rishi sunak, his authorities enhanced in in a year when he could ill afford to have it weakened and critical to the prime minister's pledge to stop illegal migrants, is his stop the boats policy. >> and today, eight small boats were intercepted trying to cross the english channel. around 350 people have now been brought ashore in kent, even as the weather continues to deteriorate . they're the latest arrivals. are the first since the weekend after five people drowned just off the french coast on monday . off the french coast on monday. and also the news today, his majesty the king, due to go to hospital for treatment for an enlarged prostate. buckingham palace said the condition is benign and king charles would be admitted next week for a corrective procedure. the monarch's public engagements will be postponed for a short penod will be postponed for a short period of recuperation and then also today , kensington palace also today, kensington palace announced the princess of wales had already undergone abdominal surgery. yesterday's planned

operation was deemed a success and is understood her condition is not cancer related. she's expected to remain in hospital for up to 14 days before continuing her recovery at home. princess catherine isn't expected to return to public dufies expected to return to public duties until after easter , and duties until after easter, and she's apologised for having to postpone her upcoming engagements. welcome now mps will hold a minute's silence in memory of sir tony lloyd tomorrow. the labour party veteran, who's died at the age of 73, the mp for rochdale who served as a politician in across greater manchester for 40 years, had been receiving treatment for leukaemia . his family has paid leukaemia. his family has paid tribute to a life spent serving and making a difference to the lives of those he met. and just lastly, tonight , freezing lastly, tonight, freezing temperatures are set to continue into this weekend. amber and yellow weather warnings for snow andice yellow weather warnings for snow and ice have been issued across scotland , where temperatures scotland, where temperatures tonight could fall as low as minus eight 18 degrees. hundreds

of schools were closed in scotland today and are expected to be closed once again tomorrow. snow and ice warnings also in place across northern england, parts of wales and northern ireland wrap up warm tonight , but northern ireland wrap up warm tonight, but you're with gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker. this is britain's news channel . news channel. >> hello and welcome to headunesis >> hello and welcome to headlines is your first look at thursday's newspapers . i'm thursday's newspapers. i'm andrew doyle and joining me to add their tuppence to the stories are this wonderful morning tv presenting team in the making, cressida wetton and nick dixon. >> i can see that you two together in the morning all brighten and chirpy and sort of a little bit of banter almost, you know , a bit like you're you know, a bit like you're a married couple sort of digging

at each other. >> i disagree, i think we both kind of people get up at kind of people that get up at lunchtime and, and the morning would lunchtime and, and the morning woulcould do it at a.m. lunchtime and, and the morning woulcould do it at am. if >> i could do it at 3 am. if i'm still up. >> yes. could that be the show? i think that's when they up, i think that's when they get up, right? up, but we're right? they get up, but we're still up. right? they get up, but we're stil i up. to work on it. >> i have to work on it. >> right. >> i have to work on it. >> well,. going to move on >> i have to work on it. >> ihave going to move on >> i have to work on it. >> ihave a going to move on >> i have to work on it. >> ihave a lookioing to move on >> i have to work on it. >> ihave a look at|g to move on >> i have to work on it. >> ihave a look at the» move on >> i have to work on it. >> ihave a look at the fronte on and have a look at the front pages before we kick off. >> thursday's times is leading with withers >> thursday's times is leading with we're withers >> thursday's times is leading with we're obviously'ithers to >> thursday's times is leading witcovering obviously'ithers to >> thursday's times is leading witcovering thatously'ithers to >> thursday's times is leading witcovering that in;ly'ithers to >> thursday's times is leading witcovering that in ai'ithers to >> thursday's times is leading witcovering that in a moment. be covering that in a moment. the guardian has sunak rwanda bill survives tory bill survives as tory revolt melts away. for now, the telegraph surgery for telegraph hospital surgery for king princess. the daily king and princess. the daily mail. let's pray that they're both okay. that's also regarding the royal surgery news. the sun has royals rocked by kate op and finally, the daily star also has a kate op. those were your front pages. a kate op. those were your front pages . okay we're a kate op. those were your front pages. okay we're going to kick off with the front cover of the times. cressida, what are they leading with on thursday? >> they leading rwanda. >> they are leading with rwanda. >> they are leading with rwanda. >> away.

>> revolt withers away. >> revolt withers away. >> so the bill has cleared the commons a victory for rishi commons in a victory for rishi sunak. commons in a victory for rishi sunak . yes, one. sunak. yes, he needs one. >> one of many. well, not really one of many. >> so despite 64 conservative mps backing amendments aimed at toughening up the legislation , toughening up the legislation, yes, only 11 voted against the bill. >> right. so? so he feared it was going to be a whole lot worse than this. yeah. well, i mean, it may not have passed. >> well, exactly. >> well, exactly. >> to be honest, i'm surprised. are you surprised didn't are you surprised i didn't think it happen. it was going to happen. >> am surprised. as i >> i am a bit surprised. as i said, it sort of melted away. by the way, i'm just in front of a test that's part of test card here. that's part of my new show is my question. is new show is going like, worry going to be like, don't worry about it. >> draw attention to the >> don't draw attention to the technical problems. nick we're meant no meant to continue as though no one will notice. >> that's you'd want >> i knew that's what you'd want me do, but thought, it's me to do, but i thought, it's not vibe, vibe is doing not my vibe, my vibe is doing what i want. but i will answer the yeah, it has the question. yeah, it has melted withered away as the question. yeah, it has meltimes withered away as the question. yeah, it has meltimes are withered away as the question. yeah, it has meltimes are saying,1ered away as the question. yeah, it has meltimes are saying, quite away as the times are saying, quite suddenly. and jacob rees—mogg was about it, was just on gb talking about it, saying how well he was sort of arguing, was voting arguing, well, no, i was voting for the amendments, but it didn't work. now with

didn't work. so now i go with the government. but the government. but but obviously lee obviously but people like lee anderson, already anderson, you know, he's already resigned. too resigned. i mean did he go too soon? looked rishi was soon? it looked like rishi was in trouble. could face a serious challenge. now maybe he's survived, protest, survived, but it was a protest, wasn't you know, the concern >> i mean, you know, the concern being legislation is being that this legislation is not just not tight enough, it's just going to it's just going to, you know, kicked back, back know, get kicked back, kick back again. it tight again. i mean, is it tight enough? mean, we need enough? i mean, we do need a deterrent, don't we? effectively because. so divided. >> exactly. so i'm divided. i don't know what to make of this because looks like we've because it looks like we've got a it might be useless. a bill, but it might be useless. and international and lots of international lawyers better ideas. and lots of international lawyeah, better ideas. and lots of international lawyeah, yeah. better ideas. and lots of international lawyeah, yeah. whatietter ideas. and lots of international lawyeah, yeah. whatietter i4you. >> yeah, yeah. what would you say, this say, nick? i mean, this deterrent idea kind of deterrent idea is kind of crucial. the idea crucial. you know, the idea that. know why mean, that. you know why i mean, if you look at the french camps that refugees have deal you look at the french camps that of refugees have deal you look at the french camps that of coursees have deal you look at the french camps that of course they're deal you look at the french camps that of course they're goingal you look at the french camps that of course they're going to with, of course they're going to want here when they have want to come here when they have a deal it. a much better deal of it. they're have to, you they're going to have to, you know, so something needs to be done. >> all the evidence seems to be that a deterrent. and that it isn't a deterrent. and then see, as i said, the then when we see, as i said, the other migrants actually then when we see, as i said, the other on migrants actually then when we see, as i said, the other on crossings, actually then when we see, as i said, the other on crossings, and|ally then when we see, as i said, the other on crossings, and that's dying on crossings, and that's not a deterrent. you wonder what will so it's very will deter people. so it's very hard as deterrent. as hard to work as a deterrent. as christopher was saying on christopher hawke was saying on that give it

that gb update, they give it a 50% chance of actually working and that's probably quite generous. so i'm not convinced it's i'm more it's going to work. i'm more concerned the right has concerned that the right has failed get anywhere on this failed to get anywhere on this bill, nation, bill, and that the one nation, the have won yet the wet side, have won yet again. of a worry to again. that's more of a worry to me. is worry me. the whole thing is a worry to it's more of a worry. to me. it's not more of a worry. it's all worry it's all a worry for conservatives. >> not being conservative enough. yeah, that's concern. >> not being conservative enoyeah.(eah,that's concern. >> yeah. >> em- em.- >>yeah. >> yeah. >>move on well going >> yeah. >>move on thursday's going to move to on thursday's sun. uh, are leading with? >> well, they've got royals rocked cop, and i think rocked by cop, and i think rocked by cop, and i think rocked a little strong. rocked is a little strong. maybe, and, maybe, but it is the sun and, um, has gone um, of course catherine has gone for this princess. a great princess. i don't know who to call a kate. catherine but they've gone with. >> kate. so i think. >> yeah, i feel bad. i thought we catherine we were doing catherine now, but the wales anyway the princess of wales anyway has gone this abdominal surgery, the princess of wales anyway has gon

is it a problem to have two. is it unfortunate? course it unfortunate? of course it's unfortunate issues unfortunate to have two issues at time. yeah, but at the same time. yeah, but i think survive. i think the think we'll survive. i think the royals survive. and also, royals will survive. and also, just point, was just as a side point, i was thinking noticed just as a side point, i was thinithe noticed just as a side point, i was thinithe threat noticed just as a side point, i was thinithe threat of noticed that the kind of threat of meghan kind of subsided meghan has kind of subsided a little either. little bit? i think in either. >> dare. was >> don't you dare. kate was never threatened by. >> well, she never >> well, no, she was never threatened. but, you know, she was like she was she was like looked like she was she was like looked like she was she was take we looked like was going to take we looked like a actress going to a d—list actress was going to take whole royal family take down the whole royal family for you sort for a minute. now, you sort of don't hear it either. don't hear about it either. she's her move, or she's planning her next move, or we've threat. we've sort of beaten the threat. it today. maybe >> cressida, you make of >> cressida, what do you make of this? nick makes a good this? i mean, nick makes a good point way it feels odd point in a way that it feels odd to about people's to be talking about people's private surgery with king's private surgery with the king's prostate, etc. i mean, this is the family the thing about the royal family is the royal is that historically, the royal body the body of body has always been the body of the the body politic body has always been the body of the we've the body politic body has always been the body of the we've all1e body politic body has always been the body of the we've all gotody politic body has always been the body of the we've all got an politic body has always been the body of the we've all got an interest in and we've all got an interest in their internal and their internal organs, and i don't should don't think we should have i think a private think this should be a private matter. need matter. i don't i don't need to know stuff. know this stuff. >> no, i mean, not >> well, no, i mean, it's not they're not being detailed are they. they're protecting they. they're sort of protecting her extent. well they. they're sort of protecting her i extent. well they. they're sort of protecting her i know. extent. well they. they're sort of protecting her i know. is(tent. well they. they're sort of protecting her i know. is(tentgoing yeah, i don't know. is she going a bit markle saying a bit meghan markle here saying oh and want my oh leave me alone and want my privacy. like come on, privacy. and it's like come on, you're you're in the royal family um yeah,

family now. but um, yeah, i agree. need know agree. we don't need to know what's to kate. good what's happened to kate. good luck her. charles on the luck to her. charles on the other sort using other hand, he's sort of using this. here, uh, that this. it says here, uh, that it's understood the king was keen to share details his keen to share the details of his diagnosis to encourage other men. a bit of typical men. so it's a bit of typical king activism , isn't it? king charles activism, isn't it? he's trying to lead his subjects to the right thing. he's trying to lead his subjects to yes.e right thing. >> yes. >> yes. >> well, there something in >> well, there is something in that. there was an that. i mean, there was an interesting farage interesting discussion on farage earlier about whether it takes away mystique away the sort of mystique of the royal i'm not sure royal family. i'm not sure there's much mystique after there's much mystique left after prince books and prince harry's many books and statements, but i think the mystique went decades ago. >> absolutely honest, probably. >> can encourage >> but but it can encourage people check these things. people to check these things. although at a certain point, when at a certain age as when you're at a certain age as a everyone's is a man, everyone's prostate is basically in trouble. and it's not mean, they're not oh, yeah, i mean, they're all they knackered very all they get knackered very quickly, want to quickly, although i do want to say thing, public quickly, although i do want to say announcement.1blic quickly, although i do want to say announcement.1b|lot service announcement. a lot of people been saying people have been saying prostrate telly. it's people have been saying prostrannoying telly. it's people have been saying prostrannoying because 's people have been saying prostrannoying because someone's quite annoying because someone's lying front anyone. lying down in front of anyone. yeah, might kind of yeah, it might be kind of bothering me. so it's prostate. let's very clear. let's just get that very clear. well, be prostrate if well, you might be prostrate if it's that's right. okay. we're >> that's right. okay. we're going to the front going to move on to the front cover thursday's garden . ian

cover of thursday's garden. ian and cressida has one okay. and cressida has this one okay. >> got sunak were >> so they've got sunak were under survives tory under bill survives as tory revolt . um, they've revolt melts away. um, they've also iran warned after also got iran warned after attack on pakistan terror cells. >> yeah. so what's happened here? >> well so pakistan are warning iran that's not on iran have have released some rockets . yes have released some rockets. yes i think they've fallen about 30 miles inside. >> well they hit a village in pakistan. yes >> and it says this says that six people have died. thought six people have died. i thought it whether it was only two. so whether that's the last few that's changed in the last few hours, of these people hours, but two of these people that died were children that have died were children and three girls. i three of them were girls. and i think you that think they're telling you that to these weren't to say, look, these weren't terrorists. if they're terrorists. you know, if they're girls, mean girls, presumably they mean they're civilians. they're innocent civilians. >> claimed they're innocent civilians. >> were claimed they're innocent civilians. >> were targeting claimed they're innocent civilians. >> were targeting specific|imed they're innocent civilians. >> were targeting specific inied they were targeting specific in militia group, sunni militia militia group, a sunni militia group, the of justice. yes group, the army of justice. yes >> english translation. right. they sound like. well, they sound like they're fighting for justice. they're not. the problem army of problem is, it's the army of justice. some of these problem is, it's the army of justice. have some of these problem is, it's the army of justice. have been;ome of these problem is, it's the army of justice. have been just of these problem is, it's the army of justice. have been just of prove attacks have been just to prove that israel. you'd be that it can hit israel. you'd be a pretty annoyed to be hit by something to something that's just there to prove israel. but prove they could hit israel. but it does suggest that iran is becoming isolated it does suggest that iran is becclike,] isolated it does suggest that iran is becclike,] it's isolated it does suggest that iran is becclike,] it's fighting;olated

and like, yeah, it's fighting multiple here now, multiple fronts here now, you know , and support hamas. know, and its support for hamas. >> course , is putting >> of course, is putting it in a rightly in a precarious position. have a question position. i have a question about position. i have a question abowhere does leave >> where does that leave british, people who british, pakistani people who might have been pro—palestine ? might have been pro—palestine? does this have impact? does this have an impact? >> i'm sure there are many conflicting loyalties going on here, know. yeah here, you know. yeah >> what was on in the in the piece i read was in the telegraph. they said, um, that pakistan and iran publicly declare friendship, declare a close friendship, but there it's like there is a it's like it's like holly phil towards the end. holly and phil towards the end. yeah. logan paul yeah. it's like the logan paul and his paul. it's like and his jake paul. it's like there's pretty bad in private. some this, know , when some of this, you know, when you're each other up you're blowing each other up privately, not a good a privately, it's not a good not a good is it. good sign is it. >> finally, >> no. no deal. well finally, let's look at the front let's have a look at the front cover of thursday's telegraph. nick >> yeah, well, of course they've got story, but got the king charles story, but they've reeves hints at they've also got reeves hints at tax cuts for top earners to recast labour as party of middle class. >> i thought the labour party was the party the middle >> i thought the labour party was tithatrty the middle >> i thought the labour party was tithatrty tievenddle >> i thought the labour party was tithatrty tieven more, class. that means even more, even ones with even more so the ones with actual now. actual money now. >> wants to cast them as >> so she wants to cast them as the economic growth. the party of economic growth. she's she's she's the new thatcher and she's been she's been in davos talking

at the world economic forum, which, you know gb fans will love. and she to freeze love. and she wants to freeze well she says she shouldn't say she'll do it. but she says freezing thresholds freezing income tax thresholds in rising inflation freezing income tax thresholds in affecting rising inflation freezing income tax thresholds in affecting people. inflation freezing income tax thresholds in affecting people. in1what1 freezing income tax thresholds in aff but of course that's she's annoyed the trade union chiefs who want of course, more redistribution wealth redistribution of wealth socialism. going socialism. she's going to alienate nutters alienate the socialist nutters in . you like in the party or. and you like socialism, don't you? >> i well, depends what you >> i well, it depends what you mean. you know, mean. i think, you know, she's even she will, uh, even saying that she will, uh, you know, mention the highest £0.45 rate. so even the high earners are going to benefit from this. it doesn't sound like a labour policy to me. >> it doesn't, does it? my instinct is to have lower taxes, is she said. is what she said. >> well then join the >> i mean, well then join the tories party, aren't join tories party, aren't you? join the new labour, isn't >> it's quite new labour, isn't it? that's basically what blair was. >> new labour was not left >> new labour was not a left wing any means , you

wing movement by any means, you know. what's know. so this is what's going on. that old thing on. it's always that old thing about being parties on. it's always that old thing ab one. being parties on. it's always that old thing ab one. and being parties on. it's always that old thing abone. and i being parties on. it's always that old thing abone. and i think parties on. it's always that old thing abone. and i think kind es on. it's always that old thing abone. and i think kind of in one. and i think this kind of just it. just says it, doesn't it. >> i hope they get it. >> well, i hope they get it. i hope get and just become hope they get in and just become a party. most a thatcherite party. but most likely worried that likely i'm still worried that they'll lefties. likely i'm still worried that the oh, lefties. likely i'm still worried that the oh, they lefties. likely i'm still worried that the oh, they loads ties. likely i'm still worried that the oh, they loads tie crazy >> oh, they do loads of crazy stuff, when stuff, particularly when it comes kind of comes to gender and that kind of thing. you know, we've got all that to look forward to. nevertheless that is the front pages up a bow . but pages all tied up in a bow. but coming got china coming up, we've got china shrinking, labour blinking and a schools for thinking. schools as a place for thinking. see a

travelling to italy earlier on gb news radio >> here we go. you good? >> here we go. you good? >> welcome back to headliners. my >> welcome back to headliners. my name is andrew doyle. i'm still blessed by the charming company cressida wetton and company of cressida wetton and also nick dixons here. how dare you. let's kick with you. let's kick off with thursday's mirror. cressida. and things bad an african things are so bad an african country to donate some country wants to donate some money to us. >> rwanda president offers to return money as he voices frustration at rishi sunak crisis. it's a crisis now, so i mean, we had a bit of good news. the bills passed. so that's good for rishi. but obviously things

are know, we're still are still you know, we're still at the point where we've given 240 million rwanda. it's 240 million to rwanda. it's a lot, isn't it? it's quite a lot. >> and there's further >> and there's a further 50 million going yeah. so >> they're going to. yeah. so there's these annual payments. um, he's um, and paul kagame, he's offered floundering rishi sunak a way out as he battles to get his rwanda deportation deal off the ground. he says there are limits to long this can drag limits to how long this can drag on think, you on for. and i think, paul, you don't brexit. don't know about brexit. this could go on much, much longer. >> saying you >> fair play. he's saying you can money back if you can have the money back if you don't use if can't go don't use it, if you can't go through i mean, that's through with it. i mean, that's he doesn't have to. >> it says some >> then later it says some of it, all of it. they've got it, not all of it. they've got to take costs but yeah it, not all of it. they've got to takof osts but yeah it, not all of it. they've got to takof it. s but yeah some of it. >> fair on them in >> but it's not fair on them in a way. i mean they're losing patience here, it's patience as he says here, it's the problem, not rwanda's the uk's problem, not rwanda's problem. he's a i problem. he's got a point. i mean, these mean, like this constant, these allegations country allegations that his country isn't taken to isn't safe, he's taken that to heart. the rwandan heart. and the rwandan government this. >> yeah. em- eml- >> yeah. that to be fair, it's the government it is the government saying it is safe. judiciary and other safe. it's a judiciary and other people it's not. that's people saying it's not. that's right. and right. they say it is safe. and he saying it's your he keeps saying it's your problem . i mean, we have given problem. i mean, we have given him 240 million. that kind of makes it your problem a little

bit, doesn't it? when you've taken want. taken the money if you want. >> are messing them >> but we are messing them around is what i'm going. around a bit, is what i'm going. i'm going to stick with team rwanda i'm going to stick with team rw¢we're only messing around >> we're only messing around because you >> we're only messing around becauimplosion you >> we're only messing around becauimplosion and you you >> we're only messing around becauimplosion and you know, know, implosion and you know, but they've it. it's but now they've sorted it. it's all sorted. >> sorted we've all sorted. >> sorted >> they sorted it. we've got the house come. oh yeah. >> they sorted it. we've got the housihaven't come. oh yeah. >> they sorted it. we've got the housihaven't thought1e. oh yeah. >> they sorted it. we've got the housihaven't thought it. oh yeah. >> they sorted it. we've got the housihaven't thought it mighteah. >> they sorted it. we've got the houknockedt thought it mighteah. >> they sorted it. we've got the houknockedt thoua1t it mighteah. >> they sorted it. we've got the houknockedt thoua1t it did hteah. >> they sorted it. we've got the houknockedt thoua1t it did you 1. get knocked back a bit. did you see this little detail as well that keir starmer the tory that keir starmer said the tory party tearing itself apart party was tearing itself apart like hundreds of bald men scrapping broken comb? >> em- w the someone >> that is the joke of someone with thick hair, isn't it? with very thick hair, isn't it? he's thick hair. he's got incredibly thick hair. that's an old phrase. that's all he's think that was originally >> i think that was originally used for the falklands. falklands islands. two people, two bald men fighting over a comb. who said two bald men fighting over a corbut who said two bald men fighting over a corbut one who said two bald men fighting over a corbut one that who said two bald men fighting over a corbut one that cropsvho said two bald men fighting over a corbut one that crops up said it, but it's one that crops up in analogies all the in political analogies all the time. but, you know, kind of time. but, you know, i kind of think saying starmer is think you're saying starmer is not wit. absolutely. not an original wit. absolutely. no. wit. he's no. he's a wildean wit. he's a quite peter quite sophisticated peter ustinov i call ustinov reborn is what i call him . him. >> i like what stephen kinnock called it, the labour shadow. immigration he voiced immigration minister. he voiced his frustration at being in day 643 of the rwanda psychodrama . 643 of the rwanda psychodrama. >> yeah, psychodrama is right. yeah it's a good way of describing it. okay, let's move on now to fascinating news in thursday's times , chinese people

thursday's times, chinese people aren't having enough sex. >> yeah. so the population of china shrinks as birth rate hits historic low. and i happen to have just spoken to an expert on birth rates, which is doctor paul mallen on . my podcast, paul mallen on. my podcast, a current thing. i urge everyone to listen after they've watched hundreds of hours of gb news. good subtle. so good plug. um, subtle. so i'm now andrew, least now an expert, andrew, at least temporarily. people temporarily. so many people thought that over population was the problem that that turned out to there's kind to be wrong. now there's a kind of where elites and of lag where the elites and other yet to catch other people have yet to catch up fact under up with the fact that under population is our problem. >> china, had one >> in china, they had their one child which it child policy, which made it worse, mad. worse, which was mad. >> it exacerbated the problem completely crazy. now the population is falling, deaths are is are up and population is dropping. got a big dropping. so they've got a big problem has this problem and everyone has this problem and everyone has this problem except problem practically, except israel well. but israel are doing quite well. but everyone our everyone has a problem. our birth rates are they birth rates are 1.5. they need to 2.5. careers are nought to be 2.5. careers are nought point eight, japan's 0.33. they're all bad. even india is two point something and they're about to have a problem as well. nick china has 2 billion people. >> so could they not, you >> yes. so could they not, you know, they afford to lose know, can't they afford to lose a it looks that way,

a few? it looks that way, doesn't it, because once it once it goes, does it. it goes, it goes, does it. >> well, yeah. it sounds like a few happen. few things happen. >> lose ability to >> one, you lose ability to manage your own infrastructure. another happens another thing that happens is you get the so—called care home society, to do with society, where it's to do with the dependency ratio. you have too people. it's too many old people. it's a simple saying it, not simple way of saying it, and not enough people in work and japan simple way of saying it, and not erfacing)eople in work and japan simple way of saying it, and not erfacing)eoplproblem: and japan massively. >> the solution? more, more? >> face it. i mean, no one has managed to come up with a solution. problem. solution. that's the problem. hungary nothing's worked. our policies. nothing's worked. our politicians haven't taken it seriously yet. and when you do talk get weird talk about it, people get weird about sounds about it. they think it sounds like they it like eugenics and they think it sounds the big sounds weird. that's the big problem. are northern irish. >> my family are northern irish. there's a lot of people with 10 or way or 11 kids, maybe that's the way to nick immigration. to do it. or nick immigration. >> i can answer those. both >> ian i can answer those. both of those actually, quite boringly, very way. boringly, in a very truth way. number one, while sort of religious religious religious, small religious groups, to have groups, they do tend to have more not enough more children, it's not enough to statistical to make a big statistical statistical difference number two, a short time two, immigration is a short time solution because course they solution because of course they get old as well and require care . and it becomes a kind of ponzi scheme . there's poor mould scheme. and there's a poor mould . and philip pilkington have done on this. if done the stats on this. if we carry at current rate of

carry on at our current rate of decline by 2080, in this country we will have 50 over 50% foreign born people in the uk who literally not even first generation immigrants, they've immigrants who have just come over born because we'll over foreign born because we'll have plugging this have to keep plugging this problem. just doesn't problem. but it just doesn't work as long time solution. okay. >> interesting. >> interesting. >> well sorry, i've just i >> wow. well sorry, i've just i just have some information. >> done the podcast >> i've just done the podcast and expert on that. and the new expert on that. you're you're of information. >> going a book. >> i'm going to release a book. yeah, just copy paul yeah, i just copy paul moreland's hahahahaha. yeah, i just copy paul moreland my hahahahaha. yeah, i just copy paul moreland my haiwas haha. yeah, i just copy paul moreland my haiwas one|. yeah, i just copy paul moreland my haiwas one of >> well, my mother was one of ten, i think my grandparents >> well, my mother was one of ten, wantediink my grandparents >> well, my mother was one of ten, wanted to: my grandparents >> well, my mother was one of ten, wanted to makeirandparents >> well, my mother was one of ten, wanted to makeirandpown ts just wanted to make their own human or something like human pyramid or something like that. know, you just on that. i don't know, you just on your catholic. yeah, it's the that's the catholic. >> so we need to make everybody catholic. >> yeah, we convert >> yeah, we just convert the whole world to catholicism. problem shifts. yeah >> cultural shifts. yeah >> cultural shifts. yeah >> everyone's to feel >> and everyone's going to feel very have issues. very guilty and have issues. >> it's not trendy, is it? >> but it's not trendy, is it? to have kids? people don't want to know, i always to have kids? people don't want to it know, i always to have kids? people don't want to it when know, i always to have kids? people don't want to it when leo know, i always to have kids? people don't want to it when leo and|ow, i always to have kids? people don't want to it when leo and|ow, iare/ays like it when leo and josh are very about wives very positive about their wives and say and children. they always say nice good. i nice things. that's good. i mean, it's probably not going to stop completely. stop the tide completely. just those nice things. >> a it's a good start, >> it's a it's a good start, isn't it? it's a good start.

let's move on to the daily mail now. cressida labour now. cressida will labour say anything into power? anything to get into power? >> reeves reeves >> yes. rachel reeves reeves woos global power elite in davos as labour drops £28 billion green investment pledge with campaign bible raising questions over whether it will ever happen.can over whether it will ever happen. can you explain this to me? >> they're not they're not mentioning this policy deliberately omitting references exactly so that five minutes ago it was the big thing. >> we're going to spend £28 billion on green investment because it's the future and so on and so maybe it is. i on and so on. maybe it is. i don't know. but in their campaign bible, which a weird don't know. but in their campa of bible, which a weird don't know. but in their campa of words, which a weird don't know. but in their campa of words, vdon't a weird don't know. but in their campa of words, vdon't knoweird choice of words, i don't know why they're calling a bible. why they're calling it a bible. >> it suggests ideology, why they're calling it a bible. >> it? suggests ideology, doesn't it? >> does, >> well it does, yes. it's. yeah. um, you're right. >> i wouldn't go with that. >> i wouldn't go with that. >> i'd go with they could have called manifesto, but they >> i'd go with they could have called there anifesto, but they >> i'd go with they could have called there we esto, but they >> i'd go with they could have called there we go.�*, but they >> i'd go with they could have called there we go. so jt they >> i'd go with they could have called there we go. so jt ti24 didn't. there we go. so it's 24 pages long and it doesn't mention the 28 billion. so what does mention the 28 billion. so what doeshame. now >> shame. are they now embarrassed about this? are they. realise maybe they. do they realise that maybe all environmental they. do they realise that maybe all are environmental they. do they realise that maybe all are hitting|mental they. do they realise that maybe all are hitting|me|working policies are hitting the working classes and those classes harder, and those are the people need to the people that they need to woo? is that what's going on? >> well, we mentioned >> well, as we mentioned

earlier, they're interested in money earlier, they're interested in mo that the labour >> that certainly the labour party economic party is talking about economic growth rather spending. so growth rather than spending. so i think that's the answer. >> well, why just renege >> well, why don't just renege on why do they why on the policy. why do they why do have to if you're do you have to if you're embarrassed about a policy that you just you will admit it, why not just not the first not have it in the first place? >> well, because >> yeah, well, because starmer likes to be vague, doesn't he? i mean, that he stands by likes to be vague, doesn't he? i metpolicy, that he stands by likes to be vague, doesn't he? i metpolicy, butthat he stands by likes to be vague, doesn't he? i metpolicy, but with he stands by likes to be vague, doesn't he? i metpolicy, but with numerous by the policy, but with numerous caveats that he added, which is just style. just just classic style. that's just what says, you what he does. but he says, you know, mean in the way know, if you mean in the way i've described, yes, we're i've described, then yes, we're going it's going with the policy, but it's all seems to all nonsense. it seems to me they're drop an they're trying to drop it as an election don't want election issue. they don't want this be attacked this to be able to be attacked because policies aren't this to be able to be attacked becapopular, policies aren't this to be able to be attacked becapopular, pyoues aren't this to be able to be attacked becapopular, pyou say,en't that popular, as you say, especially because they're especially now because they're so realising, so costly. people are realising, do zero? at do we really want net zero? at least the most extreme version of promised? of it we've been promised? so it's an election losing issue, potentially, not potentially, or, you know, not losing damaging . it's losing but damaging. it's damaging. then and then the losing but damaging. it's dama idea then and then the losing but damaging. it's dama idea is then and then the losing but damaging. it's dama idea is labour and then the losing but damaging. it's dama idea is labour alwaysen the losing but damaging. it's dama idea is labour always want; other idea is labour always want to this amount of to spend this huge amount of money. want to probably money. so they want to probably hide well. hide that aspect as well. sometimes out they sometimes i figure out are they dropping the policy or are they just trying get just dropping it, trying to get hired election issue? it's hired as an election issue? it's very unclear. >> billion >> 28 billion strikes me as a lot. know many harrier lot. you know how many harrier jump lot. you know how many harrier jump buy jump jets you could buy for that? i don't probably that? i don't know, probably

two. on two. yeah anyway, let's move on to this uh, in to this story. this is, uh, in the telegraph. cressida where a school is in court for daring to focus on teaching britain's strictest headteacher. >> i was forced to stop muslim prayers after teachers were racially harassed. wow. um. so this is katharine birbalsingh. uh who is known as the uk's strictest headteacher. i think you're a fan , aren't you? you're a fan, aren't you? >> i've been to the school. this is michaela community school. yeah. >> so she's created this fantastic school with discipline and all the kids do really well. but it's actually a state school, so her point is, look, it can be done. um, and so anyway, court anyway, she's been in court today. today, today. i think it's today, uh, because because she's, she's stopped children at school having muslim prayers . they've having muslim prayers. they've never had a prayer room. yeah. she wants to keep out of she wants to keep faith out of the school. sort one the school. that's sort of one of policies. don't of her policies. yes. i don't mean she's telling people not to be to bring be religious, but not to bring their faith to school. in a statement shared on wednesday morning, birbalsingh morning, miss birbalsingh said the body the school's governing body decided prayer rituals decided to stop prayer rituals when some pupils started them against a backdrop of events

including violence, intimidation and appalling racial harassment of our teachers. so it's a bit i'm not exactly clear what's happened. >> and well, in so far as the school said, that you weren't allowed to have prayer room allowed to have a prayer room and muslim and it was saying to muslim pupils pray at pupils you couldn't pray at school day as, school during the school day as, as, uh, as, um, catherine birbalsingh pointed birbalsingh has pointed out, there things there have been other things such jehovah's witness such as jehovah's witness families complaining about macbeth gcse macbeth being on the gcse course, families course, some christian families saying that we shouldn't hold revision things a sunday. revision things on a sunday. what she's saying is this a what she's saying is this is a school education. school which is about education. it's bring your it's not you don't bring your religion here religion to school. you're here to be educated. but when this happened with the muslim pupils, there a couple of bomb there were a couple of what bomb threats and violent threats and this that's what this kind of thing. that's what they've um, they've been dealing with. um, nick, what do you make of all this? >> well, it's really interesting because her idea is to create a culture that unites about something which the something bigger, which is the country . they aside country. but they put aside their it's very their faiths. it's very interesting idea see if that interesting idea to see if that can kind of secular, you can work. a kind of secular, you know, unified school where everyone aside their everyone puts aside their faiths. saying faiths. she's saying multiculturalism work, but multiculturalism can work, but only sacrifices. only with sacrifices. meaning

when school , you when you come to the school, you sacrifice but can sacrifice your faith. but can that idea work? it's enticing to me. kind of an idea about me. it's kind of an idea about a meritocracy, but when you look at meritocracy. at it, we had a meritocracy. but was that it was it really that or was it actually a european interpretation of christianity that was sort of we assumed was meritocracy because we were used to it. so this is facing the test that didn't work, though. >> mean, well, the reason >> i mean, well, the reason well, reason it won't work well, the reason it won't work if it doesn't is because certain religions are less, uh , willing religions are less, uh, willing to drop. >> can be specific about >> can you be specific about which religions you mean? really? i'm noticing really? the article i'm noticing certain less certain religions are less willing to drop their indeed drop their specificity, specificity is obviously obviously obviously the muslims don't want drop the prayer don't want to drop the prayer mat whereas hindus have mat thing, whereas hindus have dropped say, dropped things like you say, christians things . christians have dropped things. so be the test. so that's going to be the test. can can she stand up can she put up? can she stand up to pressure? she's a very to that pressure? she's a very tough what gather. tough person for what i gather. but to that but can she stand up to that pressure will the school pressure and will the school fail that? fail because of that? >> would say in >> well, i would say in her defence that system defence is that her system works. quite clearly it works. i mean, there, i saw mean, when i was there, i saw the discipline is the level of discipline is incredible. don't talk incredible. the kids don't talk incredible. the kids don't talk in the corridors, which

completely eliminates the bullying element. uh, in class, they're all attentive. there's you forget you know, if you forget your pen, detention. so pen, you get a detention. so they are all really on it. and they are all really on it. and the results are incredible. they all well . this is all do incredibly well. this is one of the top performing schools country. schools in the country. it has working kids , inner city working class kids, inner city kids otherwise wouldn't have kids who otherwise wouldn't have a i think that's clearly a chance. i think that's clearly a chance. i think that's clearly a fantastic model that should be obviously emulated by schools across the country. >> yeah, but but but it's running into this the limit, the problem where you face, you know, can it survive the nature of multiculturalism and is it really multiculturalism, andrew, to that everyone needs to to say that everyone needs to drop face to join drop their face to join together? that integration together? isn't that integration and assimilation? well, mean, and assimilation? well, i mean, if at this as if you look at this as a microcosm of the country, that's kind interesting kind of interesting because that's what people we thought you give up your you come in and you give up your thing our thing, which thing to join our thing, which is of britain, but people is sort of britain, but people don't want to that anymore . don't want to do that anymore. so multiculturalism. don't want to do that anymore. so maybe multiculturalism. don't want to do that anymore. so maybe multicultpush.n. don't want to do that anymore. so maybe multicultpush. and >> maybe we need to push. and also, i can just also, cressida, if i can just say , um, the only say secularist, um, is the only real defence of religious freedom, ultimately. >> it's >> absolutely. yeah. and it's as as schools become more as the schools become more successful, they make the point in from

in here that more people from the muslim background have joined it. that's perfectly joined it. so that's perfectly fits yeah fits your analogy. yeah >> um, and what's interesting about this school is the kids really, really love it. it's like kids crave discipline. they actually want this. and they do well. you talk to them, well. and when you talk to them, they feeling they clearly are feeling privileged that they're at this school and going do so well. school and going to do so well. you know? so it's a no brainer for anyway. we're for me anyway. we're at the halfway around halfway point. do stick around though, and though, for pope porn and actually, all i need to actually, that's all i need to say, isn't it? surely you're going for see

pieces and she added a lot of anger inside at the moment. but. welcome back to headliners. >> your first look at thursday's newspapers . let's get straight newspapers. let's get straight back into the guardian now. uh, the pope is talking dirty. yes >> sexual pleasure is a gift from god , but a avoid porn . pope from god, but a avoid porn. pope francis advises pretty solid advice, isn't it? and, um , there advice, isn't it? and, um, there was some controversy over a book by victor manuel fernandez, an argentinian cardinal close to

francis and in his youth , he put francis and in his youth, he put out this book that was fairly racy and edgy. >> but he's now the head of doctrine. but, you know, when he wrote that book, he probably wasn't thinking, i'm going to be heading wasn't thinking, i'm going to be hewaslg wasn't thinking, i'm going to be hewas only fans, women, and you it was only fans, women, and you think, might be a mum think, god, you might be a mum one at parents. we all made one day at parents. we all made videos were that videos when we were young that we money. videos when we were young that we know money. videos when we were young that we know , money. videos when we were young that we know , hopefully �*noney. videos when we were young that we know , hopefully they y. and you know, hopefully they won't but the won't resurface. yeah, but the point is, all do things when point is, we all do things when we're you know, it we're younger, you know, it shouldn't impact the shouldn't have an impact on the rest don't think rest of your life. i don't think that's personally. well ho. 110. >> i'io. no. >> he can, uh, he regret >> and he can, uh, he can regret it, he? he's allowed to it, can't he? he's allowed to regret it, can't he? he's allowed to reg it doesn't like it was >> it doesn't sound like it was particularly bad anyway , it particularly bad anyway, it wasn't are just books wasn't like these are just books that acknowledge the reality of . that acknowledge the reality of. human sexuality, which is not something, by the way, that the catholic sought something, by the way, that the ca deny. sought something, by the way, that the ca deny. i sought something, by the way, that the ca deny. i think sought something, by the way, that the ca deny. i think what sought something, by the way, that the ca deny. i think what the sought something, by the way, that the ca deny. i think what the popeil to deny. i think what the pope is pornography is is saying is that pornography is bad it leans then away bad because it leans then away from pleasure , which from just sexual pleasure, which is a gift from god into lust, lasciviousness, cupidity . lasciviousness, cupidity. >> you sound like a priest right now. do i? yeah, you could do that. >> i'm going for the only thing. >> i'm going for the only thing. >> and then you for money at >> and then you ask for money at the the only thing the end. the only thing that just that suit

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>> that's a sort of lefty guardian view. >> what >> i mean, that's what the studies do. come as studies do. do come out as saying. so the idea that watching pornography creates, uh, behaviour uh, more degraded behaviour doesn't seem be borne out by. doesn't seem to be borne out by. >> right, because it makes people soporific and they people just soporific and they just in the house and just stay in the house and don't do whereas could do anything, whereas they could be out doing bad stuff. >> that or it could >> it could be that or it could be as it's substitute be seen as it's a substitute for. >> yeah, mm- mm— % okay. they should >> yeah, yeah. okay. they should just block just maybe should just block wi—fi around the vatican and surrounding wi—fi around the vatican and surii unding wi—fi around the vatican and surii thinkg blow up the >> i think we should blow up the internet. think we didn't >> i think we should blow up the interrthe think we didn't >> i think we should blow up the interrthe internet, we didn't >> i think we should blow up the interrthe internet, the didn't >> i think we should blow up the interrthe internet, the world have the internet, the world would be a better place. i've absolutely would be a better place. i've absyeah.y get of the >> yeah. you just get rid of the whole thing. >> i would get rid the whole >> i would get rid of the whole thing. back to you know, >> i would get rid of the whole thing. on back to you know, >> i would get rid of the whole thing. on slate :k to you know, >> i would get rid of the whole thing. on slate and you know, writing on slate and communicating with gestures, writing on slate and comikind:ating with gestures, writing on slate and comikind:at thing.:h gestures, writing on slate and comikind:at thing. yeah,tures, that kind of thing. yeah, i think it's right. anyway, let's move on. i'm a luddite and i'm proud i'm going to go on proud of it. i'm going to go on to thursday's telegraph for that. you okay? shocked. that. are you okay? shocked. >> anti—internet. that. are you okay? shocked. >> you're anti—internet. that. are you okay? shocked. >> you're anti—carryiet. that. are you okay? shocked. >> you're anti—carry on. >> you're fine. carry on. >>— >> you're fine. carry on. >> oh, i didn't mean shock you with >> oh, i didn't mean shock you witido i love the voices gone lucky? >>i lucky? >> i don't have to speak. >> i don't have to speak. >> well, what say, >> well, what i will say, cressida, the cressida, is with with the advent luddites are advent of ai, the luddites are going to proved to be right . going to be proved to be right. yes. you know, smashing up the machines go. and machines was the way to go. and i'm start tonight by

i'm going to start tonight by smashing phone . i think smashing up my phone. i think that's on air. it's going that's live on air. it's going to really dramatic. right. to be really dramatic. right. look, this story the look, this story now in the telegraph, cressida, if you've overcome your coughing fit. are you so. let's you okay? i think so. let's give it yep. >> yep. >> em- gan- e on. john. the >> let's crack on. john. the mental accountants. what's going on? accountants. >> ralph horses. to >> race. ralph horses. pwc to let students apply for scholarships. >> what? pwc >> what? pwc >> i think it's pricewaterhousecoopers , isn't pricewaterhousecoopers, isn't it? yeah. one of the big four. oh, wow . um, they employ 46,000 oh, wow. um, they employ 46,000 people. they're a big deal. yeah, because the universities have stopped doing this. no white people can they're white people can apply. they're following suit. so i think your book, the new puritans , which is book, the new puritans, which is all sort of all about this sort of thing you've hopefully all about this sort of thing you've it hopefully all about this sort of thing you've it will hopefully all about this sort of thing you've it will erelli'srlly all about this sort of thing you've it will erelli's out one day it will be erelli's out my book. maybe it will maybe the culture wars are ending and we're to need a job. >> i hope the culture wars are ending. did mean that when ending. and i did mean that when i book. i don't ending. and i did mean that when i it book. i don't ending. and i did mean that when i it to book. i don't ending. and i did mean that when i it to be book. i don't ending. and i did mean that when i it to be relevant. i don't ending. and i did mean that when i it to be relevant in don't ending. and i did mean that when i it to be relevant in ten 't want it to be relevant in ten years time, because i'm sick of the it. but, you the whole lot of it. but, you know, the about know, nick, the thing about this happened america happened in america, america is very clear laws about this, actually discrimination very clear laws about this, actuallegal, discrimination very clear laws about this, actuallegal, but scrimination very clear laws about this, actuallegal, but companiesn very clear laws about this, actuallegal, but companies have very clear laws about this, actua doing, but companies have very clear laws about this, actua doing iliul companies have very clear laws about this, actua doing it nowimpanies have very clear laws about this, actua doing it now for»anies have very clear laws about this, actua doing it now for soies have very clear laws about this, actua doing it now for so long, ve been doing it now for so long, they're just used to it. >> yeah. firstly, goal

>> yeah. well, firstly, my goal is also that your book become irrelevant. um, but irrelevant. yeah. um, but secondly, that's just envy. yeah, envy. i would yeah, that's pure envy. i would hope could this , you know, hope this could this, you know, this is the kind of thing i like. getting rid this is the kind of thing i likdiversity getting rid this is the kind of thing i likdiversity nonsense.tting rid this is the kind of thing i likdiversity nonsense. ttingthen of diversity nonsense. but then i internet, which i checked on the internet, which you to destroy. yeah and you want to destroy. yeah and it's actually quite subtle. they before thing before they had this thing saying , um, to be eligible for saying, um, to be eligible for this, students must self—identify a member of . self—identify as a member of. and then they just list millions of races aren't but of races that aren't white. but now they are now it says that they are welcomed. they say something slightly different. they say student students have demonstrated commitment to demonstrated a commitment to diversity, and inclusion diversity, equity and inclusion will be preferred. and as part of the firm's commitment to equal employment opportunity, we further encourage students who identify as massive list of non—white so it's just non—white races. so it's just a very subtle read. they're still very subtle read. they're still very much the evil die very much backing the evil die agenda, because elsewhere they try to protect themselves legally. >> it looks dei is dying, >> it looks like dei is dying, you across the board, what >> it looks like dei is dying, you the across the board, what >> it looks like dei is dying, you the whole;s the board, what >> it looks like dei is dying, you the whole claudine|rd, what with the whole claudine gay scandal. interesting. with the whole claudine gay s mean, interesting. with the whole claudine gay smean, helen interesting. with the whole claudine gay smean, helen pluckroseting. i mean, helen pluckrose has spoken this , the way in spoken about this, the way in which, you know, the which, you know, she's the author of cynical theories, which james which she wrote with james lindsay, talks lindsay, and she talks about this that no this idea that actually no one

who have to who is employed should have to sign statement. you know, sign a dei statement. you know, that's religious that's like signing a religious document. saying, document. that's like saying, you these the tenets you know, these are the tenets that these that i support, these, these these of and that these tenets of faith. and that should off the table, as she should be off the table, as she said. should be shouldn't it? >> absolutely. mean, think >> absolutely. i mean, i think she said you wouldn't expect somebody up to any other somebody to sign up to any other religion. job. >> before taking a job. >> before taking a job. >> would be unless >> it would just be mad unless you a priest or you were going to be a priest or something. exactly exactly. >> yeah, think exactly. >> yeah, a exactly. >> yeah, i think i think a lot of said this and of companies i've said this and institutions public institutions are behind public opinion on this. everyone's sick institutions are behind public opit,)n on this. everyone's sick institutions are behind public opit, butn this. everyone's sick institutions are behind public opit, but they'reeveryone's sick institutions are behind public opit, but they're stillone's sick institutions are behind public opit, but they're still doing sick of it, but they're still doing it. amendment it. and their amendment read like legal like a kind of petulant legal protection, nothing more. protection, but nothing more. but the stuff but yeah, hopefully the stuff will all end at some point. >> fingers crossed. daily mail next, let's head to our menstruation expert for this one. >> nick. yeah i mean, thanks for coming to me on this impact of problem periods at work will be probed under ambitious plan to overhaul health care. overhaul women's health care. health secretary victoria atkins vows . so i've been trying to vows. so i've been trying to figure out what the actual vow is, but there's going to be a 1550 million risk research fund to give, uh, research better maternity outcomes. that didn't seem like there was an awful lot

in it seems like more like a goal the moment. goal at the moment. >> acknowledging that, you >> just acknowledging that, you know, painful and know, periods are painful and that , you know, know, periods are painful and that, you know, women need to be finally that, you know, women need to be finenobody knew that women had >> nobody knew that women had special i mean , special health problems. i mean, i love phrase gender gap in i love this phrase gender gap in health. what are they going to do? sue god nature? i mean, do? sue god and nature? i mean, could work. unfortunately, he's got lawyers . we're got good lawyers. we're different. funny because different. it's so funny because we're these we're used to hearing these stories people , trans stories about people, trans people up in people beating women up in boxing rings, and that's all fine. and nobody will acknowledge differences in acknowledge the differences in bodies all about bodies. and this is all about acknowledging difference in acknowledging the difference in bodies, acknowledging the difference in bocso, acknowledging the difference in bocso apparently biological sex >> so apparently biological sex matters >> so apparently biological sex ma'well, apparently does . >> well, apparently it does. >> well, apparently it does. >> know, when you're >> and you know, when you're complaining yes well, well, complaining. yes well, well, i mean , it doesn't get around the mean, it doesn't get around the fact that if you've got i mean, i know they're talking about some quite specific problems here, if you've got , here, but if you've just got, um, you um, a painful stomach, you you're very unlikely to want to tell the office. >> i mean, that's the real problem with women's health is. well, well . well, it's that as well. >> that, you know, it's >> i get that, you know, it's not it's you're ashamed of not that. it's you're ashamed of being female, a private

being female, but it's a private matter, right? right. exactly. that seems princess kate will. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> will say acknowledge one thing as well. the person who came up with the invented the sanitary towel was a man, right? who? certainly the indian guy that. who? certainly the indian guy that . right. who? certainly the indian guy that. right. men it's that. right. so men have. it's so nice , man. so nice, man. >> so what's your takeaway from this? nice. this? men are men are nice. >> amazing. >> men are amazing. that there isn't great. fund. it isn't a problem. great. fund. it brilliant. want access to brilliant. we all want access to good care. um, but i just good health care. um, but i just thought gender gap in health was hilarious , right? thought gender gap in health was hilethere, right? thought gender gap in health was hilethere, riggo. so the telegraph >> there we go. so the telegraph next. the science museum . they next. the science museum. they might need to change their name. cressida >> might. transgender >> they might. transgender row at science museum over claims reworked exhibit is even more insidious . reworked exhibit is even more insidious. so there was this. i haven't been able to find any pictures of this. it just looks like glass wall. and like a sort of glass wall. and it looks very modern. so it's not a sculpture or anything like that. uh, so a sort of that. uh, so it's a sort of cabinet that previously featured a and chest binding a fake penis and chest binding equipment , a fake penis and chest binding equipment, and, um, it was taken down, but . so i equipment, and, um, it was taken down, but. so i think equipment, and, um, it was taken down, but . so i think what's down, but. so i think what's happenedis down, but. so i think what's happened is they've taken away this, sort very , uh, this, uh, sort of very, uh, gender ideological stuff, but

they've , they've put back they've, they've put back phrases . yeah. phrases. yeah. >> i think it was the language as well of this kind thing. as well of this kind of thing. it was kind of intimating it was it was kind of intimating that anyone could change sex, choose a boy, choose to choose to be a boy, choose to be a course, the a girl and of course, the inclusion chest is very inclusion of chest spine is very controversial. of young controversial. a lot of young people controversial. a lot of young peoplwere certain gender there were certain gender ideology . ideological groups ideology. ideological groups have sending them to have been sending them to children without their parents consent can cause consent. at these can cause major damaging and all kinds major rib damaging and all kinds of so it was definitely of damage. so it was definitely not being scientific , you know, not being scientific, you know, the sort of denial of biological sex really doesn't a place sex really doesn't have a place in museum . no. in a science museum. no. >> you know, >> it's absolutely, you know, that's what's on that's what's going on here. >> you're that the >> but you're saying that the changes they've made don't really difference i >> -- >> well, -_ >> well, no, not by the by the sound of it. now, uh, it's so sound of it. so now, uh, it's so it's talking about, uh, gender. it says some people's gender doesn't match the sex they're born into . it that they may born into. it adds that they may make to live their life make changes to live their life in way better aligns to in a way that better aligns to their identity. this is sometimes called transition, which soft way of which is a very soft way of talking about some pretty major. >> well, it presupposes the existence of gender and the existence of gender and the

existence identity , existence of gender identity, which is presupposing the which is like presupposing the existence soul. some people existence of a soul. some people aren't just aren't going aren't just just aren't going to believe is the believe that. and this is the other thing, nick. i mean, it talks the display, talks talks about the display, talks about person who feels about a person who feels relieved that they can live outside binary. outside the gender binary. now, i that's fine, because i think that's fine, because this is a public debate. this is something that's going on. it's not we should pretend not that we should pretend it isn't these isn't going on. these discussions aren't going on. but why display also why couldn't this display also feature testimony from a de transitioner, who has had their body and body mutilated and now completely regrets this entire discourse? why not do that would change the little bit, change the vibe a little bit, wouldn't it? would. well, it wouldn't it? it would. well, it might be more equal. >> would more >> yeah, it would be more informative and accurate. but they've museum they've worked with the museum of trans ology. what's that ? of trans ology. what's that? >> have you not been. it's brilliant. i think we can. amazing i love it. >> to check out the >> i'm going to check out the mikayla i'm to mikayla school that i'm going to museum of trans ology just to get the spectrum. get the full spectrum. >> great podcast episode. yeah. >> great podcast episode. yeah. >> that would be an >> and that would be an interesting one. okay. we're going move on to the going to move on to the telegraph. nick are people going to google this story? to be able to google this story? >> google search >> no, because google search results worse, results are getting worse, say academics know academics and they know everything. engines, everything. so search engines,

including , .gov google are including bing, .gov google are being overrun by spammers and it's a cat and mouse game. andrew i know it is. they're using search engine optimisation to put up rubbish stuff to , you to put up rubbish stuff to, you know, scam and make you know what the solution is. nick, blow up internet, blow up the up the internet, blow up the internet and read book. internet and read a book. >> that? libraries. >> how about that? libraries. you them? yes bloody >> how about that? libraries. you weren't them? yes bloody >> how about that? libraries. you weren't they? ? yes bloody good, weren't they? >> back to the 90s. >> let's go back to the 90s. >> let's go back to the 90s. >> well i'll get back in further. >> we had we had internet then he wants the 1890s. >> we had we had internet then he iants the 1890s. >> we had we had internet then he i want:he 1890s. >> we had we had internet then he i want the, 390s. >> we had we had internet then he i want the, i)0s. >> we had we had internet then he i want the, i want the >> i want the, i want the edwardian era. that's what i want. edwardian era. that's what i waryeah. fabulous >> yeah. fabulous outfit. >> yeah. fabulous outfit. >> mean i hate to >> but andrew i mean i hate to make but make a big thing of it, but weren't some attitudes weren't some of the attitudes back ideal for people back then not ideal for people of my ilk? i don't say certain lifestyle choices. >> i think i know exactly what you're getting at there, nick. there were some bad oh, look, don't i wouldn't don't get me wrong, i wouldn't want poor person in the want to be a poor person in the edwardian to an edwardian era. i'd want to be an aristo. yes edwardian era. i'd want to be an arisyeah,s like me. i want >> yeah, it's like me. i want the back. but i don't the empire back. but i don't want to be sweeping chimneys. >> and you >> well, quite exactly. and you would think you'd would be, because i think you'd be that. yeah, would be, because i think you'd be you're that. yeah, would be, because i think you'd be you're very that. yeah, would be, because i think you'd be you're very nimble.ah, well, you're very nimble. >> northern, >> i'm northern, so i'd be northern nimble. i'd be in a factory or a chimney. yeah. i

wouldn't be like just a king. >> but you'd have more pride in your yes that's what think. >> i'd have very think. >> i'd have a very short but happy wouldn't you? >> just helping the empire for 12 years. >> just helping the empire for 12 very years. >> just helping the empire for 12 veryyears. short >> just helping the empire for 12 very years. short life. >> just helping the empire for 12 bring'ears. short life. >> just helping the empire for 12 bring'ears. �*days life. >> just helping the empire for 12 bring'ears. �*days back >> bring those days back worthwhile. so google doesn't work. the upshot of that work. that's the upshot of that story final story. now look, the final section will be coming up in a moment. it's going include section will be coming up in a mome tales,. going include section will be coming up in a mome tales, spoilt include section will be coming up in a mome tales, spoilt kids1clude section will be coming up in a mome tales, spoilt kids andie dodgy tales, spoilt kids and a vegan alert. so don't go anywhere

welcome back to headliners your first look at thursday's newspapers . we're going to kick newspapers. we're going to kick off this section with thursday's mail cressida dogs. off this section with thursday's mail cressida dogs . we all like mail cressida dogs. we all like a nice dog story. don't we? >> we do. um, although i don't know about this one. dogs were bred wag tails because bred to wag their tails because humans the rhythm of the humans enjoy the rhythm of the movement. humans enjoy the rhythm of the m0'oh,ent. ruin it. >> oh, don't ruin it. >> oh, don't ruin it. >> dogs have been faking it the whole time and we thought they were enthusiastic. so scientists they've never studied before. why dogs wag their so much why dogs wag their tails so much they tails than they wag their tails more than

other . fox's stuff like other canines. fox's stuff like that. wolves. so now the science ists are looking at the real reason, and they think that it might be that we picked the wackier ones because we like the moving tails. wackier ones because we like the moving tails . possibly. but also moving tails. possibly. but also it could because the it could be because the friendlier ones do more tail wagging. >> that theory. >> well, i like that theory. i mean, this article says the mean, this this article says the other is that are other theory is that dogs are just nicer. i mean, that's fair enough. be wolves. just nicer. i mean, that's fair enough will be wolves. just nicer. i mean, that's fair enough will eat be wolves. just nicer. i mean, that's fair enough will eat your be wolves. just nicer. i mean, that's fair enough will eat your face wolves. just nicer. i mean, that's fair enough will eat your face off. res. wolves will eat your face off. exactly and nicer. exactly and dogs are nicer. >> go for nicer dogs and >> so we go for nicer dogs and we've bred them be nicer. and we've bred them to be nicer. and of it makes sense, of course, it makes sense, doesn't how doesn't it? because that's how you chihuahuas and doesn't it? because that's how you tzus chihuahuas and doesn't it? because that's how you tzus althihuahuas and doesn't it? because that's how you tzus all these huas and doesn't it? because that's how you tzus all these huastoyi shih tzus and all these tiny toy dogs that are nothing like a wolf and just going too far, isn't it? >> those dogs. dogs >> those dogs. those dogs are touch depher. i don't like this. it looks like sort of our it looks like it's sort of our own where according own narcissism where according to which i don't to this study, which i don't necessarily believe, just necessarily believe, it's just saying because saying that we like it because we've it we've in the past selected it unconsciously. so we're just sort it's like just sort of it's kind of like just doing tricks for us we've doing tricks for us that we've decided . yeah, i don't like decided. yeah, i don't like that. no. >> well, i don't think it's fair. dogs happy . like, fair. the dogs are happy. like, it's not a lie that the dogs are wagging their tails give the

wagging their tails to give the impression happy. impression that they're happy. this that this is just saying that they have evolved that because have evolved that way because we have unconsciously chosen the wagging have unconsciously chosen the wagyou; have unconsciously chosen the wagyou also hear that they >> you also hear that they deliberately cute and deliberately look cute and things . deliberately look cute and things. remember we've things. remember that we've done stories past, stories like that in the past, aren't they aren't we? like they deliberately look cute to manipulate humans. not. manipulate humans. they're not. >> machiavellian. >> they're not machiavellian. they're cat they're not bright enough. a cat , believe because they , i could believe because they are basically evil. but dogs ? are basically evil. but dogs? dogs are just sweet. >> yeah, i don't feel manipulated. or if i am, then it's fine. yeah, i'm very happy to by a knife. to be manipulated by a knife. have dog? not currently. >> you can't have one the >> you can't have one on the boat, suppose. although boat, i suppose. although they love don't love a bit of a swim, don't they? stop boat? they? stop a boat? >> it's hours i work, >> it's the hours i work, andrew. yes, yes. um. andrew. oh, is it? yes, yes. um. but have previous. i did have but i have previous. i did have a boat. a dog on my boat. >> why didn't bring the dog >> why didn't you bring the dog to than to work? i would be more than happy. >> excellent. i've been waiting for that's great >> excellent. i've been waiting for let's that's great >> excellent. i've been waiting for let's all that's great >> excellent. i've been waiting for let's all tthat. great >> excellent. i've been waiting for i'mzt's all tthat. great >> excellent. i've been waiting for i'm up all tthat. great >> excellent. i've been waiting for i'm up for tthat. great >> excellent. i've been waiting for i'm up for tthat. right.t >> i'm up for that. all right. we're going the garden next. we're going to the garden next. and, can learn stuff and, uh, kids can learn stuff using something paper. using something called paper. now, going to catch now, that's not going to catch on, is it? >> well, i thought you would like andrew, because like that, andrew, because it's old i like i was like that, andrew, because it's oldi like i was just >> i would like that. i was just being facetious. >> a groundbreaking >> so a groundbreaking study shows on shows kids learn better on papen shows kids learn better on paper, not screened. now, what?

which sort of strange which is a sort of strange challenge, they challenge, but apparently they did study and it was the did this study and it was the columbia university's teachers college, and it was a 59 children aged 10 to 12. and they made them wear hairnets filled with electrodes , which, speaking with electrodes, which, speaking of the victorian era , i'm of the victorian era, i'm surprised still do that. surprised you can still do that. yeah >> well, cressida, what do you make because look, this make of that? because look, this this no brainer. i this seems to me a no brainer. i would thought that would have thought that obviously learn better obviously people learn better when to, uh, paper. when it comes to, uh, to paper. what do think? what do you think? >> wouldn't known what do you think? >> way, wouldn't known what do you think? >> way, would don't known what do you think? >> way,woulddon't thinkown what do you think? >> way, would don't think you which way, but i don't think you make money from paper, make as much money from paper, do you, as ipads. make as much money from paper, do you, as ipads . so get the do you, as ipads. so i get the impression hasn't hasn't impression paper hasn't hasn't got a pa team behind. got such a good pa team behind. >> well, when i was teaching at got such a good pa team behind. >.school, when i was teaching at got such a good pa team behind. >.school, i'hen i was teaching at got such a good pa team behind. >.school, i rememberteaching at got such a good pa team behind. >.school, i remember they ing at got such a good pa team behind. >.school, i remember they theyt a school, i remember they they tried an experiment with one particular tried an experiment with one partheirir tried an experiment with one partheir books away and gave all their books away and gave them all ipads, and i knew this was a disaster. and was going to be a disaster. and i it's with i think partly it's to do with the can occur the distractions that can occur as a result. but i think also there's something having there's something about having a physical book, you think? physical book, don't you think? it's think, i it's don't you think, nick? am i just fashioned? it's don't you think, nick? am i just i fashioned? it's don't you think, nick? am i just i think ashioned? it's don't you think, nick? am i just i think ahioned? it's don't you think, nick? am i just i think a physical book it's don't you think, nick? am i ju a i think a physical book it's don't you think, nick? am i ju a great think a physical book it's don't you think, nick? am i ju a great thing a physical book it's don't you think, nick? am i ju a great thing to physical book it's don't you think, nick? am i ju a great thing to have. al book it's don't you think, nick? am i ju a great thing to have. alhave: is a great thing to have. i have a if it's fiction, a rule that if it's fiction, i have to read the physical book. >> otherwise just can't

>> yes. otherwise you just can't somehow you can't >> yes. otherwise you just can't someithe you can't >> yes. otherwise you just can't someithe aesthetic you can't >> yes. otherwise you just can't someithe aesthetic experience. enjoy the aesthetic experience. yeah. pure information, yeah. if it's pure information, like or something like a biography or something else, then i can listen on audible just up the audible and just crank up the speed like, cram the speed and just like, cram the information like information into my brain, like short yeah, that's an short circuit. yeah, that's an old reference, know it, i get old reference, i know it, i get it yeah . so it a movie, but, um, yeah. so i so that's my rule. fiction has to be on paper. >> i'm surprised you didn't mention lawnmower man. that's one that you normally you normally mention a great film. >> even the film . >> i don't even like the film. it scares haven't read it scares me. i haven't read a well, a book because well, it is a book because it's based story, but based on a short story, but i wouldn't stephen king. wouldn't read stephen king. i hate and he's a weirdo hate horror and he's a weirdo and terrible politics. hate horror and he's a weirdo ancwell, terrible politics. hate horror and he's a weirdo ancwell, there rrible politics. hate horror and he's a weirdo ancwell, there we le politics. hate horror and he's a weirdo ancwell, there we le pyou:s. hate horror and he's a weirdo ancwell, there we le pyou should >> well, there we go. you should be the art from be able to separate the art from the true that's what the artist. true that's what i think anyway. so the telegraph now, and what's this story? now, uh, and what's this story? something childhood , cressida. >> absolutely not. how the super wealthy spoiling their wealthy avoid spoiling their children. so how do they? well, i don't know if you've seen that bit by ricky gervais, but he covers this. >> yes. fans well, it's he uses language we can't use. >> he does. i can't do it for you. and also i think it would be unfair to ricky gervais if i tried to it would re—enact it, but it is true, it that

but it is true, is it not, that if you super rich, your if you are super rich, your children to be, you children are going to be, you know, not not not nice people. they face challenges that, oh, that's a good way to put it. they're deprived of opportunities strive of that. opportunities to strive of that. some of us. yes >> yeah. they're insufferable. let's be honest , because they've let's be honest, because they've had everything on plate. had everything on a plate. >> and feel >> they could be. and i feel desperately sorry for them because i think if you've if because i think if you've had if you've everything to you've had everything given to you, who are you? you, then you never who are you? you don't have you know, you don't have a struggle really struggle that must be really difficult. so what's the solution ? solution? >> em a it that >> i mean, is it that celebrities should their celebrities should keep their children in absolute poverty? celebrities should keep their chiinon in absolute poverty? celebrities should keep their chiino , in absolute poverty? celebrities should keep their chiino , no absolute poverty? celebrities should keep their chiino , no it's)lute poverty? celebrities should keep their chiino , no it's not. poverty? celebrities should keep their chiino , no it's not. ioverty? celebrities should keep their chiino , no it's not. i mean,’ >> no, no it's not. i mean, according to i think truth according to i think the truth is, probably think is, it's probably not. i think ricky gervais has nailed it. there probably any answer. there probably isn't any answer. it's but it's just difficult. but they talk about talk in this article about transparency , so don't the transparency, so don't hide the wealth from the young person. and turn 18, go, and then when they turn 18, go, aha, surprise , you've loads aha, surprise, you've got loads of how do of money. i mean, how you do that anyway. of money. i mean, how you do tha oh |yway. of money. i mean, how you do tha oh is/ay. of money. i mean, how you do tha oh is it, is it gates >> oh is it, is it bill gates who's saying not going to who's saying he's not going to leave to his kids. leave any money to his kids. >> was warren >> no. was it warren buffett he's leaving. >> someone like that. >> it was someone like that. it's he's leaving them it's in here. he's leaving them 10 million what? 10 million each. what? as opposed 10 million each. what? as opposiwell, that's still 10

each? well, that's still 10 million. yeah, it's million. well, yeah, but it's just a flash isn't it? to just a flash house, isn't it? to him, think him, i don't think so. >> disappointing me. >> that's disappointing me. i thought he was going to leave. >> don't >> you always hear that, don't you? ultra you? there's some ultra rich person. i'm going to leave the kids. they but kids. nothing, they think. but then they'll be like, they'll hate be psychos hate you and they'll be psychos anyway. you hate you and they'll be psychos anyw. really you hate you and they'll be psychos anyw. really win. you hate you and they'll be psychos anyw. really win. you you hate you and they'll be psychos anyw. really win. you either| can't really win. you either make kind of decadent sort make them kind of decadent sort of drug addicts them of drug addicts by giving them everything of drug addicts by giving them everythirfor. what would to strive for. so what would you do? you do? to strive for. so what would you do? you you do? to strive for. so what would you do? you give you do? to strive for. so what would you do? you give them you do? to strive for. so what would you do? you give them nothing ou do? to strive for. so what would you do? you give them nothing and o? oh, you give them nothing and then they hate you. um, there's no no. well, no solution. no, no. well, i never this because no solution. no, no. well, i nev never this because no solution. no, no. well, i nev never have this because no solution. no, no. well, i nev never have children. )ecause no solution. no, no. well, i nev never have children. )ewill.e i'll never have children. i will be super wealthy. yeah, be super wealthy. but but yeah, there is no there is no solution. really? solution. is there really? maybe. of moderate. maybe. maybe a sort of moderate. something is something in between is a solution. them work solution. you make them work hard some stuff. solution. you make them work hard well, some stuff. solution. you make them work hard well, look, some stuff. solution. you make them work hard well, look, we've�*ne stuff. solution. you make them work hard well, look, we've got ;tuff. solution. you make them work hard well, look, we've got time okay well, look, we've got time for this story. >> we? uh. >> have we? uh. uh, this is the story about, uh, what's this? vegans. what's name? vegans. what's this name? >> vegan this is >> i can do a vegan one. this is warning animal proteins >> i can do a vegan one. this is warcrucial animal proteins >> i can do a vegan one. this is warcrucial healthyal proteins >> i can do a vegan one. this is warcrucial healthy ageing.ns are crucial for healthy ageing. major of 50,000 major study of 50,000 women shows. it's 48,000 women at shows. so it's 48,000 women at tufts university. check this out. they asked a load of nurses. they did. harvard university's who cares? the point is, it says that proteins. it's kind of weird. it sounds like it's to be a really like it's going to be a really pro but it's like actually

pro meat, but it's like actually talking about proteins. talking about animal proteins. just proteins. turns just general proteins. it turns out, likely to make out, with 6% less likely to make you older or you ill when you're older or somethingwell, moderation. >> okay, well, moderation. >> okay, well, moderation. >> beef . i'm >> okay, well, moderation. >> beef. i'm going >> eat loads of beef. i'm going to it. louis louis louis to do it. louis louis louis i think that's a bad that's not what that's i'm what this says. that's what i'm saying. what this says. that's what i'm saywell, look, the show is >> well, look, the show is nearly uh, have nearly over. uh, let's have another thursday's nearly over. uh, let's have anotipages thursday's nearly over. uh, let's have anotipages before thursday's nearly over. uh, let's have anotipages before we thursday's nearly over. uh, let's have anotipages before we thursdiso; front pages before we leave. so the are leading rwanda the time are leading with rwanda . revolt withers away . it's . revolt withers away. it's a victory for rishi sunak. the guardian has sunak to rwanda. bill survives as tory revolt melts away . using the same melts away. using the same metaphor there, the telegraph hospital surgery for king and princess. the daily mail has the same story there. let's pray they're both okay. the sun has they're both okay. the sun has the same story , and so does the the same story, and so does the daily star . the same story, and so does the daily star. that is the same story, and so does the daily star . that is we've daily star. that is all we've got for . daily star. that is all we've got for. thanks ever so got time for. thanks ever so much to my guests, cressida wetton we're wetton and nick dixon. we're back tomorrow at 11:00 with leo kearse joining nick and myself. and if you're watching at 5 am. right now for the repeat, please do stay tuned because it's time for breakfast. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boiler was sponsors of

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welcome back to jacob rees—mogg. jacob rees—mogg state of the nation. i'm still joined by former labour mp stephen pound. stephen you're reflecting there on rebelling . yeah. it's not on rebelling. yeah. it's not easy is it. and it's hard to do. did you rebel much when you were an mp? >> i remember about or >> i remember about 3 or 4 times, which is probably the reason uh, my career didn't reason i, uh, my career didn't advance massively, but i voted on like trident on things like trident renewal and, you know, the gurkha passports various other passports and various other things. what's things. but look, what's interesting there's interesting is that there's a huge the whips can huge pressure that the whips can put you, it's not sort of put on you, and it's not sort of physical and not physical pressure, and it's not even bribes. it's not going to send fact finding tour send you on a fact finding tour of sort of a global warming in the seychelles something. the seychelles or something. what they actually what they do is they actually say, remember this say, look, you remember this party. wouldn't have party. you wouldn't have got elected you elected by yourself. you got elected. owe party elected. you owe the party a duty and when i voted against the the first the government the first time, the government the first time, the time leaned the whip at the time leaned across the tea room, across my table in the tea room, stubbed his cigarette in my stubbed his cigarette out in my coffee, said, we're coffee, and he said, we're circling the wagons. wow. coffee, and he said, we're circwell,�*|e wagons. wow. coffee, and he said, we're circwell, tonight ns. wow. coffee, and he said, we're circwell, tonight ,s. wow. coffee, and he said, we're circwell, tonight , of now. coffee, and he said, we're circwell, tonight , of course, the >> well, tonight, of course, the big vote, isn't it? in the rwanda bill, third reading whips are now circulating the wagons, aren't ?

aren't they? >> no, they are indeed. >> yeah. no, they are indeed. just what's just don't forget what's happening in happening right now in parliament. what's happening now? are peeling off now? the whips are peeling off individual which you individual people, which you don't peel don't do it en masse. you peel them they doing it them off. and they were doing it between the smoking room and the tea room. then that corridor along you along there, there'll be, you know and they'll know it well. yeah. and they'll be them off into all be peeling them off into all over the place saying, are you sure? >> why now, you know, we can come lords lots of. >> oh, no. what exactly what they're saying. are you sure you're not secret agent for you're not a secret agent for the because the whips office, chris? because that's exactly what be that's exactly what they'll be saying. thing saying. and the ultimate thing is, want give labour is, do you want to give labour boost? you really want keir boost? do you really want keir starmer minister? starmer as prime minister? do you the party you really want the labour party to about that's to be crowing about this? that's what they'll saying. what they'll be saying. >> stephen pound, former what they'll be saying. >> mp, ephen pound, former what they'll be saying. >> mp, thank pound, former what they'll be saying. >> mp, thank you nd, former what they'll be saying. >> mp, thank you for former what they'll be saying. >> mp, thank you for joining labour mp, thank you for joining us rebel occasional us today. rebel occasional rebel on state of the nation. it's been a privilege to present the show for jacob rees—mogg. been a privilege to present the show forjacob rees—mogg. but now go the man of the now time to go to the man of the houn now time to go to the man of the hour, the 9 pm. hunk patrick christus. >> well, thank very much . >> well, thank you very much. you can come back. um, look, we are going to be going straight to you're going to to westminster. you're going to be westminster for be going to westminster for us in few actually, in just a few seconds. actually, we're going to hearing from

we're going to be hearing from mps. going to be hearing mps. we're going to be hearing from be from lords. we're going to be heanng from lords. we're going to be hearing grassroots, the hearing from the grassroots, the conservative party, but importantly be importantly, we're going to be taking live as well. taking this vote live as well. so that keep gb so make sure that you keep it gb news. chopper, i've to so make sure that you keep it gb nevyou. chopper, i've to so make sure that you keep it gb nevyou. okay,�*pper, i've to so make sure that you keep it gb nevyou. okay, how, i've to so make sure that you keep it gb nevyou. okay, how do 'e to so make sure that you keep it gb nevyou. okay, how do you to so make sure that you keep it gb nevyou. okay, how do you think ask you. okay, how do you think this is going to go? and how can conservative seriously conservative mps seriously justify voting for amendments today , today? and then walking today, today? and then walking back in and voting for an unamended bill? >> well, patrick, i'm glad i asked the same question of the host of this program, jacob rees—mogg. and he told me i was getting all my facts in a muddle, but i don't think i'm very muddled about it because it's pretty clear he voted against the government yesterday and government tonight against the government yesterday anthird government tonight against the government yesterday anthird reading, 'ernment tonight against the government yesterday anthird reading, 'ernnit's: tonight against the government yesterday anthird reading, 'ernnit's quite ht at third reading, and it's quite hard for others and people like you and me, maybe to understand what is going on. i think they were to force the were trying to force the government, one government, maybe to accept one of robert of these amendments from robert jenrick, to it writing jenrick, to put it in writing that on monday to gb that commitment on monday to gb news from prime minister that he would these pyjama news from prime minister that he would from these pyjama news from prime minister that he would from the these pyjama news from prime minister that he would from the from pyjama news from prime minister that he would from the from theama news from prime minister that he would from the from the court orders from the from the court in strasbourg if it ruled that way to ban these flights. the idea was then why not