is donald trump's absolute favourite at this moment in time, i'll be joined by the iowan attorney general just in a moment. she's very, very popular. she's even being tipped , perhaps to become governor at some point in the future

government could do to stop that happening earlier on gb news radio . radio. >> well, as you saw at the top of the show, i did attend the trump victory party last night and boy, it was quite a party. and he came onto the stage and it was interesting to see the prominence of his two sons. but also there were members of his

close team , um, i have to say, a close team, um, i have to say, a far more professional team than he had in either 2016 or 2020. in opinion. there were in my opinion. and there were some people up on the some other people up on the stage, one them got a very stage, one of them got a very special shout out attorney general brenna bird. >> she really, really stepped up . where is krajina coming . . where is krajina coming. >> thank you. yeah oh thank you, thank you . glad to do it. we thank you. glad to do it. we need you. yeah >> she stepped up . she's going >> she stepped up. she's going to be your governor someday , i to be your governor someday, i predict. so we'll see. we'll see. we'll be watching . but she see. we'll be watching. but she really did. she broke away from the pack . the pack. >> well, the attorney general of iowa, bird joins me now. i mean, kisses and hugs from donald trump. wow >> yeah. wow. i mean, what an awesome night. what a big victory for president trump and all the people who supported him

i >> -- >> what 5mm >> what was interesting to me when looking at the numbers was in the state house here. and by the way, what a beautiful building it is magnificent in the state house here of the 64 people sitting there as republicans, 42 endorsed ron desantis in the senate, here at state level, 15 of the 30 endorsed ron desantis . indeed. endorsed ron desantis. indeed. you know, even your governor, kim, i mean, she endorsed ron desantis . what made you decide desantis. what made you decide to go with trump? >> well , i to go with trump? >> well, i think he's the one who will end the biden administration and get our country back on track. we've got some real problems here, and we were all a lot better off when he was president. he did a great job, uh, securing the border, for example , leading the for example, leading the economy. you know, you name it. he did a great job. did you face much pressure not to endorse him? well, think the caucuses him? well, i think the caucuses are very heated. you know, it's the first election that we have a caucus for president of united states. and it's right here in iowa. so, mean, there's

iowa. so, yeah, i mean, there's a of pressures out there, a a lot of pressures out there, a lot of campaigning going on. but i knew the right thing was i knew what the right thing was to do. and i did that. and i campaigned with president trump all state, whatever all over the state, whatever they and just, you they needed. uh, and just, you know, trump has the know, president trump has the best supporters, people who really about and really care about america and about the policies, what's best for our country. >> and it's what struck me about it grassroots, isn't it was it's so grassroots, isn't it? i mean, you know, i went to a caucus about 15 minutes outside des moines , and it was outside des moines, and it was in a gymnasium of a school, and people turn up and they give him a piece of paper. i mean, it really is democracy in action, isn't it? >> oh, absolutely. so i'm from a rural area and caucus, uh, where i live. and we did it in the school cafeteria with our friends and neighbours, and they believe strongly in the believe very strongly in the candidates mean, candidates they support. i mean, president big in my president trump won big in my caucus, but everybody is caucus, 60, but everybody is cordial, polite and trying to do the right thing. >> and it's free, open debate. but as i say, had it been up to

the politicians, the elected politicians in iowa to choose who the nominee should be, it would have been ron desantis. when it goes to the people, it's a very, very different choice. you know, from the start , you know, right from the start, there have been some people in there have been some people in the republican party that have found trump difficult to found donald trump difficult to stomach. the stomach. you know, the nevertrumpers and there's always been that there. you been that wing there. and you know, them country know, we can call them country club whatever we club republicans or whatever we want to do. is he able and i say this because i did speak to people at that caucus last night that i went to, you know, good people, hard working iowans who are republicans and registered and they're just worried about all the court cases. they're worried about all the stuff that's coming down the track this year. he able ? because i this year. is he able? because i thought his speech was quite emollient night. you know, emollient last night. you know, he was very, very nice to you. but but actually he wasn't disrespectful to the other candidates. is he able to bring the republican party together as a united force going into the

elections on november the 5th this year? >> oh, absolutely. i mean, he will be our nominee. he will bnng will be our nominee. he will bring everybody together. we will work to win everybody's support . uh, and we have to support. uh, and we have to defeat the biden administration. and you know, we have something we say here in iowa, in the country, you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. and that's what he's done. he has shaken things up a little bit. >> he's very good at breaking eggs, and there is absolute eggs, and that there is absolute no and as always, great no doubt, and as always, a great degree of drama with him. but i mean, the nikki mean, you know, can the nikki haley of the party haley wing of the party reconcile themselves to donald trump being the nominee? >> think so. that's what >> oh, i think so. that's what primaries are for. that's what the process is for. everybody has to make their has their chance to make their case to the american people and we that when we have a we know that when we have a nominee, and i think it's president trump, all president trump, we all get behind support behind that person and support them . that's the way it works. them. that's the way it works. >> mean, think >> oh, look, i mean, i think there's no question, you know, i mean and whatever happens in new hampshire, if you all hampshire, if you look at all the that coming the ones that are coming afterwards, going afterwards, he clearly is going to nominee. uh, legal to be the nominee. uh, legal

problems aside, you believe he's going to win. problems aside, you believe he's goiii] to win. problems aside, you believe he's goiii do, win. problems aside, you believe he's goiii do, irin. problems aside, you believe he's goiii do, i do, absolutely, yeah. >> i do, i do, absolutely, yeah. >> i do, i do, absolutely, yeah. >> there's a lot of confidence. there's of confidence there's a lot of confidence around republican party around in the republican party at and what about at the moment. and what about your future? you're being tipped, on global tipped, you know, live on global television being someone television as being someone that's going to some that's going to be at some point, the governor here. >> very, very >> well, that was very, very kind to say that. and kind of him to say that. and i just got elected as attorney general here. yes. and, uh, defeated was first defeated somebody who was first elected in 1978 when i was two. and so i my work cut out and so i have my work cut out for me, turning that for me, turning around that office, making we're office, making sure we're supporting enforcement, supporting law enforcement, prosecuting criminals and right now we're spending a lot of energy pushing back against the unconstitutional illegal unconstitutional and illegal things administration things the biden administration is it was very is doing. so, but it was very kind he that's kind what he said. that's a little bit down the track. >> then . it's not going to >> then. it's not going to happen immediately. now you've got a job to do. it really interesting. great to have you on the program and hey, you pick the side well done. the winning side and well done. we'll take a break and we'll come to some of the dramas come back to some of the dramas that have been

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> well, all of the so—called rebel amendments have been heavily defeated in the house of commons. we have a parliament thatis commons. we have a parliament that is so far away from the centre of gravity of public opinion that it is almost not true. it almost feels to me like we're back in that pre brexit period. parliament just not representing the people . but representing the people. but it's the legal side of this that fascinates me and clearly that is what the government are

absolutely terrified of. the robert jenrick resignation as immigration minister was very telling . he said it's pretty telling. he said it's pretty clear that the british government basically care more about agreements with the united nations, about agreements with the european convention on human rights than they do about putting the national interest first. that was what was so significant . i thought about the significant. i thought about the genenc significant. i thought about the generic resignation, but i wonder what can we do with these international organisations? and i'm joined again by paul turner, immigration lawyer paul, you know, the echr we all know why we signed up to it. it was after the holocaust. it was post world war two. and indeed we were very instrumental in setting this thing up as an early warning system. its critics, myself included , would say that it's included, would say that it's been through activism, extended its role in many other ways . but its role in many other ways. but what would happen ? what would what would happen? what would happenif what would happen? what would happen if a british government just said . you know what this is

just said. you know what this is in our national interest. we are going to ignore what this court in strasbourg said. what would actually happen? >> well, what we would be doing is joining a quite elite club of nafions is joining a quite elite club of nations that include russia . um, nations that include russia. um, they have ignored , um, i think they have ignored, um, i think 20 interim rule , 39 injunctions 20 interim rule, 39 injunctions and then they were thrown out. um so if we want to be seen on a par with russia , um, then that par with russia, um, then that is what we would be. we would become an international pariah. um it would also have quite grave impacts. i read on the northern ireland agreement and the peace that we've seen in northern ireland over the last quarter of a century. now it may it may well be that if peace in northern ireland is not that important. and i certainly remember . important. and i certainly remember. growing up. so i'm sure you do, nigel. in the troubles, when there were bombs going off in oxford street. um, we don't have that anymore. thankfully and part that is thankfully and part of that is due to the echr. so if on

balances at peace in united balances at peace in the united kingdom, in northern kingdom, peace in northern ireland, northern ireland developing and we set that against, um, what it is a where there's no evidence that actually the new bill even if it was in force and 2 or 300 people were sent to rwanda, whether that would actually have any deterrent effect. so it everyone wants to stop illegal crossing. i want to stop illegal crossings. it's not good for people, and it's certainly not good to put vulnerable people into the hands of criminals. good to put vulnerable people into the hands of criminals . but into the hands of criminals. but when we look at it , the when we look at it, the government promised that they would carry out an publisher review on, um, safe legal routes within six months of the bill coming into force. they have put out the report and they haven't introduced it or suggested any new safe legal routes. and lastly , there were about 700 lastly, there were about 700 people up to september last yean people up to september last year, relocated under legal routes and if you put that against the number of people recognised as asylum seekers in the united kingdom, it was about

37,000, um, 75% of the people that claimed asylum. so by all means, stop the boats. but you need to have a method by whereby people can actually claim asylum and come to the united kingdom lawfully. and the government wants to have its cake and eat it. >> well, well, hang on a second, paul >> well, well, hang on a second, paul. hang on a second. paul. we've had over 500,000 people claim asylum in the uk since 2017. i mean, it's a huge number, isn't it? so it's not as if we've not been doing our bit on the international stage. i would disagree with you on the role of echr and the northern ireland peace process. i think the americans had a bit more to do but, but this do with that. but, but, but this idea that we'd be a pariah state that i mean, we were told actually we if we left the european union , we become a european union, we become a panah european union, we become a pariah state, we haven't , pariah state, but we haven't, have we? well um, it that's a political hot cake. >> um, no, we haven't become a panah >> um, no, we haven't become a pariah state. uh, whether we've received all the benefits that

that certain politicians advocated is a matter for another discussion . um, not one another discussion. um, not one today, but, yes, you're right. we haven't become a pariah state. i can still go on holiday to europe, as i'm sure we all can. um, but when i arrive, they usually laugh at the colour of my passport and ask me more questions. leaving the questions. um, but leaving the echr which, say, rightly echr, which, as you say, rightly mentioned, was pretty much drafted by a british barrister after the second world war. now it has incrementally increased , it has incrementally increased, and there's a legitimate concern to be had about whether it's gone too far. but in respect of rwanda, we're talking about the protection of people's lives. now. that's one of the core foundations behind the echr. so we're not talking about whether or not, um, people should get two pints of milk a week or three pints of milk a week . two pints of milk a week or three pints of milk a week. um, and relying on the echr for what would be a spurious argument. we're about people's we're talking about people's safety. . safety. all right. >> paul, as ever, thank you for your legal opinion . and nobody your legal opinion. and nobody at home can ever say on gb news

you don't hear both sides of the argument. i fundamentally disagree with paul. i think putting the national interests first is what we have to do. and unless we ignore these outdated conventions , we will not get conventions, we will not get back our borders, an back control of our borders, an issue is equally as big, if issue that is equally as big, if not bigger . issue that is equally as big, if not bigger. here in usa not even bigger. here in the usa . now, today, a at last something sensible has happened. the fujitsu europe director , the fujitsu europe director, paul patterson, came before the business and trade committee and admitted culpability . yes he admitted culpability. yes he did, he said he was truly sorry for the glitches that had occurred within the system. he accepted that their evidence had been used in the prosecutions and he said that fujitsu would have a moral obligation to contribute to the £1 billion compensate nation scheme. well, of course they do. the argument folks i was making last week was that actually this could have happened an awful lot more quickly. let's listen to what he

had to say earlier on today. >> we did have bugs and errors in the system, and we did help the post office in their prosecutions of the subpostmasters for that, we are truly sorry information on that was shared with the post office . was shared with the post office. um, as part of our contract with them was very clear . so the post them was very clear. so the post office also knew there were bugs and errors . well all at last and errors. well all at last some admission . some admission. >> but you know, a proper leader would have hauled him into 10 downing street last week, would have made fujitsu pay for all of the compensation. and we learned that actually their government contracts are now. and i had a figure of 3.4 billion. they've been paid with the british government. actually, it would appear that it's been double that over the course of the last 15 years. 7 or £8 million that has come out of public funds. it is a truly extra ordinary sum of money. now, for the first time even money. now, for the first time ever, gb news were able to ask

the palestinian ambassador a question in london today. here was the question, and here was the answer. >> i have taken part in almost every demonstration and i was a speaker in most of them. if not, i mean the central ones. i haven't seen one, you know, chantings that people are accusing these people. i have seen love. i have i have seen love. i have seen commitment to international legality. i have seen diversity , i have seen seen diversity, i have seen unity. i have seen all colours, all religions. i have seen many, many jewish brothers and sisters in these demos. and not just for the last hundred days, but for the last hundred days, but for the last hundred days, but for the last 75 years with us. uh, i have i have seen the best britain offers and to use one person here and two individuals there to conflate and to, uh , there to conflate and to, uh, uh, actually frame millions is a very bad exercise . we should

very bad exercise. we should focus on the millions , not the focus on the millions, not the two three individuals. the millions are calling out for an immediate ceasefire. that is something so humane that is something so humane that is something so humane that is something so british that is something so british that is something that should be hailed and respected . the millions are and respected. the millions are demanding an end of israel's occupation. that is the policy of the uk that is the international consensus resolution. and the millions are promising to create an agency to put pressure on all that to happen. so let's not defame and defile and desecrate the most beautiful thing that happened over the only beautiful thing that happened in the last hundred days , which is the hundred days, which is the outpouring raw emotions and principal solidarity . we well, principal solidarity. we well, i may not agree with much of that, but i tell you what, that opinion may well have a big impact on british politics. >> and i'll talk about that tomorrow when i'm back in london. if the weather allows me to get back and the what the

farage moment of the day is. well, the ulez protesters, the blade runners, have gone a step further bromley borough today further in bromley borough today . just ulez cameras . eight not just ulez cameras have been taken down, but actually whole whole posts carrying traffic lights at major junctions have been felled to the ground. you can see these pictures on your screens. it's caused an absolute total traffic confusion during some of the busiest times of the day . and busiest times of the day. and look, i understand the upset about these charges sadiq khan has bought in. i understand that it's the poor and the elderly that are picking up the bills, but i do wonder whether this campaign against ulez is perhaps not going just a step too far. in a moment , not going just a step too far. in a moment, i'll be joined by bob vander plaats, ceo of the family leader , a faith family leader, a faith conservative organisation here in iowa, big supporter of ron desantis. i'll ask the question , desantis. i'll ask the question, doesit desantis. i'll ask the question, does it make sense for ron to continue with his campaign on

patrick christys tonight? >> 9 to 11 pm, the rwanda rebels are in crunch talk this evening . one of the leaders of evening. one of the leaders of the five families, miriam ks, will give her exclusive inside story to us and remember this . i story to us and remember this. i am joined by the son of england world cup winner nobby stiles, who's leading a lawsuit against the fa over brain injuries allegedly suffered during his dad's career. find out why the archbishop of woke , justin archbishop of woke, justin welby, facing calls to resign welby, is facing calls to resign . and there the most exciting . and there is the most exciting paper of you anywhere on telly. it's christys tonight, it's patrick christys tonight, 9 to 11 pm. it's the only show in town

>> well, there's no doubt in my mind that ron desantis has been an incredibly effective governor of florida. the place is booming. people are there, not just leaving other parts of america to go to florida .

america to go to florida. they're leaving other parts of the to world go to florida. so impressed. are they by the whole regime that he's put in place? and of course , the fight back and of course, the fight back against woking, education and everything else. and miami, i mean, every time you go , it's mean, every time you go, it's almost unrecognisable. it's so much bigger than it was before . much bigger than it was before. but was he wise to run for the presidency at this stage? and given the fact that the guy is only in his mid 40s? well, bob vander plaats is ceo of the family leader, a socially conservative christian organiser here in iowa. welcome >> that's good to be with you to the program. >> now, you were all out. ron desantis, man, weren't you? >> i was all about ron desantis. and part of it is what you just recognise. you know what he did in florida? i mean, it's national leadership, exemplary leadership. won leadership. but then he won in a landslide midterms . took landslide in the midterms. took a toss up state, turned it deep red demographics . we red and won in demographics. we never went in. i thought that's the guy need in order the kind of guy we need in order to a 2024. to win a 2024. >> yes . i to win a 2024. >> yes. i mean, what did he win

by 18 points? >> i think it was to 20. >> i think it was close to 20. >> i think it was close to 20. >> yeah, yeah. having won by literally a very, very tiny margin before. the other thing, literally a very, very tiny m'course,fore. the other thing, literally a very, very tiny m'course, about he other thing, literally a very, very tiny m'course, about desantisthing, literally a very, very tiny m'course, about desantis that's of course, about desantis that's impressed and were impressed me. um, and we were locked down three times by our national government the third time, for i've never time, for reasons i've never quite fully understood. um is that you know, he made that he, you know, he made a very, very big call, didn't he, on very big call. on lockdown. a very big call. the weather, of course, helps in florida, but california . yeah. florida, but california. yeah. could have done the same. oh, sure chose not to. that was a big part of it as well, wasn't it? >> was a huge part of it. matter of fact, he took on fauci. he took down the lockdown regime. he kept the beaches open, the schools open. kept schools open. he kept the churches open. yeah and he really on this really pushed back on all this mandate like, where's the mandate stuff like, where's the science behind this vaccines science behind all this vaccines and are quarantining and why are we quarantining healthy ? and so i think healthy people? and so i think healthy people? and so i think he led the way. you want people to lead like governor reynolds did here in iowa. they treated iowans and floridians like adults. and people adults. and i think people respected that . respected that. >> but he spent a lot of time

and money here in iowa . he's and money here in iowa. he's been to all 99 counties. i know you've been out with him on the road as well , you've been out with him on the road as well, but it kind of hasn't worked, has it ? donald hasn't worked, has it? donald trump's appeal is still very strong among the grassroots. >> well, there's no doubt we always know, that iowa always said, you know, that iowa will have done its job if we present alternative. present america an alternative. and so therefore, you got the former donald trump. former president, donald trump. and alternative, i and then an alternative, i believe in governor believe still in governor desantis and now america, you get choose. for example, get to choose. so for example, last everybody says , you last night, everybody says, you know, donald trump know, well, donald trump dominated . he's the former dominated. he's the former president. won iowa twice, president. he's won iowa twice, 2016, 2020. and yet half of the people said, we're looking for an alternative. so if you don't have nikki haley in the race and say it's just to say all since 51 to 40, and all of a sudden people are saying, this is game on. this is a real competition. so i think now when they go into new hampshire, they go into south carolina, and i think nikki haley has got a short runway now. i think after south carolina, done. now

carolina, she'll be done. now we'll be down to a two person race and now america's got a choice. and you put it to a choice. and when you put it to a two race, the numbers two person race, the numbers look completely different. >> up. so >> so you're not giving up. so you're giving up. you're not giving up. >> not. the >> absolutely not. because the other you have to take other thing, you have to take a look at nigel, not only when is a person race. the numbers a two person race. the numbers look a lot different, but you also president also got a former president donald right wrong. but donald trump right or wrong. but this government's weaponized against him. he's in legal jeopardy. place. jeopardy. all over the place. you better a strong second you better have a strong second place right or place person right now or a strong alternative person right now, so that all of a sudden trump can't be on the ballot. you've got somebody who can step in be the ballot. in and be on the ballot. >> okay, so you're desperate for him to make the last two then basically. what's that? you're desperate that he makes the last two. oh, i definitely believe he makes the last two. two. oh, i definitely believe he ma and he last two. two. oh, i definitely believe he ma and so last two. two. oh, i definitely believe he ma and so because i think, you >> and so because i think, you know, nikki may have a little bit a that will shine know, nikki may have a little bitnew that will shine know, nikki may have a little bitnew hampshire.vill shine know, nikki may have a little bitnew hampshire. ill shine know, nikki may have a little bitnew hampshire. i don't|e know, nikki may have a little bitnew hampshire. i don't think in new hampshire. i don't think she'll she'll have a she'll win, but she'll have a light shine. she's going light to shine. but she's going to in her home state to get crushed in her home state of south carolina. and when you get crushed in your state get crushed in your home state of south you can't go get crushed in your home state of syour you can't go get crushed in your home state of syou lost you can't go get crushed in your home state of syou lost your you can't go get crushed in your home state of syou lost your home:an't go

get crushed in your home state of syou lost your home state. 0 on. you lost your home state. yeah when believe yeah that's when i believe desantis makes stand very, desantis makes his stand very, very interesting. >> we've some good >> well, we've given some good balance on this program this evening. love about evening. and what i love about all this is the energy, the engagement, sense that engagement, the sense that democracy is real and alive in america. >> iowans take this very serious. they're very savvy, and they believe they have a country worth fighting for. and so if i'm disappointed, anything last night, it's that the turnout numbers weren't where i want them to be. >> but the weather was ghastly. >> but the weather was ghastly. >> could be the >> yeah, it could be the weather. iowans are a tough weather. but iowans are a tough lot. still think lot. yeah. uh, i still think that should add more shelter. that we should add more shelter. >> well, i did hear reports of people literally being snowed in in the rural areas. so in some of the rural areas. so i don't bob, pleasure don't know. sure. bob, pleasure to on the program. to have you on the program. pleasure get the ron desantis pleasure to get the ron desantis point of view. now, i am hoping and praying moines and praying that des moines airport operational airport is fully operational this and i can this afternoon. and i can actually have a much better journey had getting journey home than i had getting here. i hope join you live here. so i hope to join you live tomorrow evening at 7:00 uk time here. so i hope to join you live t

on gb news is . good evening, on gb news is. good evening, alex burkill here with your latest gb news weather forecast. >> it is going to be cold tonight. and with that the risk of some harsh frost, icy patches and little bit further snow and a little bit of further snow . pressure system across . a low pressure system across northern parts of the uk today brought some significant snow here. however, the worst of that is clearing away towards the east with just some outbreaks of rain, sleet snow pushing rain, sleet or snow pushing their southwards their way southwards across parts northern central parts of northern central england and wales. as go england and wales. as we go through evening through this evening and overnight, this breaking overnight, most of this breaking up, goes further up, though, as it goes further north, clearer skies for many , north, clearer skies for many, but some snow showers feeding in particularly northern parts particularly to northern parts of under those clear of scotland under those clear skies, plummeting skies, temperatures plummeting some fall into some places could fall into negative double figures, so a widespread, harsh frost and some icy to watch out for as icy patches to watch out for as we go through wednesday. there is a system towards the south of us. a bit of us. this may bring a bit of rain, perhaps sleet or snow rain, perhaps some sleet or snow to southern counties , to immediate southern counties, but most of us it is but for most of us it is actually going stay largely

actually going to stay largely dry. winter dry. plenty of winter sunshine on tomorrow, but there on offer tomorrow, but there will be some snow showers feeding on brisk feeding down on a brisk northerly mainly affecting northerly wind, mainly affecting northern scotland. despite the sunshine, going to sunshine, though, it is going to feel temperatures generally feel cold temperatures generally only degrees above only getting a few degrees above freezing. fine sunny freezing. more fine sunny weather to come as we go through thursday, stick with that thursday, but we stick with that brisk wind so more brisk northerly wind so more snow across northern snow showers across northern parts of scotland, perhaps northern ireland and some western and eastern coastal parts wintry parts could see some wintry showers for a time. most inland areas, though staying dry and fine with more fine weather to come as we go through friday. but windier but turning wet, windier and milder the weekend . milder by the weekend. >> a brighter outlook with box solar, sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> hello! good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nafion jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation . tonight the latest nation. tonight the latest chapter of the rwanda plan is written as the house of commons debated and voted on amendments moments ago . the rebels have moments ago. the rebels have spoken. 68 voted in favour of sir bill's cash amendment, including the now former deputy chairman of the party, leander varne, and brendan clarke—smith, who resigned in protest. i was the teller for them. but what does this mean for tomorrow's vote on the bill? as expected, donald trump has wiped the floor with his opponents in the republican primary, with joe biden polling at a record low , biden polling at a record low, is there any stopping a dramatic

return for the controversial former president ? tens of former president? tens of billions of pounds of your hard earned taxes are being wasted in whitehall, the chief of the whitehall, with the chief of the national audit office warning mps about government inefficiency. comes after inefficiency. this comes after the revelation that the mayor of london has spent over £100 million on pointless schemes, including police personality tests and beach parties. state of the nation starts now. i'll also be joined by most rambunctious panel this evening. recalcitrant journalist and author michael crick, and the alleged barrister and former tory mp jerry hayes. alleged barrister and former tory mp jerry hayes . as always, tory mp jerry hayes. as always, i want hear from you. as you know, it's a crucial part of the programme. email me mailmogg@gbnews.com . but now mailmogg@gbnews.com. but now what? you've all been waiting for the news with polly middlehurst. >> jacob, thank you and good

evening to you.