it? how would it even work? and be enforced? you tell me and get this a uk primary school may be forced to close its doors after being subjected . get this to being subjected. get this to bomb threats . after being bomb threats. after being labelled islamophobic , following labelled islamophobic, following them, banning the wearing of proper badges. one of my panel tonight says well, if there's a safety risk then yeah, the school should close. the other one, though, says never should we give in to the mob. what says you? also a question for you you? and also a question for you tonight. do you still think we need landlines ? do you have one. need landlines? do you have one. do you need it? would you miss it if you didn't have it? what about those things like your personal safety alarms and the rest of it that connect to them? would life more dangerous would life be more dangerous without get in touch without landlines? get in touch and tell me and this story without landlines? get in touch and tedid1e and this story without landlines? get in touch and tedid catchi this story without landlines? get in touch and te did catch mys story without landlines? get in touch and te did catch my eye. ry without landlines? get in touch and te did catch my eye. let's really did catch my eye. let's all face it. right, dog poo that has been abandoned is an absolute nuisance. what do you do about it then? right? because the province in italy is decided that enough is enough, what they're do is build they're going to do is build a dna yes you heard that dna database. yes you heard that right. all earners forced to

provide a dna sample from their pooch. any lacking brown stuff will then be picked up, checked the owner, tracked down and fined. good idea or not. should we follow suit in this country . we follow suit in this country. yes, indeed. i've got all of that and lots more in the next houn that and lots more in the next hour. but before we get stuck into all those debates, let's cross live for tonight's latest news headlines . news headlines. >> michelle. thank you. your top stories from the gb newsroom. tata steel has confirmed up to 2800 jobs will be affected by its plan to close furnaces at its plan to close furnaces at its port talbot site. the cuts will be made over the next 18 months as the company transitions to a greener way of working. the unite union says it's ready to use everything in its armoury to protect staff and defend the industry. barry evans has been working at the steelworks for 28 years.

>> obviously devastate . did, um >> obviously devastate. did, um let down by tata and the uk government. we do feel there's an opportunity to we understand we've got to go green. but but a transition should be over decades, not months . decades, not months. >> downing street says the job losses are not as a result of the prime minister's net zero target. rishi sunak says the government remains committed to british steel, making the government provided half £1 billion to support tata. >> the alternative, by the way, was that the entire plant would be closed and all 8000 jobs would be lost. but the government worked with the company, provided half £1 billion. company is billion. the company is investing money in order to investing more money in order to safeguard thousands of jobs, and that's something the uk that's something that the uk government welsh government has done. the welsh government participate government did not participate in that's because we in that, and that's because we cared those jobs and the cared about those jobs and the future of steelmaking in wales cared about those jobs and the fututhef steelmaking in wales cared about those jobs and the fututhe ukaelmaking in wales cared about those jobs and the fututhe uk .3lmaking in wales and the uk. >> but the labour leader, sir keir starmer, says he's concerned about the future of the industry . the industry. >> i was there just in october,

so i know how this is going to impact on the workforce. the government said it had a plan for steel. it transpires the plan involves thousands of redundancies . there's a better redundancies. there's a better plan, a multi—union plan that the government needs to look at again, that's a viable way forward. it's vital that we have a viable steel industry in the united kingdom. labour's got a plan in for that viable future , plan in for that viable future, not just for the next year or two, but for decades to come. >> police say a newborn baby was less than an hour old when she was found in a shopping bag in east london. the child, who's been named elsa, was discovered wrapped in a towel by a dog walker in newham. uninjured, she is said to be black or of mixed race. efforts are now being made to find the little girl's mother i >> -- >> we are extremely concerned for her welfare as she will have been through a traumatic ordeal and will be in need of immediate medical attention following the birth. trained medics and

specialist officers are ready to support her and we urge her to get in touch by phone or walk into the nearest hospital or police station . police station. >> police say four people found dead at a house near norwich are thought to have all been from the same family. the bodies of two young girls, a 45 year old man and a 36 year old woman were discovered at a home in costessey this morning . norfolk costessey this morning. norfolk police at this stage it's police say at this stage it's being isolated being treated as an isolated incident , but detectives are incident, but detectives are keeping an open mind . prince keeping an open mind. prince harry has withdrawn his libel case against the mail on sunday. the duke of sussex says instead he wants to focus on the safety of his family and his legal action against the home office. he was suing the mail on sunday over a story about his dispute with the government department and his security arrangements . and his security arrangements. he'll now have to pay associated newspapers legal costs as well as his own. he's been ordered to pay as his own. he's been ordered to pay almost 48,500 pounds on

account before the end of the year. account before the end of the year . king account before the end of the year. king charles has returned to sandringham from scotland ahead of his hospital visit. he's due to be treated for a benign, enlarged prostate next week. the monarch has said he's keen to go public with the condition to encourage other men to get checked . and japan has to get checked. and japan has made contact with its spacecraft after it successfully landed on the moon. it's become the fifth country in the world to do so. the ship, dubbed moon sniper, landed within 100m of a location near the crater on the near side of the moon. the craft is communicating with the control room on earth, but it appears the solar generators are not working at the moment, so it's reliant entirely on its battery. we'll keep you updated on that. those are your top stories on gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to .

michelle >> thanks for that. tatiana michelle dewberry , i'm with you michelle dewberry, i'm with you till 7:00 tonight. we went over that king charles story about the prostate, didn't we last night? did you see today the website, the nhs website about that condition. uh when i looked at it this morning, it had about 1,000% uplift in the traffic . so 1,000% uplift in the traffic. so there go. he wanted to raise there you go. he wanted to raise awareness and done that. so awareness and he's done that. so yeah. awareness and he's done that. so yeah . applause to him. salute yeah. applause to him. salute him. i just only hope that that all of you that have got concerns off the back of that, i hope that able to get in hope that you're able to get in and get the tests, etc, that you need, that the need, because that is the problem, isn't it? it's great raising awareness, but what do you if indeed you have that you do if indeed you have that challenge? into you do if indeed you have that challdoctor, into you do if indeed you have that challdoctor, etc? into you do if indeed you have that challdoctor, etc? it into you do if indeed you have that challdoctor, etc? it can into you do if indeed you have that challdoctor, etc? it can be into your doctor, etc? it can be worrying times. can't it? anyway, michelle dewberry anyway, i am michelle dewberry i'm till seven i'm with you till seven alongside panel, alongside me. i've got my panel, alongside me. i've got my panel, a conservative peer and member of the london assembly, lord bailey, and the firemen and trade embry. good trade unionist paul embry. good evening to both of and you evening to both of you. and you know you? it's know the drill, don't you? it's not through here.

not just about us through here. it's about you guys at it's very much about you guys at home. what's on your mind tonight? get in touch tonight? you can get in touch with all the usual ways. gb with me all the usual ways. gb views at gb news. you can views at gb news. com or you can tweet or x me whatever we tweet me or x me whatever we call it these days at gb news. and sometimes when i'm going through selection, through my story selection, i come things that a come up with things that are a little bit, know, a little little bit, you know, a little bit random, a little out of bit random, a little bit out of the ordinary. when picked the ordinary. when i picked out my story, i did get some my dog poo story, i did get some strange looks, but i can tell you now, many of you, uh, are getting in about that getting in touch about that story because you share story tonight because you share my frustration about wandering around just all of around and you just see all of this discarded the this stuff discarded on the sidewalk, one picking up sidewalk, no one picking it up off pavements. we've got off the pavements. we've got a potential solution at potential solution for you at the of program. and you the end of the program. and you know else i saw today? know what else i saw today? there's much doom and gloom, there's so much doom and gloom, uh, world at uh, going on in this world at the isn't there? and i the moment. isn't there? and i saw um, you seen saw this, um, have you seen this? an auction is going to be taking place soon, right? for a key part, um, can earn a key key part, um, you can earn a key part of winston churchill, right? do think it is? right? what do you think it is? everybody nothing other everybody knows nothing other than teeth. heard than his false teeth. you heard that right. winston churchill's false teeth are going to be

auctioned next month. right apparently, they reckon the starting price is going to be about £8,000. i wouldn't mind. it's not. it's not even a full set. there's only a few teeth on that palette. i the mind boggles as to who earth would sit as to who on earth would sit there and go, i've got eight grand burning a hole in the back pocket. i know what i need to do with cash, but buy winston with that cash, but buy winston churchill's teeth. >> why couldn't >> is that why you couldn't ever say word he used to say the word nazi? he used to say the word nazi? he used to say , didn't it? well, yeah, say nazi, didn't it? well, yeah, that's probably why. yeah so he used it. used tongue around it. >> so the context of it is >> yeah. so the context of it is like teeth are on like like these teeth are on like obviously a bit of a palate. and apparently that palate helped him. kind of speech him. um with his kind of speech when he was giving some of those quite um, speeches. quite key, um, speeches. what are going with those are you going to do with those teeth? going to put them teeth? you're going to put them in a jar at the side of your bed. to look at bed. you're going to look at them. what are you going to them. what what are you going to do? and tell me if you like do? and tell me if you are like an auction purchaser and you've got money burning a in your got money burning a hole in your back pocket, is the most back pocket, what is the most random that you have ever random thing that you have ever bought auction or bought at an auction or somewhere in touch and

somewhere else? get in touch and tell me all of your thoughts tonight. it's friday. we can do things a bit differently on this program, why not? uh, program, can't we? why not? uh, but what? there's lot but you know what? there's a lot of stuff going on today. of serious stuff going on today. you'll be familiar with this news. am sure it's really bad news. i am sure it's really bad for news welsh community. for news a welsh community. tata steel about. steel is what i'm talking about. there's of hemming and there's a bit of hemming and hawing what perhaps was hawing about what perhaps was going well, now going to happen here. well, now we jobs across uk. we know 2800 jobs across the uk. uh, sadly, looking like uh, very sadly, looking like they're going to be the they're going to be lost. the vast majority will be vast majority of those will be in port talbot of course, that is in south wales. now, before we into uh, just we get into this, uh, let's just we get into this, uh, let's just we cast our mind back we just cast our mind back because in a second we'll get into the whys and wherefores and we debate it but let's we can debate it all, but let's just get ourselves just kind of get ourselves familiar with, uh, with this actual site, the history of it and the rest of it. so uh, and all the rest of it. so uh, 1951, the abbey works was 1951, uh, the abbey works was built. it's of course, the built. now it's of course, the tata works 1960. it employed 18,000 people within a decade , 18,000 people within a decade, the town had become the biggest producer of steel in europe. its workforce was 18,000 people. uh, 18 1989 4000 people employed .

18 1989 4000 people employed. but after a series of ownership changes at just over 4000 people, by then it became tata steel. in two thousand and seven. uh, of course you'll be familiar with that is an indian company. uh, in 20 20, 16 and company. uh, in 20 20,16 and 19, you had lots more job losses. uh, we fast forward, of course, to 2023. the government announces, um , £500 million. announces, um, £500 million. it's going to help with, uh, green production , basically. and green production, basically. and today, here we are . uh, 2500 today, here we are. uh, 2500 jobs. put at risk. now, this is all because basically , uh, what all because basically, uh, what they're going to do is they're going to close down these two blast furnaces where they make virgin steel at the moment, and then they're going to move instead electric instead to an electric arc furnace , where basically they're furnace, where basically they're going recycle steel. that's furnace, where basically they're goingthey're'cle steel. that's furnace, where basically they're goingthey're goingeel. that's furnace, where basically they're goingthey're going to. that's furnace, where basically they're goingthey're going to do.at's furnace, where basically they're goingthey're going to do. sol what they're going to do. so it's a more , uh, um, it's a lot more, uh, um, effective when it comes to carbon emissions and all the rest that is the rest of it. that is the reasoning and rationale that they're upset they're giving. it is upset a great many people and understandably. will understandably. and this will absolutely decimate community absolutely decimate a community because not because the steelworks is not just employer. it's the

just a random employer. it's the heart of that community. generationally, people have worked there. it's your granddad's, your dad's , your granddad's, your dad's, your son's, and it's all a lot of people have ever known. what do you make to it? look, the first thing is the loss of so many jobs one place is always jobs in one place is always devastating, it isn't devastating, because it isn't just people who in just the people who work in there. >> it's of the other >> it's all of the other suppliers around them. of course, there's coffee shop course, if there's a coffee shop or shop or a pub or or sweet shop or a pub nearby, they lose half of their customers well . there's a customers as well. there's a real ripple effect in the community. think you look community. i think when you look at happened in this at what's happened in this country manufacturing, it's country with manufacturing, it's all away. when all been going away. and when i look of these different, look at all of these different, you electric furnace you know, this electric furnace versus gas one whatever, versus the gas one or whatever, they beforehand, they had beforehand, the real issue is it's an indian company who's its best for itself. who's doing its best for itself. and in its and it's and it's in its homeland india. and actually homeland in india. and actually what need is bring back what we need to do is bring back manufacturing our here. manufacturing of our own here. the important i don't the most important thing i don't want to hear, though, is retraining , because retraining people, because retraining people, because retraining people, because retraining people means nothing if no job to go to. and if there's no job to go to. and it brings me to real biggest it brings me to my real biggest bugbear why don't we a much bugbear why don't we have a much stronger industrial strategy for

this country? this country is not poor, but the wealth is concentrated in certain places. >> well, you tell me, because you're a tory, you're a tory, you're a tory, you're a tory, you're you're saying that as though you're you're that though you're you're saying that to charge. if i was in >> i'm in charge. if i was in charge, i would have a proper industrial strategy for the country. it is like country. because what it is like when when keir starmer says when even when keir starmer says it. keir starmer, give us it. okay, keir starmer, give us some details. what you mean? some details. what do you mean? because you had a labour government and they government before and they didn't better. you didn't do much better. do you remember rover plant remember when the rover plant closed down is pretty much the same situation? what mustn't same situation? what we mustn't do politicians though, is do is politicians though, is talk the government talk as if the government could somehow replace the market because sustainable. somehow replace the market because need;ustainable. somehow replace the market because need effective .e. you need you need effective industries compete and industries that can compete and so they then on so that they can then stand on their own feet and employ their own two feet and employ many people. >> i, you know, i'm >> i mean, i, you know, i'm desperate to back at you on desperate to come back at you on this, before i do, paul, this, but before i do, paul, i'll bring you in. >> well, it's a key strategic national concern. and it will, as shawn says, devastation national concern. and it will, as the |wn says, devastation national concern. and it will, as the local|ys, devastation national concern. and it will, as the local community, evastation national concern. and it will, as the local community, not:ation national concern. and it will, as the local community, not just] in the local community, not just to people involved. 3000 to the people involved. the 3000 who lose their jobs, who stand to lose their jobs, but local suppliers well. but to local suppliers as well. there's be that wider there's going to be that wider knock effect. to

knock on effect. it's going to be a catastrophe for that local community, it's the reality community, and it's the reality of our of the neglect of our manufacturing industry over the last as as last 40 years, as well as obviously, the rush to net zero. thatis obviously, the rush to net zero. that is a contributory factor in this because tata are so keen to decarbonise. we have to recognise that's a factor recognise that that's a factor in it and the trade union movement of i'm proud movement of which i'm a proud member, would be wise to admit that. i think because they've been fully behind kind of been fully behind the kind of militant green agenda and for me, the for me, the truth is we've got to take it into public ownership. when you have a concern like this, where it potentially, you know, is devastating in terms of the number of people who are going to be out of work and the knock on effects the local on effects on the local community and where it is actually key strategic community and where it is actually concern rategic community and where it is actually concern asegic community and where it is actually concern as well. you national concern as well. you know, we need to be as an industrial country, not as much as we were, but we need to be a steelmaker as an industrial country. right. steelmaker as an industrial coubut. right. steelmaker as an industrial cou but hold it. steelmaker as an industrial cou but hold on, steelmaker as an industrial coubut hold on, because >> but hold on, because these and therefore is too and therefore it is too important a concern, i think, to be allowed to go the tubes. be allowed to go down the tubes. >> it to be taken into >> so it needs to be taken into

pubuc >> so it needs to be taken into public ownership. >> it's also a concern the tata uk operations loses about £1 million day at the moment. million a day at the moment. well, you're talking well, that's you're talking about talking about are you talking about nationalising daily losses. >> f- p that's been >> well that's that's been questioned some people questioned actually some people are those are saying that that those figures are not accurate. but what do, michel, is what people don't do, michel, is they at the ongoing they don't look at the ongoing in effect for the of the in effect for the rest of the community, even if that were true, losing £1 true, that they were losing £1 million a day. what is this going to mean economically for south wales? is it going to south wales? what is it going to mean socially south people? mean socially for south people? use argument when use exactly that argument when margaret in the margaret thatcher in the 1980s closed mining industry, she closed the mining industry, she decimated industry. decimated the mining industry. in 250,000 men in the 80s through 250,000 men onto the scrap heap. and they did because thought we did it because they thought we can a pound note because we can save a pound note because we can save a pound note because we can import cheaper coal from elsewhere. what didn't elsewhere. but what they didn't reckon the that reckon for was the impact that that was to have the that was going to have on the pit villages, lasted for pit villages, which lasted for years many have still years after and many have still not and many have not recovered and many have still recovered. we need still not recovered. so we need to a lesson from that, to take a lesson from that, because it's not about the because it's not just about the money you save in the short money that you save in the short tum. it's about the social and economic impact. >> so here's the bits. >> i agree. so here's the bits. we agree the social impact

we do agree on the social impact is immeasurably and is immeasurably bad and something to about something needs to be done about it. clear you can't it. but let's be clear you can't take things national take things into national ownership that don't make ownership that simply don't make money, all you're money, because then all you're doing other people doing is forcing other people around country who around the country who are equally pay equally as struggling to pay into so you lower into that. so you lower everybody's but you everybody's economic, but you lower economic . lower everybody's economic. >> industry. yeah. >> a steel industry. yeah. >> a steel industry. yeah. >> we need we need steel. it >> no, we need we need steel. it would we a would be what we need is a competitive no, what we need is a competitive steel . a competitive steel. >> okay. so even if there isn't, if it just comes. if it isn't, it just comes. >> it becomes another bill for the public. and how many more bills can we take on even taking your argument, if that were true, you would say, therefore, britain have a steel britain should not have a steel industry isn't industry because it isn't a money industry and money making industry and therefore should do is therefore what we should do is we places like port we should close places like port talbot, then what do, talbot, and then what we'll do, as you know, is we'll just import steel, dirty steel, import our steel, dirty steel, as called from elsewhere, as it's called from elsewhere, from places like china. >> will be rubbing their >> it will be rubbing their hands wondering hands together and wondering exactly out, exactly what we're playing out, because tell you, it because i can tell you, it wouldn't happen in place. >> but what you're saying is, then you're for other then you're happy for other people country just to people in this country just to pay people in this country just to

pay out. because we pay money out. because we because our business doesn't stand up. you cannot that that thatis stand up. you cannot that that that is how you ruin an entire country . but but but it is country. but but but it is because if you then say, okay, we support the steel industry, okay, i accept that we support the country . who's next? if it the country. who's next? if it was, who do we support next? >> if it was just about the profit motive, then we, you know, we wouldn't have a national health service. we wouldn't have any publicly owned. >> no i'm sorry, they're not comparable. >> no i'm sorry, they're not coni'm able. >> no i'm sorry, they're not coni'm sorry. so many of that is >> i'm sorry. so many of that is not is not comparable. not that is not comparable. >> point if it is >> point is that if it is something that is crucial to the functioning of society and to the of the country, the functioning of the country, and for me, country like and for me, a country like britain have steel. and for me, a country like britwhat have steel. and for me, a country like britwhat are have steel. and for me, a country like britwhat are we ave steel. and for me, a country like britwhat are we doing;teel. all of that? >> not simply it's not simply about whether or not we can make money out we saw money out of it. we saw throughout the pandemic, we saw throughout the pandemic, we saw throughout pandemic, the throughout the pandemic, the importance of having domestic importance of having a domestic industrial base, because before the relying on the pandemic, we were relying on global chains. in this the pandemic, we were relying on glolof chains. in this the pandemic, we were relying on glolof the chains. in this the pandemic, we were relying on glolof the new hains. in this the pandemic, we were relying on glolof the new globalin this the pandemic, we were relying on glolof the new global market and day of the new global market and globalisation, thought globalisation, we thought actually, we can outsource our. >> be true, but you >> that might be true, but you can't simply to places like

can't you simply to places like china and the sorry you. >> then of a sudden when >> and then all of a sudden when the pandemic realised the pandemic hit, we realised sorry a very requires to sorry that is a very requires to do. >> simply sean come back >> simply let sean come back simply say because simply cannot say okay because supply down. supply lines went down. >> we're just going to pick a couple of industries and make sure stand regardless sure they stand up, regardless of taxpayer has to pay of if the taxpayer has to pay for them. because because it destroys finances destroys everybody's finances then. steel then. and to compare the steel industry i'm sorry, industry to nhs, i'm sorry, that's not right. the nhs that's simply not right. the nhs is part of our social security that's simply not right. the nhs is pa and our social security that's simply not right. the nhs is pa and that's)cial security that's simply not right. the nhs is pa and that's)cithat'surity that's simply not right. the nhs is pa and that's)cithat's any deal and that's a that's an entirely separate thing. you're correct some things are correct that some things are just worth paying for, such as the schooling, but the nhs, such as schooling, but to have steel industry, great. to have a steel industry, great. what do we do with all the steel we make? >> wm tm- tm— we make? >> do we do with that >> well, what do we do with that is a very good question. so are you suggesting that we have a uk steel which is, um, steel industry, which is, um, earned government that earned by the uk government that manufactures just for manufactures uk steel just for uk domestic use? >> no, i'm of course you can. you should sell it around the world. and there's all sorts of reasons not. but we reasons why you're not. but we wouldn't able that as wouldn't be able to do that as well you can. and i think well as you can. and i think part of that is the fact that we've had a higher pound for so

long, has made long, which has made us fundamentally uncompetitive and has contributed to the decimation our industrial base. >> $- >> when the pound. >> when the pound. >> so do need to look at the >> so you do need to look at the wider economic argument. i completely and you completely accept that, and you need at levels of need to look at levels of investment, you to look investment, and you need to look at and development and at research and development and things like um, but things like that. um, but, but that for is not the only part that for me is not the only part of argument. it's about of the argument. it's about whether strategically whether or not strategically you need industry at need a steel industry looking at what happened the what happened during the pandemic. steel pandemic. and, well, steel wasn't one the things for wasn't one of the things for me. i don't whether the steel i don't care whether the steel industry, don't care whether industry, i don't care whether the industry makes the steel industry makes money in i'd to see in britain. i'd like to see it make i'd want to be make money. i'd want it to be competitive and productive . but competitive and productive. but even isn't, even given even if it isn't, and even given the impact, particularly even if it isn't, and even given the impact. particularly even if it isn't, and even given the impact on|rticularly even if it isn't, and even given the impact on portlarly even if it isn't, and even given the impact on port talbot, for me, is enough. sorry me, that is enough. i'm sorry for taking. >> i'm sorry. this is the point, isn't it? first and foremost, who gets to pick which things we stand up regardless of the cost because when the pandemic hit, to take your example , we weren't to take your example, we weren't missing a steel supply. nobody was saying, oh my gosh, we've got people were got no steel. people were crowing things and crowing about other things and let's clear, the real thing let's be clear, the real thing we is building

we should be doing is building businesses are relevant. businesses that are relevant. now, look what they've now, if you look what they've done for instance, done in america for instance, the given a lot the government have given a lot of money to make sure manufacturing was going to manufacturing that was going to be future. be profitable in the future. battery instance, battery tech, for instance, they've supported a lot they've they've supported a lot of bring of companies to bring that battery and those jobs to america. >> would you have closed the mines 80s? mines in the 80s? >> the mines would have closed themselves? clear. themselves? no. let's be clear. the party, labour the labour party, the labour party closed significantly more mines closed. >> significantly. >> they closed significantly. given about the given what we know now about the social would social impacts, would they closed more mines closed significantly more mines than margaret thatcher did ? than margaret thatcher did? >> and if she didn't close them? and the labour party didn't and if the labour party didn't close closed close them, they'd have closed themselves. would have themselves. what i would have done, what i done, they wouldn't. what i would is replace those would have done is replace those jobs proper. always be jobs proper. i'd always be building economy that's building an economy that's looking to the future. it's being texas. been being done in texas. it's been done china. done in china. >> people going to find work tomorrow. >> if we had a proper industrial plan, they've employed more people in with people than that in texas with their giga factory. >> well, you see, this is a problem. there's so much short time thinking, and time thinking, isn't there? and this point that we this is the point that we started right at the top of this programme. this programme. what is this country's indust

country's long terme? indust strategy? after the strategy? in a second after the break, talking to you break, i'll be talking to you about a warning that we've got now from one of the nato bosses about it we in about potential war. it we in this country, not self this country, we're not self relying anymore. oil our relying anymore. our oil and our gas. elsewhere. the gas. it goes elsewhere. the steel now no longer steel that we're now no longer longer producing en longer going to be producing en masse uk use. does this masse for uk use. does this worry you? what should our uk industrial strategy be? and also do you think should have do you think we should have conscription this country for conscription in this country for the young? of my panels the young? one of my panels laughing that concept already laughing at that concept already are why. see you in are you tell me why. see you in two.

have a second home. >> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you until 7:00 tonight, but there is so much i could literally just sit here for about six hours. there was so much stuff going on in this country. we were just debating in the break that awful story about someone that just left that one hour old baby, that baby, a one hour old baby, in a bag on a street. what on earth is that about, anyway?

michelle dewberry you michelle dewberry keeping you company tory company till seven. the tory peen company till seven. the tory peer, of the london peer, a member of the london assembly, bailey, alongside assembly, lord bailey, alongside me as the fireman and trade unionist paul embry. you also i was reading a paper today and i thought, what's paul doing? and it new. it was some guy it wasn't new. it was some guy off called the traitors off a show called the traitors or something. i don't watch it. i don't know what it was, but it stopped thought stopped me. i thought it was you. >> few people have sent >> quite a few people have sent that to me. apparently, i'm a big hit on bbc television a big hit on bbc television on a on night or wherever. on a friday night or wherever. >> there go. >> well, there you go. successful man. uh, look, we were just talking at the start of the programme about port talbot. who got in talbot. lots of you who got in touch that one? and touch about that one? um, and we. bring in your views we. i'll bring in your views before the end the programme, we. i'll bring in your views befcforthe end the programme, we. i'll bring in your views befcfor now,nd the programme, we. i'll bring in your views befcfor now, we've:he programme, we. i'll bring in your views befcfor now, we've justrogramme, we. i'll bring in your views befcfor now, we've just been �*nme, but for now, we've just been talking the fact that talking about the fact that we're not really very self reliant. in any matters reliant. are we, in any matters at moment? how concerning is at the moment? how concerning is that? well, you listen to one that? well, if you listen to one of the officials nato, he's of the officials in nato, he's been saying that we start been saying that we should start preparing all out preparing basically for all out war in the next 20 war with russia in the next 20 years. basically saying years. he's basically saying that situations escalating that situations are escalating so might even need so much that we might even need to start thinking about conscription. uh, and, i mean, i

shouldn't but the reason shouldn't laugh, but the reason i'm snickering when i'm kind of snickering when i say is because we were just say that is because we were just touching the break touching on this in the break when think of some when you think of some young people society, i mean, people in society, we i mean, they can't even get themselves out bed and an office on out of bed and into an office on time. mean, how they be time. i mean, how would they be ready to fight a world war? >> it's three things i'd have to say. a modern british army needs people to be there. people who want to be there. you're a good soldier. if you're not a good soldier. if you're because, you know, you're there because, you know, the you. the government sent you. secondly, how many secondly, i wonder how many young people actually want to join army. if you look now, join the army. if you look now, our army is the smallest has ever been. struggles ever been. it struggles to recruit much like the police. in fact, the only service that doesn't struggle recruit doesn't struggle to recruit is the brigade. everybody else the fire brigade. everybody else really, to do really, really struggles to do so. paramedics, so. ambulances paramedics, everyone. the most important everyone. but the most important thing, unfortunately, this nato official be correct. um, official may be correct. um, russia is very strident. iran is strident as well. so china and there's a confidence in russia that i think the west underestimate covid. and the idea that we would have to, you know, confront russia is becoming a reality . i don't know becoming a reality. i don't know how close we are to that, but if

you go back years, no, you go back ten years, no, nobody would have believed it. but to prepare. but today we do need to prepare. >> well, maybe if we stop sticking our nose into absolutely every foreign absolutely every single foreign incident no incident that goes on with no plan, it might, uh, plan, then it might, uh, alleviate some of the threats. but anyway, paul, your thoughts? >> the comments were >> i think the comments were deeply irresponsible. >> i think the comments were ddon't irresponsible. >> i think the comments were ddon't think onsible. >> i think the comments were ddon't think weible. this sort i don't think we need this sort of sabre . atlin. in this time of of sabre. atlin. in this time of uncertainty , we these febrile uncertainty, we these febrile times, i think we need cool heads. i think we need diplomats. there's a lot of regional wars potentially breaking out. um, and these things cost lives. and i just don't like the idea of nato military chiefs telling us we have to prepare for a war with russia. that seems to me that it's going to ratchet up the tensions rather than damping down the tensions. and i don't actually think it's true. anyway. you know, i condemn the invasion of ukraine. i think it was completely wrong. but at the same don't this idea same time, i don't buy this idea that is hell bent on, you that russia is hell bent on, you know, expanding its empire or creating . a new russian empire.

creating. a new russian empire. and invading half of europe, which seems to be the idea that some people are propagating. and first i don't think first of all, i don't think russia got power or the russia has got the power or the resources that. has resources to do that. it has nothing like the resources of the old soviet union. we can the old soviet union. and we can see that it's been see the fact that it's been bogged down for two years in ukraine. and although i think you know, ukraine isn't to you know, ukraine isn't going to isn't the i isn't going to win the war, i think obvious think that's quite obvious at this point. the fact that russia has fled this point. the fact that russia has tied up for two years has been tied up for two years in a war in a single country, how can keep a straight how can people keep a straight face when they say, yes, but face when they say, ah, yes, but you have got time you know, putin have got no time for tyrant. i say that for he's a tyrant. i say that unequivocally . but is hell unequivocally. but putin is hell bent know, expanding bent on, you know, expanding a russian empire throughout europe. just think that's europe. i just think that's codswallop paul . codswallop paul. >> i do accept i don't say, you know, putin wants to invade britain or france. i don't i don't think he does. but let's be clear, we are currently countries. >> we are currently engaged in a war with russia. >> let's be very clear about that. >> hang on, hang on. >> hang on, hang on. >> nato is well, the european hold on, hold on a second. and russia on. we have russia are not hold on. we have

given multiple billions of given them multiple billions of pounds. so the americans so pounds. so the americans and so has ukraine. has the germans, ukraine. and now new members have given, now new nato members have given, um, ukraine multiple billions of pounds directly to fight with russia. so hold on russia. so hold on. so if you're if you're putin right , hold on. so if you're if you're putin right, you feel like you're fighting with nato, you feel like you're fighting with the western world. because let's be very clear, if ukraine was fighting russia on its own, it'd be over by now. we have given them billions and billions of pounds. so it is not too far away from reality to say that actually russia might feel the need to push back slightly because they are confronting the western world. they're not confronting. >> i mean, i have to say, sean, i think the idea that bearing in mind article five would be invoked if any nato country was, was russia, probably was attacked by russia, probably be and, know, putin be invoked. and, you know, putin is tyrant , be invoked. and, you know, putin is tyrant, but i don't think is a tyrant, but i don't think he's a complete idiot . the idea he's a complete idiot. the idea that he would invade attack that he would invade or attack a nato country knowing full well that forces of hell would be that the forces of hell would be unleashed upon him, and russia.

um, i just think is fanciful in the extreme . and when you look the extreme. and when you look at it through the prism of, you know, russia is a threat and we've got to do everything we can to contain it. and that might mean conscription and it might mean conscription and it might war. i just might mean going to war. i just don't think that's borne out in reality. actually it's reality. and actually it's making agree, i, i mainly making i agree, i, i mainly agree with you. >> i tell you, somebody who >> but i tell you, somebody who wouldn't agree with the wouldn't agree with you, the norwegians people are very close to russia. that's why they're desperate and that's why desperate to join and that's why they've so extra on they've spent so much extra on their that their own defence. and that nato, official probably said nato, um, official probably said it because campaigning it because he's campaigning to get nato. that's get more into nato. that's probably motivation . varne. >> well, there you mean, >> well, there you go. i mean, talking of threats, i mean, let's back to this let's bring it back to this country again because there's a school in the uk now that's having kinds of threats having all kinds of threats levelled school. levelled at a primary school. i have hasten to add, uh, long have to hasten to add, uh, long story short, there was a pupil that like that wanted to wear like a pro—palestine badge . the pro—palestine badge. uh, the headmaster no , he headmaster basically said no, he didn't these kind of didn't want these kind of symbols displayed . people symbols displayed. people got a hold it social media and hold of it on social media and then it all kicked off. this is berkeley primary school. uh, it's you'll be

it's in east london. you'll be familiar, perhaps some of familiar, perhaps with some of the scenes that we've seen familiar, perhaps with some of the scerofi that we've seen familiar, perhaps with some of the scerof there.ve've seen familiar, perhaps with some of the scerof there. there'sen familiar, perhaps with some of the scerof there. there's been outside of there. there's been protests up and protests and flags put up and all rest of it. anyway, now , all the rest of it. anyway, now, um, it's all escalated. apparently bomb apparently there's been bomb threats put in place the threats put in place towards the school and or some of these teachers , and the school now is teachers, and the school now is saying that they're potentially going to have to close because of this. >> this is absolute lunacy. i remember people getting in trouble on, on going online trouble on, on, on going online and things about their and saying things about their neighbours and the like. i really do hope the police are doing investigation doing a serious investigation into this has been into this, because this has been whipped number of people whipped up by a number of people online, demonise the school, telling couple of what seemed telling a couple of what seemed to me to be untruths and organised and appalling. so that's first thing the that's the first thing the police something police need to do something about actually think the about this. i actually think the school right because school are in the right because what the school were trying to do, i imagine was just avoid politics, be involved and politics, not be involved and just to school, keep their just come to school, keep their children safe just come to school, keep their chil

look, it's better that we don't do in school, do politics in school, especially school especially a primary school would be right. but to would seem to be right. but to me, this is further east. class bullying. fact that these bullying. the fact that these teachers feel unsafe, the fact that the school is talking about closing horrendous, closing down is horrendous, and somebody needs to support the school with and school to deal with this. and would you would you support the school, if wanted to school, um, if it wanted to close do you think it should close or do you think it should stay open? i would support the governors of school do governors of the school to do whatever because they whatever they like because they have a duty to keep those pupils safe, teachers safe. safe, and those teachers safe. if getting bomb threats, if you're getting bomb threats, if stopping if people are stopping your teachers or in a way teachers on the road or in a way into school, they'd every into school, they'd have every right around and say, right to turn around and say, i'm coming school. and i'm not coming to school. and the the head would the governors and the head would have with this is have to deal with that. this is about the safety of those children. it's about the safety of those teachers, it's of those teachers, and it's about calming community. about calming that community. these support, about calming that community. the not support, about calming that community. the not victimisation. support, not not victimisation. paul completely the school. >> think on the wider >> i think on the wider political issue, we do have to look things, you know, people look at things, you know, people saying diversity is our strength. know that's a slogan strength. i know that's a slogan that people often like to recite and to believe and we'd all love to believe that true. think that that's true. but i think actually over recent months ,

actually over recent months, we've seen that it isn't our strength in respects, strength that in many respects, it's our greatest challenge. um not one that we can't see mount, but nonetheless, one that is going to take a lot of effort to surmount. and we're going to have to do a damn sight better and do a lot of damn sight more different to what we've done in the we have been the past. we have been absolutely awful at integrating people this country. people people into this country. people who come here from different traditions, different countries, different cultures and so on to the point now where you have to ask yourself, why is a conflict thatis ask yourself, why is a conflict that is occurring in the middle east playing out in a primary school in east london? when that happenis school in east london? when that happen is you've got to realise you've gone. you've gone somewhere wrong along the road as a society. and i have to say, i think the, the way in which we've kind of preach the gospel in this country of what i call state sponsored multicultural ism, where we have gone out of our way as a society, at least the political elites have to, you know, to persuade people

that they really are different , that they really are different, to promote separateness and difference at every opportunity to say, actually , you're in that to say, actually, you're in that group and you're in that group and we'll celebrate these differences. i think all we've doneis differences. i think all we've done is we've encouraged the kind of fragmentation and an atomisation of our society. we our focus now needs to be on bringing people together. >> we are in, in, in, in violent agreement here. the pushing of identity has , has, has led to identity has, has, has led to some kind of hierarchy . so some some kind of hierarchy. so some people are allowed to complain, some people aren't. if you're a white man, oh my gosh, you're written off. you're just not able to say anything. you say something someone. apparently something to someone. apparently you're racist. all that you're a racist. if all of that has given us a bit a victims has given us a bit of a victims olympics because wonder if it olympics because i wonder if it was a different set of people saying thing, would saying a different thing, would they with differently? they be dealt with differently? and you've authorities in and you've seen authorities in this back off because and you've seen authorities in this don't back off because and you've seen authorities in this don't bacto»ff because and you've seen authorities in this don't bacto look cause and you've seen authorities in this don't bacto look likee they don't want to look like they're diversity. they're challenging diversity. what should what we really should be doing is britishness. is promoting britishness. that's what we really should. >> should done. we went >> we should have done. we went for the salad bowl instead of the melting pot. that's exactly what should have

what we did. and we should have gone melting pot, and we gone for the melting pot, and we should have looked somewhere should have looked at somewhere like country like should have looked at somewhere like one country like should have looked at somewhere like one of country like should have looked at somewhere like one of the dry like should have looked at somewhere like one of the most

it's going to happen. it's going to snowball snowball. to snowball and snowball. and don't by the don't all forget, by the way, that's teacher france, the that's a teacher in france, the one was beheaded. do you one that was beheaded. do you remember with remember that situation with those did those young people that did that? it turns out that the thing sparked all of that thing that's sparked all of that onune thing that's sparked all of that online hatred, was based on online hatred, it was based on lies, the person that went lies, is the person that went onune lies, is the person that went online and said, the teacher did this, and this. they this, this and this. they admitted they lying . admitted that they were lying. it even true. so all of it wasn't even true. so all of that, hatred was that, um, extremist hatred was based on nothing. and of course, as a simple thing here, keep all religion, all politics, all kind of policies, all the rest of it out of a classroom. but you can't, on the one hand, allow ukraine flags to be flying in classroom windows. and then on the other hand , if you've got a the other hand, if you've got a palestinian person that's upset about family member or about a family member or whatever, banning those, um, whatever, be banning those, um, i know. is there double i don't know. is there double standards? get in touch. let me know your thoughts on that. what should should happen should that what should happen to a ring of to that school. put a ring of steel around if ask me. steel around it. if you ask me. protect those teachers. protect those can't have those students. we can't have this in country, can we? this in this country, can we? anyway, look, keep your thoughts

coming in. i want to bring you into this conversation. then i also want to talk to you about landline think landline ins. and don't think i'm crazy . right? but i'm going crazy. right? but i want to talk you about dog want to talk to you about dog poo. there's reason. it poo. there's a reason. does it annoy when people just leave poo. there's a reason. does it arhanging when people just leave poo. there's a reason. does it arhanging around eople just leave poo. there's a reason. does it arhanging around onile just leave poo. there's a reason. does it arhanging around on pavements,a it hanging around on pavements, in parks ? i might have an in parks? i might have an answer. see you in two.

this is thousands and thousands of jobs. earlier. on. >> hi there. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm with you till 7:00 tonight. paul embery alongside me. uh aka prince harry as well. and also lord bailey remain lots of you guys have been getting in touch with me. lots and lots of support for us having a domestic steel industry in this country. many people flagging up concerns about being dependent on the likes of china, especially when we're getting into, uh, such seemingly kind of conflict zones with various different places at the moment . with various different places at the moment. uh, jan says, with various different places at the moment . uh, jan says, how

the moment. uh, jan says, how can anyone say that our steel is not an issue of national importance ? um, and she says and importance? um, and she says and then simultaneous , we talk about then simultaneous, we talk about needing, uh, potential , um, needing, uh, potential, um, ammunition, etc. for future conflict. she says, what are we going to do, go to china? uh, for all of that steel? carol says we don't need to conscript our young men. michelle we've had thousands of fit young men desperate to this desperate to come to this country don't we country lately. why don't we make, willing to fight make, um, been willing to fight for britain a condition of citizenship or . carol, your citizenship or. carol, your controversial, um . let's have controversial, um. let's have it. yeah. steve says michelle, we do need to be more aware that russia is a threat to us. we absolutely must talk about it . absolutely must talk about it. dave says russia's got no intention of expanding into europe. we're being played , um, europe. we're being played, um, by military industrial by the military industrial complex. michelle, do not fall for the lies. um, if russia take over ukraine, they will starve the west into submission and turn other countries in the middle east and africa against us, using the food supply as leverage says . john brian

leverage. um, says. john brian says 100. michelle, make it compulsory for 18 to 21 year olds. um, but only those who are guilty of repeat offenders of crime. they are the ones that should be conscripted into the army. want ditch all army. so you want to ditch all of the romans onto the army? i don't know, what do you think to that? just desert, wouldn't they? yeah, let's talk they? yeah, well, let's talk about, two ways that about, um, there's two ways that could one of those ways could go. one of those ways is very, other very, very badly. the other one is life changing for is perhaps life changing for a generation of people. >> well, you'd a few head >> well, you'd have a few head cases in there, and perhaps on the against russia if the front line against russia if it come that, god it did ever come to that, god willing, doesn't. and they it did ever come to that, god willingbe doesn't. and they it did ever come to that, god willingbe useful,t. and they it did ever come to that, god willingbe useful, but1d they it did ever come to that, god willingbe useful, but ii they it did ever come to that, god willingbe useful, but i don't might be useful, but i don't think i'd recommend it as an idea. >> i reckon the army could turn around a good 70 to 80% of them. a lot of people who have been in prison repeatedly have poor mental army better mental health. the army better help that. help them with that. >> um, gary says, where's the london mayor in this situation? uh, you've uh, with this school that you've just talking about, any just been talking about, uh, any threats situation needs threats in this situation needs to people to be investigated. people brought to justice, um, there to be investigated. people brought keepstice, um, there to be investigated. people brought keep your um, there to be investigated. people brought keep your thoughtse you go. keep your thoughts coming let ask you coming in. but let me ask you this. um, do you have a landline? do you need one? would you lost without it?

you be lost without it? thousands of people now have been calling been signing a petition calling on telecoms companies basically to switching to delay, like this, switching over landlines into digital over landlines into more digital services. lots of services. basically lots of people are saying that this is going to really disproportionately , um, impact disproportionately, um, impact the vulnerable , the elderly, the vulnerable, the elderly, people that rely on like lifeline things that have connections into phone lines, etc. where are you on it, sean? i mean, it's two ways to look at it. >> the market is deciding who watching this now actually has a landline. i spoke to a number of young people on this story came up they one of them has up and they one of them has never a landline. never even seen a landline. that's end of it. but the that's one end of it. but the other end of the story, there's lots in the country, lots of places in the country, mainly the mainly rural places, where the connection the digital connection to the digital network is virtually non—existent. you cut non—existent. you can't cut those the those people off and the government do need to make sure that has that 100% of the country has telephone for all telephone coverage for all manner of reasons, and that i think that is enough to ask these companies do it. these companies to do it. >> who's even got >> you say, who's even got a landline anymore? says, i'd landline anymore? lynn says, i'd be my landline. be lost without my landline. i live edge of a village. i live on the edge of a village. i have limited mobile reception. i need uh, margaret says i need it, uh, margaret says i

don't a mobile. i live in don't have a mobile. i live in an reception is an area where reception is absolutely absolutely absolutely poor. i absolutely dread landlines disappearing and sandra says my landline is my primary telephone. yes, i've got a mobile . and yes, i take out a mobile. and yes, i take out for emergencies only, but she doesn't really like to use it. and she also worries that they are addictive and annoying. you're not wrong with that one. i could tell you. paul, where are you? >> i think there's a danger that people in power see things all the time through the prism of middle people or middle aged people or young people, often forget middle aged people or young peofactually often forget middle aged people or young peofactually elderly an forget middle aged people or young peofactually elderly people it that actually elderly people don't the knowledge . the don't have the knowledge. the adeptness digital technology adeptness at digital technology and vulnerable people as well. and we're seeing that sort of thing with the move, the gradual move to a cashless society where we forget what it's like to be an elderly person who doesn't necessarily do stuff online, doesn't necessarily know how to doesn't necessarily know how to do a bank transfer online, and is used to going to the post office or wherever, getting some cash out and spending bit of cash out and spending a bit of money the shop. and, you money in the shop. and, you know, elderly people have know, some elderly people have real this sort real difficulties with this sort of so i say, you

of stuff. so i would say, you know, from what i've read of the story, i think it probably is a premature and i don't premature move. and i don't think telecom industry has think the telecom industry has got this and think got this right. and i think they're of leaving they're in danger of leaving behind generation people behind a generation of people who of over over 70 or who are sort of over over 70 or 80 years age, some whom do 80 years of age, some of whom do still landlines as you still have landlines as you know, of one of our viewers know, one of one of our viewers just i think that if just said and i think that if the telecom industry is intent on ploughing ahead with this premature , in my view, then premature, in my view, then i think the government probably does need to intervene and say, no, is not acceptable. no, this is not acceptable. you're leaving a lot of people here who are potentially going to be struggling new to be struggling with the new technology even, you know, technology and even, you know, if to digital, things if it goes to digital, things like personal like 999 calls or personal alarms , sms could potentially alarms, sms could potentially because relies on the because it relies on the household electricity supply . household electricity supply. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> potentially cut out and the call doesn't get through the other as well. other pieces as well. >> have ageing population. >> we have an ageing population. the 85 at 85 the number of 85 people at 85 and older set to double in in and older is set to double in in and older is set to double in in a 30 year period. so we do need to look at technology as supporting older people, not just thing and what

just the latest thing and what will really be driving this. these will be these telecom companies will be thinking, could make thinking, well we could make a saving and go back to a saving here. and we go back to a theme was up very theme that was popped up very early in the show. some things are just worth paying for. and the safety, particularly of people rural areas people living in rural areas who have to access have who it's hard to access services has to be a priority in this. >> it could be a national calamity, to be honest. if it does prematurely and they does happen prematurely and they haven't in proper haven't factored in proper protection elderly protection of elderly and vulnerable it could vulnerable people, it could be a real calamity . real calamity. >> i see i am a technology girl at my heart, but we cannot deny that ultimately technology goes wrong been wrong like we've all been gnpped wrong like we've all been gripped at post office gripped to that at post office situation. horizon scandal. situation. the horizon scandal. the and more and more you the more and more and more you digitise things, the more and more potential you have for things go um. jones things to go wrong. um. jones says. michel, um, what about when things go wrong with the internet? either it goes down by accident or hostile action, she says. accident or hostile action, she says . where we are right now, says. where we are right now, we're being told we might not have mobile access tonight because of a storm. i mean , you because of a storm. i mean, you see, this is the thing, isn't it? so you are, you know, you're

damned if you do. sometimes and damned if you do. sometimes and damned if you don't. adrian says, do have landline, but says, i do have a landline, but i've says, i do have a landline, but pve had says, i do have a landline, but i've had to use it. i've never, ever had to use it. but it's there as a backup, and i think that key point, a backup. >> i'd be interested to know whether our viewers and listeners think that landlines were better quality. were actually better quality. they they they were better. they were better than than the new better quality than than the new sort in terms of the sort of digital in terms of the call in view. call quality, in my view. anyway, bring the phone anyway, bring back the phone boxes your snp in the pips. boxes with your snp in the pips. >> do you remember when the pips used and the best thing used to go? and the best thing ever a phone box ? you used ever about a phone box? you used to able to in and reverse to be able to go in and reverse the charges. remember you used to charge call and to do a reverse charge call and they up the bill. they had to pick up the bill. >> going to say the >> you're going to say the calling card is the best thing about them. no, i'm not that old. >> i'm em- old. >> i'm that old. right very >> i'm not that old. right very important story. very very important story. jubilee tavern opens and we're opens after the break and we're going a bit of pub chat. going to do a bit of pub chat. i want to talk to you about dog poo left on the streets of poo being left on the streets of britain. the italians have got a good about how deal

hello there. happy friday to you . i'm michelle dewberry. this is dewbs& co and jubilee tavern is officially open. cheers to you at home. and cheers to my panel. uh lord balfe just asked, am i drinking champagne or wine? i mean, i'm in gb news, not the house of lords. i can safely say this is not champagne. >> so cheers to you. champagne at all. >> champagne and oysters. >> champagne and oysters. >> don't even get me started on the money the lord the amount of money the lord spends champagne. a spends on champagne. that's a whole a different. >> don't spend any money a >> don't spend any money on a different day. >> well, we'll we'll have this out another day. but for now, i want to talk to you about dogpool. what mean? dogpool. you see what i mean? and interrupt the and i'm sorry to interrupt the champagne for dog poo. champagne chat for dog poo. look, cut the chase. look, let's cut to the chase. the time doesn't it? the time flies, doesn't it? we're at the end the we're almost at the end of the program. we know the situation. many dog owners urge you, many lazy dog owners urge you, go out about. you leave your go out and about. you leave your dog a pavement, uh, in a dog poo on a pavement, uh, in a playground, in a field, wherever. the italians have wherever. now the italians have come up with a solution . listen, come up with a solution. listen, i'll make this brief. they're going to implement in a province

in italy, a database, a dna database . if you've got a dog, database. if you've got a dog, you have to register your dog's dna with this database . if dna with this database. if there's any unattended poo on a street. sorry, i know you might be eating your tea if there's any poo the any unattended poo on the street, will be taken, street, a sample will be taken, cross—referenced this cross—referenced with this database . it will detect the database. it will detect the owner and you will be fined. good shaun bailey , i think good idea. shaun bailey, i think this is enough. >> it is a brilliant idea, dog poo ruins everything. you could have a glorious day in the park. you step in the poo and it's all you're ever going to think about. but there's what? it's true. if you're playing in a park the kids and you step park with the kids and you step in poo, that's it. your day is ruined. you will get past ruined. you will not get past that but the more that point. but the more important point is we've had many dog banned, and many dog breeds banned, and i spoke a number of dog experts spoke to a number of dog experts and they it's about bad and they say it's about bad owners, bad dogs. and this owners, not bad dogs. and this would way of finding would be another way of finding out dog. if out who actually owns a dog. if it's someone or if it's it's attack someone or if it's stray something that. so stray or something like that. so it effectively be a registration plate your that's plate for your dog. that's interesting think it's interesting thing. i think it's a idea.

a brilliant idea. >> national database for >> national dna database for dogs expands beyond just the checking and says checking of poo, and it says something carry on. something else. then carry on. paul something else. then carry on. paul, thoughts? paul, your thoughts? >> entirely sure it's >> i'm not entirely sure it's necessary. to be honest. i think most dog owners are pretty good at dog, at clearing up after their dog, and only takes to and i think we only takes one to ruin day. it kind of seems ruin your day. it kind of seems a little bit too much. north korea me in terms of dna and korea for me in terms of dna and dog i think little dog poo. i think it's a little bit too far. i think dog owners are pretty sort of self are pretty good at sort of self regulating, especially these days when you know, we have doorbell doors doorbell cameras on front doors and you know, and people have got, you know, cameras on their smartphones and cctv over place. most cctv all over the place. most dog understand if dog owners understand that if they fail the they allow their dog to fail the streets or a park and they don't pick it up, there's a good chance in these days they're going shame. they're going going to be shame. they're going to facebook. to pop up on facebook. i disagree, to disagree. so disagree, i have to disagree. so i think, i think by and large, most dog owners are good. i don't see this as necessary, but i'm open to persuasion on it. >> says it's brilliant >> karen says it's a brilliant idea. dog lover and an idea. i'm a dog lover and an owner and i'm disgusted at the amount dog poo still left for amount of dog poo still left for the public in. the public to tread in. i'm a private carer frequently

private carer and i frequently have wheelchair wheels have to clean wheelchair wheels and grandchildren's pushchair and my grandchildren's pushchair wheels. disgusting , she wheels. it is disgusting, she says. agree, jan says it's says. i agree, jan says it's a great idea . i've got two dogs great idea. i've got two dogs and i always pick up after them. i hate people do this, i hate it when people do this, but do it, they uh, ruth but do it, they do. uh, ruth says where i live, by law, people must clear up their, um, pets . toileting is the word that pets. toileting is the word that i'll use at this time of the day. and they have to wash it with water. where they have weed. dog is a health weed. dog mess is a health hazard, says . um, keith says hazard, she says. um, keith says the italians have a great idea to deal with that . um, let's to deal with that. um, let's bnng to deal with that. um, let's bring it over here to sharon says. we need to be clear. it's not just dog poo on pavements. what about those people who pick it up, put it in the bags and tie it a yes what are tie it to a tree? yes what are you doing? who why do you doing? who does? why do people that? i have people do that? i have absolutely no idea. >> that sounds. look at this. i've on. i've got it on. >> got it on the screen. >> i've got it on the screen. anne, what are you doing? >> that looks a bit like a christmas tree. where they having some decorations having a bash? some decorations of really don't think that is >> i really don't think that is what were doing. absolutely what they were doing. absolutely

disgusting. me disgusting. anyway, look, let me know the italian know whether or not the italian way is the way forward. i mentioned as well. um paul, prince harry, the off prince harry, the fella off the traitors. that's traitors. look, that's the picture was talking about. picture i was talking about. there you go. doesn't that look like embery? like paul embery? >> little better looking >> just a little better looking now. paul's better. bless now. paul's better. oh, bless you, you sean. you, bless you sean. >> get you >> flattery will get you everywhere the same person everywhere from the same person as fella. as that fella. >> poll. quick, quick. in >> quick poll. quick, quick. in that am that way, am i? >> just just do the arm. >> no, just just do the arm. >> no, just just do the arm. >> do the arm. what's he doing there? bit of fake there? oh, a little bit of fake tan. >> bit of just for men. >> a little bit of just for men. and it's twig. anyway, look, and it's a twig. anyway, look, that's all i got time for. thanks, guys. have a good weekend, leandersson thanks, guys. have a good wetnext., leandersson thanks, guys. have a good wetnext., a leandersson thanks, guys. have a good wetnext., a brighterjersson thanks, guys. have a good wetnext., a brighter outlook up next. nana a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hi there. >> hi there. >> it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast a marked change in our weather occurs this weekend. after a cold week it turns much milder . it after a cold week it turns much milder. it also turns much wetter and windier as storm isha arrives in weekend. arrives late in the weekend. here's going the here's what's going on. the atlantic returning atlantic influence is returning andifs atlantic influence is returning and it's really going to bring us some very wet and windy

weather. storm isha turning up later sunday and into the start of monday. but for the time being for the being actually for much of the uk, it's a quiet end to the week . we keep the cold air in the south and east. a touch of south and the east. a touch of frost overnight under clear skies, but elsewhere increasingly spells increasingly cloudy spells of rain scotland, rain moving into scotland, northern ireland, northwest england still some mountain snow for scotland, but that snow level is rising so low levels it's going to be rain and some icy patches about for northern scotland. this scotland. first thing this weekend. soon enough the weekend. but soon enough the milder in milder air is sweeping in from the and we're going to milder air is sweeping in from the increasingly1d we're going to milder air is sweeping in from the increasingly cloudya going to milder air is sweeping in from the increasingly cloudy and ng to milder air is sweeping in from the increasingly cloudy and damp see increasingly cloudy and damp weather across much of the uk throughout saturday. saturday afternoon, rain does ease afternoon, the rain does ease for a time, stays damp over western and northern hills, but brightest south—east brightest towards the south—east still on chilly side. 6 to 7 still on the chilly side. 6 to 7 celsius, but you can see further west nine celsius turning milder into the start of sunday. generally frost free, bright but with some showers around then the first signs of stormy a spell of very heavy rain moving in, especially over western

hills before the winds really pick up. by sunday evening, hills before the winds really pick up. by sunday evening , the pick up. by sunday evening, the risk of 70 or 80 mile per hour wind gusts in places looks like things are heating up . things are heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsors of weather on .

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got an athletics legend coming on chris akabusi. he'll make you laugh . we've also got the sister laugh. we've also got the sister of joey essex, that's frankie essex, she's on the show for the first time and he's back. adam brooks, the landlord and i can confirm he is five foot ten, but first let's go to the . first let's go to the. news >> good evening. your top stories from the gb newsroom. tata steel has confirmed up to 2008 hundred jobs will be affected by its plan to close furnaces at its port talbot. the cuts will be made over the next 18 months as the company transitions to a greener way of working , the unite union says working, the unite union says it's ready to use everything in its armoury to protect staff and defend the industry . meanwhile, defend the industry. meanwhile, downing street says the job losses are not a result of the prime minister's net zero target. rishi sunak , saying he target. rishi sunak, saying he remains committed to british