to pass their rwanda efforts to pass their rwanda bill. more rowdy than a donald trump election rally. more angry than a gary lineker tweet. we're here to bring you an hour of mayhem . as usual, i'm joined by mayhem. as usual, i'm joined by agents of chaos albie amankona benjamin butterworth and queen gammon berlin de deluise, and to spice the party even further, we're joined by special guest alex armstrong . now, folks, you alex armstrong. now, folks, you all know the drill . we each get all know the drill. we each get all know the drill. we each get a minute to outline our case. then the topic is thrown open to the group, and it's fair to say that we don't agree to disagree. and of course, we want to know your views as well. much more important than ours. get in touch by emailing gbviews@gbnews.uk . com but gbviews@gbnews.uk. com but before we start tearing each other apart, it's time for your saturday night news with . saturday night news with. aaron >> very good evening to you. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. norfolk police has referred itself to the independent in relation

independent watchdog in relation to deaths of four members of to the deaths of four members of the on friday. the to the deaths of four members of the says on friday. the to the deaths of four members of the says it on friday. the to the deaths of four members of the says it didn'tl friday. the to the deaths of four members of the says it didn't respond the to the deaths of four members of the says it didn't respond toe force says it didn't respond to an emergency call made about an emergency 999 call made about an emergency 999 call made about an hour before the bodies of a 45 year old man, a 36 year old woman and two girls were discovered at a house in kc, near norwich . all four were near norwich. all four were found with injuries as a speech by the shadow foreign secretary calling for a ceasefire in gaza has been interrupted by pro—palestinian protesters . pro—palestinian protesters. david lammy had to make a quick exit when a free palestine coalition activist jumped onto the stage and called for him to condemn what she called genocide in gaza . once david lammy in gaza. once david lammy returned , more people in the returned, more people in the audience stood up to launch verbal attacks on labour's stance on the middle east conflict. mr lammy says he wants to see a sustainable ceasefire situation in gaza is intolerable and unbear able. >> too many children , women, old >> too many children, women, old people have lost their lives. we need a truth now so that humanitarian aid can get in. we

need a sustainable ceasefire . need a sustainable ceasefire. i'm hugely worried about what i'm hugely worried about what i'm hearing from uk aid agencies and from the united nations and the medical attention that over 60,000 people who are now wounded or maimed need . we must wounded or maimed need. we must get urgent aid in mail deliveries on saturdays. >> could become a thing of the past, as ofcom looks at ways to reform the postal service . a reform the postal service. a spokesperson for the regulator told gb news they'll publish a document next week on how royal mail can evolve to meet changing consumer needs. ofcom says it's ultimately up to the government, though, to decide if any changes to the service will be implemented . tata steel's pledge implemented. tata steel's pledge to £130 million support package to £130 million support package to help workers retrain or find new jobs, as it plans to close furnaces at its port talbot site . up to 2800 jobs will be affected over the next 18 months as the company transitions to what they say is a greener way of working, unions warn the move

will be devastating for the economy and the steel industry . economy and the steel industry. nicola sturgeon claims the covid inquiry does have messages she sent and received during the pandemic. on friday, the inquiry heard all of mr sturgeon's communication on whatsapp at the time had been erased. however, scotland's former first minister has posted that the inquiry does have messages between her and those she communicates with through informal means during the pandemic. she through informal means during the pandemic . she previously the pandemic. she previously said she never used informal messages to make decisions . ms messages to make decisions. ms sturgeon says she'll answer questions directly and openly when she gives evidence at the end of the month . this is gb end of the month. this is gb news. we're live on tv, on digital . news. we're live on tv, on digital. radio and on your smart. speaker. two now it's back to the saturday five. >> it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes and we're about to put the world to rights in just under an hour.

>> so now then, darren, what have you got for us today? well i'm going to kick us off with british steel and net zero. >> belinda, because you look at that port talbot skyline once the fiery heart of industry. now shivering under the icy gaze of net zero. look at that view . net zero. look at that view. this steel giant wants the pride of britain. now feels the cold slap of what i call folk's betrayal . all the labour party betrayal. all the labour party who should be fighting for the grafters are instead choking industry with their green noose. it's no longer about the welsh dragon. it's about currying favour with eco elites and the davos crowd , a dizzy and flip davos crowd, a dizzy and flip flop that even houdini wouldn't be able to attempt and as for the tories, well, don't get us started on the labour in sheep's clothing . they've turned this clothing. they've turned this net zero folly into law , net zero folly into law, ignonng net zero folly into law, ignoring the devastation that it wreaks on places like port talbot. they parade their climate agenda like it's some noble crusade , but in reality

noble crusade, but in reality it's a slow motion disaster. with port talbot the unwilling martyr. but here's the stinger, right as global tensions simmer from ukraine's fields to south china sea, brittle iron is now dismantling its own defences. key strategic industries such as meat and steel, were practically gift wrapping. those in industries and sending them to off coal guzzling giants like china and india , the tories and china and india, the tories and the labour party . they're the labour party. they're intoxicated with these green fantasies, if you ask me . fantasies, if you ask me. they've totally lost sight of a stark reality. it must be the fumes from these new vegan foods that they're trying or . that they're trying or. something to that effect. fairy tales of wind and the sun, right? you won't power a modern nafion right? you won't power a modern nation with those. you could cover wheels in windmills and solar then , you solar panels, but even then, you wouldn't able to produce a wouldn't be able to produce a single steel beam. as we hurtle towards this 2050 target, the

picture couldn't be clearer. in my view, britain is now sprinting towards a colder, poorer future . an outright poorer future. an outright industrial surrender. it's not just our lights at risk of going out, but the extinguished spirit of the british working man . and of the british working man. and for what? a nod from the green vested interests . it's utter vested interests. it's utter madness . vested interests. it's utter madness. dressed up as policy , madness. dressed up as policy, we now benjamin butterworth , the we now benjamin butterworth, the labour party, your lot . they labour party, your lot. they want to do all of this faster and harder. they would love it if we closed more of these energy intensive industries. >> i mean, as lovely as it was to hear your sort of low rent jokes about vegans, it really was not related to the fact of the which is that the the matter, which is that the tata steel plant is not making a profit. it's making quite a serious loss and has done for some years now. you as a supposed flagbearer for the free market, can hardly claim that the government should be giving more money to business that loses money. so what they're

doing? i've not finished what they're doing is going from a coal fuelled furnace to an electric fuelled furnace, which, yes, better for the yes, is much better for the environment and needs fewer workers, more likely to workers, but also more likely to be a sustainable business. yes, i think the only reason you're opposing is because you're opposing it is because you're just obsessed with dismissing anything it's you anything green. no, it's the you can only do the second part of creating can only do the second part of cre'you| can only do the second part of cre'you can't do the first part, >> you can't do the first part, which actually using the iron which is actually using the iron ore coal to create the steel ore and coal to create the steel beams. you cannot actually create steel feel through the electric. >> so to clarify why you think a business that is losing a considerable amount of money and shows no signs of that changing should be propped up by the taxpayer for the sake of it? >> i think that we should yes >> i think that we should a yes or no do. we should have or no will do. we should have cheap and plentiful energy in britain. we currently see britain. we are currently see france and germany. >> a yes or no? >> is that a yes or a no? >> far less for energy. that's the reason why it's not competitive and not actually able make profit because of competitive and not actually abl

the climate change act back in 2008. so it started from there. darren, darren, darren, this is really nothing to do with with net zero. >> and i actually think it's really despicable. >> hold on, i think i think it is. tell our viewers at home i think look them despicable . this think look them despicable. this is nothing to do. >> this is nothing to do that there is net zero actually it is despicable that businesses are using the green agenda to essentially cut jobs and make more efficient business decisions. this actually , decisions. this actually, darren, is about capitalism , darren, is about capitalism, which is what benjamin butterworth was trying to say. you didn't answer the question . you didn't answer the question. the only way that this steel plant could be profitable or in business is if the government subsidises it with subsidies. is that what you think should happen? >> it is doing, but should it continue to do that, subsidising it by giving, should it continue to such cassidy's it should to have such cassidy's it should continue to subsidies. continue to have subsidies. industries right. continue to have subsidies. ind allies right. continue to have subsidies. ind all right. right. continue to have subsidies. ind all right. so right. continue to have subsidies. ind all right. so that'sit. continue to have subsidies. ind all right. so that's fine. >> all right. so that's fine. but the point is this is not a profitable business. so the only way british steel way european and british steel can profitable at your party. can be profitable at your party. no no, it's not because of

no no no no, it's not because of energy bills. yes it is. it is because it's because the cost of goodsin because it's because the cost of goods in the uk is higher than in other parts of the world. >> yeah, other parts of the world fact that world because of the fact that we going hell for leather we are going hell for leather with this green. yeah. >> sorry, this is net zero. nutters are a sandwich of nutters are a sandwich short of a this is this a picnic. this is this is beyond, lunacy . see the beyond, uh, lunacy. see the reason it's so expensive ? the reason it's so expensive? the reason it's so expensive? the reason why they're losing money is they jump. have to is because they jump. have to jump is because they jump. have to jump through forever expanding hurdles meet the green hurdles to meet the green zealotry . list of things you zealotry. list of things you have to do to be green. that's why they're going over to india. to with green. the green to do with green. the green agenda do green. you cannot agenda do with green. you cannot say blanche. got say carte blanche. it's got nothing with fact it's nothing to do with the fact it's more to produce more expensive to produce anything this country. now, anything in this country. now, a much cheaper produce in india much cheaper to produce in india . has been for a long . but it has been for a long time. doesn't make it time. belinda doesn't make it right . i'm time. belinda doesn't make it right. i'm not saying it is literally breaking the backs of the working class in this the working class people in this country a vanity project country to fund a vanity project and for middle class and hobby for the middle class people in ivory tower. i couldn't agree more. >> well, said belinda, alex, >> well, said belinda, but alex, i if we look at the i wonder then, if we look at the

actual overall co2 emissions of britain ? apparently, andrew neil britain? apparently, andrew neil wrote in a column this morning that 1.5% of our overall co2 emissions would be cut by the closure of this plant 1.5. meanwhile in 2023, china had its biggest coal output that it's ever seen. so what the hell are we seeing? a working class people in wales? you're going to lose your job. sod off. i don't lose yourjob. sod off. i don't care about you, but china is hunky dory. happy days. care about you, but china is hunky dory. happy days . we'll hunky dory. happy days. we'll get our steel from over there at vast cost. as far as co2 emissions you've just nailed, you've just nailed it, darren, because it is a vast cost not only to the environment, which is what everyone's banging on about this net zero about with this net zero nonsense, but it's a vast cost to british workers what to british workers who what party standing up and party is, is standing up and saying, we need to protect british industry. >> you know, at same time >> you know, at the same time with war in the red sea. with the war in the red sea. hang we've got we've hang on, alby, we've got we've got tax on shipping through got a tax on shipping through the sea at the moment, which the red sea at the moment, which is lane. so we is our main shipping lane. so we can't guarantee that we'll

can't even guarantee that we'll be these resources be able to get these resources into britain. not only that, we're talking up a war at the moment the world. this is moment around the world. this is an absolute and where is an absolute crisis. and where is rishi where keir rishi sunak? where is keir starmer? the men starmer? where are the two men who to lead our who head to head to lead our country? they're nowhere to be seen. the tories are utterly betrayed. working class betrayed. the working class people, would people, they promised they would protect working class protect and the working class people country people in this country in the red walls, gave their votes to the tories because they believed under boris it would given it. >> it's like sitting next to arthur scargill. i mean, honestly, would sat honestly, you would have sat here the 1980s, be turning in here in the 1980s, be turning in here in the 1980s, be turning in her exactly. saying that her grave. exactly. saying that thatcher saying thatcher shouldn't having saying that have that thatcher shouldn't have closed is no closed the mines. the fact is no i'm speaking alex, you've had your moment. you've had your moment. time, isn't it? we >> point in time, isn't it? we can't the 1980s can't just say that the 1980s are same as they today. are the same as they are today. we are security. head into the third i let's third world war. i mean, let's wake up. >> world moves on. this is >> the world moves on. this is an inefficient business and the way guarantee of those way to guarantee some of those jobs staying is to move with the times, make cleaner, make it times, make it cleaner, make it more and actually, more sustainable. and actually, when government paying when the government is paying hundreds millions in

hundreds of millions in perpetuity to keep this business going, have money going, then you don't have money for or for health care. for houses or for health care. that needs to be helped by the government. >> okay, don't get these arguments. they're so they're so you think the you think you think that the taxpayer for taxpayer should pay for a failing business? >> safe and wise for >> think it's safe and wise for the uk to be the only country in the uk to be the only country in the 620 the uk to be the only country in the g20 who cannot , who won't be the g20 who cannot, who won't be able to produce steel from scratch in terms of future conflict, in terms of being a self—sufficient nation, do you think it's wise to only focus on economics of today and not think forward to the future, that maybe we need to be self—sufficient in? flaw in your argument is that clearly we're not from tata in not buying steel from tata in wales it's too expensive wales because it's too expensive . we're already getting it too expensive already getting expensive, we're already getting it rest . we're already it from the rest. we're already getting it from the rest of the world. whether world. the question is whether you out of taxpayers you pay it out of taxpayers pockets for a failing business. and call me a and i'm sorry, call me a thatcherite, belinda, but i think that's a bad idea. all right. okay, okay, okay. >> but i'll tell you, folks, i think this is only the beginning, but we shall up beginning, but we shall see. up next, albee

next, though, it's albee. albee how are you going to beat that one? >> well i'm going to try my best. darren. look, on best. darren. look, earlier on this we saw the full extent this week we saw the full extent of the crimes committed by a group of people who we call the rolex who have stolen. rolex rippers who have stolen. now million of now almost £4 million worth of luxury the streets luxury watches from the streets of it's impossible of london. now it's impossible not to state the obvious when we look at these images of the perpetrators . most of them are perpetrators. most of them are young black men, and it brings me absolutely pleasure all me absolutely no pleasure at all to state that fact. we've got to ask the question, why does it appear that so many young black brits are drawn to lives of crime? i am sick and tired of seeing images strewn across the press of young black men who are either victims of awful knife crimes. perhaps they've been murdered, or they've committed crimes themselves. i think it's absolutely awful, and i want an end to it. i've been mugged several times in my life, each and every time i've been mugged, i've been mugged by fellow young black also spoken black men. i've also spoken to many people muggings many other people about muggings that experienced, and that they have experienced, and nine of ten, they have nine times out of ten, they have been young black men

been mugged by young black men too from statistics too. now we know from statistics that over 50% of gun crimes , that over 50% of gun crimes, robberies and other serious crimes have been accused against young black men. but we do also know that actually, when a lot of these cases go to court, more than double those cases brought against young black men are thrown out of court over young white men. so perhaps there is some injustice system. some injustice in the system. but got to ask the but we've got to ask the question, why is this happening so it because we're not so much? is it because we're not funding public services properly? is it because of poor housing? is because of the housing? is it because of the way young black men way that young black men interact institutions interact with institutions like education is it education and policing? or is it something is it because of something else? is it because of institutions , racism? left institutions, racism? the left might say, say, what else might say, i say, what else could it be? is there something more fundamental about the black british experience which leads to poor life outcomes? family structures, single parent background , inner city culture? background, inner city culture? we know that about 70% of criminals come from single parent backgrounds. i and from a single parent background, not

all young black men from single parent backgrounds are involved in crime or victims of crime, but too many are for my liking and we need to do something about it. if i can make a plea to the young black men of my generation, it would be to say, please let us not make the same mistakes that our fathers that too many our fathers have too many of our fathers have made not abandon your made do not abandon your children, this children, because i think this is key ending the is key to ending the overrepresent nation of young black in the criminal black men in the criminal justice system . now alex justice system. now alex armstrong , um, what do you justice system. now alex armstrong, um, what do you make of all of this? >> look, i totally applaud your statement, and i don't think there is enough young black voices or just black voices in general who are talking about this issue openly . we see a lot this issue openly. we see a lot of the institutional racism, the slavery card being played quite a lot as excuses. what do you mean, the slavery card, for example? someone will say that i can't get a leg up in life, so therefore i turn to crime because actually the world is institutionally racist, which goes slavery. we know institutionally racist, which goescard slavery. we know institutionally racist, which goescard has slavery. we know institutionally racist, which goescard has played we know institutionally racist, which

goescard has played quite now that card has played quite a lot, and frankly, i think there needs to be a deep introspection in the black community. and we see the uk. we see it see it here in the uk. we see it here america as well, where here in america as well, where i think the community to think the community needs to come together and start holding yourself i'm come together and start holding you saying i'm come together and start holding you saying that i'm come together and start holding you saying that justi'm come together and start holding you saying that just a n not saying that this is just a black issue it's not black issue because it's not actually lots of other, uh, actually it's lots of other, uh, lower ethnic minorities lower income ethnic minorities have problem too. but have this same problem too. but they really start at they have to really start at a community level if we're going to address so really to address them. so i really applaud for saying applaud you for, for saying that, know, first, it's that, you know, first, it's quite because, you know, quite brave because, you know, you're going get lot of you're going to get a lot of stick from other young black people disagree with you and people who disagree with you and may points that i may agree with the points that i raised earlier. from raised earlier. so look from a man who's from a single parent background a very, background as well. it's a very, very start to your life, very hard start to your life, but it's that's not how it has to be. and there are equal opportunities everyone in opportunities for everyone in this believe benjamin this country. i believe benjamin butterworth, david lammy got criticised something criticised for saying something very similar me, essentially criticised for saying something very si|that' me, essentially criticised for saying something very si|that fatherlessness ally saying that fatherlessness in the community is the black community is a contributing the high contributing factor to the high crime rates that see the crime rates that we see in the black community. crime rates that we see in the black (you nunity. crime rates that we see in the black (you think'. crime rates that we see in the black (you think that criticism >> do you think that criticism wasuh, i think that it's not >> uh, i think that it's not just it's not as simple as the

fact that they're raised in single parent households. i think lack of respect think it's the lack of respect that a culture where fathers think to run off, to think it's okay to run off, to leave responsibilities, leave their responsibilities, should that should it be a surprise that young black men take that as an acceptable way to behave ? not acceptable way to behave? not necessarily. fact necessarily. simply the fact that single parent that they're in a single parent household, but i think, first of all, don't think i've ever all, i don't think i've ever heard this country, know, heard in this country, you know, some black 19 year old that's gone to prison for something blaming slavery. i think that's a very american sort of argument. i say argument. but what i would say is that socioeconomics is that i think socioeconomics has lot to do with this as has a lot to do with this as well, because it is still a much higher proportion. also higher proportion. and it's also saying communities saying black communities are a very broad thing because they come of different come from lots of different parts but the parts of the world, but the black still has much black community still has much higher of poverty. higher rates of poverty. obviously related obviously that will be related to the single parent household. and a lot of those that and i think a lot of those that are life, lives of are falling into life, lives of crime they're not from crime are they're not from well—off or middle class black families. economics is families. the economics is a strong other strong correlation. the other thing unless thing i'd say quickly, unless you want come back, but 57% you want to come back, but 57% of caribbean families and of black caribbean families and 44% of black african families are headed single parent

households. >> and yet we see the crime statistics in those communities that we see. do you not think there's a pretty inexplicable link between those two? >> a strong correlation >> there's a strong correlation across races between poverty across all races between poverty and crime, and it and turning to crime, and it doesn't it. clearly doesn't justify it. but clearly it's one way to help. the final thing i was going to say is that i the police have i think the police have a responsibility on this to try and more inclusive of the and be more inclusive of the black community, you get black community, because you get these from the these people that from the outset, don't want anything to do police, don't help do with the police, don't help the about their work the police go about their work and journalist called david and a journalist called david wood, crime wood, who's the crime correspondent the times, a correspondent at the times, a former of mine, is former colleague of mine, he is a of our age, and he a black man of our age, and he wrote about how he had constantly and constantly been stopped and searched the age 16, searched since the age of 16, despite being from a very middle class family in saint albans, being an exemplary member of society and that had made him feel very fearful and uncomfortable about the police. but you have nothing to hide. >> i mean, if you're not carrying a knife, you shouldn't be a problem. i have actually been stopped and searched once at an airport. thank you very

much. an airport? yes, at an much. in an airport? yes, at an airport. we're all searching airports. before i got airports. no. before i got through benjamin? um, through the gates. benjamin? um, no. to make no. the point i'm trying to make is you can. you can blame is this. you can. you can blame the police, and you can say it's the police, and you can say it's the police's fault for doing their but theirjob. and actually. but often doing knife often they're not doing knife crime up they don't do crime go up when they don't do stop search. so let's be stop and search. so let's be honest it an issue honest that it is an issue relating to that. that community. the reality is, community. see, the reality is, is that there's a glorification of black community. of crime in the black community. there's a glorification through music, glorification music, there's a glorification of drugs other of it through drugs and other misdemeanours of it through drugs and other misi emeanours of it through drugs and other misi want nours of it through drugs and other misi want to jrs of it through drugs and other misi want to bring in i will i >> i want to bring in i will i will say that we do need that. >> the community needs to stop glorifying this a lifestyle, glorifying this as a lifestyle, because it has become a lifestyle for a lot of yes, it has become a lifestyle for lots of darren on the stop and >> but darren on the stop and search question, yes, black people likely be people are more likely to be stopped search police, but stopped in search by police, but we the conviction we also know that the conviction rates being stopped rates after people being stopped and searched black for black people it just people are lower. so is it just a case of stop and search reform or is there something more that the needs to do? >> i mean, i read that actually a lot of police officers are

saying they're scared saying that they're too scared now actually stop a black now to actually stop a black person the streets. it is person on the streets. it is happening more they are happening more if they are happening more if they are happening though. happening often, though. >> and search is >> darren, stop and search is happening young happening to a young black. >> you me, five times >> if you ask me, five times more likely to searched if more likely to be searched if you're because so you you're black because so you think is stop and think the solution is stop and search. >> think stop and search is >> i do think stop and search is a really important tool in the police's more so police's armoury, more so than family structure, not, uh, no. i think structure is think family structure is important, but i don't think you can and say, oh, can turn around and say, oh, i'm from a fatherless home. so obviously crime is obviously a life of crime is right me. that's just right for me. that's just actually giving people victim narratives. working narratives. i'm from a working class parent family. i class single parent family. i haven't stabbing haven't gone around stabbing people their phones, people or nick and their phones, you know? >> what do we do, belinda? to keep families together? >> what do we do, belinda? to keewell, ilies together? >> what do we do, belinda? to keewell, ilies tivererr? so >> well, sorry. very briefly. so alex america. really alex mentioned america. really important studies been done important studies have been done in and 60s. were in the 1950s and 60s. there were huge amounts strong black huge amounts of strong black families. black families. in fact, more black women married white women were married than white women. children came women. 9% of black children came from parent families. now from single parent families. now up 2023, it's now 56. up to now in 2023, it's now 56. what has gone wrong? is it because of the colour of their skin? no, it's welfare. welfare welfare. it replaced welfare. it has replaced

fatherhood in a way that is absolutely stealing from children's lives. they are paying children's lives. they are paying fathers basically not to take their responsibilities of their children . but i would say their children. but i would say that everyone, no matter their background colour, background or colour, is responsible own responsible for their own crimes. no excuse, not even this structural racism stuff. you go to jail if you commit a crime. >> all right, now belinda's going coming back with going to be coming back with more the royal family asking more on the royal family asking if be more if there should be more transparent. alex armstrong transparent. and alex armstrong is discussing prayer is going to be discussing prayer bans schools . next up, bans in schools. next up, though, it's britain's wokeist man, butterworth, and man, benjamin butterworth, and he wants discuss channel he wants to discuss channel migrants ask should they be migrants and ask should they be given the right to work in the uk? with the saturday uk? you're with the saturday five on news .

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cannibalism to stay alive. >> it's now a hit netflix movie . >> it's now a hit netflix movie. we're live at nine. >> welcome back to the saturday five spicy start. richards written in and richard says the move to net zero will be a disaster economically and will raise huge political problems between nations. war is a likely result. the arguments for net zero are based on results from computer models. these aren't always accurate and worse are tuned to give the results that the authors want. um, steve says, if only we use british steel in our infrastructure and stopped using the second class alternative from china, we would be working at a profit. slightly more expensive , but the money more expensive, but the money would be saved because it will last and then david says last longer. and then david says on albee's point, your guest is correct. often parent correct. often single parent families lack models families lack role models and lack discipline . well, there we lack discipline. well, there we are. thank you for your views. as ever, benjamin's up next, benjamin, what have you got for us?

>> well, speaking of lacking discipline, uh, it's me now, this week, today, it's been revealed that 16,000 channel migrants have been given permission to work while waiting for their applications to be processed. the number has risen considerably by about a third, because the number of people waiting more than a year sitting in hotels in this countries to have their refugee applications processed has gone up ten fold. now, some people say, like nigel farage, that they shouldn't be allowed to work. but you know what? i strongly disagree . we what? i strongly disagree. we pay what? i strongly disagree. we pay these migrants about £49 a week, as well as the considerable cost of their hotel stays. and what use of that is it to us when they're in this country , but not able to country, but not able to contribute to their costs? the fact is that we know £49 is clearly a measly amount to survive on so many of these migrants are already working in the black market, doing cash in hand jobs. i think the home office has had the right idea,

even if it did try to hide this amount. because if they learn more, earn more than £49 a week, they have to pay that towards they have to pay that towards the cost of their hotel accommodation . now, when it's accommodation. now, when it's costing us hundreds of millions of pounds, i say we're better off letting these refugees work in short staffed sectors than we are having them living off the taxpayer, so it shouldn't be a third of channel migrants getting visas to work. it should be 100. now. darren what do you make of that? >> well, i think actually you've basically started off the show by saying you don't give a damn if working class people lose their jobs and if working class people lose theirjobs and now if working class people lose their jobs and now you're turning around and saying you don't mind if migrants who don't have a right to be here, who are here illegally, can undercut theirjobs well? first of their jobs as well? first of all, is there anything you like about this nation horrible, spiteful, wing politics. spiteful, left wing politics. this is what you represent. look first the fact is that first of all, the fact is that these they've only been given visas to in areas of the visas to work in areas of the economy that have serious staff shortages. >> so there is nobody available

to do those jobs. so, for example, picking fruit, an area that's important in rural parts of this country that's put up the prices of lots of fruit since we left the eu. they go and do those jobs. taxpayers aren't the hotel bill and aren't paying the hotel bill and they're so we can they're contributing so we can afford food, perhaps. what is wrong that? wrong with that? >> you missed the point >> perhaps you missed the point where are actually caring where they are actually caring as being pushed where they are actually caring as the being pushed where they are actually caring as the care being pushed where they are actually caring as the care sector.1g pushed where they are actually caring as the care sector.1g puwould into the care sector. how would you if your elderly you like it if your elderly grandmother or grandfather was being after someone being looked after by someone who even know their who we don't even know their identity their identity or what their background bonkers, background is? it's bonkers, isn't background is? it's bonkers, isn'i think these people coming >> i think these people coming and jobs be and doing those jobs should be admired. majority admired. look the vast majority of them dearly want work of them dearly want to work and contribute build life in contribute and build a life in this country. and they're also not evidence that statement not evidence for that statement because they work, darren. >> the jobs that >> because they do the jobs that no in britain will do. look, no one in britain will do. look, i this is a sensible, um, i think this is a sensible, um, from a small state conservative perspective because we don't want relying state want people relying on state benefits. understand want people relying on state benewhy understand want people relying on state benewhy a understand want people relying on state benewhy a policyinderstand want people relying on state benewhy a policy which and want people relying on state benewhy a policy which was also why a policy which was introduced in 2005, which was reviewed may's reviewed by theresa may's government and boris johnson's government, and they both decided rules as decided to keep the rules as they is being discussed they are, is being discussed today if it's something new.

today as if it's something new. >> i hate this lazy brit argument. it really annoys me because there absolutely argument. it really annoys me beca of; there absolutely argument. it really annoys me beca of; there children lutely argument. it really annoys me beca of; there children who'd tons of young children who'd love these sectors, love to go into these sectors, but you know what is we don't but you know what it is we don't support labour, support child labour, cheap labour abroad. labour coming from abroad. that's the wages down. that's driving the wages down. so that doesn't make them an attractive do. attractive job to do. >> benjamin says we >> belinda benjamin says we don't child labour. don't want more child labour. well we don't want slave labour ehhen well we don't want slave labour either, we, benjamin? pay either, do we, benjamin? pay people ? people pittance? >> know what benjamin's >> i don't know what benjamin's talking when he's saying talking about when he's saying you we'll alleviate the you know, we'll alleviate the british we're still british taxpayer. we're still paying british taxpayer. we're still paying this is that paying for them. this is that we're their bed we're still paying for their bed and and they get keep and board and they get to keep their men we their wages. these are men we have. it's not true. well if have. no, it's not true. well if you love it, we have. you listened to the monologue? >> you'd know that you still pay if and board. if for bed and board. >> don't pay. >> they don't pay. >> they don't pay. >> not correct. >> that's not correct. >> that's not correct. >> as soon as they earn, they get some of their money get to save some of their money for if they earn more than the >> if they earn more than the £49, they'd get in benefits. thenin £49, they'd get in benefits. then in order to keep it, that has go to towards their has to go to their towards their accommodation. now these bills are hundreds of millions benefits, don't believe benefits, but i don't believe they is paid for. they hotel is paid for. >> don't pay. have to >> they don't pay. they have to pay >> they don't pay. they have to pay it from the state.

pay towards it from the state. i'm not that's correct. i'm not sure that's correct. >> it's in the daily telegraph to send to world. to send out to the world. >> basically saying >> it's basically saying everyone the everyone disaffected, the hundreds people hundreds of millions of people who disaffected come to who are disaffected come to england. dangling who are disaffected come to englan the dangling who are disaffected come to englanthe tories dangling who are disaffected come to englan the tories are dangling who are disaffected come to englan the tories are already| carrot. the tories are already dangling, gilded they dangling, just gilded it. they have said, come over. no have just said, come over. no deterrent. are the deterrent. they are liars. the conservative liars. conservative party are liars. >> and also it's been a policy like 2005. >> they've lied about it. they like 2005. >> tthey'd lied about it. they like 2005. >> tthey'd dod about it. they like 2005. >> tthey'd do everything they like 2005. >> tthey'd do everything to ay said they'd do everything to stop boats. said they stop the boats. they said they would put in deterrence. they are albie. are lying, albie. >> have to admit that >> you also have to admit that people yourself who are and people like yourself who are and benjamin, are saying that benjamin, who are saying that yes, the uk, come yes, come over to the uk, come over you'll over here illegally, you'll get a what i'm a job. that's not what i'm saying. that's what exactly what you're saying. that's what you're saying. that's not what you're saying. that's not what you the problem is you are. part of the problem is what i'm saying. no no, you're part problem. part of that problem. >> let me finish. what i'm saying the most saying is, let's make the most of situation. ian. i want of a bad situation. ian. i want the rwanda plan work. i want the rwanda plan to work. i want a to work. i want the a deterrent to work. i want the channel crossings to but channel crossings to stop. but with migrants work with with the migrants to work with the migrant, with the migrants who already here. who are already here. alex armstrong, i think they should be and contributing be put to work and contributing to the economy. >> and let's just the reason >> and let's just say the reason

that people given that the number of people given work visas has gone for work visas has gone up is for twofold. one, number of twofold. one, the number of people over a year for people waiting over a year for their case to processed has their case to be processed has risen tenfold. and secondly, we have serious shortages have more serious shortages in various you say various sectors. so when you say they're british jobs, no they're taking british jobs, no british applying british person was applying for those alternative those jobs. so the alternative is have british is that we have british businesses struggle and our pnces prices go up. >> no british person is applying for because you are for those jobs because you are saying tom, dick and saying to every tom, dick and harry the that they harry around the globe that they can in and undercut their can come in and undercut their wages. no, no, no. >> that's why the rhetoric, no wages. no, no, no. >> “was s why the rhetoric, no wages. no, no, no. >> “was s why those etoric, no wages. no, no, no. >> “was s why those jobs. , no wages. no, no, no. >> “was s why those jobs. we» one was doing those jobs. we have serious shortages areas have serious shortages in areas like fruit picking like care and fruit picking because they are agriculture. that's so why that's why. right. so why are they a pittance? that's why. right. so why are the because pittance? that's why. right. so why are the because oftance? that's why. right. so why are the because of your? that's why. right. so why are the because of your immigration? >> because of your immigration? >> because of your immigration? >> the wages that >> oppose it. if the wages that they were paying these migrants were equalised to british wages rather i would were equalised to british wages rath(oppose i would were equalised to british wages rath(oppose it i would were equalised to british wages rath(oppose it because ould were equalised to british wages rath(oppose it because they are still oppose it because they are not meant to be here, and not meant to be here, albie, and they be, they are they shouldn't be, but they are here. so what do we do? >> and just quickly to benjamin's from benjamin's point, anyone from the supporting the left who's supporting mass migration the tories the left who's supporting mass mfree:ion the tories the left who's supporting mass mfree pass the tories the left who's supporting mass mfree pass to the tories the left who's supporting mass mfree pass to fail the tories the left who's supporting mass mfree pass to fail theire tories the left who's supporting mass mfree pass to fail their own es a free pass to fail their own workforce, make working conditions wages conditions terrible and wages low. supporting the low. that's you supporting the tories invest in tories failures to invest in

their own people, right? >> to tonight alex >> still to come tonight alex armstrong is going to discuss whether birbalsingh, whether katharine birbalsingh, the in the strictest head teacher in britain, right to prayer britain, was right to ban prayer rituals school. first, rituals in a school. but first, queen belinda wants queen and belinda deluise wants to discuss family and to discuss the royal family and is asking you actually to keep your beak out. you're with the saturday five live on gb news .

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is britain's election. channel every . welcome back to the every. welcome back to the saturday five. >> cheers very much for your emails. maria has written in and maria says i strongly object to some of the panels saying single parent contribute to parent families contribute to crime. and four of my crime. myself and four of my friends have brought our friends have brought up our children without fathers, and friends have brought up our child|of without fathers, and friends have brought up our child|of them ut fathers, and friends have brought up our child|of them have:hers, and friends have brought up our child|of them have turned nd friends have brought up our child|of them have turned to none of them have turned to crime. emily says, wow , the only crime. emily says, wow, the only thing i can say to benjamin is you're living on another planet. well it's not the first time i've heard that one. the reality is, most of migrants are is, most of the migrants are already working illegally anyway. offer to anyway. why would you offer to declare as working declare yourself as working and have paying board at have to start paying board at the hotel and lose your asylum allowance? are definitely wouldn't want an undocumented person looking after my nan now, peter says migrants should be allowed to work in the uk if they have not thrown their passports away, but not if we do not know who they are. a range of views. thank you very much for them. now belinda's next belinda, what have you got for us? >> well, the media at the moment

is awash with speculation as to what caused the princess of wales to suffer abdominal surgery so serious it has led to a two week stay in hospital and months out of public view. it may be in the public interest to know if a senior is ill, know if a senior royal is ill, but i don't believe they should have to disclose their diagnosis. illnesses can be diagnosis. many illnesses can be deeply distressing and having it splashed across media again , splashed across media again, their impact their wishes could impact recovery , impact the children recovery, impact the children involved and even the anxiety of the nation . our monarchy is the the nation. our monarchy is the physical embodiment of our flag. it is the only thing that stands between us and a sleazy celeb cnnge between us and a sleazy celeb cringe politician representing our country . they may not be our country. they may not be perfect, but i believe it's our duty to form a ring of protection around our future queen. when she suffering. queen. when she is suffering. not for nhs waiting not blame her for nhs waiting lists or fuel rumours of her diagnosis. and as for the bloodhounds determined to find out or disclose her illness, remember it wasn't long ago that two pranksters invaded kate's privacy while she was in hospital with morning sickness by tricking nurse into passing

by tricking a nurse into passing their call to her room and the nurse ended up taking her own life. royals are still human beings. they deserve dignity and privacy over intimate health issues, so back off all you cunous issues, so back off all you curious cats and leave kate be now. now, what do you think ? now. now, what do you think? i'll go to you, darren, about? >> i actually do think that people should. when you find out something like the future, whether it be the future monarch or current monarch, ill, or the current monarch, is ill, the represent it's the the monarch represent it's the nation, right? the monarch is the the head, the the crown, the head, the figurehead of our nation , hood figurehead of our nation, hood of our symbols and all the rest of our symbols and all the rest of it. who we are, what we represent. and i think to find out that they are mortally ill or dying or wounded or whatever else it might be, and god forbid it be of those, by the way. it be any of those, by the way. but we don't know, right? we're purely speculating. but george vi, when he threw, flew was ill. and that's it. the queen elizabeth ii's father , they elizabeth ii's father, they didn't go around saying, oh , we didn't go around saying, oh, we must find out. actually, there

was a sort of it was a forbidden i >> -- >> but the press is quite different now, very much so. >> but i don't think we're less deference society. >> i actually take a different view. i do think that countries like america, where their head of state, the medical records are available to everyone. i don't necessarily that's don't necessarily think that's a bad and also it bad thing. and i also think it was good that king charles was very good that king charles said that he was going to hospital for a procedure for an enlarged prostate, because it's a problem that of older men a problem that lots of older men suffer from. and i hope that it leads to lots of older men getting their prostate checked out. because prostate is out. because prostate cancer is a leading of death for a leading cause of death for older . so i do think there older men. so i do think there can merit to the medical can be merit to the medical records and medical ailments records and the medical ailments of head state made of our head of state being made pubuc of our head of state being made public because it can encourage better behaviour among the people. >> they have young children, though, who, if they see all these media buzzes and headlines about ill and sick their about how ill and sick their parent because very parent is, because kate has very young children, does well. >> talking about the head of >> i'm talking about the head of state, the children state, and also the children would know that their would already know that their parent unwell, wouldn't parent was unwell, wouldn't they? imagine princes

they? so i imagine the princes and princess will know and the princess will know what is with mother. is wrong with their mother. >> it not part of the >> but is it not part of the whole mystery of the crown? as the did? this so the queen did? this so beautifully is what made so beautifully is what made her so special that they don't publicise lives, publicise their private lives, and enough of that and there's been enough of that in media books and in the media and in books and whatever lately. that's whatever else lately. that's that mystery of the crown that makes it special. i mean, we makes it so special. i mean, we also have lines of succession for there's ill for a reason. if there's an ill monarch, we the next monarch, then we have the next one oven monarch, then we have the next one over. i think that's one take over. i think that's what it's all about. and you can't really compare a president who's by the people who's elected by the people to represent policies represent them and pass policies and those things. and all those things. >> head of state. >> it's a little head of state. >> it's a little head of state. >> it's a little head of state. >> i think it's a little different. i think, i mean, look, the policy hasn't changed from queen elizabeth second. look, the policy hasn't changed frorwe ueen elizabeth second. look, the policy hasn't changed frorweueen alwaysth second. look, the policy hasn't changed frorweueen always notifiedzcond. look, the policy hasn't changed frorwe ueen always notified when >> we were always notified when she was in hospital or anything, and utterly terrifying and it was utterly terrifying every which don't every time, which you don't quite now. but what i'd say quite get now. but what i'd say is that, first all, sort is that, first of all, the sort of it to this idea that we of it comes to this idea that we have, that own these people, have, that we own these people, that are that because they are constitutionally in charge at some that we have an some point, that we have an ownership over aspect of ownership over every aspect of their life, which i find slightly but slightly uncomfortable. but i would 2009, would point out that in 2009, andrew asked

andrew marr famously asked gordon brown, said be gordon brown, who was said to be unwell i think it unwell at the time i think it was largely untrue whether he was largely untrue whether he was on medication and what medication taking, and it medication he was taking, and it was widely condemned. medication he was taking, and it was marrely condemned. medication he was taking, and it was marr was ondemned. medication he was taking, and it was marr was criticisedi medication he was taking, and it was marr was criticised for andrew marr was criticised for asking about asking the prime minister about his and so we his private health. and so we don't a culture of don't have a culture of expecting to know this about our elected and so maybe expecting to know this about our ele> mean, in the >> yes. and i mean, in the american context , right? you american context, right? you don't to told that joe don't have to be told that joe biden a bit past right?

biden is a bit past it, right? you just see darrius and i, you can just see darrius and i, i think it's an interesting one. but then the other point, the main point isn't actually about the head of belinda was the head of state, belinda was talking kate, the princess talking about kate, the princess of wales should she tell us why she's in hospital ? she's in hospital? >> well, look, my point is about the head of state and i think i think, i think i think for less, less important royals, it's probably not as relevant as for the head of state. i was making direct comparison between the us president and or the president and the king or the queen the united kingdom of queen of the united kingdom of great britain northern great britain and northern ireland, it is ireland, and i think it is probably right that the king or queen. and when kate is queen, that we do have understanding that we do have an understanding of the health of our head of state, as other countries do, it's abnormal. in the 2020s it's not abnormal. in the 2020s for that to be the case. all right. >> just answer that question. then you would you then each of you would you should. know what kate is in should. we know what kate is in hospital for? >> do you know, i the >> do you know, when i saw the details, feel a bit details, it made me feel a bit uncomfortable because , know, uncomfortable because, you know, i want other people i wouldn't want other people knowing that me. but the knowing that about me. but the fact you know, their health

fact is, you know, their health and survival essential to our and survival is essential to our constitution. think, constitution. so i think, pragmatically, know. constitution. so i think, pragrthinknlly, know. constitution. so i think, pragrthink it's know. constitution. so i think, pragrthink it's all know. constitution. so i think, pragrthink it's all a know. constitution. so i think, pragrthink it's all a bit know. constitution. so i think, pragrthink it's all a bit off now. 100. >> yeah, 100. obviously 100. no i think that there are some intimate and deeply, you know, embarrassing sometimes. >> okeydoke , folks. now, still >> okeydoke, folks. now, still ahead this evening, alex armstrong is going to ask if michaela community high school headteacher katharine birbalsingh, who makes my heart sing, the way, right to sing, by the way, was right to ban rituals their ban prayer rituals on their school you're with the school premises. you're with the saturday five live on gb news as

welcome back to the saturday five. it's been a spicy show so your emails have been flying in. johnny's written in, johnny says why aren't community leaders doing something within these communities ? he's talking about communities? he's talking about the black community to stop perpetuating the story and association of black being the perpetrator of crime and violence. it's a bad bunch, not

the majority. and this is making life difficult for law abiding members of said community. and basically all your emails on the royals are essentially saying, keep your nose out of business. that ain't yours. and i think that's fair enough. now now alex is going to finish things off this evening. alex, tell us what's been on your mind . what's been on your mind. >> well, now a school in . london >> well, now a school in. london has had their best headmistress and one of the best head mistresses, actually, in the uk, michaela school. >> the strictest >> it is. she's the strictest headmistress . but now she's headmistress. but now she's being taken to court. wonder why it's to do with wokeism, isn't it? and more radicalism in our primary schools as we keep seeing almost weekly in the uk now, miss birbalsingh, who is one of the best rated headmistresses and has bunso by getting her students against wokery by getting them in their uniforms ties, ties up when they get into school. no more flags other than the british flag

being in the being woven in in the playgrounds banning playgrounds and banning religious prayer. most importantly, a muslim pupil are more likely to be their parent, by the way, is now taking her to court to overturn that ban, saying it's their religious freedom that she is ruining. but her work speaks for itself, doesn't it? her work speaks for itself. her school is one of the best rated schools in britain, and that's because it's banned all this nonsense. its focussed on what is important in school and that is education. miss birbalsingh says that by removing religious prayer and by everyone having to sacrifice something, you create cultural cohesion . who would have thought cohesion. who would have thought it now if we compare that to another school in east london, berkeley primary school, where radical palestinian activist parents have shut it down now since december , where the kids since december, where the kids have not had an education for two months, you can see the stark difference. those poor teachers in that school are getting death threats. they're getting death threats. they're getting racist phone calls, and

there's even a bomb threat being sent into the school. so when we have a headteacher like mrs. birbalsingh , who parents by the birbalsingh, who parents by the way, sign a document saying that they are allowing their children to abide by all of these rules so they know what they're getting before they go to getting into before they go to the school. when we have a great headmistress that we headmistress like that and we allow them to be taken to court over simple, over something so simple, shouldn't we just religious shouldn't we just ban religious prayer ban this religious prayer and ban this religious nonsense together cannot nonsense all together? we cannot allow radical religious groups like this small sect of islamists to run our schools as they have been doing across the country. we saw it not only last year with lgbt education in some schools being completely stopped and the schools being absolutely barred from entry . we must get barred from entry. we must get on top of this absolute nonsense wokery. we've got to get on top of this radicalism and then do something great. ban religious prayer in schools and make it fair for everybody. now what do you think about this sort of ban? >> look, i think i think you've

got to be careful when you're calling muslim parents that want their children to practice islam islamists. i think that you've got to be when you say got to be careful when you say that. my point would be, that. but my point would be, look, i think probably look, i think it's probably right secular school for right in a secular school for kids not to be allowed to leave lessons and and but lessons and go and pray. but what is, i would what i would say is, i would suspect that that you disagreed with prayers outside with the ban on prayers outside abortion and isn't it a abortion clinics. and isn't it a little bit inconsistent to say you're ban this you're pro prayer ban in this secular but secular school instance? but anti prayer ban outside abortion , abortion? anti prayer ban outside abortion , allyrtion? anti prayer ban outside abortion , all see]? anti prayer ban outside abortion , all see the radical islamist >> i see the radical islamist bit. i'm preferably i'm mostly referring to the school in. i think it was bradford or somewhere that was shut down because they were teaching lgbt education. those making education. well those making threats are threats as well, they are extreme. are making, they extreme. they are making, they are if are are making. if you are threatening someone, a teacher, and they're not allowing and because they're not allowing prayers, sorry, but you are. >> i just think we've got to be careful when we throw around the word islamist. but on the second point about at the abortion clinic, that prayer ban, which i support you, i presume, if support it, you, i presume, if i'm right, would not support that. do support that. but you do support a prayer in this how

prayer ban in this context. how can be right? i don't can both be right? well, i don't think sort of, uh, think people being sort of, uh, intimidated abortion intimidated outside abortion clinics good thing because clinics is a good thing because people abortions people have abortions for different reasons. >> think there should be >> so i do think there should be some consideration as to what goes should there a goes on. should there be a prayer well, don't prayer ban? well, i don't really. i haven't really thought about and don't it's a about and i don't think it's a really issue. really big issue. >> can you haven't >> we can tell you haven't thought about it. >> i haven't thought about it outside abortion clinic, outside of an abortion clinic, but certainly about but i've certainly thought about what of it happens in what the impact of it happens in schools causes division. schools and it causes division. and i don't see how and we actually i don't see how they're comparable. >> a prayer ban. >> it's a prayer ban. >> it's a prayer ban. >> that's the comparable i think, parents think, the issues of parents being aggressive using being aggressive and using illegal levels threats illegal levels of threats against teachers is against teachers in a school is clearly question here at this >> the question here at this free school in brent is that 30 pupils were praying in the playground . there is no prayer playground. there is no prayer room for them to do it privately . now, there's no suggestion that out of that they would come out of lessons do that, that lessons to do that, and that wouldn't if it were. but wouldn't be okay if it were. but i actually, i this i actually, i find this difficult first all, difficult because first of all, there there is no there is there is no contradiction between good discipline and well—behaved kids and wanting to privately pray maybe during the school

maybe twice during the school day, they pray five times a day, generally, i think muslims. and so i think it's to so i think it's wrong to conflate those. and the fact is that, i to that, you know, i went to a secular secondary school which would prayers would have christian prayers dunng would have christian prayers during the day. it would reference christian hymns. and so i you'd want to ban so i doubt you'd want to ban that. i think every other school can have muslims happily there. why this one? why can't this one? >> think faith school he's >> i think the faith school he's talking, you know, i went i went i didn't go to a faith secondary school. >> and there are plenty of references to christianity. >> but issue we have >> yeah, but the issue we have is we live in a climate at is that we live in a climate at the moment. we our, our authorities people authorities and people in government about government are scared about criticising or scrutinising one particular religion when see particular religion. when we see that you you can that anyway, you know, you can absolutely tear to shreds christianity, but people don't have courage when they have the same courage when they want to openly and publicly scrutinise for example. scrutinise islam. for example. now, i've spent a lot of time in muslim countries. i have fantastic conservative muslim friends said to me many friends who have said to me many times, what is going on in the friends who have said to me many timewhy|at is going on in the friends who have said to me many timewhy is is going on in the friends who have said to me many timewhy is thereing on in the friends who have said to me many timewhy is there such1 in the friends who have said to me many timewhy is there such a n the friends who have said to me many timewhy is there such a softe uk? why is there such a soft touch to islamists who demand and that the country changes for

them? and we do have can i just clarify? >> let there have been threats. >> let there have been threats. >> let there have been threats. >> let me finish. i'm just talking for 30s. please, men. uh these these these muslim children are being threatened by by the more extreme muslims. it is muslim children that are being threatened. my muslim friends hate the radical islamism. in my opinion , radical islamism. in my opinion, radical islamism. in my opinion, radical islamism is akin to nazism. islamism. in my opinion, radical islamism is akin to nazism . and islamism is akin to nazism. and because it's an issue that's very different, we need to make rules that they are absolutely forbidden to force schools. i'm sorry, schools to change quickly for their needs. i think it's deeply offensive . deeply offensive. >> lviv to suggest that muslim kids wanting to privately pray , kids wanting to privately pray, as is their religion, is in any way equivalent to extremists or terrorists. but you wouldn't say you wouldn't say . you wouldn't you wouldn't say. you wouldn't say to an anglican or a catholic school that those kids that express their christianity are akin to christians , terrorists. akin to christians, terrorists. thatis akin to christians, terrorists. that is pure bigotry. bigoted beunda that is pure bigotry. bigoted belinda , leave it there. belinda, leave it there. >> thank you very much to our

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means a frost free start to sunday, but generally fairly cloudy. there'll be some brighter sunny spells, particularly across towards the central southern parts of the uk and perhaps northeast scotland, but storm moves in but then storm isa moves in outbreaks of heavy pushing outbreaks of heavy rain pushing in to the north and the west of the uk, winds picking up by the afternoon. gusts of 5060. locally, 70 miles an hour could lead to some disruption and then through sunday evening, overnight into monday, the band of rain pushes eastwards , which of rain pushes eastwards, which will be heavy and then some really strong and gusty winds affects northern scotland. amber warnings out across many northern parts of northern and western parts of the perhaps south—east the uk, perhaps south—east england. seeing some very england. also seeing some very strong blustery strong winds. it stays blustery into monday. further heavy showers and then turning very wet and windy again as we move into tuesday. see soon! into tuesday. see you soon! >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers spot of weather on gb news as

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tonight, our emma webb , andrew tonight, our emma webb, andrew eborn and nicholas de santo. but first let's go to for aaron your latest news headlines . latest news headlines. >> thanks , leo. good evening to >> thanks, leo. good evening to you i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. norfolk police has referred itself to the independent watchdog after failing to respond to a 999 call from a home where four bodies were subsequently found. the force says it was contacted by a man at 6 am. on friday, but no officers were deployed. just over an hour later , police found over an hour later, police found the bodies of two young girls and a 45 year old man and a 36 year old woman in costessey, near norwich , after they near norwich, after they responded to another call from a member of the public. they're understood to have come from the same family. it's the second referral norfolk police has made following the deaths, after officers attended the same address last month as part of a missing persons inquiry. a speech by the shadow foreign secretary calling for a

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