public service are now at risk. why then, are so many of them wasting our money on ridiculous things .7 i have got an things? i have got an eye—watering example right? and i'll give you a clue. it involves spending more than a penny and right. you will love this , i promise you. you will this, i promise you. you will love this story. i think we need to give the police sometimes more credit , but i've got more credit, but i've got a fantastic example of good old fashioned policing . it's fashioned policing. it's fabulous. you will not want to miss this. and you could not even make this next story up right . but the government have right. but the government have lost. yes, you heard me right. lost 6000 thousand asylum seekers who have apparently had their claims rejected. where on earth are these guys ? labour earth are these guys? labour think that their five point plan would fix it all. would it or not? and last but not least , do not? and last but not least, do we really need to know that our king has an enlarged prostate . king has an enlarged prostate. i mean, don't get me wrong, right? i like talking as much as the

next person. but do i really need to know about, you know, the down there bits of our king? really? we'll get into all of that and more. but before we do, let's cross live for tonight's latest news headlines . latest news headlines. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. well, our top story from the gb newsroom tonight. the police watchdog is tonight. the police watchdog is to investigate any missed opportunities prior to the deaths of toddler bronson battersby and his father in lincolnshire . the two year old lincolnshire. the two year old was found dead next to the body of a 60 year old father who'd suffered a fatal heart attack in skegness, gb news, east midlands reporter will hollis has the latest . latest. >> the latest details wales in a disturbing story that has shocked the nation , are that shocked the nation, are that thieves broke into the home of bronson battersby and his father kenny, who had been found dead. they're here in skegness just hours after social services made

the discovery. it's said in the daily mail that that they stole money and pills from the dead family . now money and pills from the dead family. now this is something that has been confirmed that an investigation is underway by lincolnshire police in a story that has not only shocked social services but shocked the nation as well . as well. >> will hollis, reporting, now a 24 year old man, has been arrested in connection with the alleged prison escape of daniel khalife. the 22 year old former british army soldier reportedly escaped from wandsworth prison in south london last september by strapping himself to the underside of a food delivery truck. khalife has been accused of leaking sensitive information to iranian intelligence and he is set to face trial in october. this year. the arrested man has been accused on suspicion of assisting an offender. the main story today, the prime minister is calling on the house of lords to do what he says is the right thing and pass his rwanda bill.

rishi sunak, who says he's determined to control the uk's borders, spoke to officials at gatwick airport this afternoon to highlight the importance , as to highlight the importance, as he said of border security , see he said of border security, see the third reading of the rwanda bill, passed through the commons unamended last night, with a majority of 44. dozens of conservative mps had threatened to rebel, but in the end only 11 voted against it. mr sunak saying peers must now support the legislation as an urgent national priority. there is now only one question will the opposition in the appointed house of lords try and frustrate the will of the people, as expressed by the elected house, or will they get on board and do the right thing? >> it's as simple as that. the right thing? >> it's as simple as that . we >> it's as simple as that. we have a plan and the plan is working. last year was the first year the number of small boat arrivals went down. not just down by a bit, down by a third, compared to crossings in the

year before . year before. >> rishi sunak now the aslef union has announced train drivers will go on strike for five days next month . lner five days next month. lner drivers walking out from february the 5th in their long running dispute over pay. the latest action is in addition to a series of walkouts against train operators across england. previous announced by the union , previous announced by the union, and thousands of jobs are at risk as tata steel has decided to push ahead with its plans to close both blast furnaces at port talbot in south wales. the decision coming despite unions today putting forward proposals aimed at saving jobs, which tata has rejected. the redundancies , has rejected. the redundancies, which are to be completed by march next year. we'll see three quarters of the 4000 staff there on site at risk of losing their jobs. unions will now consult their members on the situation , their members on the situation, with industrial action not being ruled out. shadow immigration minister stephen kinnock said

talks need to solve the situation. >> steelworks is the beating heart of the community and of the economy, not just in port talbot but right across south wales. the rest of wales. indeed, the united kingdom . it's indeed, the united kingdom. it's the lifeblood of so many of the different parts of our life, from the cars that we drive to the buildings that we work in, the buildings that we work in, the trains that we travel on, even the cutlery that we use. i would therefore urge tata steel to sit down and listen very carefully to what the multi—union are saying to them. stephen kinnock and lastly , the stephen kinnock and lastly, the prince of wales has been visiting his wife in hospital, where she's recovering from planned abdominal surgery . planned abdominal surgery. >> prince william was seen leaving the private london clinic this afternoon by car. princess katherine said to be doing well after her procedure on tuesday , but it is expected on tuesday, but it is expected she'll stay in hospital for up to two weeks. meanwhile queen camilla has said the king is

fine and looking forward to getting back to work as he awaits treatment for an enlarged prostate . the 75 year old prostate. the 75 year old monarch said he's keen to go pubuc monarch said he's keen to go public with his condition to encourage other men to get themselves checked out . that's themselves checked out. that's themselves checked out. that's the news on gb news across the uk on tv , in your car, on uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaken digital radio and on your smart speaker. this is britain's news channel. >> thanks for that , polly and >> thanks for that, polly and michelle dewberry. i'm with you till 7:00 tonight. i'm back. i've left westminster now. we are back to our our ground. i like it here. this is where our roots are. i love it to be back. it all began. it's where it all began. alongside me. the voice that you can hear. uh, chap up there. i've got, uh, matthew laza. the former labour adviser. and alongside him, the former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie. good evening to both of you. what do you guys at home make to the goings on in

westminster last night, by the way, was all bit of a damp way, it was all a bit of a damp squib in the end, wasn't it? many people actually, that was going talking, giving all going out, talking, giving all the saying that, the big guns and saying that, you to you know what, we're going to rebel that hardly any rebel this rebel that hardly any of in the what do of them did in the end. what do you make to it all? get in touch with me with all your thoughts on all the stories tonight. you've already started and, um, in you're not very in my inbox. you're not very happy me some of happy with me tonight. some of you. i did at the start of you. all i did at the start of my i just asked a my programme. i just asked a question. to know question. do we need to know about king's private about the king's private downstairs? pieces. downstairs? bits and pieces. it was question, was was just a question, that was all. we're going to debate it before the end of the programme, mike michelle, um, being mike says michelle, um, being aware their 70s aware that a man in their 70s can for prostate can be treated for prostate issues encourage other men issues will encourage other men to treatment to women often to seek treatment to women often talk women's issues, talk about women's issues, so it's suggest that we it's sexist to suggest that we shouldn't talk men's shouldn't talk about men's issues too. i didn't suggest that talk about that we shouldn't talk about men's talk about men's issues. talk to me about your all want. i'm just your bits all you want. i'm just asking, do we need know about asking, do we need to know about the or not? so many the king's bits or not? so many of you got in touch with me about already, so we'll about that one already, so we'll have the end of the

have that before the end of the programme. i also want to talk to you. there's this fantastic footage. um, footage. right. we always, um, very quick to have a go the very quick to have a go at the police. sometimes i've got such good for guys good footage for you guys about an undercover operation which saw justice served. it's absolutely wait absolutely fabulous. can't wait to share that with you. you to share that one with you. you can tweet text me can also tweet me or text me whatever want to it at whatever you want to call it at gb news. for now, you know, gb news. but for now, you know, whilst we've all been talking about westminster and british politics rest of it, politics and all the rest of it, you i am sure, a you will have seen, i am sure, a very, very, very story that very, very, very sad story that has just really brought so many people to tears , quite frankly. people to tears, quite frankly. um, be familiar with um, you'll be familiar with this. it's a two year old little boy , uh, bronson battersby. he boy, uh, bronson battersby. he i mean, i'm just bringing him up on the screen here. he's got his pudsey, uh, little onesie on such a beautiful little boy. um, this story, he was basically found along side his daddy. uh, both of them, very sadly, had passed away. um, now, little bronson , he died of starvation bronson, he died of starvation and dehydration . and i just find and dehydration. and i just find this such a sad story. and when you look at the ins and outs of

this story, the social workers were involved. you've just been heanng were involved. you've just been hearing in the bulletins that the have referred the police have referred themselves. now for investigation about their conduct. the things investigation about their condstruck the things investigation about their condstruck me, the things investigation about their condstruck me, it the things investigation about their condstruck me, it really things investigation about their condstruck me, it really did|gs that struck me, it really did strike matthew, a strike me, matthew, about a community, because you've got this little boy and his daddy, um, they've got a dog. i think it was a boxer dog or something. so that dog will have been barking away, i'm sure, for days and days. people and days and days. these people were undetected . and i just were undetected. and i just think there's a of me that think there's a part of me that thinks, we still a thinks, have we still got a community spirit anymore? a society? we look out for each society? do we look out for each other not? so i'm not sure other or not? so i'm not sure that look out for each other that we look out for each other as as we used to. as much as we used to. >> and i think that is an issue, particularly actually, as more of living our on our of us are living on our on our own. it's not just, uh, you own. so it's not just, uh, you know, this instance, but more know, in this instance, but more and the growth single and more the growth of single person households, the jargon person households, as the jargon calls is, is absolutely calls it, is, is absolutely huge. therefore we're bit huge. and therefore we're a bit more i mean, i think more anatomised. i mean, i think the with the biggest the people with the biggest questions this such questions to ask are this such tragic the police, questions to ask are this such tragic for the police, questions to ask are this such tragic for once,3 police, questions to ask are this such tragic for once, it)olice, questions to ask are this such tragic for once, it seems the because for once, it seems the social workers clearly social workers very clearly followed and they're followed procedure and they're not break in. and

followed procedure and they're not were break in. and followed procedure and they're not were waitingzak in. and followed procedure and they're not were waiting for in. and followed procedure and they're not were waiting for the and followed procedure and they're not were waiting for the police they were waiting for the police to do it. so the police have certainly got questions ask. certainly got questions to ask. but think you're right. but i think you're right. there's society. we've there's a society. we've got much questions ask much bigger questions to ask about after each about how we look after each other, how we relate to each other, how we relate to each other, what do you think? >> what? kelvin, i'm not sure that's right. >> what? kelvin, i'm not sure tha actually, think i think >> actually, i think i think most are out most people, um, are looking out for other i actually for other people. i actually think the phone has been think that the phone has been helpful respect, because helpful in that respect, because you in touch with you can keep in touch with people through, um, particularly whatsapp, um, to find out how things on in this things are going on in this particular though, this particular case, though, this particular case, though, this particular case, though, this particular case, said, particular case, as you said, right. the police have a massive question mark. now, i know you're going to come to a video later in which actually we're very grateful in london and there are many, many examples where the police do a fantastic job and get no publicity and actually don't seek any publicity, strangely which publicity, strangely so, which is question would have if is one question i would have if i but i ran a police force. but actually . so if you're talking actually. so if you're talking about are we a society? thatcher said, we aren't. you know, there is no such thing as society at. and i kind of buy that that. but we are brought together by big

events and the death of that child turns out to be a big event. but how many big events go on every so often? there's some social terrible happening to some child beaten to death by revolting parents. and then we also, oh, isn't it terrible? there's an investigation which lasts three years, and at the end of it. oh, by the way, there's been another child beaten to death. so the question about society, i think people do care, especially about care, right? especially about their a wider family their family. a wider family issue in the in their street, less so i do agree with that. that actually if somebody lived a bit down the road and there was some kind of problem out there, you wouldn't necessarily reach out. >> i mean, i don't want to sound like the sort of the person complaining that everything's, you tape. days you know, red tape. these days and shouldn't be and the rules shouldn't be there. i think in old there. but i think in the old days, somebody would just smashed after smashed the door in after a couple of days, wouldn't they? now feel can't do things. >> do you honestly think do you honestly think 30, 30 years ago that have pushed that anybody would have pushed a

door i know depends on door in? i know depends on depends on how close knit the community is. >> mean, i had >> i mean, look, i once had the experience police bashing experience of the police bashing a door and i was sitting in the gallery tv studio in gallery of a tv studio in granada manchester put it granada in manchester and put it out, gloria hunniford out, putting a gloria hunniford programme, and i got a call on my mobile from the police saying, just smashing saying, we're just smashing your mum's she's mum's door in, we think she's dead.i mum's door in, we think she's dead. i hope not, she's dead. i said hope not, she's sitting me. oh um, sitting behind me. oh god. um, because that the day she'd because that was the day she'd come to see programme come in to see the programme a rather over concerned neighbour come in to see the programme a rather ove|a oncerned neighbour come in to see the programme a rather ove|a fuss rned neighbour come in to see the programme a rather ove|a fuss and neighbour come in to see the programme a rather ove|a fuss and the ghbour come in to see the programme a rather ove|a fuss and the doorjr come in to see the programme a rather ove|a fuss and the door was had made a fuss and the door was smashed in and greater manchester police had to pay for the i mean, the door repair. so i mean, there obviously balance there is obviously a balance in terms of people's privacy versus communities. >> that child could that child could the police could have done with the police pushing absolutely. pushing that. absolutely. >> i'd rather they >> i frankly, i'd rather they kick a few more doors in, made some mistakes and saved his life. so yeah, absolutely. and i mean, know, as a mum and mean, you know, as a mum and everyone going mean, you know, as a mum and eveabout going mean, you know, as a mum and eveabout the going mean, you know, as a mum and eveabout the fact going mean, you know, as a mum and eveabout the fact she's going mean, you know, as a mum and eveabout the fact she's a going mean, you know, as a mum and eveabout the fact she's a moming on about the fact she's a mom but i am i can tell you now if i hadnt but i am i can tell you now if i hadn't been able to contact my child, um, whether i'd had an argument or argument with the child's dad or not, i personally, with my own bare frankly, bare hands, quite frankly, would be door in and

be smashing that door in and kicking door in. kicking that door in. >> and i think that we're all very quick to go, oh, police very quick to go, oh, the police could this, and the could have done this, and the police have done that. police should have done that. and social worker should and the social worker should have the social have done this, and the social workers have that. workers should have done that. well, know family units well, you know what family units are in this day are really important in this day and age. and actually family units responsible ultimately units are responsible ultimately and for and should be responsible for each other. so yes, we can point to outside agencies yes, to outside agencies and yes, outside agencies to help outside agencies exist to help and where we need it. and support us where we need it. and all rest of it. but and all the rest of it. but ultimately, family is the unit of do you think the of a family. do you think the family as strong as it family unit is as strong as it once was? well i mean, it isn't in the sense that more people are, you know, more people, are, you know, the more people, more break up. more families break up. >> i grew up in >> i mean, i grew up in a divorce. my parents divorced when i was seven. um, i got into school next day and wrote school the next day and wrote a story was pro it because story that was pro it because because i wasn't it was more geared on mum than my dad. so geared on my mum than my dad. so it very difficult. but it is it's very difficult. but i think in instance it seems think in this instance it seems that boy was taken away from that the boy was taken away from his couldn't live with his mum or couldn't live with his mum or couldn't live with his because the banister was his mum because the banister was too steep. so i mean, you know,

but but you're talking about you're talking an ordinary family. >> most, most families, vast >> most, most families, the vast majority not have majority 99.999% do not have social workers having to knock on the door to find out if everything is all right in there. that's the reality. so yes, i agree. you know, nice. you know, working class, middle class families. everybody is looking other . but looking out for each other. but there a percentage out there there is a percentage out there who constantly in who actually are constantly in need of social workers , police need of social workers, police and the like. and i'm afraid this family was one of them. >> yeah. i mean, you're telling me as a child i was on the social services at risk register. so as a child the social services was involved with our family because there was concerns for my safety and for the safety of my siblings. so i speak with experience of , so i speak with experience of, of kind of being that that child . obviously i've grown up now, but as being of that child and having services involved . having those services involved. but ultimately services but ultimately those services are involved because somebody within the family unit is doing something that they shouldn't be doing . yeah. and at some point doing. yeah. and at some point a family unit will have to step up

and people within those family units have to look inward and say , you know what? no, we need say, you know what? no, we need to come together. we need to look after the children, because children are so precious and caring for those children should be the most important thing above anything else . and family above anything else. and family arguments and family quarrels. sure, you know what that stuff goes on. families, divorce and parents move out and whatever it. but the safety of children should be paramount above anything and everything else. >> but the role of grandparents is key as well. and historically , the authorities have been a bit reluctant to involve grandparents or give grandparents or give grandparents responsibility and i think that i hope that's changing . we don't know if that changing. we don't know if that was applicable in the in these circumstances , but think circumstances, but i think you're the you're right. of course, the wider needs to step up wider family needs to step up whenever can, and state, whenever it can, and the state, if it is involved, needs to help them do so rather than be a barrier the way which barrier in the way in which happens sometimes. barrier in the way in which hapcarol'simetimes. barrier in the way in which hapcarol's beennes. barrier in the way in which hapcarol's been ins. and >> carol's been in touch and said, know what the problem said, you know what the problem is, so many of us is, michelle? so many of us don't even know the people that live door um, she

live next door to us. um, she said yes, some people might be lucky and have a good neighbourhood, but so many neighbourhood, but for so many of the neighbourhoods, people actually are actually they don't know who are their do know their neighbours. do you know your neighbours, kelvin mackenzie? i i can agree with this >> i can, i can agree with this and is a shocking story , and i this is a shocking story, right. so i'm walking my dog down the road and i see the lady next . this is in a quiet next door. this is in a quiet road in kent, and i say, oh, i haven't seen, i haven't seen tom lately . her husband, how haven't seen, i haven't seen tom lately. her husband, how is he ? lately. her husband, how is he? she she looks. she gave me a rather strange look and he said he died 18 months ago. right. so i it was at that point that i do accept now. all right. there's a bit of a gap between all our houses. but i did accept that i wasn't as fully involved in the in the social life of the village. >> i had a similar i mean, it's slightly less grim, but i, um, uh, had to knock on the, on the, on the, um, on the wall of the neighbours next door being very noisy one christmas and mum noisy one christmas and my mum was staying and i and was staying and i went and knocked the i found out knocked on the door, i found out it a labour mp and his

it was a labour mp and his brother who i'd worked with, and the labour mp i'd known since he was know they was 18, but i didn't know they moved door. what were moved in next door. what were they being so noisy? to be they doing being so noisy? to be fair, the mp had was away. his his was playing the his brother was playing the music bit loud when music a little bit loud when his, well, when his his, uh, well, his, when his brother it wasn't the his, uh, well, his, when his brot of' it wasn't the his, uh, well, his, when his brot of the it wasn't the his, uh, well, his, when his brot of the world. it wasn't the his, uh, well, his, when his brot of the world. i wouldn't he end of the world. i wouldn't normally have bothered if i hadnt normally have bothered if i hadn't had older mother hadn't had an older mother there, but so funny that, there, but it's so funny that, you trouble there, but it's so funny that, you know trouble there, but it's so funny that, you know it.jble makers know about it. >> one of my view is, >> oh, judy, one of my view is, is just written in and said, uh, michelle, and were michelle, my sisters and i were seriously abused our mum seriously abused by our mum many years she mentally ill. years ago. she was mentally ill. she says our neighbours must have heard her screams and nobody did a thing. so i find that absolutely heartbreaking. nobody did a thing. so i find that absoli'm.y heartbreaking. nobody did a thing. so i find that absoli'm.y isorryreaking. nobody did a thing. so i find that absoli'm.y isorry that ng. nobody did a thing. so i find that absoli'm.y isorry that you judy, and i'm so sorry that you went that. and this is went through that. and this is the neighbours, if you the thing, as neighbours, if you hear something that is not quite right, especially when right, i mean, especially when it screams etc. it involves the screams, etc. of a mean, don't how a child, i mean, i don't how would with yourself a child, i mean, i don't how vilivel with yourself a child, i mean, i don't how vilive next with yourself a child, i mean, i don't how vilive next doorwith yourself a child, i mean, i don't how vilive next door to h yourself a child, i mean, i don't how vilive next door to a yourself a child, i mean, i don't how vilive next door to a family.f a child, i mean, i don't how vilive next door to a family ? i live next door to a family? who. and was this child who. and there was this child screaming and screaming and screaming and screaming and screaming i hadn't done screaming and i hadn't done anything. you found out anything. and then you found out that actually that child had died been abused. died or had been abused. i wouldn't be able to live with myself. >> people like you. if >> most people are like you. if

they a child screaming, they heard a child screaming, they heard a child screaming, they would do something about it. don't think that that's it. so i don't think that that's different from, say , 30 odd different from, say, 30 odd years ago. i think that's exactly the same. >> um, look , i mean, people are >> um, look, i mean, people are asking as well about the family what's going on in the family. >> i absolutely hear you're asking the mum . what was asking about the mum. what was the mum? the story with their mum? and i'm will tell on that i'm sure time will tell on that one. emma says michelle, can one. uh, emma says michelle, can i just, um, one. uh, emma says michelle, can ijust, um, say i was a single i just, um, say i was a single mum, we under the mum, but we weren't under the social services. but ultimately, if no one would if we'd have died, no one would have about it. she says have known about it. she says she um, just she was pretty much, um, just there. it was that. that was there. and it was that. that was her unit. um, says, and emma her unit. um, she says, and emma says, michelle, can i just give you the flip side of this? i'm glad she says that there's no community anymore. who needs meddling? neighbours care and twitching long, all day twitching all day long, all day and night. >> very delicate balance . i >> very delicate balance. i think in some ways, you know, we look close look at the stereotypes of close knit there can be knit communities. there can be oppressive sometimes. if people were a bit different, lived a different as say, different lifestyle, as you say, they're tucked, uh , in they're kind of tucked, uh, in they're kind of tucked, uh, in the we're from, they're kind of tucked, uh, in the there? we're from, isn't there? >> abroad? still a thing? isn't there? >> you )ad? still a thing? isn't there? >> you )ad? one still a thing? isn't there? >> you )ad? one ofstill a thing? isn't there? >> you )ad? one of those thing? do you have one of those

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news radio. >> hi there, i'm michelle dewberry. >> this is dewbs& co with you till 7:00. the former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie, alongside me, as is the former labour adviser matthew laza .

labour adviser matthew laza. calm down everybody, you're all livid with me at home because i had the audacity. i just asked the question, do we need to know about the king's prostate? that is, can tell you now, right? is, i can tell you now, right? thatis is, i can tell you now, right? that is the story that many of you getting in touch me you are getting in touch with me about. livid with me. about. and you're livid with me. i question. we're i just asked the question. we're going debate. don't going to have the debate. don't worry. end of the worry. before the end of the programme for now though, right? you there and you sometimes i sit there and i think, i just live in some think, do i just live in some peculiar stuff peculiar world where some stuff goes it's from outer goes on? it's like from outer space. sometimes literally space. sometimes you literally couldn't make it up. well, today's news right? we've apparently managed to lose track of 6000 asylum seekers , people of 6000 asylum seekers, people that have apparently had their claims rejected. but it's all right, don't worry, because labour have got a five point plan. it's going to fix the asylum system , is it? let's have asylum system, is it? let's have asylum system, is it? let's have a little look, shall we? at this plan before i'm going to come to you first and foremost, kelvin mackenzie on this because if this five point plan managed to fix the asylum seeker , well, fix the asylum seeker, well, then i am a i was going to say a

strange word then, but i were. but just give me your thoughts on this. keep this five. >> i've read a thinner >> i've never read a thinner document. i'm. i think that rishi missed boat last night rishi missed the boat last night and he will pay a fairly heavy political price compared to him. it compared to his efforts. this is as thin as hell and there's some aspects in it. honestly, it does make me laugh . one of them does make me laugh. one of them is that they're going to renew the 0.7 aid commitment. well, let's just wade through the fact. >> let me just quickly whiz through the five, because if you're you're you're listening, if you're watching you can see you're listening, if you're watchi but you can see you're listening, if you're watchibut if you can see you're listening, if you're watchibut if you're'ou can see you're listening, if you're watchi but if you're listeningze you're listening, if you're watchi but if you're listening on them. but if you're listening on them. but if you're listening on the radio, i like to take you on a, a little journey. right. a, on a little journey. right. so point crack down on the so point one, crack down on the criminals. smugglers gangs. they're a they're going to have a new cross police unit, cross border police unit, a deeper security cooperation with europe. deeper security cooperation with europ

humanitarian crises at source, helping refugees in their region continue. kelvin. >> right. well we start with that one. they're going to renew the 0.7 a commitment. and presumably that's going to go out to places like afghanistan and the like and do what happened before, which massive corruption . one never gets to corruption. one never gets to the people and won't stop anybody coming over here. then we have a look at new agreement with france, where i think you can that because can whistle with that because after been sending after all, we've been sending hundreds over there hundreds of millions over there and doesn't seem to have and that doesn't seem to have stopped then with the stopped anything. then with the one that way then then we've got this you if they've this idea that if you if they've got they can let got family here, they can let all their mates in and lets in the rest of their family. so that's going increase that's going to increase the lot. start off with the lot. you start off with the crack down on crack now kelvin . crack down on crack now kelvin. crack criminal on on on crack down on criminal on on on on the criminal smuggler gangs do you does nobody think there's nobody think in the labour party. i'm sure that they do party. i'm not sure that they do think in the labour party. but does nobody think do too does nobody think they do too much? party see that? much? the labour party see that? in has tried, in fact, this has been tried, that the belgium, france, italy,

in fact, this has been tried, thatuka belgium, france, italy, in fact, this has been tried, thatuk , belgium, france, italy, in fact, this has been tried, thatuk , theyium, france, italy, in fact, this has been tried, thatuk , they have france, italy, in fact, this has been tried, thatuk , they have all ce, italy, in fact, this has been tried, thatuk , they have all beenaly, the uk, they have all been trying to do this and none of it has worked well. >> one, one clear thing that could be done is using anti—terror which anti—terror legislation which which starmer has made a which keir starmer has made a personal to, to personal commitment to, to tackle gangs, which tackle the smuggler gangs, which gives powers and gives the police more powers and puts restrictions what puts fewer restrictions in what they're puts fewer restrictions in what they'ichosen not to do so have chosen not to do that. so in a that answer all i'm in a sense, that answer all i'm saying, look, there may be stuff around the edges. >> i don't that there >> i don't don't say that there isn't the more could isn't right, that the more could be put the sas be done. me, i would put the sas in sort the problem out on in and sort the problem out on a permanent basis. okay. but nobody to recruits. nobody wants to do any recruits. >> the sas, did you see that? >> well, the marines can't >> well, the marines who can't get join the sas get work, they can join the sas but nobody will do that. but so but nobody will do that. >> trouble this, no but so but nobody will do that. >> no trouble this, no but so but nobody will do that. >> no one'se this, no but so but nobody will do that. >> no one's going this, no but so but nobody will do that. >> no one's going tois, no but so but nobody will do that. >> no one's going to randomly one, no one's going to randomly recruit the sas to randomly shoot french beach in shoot men on a french beach in the hope that they're going to be a people smuggler. >> they ? >> are they? >> are they? >> well, do mean, >> well, what do you mean, think they're a question they're not? it's not a question of going to be of think they're going to be a people they are people people smuggler. they are people smugglers and they going to smugglers and they are going to pay smugglers and they are going to pay ultimate price. is smugglers and they are going to paysuggestion.e price. is my suggestion. >> no, people smugglers, >> no, these people smugglers, they're kelvin. they're not daft, kelvin. they're not wandering around the hive, neither are the sas, and neither is the smuggler.

>> suggesting . well, >> are you suggesting. well, what are you suggesting, then? michelle? you've this michelle? go on, you've got this here. got five point here. you've got a five point plan from labour. do you adopt that? think i've reached the >> i now think i've reached the point now where actually , i point now where actually, i think that once people reach uk shores, the ship has sailed , so shores, the ship has sailed, so to speak. it's too late by then . to speak. it's too late by then. so you need to stop people reaching shores in the reaching these shores in the first and the way you'll first place. and the way you'll do by setting up do that is either by setting up a processing solution france. a processing solution in france. so people don't even get so these people don't even get on boats, or if they insist on the boats, or if they insist on the boats, or if they insist on on the boats, look at on getting on the boats, look at some way of towing back those boats, back those boats some way of towing back those bo france back those boats some way of towing back those bo france . back those boats some way of towing back those bo france . that's ck those boats some way of towing back those bo france . that's my hose boats some way of towing back those bo france . that's my solution.ts to france. that's my solution. >> favour of pushing back >> i'm in favour of pushing back the boats france . i haven't the boats to france. i haven't heard any any politician actually, on others either side or any side, actually saying we will do that. no, because i would love. i would love to see that because the navy's refused the navy won't do it because it breaks it. won't it, and breaks it. navy won't do it, and the won't do it either. the unions won't do it either. so who michelle is you, so who michelle is ulez you, you're have to do it. you're going to have to do it. >> well, i frequently had a panellist, habib, on this panellist, ben habib, on this program frequently.

program and he will frequently. he will cite these various aspects of international law and he will say it is legal to do this. so there are people out there actually, that would dispute that it's dispute the fact that it's illegal whatever is to do illegal or whatever it is to do that. i want to just also focus on the facts, because i don't want to be glossed over. want it to be glossed over. 6000 asylum want it to be glossed over. 6000 asyabsolutely have gone. it's >> absolutely have gone. it's outrageous. and that's why one of the key points in labour's five point plan is to get on top of the backlog we saw today. the prime off for prime minister told off for having lied the british having lied to the british people, claiming rid of people, claiming he'd got rid of the but actually he the backlog, but actually he hasn't. ask you about that >> so let me ask you about that then. so these people get on these right? they're these boats, right? they're deliberately through their paperwork you paperwork overboard. how are you going processing going to speed up processing these they aren't even these people if they aren't even got documents? >> well there are two >> so. well there are two aspects we need to get the people who already here, people who are already here, a thousand caseworkers get people who are already here, a th0|backlog caseworkers get people who are already here, a th0|backlog done,eworkers get people who are already here, a th0|backlog done, and kers get people who are already here, a th0|backlog done, and people get people who are already here, a th0|backlog done, and people who the backlog done, and people who should answer my question. yeah, no, absolutely. because the use of enable no, absolutely. because the use of police enable no, absolutely. because the use of police grab enable no, absolutely. because the use of police grab to enable no, absolutely. because the use of police grab to takeile the police to grab their to take their phones, is what their phones, and which is what their phones, and which is what the have which the belgians have done, which is and phones trace and use their phones to trace back where from the gangs back from where from the gangs that been that who've been who've been

using that who've been who've been usiii] know that who've been who've been usi| i] know where they're >> i know, i know where they're tick tocking them i know where i know where those 6000 are. they tick tocking them i know where i knoall/here those 6000 are. they tick tocking them i know where i kno all working»se 6000 are. they tick tocking them i know where i kno all working for6000 are. they tick tocking them i know where i kno all working for deliveroo they tick tocking them i know where i kno all working for deliveroo ,'hey are all working for deliveroo, and think deliveroo might just and i think deliveroo might just be, you know, but what happens is of handing over is there's a way of handing over your handing over. >> know what you're what you're talking do have to talking about. and i do have to say, was here and say, if deliveroo was here and of all delivery of course all the delivery companies are available, deliveroo would say that's a false allegation. they would dispute you're dispute that. but what you're referring was a story referring to was a new story that recently , which was that was out recently, which was a case whereby people that had been officially registered through delivery apps, been officially registered throtwere delivery apps, been officially registered throtwere then delivery apps, been officially registered throtwere then handing apps, been officially registered throtwere then handing out»s, been officially registered throtwere then handing out their they were then handing out their licence or whatever you want to call it, to other people, and they get a percentage. is that doing it? yeah, that's what you're about. but you're talking about. but obviously they're not here to refer that. so anyway, refer back to that. so anyway, you're telling me that you reckon once these fellas reckon that once these fellas have chucked their bits paper have chucked their bits of paper and all the rest of it overboard, you're going take overboard, you're going to take their is their phones off them, which is not happening moment. and not happening at the moment. and then then you're then you're and then you're going look at their tiktok going to look at their tiktok account and you're going see going to look at their tiktok accothey've you're going see going to look at their tiktok accothey've yotup going see going to look at their tiktok acco they've vol up goianonymous that they've set up an anonymous account and chatting account and been chatting to some random anonymous person. and the way, let's be clear,

and by the way, let's be clear, they've probably this they've probably deleted this trace lots trace already. and there's lots of on these messaging of encryption on these messaging services. gone. >> it's a wand. >> it's not a magic wand. >> it's not a magic wand. >> are you going to do? >> what you what you can >> what you can what you can find out, for example, is where they're you know, they're from. um, by, you know, it is, which at the moment, of course, people claim. what do you you going to you mean, how are you going to find where they're from? find out where they're from? because phone and because the use of the phone and the of the data the tracking of the data that they've because can they've used, because you can actually their actually by by getting their phone, where they've phone, you can see where they've been they started from. and then here's going >> and then here's what's going to happen, right? what's going to happen, right? what's going to what's going to to happen is what's going to happen. going catch happen. so you're going to catch your so you're your first guy, right? so you're going someone's phone. going to take someone's phone. and let's just let's just indulge theory. you're indulge your theory. so you're going to track where they've been. going that been. you're going to track that all has come from all this fella has come from syria. yeah. yeah. so if the syria. yeah. yeah. so or if the case it turns out they've come from they go from albania, they can go straight from albania, they can go straigat from albania, they can go straiga safe country. then from a safe country. so then you're your first you're going to send your first person back albania. then person back to albania. then what to do what they're going to do is they're going to albania they're going to get to albania and go, right, guys, just so you know, your phones know, chuck, your phones overboard there know, chuck, your phones ovthat ard there know, chuck, your phones ovthat danger. there know, chuck, your phones ovt butdanger. there know, chuck, your phones ovt but linger. there know, chuck, your phones ovtbut i think there know, chuck, your phones ovtbut i think obviously there know, chuck, your phones ovt but i think obviously they are >> but i think obviously they need their phones when they're >> but i think obviously they needin|eir phones when they're >> but i think obviously they needin order.ones when they're here in order. >> need a phone, isn't

>> so they need a phone, isn't it true, isn't it true that what this document proves is that actually labour want more migration, otherwise, migration, legal or otherwise, because they know that they actually likely to vote actually are likely to vote labour more likely labour and therefore more likely to is going be to increase what is going to be a massive him. to increase what is going to be a nhuh?a him. to increase what is going to be a nthey a him. to increase what is going to be a nthey a him get to vote no, >> they don't get to vote no, but will do over time. but they will do over time. >> and they almost certainly and especially from some of the religions, 80 in religions, vote 80 over 20 in favour of , uh, labour. favour of, uh, labour. >> right . >> right. >> right. >> look, do you know what? let me just move on to something that was absolutely that i thought was absolutely fabulous. to lie. fabulous. i'm not going to lie. right. metropolitan fabulous. i'm not going to lie. righthe metropolitan fabulous. i'm not going to lie. righthe police ropolitan fabulous. i'm not going to lie. righthe police moretan fabulous. i'm not going to lie. righthe police more broadly. and the police more broadly. right. be honest about right. let's be honest about this. they often kicking this. they often get a kicking for things they've for things that they've done wrong right. well, wrong or whatever. right. well, take right. take a look at this. right. because credit where it is due. i'm going you through i'm going to talk you through it. right. for anyone that's listening than watching, listening rather than watching, there's this whole kind thing there's this whole kind of thing that's at the moment that's going on at the moment where got gang members where you've got gang members and quite know who they and i don't quite know who they think that they are. everybody but that if they but they've decided that if they want luxury watch and you know want a luxury watch and you know what? nothing wrong that. what? nothing wrong with that. if luxury no if you want a luxury watch, no problem. but way you get problem. but the way you get a luxury watch , everybody is to luxury watch, everybody is to get work hard, save some

get a job. work hard, save some money and get a watch. but not these gang members, right? they think the way that you get a luxury watch is by just going up into the streets , up to people, into the streets, up to people, possibly that are drunk possibly people that are drunk or whatever surrounding them and robbing of this . and the robbing them of this. and the police. the met police have done an undercover sting, right? and i tell you it is absolutely i can tell you it is absolutely fabulous. it is so good. and i'm playing it to you on the screen. and what i'm showing to you is a few different examples of this, and it is they've managed to catch gang this catch this gang and this is quite a big gang, i have to say. 27 men have been arrested and charged, 21 of them have been convicted , 14 of them have been convicted, 14 of them have been sentenced to basically a cumulative total of 26 years in prison . varne. this makes me so prison. varne. this makes me so happy. prison. varne. this makes me so happy . me and prison. varne. this makes me so happy. me and i think credit where it is due. if you're not watching this footage, it's spectacular. this around these guys, they start robbing them and then it's almost like a batman esque kind of arrival.

the police come out, come out of all kind of corners. can i do what i would call flying kicks? but they're probably not that. and take these guys down. i love it, kelvin. well it's fantastic. >> i was upset at the what i thought were the minimal sentences on this. um, after all these watches are worth lots of money. there was violence involved and where i really give the credit to the police on this, is that they were bait. yes. they allowed themselves to be physical bait. oh, they they were not sure what the outcome was going to be of these guys all jumping . all jumping. >> these are some of these gang members, by the way, that we're putting up on the screen. okay >> um, and you know, so double credit for that. but the police do enormous amounts of work. and the trouble is that when you get a profile case of some kind a high profile case of some kind where something has gone seriously the police cop seriously wrong, the police cop it for that rather than the stuff that they do day in, day out. it it must be a very tough

job. and they now in london find it despite the fact the money has gone up a little, find it very hard to find recruits for this watches the value of this 300 watches to the value of £4 million was stolen in six months. >> right ? i months. >> right? i cannot months. >> right ? i cannot stress this >> right? i cannot stress this enough because we've seen examples recently of gang members. i don't know if you've seen this actually trying to wrestle people's jackets off them because they've got designer coats on. now we need to take a little step back. everyone. right. those people in that, mug shots, i'm that, um, those mug shots, i'm sure they think they are sure that they think they are really they're probably sure that they think they are realljaroundthey're probably sure that they think they are realljaround acting probably sure that they think they are realljaround acting likeiably sure that they think they are realljaround acting like the! sure that they think they are realljaround acting like the big walk around acting like the big i am. they are losers. they are life's losers. when you feel the need to want something nice, no problem. i respect that. i like nice things myself. get a job, go to work , work hard, save your go to work, work hard, save your money and go and earn whatever it is that you want. and there is nothing. nothing like wearing a nice watch , if that's what a nice watch, if that's what you're into. knowing that you've earned that money. if all you've got about you is that you need

to steal a watch . sorry, but to steal a watch. sorry, but i think you are. life's loser and i pity you . so yeah, you sit i pity you. so yeah, you sit there thinking you're the big, hard man. the big i am. you're not. pathetic . individual not. you're pathetic. individual watch is. >> i think what is are easily traded, they. isn't that traded, aren't they. isn't that the reason that they could steal it. could steal it. they could steal a nice. i say the word and patek say the word rolex and or patek or like that. and it or something like that. and it could worth 20, 30, 40,000. could be worth 20, 30, 40,000. they can go somebody and sell they can go to somebody and sell it for five grand or four grand, and somebody will pay it. the and somebody will pay it. so the receivers are as guilty as the stealers. absolutely. >> but what i would say that is good about this, even for those of us who don't wear a. have you got on. i'm of that generation. >> i haven't got a watch on who's the only one who's got the watch on. >> what it i'm not >> but what it means i'm not identifying myself watch identifying myself as a watch wearer now. wearer how. >> wearer now. >> robbed on the way wearer now. >> i'm robbed on the way wearer now. >> i'm standingied on the way wearer now. >> i'm standing outside 1e way wearer now. >> i'm standing outside my/ay home. i'm standing outside my watch off on the way. home. i'm standing outside my watwhat on the way. home. i'm standing outside my watwhat i>n the way. home. i'm standing outside my watwhat i think way. home. i'm standing outside my watwhat i think isay. home. i'm standing outside my watwhat i think is good about >> what i think is good about this even if you're not an this is even if you're not an expensive watch wearer, it gives. impression gives. it gives an impression that are being taken that the streets are being taken back, that there is a sense of control when wander through control when you wander through the london. you

control when you wander through the in london. you control when you wander through the in any london. you control when you wander through the in any otherondon. you control when you wander through the in any other country, you control when you wander through the in any other country, there were in any other country, there would few bobbies on the would be a few bobbies on the beat. i'm looking low beat. if i'm just looking at low level anti—social behaviour, i was wandering through piccadilly circus the other day and there's not inside. true. not a copper inside. it's true. which to be when i was which used to be when i was a kid that was there were coppers around. number around. it was the number one pick. what pick. the other thing, what about of weed across about the waft of weed across the whole country? about the waft of weed across the yeah,3 country? about the waft of weed across the yeah, you |ntry? about the waft of weed across the yeah, you go y? about the waft of weed across the yeah, you go in even outside >> yeah, you go in even outside weybridge way in weybridge station, on my way in to was massive. to weybridge. it was massive. well, you see, therein lies well, and you see, therein lies anotherthis cannabis situation, >> uh, this cannabis situation, we'll this we'll have to do this one another is stuff even another day. is this stuff even illegal? can't smell, illegal? because i can't smell, so no idea what so i have no idea what what smells , uh, aware. if you smells, uh, aware. but if you are that smell are feeling that smell absolutely everywhere go, absolutely everywhere you go, what about that? that absolutely everywhere you go, wiat about that? that absolutely everywhere you go, wia debate, about that? that absolutely everywhere you go, wia debate, abou�*forat? that absolutely everywhere you go, wia debate, abou�*for another is a debate, though, for another day. do you make credit day. but what do you make credit where due the police where it is due to the police doing that hard job and getting those sorry, but those scumbags? sorry, but that's what they off the that's what they are off the street. salute the people that street. i salute the people that managed to do that. bit managed to do that. a little bit of news. we like that, of good news. we like that, don't i'll you. don't we? uh i'll tell you. which is what's less good after the break, councillors, uh, they're in an absolute pickle in this i can't wait this country. we. i can't wait to show you what one the to show you what one of the councils have been wasting your money believe money on. you won't even believe it. promise you, i'll see you

it. i promise you, i'll see you in two.

again earlier on gb news radio show . show. >> hi there. i'm michelle dewberry this is dewbs& co with you till 7:00, unless my eyes deceive me there. i'm sure i just saw an advert for imagine cruises . i think just saw an advert for imagine cruises. i think i did, um, well , all i'm trying to pitch an idea here. um, i think we should do gb news cruises. what do you think? me you. we could cruise off into the sunset together. what do you reckon? i think it's a fabulous idea. you'd be doing the singing. >> who'd be the jane mcdonald? >> who'd be the jane mcdonald? >> oh, i like a of karaoke. >> oh, i like a bit of karaoke. i i can sing a song, i can sing, i can sing a song, anything, will sing . anything, anything. i will sing. and partial to a and i've even been partial to a bit singing gb news. as bit of singing on gb news. as the the viewing the viewers figure, the viewing figures crash. as soon as i start thinking sing, you start thinking i can sing, you all switch i don't blame all switch off. i don't blame you, quite frankly. anyway, that was matt lauer's the former labour alongside labour adviser and alongside him we've got mackenzie, we've got kelvin mackenzie, former sun editor. know former sun editor. now we know by now, don't we, that councils, uk councils, they are such

uk councils, they are in such a mess . right. well now get this. mess. right. well now get this. apparently they are almost £100 billion to lenders now. major cuts . uh, they've been planned cuts. uh, they've been planned pretty much everywhere thurrock, woking, nottingham city councils, um they've already had to basically declare bannau cropsey uh, over the last couple of years. so something caught my eye. right. because we talk about all this debt that councils are in, we talk about the fact can't manage their the fact that can't manage their budgets the budgets and we talk about the fact public fact that actually public services now are risk. so services now are at risk. so look at this. right. what i discovered, it's made my eyes water matthew laza . i confess water matthew laza. i confess i've been to japan and i loved it. one of the things i loved about japan was the toilet. has anyone been to a toilet in japan? >> it heated . was it? >> it was heated. was it? >> it was heated. was it? >> beautiful. your >> they're beautiful. your bottom known anything bottom has never known anything like heated. they're like it. they're heated. they're blow air in places where, you know, they squirt a of perfume up there. absolute fabulous. but they've got no business. if you see what i did there. being in a council town hall. but look at

this picture, everybody look at this. look at this video . this this. look at this video. this is from a uk account. no, not this video. this is an advertising video for one of these toilets that i'm showing you. these japanese style toilets . right. heated seats . toilets. right. heated seats. look at this. this one though, this is the video that's been installed in a uk council waltham forest , for example. waltham forest, for example. these units look at them. this is a video. there you've got a bit of massaging. you've got a bit of massaging. you've got a bit of massaging. you've got a bit of blow drying of the backside and heat sensitive . backside and heat sensitive. these units, everyone cost £636 to buy. what business has a council got doing this? >> matthew laza it seems to me unless they've got a very good deal unless they've got a very good deal. um they know this is their figure 636. i mean, it seems to me that is way over the top and a waste of money. this wider thing that councils have been spending have been have been borrowing. basically spending have been have been borro'borrowing basically spending have been have been borro'borrowing money cally spending have been have been borro'borrowing money ca|buy up been borrowing money to buy up assets in the hope that they can make up enough profit on the assets for the 13 assets to make up for the 13 years of austerity. however, it

turns that local councils turns out that local councils are world's greatest are not the world's greatest investors. um, so they've, you know, they've been buying up solar parks in one case, um, business parks in another case, i'm all for councils borrowing to invest in their local areas. but not to uh, but not trying to become, uh, mini sugars . mini alan sugars. >> kelvin. well, i, i live near woking and in fact , i was in woking and in fact, i was in victoria square right at yesterday. >> right. >> right. >> and. yes. and it's honestly the, the council of woking have caused the most tremendous financial problems and it was down to the councillors by the way, tory and, and lib dem supported them . okay. they in supported them. okay. they in fact don't have any socialist . fact don't have any socialist. >> you're not a socialist haven but they owe £2 billion and uh, um , the council tax is going to um, the council tax is going to go um, the council tax is going to 9° up um, the council tax is going to go up 10 or 15. >> this isn't a free bet, right? the people locally are going to pay the people locally are going to pay in two important ways. they're the council tax is going to the rules. and to go through the rules. and secondly, services will definitely this is definitely be cut. but this is

the problem . this the the problem. this is the problem. this why labour problem. and this is why labour are because are enjoying this. because because what they will be doing is they will be saying when we're in, please come and see us and we're going to change the council tax. uh, number. so instead of it just being five, right, basically five levels, we're going to take it up to six, seven and eight so that it will be in the end, the bigger houses will pay double probably what they're paying now. and actually so to subsidise , um, actually so to subsidise, um, many of the madcap plans of councils around the country, this is the problem. council tax is going to go through the roof under labour. >> um, well just to give some context, right, to this debt figure, i just told you nearly £100 billion of debt in uk councils. that basically is approximately . £1,400 per person approximately. £1,400 per person worth of debt. you mentioned working rights. the debt figure there is equal to approximately £19,000 per person. that is the highest in the country. this is

absolutely ludicrous and completely unacceptable that we are constantly having to pay more and more council tax . if more and more council tax. if you are a motorist, i mean don't even get me started on that now, because all over the place, some of these councils now are popping of these councils now are popping all of these kind of popping up. all of these kind of restrictions. they're milking us. being like some us. we're being used like some kind to try and plug the kind of atm to try and plug the shortfalls . uh, when it comes to shortfalls. uh, when it comes to some of their mismanagement financially. this, i've financially. now get this, i've got them a right to got to give them a right to reply. waltham forest councils, the toilet people. i've got to say this is ludicrous when we ask them why have you installed these heated toilets ? what these £656 heated toilets? what they said is, because we're committed to ensuring our facilities are accessible to everyone, and these toilets everyone, and that these toilets are more comfortable for people with a number of conditions. uh, they go on and basically say, uh, among other things, they are a public event space and do things like weddings. they reckon these toilet seats reckon that these toilet seats have contributed to their overall long terme strategy to optimise income from our

beautiful buildings and get this right, they reckon that this strategy is working because since their refurb , they've seen since their refurb, they've seen bookings as a wedding venue bnngin bookings as a wedding venue bring in £210,000. last year and on top of that, we've had loads of gratitude from our guests and visitors who have understood why we've toilets and we've got these toilets and we've got these toilets and we've our approach. we've appreciated our approach. listen anyone that sits on one of those toilets will i quote, appreciate experience. it's appreciate the experience. it's lovely . lovely. >> i can still remember i want to to waltham forest now. to go to waltham forest now. >> somebody i'm rubbing my own walthamstow town hall. >> own backside walthamstow town hall. >> about own backside walthamstow town hall. >> about thatn backside walthamstow town hall. >> about that toilet;side experience. >> wonderful . you'll never >> it's wonderful. you'll never forget it. but you're a council paid for by your people. it's not for you. just use a normal toilet. do you live in that area 7 toilet. do you live in that area ? you've had your council tax hike there. are you pleased with these kind of heated toilets? do you that that is what is you think that that is what is a good use of your money? tell me also as well the story that's got guys up in arms. i just got you guys up in arms. i just asked the question, do we need to king has an to know that our king has an enlarged prostate ? lots of. enlarged prostate? lots of. you've talking to me about

you've been talking to me about that. the that. let's debate it after the break. in two.

hi there. michelle dewberry with you till seven matthew laza and kelvin mckenzie remain alongside me now. lock kelvin king. charles, we all know by now, don't we, that he has got an enlarged prostate . and, you enlarged prostate. and, you know, hopefully he is of course going to be. well let me cut to the chase. kelvin for time reasons is this the kind of information need know information we need to know about king? information we need to know aboyes. king? >> yes. >> yes. >> yes, absolutely. i'm. this would have happened would never have happened before. i'm enormously before. yeah. i'm enormously grateful that he does it, not least of all because i'm of similar, similar and similar, similar age. and also secondly, i'm a surprise. you take that attitude yourself because hang on, what partner ? because hang on, what partner? >> your partner. >> your partner. >> let ask you this, simon >> your partner. >> let did ask you this, simon >> your partner. >> let did usk you this, simon >> your partner. >> let did us all>u this, simon >> your partner. >> let did us all a this, simon >> your partner. >> let did us all a favourimon >> your partner. >> let did us all a favour .non jordan did us all a favour. nominal favour. when he announced that he'd had prostate cancen announced that he'd had prostate cancer, something which actually had it been me, i would not have

had it been me, i would not have had the courage to reveal. and in doing so, probably has saved literally dozens of people's lives, because he does talksport and basically an all male audience, and people will say, well, if jordan has got this going on, he's prepared to talk about it, i am i am going to go and do something about it. >> i don't know why i'm getting stick tonight from everyone at home lot on my panel. home and you lot on my panel. >> haven't said it. >> i haven't said it. >> i haven't said it. >> i haven't said it. >> i did was ask the >> all i did was ask the question i just asked, do we need know about. need to know about. >> with kelvin. the >> i agree with kelvin. the answer is yes. think it is. i answer is yes. i think it is. i think that men talking about their really important think that men talking about tiizir really important think that men talking about tii mean, really important think that men talking about tii mean, i really important think that men talking about tii mean, i thinkally important think that men talking about tii mean, i think we important think that men talking about tii mean, i think we important think that men talking about tii mean, i think we i don'tant . i mean, i think we i don't think you'd have posed a question it had question if it had if it had been one of the female members of breast of that are talking about breast cancer or a cancer that. >> would i would >> well, i would i would actually need know that actually do we need to know that , um, you know, the princess of wales daughter's wales is having a daughter's had abdominal more abdominal surgery. so it's more about well, that's that's more that's vague. the health of the royals . is that's vague. the health of the royals. is this that's vague. the health of the royals . is this really that's vague. the health of the royals. is this really our business? yes. well, i think that's my point. >> they're not going be able to do public duties. i mean,

hopefully not hopefully prince charles not as king. king charles, but not you. >> a good point there >> you raise a good point there about because most about kate because because most of i know are in and of the people i know are in and out of hospital , literally in 36 out of hospital, literally in 36 hours, 48 hours, and the discussion in our household and among my friends is how serious must this be for kate to be in hospital for , for two weeks and hospital for, for two weeks and then potentially not work for two, two and a half months? what could that abdominal be so it's the reverse of the argument, which i'm sure you're not progressing , which is that in progressing, which is that in fact , i think progressing, which is that in fact, i think we should progressing, which is that in fact , i think we should know fact, i think we should know when you're a public figure like that. when you're a public figure like that . i when you're a public figure like that. i quite when you're a public figure like that . i quite understand why that. i quite understand why kate doesn't want to tell us, but actually what they have . but actually what they have. disclosed, i think, creates a bigger question mark. >> look, just for the record, everyone, um, i, i think it's great that men talk about prostate cancer , you just prostate cancer, as you just mentioned at kelvin, partner mentioned at kelvin, my partner just advanced prostate just had advanced prostate cancer. just had advanced prostate cancer . and we were very, very cancer. and we were very, very lucky that it was detected. and he was able to have surgery. and

we have as a as a family unit, we've spoken about that publicly to try and help men to get to try and help other men to get checked. i'm not undermining checked. so i'm not undermining king charles or his prostate quite frankly. i'm just asking is this a kind of level of information we need to know about our royal family i accept it, i've been shouted at by you guys at home. you guys on the panel guys at home. you guys on the panel. the answer is yes. i love king charles so much. i'll put his up for you all to his portrait up for you all to have gander look, £8 have a gander at. look, £8 million. i think had a sign have a gander at. look, £8 mithat. i think had a sign have a gander at. look, £8 mithat portrait, had a sign have a gander at. look, £8 mithat portrait, but1ad a sign have a gander at. look, £8 mithat portrait, but manysign have a gander at. look, £8 mithat portrait, but many of n to that portrait, but many of you guys in touch. you guys have got in touch. somebody forgotten your you guys have got in touch. someihas forgotten your you guys have got in touch. someihas just forgotten your you guys have got in touch. someihas just made orgotten your you guys have got in touch. someihas just made org really your you guys have got in touch. someihas just made org really good name has just made a really good point. it's great point. you're saying it's great that people awareness, that people raise awareness, whether partner or the whether it's my partner or the king but you king or whatever, but if you can't in get a test, can't get in to get a test, you can't get in to get a test, you can't access your gp, can't get access to your gp, then no so yes, i then it's no good. so yes, i salute king charles nhs advertising campaign. >> it if you've got any >> it says if you've got any suspicions , go and get it suspicions, go and get it checked out. good with checked out. good luck with that. that. that. with that. >> that's point. that >> but that's the point. that one of my viewers, i'm agreeing with him, i have to say, overwhelmingly judith says yes, yes, should be yes, yes, it should be mentioned. prostate cancer is a huge worse male

huge killer made worse by male image this . image harassment. look at this. it already opens up discussion on we should say thank you to that. uh, jesse says as well. michelle, thank you for showing police positive early. they so often just get negative air time. well you know what i do actually respect the police. and i do think we need to celebrate them when they do things wrong. sorry things right. uh, look, matt , that's all i've got time matt, that's all i've got time for kelvin . thank you for your for kelvin. thank you for your contribution. you . at contribution. thank you. at home, let's make gb news new crews a thing . have a good crews a thing. have a good night. i'll see you tomorrow night. i'll see you tomorrow night . night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good evening . welcome to your >> good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather update . latest gb news weather update. friday will be another dry and sunny day for most, and showers are becoming much more limited to the far north, but there's still a snow and ice warning in force for many areas of northern and western scotland. high

pressure centring itself more centrally across the uk overnight tonight and through friday. that will bring the dner friday. that will bring the drier weather. so through the night it will turn dry night tonight it will turn dry for many areas . plenty long for many areas. plenty of long lived spells , some mist lived clear spells, some mist and fog, freezing fog in fact, for some areas of wales and inland england along the pennines as well . in far pennines as well. but in the far north of scotland, see north of scotland, we'll see that of heavy that continue. risk of heavy snowfall. turn snowfall. the snow will turn a little slushy as the night little bit slushy as the night progresses, but there'll be some ice untreated roads by ice on any untreated roads by the morning. going to be the morning. it's going to be another cold tomorrow another very cold start tomorrow morning, nine in morning, as low as minus nine in southern areas, but southern rural areas, but there'll be plenty of sunshine once another bright and once again. another bright and sunny for the bulk of the sunny day for the bulk of the uk. bit more uk. we've got a bit more of a westerly wind, so it will be a bit breezier on the coast, but that does mean that the temperatures a little temperatures will be a little bit recent days, temperatures will be a little bit7 recent days, temperatures will be a little bit7 degrees recent days, temperatures will be a little bit7 degrees in recent days, temperatures will be a little bit7 degrees in theznt days, temperatures will be a little bit7 degrees in the south—west or 7 degrees in the south—west but gloomy day but still a fairly gloomy day with plenty more snow showers to come in the north—west. a very unsettled day on saturday for nonh unsettled day on saturday for north and western areas with the winds picking up as we see a marked change in our weather for the weekend. so quite heavy

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