asa as a cost of going green britain as a cost of going green . is it really worth it.7 and joining me on talking pints, my campmate from a jungle of war winning actress danielle harold . winning actress danielle harold. but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . nigel thank you and middlehurst. nigel thank you and good evening to you. >> well, the top story from the gb newsroom tonight. the prime minister is calling on the house of lords do what he of lords now to do what he says is right and pass his is the right thing. and pass his rwanda bill. rishi sunak, who says he's determined to control the uk's borders. says he's determined to control the uk's borders . we're speaking the uk's borders. we're speaking to officials at gatwick airport this afternoon to highlight, he said, the importance of border security. well, the third reading of the rwanda bill passed through the commons unamended last night with a majority of 44 dup, dozens of conservative had threatened to rebel. but in the end only 11 voted against. mr sunak says peers must now support the

legislation as an urgent national priority and the prime minister's plan to stop the boats comes as the home office confirmed today, 358 people were into trying to cross the english channel yesterday in eight small boats. that means 621 people have arrived in the uk so far this year, despite more than two weeks of poor weather, the aslef train union has announced that drivers will go on strike for five days next month. lner drivers will walk out from february the 5th in their long running dispute over pay. the latest strike action is in addition to a series of walkouts against train operators across england. previously announced by the union . and as you've been the union. and as you've been hearing, thousands of jobs are at risk as tata steel has decided to push ahead with plans to close both blast furnaces at its port talbot plant in south wales. the decision comes despite unions today putting

forward proposals aimed at saving jobs, which tata has rejected. the redundancies , rejected. the redundancies, which will be completed by march next year, will see three quarters of 4000 staff on site at risk of losing their jobs. unions say they will now consult their members , with industrial their members, with industrial action not being ruled out . the action not being ruled out. the prince of wales has visited his wife in hospital, where she's recovering from planned abdominal surgery . prince abdominal surgery. prince william was seen leaving the private london clinic by car this afternoon. princess catherine said to be doing well after her procedure, which was carried out on tuesday. but it's expected she'll stay in hospital for up to two weeks. meanwhile queen camilla has said the king is fine and is looking forward to getting back to work as he awaits treatment for an enlarged prostate . the 75 year old prostate. the 75 year old monarch says he's keen to go pubuc monarch says he's keen to go public with his condition to encourage other men to get checked out . that's the news on

checked out. that's the news on gb news as across the uk, on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker, this is britain's news channel . is britain's news channel. >> good evening. well i finally made it back to london. thank goodness. and the prime minister this morning is giving a press conference. have a look at this . conference. have a look at this. >> well, the conservative party last night demonstrated that they are completely united and wanting to stop the boats and this with an this bill passed with an overwhelming majority in parliament. more broadly, parliament. but more broadly, last year was difficult. it's difficult for the country. were still recovering from the impacts of covid and the legacy of backlogs in our public services. also, the impact of the war in ukraine on people's bills. but at the start of this year , we pointing the year, we are pointing in the right direction and we have made progress and that is why we've got to stick to the plan, because that's how we'll deliver the change the the long terme change that the country well i'm really country needs. well i'm really sorry, do you believe he's

sorry, but do you believe he's going to stop the boats.7 >> because don't.7 does >> because i don't.7 does he believe he's going to stop the boats.7 no, i don't think he does . it just the idea that the . and it just the idea that the conservative party is united on this or any other issue is for the birds. now, look, we used to political leaders of whether it be a governing party or an opposition party putting the best spin they can on things. but i just begin to get the feeling that no longer do we believe a single word this man is saying . and this is very much is saying. and this is very much backed up by yougov poll that was out in the times today , and was out in the times today, and it makes pretty grim reading for the conservatives. it shows them now . down to 20% in the the conservatives. it shows them now. down to 20% in the opinion polls with reform, who frankly have not had a great deal of publicity. no major celebs joining them or anything like that creeping up on 12% and labour with a massive, massive

lead . now political parties have lead. now political parties have good times and bad times , and good times and bad times, and back in 2019, the conservative party had a very, very tough time, which i had quite a bit to do with, but they got out of that mess by theresa may resigning boris johnson coming in and then saying, right, we finally get it. we understand . finally get it. we understand. and you, we are going to deliver brexit kit. we are going to take back control and many millions of brexit voters thought that also meant taking back control of our borders, reducing the numbers of people coming in to our country. we had a stonking majority of 80 seats and what have they done for the last four years? well, they spent most of it arguing among themselves. navel gazing arguments within the conservative party without much thought as to what the rest of the country really needs . and of the country really needs. and inever of the country really needs. and i never thought i'd really ask this question, but i'm going to

debate tonight. is the conservative party in terminal decline ? i want your thoughts on decline? i want your thoughts on this, please. farage at gbillionews.com or tweet hashtag farage on gb news why do i say that? i feel that the loss of confidence in the conservative party from 2019 conservative voters is now at catastrophic levels. i'm not even sure there's anything they can do between now and the next election to get that support back. election to get that support back . and whilst the first past back. and whilst the first past the post system is what's kept in place, two party politics remember before the first world war, the liberal party were the governing party. they were ultimate plea. i accept it took a great war. it took the emancipation of women. but they were replaced by the labour party. i wonder whether there is any point to the conservative party. and i say that because they're always argued amongst divisions that we're a broad

church , but even a broad church church, but even a broad church needs a religion of some kind to believe in. i'm not sure they've actually got this anymore . i actually got this anymore. i think they're not fit for purpose . i think they're on the purpose. i think they're on the way out . jacob rees—mogg, way out. jacob rees—mogg, conservative member of parliament for north east somerset . probably the nearest somerset. probably the nearest thing to a party loyalist one could ever meet. um, a true believer in the conservative party, jacob, since about 1834. i think that's roughly the date when the modern conservative party has been recognisable as it is. has it ever been in greater danger than it is now? >> oh yes indeed. .from 1846 greater danger than it is now? >> oh yes indeed. .from1846 to >> oh yes indeed. .from 1846 to 1874, the conservatives don't form a majority government. they split over the corn laws. yes. um the peelites go off really with gladstone to the liberal party and disraeli reforms the conservative party as a patriotic party that represents everybody in the country . everybody in the country. exactly. actually, what boris was doing in 2019, in 2019, which was interrupted. and the key for the conservative party

is that we get back to representing the people who voted for us in 2019 and at the moment , though, donald trump, moment, though, donald trump, they think of the handsome mr farage. i don't have seen this poll, but 54% of them trust you , poll, but 54% of them trust you, as opposed to 35% who trust the prime minister and what we've done wrong is move away from our core supporters and we've been set off course over the boats issue by by some people who hold the eu effectively. and they're calling it the echr at the moment in high regard than their own voters. and that's been why rishi couldn't go further on the boats. i supported all the amendments, but there just wasn't a majority in for parliament it. and i think there's a much bigger political problem. it's not the tories, it's there is this disconnect between voters and those who are in charge between the electors and the elected . and the elected. >> absolutely true. that's absolutely true. >> and we can fix that because we've done it before. so if you

take the whole history of the tory party, you go back to the beginning of the 18th century. we periods when we we have had long periods when we haven't connection and haven't made that connection and we haven't succeeded, we've we haven't succeeded, but we've always come back to always managed to come back to get to voters. that's what get close to voters. that's what it's all about. however 20% is a very low number. >> professor matt goodwin and for the purposes of this debate, importantly pollster. yeah, these numbers are dire, aren't they? they're very dire. >> i mean, the conservative party is on life support. and you think about why the conservative party historically has been one of the most successful parties in the history democracy. it's history of democracy. it's because of its to renew . because of its power to renew. it's renewed its ideology. it's renewed its electorate. but after 2019, you know, after renewing itself around the brexit divide , i think what brexit divide, i think what strikes me is that the conservative party doesn't really know how to speak to the voters it inherited from brexit. and so if you look at what's going to happen to the party at the next election, nigel, with these poll numbers, the mps who are left, they're not red wall

mps, they're not northern mps, they're . oxbridge educated they're. oxbridge educated southern conservative mps of a more liberal mindset set. so the idea that after this catastrophic defeat, which the polls suggest is on, on, on route, i don't really think the conservative party is going to pivot back and say , well, let's pivot back and say, well, let's rebuild this electorate . i think rebuild this electorate. i think they're going to go into their comfort zone and the problem is that comfort zone is universal. t big social t towns, big cities, social liberals , and not going liberals, and they're not going to vote conservative a very to vote conservative for a very long time. >> differences, >> one of the differences, jacob, go back into jacob, if you go back into history, quite i history, you're quite right. i mean, the mean, you know, peel did the right thing in 1846, the right thing country, the thing for the country, but the wrong thing party at wrong thing for the party at that in time and the that moment in time and for the next 22 years or whatever it was . there was no political . but there was no political party to challenge directly. the conservative cause, you know, you had the whigs, the liberals, but you now and we've seen this over the years with ukip and the brexit party. now you've got reform. now there is a challenger. >> well, you know perfectly well because you've made this point .

because you've made this point. the brexit party had the great advantage in the european elections of , of proportional elections of, of proportional representation . you also had representation. you also had brilliant candidates, including one annunciator rees—mogg. i think inspired nation . um, think, inspired the nation. um, and that meant that people could vote for the brexit party , vote for the brexit party, knowing that it would lead directly to meps . the issue now directly to meps. the issue now is that , yes, reforms on 12, but is that, yes, reforms on 12, but it won't win a single seat. and it won't win a single seat. and it may well help turf out some quite proper conservatives. people you would find a lot in common. do you mean quite proper conservatives who've overseen massive tax rises, huge massive tax rises, a huge increase of the size of a state? >> i mean, quite open borders and illegal immigration at levels we've quite levels we've never seen quite proper like proper conservatives who, like me, for the amendments me, voted for the amendments last vote against last week to vote against that. ultimately, know, ultimately, jacob, did you know, because the bill was better than what currently got and is what we've currently got and is there any point? >> yes . i there any point? >> yes. i mean, i'm not >> oh, yes. i mean, i'm not confident going to lead to confident it's going to lead to planes leaving quickly. if we had time, it could. >> but this argument, jacob,

this argument you know, you might vote out some good chaps that exist within the conservative party i don't know what percentage of the parliamentary party would be with a centre of public opinion on immigration. maybe 20% of you know more than that. but the point is this if the public think at the next election that labouris think at the next election that labour is going to win anyway , labour is going to win anyway, they the idea that, well, don't vote for them because they're not going to win many seats, that fades away. i don't think it does because you have the question of do you really want labour to have a majority of 150, and do want them to 150, and do you want them to have complete free for all? have a complete free for all? well, they might it anyway well, they might have it anyway as blair had. >> think you make one >> and i do think you make one one you imply one important point. you imply something very important that when to when discussing this one has to be not to imply we be very careful not to imply we are to any voters . no. are entitled to any voters. no. well, i've been making this point. >> you have. >> you have. >> reform is not taking our voters. are failing to voters. we are failing to inspire voters . and even inspire our voters. and even more than the people going to reform are the people who are intending to stay at home. it's

a bigger number of people, and in ones, it's easier to in my view, ones, it's easier to bnng in my view, ones, it's easier to bring back, if only we would say things that inspire them , which things that inspire them, which are things boris is are the sort of things boris is saying may well be right, but >> jacob may well be right, but there's in the there's no leadership in the current tory party. going to bnng current tory party. going to bring is there? >> matt? rishi sunak's ratings there? >> atitt? rishi sunak's ratings there? >> at a ? rishi sunak's ratings there? >> at a new hi sunak's ratings there? >> at a new low.|nak's ratings there? >> at a new low. there ratings there? >> at a new low. there istings there? >> at a new low. there is nois are at a new low. there is no enthusiasm for the rishi sunak project, as we can see in the polls. interesting, polls. here's one interesting, uh, , you know, to, to, to uh, since, you know, to, to, to put out there which which i think differs from, say, the ukip and the brexit party experiment, if at the experiment, what if at the spnng experiment, what if at the spring reform is polling above the conservative party that could be interesting because going back to the 50s, there's a very famous french academic, maurice duverger, and he said the problem with first past the post systems for challenger parties reform is that many parties like reform is that many voters look at them and say they're a wasted vote, but if they're a wasted vote, but if they look at the national polls and they see reform polling potentially above the conservative that changes conservative party that changes the dynamic. and this of course, is sdp never quite is what the sdp never quite managed to do. it's what ukip never quite managed which

never quite managed to do, which is present itself as credible is present itself as a credible alternative . and if that alternative. and if that happens, everything off the table. >> the sdp did, though, in 1981 the sdp were polling over 50% and in the 1983 election what they were in 1, 2% for the labour party. >> yeah, they got 25.3. they got 23 seats and labour got 27 and a bit percent and 209. >> that's right . and that is the >> that's right. and that is the thatis >> that's right. and that is the that is the fundamental issue with first past the post. and it makes it difficult for challenger even if challenger parties, even if they're getting to the they're getting close to the incumbent. >> one exception to >> there's one exception to that. 30 years that. and that's canada 30 years ago. that. and that's canada 30 years agoyes . >> yes. >> yes. where >> yes. where an >> yes. where an incumbent conservative party with a majority and doing about as badly in the polls as the british conservative party is now faced, a party oddly called reform , are they literally reform, are they literally disappeared down to two, two seats. so it can happen . seats. so it can happen. >> oh, extraordinary results can happen. and first past the post tends to exaggerate in one way or the other. >> it can invert, can't it? >> that's right, that's right.

there is a tipping point. >> i also wonder if i'm 2019 >> i also wonder if i'm a 2019 conservative i'm thinking conservative mp. i'm thinking i'm going lose seat. why i'm going to lose my seat. why wouldn't i defect? why wouldn't i leave? why wouldn't i go out with a bang and think, know with a bang and think, you know what? are what? actually, chances are i might have a better chance in this in this red wall seat this seat in this red wall seat under a reform banner than under a conservative i a conservative banner. and i think variable, think that's another variable, a kind of known unknown in this election yet see election that may yet see a number of mps say, i'm going to, you know, roll the dice here. i'm going to try something different because i'm leaving politics anyway, here's here's the suggests history suggest that jacob's arguments are right i >> -- >> sure. but is there a chance that this could be a real moment of historic change? the chance is one issue, which is immigration. >> uh, throughout the 20th century, the conservatives throughout the 19th century, the conservatives endured. but we are now in a world where identity and cultural issues matter, just as much to voters, in fact, more to voters than economic issues. if you ask bofis economic issues. if you ask boris johnson's voters today,

what is your top priority? they say, stop the boats. they don't say, stop the boats. they don't say cost of living crisis. they say cost of living crisis. they say stopping the boats. so immigration could be the new brexit. it could be the issue that cuts across left and right. and if reform are picking up now , about 15% of johnson's , about 15% of boris johnson's voters , what if that starts to voters, what if that starts to go up? what if it's 25, 35% and they start to eat into some of they start to eat into some of the working class voters and the apathetic voters who are saying, i'm to vote at all, i'm not going to vote at all, then things start to change dramatically. and one thing i would say, at the british would say, look at the british election the premier election study, the premier study country's politics, study of the country's politics, that shows over the last decade, 60% of voters have changed their minds from one election to the next. we've never seen this before. so volatility , the churn before. so volatility, the churn in the system has never been as high as it is. >> that is a very fair point. >> that is a very fair point. >> that's an extremely important point. and you just have to look at labour scotland and labour point. and you just have to look at the our scotland and labour point. and you just have to look at the red scotland and labour point. and you just have to look at the red wallotland and labour point. and you just have to look at the red wall to and and labour point. and you just have to look at the red wall to see and labour point. and you just have to look at the red wall to see how labour in the red wall to see how willing people to change willing people are to change their i mean, labour in their minds. i mean, labour in scotland is quite extraordinary in ever in something none of us ever thought we'd see reform thought we'd see happen. reform

has and nigel, you has a challenge and nigel, you are part of this challenge. i mean that if you think the sdp with roy jenkins and shirley williams and so on, and david owen particularly really big figures, could not get through that hurdle. i just think there's any way reform without you can do it and you have an important decision to make. well it's very good of you, jacob, to put it back me right at the put it back on me right at the end of this debate. >> you very indeed, >> thank you very much indeed, gentlemen folks, gentlemen and folks, historically, course, historically, we of course, the conservative survive conservative party will survive all don't know. all of this. i just don't know. something just feels something just perhaps feels a little different . in little bit different. in a moment, we'll look at the awful, tragic death of two year old bronson battersby . is this yet bronson battersby. is this yet another catastrophic failure of child services , or is it too child services, or is it too easy of to us condemn local authorities when something goes wrong

that anybody would have pushed a doorin? >>i doorin? >> i earlier on gb news radio . >> i earlier on gb news radio. while i asked a question, is the

conservative party in terminal decline? >> some of your feedback is really, really interesting. john says. of course, the tories are in decline because they have broken that that many promises. pam says having voted for the tories for 60 years, i will not be voting for them, nor will i ever vote labour. david says, is this the worst political party in living memory for trashing our country? i think it is. and ryan, i think, gets to the absolute point here. he says. if they actually become conservative, potentially they have a future. but considering the lies they have told over immigration since 2010, i would struggle to trust them. and i think that was the point professor goodwin was making . professor goodwin was making. this now actually is about borders . it is about borders. it is about immigration, and it is very much about the population explosion happening in our country and the impact it's having on the lives of absolutely everybody . well, of absolutely everybody. well, who can fail to be moved by the

horrendous story of the two year old boy, bronson battersby , old boy, bronson battersby, found starved to death in skegness next to his father, who died some time before of a heart attack. it is one of those stories that's so horrid you almost don't want to look at it or listen to it, but is this another total failure of child protection? another baby p style case? or are social services so busy with so many cases that it just becomes too easy to point the finger of blame ? i'm joined the finger of blame? i'm joined by david niven, child protection expert and former national chair of the british association of social workers, and he hosts a regular social work podcast. david thank you very much indeed for joining us and i'm i'm forjoining us and i'm i'm trying to approach this debate in an even handed way because it's too easy to say, oh, look, social services have failed, but the one thing i would say ,

the one thing i would say, looking at the timeline on this case is there seemed to be some very big gaps between the door being knocked on in the first week of january and my door being broken down to find a dead two year old on the 9th of january. yeah i mean, there are lots of questions, nigel, that have to be answered. >> totally understood . but i >> totally understood. but i think for the minute all i can go on. perhaps let yourself is what we've actually heard in terms of reporting so far. what we've actually heard in terms of reporting so far . and terms of reporting so far. and i don't know if this child was what they call a child in need or a child at risk. i mean, and there's a very different, obvious distinction and social workers are appointed to work with both groups. but obviously more focussed and intensely with those at risk . but there are those at risk. but there are over 400,000 designated children in need in england and wales. and every single day, every

single day, the figure of the number of children at risk is 50,000. now so anybody can, i suppose , do the arithmetic. but suppose, do the arithmetic. but you know what i'm getting at. it's essentially you have terrible things and sometimes people make mistakes and not to not be doing the jobs they're doing in any of these disciplines. but nobody talks even disciplines. but nobody talks ever. when was the last time you saw a headline that said social worker does a good job? no no, no, no. >> david, i absolutely get that. and that's why i wanted to frame this conversation in that context. and to be fair , to be context. and to be fair, to be fair, this is a tabloid story that we're looking at. and as you say , we don't have the you say, we don't have the information. we don't know whether that two year old was on the at risk register. do we? >> no, no, we don't . and that's >> no, no, we don't. and that's thatis >> no, no, we don't. and that's that is , if nothing else,

that is, if nothing else, a testament to the confidentiality that that register is held in. but but obviously it's a question that you and your viewers will be actually thinking , viewers will be actually thinking, you viewers will be actually thinking , you know, was that the thinking, you know, was that the case or wasn't it the case? um uh, i don't know. i mean, i thought the social worker seemed to do pretty good as far as i could see from what we've heard so far. when, when she couldn't get in, she actually then went to other addresses to see if she could find them. and then when she she told the she couldn't, she told the police . and then when she went police. and then when she went back again, as you say, a couple of days later, it was a sort of repeat performance. and told of days later, it was a sort of repepoliceformance. and told of days later, it was a sort of repepolice again. ce. and told of days later, it was a sort of repepolice again. andrnd told of days later, it was a sort of repepolice again. and her told the police again. and her managers, course. i'm not managers, of course. so i'm not sure what happened in the middle there . and i think that's the there. and i think that's the testimony . but could i just say testimony. but could i just say one thing? when i was listening there in the break, you were talking, one of your contributors was talking about big events, i think was the words were that all words they were using that all was somehow sort of focussed. the population sort of view into something like this . absolutely

something like this. absolutely correct. and you know what? the first one that really hit was a boy called dennis o'neil in 1945 was murdered savagely by a foster parent. and it went on the country went into shock and it's also caused agatha christie to write the mousetrap, which is what it's all about. and effectively it had that impact on the nation and from then on, we've had, you know, your maria caldwell's your baby p's and others that people distinctly remember. and i've got no problem with saying there were mistakes in these cases. but that the 49,999 others that were being protected and interrupted , being protected and interrupted, if you like, by social workers, police, health, education, all the people in the front line never see much about that. >> no, no , no, david, i get it >> no, no, no, david, i get it completely . if you guys in your completely. if you guys in your sector do your job well, will we

expect you to do it well? if anything goes wrong ? you know, anything goes wrong? you know, your total failures and you've let the side down. final thought on this, if i may. let the side down. final thought on this, if i may . when we look on this, if i may. when we look at the numbers of children on the register and those specifically at risk, how quickly are these numbers rising and why ? and why? >> well, they're not interestingly enough. and that's bad in some ways that for the last decade at least, if not more, it's always hovered around the 50,000 mark. always. but the thing the difference now is , thing the difference now is, though, that now there are over 200,000 actual investigations or inquiries, as they call it, whereas before there was far fewer . so we're actually whereas before there was far fewer. so we're actually doing more inquiries, more work now. but but maintaining the list of those considered most at risk . those considered most at risk. >> so are we potentially then missing people off this register ? >> well, 7- >> well, we 7 >> well, we must be. >> well, we must be. >> of course we are. because you know, you can't you can't be

everything to the whole population and like you said earlier, yes, it's people like me and or as i was our job to me and or as i was ourjob to actually do the work in terms of safeguarding, but it's everybody's business to do safeguarding as you said, streets, neighbours , friends, streets, neighbours, friends, extended family . extended family. >> yeah. yeah. no, absolutely no david listen thank you for what you do. thank you for what you've done over the years. thank you for joining you've done over the years. thank you forjoining me you've done over the years. thank you for joining me this evening. folks at home, i evening. and folks at home, i hope you know, i hope you agree with me that it's just, you know, it's an awful case. it's a terrible, heart rending case. but is it really all the fault of social services? have a think about that in a moment. something that really does annoy me hugely. 3000 jobs are to go at tata steel in port talbot. it's a place where i broadcast from with gb news. it's all because guess what folks , we're because guess what folks, we're going green. so we didn't. because guess what folks, we're going green. so we didn't . as going green. so we didn't. as a country, we will cease to be

producers in britain of primary steel. i believe it to be total and utter madness

radio. >> the first ever farage at large we did was in port talbot in south wales, and i talked there about steel that actually keep blast furnaces going was inconsistent with our net zero targets and therefore what we were doing was happy to see the steel industry closed down, moved to india and china for steel to produced under lower environmental standards than the product shipped back. and i, i feel furious when i learned the news today that 3000 jobs are to go in south wales at port talbot , as the blast furnaces are to close. is this not strategic madness for a country? well, i'm joined by roy fishwick, managing director of cleveland steel. roy

can you understand why i'm so annoyed about this ? yes, yes annoyed about this? yes, yes i can to a degree. >> there's the two arguments have become blurred . so there's have become blurred. so there's the net zero argument, which is very important and is an issue regardless. but a lot of that in the uk is about energy. and then there's the strategic importance of steel . and in fairness, of steel. and in fairness, i don't see that the current decisions have got anything to don't see that the current de

terms of the energy of the fact that no matter how many you that no matter how many ways you look global steel look at it, the global steel industry exploiting industry is still exploiting energy and steel from, say, from russia and for other markets that are otherwise excluded at the moment. so there's a real issue, the uk. it is issue, not just in the uk. it is europe wide . europe wide. >> yes. i mean, the energy cost thing, of course, again, is part of that green net zero of that going green net zero agenda isn't it. you know, we are our are finished up with our manufacture was paying way more for their electricity, for their energy than their competitors in europe, america and elsewhere . europe, america and elsewhere. >> yeah, i'm not sure. i think that's down to the actual cost of green energy, because the cost of production of green energy is truly production, i think is much lower than that of the carbon sources. but that's not how the uk industry prices its electricity . its electricity. >> we know, um , so we're still >> we know, um, so we're still i know there's a i know there is a, there is a huge racket with how we price wind energy. >> i know that that's a slightly separate debate. but roy, i mean, you talk about electric

arc, you know, and you're an expert in this and that's fine for recycled steel, isn't it . for recycled steel, isn't it. but but but if we finish up with no, no blast furnaces, then strategically as a country, we are not primary producers . are not primary producers. >> no, we're not primary producers. electric arc furnace has its limitations for the products. it can produce. yeah. um it's also the case that actually all scrap is currently recycled , essentially 98% or recycled, essentially 98% or something like that. >> so what we're doing at the moment is we're preventing scrap from leaving or will be preventing scrap from leaving the uk so can be consumed the uk so it can be consumed within uk. but that's only within the uk. but that's only saving carbon saving transport, carbon transport, carbon is a fairly insignificant aspect in the total cost of carbon steel production . um, but we're production. um, but we're already having to import at least 30% of the uk steel requirement. we can't make a variety of products that we require in the uk within the uk now anyway , um, so as i said at now anyway, um, so as i said at the start, there's a different thing at the moment really, this

seems to be about net zero. truthfully not at all about the protection of the steel industry or a strategy for industry. >> yeah, no no no. right. i can't disagree with that. net zero or perhaps not zero depending on your point of view. thank you for joining depending on your point of view. thank you forjoining me roy , thank you for joining me roy, this evening . to going green. my this evening. to going green. my what the farage moment there i was travelling through chicago the other day. now in chicago they're very keen on teslas and teslas are great until it gets cold and really cold and then you can't charge them . so there you can't charge them. so there were teslas with batteries that were teslas with batteries that were down, dumped , parked all were down, dumped, parked all over the place . and of course, over the place. and of course, you can't push them because they weigh a lot, lot more than a conventional car. so yeah, you can get your electric vehicles folks, , but if you folks, if you want, but if you have a cold snap, you've got a real, real problem. now so i think this is probably the stupidest thing i have seen this

week. and that takes something. let's have a look at labour mp jonathan ashworth asking a sensible question in the house of commons. and then alex burghart, the parliamentary secretary for the cabinet office, replying hold on to your hats . hats. >> government lost 9 billion to duff, unusable ppe . the prime duff, unusable ppe. the prime minister then chancellor, signed off £7 billion worth of dodgy covid loans. even today , the covid loans. even today, the government is losing 10 billion to tax fraud, 6 billion to universal credit fraud , billions universal credit fraud, billions and billions more across the pubuc and billions more across the public sector as a whole is not the truth that families are paying the truth that families are paying £1,200 more on average in tax , because this government tax, because this government simply cannot be trusted with taxpayers money. yeah, yeah. >> and i, i really struggle with this, this line of questioning when, you know , people, people when, you know, people, people on the other side of the house have very, very short memories. this was the worst civil,

absolutely worst pandemic that we have had in over a century. the pressures on government were immense and the accusation that , immense and the accusation that, you know, that we bought too much ppe is akin to people standing up at the end in 1945 and saying the government bought too many spitfires. >> no, it isn't alex burger. what the hell are you on about, you idiot? spitfire was work beautifully until there shot down ppe after 18 months is out of date and has to be burnt at. and you ordered you and your mates ordered five years worth of ppe and nearly nine £9 billion of taxpayers money was burnt. if that's the best you can do in the house of commons, well, maybe you're one of those that deserves to lose their seat at the next election as well. and a final thought it is of course, world economic course, the world economic forum going the moment. going on in davos at the moment. and no surprise that the irish

premier, leo varadkar, when he was asked about china, said this. our long standing policy hasn't changed. it is a one china policy and we recognise china policy and we recognise china and that taiwan is part of china and that taiwan is part of china . there you are, the china. there you are, the repubuc china. there you are, the republic of ireland is now a big supporter of the communist chinese takeover of taiwan . i chinese takeover of taiwan. i wonder how many voters in ireland were aware of that in a moment. well, she was there in the jungle with me . she is an the jungle with me. she is an award winning actress who played an incredible role , an an incredible role, an incredible role in eastenders. danielle harold was a delight to be with in the jungle, and i'm sure she's going to be an absolutely great guest for talking pints .

so when you say

yes to going into the jungle for i'm a celebrity, get me out of here, you've no idea who you're going to go in with, but you don't really expect your fellow campmates to take the mickey out of you. but this one did. i'll take it down. nigel we will not have another up tonight. >> like the rubbish. no no. failed failed. now they can't have that one again. can't have them again. and we're like, i never gave me these to bring back. >> they're all dirty. jesus christ . well, she's hoping arade christ. well, she's hoping arade dam jarang. welcome to talking pints are that nice? that's nice of you, wasn't it? >> did you were you not impressed? no. it was quite a good impression, i think. i thought it was all right. >> it was quite a good impression. but would impression. but then it would be because are, course, because you are, of course, a multi award winning actress. oh, no . and what's interesting, and no. and what's interesting, and you've won so many awards. thank you. what's really interesting there were on reality tv , there you were on reality tv, but it was kind of reality tv

that made you in the first place wasn't it? yeah i started on a documentary with jamie oliver, actually many , many years ago actually many, many years ago now when i was a bit younger. >> um, so yeah, that was my first kind of taste. it was a bit. i wasn't really in the industry then, so that was just me way. so for this, me finding my way. so for this, i was yeah, i was really nervous because time because it was the first time being having the being me having been in the industry. so yeah, i was really nervous. >> the difference being in the jungle is you're being you when you're or whatever you're on eastenders or whatever it are playing it is, is you are playing a role, aren't yeah, but but role, aren't you? yeah, but but for danielle, your for you, even danielle, your background, you didn't come from a privileged background or anything that have anything like that to have managed get a role on managed to get a role on eastenders . i mean, that was eastenders. i mean, that was pretty cool , wasn't it? pretty cool, wasn't it? >> so lucky couldn't have been more grateful to learn in the best place to learn in the business. definitely >> but i was talking to you in the jungle and i thought, well, it must be so easy now. >> you did, didn't you? >> you did, didn't you? >> but i mean, you >> you know, but i mean, you did. know, you're on a soap. did. you know, you're on a soap. it's regular money. it's unlike,

like other actors who are fearful. jobs, fearful. they can do great jobs, big theatre , whatever it is. but big theatre, whatever it is. but they're fearful of next they're fearful of the next role. yeah. you've got a soap. it's dead easy. just turn up, do a couple of scenes here and there. but you were telling me actually , all those years, was actually, all those years, was it years? eastenders? yeah. actually, all those years, was it around�* eastenders? yeah. actually, all those years, was it around 153stenders? yeah. actually, all those years, was it around 15 years ers? yeah. actually, all those years, was it around 15 years in;? yeah. actually, all those years, was it around 15 years in theeah. >> around 15 years in the industry. so about 11, 12 in eastenders. >> eastenders is actually long hours and really hard work. >> yeah . i hours and really hard work. >> yeah. i mean hours and really hard work. >> yeah . i mean you're there >> yeah. i mean you're there from seven in the morning, seven at night, but it's not just the day. constantly these day. you're constantly in these like storylines that like awful storylines that you're play out. you're having to play out. sometimes so hard sometimes it's so hard and it sort of takes over your life. when you're given a storyline like yeah, it's really, like that. so yeah, it's really, really . really difficult. >> was, i was, i was i >> but i was, i was, i was i mean, i honestly was shocked when the you were when you said the hours you were working. was really working. you know, i was really genuinely was. >> i was talking about >> no, i was talking about i thought had a cushy thought you'd had a cushy number, got number, you know, um, you got this role as lola and, you know , this role as lola and, you know, part of the mitchell family, you know, the famous mitchell family i >> -- >> when it came to the ending of

your career on eastenders, a very dramatic ending, which and a very important story which will come to do the scriptwriters tell you now, danielle . sorry, but lola's not danielle. sorry, but lola's not going to be here in the next two years. how does it work with a story like my one in particular? >> obviously it took a lot of planning, lot research, planning, a lot of research, a lot that doing lot of time went into that doing that story. so i actually found out quite about, well, out quite early on about, well, very us about a year. out quite early on about, well, veri us about a year. out quite early on about, well, veri found us about a year. out quite early on about, well, veri found outrs about a year. out quite early on about, well, veri found out right)ut a year. out quite early on about, well, veri found out right at a year. out quite early on about, well, veri found out right at the ear. so i found out right at the beginning. yeah. normally you get 2 months get about maybe 2 or 3 months nofice get about maybe 2 or 3 months notice if that. so it's normally quite notice if that. so it's normally quhe soi notice if that. so it's normally quite so i had such a quite quick. so i had such a long to that i was long time to know that i was leaving, to terms with leaving, coming to terms with leaving, saying goodbye. so i had i had a good well, had yeah i had a good well, let's just, let's just share with audience the clip of with our audience the clip of when you're first diagnosed with a brain tumour and you share it with the family. >> i wasn't completely honest with you guys about what happened at the hospital . they happened at the hospital. they did find something on my scan . did find something on my scan. uh it's a tumour. what

did find something on my scan. uh it's a tumour . what. did find something on my scan. uh it's a tumour. what . i've got uh it's a tumour. what. i've got a brain tumour. >> is it . is it a brain tumour. >> is it. is it cancer ? >> is it. is it cancer? >>— >> is it. is it cancer? >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> it's me . goosebumps watching that. >> how hard is it to do that? i can't tell you how difficult them scenes are, especially with them scenes are, especially with the research that we do . the research that we do. >> we get paired up with people living with brain tumours , which living with brain tumours, which is. which has been so difficult but just so uplifting to work with these people. i can't tell you how much they've changed my life and touched my life and playing them scenes that you just want it so right just want to get it so right because you know how many people go and had go through that and have had that just that conversation. so you just want spot on as you want to get at a spot on as you possibly can, even though you know it's a soap. >> it feels so real. yeah. >> it feels so real. yeah. >> it feels so real. yeah. >> i just think with >> it does. i just think with especially they're >> it does. i just think with espethey're they're >> it does. i just think with espethey're amazing they're >> it does. i just think with espethey're amazing at hey're just they're amazing at what they you're they do that you're in everybody's room everybody's living room every day, tell these real day, so you can tell these real life stories, which so life stories, which is so

incredible doing and incredible about doing soap and what about being what i love so much about being at and being able to at eastenders and being able to raise awareness of something likethat was the beginning of >> that was the beginning of lola's decline, and it led to the inevitable. um, the inevitable. yeah. and, um, you won, you know, several awards . again, at the end of all awards. again, at the end of all of that. and that's it. eastenders. yeah eastenders. done. it's done. is that why you went in the jungle? you you read a bit of a loose end. >> i come to find you. nice. that's right. you were going in. >> would you? i mean, you know, we were in there for a long time. such a long time. a long time. such a long time. a long time. what did you of it? time. what did you make of it? >> the time, i found it >> i at the time, i found it really difficult. just the whole . it's so hard, isn't it? like when you watch it at you when you watch it at home, you laugh, you think how tough laugh, you don't think how tough that is to until that show really is to do until you're there. i coming you're in there. but i coming out looking back, probably out now looking back, probably the my life . like, the best time of my life. like, was really just shutting off was it really just shutting off from the world? i love that , from the world? i love that, like being, you it was like being, you know, it was just locked in, just so locked in, just conversation. mean, had conversation. i mean, you've had the amazing conversations the most amazing conversations that when would if that when would you ever if you've got phone or you're

you've got your phone or you're just busy. so i miss that bit of it, really do. you? it, i really do. do you? >> i to being away >> i have to say, being away from news now. >> yeah, was very, very odd. >> yeah, it was very, very odd. >> yeah, it was very, very odd. >> yeah. having spent sort of 40 years whether it's years with whether it's financial markets or politics or whatever, we become our news in there really. >> it's very odd. there really. >> but it's very odd. there really. >> but it's very odd. there really. >> but i mean,' odd. there really. >> but i mean, i)dd. to say >> but i mean, i have to say a couple of times, danielle, you did from trials did come back from the trials a bit traumatised, didn't you? >> a bit. what's the worst? >> a bit. what's the worst? >> was definitely the >> i think i was definitely the worst for the trials. worst in there for the trials. i was all for this shaking thing going wasn't great, was going on. that wasn't great, was it? weren't it? the creepy crawlies weren't really you really for you. wasn't. do you remember when we done the phone call when you were just call in one when you were just sat there, bugs was coming sat there, the bugs was coming on even on you. you just wasn't even flinching. believe on you. you just wasn't even flirdo ng. believe on you. you just wasn't even flirdo you believe on you. you just wasn't even flirdo you remember?3lieve on you. you just wasn't even flirdo you remember?3l doe amazing. >> i didn't want to show any signs of weakness. she didn't at all. you all screaming and all. you were all screaming and shouting jumping shouting and jumping around, having like, having a go at me, being like, i'm your boss. >> i'm like, sorry, nigel. >> well, i was, was, was >> well, i was, i was, i was taking the you was very good. >> please. you did it very pleased. >> yeah. i'm very grateful. >> yeah. i'm very grateful. >> are you. yeah. i'm very pleased you it. of the pleased you did it. one of the things did enjoy talking to things i did enjoy talking to you was fact that when

you about was the fact that when you'd you the whole you about was the fact that when you'c before you the whole you about was the fact that when you'c before with the whole you about was the fact that when you'c before with reality he whole you about was the fact that when you'c before with reality tv,nhole stuff before with reality tv, you'd interacted with alastair campbell and cherie blair and all sorts of very well known people, and that you've had some pretty strong feelings about the education system, about current affairs , about what was going affairs, about what was going wrong country . wrong in this country. >> yeah, it was a great subject to actually, one to touch on, actually, the one that's really and that's just really not. and i think it really needs to be. and obviously jamie oliver had the idea awareness in idea to raise awareness in parliament went idea to raise awareness in pa101ment went idea to raise awareness in pa10 downing went idea to raise awareness in pa10 downing street went idea to raise awareness in pa10 downing street and went idea to raise awareness in pa10 downing street and spoket to 10 downing street and spoke um, thereabout tried to get um, thereabout and tried to get change we i change and fortunately we i don't change happened don't think much change happened in country. in this country. >> you know, to change. >> so, you know, to make change. but felt that young people but you felt that young people are leaving school not equipped to deal with the world. yeah >> like almost like half or maybe half leave maybe more than half leave without gcses or grades and things. these people things. and all these people seem to fall this system seem to fall into this system where it's just a where it's like it's just a testing isn't great. like testing system isn't great. like if you're not practical. so i'm a practical person . so for me, a practical person. so for me, that's where i really did great in written work was in school. but written work was not me. that's where not for me. and that's where i was failing in everything. so it

would. yeah, it was what would. yeah, it was great what jamie with change jamie came up with to change education system, make it more better people me that better for people like me that could done better, it could have done better, had it not to people . not been to train people. >> yeah, who's taught >> i mean, yeah, who's taught about getting at about getting a mortgage at school, who's taught taxes or any of this stuff . any of this stuff. >> you just don't get taught in school wish that school. and i really wish that you taught things that you do get taught things that you do get taught things that you you leave school you need when you leave school as well it's important. as well. it's important. >> letting young down? >> think massively,yeah, >> i think so massively, yeah, definitely. mean, i'm still definitely. i mean, i'm still strong with the views. when we done school that done jamie's dream school that it's a shame didn't it's just such a shame it didn't change because i'm here and i'm kind advocate for that. kind of an advocate for that. i didn't get gcses and with that chance well from dream chance to do well from dream school, and i'm now doing school, i did and i'm now doing what i love more than anything. so it definitely needs to change. does . change. it does. >> also >> yeah. and you've also obviously for those obviously campaigned for those with brain tumours . yeah. of with brain tumours. yeah. of various and you more various kinds. and you want more research and more and research and more money. and i think the one thing you learned, danielle, campaigning danielle, with campaigning is you at things for you have to stick at things for a long time. a very, very long time. >> spoke about this. >> we spoke about this. we touched the jungle. touched on this in the jungle. i don't was shown. was don't think it was shown. was it? was asking your advice on

it? i was asking your advice on how to help and what to do, and it and i said, it was amazing. and i said, thank all think thank you for all your i think with all these i think with all these things, i think i think all successful think with all successful campaigns, persistence. campaigns, i think persistence. yeah, keep yeah, you just got to keep pushing and pushing and pushing and and and building support and building and building support and bui but; and building support and bui but but then there are so >> but but then there are so many good out there many other good causes out there as not you as well. it's not easy. you know, difficult. know, it's so difficult. so you've done the jungle. yeah done. eastenders. yeah for almost a whole career. what what comes next for danielle? harold i want you to take me round the world and teach me politics. >> nigel. >> nigel. >> really? well, take you around the well i want to meet the world. well i want to meet trump, find out what's on trump, find out what's going on there that. there with all that. >> been there. have >> i've just been there. have you been. because you been? i've been. because we spoke and said spoke about this and you said he's going to see trump. how was it? >> yeah, i was in iowa for the primaries on monday this week. and probably to and yeah, he's probably going to be next us president. i be the next us president. i think had this conversation. >> no, i do do what i'd >> yeah. no, i do i do what i'd love take you around the world. >> i'm sure gb news will >> i'm not sure gb news will allow me to go the world, allow me to go around the world, but i know you're really interested in current affairs and in and really interested in these debates, a really and really interested in these debatthing. a really

and really interested in these debatthing. what a really and really interested in these debatthing. what aboutally and really interested in these debatthing. what about acting? good thing. what about acting? come next? you come on, what's next? yes. you can't up. can't just pack it up. >> no, definitely not packing up. it's my passion. so up. acting i it's my passion. so i've now and i've just come back now and january our industry january is where our industry just open now january. just starts to open now january. february is audition time. so i'm hoping. yeah. get some auditions i'm auditions going now. now i'm back. i said i'd take back. so i said i'd take a little minute just to have a rest. because i don't know about you, shattered after. you, but i was shattered after. well, you're a well, you're not. you're like a machine . machine. >> i wasn't allowed to be shattered. i had to come straight to you know? straight back to work, you know? >> jungle. you >> straight out the jungle. you went work, didn't went straight into work, didn't you, that first night? do you remember? >> but think truth remember? >>i but think truth remember? >>i probably think truth remember? >>i probably had nk truth remember? >>i probably had the truth remember? >>i probably had the bestuth is, i probably had the best detox the i'd ever had detox in the jungle i'd ever had in my adult life. i'd probably fitter than i'd been. is fitter than i'd ever been. so is it be film? is it going it going to be film? is it going to be soap? what's it going be? >> um, i don't think soap right now. i've done that a bit now. i've done that quite a bit now, i'd love to do series now, so i'd love to do a series now, so i'd love to do a series now, think. or film. i love now, i think. or film. i love getting story to getting the whole story to something. can play something. i feel you can play it completely different you it completely different when you know a know where you're going as a character. i'll character. so yeah, well, i'll tell given your track tell you what, given your track record, else you've record, everything else you've done, sure whatever you do done, i'm sure whatever you do next, you'll a success next, you'll make a huge success of it. next, you'll make a huge success of iand i want to say you were

>> and i want to say you were fantastic company. >> you too, the jungle. >> you was too, in the jungle. >> you was too, in the jungle. >> really well, didn't >> we got on really well, didn't we? surprised we? we probably surprised people. yeah, hadn't. people. yeah, because we hadn't. you opinions different. you opinions very different. >> great time and >> but we had a great time and it's pleasure have you here it's a pleasure to have you here on gb news. >> is. >> it really is. >> it really is. >> see you nige . >> thank you. see you nige. >> thank you. see you nige. >> well, it's been a funny old week this week. i have to say, it's ended very nicely. talking to danielle , but from the to danielle, but from from the snows . from the snows of iowa snows. from the snows of iowa back to here. but i've got a feeling when you see the weather forecast in one moment, it might be chilly here the be quite chilly here over the weekend to see you monday looks like things are heating up . like things are heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news is . weather on gb news is. >> good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather update friday will be another dry and sunny day for most and showers are becoming much more limited to the far north. but there's still ice warning in still a snow and ice warning in force for many areas of northern and western scotland. high pressure centring itself more centrally across uk

centrally across the uk overnight tonight and through friday. that will bring the dner friday. that will bring the drier so through the drier weather. so through the night tonight it will turn dry for many areas. plenty of long lived clear spells, some mist and freezing in fact, and fog, freezing fog, in fact, for some areas of wales and inland england along the pennines but in the far pennines as well. but in the far north scotland, see north of scotland, we'll see that continued of heavy that continued risk of heavy snowfall. the snow will turn a little bit as night little bit slushy as the night progresses, be some progresses, but there'll be some ice on untreated by ice on any untreated roads by the morning. it's going to be another very start tomorrow another very cold start tomorrow morning, minus nine in morning, as low as minus nine in southern areas, but southern rural areas, but there'll be plenty of sunshine once another and once again. another bright and sunny bulk of the sunny day for the bulk of the uk. we've got a bit more of a westerly so it will be a westerly wind, so it will be a bit breezier on the coast, but that mean that the that does mean that the temperatures little temperatures will be a little bit than days. bit higher than recent days. 6 or in the south—west, or 7 degrees in the south—west, but a fairly gloomy but still a fairly gloomy day with plenty more snow showers to come in the north—west a very unsettled day on saturday for north and western areas , with north and western areas, with the winds picking up as we see a marked change in our weather for the quite heavy the weekend. so quite heavy rainfall come for parts of rainfall to come for parts of northern ireland many

northern ireland and very many north western areas of the uk. and as the temperatures start to climb the climb through the weekend, the snow start to melt across snow will start to melt across much scotland. so that could much of scotland. so that could bnng much of scotland. so that could bring issues . see bring some flooding issues. see you brighter outlook you later. a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on .

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