to provide muslim compelled to provide muslim prayer rooms . prayer rooms. >> and more bad news for the government? inflation has gone up. surprisingly, it's been announced this morning by the chancellor, jeremy hunt. it's gone up to 4. the chancellor says government's plan is says the government's plan is still working and snow and ice warning scotland recorded its coldest night of the winter so far as temperatures dropped as low as —41. >> the big freeze continues across the uk. are you being affected by it ? affected by it? lots of great debate topics this morning. we really want to know what you think of all of these. i find that prince william breaking ties with the church . breaking ties with the church. >> imagine how his grandmother would have reacted . her faith would have reacted. her faith was important. but prince was so important. but prince william to church on william only goes to church on christmas day and easter with the family for show. effectively i'm afraid, he reflects the view of many, many people of his age

who don't go to church. church attendance is countries in an historic low. >> is . could it be that he's >> it is. could it be that he's modernising the royal family in that way? >> well, course, on the other >> well, of course, on the other side, we've the school side, we've got the school where the are the muslim children are demanding to pray demanding the right to pray because otherwise it contravenes their apparently their human rights. apparently let thoughts let us know your thoughts gbviews@gbnews.com. let us know your thoughts gb swallow bnews.com. let us know your thoughts gb swallow this vs.com. let us know your thoughts gb swallow this morning. let us know your thoughts gbswallow this morning. first to swallow this morning. first though, latest news though, your very latest news with sophia . with sophia. >> thanks , bev. good morning. >> thanks, bev. good morning. it's 931. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. another crucial vote on the controversial rwanda plan will be held later. a day after the prime minister faced a major rebellion. his deputy chairs, lee anderson and brendan clarke—smith , quit after backing clarke—smith, quit after backing proposals to toughen up the bill around 60 tory mps supported an amendment which would prevent uk and international law from stopping or delaying the removal of illegal migrants. the amendment was rejected. mps will now continue debating proposed changes , with the bill set to be

changes, with the bill set to be put to a vote after illegal migration. minister michael tomlinson says despite differences, everyone in the party wants the plan to go forward . forward. >> you look down at it and when you look at the detail and what my colleagues were saying, they all man and to a woman want all to a man and to a woman want this policy to work. almost every single speech starts with we policy to work. and we want this policy to work. and that's the determination that we have. yes, there are differences . yes, there are shades. but if there is an inch between us on there is an inch between us on the conservative benches, there's a mile between us and there's a mile between us and the labour party because the labour even you labour party can't even tell you what plan they don't what their plan is. they don't have a plan to tackle illegal migration on. prime minister migration on. the prime minister does. determined to does. and he's determined to stop will that stop the boats and will do that with this bill. >> inflation unexpectedly rose to 4% last month. the office for national statistics says the increase was driven by higher tobacco and alcohol prices. there were some relief for households, though, with food rising at a slower rate and the cost of petrol falling. chancellor jeremy cost of petrol falling. chancellorjeremy hunt insists chancellor jeremy hunt insists

the government's plan to fix the economy working . economy is working. >> inflation never falls in a straight line we can see from the rest of the world. it's gone up france, the united states up in france, the united states and eurozone, but here in and the eurozone, but here in the uk it was 11.1% when rishi sunak became prime minister. it's more than halved. it's still nearly a percentage point lower than where the office for budget responsibility predicted it would be only in the autumn statement in november. so we have a plan. we've taken very difficult decisions to bring inflation down. that plan is working and fujitsu is being urged to make an initial £10 million payment to a fund for victims of the horizon scandal. >> it's after the company's europe director admitted there was a moral obligation to contribute . paul patterson contribute. paul patterson apologised for the appalling miscarriage of justice when he appeared before mps yesterday . appeared before mps yesterday. hundreds of subpostmasters were convicted and wrongly accused of theft because of a fault in the it system . fujitsu is being it system. fujitsu is being asked to make an initial payment

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>> of course, of this parish. and clarke—smith, who and brendan clarke—smith, who backed the right backed proposals from the right of party toughen the of the party to toughen up the bill. to stop appeal bill. they want to stop appeal calls that because, you know what's happening, rights what's happening, human rights is crawl all over is going to crawl all over this stuff. they stop all appeals. >> that's right. so six key tory mps there or there abouts. we've got a list of them supported this amendment which would prevent the uk and international law from stopping or delaying the removal illegal immigrant the removal of illegal immigrant s. we're expecting the final vote go ahead today now, vote to go ahead late today now, and we call the third and it's what we call the third reading. >> it's the final stage of the bill. now, if that is defeated , bill. now, if that is defeated, the authority of the prime minister will be shot to pieces. >> so this is one of those stories where people at home will be going. all a bit will be going. it's all a bit it's a bit complicated. i it's all a bit complicated. i mean, i've been thinking that this morning. right. all this morning. right. it's all a bit complicated. this, bit complicated. all of this, uh, kind of procedural. it uh, legal kind of procedural. it feels very procedural, this story. implications are story. but the implications are huge. will mean for huge. what will it mean for rishi if doesn't get rishi sunak if this doesn't get voted through? rishi sunak if this doesn't get voted he 'ough? rishi sunak if this doesn't get voted he loses’ rishi sunak if this doesn't get voted he loses that labour >> if he loses that bill, labour will table a confidence vote. i

imagine enable imagine that will enable tory mps rally behind him. mps to rally around behind him. but prime tory prime but but prime tory prime minister, faced a confidence minister, who faced a confidence vote, mrs. thatcher, was vote, mrs. thatcher, she was gone year later boris johnson, gone a year later boris johnson, he gone. uh, it's the end. gone a year later boris johnson, he the gone. uh, it's the end. gone a year later boris johnson, he the end e. uh, it's the end. gone a year later boris johnson, he the end ofuh, it's the end. gone a year later boris johnson, he the end of days. s the end. gone a year later boris johnson, he the end of days. so 1e end. gone a year later boris johnson, he the end of days. so it end. so the end of days. so it triggers a confidence vote in him a as as a leader, the him as a as a as a leader, the prime minister, because they say he's lost a flagship piece of legislation tories legislation and but all tories will behind 1 or 2 will will rally behind 1 or 2 will might, might abstain. it might, might abstain. but it would would it would be for would it would it would be for me the beginning of the of me the beginning of the end of this prime and then we this prime minister. and then we would either limp into a general election with or do they election with him, or do they then him and then we then replace him and then we have i want, as have a fourth, which i want, as you know, since the general election, i the idea election, i like the idea of that i wonder how that plan b, i just wonder how many mps if it is a busted flush i >> -- >> you saw the telegraph, the gone, the dawn obliterated, and if that's the then just if that's the case, then just throw whatever and throw whatever you've got and say means kicking out and say it means kicking him out and getting someone in bed do it. getting someone in bed to do it. >> i'd lay money that they >> but i'd lay money that they won't. win the vote won't. he will win the vote tonight because the argument will though it's flawed, will be even though it's flawed, they'd a flawed they'd rather have a flawed rwanda bill at rwanda bill than no bill at all. but also of them cannot

but also a lot of them cannot face the thought another face the thought of another leadership to leadership contest so close to a general election. >> well, then they better just get to the idea that get used to the idea that they're losing all they're going to face losing all of seats. of their seats. >> because remember the >> yeah, because remember the poll monday which suggested >> yeah, because remember the poll the monday which suggested >> yeah, because remember the poll the toriesy which suggested >> yeah, because remember the poll the tories would| suggested >> yeah, because remember the poll the tories would lose gested >> yeah, because remember the poll the tories would lose byted that the tories would lose by would lose 200 seats, labour would lose 200 seats, labour would have a majority of 120 and reform major factor in reform uk are a major factor in all . we're reform uk are a major factor in all .we're going to be all of that. we're going to be talking to a leader of reform in a moment. um , uh, a moment. uh, and, um, uh, talking which, he's here. talking of which, he's here. >> good morning to you both. >> good morning to you both. >> good morning to you both. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> there's a whole of noise >> there's a whole load of noise about this vote this evening. >> i think >> i'm with you, andrew. i think that of this noise and hot that all of this noise and hot air, actually, it's like the troops being marched up to the top of the and then top of the hill. and then they're all bottle it when it comes those 60 who comes to it all those 60 who voted for amendment voted for the amendment last night, of those will night, how many of those will actually vote against this evening ? i suspect will be evening? i suspect it will be less than double figures. it'll be just a handful and it'll be very interesting to see people like lee anderson brendan clarke—smith . i mean, lee said . clarke—smith. i mean, lee said. and he's, you know, he's he's a man of principle. he said that

he finds it hard to vote for something he doesn't believe in. will vote for it tonight or will he vote for it tonight or will he actually abstain? i mean, in a sense, he should vote against it, but i don't think they will because the last thing they will because the last thing they want to do is trigger an early general election because they to get, they know they're going to get, quite , uh, ousted. quite rightly, uh, ousted. >> i wrote about in the >> i wrote about this in the mail one of the things mail today. one of the things that if you that whips was saying, if you vote it, mate, there's vote against it, mate, there's a general election very soon. they'd rather have another nine months of getting paid months of their of getting paid and, uh, nine months. >> the thing about all of >> but the thing about all of this is the whole thing is a complete dead cat, red herring. because even if it does all go through, then the reality is it's not a deterrent . we know it's not a deterrent. we know it's not a deterrent. we know it's not a deterrent. we know it's not a deterrent because only a few hundred would go there. already this year , in there. and already this year, in freezing cold weather, hundreds of illegal migrants have made that dangerous trip. tragically, five people have already lost their lives this year. it proves in horrific tragedy it's not a deterrent. they should just give

it up. this whole thing, this will only stop when someone who is leading this country has the courage and the guts and the spine to say, we're picking up and we're taking back to france. thatis and we're taking back to france. that is the only thing that will stop it. >> do you suggesting, do you think it might be you? well, i'll tell you what. >> no at the moment is >> no one else at the moment is saying this. we're entitled to do it under international treaties. them. know treaties. i've read them. i know the the leaders of the clauses, but the leaders of the clauses, but the leaders of the and the labour party, the tories and the labour party, they're utterly spineless on this. know it works because this. we know it works because it worked in australia. >> it would very much sour the champagne week champagne in davos this week that kind talk. that kind of talk. >> i know, i know >> oh i know, i know, i know i turned down an invitation. >> you'll be pleased to know right. >> quite right now stay with us because going talk now because we're going to talk now to richard graham who's the tory mp for gloucester. he's part mp for gloucester. now he's part of um. oh, there's many of the, um. oh, there's so many groups. are you, groups. which lot are you, richard? you're the richard? remind us you're the you're the conservative. you're the one nation conservatives as opposed wing opposed to the right wing tories. today tories. so your position today i'm mp. i'm a conservative mp. >> . >> full stop. >> full stop. >> okay fine. >> okay fine. >> conservative mps don't try and divide us okay.

>> but we've got today. we've got a pretty good job of that yourselves. we've got the former attorney, the former lord chancellor um, chancellor of robert. um, i buckland you . buckland. buckland thank you. buckland. he's tabling an amendment today. which are which are are you going support that ? going to support that? >> i'm supporting the government . and that's what all conservative mps should be doing. we need to get this bill through so that we can get some people rwanda. the people back to rwanda. the deterrent place and move on. deterrent in place and move on. >> what about so what about richard tice it isn't richard tice point? it isn't going work. it's only going to work. it's only going to hundred people at to be a few hundred people at best. there will will be. best. there will there will be. it bedevilled by appeals it will be bedevilled by appeals from human rights lawyers. and the government is not willing to stop that happening. they had a chance. they could have accepted the amendment yesterday they didn't. >> so, i mean, richard tice is in the same position as the labour party. both say it labour party. they both say it won't and let's prove them won't work and let's prove them wrong . wrong. >> richard, are home and security editor mark white has been down to calais and he's interviewed people waiting there to jump on these boats. and

apparently the idea of rwanda being a deterrent is a source of great comedy to people who are down there waiting to get across here for all sorts of reasons. they believe that they can just use an excuse when they arrive here to not get on that aeroplane, be it whatever their mental health, their mental well—being is one of the reasons they could cite they get a letter from the gp to say this person isn't fit to fly. they're going to be so distressed they'll take their own life, etc. the bar is so low on the appeals process that even the asylum themselves, the asylum seekers themselves, the refugees, economic refugees, as the economic migrants, whatever you want to call they think call them, they think it's a joke. do you have any evidence that it be deterrent? yes. >> look at the migration >> well, look at the migration watch report. is crucial . watch report. that is crucial. they very clear that they made it very clear that they this would a they thought this would be a powerful deterrent. and frankly, if it wasn't going to be a deterrent, then what's all the fuss about? because from labour's point of view, if everybody comes here and they'll all be to get through with all be able to get through with legal help, they're various. you

know, largely made up know, much largely made up excuses , then they wouldn't be excuses, then they wouldn't be worried about this at all. so i think that frankly, there's a lot of wild speculation from people with political agendas of their own, whether it's labour reform or anybody else. this this will have a considerable impact. we should get on and do it every conservative mp wants to see it happen, so let's do it. and by the way, it will happen. confident that . happen. i'm confident of that. >> i agree with you, but >> i think i agree with you, but what tice his what about richard tice his point, that it's quite point, richard, that it's quite simple. they were in power, simple. if they were in power, if he was prime minister, he would order the boats to be turned back. that's what happenedin turned back. that's what happened in australia. says happened in australia. he says he's the international he's read the international treaties. we can do it. we've got laws now. is he right? got the laws now. is he right? and right, why don't we and if he is right, why don't we do it now? >> he's completely wrong. of course, in course, on the situation in australia completely australia is completely different. very different different. it's a very different sea. not major traffic sea. it's not a major traffic point for huge international shipping . point for huge international shipping. um, he's no point for huge international shipping . um, he's no better, to shipping. um, he's no better, to be honest , than several of my be honest, than several of my constituents in a pub who think they everything, they can solve everything, including gaza uh,

including inflation. gaza uh, the red sea, you name it. over a couple of pints. it's not real politics at all. and by the way, the whole business about individual human rights is incredibly important to a whole number of things. we share intelligence our allies on intelligence with our allies on the basis of absolutely identical approaches to individual human rights. and how that intelligence is required . that intelligence is required. if we're going to abandon international law for every individual just like that , individual just like that, through one of these amendments, the consequence bigger the consequence is a much bigger than many people understand. >> um , can we bring richard >> um, can we bring richard tice? richard, i want your reaction that, because that's reaction to that, because that's quite scathing criticism. your quite a scathing criticism. your opinion than opinion is no better than a bloke in the pub, of course, which is entitled his view. which is entitled to his view. >> the reality america is >> but the reality is america is not of the echr, nor is not a member of the echr, nor is canada, nor is australia. they practice human rights. we invented rights. we don't invented human rights. we don't need overseas foreign need some overseas foreign political what political judges telling us what to i've read the treaties, to do. i've read the treaties, richard. exact richard. i know the exact clauses under which proper leadership would pick these people out of the people up safely out of the boats , them to france. boats, take them back to france. and would stop the business and this would stop the business model within a couple of weeks.

your lot, you haven't your lot, you just haven't got the and spine to do it. the guts and the spine to do it. >> richard respond . >> richard respond. >> richard respond. >> fantastic . he loves >> it's fantastic. he loves a bit of rhetoric. he can rant with the best of them, put himself up as a candidate to oppose me in gloucester and let's see what happens. >> but he's he's got >> but he's got he's got a constituency in hartlepool and i think rather confident up there. >> but also, richard, i find that really interesting because he constituency at all. >> he's a candidate. >> he's a candidate. >> richard, richard graham, >> but richard, richard graham, you heard richard tice talk about you came back about the law and you came back with a personal attack. >> what ? talk law. why >> what? talk about the law. why is wrong in of the is he wrong in terms of the clauses in legislation ? clauses in that legislation? ian, listen , we've got all sorts ian, listen, we've got all sorts of commitments in domestic law in the echr law. >> and remember, the echr was something that we created. churchill created it. and in international law as well . we international law as well. we are at the moment, you've using missiles against the houthis in nonh missiles against the houthis in north yemen who have launched drone and missile attacks on international shipping, trying to go through the gulf of aden and our argument is that it is

our responsibility with allies to make sure that the freedom of the seas, that international law is absolutely maintained . you is absolutely maintained. you cannot, at the one hand invoke international law when it suits you and totally disregard it when it doesn't suit. >> i'm sorry. this is, by the way, this is something for richard tice to consider in. >> imagine a woman searah ously ill with a difficult pregnancy. kc being put on a flight to rwanda and dying halfway on that journey . imagine what the impact journey. imagine what the impact on the british public of that would be. >> hey, listen, listen, i'm i'm not in favour of the rwanda policy, but your responsibility as a government is to your responsibility is protect and responsibility is to protect and defend british citizens first and foremost. >> you failing in that >> and you are failing in that responsibility. you bang on about international law and it's ridic huw when you're not ridic huw thomas when you're not defending citizens . defending british citizens. >> that's an >> i think that's an extraordinary sort of insult . extraordinary sort of insult. tell me, which british citizen in gloucester i have never defended, protected stood up for. >> but what we're hearing,

richard richard graham, i've got to come back. >> i'm sorry, i'm sorry. richard. richard, people are coming across on the on those boats. some of them are committing crimes. boats. some of them are committing crimes . they are committing crimes. they are committing crimes. they are committing violent acts . rape, committing violent acts. rape, torture , drug dealing and torture, drug dealing and tragically , murder. that's about tragically, murder. that's about defending british citizens and protecting us. and you are failing. and some of those who are coming over are people who've come from utterly dire situations in syria. >> and afghanis varne some of them were even working with britain and our allies in afghanistan , and therefore there afghanistan, and therefore there has to be a sensible process for deciding who can stay and who has to go back. >> so they're more important than british citizens, are they? aren't they? >> don't be absurd. obviously, the rwanda gives us a way the rwanda option gives us a way of processing asylum claims in a third country, which several other countries in europe are looking at. it's a policy that will almost certainly go forward, and you should accept that most people in this country actually want to see the whole

asylum process, including and the rwanda option, and that's what we will pass this evening. >> richard graham, just very briefly, you talk about international treaties, but every one of those asylum every single one of those asylum seekers as seekers or economic refugees, as i would call them, many of them who are crossing the channel, they're breaking the law when they're breaking the law when they british they set foot on british soil, they're the law to the point. >> richard tice is making. turn them back because they're breaking the law . breaking the law. >> listen, is going to put >> listen, who is going to put a small boat , >> listen, who is going to put a small boat, which is almost certainly going to be in danger in the weather for about half the year. back onto the sea with the year. back onto the sea with the possibility of those people dying in it. it's not what the royal navy is going to do under any government, and it's not what i'm suggesting. >> richard. it's listen to what i'm saying. you pick up out of the boats, you put them in the border cutters you border force cutters and you take back dunkirk and calais. >> i honestly not really here to be rented out by another politician elected . politician who's elected. >> well, we appreciate your time . richard graham, this morning. you an extremely popular you are an extremely popular local constituents mp, and i

think you do a brilliant job in your area of gloucester. but i like to see the debate and that , like to see the debate and that, frankly, is the kind of debate that we have not seen enough, enough of . enough of. >> and just just be clear, clarify. richard tice, how you would do it so that at the moment, at the moment, physically, what happens is people are safely taken out of the dinghies onto the border force cutters. >> that's right. i've been out there in the middle of the channel i've seen it happen. they then taken to dover. they are then taken to dover. >> them. they take them >> it takes them. they take them to dover. >> what they should do is take them to dunkirk, calais, them to dunkirk, in calais, which entitled to do which they're entitled to do under law. that's under international law. that's the key difference. >> i think. think i find >> i think. i think what i find most distressing that most distressing about that conversation when conversation actually, is when we're what to do we're talking about what to do here nationally, domestically . here nationally, domestically. and response is and richard graham's response is to talk about the red sea and to talk about the houthis and to talk about the houthis and to talk about. and i know that's important. the important. we've got to keep the trade going. seen the trade going. we've seen the inflation this morning, trade going. we've seen the infl.it's1 this morning, trade going. we've seen the infl.it's that this morning, trade going. we've seen the infl.it's that kindiis morning, trade going. we've seen the infl.it's that kind of morning, trade going. we've seen the infl.it's that kind of detachment but it's that kind of detachment that from those in power the that from those in power at the moment and people who live

moment and the people who live in this country, i've never seen such a big gap between what's important to people. >> we've got talk >> we've got to talk about something richard something else. richard it's been interesting talk been always interesting to talk to you. richard tice never a dull moment with richard tice sister. been sister. now, schools have been closed. facing closed. travellers facing disruption. lot disruption. there's been a lot of across the uk today. of snow across the uk today. >> met office yellow >> the met office yellow warnings and ice are in warnings for snow and ice are in place for scotland. much of place for scotland. not much of northern north wales northern england and north wales throughout will is throughout today. will hollis is in . good morning will in merseyside. good morning will looking a little looking like you've got a little smattering of snow there but it's to worse isn't it i >> -- >> yes. well the met office has just released some new weather warnings. this time they've upgraded it in parts of the uk and the south of england. there's a there's a yellow weather warning that's just come into place for parts of cornwall. but the main worry is further north in scotland , where further north in scotland, where they've just put in amber they've just put in two amber weather for snow and weather warnings for snow and ice. that's an upgrade ice. so that's an upgrade showing the severity of this cold arctic air that we've had for over the last couple of days. the good news here in wallasey and merseyside is that

it didn't really snow overnight . it didn't really snow overnight. this just a lot of the snow this is just a lot of the snow that's left and has been compacted. but it mean that compacted. but it did mean that a dozen , a few dozen schools had a dozen, a few dozen schools had to close about 100 or so schools closed, closed up in scotland . closed, closed up in scotland. so there has been an effect of this cold arctic air. it has affected network rail a little bit, which has said that some of their services have have to be have had to have been running on speed, reduced tracks , something speed, reduced tracks, something that they often do in cold temperatures as well as in exceedingly hot temperatures as well. the good news is that while these yellow and amber weather warnings will last until thursday , the warmer weather is thursday, the warmer weather is on the way. not so much more. more warmer weather, but more like milder weather. and then not so good news is that we're going to have stormy weather at the end of the week. at the end of the weekend. so right now there's a lot of ice on the roads, there's a lot of ice on the pavement. so that is a real risk. the hsi, that's the risk. the uk hsi, that's the health security agency has an

amber health alert for cold weather, meaning that vulnerable people of people are at risk because of the temperatures that are close to freezing, if not below freezing overnight . we had the freezing overnight. we had the coldest temperature of winter so far, not quite the coldest since 2010. as forecasters expected, but still pretty chilly despite the sun that's bright in my face right now . right now. >> all right. thank you. will >> all right. thank you. will >> will hollister in merseyside . >> will hollister in merseyside. and there's really bad in scotland apparently it's always at this time you expect you expect bad weather in scotland though don't you. >> part of charm of >> it's part of the charm of scotland. sit by the fire scotland. right. sit by the fire watch news dawn till dusk. watch gb news dawn till dusk. >> you think you're a >> kilt. do you think you're a scottish man in weather? scottish man in arctic weather? >> no. right. you've been getting at you getting in touch at home. you probably actually. probably would, actually. they're they? they're tough, aren't they? james said. what about james has said. what about catholic students jewish catholic students or jewish students? to students? it's impossible to have for every have prayer rooms for every religion. is this religion. and this is this story. it's in the high court this week. yeah. britain's strictest head. making strictest head. she's making a point doesn't want to point that she doesn't want to provide specifically. provide a room specifically. >> and the parents have objected

because the children have them praying there, putting their jackets or their jumpers on the playground, the floor of the playground, on the floor of the playground, on the floor of the playground, praying. and they're getting they're getting grubby and they're saying they're being discriminate against, but there's prayer room in the there's no prayer room in the school for christians . school for christians. >> correct. >> correct. >> and catholic school, comprehensive jewish school. there was no there wasn't a prayer room. >> well, john has said they don't let us. >> i guess he means non—muslims practice our religions in in muslim been muslim countries. i've been there many times, kim says . i there many times, kim says. i think should pray at home think they should pray at home before they before school and work. they came uk or some of them, came to the uk or some of them, of course, have been born of course, will have been born here rome, know, do here when in rome, you know, do as romans do. and suella as the romans do. and suella says, um, suella says, this makes me so angry. is makes me so angry. this is not a muslim country. why do so many muslims get they can't muslims get upset if they can't have room in school? have a prayer room in a school? there mosques in there are so many mosques in london i live, they almost london where i live, they almost outnumber churches and synagogues. of synagogues. no, no no. and of course, the head teacher's point is that, and can is that, um, chris and kids can sit desk or they can sit at their desk or they can just sit in the playground and put their heads together. >> can't the muslim kids do >> why can't the muslim kids do the going to be

the same? that's all going to be thrashed out in court and the one is if the school loses, one view is if the school loses, it could be a requirement then for every public building to have , which i think, i think have, which i think, i think that's almost already in law . that's almost already in law. >> but anyway, lots to talk about this morning. don't go anywhere. the north england anywhere. the north of england isn't the only place in a deep freeze. ice. freeze. stormont remains on ice. the dup refused to vote for a speaken the dup refused to vote for a speaker. we're going to have arlene foster a brighter outlook with solar sponsors of with boxt solar sponsors of weather . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> good morning. welcome to your latest gb news weather update with me, annie shuttleworth from the met office . it's a very cold the met office. it's a very cold start out there today and it will be a cold start through the rest the week, but we do have rest of the week, but we do have snow ice warnings in force. snow and ice warnings in force. this area low pressure to the this area of low pressure to the south the uk could bring south of the uk could bring a dusting of snow over the next few across the south few hours across the south coast, but is some coast, but there is some uncertainty that still. but uncertainty in that still. but for many of us, going to be for many of us, it's going to be a dry day, but will stay cold a dry day, but it will stay cold through much of below through much of the day. below freezing for northern

freezing for some northern areas, there areas, particularly where there is snow cover. so do is already any snow cover. so do take care of your travelling because the north and because across the north and west ice on west there's likely to be ice on the little bit milder the roads, a little bit milder and lighter winds in south, and lighter winds in the south, so badin and lighter winds in the south, so bad in the sunshine. so not too bad in the sunshine. similar feel to and similar feel to monday and tuesday here then throughout tuesday here and then throughout tonight that rain tonight we'll see that rain across south clear away. we across the south clear away. we could snow risk, sleet could see that snow risk, sleet risk the parts of kent. risk to the parts of kent. generally. it should stay cloudy and will be a crisp and it will be a clear crisp night of the night for the rest of the country snow showers will country though snow showers will move in to parts of wales, eastern areas of england and north scotland, well north eastern scotland, as well as northern ireland, northern scotland going scotland as well. and it's going to be a very, very cold start on thursday morning. we could be down low as minus 15 or even down as low as minus 15 or even —18 in some scottish glen, so it's going to a very cold day it's going to be a very cold day on thursday. but a crisp and clear day plenty winter clear day plenty of winter sunshine south it will sunshine further south it will be warmer once again with lighter winds and the best of the sunshine, but snow showers will into the will continue to move into the north. a change on the north. there's a change on the way by the weekend though, as things turn much more unsettled and later! have and milder. see you later! have and milder. see you later! have

a day! a great day! >> feeling inside and >> that warm feeling inside and from boxt boilers , sponsors of from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on gb news . weather on gb news. >> i'm christopher hope and i'm gloria de piero bringing you pmqs live here on gb news. every wednesday we'll bring you live coverage of prime minister's questions. when rishi sunak and sir keir starmer go head to head in the house of commons, we'll be asking our viewers and listeners to submit the questions that they would like to put to the prime minister and we'll that to our of we'll put that to our panel of top politicians in our westminster that's pmqs westminster studio. that's pmqs live here on gb news. britain's election channel. >> that was brilliant. last week, that show, it was absolutely brilliant. we've got that today as well at lunchtime. up that today as well at lunchtime. up next though, rishi sunak's premiership it's in crisis. is it. is it. if he refuses to toughen up the rwanda legislation . legislation. >> well it is if he loses the

anyway . okay. anyway. okay. >> good morning. it's 10:00 anyway. okay. >> good morning. it's10:00 on wednesday the 17th of january. i forgot it was my turn. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with me, bev turner and andrew pierce. >> tory's quitting. 60 right wing conservative mps rebelled against rishi rwanda against rishi sunak's rwanda plan. deputy party chairman. plan. two deputy party chairman. they both resigned a muslim prayer ban. >> a top london school run by britain's strictest head is in

the high court this week. why? well, because muslim pupils want a special place to pray, the head has said no to this request, but could this see all pubuc request, but could this see all public buildings being legally compelled to provide muslim prayer rooms? what do you think ? prayer rooms? what do you think? >> and there's been a surprising rise in inflation. it's been announced this morning. chancellor jeremy announced this morning. chancellorjeremy hunt insists chancellor jeremy hunt insists the government's plan is still working, despite it going up to 4. booze and fags is the reason and a return to stormont. >> the race is on for the northern ireland assembly to elect a new speaker as the deadune elect a new speaker as the deadline to restore the devolved government looms . government looms. we've got dame arlene foster in the studio to discuss that in just a moment. i've been thinking about this muslim prayer in schools issue. i think it's about the fact that i don't like the division. i don't like more and more reasons to divide people and to divide kids in

schools. shouldn't it just be one rule for all of them? a secular school really , i think. secular school really, i think. let us know your thoughts. vaiews@gbnews.com. first though, your very latest news with sophia wenzler. though, your very latest news with sophia wenzler . thanks bev. with sophia wenzler. thanks bev. >> good morning. it's 10:01. with sophia wenzler. thanks bev. >> good morning. it's10:01. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. another the crucial vote on the controversial rwanda plan will be held later a day after the prime minister faced a major rebellion. his deputy chairs, lee anderson and brendan clarke—smith, quit after backing proposals to toughen up the bill. around 60 tory mps supported an amendment which would prevent uk and international law from stopping or delaying the removal of illegal migrants. the amendment was rejected . mps will now was rejected. mps will now continue debating proposed changes, with the bill set to be put to a vote after illegal migration minister michael tomlinson says despite differences, everyone in the party wants to plan to go ahead. >> and when you look down at it

and when you look at the detail and when you look at the detail and what my colleagues are saying, they all to a man and to a woman want this policy to work almost every single speech started want this started with, we want this policy work. and that's the policy to work. and that's the determination that we have . yes, determination that we have. yes, there are differences. yes, there are differences. yes, there are differences. yes, there are shades, there there are shades, but if there is inch between us on the is an inch between us on the conservative benches, there's a mile between us and the labour party because the labour party can't what their can't even tell you what their plan is. they don't have a plan to tackle illegal migration. the prime minister does, and he's determined the boats and determined to stop the boats and will do that with this bill. >> now, inflation unexpectedly rose to 4% last month. the office for national statistics says the increase was driven by higher tobacco and alcohol prices. there was some relief for households, though, with food rising at slower rates and the cost of petrol falling . the cost of petrol falling. chancellor hunt insists chancellor jeremy hunt insists the government's plan to fix the economy is working. >> inflation never falls in a straight line. we can see from the rest of the world. it's gone up in france, the united states and the eurozone, but here in

the uk was 11.1% when rishi the uk it was 11.1% when rishi sunak became prime minister. it's more than halved. it's still nearly a percentage point lower than where the office for budget responsibility predicted it would be. only in the autumn statement in november. so we have a plan. we've taken very difficult decisions to bring inflation down. that plan is working . working. >> meanwhile, shadow culture secretary thangam debbonaire says the government still isn't doing enough to bring the numbers down. >> inflation has gone up and my heart goes out to the people who already at the moment are working out. how can i get to the end of the month? do you know they probably didn't. know what they probably didn't. your didn't your viewers probably didn't need to the figures know need to see the figures to know what happening, they what was happening, because they can add they can work it in can add they can work it out in their own finances. it's so desperately to desperately disappointing to see a just doesn't a government that just doesn't seem want to anymore. seem to want to govern anymore. that's are that's what governments are supposed i don't hear supposed to do. i don't hear a peep rishi sunak, but this peep from rishi sunak, but this week prime minister or any of his about how they're

his ministers about how they're deaung his ministers about how they're dealing that dealing with the problems that are working are actually facing working people up down this country . people up and down this country. >> fujitsu is being urged to make an initial £10 million payment to a fund for victims of the horizon scandal . it's after the horizon scandal. it's after the horizon scandal. it's after the company's europe director admitted there was a moral obugafion admitted there was a moral obligation to contribute. paul patterson apologised for the appalling miscarriage of justice when he appeared before mps yesterday. hundreds of subpostmasters were convicted and wrongly accused of theft because of a fault in the it system . fujitsu is being asked system. fujitsu is being asked to make an initial payment by the end of this month. undercover police officers are wearing luxury watches as part of an operation to catch out thieves video released by the met police shows robbers trying to lure the apparent victims into a false sense of security before trying to steal the items . other undercover officers then pounce , apprehending the pounce, apprehending the offenders . two operations were offenders. two operations were carried out in wealthy london boroughs, leading to more than 20 convictions. met commander for intelligence ben russell says the police tactics are

working . working. >> we think this is organised crime, but it's pretty opportunistic . so there are opportunistic. so there are groups of young men, mainly in their 20s and 30s, hanging around outside bars and clubs, spotting people , and they know spotting people, and they know what they're looking for. >> temperatures plummeted overnight, with some parts of the uk seeing record lows. —13 degrees was recorded in central scotland. forecasters initially predicted temperatures could fall to —15, which would have been the coldest in january for 14 years. the met office says freezing temperatures and snow will continue this week and potentially disruptive stormy weather will end next week . this weather will end next week. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to andrew and . bev. very back to andrew and. bev. very good morning. >> thank you forjoining us.

>> thank you for joining us. 1006 you'll be getting in touch at home. we've been discussing this story. britain's strictest head. to name her, head. i'm reluctant to name her, but you might know who she is. but i am reluctant. she is in all papers. but she's all the papers. but she's getting threats, do getting death threats, so we do have to her katharine have to name her katharine birbalsingh. yeah >> amazing. >> she's amazing. >> she's amazing. >> school london. >> michaela school in london. it's school. it's it's an amazing school. it's a free school. >> she's brilliant. >> she's brilliant. >> she. and tried the >> and she. and she tried the school, tried to get the identity withheld because she's already had so many death threats. stance threats. because of this stance she's taken. the judge said she's taken. but the judge said the has to be named as the school has to be named as does she. s the most does she. it's s the most popular school area. popular school in the area. >> people miles to >> people flock from miles to try get their kids into her try and get their kids into her school. results are superb. school. the results are superb. the is brilliant. the discipline is brilliant. families that the families report that the children, who were previously difficult at home, become better behaved because she runs behaved at home because she runs such tight ship at the school . such a tight ship at the school. >> forget the idea using your phonein >> forget the idea using your phone in that school. >> well, she's she's been on this she's spoken to us this show. she's spoken to us about and as as about phones and as soon as a child's performance and attendance down, the first attendance goes down, the first thing takes thing she does is she takes their smartphone off and their smartphone off them and she a little nokia she gives them a little nokia brick. she said, it changes.

brick. and she said, it changes. she's amazing. she she goes beyond in beyond anyway, she's in court this at the high court this week at the high court because the muslim pupils in the school that needs school have said that she needs to provide a space to pray, to provide them a space to pray, a special pray, place to pray at lunchtime. getting lunchtime. um, we were getting in at home, but we've lost in touch at home, but we've lost all the emails now and, so, all the emails now and, and so, so a really interesting so it's a really interesting case, actually, i think. and you are incensed at home, can are incensed at home, i can remember some of the emails remember what some of the emails were were no were saying. you were saying no because where does this end? if this human of this becomes a human right of those children, doesn't those children, it doesn't almost matter what religion it is a way. but if those those is in a way. but if those those muslim children are given the right it's right because it's discriminatory give them discriminatory to not give them that are we that space where next are we going create a mini synagogue going to create a mini synagogue for the jewish kids, a temple for the jewish kids, a temple for kids? for the hindu kids? >> correct . where we go with this? >> you went to a catholic school, did you? did you have a special place to pray in the comprehensive? >> we know we had we had mass in school, was in in the dining room. yeah. >> well, anyway, has got you >> well, anyway, it has got you incensed i say, all incensed at home. as i say, all our have just gone our emails have just gone down. otherwise i would let you know what you're saying at home. but

you of pretty much are you kind of pretty much are agreeing us now. agreeing with us now. >> promises got >> you know, the promises got big tonight. stop big pressure tonight. the stop the it's the third the votes policy. it's the third reading tonight. if it's defeated. no. the boats defeated. no no. stop the boats policy. and we now know that more are the more boats are crossing the channel mark wyatt, channel as we speak. mark wyatt, our head, here. our home security head, is here. what's the channel what's going on on the channel right now? >> yeah, very visible >> yeah, the very visible manifestation of this crisis. that's government. that's engulfing the government. we reveal that four small we can reveal that four small boats crossed the english boats have crossed the english channel this morning. a fifth boatis channel this morning. a fifth boat is trying to meet the crossing as we speak in pretty horrendous weather conditions . horrendous weather conditions. it's deteriorating out in the channel. 40 knot winds. it doesn't sound a lot, but actually it's blowing from the north. it pushes against the prevailing current and the tide that goes through the channel and churns up these waves. and when you're on a flimsy boat like that, it just makes it very difficult to cross. so three of those boats made it across those small boats made it across in hours . a fourth in the early hours. a fourth boat was intercepted by border force about eight this morning. i see intercepted and brought

here and they're taken on board. >> nice comfortable ride for them. >> and this fifth boat is struggling attempting to reach the line to uk waters when it does it's guaranteed of course that the people on board will be picked up and taken to dover harbour for processing. now gb news provisional figures suggest that about 150 may have come ashore, so far today. that is a little less than normally on, on on for small boats. but that's because is because the weather conditions are so bad , they conditions are so bad, they reduce the numbers on the boats to make sure they get across, because normally they'd be stuffing 60 to 70 people on these boats. so they put them down about 25, 30. the down to about 25, 30. the weather's . weather's. >> so it's just 10:00 in the morning here. and 150 people have arrived by boat so far today to just let that hang in the air for a minute. >> this is an ice cold >> and this is an ice cold weather. sea is ice cold. weather. the sea is ice cold. >> so this is this is it's been speaking to a maritime security. uh, morning. who uh, source this morning. who said that the decision by these

criminal gangs push boats criminal gangs to push the boats out crazily stupid. he said out is crazily stupid. he said the criminal gangs have a callous disregard for the safety of those who they push ashore in these flimsy boats . he said it's these flimsy boats. he said it's crazily stupid as i just said, these winds make conditions very dangerous and with subzero temperatures , anyone who does temperatures, anyone who does end up in the water only has minutes to live. >> i don't know whether you heard mark to our debate. we had a very fiery debate. if you missed it, do go back and watch it on youtube with richard tice and other richard um mp for and our other richard um mp for gloucestershire, richard gloucestershire, graham richard graham. you. um richard graham. thank you. um richard tice and tice is still very clear and maintains pick up maintains that you can pick up these and take them back these boats and take them back to the french shoreline. richard graham that's just not graham says that's just not legally is right? legally correct. who is right? >> , there are legal >> well, there are other legal niceties here, and i don't know the actual legality of it. >> um, but one thing's for sure, if the british government decided to pick, and i know you , decided to pick, and i know you, you clearly feel it's a good idea . but if the british idea. but if the british government picked up the

migrants and returned them and dropped them back off in a french port, there would be an almighty fallout with the french government and with the eu . i government and with the eu. i just don't think, well, i know rishi sunak aren't willing to do that because he doesn't want he won't upset people on our behalf. >> well, indeed. >> well, indeed. >> so the best plan is deterrence. that's the rwanda policy, uh, which is an all kinds of trouble. and really, if it goes ahead anyway, it it goes ahead anyway, is it going much of a deterrent? going to be much of a deterrent? i before to i heard you mentioning before to them about those on the other side of the channel who you've spoken to, an absolute joke. >> and i said that i often quote you that mark rambling on for you on that mark rambling on for twoand if they do send people to >> and if they do send people to rwanda, it's not going to be many, thousands. it might many, many thousands. it might be couple thousand at best. be a couple of thousand at best. >> talk to arlene >> let's talk to arlene foster, former the dup and former leader of the dup and former leader of the dup and former minister in the former first minister in the revolt night. arlene, revolt last night. arlene, some of dup colleagues voted of your dup colleagues voted with the tory rebels . with the tory rebels. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and i think that that's a very specific issue around northern ireland because of course, if immigrants come into dublin, if they come into the

repubuc dublin, if they come into the republic of ireland, they can then come up through northern ireland and into the rest of the uk. i they're very uk. so i think they're very concerned that because the concerned about that because the rwanda they're rwanda policy, they're saying, um, is it a risk because of um, is, is it a risk because of article two of the protocol, article two of the protocol, article two of the protocol said that there will be no diminution in people in rights for those people living northern ireland. um, living in northern ireland. um, some nationalists, many nationalists say that as a safeguard to protect echr in northern ireland, now, there was an immigration case. well it wasn't a specific immigration case, but it was around this area called d'souza about british nationality. and the court sided with the government on that occasion . government on that occasion. government will say article two doesn't apply to immigration. the dup is very concerned that it will. and so they've put down an amendment today. i don't think it will be taken probably by the speaker, but it's essentially saying we need to have this clarified. we cannot immigrants in cannot have immigrants coming in through indeed cannot have immigrants coming in througnorthern indeed cannot have immigrants coming in througnorthern ireland. indeed cannot have immigrants coming in througnorthern ireland. and ndeed cannot have immigrants coming in througnorthern ireland. and thatd using northern ireland. and that so, so what? >> so, so the migrants are coming on the dublin coast coming on to the dublin coast then you going through

then coming you going through dubun? then coming you going through dublin? yeah. going through ireland across the border. >> many of are staying in >> many of them are staying in the republic of ireland. and you know there's been difficulties has relation has the, has in relation to that. i think the concern is that. but i think the concern is that. but i think the concern is that they will come through northern and great northern ireland and into great britain and can they britain and then and can they then from northern then legally come from northern ireland britain? ireland into britain? >> they because have >> they can, because we have a common area right common travel area right between, uk , ireland, between, um, the uk, ireland, the islands isle the channel islands and the isle of man. >> that's a >> so that's a common travel area where move without area where you can move without having show a passport. so having to show a passport. so they could easily come to belfast, get on it. don't belfast, get on it. they don't have any and too many have to show any id and too many of them come here. >> many of them choose to >> do many of them choose to stay in northern ireland? >> we don't huge >> well, we don't have a huge immigration issue at the moment. i think the is the i think the concern is if the rwanda, um, as it are, rwanda, um, act, as it are, rwanda, um, act, as it are, rwanda bill goes through as it currently is, then will that cause difficulty for us in cause a difficulty for us in northern because people northern ireland? because people will come in through dublin and then northern ireland and then up to northern ireland and get of being get all the benefits of being would want to limit would would you want to limit the to appeal? well, we've the right to appeal? well, we've discussed past discussed this in the past and we've said that we can't make

the enemy of the good. the perfect enemy of the good. and i what see and i think what you'll see today a of those today is that a lot of those people who the bill, cash people who wanted the bill, cash amendment, will probably back the because they want the bill today because they want some way of stopping. some sort of way of stopping. >> imperfect is better than perfect, better than nothing. >> but i have to say, it would have been better it had have have been better if it had have been tightened there's been tightened up. there's no doubt that. it's doubt about that. and it's a it's shame that it hasn't it's a shame that it hasn't been. >> suppose it might still be >> i suppose it might still be today, doesn't feel like it. >> it doesn't feel like it at the moment. was last night. >> and if you get your crystal ball out, what's going to happen now, arlene? what's going to happen what happen this afternoon? what will happen this afternoon? what will happen will happen tomorrow? what will the implications for rishi implications be for rishi sunak as well, i think will win >> well, i think he will win this afternoon in my crystal ball. think there will be ball. i think there will be a number of mps that will vote against him, some big against him, some quite big names. suella braverman. yeah, i will against them. robert will vote against them. robert jenrick maybe. yes, exactly. um it then it will go it will pass and then it will go to the and we all know to the lords and we all know what happen there. what will happen there. >> be apart? >> will it be torn apart? >> will it be torn apart? >> it will be torn apart. but at the end of the day, the government is the government, and they will it through if

and they will get it through if they desire. how long do you they so desire. how long do you think that will take? >> timescale >> what's what timescale are we looking around looking at? if it sticks around in the house of lords and they could they could talk it for could they could talk it out for a couple of months, i would say, well, and it's full of well, and it's and it's full of judges and lawyers who will probably rings round the probably run rings round the tory frontbench. tory government frontbench. >> i'm not being disrespectful to front bench, but there's to the front bench, but there's some powered lawyers to the front bench, but there's some house. powered lawyers in that house. >> there very high powered >> there are very high powered lawyers. a people lawyers. there's a lot of people who will to amnesty for who will look to amnesty for briefing. yeah. and you can imagine what will happen in that respect. mean, i think we respect. i mean, i think we need a with small a policy to deal with small boats. is very clearly told boats. mark is very clearly told us what's happening today on a very, very cold january day. what's going to happen? february, coming february, march, april, coming into the summer. um, and all the while, it's a key policy of rishi sunak. and i know it's not a great for rishi with a great day for rishi with inflation going up as well, but he needs to get this policy through today. think he will through today. i think he will get through commons get it through the commons today. it'll be a case where a lot of people will some of his big names will vote against him, but think and we've seen

but i think and we've seen robert need to robert graham saying you need to get this. >> i still there's an >> i still think there's an issue for him about going late for election, because for a general election, because if 150 have arrived if the if 150 have arrived today, mark tells us in ice cold weather, the wind rising , what's weather, the wind rising, what's it going to be like in april and may when the weather is calm? the sea is become. they're coming. they'll be coming in their yeah. can you their thousands. yeah. can you risk that going all the way through then through the summer and then going to the country saying, i didn't quite stop the boats? >> well, which better having >> well, which is better having a election when a general election in may when all are still coming all the boats are still coming in. perhaps his legislation in. and perhaps his legislation hasn't gone through or waiting until he's actually back in november , time again, when we're november, time again, when we're back in, uh, the wintertime, the legislation may have gone through, he might have had a few flights so i think that's flights away. so i think that's what gamble on what he's taking a gamble on all of that. >> p- of that. >> think just in terms >> he also think just in terms of how you vote. you know, i do still think the vast majority of people, though feel people, even though they feel strongly the boats, they strongly about the boats, they feel about much feel strongly about how much taxpayers we're paying to taxpayers money we're paying to house feel strongly taxpayers money we're paying to house the feel strongly taxpayers money we're paying to house the fact feel strongly taxpayers money we're paying to house the fact that eel strongly taxpayers money we're paying to house the fact that itl strongly taxpayers money we're paying to house the fact that it feelsngly about the fact that it feels like it's very unfair that

people arrive here a people can arrive here and get a dental appointment when we can't get appointment. i get a dental appointment. i still people will vote for still think people will vote for do they enough in do they have enough money in their end of their bank account at the end of their bank account at the end of the month? so the economy, i think, first and think, is probably first and foremost important to foremost is more important to people than the immigration issue. >> the two are linked, of course, two are linked, but course, the two are linked, but but if rishi sunak improve but if rishi sunak can improve the economic of people the economic situation of people by then that has got by november, then that has got to he pins and he to be what he pins his and he and the five pledges are a mixture issues, they? mixture of issues, aren't they? but inflation those but inflation was one of those issues and has gone back up issues and it has gone back up today. and i the trend today. and i think the trend will probably continue to go down. um, but he would have not have when heard have welcomed that when he heard that have welcomed that when he heard tha what's your take on the >> what's your take on the battle? the school is having the michaela over the head michaela school over the head teacher saying cannot have teacher saying they cannot have a space for muslim worship because she wants to treat everybody the same. what do you think about. >> well, i strongly support her in that. i think schools in that. i think that schools should place everybody should be a place for everybody and people should. and if it's not a specific religious school, it's catholic school , it's it's not a catholic school, it's not a church of england school.

it's a secular if it's a secular school. if children want pray, then they children want to pray, then they make a space for themselves, and they that and it should be they do that and it should be something that is facilitated at home. religion is home. i mean, religion is something that parents should really take the lead on. if you're a secular school and you're at a secular school and you're at a secular school and you don't want to cause division, and i think it would cause division in that school, it really support it. it is, and i really support it. >> there was a jewish child >> if there was a jewish child in school or what my in that school or what about my synagogue, miss? in that school or what about my sanhatie, miss? in that school or what about my sanhat about s? catholic kid >> what about the catholic kid who church? can't have who wants to church? can't have one for one and for the others. >> yes, it's very, very difficult , particularly in difficult, particularly in london, when there so many london, when there are so many different there. different faiths there. >> almost in hiding >> and she's almost in hiding now. birbalsingh, now. katharine birbalsingh, because and because of the aggression and the death threats that she's getting and, and the getting and, and that the implications of this case are so enormous in terms of what we allow , how we the language allow, how we the language around this is very difficult, isn't it? but what a head of a school who wishes to run it in her way and keep it, she's not even as though she's saying you can't have religion. she's happy for all for children of all denominations to be there and

mingle together, but she clearly wants rather than be wants them to mix rather than be divided. and how can she be punished for that? arlene. >> yeah, and she is one of those educationalists who actually did put her head above the parapet and here's i think and say, here's how i think schools should run . and schools should be run. and as you say, hugely you rightly say, hugely successful. that's why children and their parents want their children to go to that school. and what happens ? the and now what happens? the parents and the children are parents are and the children are trying change school and trying to change the school and trying to change the school and trying change the ethos of trying to change the ethos of the school. think it's a the school. so i think it's a real challenge to her. and i send her all of my solidarity today as she says, all of us today as she says, as all of us do, as do do, we, as do we. >> all right. still to come this morning, inflation has unexpectedly to 4. this unexpectedly risen to 4. is this just piling the pressure on rishi ? this is britain's rishi sunak? this is britain's newsroom on .

the camilla tominey show sunday mornings from 930 on gb news news . news. >> you are with britain's newsroom on gb news. >> it is 1023. should we have a look what our lovely viewers and listeners have been saying at home? they've come back now. you know what i felt like then? i felt like a postmaster being being harassed by fujitsu down the line. deleted all my the line. they deleted all my emails. has if emails. um, stephen has said if i to get on a plane to i were to get on a plane to spain, i destroyed my documents before arrival. i guarantee that the spanish border force would put back to put me on the next plane back to the uk. this is. why can't we take people the and take people off the boats and take people off the boats and take to france? uh, take them back to france? uh, john saying this is the eu

john is saying this is the eu saying that britain pay saying that britain will pay for brexit. 10 billion we brexit. so the 10 billion we used give to the eu every used to give to the eu every yearis used to give to the eu every year is now being spent on housing illegal migrants in hotels their aid bills hotels and their legal aid bills are sceptical of you. um, are very sceptical of you. um, graham says if you want a deterrent, basically deterrent, what he's basically saying you don't need rwanda. he says housing people says stop housing people in hotels, giving them money. mobile phones and everything else. get it in else. they don't get it in france. why are we doing the france. so why are we doing the same here? france. so why are we doing the sanle here? france. so why are we doing the sani wase? france. so why are we doing the sani was attacked on social >> i was attacked on social media because said the media because i said only the other they're here. other day, look, they're here. >> we them, they get free >> we pay them, they get free board and lodge they don't. board and lodge and they don't. they their pockets, they get £30 in their pockets, make do some for it. make them do some work for it. there's plenty of potatoes that need plenty fences need picking, plenty of fences that painting. need picking, plenty of fences tha and painting. need picking, plenty of fences tha and yourinting. need picking, plenty of fences tha and you were}. need picking, plenty of fences tha and you were trending on >> and you were trending on twitter for about two hours because such controversial statement. >> outrageous that? i'm >> how outrageous is that? i'm sorry. it's untrue. be reasonable. >> i guess it's problem is, >> i guess it's the problem is, and said this before, is and we've said this before, is once you have a job, you are then you have other rights. don't halligan is in then you have other rights. donstudio halligan is in then you have other rights. donstudio with halligan is in then you have other rights. donstudio with us. lligan is in then you have other rights. donstudio with us. hean is in then you have other rights. donstudio with us. he can; in the studio with us. he can confirm this for us once you have a job, liam, other have a job, liam, you have other rights, you? in this rights, don't you? in this country. and that's why can't country. and that's why we can't employ coming employ people who are coming over so we'd have to

over like that. so we'd have to change the law again. >> well, i'm an employment >> well, i'm not an employment lawyer, if you could up lawyer, but if you could draw up a contract, depends the a contract, it depends the status work, the worker, status of the work, the worker, their their status, their legal, their legal status, doesn't their legal, their legal status, doeand i guess can't. you >> and i guess you can't. you can't. >> the practical difficulties of putting thousands, putting hundreds, thousands, thousands you thousands of people to work. you then manage them. yeah. then have to manage them. yeah. if health safety, they're if health and safety, if they're if you know, if they're being you know, obviously they're in obviously when they're in hotels, they're to wander. obviously when they're in hoteif, they're to wander. obviously when they're in hoteif you're 'e to wander. obviously when they're in hoteif you're takingto wander. obviously when they're in hoteif you're takingto wartoer. but if you're taking them to remote of the country, remote parts of the country, they decide to completely they might decide to completely wander off it, make them work, make them in the hotel, make them work in the hotel, maintain the hotel. >> need put you to >> liam, we need to put you to work well. work now as well. >> you talk to us about >> can you talk to us about inflation and why it rose to 4% this morning? >> okay, so it was a surprise that inflation up from 3.9 that inflation went up from 3.9 to 4. >> a blow e’— to 4. >> a blow for rishi sunak. >> it's a blow for rishi sunak. he that all these he was hoping that all these ghastly about turmoil ghastly headlines about turmoil in and in the house of commons and rwanda the wheels come off, rwanda and the wheels come off, coming off the tory party, were going to be countered by some good about inflation, good news about inflation, the cost is easing cost of living squeeze is easing interest rates coming down soon. a feel good factor across the economy . but history doesn't economy. but history doesn't happenin economy. but history doesn't happen in a straight line and it

hasn't quite worked out like that. let's have look at some that. let's have a look at some of the numbers. the scores on the doors, the december inflation number was 4. that means consumer price means the consumer price index, a and a basket of all goods and services, was 4% higher on average in december than it was in december 2022. these are annual numbers, and that's up from 3.9. that was the november number. and that's the first increase in inflation in 11 months. so the sort of winning streak has been broken . the bank streak has been broken. the bank of england target of course is 2. inflation is still double that though we must say it's come down enormously. bev turner andrew from 11.1% that 40 year high back in october 2022. >> can i ask a stupid question? is this because in december the shops were put in their prices up anyway to cash in on the christmas market? >> let me put that in a graphic for you, bev. >> oh, there we go. >> oh, there we go. >> here are the here are the details that i'm going to have a much more detailed video wall of inflation in the next hour.

>> but just for now, right in december, alcohol, alcohol and tobacco inflation was 12.9. and that was up from a 10.2. that's partly because of increases in tobacco duty , clothing and tobacco duty, clothing and footwear. that was 6.4. uh up from 5.7% the month before . food from 5.7% the month before. food price inflation, though , was 8% price inflation, though, was 8% in december. that was down from 9% in november. that was partly because of discounting and the run up to christmas, as you say, not enough to offset all the other stuff and transport inflation was minus one point three. what does that mean minus inflation? that means transport costs actually came down. the price of transport came down in december compared to december 2022, because petrol all right was 9% cheaper in december last year than december the year before. and diesel was 15% cheaper because oil prices had come down. so the sum total is

that inflation as a whole has come down. but some component has gone up. but some components of it have come down. >> and the good news on the fuel could be offset by what's happening out in the red sea. >> this is the thing we've got all this geopolitical angst, haven't had freight haven't we? we've had freight tankers being blocked, tankers blocking, being blocked, going sea going through the red sea into the canal , onto european the suez canal, onto european markets. shell have just announced the mighty oil major shell . they're not going to use shell. they're not going to use the suez canal anymore. >> again or for now, >> and never again or for now, until the houthi rebels stop drone attacking freight transport, because it's really hard to ensure these ships. >> right. and it's really hard to ensure the people who crew these ships, we've seen oil tankers hijacked in the straits of hormuz, the persian gulf, 25% of hormuz, the persian gulf, 25% of the world's oil goes through that pinch point of the global economy. >> so, so each day, so will jeremy hunt and rishi sunak come out and say, because this might come up at pmqs afternoon , come up at pmqs this afternoon, perhaps about the economy , will perhaps about the economy, will they it's not our fault they just say it's not our fault 7 they just say it's not our fault ? we've got of these global ? we've got all of these global influences and they'd be right.

>> they can justifiably say that inflation in inflation doesn't fall in a straight you know, us straight line. you know, us inflation, which is lower than ours , it's 3.1. that's gone up ours, it's 3.1. that's gone up a bit and down a bit. it's been a bit and down a bit. it's been a bit jagged edged. eurozone inflation is 2.9, but up from 2.4% in november. that latest eurozone number. but this this is the thing. this is the thing sunak has opted to go long on the election to have it at the end. you know, at the end of this year rather than the beginning or the middle, because he feels the economy's going to get better because he's hoping the england get the bank of england will get one, maybe interest one, two, maybe three interest rate then. rate cuts in before then. >> well they're not now. inflation's up this inflation's going up this jeopardises the of jeopardises that the bank of england meets on the february the 1st. >> certainly not going to >> it's certainly not going to lower interest but lower interest rates. but you know very know things can change very very quickly. it's a dynamic situation. i can't see. and situation. but i can't see. and mortgage holders will want to hear this. i see the bank hear this. i can't see the bank of england lowering interest rates now till 8th april. may or maybe even june. based on this rise in inflation. >> but we shouldn't let the

government off the hook too . government off the hook too. they put the tax on fags and they put up the tax on fags and booze, which kicked in. >> that is partly what's going on. part that's on. that's part that's partly what's also we've got what's going on. also we've got the increase in the minimum wage. yeah. by almost wage. yeah. um, by almost a pound, a 10% increase in the minimum wage coming in in april. that's going to be inflationary. >> it's very difficult for small employers because they're going to have to pass those costs on. >> and small employers, >> and for small employers, particularly service sector, a big part of our economy, wages are part of their cost are a massive part of their cost base. so are still base. so there are still inflationary in the inflationary pressures in the pipeline, say, don't pipeline, i would say, and don't shoot messenger the shoot the messenger when the january inflation number comes out. is also likely to be out. that is also likely to be up because we've got an increase in the ofgem energy price cap. they don't call economics the dismal science for nothing. no andrew and bev, but i'd rather be gloomy than wrong. >> . >> so right. >> so right. >> you're not gloomy, liam. >> you're not gloomy, liam. >> you're not gloomy, liam. >> you tell it as it is, right? >> you tell it as it is, right? >> still to come this morning. um, jk rowling is being called britain's nastiest and britain's nastiest novelist and outrage ! which is ridiculous. outrage! which is ridiculous. this has introduced more kids to

reading because of harry potter than probably any other modern novelist in our history. really unpleasant personal attack on her. we'll be defending her all of that and more after your morning's news with sophia . morning's news with sophia. >> thanks, bev. it's 1031. morning's news with sophia. >> thanks, bev. it's1031. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb news room. another crucial vote on the controversial rwanda plan will be held later a day after the prime minister faced a major rebellion. his deputy chairs , rebellion. his deputy chairs, liz anderson and brendan clarke—smith , quit after backing clarke—smith, quit after backing proposals to toughen up the bill around 60 tory mps supported an amendment which was ultimately rejected to prevent uk and international law from stopping or delaying the removal of legal migrants . mps will now continue migrants. mps will now continue debating proposed changes, with the bill set to be put to a vote after four small boats have been intercepted trying to cross the channel with provisional figures showing at least 150 people have

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official ties with the church of england its head? england by not being its head? >> right. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> william attends services at significant times of the year, such and easter, such as christmas and easter, but not a regular but he's not a regular churchgoer. well joining us now is the former chaplain to the queen, to queen elizabeth the second doctor, gavin ashton, doctor ashton morning to you. >> now this has come out of robert excellent book >> now this has come out of roithe excellent book >> now this has come out of roithe monarchy. excellent book >> now this has come out of roithe monarchy. he, llent book >> now this has come out of roithe monarchy. he, asnt book >> now this has come out of roithe monarchy. he, as you>ok on the monarchy. he, as you know, he's got impeccable royal sources says william , um, sources and he says william, um, doesn't feel, uh , close to the doesn't feel, uh, close to the church. he doesn't have the same faith either. his father or faith as either. his father or his grandmother. and therefore he may not take on that role as effectively governor of the church of england. what do you make of that? >> i think it's very interesting. and it's almost certainly true. william doesn't show any signs of being alive to the vibrancy of christian faith. and in that sense, he's very representative of his generation . but i don't think he understands the monarchy because, um , although lots of because, um, although lots of people have talked about disestablishing the church of england and changing our

constitution arrangements, they are immensely complex , and they are immensely complex, and they go back through 500 years of legislation. what we could do is have a referendum and have a have a referendum and have a have a referendum and have a have a republic and start all over again. lots of countries do that, but unpicking and unwinding our present arrangements are simply beyond the scope of our resources. it would take an army of lawyers ten years to do it. so i think he either has to accept the fact that this is a role he plays, whether he likes it or not, which is part actually of the burden of monarchy, or if he feels that strongly and he can't do it, then step aside and abdicate and see if there's somebody else in the royal succession can. succession who can. >> he's reflecting the public view, isn't he, doctor ashenden ? view, isn't he, doctor ashenden? because so few people now go to church, particularly people of prince william's age. isn't that more a reflection on how the church has so manifest? failed . church has so manifest? failed. oh well, it's failed in this country. >> absolutely. but it's immense. it's growing like wildfire in other parts of the world. it's just that secular europe has

lost the faith and is replacing it effectively with a with wokery, if you like. um so, uh, it's hard to know where how much the church has failed and how much the people don't want something that disturbs our, um, our enjoyment of life . um, when our enjoyment of life. um, when people come close to death, suddenly it looks a bit different. but but it's certainly true that he's reflecting a discomfort with christianity in europe. but i think that's to his loss and our loss. i don't think i don't think it's a virtue. i mean, not knowing what what you're doing here is a human being is not a strength of character. doctor ashenden one religion which is not failing make moves in not failing to make moves in this make waves in this this country, make waves in this country, actually islam. country, actually is islam. >> got a case in the >> and we've got a case in the high court. this week of a headteacher who's been taken to court the muslim pupils court because the muslim pupils want to provide a space that want her to provide a space that they can pray in. where would you sit on that debate? do you think that those muslim children should be given a space to pray

in that school ? i'd go should be given a space to pray in that school? i'd go back further and talk about the equality of legislation that we face. >> the problem is it's a secular and blunt instrument, and it treats all religion as though they're the same. but they're not at all the same. i mean, for example, when christians try and pray in this country on pavements near abortion clinics, they get arrested even though they're praying quietly and silently . but when muslims want silently. but when muslims want to pray , they pray, block the to pray, they pray, block the streets outside downing street and great numbers in and pray in great numbers in public. they're public. and they're they're praised is a civic virtue . um, i praised is a civic virtue. um, i think that the headmistress in this particular case has decided that public displays of spirituality by muslims are not uncommon , acted with an element uncommon, acted with an element of display of power and influence in society. that's how islam uses its prayer, often in public. islam uses its prayer, often in pubuc.so islam uses its prayer, often in public. so it's so when muslims pray , it's different from when pray, it's different from when jews pray. it's different from when christians pray. we should treat them on merits. if treat them on their merits. if the headmistress in this case thinks it's producing a degree

of social disruption, i think she's entitled to want of social disruption, i think sh run entitled to want of social disruption, i think sh run a entitled to want of social disruption, i think sh run a schoolentitled to want of social disruption, i think sh run a school without to want of social disruption, i think sh run a school without socialit to run a school without social disruption. we can all pray privately in our homes , as most privately in our homes, as most of us, those of us who pray, do anyway. >> and the school is in london. it's which is of the most it's which is one of the most diverse of the country. if diverse parts of the country. if she to a prayer room she agreed to give a prayer room for the muslims, then if you've got jewish children in that school or hindu children in that school, temple, school, can they have a temple, please? can they have a mini synagogue? it synagogue? where where does it end ? end? >> y- w it's worse than that. >> i think it's worse than that. i mean, right, that's the i mean, you're right, that's the first argument. but the next argument being used argument is what's it being used for ? the difficulty have with for? the difficulty i have with islam. i mean, islam is a very muscular religion. it's spreading as you quite rightly say, like wildfire . we've seen say, like wildfire. we've seen the on the streets during the effect on the streets during the effect on the streets during the demonstrations about gaza . the demonstrations about gaza. islam is not shy and it's very capable of exercising all its rights. i'm afraid . i think in rights. i'm afraid. i think in a school context , this quest to school context, this quest to give islam a particular public place in the life of the school actually is detrimental to other

religions. i mean, for example, the arguments in the high court are that muslim students feel ashamed of being a muslim in the school. actually, if i was a jew in that school, i'd feel rather threatened displays of public threatened by displays of public islamic spirituality. so i think we equalities we have to ignore the equalities legislation which binds us. if only could. and actually come only we could. and actually come to decisions based on the merits of each case. and in this particular case, i don't think that people pushing the that the people pushing the islamic right of this school, um , are justified. >> um, do you think that's something that you can freely say anywhere? >> gavin, i think it is a controversial thing to say. well, well, we're pleased that you can say it here because above all else, this channel is about free speech and having the difficult conversations as if you interview on, you were doing an interview on, say, the bbc. would you find that difficult position to take? >> it's not allowed. we can't say i mean, actually i have say it. i mean, actually i have quite experience. quite a lot of experience. i taught one of our taught islam at one of our universities. part of universities. i was part of a multi—faith team, which i ran. i'm really quite well informed. uh, if if i explain , for uh, but if i, if i explain, for example, that my muslim friends

say that they came to this country with the explicit intention of within two generations of making it the islamic republic of great britain. that's what they told me i would be i'd be accused of being islamophobic. but but islam tells us that's what it wants to do. islamification wants to do. the islamification of whole europe of the whole of europe is underway. what's absolutely crazy that the rest of us crazy is that the rest of us aren't allowed to talk about it, or even say, as a christian, i'd like to say, you know, if you're going to choose a religion, here's why i think jesus is more attractive than muhammad and give some very cogent reasons for you're not allowed for it. but you're not allowed even have the conversation in even to have the conversation in public, terms of public, lest in terms of equalities , you're equalities legislation, you're thought to be being closed minded about the virtues of what they present. actually, what we should is minded should be being is open minded and talking about so that we and talking about it so that we can it. and those can evaluate it. and then those who to be muslims, let them who want to be muslims, let them be so. must have a public be so. but we must have a public discussion virtues of discussion about the virtues of different let's different religions, and let's find ways of bringing people together rather than apart of coui'se. >> course. >> do you make book? you can >> do you make the book? you can always do it here, doctor

ashenden, we love ashenden, which is why we love having on news. having you on gb news. >> thank you. thank >> absolutely. thank you. thank you, who you, doctor gavin ashton, who was chaplain to her was of course, chaplain to her majesty the queen, who think majesty the queen, who i think would be very upset to think her grandson would to carry grandson would not want to carry on that role, which he on in that role, which he performed distinction. on in that role, which he per but|ed distinction. on in that role, which he per but he distinction. on in that role, which he per but he is distinction. on in that role, which he per but he is a distinction. on in that role, which he per but he is a man nction. on in that role, which he per but he is a man of:ion. on in that role, which he per but he is a man of a n. >> but he is a man of a different generation , and he different generation, and he reflects, most reflects, i think what most people think today about the modern church, we've got mike parry parry parry, broadcaster mike parry and labour mp stephen and former labour mp stephen pound. >> morning gentlemen. good >> good morning gentlemen. good morning. what an interesting. yeah, at least one of you. yeah, well at least one of you. what what what an interesting debate to have, if i do say so myself. but also what an interesting perspective, mike, for gavin to take there, to say i hate it when i hear we're not allowed to say this. this one sentence that makes my blood run cold. it is that. >> yeah. okay. >> yeah. okay. >> i mean, i put a lot of it to down archbishop runcie and his predecessors because they haven't krispy should well haven't sold krispy should well be sorry. be i'm sorry. >> his predecessors because >> on his predecessors because they haven't sold christianity. >> they've been messing around in political issues that they

shouldn't get involved in. >> they've been messing around with social issues , trying to with social issues, trying to tell all we should have tell us all we should have a social conscience and thinking the way they think. and that's dnven the way they think. and that's driven away from driven people away from christianity. at the same christianity. now at the same time, we see mosques sprouting up all over the country. i'm not knocking that at all, but you can see how people are so religious in certain religious ways and follow it greatly in this country , mosques are full this country, mosques are full every weekend. mosques are often full every day of the week, while churches in this country are falling to pieces . are literally falling to pieces. when was the last time you saw a mosque converted into a block of flats? whereas churches in this country being converted into country are being converted into blocks into bingo blocks of flats into bingo halls, into discos on a regular basis, because the faith is not being endorsed . being endorsed. >> and so if william walked away from this royal duty, this important royal duty would that make would that make the make that, would that make the decline established decline of the established church worse ? church even worse? >> would accelerate it by >> oh, it would accelerate it by a great degree. i mean, i was

looking into this this morning reading, uh, what people's views on queen were in her role as on the queen were in her role as head church of england head of the church of england andifs head of the church of england and it's clear the queen and it's quite clear the queen couldn't have reigned without the spiritual comfort she got from being head of the church of england. and she wasn't just the queen. she believed that, you know, she had a divine mission to rule as she ruled. now, if william doesn't think like that, he's not fit to become the head of the church of england. i mean, this is all speculation at the moment. it's written in the book pointed out, book that you've pointed out, but i'm saying is there's but what i'm saying is there's got to be some clear rule and some clear indication somewhere how william feels and faces up to the role of being head of the church of england because it is still very, very important to be, particularly as we are still a christian country and will be until somebody tells us we're not. >> yeah. what's gone wrong, stephen pound well, i think basically because the church of england is now represented by this sort of jk flannel figure, you know, in a very real sense

on the one hand. >> on the other hand, you said they basically the liberal democrats in cassocks. i mean, it's downright embarrassing. look a you say look if you have a look, you say that attendance is that church attendance is declining. well, in certain areas, areas, it areas, in certain areas, it isn't. evangelical churches are booming. where booming. and that's where you're seeing converted booming. and that's where you're seeiichurches. converted booming. and that's where you're seeiichurches. what'sonverted booming. and that's where you're seeiichurches. what's thezrted into churches. what's the evangelical churches got? evangelical churches have got? is certainty , is this is this certainty, is this determination clarity determination and this clarity and lack of compromise? and and this lack of compromise? and i is the important i think that is the important thing. look, in the case of thing. but look, in the case of prince william on the evangelical church, some of them. >> stephen. stephen. no, no. so quite often they're the congregation is largely, predominantly black. and there is that sense because there's a stronger faith in that community. >> well, i don't i think maybe some of some of the optics would give you that suggestion, but in reality, i mean, places like the eaung reality, i mean, places like the ealing centre, i know ealing christian centre, i know quite well. it's certainly you don't see a predominance of one race that's race or the other. yeah that's certainly here's the certainly but look, here's the interesting thing. there's only two in the world two parliaments in the world where leaders can where religious leaders can sit in it a matter of right. and in it as a matter of right. and that the in tehran, in that is the majlis in tehran, in

iran. british iran. and the british parliament, where we have bishops there. now, i think bishops in there. now, i think that going to reopen that we're not going to reopen the antithesis antirealism the whole antithesis antirealism argument. would thought , argument. i would have thought, but a real case to be but there is a real case to be made for prince william standing back saying, look, my father back and saying, look, my father has going to be a has said he's going to be a defender faiths, not defender of faiths, not a defender of faiths, not a defender particular defender of one particular faith. i don't do we really faith. and i don't do we really want to have the leader of this country also the leader of want to have the leader of this cou church? also the leader of want to have the leader of this cou church? i also the leader of want to have the leader of this cou church? i think. :he leader of want to have the leader of this cou church? i think. i'm.eader of want to have the leader of this cou church? i think. i'm noter of the church? i think. i'm not sure they want it either. >> well, somebody's got be, >> well, somebody's got to be, haven't somebody's got to haven't they? somebody's got to be the somebody. >> church england. you're >> the church of england. you're right. why why rac the >> so. so why why rac the archbishop of canterbury five centuries. >> well no, hang on >> well no, no, hang on a second. so the archbishop of canterbury is similar canterbury is in a similar position the pope? position to the pope? >> said to the anglican >> well, he said to the anglican church. yeah, exactly. >> what we're talking >> that's what we're talking about. just talking about the anglican you can't anglican church. well, you can't have who is head of have a person who is the head of all in this country. all churches in this country. >> no, you've just said >> no, no, but you've just said the recogniser of faith, charles has i the head of the has said, i am the head of the church england. but course church of england. but of course i my those other i open my arms to those of other faiths who want to live in this country and who to pray in country and who want to pray in this country. and of course

we're that doesn't we're there, but that doesn't mean to go further mean he's got to go further and so think step down as so i think i'll step down as leader of the church of england. somebody's to do that job somebody's got to do that job and protect institution and protect the institution of five rights five centuries. and our rights and in terms of and structurally, in terms of the of the anglican the hierarchy of the anglican church, the archbishop of canterbury is the world leader of anglican communion. of the anglican communion. >> this country, >> yes, but in this country, kings charles is the head, kings king charles is the head, isn't i don't see that isn't he? i no, i don't see that pertaining for much longer. in all i just don't. well, all honesty, i just don't. well, how it be given up then? how would it be given up then? >> it be by choice or. >> would it be by choice or. >> would it be by choice or. >> no, it has to be voluntary. you have to resile. >> could argue that if >> could you argue that if williams down, goes williams stands down, it goes to a senior cleric? >> a senior n >> well, a senior bishop, i think stevens already pointing out got an archbishop out that we've got an archbishop of canterbury who that of canterbury who does that role. would is role. but what i would say is that you've leaders of that if you've got leaders of other faiths in this country, they wouldn't suddenly i they wouldn't suddenly say, i tell i'm to tell you what, i'm going to stand down that would really stand down now that would really impound their followers if impound on their followers if they found that the head of their so weak that their religion was so weak that due opinion and a few due to public opinion and a few people saying, look, i you people saying, look, i think you should stand down, stand should stand down, you stand down, you don't clearly believe in going to be

in it. if you're going to be that easy to knock off your perch and benedict did perch and pope benedict did exactly that. >> pope, pope benedict stand >> pope, pope benedict did stand down. admittedly age, down. admittedly because of age, and can do and that was age. but you can do it. well, you still and i'm saying you can do it to successor in his own image. >> exactly. he didn't down >> exactly. he didn't stand down and abolishing the role >> exactly. he didn't stand down an pope. abolishing the role >> exactly. he didn't stand down an pope. you abolishing the role >> exactly. he didn't stand down an pope. you know,hing the role >> exactly. he didn't stand down an pope. you know, i'm the role >> exactly. he didn't stand down an pope. you know, i'm still role >> exactly. he didn't stand down an pope. you know, i'm still the of pope. you know, i'm still the head the catholic church. he head of the catholic church. he simply fit, a man to do simply wanted a fit, a man to do the job. >> he wanted a younger 78 year old. >> what about the i mean, do you think if he was to do that, i mean, gavin ashton was suggesting there could be talk of he's of abdication if he's not willing to take on that role? >> really don't think so. >> i really don't think so. i mean, i hope not, yeah. >> no, i quite look forward to william being king a way. >> no, i quite look forward to wilwell,)eing king a way. >> no, i quite look forward to wilwell, ising king a way. >> no, i quite look forward to wilwell, i you king a way. >> no, i quite look forward to wilwell, i you should a way. >> no, i quite look forward to wilwell, i you should interview >> well, i you should interview him often. him more often. >> not wishing any >> i mean, i'm not wishing any you know, remote sensing some republican coming out of republican stuff coming out of you are such you here. you are such a so—and—so. really are. so—and—so. you really are. >> i can sense it. no. >> in all honesty, i used to have a great argument against the was you'd up, have a great argument against the know, was you'd up, have a great argument against the know, withias you'd up, have a great argument against the know, with tonyyu'd up, have a great argument against the know, with tony blair. up, have a great argument against the know, with tony blair. well, you know, with tony blair. well okay. you know, so you quite like that. but but if you actually what's happened actually think what's happened in robinson,

in ireland with mary robinson, mary people who you mary mcaleese, people who you hadnt mary mcaleese, people who you hadn't who hadn't necessarily heard of, who became presidents, became excellent presidents, i think i have with think the problem i have with with in with the monarchy in this country, be perfectly country, it'd be perfectly honest you've got honest at the moment you've got this bias in it this anti—catholic bias in it where you cannot be, you cannot marry royal family if marry into the royal family if you're catholic. i think you're a roman catholic. i think that's antidilutive. >> you can be have to >> and you can be you have to give your right of succession. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> okay. but you so you're >> okay. but you are. so you're turning into a republican. >> i i'm opposite of >> i maybe i'm the opposite of politics. tony and politics. they say tony benn and william the william gladstone were the only people who got more left wing as they older. getting they got older. i'm getting slightly more republican, i'm afraid. >> do you not think as well also that be a political that there would be a political aspect to it? there are a lot of fanatical people around in religions in this and if religions in this world, and if they that the they suddenly saw that the monarch united kingdom monarch of the united kingdom was no longer the head of the church england, would church of england, it would honestly entice people to say, christianity is failing. yeah, this is a clear this is this is a clear indication muslims are us. >> might the >> exactly. it might make the archbishop faiths are strengthened. might the strengthened. it might make the archbishop of canterbury a little bit sensible and little bit more sensible and a little bit more sensible and a little circumspect . in his little more circumspect. in his words, actually of words, if he actually lots of people while we've got welby people not while we've got welby there know what?

there and you know what? >> there are so many people, so many at home getting in many people at home getting in touch, danielle said. this country a muslim country. country is not a muslim country. it catholic it is a christian or catholic country. they shouldn't be given anywhere, okay, um, anywhere, said pray. okay, um, sally, is getting sally, this is getting ridiculous to values and ridiculous to british values and british at all british people not matter at all anymore. we working so anymore. why are we working so hard taxes? being law hard to pay our taxes? being law abiding citizens for others who don't values? don't then respect our values? such as william such a contentious as william gets older and longer the gets older and longer into the job of wales. job as prince of wales. >> and is he's more exposed >> yes, and is he's more exposed to faith leaders. his view will change. >> well, it may change, i hope, as he grows older and the responsibility of becoming the monarch closer monarch comes closer and closer to , he might also feel like to him, he might also feel like his i need divine his grandmother. i need divine intervention. yeah. and intervention. yeah, yeah. and that's reason why i want that's another reason why i want to see. >> yeah, well, we all need that. and i'm afraid i have to offer some divine intervention right now and tell to just shush now and tell you to just shush for a minute, because we've got to on. we've got to to move on. we've got to take a break. don't go anywhere. we're back a minute. back in a minute. >> you're such a god. >> you're such a god. >> outlook with boxt >> brighter outlook with boxt solar, of whether solar, the sponsors of whether on gb news. >> good morning. welcome to your

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london school run by britain's strictest head, is in the high court this week. why? because muslim pupils want a special place to pray for. the head says no . but could this case lead to no. but could this case lead to all public buildings being legally compelled to provide muslim prayer rooms? tell us what you think and the children's word of the year. >> it's climate change. we are not happy about that. we've created a generation of anxious children. >> and as these tory as the mps debate, the rwanda bill today, they will no . mark white's going they will no. mark white's going to tell us more about it. crossing the channel seven boats today. this is january winter ice cold weather, bad weather warnings, seven boats. does that show that the threat of a deterrent isn't working? or maybe it is. >> i'd love to know why mark white is going to be here in a

moment to say why we've got summer levels of crossings happening today. vaiews@gbnews.com is the email first, latest first, though, your very latest news sophia wenzler. thanks bev. >> good morning. it's 11:01. bev. >> good morning. it's11:01. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . another crucial vote newsroom. another crucial vote on the controversial rwanda plan will be held later , a day after will be held later, a day after the prime minister faced a major rebellion. his deputy chairs, lee anderson and brendan clarke smith, quit after backing proposals to toughen up the bill around 60 tory mps supported an amendment which was ultimately rejected to prevent uk and international law from stopping or delaying the removal of illegal migrants. mps will now continue debating proposed changes before the bill's third reading is put to a vote. illegal migration minister michael tomlinson says despite differences, everyone in the party wants the plan to go forward. >> but when you look down at it and when you look at the detail

and when you look at the detail and what my colleagues were saying, they all to a man and to a woman want this policy to work almost every single speech started want this policy started with we want this policy to and that's the to work and that's the determination that we have . yes, determination that we have. yes, there are differences. yes, there are differences. yes, there are differences. yes, there are shades, but if there is an inch between us on the conservative benches, there's a mile between and the labour mile between us and the labour party because labour party party because the labour party can't you what their can't even tell you what their plan they don't have a plan plan is. they don't have a plan to tackle illegal migration. the prime minister and he's prime minister does, and he's determined to stop the boats and will that with this. as the will do that with this. as the prime minister faces a critical vote for his stop the boats policy. >> five small vessels were intercepted trying to cross the channel this morning. so far, around 200 people have been brought another brought to dover, but another two now been spotted two boats have now been spotted as weather deteriorates, the as the weather deteriorates, the latest arrivals are the first since the weekend and after five people drowned just off the french coast in an unexpectedly rose to 4% last month. the office for national statistics says the increase was driven by

higher tobacco and alcohol prices. there was some relief for households, though, with food rising at slower rates and the cost of petrol falling. chancellor jeremy the cost of petrol falling. chancellorjeremy hunt insists chancellor jeremy hunt insists the government's plan to fix the economy is working . economy is working. >> inflation never falls in a straight line. we can see from the rest of the world. it's gone up in france, the united states and the eurozone , but here in and the eurozone, but here in the uk it was 11.1. when rishi sunak became prime minister it's more than halved. it's still nearly a percentage point lower than where the office for budget responsibility predicted it would be only in the autumn statement in november. so we have a plan. we've taken very difficult decisions to bring inflation down that plan is working . working. >> meanwhile, shadow culture secretary thangam debbonaire says the government still isn't doing enough to bring the numbers down. my heart goes out to the people who are already at the moment are working out. >> how can i get to the end of the month? do you know what they probably didn't. your viewers

probably didn't. your viewers probably didn't. your viewers probably didn't need to see the figures know what figures to know what was happening, can add. happening, because they can add. they out in their they can work it out in their own it's so own finances. it's so desperately disappointing to see a that just doesn't a government that just doesn't seem govern anymore. seem to want to govern anymore. that's governments that's what governments are supposed don't hear supposed to do. i don't hear a peep from rishi sunak, but this week minister or any of week prime minister or any of his ministers they're his ministers about how they're deaung his ministers about how they're dealing the problems that dealing with the problems that are actually facing working people this country, people up and down this country, fujitsu is being urged to make an initial £10 million payment to a fund for the victims of the honzon to a fund for the victims of the horizon scandal. >> it's after the company's europe's director admitted there was a moral obligation to contribute. patterson contribute. paul patterson apologised for the appalling miscarriage of justice when he appeared before mps yesterday. hundreds of subpostmasters were convicted and wrongly accused of theft because of a fault in the it system. fujitsu is being asked to make an initial payment by the end of this month . an by the end of this month. an undercover police officers are wearing luxury watches as part of an operation to catch out thieves . video released by the thieves. video released by the met police shows robbers trying to lure the apparent victims

into a false sense of security before trying to steal the items . other undercover officers then pounce, apprehending the offenders . two operations were offenders. two operations were carried out in wealthy london boroughs, leading to more than 20 convictions. mechcommander for intelligence ben russell says the police tactics are working . working. >> we think this is organised crime, but it's pretty opportunistic . so there are opportunistic. so there are groups of young men, mainly in their 20s and 30s, hanging around outside bars and clubs, spotting people, and they know what they're looking for, and freezing temperatures are set to continue into this week with snow and ice warnings updated to include much of scotland, northern england and parts of wales and northern ireland. >> that's after the uk's coldest night of the winter so far. temperatures fell to —14 in the highlands and hundreds of schools are again closed in scotland because of the weather. this is gb news across the uk on tv , in your car, on your digital tv, in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker

by saying play gb news. now it's back to andrew and bev of . back to andrew and bev of. >> very good morning. 1106 thank you for joining >> very good morning. 1106 thank you forjoining us on this you for joining us on this frosty cold morning with those pictures there on the news. fabulous. they're brilliant, aren't they . aren't they. >> stalagmites do you get i remember how did you i was in brighton. how stalagmite ground because it's the g in the ground. the stalactite is the c because it comes from the ceiling. >> you learn something new every day on this show, don't you? now, thank you for getting in touch. david has about touch. david has said about prince william, perhaps not representing the church of england. i'm england. another royal dud, i'm afraid dereliction of afraid a clear dereliction of duty that to our duty that would be to our country. i couldn't support the monarchy of others country. i couldn't support the monfeel/ of others country. i couldn't support the monfeel the of others country. i couldn't support the monfeel the same of others country. i couldn't support the monfeel the same . of others country. i couldn't support the monfeel the same . um,f others country. i couldn't support the monfeel the same . um, and ers will feel the same. um, and frank has said william may not want to be head of the church of england. it is likely he will be under an ayatollah if he doesn't want to be, he's going to be under way under an ayatollah. the way our country going. and stephen country is going. and stephen says, if william drops the defender of faith

defender of the faith role, would it damage the laws in this country are formed around country that are formed around christian ? lots you christian faith? uh, lots of you getting touch and also about getting in touch and also about the migrant crossings this morning. you want to morning. graham, if you want to deter, them, stop the deter, deter them, stop the housing, money, phones , housing, the money, the phones, everything else, and stop giving them and make them safe passage and make them work into england. um, talking of which , mark weisbach, our of which, mark weisbach, our home security editor . home security editor. >> it's getting pretty busy >> so it's getting pretty busy on the channel. what's happening? >> it's unbelievable really. we are seeing some higher levels of boats crossing the english channel this morning. uh, five boats, small boats have already crossed the english channel. been picked up by border force and taken to dover. now we're told another two small boats are currently attempting the crossing in absolute. really, uh, horrific weather conditions because the winds have picked up it's subzero temperatures out in the channel. i think we may have some pictures that we can show you that our kent producer has filmed from the clifftops in

dover , uh, looking out into the dover, uh, looking out into the engush dover, uh, looking out into the english channel. now, those are not our pictures from this morning. >> that's the philippine tugboat . bringing them in. bringing them back. well, that's one of them back. well, that's one of the catamarans. >> i'm sure if that's from >> i'm not sure if that's from this not. um, but we this morning or not. um, but we got some pictures that basically just showed the extent of the weather conditions out in the channel because it's , it's, you channel because it's, it's, you know, it's visible . it is know, it's visible. it is difficult, difficult, subzero temperatures. but we see a tiny small boat. there you go. you can see. yeah it's horrific on the radio. you can see that's a french naval vessel escort that boat. and just in the, uh, in front of the boat there crossing, you can see, uh, a french naval vessel escort ing the boat to england. >> well , this is the policy has >> well, this is the policy has been the policy for years, and i know it angers many people. >> what the french say is they've tried, uh, on multiple occasions to persuade migrants to come on their boat and return to come on their boat and return to france. but the migrants

always saying no. and as they say, no. funny all the all they have , uh, the only thing they have, uh, the only thing they can do is just shadow them until they get to the uk side and then they get to the uk side and then they get to the uk side and then they get what they want, which is to be picked up by uk. >> this is all happening today when mps are debating the rwanda bill again. there'll be amendments and then we get the vote on third reading, which vote on the third reading, which is whether put is effectively whether to put this it then goes this bill into law. it then goes down the lords. this could be down to the lords. this could be problematic for the prime minister because told mps minister because he's told mps there's a deterrent. there's rwanda is a deterrent. he's told mps that the number of people crossing channel last people crossing the channel last year third because of year was a third down because of the they've done with the the deals they've done with the french because of the deals french and because of the deals they've done albania. but they've done over albania. but actually suggests actually this rather suggests it's the weather. actually this rather suggests it's yeah, the weather. actually this rather suggests it's yeah, no, the weather. actually this rather suggests it's yeah, no, absolutelyer. actually this rather suggests it's yeah, no, absolutely he does. >> yeah, no, absolutely he does. and that might suggest and those that might suggest that, oh well, maybe this strengthens to get the strengthens his hand to get the mps vote him. no no, mps to vote with him. no no, i mean it's it basically shows that any time there's any kind of improvement the of improvement in weather, the people are smugglers are still

pushing these boats out into the channel and they are coming across to the uk. as i say, some are levels of migrants crossing seven boats today. this and that's about, we think, 350 people that will have crossed the channel. so that's just about the weather. >> mark. okay. i'm going to ask a stupid question, but i don't mind the person that asks mind being the person that asks the questions. is it the stupid questions. is it because word has got back to the people they're voting people smugglers? they're voting on ? you've got to on rwanda today? you've got to get over there now because this might given the green light. might get given the green light. if you're going to go, you've got to go now, quick , quick, got to go now, quick, quick, quick. the starts quick. before the plane starts taking be what they're >> it could be what they're saying. smugglers. well, i, saying. the smugglers. well, i, i that not a stupid i think that it's not a stupid point all. point at all. >> i think that's actually, you know, probably what's happening to are not to an extent. they are not stupid. smugglers, stupid. the people smugglers, they to sort of, they know what to do to sort of, uh, a sales pitch. yeah to uh, it's a sales pitch. yeah to basically twist the arms of , of basically twist the arms of, of the migrants and, and certainly two years ago, just under, when bofis two years ago, just under, when boris johnson announced rwanda, this was what the, the people

smugglers were saying to the migrants, you better get across now because in a few months time, you won't be able to. >> we saw a spike then. >> we saw a spike then. >> that did lead to a very significant and we had spike. we had five migrants drowning just a but it's still a few days ago, but it's still not putting them off. well, this is it. this is the difficulty in although we're seeing these are summer crossing. summer levels of boats crossing. it's the middle of the winter pushing them across january . pushing them across in january. uh, in less than ideal conditions can lead to the kind of tragedy we saw just at the weekend. there with a boat getting into difficulties off beloin and five people dying. the people we described them as, or at least a maritime source described them as crazily stupid and carlos. well, yes , they are, and carlos. well, yes, they are, but they're also not that stupid because they know it's bad for business if they put a boat off and then everybody drowns , so and then everybody drowns, so they don't want to kill people. that's why they wait for the weather to be just about manageable . manageable. >> they don't seem to care much if people die.

>> well, i'm sure they don't mourn at their funeral, if that's what you're saying. but i think they do care business in terms of realising how bad it is for business. >> yeah, okay. >> yeah, okay. >> right. thank you mark. >> all right. thank you mark. well, as we said, it's going to be a bumpy ride for the prime minister as he attempts to get this rwanda legislation over the line. show. line. earlier on the show. you really if did miss really i assume if you did miss it because reform uk leader richard tice clashed with conservative graham. conservative mp richard graham. this happened. conservative mp richard graham. thi�*the happened. conservative mp richard graham. thi�*the one happened. conservative mp richard graham. thi�*the one hand ened. conservative mp richard graham. thi�*the one hand invoking >> the one hand invoking national it suits you national law when it suits you and disregard it when it and totally disregard it when it doesn't suit. >> sorry this is by the way, >> i'm sorry this is by the way, this is something for richard tice us to consider. >> imagine a woman seriously ill with a difficult pregnancy being put on a flight to rwanda and dying halfway on that journey. imagine . what imagine. what >> well, that wasn't the most gripping bit. >> i'm afraid of the debate. it got a lot more fiery than that. >> well, let's go to downing street now to talk to our political correspondent, katherine forster. catherine,

morning. look, he 60 tory. katherine forster. catherine, mo tory|. look, he 60 tory. katherine forster. catherine, mo tory mps k, he 60 tory. katherine forster. catherine, mo tory mps rebelled 60 tory. katherine forster. catherine, mo tory mps rebelled 60 night. 60 tory mps rebelled last night. that's rebellion. of that's the biggest rebellion. of course, was labour course, there was no labour vote. these amendments were vote. so these amendments were never going to carried. how never going to be carried. how how anxious are they that the big vote tonight, which would if they vote down, that's the they vote it down, that's the end the bill. end of the end of the bill. end of the rwanda plan . how worried are rwanda plan. how worried are they that could happen . they that that could happen. because that be have because that would be have serious repercussions the serious repercussions for the prime minister's future . prime minister's future. >> well , prime minister's future. >> well, certainly nervousness here at number 10. i'm not sure how much sleep rishi sunak would have had last night. he doesn't tend to get much anyway . they do tend to get much anyway. they do think that they will get the bill through simply because 60 people voted for those amendments yesterday . that's amendments yesterday. that's very different to actually votes the bill down, they would need about 30 to vote. the bill down. now currently there's about ten that have indicated that they will do so. if it's not amended, including people like robert

jenrick, who's got amendments. they're going to be debating this afternoon. former home secretary suella braverman and simon clarke, among others . but simon clarke, among others. but then there's plenty more of the rebels from yesterday that will perhaps hold their nose, likely that lee anderson and brendan clarke smith, the deputy chairs who resigned so spectacularly last night to vote against the government . it sounds like they government. it sounds like they will probably, in the end, hold their noses now. mark francois of the erg has called a meeting at 5:00. of these right wing rebels to decide what to do , but rebels to decide what to do, but the government is hoping basically to call their bluff because if they lose this , if because if they lose this, if the bill fails , then the the bill fails, then the government have nothing . they're government have nothing. they're back to square one. they won't have time to get flights off before a general election if that ever happens anyway. and then all sorts of questions about the prime minister, whose

authority would be absolutely shot. so a really high stakes day to day, i don't know what will happen, but my gut feeling is in the end it will go through not long until we find out absolutely . absolutely. >> that's katherine forster as my view now we're going to join now by a man with a very shrewd political eye who's been writing about crime . he's in governments about crime. he's in governments for many, many years. the sun's eminence kyrees political eminence, greece trevor kavanagh, trevor, trevor, you and i have written about these things many times . if but things many, many times. if but if in the unlikely event that this went down, this rwanda bill went down, that would be very , went down, that would be very, very difficult for the prime minister to continue for very much longer . minister to continue for very much longer. in my view . much longer. in my view. >> uh, yes, andrew, i think in fact, you wrote this morning that the threat of a general election has snapped spring poll . in fact, winter poll may be . in fact, a winter poll may be on the way. if indeed, uh rishi sunak defeated on this, which sunak is defeated on this, which is something which will, uh, make the rebels tory mps pay

attention over the next few hours because this is a serious threat. i was writing before christmas that, uh, if necessary , rishi sunak would make this an election issue. at that point , election issue. at that point, he thought the rebellion would come in the house of lords, not in the house of commons, but he was ready back then to say that if he couldn't get his measures through, then a general election was the only way forward. so so this is a serious threat that hangs over the heads of those mps who have a choice between going now or going. perhaps in november . going now or going. perhaps in november. but, um, you know, it's a difficult choice. and i think your correspondent there, your political correspondent, was absolutely bang on. you can't predict this, but i think it'll be a narrow win for the prime minister >> and of course, if they do vote it down, not only is the prime minister in trouble, they then got no rwanda plan at all, and the tory mps i was talking to for some to last night who voted for some of amendments said no, we of the amendments said no, we will vote for the bill because it's better to have imperfect it's better to have an imperfect

the no plan at the rwanda plan than no plan at all. mm >> that's right. and i think the problem is that we're rishi to now surrender to the rebels. he would be as weak as if he had lost the vote in the actual showdown this evening . uh, i showdown this evening. uh, i think he would be. it would be impossible for him to have any authority over his party again. and he would also be risking . and he would also be risking. he's also risking the, uh, the opposition from within his party on the left of the party. those who oppose this legislation for other reasons , they don't think other reasons, they don't think we should be so severe on immigrants. i think back in the background of all this, of course, is what the public think, what the voters think, and the voters simply want these boats stopped . and if they could boats stopped. and if they could have their way , they've had them have their way, they've had them sent back before they could even land in this country. >> yeah. we were to >> yeah. we were talking to richard in his richard tice about this, in his view, if he was prime view, is if he was prime minister, that's not to minister, that's not going to happen for very long time, in happen for a very long time, in my view. but if he was prime

minister, the, the, the royal naval cutters would pick the people of the boats, the people up out of the boats, the small boats, bring them small boats, and not bring them here to them safe here to give them a safe passage, take them straight back to would provoke to france. it would provoke a mother rows with france. mother of all rows with france. but what he would do but that's what he would do. do you think says government you think he says the government can trevor, you can do that now, trevor, if you look at the laws, what's your interpretation that ? interpretation of that? >> well, i think that we can do pretty much we like. pretty much what we like. i mean, treaties are there in place, but treaties are also there to be broken , and they there to be broken, and they regularly and especially by regularly are. and especially by the french. so i don't think that there'd be i mean, there would be a huge furore, not just in france but in, in the sort of anti—western world, uh, because of the treaties, the, the european court of human rights, uh, the charter of human rights, um, we would look, um, a fairly bad in the eyes of some, not all, because people are already breaking these rules. people are already being sent back. and, uh , this germany and france are doing it. we would be doing it as outside the european union,

which is our weakest point. but it doesn't mean we're wrong, and it doesn't mean we're wrong, and it doesn't mean that the, um, the general public who want this to see this done are wrong. either that's what they want and that's what rishi sunak to deliver. >> for trevor, we saw the most damning poll result on monday , a damning poll result on monday, a yougov poll of 14,000 people in the daily telegraph saying that if the election happened now, labour would have 120 labour would have a 120 seat majority . that reform wouldn't majority. that reform wouldn't win any seats , but that they win any seats, but that they would effectively facilitate, uh, such a labour majority. do you agree with that analysis? and what can rishi sunak do between now and a general election to shift those numbers ? election to shift those numbers? >> well, i think that is the truth. that is the picture that we see in the electorates at the moment. um, the conservative voters have been threatening simply to sit on their hands and not vote at all. and now they've got the reform party , which got the reform party, which gives them somewhere to actually go. so i think this is the big challenge to the conservative

party and has been probably since boris went. so i think that the only way that this government is going to turn that view around in any significant sense is to literally be seen to stop the boats. okay >> all right. thank you. trevor trevor kavanagh there i agree with him. it'sjust brilliant. with him. it's just brilliant. >> i agree with him. >> i agree with him. >> and i know the economy and cost of living is huge, but it is all about the government's power looks impotent if power and it looks impotent if it doesn't stop the boats, or at least dramatically reduce the number coming. >> for. um, >> what i'm looking for. um, this is it, i it. so where this is it, i found it. so where streeting going to be taking streeting is going to be taking on an independent british, palestinian muslim in his constituency, it was announced late last night, which is why it hasn't even made the papers yet. this leanne mohammed. this morning, leanne mohammed. and this candidacy. and she's got this candidacy. she votes among the rcg she won the votes among the rcg members, standing out among three prospective candidates and the theory being , and this is the theory being, and this is like i say, it's hot off the press almost midnight last night that in those constituencies where labour are looking to make

huge gains , these independent huge gains, these independent muslim votes who are muslim candid votes who are effectively standing on a palestine israel ticket , it will palestine israel ticket, it will take from keir starmer the labour votes in the same way that richard tice might take conservative votes and therefore that might change everything. >> and in some of these constituency where they're going to stand. i read about this in the mail quite a few weeks ago. hamlets was a labour stronghold, but run by a party but it is being run by a party called aspire. all 26 of the councillors are muslims. yeah, and that's a and it's got 40% muslim vote there. i think labour could lose the seat there and they could and they could lose seats all over the country. think of bradford, think of seats where it's a majority of muslim voters and it's because labour won't support a ceasefire in . and you have people in gaza. and you have people like jeremy corbyn urging on. remember george galloway? yeah he won on. he won a big by—election. um, in scotland on an anti—war ticket . and he won an anti—war ticket. and he won in east london. yeah >> and i believe that george galloway is going to stand as

london mayor as well, which would then also cause damage to rishi you see susan rishi sunak. you might see susan hall rid of sadiq khan hall to get rid of sadiq khan and horrible expansion of and his horrible expansion of the emissions. right. the ultra—low emissions. right. still come this morning. still to come this morning. climate those, those climate change, those, those have been named the children's words of the year. uh, it's crazy, isn't it, that we're giving children this amount of stuff to worry about when they're only little. this is britain's on

monday to thursdays from 6:00 till 930.

>> i'm afraid this is real. both beth and i, we don't always agree, as you know, but we do on this because climate change has been named as the children's words of the by oxford words of the year by oxford university press. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> instead concerning >> instead of concerning themselves with, you know, friends, innocent names for friends, fun, innocent names for his children's books, harry potter children of potter wizards, the children of today are worrying about the planet dying tomorrow. well, leader of the climate party, ed gemmell joins us studio gemmell joins us in the studio and psychologist jo hemmings down the line. joe let me come to you first. um what does this tell you about the mindset of our children and the kind of things that they're preoccupied with? hi, bev. >> hi, andrew. um, look , this >> hi, andrew. um, look, this has been running for a long time . we've had other words in .we've had other words in recent times. we've had covid, we've had brexit, it being the children's word of the year. we've had plastic refugee trump. now there's an enduring one that might be coming back. so they are generally about what kids are generally about what kids

are absorbing and hearing and actually give teachers the opportunity . educators, parents opportunity. educators, parents to talk about their concerns . to talk about their concerns. there's never been an innocent, fun word actually , as long as fun word actually, as long as i've known it in this, children, it was minion. >> it was minion from despicable me. a few years ago. that's right. >> that's about the only one. i think one was hashtag as well, which is, i guess, fairly neutral . uh, look, children are neutral. uh, look, children are concerned . they are absorbing concerned. they are absorbing all this . of course, we still all this. of course, we still want them to have fun and innocence, each year it's innocence, but each year it's been something else. and they are quite long lasting ones. i think the climate change actually , kids can feel hopeless actually, kids can feel hopeless or they can feel they can do something about it. there are ways that they can help , and ways that they can help, and it's good that they understand. and so i'm probably slightly disagreeing with both of you, but the same time, do but at the same time, i do understand concern . burns. understand your concern. burns. um, about this being a child's word of the year. i think the runner up for and the runner up was coronation

>> it's a snapshot, isn't it, though, joe? because 2020 covid was their word of the year 2021. anxiety was actually their word of the year. quite amazingly . of the year. quite amazingly. and then i think you said coronation then became a big. so they are tapped into these events, but maybe we're expecting too much of children. maybe we should be protecting them some degree these. them to some degree from these. what because what are adult issues? because they anything about it. they can't do anything about it. they can't, but they might. >> they need to know to some degree, the one that really bothered me was anxiety. i thought that was a terrible word , of the year, because , word of the year, because that's embracing. and that's all embracing. and really, our children really, we want our children perhaps aware what's perhaps to be aware of what's going world, but to going on in the world, but to not be anxious about it, to feel they can make some contribution, that the world might change for the so anxiety is the better. so anxiety is probably the worst word i ever heard of. the camel. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> thank you, joe ed from the climate party. this is all your fault, isn't it? of course the likes of you lot banging on about that these poor about the fact that these poor children, if they put the central heating on, they're

going the next going to kill the next generation. we generation. then what have we done them, done to them, ed? >> certainly not our fault. >> i mean, let's be honest, we're trying to put it right, so they don't have to have these anxieties in the future. >> um, was interesting >> um, what was interesting about particular study as about this particular study as well wasn't just that well is it wasn't just that climate top, but in climate change was top, but in the six was also the the top six was also the environment. actually they environment. so actually they named as well. so named that in there as well. so really it was the overwhelming issue for young at the issue for young people at the moment. is working beautifully. >> is it not i don't think i don't think brainwashing >> is it not i don't think i dorchildren brainwashing >> is it not i don't think i dorchildren any)rainwashing >> is it not i don't think i dorchildren any more ashing >> is it not i don't think i dorchildren any more ashinit is for children any more than it is for children any more than it is for adults. >> in terms of reading the press or watching the news. we're all involved going on. involved in what's going on. we're on our social we're seeing it on our social media what's media feeds. i think what's interesting perhaps the way interesting is perhaps the way that it in some that children phrased it in some of the quotes they came up with, and i'll a of them out. and i'll read a few of them out. so, 13 if we don't start so, girl 13 if we don't start doing more about it, then more people will suffer. boy 13 people will suffer. um, boy 13 the is getting worse, the weather is getting worse, summers are hotter, storms are worse. they're seeing what's going in their going on around them in their own then more own lives. and then more tellingly, boy 12 it's tellingly, maybe boy 12 it's a serious problem that adults are not seriously. and not taking seriously. and i think most important bit

think the most important bit about is, about this actually, really is, look, kids want to do look, these kids want to do something about it. they recognise would recognise the issue and would take action the time get recognise the issue and would taipower, n the time get recognise the issue and would taipower, it the time get recognise the issue and would taipower, it willie time get recognise the issue and would taipower, it willie ttoo get recognise the issue and would taipower, it willie ttoo late. get to power, it will be too late. but it is up to us now. the 40, 56 year olds leaders at all levels of society now and in businesses in politics businesses and in politics that need take action now to need to take the action now to make kids feel safe. make these kids feel safe. >> but these start this >> but these kids start this survey starts in children as young we really young as six. ed do we really want their heads filled with all this stuff? six, seven, eight, nine why aren't they talking about forward about what they look forward to in summer holidays or in their summer holidays or christmas, favourite christmas, or their favourite character like, um, we character in a book like, um, we saw yeah i mean, saw with minion? yeah i mean, i think i'd love to have them thinking about something else. >> they were thinking >> and if they were thinking about something like about something else, i'd like to we've to think that's because we've solved and they solved the problem and they don't worry don't have to worry about it. i think the other bit i did read into the survey, it's the older age groups that are more significantly mentioning climate change. year change. so the 12 to 14 year olds, it drops olds, particularly and it drops off. doesn't mean the off. it doesn't mean they're the most anxious age group. >> are the most >> 12 to 14 are the most vulnerable in terms of anxiety, because think just because i think that's just a normal joe. isn't that just a

normal joe. isn't that just a normal developmental process? 12 to 14 you start think about to 14 you start to think about death. a death. you maybe lose a grandparent. maybe a grandparent. you maybe lose a pet. know, that's at pet. you know, that's normal at this but turned the this age. but we've turned the volume up so high on this stress that we onto these kids unden >>i unden >> i mean, i agree, i mean, interesting, the subjects they've to cover things they've got to cover are things like natural like politics, natural disasters. also books, disasters. there's also books, films, sports, films, music, celebrity, sports, cars, of this cars, whatever. none of this ever up as the word of the ever comes up as the word of the yean ever comes up as the word of the year, and i find that quite sad and quite sad that women's football or something positive rather than something negative. because if you talk to a lot of teenagers, celebrity is the word you hear a when you. you hear a lot when you. >> i've even talked to kids in school. uh, but what do you want to do when you leave school? and the their hands the number who put their hands up i want to be a up and say, i want to be a celebrity? yeah. >> i mean, that necessarily >> i mean, not that necessarily they the important they will, but the important thing is, i don't know quite how this has covered or how they're surveyed, but i feel they're always quite negative words or i have in recent years and have been in recent years and i wonder where because we do have things look forward there things to look forward to. there are why are they not? are optimisms why are they not? go editor. go on editor. >> word.

>> last word. >> last word. >> think i'd like to >> yeah, i think i'd like to come in and support you. it's all optimism. i mean, all about optimism. i mean, look, we've the climate look, we've formed the climate party issue, grab party to solve the issue, grab the we should party to solve the issue, grab the having we should party to solve the issue, grab thehaving discussions/e should party to solve the issue, grab thehaving discussions aboutjld party to solve the issue, grab the having discussions about how be having discussions about how britain do brilliantly in britain can do brilliantly in this how we can the this sphere, how we can lead the world, going on world, sort out what's going on in this country and actually get everything as everything else functioning as well time, lead the well at the same time, lead the clean industrial revolution, make here, create make money here, create prosperity for prosperity and well—being for british people. and then let's have word a have the children's word in a couple years time about couple of years time about well—being, opportunity. >> and what your favourite >> and what was your favourite word of the year? beard >> favourite word the >> my favourite word of the opportunity of the year is definitely opportunity. it is the century, the opportunity of the century, not year. not just of the year. >> do you know what i wish? i wish kids had critical thinking . wish kids had critical thinking. if give them two words, if i could give them two words, it'd and it'd be critical thinking and work whether your climate work out whether your climate change nailed on. in change is even nailed on. in terms science, said terms of the science, said joe. lovely you, hemmings , lovely to see you, joe hemmings, ed the climate party. >> yeah , yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> b favourite word b well, that critical thinking scepticism, scepticism and cynicism, that's what i like , right? what i like, right? >> what about you? >> what about you? >> um, i have to i think i've got one.

>> come back here. de—man. emma raducanu. remember her? she might have returned to grand slam tennis with strong slam tennis with a strong performance invaluable win performance in an invaluable win for australian performance in an invaluable win for that australian performance in an invaluable win for that much australian performance in an invaluable win for that much morealian your open. that much more after your morning . news morning. news >> thanks, andrew. it's 1133. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb news room. another crucial vote on the controversial rwanda plan will be held later a day after the prime minister faced a major rebellion in his deputy chair, lee anderson and brendan clarke—smith quit after backing proposals to toughen up the bill. around 60 tory mps supported an amendment which was ultimately rejected to prevent uk and international law from stopping or delaying the removal of illegal migrants. stopping or delaying the removal of illegal migrants . mps will of illegal migrants. mps will now continue debating proposed changes, with the bill set to be put to a vote after , as the pm put to a vote after, as the pm faces critical points for his stop the boats policy . five stop the boats policy. five small vessels were intercepted trying to cross the channel this morning . so far, around 200

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that i knew had dewbs& co weeknights from six. >> 1139 with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pearson bev turner, we are joined back in the studio by broadcaster mike parry and former labour mp stephen pound. >> now, earlier on the show , >> now, earlier on the show, head of reform uk richard tice clashed with conservative mp richard over the rwanda richard graham over the rwanda policy. have a watch cannot at the one hand invoke international law when it suits you and totally disregard it when it doesn't suit.

>> i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry. >> this is by the way, this is something for richard tice to consider. imagine a woman seriously ill with a difficult pregnancy being put on a flight to rwanda, and dying halfway on that journey . to rwanda, and dying halfway on that journey. imagine what to rwanda, and dying halfway on that journey . imagine what the that journey. imagine what the impact on the british public of that would be. >> hey, listen, listen. i'm i'm not in favour of the rwanda policy, but your responsibility as a government is to your responsibility is to protect and defend british citizens first and foremost. and you are failing in that responsibility. you bang on about international law and it's ridic callous when you're not defending british citizens. >> i think that's an extraordinary sort of insult . extraordinary sort of insult. tell me, which british citizen in gloucester i have never defended, protected and stood up for. >> but what we're hearing, richard richard graham, i've got to come back. >> i'm sorry, i'm sorry. richard. richard, people are coming across on the on those boats . some of them are boats. some of them are committing crimes. boats. some of them are committing crimes . they are committing crimes. they are committing crimes. they are committing violent acts. rape, torture , drug dealing and torture, drug dealing and tragically , murder. that's about

tragically, murder. that's about defending british citizens and protecting us. and you are failing. >> um . >> um. >> um. >> lively stuff. well, mike, let's go to you first. richard richard tice. his position is quite clear . richard tice. his position is quite clear. he richard tice. his position is quite clear . he says under quite clear. he says under international law, under treaties, he's read them all. a royal naval cutter can pick the people up out of the small boat. and rather than bring him back here. yeah, bringing them here. not back here. bringing them to britain . yeah. take them back to britain. yeah. take them back to france. they might be. there'll be a huge diplomatic railway. france what we france we said that's what we should doing. but should be doing. yeah but there's will do there's no political will to do it, is there? >> no. start off with we haven't got enough navy ships to. if we did it would tokenism did that, it would be tokenism because it perhaps, because we could do it perhaps, once what mean and once you see what i mean and say, look, they're no deterrent. well, it would be if the boats were there the time, but were there all the time, but we've boats now the red we've got boats now in the red sea. we've got boats in the, uh, south pacific because they're looking after our interests around we should hire around the world. we should hire some. well, i'm some. so, yeah. well, look, i'm with there, but where's the with you there, but where's the political will, andrew? there is. don't even

is. i, you know, we don't even push boats back. we should push the boats back. we should be push the boats back. be able to push the boats back. we should have followed the australian model. and when i see the, pm the, uh, former australian pm who ? john howard. howard, who? john howard. john howard, thank much indeed. thank you very much indeed. talking the way we talking about the way we sorted it got offshore. why it and got them offshore. why don't follow that model? don't we follow that model? because because there's no political they're political will. because they're saying, well, you know, if saying, oh, well, you know, if you push the boat back and it sort of tipped over and people fell water, there is no fell in the water, there is no political get tough. political will to get tough. >> sorry australia. what >> well sorry australia. what they've that we haven't got they've got that we haven't got is miles of water is a thousand miles of water between the where between the place where the immigrants from. immigrants were coming from. they've different they've also got 15 different little can put little islands. they can put people up. are no islands people up. there are no islands that i'm aware in the that i'm aware of in the channel. the reality is that channel. but the reality is that richard actually making channel. but the reality is that rich slightly actually making channel. but the reality is that rich slightly censoriouslly making channel. but the reality is that rich slightly censorious pointaking one slightly censorious point about which are you and i have argued about this before, mike. yeah you did manage to yeah if you if you did manage to find a charter company that was somehow get somehow to prepared actually get a of insurance to a vast amount of insurance to actually to rwanda. actually take people to rwanda. of have to have, as of course you'd have to have, as you rightly said, one prison guard single person on guard for every single person on that, just one that, because it just needs one person to stand up. but on on the business about ships in the

channel there is way god's channel there is no way on god's green that a green earth, no way that a ship could actually come up to a rigid inflatable boat and say, we're to, as said, we're going to, as you said, pluck them off onto the ship the minute they'd get minute you did that, they'd get a they'd stab a dagger and they'd stab the boat. they'd start to sink. under the law of the you under the law of the sea. you have people. have to rescue those people. >> but, but, but we've >> but, but, but, but, but we've seen endless pictures of migrants being brought in on tugs naval cutters who have tugs and naval cutters who have been taken off of a dinghy or a small boat and brought here. >> why can't we take. >> why can't we take. >> i don't see that many. that's no we see any. >> that's that shows we can do it. >> yeah. well that's when a ship is, when a boat is sinking and, you know, or a rigid inflatable boat or a light or. >> steven. i don't think it is. what about the rnli boats? they're used like taxi they're used like a taxi service. they service. are you saying they should turn around and go back to france? well, yes. >> not? >> why not? >> why not? >> because the minute >> why not? because the minute they french the they entered french waters, the french actually you french would actually say you cannot here. cannot enter here. >> all money we've spent >> all the money we've spent trying the french to trying to get the french to cooperate could surely cooperate with us could surely include facility sea include some facility at sea for the national

the royal national lifeboat institution go to france institution to go back to france and come here and deliver and not come here and deliver those people safely to another vessel. >> the rnli have said repeatedly that they would not do that. they simply couldn't. that's in complete their complete breach of their charitable but the charitable role. but look, the reality all know we're reality is we all know we're looking this. the wrong end looking at this. the wrong end of the argument we're not of the argument here. we're not looking. we should be looking at where in the where they're coming from in the first should be first place. we should be looking processing them in looking at processing them in france, as did in sangatte france, as we did in sangatte a safe country. >> from a safe. safe country. >> no from a safe. safe country. >> no no from a safe. safe country. >> no no no from a safe. safe country. >> no no no no. from a safe. no, no no no no. >> after that, sorry. look, the point being, the people who come here, of ones who come here, some of the ones who come here, some of the ones who come here illegally, could here complete illegally, could actually have a proper well—founded asylum, well—founded case for asylum, and could them into this and we could get them into this country and paying tax. country working and paying tax. a lot of them should be in country working and paying tax. a lcbootthem should be in country working and paying tax. a lc boot of m should be in country working and paying tax. a lcboot of a should be in country working and paying tax. a lcboot of a caryuld be in country working and paying tax. a lc boot of a car and be in country working and paying tax. a lcboot of a car and driven in the boot of a car and driven back to tehran. >> stephen. only this week we've heard politicians heard even french politicians saying a reason. of them saying a reason. a lot of them head for the uk. is we're a soft touch diraja. >> yeah, we've got a wonderfully developed welfare and developed welfare system and they take advantage it. developed welfare system and the when advantage it. developed welfare system and the when are antage it. developed welfare system and the when are people it. developed welfare system and thewhen are people it. to >> when are people going to start listening you make start listening that if you make this attractive, you this country so attractive, you are entice people here?

are going to entice people here? the are higher the benefits are higher in france in germany. the benefits are higher in fra|well, in germany. the benefits are higher in fra|well, why germany. the benefits are higher in fra|well, why don'tany. the benefits are higher in fra|well, why don't they? >> well, why don't they? >> well, why don't they? >> why do they stay? why don't they stay? >> making the point. the >> they're making the point. the fact isn't just the benefits, fact it isn't just the benefits, it's the language. it's the family connections. >> it's because >> speak english. it's because largely the appeal. >> speak english. it's because largbecause the appeal. >> speak english. it's because largbecause they the appeal. >> speak english. it's because largbecause they the communicate. >> because they can communicate. >> because they can communicate. >> lingua franca. they don't speak french, but we should. >> to process these >> we used to process these cases in sangatte that's cases in sangatte and that's what again, what we should be doing. again, there's know there's no reason why we know there's no reason why we know there's too of them now there's too many of them now because been encouraged. because they've been encouraged. >> it's almost like the >> i mean, it's almost like the chinese silk road, you know what i there's route from chinese silk road, you know what i far there's route from chinese silk road, you know what i far back ere's route from chinese silk road, you know what i far back as's route from chinese silk road, you know what i far back as sortroute from chinese silk road, you know what i far back as sort of ite from chinese silk road, you know what i far back as sort of ethiopia,om as far back as sort of ethiopia, from underground railway and from the underground railway and it's conveyor it's just it's like a conveyor belt. now so such a belt. and now it's so such a developed industry, people forget that people smuggling is the the the biggest industry in the world, billions of world, involving billions of pounds people to across pounds for people to go across the border into the united states for and people to come across country. across europe to this country. and you've smash that model. >> sorry, i would have thought drugs been much more drugs would have been much more than no. than no, no. >> smuggling overtaking >> people smuggling overtaking you it's the same you very often it's the same people, it? people, isn't it? >> it is, it is. >> yeah, it is, it is. >>— >> yeah, it is, it is. >> yeah. you're right. yeah. >> yeah. you're right. yeah. >> we've talked about this

>> um, we've talked about this a lot this morning, and i know it does get temperatures rising, but a few of the but let's tackle a few of the other big stories rowling. other big stories j.k. rowling. so britain's so she's been called britain's nastiest novelist, mike. but it's not quite what it seems. this is it? called her this story is it? who called her that and why, uh, write britain's nastiest novelist. >> comes from new >> uh, this comes from new statesman. just publishing statesman. okay. just publishing left magazine. well, well , left wing magazine. well, well, it's bible of the left, it's the bible of the left, isn't yes. staggers. isn't it? so yes. the staggers. yeah. so new status just in adam ant . now the point yeah. so new status just in adam ant. now the point is that this thing saturday comes is my favourite magazine. >> yeah, it then gets a bit sort of, uh, convoluted because it's all to do with the tv series cormoran strike , which is based cormoran strike, which is based on, uh, jk novels, books, but not on her own name. >> robert galbraith, pseudonym robert galbraith is her pen name and all that. >> and so for moving on to beating up j.k. rowling because she doesn't think that a biological man should be allowed to enter a woman's dressing room in a shop, right. moving on from that, they're now saying she's created a society within these

books. the robert galbraith books, um, cormoran strike , books, um, cormoran strike, which which is , um, exposing the which which is, um, exposing the nasty side of her. the nasty side of life and all sorts of horrible people, abusers , horrible people, abusers, abusers, rapists and far right terrorists . terrorists. >> okay, it's fiction and dramas and murders. >> all i can say is, if you read val mcdermid read, right? yeah. so horrific stuff in there. look. >> and she's been around for donkey's years and nobody calls her the narcissist. >> no, of course, of course they don't, because she's an snp supporter. she is nicola supporter. yes, she is of nicola sturgeon, course. perhaps sturgeon, of course. perhaps that another side. that maybe that's another side. well look, this thing about well look, this this thing about jk country jk rowling in this country nothing like success. it nothing fails like success. it just right. got just seems right. and you've got this of the this person. she's one of the most successful authors we've ever we should be ever known. we should be glorying. indeed. glorying. we should be indeed. and people like emma and we've got people like emma watson, radcliffe, watson, daniel radcliffe, if they're all now people whose whole they're fortunes whole careers they're fortunes have on potter have been based on harry potter books, and they're now thrown a bucket of boiling bucket of a bucket of boiling are pathetic young people who have ghosted her.

have now ghosted her. >> that the word? when you >> is that the word? when you push out of your life push somebody out of your life and on basis they never and then on the basis they never even what she was saying? even read what she was saying? >> anniversary to >> 20th anniversary tributes to harry they refuse to harry potter and they refuse to appear with her. >> well, that's because her. >> well, that's because her. >> that's because there's >> why? that's because there's a very very loud very small but very loud minority. see it repeatedly minority. we see it repeatedly in that cover , in the stories that we cover, and managed to make such and they managed to make such a noise and discredit noise and alienate and discredit somebody like jk rowling, and then you've just got useless idiots like the cast of harry potter, who don't really know what they're standing up for. i know not got enough know they've not got enough critical thinking, just critical thinking, and they just go with the crowd. critical thinking, and they just go so with the crowd. critical thinking, and they just go so the /ith the crowd. critical thinking, and they just go so the besthe crowd. critical thinking, and they just go so the best lack owd. critical thinking, and they just go so the best lack all. >> so the best lack all conviction. worst are conviction. but the worst are full of terrible intensity. full of a terrible intensity. this is a single mother sitting in a coffee in edinburgh, in a coffee bar in edinburgh, writing book sold writing a book that sold millions. given millions. how much has she given this country in taxation alone? >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> also. more than that, >> but also. but more than that, she's whole she's brought a whole generations people generations of young people into books. books. books. and they love books. i know who read harry know people who read harry potter never any potter who've never read any books before. >> yeah. >> absolutely. yeah. >> absolutely. yeah. >> and i don't know if you've ever read the potter ever read the harry potter books. they are magnificent. ever read the harry potter booyeah.|ey are magnificent. ever read the harry potter booyeah. she'se magnificent. ever read the harry potter booyeah. she's i�*nagnificent. ever read the harry potter booyeah. she's i�*nagnifgett. ever read the harry potter booyeah. she's i�*nagnifget all >> yeah. she's i didn't get all of them, actually.

>> i couldn't get through. they remind young remind me of take young emma woolf worst in the world. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> i mean, she she'd be working in a coffee bar now, if it wasn't for the fact that, you know, potter had come know, harry potter had come along by j.k. rowling, along written by j.k. rowling, which made her world star which has made her a world star worth of pounds. worth millions of pounds. >> remind people about >> let's remind people about in the in the harry potter books, she character she played the character hermione. very hermione. she was very irritating in the books, and she'd more she'd become even more irritating real by irritating in real life by turning her back on the woman who created her. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> identify with draco >> i always identify with draco malfoy he big, malfoy myself. he had big, big hair. >> e of talking of >> listen, talking of talking of british recommended mike, you want put a little out want to put a little shout out to tennis player? to emma raducanu tennis player? what's done this morning? what's she done this morning? last word. >> got won a game. >> she's got won a game. actually. >> my heart lit up when >> i mean, my heart lit up when i. won six three, six i. yeah, she won six three, six two the opening game of the two in the opening game of the australian open. we australian open. now we still forget still only 21. forget she is still only 21. yeah won the us at the yeah she won the us open at the age 18 and has become a age of 18 and has become a multi—millionaire on the back of that which i say good luck that which which i say good luck to her because she's she's cashing in on an extraordinary talent. think about talent. but when you think about it, the stresses and strains

mentally physically that it mentally and physically that it took for her to get to that pinnacle have taken their toll on body in the last three on her body in the last three years. it's only because she had two operations last year to each wrist operation an wrist and an operation on an ankle she's finally ankle that she's finally got herself full fitness, herself back to full fitness, and just loved the smile on and i just loved the smile on her when she came through. her face when she came through. she a beautiful yellow dress her face when she came through. she she)eautiful yellow dress her face when she came through. she she lookedil yellow dress her face when she came through. she she looked great. w dress on and she looked great. >> only won one match on >> she has only won one match on her comeback. she only has won one match, she it decisively. >> she won it with a smile on her face. >> she didn't recovery from her injuries. >> isn't it lovely? >> isn't it lovely? >> if you look at the stephen mike long enough in bucharest. >> we got to go. all right. thank you. it's pmqs. of course. um, still come today. this um, today still come today. this morning, keir takes morning, sir keir starmer takes on sunak. with us for on rishi sunak. stay with us for the up our new show the build up to our new show pmqs live. it's very good. don't go anywhere. >> brighter outlook with boxt >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar weather on . gb news. >> hello there . welcome to your >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news. weather update with me annie shuttleworth from the office . we have an amber the met office. we have an amber snow warning in force for

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gb news. >> very good afternoon . it's >> very good afternoon. it's almost midday. we want to hear from you . the i know that our from you. the i know that our are incoming presenters are going to want to hear from you. gloria and christopher hope. let's go live to them . there let's go live to them. there they are. >> prime minister's questions live now. morning to you to big day today. >> morning. >> morning. >> huge day for rishi sunak. of course because we're debating rwanda bill day 260 rebellion 60. uh tory mps rebelled yesterday. the big vote you guys is later third reading. if they vote that down, he's in big trouble . trouble. >> he is. but is that what our viewers and listeners want to talk about today? because don't forget , you know, this runs forget, you know, this runs through everything we do on gb news we want to hear from what our viewers and listeners would ask the prime minister. we're

going to put those questions to our top panel of politicians because i'm sure they will want to talk about rwanda and immigration. but i'm sure there are other things they want going to want about, too. to want to talk about, too. >> they're going >> i'm sure they're going to want about the post office. >> we will see. >> we will see. >> they should do off the evidence. yes. yesterday in the house of course, we house of commons, of course, we heard, didn't we, from a fujitsu andrew and bev. >> to put their >> they're willing to put their hands their pockets. >> they're willing to put their har finally, eir pockets. >> they're willing to put their harfinally, morallyats. >> they're willing to put their har finally, morally they feel >> finally, morally they feel they coughing up for they should be coughing up for they should be coughing up for the the bugs that caused the the for the bugs that caused the misery for hundreds of subpostmasters. is that what what beth? subpostmasters. is that what whtyou beth? subpostmasters. is that what whtyou normally beth? subpostmasters. is that what whtyou normally cracker.’ >> you normally got a cracker. what's question for the you what's your question for the you know what? >> incensed by this >> i'm really incensed by this katharine birbalsingh in katharine birbalsingh being in court week, britain's court this week, britain's strictest i think she's an strictest head. i think she's an absolute model, and i would absolute role model, and i would want rishi do you want to ask rishi sunak, do you want to ask rishi sunak, do you want display your for want to display your support for katharine she's katharine birbalsingh? she's just actually just issued a statement actually on that she has on twitter to say that she has increased the number of muslim pupils in her school by 50. she offers education offers a fantastic education on her muslim, her own. grandmother was muslim, will he show his public support to that does not have to to her that she does not have to provide prayer provide a separate prayer space

for that's for these children? that's a great question. >> and andrew, what's yours on the post office? >> post office, um, >> well, on the post office, um, we want when , when, we i want to know when, when, when government. we've when the government. we've got this inquiry ongoing. when the government. we've got this but inquiry ongoing. when the government. we've got this but iinquiry ongoing. when the government. we've got this but i wanty ongoing. when the government. we've got this but i wanty oknowg. when the government. we've got this but i wanty oknow when chris. but i want to know when the prime minister is going to require fujitsu to write a very, very large check immediately to those postmasters and postmistresses , which isn't postmistresses, which isn't going to be gobbled up in legal fees, because we know when we had the ruling in 2019, had the court ruling in 2019, chris and gloria, it was £58 million compensation. they only got 11 million because the rest was devoured by avaricious lawyers, shamed . full well, lawyers, shamed. full well, thank you, andrew and bev. >> and it's fast approaching midday. >> this is gb news britain's election channel. pmqs live starts right now.

it is almost midday on wednesday, so 17th of january. this is pmqs live on gb news with me gloria de piero and christopher hope. >> in just one moment rishi sunak and keir starmer go head to head at prime minister's questions will have full coverage of every moment, every spit and cough and we'll be getting reaction from health minister caulfield and minister maria caulfield and shadow culture minister stephanie . stephanie peacock. >> what are you hoping very briefly, that your leader is going to going to benefit from today? what's the argument is going to prosecute. so i think he's going to focus probably on the rwanda plan. >> and why it's so important that we get that done. >> and it's that difficult for you. stephanie from laboun >> w- laboun >> all. because >> not at all. because the government, complete chaos. government, in complete chaos. >> so i'm sure rwanda will feature from from the feature from from across the house. it's a big moment. >> i mean, concern, of >> i mean, and concern, of course, mr sunak, he could course, for mr sunak, he could lose a vote tonight. maria. >> let's wait and see. >> well, let's wait and see. >> well, let's wait and see. >> and labour's what would >> um, and labour's what would be today. be labour's saying today. they'll this deal is

they'll be saying this deal is not going to work. this rwanda plan it's completely unworkable. they've wasted £400 million >> they've wasted £400 million of taxpayers money they're of taxpayers money and they're in complete chaos with resignations. his resignations. he can't unite his own be crossing own party. we'll be crossing to pmqs live as soon as he's on his feet. >> e email your >> please, please email your questions. would you ask questions. what would you ask the it is the prime minister today? it is your pmqs. >> that's right. we found your questions are better than questions are far better than anyone's. can dream up in the anyone's. we can dream up in the studio . and mps are studio. and indeed, mps are asking last week's big asking notably, last week's big question whether there question was was whether there should knighthood from mr should be a knighthood from mr alan bates from the post office and went viral that and what went went viral that question there from question the answer there from from mcvey. from esther mcvey. so any question best question question your best question pinging it to us and we'll ask our to let us cross live our panel to let us cross live to the prime minister's questions >> the speaker is on his feet , >> the speaker is on his feet, about to start prime minister's question. this is sort of the bare knuckle fighting of westminster. this is when you really get to see their mettle, what they are made of. >> what's it like now in the chamber, maria? when you're waiting for the pm to speak, is a moment of tension. it is very noisy. >> it's quite hard living