indeed, influential in. yes indeed, influential former minister dame andrea jenkins tells us how many have turned on the pm. she's up next. plus, after lee anderson admitted this was why he changed his mind in last night's vote , his mind in last night's vote, the labour lot was all giggling and laughing and taking the mic, and laughing and taking the mic, and i couldn't do it in my heart of hearts. >> i could not vote no. so i walked out. who could blame it.7 >> well, i'll be grilling his best mate brendan clarke—smith on for rishi bill on why he voted for rishi bill despite resigning in protest 24 hours earlier. also tonight, top telegraph columnist allison pearson reveals brand new information about a conspiracy at the heart of the post office scandal. you will not believe the story . plus, fearless royal the story. plus, fearless royal journalist angela levin gives an update on the king and kate's health scares in the royal dispatch. and could the real keir starmer please stand up.7 >> did you want him to be prime minister

>> i didn't think the labour party was in a position to win the last election . the last election. >> oh, he's wriggling on the line. well, an whitcombe's furious verdict on whether the labour leader has the principles and the ethics to be prime minister that's coming up shortly on my fiery panel tonight. i'm delighted to welcome the aforementioned allison pearson, conservative peer lord bailey and best selling author amy nicholl turner. so an action packed two hours to come get the kettle on. it's absolutely freezing out there and let's get to work . there and let's get to work. the pm defeated the rwanda rebels last night, but polling has the tories at rock bottom . has the tories at rock bottom. so is it time to replace rishi sunak or face electoral oblivion? let me know your thoughts mark at gb news. com lots to get through. but first

the news headlines and polly middlehurst . at middlehurst. at >> mark thank you and good evening to you. well tonight the top story from the gb news room is that the prime minister is calling on the house of lords to do right thing and pass his do the right thing and pass his rwanda bill. rishi sunak, who wants control uk's wants to control the uk's borders, spoke to officials at gatwick airport this afternoon to highlight. he said the importance of border security. well, the third reading of the rwanda bill passed through the commons unamended last night with a majority of 44 dozen of tories had threatened to rebel. but in the end only 11 voted against it . the police watchdog against it. the police watchdog is to investigate any missed opportunities prior to the deaths of toddler bronson battersby and his father in lincolnshire , the two year old lincolnshire, the two year old was found dead next to the body of his 60 year old dad, who'd suffered a fatal heart attack in skegness. gb news east midlands

reporter will hollis has the details. the latest details in a disturbing story that has shocked the nation are that thieves broke into the home of bronson battersby and his father kenny, who had been found dead. >> they're here in skegness just hours after social services made the discovery. it's said in the daily mail that that they stole money and pills from the dead family . now money and pills from the dead family. now this is something that has been confirmed that an investigation is underway by lincolnshire police. in a story that has not only shocked social services but shocked the nation as well. will hollis now train tickets are twice as expensive when bought from platform ticket machines than those booked online. >> the consumer group, which says same day tickets are particularly highly priced and in their research, best value fares were either unavailable or hidden among too many options. a

journey, for example , from journey, for example, from northampton to cardiff, was found to cost £107 from a ticket machine, but it was only £43 if bought online. then 2 in 5 railway stations now don't have ticket offices, so when passengers don't have access to tickets online, the only option is to buy from a platform ticket machine . meanwhile, lner train machine. meanwhile, lner train drivers on the east coast main line will walk out on strike next month in their long running dispute over pay , the aslef dispute over pay, the aslef union has announced. train drivers will go on strike for five days from february the fifth and this evening aslef announced its support for the engush announced its support for the english national opera, who've also launched their campaign. it's called the fair wage on stage , demanding better pay and stage, demanding better pay and conditions as. stage, demanding better pay and conditions as . and lastly, conditions as. and lastly, prince william has visited kate in hospital this afternoon, where she's recovering from a planned abdominal surgery . he planned abdominal surgery. he was seen driving out of the private london clinic this afternoon with his close protection team. the princess of

wales is said to be doing well after her operation on tuesday, but she is expected to stay in hospital for the next 10 to 14 days. meanwhile, queen camilla has said his majesty is fine and looking forward to getting back to work as he awaits treatment for enlarged prostate. king for an enlarged prostate. king charles says he's keen to go pubuc charles says he's keen to go public with his condition , often public with his condition, often to encourage other men to get themselves checked out . on tv, themselves checked out. on tv, online, dab+ radio and the tunein app. this is gb news, britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> thank you polly . a very, very >> thank you polly. a very, very busy show to come top of the evening to you. i hope you are very well. another day of high drama that would have the scriptwriter of coronation street eastenders salivating street and eastenders salivating following the political coup that never was like one of those fireworks. your dad bought from argos that didn't quite light up the sky. an unusually bouncy

prime minister addressed the nafion prime minister addressed the nation this morning . nation this morning. >> we have a plan and the plan is working. last year was the first year the number of small boat arrivals went down. not just down by a bit, down by a third. compared to crossings in the year before . the year before. >> is the plan working? rishi because 621 migrants have crossed the english channel in the past five days, 358 people arrived in eight small boats yesterday alone . crowe as he yesterday alone. crowe as he might, it's pretty clear that stopping the boats as a policy is about as achievable as world peace or elton john growing a full head of hair again and the pubuc full head of hair again and the public know it. this is our reporter sophie reaper , asking reporter sophie reaper, asking locals in leigh if they trust the government to tackle immigration. ian. >> um, no, not really . why not? >> um, no, not really. why not? um just because they've promised other things and they've never really followed up ? no. really followed up? no. >> tell me why not?

>> tell me why not? >> why not? how many chances of the yard ? how many chances ? the yard? how many chances? >> i don't trust any government to tackle the immigration at the moment. why not? i think it's too difficult to tackle not one country in the in europe's managed to tackle it . managed to tackle it. >> thank you, my viewers. and listeners. the great british pubuc listeners. the great british public know exactly what's going on now . we saw plenty of pearl on now. we saw plenty of pearl clutching from the so—called tory wets, the left of the party, including bournemouth mp tobias ellwood . he had harsh tobias ellwood. he had harsh words for his rebel colleagues. is just the sad but selfish and dangerous game. >> the right of our party is now playing at a time. the election is approaching. we should be showing discipline and not hogging the headlines for the wrong reasons. disunity does not go down well at the ballot box. selfie colleagues. >> ouch. but this tory psychodrama helps only the unscrupulous gangsters who continue to take blood money to enable these illegal and

dangerous crossings. enable these illegal and dangerous crossings . and of dangerous crossings. and of course, it helps the cervix free. leader of the opposition sir keir starmer, who may as well now send mrs. starmer to john lewis to go through curtain fabncs john lewis to go through curtain fabrics for number 10. now new polling today has labour an astonishing 27 points ahead, with the tories falling to their lowest level of support since liz truss was prime minister. that's almost like the good old days, isn't it ? but of course, days, isn't it? but of course, the biggest loser is you. the british voter who now has nowhere to turn . the tories nowhere to turn. the tories won't stop the boats and it will get worse under labour. welcome to hell. i believe that we now need a political revolution , need a political revolution, given that the majority of brits want illegal and legal immigration reduced, and who now look to be politically homeless, i'll be dealing with that in my monologue at ten. you won't want to miss it right now, though . to miss it right now, though. let's speak to dame andrea jenkyns , the only conservative jenkyns, the only conservative mp to publicly submit a letter of no confidence in the prime

minister. dame andrea , you minister. dame andrea, you submitted your letter in november of last year. submitted your letter in november of last year . you were november of last year. you were attacked at the time. do you feel vindicated ? feel vindicated? >> i mean, i'm not trying to score points here because , you score points here because, you know, at the end of the day, we're seeing the party fall apart. but we've got to act. mark um, i mean, i think this is a last chance to saloon now, um, we are having a general election this year anyway , let's get rid this year anyway, let's get rid of rishi. let's get somebody who's got balls of steel who will actually be prepared to come out of the european court of human rights and stand up to these judges and all the bleeding heart liberals who are trying to stop us sending them to rwanda and stop us turning around the boats. that's what we need. somebody who's strong like that, how swiftly could a new leader be elected? >> could it be an accelerated process? i guess it would need to be dame andrea. yeah of course it could. >> i mean, um, it could be done within, what, 6 to 8 weeks? um,

we could do it within the parliamentary party, within a couple of weeks and then give them a months notice to the ballot for party members. and i do think we don't want to do like theresa may did or like with rishi as well . um, where with rishi as well. um, where the members don't get a vote , the members don't get a vote, the members don't get a vote, the members don't get a vote, the members must get a vote because it, when they because let's face it, when they didn't, mester. didn't, it's, um, it's mester. >> who would be your preferred candidate? or would you care to throw a couple of names out there? >> yeah. i mean, to me , it's got >> yeah. i mean, to me, it's got to be somebody on the centre, right. um, you know, pretty's quite strong. um, you quite strong. suella. um, you know, either one of those. i'd certainly be happy with is this conversation about replacing rishi sunak. >> not a gift to labour, though. dame andrea . well i think dame andrea. well i think unfortunately rishi is a gift to labour at the moment. >> so it's which is lesser of the two evils really . um, so the two evils really. um, so this is why i think we've got to act on it. we've got to replace rishi and even though he won that vote last night, um, i and

but hearing that more letters are going into today , um, i are going into today, um, i still think is on borrowed time. mark, i'd be very surprised , um, mark, i'd be very surprised, um, if he's taken us into the election , how many letters do election, how many letters do you think have gone in? >> because i understand that 53 is the magic to number provoke a contest . contest. >> i mean, i mean, i was whipping joe and theresa may's time to try and oust her. >> um, and i'm speaking to people all, um, over the last few weeks and a couple of weeks ago , um, i did a tally. it was ago, um, i did a tally. it was about 29 mps who told me, but that was pre these disastrous polling, what we've seen at the weekend and pre this rwanda farce whatsapp in the last 24 hours. so i'm sure that more has gonein hours. so i'm sure that more has gone in since the weekend. >> would the tories not be a laughing stock if they selected yet another leader in such a short period of time ? short period of time? >> i think, um , unfortunately, >> i think, um, unfortunately, um, as the poll shows, we're not exactly , um, in favour at the

exactly, um, in favour at the moment. mark so we've got nothing to lose . so let's just nothing to lose. so let's just get somebody as i said, i want balls of steel here who will fight for the british public, not just give pr words , which not just give pr words, which rishi does. and let's starmer does even more pr where's and he doesn't actually answer any questions. so we need somebody who's ballsy and strong. >> do we have any idea who some of those signatories to letters going into the 1922 might be? >> um, well, yes, of course . but >> um, well, yes, of course. but l, >> um, well, yes, of course. but i, you know , i was in the whips i, you know, i was in the whips office myself . it's not a thing office myself. it's not a thing it's unfair to divulge who. um, but the ones i know is from both wings of the party. >> wow. um, would you throw your hat into the ring? dame andrea , hat into the ring? dame andrea, i'm not delusional, mark, if i if i put my hat in the ring, i'd get one vote. >> that'd be myself . >> that'd be myself. >> that'd be myself. >> well, listen, i think that will be a crying shame. i think you're an important voice in parliament. and within the party. speaking of which , you party. speaking of which, you were of only that voted were one of only 11 that voted

against rwanda legislation against the rwanda legislation yesterday evening . what's your yesterday evening. what's your view of those colleagues who disagreed with the legislation but voted for it anyway, like brendan clarke—smith or abstained like lee anderson? what words do you have for them? >> i mean, i think i mean, for those two, i like them both. and my wing of the party. i just think it's a shame, you know, they've resigned from their deputy chairman of the for party what if there wasn't going to see through, which i think see it through, which i think was sad to see. um, but was was very sad to see. um, but i know having been in the whips office myself, you know, um , i'm office myself, you know, um, i'm sure that job's got promise . so sure that job's got promise. so we'll see you on the next reshuffle. if anybody gets promoted. who abstained and promoted. who who abstained and or who voted for it. um. we'll see. um promises of getting more campaign funds. you know, that's how it worked. whether it's labour whips or conservative whips. so let's see what's been promised. and also there would have been threatened to pull campaign funding, for example , campaign funding, for example, theresa may's time. i um, was

told by the party chairman at the time, um, we're going to pull your campaign funding in your marginal seat. if you don't keep your mouth shut and stop trying to, um, not, um, you know, get rid of theresa may and i haven't actually had any campaign funds from the party since that day, so . so yeah, since that day, so. so yeah, i fundraised myself . so they do fundraised myself. so they do follow through with threats . but follow through with threats. but but i just said, do your worst. i'll raise the money myself . i'll raise the money myself. >> well that's right. if we're going to talk about balls of steel, possession of steel, you are in possession of at two of those de—man are at least two of those de—man are always a treat to have you on the show. look forward to catching soon. you. my catching up soon. thank you. my thanks the conservative mp, thanks to the conservative mp, dame jenkins . well, rishi dame andrea jenkins. well, rishi moscow says dame andrea, let's get the views now of my pundits tonight. daily telegraph columnist allison pearson, conservative peer lord bailey and author and broadcaster amy nicholl turner. well, this would be suicide for the tories, wouldn't it, to act rishi, at this stage, i like the way dame andrea talks about balls of steel. >> i think we're looking at

ovanes >> i think we're looking at ovaries i mean, ovaries of steel, mark. i mean, i think three main i think the three main contenders will be uh, contenders will be kemi, uh, pretty and suella. >> um, what about your mate penny penny mordaunt? you were penny? penny mordaunt? you were gunning for her in the last leadership election. >> i think she would been >> i think she would have been a better rishi sunak. better choice than rishi sunak. the tories wouldn't this the tories wouldn't be this far behind mordaunt was behind if penny mordaunt was leading think now leading them. but i think now that definite, uh, feeling , that the definite, uh, feeling, the that we need the sense now, is that we need someone the right who will someone of the right who will have do something have the guts to do something about immigration option. yes, it's um, as dame andrea said, it's um, as dame andrea said, it's the lesser of two evils. really. it wouldn't be great, would it, to come up with another tory leader? i mean, you know, was for by the know, boris was voted for by the pubuc know, boris was voted for by the public we've since had two public 2019. we've since had two leaders, whom was voted leaders, one of whom was voted for tory members , liz for by the tory members, liz truss. sunak wasn't voted truss. rishi sunak wasn't voted for anyone. but the problem, for by anyone. but the problem, the problem is mark, is he is, you know, the party is in a dire straits. reform are just eight points the tories in the points behind the tories in the latest poll. but he's got two huge challenges, moments when he can be unseated. february two by elections on the same day, tories are going to get an

almighty kicking. then in may there are the local elections and that will be a total bloodbath . so if the opposition bloodbath. so if the opposition are going to make if are going to make a move, if people unseat him, my people will unseat him, my question for everybody would be why would kemi badenoch , if she why would kemi badenoch, if she thinks she can be the tory leader , want to inherit the pile leader, want to inherit the pile of poo which she would be coming into now when she could take over? when the, know, the over? when the, you know, the landslide defeat and then she could rise from the you have brilliant column in the conservative supporting telegraph newspaper. >> you are countenancing the possibility of another leadership election. you think that conceivable or possibly that is conceivable or possibly even a good idea , i don't think even a good idea, i don't think i think it's too late now. >> in the cycle. there's not enough time to do it. i think a new a new leader, a woman leader. now, she could lessen the scale of the defeat. >> but you don't think it's going to happen? you don't think it's realistic. >> it might happen. i'd say it's about 6040. >> you were a tory >> if you were a tory backbenchen >> if you were a tory backbencher, would you be handing a letter tonight?

handing a letter in tonight? >> yes. i probably would. i probably would say, look, it's you'd have it, you'd have it coming out of the printer. >> you'd be ready to sign it. >> you'd be ready to sign it. >> it's a really bad situation. >> it's a really bad situation. >> all right. sean bailey, you are conservative. what's your are a conservative. what's your view idea of axing rishi view on the idea of axing rishi to save the tories? >> look, it's too late . an axe >> look, it's too late. an axe in rishi wouldn't save the tories at all. what that would do is suggest even more chaos. and you're of any sort and if you're a tory of any sort of standing, goal has to be of standing, your goal has to be let's steady the ship you'd be of standing, your goal has to be let's ifeady the ship you'd be of standing, your goal has to be let's if you the ship you'd be of standing, your goal has to be let's if you said ship you'd be of standing, your goal has to be let's if you said we) you'd be of standing, your goal has to be let's if you said we weren't be of standing, your goal has to be let's if you said we weren't all lying if you said we weren't all over the place, at least perceived like that in the papen perceived like that in the paper. steady the ship. paper. needs to steady the ship. i the risk i actually think the real risk time local election. time will be the local election. there are many tory councils up and down the country who pour their life and soul into that job, and it isn't about money. it's about representing their local area. they lose local area. should they lose their seats and they they conceive that it was because of the national picture, they will be livid and they will frighten their mps into doing something . their mps into doing something. and if rishi wants to avoid that, he needs to step out. we

don't need management now. the poor decision was made two steps ago. first, get rid of boris. the reason then the opposition are pursuing rishi so hard is because we got rid of boris. you lose one prime minister. it shows that it's possible and they'll pursuing you. now. they'll keep pursuing you. now. rishi wind rishi is reaping that wild wind and the second thing is, if you really concerned about immigration, there's other things do. don't make things we can do. don't make this taking off of planes. sing dramatic of your progress. because all the opposition have to do is delay. because all the opposition have to do is delay . that's because all the opposition have to do is delay. that's all because all the opposition have to do is delay . that's all they to do is delay. that's all they have to do. okay, what rishi should be doing is saying what would starmer do and what would keir starmer do and what would keir starmer do and what would starmer do? would keir starmer do? >> i mean, the bottom line is labour are laughing way >> i mean, the bottom line is la number laughing way >> i mean, the bottom line is la number 101ghing way >> i mean, the bottom line is la number 10 asing way >> i mean, the bottom line is la number 10 as we way >> i mean, the bottom line is la number 10 as we speak. way >> i mean, the bottom line is la number 10 as we speak. but' to number 10 as we speak. but the elephant in the room is that labour plan for labour don't have a plan for illegal immigration, they, illegal immigration, do they, amy? they do. amy? well interestingly they do. >> said they'll take >> they've said they'll take back the 400 million from the rwandan government use to rwandan government and use it to process claims . once the process the claims. once the claims are processed, we will keep deserve to keep the people who deserve to be and they will make be here and they will make money. and what our economy? >> okay. >> okay.

>> what about ongoing supply >> what about the ongoing supply of the channel illegally? >> one idea be processing illegally? >> oneiniea be processing illegally? >> onein france be processing illegally? >> onein france bemightssing people in france that might work. conservatives have work. the conservatives have continually shot that one down. >> they illegal >> they know the illegal migrants coming and the migrants are coming and the illegal from illegal migrants are coming from france . france. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> french. would a bit >> french. that would be a bit of and fro. that would be of to and fro. that would be like it? like table tennis wouldn't it? >> in france and >> process them in france and take our fair share of people. well we're talking more. okay >> e�*- w the bottom line is >> but amy, the bottom line is you must celebrating tonight. you must be celebrating tonight. i mean, a labour government looks a likelihood looks even more a likelihood than it was just 24 hours ago. >> i'm not guaranteed vote for anyone. there you go . however, anyone. there you go. however, i would say it's interesting to hear you about steadying hear you saying about steadying a i think the ship a ship because i think the ship is sinking . is sinking. >> ship is the ship is the titanic. >> and let's be honest, listen, i shuffling deck i shuffling around the deck chairs, disagree , but chairs, i want to disagree, but there is some truth in what you're saying. >> listen, here's the >> okay, but listen, here's the here's folks. here's the breaking news, folks. >> even amy nicole >> amy. nicole even amy nicole turner fully back keir turner cannot fully back keir starmer because no one backs him. because not blindly. no such thing as a fan of keir starmer, mrs. starmer. >> that's not what i said mark.

well perhaps mr starmer, perhaps his mother as well and his father, coming up father, the toolmaker coming up next, our very own allison pearson exposes brand new information about a conspiracy at the heart of the post office scandal. >> but first, rishi sunak came into turbulence when quizzed on when rwanda flights might actually take off. >> a new 100% guarantee. a plane will take off to rwanda before the general election. >> my wrinkling on the line there. >> so tonight i'm asking, there. >> so tonight i'm asking , is the >> so tonight i'm asking, is the nafion >> so tonight i'm asking, is the nation being lied to about the rwanda plan? tory mp marco longhi takes on trade union activist andy macdonald there live next, sparks will fly. this is patrick christys tonight with me. mark dolan only on gb news

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news . news. >> welcome back. look, the emails are coming. flooding in. dame andrea jenkins has just told us she thinks that they are in excess of 29 letters going into the chair of the 1922 committee, she says that rishi sunak must go briefly on email. this from john, who says mark, we gave the tories the biggest majority ever and they totally betrayed us with immigration, legal and illegal, which has resulted in broken britain with broken housing and broken nhs foreign criminals running riot, shoplifting gangs , etc. etc. shoplifting gangs, etc. etc. john not at all happy. keep those emails coming. market gb news.com. first up, it's time for our head to head . and the

for our head to head. and the prime minister held a press conference this morning after securing a 44 majority on the rwanda boat bill vote last night. that's right. he got his vote through his contested legislation , ian. but after legislation, ian. but after getting the go ahead to make the bill law, the pm seemed to struggle to answer a very simple question . question. >> a new 100% guarantee a plane will take off to rwanda before the general election. >> my , you can look, when's. the general election. >> my , you can look, when's . the >> my, you can look, when's. the first flight to rwanda going to go? >> because people are sick of empty promises on this. >> jason, what i can tell you is i to see this happen as i want to see this happen as soon as practically possible. >> breach of >> that's a breach of international >> that's a breach of intelnational >> that's a breach of inteln orderl >> that's a breach of inteln order to get those flights off. >> no, i've been crystal clear repeatedly that i won't let a foreign court stop us from getting flights off and getting this deterrent up. >> and running . >> and running. >> and running. >> there you go. breaking into a small sweat there. public confidence in the tories is at

its lowest level since liz truss was prime minister with yougov revealing nigel farage is the most trusted person to tackle immigration. it's not looking good for rishi, so tonight i'm asking a sunak refuses to be transparent about flights. is the nation being lied to about rwanda? let me know your thoughts mark@gbillionews.com or tweet me at gb news and do vote in the poll. but to debate this, i'm delighted to welcome conservative mp marco longhi and trade union activist andy macdonald. um, mr longhi, welcome to the show . do you welcome to the show. do you think that rishi sunak is being dishonest with the british people that this is theatre we're witnessing in relation to rwanda ? rwanda? >> uh, no , i don't think he is. >> uh, no, i don't think he is. i think saying that he's lying to the nation is a conspiracy too far? do i believe that there are issues with the safety of rwanda bill? as as there are? yes, i do , i was one of the, uh, yes, i do, i was one of the, uh, 66 who three times tried to

improve the bill and make it tighter there. uh, that was voted down and it was very touch and go for me to be what, the 12th if you like mp that voted against allen. i decided that wasn't the right thing to do. but through the voting lobbies , but through the voting lobbies, i stood in front of the prime minister and eyeballed him, and i asked him a very direct question about about the passage of the legislation through the house of lords. now actually, it really depends on them how quickly they want to handle it. so when you ask a direct question , when is this question, when is this legislation going to become effective? and therefore when the next flight is going to take off, it's going to be very difficult for anybody to answer. you could ask an official, difficult for anybody to answer. you could ask an official , they you could ask an official, they wouldn't , um, there will be wouldn't know, um, there will be some time frames , a maximum some time frames, a maximum penod some time frames, a maximum period of time that perhaps the lords uh, debate this, but lords can, uh, debate this, but we would want it to happen a lot soonen we would want it to happen a lot sooner. so it's impossible to give an exact date. i want it to be tomorrow , if possible. be tomorrow, if possible. >> uh, before i come to andy

macdonald, let's have a look at some of the comments of your colleagues. mr longhi, for example robert jenrick, example, robert jenrick, the former immigration minister and suella braverman, former home secretary , and of course, former secretary, and of course, former top lawyer as well. they think that the legislation is not fit for purpose, that it won't work . for purpose, that it won't work. what does the prime minister know that they don't ? know that they don't? >> so is that a question for me? yeah that's for you, mr >> long before i get to andy macdonald, i want to know why the judgement of suella braverman is not significant in this debate . this debate. >> of course it's significant. and suella was one of the people and robert was one of the people that i listened very carefully to, including bill cash, who i have enormous , uh, respect for. have enormous, uh, respect for. and that is the reason why we try to improve the bill. and, as i say, make it as watertight as possible. three times we tried that with amendments, but we

were defeated each time . um, uh, were defeated each time. um, uh, and obviously , um, that's, uh, and obviously, um, that's, uh, very , uh, regrettable, but my very, uh, regrettable, but my position is now that it's better to have something rather than nothing. this does have a chance of succeeding . you know, the of succeeding. you know, the government has received very solid advice that this could succeed. so i would prefer to work with something that could possibly succeed rather than nothing at all. now, had i voted against, had this been defeated, let me be absolutely clear about this. all that does is maintain the status quo, and we know that the status quo, and we know that the status quo is completely impossible and unacceptable. well, mr longhi, i really appreciate that. >> that's a straight answer to a straight question. there you go. andy macdonald. mr longhi is giving this legislature the benefit of the benefit of the doubt. the benefit of the doubt. >> yeah, i'm sure that that's been voted through. it will be successful. but you know, the legislation itself is completely flawed. know, we've flawed. you know, it's we've spent million already. spent 240 million already. another million this another 50 million going this year , uh, for 100 people to go

year, uh, for 100 people to go to rwanda . it's ridiculous. it's to rwanda. it's ridiculous. it's £63,000, uh, £63,000 per person. more expensive to send them to rwanda and to home here. sure, it will be a success, but it will be a massive failure. the legislation is complete and utter rubbish . it's baffling . utter rubbish. it's baffling. it's baffling. >> but but it's more than anyone on the left is offering as a solution . andy macdonald. solution. andy macdonald. >> well, yes. perhaps but you know, they're not the ones that have been government for 14 have been in government for 14 years. you know, the conservatives over conservatives have presided over the immigration system, the migration system . um, they've migration system. um, they've seen of this for 14 years. seen all of this for 14 years. and, you know , it's taken this and, you know, it's taken this long for them to start doing something about it's something about it. it's ridiculous. can't complain ridiculous. they can't complain about been ridiculous. they can't complain about it been ridiculous. they can't complain about it for been ridiculous. they can't complain about it for 14 been ridiculous. they can't complain about it for 14 years. been running it for 14 years. >> , what would labour do to >> uh, what would labour do to stop the boats? because it seems to that rishi sunak is in to me that rishi sunak is in political hot water because he's trying to do something. your mate , keir starmer has said that mate, keir starmer has said that he'll get rid of rwanda even if it works very well. >> i think even if it does work,

it won't fix a problem. um, you know, i think keir starmer said the other day that he's going to take the money back. have take the money back. rwanda have offered money back. he's offered the money back. he's going that money going to take that money back. he's spend on he's going to spend it on processing individuals processing those individuals that be to rwanda, that would be sent to rwanda, and set up and he's going to set up a process unit in france to stop, to that those who have to make sure that those who have genuine come do genuine claims to come across do get then anyone who is get that. and then anyone who is coming won't have coming across won't have a genuine . i believe that's genuine reason. i believe that's keir but keir starmer's plan, but unfortunately my friendship isn't you isn't as concise as you you might uh, have might suggest. so, uh, i'll have to next time i pop round to ask him next time i pop round for . for tea. >> marco longhi has some >> uh, marco longhi has some powerful from powerful arguments there from andy have andy mcdonald. labour have a better plan ? better plan? >> uh, well, i'd love to see what that plan is. every time we ask for it. uh, there is none forthcoming. let's be very clear about this. every single time. every step of the way that a bill has been put through parliament to try and stop illegal immigration. labour have voted it down every single time. it's a number in excess of 80 times now. and we all know that

their plan is to have completely open borders . we all know that open borders. we all know that they want to rejoin the european union, that would mean that if that that would not only would we have under the schengen agreement, completely open borders for migration, but they would also sign up to the deal with the eu agreeing to 120,000 asylum seekers every single year . so if they think it's bad now, and let me be absolutely clear with this, the conservatives have performed very badly over migration and illegal immigration. i'm one of these straight talking members of parliament who calls it as it is, but if you think labour is going to be any better, think again, because it won't. and all of these numbers about how much money is being spent on rwanda and the rest of it, we have, and all the rest of it, we have, through legislation the situation where we have to spend so much money on foreign aid. now you can have an argument about that. i don't agree with it. i think foreign aid it. okay. i think foreign aid should be spent first here at home, but rwanda would be exactly country exactly the sort of country where spending that

where we would be spending that kind money. so plans to help kind of money. so plans to help rwanda out with their systems. but actually the but we're actually getting the double eventually double benefit of eventually getting illegal migrants processed. as well. processed. there as well. >> and on money very briefly , >> and on money very briefly, andy macdonald, give you andy macdonald, i'll give you the you mentioned the the last word. you mentioned the cost rwanda. well, it hasn't cost of rwanda. well, it hasn't kicked yet . the idea is it's kicked off yet. the idea is it's a disincentive at the moment, accommodating people who have entered the country illegally is £8 million a day. so rwanda looks cheap by comparison . looks cheap by comparison. >> well, perhaps, but i just wanted to pick up on something that marco said there. you know, he lied on air. you he has just lied on air. you know, that labour know, he said that the labour party rejoin. he said party wants to rejoin. he said that language that a parliamentary language lied. want to rejoin lied. they they want to rejoin the european union keir starmer lied. they they want to rejoin the members union keir starmer lied. they they want to rejoin the members ofion keir starmer lied. they they want to rejoin the members of the keir starmer lied. they they want to rejoin the members of the cabinet,rmer lied. they they want to rejoin the members of the cabinet, ther and members of the cabinet, the shadow cabinet have clearly said that that the case. that that that is not the case. that is true . so think it's is not true. so i think it's just a bit odd that he'd lie about that to your viewers, you know, okay, a lie all right. >> well there you look, >> well there you go. look, opinions differ. opinions are opinions differ. and may vary. and recollections may vary. thank you so much to marco longhiand thank you so much to marco longhi and indeed andy macdonald for a fascinating debate. what

do you think is the nation being lied rwanda? elliott lied to about rwanda? elliott says rishi trying something , says rishi is trying something, at least whilst labour may vote against everything . i cannot against everything. i cannot think of one thing that labour would improve. definitely not reducing immigration with zero new ideas. adrian says sunak himself must know this won't get off the ground. excuse the pun, chris says not a single plane will take off to take refugees to rwanda before the next election. nailed on sunak is all talk. boris badly needed back as pm and your verdict is in. 92% agree that the nation is being lied to about rwanda 8% disagree. coming up as keir starmer makes this astonishing admission about his old pal jeremy corbyn. did you want him to be prime minister >> i didn't think the labour party was in a position to win the last election . the last election. >> oh yeah, but no. but yeah. >> oh yeah, but no. but yeah. >> can we believe a word the labour leader says, or does he lack the integrity to be our next prime minister straight

talking. ann widdecombe takes care to the cleaners shortly. but first allison pearson rejoins me in the studio to reveal brand new shocking information about a dark conspiracy at the heart of the post office scandal. you will not believe these revelations. that's

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keir starmer says? >> and widdecombe weighs in shortly. but first, the disgraced technology firm fujitsu announced this morning it will stop bidding for uk government contracts until the pubuc government contracts until the public inquiry into the post office scandal concludes . and office scandal concludes. and our star panellist and daily telegraph columnist allison pearson has uncovered shocking new details about what was really going on at fujitsu when concerns were raised about its defective horizon it system. here is allison interviewing an insider who worked at the company in the early to mid 2000 on her brilliant planet normal podcast. take a listen. whether ever any grounds for claiming that horizon was robust, there's no ground. >> it was. it was an obsolete setup and the approaches they were using were well known in the industry at the time as being very flawed. >> do you think there was a conspiracy at fujitsu? >> i do think there's been a conspiracy to suppress the truth on both sides of the equation. >> are there people you worked

with who should be in jail? >> this is a serious fraud or a serious crime. you have to have that sanction. you just can't get away with it. well allison pearson joins me now. >> allison , what is the most >> allison, what is the most shocking aspect of what you've heard from the fujitsu side in relation to this first hand account? so this is a whistleblower who contacted me. >> we haven't given away name or sex. just calling them robin . sex. just calling them robin. yeah. um, wanted to was in there working trying to start the second horizon because the first one was so flawed as we heard many shocking things. mark, i didn't realise that horizon when it was installed into post offices, had never been designed as an accounting system for so many post offices. they had 6 million transactions a day . it million transactions a day. it was never fit to deal with that many transactions . um, viewers many transactions. um, viewers gb news viewers will have seen the wonderful drama series mr bates versus the post office. the lovely joe postmistress is shown looking at her screen and

seeing the discrepancy . asses seeing the discrepancy. asses just double within seconds. and i said to robin , the insider i said to robin, the insider from fujitsu, what's happened? and they said , uh, the modem and they said, uh, the modem connection can go down. we all remember the dreadful modem buzzing, don't we? and the modem connection goes down. a transaction has gone through just before the modem connection goes down. the connection . comes goes down. the connection. comes back up. the machine takes another transaction, duplicates it. so if you can imagine that happening across the whole system . one that these , system. so one is that these, um, the retention of data was flawed. it was all wrong . and flawed. it was all wrong. and secondly, fujitsu senior staff on the horizon project that were going into the postmasters accounts while they were using them and trying to correct errors , and they were, um, my errors, and they were, um, my contact said they're making it worse . and the contact described worse. and the contact described it as like trying to fix the wing of a plane when the plane is in flight . that's how is in flight. that's how terrible it was . and i said, terrible it was. and i said, were any of the convict ones

safe? no none of the convictions could have been safe. >> who's actions appear worse at this stage based upon what you've heard this week , senior you've heard this week, senior post office management or fujitsu management ? fujitsu management? >> well, it's you know, it's a tale of two halves, isn't it ? i tale of two halves, isn't it? i mean, neither come out looking very good at all. there were very good at all. there were very toxic atmosphere at fujitsu. they're on a tight budget. um my source said the post office had champagne tastes on beer money. they did not want to pay for mark their mission critical standards . so, um, in critical standards. so, um, in a bank, a bank or a nuclear facility or an air traffic control, you will have very, very high quality, safe software. the post . office software. the post. office didn't want to pay that level of money for sufficient testing. so when it went into the post offices, it was already riddled with riddled with flaws, terrible flaws. so all those poor men and women dealing with basically a rubbish system that wasn't designed. and my source

said that one christmas, so busy the entire system nearly fell down. it nearly collapsed , and down. it nearly collapsed, and the people who came in to fix it disabled one of the functions, which was what retained the data . so that was switched off. so anybody who could have been making mr bates or joe or any of those, seema misra , all those those, seema misra, all those lovely people who could have been working on those systems in good faith . the data retention good faith. the data retention was turned off, so nobody would know. nobody would be able to point to had they taken any money. had they given any money, they were they were putting money the thing that money in. and the thing that comes that comes out of it, mark, is that they the post office, are guilty of fraud . they accuse these of fraud. they accuse these people of fraud. they kept money, that money that was duplicating every time the connections went down. they have taken that money and there are cases against fujitsu. we heard that fujitsu europe director saying , yes, we were in court saying, yes, we were in court and we gave evidence against them using saying these were

robust . the system, as my source robust. the system, as my source said on planet normal podcast, said on planet normal podcast, said it was never robust. it was ropey as hell. so that was used so we are looking at perjury . we so we are looking at perjury. we are looking at perverting the course of justice. and perjury is a very serious. so people stood up in court and said , this stood up in court and said, this woman has taken money. no way did they take the money. no way was there the data to prove the charge . so can you imagine more charge. so can you imagine more than 700 people? um uh, taken to court convicted 230 of them, sent into jail. and there was no evidence. so fujitsu , a evidence. so fujitsu, a conspiracy at the highest level. they knew that there were huge bugsin they knew that there were huge bugs in the system. and my source, my informer, says that for every time they went into fix the post office accounts , fix the post office accounts, there will be a money trail. someone senior will have authorised it. >> now of course, fujitsu deny these allegations, but it's just possible that management figures from fujitsu could face criminal charges and also the company

could have to cough up some of that £1 billion compensation bill at least. here's hoping they do absolute me. >> i mean, i think i think they've offered an absolutely derisory something like do we know what they've offered. 5 million. i think they've offered 10 million or something, which is the is basically won't touch the sides, the no sides, won't touch the sides. no i think we, we absolute i mean i think we, we absolute we the mark, we have to we as the media mark, we have to keep on at them. need to be keep on at them. they need to be arrests prosecutions because arrests and prosecutions because otherwise do their otherwise they didn't do their due diligence. they did not corporate mismanagement, um victimised of people, bullying of people , all on the basis of a of people, all on the basis of a faulty system. there is no trail of safe audit. >> there you go . >> there you go. >> there you go. >> well, listen, you do have a duty folks, and that is to listen to the planet normal podcast, which was just the voice of reason throughout the pandemic . nick. brilliant. voice of reason throughout the pandemic. nick. brilliant. uh allison pearson, alongside liam halligan do check out the latest episode, which features these latest revelations about fujitsu. now i've got a response from fujitsu. they've said the current post office horizon it statutory inquiry is examining

complex events stretching back over 20 years. the inquiry has reinforced that the devastating impact on postmasters lives and that of their families, and fujitsu has apologised for its role in their suffering. fujitsu is fully committed to supporting the inquiry in order to understand what happened and to learn it. out of respect learn from it. out of respect for inquiry process, it for the inquiry process, it would inappropriate for would be inappropriate for fujitsu to comment at fujitsu to comment further at this time . my thanks to allison this time. my thanks to allison pearson , who's back at ten. pearson, who's back at ten. coming up, i'll be grilling brendan clarke—smith on why he voted for rishi sunak's rwanda bill despite resigning over it 24 hours earlier. plus, i'll be telling you why. why britain must have a political revolution or cease to exist as we know it. that's my opinion and i'm not pulling my punches. but next, as keir starmer makes this astonishing admission about his old pal jeremy corbyn, did you want him to be prime minister >> i didn't think the labour party was in a position to win

the last election. >> he's wriggling on the line. can we believe a word the labour leader says? straight talking and widdicombe sounds the alarm on next prime on our likely next prime minister. see you

coming up at ten, the now former deputy tory party chairman, brendan clarke—smith smith, joins me. but first, former conservative government minister ann widdecombe and keir starmer has left britain aghast after trying to gaslight us into thinking he never truly backed jeremy corbyn after serving in his shadow cabinet for years. sir keir has now told itv that he never believed corbyn would win an election, so was okay about supporting him. take listen. >> did you want him to be prime minister >> i didn't think the labour party was in a position to win the last election . i didn't the last election. i didn't obviously vote for jeremy corbyn in 2015 or 2016. on the

contrary, i resigned. >> he travelled across the country to well in are you for him ? him? >> despite saying he felt he had a responsibility to serve in corbyn's shadow cabinet, it sounds like starmer never had any faith in him at all. all so ann widdecombe can we believe a word that keir starmer says ? word that keir starmer says? well clearly we can't. >> and we already know that from the number of times that he announces a policy and then reverses it five minutes later, not, not years later, but not, not five years later, but five minutes later. uh, so i think we already know we can't trust he but this trust what he says, but this claim is just beyond belief. claim is, is just beyond belief. i mean, we all know we're all grown ups. we all know that there is such a thing as collective responsibility, and you'll never get a situation where 100% you'll never get a situation where100% frontbenchers where 100% of frontbenchers agree with 100% of the policies that are being put forward by their party, but this is something completely different. i mean, jeremy corbyn, it wasn't a little nuance here and a

little nuance there. he was putting forward a genuine deep red socialist package, and keir starmer is going about the country supporting him. so he can't say now , oh well, can't say now, oh well, i supported him because i didn't actually think that labour was going to win anyway. he didn't really matter that i supported him. i mean , whatever sort of him. i mean, whatever sort of idiot argument is that he can't get out of it. he supported corbyn now. he doesn't support corbyn now. he doesn't support corbyn and maybe tomorrow morning he will again. i don't know , um, and plenty of know, um, and plenty of politicians have supported leaders. >> they don't think much of. isn't starmer just a pragmatist ? isn't starmer just a pragmatist? >> no, i mean, that was the point i was making when i said it wasn't a nuance here and a nuance there, and that i would understand . um, and yes, it's understand. um, and yes, it's quite true that i should come right up to a general election. uh, you do to rally behind uh, you do tend to rally behind and leader just in order not and the leader just in order not to be massacred by the other side . but we're looking at side. but we're looking at something different here. i mean, this man went up and down

the that corbyn mean, this man went up and down the make that corbyn mean, this man went up and down the make a that corbyn mean, this man went up and down the make a goodhat corbyn mean, this man went up and down the make a good prime'byn would make a good prime minister. us he minister. he now tells us he never really thought that at all. well well, uh, think that all. well well, uh, i think that is because, you know, is different because, you know, i occasionally disagreed i have occasionally disagreed with line that i was being with the line that i was being asked to take and i found a form of words , um, that didn't imply of words, um, that didn't imply that i was enthusiastic and thought it was the best thing since sliced bread. and everybody knew that i was speaking as a minister or as a spokesman, not as ann widdecombe. now you i allow starmer that . right. but this is starmer that. right. but this is beyond that, well beyond that, because he could at any stage have said , you know, the have said, you know, the programme that i am being asked to support is so deeply impossible , uh, that i'm afraid impossible, uh, that i'm afraid i can no longer serve on the front bench. anybody can say that any time he didn't, you have to ask yourself, therefore , have to ask yourself, therefore, how deep was his conviction ? how deep was his conviction? >> well, indeed. anybody could have said that. and plenty of labour frontbenchers did resign

ann. however, starmer has tackled anti—semitism in his party. he's made them highly electable. they're streets ahead in the polls . starmer electable. they're streets ahead in the polls. starmer is smashing it. isn't he? his history with corbyn doesn't seem to bother voters . to bother voters. >> oh, he hasn't made them electable . rishi sunak has made electable. rishi sunak has made them electable . well, um, you them electable. well, um, you know, and the conservative parliamentary party has made starmer electable. so starmer hasn't made labour electable . he hasn't made labour electable. he simply, uh, taking advantage, which is why he changes his mind every five minutes. because, you know, he goes with what the prevailing opinion seems to be rather with what he thinks rather than with what he thinks is the right thing to is actually the right thing to do. uh, he hasn't made them electable. he has simply sat back and taken advantage . and as back and taken advantage. and as all he's got to do, quite honestly, at the moment is all he's got to do in order to win. >> my thanks to the brilliant ann whittaker, who returns to you. on you. mark dolan, tonight. on sunday ann . sunday at 1015. thanks, ann. now, coming up, as a new book

claims martin bashir makes prince william's blood did prince william's blood boil. did the disgraced bbc journalist get off too lightly? top royal author angela levin gives her expert insight on that . plus, expert insight on that. plus, the latest on the royal health scares. all of that's coming up . scares. all of that's coming up. but next i'll be asking tory rebel brenda clarke smith why he voted for rishi sunak's rwanda bill. plus, my 10:00 monologue is coming . bill. plus, my 10:00 monologue is coming. it's bill. plus, my 10:00 monologue is coming . it's about illegal is coming. it's about illegal immigration. it's about legal immigration. it's about legal immigration. i'm not pulling my punches. see you in two. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boiler dollars. sponsors of weather on gb news . good evening. >> welcome to your latest gb news weather update. friday will be another dry and sunny day for most and showers are becoming much more limited to the far north, but there's still a snow andice north, but there's still a snow and ice warning in force for many areas of northern and western , high pressure western scotland, high pressure is itself more is centring itself more centrally across the uk. overnight tonight and through friday. will bring the

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>> good evening. you're watching patrick christie's tonight with me. mark dolan . it's10:00. me. mark dolan. it's10:00. >> there is now only one question. will the opposition in the appointed house of lords try and frustrate the will of the people ? people? >> rishi is talking tough, but will the house of lords kill the rwanda plan ? stone dead ? i'm rwanda plan? stone dead? i'm joined next by top tory rebel brendan clarke—smith, who resigned as deputy party chairman alongside lee anderson, only to vote in favour of the bill last night. he'll explain

that move in just a moment. also, a shocking new book claims that the bbc journalist martin bashir makes prince william's blood boil and as he reveals details of his enlarged prostate , it is king charles guilty of oversharing , fearless royal oversharing, fearless royal biographer angela levin is live in the studio with the royal dispatch . now remember this dispatch. now remember this shocker just days after the october 7 attacks? three hope you will have a blessed day today. >> look after yourself. >> look after yourself. >> that train driver has kept his job. would it have been different if he was pro—israel ? different if he was pro—israel? plus, we'll have a look at tomorrow's front pages hot off the press with my top panel this evening. allison pearson, lord bailey, will he vote in favour of the rwanda bill and amy nicole turner? so so lots to get through in what's going to be a

busy hour. keep your thoughts coming. market gb news. com it's my 10:00 monologue on the way and you won't want to miss it. i'm not pulling my punches. it's all about legal and illegal immigration. but first, the news headunes immigration. but first, the news headlines and polly middlehurst. mark thank you and good evening to you. >> we start this bulletin with some breaking news from the middle concerning israel. middle east concerning israel. the benjamin the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, once again netanyahu, appears to once again have the supported have rejected the us supported idea a two state solution for idea of a two state solution for israel and gaza. at a news conference in washington in the last hour, benjamin netanyahu, who said he opposed the established point of a palestinian state that did not guarantee the security of his country, who also vowed to continue with the offensive in

gaza until what he described as complete victory . the complete victory. the destruction of hamas and the return of the remaining israeli hostages. since the hamas attacks of october the 7th, when terrorists killed about 1300 israelis and took 240 hostages, the united states has still supported israel's right to defend itself well in other news today, the prime minister has called on the house of lords to do the right thing and pass his rwanda bill. rishi sunak, who wants to control the uk's borders, spoke to officials at gatwick airport this afternoon to highlight. he said the importance of border security . importance of border security. the third reading of the rwanda bill, passed through the commons unamended last night with a victory of 44 dozen of tories threatening to rebel. but in the end only 11 voting against. rishi sunak, now says peers must support the legislation as an urgent national priority . the urgent national priority. the police watchdog says it's to investigate any missed

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though. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaken digital radio and on your smart speaker. this is britain's news channel. speaker. this is britain's news channel . you wouldn't know it, channel. you wouldn't know it, but polly is wearing her thermals. >> welcome to the show and good evening. who matters is here. why is international law more important than national law? why are foreign courts more powerful than our allegedly sovereign parliament? but the bottom line is that if a country cannot police its own borders and cannot decide who enters and who does not, then it's not fit for purpose. it's not a proper country at all. and uncharacteristically bouncy, rishi sunak today warned the house of lords not to block the legislation after it was backed by mps. >> it's now time for the lords to pass this to. bill this is an urgent national priority. the treaty with rwanda is signed and

the legislation , which deems the legislation, which deems rwanda a safe country , has been rwanda a safe country, has been passed unamended. in our elected chamber. there is now only one question will the opposition in the appointed house of lords try and frustrate the will of the people, as expressed by the elected house, or will they get on board and do the right thing? it's as simple as that. but does the prime minister really have the prime minister really have the political will? >> the balls of steel to stop the boats ? the eu may have given the boats? the eu may have given up on border control, but why should we? wasn't that the point of brexit? and spare me the pearl clutching from the pompous, well—heeled establishment who are obsessed about what the world will think of us? this crisis is bigger than worrying about what lawyers in strasbourg are going to say. there's a lot of talk of our standing in internationally. well, i care about our standing nationally . there's lots of talk nationally. there's lots of talk of our reputation overseas . of our reputation overseas. well, i care about our reputation at home. i care what

you think and you are not happy . you think and you are not happy. our reputation is that tens of thousands of people, some of whom it was reported last year, are suspected terrorists. break the law to reach our shores , our the law to reach our shores, our reputation is one of a country which has lost control and where international gangsters who make many millions from trafficking human beings in what has become a humanitarian disaster here, are actually the ones in charge . are actually the ones in charge. what's particularly troubling is that it's not even our biggest problem . when you combine problem. when you combine illegal and legal net migration , illegal and legal net migration, when you're looking at not far off a million people a year entering the country, and people don't even realise that this is happening , polling shows the happening, polling shows the pubuc happening, polling shows the public underestimate the scale of net migration by almost ten times. a survey conducted this week suggested brits thought the legal net migration figure is about. legal net migration figure is about . 70,000 per year. it's ten about. 70,000 per year. it's ten times that a population the size

of a major city every year. the establishment in this country , establishment in this country, they don't struggle to get a gp appointment. they've got lovely houses with sprawling gardens . houses with sprawling gardens. they don't live down the road from a migrant hotel and they're insulated from the consequences of unchecked mass migration and how it's hurting the real economy , real communities and economy, real communities and real people. it's abundantly clear that the governing elite have no serious interest in stopping the boats or tackling eye—watering levels of legal net migration. we're being taken for mugs, and the only answer now is a profound political revolution. the tories have failed, as will laboun the tories have failed, as will labour. for britain. the choice is now clear change or die . is now clear change or die. before i bring my brilliant panel in, let's head to the conservative deputy chairman, brendan clarke smith. mr clarke smith, thank you for joining us.

after what's been a tumultuous couple of days, why did you change your mind last night and support the legislation ? support the legislation? >> thanks , mark. >> thanks, mark. >> thanks, mark. >> well, i'm not the deputy chairman anymore . chairman anymore. >> i had to resign, unfortunately. um, we with lee as well. um, that was a that was as well. um, that was a that was a decision that we made . um, of a decision that we made. um, of course, it's collective responsibility . when you're in responsibility. when you're in positions like that, if you don't the government's don't vote for the government's full agenda, you're full agenda, then you're expected or be fired. expected to resign or be fired. and they are the rules. and we accept that. i mean, the issue that we've got really is that we've legislated twice already on this . um, we're desperate to on this. um, we're desperate to solve the problems that you've just been describing . really. just been describing. really. uh, so we wanted to put some safeguards in there and to make it watertight. these are it watertight. and these are things that we've in things that we've suggested in the things that the past. these are things that i've suggested gb news things i've suggested on gb news things i've suggested on gb news things i've written articles on and, and, uh, you know, i just think in terms of being consistent and credibility , um, and for credibility, um, and for ourselves, lee and i felt that we had to support those amendments and that's why we

resigned . um, now, obviously resigned. um, now, obviously we've a situation where the we've got a situation where the bill has gone through unamended we've got a situation where the bilwell gone through unamended we've got a situation where the bilwell .jone through unamended we've got a situation where the bilwell . um,through unamended we've got a situation where the bilwell . um, now,gh unamended we've got a situation where the bilwell . um, now, it'srnamended we've got a situation where the bilwell . um, now, it's not1ended we've got a situation where the bilwell . um, now, it's not quited as well. um, now, it's not quite as well. um, now, it's not quite a binary thing where you're voting on whether you want something to happen not something to happen or not happen.the something to happen or not happen. the argument here is whether bill is going to whether the bill is going to work. whether it's work. it's not whether it's stronger or weaker or whatever. it's just a case of, you know, is it going to get those planes off the tarmac? and kind off the tarmac? and that's kind off the tarmac? and that's kind of are now. of where we are now. >> have you taken >> so why have you taken a different course to lee and ian, who at least took principled who at least took a principled stand and decided to abstain? why back the why did you actually back the legislation which previously you said wasn't going work ? said wasn't going to work? >> well, i think the thing is, i'm not a lawyer. i'm not a judge. uh, even with the legislation we're proposing with the amendment, we're not going to know if that would have worked until that actual plane takes so uh, you know, the takes off. so uh, you know, the biggest worry is that we have no legislation at all, is the legislation at all, which is the worst worlds. so i'm i'm worst of all worlds. so i'm i'm prepared uh, listen, with prepared to, uh, listen, with that, prepared to see that, i'm prepared to see whether this goes through the courts and whether it's successful really hope

successful or not. i really hope i'm wrong with that. and i hope it work. i hope the lords it does work. i hope the lords actually, um, you know, they don't kick into don't try and kick this into touch and delay and delay because people home want to because people at home want to see want it see this sorted and they want it done. so some of my colleagues voted some voted against, voted for some voted against, some abstain on it all for a variety of reasons . what we all variety of reasons. what we all agree on is that we want the planes to take off. we want to stop this, uh, illegal migration where people, quite frankly, are taking the mickey out of our system. we want to stop a situation where courts are, you know, foreign courts abroad . know, foreign courts abroad. they're making these they're making all these decisions . now, the last time decisions. now, the last time a plane got stopped at, uh, by one of these, uh, pyjama sorts of rules that gets thrown out there , we don't even know who the judges. uh, because the echr they've these they've given themselves these powers. nobody else has powers. uh, nobody else has given them. they've just taken them. you they them. and, uh, you know, they they are, uh, they the they are, uh, they have the control . and we said we were control. and we said we were going to take back control. so if doesn't work and if we if this doesn't work and if we don't get the planes to off rwanda, i think when we come to the general election, need to

the general election, we need to have , ian. have another discussion, ian. and our and that's about our relationship with the echr. yeah. whether we can still have that, the human rights act, the whole era legal framework whole blair era legal framework that we're now . i'd like that we're under now. i'd like to change that. anyway. um but certainly at the moment, what we're told is this is as we're being told is this is as far can go within the far as we can go within the parameters we've got. so want parameters we've got. so i want to the planes off the to get the planes off the ground. why i supported ground. that's why i supported it. the end. it. in the end. >> absolutely. and brendan, appreciate to appreciate you coming on to tell us about it very us about this. it was very exciting and it must have been a proud moment when you became, um, the um, deputy chairman of the party. hour coup party. but has this 24 hour coup been misfire , chaos for the been a misfire, chaos for the government? lots of reputational damage for the prime minister. and you're out of a job. but the bill went through anyway. what was the point ? was the point? >> well, i think it was important to make that argument there. it's not a case of saying that i, i there. it's not a case of saying thati,i can there. it's not a case of saying that i, i can say i told you so. if it doesn't work at the end, i mean, we genuinely to mean, we genuinely wanted to make there. now we make the changes there. now we will have colleagues who will argue the opposite say, argue the opposite and say, actually what we're doing made it likely the were

it less likely the planes were going for various going to take off for various legal , and i respect legal reasons, and i respect that opinion as well . and i that opinion as well. and i really that they're they're really hope that they're they're right but what we right with that. but what we thought you thought is you know, if you don't that pressure on, if don't put that pressure on, if you don't sometimes take it to the brink in, in our case, you know, up having know, where we ended up having to from our positions know, where we ended up having to end, from our positions know, where we ended up having to end, then our positions know, where we ended up having to end, then people sitions know, where we ended up having to end, then people don't; know, where we ended up having to end, then people don't take the end, then people don't take you seriously. and sometimes , you seriously. and sometimes, you seriously. and sometimes, you have to you have you know, you have to you have to did with to push it, as we did with brexit in the end. but, but but briefly, brent. >> brendan, what information changed between you rejecting this legislation and then this new legislation and then voting it ? voting for it? >> well, i think this is the technical side of it, mark. so we didn't actually reject the legislation. so it had already gone through on second reading. uh through. so uh people voted that through. so the, the general aims of the bill something that actually the, the general aims of the bill you omething that actually the, the general aims of the bill you know, ng that actually the, the general aims of the bill you know, we that actually the, the general aims of the bill you know, we all actually the, the general aims of the bill you know, we all agree lly the, the general aims of the bill you know, we all agree with. we, you know, we all agree with. we're all fine with that. we're all it. it's the all happy with it. it's the technical . so we technical detail. so what we actually on were actually voted on were amendments. so if you imagine we think 90 odd percent of the bill's fine, but we bill's fine, but actually we need to know, this part need to add, you know, this part and actually make and this part to actually make it better . so we voting on

it better. so we were voting on things make it better. now things to make it better. now unfortunately if you're on the payroll as we then you payroll as we are, then you can't do that. you can't propose your own. >> uh, but i understand, brendan, were quoted as brendan, you were quoted as saying was saying that the bill was unworkable in the week. unworkable earlier in the week. is it now workable ? well um, is it now workable? well um, it's not so much whether it was, um, workable as the fact. >> i wasn't sure it was watertight. i think is the main thing i was using. and we know what lawyers like. know what lawyers are like. we know what lawyers are like. we know what courts like . and what these courts are like. and i wanted to cut off all those avenues there. and that's what robert what okay, robert jenrick that's what okay, we're trying do. so that's we're trying to do. so that's why wanted the amendments. why we wanted the amendments. mark um, doesn't mean the whole piece normally is piece of legislation normally is necessarily , but we wanted necessarily bad, but we wanted to make it better. and that was what argument was about this week. >> okay. last but not >> okay. well, last but not least, brendan, what is the timeline flights to rwanda? timeline for flights to rwanda? you're really direct and you're always really direct and honest with me. i always appreciate you're appreciate that you're a sure footed politician . will there be footed politician. will there be planes the sky before a planes in the sky before a likely november general election, or will it be pigs flying ? flying? >> well, we wanted it in spring.

originally, uh, prime minister said he wanted it in spring. now, the problem that we've got is that it's now in the lords. now i've got no idea how long is that it's now in the lords. novlord'sjot no idea how long is that it's now in the lords. novlord's going idea how long is that it's now in the lords. novlord's going toea how long is that it's now in the lords. novlord's going to takew long is that it's now in the lords. nov lord's going to take with|g the lord's going to take with this weather there. um you know, going silly with it. some going to be silly with it. some people and it. and people and try and delay it. and we about the will the we spoke about the will of the people, some who people, and there are some who don't that. you know, people, and there are some who don't seen that. you know, people, and there are some who don't seen that that. you know, people, and there are some who don't seen that previously,:now, people, and there are some who don't seen that previously, but!, we've seen that previously, but i've a of very i've spoken to a lot of very good peers, uh, conservative peers, some other peers in the good peers, uh, conservative peers,wh0|e other peers in the good peers, uh, conservative peers,who actually3eers in the good peers, uh, conservative peers,who actually ,3ers in the good peers, uh, conservative peers,who actually , you in the good peers, uh, conservative peers,who actually , you know, lords who actually, you know, they agree us. they're they agree with us. they're passionate this as well, passionate about this as well, and support it. so and they want to support it. so quicker than lords can get it through quicker. can start through quicker. we can start getting and getting those planes off. and uh, hopefully that uh, you know, hopefully that will happen. now. doesn't will happen. now. if it doesn't then obviously we're going to have conversation have to have a conversation about think when the about it. and i think when the general comes, there's general election comes, there's a few changes legal system. >> mean, it sounds >> i mean, it sounds to me, brendan, like you agree with reform uk's position on stopping the the conservative the boats, not the conservative government. that government. so any chance that you'll reform uk and you'll be joining reform uk and running on that ticket at the next election ? next election? >> well, of course there are under plans. our policy mark. >> so and the thing is you've got to deliver it. um, and it

says or it's the labour party at the end of day and i c the end of the day and i c c richard tice was very kind to lee anderson and i, but, uh, you know, been know, i'm a lifer. i've been a party member for 25 years. it's like football team me. like my football team for me. so, um, no, i'm very much very so, um, no, i'm very much a very much a conservative for life. >> i do categorically rule out standing reform uk at the standing for reform uk at the next election . next election. >> me? no no, i'm very much the conservative, uh, mp for bassetlaw, the conservative candidate, and i hope to be for many years to come. >> mark, uh, brilliant to see you on the show, brendan. thank you on the show, brendan. thank you much for making the time. you so much for making the time. we been a busy 24 we know it's been a busy 24 hours you. my thanks. there hours for you. my thanks. there uh, mp uh, to the conservative mp brendan uh, brendan clarke—smith, uh, instant reaction from instant and quick reaction from tory peer lord bailey. instant and quick reaction from tory peer lord bailey . what do tory peer lord bailey. what do you think of what you've heard? do you think he should have abstained and at least taken the same route anderson, same route as lee anderson, which point, which is to make a point, i think if you're going to if you're down, you you're going to step down, you should the way that you should vote the way that you step down step for. down >> me, it's slightly >> so for me, it's slightly bizarre. the point i'd like to pick the idea of what pick up on is the idea of what the is doing. so the idea

the lords is doing. so the idea that mps will lean on the lords is doing. so the idea that lords mps will lean on the lords is doing. so the idea that lords to mps will lean on the lords is doing. so the idea that lords to mpsthem.ean on the lords is doing. so the idea that lords to mpsthem to n on the lords is doing. so the idea that lords to mpsthem to don the lords is doing. so the idea that lords to mpsthem to do the the lords to get them to do the right well, actually, the right thing, well, actually, the right thing, well, actually, the right lords to right thing in the lords is to test the law to, to refine the law. think problem law. and i think the problem that pm now has, he may have that the pm now has, he may have made himself a hostage to fortune because can, fortune because the lords can, can, for can, can hold something back for a the a whole year. now the conservative peers. i don't sense any desire to do that, but many of the crossbenchers and laboun many of the crossbenchers and labour, lib dem will the lords kill the rwanda bill? i couldn't, i couldn't answer, i don't know, but what i do, but they don't want to stop the boats, do they, the lords? it depends if you ask some of my lords, absolutely want to lords, they absolutely want to stop the and want stop the boats and really want to immigration. but the to reduce immigration. but the point is, the job of the lords is refine the law, and that is to refine the law, and that is to refine the law, and that is within our right to look at that. people such as that. and when people such as that. and when people such as that about it not being that mp talk about it not being workable, lord will workable, any decent lord will have to well, okay, let's have to say, well, okay, let's have to say, well, okay, let's have okay. have to say, well, okay, let's havcould okay. have to say, well, okay, let's havcould be okay. have to say, well, okay, let's havcould be workable. >> could be workable. >> could be workable. >> you think about >> amy, what do you think about this situation? >> amy, what do you think about thiswell,tion? got issue of >> well, we've got the issue of the haven't the planes haven't you. >> because no commercial airliners to involved airliners want to be involved with it'd be quite hard airliners want to be involved wi'get it'd be quite hard airliners want to be involved wi'get the it'd be quite hard airliners want to be involved wi'get the planes3e quite hard airliners want to be involved wi'get the planes offjuite hard airliners want to be involved wi'get the planes off thee hard airliners want to be involved wi'get the planes off the tarmac to get the planes off the tarmac if you haven't got planes raaf.

>> do you think do you think >> so do you think do you think that dead and that the rwanda plan is dead and buned? that the rwanda plan is dead and buriewould hope would be >> i would hope it would be because supreme court found because the supreme court found it illegal. and i just it to be illegal. and i just can't understand how paying for hundred million pounds to send 200 people to rwanda could be solving you said 300 people arrived today , so it wouldn't arrived today, so it wouldn't even cover . it wouldn't even even cover. it wouldn't even coven cover. >> coven >> it sends a message because i think if you're a people smuggler , you then you then say smuggler, you then you then say you then say, well, they never turn you back in britain. and it looks like. >> well, well. allison briefly , >> well, well. allison briefly, if you can, amy raises a very interesting point, is, interesting point, which is, notwithstanding the legal issues around rwanda , is it worth the money? >> it's intended to be a deterrent . and that worked deterrent. and that worked incredibly well in australia . incredibly well in australia. the minute they started processing their legal migrants offshore, it really, really worked. but we've got suella braverman former home secretary and jenrick former and robert jenrick former immigration saying immigration minister, saying this bill is, you know, the lawyers, the lefty lawyers will run rings around it, making individual claims.

run rings around it, making individual claims . and the individual claims. and the maddest thing this week, mark, was rishi sunak saying he was going hire 150 judges to going to hire 150 judges to speed up these claims that they're expecting to come through. and a lady from the judiciary said, not on your nellie . there go. more nellie. there you go. so more madness . madness. >> more madness. uh, listen, folks, lots more to through. folks, lots more to get through. coming tv star aj odudu coming up after tv star aj odudu said being working class was more of a career obstacle than being black. has the left's fixation on race meant they've abandoned the british working class? my press pack gets stuck into that very shortly as we look at tomorrow's front pages . look at tomorrow's front pages. but next, as a shocking new book claims that bbc journalist martin bashir makes prince william's blood boil, did the disgraced star get off too lightly and after he reveals details of his enlarged prostate, is king charles guilty of oversharing ? fearless royal of oversharing? fearless royal journalist angela levin joins me for another royal dispatch. that's .

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news is . news is. >> welcome back to patrick christys tonight with me, mark dolan. only on gb news. tomorrow's papers coming. but first angela levin is here with the royal dispatch . now it's the royal dispatch. now it's been a difficult period for prince william, the prince of wales, who was today visiting

his wife catherine in hospital after she underwent successful abdominal surgery. but wills is also in the headlines after robert hardman's new book claims that a certain journalist quote makes his blood boil. martin bashir, the disgraced bbc journo, was found to have used forgery and deception to gain his infamous sit down with the late princess diana, forcing the broadcaster to release thousands of emails about how the controversial interview was allowed to happen. but she has since resigned from his role as the bbc's religion editor. but does william think he got to off easy? i'm delighted to welcome royal biographer and broadcaster angela levin. angela, your reaction to this latest development in regards to martin bashir, do you think it's true that william can't stand him? >> yes, absolutely. william can't because he feels us all and he remembers all that his mother felt. he became the sort of man of the house once their marriage with her marriage with

charles broke down and he was responsible for her helping her stop crying . he used to push stop crying. he used to push tissues under the bathroom door when she was screaming, and she wouldn't come out, so he had a huge , difficult life during that huge, difficult life during that time. i mean, he took over all the responsibility . but a child the responsibility. but a child of 15 can't understand quite what to do. so he felt very frustrated that he couldn't help her, even though he really wanted to. and he said very much that bashir added to her fear, her paranoia , to and to her her paranoia, to and to her isolation because she was so scared , because she was told scared, because she was told that that, um, by bashir, that all the people who looked after her, the people who protected her, the people who protected her, were paid by the m15 and by the press . and so she needed to the press. and so she needed to be very careful. so she was very, very, very scared. she

couldn't confide in them. and she just was, you know , in she just was, you know, in a terrible state. poor woman. >> well, bashir misled diana in order to secure her agreement to do the interview. yes. and it wasn't in diana's best interest to do that. panorama interview, was it? and that interview set in train what would proved to be a tragic set of events for diana leading to her death? >> yes , i believe that's when it >> yes, i believe that's when it went wrong. >> wasn't it really that interview ? interview? >> that's of course, a huge region why william , um, region reason why william, um, hates it beyond all measures, because he now sees what a happy family is like with his own family is like with his own family and he now realises how awful it was for both, um, charles and diana. he says that it a hugely affected the marriage because she was so scared and having, you know, sort of mental difficulties to times it made it very , very hard times it made it very, very hard for her. so it was the cruellest

thing. >> and after that interview, she lost her royal title and it all went downhill, didn't it? >> yes. i don't think she minded . and using losing the royal title, but she still loved the monarchy. um, and it was just that she felt that she was being , um, followed and that nobody would trust her. and she had no one she could talk to . it was it one she could talk to. it was it was terrible. and of course , as was terrible. and of course, as bashir said, he couldn't be talking to the bbc because he was too ill and he wasn't still not being talked to. he's well now and nothing is done by the bbc. still, it's absolutely shocking . shocking. >> i mean, i know it's strong language, but some people feel that bashir or the bbc have blood on their hands. >> yes , they do have blood on >> yes, they do have blood on their because , um, in their hands because, um, in 1996, a year after the documentary on panorama , the documentary on panorama, the mail discovered that these, um, things were forged at the bank. so to prove that they were , um, so to prove that they were, um, you know, money was being taken and paid to the m15, it was all

and paid to the m15, it was all a forgery. and the bbc looked at it and they do internal investigations, not external ones. and they said everything was fine . so he stayed fine was fine. so he stayed fine until a judge . in december 2023 until a judge. in december 2023 said, you know, we've got to see everything. we've got to know what's going on. now. if you think of how long that's gone on, it's absolutely appalling. but know, things were found but you know, things were found wrong one year later, dodgy bank statements , dodgy bank statements, dodgy bank statements, dodgy bank statements and, um, and it's just been heartbreaking . just been heartbreaking. >> and of course, the bbc and martin bashir would strenuously deny any links to what would ultimately prove to be diana's tragic death, which happened in paris . uh, outside of their paris. uh, outside of their control . but look, you can it's control. but look, you can it's like a shakespeare play, isn't it? the seeds of tragedy were sown, an interview sown, you know, an interview that have that she shouldn't have done gossip she was lied gossip about her. she was lied to. she was misled . and now to. she was misled. and now she's lost her children. >> half the time because they were with charles. so, yes, that's really because after that interview , that's when it was

interview, that's when it was war with charles, wasn't it? >> yes, of course, that was the main. that was the hand grenade, that interview. >> know >> she didn't know what to do, you it was just very you see. so it was just very difficult. and so she would lose her would cry , she her temper, she would cry, she would and it was william would scream. and it was william who to help her. can you who tried to help her. can you imagine that? so difficult for him. >> tragic. now, angela, before we lose you, let's talk about the king's health indeed his the king's health and indeed his daughter in law as well. the king going to attend hospital king is going to attend hospital next wife, next week, but his wife, camilla, the queen, was quick to allay any fears. yes, that we'll hear. hean >> he's fine, thank you. >> he's fine, thank you. >> absolute well, she needs to be careful on that snow. >> of course, king charles has been very open about his health after released after the palace released a statement read in common statement that read in common with men year , with thousands of men each year, the king has sought treatment for prostate. his for an enlarged prostate. his majesty's condition is benign and hospital next and he'll attend hospital next week for a corrective procedure. now laudable that now angela, it's laudable that the king wants to draw attention to this issue of prostate problems that men have at a

certain age. but this is a break from tradition, isn't it? the queen would never have shared that much information about her health. >> oh, never. it never . you >> oh, never. it never. you would never until she'd would never know until she'd been to perhaps hospital and had what she needed to be done and then got home. then she would say something . it's very, very say something. it's very, very rare indeed. is it inappropriate? well i don't think it's appropriate to come out with it on the same day that we were astonished by catherine's , um, problem in catherine's, um, problem in hospital, i think that it could have waited, but i think as well it's very quick. it was only discovered a week or so ago in scotland and, um, and obviously , scotland and, um, and obviously, you know, once you know about these things, you have to have them done quickly . but i just them done quickly. but i just felt i admire him enormously for encouraging people to do it . and encouraging people to do it. and he is an example. and especially he's fit and he eats well and all that. so people should, if they feel that way , you know, go they feel that way, you know, go and see a doctor .

they feel that way, you know, go and see a doctor. but on the other hand, i just felt it was a bit too much. we don't want to see these royals as as actual humans, did we? >> even when the queen was very poorly, we knew little of her health condition. >> well, we do, we don't. we want them to be both extraordinary, wonderful people that can and also that we can admire and also ordinary people who have the feelings that we do. but that's emotional feeling . and, you emotional feeling. and, you know, it's very difficult . i know, it's very difficult. i think it was a difficult one. >> i think less is more personally. but look, um, good luck to him. it's coming from personally. but look, um, good lucirightim. it's coming from personally. but look, um, good luciright place.; coming from personally. but look, um, good luciright place. um,|ing from personally. but look, um, good luciright place. um, catherine, the right place. um, catherine, a two week stay in hospital . um, a two week stay in hospital. um, she likely won't be seen performing public duties until after easter. this is not a trivial matter for the family. she has three children, after all. >> yes . it's, an.— >> yes. it's, um, very disappointing and very worrying because it is a long time. um, and you can see that there is concern because william is also not going to do any working. not only is he visiting, of course, and looking after the children, but he's going to be very close

to once she gets home and be to her once she gets home and be with which is , i think, with her, which is, i think, a wonderful thing to do and to put the family first shows you just how it is and how much how important it is and how much he's lost by the fact that his mother was so badly treated. but i that, um, we have to i think that, um, we have to recognise that she's eton. eton? well that she does a lot of sport , but that she's a strong sport, but that she's a strong woman , she has a busy life and woman, she has a busy life and she has much yearning to have her family , and she loves them her family, and she loves them so much that that will help her get well . but, you know, if she get well. but, you know, if she has to take that time, of course she does. and we mustn't try and work out exactly what it is. but it is worry , and i think it's it is worry, and i think it's very worrying to have three members of the royal family unable to do what they should do . and here you have the ordinary person's anguish , but we expect person's anguish, but we expect them to be perfect at all times and ready to do all their duties. >> most definitely. well, we wish the princess of wales well andindeed wish the princess of wales well

and indeed the king. and thank you so much forjoining us. you're back with nana on saturday. of course. nana is on air three yes. air from three till six. yes. and you're unmissable and you're an unmissable ingredient, are you not? >> i would argue the >> i would argue you're the jewel crown that show. jewel in the crown of that show. but don't her that, will you? >> no, you? >> no, no , you? >> no, no, no, nana will kill me . she'll give an absolute . she'll give me an absolute kicking my thanks to kicking for that. my thanks to fearless royal journalist angela levin after tv star aj levin coming up after tv star aj odudu said being working class was more of a career obstacle than being black. has the left's fixation on race meant that they've abandoned the british working class? but next we've got tomorrow's front pages with my top panel. don't go anywhere you're watching patrick christys tonight with me, mark dolan, only

into to, um, a something like an abortion procedure , you're abortion procedure, you're listening . to. listening. to. >> well , come listening. to. >> well, come back to the listening. to. >> well , come back to the show >> well, come back to the show and let's have a look at tomorrow's front pages . tomorrow's front pages. >> and thank you, faye. we start with the metro and warning as uk freezes over, nhs ice advice

walk like a penguin. you couldn't make it up, could you? the i newspaper government orders inquiry into second post office. it scandal claims daily express hunt plots big tax cuts in budget jeremy hunt, the chancellor , has given his chancellor, has given his strongest signal yet that he'll deliver massive tax cuts for millions in weeks. the chancellor believes that as inflation falls, his march budget will allow room for reducing personal taxation, which in turn would help boost economic growth and also prince william, the prince of wales, visits kate in hospital as she recovers from her operation . recovers from her operation. daily mail online trolls attacking william for looking after his wife and children are so spiteful , after his wife and children are so spiteful, and after his wife and children are so spiteful , and the sussexes so spiteful, and the sussexes are like two limpets sucking nutrients out of the rusty hull of the royal yacht. elegantly put as ever by jan moir. don't defy will of the people, rishi warns the house of lords in relation to his rwanda

legislation and the telegraph . legislation and the telegraph. nato warns of war with russia in the next 20 years, and lords plan to delay rwanda law led by laboun plan to delay rwanda law led by labour, now let's have a look at another story from the telegraph in the company. by the way of my top panel tonight. i'm delighted top panel tonight. i'm delighted to have the telegraph column missed. allison pearson, conservator of peer lord bailey , conservator of peer lord bailey, no less, and author and broadcaster amy nicole turner. let's have a look at this story and it is in the telegraph . a and it is in the telegraph. a second school accused of islamophobia may be forced to close its doors over its head. teacher's decision to ban children from wearing pro—palestinian badges berkeley primary school in leyton, east london, sent a letter to parents warning that it may have to revert to online learning if the safety of children and staff cannot be guaranteed after it had received bomb threats over the policy. amy, do you not think the school are right to

keep politics out of the classroom? >> well, well, i originally supported berkeley primary school, and i said that the child should be allowed to wear the badge because knew the story. >> the child had family that had died in i also know that died in gaza. i also know that the school previously stopped children from fasting during ramadan, done ramadan, so the school has done wrong . but my opinion, but wrong. but in my opinion, but this this is not right. the school has been has received a bomb threat. it says here over the policy, which obviously is outrageous and puts at risk the safety of the children. i don't think the school can stay open at all. i think they've had to have support from the police already um, really shocking. already. um, really shocking. well it is shocking, sean. >> think suggests >> i think it suggests that there our there are communities in our country do not respect the country who do not respect the rule of law. >> level of bullying >> look, the level of bullying and that's gone on and intimidation that's gone on here amazing . and think here is amazing. and i think there should some police there should be some police involvement lot involvement because a lot of this driven things this has been driven by things that happened on tiktok or that have happened on tiktok or whatever. if you do whatever. and if you do something cause, you know, whatever. and if you do soyou hing cause, you know, whatever. and if you do soyou hing offend;e, you know, whatever. and if you do soyouhing offend someoneow, if you if you offend someone online, apparently police online, apparently the police come you for that. but

come and visit you for that. but for this, that's causing real disruption. for this, that's causing real disrup to n. at because needs to look at this because this kind of online profiling is leading to real problems in the world. >> however you could, and hold on. >> and the other thing about the school, this reaction makes the school, this reaction makes the school what they're school correct what they're trying move away from trying to do is move away from politics. they try not to be involved. trying to just involved. they're trying to just be school educate some be a school and educate some very and this very young children. and this level makes them level of intimidation makes them right. course, if you're right. and of course, if you're a teacher there, the governors now must be terrified because they have a fiduciary duty to keep those teachers safe. if something happens to one of those governors those teachers, the governors will that's why will feel bad. and that's why they're about not, you they're talking about not, you know, amy, i just think it's important to say that can't important to say that you can't level at a community. level this at a community. >> me this could be just one community. >> i used the word community. >> i used the word community. >> i used the word community. >> i never that's the >> i never okay, that's the thing problem with thing i have a problem with because, somebody in the because, well, somebody in the community these bomb community is issuing these bomb threats. this threat doesn't represent that represent those parents that were concerned that their son couldn't wear that badge. but it's a member of the community that doesn't respect the rule of law, and it's likely connected

to a particular religion or community culturally , that's community culturally, that's that's who else is making this threat other than somebody extreme? >> mark, i tell you. i tell you what, it's not a jump. because if you look at what's been going on online, there have been tiktok videos making assumptions and accusations, and they've been viewed , in one case, over been viewed, in one case, over 250,000 times. there's somebody manipulating. >> well, alison, i think this has echoes of the batley school teacher who is still in hiding. yeah, i don't know if that person has had their identity changed. the family, whether he's gone back to teaching . but he's gone back to teaching. but but this is a worrying development, isn't it? >> i think what we see, we've seen several instances seen it in several instances before christmas. people will remember there were largely muslim children with muslim school children with a couple of white teachers taking a day off school to go to a pro—palestine march , totally pro—palestine march, totally breaking all school attendance rules. and i disagree with amy. i think we can say that there particularly are element parts in the muslim community who use

causes like this, and they heavily politicise them. they whip them up into , um, a kind of whip them up into, um, a kind of cause, a sort of you know, a battle cry. and it's really, really it's extreme , really really it's extreme, really disturbing. and before christmas, also , mark, you'll christmas, also, mark, you'll remember, um, the mp for bethnal green and tower hamlets , green and tower hamlets, actually a muslim lady, um, had actually a muslim lady, um, had a vast protest outside her office and muslim constituents because she had decided that she was not going to vote for the ceasefire in gaza . she's ceasefire in gaza. she's perfectly entitled to do that. >> so and that was a mob that turned up. >> it was a mob. and we are seeing not all muslim parents. i'm sure some will be very upset that this is happening to their children's school. we are seeing, uh, aggressive elements within community whips within the community which whips up this and the up instances like this and the batley . the batley up instances like this and the batley is . the batley up instances like this and the batley is a . the batley up instances like this and the batley is a key . the batley up instances like this and the batley is a key example itley up instances like this and the batley is a key example .ley school is a key example. >> that teacher not be on school is a key example. >> run. teacher not be on school is a key example. >> run. that1er not be on school is a key example. >> run. that teacher not be on school is a key example. >> run. that teacher didiol be on school is a key example. >> run. that teacher did note on school is a key example. >> run. that teacher did not do n the run. that teacher did not do anything wrong and be anything wrong and should be still is point still in work, which is my point about the rule of law which is falling apart this country. falling apart in this country. amy, one thought for falling apart in this country. amy,you've one thought for falling apart in this country. amy,you've orone|ought for falling apart in this country.

amy,you've orone child, for falling apart in this country. amy,you've orone child, one you. you've got one child, one aged nine nine. can i ask you a question? the hell is question? what the hell is a primary child doing primary school child doing wearing a flag at a primary school ? school? >> that child had family members that died in gaza. >> why isn't why is a primary school child engaged in politics? it's just not right. >> is it politics? is it the. >> is it politics? is it the. >> the flags are political . >> the flags are political. >> the flags are political. >> hang on, hang on. the child had said that they were speaking to children on on facetime. their family members in gaza. and then the parents had to explain to them that those children were not alive anymore. so that child felt moved to represent his community by wearing a palestine flag , which wearing a palestine flag, which is which is a political symbol. >> there shouldn't be flags >> and there shouldn't be flags other the british flag in other than the british flag in a primary school. >> mark. that's not very empathetic is it? >> but, but but, amy, you're forgetting, it's forgetting, i don't think it's appropriate old appropriate for a nine year old to school with flags. to go into school with flags. the that could have on the impact that could have on the other children. and i maintain this, the have maintain this, the school have probably to step probably said we need to step away from politics because it has that we has a effect on children that we cannot control. and while one child feel good what child may feel good about what

they're doing, it may make several children bad. so several children feel bad. so what? have tried what? the school have tried to do it. and then what? the school have tried to do had it. and then what? the school have tried to do had people|d then what? the school have tried to do had people online whip up you've had people online whip up an attack and that's my problem. the looking the police should be looking into who's up this into who's whipping up this attack you're talking attack because you're talking about teachers and about the safety of teachers and some very, very young children . some very, very young children. and very unfortunate that and it's very unfortunate that he's go on. he's been allowed to go on. >> lisa, should we the >> uh, lisa, should we do the fascinating age story before or after because it's an after the break? because it's an absolute corker . okay well, absolute corker. okay well, look, i'm fascinated by this one popular big brother presenter aj odudu has set the cat among the pigeons, as she claimed that being working class has been more of a career obstacle than being black. the 35 year old grew up in blackburn with seven siblings and clearly feels her social background has hindered her more than her race. shaun, can we talk about this? the left is very focussed on race and of course we have racism in our country, but is it at the expense of the focus on race at the expense of the working class? >> to a large extent , yes. i am >> to a large extent, yes. i am black and working class and have experienced both of these

paradigms. will say, paradigms. the thing i will say, where slightly , be where i differ slightly, be let's make a victims let's not make a victims olympics . it isn't because olympics. it isn't because you're class. in you're working class. you're in a than a black a worse place than a black person. what it is both those person. what it is both of those things challenge. that's things are a challenge. that's what's but what's really going on. but let's even if you are a let's be clear even if you are a successful working class person, you've had to work you've often had to work a little bit harder and had one lady to saying lady explain it to me by saying it longer. so she it just takes longer. so she elevated herself quite far in the legal and in the legal profession. but she pointed out, i are i am work with people who are five ten my junior in five and ten years my junior in age because of my class. ironically the same thing can be said if you're black. the one crucial difference, though , if crucial difference, though, if you are black, you're far more likely to find someone who has a problem with you because you're black. then your working class and also you can't change being black. you can't cover up . black. you can't cover it up. you probably work with people that nice and posh that you think are nice and posh and accent to and have changed their accent to for . i will never for their career. i will never change the way i look. i'm proud of and like being of being black and i like being black, there's nothing black, and there's nothing i could it anyway. amy could do about it anyway. amy have forgotten about have the left forgotten about the working class ?

the working class? >> things are >> both these things are barriers in their separate ways , barriers in their separate ways, but i think in the entertainment industry tree, it is the case that being working class can completely prevent you from being able to get anywhere because the industry depends on you able either work you being able to either work for start of your for free at the start of your career, little, and career, or for very little, and then once you're in a little bit, you need to be able to take risks to get your big break. normally have risks to get your big break. norrfamily have risks to get your big break. norrfamily support have risks to get your big break. norrfamily support or have risks to get your big break. norrfamily support or a have risks to get your big break. norrfamily support or a wealthy risks to get your big break. norrfamso support or a wealthy risks to get your big break. norrfamso iupport or a wealthy risks to get your big break. norrfamso i can»rt or a wealthy risks to get your big break. norrfamso i can seer a wealthy risks to get your big break. norrfamso i can seer a wsomeone spouse. so i can see how someone from a working class background would to one side, would just put that to one side, which maybe why they're which is maybe why they're underrepresented, but also underrepresented, but also underrepresented black underrepresented are black people the arts. so people across the arts. so there's two things going on okay, final thoughts on this, alison. >> is it helpful ? what aj odudu >> is it helpful? what aj odudu has had to say? >> i think she's absolutely right. i think labour's got words for sexism and racism, islamophobia, homophobia , don't islamophobia, homophobia, don't have working class phobia. do you? yeah. in my line of work , you? yeah. in my line of work, mark, national newspaper mark, i'm a national newspaper columnist . you count on the columnist. you can count on the fingers of one and a half hands. the of in that the number of us in that position, who educated in a position, who were educated in a comprehensive media

position, who were educated in a co dominated'e media position, who were educated in a codominated by media position, who were educated in a co dominated by the media position, who were educated in a codominated by the privately1edia is dominated by the privately educated, who make up only 7% of the british population. and that means a homogenous few people who speak the same people who came from the same schools, people who eat the same food, people who eat the same food, people think same thing people who think the same thing and this is very bad, stifling for our country. well, allison pearson, writing in the telegraph, this week, said she's fed up with people struggling with of cold weather, with a bit of cold weather, calling a generation of calling them a generation of puffer jacket wearing snowflakes will debate that next, plus more papers and greatest britain and union jackass.

okay, more front pages . are in okay, more front pages. are in hot off the press. let's have a look at what we've got. we start with the times teachers locked in for their own safety. ofsted tells of unruly pupils and no go areas. andrew and harry loos stand in role as the other royal story. the guardian netanyahu we will not accept a palestinian

state after gaza war. the sun hospital trip after princess op air for you kate mirror left to rot as bad teeth sent 100 bad teeth send 116 children a day to hospital . 40% are not getting hospital. 40% are not getting regular nhs check—ups a real concern about children's dentistry. okay folks, my brilliant press packer with me. alison pearson, lord bailey and amy nicholl turner . and we've amy nicholl turner. and we've got lots of stories to get through. but first of all, let me ask you, alison, briefly, if you can, writing in the telegraph , you've complained telegraph, you've complained about puffer jacket wearing snowflakes. you can't handle a bit of cold weather. tell me more. i've just said, listening to the weather forecast, you'd swear living swear we were all living in siberia . siberia. >> a bit cold, but because >> it's a bit cold, but because it's i'm going it's called winter now i'm going to something with viewers to share something with viewers they might find very shocking. i was exclusive source was told by an exclusive source that mark came today wearing that mark came in today wearing two puffer jackets that is the thatis two puffer jackets that is the that is the degree of snowflake three. it was we are talking it

was a double puffer and you know me, i'm a soft southerner . me, i'm a soft southerner. viewers will remember some older viewers will remember the cold, cold winter of 6263. it snowed on boxing day 62, and the snow didn't melt until almost easter. and it was cold. it was freezing and it was pre climate change. >> pre climate change. >> pre climate change. >> and people had one fire in the house. if they will. if they were lucky it was cold. >> if they were lucky, yes it was a great piece. i've got to say let's get to your say folks let's get to your nominations. so first of all your greatest britain allison pearson. >> greatest. that's come >> oh my greatest. that's come around fast. >> that's come around. don't mess around. >> my greatest is the >> my greatest britain is the workers the port talbot workers of the port talbot steelworks . some of the best steelworks. some of the best people. my country. fantastic people. my country. fantastic people . 3000 of them. tomorrow, people. 3000 of them. tomorrow, probably be going to be thrown out of work by the indian owned tata steel . giving into net zero tata steel. giving into net zero bollocks and punishing a beautiful community which cannot survive without that plant it. >> oh, there you go, tata would

of course challenge that. and i've got no doubt they'll be doing the best for their workers. sean, briefly, if you can. your greatest, greatest. >> tata steel? no, it's >> is it tata steel? no, it's prosperity . prosperity. >> i think they're very nice people. it's prosperity. >> oh, brilliant . >> cancer uk. oh, brilliant. with our king having having a look at his nether regions. yeah. prostate cancer is one of the biggest killers of men under the biggest killers of men under the age of 50. so i really do believe that it's a great it's a great charity. doing great research, many men research, keeping many men alive. well done , well done. alive. well done, well done. >> king charles, briefly, if you can turn amy your. >> you're laughing at him saying nether regions nothing else , nether regions and nothing else, but, , who has but, um, rachel reeves, who has said that we can use the 400 million from labour and accept paul kagame's offer and put the money into processing the asylum backlog much more useful . backlog much more useful. >> so get 400 million back and spend 3 billion a year accommodating people in hotels. make it make sense. >> processing the asylum claims . mark. >> there you go. okay, well, look, it is all about opinions. i'm going to give that one to alison and the steelworks at

port talbot. okay alison, really just your nomination, please , just your nomination, please, for union jackass. >> sir keir starmer as the uk is this week. hooray banning the dreadful islamist terrorist organisation hizb ut—tahrir. it emerges that keir starmer actually acted as a human rights barrister to overturn the ban on hizb ut—tahrir here in germany . hizb ut—tahrir here in germany. a really big question mark over what this man would do as prime minister with terrorist organisations. >> okay , well, look, he's >> okay, well, look, he's streets ahead in the polls. many think it's time change. sean think it's time for change. sean briefly, your union jackass. >> my union jackass is university challenge , which used university challenge, which used to be a great british institution, it's become institution, but it's now become a collection of wokery and political correctness. the great british kyrees should stay great. >> well, and then last but not least is amy. i know you're therese coffey. for her embarrassing rwanda moments, folks. i'm going to give it to shaun bailey for university challenge. boring woke and not even clever anymore. unlike my pundits. thanks for your company. i'm back tomorrow at eight. headliners is next. >> a brighter outlook with boxt

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sunny day for the bulk of the uk. bit uk. we've got a bit more of a westerly wind, will be a westerly wind, so it will be a bit breezier on the coast, but that does that the that does mean that the temperatures will little that does mean that the ten higher res will little that does mean that the ten higher than ill little that does mean that the tenhigher than recent little that does mean that the ten higher than recent days.e bit higher than recent days. 6 or 7 degrees south—west or 7 degrees in the south—west but still a fairly gloomy day with plenty more snow showers to come in the north—west. a very unsettled day on saturday for nonh unsettled day on saturday for north and western areas with the winds picking up as we see a marked in our weather for marked change in our weather for the weekend. so quite heavy rainfall to come parts of rainfall to come for parts of northern very many northern ireland and very many north of uk. north western areas of the uk. and as the temperatures start to climb the weekend, the climb through the weekend, the snow start to melt across snow will start to melt across much of scotland. so that could bnng much of scotland. so that could bring see bring some flooding issues. see you later . you later. >> elm- you later. >> feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> good evening with gb news news and the top story tonight, the prime minister says it's now up to the house of lords to do the right thing and pass his rwanda bill. so officials at heathrow airport late this afternoon met the prime minister he said, to highlight the importance of border security last night, the rwanda bill did pass through the house of commons unamended as well, with a majority of 44 voting for it and only 11 tory mps rebelling against it. mr sunak says peers must now support the legislation

as a matter of urgent national priority . well, the prime priority. well, the prime minister's plan to stop the boats comes as the home office confirms 358 people were intercepted trying to cross the engush intercepted trying to cross the english channel yesterday in eight small boats. that means 621 people have arrived in the uk in the last five days. despite the poor weather in the last two weeks. it's train tickets are twice as expensive when bought from platform ticket machines than those booked online. the consumer group, which says same day tickets are particularly high in cost and in their research , best value fares their research, best value fares were either unavailable or hidden among too many options. for example , a journey from for example, a journey from northampton to cardiff was found to cost £107 from a ticket machine , but was only £43 if machine, but was only £43 if bought online. an 2 in 5 railway stations don't have ticket offices now, so when passengers don't have access to tickets online, then the only option is

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