voting for amendments justify voting for amendments today , today? and then walking today, today? and then walking back in and voting for an unamended bill? >> well, patrick, i'm glad i asked the same question of the host of this program, jacob rees—mogg. and he told me i was getting all my facts in a muddle, but i don't think i'm very muddled about it because it's pretty clear he voted against the government yesterday and government tonight against the government yesterday anthird government tonight against the government yesterday anthird reading, 'ernment tonight against the government yesterday anthird reading, 'ernnit's: tonight against the government yesterday anthird reading, 'ernnit's quite ht at third reading, and it's quite hard for others and people like you and me, maybe to understand what is going on. i think they were to force the were trying to force the government, one government, maybe to accept one of robert of these amendments from robert jenrick, to it writing jenrick, to put it in writing that on monday to gb that commitment on monday to gb news from prime minister that he would these pyjama news from prime minister that he would from these pyjama news from prime minister that he would from the these pyjama news from prime minister that he would from the from pyjama news from prime minister that he would from the from theama news from prime minister that he would from the from the court orders from the from the court in strasbourg if it ruled that way to ban these flights. the idea was then why not get that in writing from the government or held firm? or the government's held firm? and suspect win and i suspect will win with a majority of, of 20 or 30 tonight. >> okay . so a majority of 20 or >> okay. so a majority of 20 or 30 now we'll let you hotfoot it over to westminster for us in a second chopper. but stay where you for because i think

you are for now because i think we're rather short sighted we're being rather short sighted about i'm going about all of this. and i'm going to talking about this to be talking about this throughout the course of the show well. let's say it gets show as well. let's say it gets through which it through tonight, which it probably because probably will. why? because a load not my words. load of people, not my words. christopher some christopher the views of some people think a people on twitter think that a lot tory rebels are lot of the tory rebels are gutless, cowards. gutless, spineless cowards. but then to through then it's got to get through the lords, he's got to lords, hasn't it? so he's got to get the house of lords. get through the house of lords. and then it's still going end get through the house of lords. an

tonight patrick probably go. off you now. katherine forster is diligently there for us in just a second, and hopefully we're going to be to talking a couple of mps well. this is live of mps as well. this is live right in the house of right now in the house of commons. okay, so we are just moments away from finding out the result of this crucial voting on the rwanda bill. it is, of course, a pivotal moment for the prime minister who has promised the british public that he will do whatever it takes to stop the boats ahead of a general this general election later this yeah general election later this year. knows that year. rishi sunak knows that getting immigration getting illegal immigration under control the under control could be the difference . okay, it could make difference. okay, it could make all the difference for him. he could steer the conservative cause. well, frankly, it's the only hope they've it, only hope they've got, isn't it, towards unlikely in towards an unlikely victory in the push back and the polls. but but push back and push back and push back from the right party, the right of the party, the so—called five families, which evaporate and evaporate into about two and a half families, which potentially tonight have genuinely evaporated families. evaporated into no families. they're family. they they're not a family. they wanted the bill toughened so that if needed, the government

could bypass european courts. look, we are genuinely in a situation where people have resigned from their jobs or been sacked from their jobs, who have voted yesterday and today for amendments to a bill who are about about to go and vote for an unamended bill. what's your response to that? vaiews@gbnews.com. do you think that they're doing all that it takes to keep the conservative party in power? is that fundamentally their job, or are they gutless, spineless cowards? katherine us now katherine forster joins us now from the hall in westminster, where, yes, in that very building in not very building is all important. vote we'll be taking. catherine, what's going on? are ? on? where you are? >> yes. so so the high drama reaching its peak in the next few minutes . patrick, we've had few minutes. patrick, we've had two days, haven't we, of rebellions of a lot of sound, of a lot of fury , and of a lot of a lot of fury, and of a lot of conservatives voting against the government. but the crunch time

is coming in the next 15 minutes or so, because the only vote, which ultimately matters is the final vote about to take place on the third reading, which is just finishing shortly. now in the house of commons. now now, we don't know what's going to happen, but i saw the chief whip, simon hart, a little bit earlier before voting on all these amendments started. he was looking, i have to say, pretty relaxed. i was also to talking a senior minister who was also saying that his sense was this bill is going to go through rishi sunak will be able to breathe a huge sigh of relief. so let's see what happens. but i think worth mentioning that despite the numbers holding up, we had the most significant of these votes tonight was on robert jenrick . the former robert jenrick. the former immigration minister. his amendment to put it into the bill that it would we'd have to

ignore any rulings. pyjama or injunctions, as they call them, from the european court of human rights. he wanted that put into the bill. the government are saying, don't worry about it . saying, don't worry about it. we're going to ignore it anyway if it happens. they wanted that actually, physically in the bill and they still had the high numbers for that. so 65 tories voted for that . a lot of the voted for that. a lot of the same names from last night. but when it comes to the vote, which is about to take place, the chance is are that all but a very few number of them are going to fall into line. now, i spoke to brendan clarke—smith, one of the deputy chairman , who one of the deputy chairman, who resigned last night. one of the deputy chairman, who resigned last night . um, he resigned last night. um, he voted against the government last night . and tonight i said last night. and tonight i said to him, are you going to support this? the big bill, the one that matters? he wasn't saying. i said, are you going to abstain? of course, we don't know how many might decide that. okay they daren't vote against it. but they can't bring themselves to vote for it . it

but they can't bring themselves to vote for it. it is but they can't bring themselves to vote for it . it is possible to vote for it. it is possible that it could fail if a lot of people simply abstain, but i don't think that's going to happen. and basically it's because the consequences would because the consequences would be disastrous. disastrous for rishi sunak . be disastrous. disastrous for rishi sunak. his authority be disastrous. disastrous for rishi sunak . his authority would rishi sunak. his authority would be shot . labour would be calling be shot. labour would be calling for a general election. it would be absolute chaos . so i for a general election. it would be absolute chaos. so i think they've looked over the precipice and it looks like they're not going to jump. but let's see what happens in the coming moments. >> catherine, thank you very, very much. and i know that you're to be you're going to be there diligently for us little diligently for us for a little bit, hopefully we can try bit, and hopefully we can try and a couple of mps as and grab a couple of mps as well. christopher hope, our political editor, going to political editor, is going to be joining some point joining you at some point soon as make that you as well. so make sure that you keep news tonight. keep it gb news for us tonight. everybody. jess everybody. we can see jess phillips standing in house phillips standing in the house of the moment, no of commons at the moment, no doubt banging on about how immoral rwanda is immoral the rwanda plan is despite not having any kind of plan the labour plan whatsoever from the labour party the migrant party to deal with the migrant crisis migrant crisis or the channel migrant crisis. up, crisis. this just sums it up, doesn't look at all of that doesn't it? look at all of that absolute, complete utter absolute, complete and utter histrionics the histrionics we're seeing at the moment the house of commons. moment in the house of commons. we've group of people

we've got one group of people who they found some who decided that they found some principles, those principles, and they put those principles, and they put those principles the back the principles down the back of the sofa they can vote for sofa so they can vote for something prop bloke. he something to prop up a bloke. he says it takes, says he'll do whatever it takes, but whatever it takes. but won't do whatever it takes. and side, saying and another side, they're saying that the migrant that they care about the migrant crisis despite doing everything they welcome they can to block it. welcome to britain. i hope you're enjoying yourselves. by my yourselves. i'm joined now by my wonderful panel. tonight we have got hamilton. we've got christine hamilton. we've got christine hamilton. we've got brooks, we've got got adam brooks, we've got matthew . we're going be matthew laza. we're going to be taking live as soon as taking this vote live as soon as we get it. look, i'm actually going to start you, going to start with you, adam, tonight getting tonight because i'm getting a lot emails about this, and lot of emails in about this, and i help but wonder whether lot of emails in about this, and i not help but wonder whether lot of emails in about this, and i not atelp but wonder whether lot of emails in about this, and i not at theiut wonder whether lot of emails in about this, and i not at the momentzr whether lot of emails in about this, and i not at the moment we're ther or not at the moment we're deaung or not at the moment we're dealing with a of people on dealing with a lot of people on the wing tory party the right wing of the tory party who mouth and no trousers. >> they are all getting slaughtered twitter. slaughtered on twitter. >> mean, coward , um, know, >> i mean, coward, um, you know, sell outs. >> they're being called every name under the sun. how can you vote

you've. that there are a few of them that are for the people of this country. and now it looks like they've all u—turned or sold out. i'm really disappointed. and i tweeted it earlier and it's got a lot of traction. i think the conservatives are going to get annihilated at the next election. they had a chance here to put pressure on, on change and maybe force a change of leadership. rishi sunak cannot win an election. it's impossible . i won't vote for him. i don't know anyone that will. so why are they sticking with this man? it looks as if they're trying to keep their own jobs for another six months. it's embarrassing . six months. it's embarrassing. >> jeremy corbyn is currently standing up in the house of commons at the moment, giving his particular diatribe. don't his particular diatribe. i don't know if might be able to know if we might be able to actually that actually take some of that at some soon, um, yeah, some point soon, but, um, yeah, jeremy is now wading jeremy corbyn is now wading in, so hopefully this thing gets wrapped can wrapped up soon and we can actually vote . actually get to the vote. matthew, have seen ever and matthew, have we seen ever and i'm including the brexit issue

in this a bigger disconnect i >> literally. >> literally. >> he's betting. he's betting he's better. >> the ends pany.a ends party. a lot of people with eyes in their head and brains in their head as well, can say you need to do in order to actually get this working . uh, amendment get this working. uh, amendment ten, the notwithstanding clause. so it gives the government leeway to officially just ignore the rulings from both domestic

and international courts when they issue a ruling that would prevent or delay the removal to rwanda of any individual. so total supremacy for us here, a sovereign nation, no . didn't sovereign nation, no. didn't decide to didn't decide to go ahead with that. 64 mps decided to back that amendment. clearly not a majority. those included the former immigration .judges . judges in foreign courts

at 2:00 in the morning, people from san marino getting involved with our borders know that failed as well. okay, fine. christine what's the point? >> well, what's the point? the whole thing is just ridiculous. >> talking shop . >> talking shop. >> talking shop. >> i mean, sunak has been >> i mean, rishi sunak has been toast a long sorry. toast for a long time. sorry. this is he thinks this is this is if he thinks this is a last ditch attempt to save his premiership. complete premiership. he's complete wrong. mean, he's a dead duck wrong. i mean, he's a dead duck walking. and where are the men of principle and women? of course, who should be there in the house of commons? why aren't they way they voting this all the way through? they through? why aren't they standing for what they say standing up for what they say they mean, they believe in? i mean, lee anderson has resigned over it, and yet apparently still and yet apparently he's still going for it at end going to vote for it at the end of day, is extra of the day, that is extra ordinary. i mean, that's diametrically views. and diametrically opposed views. and i let's see what these i mean, let's see what these rebels far , there's only rebels do so far, there's only been one letter, apparently only one mp has admitted to sending a letter, jenkyns, but who letter, andrea jenkyns, but who knows ? they would suicidal to knows? they would be suicidal to change sunak. we're nobody else could be any worse. but what's the point for those of us watching online or on your television screens, what you will seeing is chris will be seeing now is chris

bryant for bryant standing up for fantastic, isn't it? >> of deep seated honour >> the man of deep seated honour and to and integrity who decided to absolutely spout a load of rubbish about nigel farage in relation russia and then not relation to russia and then not really any really apologised for any of that stuff. of he's that stuff. but of course he's good to get his views out there. isn't he good to his moral isn't he good to get his moral bastion goodness bastion of goodness in this world look world on this rwanda bill? look adam, do you think

for brexit, we would not be

and. >> what rishi wants to do, what rishi wants to do, are you going to do rwanda, which i don't think is a good idea. >> i think there's other ways to stop the boats. then you are going to have leave the going to have to leave the echr the in rwanda is the echr in place. rwanda is never going to happen. >> one thing. if >> no, but that's one thing. if you dorries is you believe nadine dorries is rishi sunak running this country , you know, is he making these decisions ? no, because to decisions? no, because to someone on the outside it looks like he's not. >> well, well, well look very shortly, very shortly i'm going to be taking you back into the corridors of power in westminster, not just for the vote, where going to vote, but where we're going to be political be joined by our political edhon be joined by our political editor, christopher i'm editor, christopher hogue. i'm going you david going to be taking you to david campbell—bannerman as well, who's massively prominent who's a massively prominent figure in the grass roots of the conservative okay, so conservative party okay, so we're going be

with you voting for a bill or a not voting against it, not voting against it. why have why have you? and why have these ruined so—called rwanda rebels? i mean, the rwanda non rebels now, aren't they? but the so—called rwanda rebels rip their own party apart over this , let party apart over this, let voters up and down the hill at least 2 or 3 times, and then decided still to what was the point of any of this? what was the point? absolutely not. >> i don't think we would not be sitting here right now in the nation, be sitting sitting here right now in the natio right be sitting sitting here right now in the natio right now be sitting sitting here right now in the natio right now having;itting sitting here right now in the natioright now having ating here right now having a conversation what a mess conversation about what a mess the conservative was the conservative party was in. >> if they'd have actually just just start just decided from the start to back knew that was back this, if they knew that was where it was going end up anyway. >> you know won who's

>> do you know won who's tonight? and that's richard tice and because the and the reform party because the amount that i'm amount of messages that i'm getting on twitter saying that's the last straw, they have just simply, you know , absolutely simply, you know, absolutely destroyed themselves tonight. the trust is gone . and these the trust is gone. and these rebels have seriously damaged their own reputations . their own reputations. >> well, matthew, i mean, it is it is bonkers if they just kept their mouths shut over it. yeah absolutely. actually, the conservative party will be in much than it is. much better shape than it is. >> i can tell i'll >> yeah. and i can tell i'll tell you what people on the tell you what the people on the centre left of the tory tell you what the people on the centrewill left of the tory tell you what the people on the centrewill be ft of the tory tell you what the people on the centrewill be furiouse tory tell you what the people on the centrewill be furious thaty tell you what the people on the centrewill be furious that you party will be furious that you know, they've made know, that they've they've made all and then walked all this fuss and then walked them whole them back again. so the whole row the damage has been row and all the damage has been for pointless and remember, the prime minister promised prime minister has promised them that to these that he's going to ignore these judges. is that. so. judges. is that. that's so. but you that's that's the deal you know, that's that's the deal he's see what that's not >> let's see what that's not going he's never going to happen. he's he's never shown balls in his whole shown any balls in his whole tenure. is he going to tenure. why is he going to start doing tenure. why is he going to start doiichristine . your views. >> christine. your views. >> christine. your views. >> well, no, i mean, i'm appalled the whole thing, but appalled by the whole thing, but i have i think the rebels have they've betrayed themselves . they've betrayed themselves. they've betrayed themselves. they've betrayed themselves. they've

betrayed the people who supported i think you supported them. and i think you described it talk no described it as all talk and no trousers. i'm quite sure trousers. i'm not quite sure what but that'll what that means, but that'll do. >> . i mean absolutely. and >> yeah. i mean absolutely. and i mean, as we said, i think this i mean, as we said, we showed how desperately we i think this i mean, as we said, we sian ed how desperately we i think this i mean, as we said, we sian electioniesperately we i think this i mean, as we said, we sian electioniespeand.y we need an election now and actually it would have been the country have been grateful country would have been grateful if become a confidence if this had become a confidence vote that lost, because vote that they'd lost, because then we'd have your lot in power. but sadly, power. and this is but sadly, most people do. >> adam, this is the problem. most people do. >> lit'sn, this is the problem. most people do. >> lit's going is the problem. most people do. >> lit's going to the problem. most people do. >> lit's going to get problem. most people do. >> lit's going to get seriously and it's going to get seriously worse under government . worse under a labour government. >> i don't want a labour government all, but i mean, government at all, but i mean, this lot have thrown away. this lot have thrown it away. it's their own fault. this lot have thrown it away. it's have their own fault. this lot have thrown it away. it's have broughtwn fault. this lot have thrown it away. it's have brought thisault. this lot have thrown it away. it's have brought this on:. they have brought this on themselves and on the country. >> agreed. >> agreed. >> i mean, can it get any worse? that's the thing, because it's going get overturned, isn't it? >> absolutely. mean, it? >> absolutely. i mean, you know, the that the british that the idea that the british that britain suddenly the idea that the british that britain uh, suddenly the idea that the british that britain uh, courts suddenly the idea that the british that britain uh, courts ,suddenly the idea that the british that britain uh, courts , this enly the idea that the british that britain uh, courts , this isly the idea that the british that britain uh, courts , this is a ignore, uh, courts, this is a conservative party, which is policy haven't the policy is we haven't got the balls to use, adam. we haven't got the balls to say in law we're going to ignore foreign courts. don't worry, lads, courts. but don't worry, lads, we're anyway. we're going to do it anyway. it's just pretty outrageous. we're going to do it anyway. it's can pretty outrageous. we're going to do it anyway. it's can see ty outrageous. we're going to do it anyway. it's can see why,trageous. we're going to do it anyway. it's can see why, youzous. we're going to do it anyway. it's can see why, you know, you can see why, you know, people the party people on the left of the party are getting very upset treating

voters . voters with contempt. >> it's getting a few >> you know, it's getting a few pr headlines. hoping pr headlines. rishi is hoping that a daily that there's going to be a daily mail says, we are mail headline that says, we are going to ignore the european mail headline that says, we are going tandiore the european mail headline that says, we are going tand courts,e european mail headline that says, we are going tand courts, and opean mail headline that says, we are going tand courts, and they'll judges and courts, and they'll probably that, you know, probably get that, you know, someone will someone in the mail will probably do that them. and probably do that for them. and it them with few it will help them with a few voters. as as any voters. but as soon as any flight goes take off, they'll flight goes to take off, they'll have flight goes to take off, they'll hav this be flight goes to take off, they'll havthis be tested. flight goes to take off, they'll havyou be tested. flight goes to take off, they'll havyou actuallytested. flight goes to take off, they'll havyou actually wanted to cling >> you actually wanted to cling on to power, okay? and you realise about get an realise you're about to get an absolute would. absolute kicking. you would. i would , do whatever would have thought, do whatever it you would the it takes. you would roll the dice wouldn't would dice, wouldn't you? you would say, just do say, right, okay, let's just do what of ten what nine out of ten constituencies the want constituencies in the uk want to do . let's just do what the vast do. let's just do what the vast majority british public majority of the british public want just want to do. let's actually just go. we're not go. you know what? we're not going in power long it going to be in power long as it currently let's just do currently stands. let's just do whatever it takes and instead they've that. christine. >> well, i don't think rishi sunakis >> well, i don't think rishi sunak is brexiteer in his sunak is a brexiteer in his heart. that's trouble his heart. that's the trouble in his soul. he's soul. i think he's a he's a globalist, frankly, and i don't think would mind too much if think he would mind too much if the whole thing, whole sort of brexit thing collapsed we brexit thing collapsed and we were back into the, into were ushered back into the, into the eu. really don't think he the eu. i really don't think he would mind. he's not heart and soul independent britain

soul with an independent britain that think is one of the that i think is one of the fundamental problems and therefore prepared to therefore he's not prepared to fight for it. >> conservative party >> if the conservative party want chance in the next want any chance in the next general election, they rid general election, they get rid of rishi now and that i think it's too late and they can't keep promising what they can't deliver. >> that's the key thing. >> that's the key thing. >> that's the key thing. >> that's a big discussion. absolutely is it? we we are absolutely is it? we are. we are going be at some point going to be at some point bringing david campbell—bannerman into the fray and hopefully going and hopefully as well going to christopher hope, who should be in near the house of in that near the house of commons some point, commons for us at some point, which will be absolutely lovely. commons for us at some point, whic but ll be absolutely lovely. commons for us at some point, whic but before bsolutely lovely. commons for us at some point, whic but before that,tely lovely. commons for us at some point, whic but before that, we lovely. commons for us at some point, whic but before that, we are ely. um, but before that, we are going to be having a discussion about whether or not actually it is too late to get rid of rishi, whether or not they should look. rishi probably will will be bringing live bringing this vote to you live in just few moments time, but in just a few moments time, but rishi will win this tonight. i mean, is this not a victory for rishi? in that sense, you can't mean, is this not a victory for rish get| that sense, you can't mean, is this not a victory for rish get| that him a, you can't mean, is this not a victory for rish get| that him now,| can't mean, is this not a victory for rish get| that him now, can1't you? >> well, it is in a basic sense, yes, a sort of schoolboy yes, in a sort of schoolboy sense. it's a victory because he's vote. but not he's won the vote. but it's not really a no. >> mean, some of the papers >> i mean, some of the papers have been claiming it would be a great government great victory. government gets its a its legislation through with a

with lot of with a majority after a lot of fuss. it's not ultimately a great victory and a great win in politics, you know politics, is it? so you know it's bare minimum you should it's the bare minimum you should expect. and it shows expect. and frankly, it shows how this government how how bad this government is that its that we're regarding getting its bafic that we're regarding getting its basic as any basic legislation through as any sort at all. don't sort of victory at all. don't you agree, christine? >> i do i mean, i'm slightly shellshocked by the whole thing. i mean, this this government has just ahead just been steamrolling ahead from bad to worse over the last few . and culminating few months. and it's culminating in complete and utter in this complete and utter fiasco. the p&o bill is never, ever , no plane is ever. and ever, no plane is ever. and we've still written the checks off. >> so if you know, look, nothing's being done about immigration. if you know you're going to lose an election, why with with this leader, why would you stick with him? i don't care what the optics look like about changing leader again. they should done it in the should never have done it in the first it's their own fault. >> it would be the fourth since the matter. the optics. >> matter. the optics. >> matter. the optics. >> i'm just counting them. they're. >> they're so many. it does not matter. are losing. >> they're so many. it does not ma'chelsea are losing. >> they're so many. it does not ma'chelsea changed ng. a >> chelsea changed managers a lot still ended up lot of times and still ended up winning league. i winning the champions league. i mean, well mean, there might as well

another the dice. mean, there might as well anolet's the dice. mean, there might as well ano let's see the dice. mean, there might as well anolet's see what1e dice. mean, there might as well anolet's see what happens. >> let's see what happens. they've why not? it's they've got. why not? it's because that because nothing getting in that sense. because nothing getting in that senthey nothing to lose. >> they have nothing to lose. yeah absolutely. >> rating than >> if your rating is worse than keir would who keir starmer, who would they who would they. >> would they go for? >> who would they go for? >> who would they go for? >> in pretty kemi badenoch. >> well, the fact that >> well, the fact is that we've landed where landed in a situation where there genuine rumours that there are genuine rumours that at rishi sunak's at some point rishi sunak's going for going to make way for david cameron, going to parachute. >> yeah, i was about to say david cameron, of course, is the elephant in this room? what? cameron doesn't want to leave the doesn't want to be. the echr? he doesn't want to be. you wants to keep his you know, he wants to keep his international respectability. he wants uh, his wants to keep his, uh, his chances of directorships for when it's all over happens. >> that are >> that proves that there are people, using as people, you know, using mps as pawns. that pawns. that means that that would planned for would have been planned for a long nadine doris long time. as nadine doris has said, would a real said, that would show a real sinister side of the conservative party. if david cameron ends as our prime cameron ends up as our prime minister or leader again, that will be a disgrace. the first time we've had the conservative party managed actually party managed to actually alienate literally everybody over alienate literally everybody oveanybody who might been >> anybody who might have been a little oh, by little bit on the fence. oh, by the see live shots the way, we can see live shots from the house of commons. well now. be going in now. so people will be going in

to cast our vote. make sure that you it gb news here you do keep it gb news here because we'll be bringing you that we get it. that vote as soon as we get it. and taking live from the and taking a live feed from the commons, getting the reaction from editor from our political editor christopher the christopher hope, getting the reaction as well . um, reaction from mps as well. um, but look, have they actually done the worst of both worlds here because alienated here because they've alienated the right. right. the people on the right. right. which who thought that which is anyone who thought that anyone anderson or which is anyone who thought that anyonrees—mogg1derson or which is anyone who thought that anyonrees—mogg actually)r jacob rees—mogg actually had a spine. you've got now spine. and then you've got now anyone who might have been quivering whether not quivering about whether or not they the tories they really thought the tories were a functional government, can recognise. can clearly recognise. >> absolutely. you know, that kind the >> absolutely. you know, that kind wall, the >> absolutely. you know, that kind wall, uh, the >> absolutely. you know, that kind wall, uh, will the >> absolutely. you know, that kind wall, uh, will be, the >> absolutely. you know, that kind wall, uh, will be, wills >> absolutely. you know, that kind wall, uh, will be, will be blue wall, uh, will be, will be hopping to the lib dems and obviously got a solid obviously labour's got a solid 40 odd percent in the polls, by the deserves exactly what the way, deserves exactly what they the way, deserves exactly what the but they're gonna get >> but yeah, they're gonna get a labour because labour government. yeah. because the government and i'm labour government. yeah. because the to government and i'm labour government. yeah. because the to sayovernment and i'm labour government. yeah. because the to say something and i'm labour government. yeah. because the to say something reali'm labour government. yeah. because the to say something real out going to say something real out of sync here. >> yeah. this next election is going to be full on immigration. ian, said, most ian, as we said, most constituents , constituents want constituents, constituents want less people coming to this country . i would get rid of country. i would get rid of rishi sunak and install suella braverman and go full on roll

the dice because people not their only hope. people know that suella would try and sort this out if she had full power , this out if she had full power, you know, it would be such a bold move. >> but you're right in the sense, yeah, i agree, i do. >> i would like to gamble with that move. under rishi sunak, the finished. >> yeah. well you're i think you're absolutely right. the people matter , the voters people who matter, the voters who matter obviously we all matter. the people who matter. but the people who matter. but the people who matter voted matter are the people who voted tory 2019 and what they tory in 2019 and what they think. although the mass of think. and although the mass of voters apparently put the economy health service economy in the health service above immigration, the people who tory in now not who voted tory in are now not inclined to, um, are enormously higher statistics . so those are higher statistics. so those are the ones rishi needs to worry about. >> those are the ones who are particularly concerned about immigration. yeah absolutely. >> you look at statistics, >> you look at the statistics, all different all the different questions they're the they're asked, 90% of the tory voters that it's voters in 2019 think that it's bad. whatever the question, etc. voters in 2019 think that it's bad. vare ever the question, etc. voters in 2019 think that it's bad. vare the' the question, etc. voters in 2019 think that it's bad. vare the onesquestion, etc. voters in 2019 think that it's bad. vare the ones he stion, etc. voters in 2019 think that it's bad. vare the ones he has], etc. voters in 2019 think that it's bad. vare the ones he has to etc. those are the ones he has to worry about and he is losing those by dozen, by the those by the dozen, by the hundred, by the thousand. yeah. >> because they're either thinking, either thinking, well, they're either going reform , they're

going to reform, they're going to going at to say they're going to stay at home or some are coming are going labour because going back to labour because they've other, you going back to labour because they'v they other, you going back to labour because they'v they frankly other, you going back to labour because they'v they frankly think,. you going back to labour because they'v they frankly think, why know, they frankly think, why not? of two choices. >> the only name that would >> the only name that i would probably trust immigration. probably trust with immigration. and i think they'd get a lot of reform back. and i think they'd get a lot of reform just back. and i think they'd get a lot of reform just going:. and i think they'd get a lot of reform just going to stop you >> i'm just going to stop you guys there we're going >> i'm just going to stop you guys �*right we're going >> i'm just going to stop you guys �*right now we're going >> i'm just going to stop you guys �*right now into ne're going >> i'm just going to stop you guys �*right now into thee going >> i'm just going to stop you guys �*right now into the hallsg to go right now into the halls of where of westminster, where our political christopher of westminster, where our politicjoins christopher of westminster, where our politicjoins us. christopher of westminster, where our politicjoins us. and stopher of westminster, where our politicjoins us. and i:opher of westminster, where our politicjoins us. and i believe hope, joins us. and i believe that he joined by by robert that he is joined by by robert buckland. i think that's right, christopher. good stuff. okay. go on, it over to you. go on, throw it over to you. now. going on? now. what's going on? >> is that all right? >> is that all right? >> hello, patrick. i've sprinted at hotfooted from our studio in westminster to the cold, draughty ancient hall. the westminster hall in parliament, where mps are voting right now on the crucial third reading. the read the vote , which could the read the vote, which could see the entire plan sunk but more likely saved by people like sir robert buckland , the former sir robert buckland, the former justice secretary, who joins me now . robert forecast it now, now. robert forecast it now, who's going to win ? who's going to win? >> i think the government are going to win. i think there are some colleagues who have gone

into the no lobby, but i think it will be a government win. i'm not the numbers not going to call the numbers as we this place, we always say, in this place, the has the numbers. the chief whip has the numbers. uh sometimes that's not true uh and sometimes that's not true . but so it is one of those moments of, you know , drama moments of, you know, drama where everybody waiting for the vote. i think the government vote. but i think the government will prevail tonight. >> atmosphere in >> what's the atmosphere like in the is it like the lobbies? is it is it like the lobbies? is it is it like the brexit all over again? the brexit days all over again? there's been shouting and there's have been shouting and swearing calm swearing or is everyone calm and relaxed? swearing or is everyone calm and relaxed it to be calm, >> no. it seems to be calm, quite serious. moment. you quite serious. uh, moment. you know, serious matters. know, these are serious matters. we're debating huge challenge . we're debating a huge challenge. not just britain, but to the not just to britain, but to the rest the how are we rest of the west. how are we going with this ongoing going to deal with this ongoing problem? not going to problem? it's not going to go away time and what the away any time soon. and what the uk to genuinely uk is trying to do is genuinely groundbreaking. is groundbreaking. so this is difficult that's why difficult stuff. and that's why we've spent 12 hours debate difficult stuff. and that's why we it. spent 12 hours debate difficult stuff. and that's why we it. i'vent 12 hours debate difficult stuff. and that's why we it. i've been1ours debate difficult stuff. and that's why we it. i've been speaking ebate difficult stuff. and that's why we it. i've been speaking forite on it. i've been speaking for the end an hour. i make the thick end of an hour. i make no for this is no apology for that. this is important making and now important law making and now lawmakers are making their decision . decision. >> are you comfortable with how decision. >> this you comfortable with how decision. >> this bill comfortable with how decision. >> this bill goes, rtable with how decision. >> this bill goes, or ble with how decision. >> this bill goes, or is; with how decision. >> this bill goes, or is itrvith how far this bill goes, or is it going far ? because you are, going too far? because you are, of course, an mp from left. of course, an mp from the left. you your amendments, you you had your amendments, you didn't today, didn't push forward today, did you? you concerned about

you? but are you concerned about what this will do for the relationship between the government, parliament and courts ? well, yes, i am. courts? well, yes, i am. >> i think this really pushes the margins. i think i'm afraid politics is the art of the possible. if i had been in charge of it, perhaps it would have been a different but have been a different form. but you necessarily get you can't necessarily always get what want, you have to what you want, and you have to compromise. and that's we compromise. and that's where we are. plan. we have a are. we need a plan. we have a plan. we need to get on with it. and that's why i've supported the government tonight, though i think there are aspects of think that there are aspects of this that we need to make this bill that we need to make sure work well and as smoothly as and why as possible. and that's why rwanda , i them with the rwanda, i want them with the best the get on best will in the world to get on with they they were with what they said they were going to do and make sure those processes work well. say you processes work well. you say you need though, robert need a plan, though, robert buckland, doesn't buckland, but if a plan doesn't work, point of the work, what's the point of the plan? is only part plan? well, this is only part of a think the prime a big plan. i think the prime minister's on albania minister's success on albania really reducing the numbers from albania being albania to the work that's being done. you know, done. i think, you know, generally to speed up claims, get them sorted , get them get them sorted, get them through the system, all that is good. you more and more

good. you know, more and more these are closing. these hotels are closing. another my patch another announcement in my patch only yesterday hotel is only yesterday another hotel is going closed. that's good going to be closed. that's good news. progress that news. that's the progress that people to see. this slow people want to see. this is slow . so is difficult. this is . so this is difficult. this is a challenge not just for our country . and i think a bit of country. and i think a bit of honesty is what we need. i want to stop the boats, but we've got to stop the boats, but we've got to way. and to do it in a sensible way. and when will the first flights take off? >> do you think? >> do you think? >> well, think the home >> well, look, i think the home secretary said in spring, >> well, look, i think the home secrand/ said in spring, >> well, look, i think the home secrand isaid in spring, >> well, look, i think the home secrand i know spring, >> well, look, i think the home secrand i know chrisspring, >> well, look, i think the home secrand i know chris from], >> well, look, i think the home secrand i know chris from our you and i know chris from our hard westminster , hard years at westminster, spnng hard years at westminster, spring civil service can spring in the civil service can mean as 21st of june. mean as late as 21st of june. um, this year i don't see um, i hope this year i don't see why not. bearing in mind the will of parliament and the to will of parliament and the to will scheme moving. so will get this scheme moving. so uh, let's keep on pushing the government to make sure that happens. bill is happens. passing the bill is probably the best ways we probably one of the best ways we can that. but you say the can do that. but you say the will of parliament, that includes house lords. includes house of lords. >> jolly well as i >> now, you know jolly well as i do. lords are going do. the house of lords are going to this bill like old to gut this bill like an old trout pull out all the trout and pull out all the innards force you guys to innards and force you guys to push back in parliament innards and force you guys to puinn back in parliament innards and force you guys to puinn the back in parliament innards and force you guys to puinn the house in parliament innards and force you guys to puinn the house ofin parliament innards and force you guys to puinn the house of commons,�*nt and in the house of commons, forgiving when it comes back to

you. you worry, though, that you. do you worry, though, that with convention with no salisbury convention applying wasn't in a manifesto, it might hard do that. it might be hard to do that. >> of course and >> but of course it will. and the going to not be the lords are going to not be bound that convention. bound by that convention. so this to be quite this is again going to be quite a i'm going to be a challenge. i'm going to be looking very carefully at what they come with. you they come back with. uh, you know, to cause me a know, it's going to cause me a lot thought no lot of thought and debate. no doubt taking part doubt i'll be taking part in those debates as well. so those debates as well. um, so it's going be a few weeks it's going to be a few weeks yet. bill has gone yet. i think this bill has gone through quickly. it through relatively quickly. it was the first was only debated for the first time christmas. time just before christmas. there's lords there's no reason why the lords can't get to grips with it. only ten clauses. there's ten clauses. so there's no excuse to weeks excuse for them to take weeks and to me. and weeks, it seems to me. >> you say quickly in the >> but you say quickly in the views note, don't views of gb news note, don't they, that the these these first these flights grounded in these flights were grounded in june it's now 2024 and you june 2022. it's now 2024 and you say quickly you're not moving fast enough to tackle the problem of a real, real issue. for many voters , tory and for many voters, tory and laboun for many voters, tory and labour. i think it's a good question to ask. >> and, you know, you've got to ask know, in that ask yourself, you know, in that period, once the court case period, uh, once the court case of being with, of course, was being dealt with, uh, does seem to me that uh, it does seem to me that laying the framework and the

groundwork was in part, being done because that treaty was quickly after the quickly sorted out after the supreme court made its ruling in november but do think november. but i do also think that the principle of using third countries is right. it's not. >> all right. look, i'm just going to i'm just going to cut across this now because we're going straight to the going to go straight to the house of commons. >> yeah yeah >> yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah. the result . the ayes to >> all the result. the ayes to the right 320. >> the noes to the left 276. >> the noes to the left 276. >> the ayes have it. >> the ayes have it. >> the ayes have it. look >> the ayes have it. look . >> the ayes have it. look. uh thatis >> the ayes have it. look. uh that is the result . that is the result. >> obviously it's past there. so rishi sunak has , uh, secured a rishi sunak has, uh, secured a victory. now i'm just going to go and try and go back to christopher hope because he should still be there. i think with robert buckland in westminster hall. that was westminster hall. so that was the there. the actual, uh, result there. the have it, ayes have the ayes have it, the ayes have it. lindsay hall, uh, was say it. as lindsay hall, uh, was say so christopher. yeah. sorry. so, so christopher. yeah. sorry. so, so back to you now. sorry to interrupt, but obviously wants

to vote live. so yes. to take that vote live. so yes. what make of that then? what do you make of that then? rishi round . rishi sunak has won that round. >> he's won the round. the bill now goes on to the house of lords where, as i said before, it might gutted an old it might be gutted like an old cod. still with me cod. and we're still with me now. buckland, sir now. is robert buckland, sir robert reaction now. is robert buckland, sir ro robert reaction now. is robert buckland, sir ro robert to reaction now. is robert buckland, sir ro robert to that reaction now. is robert buckland, sir ro robert to that win? reaction now. is robert buckland, sir ro robert to that win? um,tion now. is robert buckland, sir ro robert to that win? um, as1 to robert to that win? um, as i say, was a repeat again for say, it was a repeat again for viewers have missed it. viewers who may have missed it. 320 against, two seven, six against. that's i think a against. well that's i think a mirror image of the vote we mirror image of the vote that we had before christmas . had before christmas. >> of by had before christmas. >> reckoning of by had before christmas. >> reckoning . of by had before christmas. >> reckoning . that of by had before christmas. >> reckoning . that was by had before christmas. >> reckoning . that was the by had before christmas. >> reckoning . that was the exact my reckoning. that was the exact majority in december. so no change. after all that debate, the vote remains the same. i think the prime minister will claim that as quite a big win tonight. >> a lot of hot air, maybe from the tory. right. well look, none of them are my friends. >> we agree. or, you know, colleagues on the right. and i will of things. will agree on a lot of things. shock you know, shock horror, you know, revelation. but on this revelation. but but on this i think they risked upending think that they risked upending the whole thing , upsetting the the whole thing, upsetting the balance the balance and actually making the billbut they've said, haven't >> but they've said, haven't they? it's not workable . in they? it's not workable. in fact, government lawyers say it's got a 5050 chance of

working. the end of working. is this now the end of any chance of stopping the boats ? >> well, 7— >> well, no, i ? >> well, no, i think 7 >> well, no, i think we've ? >> well, no, i think we've still got a way to go. i think if anything, we've given ourselves greater hope that this could work. will require all work. but it will require all those other things that we are doing. those doing. well to reduce those numbers, those claims sorted numbers, get those claims sorted out kill this evil trade. out and kill this evil trade. well, patrick christopher, you heard there from sir robert buckland, of course, a critic of the attempts to go against the european court of human rights. >> he's happy it's gone through and he says, to cut across and he says, sorry to cut across you, chop. >> em- w- elm— >> of course, if you if you were, you . were, if you. >> yeah. i'll ask him for you . >> yeah. i'll ask him for you. >> yeah. i'll ask him for you. >> thank you. you can just ask him if he understands how out of touch british public he touch with the british public he really and whether or not he really is, and whether or not he understands level understands the level of the kicking going kicking that they're going to get general get at the next general election. yep >> robert buckland, one final question from the house. patrick christys . yes, he is upset about christys. yes, he is upset about this. what's happened tonight? he , do you know how upset he thinks, do you know how upset many of his viewers are of the channel and the fact that he, as he describes it, the kicking the

tory party is going to get for not the and not stopping the boats and having piece having a weaker piece of legislation have had legislation they could have had done had. >> i disagree, think >> i disagree, i think the legislation been much legislation would have been much weaker had accepted those weaker had we accepted those amendments. if try and amendments. if you try and overreach and try and stop all claims, you're inviting disaster, you're inviting the courts to intervene and overrule you. that's not the way you legislate . trust me. i was a law legislate. trust me. i was a law officer for five years as solicitor general of this country and lord chancellor, i know something about law, know something about the law, and get it right. and and i want to get it right. and that's why the bill is that's why i think the bill is in better form by stopping those amendments. >> so it would have overreached and your and not worked, in your view? >> we'd fallen >> absolutely. we'd have fallen apart, face. and apart, fallen on its face. and that's the best that's why, despite the best attempts, well attempts, they were well intentioned a lot of intentioned attempts by a lot of friends think they friends of mine. i think they were friends of mine. i think they werthank you. well, sir >> thank you. well, sir bruckner, for joining >> thank you. well, sir brltonight. for joining us tonight. >> and a busy night in westminster. patrick, back to you. there you. you heard the answer there from justice from the former justice secretary, this being secretary, despite this being quite document on of quite a weak document on of those on the right of the party and you think the same too and some, some viewers to the some, some of the viewers to the channel some, some of the viewers to the channel, harder some, some of the viewers to the chann

chann> ah yeah . okay. brilliant. >> ah yeah. okay. brilliant. christopher. thank you. we're going to keep it with you. we'll keep it with you. thank you. good stuff. lee anderson joining take take it away take it away. take it away patrick i'm joined by lee anderson of course, a colleague from gb news. >> also someone who quit as >> but also someone who quit as a deputy chairman of the tory party just, yesterday party um, just, uh, yesterday over this bill, um, lee anderson, if you come around here to the front of the camera, you have voted in favour of the or. forgive me, how do you vote tonight ? tonight? >> you making mistakes already, chopper? aren't you? well, you've uh, last you've been right. so uh, last night i resigned as a deputy chairman of the conservative party. that was a difficult decision. but i think right decision. but i think the right thing do. know, tonight. thing to do. you know, tonight. right? going to vote no . i right? i was going to vote no. i went into the no lobby to vote no, i, you know, i no, because i, you know, i couldn't see how i could support the bill after backing all the amendments, i got into the no lobby. i spent about 2 or 3 minutes a colleague in minutes with a colleague in there labour was all there. the labour lot was all giggling and laughing and taking

the mic, and i couldn't do it in my heart of hearts i could not vote no. so i walked and vote no. so i walked out and come so abstained . um, come out. so i've abstained. um, i to vote no . but when i wanted to vote no. but when i saw that lot in there laughing, uh, there's way i could uh, there's no way i could support them . um, above the support them. um, above the party. that's that's given me a political home. so i hope the bill succeeds . you know, i've bill succeeds. you know, i've got my reservations. chopper it's upset me honestly , over the it's upset me honestly, over the past 24 hours. it's a difficult thing to do not to support the government. that's been really, really good to me. and good to ashfield. let's remember this government ashfield. let's remember this gove record: ashfield. let's remember this gove record amounts investment. like, record amounts investment. like i say, i hope the bill works. i hope it stops the boats. and from now on the prime minister has got my full support. >> you seem crestfallen, >> you seem quite crestfallen, lee. mate, to lee. i am, i'm gutted mate, to be with you. be honest with you. >> a nice thing do >> it's not a nice thing to do to watch your mates going to one lobby you going your. lobby and you going to your. like i said, i went into no like i said, i went into the no lobby is this is lobby to rebel. this is this is the word at the moment but the key word at the moment but one once i saw the labour labour lot sniggering and taking them out, i thought, you know what

haven't you got you got a thick skin, anderson. haven't you got you got a thick skircomeerson. haven't you got you got a thick skircomeerso i've haven't you got you got a thick skircomeersoi've seen haven't you got you got a thick skircomeerso i've seen you haven't you got you got a thick skircomeersoi've seen you go toe >> come on. i've seen you go toe to toe toe with the left. to toe to toe with the left. left the of the, of the choppen >> but at the end of the day, my mates going in one lobby and mates are going in one lobby and i'm in another, and they're taking pass you what taking the and pass you what they were saying. then they're just and just sniggering and pointing and laughing. in laughing. all the unders in there. you know, he's coming back labour and back to the labour party and all this. that. thought, you this. i saw that. i thought, you know off? um, um, um, know what off? um, um, um, it's like the playground like it's like the playground antics, it's playground politics. into politics. but i can't go into the, um, i struggle to support the, um, i struggle to support the bill, even though i hope the bill and now on, bill works. and from now on, i will the prime minister will support the prime minister and everything he tries. >> anderson, you >> last night, lee anderson, you said you resigned. you said to me, you resigned. you voted against the government for the not the people of ashfield, not for yourself. question. yourself. i asked that question. this one to ask. this is a difficult one to ask. you question, you didn't like the question, i think. but now, what have think. but right now, what have you done? you haven't backed what right. you done? you haven't backed whtlisten, right. you done? you haven't backed whtlisten, chris. right. you done? you haven't backed whtlisten, chris. no, ht. not >> listen, chris. no, that's not that's not i have to that's not true. i have to accept as well. accept democracy as well. there's been a battle within the party with the amendments. as you we lost our you know, we lost. we lost our argument the amendments. they argument on the amendments. they were defeated. that's democracy. we and accept we should suck it up and accept it. know , i've always it. and you know, i've always said that place this,

said that this place here, this, this where i work, this parliament where i work, this parliament where i work, this my factory. it is of this is my factory. it is out of touch with the british public. it really is some of these people that work in this place need on the street need to get out on the street and speak real people. but at and speak to real people. but at the end of the day, like i say, ihope the end of the day, like i say, i hope the bill works. i haven't got in my heart to vote with labour tonight and try and defeat the government, because i don't want the labour party to run this country. i don't want the party. you in the labour party. you know, in charge asylum process. i charge of our asylum process. i hope works and it's a hope the bill works and it's a difficult decision. but and it's not one took lightly. not one i took lightly. >> plan here that >> you've got a plan here that you won't work and that you think won't work and that might labour haven't you might let labour in. haven't you done your party? done the worst by your party? but what you think, what you believe. the people of believe. for the people of ashfield? you've ashfield? well, you've obviously. >> go back to lee anderson there. there's a heck of a lot to wimp out there. don't worry. we'll go back to christopher lee anderson brooks anderson shortly. adam brooks lee anderson has mistake. so. lee anderson has a mistake. so. right. resigned right. lee anderson has resigned from job deputy chairman from his job as deputy chairman of the conservative party at some financial cost. i think of around £36,000 right there . then

around £36,000 right there. then walked into the no lobby. apparently couldn't deal with the labour party pointing and laughing at him despite , of laughing at him despite, of course, formerly being a member of the labour party. and then he's abstained on the vote. your views on that ? views on that? >> i'm pretty gutted that he's done that, to be fair. you know, he's friend mine, lee, but he's a friend of mine, lee, but i totally disagree with what's happened . if he doesn't happened tonight. if he doesn't like being sniggered at in a lobby, he's not going to like when they in his face when when they laugh in his face when they absolutely them they absolutely annihilate them at the next election. >> quickly, just quickly. >> just quickly, just quickly. we're back now to we're going to go back now to christopher and lee christopher hope and lee anderson. we've got anderson. sorry we've got you back, christopher. on back, christopher. carry on where please . where you left off, please. >> the answer in the studio with patrick christys. they're saying there that you're being laughed at in the lobby, but they'll be sniggering at you in the street in ashfield for following in ashfield for not following over what you over on your. and what you believe in. >> well, what i say to the people the i know the people in the studio, i know the people in the studio, i know the people the studio. uh, people in the studio. uh, i think matthew laws has been up to ashfield couple of times. to ashfield a couple of times. i know not up there

know adam's not been up there yet. of nashville yet. uh, the people of nashville do ican yet. uh, the people of nashville do i can assure do not laugh at me. i can assure you of that. i am ashfield born and bred. i said, and bred. like i said, um, i supported amendments . my supported the amendments. my party didn't. unfortunately that's democracy now! if anybody out there watching, if you're watching matthew, if you're watching matthew, if you're watching adam, who's the one that's on tonight? >> um, i'll get back to you on that one. >> it's christine into. if you're watching, have to you're watching, we have to accept democracy. >> christine hamilton. >> it's christine hamilton. >> it's christine hamilton. >> a i work in a >> yeah, i have a i work in a democratic place where my party have not accepted what i believe in. i sort of got to accept that, but i didn't. tonight, i went into the no lobby, as i said, 4 times. um, said, about 3 or 4 times. um, and i could not vote with the labour party, so i had come labour party, so i had to come out. i've my little say. out. i've had my little say. i've resigned on principle . i've resigned on principle. there's not much more i can do than a my deputy, uh, than a resign. my deputy, uh, chairman role . i've done that on chairman role. i've done that on a on a matter of principle. i will sleep tonight, christopher. i will go to bed tonight. i will shut my eyes and i will go to sleep, but still be disappointed. >> but also, a major. >> but also, you're a major. you're the weapon to win

you're the secret weapon to win the wall for the tories. the red wall for the tories. yes, are for the party. yes, you are for the tory party. now you've out. how does now you've walked out. how does it look? the fact that someone who wall who represents the red wall can't work with the party in a high level role? >> i'll tell you how it >> well, i'll tell you how it looks. chopper on saturday night, in glasgow night, i'll be up in glasgow talking to scottish conservatives . you know, conservatives. you know, rallying the troops, getting them out and get the them to get out and get the message across before the next election. i'll election. the week after, i'll be else. week be somewhere else. the week after, i'll be somewhere else. talking to conservatives around the the next six the country for the next six months. diaries going the country for the next six monthsthe diaries going the country for the next six monthsthe country, going the country for the next six monthsthe country, speaking to around the country, speaking to proper conservatives about why we vote conservative at we should vote conservative at the election so can the next election so you can shut up. >> e“- w“ >> have you learned a lesson tonight it's tonight about politics? it's quite difficult. it's not easy. you have to against your you have to go against your principles. sometimes you've been bloodedly, anderson. principles. sometimes you've bee it'sloodedly, anderson. principles. sometimes you've bee it'slood easy, anderson. principles. sometimes you've bee it'slood easy, chopper,. >> it's not easy, chopper, because, you know, last night was difficult you know, was a difficult night. you know, you awake in bed human you lay awake in bed with human beings of the day, beings at the end of the day, uh, you have to think to uh, and you have to think to yourself, i doing the right yourself, am i doing the right thing family? my friends, thing by my family? my friends, my party? thing by my family? my friends, my a party? thing by my family? my friends, my a lot party? thing by my family? my friends, my a lot to party? thing by my family? my friends, my a lot to think)arty? thing by my family? my friends, my a lot to think about. there's a lot to think about. but at the end of the day, you know, we most of us this know, we most of us in this country, we we're democrats

country, we say we're democrats now , my party a now, my party has made a democratic decision over the past 24 hours that this bill is sound. past 24 hours that this bill is sound . so i've got to, you know, sound. so i've got to, you know, i've got to toe the line now, get by my party and accept democracy and say, this bill is sound. even though i got my problems with it and back, the prime minister >> and finally last night, >> and just finally last night, of richard tice air of course, richard tice on air ianed of course, richard tice on air invited you to join his party. he you've passed the first he said, you've passed the first test by fighting for a tougher under will you join under plan. will you join rwanda? will join a reform? rwanda? will you join a reform? >> i've got more chance of joining tupperware party. joining the tupperware party. there you go. >> well, you heard there, patrick. did you hear all those answers ? i hope you did. do you answers? i hope you did. do you have any further ask, lee anderson? >> anderson? » m anderson? >> no. look, thank >> yeah, yeah. no. look, thank you very much. apparently, brendan voted for brendan clarke—smith voted for it. , how i mean, how can it. i mean, how i mean, how can how can lee square that? i mean, lee lee at least had the bottle to abstain his big mate brendan clarke—smith, stood to clarke—smith, who stood next to him and resigned alongside him, has voted for it. >> and exploding patrick christys is asking the studio,

lee anderson, how on earth did brendan clarke—smith vote for this bill after after rebelling and resigning as a deputy chairman last night? >> i mean, i mean, patrick's a great guy . >> i mean, i mean, patrick's a great guy. he's a very sensible quy- great guy. he's a very sensible guy. but at this moment he's not being very sensible. i'm not brendan clarke—smith. i can't answer. you're a very close friend his. give ring. friend of his. give him a ring. you've got number. him you've got his number. ask him yourself being silly . yourself and stop being silly. >> it right there. >> you've heard it right there. you've told by for you've been told by the mp for ashfield, patrick christys. stop stop being silly. stop being so silly. >> so silly. never. >> stop being so silly. never. i've a career out of it, i've made a career out of it, all right? we should all right? and, uh, we should all right? and, uh, we should all thing or two about all know a thing or two about that. i'm just that. all right, well, i'm just going re—entry. going to introduce my re—entry. who's my panel to this now? um a lot of you were. i mean, i mean, he gave you a ticking he gave two of you a ticking off there. think he i think was there. i think he i think he was he in aid. he was a he was using me in aid. he was a battering there for a while, battering ram there for a while, but. seriously, now but. no, but seriously, now let's genuinely let's actually just genuinely get serious about this now, because it serious, because it is it is serious, christine, itching christine, you were itching to get was get involved with that. that was that form the deputy that was the form the deputy chairman the conservative chairman of the conservative party he walked into the party saying he walked into the no lobby. he walked into the

lobby to go and vote against this rwanda bill that he resigned over the that he voted for amendments for. quite possibly. i think indeed he did vote for amendment it. just vote for amendment to it. just hours before that big vote today . then he's gone and abstained. >> your views on that. i was amazed that he admitted that it was the snickering of labour party , of labour mps that caused party, of labour mps that caused him round abstain . him to turn round and abstain. in days gone by, people were tortured, beheaded and burnt at the stake for their principles . the stake for their principles. lee anderson couldn't stand a little bit of taunting and sniggering from labour mps. i mean, i, i like lee, i think he's a great guy, but i am a totally i could hardly believe my ears when he said that. that's what it was. i mean, heavens alive . unbelievable heavens alive. unbelievable >> he's saying that he didn't want to vote on the same side as laboun want to vote on the same side as labour. right right. do you buy that, adam? >> i look, i can't believe the sniggering lion because as i said , i tried to tell him

said, i tried to tell him earlier is, you know, it's going to be a lot worse than sniggering when labour absolutely trounced him at the next election, they will go up to people like lee anderson and laugh in his face. so it's going to get a lot worse. and what they've done tonight has facilitated probably, you know , facilitated probably, you know, even more of a loss at the next election. the party looks weak. they've now just backed a bill that will not end up seeing flights take off. >> they don't think will work. >> they don't think will work. >> so why would you back something that won't work ? this something that won't work? this is embarrassing. >> just can we just now please spare a moment for the vast majority of the british public who are absolutely desperate to stop the boats to stop illegal immigration? so, by the way , immigration? so, by the way, make significant cutbacks to illegal immigration. but to stop illegal immigration. but to stop illegal immigration, right. who have got that people have now got a bill that people on the right at the tory party have spent the best part of a month just shouting about the fact they don't think it will

work going through , work right, is going through, which get blocked which will probably get blocked in the house of lords for a bit. anyway. we'll almost definitely get in foreign courts anyway. we'll almost definitely get then in foreign courts anyway. we'll almost definitely get then we'll foreign courts anyway. we'll almost definitely get then we'll probably)urts anyway. we'll almost definitely get then we'll probably get; and then we'll probably get overturned if and when we get a labour government in a few months time anyway. so suck it up people of britain. >> well, i mean , i'm the labour >> well, i mean, i'm the labour chap on the panel who normally has defend and but today i'm has to defend and but today i'm just enjoying the internal family strife on the right and it really shows what a total shower this government is. i mean, i used to knock on doors when ben lee was in the labour party, this government. >> late. i included labour >> it's late. i included labour in deliberately. want in that deliberately. they want to but look, patrick, to do no but but look, patrick, you may disagree with what labour says on illegal migration, at least it's migration, but at least it's clear it's saying it's going clear it's not saying it's going to do one thing and not to do one thing and then not willing to do it. willing the means to do it. >> that's the difference. willing the means to do it. >> we're1at's the difference. willing the means to do it. >> we're going 1e difference. willing the means to do it. >> we're going back ference. willing the means to do it. >> we're going back to ence. willing the means to do it. >> we're going back to oure. >> we're going back to our political editor, christopher hope, who's still in the corridors he's got corridors of power, and he's got matt him. we corridors of power, and he's got mathow him. we corridors of power, and he's got mathow is him. we corridors of power, and he's got mathow is matt him. we corridors of power, and he's got mathow is matt faring. we corridors of power, and he's got mathow is matt faring ? we go. how is matt faring? >> uh patrick christys. well, welcome. thank you for joining us again in this freezing cold

westminster hall. i'm with matt warman, who's the leading figure in the one nation caucus of left of centre tory mps warman . of centre tory mps matt warman. you must be delighted you've got your the bill that your party's got without being tougher. >> well it's not about it being tougher. >> it's about it working. what i want to see and what you've seen. the vast majority of conservative members of parliament today is a bill parliament back today is a bill that able to make real that is able to make real progress on this vital issue of tackling illegal immigration. >> and yes, some people do want to see it go in different directions. both harder and softer. you characterise it softer. if you characterise it like that. >> but the key point of agreement tonight is that this is tightrope to walk that is the tightrope to walk that can through. can get through. >> parliament, the >> parliament, can get the support that to make support that we need to make progress this issue as progress on this issue as quickly possible. quickly as possible. >> it's not >> but the truth is it's not going work. what's the going to work. so what's the point i mean, viewers, point of it? i mean, viewers, and tell you, you can't and let me tell you, you can't hear them. i can hear them on my ear. panel in, in our studio ear. the panel in, in our studio in spitting in paddington are just spitting feathers. they think this isn't going what's point? going to work. what's the point? yet again, stop the boats is not going to happen. >> the of of the >> well, the risk of some of the amendments weren't to

amendments that weren't added to the that was the bill wasn't that there was a sort of fear sophia problem with all of them. was they all of them. it was that they made more made this bill much more vulnerable to court. challenge and be pragmatic and you've got to be pragmatic about want see about this if you want to see progress made. can't get progress made. we can't get bogged more and more bogged down in more and more months in court. we've got to make some progress. and that means getting that works means getting a bill that works onto books will, onto the statute books will, will hundreds, maybe thousand of people arriving here by small boats deported to rwanda this boats be deported to rwanda this year ? well, i can't give you year? well, i can't give you a number. and that would be for the government to you the government to give you a number. what ministers number. but what the ministers have talking have said is that we are talking about hundreds ramping about initially hundreds ramping up thousands. is good up to thousands. that is good progress. is progress. and that is a meaningful deterrent, which is what about. this what this is about. this isn't about lots lots of about getting lots and lots of people go to rwanda. is people to go to rwanda. this is about getting lots and of about getting lots and lots of people twice before people to think twice before they make that voyage across the channel they make that voyage across the channel, because it's all about deterrent you a gift here >> haven't you had a gift here to because enough to labour? because you're enough mps and colleagues yours have mps and colleagues of yours have said won't work. 60 mps said this won't work. 60 mps have rebelled yesterday , £240 have rebelled yesterday, £240 million it. no one's million spent on it. no one's gone there yet. labour are rubbing their hands with glee.

>> anyone thinks labour >> well, if anyone thinks labour have plan tackle the have got a plan to tackle the boats, or indeed to tackle immigration any meaningful immigration in any meaningful way, certainly way, then they're certainly not looking labour way, then they're certainly not lookin so labour way, then they're certainly not lookin so we've labour way, then they're certainly not lookin so we've got labour way, then they're certainly not lookin so we've got to labour way, then they're certainly not lookin so we've got to be labour party. so we've got to be realistic about where is the threat to inaction . it's threat to inaction. it's certainly from labour. what we've seen tonight, i think is a victory for common sense. the conservative party and the vast majority backing a bill that will progress will will make progress and will get it statute books so it onto the statute books so that off. that planes do take off. >> the ones that are of >> now, for the ones that are of modern communication, patrick christys the question christys will ask the question through patrick, what's through me. patrick, what's your question matt warman? question for matt warman? >> thank very he >> yeah, thank you very much. he talks realistic . talks about being realistic. does understand that he does he not understand that he is to get an absolute is about to get an absolute battering at the next general election, and that people, some people simply do not believe that he actually wants to send anyone to rwanda . anyone to rwanda. >> so patrick christys has presented the programme is asking you talk about being realistic, but do you understand you're going to get a battering at the next general election and people believe that people don't really believe that you and others like you personally and others like you personally and others like

you want to stop the boats arriving from france. >> well, if i look at my own constituency until very recently, we had six hotels being used for people seeking asylum in the uk. being used for people seeking asylum in the uk . this is a asylum in the uk. this is a problem that know absolutely problem that i know absolutely isn't just about people showing up on the on the channel, it is about people showing up in constituencies, up and down the country. so i am absolutely committed to a policy that will make a difference to that, that that's what this does. and i think it's important that we get on with that . we can't let to on with that. we can't let to use the phrase the perfect be the enemy of the good. we've got to on with this. that's what to get on with this. that's what this and be this bill does. and we should be uniting the party uniting behind it, as the party has this evening. has done this evening. >> heard the answer >> perhaps you heard the answer there they there from matt warman. they this, this, bill will work, this, this, this bill will work, he and is practical, not he says, and is practical, not perfect . but is that whether you perfect. but is that whether you whether you agree with that, i don't know. i wish i could see your face right now. i can't i can see you see the camera, but that's what the tory government thinks. we'll wait and see. but the big issue, surely the big issue, i think surely for government now is it

for the government now is if it doesn't then i mean, doesn't work, then what? i mean, it not be in power when it may may not be in power when it may may not be in power when it happens, but is that your concern? >> you're absolutely >> well, you're absolutely right. issue huge right. this is an issue of huge electoral importance. yes, i know that. of course, constituents about constituents talk to me about the the economy, the nhs, about the economy, about all of those issues as about all of those big issues as well. small boats in well. but small boats in particular, illegal immigration in particular, is a huge important issue. and we do have to get this right. and that's why , as i letting the why, as i say, letting the perfect be the enemy, the enemy of good is to slow us of the good is going to slow us down, it will risk down, and it will risk undermining that faith even further. it will lose us the further. and it will lose us the ability to say, look, if you really want this issue solved, there no way a labour there is no way a labour government is to make a government is going to make a meaningful government is going to make a me you gful face your own >> you might face your own questions comes to questions when it comes back to the could be the house of lords. it could be amended so it's much weaker now. will you then make it will you then vote to make it stronger and tougher? will you then vote to make it stronge i and tougher? will you then vote to make it stronge i think>ugher? will you then vote to make it stronge i think the er? will you then vote to make it stronge i think the bill as it >> oh, i think the bill as it passed tonight is the bill that should on statute books. should be on the statute books. i'm to be supporting i'm not going to be supporting amendments make weaker amendments to make it weaker by any and think the house any means. and i think the house of should listen to the of lords should listen to the majority that the that

parliament in the commons gave this bill 44 is a decent number. it's not some very marginal vote. it's something that the commons are strongly backed and the lords, as it usually does , the lords, as it usually does, should listen that, i think. should listen to that, i think. >> may not. the >> but they may not. and the convention is they have to convention is they don't have to listen to it because it wasn't mentioned manifesto listen to it because it wasn't m oh, i'm sure the lords will send this bill back with a number of amendments. that's almost would expect . almost what you would expect. but parliament in the but i think parliament in the commons should stand firm in rejecting those amendments, in making sure that this bill, as i say , unamended, gets onto the say, unamended, gets onto the statute books because that is the strongest possible version within an inch of putting the rwandans off within an inch of risking greater legal challenge . risking greater legal challenge. if we go any further, we run that risk . if we weaken it, we that risk. if we weaken it, we run the risk of it not working. so i the as i say, the so i think the as i say, the house of lords, is house of lords, of course, is entitled view. it's a entitled to its view. it's a revising chamber, but think revising chamber, but i think the should stand firm in the commons should stand firm in the commons should stand firm in the position it's taken this

evening. >> you think it leaves? >> what do you think it leaves? the party is a party now, the tory party is a party now, more centrist, centre left more centrist, more centre left than it was before tonight's vote? >> no, i think this is the most robust piece of immigration legislation has ever been legislation that has ever been put before parliament. that is a huge statement of intent from rishi sunak . that means that rishi sunak. that means that we've got a party that is clearly committed to tackling this really important issue . this really important issue. >> well, it's been a very busy night here in parliament and we will wait and see how it plays out and a reaction, i think, from the government tomorrow when they try and push these measures through the house of lords. >> christopher, thank you very much. and thank you, matt, as well coming and putting much. and thank you, matt, as weiwith coming and putting much. and thank you, matt, as weiwith some|g and putting much. and thank you, matt, as weiwith some prettyind putting up with some pretty robust questioning here. i think feelings running high, but feelings are running high, but i'm reflecting. absolutely i'm reflecting. i'm absolutely reflecting of reflecting the views of loads of people loads people people online, loads of people in inbox gb views a in the gb news inbox gb views a gb news. com uh, i've got to be really honest with you about this, which i always try to be. i've just had a good listen to matt warman there. do you think he it? you think that he gets it? do you think that man the urgency of this

man gets the urgency of this situation for the vast majority of british no do you of the british public? no do you think that is maybe quite think that that is maybe quite an astonishing state of affairs? really. that's where we are, is it, adam, do you think these mps and these lords see these illegal immigrants walking up and down their local high street? >> of course they don't. i've seen it first hand. at the end of day, had another of the day, we've had another 350 turn up on boats today, today, today alone today. right. so is with a freezing cold so this is with a freezing cold sea. we've had 350 arrive. now imagine i would say probably 80% of those will get asylum . the of those will get asylum. the other 20% will be allowed to stay anyway because that's what we do. >> e“- eh— w right now , this >> nobody right now, this government process government will fail to process any nobody is any of them. nobody right now is sitting on other side of the sitting on the other side of the channelin sitting on the other side of the channel in any way changing their coming across, their minds about coming across, because we've just seen because of what we've just seen in of commons today. in the house of commons today. and that 350 and let's just remember that 350 that today, 300 of that come today, probably 300 of them will send for their families just families that number from just today to about 1000, today will swell to about 1000, if not 1500, where the house is coming from. >> it's an absolute joke and

this country is falling apart and the government is facilitating it . facilitating it. >> i mean, keir starmer was right on the money today at prime minister's questions when he kept asking rishi sunak, where are these? what was it over 4000 for. what is it the number. >> asylum seeker. yeah. the missing people who've disappeared. >> where are they, where are they? >> where are they? we know where they are. they're working drug gangs. they are. they're working drug garbut idea they are. they're working drug gar but idea that the >> but the idea that the government has no idea you government has no idea that you can 4000 people who can lose over 4000 people who you be more than that. you you would be more than that. you sure more you knew. i'm sure it's more than that. knew when than that. you knew when they arrived. were. arrived. you knew they were. >> the system >> absolutely. the system has been shambles years into been a shambles 13.5 years into this government. right and it's a total shambles. >> right here on this >> is this right here on this show? robert jenrick, former show? robert jenrick, the former immigration show? robert jenrick, the former imn revealed that when sat and revealed that when he sat down, was told by the civil down, he was told by the civil service that arguably the best opfion service that arguably the best option would be to have an asylum seeker amnesty and clear the backlog . labour will be the backlog. labour will be offered as and when they offered that as and when they and labour will say no to it. >> i don't think no, they will absolutely. >> nonsense. absolutely. >> absolutely real authority. >> absolutely real authority. >> i mean that's that's my >> no, i mean that's that's my instinct should we instinct and we should we

should, ask here this should, we should ask here this up it happens up when it happens because labour more weak. labour will be even more weak. it's a good question this it's a good question than this government because before it . government because before it. was a question. i can understand the civil service offering because they say we didn't know the answer to it before. >> we didn't know. oh, maybe it's a mystery. >> we didn't know. oh, maybe it's by a mystery. >> we didn't know. oh, maybe it's by the a mystery. >> we didn't know. oh, maybe it's by the way, a mystery. >> we didn't know. oh, maybe it's by the way, do �*nystery. >> we didn't know. oh, maybe it's by the way, do think ry. >> we didn't know. oh, maybe it's by the way, do think i. >> we didn't know. oh, maybe it's by the way, do think i do and by the way, i do think i do seriously think other news outlets have on outlets should have picked up on this we thought this big time because we thought it a mystery as to whether it was a mystery as to whether or this asylum seeker or not this asylum seeker amnesty we know amnesty will be offered. we know it offered to the labour it will be offered to the labour party have to have party now, and we have to have a serious question over serious question mark over whether they take whether or not they will take him. matthew. yeah >> labour's >> look, i think it's labour's been absolutely clear. it doesn't want to, uh, let people been absolutely clear. it doethe want to, uh, let people been absolutely clear. it doethe hook. to, uh, let people been absolutely clear. it doethe hook. it. uh, let people been absolutely clear. it doethe hook. it wantset people been absolutely clear. it doethe hook. it wants to )eople off the hook. it wants to process people process the claims, send people back be and back who shouldn't be here and smash by actually smash the gangs by actually taking action at their root in europe, the ensure europe, of the gangs to ensure that this evil trade, which, as we dying we saw, people were dying because the weekend, because of over the weekend, i labour going to get in. labour is going to get in. >> i hope they do smash the gangs. i hope, i mean, we laugh, we joke quietly at affectionately know affectionately because we know what's to happen. but it's what's going to happen. but it's one his catchphrases one of his catchphrases smash the you the gang, smash the gangs. you have catchphrases too, the

have catchphrases too, by the way. um, and i just i hope way. um, and ijust i hope you're right. i hope you're right. and i hope you're right. >> i think you're wrong. okay because the european union, who you need to help smash the you will need to help smash the gangs, could stop this crisis tomorrow if they instructed all of their customs officers to confiscate certain type of engine and a certain type of boat, and they deliberately refuse to do it. so why on earth you're. >> you're right, patrick, that we need to do a proper deal with europe. we need to stop being humiliated by the french who are taking in taking our money, laughing in our not doing anything our faces and not doing anything but the european union, who but you, the european union, who you relying labour you are relying now, the labour party to do this thing. you are relying now, the labour parsmash! to do this thing. you are relying now, the labour parsmash! the) do this thing. you are relying now, the labour parsmash! the gangsis thing. you are relying now, the labour parsmash! the gangsis timugging >> smash! the gangs are mugging us have been for a very us off and have been for a very long you long period of time and you think change if think that'll just change if keir starmer warns into downing? >> i think festival >> well, i think their festival will begin with there'll be a lot from lot of goodwill, uh, from european countries towards an incoming labour government and but labour will also be absolutely wants but labour will also be absoll it ly wants but labour will also be absoll it wants wants but labour will also be absoll it wants to wants but labour will also be absoll it wants to enhance|nts but labour will also be absoll it wants to enhance the to do. it wants to enhance the police force working together. >> point, is >> that's the selling point, is it? a huge amount of goodwill. >> well, it is if it gets things

done, patrick. it is if it means that the is that actually the law is enforced. to. enforced. we have to. >> seen the eu. >> we've seen the eu. >> we've seen the eu. >> we've seen the eu. >> we won't. we're writing it at the we're writing huge the moment. we're writing huge checks they're checks to france and they're laughing our faces. we laughing in our faces. what we need have france doing need to do is have france doing what which what the belgians do, which is confiscate need confiscate the phones. we need to the anti—terrorism to use the anti—terrorism legislation which keir starmer has one has made his number one priority, refuse priority, and the tories refuse to anti—terrorism to use the anti—terrorism legislation serious legislation if they were serious about if about stopping the gangs, if they about stopping they were serious about stopping people channel people drowning in the channel then they would use the anti—terrorism legislation to stop trade. what stop this evil trade. what i don't understand is take these people today people who've arrived today 350 odd many boats . odd in however many boats. >> were those people not >> why were those people not taken off? the boats? obviously don't the around don't just turn the boats around in take off. those in in to take them off. those boats, them down the boats, march them down the beach, onto decent beach, put them onto decent seaworthy boats and take them back. >> which in part actually is the old eu treaty. >> are we allowing them just >> why are we allowing them just to our beaches? let's to march up our beaches? let's just remind ourselves of what could have been. >> okay. some of the amendments that forward to the that were put forward to the surrender voted that were put forward to the surrer right voted that were put forward to the surrerright ? voted that were put forward to the surrerright ? and voted that were put forward to the surrerright ? and notwithstanding down right? and notwithstanding clause that would have given the government leeway to ignore

foreign judges. right. just ignore it by the way, we can still do that if they want to. but anyway, officially just ignore the foreign judges, ignore the foreign judges, ignore echr now vote down. ignore the echr now vote down. didn't happen disapply the human rights act so despise the human rights act so despise the human rights act so despise the human rights act from the rwanda belt? no, didn't go for either. no, didn't go for that either. okay. blocking suspensive claims so relentlessly and so people relentlessly and repeatedly coming up with claims to block their deportation or removal to rwanda? no, we didn't go for that. okay. oh, yeah. preventing rule 39. these are these so—called pyjama injunctions, these these last minute judges. but by by an anonymous possibly from anonymous judge, possibly from somewhere san marino, like somewhere like san marino, like a nation, fit the a minnow nation, you can fit the entire you can fit the entire population of it into into a, into wembley stadium . right. uh, into wembley stadium. right. uh, blocking what we can do with our borders. no, they voted down there. that tells you there. so that tells you everything you need to know, which a decent which is that clearly a decent handful of the conservative party lot of people party and a lot of people watching this program right now party and a lot of people watc understand ogram right now party and a lot of people watc understand that.| right now party and a lot of people watc understand that. theyt now party and a lot of people watc understand that. they feelv will understand that. they feel that things needed that all of those things needed to put in this bill, because to be put in this bill, because otherwise well otherwise it won't work. well all of those were voted

all of those things were voted down today on this show, as down and today on this show, as you half an you just heard about half an hour , decided vote hour ago, they decided to vote for unamended anyway. for the bill unamended anyway. i mean, make of that what you will, but i just i just don't see how people can can square that. >> you can't take this government seriously now. it's a complete shambles. you can't take and you take it seriously, and you certainly can't take the five right seriously. right wing family seriously. when up the hill and when they walked up the hill and they walked right down again, i think we're about to see everything circle. everything come full circle. >> earlier >> adam was talking earlier about the possibility david about the possibility of david cameron becoming prime minister from lords . there from the house of lords. there was for that. was was a precedent for that. it was cameron , when he was prime cameron, when he was prime minister who the the minister who changed the way the selection mps . selection process for tory mps. and that's where that's where the it's the problem starts. it's the people selected by the people who are selected by the constituencies, and is constituencies, and he is imposed on them, sort of social dem, lib, dem type people. instead of the people that the constituencies wanted in their own mould. and if they'd been allowed do that, have allowed to do that, we'd have had people and had more people with guts and balls and backbone. now than we've got. >> right. look, it's >> all right. it's look, it's just p.m. >> all right. it's look, it's just pm. so if you are just gone 10 pm. so if you are just gone 10 pm. so if you are just turning on the news now at 10 pm, as many people do, we

are about to give you a complete 10 pm, as many people do, we are abthroughive you a complete 10 pm, as many people do, we are abthrough of you a complete 10 pm, as many people do, we are abthrough of exactly :omplete 10 pm, as many people do, we are abthrough of exactly how lete whizz through of exactly how we've here today. we're we've got here today. we're going hearing the going to be hearing from the grassroots conservative going to be hearing from the graserwe're conservative going to be hearing from the graserwe're going onservative going to be hearing from the graserwe're going on�*belative going to be hearing from the graserwe're going on�*be hearing party. we're going to be hearing about to be about what's going to be happening house of lords, happening in the house of lords, going be hearing going to be hearing about everything that goes forward. now we will be now and of course, we will be giving all of the up to giving you all of the up to date, to minute reaction date, up to the minute reaction when pages when those front pages drop. what reaction be what will the reaction be to that make sure that you that look? make sure that you keep at gb news. make sure that you it patrick christys us you keep it patrick christys us tonight. so as you were hearing the rwanda bill passed victory for rishi sunak, should we just remind ourselves of the exact moment that it happened ? moment that it happened? >> the ayes to the right at 320, the noes to the left, 276. >> the ayes have it, the ayes have it. >> look . what i find absolutely >> look. what i find absolutely bonkers is that so many people who voted for the amendments yesterday and today voted for the rwanda bill today, liz truss, jake berry, brendan

clarke—smith , iain duncan smith, clarke—smith, iain duncan smith, michael fabricant, jane stevenson who lost her job over this just yesterday. >> what was the point of that kicking up a massive fuss, ripping the tory party apart , ripping the tory party apart, grandstanding like poundshop celebrities all for absolutely nothing . what's oh, what's that ? nothing. what's oh, what's that? oh, sorry. we interrupt this broadcast now for an emergency transmission from the hit daytime game show catchphrase. okay what do you make of this? just say what you see. say what you see. everybody say what you see. all mouth. no trousers. isn't it absolute all mouth? no trousers . and now the bill has trousers. and now the bill has got to get through this lot as well. >> the complaint i make is not about rwanda , a country i know about rwanda, a country i know well , and in about rwanda, a country i know well, and in which there is much that i admire. >> a compassionate policy is one that recognises we have a share of global responsibility ,

of global responsibility, outsourcing our share creates more opportunities for people smugglers to operate in and around rwanda. it's not a solution, it's a mistake. >> and it will be a failure . >> and it will be a failure. >> and it will be a failure. >> and it will be a failure. >> and then it's got to get through this lot as well, hasn't it ? there we go. look at them. it? there we go. look at them. yeah. brilliant outs. the echr judges for you there. and then if the tories get voted out of the next election, it'll get overturned by this guy . overturned by this guy. >> mr speaker, spending £400 million on a plan . not to get million on a plan. not to get anybody to rwanda whilst losing 4000 people is not a plan. >> it's a farce . yeah >> it's a farce. yeah >> look, every other media outlet, of course, is now getting bogged down as we speak in what's just happened. we're always one step ahead. we're going dealing with what's going to be dealing with what's about the house of about to happen. the house of lords. brexit vote lords. it's like the brexit vote all over again, isn't it? the pubuc all over again, isn't it? the public want thing. mps public want one thing. the mps and lords judges and the lords and the judges want another. i'm joined now by by conservative mp geoffrey clifton—brown . or at least i

clifton—brown. or at least i will be in minute. okay there will be in a minute. okay there we go. right now i'm joined in the studio by albie amankona, who member of the who is a member of the conservative yourself conservative party. yourself aren't you? well, what do you make this now? have they make of this now? have they just all and trousers? do all mouth and no trousers? do you think? >> think they're all >> no, i don't think they're all mouth trousers. because mouth and no trousers. because i think from this skirmish think apart from this skirmish which with the which is going on with the rwanda conservatives rwanda plan, the conservatives actually good actually have a very good story to boat crossings in to tell. small boat crossings in 2023 were down for the first time, year on year since small boat crisis began. the deal, which the government did with the albanian government, has reduced of migrant reduced the number of migrant crossings by a third. inflation has halved. yes, it went up by about nought point 1, but they've met their target of halving inflation. taxes were cut on the 6th of january. the conservatives have a good story to tell. if they could just shut up arguing amongst each up and stop arguing amongst each other rwanda plan , other about this rwanda plan, actually focus the good actually focus on the good things which government are things which the government are delivering. but they're delivering. yes, but they're already doing that, patrick, because mentioned before , because as i mentioned before, for are for small boat crossings are down a third in 2023 than the year that a good year before. that is a good thing whatsoever that rishi

sunak ignore the sunak will actually ignore the echr because he's going to have to at some point, because this bill is not going to stop the echr getting involved. >> so do you think he will ignore them? i think we'll have >> so do you think he will igrsee them? i think we'll have >> so do you think he will igrsee them happens we'll have >> so do you think he will igrsee them happens we'llthe 'e bill. >> look, i'm disappointed that the the way that the the change in the way that the section 39, think it's called section 39, i think it's called was not put into force. i think that seemed like a sensible was not put into force. i think that sto med like a sensible was not put into force. i think that sto do. like a sensible was not put into force. i think that sto do. it's; a sensible was not put into force. i think that sto do. it's something; thing to do. it's something which the of course, which the french, of course, have they have done recently. they recently someone recently deported someone and can't the can't learn exactly what the country but they country it is to, but they recently someone in recently deported someone in defiance echr. there defiance of the echr. so there is of echr member countries is form of echr member countries signatories defined the echr. the uk has done it with regards to prisoner voting . so i think to prisoner voting. so i think there's precedent. precedent for doing that. so i think it's a disappointing we didn't see that happen. >> yeah. one thing that i think that we absolutely can't get around should we around right. and nor should we by way, nor we is by the way, nor should we is that people like leo are likely. anderson. okay. a lot of our viewers like the anderson, don't get me wrong. but people like lee like lee anderson, people like jacob rees—mogg, these rees—mogg, people like all these people a big song people who are making a big song and about the situation

people who are making a big song and havebout the situation people who are making a big song and have war the situation people who are making a big song and have war game. uation people who are making a big song and have war game. this»n people who are making a big song and have war game. this in should have war game. this in their if they their own mind. and if they recognise it culminated in recognise that it culminated in them, abstain doing or voting for this particular bill, then what was the point of ripping the party apart , voting for the party apart, voting for amendments on the same? there was no point in it. we wouldn't have been sitting here banging our heads against the desk. there wouldn't be a massive talk of turmoil now. people there wouldn't be a massive talk of not moil now. people there wouldn't be a massive talk of not have now. people there wouldn't be a massive talk of not have agreed ople there wouldn't be a massive talk of not have agreed with the might not have agreed with the idea conservatives have idea that the conservatives have waved that people idea that the conservatives have wave(is that people idea that the conservatives have wave(is weak. that people idea that the conservatives have wave(is weak. people :hat people idea that the conservatives have wave(is weak. people still)eople think is weak. people still think is weak. people still think that. but on of that, think that. but on top of that, now at a party now you're looking at a party that's in a that's completely divided in a mess. be honest, i think they that's completely divided in a messa be honest, i think they that's completely divided in a messa bit)e honest, i think they that's completely divided in a messa bit thick. est, i think they look a bit thick. >> i think the tory right has beenin >> i think the tory right has been in a bit of a lame duck since steve baker joined the government. they can't seem to organise a p up in a brewery, for lack of a better phrase. they basically, with this vote that we just saw today , that we just saw today, basically the same number of mps that against it last time, that voted against it last time, voted against it. this time we saw that voted for the saw mps that voted for the amendments vote in amendments yesterday vote in favour of the bill. today we saw brendan clarke—smith , who

brendan clarke—smith, who resigned with our colleague lee anderson, vote in favour of the bill today. i mean, what's going on? they just look rudderless for a vote for, uh, again , you for a vote for, uh, again, you know, and i interview these people a lot. >> they're on my show the other day, for example. there's nothing got nothing nothing i'm not i've got nothing against on a personal level against them on a personal level whatsoever. lot of our whatsoever. i know a lot of our viewers like them. it's a genuine of confusion. genuine level of confusion. right? it's the worst of genuine level of confusion. rightworlds, it's the worst of genuine level of confusion. rightworlds, really. the worst of genuine level of confusion. rightworlds, really. you'verst of both worlds, really. you've allowed everybody to look into it go. you completely divide it and go. you completely divide it. don't think this it. you clearly don't think this is work. now is going to work. you're now asking the at the next asking the public at the next election, which is going to be potentially months time potentially in a few months time , are going , the british public are going to vote on, on, on, to be asked to vote on, on, on, on this version of the rwanda plan . and they have been out plan. and they have been out there on the doorsteps and on national television for the last however many, many months , however many, many months, telling everybody that they don't rwanda plan is don't think this rwanda plan is going work, now they're going to work, and now they're going to work, and now they're going to work, and now they're going to ask the british public to and for to go and vote for it. >> british will >> what the british public will be voting for at the next general is the message general election is the message that need that the conservatives need to be out there, which is be getting out there, which is that plan reduce that their plan to reduce the

migrant working. migrant crossings is working. they're with they're returns deal with albania has reduced migrant crossings they're in crossings by a third. they're in negotiation with turkey for another deal . their another return deal. their plan to taxes . it has another return deal. their plan to taxes. it has happened. to cut taxes. it has happened. the inflation has come down. so they've got to focus on the wins rather than the division . rather than the division. >> now hold that thought there. i'll be you. i must say, putting up the fight the rishi up the good fight for the rishi sunak at moment. sunak government at the moment. but to go to neil but we're going to go to neil pansh but we're going to go to neil parish former conservative parish now. former conservative mp uh neil, what do mp neil parish. uh neil, what do you make of what we've just seen tonight? so if you are just joining us, the rwanda bill has passed . okay. um, and yeah, passed. okay. um, and yeah, what's your thoughts on that ? what's your thoughts on that? because of all the turmoil that we see. yeah. don't worry patrick, i've been tapped into gb news since 920, so i've been listening to it all. yeah. i mean, i think it's crazy what the party's done because they have, they've had a big fight with each other. they've marched up they've all had to up the hill, they've all had to march back down again . march back, back down again. >> and except the rwanda bill, so i think that, you know , the

so i think that, you know, the unity is what matters when it comes to the general election. >> you made the point that if labour gets in, they'll probably give an amnesty. labour gets in, they'll probably give an amnesty . they will not give an amnesty. they will not tackle the situation. and so the tory party must come together. if they've got any chance of winning the next election or holding as many seats as possible, because what you don't want is a complete landslide to laboun want is a complete landslide to labour, um, that allows them to do what they like, ignore the situation over immigration, which people find . yeah, really. which people find. yeah, really. so i just worry. i just worry whether or not that falls down, neil, because i think it might look a little bit like brexit all over again, where you get a load of really entitle old out of touch poshos completely ignonng of touch poshos completely ignoring what the vast majority of the british public want . of the british public want. >> yeah, i mean, you've got a real point there, patrick, but of course, i mean, what what has this huge debate achieved? all it's done is let the labour party and you had the labour party and you had the labour party guy there tonight , you

party guy there tonight, you know, really cock a hoot . oh, know, really cock a hoot. oh, how terrible it is. dreadful tory tories. everything's a total mess. they've got no solution and the situation will get worse. so unless, you know, like i said , the party must come like i said, the party must come together or they will die. they either die , you know, come either die, you know, come together and hold or they die as individuals. this is just like, this is just don't make it. i'm old enough to remember 92 to 97. i was a local councillor at the time. they said, neil, we like you very much, but we're just not voting tory. and this is what's happened again and we're just feeding it. we don't need to do this. i mean, me sitting away watching westminster, washing the car crash, you know, they go in, they say one thing at the end of the day, they're always ever going to turn around and vote for bill. when it and vote for the bill. when it got . and that's what makes got there. and that's what makes them so stupid. and it them all look so stupid. and it makes the party look stupid. and who that's gaining from who is it that's gaining from this? labour party , which i this? the labour party, which i believe will not be fit to run this country and will be much

worse on the issue over illegal immigration. >> okay. all right. let me just take you through, as i'm sure you're aware, but i want to remind our viewers and our listeners here, um, a couple of the amendments. so listeners here, um, a couple of the amendments . so the the amendments. so the notwithstanding clause , which notwithstanding clause, which basically meant that that, uh, the any decision that was made by the echr in the dead of night, we could just we could just override. right. so clearly, bill cash, sir. bill cash and whatever the heck these five families are called, i mean, they're massively dysfunctional families. i mean, all parents have had all their parents have had a divorce they've gone and divorce and they've gone off and they for they haven't met each other for they haven't met each other for the last 12 many years. but these are the families now. these are the five families now. um they think that these are the five families now. um there think that these are the five families now. um there t0|ink that these are the five families now. um there to be that these are the five families now. um there to be in|at these are the five families now. um there to be in there that there needed to be in there because rishi because they did not trust rishi sunak the echr . you sunak to overrule the echr. you can the same thing about the can say the same thing about the other amendment, about preventing the rule 39 injunctions well, also injunctions as well, which also failed. you think that rishi failed. do you think that rishi sunak will have the bottle to override, uh, any echr ruling? and another reason why i asked thatis and another reason why i asked that is because he spoke to our

political editor a couple of days ago, and he asked him directly. christopher hope asked him directly that, and he him directly about that, and he basically there will him directly about that, and he barcertain there will him directly about that, and he barcertain circumstances; will him directly about that, and he barcertain circumstances .will be certain circumstances. there'll certain there'll be certain circumstances. that's not a resounding ? resounding yes. is it? >> no, it's probably not as good an answer as you would have wanted . but i also think, you wanted. but i also think, you know, i i've got lot of know, i mean, i've got a lot of time for robert because time for robert buckland because don't forget, he is a he is a lawyer, barrister. he lawyer, he's a barrister. he understands i don't understands the law. and i don't understands the law. and i don't understand the law. and i think you'll find if they made this too tight, i think it would be counterproductive. so therefore , counterproductive. so therefore, i do actually trust rishi sunak on this issue to actually ignore the courts because that's what you'll need to do. but i think by putting it into legislation , by putting it into legislation, i think i would agree that it would make the situation worse , would make the situation worse, not better. and so i think there has to be some sort of faith. but of course, because the party has divided itself so much over this, it's very difficult for anybody to believe anybody at the moment. to be clear , to be the moment. to be clear, to be just just to be clear then.

>> right. the british public have to just accept that this government has decided now. well, look, we're not going to put it in law, right? we're not going to put it in law. i promise you, we're not going to put it in law. um, so don't don't we can't we can't have that uh, but this group don't we can't we can't have th.people uh, but this group don't we can't we can't have th.people from but this group don't we can't we can't have th.people from art this group don't we can't we can't have th.people from a particulaer of people from a particular caucus, the majority caucus, the vast majority of whom voted for remain whom actually voted for remain and did everything they and then did everything they could to deliver the softest brexit they imagined . if brexit deal they imagined. if the deal at all, we just the brexit deal at all, we just have to trust these people now to as and when the time comes to override the echr , the british override the echr, the british pubuc override the echr, the british public has to suck that up. do they? >> well , i they? >> well, i think they will find that very difficult to accept , that very difficult to accept, but i believe that is the case because i think, you know, the trouble is, patrick, whatever the common sense of the situation is , the law will be situation is, the law will be the law . and at the end of the the law. and at the end of the day, i think that is the right solution. and i think people will have to make up their mind when they get to the general election want election. do they want rishi sunak ? do they want the tories

sunak? do they want the tories or do they the risk? labour or do they want the risk? labour and it'll be be much and it'll be it'll be a much more interesting conversation than having but than we're having tonight, but it very difficult for it will be very difficult for the tories. >> thank you very, the tories. >> much. thank you very, the tories. >> much. really nk you very, the tories. >> much. really appreciatey, the tories. >> much. really appreciate you very much. really appreciate you coming on. thank you very, very much. parish there. much. there's neil parish there. former go former conservative mp. let's go now to current conservative mp geoffrey geoffrey geoffrey clifton—brown geoffrey right. thank you. now i've obviously been locked in this studio for the last uh well hour and 15 minutes. so i haven't got the exact detail in front of me here now. how did you vote? >> no, i voted for third reading for the bill. >> okay. because it's absolutely imperative that we give this a shot. despite what neil saying, uh, we have to reduce these illegal migrant numbers and the dangerous boat crossings. uh, and i, i respect my colleagues who have been trying to toughen up the bill on the, on the right hand side, but nevertheless, most of them voted in third reading. we won it by almost 50 vote, which is quite, uh, and the bill is completely. >> can i ask, did you vote for

did you vote for any of the amendments? no no, no. so you so you are a spartan of the original bill, as it were . original bill, as it were. >> i think it's really important that we send a very strong message to the house of lords and to the courts . this is what and to the courts. this is what parliament wants. and parliament wants it to work. if we'd started messing about, amending it, uh, the thing would have fallen apart. >> right. so let's look >> okay. right. so let's look ahead a bit. let's look ahead a bit to what happens in the house of lords. okay? a lot of people think, hey, that's a building full tony's cronies. and full of tony's cronies. and they're out of touch and they're all a bit wet and they're all a bit soft. how are you going to deal with the that they're deal with the fact that they're probably to knock this probably going to knock this back a load more back with a load more amendments, and the meantime, amendments, and in the meantime, the coming. we've the boats keep on coming. we've had loads of people had we've had loads of people arriving 300 arriving today, you know, 300 people. was 350 people. i think it was 350 people. i think it was 350 people alone . you know, people today alone. you know, uh, what's going to happen then when it comes to house of lords? well the house of well i've no doubt the house of lords will pay great attention to it and try amend it. to it and try and amend it. >> they may well amend it. to it and try and amend it. >:will they may well amend it. to it and try and amend it. >:will theny may well amend it.

to it and try and amend it. >:will then come well amend it. to it and try and amend it. >:will then come back amend it. to it and try and amend it. >:will then come back totend it. to it and try and amend it. >:will then come back to us.! it. it will then come back to us. we will it back we will push it back to them. we will push it back to them. we will what's called ping will be in what's called ping pong. i think eventually the pong. but i think eventually the house commons has to prevail. house of commons has to prevail. and the parliamentary and that's the parliamentary convention. it on the convention. we'll get it on the statute book. and then i think we want to get some people sent over to rwanda pretty quickly . over to rwanda pretty quickly. >> right. good. okay. so we're we're talking months possibly already at this point . by the already at this point. by the time, by the time ping pong is done and parliament and the inevitable happens , which is inevitable happens, which is eventually i mean, this is again, just ridiculous thing. the british public have to accept. we've just got to suck up bit of back and up a little bit of back and forth between the and the forth between the lords and the commons for a while. more of this rubbish before eventually commons for a while. more of thjust bbish before eventually commons for a while. more of thjust goes before eventually commons for a while. more of thjust goes throughzventually commons for a while. more of thjust goes throughzventiislly it just goes through as it is tonight. probably then we tonight. probably and then we end up with a hold up, do we not? the echr. then we not? from the echr. and then we find whether or not rishi find out whether or not rishi sunak has got the bottle to actually is that actually ignore the echr is that how this pans out ? how this pans out? >> sorry. yes. well the answer is that it will be held up for a month or so. i would say by the

house of lords. and then i think we're in a territory we can start it and start to start to enact it and start to get some people off to rwanda. and what opponents are and i hear what opponents are saying about echr . but this bill saying about echr. but this bill is very clear . and if the court, is very clear. and if the court, the british courts don't intervene , i think the echr will intervene, i think the echr will find it very difficult to intervene in something that's so clearly put in place by parliament and not opposed by the court , but the british the court, but the british courts could actually stop this. >> still, you think , well, they >> still, you think, well, they can't stop it in principle because we've now signed a treaty with rwanda saying rwanda is a safe place. >> so the only avenue open now is for somebody to be able to overcome the very high bar of appeal showing that that it's, uh, that irreversible harm will be caused to them. and they're going to have to have very, very strong grounds for appeal. i that they would suffer a heart attack on the plane going to rwanda , or there's a mistaken rwanda, or there's a mistaken identity. the grounds for appeal

will be very , very narrow indeed i >> -- >> okay. -_ >> okay. i'm ham >> okay. i'm just getting some information through to me right now that i'll put to you , um, now that i'll put to you, um, which is that according to the sun newspapers, harry cole rishi sunak will address the nation tomorrow morning, and he's going tomorrow morning, and he's going to issue a direct call to the house of lords to not meddle with the government's bill. uh, what do you make of that? well i think it's a really good idea . think it's a really good idea. >> i think their lordships have got to really realise that this is the overwhelming will of the house of commons now. it's what the ruling party wants . we've the ruling party wants. we've got to try and, uh, produce what the public wants. i mean, patrick, you and i are on the side of the public, and i believe the public overwhelmingly want us to reduce the number of illegal immigrants coming into this country. the number of illegal immigrants coming into this country . and we coming into this country. and we are doing our very best to do that. and one of the ways to do that. and one of the ways to do thatis that. and one of the ways to do

that is to get this bill on the statute book and start using it. >> uh, okay. all right. and you don't think that there's going to be, uh , i mean, i find it to be, uh, i mean, i find it i find it difficult to believe that so many of your colleagues could think that there were clearly issues that needed amending when it came to the role that foreign courts could play role that foreign courts could play in this, when to play in this, when it came to whether or not our own human rights get in the way rights act could get in the way of it, whether or not asylum seekers alleged asylum seekers could still submit relentless claims to it. but now people just have to accept that this bill is fine as it is, and it will work, and we will get. do you think we will see planes taking off to rwanda before the next election? >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> yeah . okay. how many people >> yeah. okay. how many people do you think will be on those planes? >> i have no idea. but i do think we don't. we don't need too many on those planes before somebody paying an illegal boat. uh trafficker to cross the channel several thousand pounds . channel several thousand pounds. they're going to think twice. if

they thought they were going to be sent back to rwanda. and not be sent back to rwanda. and not be allowed to stay in this country. >> very, w“ wn— >> okay. very, very. lastly um, well, i've got you. and thank you for your time this evening. i appreciate it because i do appreciate it because i know you've probably had an absolutely manic day and a manic few um, what would few days, but, um, what would your be the the your message to be the to the likes of lee anderson, for example , who, you know , other example, who, you know, other people as well , like example, who, you know, other people as well, like mark francois is a classic example of it. miriam cates is another classic example of it. who? actually, i don't mind saying. i don't mind saying this was on this show last night from what looked like a pub toilet. this show last night from what looked like a pub toilet . right? looked like a pub toilet. right? and i think that's an absolute shocker because if you are saying that you care so much about this bill and this bill is so important to the future of british society and to the fabnc british society and to the fabric of british society, and you're going to put forward amendments and you're to amendments and you're going to rip apart over it, and rip a party apart over it, and you're going to divide the pubuc you're going to divide the public over it. right? could you do viewers the common do me and my viewers the common courtesy popping courtesy, please, of not popping up at about 9:10? from what

looks like a pub toilet? okay if you really care that much about it, i found that absolutely astonishing , right? what would astonishing, right? what would you say to people like that who have public up the hill have led the public up the hill here and then marched straight back well of back down? it again? well of course, we are a broad church party. >> we've got a variety of opinion in our party. we've got the right that wanted to strengthen the bill. there's some that wanted some on the left that wanted to ruin bill. we are ruin the bill. uh, but we are a broad church party. the vast bulk of the party accepted that this was worth a try. bulk of the party accepted that this was worth a try . why? this was worth a try. why? i don't know whether it'll work or not, but i think it's certainly worth a try. and on behalf of the and my the british public and my electorate, i'm prepared to give it all effort that i have to it all the effort that i have to make gets on the make sure this bill gets on the statute think statute book. and i think ordinary, working people ordinary, decent working people in country will agree with in this country will agree with us that. all right. us on that. all right. >> sir geoffrey clifton—brown, thank much. take thank you very, very much. take care. to you again care. i'll chat to you again very no doubt. right. very soon. no doubt. right. okay. look , we are going okay. now look, we are going to be to exact topic be returning to this exact topic which been doing which we have been doing uninterrupted for the last uninterrupted now for the last hour and 20 minutes in about

another ten minutes time, because i will have all of tomorrow's front pages for you racked ready in front racked up. ready to go in front of of the very latest as of me. all of the very latest as well. going to be hearing well. we're going to be hearing from again, some from some insiders again, some more mp's. et cetera, cetera, more mp's. et cetera, et cetera, etc. not the only etc. but it is not the only story in town. all right. we're just going to come up air just going to come up for air for second the rwanda for a second from the rwanda bill, going to be bill, and we're going to be talking has been, talking about what has been, frankly, a very shocking frankly, quite a very shocking day royal health day for royal news. royal health news. so the royal family made two shock announcements this afternoon both afternoon, revealing that both the king and the princess of wales are receiving hospital treatment at the moment. so kate has undergone , as they say, has undergone, as they say, a pre—planned abdominal surgery and will stay at the london clinic hospital for around two weeks. in a statement , weeks. in a statement, kensington palace said the operation was successful and she likely won't return to public dufies likely won't return to public duties until easter. while she recovers, which is a heck of a long time. by the way. and shortly after, buckingham palace then announced that king charles will also be in hospital next week to be treated for an enlarged prostate. his public

engagements postponed engagements will be postponed for of time. i'm for a short period of time. i'm joined so by joined now very gratefully so by the at large at the mail the editor at large at the mail on sunday, charlotte griffiths , on sunday, charlotte griffiths, who at least who says deposit with at least a couple of running order running orders being so far orders being shredded so far tonight. there we go. tonight. but there we go. charlotte, you very charlotte, thank you very much for joining yeah, forjoining us. and yeah, i mean, how concerned the mean, how concerned should the british here? two british public be here? two really quite shocking royal health really quite shocking royal haneah they've major >> yeah they've been major stories . stories today. >> think we should be >> and i think we should be quite although >> and i think we should be quite been although >> and i think we should be quite been told although >> and i think we should be quite been told that although >> and i think we should be quite been told that kate's hough >> and i think we should be quite been told that kate's hadjh we've been told that kate's had a good operation, it was on tuesday and she's recovering a good operation, it was on tuescshe'sd she's recovering a good operation, it was on tuescshe's going; recovering a good operation, it was on tuescshe's going; rebeyering a good operation, it was on tuescshe's going; rebe ining well. she's going to be in hospital for 10 12 or maybe hospital for 10 to 12 or maybe even longer. 14 days, which is a really long actually. really long time, actually. there some quite major there were some quite major operations require operations that only require 3 or in hospital. and not or 4 nights in hospital. and not only william's only that, but william's cancelled most of his engagements. a major royal tour to rome been cancelled . um, to rome has been cancelled. um, and that would have taken, you know, planning. know, months of planning. so they, know, wouldn't they, you know, they wouldn't cancel really cancel that unless it was really serious and we haven't seen her for we're not going for 23 days, and we're not going to again after to see her again till after easter. so you know, this is quite serious. whatever it is. and think mustn't and i really think we mustn't speculate, it's worrying.

speculate, but it's worrying. and the nation, of course adores the princess of wales. and you know , we'll all be incredibly know, we'll all be incredibly worried her the next worried about her for the next few think. few days, i think. >> well absolutely. >> yeah. well absolutely. i mean, the i would like mean, by the way, i would like to issue mine , i'm sure to just issue mine, i'm sure back all of our viewers and back out all of our viewers and listeners out views that we wish her all the best. and king, her all the best. and the king, all question all the best. yeah question marks with the king over whether all the best. yeah question minot with the king over whether all the best. yeah question minot we h the king over whether all the best. yeah question minot we shoulding over whether all the best. yeah question minot we should know er whether all the best. yeah question minot we should know aboutether all the best. yeah question minot we should know about the' or not we should know about the king's enlarged prostate . king's enlarged prostate. >> it's true that there is >> well, it's true that there is a new era where they're slightly being a bit more open about health issues, but he had to declare that he was going to be out of action because he's got planned engagements. so he had to say something. and i think there is a era which he there is a new era in which he isn't going to be vague, there is a new era in which he isn"he's going to be vague, there is a new era in which he isn"he's going to be specific. but he's going to be specific. and a way, it's sort of and in a way, it's sort of reassuring because they were clear about fact it's clear about the fact that it's non—cancerous, like kate's, which also reassuring. which is also reassuring. um, and it's benign issue , and then it's a benign issue, too. and he wants to raise too. and also he wants to raise awareness because of course, it's something lot of the it's something that a lot of the nation's face at some point nation's men face at some point in their life. so he's like, well, i'm going to be ill, well, if i'm going to be ill, i may as well, um, use it to

spread some awareness about quite condition. so quite worrying condition. so i suppose are, you know, the suppose we are, you know, the queen. you're right. the queen, she still alive. would say she was still alive. would say something very vague, like sort of prolonged mobility issues or. yes. >> yeah, well, exactly . we >> yeah, well, exactly. we remember that, don't we? yeah. periodic mobility issues or something. something like periodic mobility issues or somywasn't something like periodic mobility issues or somywasn't yeah.mething like periodic mobility issues or somywasn't yeah. at�*thing like periodic mobility issues or somywasn't yeah. at theg like that wasn't it. yeah. at the time yeah. nothing time and yeah. and nothing i think that was, that was probably the right thing. but i suppose different styles etc. william as well as, as cancelled all his engagements , presumably all his engagements, presumably with a view towards helping to look after kate in some form, i suppose. yeah. okay. >> and also the kids as well, because they've just started a new time at school and this is another reason why it must be quite kate and quite serious, because kate and william, number plan william, their number one plan is kids life as is to keep the kids life as normal as possible, even though their royal. but in their short time new school, time at this new school, they've had they've had had the queen die. they've had a coronation, they've been taken out a few times and out of school a few times and now they've got this really worrying thing their worrying thing where their mum's not at for not going to be at home for weeks. you william's weeks. so, you know, william's had clear schedule so he had to clear his schedule so he

can an on kids and can keep an eye on the kids and make they're too not make sure they're too not troubled. know, they're troubled. you know, they're at a boarding though. don't boarding school though. i don't think they actually board. i think they actually board. i think of think they're kind of day pupils. to pupils. but he'll be wanting to keep eye on them, keep a really close eye on them, as as kate. as well as kate. >> no, indeed. and so, >> yeah. no, indeed. and so, i mean, i'll honest you, mean, i'll be honest with you, we the office initially we were in the office initially when, when this first broke and then second thing. i then we got the second thing. i think got it kind of almost think he got it kind of almost makes real. real think he got it kind of almost makthat real. real think he got it kind of almost makthat royal real. real think he got it kind of almost makthat royal familyteal think he got it kind of almost makthat royal family lsil lies that the royal family is a real family. we all health real family. we all have health problems, don't we? but also how vulnerable family is. vulnerable our royal family is. and so much to and because they mean so much to britain such britain and they are such a part of the of country as of the fabric of this country as well. i mean, good grief, you know, it doesn't thinking well. i mean, good grief, you know, ibutesn't thinking well. i mean, good grief, you know, ibutesn'tknow, thinking well. i mean, good grief, you know, ibutesn'tknow, we'velg well. i mean, good grief, you know, ibutesn'tknow, we've got about. but you know, we've got the the moment who's the king at the moment who's clearly got, um, clearly unwell. we've got, um, kate as well, who is unwell. prince william's going to be out of action for little while of action for a little while a while. i mean, it is concerning times for the nation, though, isn't it? >> and it's also concerning for the in that, of the royal family in that, of course, their health course, about their health is a worry. but they've no worry. but also they've got no spare who's going to spare royals. so who's going to do kind do all these duties. they kind of many men as they of they need as many men as they can in the so they can get in the game. so they need everyone fit and healthy.

>> well, well think they >> well, well do you think they they at moments like this? >> well they probably do. and i actually will be actually think harry will be thinking feeling very actually think harry will be thiroff.] feeling very actually think harry will be thiroff. i'm feeling very actually think harry will be thiroff. i'm guessing.ing very actually think harry will be thiroff. i'm guessing over'ery actually think harry will be thiroff. i'm guessing over there cut off. i'm guessing over there in because was in montecito, because he was really close to kate one really close to kate at one point. course he point. and of course he was close his brother. but they close to his brother. but they were, you know, he considered kate's going kate's sister. he's going to find difficult find it very difficult to reach out and ask william how how out now and ask william how how she and perhaps he'll be she is. and perhaps he'll be regretting things he regretting some of the things he said spare, were quite said in spare, which were quite unkind sort unkind about kate being a sort of type of fitting the royal mould type of fitting the royal mould type of know, all of of person. you know, all of these will have these things will have contributed a feeling of contributed to a feeling of stress kate. not saying stress for kate. i'm not saying this stress related. i this is at all stress related. i genuinely know is. genuinely don't know what it is. but you know, on top of whatever she must been dealing she must have been dealing with, she's been having had these grenades from omid grenades lobbed at her from omid scobie, isn't prince harry, scobie, who isn't prince harry, but is you know, an associate , but is you know, an associate, um, who's been very unkind. and of course , there royal of course, there was the royal racist saga, which was directed at i poor thing, if at kate. i mean, poor thing, if she's suffering from she's been suffering from a health and enduring health condition and enduring all putting a really all that and putting a really brave then well brave face on it, then then well done but um, yeah, done her. but um, yeah, they might be wishing they had somebody like harry waiting in the wings to do a few

engagements. >> yeah, i think, like you said again, if they've again, you know, if they've known these issues known about these health issues for a little period of time . for a little period of time. yeah. you just think about some of the things that's come out recently issues recently and some of the issues with with harry and meghan, you know, it literally in recent, you know, in recent months, i think just think you know, think you just think you know, harry maybe ever and think harry maybe ever stop and think about damage that about some of the damage that he's some of issues. he's doing, some of the issues. and you there makes it and like you said there makes it very to imagine very difficult to imagine that he's up phone he's going to pick up the phone to william now. and say, oh, i've just heard about i've just heard this about kay. or of course, or to his own father, of course, as well. so i find it very hard to he's going to able to believe he's going to be able to believe he's going to be able to do that. and that's sad to do that. and that's just sad for sad any family , i think. >> sad for all of for sure. yeah. >> yeah. look, thank you very much. thank you for being so flexible this evening as well. when the amount when it's come to the amount of changes with this changes that we've had with this movable that we've movable feast that we've got going parliament, but going on in parliament, but look, appreciated. look, massively appreciated. thank you so much. i think you'll on as you'll be back on friday as well. yes will. good okay. well. yes you will. good okay. charlotte the editor charlotte griffiths, the editor at large the mail on sunday. at large at the mail on sunday. i'm going to remind you now i'm just going to remind you now just because we're going just before, because we're going

to bang on past to all to go bang on half past to all of the front pages for you . of the front pages for you. right. get those front right. so we'll get those front pages than pages to you quicker than anybody but i just want to anybody else. but i just want to remind you of what former deputy tory party chairman lee anderson said to our political editor, christopher hope, in the wake of him getting this abstaining on the vote tonight , tonight i was the vote tonight, tonight i was going to vote no . going to vote no. >> so i went into the no lobby to vote no because i you know, i couldn't see how i could support the bill. after backing all the amendments, i got into the no lobby. i spent about 2 or 3 minutes with a colleague in there. the labour lot was all all giggling and laughing and taking the mic, and i couldn't do it in my heart of hearts. i could not vote no. so i walked out and come out. so i've abstained. um, i wanted to vote no. but when i saw that lot in there laughing, there's no there laughing, um, there's no way support them . um, way i could support them. um, above the party. that's that's given me a political home. so i hope the bill succeeds. you know, i've got my reservations ,

know, i've got my reservations, choppen know, i've got my reservations, chopper. it's upset me , chopper. it's upset me, honestly, over the past 24 hours. it's a difficult thing to do . do. >> okay, well, there we go. that was the former deputy party chairman , uh, lee anderson chairman, uh, lee anderson there. i promised you we'd get you the front page for anyone else. let's do it right now . else. let's do it right now. start with the metro royals. double health shock . kate and double health shock. kate and charles in hospital. we were just discussing that. that princess of wales 14 days stay after stomach surgery. and the king is going to have an op on an enlarged prostate. let's go to the daily star now. very similar thing. in fact, same picture kate there i think as picture of kate there i think as well. princess in hospital up to 14 days after tummy surgery . 14 days after tummy surgery. wills will stay at her side until she returns to work at easter. it's a heck long easter. it's a heck of a long time know , uh, the time out that you know, uh, the king as well. going to have a prostate there go. let's prostate op. there we go. let's go the i. the i says revealed go to the i. the i says revealed new post office it scandal claims as convicted postmasters plead for help. this is another it system used by the post office was flawed and led to

wrongful convictions. i mean this story just every single time that you think is, oh, we've heard it all now we haven't heard it all. let's go to the sun. same two health shocks. royals rocked by kate op. she's in hospital for two weeks. no duties for three months. prostate up for king. some people will think, by the way, that you know this. obviously, whilst we all wish them incredibly well, uh, makes them incredibly well, uh, makes the royal family, you know, relatable. we all have health issues. um, other people , i issues. um, other people, i think, especially when it comes to charles, i think have a to king charles, i think have a right to wonder why on we right to wonder why on earth we know prostate know about his enlarged prostate . you he's the king, for . you know, he's the king, for goodness but anyway, the goodness sake. but anyway, the guardian sunak rwanda bill survive lives as tory revolt melts away. for now, frantic 11th hour talks persuade rebels to avoid endangering the pm. yeah, because , um, there was a yeah, because, um, there was a heck of a lot of weakness. clearly taking place at the moment. the times rwanda revolt withers away. braverman among 11 tories to vote against forced migration bill. that's

interesting. actually. poll shows support for party at lowest level since truss. let's bnngin lowest level since truss. let's bring in my panel now. christine hamilton, we've got adam brooks, we've got matthew lazar. um, adam. so braverman did vote against this bill. 11 tories voted against him. former home secretary suella braverman was one of them. you'd have leading. >> i'd have her as our prime minister. i think she's the only one, really, that that is deeply passionate about stopping these boats and ending this crisis. i think she's an intelligent woman . she winds up the left terribly . i think she would have a far better chance in a general election than rishi sunak. he's going to get annihilated. so why not give someone like her a go ? not give someone like her a go? >> i agree, absolutely agree. she would be give the tories a much better crack of the whip. >> okay , matthew, you know polls >> okay, matthew, you know polls show for the party at show support for the party at lowest level since truss . i lowest level since truss. i mean, this this hasn't moved the

dial. i mean , this is the thing dial. i mean, this is the thing i can't get my head around. i mean, what they're doing now with the rwanda plan is not moving the dial. no >> and of course, one of the things start things that they have to start thinking about what happens thinking about is what happens after the election. if labour does majority, is does win a majority, this is going of a tory going to be one hell of a tory civil between two very, civil war between two very, very distinct wings the party and, distinct wings of the party and, you know, i can't almost can't see it resolving itself. i mean, frankly, in labour in the corbyn years, a small split with years, we had a small split with chuka umunna and a few left, but i think, you know, you i mean, i think, you know, you might see something similar in the tories. actually the tories. will there actually be okay to >> yeah. okay let's go to a story that is going to be the story that is going to be on the inside of a couple of the newspapers tomorrow. and a newspapers tomorrow. and it's a brilliant operation. newspapers tomorrow. and it's a brilliant the operation. newspapers tomorrow. and it's a brilliant the metropolitan on. this from the metropolitan police. they've been police. now they've been smashing the in smashing through the gangs in central london and known as the rolex rippers. so the force have released videos of undercover cops being attacked whilst wearing these luxury watches. right so they went out there deliberately with luxury watches on show because they knew these gangs were operating in a

specific part of the capital. by the way, they're operating across the country. but anyway , across the country. but anyway, here are the perpetrators, notably , they're all young men notably, they're all young men and they all are people of colour . now, and they all are people of colour. now, this prompted conservative commentator albie amankona to write , i am sick of amankona to write, i am sick of seeing young black men drawn into crime. we must ask why so many young black men are drawn to crime , and what we can do to to crime, and what we can do to stop it without racist being thrown around. but the word racist being thrown around. we can't just ask what can the state do? we must also ask what the black community can do now , the black community can do now, albee was with us a little while ago, of course, but we did have to rip up the running order and cover what was a delayed but breaking event going on in the house of commons over the rwanda bill. so albee is now no longer with us, um, someone who with us, but, um, someone who does personal experience of does have personal experience of these exact gangs is with us. adam go on. >> uh, i've been robbed twice. uh, on my doorstep, uh, for

watches . violently. once i was watches. violently. once i was stabbed , um, and the other time stabbed, um, and the other time i was hit with baseball bats. now now, the first time they tried to actually get into my house and i managed to fight them off. luckily but, you know , them off. luckily but, you know, both times it ended up being gangs with people of colour. now, again, what? i'm glad albee has said that. because if i had said that, then i would be called racist. and his whole point, you know, we must be able to say facts without being labelled . i mean, i'm not, you labelled. i mean, i'm not, you know , there are bad people of know, there are bad people of all colours, of all creeds , of all colours, of all creeds, of all colours, of all creeds, of all religions. well, and it is important to genuinely i mean , important to genuinely i mean, on both times, loads of white people . people. >> nick. what i mean, you know, i mean that and garden i mean, they were all white old duffers, weren't they? you know, it's not, it's not this specific crime that has happened to me twice was perpetrated by, twice was was perpetrated by, uh, gangs .

uh, black gangs. >> i think as we saw this week with the report into the rochdale grooming scandal, it's important , uh, you know, important that, uh, you know, the things are the things that are fact are stated as fact and they are understood because, of course, of the course, quite a lot of the victims this crime well course, quite a lot of the victirbe this crime well course, quite a lot of the victirbe people:rime well course, quite a lot of the victirbe people ofne well course, quite a lot of the victirbe people of colour,'ell course, quite a lot of the victirbe people of colour, uh, in may be people of colour, uh, in london, is a very diverse london, which is a very diverse city. you know, there is city. so, you know, if there is a with gangs of young a problem with gangs of young black then need look black men, then we need to look at and work out what we can do. >> the key reasons as well, why it's important to discuss this, in when you look at, in my view, is when you look at, especially in london, especially in my view, is when you look at, es london,in london, especially in my view, is when you look at, es london, youyndon, especially in my view, is when you look at, es london, you know, especially in my view, is when you look at, es london, you know, espeiially in my view, is when you look at, es london, you know, espei know in london, you know, and i know i i'll never want to seem i know, i'll never want to seem too you too london centric. but, you know, crime happens know, a lot of crime happens in london look at the london when you look at the victims of things like knife crime . uh, they, they very crime. uh, they, they very often, overwhelmingly knife crime in london. hinckley are also members of ethnic minority communities. right. so this is not you know, it's in everyone's interest to deal with an issue here. there are socioeconomic factors at play. absolutely i know an issue that albie is also very keen. he's mentioned it several times on gb news before

as well . is several times on gb news before as well. is the several times on gb news before as well . is the issue of um, as well. is the issue of um, absent fathers when it comes to certain certain family backgrounds there as well, that has a role to play. you know, all of those things can come together and make it much more likely that people are going to go and join gangs or be a part of the trade or all of that of the drug trade or all of that stuff, quick, stuff, and be after a quick, quick buck. >> this specific crime of taking people's rolexes valued people's rolexes or high valued watches really exploded over people's rolexes or high valued watylast really exploded over people's rolexes or high valued watylast orreally exploded over people's rolexes or high valued watylast or 7ally exploded over people's rolexes or high valued watylast or 7 years. ploded over people's rolexes or high valued watylast or 7 years. i.oded over people's rolexes or high valued watylast or 7 years. i mean)ver people's rolexes or high valued watylast or 7 years. i mean, ver the last 6 or 7 years. i mean, i've got several that i've got several friends that this happened my this is also happened to in my area . it become sort of an area. it become sort of an epidemic , you know, gangs from epidemic, you know, gangs from london coming to essex and stealing high value watches. now now, this is a street gang problem. um, and obviously now the metropolitan police are taking this even more seriously and are tackling it. >> well, could i just say as well, i don't know if we might be able to just quickly get get that clip up of them that police officer will want the. yeah. good.the officer will want the. yeah. good. the cctv that we that we had um of the police officers

here can i just say so that's an undercover police officer now, christine, the bravery of that guy genuinely the met getting a kicking every now and again . i kicking every now and again. i mean, this guy literally did that kicking actually, didn't he? >> that is exactly the point i was going to make. the met gets a kicking. exactly. and people criticise the perfectly, criticise the met perfectly, understandably. you forget understandably. but you forget that certain brave that there are certain brave police officers. i mean, he is deliberately walking into dangenl deliberately walking into danger. i hope the watch that he's got his wrist is a fake, he's got on his wrist is a fake, but nevertheless he knows what he's doing. so let's hear it. but not years but i remember not many years ago, in new york and there ago, i was in new york and there was this is horrible. was a spate. this is horrible. by the way. there was spate of by the way. there was a spate of crimes people would catch crimes and if people would catch people, women in a lift, people, largely women in a lift, and if they didn't take their fings and if they didn't take their rings off in an instant, and if they didn't take their rings off in an instant , they rings off in an instant, they just chopped their fingers. oh, i mean, it was horrendous. a lot of stuff that starts in america comes here. comes over here. >> you know, well, we >> so, you know, well, we saw that discussing the that when we discussing the coats you know, the coats last week. you know, the epidemic of coats epidemic of theft of coats and trainers has been a big thing. but, a particular coats, uh, but, um, a particular coats, uh, you know, cost of living crisis

gets worse. you know, cost of living crisis get these e. crimes will >> these sorts of crimes will get and one thing i will get worse. and one thing i will say is the first time that happened to me was in 2015. it took me 2 or 3 years to lose the paranoia to of going out and not looking over my shoulder or i work late. so pulling up to my house and you know, fearing that something like this was happen again, you know, this this really does affect the mindset of the victims. it's a terrible, terrible look, you know, i by of the victims. it's a terrible, terrway,.ook, you know, i by of the victims. it's a terrible, terrway, i've you know, i by of the victims. it's a terrible, terrway, i've completely! by of the victims. it's a terrible, terrway, i've completely iby of the victims. it's a terrible, terrway, i've completely i mean, the way, i've completely i mean, i don't wear a watch mainly because i go out of the habit of it and all that. >> and i, you know, it's not something something something it's not something that's, people that's, you know, some people are into watch, some are really into watch, some people are really into. it's just not something that's ever float know float my boat massively. i know loads loads viewers loads of loads of our viewers and are not going to and listeners are not going to be sitting there wearing a 30 grand watch. but is an grand watch. okay. but it is an example people are having example of how people are having to their of and to change their way of life and their habits to compensate their their habits to compensate for now seriously for crime. people now seriously thinking i go out, thinking about when i go out, what's the point of buying an ice watch if you're not going to wear it out? that be my wear it out? that would be my view. going to wear view. i'm not going to wear it

out just case someone out now. just in case someone with machete decides they want with a machete decides they want to it off wrist at 2:00 to hack it off my wrist at 2:00 in morning, you just think, in the morning, you just think, well, come on. >> and one the reasons >> and it's one of the reasons why rolex prices why the second hand rolex prices have dropped as well. mean, have dropped as well. i mean, there's a lot of people are not because a lot of people are not buying because they're buying them now because they're too wear them in too scared to wear them in places london. too scared to wear them in pla i've london. too scared to wear them in pla i've never ndon. too scared to wear them in pla i've never understood the >> i've never understood the attraction of rolex watches. i mean, would 30, mean, why would you spend 30, 40, mean, it's a watch for 40, 50? i mean, it's a watch for goodness sake. you can get a watch that looks exactly the same far less. i find a lot same for far less. i find a lot of frankly. well, there same for far less. i find a lot of a frankly. well, there same for far less. i find a lot of a brand rankly. well, there same for far less. i find a lot of a brand in|kly. well, there same for far less. i find a lot of a brand in the well, there same for far less. i find a lot of a brand in the 80s,, there same for far less. i find a lot of a brand in the 80s, had re was a brand in the 80s, had the slogan, for job slogan, does the same forjob a lot less, bob. >> there you go. lot less, bob. >> was there you go. lot less, bob. >> was it here you go. lot less, bob. >> was it really?u go. >> was it really? >> was it really? >> they're pretty unattractive and lot of them, frankly, are and a lot of them, frankly, are pretty talk pretty vulgar. i mean, talk about rich, i'm rich. about saying i'm rich, i'm rich. come me. it's an come and mug me. it's an invitation to thief. >> yeah. i mean, look, arthur, i maybe, some point in my >> yeah. i mean, look, arthur, i mayl'll some point in my >> yeah. i mean, look, arthur, i mayl'll have some point in my >> yeah. i mean, look, arthur, i mayl'll have enoughne point in my >> yeah. i mean, look, arthur, i mayl'll have enough moneyt in my >> yeah. i mean, look, arthur, i mayl'll have enough money to1 my life i'll have enough money to afford gram rolex, i'll afford a 40 gram rolex, and i'll decide. guy. decide. you're not a rolex guy. all of a sudden, i really like them, you know? but. but there we go. i want to move it on we go. i just want to move it on now a clip we now because this was a clip we always to bring the odd always like to bring you the odd little viral clip, as they're called was all kicking called now. it was all kicking off good morning

called now. it was all kicking off earlier, od morning called now. it was all kicking off earlier, quiteyrning britain earlier, quite literally. former labour literally. here's former labour minister balls by name, minister ed balls balls by name, showing co—presenter susanna reid what he really thinks of her. >> who then ? >> who then? >> who then? >> oh, you just caught her. i'm sorry. okay. >> i think we've decided it's not okay though . my eyesight did not okay though. my eyesight did go blurry . for about 20 not okay though. my eyesight did go blurry. for about 20 minutes, dean >> right , so. dean >> right, so. all right. poor ed balls . let's just row back from balls. let's just row back from this for a second. all right. so what you just saw there was ed balls and susanna reid and them doing some kind of thing about aeroplane seating. right. and her genuinely claiming that he'd kicked her so hard in the back of the head that she'd nearly gone blind . but wait a second. gone blind. but wait a second. there's a yeah, hang on. we're gonna. no, i'm sorry. there's a yeah, hang on. we're gonna. no, i'm sorry . we're gonna. no, i'm sorry. we're going to go to var on this one. all right? we're going to go to var. i'm going to have to go and check the monitor. yep. i'm going have okay okay. going to have to go okay okay. the viewers are there. are. the viewers are there. we are.

look that. we'll slowly look at that. we'll just slowly slow little bit. there slow it down a little bit. there we let's have a look. we go. let's have a look. doesn't her. hardly doesn't touch her. hardly touched. he touched. i don't think he touches yeah. viewers touches her. yeah. the viewers are getting restless now . they are getting restless now. they want her. they to want to touch her. they want to fake ed balls did ed fake news. did ed balls did ed balls kick susanna reid? i have my decision. which will appear on now. so decision. on the monitor now. so decision. decision on possible rubbish. absolute there we go. absolute possible. it's gone to var. it's been overturned. sorry susanna. thatis been overturned. sorry susanna. that is a dive. you're getting a yellow card. absolutely ridiculous. >> overreaction. >> overreaction. >> absolute ridiculous. i've got more papers that are being delivered to me as well here, which include the daily telegraph and the daily mirror as well . should we get to those as well. should we get to those now? stuart right. let's go to the telegraph hospital. surgery for king and princess. although they have at least bothered to use different pictures of both of them than every single other newspaper talking about newspaper that's talking about them, nice. we them, which is nice. aha. we also stick telegraph also stick with the telegraph for now. allison pearson meets the exposing truth the whistleblower exposing truth to office can to post office scandal. can i just say i'm a massive fan of

allison pearson ? i know that our allison pearson? i know that our viewers and listeners are she is allison pearson? i know that our viethis and listeners are she is allison pearson? i know that our viethis panelisteners are she is allison pearson? i know that our viethis panel tomorrowe she is allison pearson? i know that our viethis panel tomorrow night is allison pearson? i know that our viethis panel tomorrow night ,; on this panel tomorrow night, and going into much and she will be going into much more revealing more detail and revealing even more detail and revealing even more for you wonderful gb news viewers and listeners . allison viewers and listeners. allison pearson whistleblower pearson meets the whistleblower exposing the of the post exposing the truth of the post office scandal . so that's that. office scandal. so that's that. let's go to the mirror now, shall we? is it the mirror? yeah uh, i'll be there for kate. royal hospital shock wills cancels all engagements as princess has surgery and charles also set for operation . uh, also set for operation. uh, yeah. there we go. let's go to the mail. let's pray that they're both okay. as two royal held bombshells . kate, to spend held bombshells. kate, to spend up to two weeks in hospital , up to two weeks in hospital, where it returned to public life until easter. the king will undergo corrective procedure for an enlarged prostate . um, i've an enlarged prostate. um, i've got the express as well. gosh, it's non—stop tonight, isn't it? um, yeah. again. look, obviously there's a theme on the front of all the papers here, isn't there? about, uh, which there? which is about, uh, which is the royals and is about, um, the royals and their health scares the spin

doctors will be very pleased that the royal story has knocked doctors will be very pleased thatchaos)yal story has knocked doctors will be very pleased thatchaos tonighty has knocked doctors will be very pleased thatchaos tonight absolutely ked off. >> pretty much off the front pages of all the tabloids and down the bottom of the broadsheets. this. i mean, it's literally a i mean, it's very, very, you know, we hope that they're both okay, but, you know, comms of know, from a comms point of view, double royal view, even a double royal operation not have knocked operation might not have knocked it had it off if rishi had lost. >> but did. yeah. >> but he did. yeah. >> but he did. yeah. >> one thing will say is very >> one thing i will say is very important men to their important for men to check their prostate. actually. no, prostate. um it's actually. no, it want to and get check—up? >> well, i think what you're saying should know saying about. should we know about good men. about this? it's in good men. don't talk about health enough. and adam is absolutely right. >> has done men >> i think the king has done men worldwide this will worldwide a service. this will go i so many. go worldwide. i mean, so many. my prostate cancer. my husband has prostate cancer. okay. caught very, okay. but it was caught very, very early. he's had the treatment. had very treatment. he had a very advanced only just available when he had it about 18 months ago. and he now has regular tests absolutely tests and he's absolutely fine. and be and there will never be a problem. but any man, when they get age, if they get to a certain age, if they don't die young, they will die with prostate cancer. so all men then get it. so, then eventually will get it. so, you young chaps don't

you know, young chaps don't think you're immune because you're . the sooner you you're young. the sooner you catch it's 44 young. catch it, it's 44 young. >> well, 44. catch it, it's 44 young. >> yes, ., 44. catch it, it's 44 young. >> yes, it 44. catch it, it's 44 young. >> yes, it is 44. catch it, it's 44 young. >> yes, it is absolutely it is. >> yes, it is absolutely it is. >> young. get yourself checked. you get get yourself you know, get you get yourself checked think about checked has made me think about it to get checked. it and want to get checked. >> we're talking about it. >> well, we're talking about it. >> well, we're talking about it. >> he's done a massive survey. >> you know what? that is interesting, was >> you know what? that is inteinitial|, was >> you know what? that is inteinitial thing. was >> you know what? that is inteinitial thing. i'll was >> you know what? that is inteinitial thing. i'll be was the initial thing. i'll be honest with you, when the thing broke kate, like, broke about kate, that was like, oh, that's true. because oh, wow, that's true. because that that remains be seen that that it remains to be seen exactly happens. that that it remains to be seen exa serious happens. that that it remains to be seen eanerious procedures. >> serious procedures. >> serious procedures. >> sounds quite, >> yeah, that sounds quite, quite . and you quite heavy duty. and you thought, king's thought, oh, the king's got an enlarged prostate. initially thought, oh, the king's got an ethought,yrostate. initially thought, oh, the king's got an ethought, actually, initially thought, oh, the king's got an ethought, actually, iknow.y thought, oh, the king's got an ethought, actually, iknow , i thought, actually, you know, should knowing about this should we be knowing about this is there's be is the king. there's got to be a bit of difference. and you bit of a difference. and you think way that the queen think the way that the queen used with. right used to deal with. i mean, right up she up until the moment that she passed was always passed last year, it was always a fishbone. it was. yeah. yeah it was always a fishbone had been the bone. been stuck in the bone. >> biggest killer. >> it's the biggest killer. >> it's the biggest killer. >> save lives. this >> it's the biggest killer. >> save save lives. this >> it's the biggest killer. >> save lives. .ives. this >> it's the biggest killer. >> save lives. it's;. this >> it's the biggest killer. >> save lives. it's the is could save lives. it's the biggest killer men. could save lives. it's the bigyeah. iller men. could save lives. it's the big yeah. prostate1en. could save lives. it's the bigyeah. prostate cancer. >> yeah. prostate cancer. i think i'm right. yeah, it's the biggest men. i biggest killer of men. so i think you you see think he's. you can. you can see the discussions going on. because it's because obviously when it's something to do with, as it

were, your were, that part of your body, you want you don't particularly want the whole but i think whole world to know. but i think the have the conversation the men have the conversation whispered behind hands. the men have the conversation whiyes.ad behind hands. the men have the conversation whiyes.acmean,d hands. the men have the conversation whiyes.ac mean, one nds. the men have the conversation whiyes.ac mean, one ofs. the men have the conversation whiyes.ac mean, one of the >> yes. i mean, one of the brilliant things over the last few women few decades has been women taking own taking control of their own health. cancer has health. yeah, breast cancer has become big campaigning health. yeah, breast cancer has becon and big campaigning health. yeah, breast cancer has beconand men big campaigning health. yeah, breast cancer has beconand men needampaigning health. yeah, breast cancer has becon and men need to paigning health. yeah, breast cancer has becon and men need to paigtheg issue, and men need to do the same prostate cancer and for same for prostate cancer and for testicular as well. testicular cancer as well. >> yeah, well. well, obviously good all we all >> yeah, well. well, obviously goodthem all we all >> yeah, well. well, obviously goodthem both all we all >> yeah, well. well, obviously goodthem both the all we all >> yeah, well. well, obviously goodthem both the very, we all >> yeah, well. well, obviously goodthem both the very, veryall wish them both the very, very best. the royal family as a whole, they're very, very best. wills be stepping whole, they're very, very best. wilit be stepping whole, they're very, very best. wilit appears be stepping whole, they're very, very best. wilit appears as be stepping whole, they're very, very best. wilit appears as thoughyping whole, they're very, very best. wilit appears as though we're in. it appears as though we're not seeing a huge not going to be seeing a huge amount them, because charles amount of them, because charles is off from is taking some time off from royal as are william and kate. >> i think wills is going, wheels is to stay with her wheels is going to stay with her while in hospital. it's while she's in hospital. it's going and he's going going to be. and then he's going to resume duties when she's, you know, start while know, so he'll start back while she's recuperating. know, so he'll start back while she's reclon rating. know, so he'll start back while she's reclon ating. know, so he'll start back while she's reclon a minute, wills and >> hang on a minute, wills and camilla up to camilla need to step up to the plate do stuff together. plate and do stuff together. there we one i will there we are, one thing i will say watch. say is watch. >> story come out from >> watch a story come out from meghan. meghan will want make meghan. meghan will want to make this her an this about her in an excuse, i think. think we're think. yeah, 100 i think we're going seeing a lot of going to be seeing a lot of princess as by princess anne as well, by the way. >> @ she comes back from >> but when she comes back from time. >> oh, and isn't she fabulous?

>> oh, and isn't she fabulous? >> she is, she is. >> oh, and isn't she fabulous? >> she's;, she is. >> oh, and isn't she fabulous? >> she's in;he is. >> oh, and isn't she fabulous? >> she's in ours. >> oh, and isn't she fabulous? >> she's in our men's style icon. you that? say that icon. did you see that? say that again. whole again. the telegraph ran a whole piece this week saying she's again. the telegraph ran a whole pimen's s week saying she's again. the telegraph ran a whole pimen's styleek saying she's again. the telegraph ran a whole pimen's style icon.'ing she's again. the telegraph ran a whole pimen's style icon. theshe's again. the telegraph ran a whole pimen's style icon. the way; a men's style icon. the way she wore a suit. yeah wore a fendi suit. yeah fantastic. >> why not? never forget fantastic. >> why nc know, never forget fantastic. >> why nc know, when forget fantastic. >> why nc know, when they et fantastic. >> why nc know, when they had when, you know, when they had the old tesco horsemeat scandal. right and she was chair of something british something like the british equestrian something like the british ethhisian something like the british ethhis mass outrage, mass all this mass outrage, mass outrage you you outrage that, you know, you can't believe that we've been killing horses and putting them in zanias. yeah, and uh, in zanias. yeah, yeah. and uh, she gave out some awards thing. it like, why aren't we it was like, why aren't we eating no. no eating more horse? oh, no. no what are you doing anyway? right, okay. moving on now. so anyone uses the avanti west anyone that uses the avanti west coast train regularly will coast train line regularly will be of how unreliable be well aware of how unreliable all that train operator can be. but in a further kick in the teeth to hard working brits, it's emerged that the company mocked taxpayer cash as free money. an internal meeting last week, a presentation used in the meeting boasted that train meeting also boasted that train operators could expect bonuses , operators could expect bonuses, obviously paid for by the taxpayer , even if services fell taxpayer, even if services fell below par . matthew, is it time below par. matthew, is it time we renationalised our broken

railway ? railway? >> absolutely. i mean, look, you and i are from the north—west. we know, we know the avanti misery. well, they got in. misery. well, they they got in. they were shambles about misery. well, they they got in. th months shambles about misery. well, they they got in. th months ago. shambles about misery. well, they they got in. th months ago. shaigovernment 18 months ago. the government gave last chance after gave them one last chance after they poked and guess they poked a bit. and guess what? started cancelling what? they started cancelling trains again. and what's interesting of course, is the half owned by the half of it is owned by the taxpayer. italian taxpayer. but the italian taxpayer, uh, because the italian railway, state railway owns half of it. so it's a shambles and it's used to think, because i used to have to get that line from, uh, that that train line from, uh, wilmslow to london. >> right. and i, um, i used to think that the virgin service was quite unreliable. i've come back richard branson all is absolutely all is forgiven . absolutely all is forgiven. seriously, the avanti west coast line is an absolute shocker. possibly, a symbol. adam possibly, though a symbol. adam of the way that people who work in, uh, some of our railways, etc. do do view, do view the taxpayers free money. >> yeah , i think many on the >> yeah, i think many on the left think taxpayers money is free money. um, i wouldn't want to see it nationalised if i'm honest. i just think there

should be more accountability. maybe you know, more pressure from government for them to provide the service that people are paying for and taxpayers money is going towards, um , but money is going towards, um, but no, i wouldn't like to see it. you wouldn't like to see it in anyone who wants to see the railways nationalised clearly wasn't alive or doesn't remember what the nationalised rail system in the 60s and 70s. >> it was appalling. the problem , as adam says, there needs to be more accountability at the moment. it's a sort of split chicken thing, isn't it? and when got, um, rail track , when we've got, um, rail track, running the track and all these companies , another company companies, another company owning and owning the rolling stock and they lease out, the whole they lease it out, the whole thing muddle. but if you thing is a muddle. but if you want see what happens when want to see what happens when the government are in control of the government are in control of the look at the the railway, just look at the hs2. got fiasco 180 hs2. well, we've got fiasco 180 billion gone up in smoke because politicians are making the decision. >> we've got we've got disaster, we've strikes. a couple we've got more strikes. a couple of time on the on the of weeks time on the on the railways anyway haven't we. but avanti has said that avanti west coast has said that it and it was an isolated incident and did the company's

did not represent the company's views. these slides were an attempt explain to some of attempt to explain to some of our service our colleagues how the service quality works , but the quality regime works, but the language was regrettable . language used was regrettable. >> when will people learn that there's nothing , such there's nothing, no such thing as private film show? i mean, as a private film show? i mean, it's unbelievable . it's unbelievable. >> how stupid can you get the government run a bath at government can't run a bath at the alone a railway. the moment, let alone a railway. >> go to >> so just before we go to our greatest union jackass greatest britain union jackass nominations, i just want to talk about putting foot about putting your best foot forward . these nhs workers are forward. these nhs workers are showing locals in scotland and how to walk in the icy and snowy conditions after their public safety announcements to waddle like penguins as penguin as best. no right? so the nhs in scotland is genuinely as far as i can see, trying to turn us into a nation of idiots. hmm. >> what next? they'll be telling us how to wipe our bum, right? without pulling a muscle. >> we're going to teach children how clean into the new how to clean teeth into the new labour for goodness sake. >> no, % goodness sake, >> no, but for goodness sake, they treating us like

idiots. >> i know i'm going to defend it. >> very. i'm going to defend it. i think it's particularly aimed at okay. who do at older people. okay. who do really and snow really worry about ice and snow and sometimes certainly had many years don't out. years of practice. don't go out. we many of we have had many years of practice, obviously that was practice, but obviously that was when were more when they maybe were more mobile. i mean, think it's mobile. so i mean, i think it's done a silly way. i'm done in a rather silly way. i'm not they're going be not sure they're going to be watching on or watching it on tiktok or wherever it is. uh, but i'm going put to going to put that to music that'll sure it will be that'll be, i'm sure it will be going viral as we speak now. >> it? >> ridiculous, isn't it? absolutely it's absolutely i'm sorry, but it's just, outside. waddle just, uh, icy outside. waddle like a penguin who are you talking to? what kind of cretins do you think we are, anyway? now it's reveal today's it's time to reveal today's greatest union jackass greatest bristling union jackass right christine, i'm going to start with you. your greatest britain >> please. it's katharine birbalsingh. um, she is amazing. she's been in court today. i don't know the outcome because she said that muslim pupils couldn't be, um, couldn't be allowed to have their prayer mats at school because if they did it, then all the other various religions would want it.

and she just said no . and they and she just said no. and they have taken her to court. this individual muslim pupil hasn't been course, right and been named, of course, right and fair enough. a child, fair enough. they're a child, but taken to her court. but they've taken to her court. this woman has just shown just headteacher . headteacher. >> she's dubbed, isn't she? >> she's dubbed, isn't she? >> strictest? headteacher and she has turned that school around. toughest she has turned that school aroun of toughest she has turned that school arounof london toughest she has turned that school arounof london and toughest she has turned that school arounof london and she'sghest she has turned that school arounof london and she's got;t parts of london and she's got a 50% muslim pupils and she is amazing thing. and to try and bnng amazing thing. and to try and bring her down this, bring her down like this, i think of on that think a couple of things on that britain a couple of britain go stuff, a couple of things that. things on that. >> way that it's >> there's no way that it's a pupil who's taken it to court. it's a parent for a start. all right. no, it's no right. no, no. it's true, no it's this is no pupil. it's true. but this is no pupil. exactly. is, but this exactly. it is, it is. but this one makes more sense. >> be a campaign group. >> it would be a campaign group. >> it would be a campaign group. >> yeah. they've bomb >> yeah. they've had bomb threats. they've had the windows >> yeah. they've had bomb threats. teachers|ad the windows >> yeah. they've had bomb threats. teachers|ad th suffered vs bricked. teachers have suffered abuse this. that bricked. teachers have suffered atnot this. that bricked. teachers have suffered atnot normal this. that bricked. teachers have suffered atnot normal behaviour. that bricked. teachers have suffered atnot normal behaviour inhat is not normal behaviour in a western country. but anyway adam mine is suella braverman because she's stuck to her guns . she's stuck to her guns. >> she's voted against tonight. um, i think she should be the leader of the conservative party and should be. she should be our prime minister. all right, go

on. >> matthew. >> matthew. >> and mine is tax justice campaigner . >> and mine is tax justice campaigner. uh, dan needle, who's been done. he's ex tax who's been done. he's an ex tax lawyer who's gone to the other side and he's now great side and he's now done great work pretty work exposing. it's pretty bonng work exposing. it's pretty boring to go through the boring stuff to go through the detail. headlines of the detail. but the headlines of the like of this week are the huge tax the post office is tax bill that the post office is going just going to say, >> i'm just going to say, matthew, what everyone's thinking. that's you in that picture, no . picture, isn't it? oh, no. patrick i'm going to defend my sofa. >> i actually i haven't seen him for years, but i used to know dan in student politics. >> i'm saying, you know, he's a he's a great guy. but seriously, i'm going keep a straight i'm going to keep a straight face he's doing work face here. he's doing great work on on exposing. and he's been on on on exposing. and he's been campaigning against michelle mone all mone this week as well. all right. better looking i'm right. i'm better looking i'm sorry i'm better looking i'm sorry i'm better looking i'm sorry mean him, but i'm sorry i mean i love him, but i'm better looking. >> wouldn't miss it i couldn't miss the opportunity. right. i was britain is. was great as britain is. katharine birbalsingh there we go. katharine. uh, go. well done. katharine. uh, okay. i'm okay. right. union jack i'm sorry, gonna to sorry, guys, we're gonna have to be rapid. okay, well, it's the combination in combination of fujitsu and in particular, who combination of fujitsu and in pétheir ar, who combination of fujitsu and in pétheir ar, guy who combination of fujitsu and in pétheir ar, guy uk.'ho is their head guy in the uk. >> he front of a commons

>> he was in front of a commons committee and was asked, you committee and he was asked, you knew glitches in the knew there were glitches in the honzon knew there were glitches in the horizon system? why did do horizon system? why did you do nothing? pause. nothing? all right. long pause. i don't know. >> yeah, well ridiculous. >> yeah, well it's ridiculous. >> yeah, well it's ridiculous. >> he's i'd like >> you know, he's he's i'd like to but um, mine is rishi to go on but um, mine is rishi sunak uh, for being possibly the weakest prime minister that we've had in decades . we've had in decades. >> all right. and overseeing the collapse party. all collapse of the tory party. all right , i collapse of the tory party. all right, i won't win, but mine's the broadband companies, including three, including vodafone and three, who customers who are landing their customers with in their costs with an increase in their costs of twice inflation. >> okay. all right. um, the winner of our union jack has today is fujitsu. mainly because they have to decide these before we go on air. and i didn't know which way the vote was going to go. there we are. look. thank go. so there we are. look. thank you much. wonderful panel . you very much. wonderful panel. it's roaring show. it's been a rip roaring show. this we've a of this evening. we've got a lot of live stuff. do go back and watch the moment that it broke the exact moment that it broke that bill had passed. that the rwanda bill had passed. there an ongoing there will be an ongoing fallout from headliners will up from this. headliners will be up next with more in—depth next with their more in—depth look of tomorrow's front look at all of tomorrow's front pages and what's the for pages and what's inside the for book well. so there's book you as well. so there's no need go anywhere make book you as well. so there's no needyou go anywhere make book you as well. so there's no needyou go an'it'here make book you as well. so there's no needyou go an'it gb e make book you as well. so there's no needyou go an'it gb news. make book you as well. so there's no needyou go an'it gb news. i'llke

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gb news. >> this is gb news the main news story tonight. the prime minister has survived a tory rebellion as mps voted in favour of the government's flagship rwanda bill. gb news, political editor chris hope, explained what happened tonight in westminster in the end, the tory rebellion over rwanda failed to materialise . materialise. >> just 11 tory mps went through the no lobby. the majority of 44

will please rishi sunak and his chief whip, simon clarke. but the real battle lies ahead. now. this bill will go to the house of lords and that's where peers will pull it apart and mend it and try and weaken the measures in it. let's not forget the bill as drafted, has maybe a 5050 chance people who chance of seeing people who arrive here legally by small boats back rwanda . so boats flown back to rwanda. so what the peers will try and do is make it even, even more ineffective. and that will be a worry for the government going forward. but tonight, the victories number and victories with number 10 and rishi , his authorities rishi sunak, his authorities enhanced in in a year when he could ill afford to have it weakened and critical to the prime minister's pledge to stop illegal migrants, is his stop the boats policy. >> and today, eight small boats were intercepted trying to cross the english channel. around 350 people have now been brought ashore in kent, even as the weather continues to deteriorate . they're the latest arrivals. are the first since the weekend

after five people drowned just off