>> hello, good afternoon and welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio i'm nana akua and for the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's , it's theirs. and of it's mine, it's theirs. and of course yours . we'll be course it's yours. we'll be debating, and at debating, discussing and at times disagree. but no times we will disagree. but no one cancelled . so one will be cancelled. so joining me on today's show , joining me on today's show, broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy and former labour party adviser matthew laza . but before adviser matthew laza. but before we get started , let's get your we get started, let's get your

latest . news. latest. news. >> nana, thank you very much. good afternoon from the gb newsroom. it's 3:00. the headunesis. newsroom. it's 3:00. the headlines is . well norfolk headlines is. well norfolk police has referred itself to the police watchdog over a 999 call that was made about an hour before four people were found dead on friday. the bodies of a 45 year old man and a 36 year old woman, and a and two girls were discovered at a property in norfolk after officers forced their way into the house. the man and two children are understood to have lived at the address, but police say the woman was just visiting . all woman was just visiting. all four of them were found with injuries. churches in the area have now opened their doors so people can pay tribute well in the last few minutes. the shadow foreign secretary was interrupted by multiple protests dunng interrupted by multiple protests during a speech in london. david lammy had to dash back stage

after the first protester jumped onto the stage holding a palestinian flag . that woman palestinian flag. that woman then called for him to condemn genocide in gaza . she was genocide in gaza. she was shouting how many more children need to die.7 mr lammy said that everyone wants to see a sustainable ceasefire in gaza . sustainable ceasefire in gaza. his speech was then interrupted again by others who continued shouting . mr lammy was later shouting. mr lammy was later able to finish his speech, saying he wants to see change through power, not protest , but through power, not protest, but the us president has suggested there may be a path to peace between israel and palestine . between israel and palestine. joe biden spoke to israel's prime minister on friday. benjamin netanyahu has in the past rejected calls for a two state solution. but following those discussions yesterday, president biden now says mr netanyahu is not opposed to all versions of the proposal , versions of the proposal, suggesting one path could involve a non—militarized government . back here in the uk, government. back here in the uk, senior members of the labour party say that britain should consider rejoining the european customs union, the trade

alliance is a key pillar of the european union and allows for the free trade of free movement of goods. the mayor of london, sadiq khan, said this morning that rejoining should be on the table when the brexit deal comes up review later year. up for review later this year. shadow northern ireland secretary hilary benn struck a similar tone. he says europe would breathe a sigh of relief if labour wins the general election that's due this election that's due later this year. election that's due later this year . well, as we've been year. well, as we've been heanng year. well, as we've been hearing in the last few hours, tata steel has now pledged a £130 million support package to help workers retrain or find new jobs. that's as it plans to close furnaces at its port talbot site up to 2800 jobs will be affected over the next 18 months, as the country transitions to what it calls a greener way of working . however, greener way of working. however, unions are now warning that the move will be devastating for the economy and the steel industry . economy and the steel industry. in 21 public bodies, including the bank of england, have been asked to reveal reveal details of any contracts given to fujitsu after the post office

scandal. mps want to know how much taxpayers money has been spent with the tech firm since the high court ruled that prosecutors , based on its flawed prosecutors, based on its flawed horizon, it system, were wrong. fujitsu has been awarded almost 200 public sector contracts since 2012. those are worth a combined total of £6.8 billion. the mother of a teenager who was stabbed to death is appealing for information as a £20,000 reward is offered. nine year old eddie king nothemba kinuthia suffered multiple stab wounds when he was attacked in a park known as grosvenor road. triangle in bristol that was on the 21st of july last year. a total of six men have been arrested by avon and somerset police on suspicion of murder. three remain on bail and the others have been released without charge. police though, are now appealing for anyone with information to contact them . in royal news, prince harry is

facing an expensive legal bill that's after he withdrew his libel case against the publishers of the mail on sunday. the duke of sussex says he wants to focus on the safety of his family and his legal action against the home office . action against the home office. he was suing the newspaper over an article his publicly an article about his publicly funded arrangements funded security arrangements when he and his family visit the uk , and a european spacecraft uk, and a european spacecraft has now arrived at the international space station with crew members from italy, turkey and sweden . they docked about 37 and sweden. they docked about 37 hours after taking off from nasa's space centre in florida dunng nasa's space centre in florida during their time on board the axiom mission three craft, the four person crew will carry out more than 30 scientific experiments . they're now experiments. they're now currently orbiting the globe at hypersonic speed. that's about 17,500 miles an hour , and 17,500 miles an hour, and slightly slower than that. a six legged dog who was found abandoned in a car park has had her extra limbs removed . ariel, her extra limbs removed. ariel, a spaniel puppy, was found in

pembroke's town centre in september last year with a cunous september last year with a curious birth defect that saw her sporting six legs after a fundraising appeal. her surplus limbs were safely removed . the limbs were safely removed. the dog has now been taken in by the greenacres rescue charity and is being cared for by a very lucky foster family. being cared for by a very lucky foster family . that's the latest foster family. that's the latest from the gb newsroom for now. aaron armstrong will be with you at the top of the hour. in the meantime, , we're on tv, meantime, for more, we're on tv, digital, and your smart digital, radio and on your smart speaken digital, radio and on your smart speaker. play gb news . speaker. just say play gb news. >> thank you sam. it's fast approaching seven minutes after 3:00. this is gb news on tv, onune 3:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua now . coming up, our nana akua now. coming up, our royal correspondent cameron walker will have the latest on prince harry's drooping or

dropping even. he's been writing this honestly, it's like somebody is on something right now dropping his libel case against the mail on sunday. we'll to live we'll also be going to live to tel speak to star uri tel aviv to speak to star uri geller on the update on what's happening in israel. then stay tuned at 320, it's climate control where after tata steel confirms its closures will impact 2800 jobs. i'm asking is net zero is killing the uk economy .7 then stay tuned. 335 economy? then stay tuned. 335 professor karol sikora will be live to discuss the king's health and the treatment of course, he went public with regard to his enlarged prostate, and we'll also be discussing passing the measles epidemic that appears to be potentially gripping this country. and james matheson is in the political spotlight this week as he shines a light on the work and as a light on the work and life as top of the labour party politics that's coming up in the next houn that's coming up in the next hour. tell me what you think and everything we're discussing. email news. or email gb views gb news. com or tweet . gb news. but first,

tweet me at. gb news. but first, let's kick things off with prince harry. i mean, i this is it's sad, it's slightly comedic, but why on earth. but now he's withdrawn his libel case against the mail on sunday. now this comes on the day that he was due to documents . to hand over relevant documents. seems a little bit convenient. he needed to hand some important documents, , uh documents, or somehow he's, uh uh, it all. but uh, suddenly stopped it all. but his lawyers have now filed a nofice his lawyers have now filed a notice of discontinue ince he was sue the mail on was trying to sue the mail on sunday for its reporting of his dispute with home office dispute with the home office over his security arrangements . over his security arrangements. but joining me now to clear things up to make it because he's going gb he's got things going on. gb news royal correspondent he's got things going on. gb news |walkerrrespondent he's got things going on. gb news |walker now? ndent he's got things going on. gb news |walker now? cameron, cameron walker now? cameron, what on earth is this man doing? >> yeah , it's been a pretty >> yeah, it's been a pretty difficult 24 hours for prince harry because not only has he dropped the libel case, he's also now facing a reported three quarters of £1 million legal bill because he's going to have to pay associated newspapers legal costs, as well as his own . legal costs, as well as his own. now, i spoke to prince harry

spokesperson yesterday and they were that it's a bit were saying that it's a bit premature to put a number on it, that grand figure that they that 750 grand figure that they definitely didn't dispute. but it's to be a lot of money. it's going to be a lot of money. they priority is the they say his priority is the safety of his family and his case against the home office, because all of this is about an article the mail on article written by the mail on sunday his separate case sunday about his separate case against the home office. they allege that prince harry was trying spin narrative to trying to spin the narrative to make himself good make himself look good and perhaps manipulate the british public. that public. prince harry said that was an attack on his honesty and integrity sued them. was an attack on his honesty and integon' sued them. was an attack on his honesty and integon sunday, sued them. was an attack on his honesty and integon sunday, saying them. was an attack on his honesty and integon sunday, saying itsem. mail on sunday, saying its honest opinion well, that ship has sailed on his honesty and integrity . integrity. >> i mean, look, he he's far. his grandfather was dying and they came out on oprah doing this talk . i they came out on oprah doing this talk. i mean, if anything, that's that tells you all you need to know. then there was the whole thing about racism within the family then the royal family and then he came bradby showed came out on tom bradby showed say no one in the family say no one, no one in the family is racist. i mean, he is racist. i mean, why did he not say anything worried not say anything if he's worried about safety, not say anything if he's worried aboton safety, not say anything if he's worried aboton would safety, not say anything if he's worried aboton would talk y, why on earth would he talk about his count in afghanistan? his kill count in afghanistan? all sounds nonsense .

all of this sounds nonsense. >> yeah, well, crunch point >> yeah, well, the crunch point was had to was yesterday where he had to submit, you said, your submit, as you said, in your introduction, their legal documents . so the mail documents. and so did the mail on the judge to form on sunday to the judge to form part trial. he decided part of the trial. he decided not so. and he has decided not to do so. and he has decided to the case altogether . to drop the case altogether. now, there's a reasons we now, there's a few reasons we can to he's can speculate as to why he's done he he's done that. either he thinks he's not the case, or he not going to win the case, or he didn't want certain parts of those documents made public, because, if it goes because, of course, if it goes to all of us can read to court, all of us can read about or he wanted to about it. or he wanted to prioritise something i.e. prioritise something else, i.e. the , to perhaps pursue the finance, to perhaps pursue his case against the home office and keep his family safe . his case against the home office and keep his family safe. i suspect probably the suspect that's probably the argument going down, argument he's going to go down, but just it he's kind of lost but it just it he's kind of lost this battle, really hasn't he. because he's not because he's not he can't sue. he's not suing the associated newspapers for libel anymore . but the war's not libel anymore. but the war's not over because he still has two cases against british newspapers , newspaper groups. the publisher of the sun and the publisher of the sun and the publisher of the sun and the publisher of the mail for alleged unlawful information gathering, totally gathering, which they totally deny. his case deny. and of course, his case against the british government,

the office security. the home office over security. >> money and >> harry, take your money and your wife and your and your wife and your kids and enjoy life . what is wrong enjoy your life. what is wrong with this man ? with this man? >> even he got an award >> even he then got an award yesterday for. have you seen the aviation award ? aviation award? >> that sylvester >> nana was that sylvester stallone? sly stallone? the one that's sly stallone? the one that's sly stallone gave him ? stallone gave him? >> a john travolta . >> well, it was a john travolta. gave it to him. >> yeah. there's two confused. >> yeah. there's two confused. >> travolta it >> yeah. john travolta gave it to john to him. so reportedly, john travolta pushed for prince harry to legacy, to win this, win this legacy, not . i can't the not legacy. i can't remember the name legends name of it now. living legends of aviation award in los angeles. he got given the medal, of course. he famously danced with princess diana in the white house john house in the 1980s. john travolta, some people are travolta, um, some people are upset about this because , yes, upset about this because, yes, prince harry served two tours of afghanistan . he was co—pilot afghanistan. he was a co—pilot gunner on helicopters in afghanistan and training missions, but so several missions, but so were several other soldiers who have not been inducted hall of fame. inducted into this hall of fame. but more of i would say but it's more of i would say it's more of a hall of fame. it's lots of celebrities in it's got lots of celebrities in it. we've got neil it. okay we've got neil armstrong, but then it. okay we've got neil arn also 1g, but then it. okay we've got neil arnalso1g, people but then it. okay we've got neil arnalso1g, people btom en we also have people like tom cruise. he's in cruise. so i suspect he's in that calibre of a of a celebrities hollywood types.

celebrities and hollywood types. >> yeah. that's not going to pay his legal bills though is it. it's all very harry, it's all very nice, harry, but it's to the bills. it's not going to pay the bills. you want to consider you might want to consider stopping action. stopping all this legal action. thank cameron thank you very much, cameron walker. lovely to talk to you. right move right well, listen, let's move on, because israeli prime on, because the israeli prime minister, netanyahu , minister, benjamin netanyahu, has states that has told the united states that he is opposed to the establishment , establishment of he is opposed to the erpalestiniant , establishment of he is opposed to the erpalestinian state. ablishment of he is opposed to the erpalestinian state. he shment of he is opposed to the erpalestinian state. he wantst of a palestinian state. he wants the war in gaza ends. so israel's allies, including the uk and the us, have long urged for the revival of a two state solution in which a future palestinian state would live side by side with israel . but side by side with israel. but all of this comes as hostages are still remain trapped inside gaza , including kfir bibas, who gaza, including kfir bibas, who turned aged one in captivity. bless his heart. and all of this as well comes as guidance for museums, shared a said by a taxpayer funded charity in the uk. the collection trust has described hamas as anti—colonial freedom fighters . i mean, it's freedom fighters. i mean, it's just unbelievable . in the last just unbelievable. in the last houn just unbelievable. in the last hour, shadow forest foreign secretary david lammy has been

interrupted at a fabian society speech by pro—palestinian fighters . so joining me to fighters. so joining me to discuss all of that is mystifier uri geller . discuss all of that is mystifier uri geller. uh, uri, thank you very much. it's always a pleasure to talk to you. well well, i mean, there's a lot to unpack. where do you want to start? obe >> uh, you know , you just >> uh, you know, you just mentioned the. look, this is totally unbelievable. nana because it taxpayer funded organisation which advises british music in art galleries , british music in art galleries, has said, as you just mentioned , has said, as you just mentioned, that hamas should be described not as terrorists , but as not as terrorists, but as anti—colonial freedom fighters. i mean, nana, you couldn't make this up . who wrote this? who this up. who wrote this? who wrote this , who signed it off? wrote this, who signed it off? this charity is aligning . itself this charity is aligning. itself with one of the most barbaric, anti—semitic terrorist group in the world. and let me remind you that in the united kingdom, it is illegal to support hamas. so

ihope is illegal to support hamas. so i hope that there is an investigation and that anyone responsible for this so—called guidance is immediately kicked out. it is shocking and it is disgusting. now you mentioned the baby nana. this has been a very sad week in israel and around the world. and let me tell you why this week, as you said , an israeli baby called said, an israeli baby called kfir bibas turned one year old. but baby fear has been held hostage by hamas since october 7. he has spent. listen to this. he has spent a third of his life in captivity. it is so painful to even talk about this nana look , tell me, why doesn't look, tell me, why doesn't hamas. i'm asking you. i'm asking your viewers. why doesn't hamas simply release the baby? release him and the other 130 hostages and bring this war to an end ? why don't they do that?

an end? why don't they do that? tell me your opinion, nana. >> do you know in my opinion, in my view, i don't think they want it to end. they have in their confidence said that they want to destroy jews , kill all to destroy all jews, kill all jews. it? very clearly . jews. is that it? very clearly. and that was intention and that was their intention when went on the 7th of when they went on the 7th of october. they've said october. they've also said they're again. they're going to do it again. so in opinion , i don't think in my opinion, i don't think they to stop. they they want to stop. if they stopped firing the bombs, in my view, back the view, and gave back the hostages, i'm thinking that israel am i not israel would stop. am i not correct ? correct? >> absolutely. and look , let me >> absolutely. and look, let me go now to the benjamin netanyahu situation . i just want to show situation. i just want to show all your viewers , look, i was a all your viewers, look, i was a paratrooper . i all your viewers, look, i was a paratrooper. i fought in the six—day war in jerusalem . um, i six—day war in jerusalem. um, i know what war is. it's awful. it's shocking. terrible lots of civilian casualties. now now. but meanwhile, this is just listen to this. meanwhile there is another huge march taking over the streets of london today, am i right? these are

sympathisers of hamas who are glad . listen, who are glad. the glad. listen, who are glad. the 7th of october happened. what has happened to your country, nana? what happened to your country ? country? >> well, listen, some people on these marches might argue that they are actually worried about they are actually worried about the death and or, you know, lots of dying you know, of people dying and you know, that's what they're worried about. of really about. a lot of people really calling for peace. in fact, we had david lammy, who's one had our david lammy, who's one of parliamentarians of our, um, parliamentarians calling for a ceasefire. i want you to watch this. have a listen . and david lammy does not speak for me. >> if he dares to show his face in taunting me, then he's. he's a right man. you know, rothman, you're supporting . genocide. and you're supporting. genocide. and we say disarming. no more complaints . you deal with complaints. you deal with genocide on syria . we see what genocide on syria. we see what you're saying in this whole of imperialist look at it in the

middle of this, in the above. >> so that's that was a response to one of our politicians who was on stage at a fabian society event calling , i think he was event calling, i think he was calling for a ceasefire . yeah. calling for a ceasefire. yeah. >> look , the whole thing is so >> look, the whole thing is so shocking. what's happening not only israel but around the only in israel but around the world. i mean, they're all firing ballistic missiles . uh, firing ballistic missiles. uh, the houthis , uh, anyhow. but the houthis, uh, anyhow. but let's go back now to benjamin netanyahu . i want to say netanyahu. i want to say something else about this. and this is very important because i want to help your viewers. nana to understand something . there to understand something. there is an obsession with the idea that a two state solution will solve everything. but let me tell you why this is so dangerous. look, just imagine the west bank and gaza being became a palestinian state. listen, it was only encourage the palestinians to step up their fight to destroy israel .

their fight to destroy israel. it would be armed with tanks , it would be armed with tanks, with missiles and an air force and it would be all backed by iran. iran that's the head of the snake . you know, we saw that the snake. you know, we saw that hamas , we all saw what hamas did hamas, we all saw what hamas did on october 7, and hamas would easily take over palestinian state. a two state solution is not a recipe for peace . it is a not a recipe for peace. it is a recipe for war. and the only solution to the conflict is to destroy hamas and to have a direct negotiation session with the palestinian leadership, which accepts israel. that israel is here to stay. this is the only way to create a bright future for israel and a bright future for israel and a bright future for israel and a bright future for the palestinians. and both people deserve it. >> well, that but but but that sounds like so you're saying a one state where they all live together in harmony and you'd keep the west bank and the settlers within the west bank

and what gaza would still be a book. how would you have that working? >> look , i have been living in >> look, i have been living in old jaffa for eight years now. i lived in, in england , uh, lived in, in england, uh, sonning on thames for 35 years. my sonning on thames for 35 years. my children grew up in england. daniel and natalie went to the british schools. and so forth. i'm here. if you look out of the window, there are arab muslims there, and there are arab , uh, there, and there are arab, uh, christians and we live harmoniously . there's no problem harmoniously. there's no problem . and it is i believe that this is a you can solve this situation. i walk into an arabic restaurant and they they are so warm towards me . i'm water, i'm warm towards me. i'm water, i'm warm towards me. i'm water, i'm warm towards me. i'm water, i'm warm towards them. this can be done. nana. and i think we should focus first. >> so to destroy hamas. >> so to destroy hamas. >> so to destroy hamas. >> so you think destroy hamas unity one state israel, palestinians. >> is everybody living together

in harmony? agree that that would be wonderful. thank you so much for talking to us. it's a beautiful vision. thank you. i pray that it becomes that we take care. that's what he's mr farage he's there, live in tel aviv. well, it's just coming up to 20 minutes after 3:00. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is a gb news. we are the people's channel. we're live on tv, onune channel. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up after the news of kings king charles's prostate check. uh, i'll be with the leading health expert to talk about this doctor sakara. but up next, it's time for climate control, where we discuss the debate around the climate and on the agenda. tata steel confirms 2800 jobs have been cut across the uk. we'll be discussing if net zero is destroying our economy. this is .

that i knew had dbs and co weeknights from six. >> good afternoon. it's 24 minutes after 3:00. if you've just tuned in. welcome on board. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. it's time now for climate control, where we unpick the debate around the climate and on the menu. tata steel giant has confirmed plans to close blast furnaces on its port talbot site. that's in south wales now. this, of course, could lead to the loss of up to 2800 jobs. the furnaces will transition to electric arc technology , which electric arc technology, which require fewer workers to

maintain. but it is this shift to cleaner, so—called cleaner energy and net zero. is it killing the uk economy ? well, killing the uk economy? well, i'm joined by meteorologist jim dale and also social commentator paul burgess , who's a climate paul burgess, who's a climate scientist. paul, i'm going to start you. yeah. talk to me start with you. yeah. talk to me about this then why are they doing this? and is this is this the to go? the right way to go? >> it's so wrong. it's unbelievable. i come from this area , 2800 people. area, 2800 people. >> that's 10,000 families are going to be affected by this green madness where you put up power prices , electricity power prices, electricity prices, so much that our industries can't survive. >> this is a deindustrialisation on a massive scale. >> it really is. >> it really is. >> and it's being done in the name of this green nonsense about co2. and let me just explain something. we're now going to have to. it doesn't make good quality steel , so it make good quality steel, so it doesn't steel for buildings doesn't make steel for buildings or or cars or structural steel or for cars or structural steel or for cars or anything . it just just or anything. it just it just makes , inferior steel now. makes cheap, inferior steel now. so we have to import that from china then do we. so now we have

the extra co2 of all the importing. and given the jobs to china, laughing . china, china must be laughing. and on top of that, currently in the world. >> and i've got a here. if >> and i've got a graph here. if i called paul to, um, if we i called up paul to, um, if we see paul two graph, is it possible ? possible? >> yeah. there we are. >> yeah. there we are. >> now all the renewables in the world. the of energy >> they're the sources of energy now in the world. >> energy all the >> total energy. all the renewables are 2 to 3. renewables are just 2 to 3. >> got a graph >> so you've got a graph there and coal oil and gas. and it's got coal oil and gas. >> yes. like a and they dominate. >> and the other ones after that are hydro and nuclear. right. only in the top little bit. you can't them . can't really see them. >> the very top part of the graph, top part, graph, the very top, top part, little graph. graph, the very top, top part, little that graph. graph, the very top, top part, little that is graph. graph, the very top, top part, little that is where]. graph, the very top, top part, little that is where the energy graph, the very top, top part, litcoming1at is where the energy graph, the very top, top part, litcoming from. where the energy graph, the very top, top part, litcoming from. where thepeople' is coming from. so when people say, energy say, you know, 25% of our energy came, they're talking just about electric the uk , etc. if came, they're talking just about eleclook the uk , etc. if came, they're talking just about eleclook at the uk , etc. if came, they're talking just about eleclook at the the uk , etc. if came, they're talking just about eleclook at the uk uk , etc. if came, they're talking just about eleclook at the uk , k , etc. if came, they're talking just about eleclook at the uk , we etc. if came, they're talking just about eleclook at the uk , we takef came, they're talking just about eleclook at the uk , we take 5 to you look at the uk, we take 5 to 6% between 5 and 6% renewable. that's a huge cost and they deceive people . let me give you deceive people. let me give you an example. that deception of the green thing, if you have a wind a solar farm, we wind farm or a solar farm, we supply 10,000 houses. what do people think that means? i'll tell means because tell you what it means because they according ofgem, to

they say according to ofgem, to according house, the according the average house, the average house is 20% electric, 80% gas. so what every single wind and solar farm in the uk means every one of them is we only. we can supply 10,000 houses 80% of the houses providing 80% of the energy is coming from gas right. >> but but they would argue that although it to supply more houses , they would argue that houses, they would argue that that would give off lots of co2. so their aim is to get to net zero but zero co2, zero carbon and that this is their route to do it. >> well, why don't they just tell we can supply tell the truth? we can supply 10,000 houses, providing 80% of the gas. the energy is coming from gas. and when and we need gas supply. when we're not blowing, when the wind is not and sun's is not blowing and the sun's not shining. 100% backup. shining. so we need 100% backup. so we're going to build a so if we're going to build a wind north sea, wind farm in the north sea, we've it up 100% we've got to back it up 100% with way with the gas. there's no way out of way. all the of that, by the way. and all the other techniques. and other storage techniques. and i've with things other storage techniques. and i've dinorwig with things other storage techniques. and i've dinorwig pumpedh things other storage techniques. and i've dinorwig pumped storage . like dinorwig pumped storage. i've with that i've been involved with that professionally all those don't even to on nine even come near to it. on nine days in 2018 without power 7200 gigawatt hours needed. we've got 9.1. we need 7200. there is no

storage solution can work. we are deindustrialising on a massive scale and i hope jim can understand that. his politics, his stop oil nonsense and all this, that politics is now costing us very dear and it's very close to home to me. >> but but he might argue, and there's lot do , that there's a lot of them do, that we are protecting ourselves on the the planet the planet and the planet itself. without we itself. and without a planet we are we actually need are nothing. so we actually need to planet and to maintain the planet and ourselves on it, and therefore we need to use techniques that mean that we do not destroy our environment . mean that we do not destroy our environment. this is what they might argue . might argue. >> more co2 is good, more co2 is good.i >> more co2 is good, more co2 is good. i really do love one day to be able to explain to gb news you know gb news time. >> me why more >> explain to me why more co2 is good most people think good because most people think it's okay, when you it's to do >> okay, when you it's to do it's to do with some physics which i need 4 or 5 minutes to explain, that's all. but i could explain, that's all. but i could explain it 4 5 minutes. explain it in 4 or 5 minutes. can you basically . i'll try. can you do basically. i'll try. well, okay. um, add well, okay. um, when you add c02, the well, okay. um, when you add co2, the first 25 parts, 50 parts per million takes up most

of it, right? takes up what the radiation there is. and as you add, becomes less add, it becomes less and less effective . so it's like painting effective. so it's like painting a red . if you've got a a wall red. if you've got a white wall, you put a coat of red on, it's red. but i put another it's redder another coat on, it's redder and another coat on, it's redder and another it's redder. another coat on. it's redder. but 3 or 4 coats it makes but after 3 or 4 coats it makes no extra co2. now no difference. so extra co2. now this the of now this is the physics of it. now both agree. the both sides both sides agree. the both sides agree on the science there. by the way, there's no dispute between alarmists on between me and the alarmists on that. were the that. the scientists were the dispute is they say, ah , dispute comes is they say, ah, but creates water but that creates more water vapour if you double it vapour because if you double it now from 400 ish, you'll get 1% more , 1. more radiation trapped, 1. according to the figures , which according to the figures, which is 0.7 of a degree c to go in doubung is 0.7 of a degree c to go in doubling what the clouds come in into it, because that doesn't allow for clouds . and the clouds allow for clouds. and the clouds come in because the extra water vapoun come in because the extra water vapour, don't allow vapour, they don't allow for that. successfully that. no one has successfully modelled . modelled clouds. >> so saying that the >> so you're saying that the modelling that they have used is not considered external factors like clouds. correct they will have amount of co2 have on the amount of co2 released into atmosphere. if released into the atmosphere. if you look the satellite you look at the satellite temperatures, like this .

temperatures, they're like this. >> look at all the >> if you then look at all the models are like this, 3 to 4 times heating, but there is times more heating, but there is one model that's pretty near and that model doesn't allow for the extra thing. they treble extra thing. they they treble it, they treble the effect. >> where are the ipcc people >> where are the ipcc and people like that? why are they not explaining to us what their sort of calculations are and how their modelling works as to how they've worked out that it is c02 that, they've worked out that it is co2 that, in their view, is the enemy. >> they have a lot of the physics has. there's a lot of good physics done by the ipcc, but and the but there's the physics and the science . and then then science. and then and then there's the political side, which is what the for which is what the summary for policy makers is written by policy makers is and written by a representative from each country. it's political document. so when i show when i show jim for example, i showed in ipcc saying there's no in the ipcc saying there's no more floods, there's no signs for that. there's no signs for droughts. he oh, know, for that. there's no signs for dri'mhts. he oh, know, for that. there's no signs for dri'm offering oh, know, for that. there's no signs for dri'm offering a oh, know, for that. there's no signs for dri'm offering a crucifix know, for that. there's no signs for dri'm offering a crucifix to know, if i'm offering a crucifix to dracula sort of thing. but in actual the actual fact, it's true. and the scientists said, look, it's warming too much. the models are wrong they're too much, wrong, they're warming too much, but stop but that doesn't stop the politics. politics with

politics. so the politics with ipcc will ipcc will put, um, a president of a of a small island. tuvalu in a pool of water, and the coral reef there on a desk and say, look, we're sinking . and when you look at sinking. and when you look at the satellite, they've grown 2.9. the evidence . i'd love to 2.9. the evidence. i'd love to be able to present this properly to viewers. and you . this is the to viewers. and you. this is the only on any television or only show on any television or radio show. this nana akua show that allows my view to come across , which is we need more across, which is we need more c02, across, which is we need more co2, so we're not damaging the planet. >> the a lot of people are arguing right now. i mean, all the big major bodies are saying we need to reduce co2. you've got our to got obviously our approach to net governments and net zero. the governments and businesses putting in big businesses are putting in big for there has to be for money this. there has to be some to what they're for money this. there has to be some andto what they're for money this. there has to be some and a what they're for money this. there has to be some and a lot at they're for money this. there has to be some and a lot ofthey're for money this. there has to be some and a lot of people feel saying. and a lot of people feel that is reality. that this is the reality. >> then so sorry. that this is the reality. >> well then so sorry. that this is the reality. >> well , then so sorry. that this is the reality. >> well , wellhen so sorry. that this is the reality. >> well , well quickly ;orry. that this is the reality. >> well, well quickly then. >> well, well quickly then. >> i've got very quickly. well why the leading physicist within the nobel prize now join the association called the co2 coalition, which is calling for more leading more co2. why are the leading scientists and why don't they debate me ? why don't they debate

debate me? why don't they debate people? well, they will, they should do. >> don't what >> and i don't know what happened to jim. jim was supposed to debating now, supposed to be debating you now, but he's been but i think he's he's been in trapped he's. but i think he's he's been in trappe�*did he's. but i think he's he's been in trappe�*did go? he's. but i think he's he's been in trappe�*did go? is he's. but i think he's he's been in trappe�*did go? is he he's. but i think he's he's been in trappe�*did go? is he goneie's. where did he go? is he gone to thailand flew. he thailand? he flew. i think he would thailand. would have flown to thailand. obviously is, he obviously but wherever he is, he probably guzzling probably went on a gas guzzling machine that took him there. but he to talk to he is not available to talk to us now. we would really wanted to some balance. what are to get some balance. what are your think that your views? do you think that c02 gb your views? do you think that co2 gb views gb co2 is the enemy? gb views gb news. at gb news. com or tweet me at gb news. paul burgess, climate scientist much. scientist thank you very much. right, you're with i'm nana right, you're with me. i'm nana akua just coming up to 32 minutes after 4:00, 3:00 on the way. political spotlight, where i shine a light on political issues . and joining me, the issues. and joining me, the former labour party spokesperson james mathewson, on what life is like in labour politics under jeremy corbyn. but first, let's get your latest news headlines with aaron armstrong . with aaron arm strong. >> with aaron armstrong. >> it's 332. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. norfolk police has referred itself to the independent watchdog in relation to the deaths of four

people. >> on friday, the force says it didn't respond to a 999 call that was made about an hour before the bodies of a 45 year old man, a 36 year old woman and two girls were discovered when officers forced their way into a house in costessey, near norwich . the man and two children are understood to have lived at the address. woman address. police say the woman was visiting. all four of them were with injuries . were found with injuries. churches area have opened churches in the area have opened so people can pay their respects . the shadow foreign secretary was interrupted by multiple protesters during a speech in london this afternoon. a david lammy had to dash backstage after the first protester just got on to the stage, holding a palestinian flag. his speech was interrupted again by others who continue shouting . mr lammy was continue shouting. mr lammy was later able to finish his speech , later able to finish his speech, saying he wants to see change through power, not protest . the through power, not protest. the us president suggested there may be a path to peace between israel and palestine. benjamin netanyahu , the israeli prime

netanyahu, the israeli prime minister, has in the past rejected calls for a two state solution. >> but following talks with president biden on friday, the white house now says mr netanyahu is not opposed to all versions of the proposal , versions of the proposal, suggesting one path could involve a non—militarized government . tata steel has government. tata steel has pledged a £130 million support package to help workers retrain , package to help workers retrain, rain or find new jobs as it plans to close furnaces at its port talbot site. >> up to 2800 jobs will be affected over the next 18 months as the company transitions to a greener way of working . however, greener way of working. however, unions are warning the move will be devastating for the economy and steel industry . a and indeed the steel industry. a european spacecraft . has arrived european spacecraft. has arrived at the international space station with crew members from italy, turkey and sweden. they docked about 37 hours after taking off from nasa's space centre in florida. they're currently orbiting the globe at the hypersonic speed of around 17,500 miles. an hour. >> smooth, smooth is fast and

supersonic . supersonic. >> bulletin for you there, and we'll have more coming up a little bit later. now it's back to . nana. to. nana. >> well, thank you very much, aaron. coming up, its political spotlight and joining me to shine a light is former labour party spokesperson james mathewson . he'll be talking mathewson. he'll be talking about his time working at the core of left wing british politics. but next, after the news, the king wanted to make his check public. i'll be his health check public. i'll be speaking to a health expert doctor karol sikora, about treatment . don't go anywhere

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we, we normally go in for in politics. but it is i think politics. um, but it is i think the conversations you have the conversations that you have up down the country when up and down the country when something's you something's become so, um, you know, people are so confident in it people on street are it that people on the street are starting to acknowledge the fact that think a labour that they think a labour landslide income and tells landslide is income and it tells you to know, you all you need to know, really. think to be really. and i think to be honest, by that point, once you've of you've reached that level of kind of cut through with the public, then it really does have an influence on the polls. >> our map >> now we've got our map on screen those who are screen for those who are listening on radio 2019, there's a yellow there. a little bit of yellow there. liberal democrats really they're going to hold ground. going to hold some ground. i can't but that's snp can't believe it. but that's snp actually snp up in scotland. >> because >> yeah they're orange because the you never know. >> w t— >> sometimes it's yellow, sometimes it's orange. yeah that's the top there. that's the snp at the top there. you've liberal you've got little liberal democrats at very very tiny you've got little liberal dentheres at very very tiny you've got little liberal denthere int very very tiny you've got little liberal denthere in 2024 very very tiny you've got little liberal denthere in 2024 very verylooks top there in 2024 where it looks like to take some like they're going to take some ground. red ground. you've got a bit of red there for the conservatives on there for the conservatives on the the outskirts of the the on the outskirts of the little islands, on the, the north—east, south—west coast of scotland . what's so conservative scotland. what's so conservative about that area was snp before it. this is it. >> it's that it's that collapse from the snp that we're seeing.

i think when we that i think when we see that collapse it goes collapse from the snp, it goes different directions. you know, you the people different directions. you know, you been the people different directions. you know, you been brought the people different directions. you know, you been brought the pecbyz different directions. you know, you snpieen brought the pecbyz different directions. you know, you snp have)rought the pecbyz different directions. you know, you snp have been1t the pecbyz different directions. you know, you snp have been brought)e(by3 the snp have been brought together who together in a coalition who agree on one thing and one thing alone, and that's independence , alone, and that's independence, that's their can be that's their politics can be scattered the place. scattered all over the place. that can the right that can be to the right economically . or, you know, economically. or, you know, they can socially conservative, or can be socially conservative, or they could be left wing. so they unhed they could be left wing. so they united independence . and united around independence. and now independence pretty now that independence is pretty much happen, much guaranteed to not happen, and people are seeing that it's, you know, going be pipe you know, going to be a pipe dream future. you dream for the future. uh, you know, like nicola know, people like nicola sturgeon the towel sturgeon are throwing the towel in enough of in saying she's had enough of a political you she political career. you know, she would if she would be hanging around if she thought was a chance to thought there was a chance to secure independence. however, you much you know, i think she had much choice with the £600,000 choice after with the £600,000 caravan and all the stuff that's been going on. >> her whatsapps have just whatsapps you said it, >> you said it. you said it, but that's i think you'll that's it. but i think you'll see those votes, you know, see those snp votes, you know, the in the faith in the the collapse in the faith in the snp scotland's collapsed. snp and scotland's collapsed. you'll out you'll see that spreading out amongst the parties. but crucially, gives labour crucially, it gives labour enough able to form enough seats to be able to form that majority. well i did always say that the failure of the

labour party was the reason why we of fragmented we had a sort of fragmented scotland , one that was ready to, scotland, one that was ready to, you it's true. you know, it's true. >> from the uk , united >> detach from the uk, united kingdom now obviously the kingdom and now obviously the snp have absolutely destroyed their chances , firstly with that their chances, firstly with that gender which gender recognition reform, which i thought just absolute i thought was just absolute nonsense , then with these nonsense, then with all these sort that come sort of things that have come now, what's your view on the state of scottish politics? because i'm wondering where you are with that. >> yeah, it's very interesting being edinburgh being based in edinburgh myself full . yeah. i being based in edinburgh myself full .yeah. i mean, i have full time. yeah. i mean, i have conversations with people who are independent. are passionately independent. you pro—independence you know, pro—independence still ironically , a lot of the people ironically, a lot of the people who i speak are who i speak to who are pro—independence aren't scottish. you know, there are people who've moved into scotland and are really passionate scotland and are really passiona but actually , when you identity, but actually, when you look at devolution, i'm experiencing it up there. the benefits of devolution are colossal. they've been absolutely . you know what? absolutely huge. you know what? what people from absolutely huge. you know what? wht devolution 3eople from absolutely huge. you know what? whtdevolution deale from absolutely huge. you know what? whtdevolution deal right from absolutely huge. you know what? whtdevolution deal right i'iowi absolutely huge. you know what? whtdevolution deal right now is the devolution deal right now is immense . and what they're able immense. and what they're able to do and influence in the scottish parliament and the way the scottish parliament runs, we could things from in

could learn things from it in westminster. i really do westminster. yeah, i really do think it's a it's a shining example know, throw example. but, you know, to throw that away for the sake of, you know, i'd entity politics just seems , you know, i think seems, you know, i think shocking and now more people recognise that they don't want to risk it. >> and obviously with edinburgh being just thought being your base, i just thought i'd mentioned humza yousaf, which unfortunate that which is so unfortunate that useless just rolls off your tongue easily and fits so tongue so easily and fits so neatly. he has almost been neatly. but he has almost been given a poisoned chalice, and sometimes slight feel sometimes i have a slight feel of sorry him a little bit, of sorry for him a little bit, but i think he's useless . i have but i think he's useless. i have to say, i don't think any of his , you know, the way he's gone about think he's about things. i don't think he's particularly good, but i think he's a scottish people. >> i do think an effective politician. >> seem like him on >> people seem to like him on the ground. they and the ground. they do. and same with anas sarwar on the labour party. they've been with anas sarwar on the labour party. for they've been with anas sarwar on the labour party. for a they've been with anas sarwar on the labour party. for a while. ey've been with anas sarwar on the labour party. for a while. they've en with anas sarwar on the labour party. for a while. they've been around for a while. they've been doing groundwork doing the groundwork and they're likeable and they likeable politicians and they represent quite a modern scotland, you know, a diverse scotland. and they stand for a lot of what, you know, scottish values are perceived to be these days. the snp is a party.

however, i don't think you can climb back from the level of controversy they've seen. you know it's toxic now and people know, it's toxic now and people are looking back and they're saying, remember the labour saying, we remember the labour party, remember the tories, party, we remember the tories, they bets and we can they were safe bets and we can put our vote back. >> interesting , isn't >> they're interesting, isn't it? of course, you, as it? and of course, you, as somebody a supporter somebody who was not a supporter of jeremy corbyn. >> well start i was i was >> well i'll start i was i was supported jeremy initially socially . um, supported jeremy initially socially. um, mean very much socially. um, i mean i very much came from the left. my political journey was , um, left wing. came from the left. my political j(mean, was , um, left wing. came from the left. my political j(mean, my , um, left wing. came from the left. my political j(mean, my idols. left wing. came from the left. my political j(mean, my idols growingzt wing. came from the left. my political j(mean, my idols growing up'ing. came from the left. my political j(mean, my idols growing up were i mean, my idols growing up were thomas sankara and, you know, karl marx and che guevara , like karl marx and che guevara, like every good young socialist. yeah absolutely. but, you know , absolutely. but, um, you know, dunng absolutely. but, um, you know, during my working in during my time working in politics, i realised, you know, the hypocrisy that we were seeing on the left because we would go out to picket lines, we would go out to picket lines, we would go out to picket lines, we would go out to protest and we would go out to protest and we would about how won't would go out to protest and we woul

difficult to be an ideologue and to that, okay, this to be driven by that, okay, this is my staunch ideology and i don't deal with who don't deal with anyone who disagrees because disagrees with it because ultimately, compromise the ultimately, compromise is the way achieved. way things are done, achieved. and day i don't think and every day i don't think people realise in this country how much is achieved in parliament through cooperation between parties behind the scenes. scei'ies. >> scenes. >> do you think that's what's gone a of the gone wrong with a lot of the political dialogue that you see? i since until news came i mean, since until gb news came along, the along, i didn't really see the level balance a lot level of balance because a lot of people come onto this channel. they're very left wing, left get talking left wing, and we get talking like matthew laza or even matthew stadlen. you get talking and suddenly we start to find this common ground, and then people so scary. people don't seem so scary. yeah.in people don't seem so scary. yeah. in the end , yeah. yeah. in the end, yeah. >> they're not. if you sit down with anyone you and a with anyone, you go and have a pint someone. you're going with anyone, you go and have a pint a someone. you're going with anyone, you go and have a pint a someorwith)u're going with anyone, you go and have a pint a someorwith someone.] to have a coffee with someone. you can get to you realise that you can get to know chat to know them, you can chat to them. and for me. and this was the thing for me. i mean, up in the mean, i grew up in the north—east you know, north—east of england. you know, margaret a swear margaret thatcher was a swear word in our household and remained to you i, remained to be, you know, i, you know, agree more know, couldn't agree more with those really in my those sentiments. really in my political however, when political views. however, when you get to westminster and you

meet who are meet these tories who are terrifying, you and you terrifying, you know, and you suddenly realise they're human beings with thoughts and opinions and they opinions and, you know, and they just different way of just have a different way of doing to you, then you're doing things to you, then you're able those conversations able to have those conversations and , you know, that and actually, you know, that was why on the left and elements of the hard left saying, you know, oh, we will have nothing to do with tories , whilst at the with the tories, whilst at the same labour mps on the left same time labour mps on the left having to go behind the scenes to get things done. i mean, i knew i labour mp on the knew i knew a labour mp on the left to stop left who managed to stop a college constituency college in his constituency being by cooperation with being closed by cooperation with michael gove. you know , a michael gove. you know, a conversation with and then conversation with him and then the next day shouting about the next day was shouting about michael line, michael gove on a picket line, you know, so that's why kind michael gove on a picket line, yo like ow, so that's why kind michael gove on a picket line, yo like about that's why kind michael gove on a picket line, yo like about politics. hy kind of like about politics. >> your >> you can have your disagreements, but you still talk it's good talk afterwards and it's good that nigel farage, that people like nigel farage, who jungle you who went to the jungle and, you know, 90, know, a lot of people go, nigel farage, then they think, oh, it's actually polite. it's actually really polite. he's gentleman. he's a real gentleman. he's really it, mean, >> well, that's it, i mean, i disagree basically disagree with basically everything nigel farage says, but i support his right to, to say it, you know, and i'll stand there and listen to him you there and listen to him and, you know, forward and know, he can put it forward and that's be the central that's got to be the central tenet a of a democracy in

tenet of a of a democracy in western democracy, tenet of a of a democracy in western now democracy, tenet of a of a democracy in western now .iemocracy, especially now. >> what about sir keir starmer? he's running the labour party. do doing do you think he's doing an effective so, i mean , we've >> i think so, i mean, we've just been talking about the fact we're we saw that map we're going to we saw that map there. you know, we're to there. you know, we're going to see a landslide. i mean, could you effective job you see more of an effective job than that? don't think so. you than that? i don't think so. you know, time. i w.- il there seems >> i mean, you know, there seems to be somewhat party to be somewhat fragmented party in to in particular when it comes to israel. like the israel. people don't like the look i mean, that whole look of that. i mean, that whole you are you know, the british people are very strong with their view that you should be able to protect yourself, but what's happened with whole hamas and this with this whole hamas and this pro—palestinian conversation , pro—palestinian conversation, people are sort of merging the two and definitely seeing the labour party mps just, you know, or councillors stepping down as a result because they're not happy with keir starmer stuff. definitely not very. >> and the labour movement, you know, as a whole born out of the trade union movement and born out working people, out of working class people, and especially working especially a lot of working class you know, we class immigrants, you know, we have a proud tradition in the labour party of jewish members and jewish supporters , you know,

and jewish supporters, you know, and jewish supporters, you know, a huge swathes of it who were abandoned and felt left by the anti—semitism , you know, anti—semitism, you know, situation in the labour party. we happened in seats, we saw what happened in seats, you like barnet, where we you know, like barnet, where we lost because of that. but at the same time, we have strong same time, we also have strong muslim supporters and people who , proud to , you know, um, are proud to support the labour party. there's there . there's another heritage there. so this is labour's issue of trying balance different, trying to balance its different, um, elements its different um, elements in its different heritage support heritage and all its support groups increasingly we see groups, when increasingly we see polarisation between british jews and british muslims over the issue of israel and, and, and the gaza conflict . it's why and the gaza conflict. it's why i think seeing groups, um, you know, uh, joe cox's widower, brendan cox, he's doing work i know, to kind of try and bring those communities together with hope not hate. so groups like that that are really doing important work because is seeing those divisions here is very frightening for a lot of people. >> well, that could be if they're not careful, their achilles mind don't achilles heel. mind you, i don't think that something think they need that something really bad would need to happen

for them to lose, i think. or the party could do the tory party could do something good, but what's theirs to though, isn't it? >> that's it's theirs to lose. >> that's it's theirs to lose. >> it is james matheson, >> well, it is james matheson, thank coming. thank you very much for coming. thank of thank you. to me, that is of course, he's course, james matheson. he's a former labour party spokesperson . political . oh, wow. so that was political spotlight. interesting . oh, wow. so that was political spotliright. interesting . oh, wow. so that was political spotli right. butnteresting . oh, wow. so that was political spotli right. but let'ssting . oh, wow. so that was political spotli right. but let's return stuff. right. but let's return now to my healthwatch because king charles has returned to sandringham from scotland ahead of his hospital visit . he's due of his hospital visit. he's due to benign , to be treated for benign, enlarged prostate next week, and the has said he's the monarch has said that he's keen go public with the keen to go public with the condition encourage men condition to encourage other men to checked. so joining me to get checked. so joining me now director now is the former director of the cancer program, the who. cancer program, professor carol sikora. uh, carol, thank you very much for joining me. it's really to good talk to you. i've read a lot of your . um, want talk your stuff. um, i want to talk to about enlarged to you about this enlarged prostate. then what? i mean, i'm presuming there's. it's not a tumour. it's not a lump. what is it? what does it mean ? it? what does it mean? >> so men have a prostate >> so all men have a prostate gland? a lot of people don't know where it is. it's actually around the urethra. the tube that connects the to the that connects the bladder to the outside world. and it's a

little. it's about the size of an apricot normally. >> and as you get older, in all men , it enlarges. men, it enlarges. >> and if it gets to a certain size and sometimes it enlarges unequally on different sides, it blocks the outflow of urine from the bladder to the outside world. so if you notice men take longer to pee when they get older than when they're young . older than when they're young. and that's because the prostate normally enlarges. we call it benign prostatic hypertrophy nana, but that's just because it's increased size of the prostate. now the worry about it all is in some patients there will be prostate cancer. so i'm sure what's happened to the king is he's been screened very well for cancer. there's been no hint that there's any indication that his markers for cancer , the psa his markers for cancer, the psa test is raised . so the procedure test is raised. so the procedure he's likely to have is just going to be what we call transurethral resection or tur, where you just pull out bits of

the prostate, very minor procedure under anaesthetic . and procedure under anaesthetic. and then maybe a night in hospital and then home and watching carefully to make sure there's no infection. that's the usual way it's done. yeah >> well it's good of him to talk about it actually , even though about it actually, even though it did sort of feel a bit uncomfortable hearing you uncomfortable hearing that you think prostate, you think king charles prostate, you know, he know, but the fact that he shared is good because other shared it is good because other men have probably had that sort of weird feeling when they're going stuff like going to talk about stuff like that. good for him to that. so it's good for him to acknowledge he, of acknowledge that he, first of all, he's all, acknowledged that he's human. you human. now i wanted to ask you about the measles vaccination and what's going on with that, because there seems to be a bit of an outbreak certain of an outbreak in certain parts of an outbreak in certain parts of country. of an outbreak in certain parts of sorryry. of an outbreak in certain parts of sorry ,'. of an outbreak in certain parts of sorry , of what the >> i'm sorry, of what the measles , measles outbreak at the measles, measles outbreak at the moment , the what the measles, moment, the what the measles, measles , measles, mmr , measles. measles, measles, mmr, measles. >> oh, measles. measles. yeah. sorry. what did i sound like? i'm saying. >> i mean, you remember many years ago the scandal of the

wakefield scandal, when , uh, a wakefield scandal, when, uh, a physician who actually got struck off by the medical council , uh, struck off by the medical council, uh, put out this stuff that autism and various other mental health disorders in children were caused by the mmr vaccine . so people stopped vaccine. so people stopped vaccinating their kids. some parents decided to give them partial vaccines from the mmr. >> it was separated. >> it was separated. >> others continue food. and what's happened? we've got the combination of the anti—vax feeling from covid together with the wakefield scandal of nearly 20 years ago has made people feel that vaccination may not be as safe as it's made out . and as safe as it's made out. and the trouble is, measles is a nasty disease only in a small percentage of children. but it can be a disease and it can lead to all sorts of complications that have long lasting problems. so i think, you know, measles is a it's we think of it as a trivial illness that is nothing. but it can have it can cause

encephalic . tears, can't it? encephalic. tears, can't it? >> listen, carol, i've got to go because we've run out of time. so sorry that. but we'll talk again. carol again. that is doctor carol sakura. this gb news there's sakura. this is gb news there's loads more to come. my loads more still to come. my panel be joining me in the panel will be joining me in the next panel will be joining me in the nexlooks things are heating >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers is sponsors of weather on gb news . weather on gb news. >> hello there. i'm greg dewhurst. welcome to your latest gb news weather. we've got storm isha on the way , particularly isha on the way, particularly through sunday evening. overnight into monday morning damaging gusts of wind, some large waves around the coast, some heavy rain too. it's unsettled over the next 24 hours and very unsettled sunday into monday as that storm moves through, and then it remains unsettled into next week. two outbreaks of heavy rain already pushing in this evening across western parts of the uk. some hail mixed in there too. very strong gusty winds. gales strong and gusty winds. gales around the coast but starting to ease a little during the early hours, with some clear spells developing , but also some

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a 36 year old woman and two girls were discovered when officers forced their way into a house near norwich. the man and two children are understood to have lived the address . have lived at the address. police say the woman was visiting all four of them were found injuries churches visiting all four of them were fourarea injuries churches visiting all four of them were fourarea haveuries churches visiting all four of them were fourarea have opened hurches visiting all four of them were fourarea have opened soches visiting all four of them were fourarea have opened so people the area have opened so people can respects . the can pay their respects. the shadow foreign secretary has been interrupted by pro—palestinian protesters dunng pro—palestinian protesters during a speech in london. david lammy had to dash backstage when a demonstrate jumped on to the platform holding a palestinian flag. the woman called for him to condemn genocide in gaza, shouting how many more children need to die ? his speech was need to die? his speech was interrupted again by others who continued shouting mr lammy was later able to finish his speech. he says everyone wants to see a sustainable ceasefire in gaza city . city. >> action in gaza is intolerable and unbearable for too many children , women, old people have children, women, old people have lost their lives . we need a

lost their lives. we need a truth now. so that humanitarian aid can get in. we need a sustainable ceasefire. i'm hugely worried about what i'm heanng hugely worried about what i'm hearing from uk aid agencies and from the united nations and the medical attention that over 60,000 people who are now wounded or maimed need. we must get urgent aid in the us . get urgent aid in the us. >> president has suggested a two state solution may still be a possibility in the middle east. joe biden spoke to israel's prime minister on friday, a day after benjamin netanyahu rejected us calls for the establishment of a palestinian state. once the war is over, however , following their however, following their conversation, president biden now says mr netanyahu is not opposed to all versions of the proposal, suggesting one path could involve a non—military government . two british royal government. two british royal navy ships have been involved in a collision in a port in bahrain , and no one was injured in the accident , and , and no one was injured in the accident, and an , and no one was injured in the accident , and an investigation accident, and an investigation

into it has been opened. the royal navy is working with the us navy in the gulf region to protect red sea shipping from increased attacks by houthi rebels based in yemen . tata rebels based in yemen. tata steel has pledged a £130 million support package to help workers reach, train or find new jobs as it plans to close furnaces at its port talbot site . up to 2800 its port talbot site. up to 2800 jobs will be affected over the next 18 months, the company says it's transitioning to a greener way of working. however, unions are warning the move will be devastating for the economy and the industry . the mother the steel industry. the mother of a teenager who was stabbed to death is appealing for information as a £20,000 reward is being offered . 19 year old is being offered. 19 year old eddie king mthembu kennethi suffered multiple stab wounds when he was attacked in a park known as the grosvenor road triangle in bristol on the 21st of july last year. a total of six men have been arrested by avon and somerset police on

suspicion of murder. three remain on bail. suspicion of murder. three remain on bail . the others have remain on bail. the others have been released without charge . been released without charge. police are appealing for anyone with information to get in touch now. if you thought your shopping bags were feeling a little lighter, it may be because more products are getting smaller. mouthwash teabags and sausages are among the supermarket staples that have been downsized as manufacturers look to cut costs. that is, according to the consumer watchdog , which they consumer watchdog, which they found listerine's four birth burst mouthwash shrank by 100ml despite its price on tesco shelves, going up by £0.52. it means shoppers pay 21% more for 17% less shrinkflation . 17% less shrinkflation. meanwhile, a box of pg tips tasty decaf pyramid variety used to contain 180 teabags. now at many supermarkets, you'll get . many supermarkets, you'll get. just 140 and a six legged dog found abandoned in a car park has had her extra limbs removed.

ariel a spaniel puppy, was found in pembroke town centre in september last year with a cunous september last year with a curious birth defect that saw her sporting six legs well after a fund raising appeal that raised about £15,000. her surplus limbs were safely removed. the dog was taken in by greenacres rescue charity and is now being cared for by a foster family . lovely story to end family. lovely story to end with. this is gb news on tv , on with. this is gb news on tv, on digital radio and on your smart speaker two it's back to . nana. >> hello . good afternoon. it's >> hello. good afternoon. it's fast approaching six minutes after 4:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . there's a lot in i'm nana akua. there's a lot in the news at the moment, but now for some light relief. some might even call it humour. prince harry. oh dear. it's finally dawning on him that unnecessary legal battles over

he said, she said. which with not much to go on, cost money. and frankly it's money he needs to keep hold of . judging by how to keep hold of. judging by how well he and his missus are currently being received over in the states in the crumbling montecito empire. whilst the royal family have been diligently and admirably getting on with the job, the king, with his enlarged prostate , which all his enlarged prostate, which all credit to him, he shamelessly overshared as a way of encouraging men to get tested. heanng encouraging men to get tested. hearing it kind of felt like when you discover your parents have sex, you know what i mean? but proud him but i'm proud of him nonetheless. and catherine, on stepping until easter stepping back until easter following operation . prince following her operation. prince harry has taken the sensible decision to get out whilst he still can, and withdraw from his legal action against the mail on sunday. with a relatively low legal bill in comparison to the millions it was likely to cost him to take them to court. the case has already racked up an estimated bill of £750,000, and his decision on friday was made just hours before he was

supposed to be handing over relevant documents to the high court. his reasoning by pursuing the claim he'd be giving a continued platform to what he called the mail's false claims, made two years ago. apparently he now wants to focus on his legal action against the home office. last year and on the safety of his family . pull the safety of his family. pull the other one, i'd say he's done more damage to his own safety , more damage to his own safety, revealing his kill count in his tell all memoir spare and more like his lawyers have done, the responsible thing, even though they would have fortune they would have bagged a fortune whether he lost, and told whether he won or lost, and told him unwise, and him how unwise, risky and expensive would be to carry expensive it would be to carry on. meghan has had a on. or perhaps meghan has had a word. i mean , their earning word. i mean, their earning power appears be dwindling , power appears to be dwindling, and with three more cases on the 90, and with three more cases on the go, the go, it's not cheap. in the meantime , the royal family have meantime, the royal family have gone from strength to strength, even a bill even quietly getting a bill passed to ensure that only working royals are able to take the the king is the helm. if the king is incapacitated , which in layman's incapacitated, which in layman's terms, simply basically means

that neither andrew nor harry will be allowed to take charge or it won't be easy for them to do that. king charles learnt a lesson from his outstanding mother, late queen, who i mother, the late queen, who i have yet to hear anyone say a bad word about. that's an example you want to follow, but sadly harry seems to learnt sadly harry seems to have learnt absolutely nothing. well, at least he has his living legend of aviation award, which he was apparently personally handed by john travolta. i wonder how his mates who fought with him in afghanistan feel about that. i doubt they'll be impressed. in any case, a medal won't pay his bills . but before we get stuck bills. but before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm should asylum i'm asking, should asylum seekers ? now, seekers be allowed to work? now, according to data obtained under the freedom of information laws, the freedom of information laws, the home has granted the home office has granted asylum a route to asylum seekers a route to employment in care , construction employment in care, construction and farming . but would you want

and farming. but would you want to be cared for? but i don't know what. i'm then for know what. i'm sorry. then for 50. royal round—up time. moral biographer angela levin will be here to give the latest from here to give me the latest from behind the palace the behind the palace walls on the menu. been multiple menu. there have been multiple health this week within health scares this week within the palace. prince harry dropped his libel case against the mail on sunday. you heard my monologue . we'll bring you the monologue. we'll bring you the latest. will us an latest. angela will give us an update. and then it's update. and then at five, it's this week's difficult conversation. danielle mason will be in the studio live now. danielle is a tv personality and presenter and she'll be speaking about her battle with mental health. she's also the sister of kat eastenders . dunk kat slater of eastenders. dunk dunk dunk dunk dunk dunk dunk. that didn't sound like it at all. but that's coming up in the next . tell me what next hour. tell me what you think everything think on everything we're discussing. gb discussing. email gb views at gb news. or tweet me at . gb news. com or tweet me at. gb news. com or tweet me at. gb news. all right. let's welcome again to my panel, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. also former labour party adviser matthew laza laser. i love that

smoky look you gave lizzie cundy. ooh thank you darling . cundy. ooh thank you darling. >> no one does it better. >> no one does it better. >> smokey. >> smokey. >> actually, i have to say, please be careful out there. i went on my knee. it was went skidding on my knee. it was like jayne torvill from dancing on ice and it's very cold out there. i have to say. >> but yeah , you're sporting an injury. >> i'm sporting an injury. >> i'm sporting an injury. >> made it made it. >> made it made it. >> so you did that just before you came here? just. yes oh, you did it. >> $- w— w bump last year. >> missed a bump last year. >> missed a bump last year. >> no, no, but i've start >> no, no, but i've got to start with because you've with you, lizzie, because you've you've sat next to meghan or you've, known meg. i knew you've, you've known meg. i knew meghan well and i was meghan very well and i was actually harry well. actually knew harry as well. >> in the world in >> i was in the world cup in south prince harry south africa with prince harry to pals . i south africa with prince harry to pals. i won't south africa with prince harry to pals . i won't say the to his pals. i won't say the face he gave when he knew i was next door to harry in the hotel. the same hotel in south africa was something else. so yeah, i've got a few stories. we'll save it for another book. but yeah, the living legend of aviation . yeah, the living legend of aviation. i'd like to yeah, the living legend of aviation . i'd like to call yeah, the living legend of aviation. i'd like to call him prince of the old bailey. or maybe bailey out because he's. >> he's decided not to go

through with it and wisely , he. through with it and wisely, he. i mean, that was the right decision , harry, because it was decision, harry, because it was going to cost him and absolute fortune and also in his reputation because sadly, he wasn't going to win this case. >> he knew it. >> he knew it. >> the court knew it. his lawyers it. >> the court knew it. his law um, it. >> the court knew it. his law um, and it. >> the court knew it. his lawum, and he's gracefully >> um, and he's gracefully withdrawn , or should i say withdrawn, or should i say disgracefully, because he's still got egg on his face? >> let tell you. um, look , >> let me tell you. um, look, harry doesn't seem to realise that litigation is very expensive . it's very stressful. expensive. it's very stressful. it's not like a row in the kitchen with your brother about a broken necklace. this is so expensive . and it can really, expensive. and it can really, really , i mean, totally ruin really, i mean, totally ruin you. not just, you know, financially, but in your reputation. and this is what was going to happen. sadly to harry. but harry doesn't seem to realise in court you need evidence . yes, you need proof. evidence. yes, you need proof. it's not just hearsay . and you it's not just hearsay. and you can't be dabbing both, you know, saying, look, i want this story put in the press. but now, now i don't want it. no, no, no. and

stamp . it's not like stamp your feet. it's not like that, and sadly, he's that, harry. and sadly, he's learned the cost of over learned that to the cost of over 750, has he? >> he's got three more on the go. >> he has three more. >> he has three more. >> and he, you know, i you know, because i don't want to see him penniless. but the way he's going will matthew going on, he will be matthew laza. absolutely. going on, he will be matthew laza. ab iylutely. going on, he will be matthew laza. ab i wanty. going on, he will be matthew laza. ab i want to make none >> well i want to make sure none of paying any of our money ends up paying any of our money ends up paying any of you of our money ends up paying any of a you of our money ends up paying any of a slightly you of our money ends up paying any of a slightly roundaboutou route. >> obviously, he's not getting money directly from what was the civil anymore. money directly from what was the civi the anymore. money directly from what was the civi the royallore. money directly from what was the civi the royal grant, as he's not >> the royal grant, as he's not a royal. obviously >> the royal grant, as he's not a all royal. obviously >> the royal grant, as he's not a all kind royal. obviously >> the royal grant, as he's not a all kind of,3l. obviously >> the royal grant, as he's not a all kind of,3l. know'iously >> the royal grant, as he's not a all kind of,3l. know ,)usly it all kind of, you know, creative etc, creative accounting, etc, you know , so i it's absolutely know, so i think it's absolutely sensible thing to do. >> but i hope he learns his lesson. >> so you say there were three more. let's hope that perhaps gently, at least more of gently, at least one more of those dropped. um because those is dropped. um because otherwise it's to end up, otherwise it's going to end up, he's end trouble. he's going to end up in trouble. and it a and i just think it leaves a nasty taste in the nasty sort of taste in the mouth, because as mouth, doesn't it? because as you monologue, it you say in your monologue, it contrasts royal family, you say in your monologue, it contrwhen royal family, you say in your monologue, it contrwhen things royal family, you say in your monologue, it contrwhen things are 'al family, you say in your monologue, it contrwhen things are 'al féabout who, when things are said about them, they don't they don't agree they on agree with, they take it on the chin they dignity chin and they show dignity and instead himself chin and they show dignity and instead in himself chin and they show dignity and instead in a himself chin and they show dignity and instead in a fightmself chin and they show dignity and instead in a fight thatf chin and they show dignity and instead in a fight that he's involved in a fight that he's not even lost because he hasn't got that far. he's had to withdraw marched

withdraw having sort of marched halfwaybut what is winning? >> but but what is winning? what is is what is winning. is winning is what is winning. if they said, great, you've won. now you've got all these costs to this is not winning. so to pay. this is not winning. so you winning staying you know, winning is staying silent , you know, winning is staying silent, winning the support of those around you who maybe, you know, look at what know, the public look at what the family have done. know, the public look at what the justmily have done. know, the public look at what the just they've ie done. know, the public look at what the just they've been1e. know, the public look at what the just they've been very they've just they've been very calm. they've stepped back. and in all this calm. they've stepped back. and in been all this calm. they've stepped back. and in been happening all this calm. they've stepped back. and in been happening, all this calm. they've stepped back. and in been happening, uh,|ll this calm. they've stepped back. and in been happening, uh, king s has been happening, uh, king charles, obviously put got charles, they obviously put got a bill passed that harry a bill passed so that harry cannot be an andrew can't be directly sort of. well, they're still in the line of succession, but it's not easy them to but it's not easy for them to take incapacitated. take over if he's incapacitated. so you know, and that's what's been on. yeah, absolutely. been going on. yeah, absolutely. >> and it's dreadful actually, because what's going on because we look what's going on with kate with our king with, with kate who's in hospital and we wish her all well as we do with king charles. but you know that he called his book, 'spare' that's what he was to step in when things like this happened. >> but even that he's blown it, but blown it. but he's blown it. >> you know, he's blown he >> you know, he's blown it. he wants dragon slayer wants to be this dragon slayer off the press. >> not even the spare

anymore. >> absolutely not the spare. not even and sadly for >> he wants to. and sadly for prince he he can't. he prince harry, he he can't. he just blames the press for that. sadly, the death of his mother. and we all know i'm sorry. it was a drunken driver. and we all know i'm sorry. it was a drunken driver . she wasn't was a drunken driver. she wasn't wearing, wearing a seatbelt . and wearing, wearing a seatbelt. and he will go on. and this has been his to get the press his campaign to get the press morning, noon and night. sorry, harry. it's time to give it up andifs harry. it's time to give it up and it's time to concentrate on what he's to next, what he's going to do next, because what he's going to do next, beca it? isn't it? >> w- e“— e things are. well, >> because things are. well, yeah, because complaining. yeah, because he's complaining. one the one of the court cases about the protection for his family, the security protection. but what about protection about the financial protection that a big, that he's just taking a big, big, great big hole in his financial, uh, ship ? financial, uh, ship? >> what did harry think it was, rent a cop? what he rent a cop? what does he actually doesn't make actually think? he doesn't make any sadly, i know any sense. and sadly, i know someone that's been working on this case harry, he this case with harry, and he wouldn't take no for an answer. they telling this they were telling him this wasn't out. he wasn't going to work out. he didn't to listen. he brings didn't want to listen. he brings his into question, his judgement into question, doesn't yes, it certainly doesn't it? yes, it certainly doesn't it? yes, it certainly does. >> god, does. » god, does. >> god, know why. look, >> god, i don't know why. look, he's got this this beautiful wife. i don't know what she's like. i've never met like. personally, i've never met her. uh he's got

her. you have lizzy. uh he's got two beautiful kids. we never see them side on what they look like ehhen them side on what they look like either. they. they've only them side on what they look like eithe|to they. they've only them side on what they look like eithe|to britain. they've only them side on what they look like eithe|to britain once, 've only them side on what they look like eithe|to britain once, haven't been to britain once, haven't they? they've really, really nice. all the money nice. and he's got all the money that he really could want. in fact, the world fact, all the money in the world if wanted to. and he if he really wanted to. and he could had this wonderful could have had this wonderful role which he's role as, as a spare, which he's whingeing isn't any whingeing about, which isn't any more . so it should be more anyway. so it should be glad that. could glad about that. but he could have had this wonderful life and just not to take the just not having to take the pressure spotlight, but pressure of the spotlight, but just slightly under just sitting just slightly under it, where you get all the benefits. of the aggro. benefits. but none of the aggro. and he couldn't see what a wonderful position that is. >> is >> and he all he's done is whinged moan and talked whinged and moan and talked about sold stories about his family. sold stories about his family. sold stories about family that weren't about his family that weren't true, taking anyone to court. i mean, he is prince of the old bailey, but it's not working out. harry, you need to stop. they really need to get a grip of reality and be very thankful for what they've got. >> why don't they just try and, you most people would be. you know, most people would be. i would overjoyed if i was i would be overjoyed if i was queen nana. and by way, queen nana. and by the way, i looked what nana means. looked at what nana means. nana is put in front the is what they put in front of the royals in ghana. so it'll nana.

yeah da da da da da or so male female. so i'm royal sort of thing. >> i'm queen. >> i'm queen. >> like we always thought you had had had majesty about you. >> but unfortunately i'm in that place you're not quite the place where you're not quite the royal, you're sort of under. royal, but you're sort of under. you're without you're the spare, but without the money, which you're doing better than us commoners. well, that's be if he's that's where he will be if he's not wish would take >> i wish he would take a leaf out his brother's book and out of his brother's book and look wonderfully he has been look how wonderfully he has been . his wife going . and his poor wife going through going through all what she's going through all what she's going through the i think through at the moment. i think harry and meghan should really take at themselves take a good look at themselves and shame them. and shame on them. >> they going to call >> what are they going to call the next edition of the book? a former spare more. >> not spare. another >> not spare. there is another book. there is book. i've heard it. there is another coming. oh, god, another book coming. oh, god, another book coming. oh, god, another book? >> think this one. no another book? >> going hink this one. no another book? >> going t01k this one. no another book? >> going to buy.s one. no another book? >> going to buy. you e. no another book? >> going to buy. you e. n(what one's going to buy. you saw what happened book happened to scooby doo's book obe what obe scabies. what was the what happened nobody happened to that book? nobody bought something like bought it. it was something like 900 i think prince 900 on amazon. so i think prince harry, i don't think people will 900 on amazon. so i think prince ha buyingyn't think people will 900 on amazon. so i think prince ha buying this hink people will 900 on amazon. so i think prince ha buying this hink pifyple will 900 on amazon. so i think prince ha buying this hink pifyple does be buying this again if he does come book. but come out with another book. but if you just tuned in, welcome on board. news. it board. this is gb news. it is fast 17 minutes fast approaching 17 minutes after i'm nana akua live after 4:00. i'm nana akua live on tv online and the digital

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>> britain's news channel. >> britain's news channel. >> so welcome back. it's just coming up to 21 minutes after 4:00. this is a gb news. i'm nana akua now before the break i was discussing uh, king charles and also mentioned harry and his , uh, the fact that he's not doing his all his legal stuff. he's pulled out of one of his legal claims against the mail on sunday. let's what sunday. let's see what you've been says been saying. matthew says in regard prince harry and his regard to prince harry and his woes, wise man once said, if woes, a wise man once said, if you don't start none, there won't none . i like that it's won't be none. i like that it's true, isn't it ? margaret says. true, isn't it? margaret says. great that, harry is not great to hear that, harry is not continuing his libel case. what would really be great is if he just swallowed his pride and offered his help to the family, just swallowed his pride and offthingss help to the family, just swallowed his pride and offthings areelp to the family, just swallowed his pride and offthings are rather he family, just swallowed his pride and offthings are rather difficulty, as things are rather difficult at and we at the moment. yeah, and we would all be quite would actually all be quite happy to see him as long as happy to see him back as long as he that he doesn't come with that attitude always attitude where he's always whingeing everything. whingeing about everything. and lucy says, shameless lucy says, what a shameless waste isn't it ? think waste of money, isn't it? think of you have done with of what you could have done with that. harry, that. uh, she says, harry, you could 750 a could have given 750 k to a deserving absolutely me

deserving charity. absolutely me and maureen says rather coincidental that harry, all of a sudden is dropping his libel case.is a sudden is dropping his libel case. is he now worried about his position when father is his position when his father is being admitted hospital with being admitted to hospital with health interesting health issues? yes. interesting i didn't actually look at it at that but that's that angle, but that's an interesting point. keep your thoughts coming. vaiews@gbnews.com. but it's time now for the great british debate this hour. and asking debate this hour. and i'm asking should be allowed should asylum seekers be allowed to work? according to data obtained under the freedom of information laws, migrants arriving through the channel have been discreetly granted the right to work in industries such as care, construction and agriculture. now they are permitted employment in sectors facing staff shortages and receive 80% of the going pay rate. european nations have previously blamed migrant crossings on the generosity of britain's work and welfare system. so what do you think the great british debate? this i'm asking, should asylum seekers be allowed to work well to discuss this, i'm joined by former international security adviser henry bolton, political commentator and author tony

buxton, and social buxton, author and social cohesion expert raqeeb ahsan, and political commentator benedict spence . right. so i'm benedict spence. right. so i'm going to start with you, raqib. and should and what do you think? should they to work? what they be allowed to work? what are thoughts ? are your thoughts? >> uh, my view nana is absolutely not. uh, i think there needs to be a very clear line between keen asylum seekers , uh, who have claims that are being considered and those who are granted genuine refugee status . status. >> i have to say, nana the telegraph article which covered this. >> to i had read it twice to actually believe this was actually believe this was actually government policy. i find absolute incredible. uh, find it absolute incredible. uh, not only this would act as a pull factor, we already have a serious problem with illegal migration on the english south coast there's grave coast. i think there's a grave injustice here because asylum seekers, of whom in might seekers, many of whom in might have entered the country illegally, would be offered the chance to work, but would also benefit from state funded accommodation and food and to be quite honest, many brits who are languishing in very low paid roles but also have to pay

eye—watering rent rates, as well as having to cope with stubbornly, who, uh, stubbornly high food prices. and i think that's grossly unfair. >> um, well, a lot of people might say that actually, rather than us paying for them , it than us paying for them, it would be better that they actually contribute . uh, let's actually contribute. uh, let's let's go to , um, henry, you let's go to, um, henry, you probably said the same thing, actually. tonya. tonya, what are your thoughts this ? um, i'm your thoughts on this? um, i'm saying same thing as well . i saying the same thing as well. i think this is going to be a pull factor nigel farage said, factor as a nigel farage said, to getting people coming into the can you imagine the >> can you imagine the traffickers going traffickers are now going to advertise only can we advertise that not only can we get you over to britain, but we can jobs and free board can get you jobs and free board as . as well. >> em- as well. >> really terrible >> so it's a really terrible thing. it it's a bad idea. and the fact that it took a freedom of information, uh , from the of information, uh, from the telegraph to find out it shows you that the government were doing it quite sneakily. they you that the government were doing itwante sneakily. they you that the government were doing itwant us|eakily. they you that the government were doing itwant us to kily. they you that the government were doing itwant us to know hey you that the government were doing itwant us to know about did not want us to know about this, because it's just this, um, because it's just suddenly appeared. >> it's not been a narrative. it's not been a conversation that they've been having and not

really what the really finding out what what the public's because public's view was. because i think probably think most people would probably find outrageous. bolton find it outrageous. henry bolton yeah, the answer nana is no, they shouldn't be doing this. >> and it's disgusting that the government has done it in such an opaque manner. the first thing is we've just we've just gone through the rwanda bill, haven't we? and all the shenanigans that. and shenanigans about that. and that's going on, of that's still going on, of course, because it's got to go to thing here to the lords. but the thing here is we've been told that that's to the lords. but the thing here is vto ve been told that that's to the lords. but the thing here is vto ve la en told that that's to the lords. but the thing here is vto ve ia deterrentiat that's to the lords. but the thing here is vto ve ia deterrent because for to be a deterrent because the wants to deter the government wants to deter people crossing the people from crossing the channel. well, you know, i don't think there are many viewers watching now who would watching this now who would think these people a think offering these people a job they get here is much job when they get here is much of a deterrent? so that's point number one. point number two is most these will most of these people will have been on the, uh, the been employed on the, uh, the bafis been employed on the, uh, the basis that they only get paid 80% of what a british worker would get paid. so, for example, if in in sectors that are looking for low skilled workers , looking for low skilled workers, such as the care industry and so on, they are being paid 80% less than a british worker. they are

pricing people, british workers out of the market. and the third thing is, you know, as has already been said, this is a massive marketing opportunity for the people's smugglers. you know, it is absolutely mind boggung know, it is absolutely mind boggling stupid that the home office has gone down this route and as for people saying they're contributing , hold on. actually, contributing, hold on. actually, henry . henry. >> yeah, there will have been there for a year. so this is for people who've been there for about a year , and we've been about a year, and we've been paying about a year, and we've been paying now . this is paying for them now. this is like we're paying how much? 8 million a day for these people , million a day for these people, and they're not contributing at all. nothing much is going to change. so surely it's better to get out of them get get money out of them and get them making money them working and making money than paying for them. henry, is that no, because that not better? no no, because actually, all all of the all of the actual analysis shows that they actually on net cost us money. >> so you're attracting more over that are costing us money. but but that aside, i mean, if you are um, the reason that

they're here for so long and rishi sunak has told us that the backlog was cleared, it hasn't been cleared . there's still been cleared. there's still about 100,000 people in the backlog . um, but the problem is backlog. um, but the problem is the resourcing of the staff that are processing these people. they're only for here a year plus, because we can't turn it around any quicker. well, perhaps they could use some of these. >> perhaps they could use some of these channel migrants to process go process their claims. let's go to benedict spence. >> well, no , no, i >> well, well, no, no, i wouldn't surprise me. it really wouldn't. >> benedict spence , we're going >> benedict spence, we're going to create a sort of a kapo system where these ones get special treatment. >> they can stay as long as they deport their fellow fellow asylum seekers, i think. i mean, the problem is not bad idea. >> actually, this isn't going to be a debate, afraid. >> actually, this isn't going to be and a debate, afraid. >> actually, this isn't going to be and the a debate, afraid. >> actually, this isn't going to be and the other ate, afraid. >> actually, this isn't going to be and the other three, afraid. >> actually, this isn't going to be and the other three, uh, raid. >> and the other three, uh, members of this panel have all said points for me. said many of my points for me. uh, that, but uh, so sorry about that, but i do think that there's, um , i do think that there's, um, i think actually something think that actually something we've not touched because we've not touched upon because we've not touched upon because we've just about we've touched upon just about everything, is that actually

this is rather cruel. think , this is rather cruel. i think, to people who are claiming asylum in this country , um, who asylum in this country, um, who have no real idea what the time line might be under which they may or may not be sent back , and may or may not be sent back, and they're told, well, whilst you're here, you can do this little bit of labour, you can do this and who maybe this work. and who knows, maybe it's to them as a sort of a it's sold to them as a sort of a well, actually help well, this might actually help your show your case. maybe if you show that prepared on that you're to prepared work on subsistence wages in very poor accommodation, maybe, maybe there's favour and there's work in your favour and then some point then who knows, at some point maybe get to stay and maybe you get to stay and they're be consistently they're going to be consistently working whole time, not working this whole time, not knowing the going knowing if the rug is going to be out under be sort of pulled out from under their well, their feet as a sort of well, you're actually of any value their feet as a sort of well, yo us. actually of any value their feet as a sort of well, yo us. you're tually of any value their feet as a sort of well, yo us. you're just .y of any value their feet as a sort of well, yo us. you're just here any value their feet as a sort of well, yo us. you're just here anywork e to us. you're just here to work very dirt poor conditions and maybe we send you home, maybe we don't. i think that's don't. i don't think that that's the best way of dealing with it. i think henry is saying is i think what henry is saying is correct, actually, that this i think what henry is saying is c(wayt, actually, that this i think what henry is saying is away ofictually, that this i think what henry is saying is away of theally, that this i think what henry is saying is away of the government; i think what henry is saying is away of the government being a way of the government being able there's a way of the government being able value there's a way of the government being able value being there's a way of the government being able value being intoere's a way of the government being able value being into the some value being put into the system what system by these people. and what the doesn't have the government then doesn't have to them very to do is process them very quickly them, which quickly and say to them, which can difficult , yes, can be rather difficult, yes, you're going stay we need you're going to stay and we need to no, you're

to pay for you or no, you're not, sending home. not, and we're sending you home. that sort thing that should be the sort of thing that is completed within a matter simply matter of weeks. and it simply isn't. being out of isn't. it's being drawn out of a month people false hope. month giving people false hope. if you then allow them to enter the workforce to then perhaps have that taken away from them. >> oh, poor things , tonya, what >> oh, poor things, tonya, what is doing ? is this really doing? >> the >> is highlighting the incompetence of the government. that's all it's doing. it's a nightmare we nightmare for rishi because we hadnt nightmare for rishi because we hadn't looked at this. and hadn't even looked at this. and now realising that now everyone's realising that people for over a year , people are here for over a year, just, free just, you know, getting free board , getting free board, getting free accommodation, a mess of accommodation, making a mess of our communities. um, so this is a big, big nightmare for rishi and really what it should be taking our minds back to is the fact that have an incompetent fact that we have an incompetent government. i mean, not that i think would any better government. i mean, not that i thiall, would any better government. i mean, not that i thiall, but would any better government. i mean, not that i thiall, but the 'ould any better government. i mean, not that i thiall, but the bigj any better government. i mean, not that i thiall, but the big problem better government. i mean, not that i thiall, but the big problem istter at all, but the big problem is let's get people in and out within a month. that's what they should arrive in the country and they staying they should be either staying or out that's what out within a month. that's what needs to be done. >> well, no reason why needs to be done. >> 'can't no reason why needs to be done. >> 'can't screen no reason why needs to be done. >> 'can't screen them ason why needs to be done. >> 'can't screen them asyyou've you can't screen them if you've got the resources, them got the resources, screen them immediately. and the thing immediately. and the other thing is , it's not just an is, it's not just an assumption as to whether or they'd

as to whether or not they'd be able but actually you able to stay, but actually you will if they appeal against will find if they appeal against removal, then the argument will be that they've got settled life here. employment, here. they've got employment, they've , they've got accommodation, they've got accommodation, they've maybe if they've made friends. maybe if they've made friends. maybe if they relationships and they got into relationships and so and that will be an so on, and that will be an obstacle removing anyway obstacle to removing them anyway . shouldn't . people who shouldn't have been here in the first place. >> i don't think that we should be for legal challenges. be paying for legal challenges. i are , if i think that if you are, if you're have a legal you're going to have a legal challenge, pay for challenge, you have to pay for it gibb no, no, it yourself. nick gibb no, no, i just the point that just make the point that actually, system actually, the way the system would be constituted, this would be constituted, um, this way, it actually offers , in my way, it actually offers, in my view, some illegal migrants, the opportunity to accumulate wealth, which is quite astonishing because many law abiding british citizens simply do not have the opportunity to do not have the opportunity to do that because they're in very precarious, low paid , um, precarious, low paid, um, sections of the labour market. >> i said, have >> and as i said, they have significant . >> and as i said, they have significant. housing and food costs. so along with the fact that it's a pull factor, i think that it's a pull factor, i think that there's a grave injustice at here. that there's a grave injustice at okay.are. that there's a grave injustice at okay. well, i want a yes or >> okay. well, i want a yes or no from so i'm going to no from you. so i'm going to start bolton start with you. henry bolton should, , they they

should, uh, they should they be allowed no ? allowed to work? yes or no? >> uh, big capital editors highlighted no . highlighted no. >> tonia buxton. yes or no ? >> tonia buxton. yes or no? >> tonia buxton. yes or no? >> no way. no >> no way. no >> uh, benedict spence, yes or no ? no? >> i suspect it's going to be a clean sweep , but mine's no as well. >> and rakib hasan , it will be >> and rakib hasan, it will be a clean sweep. >> it's a no from me. >> well, i actually think that perhaps i would like to make them useful. and i personally think that they be allowed them useful. and i personally thiwork,at they be allowed them useful. and i personally thiwork,at tth be allowed them useful. and i personally thiwork,at thi would be allowed them useful. and i personally thiwork,at thi would have llowed to work, but i would have them processed then to work, but i would have them procewouldn't then to work, but i would have them procewouldn't even then to work, but i would have them procewouldn't even get then to work, but i would have them procewouldn't even get tfari to work, but i would have them procewouldn't even get tfar. they wouldn't even get that far. but thank you very much to all of rakib hasan. uh, of you, doctor rakib hasan. uh, benedict spence, tony buxton and henry bolton. lovely talk henry bolton. lovely to talk to you. really good. right. so you. all really good. right. so what do you think at home? gb views gbnews.com or tweet me at gb me, i'm gb news if you're with me, i'm nana live on tv, nana akua. we're live on tv, onune nana akua. we're live on tv, online on digital radio. online and on digital radio. coming up, it's time for the great hour. coming up, it's time for the greai'm hour. coming up, it's time for the greai'm asking, hour. coming up, it's time for the greai'm asking, should hour. coming up, it's time for the greai'm asking, should asylum and i'm asking, should asylum seekers be allowed work? seekers be allowed to work? you'll the thoughts of my you'll hear the thoughts of my panel matthew laza and lizzie cundy come though my cundy still to come though my difficult conversation is with danielle mason . she's sister danielle mason. she's the sister of and star of eastenders actress and star jessie wallace, known for

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industries such as care, construction and agriculture . so construction and agriculture. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking should they be allowed to work honestly? right. so let's see what my panel make of that. i'll start with you, matthew laza. >> they should nana >> so i think they should nana after . after. >> let's just be clear. >> let's just be clear. >> this this is after >> this is a this is after they've has they've the government has failed process their failed to process their applications for a year. so i'd ideally to see is ideally like to see is applications processed in weeks not months. and people who shouldn't home. so shouldn't be here sent home. so that's and that's obviously the ideal. and labour my party has pledged to employ a thousand more people to process whilst process those cases. but whilst people for here over people are sitting for here over a let's get them doing a year, let's get them doing something than something useful rather than sitting in the hotels, sitting around in the hotels, which many them are, which is where many of them are, um, hanging around on um, you know, hanging around on street corners, which is one of the complaints hear from the complaints you hear from local that they local communities that they because are because it's 93% of them, are men so therefore of men. so therefore it's groups of men. so therefore it's groups of men on street men hanging around on street corners, is corners, which is what which is what you . what worrying worrying you. they're only in the short. they're only in the short. they're if they're only allowed to apply if they have to apply for a permission do this. and permission to do this. and they're only allowed in shortage sectors. them. sectors. care is one of them. i suspect them be suspect most of them will be going and going into agriculture and be picking which going into agriculture and be pick massive which going into agriculture and be pickmassive shortage. which going into agriculture and be pickmassive shortage. witch is a massive shortage. so it

seems that. seems to me that. >> but what about the argument that to invite that this is a draw to invite more people to come do that? more people to come and do that? you thinking, oh, i'm you might be thinking, oh, i'm going to money them, going to get money from them, but end going but in the end you're going to have people in but in the end you're going to havthe people in but in the end you're going to havthe jobs. people in but in the end you're going to hav i 1e jobs. people in but in the end you're going to havi thinks. people in but in the end you're going to havi think it people in but in the end you're going to havi think it would)le in but in the end you're going to havi think it would be in but in the end you're going to havi think it would be of n >> i think it would be more of a draw was from day one. draw if it was from day one. the thing a year, thing is, is it after a year, you've year where you're you've had a year where you're not allowed work, not not allowed to work, you're not allowed to earn any money where you're £48.13 allowance you're on the £48.13 allowance now. and of course, they now. and of course, when they when they're working, they, they have to they don't get the £48.13 allowance and they can stay accommodation, stay in the accommodation, but they towards stay in the accommodation, but theyaccommodation towards stay in the accommodation, but theyaccommodation from )wards stay in the accommodation, but theyaccommodation from theirs stay in the accommodation, but theyacc so modation from theirs stay in the accommodation, but theyacc so moleast1 from theirs stay in the accommodation, but theyacc so moleast the m theirs wages. so at least the government some of wages. so at least the gov moneyt some of wages. so at least the gov money back. some of the money back. >> yes. but what is the government's get government's incentive to get them they they them processed if they know they can exactly. we've already got 94,000 >> we've already got 94,000 asylum seekers still awaiting to be processed. i'm sorry , who is be processed. i'm sorry, who is doing the safety checks here? we don't know where they're from. we know they throw away their official papers when some arrive. know their arrive. we don't know their background. they could be terrorists . they could be terrorists. they could be criminals. i don't want them looking after my mother . if looking after my mother. if they're. if in care, would they're. if she's in care, would you you? and why hasn't you. would you? and why hasn't this commonly known? i do this been commonly known? i do know this. know about this. >> no, no, no, no.

>> terrorist looking after our parents. well it could happen, but probably wouldn't come but they probably wouldn't come down the migrant route. these terrorists. because terrorists. probably because they terrorists. probably because the and have choice >> and they have the choice about well. it's about working as well. so it's people actually to people who are actually want to work around , work rather than hanging around, not going to be a terrorist because, you know, you're already country, you'd go already in the country, you'd go and you wouldn't and be a terrorist. you wouldn't go and work in a care home at the time. the same time. >> then. >> that's all right then. >> that's all right then. >> i mean, it's not >> but no, no, i mean, it's not comforting we we comforting cause we should we should be processing the applications so much faster. but >> they should. applications so much faster. but >> that's they should. applications so much faster. but >> that's what they should. applications so much faster. but >> that's what the hey should. applications so much faster. but >> that's what the problem ld. applications so much faster. but >> that's what the problem is and that's what the problem is with you know, migrants waiting oven over, you know, two years some to actually processed is to be actually processed is absolutely disgusting. and the thing is though, it's shortening our own labour because they , our own labour because they, they, they're being halved. i spoke to a builder friend of mine and he's really disgusted with this because he said , who's with this because he said, who's going know, employ me going to, you know, employ me when someone will do it for much cheaper? >> he did point that out that it will undercut the actual labour market. again , you up market. so again, you end up with thing with with the same thing you had with the eu , except for these are the eu, except for these are asylum seekers. why asylum seekers. now that's why i think think

think it's i mean, i think firstly this is absolutely right. >> it's outrageous. the government this government has been keeping this quiet, literally only freedom of information quiet, literally only freedom of infornthe)n quiet, literally only freedom of infornthe telegraph this week think the telegraph this week and today, yesterday, in fact, he covered them. but what we need to know is that they're going into into areas of the economy where they're going going into into areas of the ecyundercut. ere they're going to undercut. >> particularly >> so particularly in construction , construction is construction, construction is more danger. >> i think agriculture they >> i think the agriculture they should be focussed on where we've are we've seen that there are literally huge shortages because they can't get people to pick things mess . things is a shambolic mess. >> the home is >> the home office is a shambolic issue . that you shambolic issue. that and you know got stick know what, you've got to stick by coming by the rules. people are coming over illegally . that means over here illegally. that means they're criminals . over here illegally. that means they're criminals. i'm sorry. the needs to get the government needs to get themselves into action. it's all all talk and waffle. no action and process. but they've come up with some action. >> though the thing is, though, it seems that every time they're damned they're damned if they do, they're damned if they do, they're damned time damned if they don't. every time they come up with one plan that would us money would potentially save us money in hotel bills in terms of their hotel bills and everyone and all the then everyone saying, , they can't do saying, oh no, they can't do that. so what would you have them doing? because haven't them doing? because we haven't got the solution to the processing more quickly. >> who are. >> i don't know who they are. >> i don't know who they are. >> for

>> so you just keep paying for them. first, the first order >> in the first, the first order of any government is to look after people. this after its own people. yeah. this is looked after. and is not being looked after. and it's we're paying it's not right that we're paying 8 a day in hotels. well, 8 million a day in hotels. well, that's i would that's why some of us, i would say they're send say if they're working to send them uk territories them back to the uk territories like georgia, falkland like south georgia, the falkland , do a detention centre and get them processed within days. and send them back. and if they if they're legitimately in a fleeing from a torn country, fleeing from a war torn country, which isn't france, by the way , which isn't france, by the way, then stay. but then yes, let them stay. but otherwise falklands. >> don't what the >> i don't know what the population the falklands population of in the falklands of that, they of places like that, but they probably wouldn't . how many? of places like that, but they proia bly wouldn't . how many? of places like that, but they proia bly ithousand, how many? of places like that, but they proia bly ithousand, iow many? of places like that, but they proia bly ithousand, i think. ny? it's a few thousand, i think. >> , 80,000. >> yeah, 80,000. >> yeah, 80,000. >> would, would, >> well they would, they would, they overrun they would, they would overrun they would, they would overrun the falklands . the falklands. >> but. >> but. >> and the people in the falklands want them >> and the people in the falklieither. want them there either. >> are uk >> there are other uk territories could go to it. territories they could go to it. we to do something . this we need to do something. this isn't the right solution. and i know because i've had so many calls as soon this broke calls as soon as this news broke saying number one, they didn't know mps didn't know know about it. mps didn't know about this and people are seriously worried and i can totally understand sending a lot of questions about it.

>> there are other countries there. i think the united >> there are other countries there. people nk the united >> there are other countries there. people came united >> there are other countries there. people can work. ted >> there are other countries there. people can work. there states people can work. there are although are other countries. although having that, you've having said that, you've seen the america the problem of america are having with this 10,000 people coming day from their coming in a day from their borders. um , i, i'm in two borders. so, um, i, i'm in two minds with it because i think, yes, it would be great if you could get people to work and do some those but then some of those jobs, but then rather than costing us. but rather than them costing us. but i'm it'll i'm not sure whether it'll actually anyway. actually save us money anyway. but look, about the language barriers, barriers, barriers, the cultural barriers, all the other things that go into it and strain is into it and the strain this is putting our infrastructure, putting on our infrastructure, on our housing. on our on our housing. >> i think we i think we all agree that we want them processed were faster. processed and they were faster. they could just go disappearing into the economy. let's look at this realistically . yeah. this this realistically. yeah. this is well they've already is not well they've already disappeared. lizzie. >> , they've already >> lizzie, they've already disappeared of five. disappeared out of the five. >> to know why we weren't >> i want to know why we weren't told about this. >> i agree you. >> no, i agree with you. >> no, i agree with you. >> i to that, >> i want to know that, too. >> i want to know that, too. >> do you know you can't keep this secret because people. there's a conspiracy. >> obviously there's a conspiracy. >> is obviously there's a conspiracy. >> is sortyiously there's a conspiracy. >> is sort ostly clearly is some sort of conspiracy. you remember, out of the they the 5000 migrants that they had, they've they the 5000 migrants that they had, they700. they they the 5000 migrants that they had, they700. they could they the 5000 migrants that they had, they700. they could find. ey had 700. they could find. i mean, that's embarrassing. so i don't the answer to don't really know the answer to that. i think in my view, that. but i think in my view,

they to process they just need to process them faster. so they're not here for a that doesn't a year. so that doesn't materialise. exactly, exactly. but panel make but let's see what my panel make of you guys but let's see what my panel make of thank you guys but let's see what my panel make of thank you you guys but let's see what my panel make of thank you for you guys but let's see what my panel make of thank you for that.)u guys but let's see what my panel make of thank you for that. i'm uys and thank you for that. i'm repeating myself. this repeating myself. but this show is without your is nothing without you and your views. let's welcome our great british voices. their opportunity to be the show. opportunity to be on the show. tell they about tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. let's map is let's go to bristol. the map is here. heads won't roll, here. yes. heads won't roll, which is good. let's speak to lee harris. he's a great british voice lee, what do think ? voice lee, what do you think? >> oh, it seems utterly mad to me. >> nana. >> nana. >> you know, not if we want to stop the boats. so >> no is the answer. >> no is the answer. >> you know, the government have been rightly telling us, along with crime with the national crime agency, that effective that we need an effective working deterrent . working deterrent. >> you know, if we want any chance of stopping this appalling, dangerous criminal trade of human life. people are dying in the channel. >> it's a huge security risk. >> it's a huge security risk. >> costing this country >> it's costing this country billions. and it's fundamentally not fair. >> it doesn't take a genius to work out. >> this is where i depart from what matthew was saying. although matthew, what matthew was saying. alth(just matthew, what matthew was saying. alth(just completely1ew, what matthew was saying. alth(just completely ignoring he's just completely ignoring the pull factor. >> it doesn't take a genius to

work that an effective work out that an effective deterrent be part of an deterrent needs to be part of an overall strategy, and at the moment, isn't one, the moment, there isn't one, and the pull already huge. pull factor is already huge. >> even france have been complaining that the uk is far too generous to illegal migrants. and it's making matters worse . the message is matters worse. the message is come to the uk legally on a small boat, you'll get jobs and free or very cheap accommodation. >> subsidised by the taxpayer if they are serious about deterrence, this would be stopped immediately. >> it's also a huge security risk , especially for jobs being risk, especially for jobs being offered to illegal migrants in the care sector . the care sector. >> you know, we don't know who a lot of these people are. >> was only in november last >> it was only in november last year that security services alerted us to manhunt that had alerted us to a manhunt that had been launched to try and locate six terror suspects that arrived on boats. on small boats. >> know , the other >> and, you know, the other thing i'd say is this is a cynical attempt to clear the backlog . and yet another example backlog. and yet another example of the government not being serious about stopping the boats and controlling our borders . and controlling our borders. it's thoroughly depressing. you

know , it's another know, it's another broken promise by rishi sunak and what i find utterly , they're all just i find utterly, they're all just i find utterly, they're all just i don't know, think they're i don't know, i think they're breaking promise. breaking every promise. >> flop flip flops, >> i mean, flip flop flip flops, doesn't ? rishi sunak. he's doesn't he? rishi sunak. he's not reached any of his not really reached any of his promises. a little bit promises. he's just a little bit too reach them. but he too short to reach them. but he has. he hasn't any has. but he hasn't reached any of promises . has. but he hasn't reached any of promises. and of his promises. um, and then you've reform . who are you've got reform. who are doing. yeah. i just don't know where we go this. lee where we go with this. lee harris. don't. it's harris. i really don't. it's really talk you. really good to talk to you. thank that lee thank you very much. that is lee harris. our british harris. he's our great british voice. to talk to you. voice. lovely to talk to you. crikey. at crikey. what do you think? at home? me your home? come on, give me your thoughts. com. thoughts. gb views gb news. com. i'll some of those, but i'll read some of those, but coming it's this week's coming up, it's this week's difficult danielle difficult conversation. danielle mason, sister of eastenders star jessie wallace, will be live in the studio . we'll talking the studio. we'll be talking about anxiety and about living with anxiety and claustrophobia. faced claustrophobia. she faced her worst nightmare when she was once trapped in a lift . we'll be once trapped in a lift. we'll be discussing but first, discussing that. but first, let's weather. let's get some weather. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello there! i'm greg

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good afternoon. if you just tuned in, welcome on board. this is gb news we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua now. there's always something going on in the royal household. and this week has been no different. and each saturday i like to give you who better to you a rundown and who better to do royal biographer do so than royal biographer angela levin? angela >> hello! it's been a busy week . >> hello! it's been a busy week. busy week for the royals, hasn't it? yes it's been a very busy week. >> well, where should we start? >> well, where should we start?

>> well, where should we start? >> well, to start with >> well, i think to start with the think it's . the king, because i think it's. >> let's work our way down. >> let's work our way down. >> yeah. the bottom . >> yeah. to the bottom. >> yeah. to the bottom. >> um, harry, i think he was extraordinary to say exactly what he had. >> and it was to actually get people if they were concerned about their symptoms, to go and see a doctor and the charity that the prostate cancer charity say it's a 101% more people will have come on to them to ask about their care and what they should do. and that's in a day. i mean , that's absolutely i mean, that's absolutely amazing . and so you must feel, amazing. and so you must feel, even though it's a bit squeezy . even though it's a bit squeezy. no, that's the wrong word . no, that's the wrong word. >> um, suzanne, um , okay. i've >> um, suzanne, um, okay. i've never! >> um, suzanne, um, okay. i've never i don't think i've squeezed one. really? no but it's, um, it it's actually very, um , proud. um, proud. >> i think it's marvellous of him to do that. >> i think it's marvellous of him to do that . um, and so you him to do that. um, and so you know, i hope he will be very

well . and, uh, queen camilla well. and, uh, queen camilla said that he's fine and he's itching to get back to work, so he can't feel that well at the moment because he's a man who works every single day except christmas day . so if he's not christmas day. so if he's not doing any work , he's actually doing any work, he's actually stopped. he can't be feeling all that well. but i think that, you know, it's really possibly anxiety and being extra careful. and then he'll come back full of beans and everything. um, quite quickly. >> yeah. and obviously he's a king, so we have to take extra care of the king. yes so let's, uh, shall we go straight to the bottom or somewhere in the middle? >> well, let's talk about prince harry. because as harry. yeah, because as a contrast, very so . so contrast, very much so. so i mean, he's won this ridiculous award of being one of the most amazing people flying that the world has ever known. and um, he was there yesterday evening to take the award, and john travolta was there to give it to

him . and he said, ah, remember him. and he said, ah, remember when you danced with my mother ? when you danced with my mother? i was only one. and look at us now. i expect you're still going to celebrate it every night with about what happened that you dance with her, which is a bit of a ludicrous thing, but maybe , of a ludicrous thing, but maybe, um, but what i thought was it was quite funny because he was trying to make joke afterjoke after joke , and he didn't afterjoke, and he didn't mention once about his father or or his sister in law , who he or his sister in law, who he said for years was a sister he'd always wanted . i felt he could always wanted. i felt he could have just said , you know, oh, have just said, you know, oh, it's been a shock to hear that. i wish them well , it's been a shock to hear that. i wish them well, a it's been a shock to hear that. i wish them well , a sentence, i wish them well, a sentence, but to ignore it and be super happy. but to ignore it and be super happy . he i but to ignore it and be super happy. he i felt, was actually saying , i'm completely saying, i'm completely independent. it doesn't affect me. i'm fine . i thought that wasn't. >> but that's the elephant in the room. every time he says anything isn't it? everyone's thinking, but what about thinking, yeah, but what about your i mean, he doesn't your family? i mean, he doesn't get off with that. he doesn't get off with that. he doesn't get off with that. he doesn't get off scot with get off scot free with that, even think he's

even though he might think he's not mentioned it. everyone's. i think every he that, think every time he does that, he diminish his he diminishes diminish his himself little yeah himself a little bit. yeah a little bit. >> but i when you've got >> but i think when you've got two people family who two people of your family who are and quite are unwell and it's quite a shock , like a sentence wouldn't shock, like a sentence wouldn't have of hurt. well, meanwhile meanwhile he is suing the home office for when he's here. so he's actually keeping quite a strong link . he didn't win. he's strong link. he didn't win. he's got to pay nearly £1 million for to the mail on sunday, and also to the mail on sunday, and also to his own , um, uh, lawyers . um, to his own, um, uh, lawyers. um, but actually it's very interesting because he would be very, very upset because he said in itv when his spare book came out that his main aim in his life is to make the uk press a, you know , proper, you know, it you know, proper, you know, it doesn't like what they want. and that's his thing in life. and he'll be very upset that he hasn't done that. of course it's nonsense . you can't have nonsense. you can't have somebody living in usa who's

actually trying to manoeuvre the press, but this was more important than you can imagine. more even than the money. this is something that he wanted to get. and i want to tell you very quickly, two things that i've read in robert hardman's book. um, i went to the celebration on thursday night, which was terrific . and, um, one of the terrific. and, um, one of the things was that , um, when the things was that, um, when the kids went on and on the balcony, they would be told very strictly, don't pick your nose and don't yawn. so they had to remember those are two things they had to remember. absolutely. and the queen's last red box . we know she left a list red box. we know she left a list for awards. two letters, one for the prince charles and one then king charles and one for her aide and it was immaculately done. aide and it was immaculately done . well, the one that was the done. well, the one that was the 1952, the first piece of off um official business was she had to

sign something about the commissioner of metropolitan police, who had behaved very badly sexually . oh, really? and badly sexually. oh, really? and of course, very hard for a young woman in her early 20s into this, this, this place. >> well, we've only got a few seconds angela levin, seconds left. angela levin, thank goodbye thank you very much. and goodbye . that's angela levin, royal biographer. this is gb news more to come in the next hour. it's 5:00. this is a gp news. i'm nana akua welcome on board. if you've just tuned in. we are live tv , online and on live on tv, online and on digital radio for hour, digital radio for the next hour, me panel taking me and my panel will be taking on some the big topics on some of the big topics hitting headlines hitting the headlines right now. coming my difficult coming up, my difficult conversation, i'll be speaking to danielle her life , to danielle mason on her life, family and living with claustrophobia anxiety . and claustrophobia and anxiety. and then for great british then for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, is the net zero a false the move to net zero a false economy ? but first, let's get economy? but first, let's get your news with sam your latest news with sam

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don't think much of claustrophobia. a lot of people don't understand what it's like. but for those who suffer from it, a really debilitating but for those who suffer from it, i'ma really debilitating but for those who suffer from it, i'm joined' debilitating but for those who suffer from it, i'm joined nowilitating but for those who suffer from it, i'm joined now pleased to and i'm joined now pleased to say presenter say by tv presenter danielle mason. thank you for. mason. danielle, thank you for. >> for having me . >> thanks for having me. >> thanks for having me. >> yeah. lovely to have you on. now, let's just start now, let's just let's just start with lot people with you because a lot of people would have seen you on. you've been . yeah. you've been been on itv. yeah. you've been on other shows where you've discussed and panel stuff. yes but you were also in my big fat gypsy but you were also in my big fat gypsy wedding. yes. >> ten years, quite a long time ago now. think we're talking ago now. i think we're talking about 12 years ago. yeah so it was a long time ago. um, i was presenting an mma , um, show and presenting an mma, um, show and i met my other half there, and i ended up having children. got asked to do the show, and i did it. and then, um, obviously, we got on to do other things. so. yeah >> so your, um, the show that you're presenting, you're the person that you met. he was a gypsy, | person that you met. he was a gypsy, i presume? yes he was from the traveller community. >> yes. >> yes. >> what was like? >> what was what was that like? because did you live because you did um, did you live as gypsy? as a gypsy? >> well, was part of

>> um, well, yeah, i was part of the community because obviously i the community because obviously | , the community because obviously i , um, with one. and my i was, um, with one. and my children half , i was, um, with one. and my children half, um. so. yeah children are half, um. so. yeah it was very, very different to what i'm used to. um in what way? >> because i'm sure a lot of people be wondering, what's it like? >> well , you know, like? >> well, you know, i'm quite a career woman , so it was very , career woman, so it was very, um, you know , you've got to kind um, you know, you've got to kind of take a back seat with the men, do the housework and the cooking and the cleaning and things like that. but i think the communities changed a lot. i think the women are very different now. so um, it has changed since i was part of it. >> and then doing the show and getting married during this thing , is that like, um , it was very. >> well, they actually came to i never got married. they didn't get married? no, we didn't get married . um, get married? no, we didn't get married. um, but get married? no, we didn't get married . um, but obviously i had married. um, but obviously i had my child , and it was about the my child, and it was about the child. child , my eldest, child. my child, my eldest, rudy, who's half traveller and half, um , they call it gorga . half, um, they call it gorga. um, it was about how our differences come together as a

family . me differences come together as a family. me um, and differences come together as a family . me um, and then family. me um, and then obviously, i had rudy and the film crew were there. it was really intense . it was not really intense. it was not really intense. it was not really an ideal situation . often really an ideal situation. often when you're in that much pain . when you're in that much pain. but, you baby in the but, you know, baby in the caravan . no. caravan. no. >> you know, in hospital >> well, you know, in hospital i said that i thought, no, in hospital. >> yeah. so, um, but i mean, the show did really well. it had like 15 million viewers, like more than x factor in that at the time. so it was just it was just bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. but i had been, um, in the industry previously doing page three for the sun as i was youngen three for the sun as i was younger, but now obviously as time's gone on, i've moved on to presenting, i've moved on to other things . um, yeah, that's other things. um, yeah, that's that was some time ago. >> that would never be allowed. now for the woke mindset that has suddenly emerged. you wouldn't that wouldn't be allowed to do that now, think now, would you? i don't think so. >> no. >> no. >> was em- em— >> no. >> was that like doing that? >> um, well, i was very young at the think started >> um, well, i was very young at thas think started >> um, well, i was very young at thas 21 think started >> um, well, i was very young at thas 21 and, ink started >> um, well, i was very young at thas 21 and, um, started >> um, well, i was very young at thas 21 and, um, ittarted >> um, well, i was very young at thas 21 and, um, it wasd >> um, well, i was very young at thas 21 and, um, it was really i was 21 and, um, it was really good.i i was 21 and, um, it was really good. i got to travel the world. i got meet loads of people .

i got to meet loads of people. um, i got to model different clothes as well. off the back of it, um, was doing a lot of publications. so. yeah it was good fun. i was young, it was good fun. i was young, it was good at that time . um, yeah. good at that time. um, yeah. >> because a lot of people have come through that. um, yeah. and done some great things with their they have their career. yes. they have opened it. >> it really? yes. was >> wasnt it really? yes. it was a door opener. yeah. >> a lot of people sort of looked it. actually looked down on it. but actually you're your own you're in charge of your own destiny. do it. destiny. you choose to do it. yeah. and it's brought you to, you to, do all the you know, to, to do all the things doing. you know, to, to do all the things got doing. you know, to, to do all the things got someying. you know, to, to do all the things got some big. you know, to, to do all the things got some big names >> you've got some big names that have come from page three. you've that have come from page three. you' does diy that have come from page three. you'does diy presenting that have come from page three. you' does diy presenting , that have come from page three. you'does diy presenting, um, she does the diy presenting, um, you've is it lucinda lusardi ? >> 7. >>i 7- >> i don't 7— >> i don't know 7 >> i don't know whether she ? >> i don't know whether she did. i think she did, actually. >> she presenting tv shows. >> she does presenting tv shows. >> she does presenting tv shows. >> sam, sam, sam . >> sam, sam, sam. >> sam, sam, sam. >> there's quite a few. yeah. sam smith is one of them anyway. >> not smith not the >> not sam smith not the musicians i do remember. god, no . um, so now though , now i . um, so now though, now i wanted to talk about phobia and sort of anxiety because a lot of people suffer with claustrophobia. i mean, i'm

thankfully i don't, but i can imagine what it would be like because every now and again , we because every now and again, we all probably suffer a level of it. yeah. when did you realise that you had that you were claustrophobic? >> um, think i started from >> um, i think i started from the of but didn't the age of six, but i didn't know with me . it know what was wrong with me. it was like panic attack. fear was like a panic attack. fear that over and that would come over me. and i remember say to my remember i used to say to my mum, i don't right, like mum, i don't feel right, like i just feel well. i feel just don't feel well. i feel like really scared. but could like really scared. but i could never work and it wasn't never work it out and it wasn't until i was about 18 where i went flight to mexico, and went on a flight to mexico, and i just so unwell on this i was just so unwell on this flight, and i didn't know what it was, just felt it was, but i just felt panicked. i like was panicked. i felt like i was going to die . um, and it was all going to die. um, and it was all now i've come to learn it. now i've come to learn about it. it's all about like being in a small space, not being able to control that environment. um, not being able to get off when you want to. and it's the same with lifts, uh, flights , trains, with lifts, uh, flights, trains, anything with an electric door that i'm not in control of. it makes me panic , but it's. people makes me panic, but it's. people find it really embarrassing to talk about. um, but it there's

actually so many people that have some sort of a panic disorder, whether it be claustrophobic, some sort of ocd , things like that. yeah. mhm >> now how have you managed it. >> now how have you managed it. >> um, so i went through a stage where i was avoiding situations and so i'd like avoid traffic jams because it was all about being stuck . avoid lifts. no, being stuck. avoid lifts. no, i'm taking the stairs . even if i'm taking the stairs. even if it was the top of the shard i would probably walk. um avoid flying . um, would probably walk. um avoid flying. um, and it would probably walk. um avoid flying . um, and it got to flying. um, and it got to a point where i was like, this is actually controlling my life now, and i want to do things. i want to be going travelling again, like i want to be, um , again, like i want to be, um, having a good time and making the most of my life because you only live once. so i come to the decision that i was going to get, um, therapy for me. so i had therapy. i went to the doctors and i got some tablets that i take every day. i still take them now called, uh, flux , take them now called, uh, flux, which is for anxiety disorder. >> your doctor prescribed this?

>> your doctor prescribed this? >> yes, my doctor prescribed them . them. >> yeah. suffering from anxiety. and these things. that's the first place to go? >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> so get an appointment . yeah. >> if you could get an appointment. >> it is, isn't it? literally >> it is, isn't it? literally >> yeah. very hard . um, so, uh, >> yeah. very hard. um, so, uh, the tablets that i was prescribed, they actually put that bit of, um. oh. >> so they help you ? >> so they help you? >> so they help you? >> uh, what is it? because with anxiety disorder, it's something that's missing out of your brain. you're not getting enough i >>i -- >> i don't know , is it oxytocin? >> i don't know, is it oxytocin? is it that oxytocin? >> dopamine. dopamine >> dopamine. dopamine >> dopamine. dopamine >> dopamine is the pleasure , um, >> dopamine is the pleasure, um, hormone. that or the pleasure one? they're. >> oh. oops. so when you know, because when you have a baby, apparently we have lots of oxytocin, you can't the oxytocin, so you can't feel the pain, how is , and then forget how bad it is, and then you it again, which is . yeah. you do it again, which is. yeah. um, yeah . so it puts that little um, yeah. so it puts that little bit back in that you're missing, which is that, honestly, there's thousands and thousands, millions of people that suffer with it. um, and you don't your brain doesn't think because, i mean, before i was taking it, my

brain would go overdrive of brain would go into overdrive of thinking thinking. thinking and thinking. you're thinking and thinking. you're thinking yeah. go flying . thinking? yeah. now i go flying. i mean, i went off to abu dhabi with the last month. um with the girls last month. um i'm going everywhere at the moment. >> was that when you got trapped in the lift or was that. >> yeah, i got trapped in the lift in abu dhabi. >> that's the last >> oh, god. that's the last thing in lift. yeah. thing trapped in the lift. yeah. all the people. did you all the people. so how did you manage ? manage that? >> uh, i freaked out. i >> uh, no, i freaked out. i absolutely freaked out. so was absolutely freaked out. so i was all excited because i thought, i've done this big trip on my own girls. like, i've own with the girls. like, i've gone aeroplane, then gone on the aeroplane, and then i was getting cocky in i was getting really cocky in this . i was getting really this hotel. i was getting really cocky, and i was like, i'm going this hotel. i was getting really cogo, and i was like, i'm going this hotel. i was getting really cogo, and i lift; like, i'm going this hotel. i was getting really cogo, and i lift one, i'm going this hotel. i was getting really cogo, and i lift on my'm going this hotel. i was getting really cogo, and i lift on my own oing to go in the lift on my own because had a couple of because i'd had a couple of cocktails. i went i cocktails. i went in it and i was like, ah, between two was like, ah, stuck between two floors. my legs went was like, ah, stuck between two flcjelly my legs went was like, ah, stuck between two flcjelly . my legs went was like, ah, stuck between two flcjelly . it my legs went was like, ah, stuck between two flcjelly . it felt my legs went was like, ah, stuck between two flcjelly . it felt like' legs went was like, ah, stuck between two flcjelly . it felt like aboutwent was like, ah, stuck between two flcjelly . it felt like about an|t to jelly. it felt like about an houn to jelly. it felt like about an hour, was only five hour, but it was only five minutes. i literally minutes. i got out, i literally crawled out the lift and i was crying to this , to this arab crying to this, to this arab lady. and i was like, ah. and she helped me out the lift. and then i literally took the staircase the rest of the way up to be honest with you, though, l, to be honest with you, though, i, i think a of i, you know, i think a lot of

people crawling the people would be crawling on the floor in a lift. >> i think lifts can be quite scary. though go in scary. yeah. even though i go in the lift and i'm confident in the lift and i'm confident in the to myself, the lift, i think to myself, if you always if you know, you always think if the scenario , what do the worst case scenario, what do you the you can't you do in the lift? you can't really do anything. so get really do anything. so i get i get feeling, yeah, think get the feeling, yeah, i think everyone level it, but everyone has a level of it, but you just manage think. you just manage it. i think. yeah mine's just ten yeah that is mine's just ten times everyone else. yeah that is mine's just ten tim is everyone else. yeah that is mine's just ten tim is . everyone else. yeah that is mine's just ten tim is. i everyone else. yeah that is mine's just ten tim is. i just everyone else. yeah that is mine's just ten tim is. i just overthink one else. >> is. i just overthink everything . and that's where, everything. and that's where, you going to the doctors you know, going to the doctors help me because it put that little bit back. whatever's missing in when you've got these anxiety disorders stops anxiety disorders and it stops you from thinking that way. so yeah, well i'm good to good to hear that there is something that people can use to help them. >> and you also have a cleaning business. i understand . business. i understand. >> yeah. so i do good housekeeping as well. and i go off um , uh, go to different off to, um, uh, go to different houses and things like that. and uh, do ideal home show , which uh, do ideal home show, which i've just been booked again to do in march. i did it last year. ihave do in march. i did it last year. i have my own shows there, which i have my own shows there, which i produce and, present and i produce and, um, present and show. um, the audience , all

show. um, the audience, all these cleaning hacks . show. um, the audience, all these cleaning hacks. um, yeah. and i took it to the shopping channel as well. ideal world. yeah. >> so what's what's the give us a good cleaning hack that can help. >> um , i always swear by, um, >> um, i always swear by, um, fairy liquid on glass tables with microfiber cloths, so i wouldn't use any other cloths apart from microfiber cloths and fairy liquid is my number one for cleaning windows and glass . for cleaning windows and glass. >> obviously there are other, um. and then try it out. >> you get no smears. >> you get no smears. >> there are other brands that you presumably you could do, so i presumably work with all sorts oh, work with all sorts of oh, sorry. yes, all sorry. yes, yes, that's all right. you know, that's right. no, but you know, that's perhaps one of but perhaps your one of choice. but there others. and so you there are others. and so you just washing just literally put the washing up of microfiber up liquid on a bit of microfiber cloth. scrub it. no water. >> yeah with of >> rough it. yeah with a bit of water. up . um, and then water. rough it up. um, and then take your dry one, your dry microfiber and just, um, dry it off and it's smear free. wow. i swear by that one. >> i bet your house is. i once went out with this guy. well, not for long. it didn't last long at all, because you come

out of the shower and don't forget use the sticky thing. out of the shower and don't forget thata the sticky thing. out of the shower and don't forget that ands sticky thing. out of the shower and don't forget that and get:ky thing. out of the shower and don't forget that and get:ky twater you do that and get any water droplets i droplets off there and all. i thought, this thought, i'm sorry, this won't last. yeah. you one of last. yeah. have you got one of those shower? those in your shower? >> no, don't do >> um, no, i don't actually do that. no i don't do that. you should dry it down, should always dry it down, though, stops you though, because that stops you getting the limescale water marks . marks. >> yeah, that won't be doing that. >> yeah, that won't be doing that . i >> yeah, that won't be doing that. i don't at >> yeah, that won't be doing that . i don't at all. that. i don't do that at all. yeah. no i bet house is yeah. no i bet your house is really pristine. yeah. no i bet your house is reaino 3ristine. yeah. no i bet your house is reaino it's ine. yeah. no i bet your house is reaino it's not. i've got two >> no it's not. i've got two kids that are running around causing my house is causing me mayhem. my house is not pristine. no. >> all right, well , what's your not pristine. no. >> aproject? well , what's your not pristine. no. >> aproject? what'snhat's your not pristine. no. >> aproject? what's the 's your next project? what's the next thing doing? thing you're doing? >> um, got ideal home >> um, so i've got ideal home show. i do, um, different show. um, i do, um, different bits of tv work with another channel sometime times. um, and, and just my presenting stuff. >> well, lovely. well, listen, don't forget to look up danielle. she's got her twitter and everything else like that. the danielle the usual place is danielle mason . thank you much. mason. thank you very much. thank having thank mason. thank you very much. tha|very having thank mason. thank you very much. tha|very much. aving thank mason. thank you very much. tha|very much. right thank mason. thank you very much. tha|very much. right well, hank mason. thank you very much. tha|very much. right well, it'sk you very much. right well, it's just coming up to 19 minutes after this is gb news after 5:00. this is gb news coming we'll be getting coming up. we'll be getting stuck into my mini debate. i'm asking where the conservatives should they cut inheritance tax

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the great british debate this hour i'm asking is the move hour and i'm asking is the move to net zero a false economy ? to net zero a false economy? because in the heart of port talbot , the steelworks isn't talbot, the steelworks isn't just industry . it's described just an industry. it's described as the pulse of the town and providing a wonderful economy and livelihoods for a significant portion of the community. in the recent announcements of job losses of up to 2500 by tata steel is a devastating blow to this welsh town town. the repercussions extend far beyond the immediate job losses affecting the entire local ecosystem , from cafes and local ecosystem, from cafes and shops to the fabric of daily life. very tragic news. all of this is in the pursuit of net zero zero emissions, zero carbon. it's been criticised for being a false economy. so for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, i'm asking is the move to net zero a false economy ? well, net zero a false economy? well, joining me discuss i've got joining me to discuss i've got bryan catt, physicist engineer at .uk . mccarthy, director of at .uk. mccarthy, director of climate media coalition, tom burke, who's the chairman of e—3g and a government adviser on climate change between 22,006 to

12. i'm going to start with you, tom. if you could give us a little bit of background as to why we are pursuing this net zero, it all mean? zero, what does it all mean? because may not zero, what does it all mean? becaiunderstand may not zero, what does it all mean? becaiunderstand it may not zero, what does it all mean? becaiunderstand it yet. fay not zero, what does it all mean? becaiunderstand it yet. wellot fully understand it yet. well all it means avoiding dangerous climate change, which will destroy our economy . destroy our economy. >> but even more urgently than that, it means being part of the, uh, a really much more smart and efficient, uh, road to economic prosperity in the future . so that's what it's future. so that's what it's about. it's about doing things better as well as making things safer . safer. >> is the suffering, though really ? do the ends justify the really? do the ends justify the means? we're looking at job losses at and will and having to rely on foreign providers for really strong steel . really strong steel. >> well, well , we've got two >> well, well, we've got two issues here. >> should we not be, should we avoid, uh, relying on others pieces of steel? >> absolutely . >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> but that's an economic issue . >> but that's an economic issue. that's not an environmental issue. well it is really, because if you're transport

steel, then aren't you going to be probably going to be using a lot of carbon to do that, aren't you or. >> no , i'm agreeing >> no, i'm agreeing with you. >> no, i'm agreeing with you. >> i'm agreeing with you. >> sorry. i'm agreeing with you. yeah. think really good yeah. i think it's a really good idea be able to have idea for us to be able to have our own production of strong steel i that's absolutely steel. i think that's absolutely right. that. that's not why right. but that. that's not why we're shutting down port talbot. we're talbot we're shutting down port talbot because as one of big because as one of the big refineries is at the end of its life. and another one of the, uh, smelters there is, uh, needs to be replaced so that we can meet our commitments under climate change. but the real primary reason we're shutting it down is because the government has decided it doesn't want to go supporting that tata steel go on supporting that tata steel to invest in steel in this country, which it's been doing for the last 20 or 30 years. >> so i think to me that sounds like a very bad idea, but let's see what, uh, donald nana i'm not sure what you think's a bad idea. >> well , well, no, i idea. >> well, well, no, i think it's a bad idea having to rely on foreign providers to make. >> really? i agree with it. yes that's that's what i'm saying.

that's what a bad ideas. i'm just telling you. you said you're sure. you're not sure. >> produce the >> clean. let's produce the clean green steel that we know how do that the markets in how to do that the markets in the future are going to want. >> going take >> we're not going to take old coal produce steel. coal fired, uh, produce steel. >> that's . now let's get on with >> that's. now let's get on with investing in producing. >> i understand i >> i understand it as i understand it, this kind of >> i understand it as i unde|thatd it, this kind of >> i understand it as i unde|that it t, this kind of >> i understand it as i unde|that it willis kind of >> i understand it as i unde|that it will produce yf steel that it will produce wouldn't do the, wouldn't be be able to do the, you know, the solid strong steel. it's a weaker steel. brian. if could confirm brian. cat, if you could confirm what steel is it? whoa what kind of steel is it? whoa whoa whoa whoa. let me ask . i'm whoa whoa whoa. let me ask. i'm going to go to brian. i'll come back brian. cat, i mean, back to you. brian. cat, i mean, am i right? am i wrong ? am i right? am i wrong? >> exactly sure what >> i'm not exactly sure what steel's they are making. >> certainly if they're making high carbon steels, they have to be coking coal as be made with coking coal as we've discussed before we've discussed this before with the mine, if you the cumbrian mine, if you remember . remember. >> um, it's just completely bonkers to take steel production away from the uk. if you're going to shut it down because it's come to the end of its useful life for instance, um, then you need to have something there to replace it with, um,

and for a large developed economy, not to have of steel manufacturing , which economy, not to have of steel manufacturing, which is inherently energy intensive , inherently energy intensive, doesn't it? where does the electricity come from? tell me. i'm quite interested to know that. then you're not a developed economy anymore . developed economy anymore. >> you need cheap, plentiful energy available to make things like . like steel. >> so what's the difference between steel that we've created within this electric furnace or whatever it is, and steel that we need normally make with coking coal , as you said? what coking coal, as you said? what what's the difference ? it's uh. what's the difference? it's uh. >> are you asking me? >> are you asking me? >> asking? >> asking? >> brian? brian? >> brian? brian? >> yeah . the short answer to >> yeah. the short answer to thatis >> yeah. the short answer to that is i don't have enough details to answer your question properly. what i do know is the only way you make the high carbon steel that i'm aware of is that you make it using coal and the actual coking coal is part of the chemical reaction. the carbon from the coking coal goes into the steel. and it's quite a craft process as far. i

mean, obviously there's they do measurements, but basically it's taken a long time to figure out how to make high carbon steel. and that's way do i and that's the way you do it i don't and that's the way you do it i dor okay and that's the way you do it i dorokay , okay. i've not heard of >> okay, okay. i've not heard of an electrically .uk mccarthy. is this a good idea ? what's this a good idea? what's happening? yeah, it's a good idea. >> um, thomas is correct. >> um, thomas is correct. >> the reason why the plant has closed has come to the end of its economic life. it's losing £1 million a day. that's 360 million a year. and that's why it's closing. the actual fact that we're investing in an electric arc plant there means that it's the green steel. but actually will save those jobs. those jobs will go completely. if we didn't invest in this green steel of the government's investing in which, you know, i'm a critic of the government, often, but will them often, but i will praise them for however and for doing this. however and i what you're right is the other type steel that's made from type of steel that's made from scrap . scrap. >> sorry, from from scratch. >> sorry, from from scratch. >> we will be making that. >> we will not be making that. and we what we should doing and we what we should be doing is the swedes doing is that the swedes started doing this in 2021, making it using

green hydrogen is what you use. making steel from scratch. >> and what we're doing in the united kingdom, we're wasting £1 billion of electricity every yean billion of electricity every year, dumping the excess wind energy, which should be going to making green hydrogen to form our steel. >> and that's what we now need to do going forward. but the other point that's interesting to this plant in wales to me about this plant in wales is that currently nana, we export nearly all of our scrap steel . we export it to, to the steel. we export it to, to the european union. they melted it, they refine it, and we re—import it back here. and that will stop . we will stop exporting our scrap steel and we will melt it in in wales, creating those green jobs i see. >> so that's a positive. >> so that's a positive. >> so that's the positive. >> so that's the positive. >> but then why is there such a hoo ha about this? is it that people don't understand that or why is there such a energy against this? people are furious about about this. has anyone got any reason why? >> is the reason why? well .uk is right in an important point

here that steel you make from the furnace that's proposed to be, uh, developed there is not the primary steel that you need for doing all the big structural things. >> the shipbuilding , all the. >> the shipbuilding, all the. yeah, big things . but what yeah, big things. but what nonaka's also saying is quite important, which i think i think we weren't being told the correct before . you can you can correct before. you can you can make that kind of steel without using coking coal to do it. make that kind of steel without using coking coal to do it . you using coking coal to do it. you make it by using hydrogen in order to create the reduction of the iron ore to steel . that's the iron ore to steel. that's you use hydrogen instead. now we currently are throw away about half £1 billion worth a year of electricity from the north sea, because we haven't built the links to get it to the south. but you could use that electricity to electrolyse water, make hydrogen and make the steel. now you can't do it overnight . so you're not going overnight. so you're not going to do tomorrow. but what to do that tomorrow. but what you're in you're really missing out in here government a here is a government which has a strategy about how to make sure we're not producing steel

we're not only producing steel for purposes , but also for our own purposes, but also steel that will be available and be sellable into, uh, growth markets in the future . markets in the future. >> mhm. but, but as you said about the infrastructure, if they're going to do that and make the tough steel that we need and hydrogen, you've need and using hydrogen, you've just said that there's no infrastructure really to do that just said that there's no infall. ructure really to do that just said that there's no infall. brian. really to do that just said that there's no infall. brian. cat lly to do that just said that there's no infall. brian. cat well do that just said that there's no infall. brian. cat well justthat just said that there's no infall. brian. cat well just i'm at all. brian. cat well just i'm very interested to know chemically how you're going to in one second. he's laughing . in one second. he's laughing. why are you laughing, tom? that's what i've taken from what you am wrong? you said. am i wrong? have i misinterpreted it? >> i said, right, i said sorry, i was saying i was very clear. >> we don't have the grid infrastructure to move the electricity from the, uh, offshore to shore. that's just because we've got a bad industrial policy and what you do. >> so i'm right, we don't have the infrastructure. i'm right. then. so what i we don't we don't. >> what about the electricity ? >> what about the electricity? >> what about the electricity? >> well, it's only that. >> well, it's only that. >> sorry. no no, what i was explaining to you was we have plenty of electricity that we're

not using, that we could be using to make hydrogen . using to make hydrogen. actually, uh, in england, if england and wales in the south, if you like, if we invest in that infrastructure. and with that infrastructure. and with that hydrogen , we can reduce that hydrogen, we can reduce iron ore, which is iron oxide , iron ore, which is iron oxide, by taking the oxygen off, using hydrogen instead of carbon . hydrogen instead of carbon. >> and we have and my point was that you were saying that we don't have the facility to do that. right now. is that what you saying ? you were saying? >> that's exactly right. >> that's exactly right. >> because we don't. you're laughing. brian. final word to you. to you. 30s you. 30s brian, to you. 30s >> thank you. one. i'd like >> thank you. one. um, i'd like to how hydrogen to know how hydrogen molecules replace carbon molecules in the high steel, because it high carbon steel, because it just doesn't make any sense at all. and second village, you do the research , let it finish. the research, let it finish. >> let him finish . sorry. carry >> let him finish. sorry. carry on. brian, i'm not. >> i let them talk for long enough. >> the other point is, if you want to get plentiful energy available on demand, the only reason it's wasted is because it's developed. it's generated when wanted it when it's not wanted and it isn't generated is . what

isn't generated when it is. what you to put more you need to do is to put more nuclear power on core grid, nuclear power on the core grid, not connect cables all over the environment . environment. >> well, this is a lot of people. listening may not be worth all sounds great, but worth this all sounds great, but a people understand worth this all sounds great, but a word people understand worth this all sounds great, but a word youyple understand worth this all sounds great, but a word youyple are understand worth this all sounds great, but a word youyple are saying.;tand worth this all sounds great, but a wit's youyple are saying.;tand worth this all sounds great, but a wit's veryple are saying.;tand worth this all sounds great, but a wit's very technical. aying.;tand >> it's very technical. so that's why i was trying to decipher make that decipher it, to make sure that people i was people understood what i was saying. listen , i've saying. okay, so listen, i've got to to the news. i talk to got to go to the news. i talk to you you've you guys for ages, okay? you've got they're going got 10s go because they're going to trouble quickly . to get me in trouble quickly. >> jobs. there are 43,000 >> 3000 jobs. there are 43,000 jobs in the renewable energy industry. big win for industry. it's a big win for british jobs. yeah, but they're not. >> those jobs aren't available now. that to the now. so you tell that to the 2800 people who've lost their jobs. . jobs. now that. >> you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> listen, thank you so much to bnan >> listen, thank you so much to brian uh donald mccarthy. brian cat. uh donald mccarthy. and also tom burke. interesting, interesting , very technical. but interesting, very technical. but to me, all it sounds like is that you can't make strong that you can't make the strong kind need. and kind of steel that we need. and they're closing down the plant. that much me, that is pretty much that to me, that message there. that is the basic message there. you're . i'm nana akua. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital coming up, and on digital radio coming up, it's the great british it's time for the great british debate asking, is debate this hour i'm asking, is the false

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drop in the ocean of the costs. the public paying the public are paying for, deller unless china, deller says nana. unless china, india others reduce their india and others reduce their emissions time as emissions at the same time as britain, punishing britain, then we are punishing ourselves vain . and i'll just ourselves in vain. and i'll just read more jackie, read one more from jackie, she said. is imperative that we said. it is imperative that we keep quality keep and create our quality steel here in the uk. steel production here in the uk. we cannot importing it from we cannot be importing it from china. in power are china. the lot in power are insane. labour and god forbid the lib dems greens will see the lib dems or greens will see us off all this in coming up with the chancellor, jeremy hunt set a package set to release a package of pre—election cuts, i'm pre—election tax cuts, i'm asking should the conservatives cut inheritance tax income cut inheritance tax or income tax? plus my great british debate this hour i'm asking, is the move to net zero a false economy? get in touch gb views gb news. com

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hour. and i'm asking you basically, what are you think is the move to net zero a false economy ? because in the heart of economy? because in the heart of port talbot this is the steelworks. there is an industry, a steel industry. and this just industry, this isn't just some industry, it's the pulse of the it's actually the pulse of the town. provides the town. it provides the livelihoods for a significant portion of the community and we've recently had the announcement that 2500 could lose their jobs because tata steel , they're the guys who make steel, they're the guys who make that steel, have set a devastating blow to the town, and that they will be closing or changing the way make the changing the way they make the steel, which the steel, which means the repercussions beyond just repercussions extend beyond just job losses. they affect the entire local ecosystem from cafes , shops and everything else cafes, shops and everything else that's sort of woven into the fabnc that's sort of woven into the fabric the community. so it's fabric of the community. so it's time now the great british time now for the great british debate out, and i'm asking, time now for the great british dethea out, and i'm asking, time now for the great british dethe move out, and i'm asking, time now for the great british dethe move tot, and i'm asking, time now for the great british dethe move to net1d i'm asking, time now for the great british dethe move to net zeron asking, time now for the great british dethe move to net zeron false}, is the move to net zero a false economy? joining now , my economy? joining me now, my panel economy? joining me now, my panel, columnist panel, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy, also former labour adviser lizzie adviser matthew laza lizzie cundy. >> what do you think the mystery of net zero is now impossible to ignore? when we've seen what's happened to talbot . i mean, happened to port talbot. i mean, we were one of the pioneers of

making steel . now we've got to making steel. now we've got to rely on on, on other produce and quite rightly, what you said. how is this going to help net zero. well, transport, steel and everything else . and when will everything else. and when will we learn that net zero is doing nothing but hurting our own economy? we are 1.1% in carbon emissions . why aren't we putting emissions. why aren't we putting all our energy into convincing countries like china who are in the 30s? america that is 24, india, that is 12. why aren't we doing that? and all it is doing is hurting us, and especially the most vulnerable and poorest. i mean, take for example, i was in wimbledon last week. the bus explodes with the electric bus. i couldn't believe it. and it's happening with cars. they're having to rebuild car parks because cars are too heavy because the cars are too heavy electric cars to hold them . electric cars to hold them. we're having to redo our bridges . this is honestly i'm sorry. we've got to look . at what this we've got to look. at what this really is about. and we're only

hurting ourselves. >> but i will say this because when you talk, you offer a china and that. and india and people like that. the doing the problem is all we're doing is offsetting carbon. is we're offsetting our carbon. so we saying, so the reason why are we saying, oh, is because oh, we're only 1% is because it's recorded this it's1%that's recorded in this country. honest, country. but let's be honest, the in the room that the elephant in the room is that we are more than that, but we are using more than that, but we are using more than that, but we elsewhere. we are offsetting it elsewhere. they're doing they're producing, they're doing all the manufacturing. well, i think problem. think that's the key problem. >> mean, absolutely. >> i mean, yeah, absolutely. you're make you're just if you don't make anything, you don't you anything, you don't make you don't but don't use that much carbon. but if somebody else if you buy things, somebody else is carbon to make it. if you buy things, somebody else ishalf carbon to make it. if you buy things, somebody else ishalf agree carbon to make it. if you buy things, somebody else ishalf agree withon to make it. if you buy things, somebody else ishalf agree with lizzie.nake it. i half agree with lizzie. i mean, an absolute mean, this is an absolute tragedy talbot. one of tragedy for port talbot. one of my friends is from my very best friends is from just valley a small just up the valley in a small village. heart just up the valley in a small vill.ofe. heart just up the valley in a small vill.of that heart just up the valley in a small vill.of that community, ieart just up the valley in a small vill.of that community, but also out of that community, but also it will rip the heart of it will rip the heart out of our country's things country's capacity to do things that we need to do. because this , were the only major economy , we were the only major economy in world, you know. so no, in the world, you know. so no, in the world, you know. so no, in germany, france, um, you know, spain, the us will all be able to make virgin steel. we won't be able to do it. and this is stuff that you need to do is the stuff that you need to do to battleships, make to make battleships, to make cars. we're still and we're cars. and we're still and we're still, know, we're, you still, you know, and we're, you know when had know what, a week when we've had earlier the we've had earlier in the week, we've had

we're told that going to we're told that we're going to be at war with russia within 20 years that years by nato, predicting that we instability with we know the instability with china and yet we're that china and yet we're saying that we're rely on others in we're going to rely on others in an unstable world. we're going to rely on others in adon't unstable world. we're going to rely on others in adon't think unstable world. we're going to rely on others in adon't think that1stable world. we're going to rely on others in adon't think that means world. we're going to rely on others in adon't think that means we 'ld. i don't think that means we shouldn't but shouldn't go to net zero, but we need sensibly . need to do it sensibly. >> is these three who >> this is what these three who i i just i don't i had on there, ijust i don't know, i just thought very rude. >> laughing. >> laughing. >> well they were well they thought they thought it was funny but they seem because seem to think it's funny because they couldn't get why someone like is simply asking them a like me is simply asking them a very straightforward question. they with all very straightforward question. thejwhatever, with all very straightforward question. thejwhatever, the with all very straightforward question. thejwhatever, the bottoml this whatever, but the bottom line is we need, as line is that we need, as you said, steel, the word said, and the steel, the word i was is was probably looking for is virgin but that is virgin steel. yes, but that is the neither of them the point. and neither of them mentioned richard mentioned it. not richard branson steel, but the steel first . first made. >> first made. >> steel first made. >> steel first made. >> proper steel . we need >> we need proper steel. we need to to make that we to be able to make so that we can make ships and aircraft and all and if we all the other stuff. and if we don't then in don't have that, then we're in trouble. own trouble. we need to have our own quality and quality virgin steel, and now we're relying countries we're relying on other countries and with and look what's happening with the were told be >> we were told to be self—sufficient , but we're not self—sufficient, but we're not listening. can you imagine in world have been world war ii, we would have been gone week ? how would gone within a week? how would you it? so they new spitfires? >> shapps . >> no, shapps. >> no, shapps. >> but nana, we've got, you

know, we've had cod, we've know, we've had the cod, we've had all these summits, cops had all these summits, the cops 28, the davos i mean, they're all flying in in their private jets. hypocritical . and jets. it's so hypocritical. and all this is, is like you all this is, is, is like you know i know keir starmer your man loves it. he loves davos. and well the unis have got to westminster. unions got westminster. the unions have got to westminster and let to speak to westminster and let me tell they all fly in. me tell you they all fly in. they're this is all about, they're all this is all about, you know, swigging and you know, swigging champagne and having holibobs and, and having a food holibobs and, and actually making money out of this. they're making this. no, but they're making money because they're all they're yeah with they're lobbying. yeah with their i think it's their politicians. i think it's really, really important on net zero. >> i think clearly we are decarbonising the economy . but decarbonising the economy. but if we're just doing it as a tick box exercise, tick box exercise, it doesn't work . if so, if we do it doesn't work. if so, if we do it doesn't work. if so, if we do it genuinely, obviously we're it as genuinely, obviously we're going using lot going to start using a lot less fossil as goes on, fossil fuels. as time goes on, as we to using fewer of as we move to using fewer of them, got do in them, we've got to do it in a way that isn't just tick. we'll close. factory way that isn't just tick. we'll cl( port factory way that isn't just tick. we'll cl( port talbot factory way that isn't just tick. we'll cl( port talbot and factory way that isn't just tick. we'll cl(port talbot and import ory way that isn't just tick. we'll cl(port talbot and import ity in port talbot and import it from china. in port talbot and import it frori'mlina. i'm buying >> i'm afraid i'm not buying into at i'm just into any of it at all. i'm just simply think simply not buying it. i think it's rubbish. i think it's absolute rubbish. i think it's absolute rubbish. i think it's ridiculous it's it's ridiculous and it's very foolhardy , especially. you foolhardy, especially. do you

remember foolhardy, especially. do you rememlway doing it is. >> the way they're doing it is. >> the way they're doing it is. >> covid >> do you remember the covid vaccine other vaccine when suddenly other countries started to take the vaccines bought from vaccines that we had bought from another country saying, no, we're for we're going to keep them for ourselves? very, very ourselves? this is a very, very it's a very day for this it's a very bad day for this country because imagine country because you imagine if we down the barrel we are looking down the barrel of potential world wars and we're saying, oh, we're not going to be making our own steel because the net zero. net zero. forget zero. the stuff forget net zero. the stuff that's that's hundreds and that's still that's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years away. 20 away. we're talking about 20 years long mass. >> looking at short f looking at short . mass. >> looking at short . what >> we're looking at short. what are doing? it is so are they doing? it is so disgusting. and i feel really sorry. >> and actually, of course, one of the things you need steel for is of energy the is some of the energy of the future. because to build things like wind turbines, you need steel. like wind turbines, you need ste< exactly. like wind turbines, you need ste> i've gotta go. i've got to get great british voices on get the great british voices on the nothing without them. the glass. nothing without them. so great british so let's get our great british voices to voices on their opportunity to be on the show and tell me what they the topics be on the show and tell me what they discussing. the topics be on the show and tell me what they discussing. full:opics be on the show and tell me what they discussing. full review. we're discussing. full review. miranda richardson not the miranda richardson not the miranda miranda miranda richardson, but miranda richardson she's our

northamptonshire. she's our miranda richardson mirror. northamptonshire. she's our miranda richardson mirror . what miranda richardson mirror. what do you think ? do you think? >> nana? how are you ? >> nana? how are you? >> nana? how are you? >> good. >> good. >> i'm with you . >> i'm with you. >> i'm with you. >> net zero. what an absolute load of old. i'm so sorry. it's just money for old rope. >> now, people are making money out of net zero and i just pushing us back. pushing us back ? quite right. >> we need wind turbines. >> we need wind turbines. >> we need solar systems. we can't make any of that ourselves. now it's import, import, import. >> but don't worry because we'll be at. net zero. except we won't actually achieve net zero because we're all forgetting about the 9 million cattle we have country , that the have in this country, that the produce which funnily produce methane, which funnily enough, they want methane blockers for. >> so let's go to the pharmaceutical companies now. >> pharmaceutical companies who get what are going to make money. >> it's just an absolute crock. we need to stop. >> they want us to be vegan. what we produce, they want us vegan. what we produce, they want us vegan . they want us to be vegan. they want us to be vegans. that will solve. >> yeah, yeah, but even that

costs an awful lot more money to make . make. >> and think of the methane. think methane a think of the methane from a vegan even worse. vegan diet. that's even worse. let's jonathan jones in let's go to jonathan jones in cornwall. jonathan >> thanks nana. >> thanks nana. >> i agree with you. 100. >> i agree with you. 100. >> i agree with you. 100. >> i think the whole thing is in danger of turning into a giant hoax and you know what? >> there's lots of things we can do. i'm an environmentalist, as you know. grow the first tea you know. we grow the first tea in doing local in england that's doing local things cutting carbon in a things and cutting carbon in a sensible of things. sensible way. loads of things. people can do. but, you know, closing steel losing out to closing steel and losing out to competitive other countries and, you know, putting ourselves at risk. madness, madness . risk. madness, madness. >> right. let's go to alan cook in london. alan, you've got about 30s . about 30s. >> oh hi there. nana. well i think it's pure lunacy. it's a complete act of, uh , economic complete act of, uh, economic suicide and self—harm . suicide and self—harm. >> um, it's true. >> it is . >> it is. >> it is. >> i'll give you a quick analogy. imagine if putin suddenly said, let's disarm . um, suddenly said, let's disarm. um, let's, you know, weaponize the planet. but he says, you do it

first. you get rid of your weapons and stop building them. but we'll keep building them for 20 years and keep all of ours. you wouldn't do that insane . you wouldn't do that insane. that's what we're doing. china in india, building hundreds and hundreds of coal powered power stations. >> let's go to brian dugan . >> let's go to brian dugan. yeah. you honest ? yeah. brian yeah. you honest? yeah. brian dugan, what do you think? are you gonna say something different? hi, nana. hi, nana. >> worry about who >> i wouldn't worry about who was was laughing you was who was laughing at you earlier because the scientists didn't. seem able didn't. didn't seem to be able to on science. in any to agree on the science. in any case, uh, where have you heard that one before? uh but, look, um, i think it was theresa may who actually put into law that by 2050, we were heading towards net zero. but as you quite rightly pointed out, where is the infrastructure being built around that will be realised. and so nothing seems to be augned and so nothing seems to be aligned on this. and we need to get it aligned very, very quickly . quickly. >> if 2050 remains a realistic target for net zero. >> yeah. well listen thank you so much. brilliant voices as

usual jonathan jones. uh, brian dugan, alan mcneely . alan wasn't dugan, alan mcneely. alan wasn't there. what i'm saying is, alan cook and also miranda richardson. thank you very much. this great british voices. this is a great british voices. what do you think? right. well i could move to a story that could move on to a story that caught but i'm actually caught my eye, but i'm actually going move to quiz going to move on to the quiz now. so time for the now. so it's time now for the quick quiz. the part of the quick fire quiz. the part of the show where i test panel with show where i test my panel with some news stories that show where i test my panel with son hitting news stories that show where i test my panel with son hitting the zws stories that show where i test my panel with sonhitting the headlines that show where i test my panel with son hitting the headlines right are hitting the headlines right now. is broadcast now. uh, joining me is broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy. your . and your buzzer, please. and also labour laza . labour advisor matthew laza. your fabulous and please your buzzer. fabulous and please play your buzzer. fabulous and please play along at home. question one what is the name of the storm thatis what is the name of the storm that is forecast to hit the uk ? that is forecast to hit the uk? is it a ilah. is it b iona or is it c isa oh are you. >> it was me. you competition. >> it was me. you competition. >> you did it i finished talking lizzie cundy lizzie cundy c it's c what do you think it is? c asia c is it c asia? the answer is c asia . you got to wait till is c asia. you got to wait till i finish. okay i did lizzie cundy. i finish. okay i did lizzie cundy . yes. the met office

cundy. yes. the met office issued the amber warnings for wind and north northern and western england , wales, northern western england, wales, northern ireland parts scotland ireland and parts of scotland from to question from sunday to monday. question two. closest answer wins the team in the french league travelled over 8000 miles to lose their cup tie . but what was lose their cup tie. but what was the score ? lizzie cundy four the score? lizzie cundy four nil, four nil, 1212 nil, 12 nil. uh connor ansell . winds. the uh connor ansell. winds. the answer is 12 nil. question. right why did you get the question? martinique football team lost 12 nil to lille in the french cup . wow. question three french cup. wow. question three true or false ? dog owners in true or false? dog owners in italy are required to provide a sample of their dna or their pet's dna in an attempt to address the issue of dog waste. lizzie cundy, true or false? false the answer is it's true . false the answer is it's true. no, it's actually true. yes, the government of bolzano city in italy is setting up a database for almost 40 000 dogs in the area. it's two one so far. all right. question four. prince

harry has dropped his libel case against the daily mail. but how much might the legal fees amount to. is it a. i haven't finished he started so i'll finish a 750 kb7 55 or c745 matthew laza a 752. all this is the decider at home. it is £750,000. question on five which t brand is the latest victim of shrinkflation? is it a pg tips b tetley or c yorkshire tea? lizzie . cundy, c yorkshire tea? lizzie. cundy, c yorkshire tea? lizzie. cundy, c yorkshire a pg tips, pg tips yes answer is pg tips i want uh, even though you both pressed it ahead. >> well done. >> well done. >> you got the answer right i did have i love yorkshire tea and i did thought they looked rather small. >> um, probably it's pg. >> um, probably it's pg. >> well, listen, the scores on the doors three to matthew laza is the winner. >> you hope you >> i hope you hope you do. everyone's well today's >> i hope you hope you do. everycl've. well today's >> i hope you hope you do. everycl've been well today's >> i hope you hope you do. everycl've been asking today's >> i hope you hope you do. everycl've been asking shoulday's show, i've been asking should asylum allowed to asylum seekers be allowed to work? well, let's see, according to our twitter poll, 39.8% of you say yes, 60.2% of you say

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