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broadcaster and author christine hamilton . in broadcaster and author christine hamilton. in a few moments time, we'll going for the clash. we'll be going for the clash. we're going head to head in a clash of minds with former labour mp stephen pound and also political theorist, and visiting fellow at the mcc budapest ralph schollhammer . now stay with us. schollhammer. now stay with us. but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . get your latest news headlines. >> nana. thank you very much. good afternoon. from the gb newsroom. the headlines just after 3:00. our top story today. people are being warned not to travel as a string of storm warnings blanket most of the uk . warnings blanket most of the uk. there are several weather warnings in place , including two warnings in place, including two amber wind alerts as storm isha sweeps for in masters say there's a danger to life , with there's a danger to life, with warnings of falling trees , power warnings of falling trees, power cuts and possible flooding . cuts and possible flooding. winds of up to 90 miles an hour are now expected earlier. our northern ireland reporter dougie beattie t said conditions are expected to get much worse

tonight . tonight. >> rain at the front of this storm is now arriving in northern ireland. winds are picking up but it's expected at 6:00 this evening when that amber warning goes into place for the whole of the province, that those damage and winds will start to arrive . people have start to arrive. people have been told to stay away from coastal areas and side roads for fear of falling debris. >> now, if you're nervous about flying, watching on tv, you may want to look away . now. here are want to look away. now. here are some flights coming into london's heathrow airport. you can see there they're experiencing some rather shaky landings with wind conditions is creating some very frightening conditions for anyone on board those aircraft . several flights those aircraft. several flights were spotted looking unsteady as they descended into britain's main airport , us troops have main airport, us troops have been injured in a rocket attack in western iraq, which has been claimed by a group affiliated with iran. an unspecified number of american troops are

undergoing evacuation there from possible traumatic brain injuries . a group called the injuries. a group called the islamic resistance in iraq has claimed responsibility for the attack, which is the latest in a series of strikes against us targets in recent weeks . it targets in recent weeks. it marks another escalation amid heightened tensions in the region following the outbreak of the ongoing israel—gaza conflict . back here in the uk, labour says the government's rwanda plan won't act as a deterrent to any migrants entering britain illegally. speaking to gb news, presenter camilla tominey earlier, the shadow immigration minister, stephen kinnock said tackling the crisis depends on international cooperation in a way that shipping perhaps i% of the number of people that come across the channel on small boats to rwanda is ever going to act as a deterrent. >> you're dealing with people who are fleeing violence and persecution by stopping, wasting so rwanda, which is so much time on rwanda, which is just a gimmick that is doomed to failure let's plough more

failure. let's plough much more resource and time and energy into doing some of the things that have worked, like the albania we fully support albania deal. we fully support the how many other the albania deal. how many other that has worked as deterrent? that has worked as a deterrent? >> last few hours >> well, in the last few hours there has been explosion at a there has been an explosion at a major gas terminal in the baltic sea that's near russia, in what's suspected to be a drone strike from ukraine, firefighters are battling flames there at the site after reports from ukrainian media suggest a special operation was carried out by security services . out by security services. ukraine's government, though, hasn't yet claimed responsibility for that possible drone strike. novatek is russia's largest natural gas producer , and it's now been producer, and it's now been forced to stop operations at that site . meanwhile, the royal that site. meanwhile, the royal navy's defences are to be boosted with a 450 £405 million rather of funding . that's amid rather of funding. that's amid escalating global tensions. missiles that have been used to defend ships in the red sea will be upgraded, making it the uk's most capable naval air defence

system ever developed. defence secretary grant shapps told gb news earlier that britain is taking a lead. we're . investing taking a lead. we're. investing $288 billion pounds over the next decade to make sure that we do pump more money into our military, into our equipment and that we can safely defend ourselves. >> and britain's leading the way as i said, in ukraine, but actually also this week, i announced an operation in europe called steadfast defender, which is a nato operation in which the united kingdom is providing 40% of the ground troops and 50% of the overall personnel , even the overall personnel, even though there were 32 countries in total involved in this. so we really are leading from the front in the uk , tax cuts could front in the uk, tax cuts could be on the way this spring as the chancellor looks to relieve pressures on families ahead of the budget in march. >> jeremy hunt says the path to tax relief is working , >> jeremy hunt says the path to tax relief is working, as he pledged to stick to the government's economic plan. economists predict cuts economists predict the cuts could be worth around £10

billion. ten years of thousands of people have been taking to the streets across germany in protests against a right wing political party. marchers can be seen carrying banners saying against hate and defend democracy. they've gathered in more than 100 cities and towns across germany. it comes after reports revealed a secret meeting had taken place involving the popular alternative for germany party. it's alleged they had discussed a plan to deport people from so—called non german backgrounds, which would include many german citizens. backgrounds, which would include many german citizens . the party, many german citizens. the party, known as afd, is currently polling second in national surveys. they're and finally , surveys. they're and finally, the skies above berlin last night were lit up as a spectacular rare meteor was spotted . for those listening on spotted. for those listening on on radio, we are looking at pictures here of that dramatic display in the night sky, researcher michael, a, who managed to capture that moment on camera, had told reporters he was just about to take his dog

for a walk when his colleague told him to keep eyes on the told him to keep his eyes on the sky, according to berlin's planetary research institute. that only the eighth that is only the eighth time ever been possible to ever it's been possible to predict exact time of predict the exact time of a meteor sighting . that's the meteor sighting. that's the latest from the gb newsroom. for now , so we'll be back in the now, so we'll be back in the next half hour or so for more. we're on tv, digital radio and on your smart speaker. now though, let's get back to . nana though, let's get back to. nana >> good afternoon. it's fast approaching eight minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua . we're live 3:00. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio now. before we get stuck into our debates over the next houn into our debates over the next hour, let me introduce you to my clashes. they're going head to headin clashes. they're going head to head in the clash of minds. joining former mp joining me, former labour mp stephen pound and also political theorist and fellow at the mtk budapest, ralph schollhammer. right. so here's what's coming up today in the clash. is brexit safe in labour's hands as sadiq

khan calls for freedom of movement for young people? is the party trying to reverse the changes made by the departure from the eu? then is the civil service out of control? the government has announced plans to crack down on activism in whitehall , but will workshops whitehall, but will workshops and a new minister for common sense solve the problem then? should conservatives cut inheritance or income tax ? inheritance or income tax? chancellor jeremy inheritance or income tax? chancellorjeremy hunt is chancellor jeremy hunt is weighing up the pre—election giveaway, and i'll be asking which one do you think he should be? should be cutting? which one should tories prioritise at? should the tories prioritise at? and is your money safe with sir keir starmer? although labour say they have no plans for new taxes will all their big taxes, will all their big spending pledges uh, can can keir starmer be trusted with the treasury ? and of course the bbc? treasury? and of course the bbc? are they in any position to counter disinformation as the corporation finds itself guilty of violating its own editorial standards? should we take any lectures from them that's coming up in the next hour? as ever, tell me what you think on

everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. all right. tweet me at. gb news. all right. so it's just coming up to nine minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua welcome. if you're just tuned in. london mayor sadiq khan has called for a freedom of movement agreement for young people be move freely people to be able to move freely to from the eu for the first to and from the eu for the first time since brexit in order to lessen what he says is the economic cultural damage caused by uk's decision to leave by the uk's decision to leave the union and all of this after the union and all of this after the current labour leader, sir keir starmer , starmer's keir starmer, starmer's shadow brexit once again brexit secretary once again under scrutiny as he tries to step up his efforts to become prime minister. so do you think brexit is safe in the hands of labour? uh, so let's welcome again to my head to heads for former labour mp stephen pound and also ralph schollhammer, political theorist and fellow at the mcc budapest stephen pound. i'm going to start with you. >> yes. well, what sadiq is actually saying was that we had

things like the erasmus programme in this country where people universities people from universities in the rest of europe could come to study universities and study in universities and i think was damn good idea. think it was a damn good idea. >> was cross cultural, you >> it was cross cultural, you know, you got to know, the idea that you got to know, the idea that you got to know what it was like to study in a dutch or a hungarian or an austrian university, what he actually qualified actually said he qualified his comments very, very, very quickly and is not quickly and said he is not seeking to reverse brexit because, you know, we may, you know, to my know, i may be a remainer to my bootstraps, but i'm a democrat. so what talking about is so what he's talking about is that for that the ability for particularly for young particularly for our young people know our people to get to know our european cousins, same european cousins, we're the same family, heaven's sake, to family, for heaven's sake, to get them to know them better, but not to reverse brexit but not to try to reverse brexit because that would be anti—democratic. and frankly, impossible. do think, ralph? do >> do you think, ralph? what do you no, agree with you in this >> no, i agree with you in this case.i >> no, i agree with you in this case i the >> no, i agree with you in this case. i the problem with case. i mean, the problem with brexit, think, is still that brexit, i think, is still that very often it was considered as the of the the end game, the end of the as the end game, but actually it was just the beginning. sometimes look beginning. sometimes when i look back brexit movement and back at the brexit movement and i'm continental, when i was i'm a continental, when i was observing it, what kind of struck it reminded of struck me is it reminded me of imagine the revolution, imagine the american revolution,

like founding fathers like the founding fathers declare independence from great britain. say, all britain. and then they say, all right, that's it. nothing else to this is how brexit to do. and this is how brexit struck a little bit, right. struck me a little bit, right. there this campaigning. there was all this campaigning. you brexit done. but then it you got brexit done. but then it seems like it's like when the dog the car. right. so dog catches the car. right. so here the next here we are. so what's the next step. think this is these step. and i think this is these are kind of all the kind of the aftershocks problem. aftershocks of that problem. so where of where should there be areas of cooperation should we cooperation and where should we really a clean divorce? really be a clean divorce? i mean, the idea to young mean, the idea to have young people be people exchange, you know, be universal other things universal programs, other things is thing. and just to is a good thing. and just to give a little bit of a historical perspective, mean, give a little bit of a hist

and did some work against people smuggl�*things. absolutely and did some work against people smuggl�*things. so absolutely and did some work against people smuggl�*things. so we absolutely and did some work against people smuggl�*things. so we are bsolutely and did some work against people smuggl�*things. so we are stilljtely ghastly things. so we are still working the police working with the other police forces on continental europe and i think that's an example whereby would say we whereby some people would say we should nothing should have absolutely nothing to of but to do with any aspect of it, but things standards, things like food standards, veterinary standards, the transportation veterinary standards, the tranenvironmental protection. air, environmental protection. there's many things we have there's so many things we have to europe because there's so many things we have to not europe because there's so many things we have to not isolated»pe because there's so many things we have to not isolated»pe beeurope. there's so many things we have to mhm,t isolated»pe beeurope. there's so many things we have to mhm,t isola'but)e beeurope. there's so many things we have to mhm,t isola'but)e beelis»pe. there's so many things we have to mhm,t isola'but)e beeils all >> mhm, mhm. but brexit is all about free movement, movement of people and people for a lot of people. and the the notion we people for a lot of people. and the almost the notion we people for a lot of people. and the almost moving)tion we people for a lot of people. and the almost moving towards we are almost moving towards it in some another quite some form or another is quite disconcerting for many people. >> do agree , but i think this >> i do agree, but i think this is problem that is a little bit a problem that many have. how brexit is currently conducted. because as you just said, right. cooperation. nobody's against cooperation. but look at certain environmental regulations, for example. even the example. i mean, even the current supposedly conservative government under rishi sunak, right? are in much right? they are moving in a much faster and more extreme ways when it comes to net zero than the europeans are. for example, the europeans are. for example, the or potential the outlawing or the potential outlawing of the internal combustion engine. right. there's period on there's a much longer period on continental there continental europe than there is in is absurd. and in britain, which is absurd. and let me just give you one example. i mean, we see this now with britain. with steelworks in britain. we know price know that the potential price for, you know, for, for, uh, you know, abandoning your industries due to net zero policies can be

very, very high. europeans are increasingly this. we increasingly realising this. we see results in germany. so see the results in germany. so it's leave the it's kind of odd you leave the european union because supposedly you supposedly it was holding you back , and then enact back, and then you enact policies that worse than policies that are worse than those european union. policies that are worse than tithink european union. policies that are worse than tithink it european union. policies that are worse than tithink it defeats»pean union. policies that are worse than tithink it defeats»p i i think there >> i here i don't think there constructing conducting brexit very well at all. and in particular the whole tata steel thing, which i think is absurd, to your means of to lose all your means of production and to think the production and to i think the idea that we, an advanced industrial state, cannot make our own steel. >> it's madness. that is ludicrous. and when i look at a royal navy warship and i think that that steel was actually built, made in south built, it was made in south korea . it smelted in there. korea. it was smelted in there. the were built in, you the ships were built in, you know, also possibly korea, know, in also possibly korea, possibly holland. it's a ridiculous situation. but look, the idea of going the point is the idea of going from sort of the bessemer converter system arc converter system to this arc processing they're talking processing that they're talking about port talbot good about in port talbot is a good idea medium to long terme idea in the medium to long terme . yeah. well, you cannot do is to it in overnight, lose to bring it in overnight, lose 6000 jobs plus the whole supply chain whole

chain and condemn that whole swathe of south wales yet again , swathe of south wales yet again, because they've lost their coal mines, they've lost the shipbuilding, you know, they've lost to lose this as lost so much. to lose this as well is actually condemns them to well problem well, >> well the problem is as well, i was speaking to some scientists who literally couldn't agree with each other. but problem with the whole but the problem with the whole first. whole first. well, yeah, but the whole problem with the, ah, processing mechanism make mechanism is that you can make the virgin steel eventually. but they saying you can do it they were saying you can do it with hydrogen. now with the use of hydrogen. now that's they're i that's what they're saying. i don't that's. don't know whether that's. >> is, that is true. >> but that but sorry, >> but that but that sorry, sorry that time. that is sorry that is in time. that is not ready. now. do have not ready. now. we do not have the that the infrastructure to do that right seems right now. so it seems absolutely madness. >> thing is this >> well, the thing is this, this debates to debates what is important to keep there are many keep in mind. there are many things that technologically things that are technologically possible. question possible. but the other question is, make economic sense? possible. but the other question is, you make economic sense? possible. but the other question is, you say ake economic sense? possible. but the other question is, you say we economic sense? possible. but the other question is, you say we cannomic sense? possible. but the other question is, you say we can make sense? possible. but the other question is, you say we can make green? so if you say we can make green steel in britain, that is absolutely there are absolutely possible. there are many but of many things are possible. but of course, is, course, if chinese steel is, then 60, 70% cheaper. if then 50, 60, 70% cheaper. if you're maker in britain, you're a car maker in britain, you're a car maker in britain, you're to have problem you're going to have a problem because cars already because chinese cars are already cheapen because chinese cars are already cheaper. also can cheaper. if they then also can work with cheaper steel, right? cheaper. if they then also can we someh cheaper steel, right? cheaper. if they then also can we some h chea the steel, right? cheaper. if they then also can we someh chea the british ght? at some point, the british customer, that the customer, the idea that the united tried this with united states tried this with japanese in the japanese car exports in the 70s and say, well, american

and 80s to say, well, american cars expensive, but cars are more expensive, but it's a patriotic duty to it's like a patriotic duty to buy car. it's like a patriotic duty to buy car . well, it's like a patriotic duty to buy car. well, some buy an american car. well, some people afford that many people can afford that many people can afford that many people can't. you have the people can't. so if you have the chinese that costs half as chinese car that costs half as much as british many much as the british car, many british people forced to british people will be forced to buy the cheaper chinese. that was when buy the cheaper chinese. that wa in when buy the cheaper chinese. that wa in europe when buy the cheaper chinese. that wa in europe they when buy the cheaper chinese. that wa in europe they have when buy the cheaper chinese. that wa in europe they have a when buy the cheaper chinese. that wa in europe they have a thingvhen he in europe they have a thing called home preference, called home market preference, which actually outlawed under the remember , he tried >> but if you remember, he tried to know, detroit and to revive, you know, detroit and so belt by doing so the rust belt by doing that. but was but what's bizarre is when i was in donetsk years ago, in donetsk a few years ago, i was to see that, was amazed to see that, you know, of the main towns know, one of the main towns there used to be there was actually used to be called the called hughes grad because the steel processes there were actually by welsh actually operated by welsh people, wales was such a people, because wales was such a leader in and because what they had donetsk, in, in that had in, in donetsk, in, in that part the world, you know, part of the world, you know, they they had they had the iron ore, they had they had the iron ore, they had the had the labour. the water, they had the labour. and welsh went out and so the welsh went out and did it. so from actually running, actually running, you know, actually showing the world how to do it, to standing back and to actually standing back and saying, and the saying, we can't do it. and the only operate our only people who can operate our steel tartars . i'm steel thing are the tartars. i'm sorry. that's i'm, i'm not the greatest flag waving patriot . greatest flag waving patriot. but i do wish to god we could do something country. but i do wish to god we could do sonbuting country. but i do wish to god we could do son but do country. but i do wish to god we could do son but do you country. but i do wish to god we could do son but do you think jntry. but i do wish to god we could do sonbut do you thinkjntnthing >> but do you think the thing with though, is they put

with steel, though, is they put tariffs to tariffs on it, didn't they? to make and didn't make it more. and it didn't work. precisely. work. expensive. and precisely. >> obama it, you know. and tried %-- >> and we tried that here as well. but the bottom line is when it to things like when it comes to things like war, then then trouble war, then then you're in trouble because on because you need to rely on somebody to, give somebody else to, to give you those that those things. and we saw that with no, those things. and we saw that with n0, covid those things. and we saw that with no, covid as with covid. no, no. covid as soon no as soon as soon as there was no as soon as the eu thought, hang on a minute, you're getting all the vaccines, stop vaccines, we're going to stop the the the vaccines. they stopped the vaccines not vaccines that they had not ordered, ordered ordered, that we had ordered because didn't have the ordered, that we had ordered beca|that didn't have the ordered, that we had ordered beca|that they'din't have the ordered, that we had ordered beca|that they'd ordered the ordered, that we had ordered beca|that they'd ordered from ones that they'd ordered from someone is, someone else. so the problem is, as saw with all the ppe and as we saw with all the ppe and all things that came all the other things that came with supply chain, and with it, its supply chain, and you'd that this government you'd think that this government would have learnt the lesson and even more expensive even if it is more expensive to keep a, you know, keep a steel, a, you know, a virgin this virgin steel industry in this country, well , it doesn't have country, well, it doesn't have to more expensive. to be more expensive. >> if you allow me to go >> i mean, if you allow me to go all dickens on you, all charles dickens on you, right? i cannot tell you a story of cities, can tell of two cities, but i can tell you countries. of two cities, but i can tell you if countries. of two cities, but i can tell you if you countries. of two cities, but i can tell you if you if countries. of two cities, but i can tell you if you if you:ountries. of two cities, but i can tell you if you if you compare the mean, if you if you compare the united states and germany, we have countries tried united states and germany, we hav

are currently, as we speak, re industrialising because their energy so cheap. this could energy is so cheap. this could be done in a similar fashion in great britain, but for some reason know both reason i don't know why both tories seem to look tories and labour seem to look at the german example and say this we to do it. i this is how we have to do it. i mean, want to follow mean, if you want to follow berlin the abyss, be berlin into the abyss, be my guest. don't think a guest. i just don't think it's a very smart back on very smart way to get back on the two cities. the tale of two cities. >> i mean, the first sentence is a cities. it was the a tale of two cities. it was the best times. it was the worst best of times. it was the worst of times. and in many ways it is the times we the best of times because we have sophisticated industry, the best of times because we heise sophisticated industry, the best of times because we heise scthe;ticated industry, the best of times because we heise scthe;ticateofndustry, the best of times because we heise scthe;ticate of times. , it is also the worst of times. we iron ore it is also the worst of times. wethis iron ore it is also the worst of times. wethis country, iron ore it is also the worst of times. wethis country, so iron ore it is also the worst of times. wethis country, so if iron ore it is also the worst of times. wethis country, so if we're1 ore in this country, so if we're going a steel industry going to have a steel industry here, we're going to have to bnngin here, we're going to have to bring in the iron from bring in the raw iron from somewhere, going somewhere, unless we're going to simply know, simply rely on, you know, recycling what we've so recycling what we've got. so we're going to have to have those global links. we're going to have to have tho so global links. we're going to have to have tho so globédoesls. with >> so how does this link with brexit? we've brexit? because that was we've moved on a bit. >> taoiseach know, but >> i know taoiseach know, but it's crucial because thing it's crucial because the thing is, believe and i mean, is, i believe and i mean, i don't want to provoke your viewers. >> e one p- p— viewers. >> one of the things go >> i think one of the things go on talk on that nobody wants to talk about when britain about is, you know, when britain lost it also kind lost its empire, it also kind of lost its empire, it also kind of lost identity. think lost its identity. and i think since 1950s, 1960s, there since the 1950s, 1960s, there was search for identity . so was this search for identity. so oneidea was this search for identity. so one idea was because winston

churchill, would never churchill, i think, would never have union . have joined the european union. but was gone, but once the empire was gone, the okay, let's try it the idea was, okay, let's try it with the european union. european integration then that didn't for the didn't really work out for the british soul. want say british soul. if you want to say let's do brexit, maybe brexit will british will become the new british identity. we see that identity. so now we see that this fully working identity. so now we see that this and fully working identity. so now we see that this and i fully working identity. so now we see that this and i think:ully working identity. so now we see that this and i think now working identity. so now we see that this and i think now workisg out. and i think now this is a constant search of what does it mean be british. and what is mean to be british. and what is britain's in world. britain's role in the world. that's think it that's a much wider i think it was in 1955 said was dean rusk in 1955 who said britain's it britain's lost an empire, but it hasn't yet found a role. and i think that's so correct. >> you know, think he >> i think, you know, i think he was then. but i think was right then. but i think i think was dean i'm think it was dean rusk. but i'm sure i'll be corrected if it wasn't. >> but i reckon the final deconstruction empire deconstruction of the empire will destruction will be the destruction of the steel industry, because, ironically, reason ironically, the only reason we could travel all around the world and colonise all these places we had ships places was because we had ships build ships. yeah. fact build ships. yeah. so the fact that literally gone in that we've literally gone in a full come back to full circle and come back to zero, were actually full circle and come back to zero, of were actually full circle and come back to zero, of wood were actually full circle and come back to zero, of wood initially. |ctually full circle and come back to zero, of wood initially. theyly built of wood initially. they were. but were. yeah, they were, but not in day. it, but but in my day. i hate it, but but eventually with eventually we came up with our steel but this is this steel industry. but this is this is the thing. >> that's nice thing >> because that's the nice thing about brexit, right? brexit allows move allows britain to move autonomously so autonomously in many areas. so if be charge in if i would be in charge in london, example, say london, for example, i would say there are, for example

significant rare earth, are iron ore in ore deposits in scandinavia in parts of eastern europe. and i would there and say, we would go there and say, we britain has a strong britain still has a strong industrial base. underused, industrial base. it's underused, but the base is still there to say refining say we built our own refining minerals industry britain, minerals industry in britain, but resources from but we get the resources from our european partners making a bilateral with them. our european partners making a bilaterithere's with them. our european partners making a bilaterithere's a with them. our european partners making a bilaterithere's a lot with them. our european partners making a bilaterithere's a lot thath them. our european partners making a bilaterithere's a lot that can am. i think there's a lot that can be done, the problem is, and be done, but the problem is, and this the way, also the this is, by the way, also the problem in continental europe, this is, by the way, also the prob politicianstinental europe, this is, by the way, also the prob politicians seemal europe, this is, by the way, also the prob politicians seem toeurope, this is, by the way, also the prob politicians seem toeurcvery that politicians seem to be very capable platitudes, capable of spouting platitudes, but worse than but they're much worse than actually formulating policy. i give one really quick give you one really quick example. i i find it example. i mean, i find it absurd. days ago, we absurd. a couple of days ago, we have politician who's have british politician who's saying for saying we can support for ukraine years. yeah ukraine another 100 years. yeah in the war. but you can't if you don't have a defensive industry. the same with with the royal navy. cannot going navy. you cannot say we're going to royal if to bulk up the royal navy if you don't defensive industry, don't have a defensive industry, because have an because if you don't have an industry, also don't have industry, you also don't have a defensive industry. and i think there's dissonance there's a cognitive dissonance that oh, that you can say, oh, we abandoned abandoned abandoned steel, we abandoned gas we abandoned gas, we abandoned coal, we abandoned but at the abandoned nuclear. but at the same become a new same time we become a new industrial powerhouse. this is not work. not how these things work. >> the key thing is, i mean, kiruna, northern sweden has massive and massive iron ore deposits, and it a huge iron

it used to have a huge iron industry. fact, it's been run industry. in fact, it's been run down indeed. but down very much indeed. but i mean, i'm doing some union stuff therethere's just no demand for said there's just no demand for it is cheaper it because the steel is cheaper to china and other to come in from china and other places. we could actually get places. if we could actually get cheap or at cheap iron ore from sweden or at least priced iron least realistically priced iron ore smelt it and ore process it, smelt it and shape here, then solved shape it here, then we've solved the well, make last >> well, can i make my last point? >> well, can i make my last poiisorry, didn't mean to interrupt. >> that's exactly. that's exactly what you say is exactly the is the point. the reason is the swedes very much like swedes very much hold back, like many continental europe, because of no of eu regulations. but you're no longer eu, you longer part of the eu, so you can you can go there and can say you guys because guys cannot process it because you're the you're held back by the regulations have. regulations that we don't have. give ore. we process give us the iron ore. we process it and then we re—export it. but that's obsession the that's this obsession with the whole lot people us that's this obsession with the wistay lot people us that's this obsession with the wistay within people us that's this obsession with the wistay within people and us to stay within the eu, and i think there's a lacklustre approach. london think there's a lacklustre aplondon london think there's a lacklustre aplondon obsessedidon think there's a lacklustre aplondon obsessed with is london is more obsessed with regulation . that's regulation than brussels. that's the that nobody the dark secret that nobody wants . wants to say. >> seem to be the >> it would seem to be the way we've the red for we've exchanged the red tape for green which is our own green tape, which is our own problem. but what do you problem. yes, but what do you think? gb views gb com is think? gb views gb news. com is what the question? crikey, what was the question? crikey, we've off. oh is the we've moved way off. oh is the sneaky labour party trying to slip us in back into europe

through the back door? >> the answer is obviously yes. yeah obviously. >> the answer is obviously yes. yeah obv do sly. >> the answer is obviously yes. yeah obv do you think? if only >> what do you think? if only are to get us are they trying to get us in through door? is sadiq through the back door? is sadiq khan's little plan to create this sort of like eu thing where people actually people can exchange and actually what it is as freedom of movement in the end? that the movement in the end? is that the beginning an beginning or is that an acceptable do you acceptable move? what do you think? gb news think? gb views that gb news scheme at gb news scheme or tweet me at gb news very briefly, i think can very briefly, i think i can sneak one i'm not sure, sneak this one in. i'm not sure, but it. the cabinet but i'll do it. the cabinet office minister has ordered a review diversity review of whitehall's diversity networks and refresh of the civil services impartiality guidance to stop officials using their jobs as a vehicle for political activism . and under political activism. and under the plans discussed with kemi badenoch, the equalities minister, and estimate they, the minister, and estimate they, the minister for common sense diversity meetings would have to be before work, during be held before work, during lunch or in the evenings lunch breaks or in the evenings that will stop them. so is the civil service out of control ? civil service out of control? let me welcome again to my clashes. stephen pound and also ralph schollhammer. uh, who did i go to first? was it? i'll go to ralph. civil rights in this country. are they out of

control? >> um, i'm not sure if they're out but i think out of control, but i think what the describes is the question describes is there's a lot of talk these days about the so—called deep state. and some kind of and if it's kind of some kind of conspiracy. think conspiracy. but i don't think that's the case. i think the problem that significant problem is that a significant part and again, that's a problem we have in continental as part and again, that's a problem we hils! in continental as part and again, that's a problem we hiis that ontinental as part and again, that's a problem we hiis that so:inental as part and again, that's a problem we hiis that so manyil as part and again, that's a problem we hiis that so manyil aof well, is that so many members of the have been the civil service have been marinated specific marinated in a very specific worldview, actually marinated in a very specific worl�*difficult actually marinated in a very specific worl�*difficult those:ually marinated in a very specific worl�*difficult those:ualtop. very difficult for those on top. the government to effect the actual government to effect policy i would at policy change. so i would at least tendency by a tendency , we least tendency by a tendency, we agree with the idea that somebody who's a civil servant can have the primary qualification course, qualification is, of course, that for the that they're qualified for the job. they're doing the second one, need to one, i think they need to have a very sense loyalty to very strong sense of loyalty to the country serving. the country they're serving. and i be it. i think that should be it. i think have, for think you cannot have, for example, a government which we just a couple of just talked in a couple of seconds that want seconds that say we want to revive the steel industry, but half servants are half your civil servants are green activists. mean, this green activists. i mean, this would assume would not work. i would assume they are things called the whittaker rules and the whittaker rules and the wh they r whittaker rules and the wh they apply just to the >> they apply not just to the civil servants. they apply to local apply to local government. they apply to most and ambulance service, force and the ambulance service, where politically where you cannot be politically active, i.e. cannot a active, i.e. you cannot put a window up, you cannot window bill up, you cannot campaign, stand for

campaign, you cannot stand for the cannot stand campaign, you cannot stand for the parliament cannot stand campaign, you cannot stand for the parliament canna stand campaign, you cannot stand for the parliament cann a certain campaign, you cannot stand for theigrade.ient canna certain campaign, you cannot stand for theigrade. and canna certain campaign, you cannot stand for theigrade. and certainlyertain campaign, you cannot stand for theigrade. and certainly you n pay grade. and certainly you know, the know, i was working in the council. they come council. they came, they come a point you hit certain point where if you hit a certain point where if you hit a certain point be point you couldn't be politically now, look, politically active. now, look, i don't have people don't want to have people working who working in the civil service who have no worldview all, have have no worldview at all, have no to no perspective or no desire to be i do object to be active. what i do object to is this idea that everybody is so their arms up so they've got their arms up their they're trying their back. they're trying desperately sort of desperately to be sort of wokeist though have wokeist even though and you have this where this ludicrous situation where it to me it actually seems to me they spend time staying spend more time a staying at home coming out with these home and b coming out with these ridiculous, ludicrous little sessions where they sit around and what of and talk about what sort of animal like you animal would you like to be? you know, i'm concerned, know, as far as i'm concerned, as point. and i hate to as a midway point. and i hate to sound think sound moderate, but i think i would to have sound moderate, but i think i would who to have sound moderate, but i think i would who are to have sound moderate, but i think i would who are not to have sound moderate, but i think i would who are not woke le people who are not woke activists, civil servants. i'd like to civil servants who like to have civil servants who are things are actually aware of things and have but you have views and opinions, but you cannot away from the cannot get away from the whittaker it's not ann whittaker clause. it's not ann widdecombe. mr widdecombe. no, no, this was mr justice whittaker. yeah, the laws. be laws. you cannot actually be a pubuc laws. you cannot actually be a public servant and a political activist at the same time, because moment there , because at the moment there, there was having their cake and eat well, are and >> well, they are a bit and a lot of are staying at home lot of them are staying at home as and actually working lot of them are staying at home

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till 930. >> but of the proms , 20 minutes >> but of the proms, 20 minutes after 3:00, it's fast approaching. >> i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. it's time for the clash and now, as rumours swirl of pre—election giveaways, can the tories deliver anything to win back voters? chancellor jeremy hunt is set to be handed a multi—billion pound boost by official forecasts next week. that will pave the way for a package of pre—election tax cuts, but should the conservatives cut inheritance tax or income tax? this is what they've been discussing. so let me welcome again to my head to headis me welcome again to my head to head is former labour mp stephen pound. and also the political theorist and fellow at the mcc budapest ralph schollhammer. right. i'm going to start with you , stephen pound. if they you, stephen pound. if they should cut either of these taxes, which ones would you which taxes, which ones would you whi i 1 taxes, which ones would you whii don't think they should do >> i don't think they should do ehheni >> i don't think they should do either. i think it's ridiculous. i it all. no, no. what

i think it all. no, no. what they if we've they should be doing, if we've got swirling got £10 billion swirling around in let's bulk up in the coffers, let's bulk up the let's do the police force. let's do something nhs. let's something about the nhs. let's do something about armed do something about the armed forces, cut business forces, and let's cut business rates businesses to rates and allow businesses to actually grow and flourish and employ actually grow and flourish and enthey of actually giving in the idea of actually giving it people who it to individual people who may put under the bed, for all we put it under the bed, for all we know is downright silly. for know is downright silly. as for inheritance affects 3% inheritance tax, it affects 3% of the population and the people who receive it. they've not paid tax on it. so you simply wake up one morning you've got one morning and you've got a massive chunk of money. massive great chunk of money. >> you might on it, >> you might not pay tax on it, but died has but the person who's died has paid it. well, they're but the person who's died has paid yeah, it. well, they're but the person who's died has paid yeah, butvell, they're but the person who's died has paid yeah, but that's1ey're but the person who's died has paid yeah, but that's not'e but the person who's died has paid yeah, but that's not the dead. yeah, but that's not the point. to point. i completely object to that. you're dead. you've done all stuff save your kids, all the stuff to save your kids, and now you have to give it away to well, know, first, first >> well, you know, first, first of all, there's a level at which you you know, and you have to pay, you know, and most in most houses in this, except in the south in london, the south east and in london, most be affected by most people won't be affected by any case. >> p- w.- >> well, we say that now, but you know, they the you know, how they keep the levels, it. you know, how they keep the lev1 people it. you know, how they keep the lev1 people are it. you know, how they keep the levipeople are enrolling it. you know, how they keep the levipeople are enrolling into it. >> people are enrolling into it. the tories haven't actually uprated exactly uprated that well. exactly which you they you think they might do if they really wanted it. but the reality think it would reality is i think it would actually bake actually perpetuate and bake in divisions within if

divisions within society. if somebody morning somebody wakes up one morning and multi—millionaire and they are a multi—millionaire through no work, that they will not certainly half millionaire through effort of own, through no effort of their own, just because they happen have through no effort of their own, just b to >> well, that's got nothing to do rich granddad do with it. the rich granddad who's tax. ralph who's died has paid tax. ralph >> i mean, feel we >> yeah. i mean, i feel like we have swap here that the have a body swap here that the british like british politician sounds like karl and the guy with the karl marx and the guy with the german accent sounds like adam smith. >> t n t- t— scottish. >> yeah, well, i think i think in imperial terms in british terms, but i think, i mean, i get the point, but i'm always worried saw this also worried that we saw this also before idea before with the idea of a ministry common sense. ministry of common sense. >> first of all, don't >> um, first of all, i don't think really necessarily >> um, first of all, i don't thinobligationy necessarily >> um, first of all, i don't thinobligationy nthe;sarily >> um, first of all, i don't thinobligationy nthe government >> um, first of all, i don't thimakejationy nthe government >> um, first of all, i don't thimakejatfair/ nthe government >> um, first of all, i don't thimake jatfair society. overnment >> um, first of all, i don't thimakejatfair society. ivernment >> um, first of all, i don't thimakejatfair society. i think ent to make a fair society. i think the of the government to make a fair society. i think th to of the government to make a fair society. i think thto conditions|overnment to make a fair society. i think th to conditions where nent is to create conditions where everybody to everybody can live according to their talents, according their best talents, according to, kind of find their best talents, according to, whatever

have like, no connection whatsoever . it's like two whatsoever. it's like two completely different people that randomly happen to be related, which true, but isn't which might be true, but isn't it the prerogative of the grandfather decide who should grandfather to decide who should have whatever he built have access to whatever he built up life? i mean, up during his life? i mean, these family and family bonds. >> grandfather can do that. >> the grandfather can do that. where the grandfather still where the grandfather is still alive. the alive. there's no reason why the grandfather he grandfather can't do that. he can't offset, he can't make a gift. forget that. you gift. don't forget that. you know, know that of know, and i know that most of the who've this the people who've got this amount of money are pretty sophisticated when it comes to tax so the tax avoidance. and so the reality it's to affect tax avoidance. and so the realitynumber to affect tax avoidance. and so the realitynumber people,ect tax avoidance. and so the realitynumber people, as i a tiny number of people, as i said, of the population will said, 97% of the population will not by not be affected by it. therefore, any money therefore, if there's any money swilling it swilling around, let's give it to police. it to to the police. let's give it to the let's give the armed forces, let's give it to nhs. to the n hs. >> such to the nhs. >> such an un—british >> but that's such an un—british argument, right? >> i would argue british >> i would argue that british liberalism that if liberalism would say that if something unjust, something is unjust, is unjust, the if it the question is not if it affects 3% of the population the question is not if it affecof 3% of the population the question is not if it affecof the )f the population the question is not if it affecof the population, ation the question is not if it affecof the population, then 97% of the population, the policy still because policy is still unjust because by i can say i take, by that logic, i can say i take, you know, the 100 richest people in and i just in britain and ijust nationalise all their own because, it's only 100 because, i mean, it's only 100 people, right? what's the deal? >> the >> because it's all in the cayman so would cayman islands. so what would you you could? no of

you do it if you could? no of course i wouldn't. are course i wouldn't. because are you sure people? i'm sorry, comrade . comrade people. i'm sorry. >> there there it is. >> there we go. there it is. >> there we go. there it is. >> have have >> people have to have aspiration. have >> people have to have asp opportunity have >> people have to have asp opportunity for have >> people have to have asp opportunity for i have >> people have to have asp opportunity for i agree.ve the opportunity for i agree. >> yes, if the value of your house went up and then you lost every of then every penny of it, then that would against aspiration. would be against aspiration. >> you know, >> but i mean, you know, i bought a house about the bought a house for about the price packets of price of a couple of packets of fags 70s, you know, fags back in the 70s, you know, andifs fags back in the 70s, you know, and it's worth silly bunny now. yeah. that's no hard. i've and it's worth silly bunny now. yea worked at's no hard. i've and it's worth silly bunny now. yea worked at's rfor|ard. i've and it's worth silly bunny now. yea worked at's rfor that. 've and it's worth silly bunny now. yea worked at's rfor that. it's not worked hard for that. it's just happened. not worked hard for that. it's just hajthatzd. shows the >> but that just shows that the british government is incompetent when it comes to housing policy. but why would i want even more money to want to give even more money to this government? the thing is, there illusion. i think, there is this illusion. i think, that we try to purport that if only the government would have slightly more money, then everything would get better. i promise let's let's make everything would get better. i pror know, let's let's make everything would get better. i prorknow, ledouble.make everything would get better. i pror know, le double the ke you know, let's double the inheritance problems you know, let's double the inheritihas problems you know, let's double the inheritihas would problems you know, let's double the inheritihas would p go lems you know, let's double the inheritihas would pgo away britain has would not go away with competence with a competency competence problem again problem in government again in europe. and money europe. and in the uk. and money is solution . is not the solution. >> know that we waste billions. >> know that we waste billions. >> know, build >> i mean, you know, we build upgrading hms westminster and then dock, then putting her in dry dock, you know the defence procurement policies wasting billions , policies are wasting billions, there's about that. there's no question about that. but is that if but what i'm saying is that if we have got the money, think we have got the money, i think most people have stopped. we have got the money, i think mostineople have stopped. we have got the money, i think mostineoplstreete stopped. we have got the money, i think mostineoplstreet would stopped. we have got the money, i think mostineoplstreet would say, )ed. him in the street would say, look, law and order, we

look, we need law and order, we need education, we health. need education, we need health. those are the things that affect everybody and everybody in the country. and i'm me a i'm sorry if that makes me a frothing marxist, i'll grow i'm sorry if that makes me a frbeard marxist, i'll grow i'm sorry if that makes me a frbeard and xist, i'll grow i'm sorry if that makes me a frbeard and book i'll grow i'm sorry if that makes me a frbeard and book i'll ginw a beard and book a place in highgate cemetery. >> beard >> can you grow a beard of course grow beard. course i can grow a beard. >> they normally say i have my head on upside down. >> this is this is. head on upside down. >> i'm this is this is. head on upside down. >> i'm not. s is this is. head on upside down. >> i'm not. s is not is. head on upside down. >> i'm not. s is not using >> i'm not. i'm not using brazier. so weird. brazier. but this is so weird. if look the amount of if you look at the amount of money british government if you look at the amount of money gets ritish government if you look at the amount of money gets in sh government if you look at the amount of money gets in sh git'srnment if you look at the amount of money gets in sh git's already already gets in and it's already spending, already gets in and it's already spe provision of law order, the provision of law and order, which core which is kind of the core obugafion which is kind of the core obligation of a government. if we say that britain in 2024 cannot and order cannot provide law and order again, money problem. cannot provide law and order aga a, money problem. cannot provide law and order agaa politics money problem. cannot provide law and order agaa politics problem. problem. cannot provide law and order agawell,itics problem. problem. cannot provide law and order agawell, iics problem. problem. cannot provide law and order agawell, i think)blem. problem. cannot provide law and order agawell, i think)blengot roblem. >> well, i think he's got a point there. no, no, no but point there. but no, no, no but but these these but listen, these these organisations a lot of organisations do have a lot of money. them money. i think a lot of them actually very actually are organised very well. point well. i think that's the point here. you cut here. so what would you cut then? i've got to go to the news. if you could any of news. so if you could cut any of these you cut them these taxes would you cut them yes if so, which i would cut >> and if so, which i would cut both of them for you. >> you. neither them. >> and you. neither of them. neither good. neither of them. good. >> was clash at last. >> that was a clash at last. >> that was a clash at last. >> last, a clash outside. >> at last, a clash outside. a clash of minds going to clash of minds going head to head. more it, head. that's more like it, right? we'll stay with this. loads more to come gb loads more to come here on gb news. gb news. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on online on news live on tv, online and on digital on way.

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whole lot worse tonight. this is the ninth named storm of the season, and what makes this one unique is that it's going to affect the whole of the uk. the met office saying, make sure that everything in your garden is secure and fixed down. the risk from flying debris is very , risk from flying debris is very, very real indeed. avoid coastal paths and avoid rural paths. two the best thing you can do is to stay indoors . us troops have stay indoors. us troops have been injured in a rocket attack in western iraq, which has been claimed by a group affiliated with iran. >> a number of people are being treated for possible traumatic brain injuries from that strike. a group called the islamic resistance in iraq has claimed responsibility for the attack, which is the latest in a series of strikes against us targets in recent weeks . the royal navy's recent weeks. the royal navy's defences are to be boosted with a £405 million funding amid escalating global tensions. missiles that have been used to

defend ships in the red sea will be upgraded, making it the uk's most capable naval air defence system ever developed . and the system ever developed. and the skies above berlin were lit up last night as a rare meteor was spotted. researcher michael a, who managed to capture the moment on camera, told reporters he was just about to take his for dog a walk when a colleague told him to keep his eyes on the sky. it's only the eighth time it's ever been possible to predict the timing of a predict the exact timing of a meteor sighting . that's the meteor sighting. that's the latest from the gb newsroom. for now. for more on those stories, visit our website gb news. com . visit our website gb news. com. uh stay tuned. >> coming up is our money. is your money safe or is our money safe? with keir starmer as labour claim, they don't have plans for any new taxes, but they're all big claims to rebuild britain. do you trust

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news is britain's election . news is britain's election. channel right, it's time for the clash. >> if you just tuned in. welcome on board. i'm nana akua this is gb news. are the people's gb news. we are the people's channel. so speaking at davos earlier this week, labour shadow chancellor rachel reeves insisted that the party has no plans to increase rates of income tax or or to introduce a wealth tax, which makes you wonder how she plans to raise any money at all. oh, let me guess. it'll be from the non—dom tax status , really. but there tax status, really. but there are plans. plans do change, and the party proposes to add levies to private schools. remember that that to me sounds absurd. to reimpose limits on pension savings and to scrap the non—dom status after fuelling fears of wider tax hikes, many are now asking is your money safe? with sir keir starmer ? right. so let sir keir starmer? right. so let me welcome our head to heads. former labour mp stephen pound

and also ralf schumacher . and also ralf schumacher. schollhammer i must call you schumacher . schollhammer i must call you schumacher. i couldn't help myself, but i'm going to start with you, stephen pound, because you're a labour man and i'm wondering are our money safe wondering are is our money safe with labour? come on. the non—dom tax status has been used as an as for about 15 times now. but i'm sorry every single labour policy commitment so far is fully costed and it will not involve any extra tax. >> i was there in 97 when we came we gordon brown, came in. we had gordon brown, the chancellor, for the the iron chancellor, for the first we had first two years. we had this corset tight our corset laced tight across our body politic where we couldn't make any spending commitments. what people say , where's what i'd say people say, where's the to come from? what i'd say people say, where's the tell to come from? what i'd say people say, where's the tell you to come from? what i'd say people say, where's the tell you whereo come from? what i'd say people say, where's the tell you whereo co biggest|? i'll tell you where the biggest amount money from. amount of money is come from. it's capable it's actually being a capable and and not and competent government and not spaffing away millions, if not billions schemes spaffing away millions, if not billicyou schemes spaffing away millions, if not billicyou upgradingnes spaffing away millions, if not billicyou upgrading ships like, you know, upgrading ships and mothballing them. it's and then mothballing them. it's throwing at rwanda and throwing money at rwanda and all these schemes . i these nonsensical schemes. i think actually spend think we could actually spend what but what we've got a lot better. but the thing underlying all of the real thing underlying all of this approaching this is we're approaching a situation now our is situation now where our debt is almost equally our gross national debt national product. the debt overhang in this country so overhang in this country is so catastrophically huge that that

will every single thing will affect every single thing we do. so with the best will in the world, no government, incoming actually incoming or present can actually say, start say, we're going to start slashing when owe slashing taxes when we owe that much because the minute much money, because the minute that actually lose the that we actually lose the ability that and ability to repay that debt and the we're back in liz the interest, we're back in liz truss territory and then god help but but just >> yeah, but but let's just recap on some of the things that the labour plan to do. they're literally robbing peter to pay paul literally robbing peter to pay paul. to, to fund the paul. they're to, to fund the failing system. failing education system. they are planning to take money from the succeeding education system, which is the private side. and to use vat and taxes to tax those who are paying for fees. now come on. >> no, no, you know, what they're doing is removing a situation whereby you and i and every subsidising situation whereby you and i and every who subsidising situation whereby you and i and every who want subsidising situation whereby you and i and every who want to bsidising situation whereby you and i and every who want to sending situation whereby you and i and every who want to send their people who want to send their kids private school kids to private school and perpetuate sending their kids >> people are sending their kids to private school and subsidising are going subsidising people who are going to schools. to other schools. >> so on, this is the >> so come on, this is the thing i can never understand this. people hand, people say, on the one hand, it's tiny number of it's only a tiny number of people to public schools people who go to public schools and therefore. yeah. and on the other are saying, other hand, people are saying, oh, if they all had stopped going schools, they'd going to public schools, they'd all piled into the state. well, going to public schools, they'd all pwould to the state. well, they would do so. >> is it?

they would do so. >> no. is it? they would do so. >> no. if is it? they would do so. >> no. if somebody s it? they would do so. >> no. if somebody ist? they would do so. >> no. if somebody is paying £40,000 a to a £40,000 a year now to send a child school, which is, you child to school, which is, you know, much as costs know, about as much as it costs to in dartmoor to put a person in dartmoor if you're much money, to put a person in dartmoor if you'rif much money, to put a person in dartmoor if you'rif think much money, to put a person in dartmoor if you'rif think it's much money, to put a person in dartmoor if you'rif think it's not:h money, to put a person in dartmoor if you'rif think it's not going|ey, then if you think it's not going to difference. really? >> so 5, that's quite a bit >> so 5, 10, that's quite a bit of money actually. >> huge amount of money. >> it's a huge amount of money. it's that it's the sort of money that i couldn't a million years. couldn't pay in a million years. however, there's no way that i could pay £40,000 to send one of my children to school. you should old paul. should rob peter, old paul. >> what >> it's really wrong. what do you i mean, stephen >> it's really wrong. what do you makes i mean, stephen >> it's really wrong. what do you makes the mean, stephen >> it's really wrong. what do you makes the argument.»hen always makes the argument. >> small number >> it's just a very small number of a very of people. it's just a very small people. i think small number of people. i think that the act of a that is again, the act of a certain again, certain policy. and again, i find this deeply illiberal and also from also problematic from a democracy just also problematic from a denacracy just also problematic from a denacracy only just also problematic from a denacracy only affects just also problematic from a denacracy only affects ajust also problematic from a denacracy only affects a few say a policy only affects a few people but leaves the rest untouched. we do untouched. therefore, we can do it. i'm from a moral perspective. fully perspective. i'm not fully in agreement and agreement with this. and the other you said other thing is, you said it yourself. governments yourself. western governments again, purely again, it's not a purely uk problem. spending problem. have been spending money like drunken sailors on shore 50 shore leave over the last 50 years. and yet they still years. right. and yet they still can't complain all the time. we don't have enough money. we don't have enough money. we don't money. don't have enough money. and i think is on the think the problem is on the spending not on the on spending side and not on the on the revenue side. and as you said much money said it yourself, so much money is ridiculous things.

said it yourself, so much money is then ridiculous things. said it yourself, so much money is then to 'idiculous things. said it yourself, so much money is then to go :ulous things. said it yourself, so much money is then to go because ings. said it yourself, so much money is then to go because we ;. said it yourself, so much money is then to go because we can and then to go because we can discuss but discuss about inequality. but i personally would like to have institutions in every country with a very talented, the very gifted have special educations or special you know, special institutions to further because we have very good evidence from psychology , this idea that's psychology, this idea that's very left. very popular on the left. i don't know your position, steve, but maybe enlighten us but maybe you can enlighten us this that just this idea that if you just put all together all the kids together in one classroom then let's say the classroom and then let's say the academically less talented will will up and those academic , will rise up and those academic, very talented will where very talented will stay where they is not how they are. this is not how it works. of get worse . works. both of them get worse. and britain had. i want a very famous enjoy. famous quote i very much enjoy. i duke of ellington i think the duke of ellington said it, the duke of wellington, that napoleon was on that napoleon was defeated on the playing fields of eton, british one british education has been one of in the world. of the best in the world. i would even that is would even claim that india is in shape at the moment in a good shape at the moment because the british gave them a fantastic system fantastic education system and it the last it has been broken over the last couple for cultural couple of years for cultural reasons, these reasons, for exactly these equality ideas , but lack equality ideas, but not for lack of money. i should say that the german education has german education system has probably been better, if probably been better, that if we broke probably been better, that if we bro yeah, okay. >> yeah, okay. >> yeah, okay. >> but i have to there was

>> but i have to say, there was a when heidelberg was far a time when heidelberg was far better university than oxford or cambridge, but that's not the point. i'm point. look, as far as i'm concerned . well, keeps concerned. well, this this keeps coming your points coming back to is your points are good point. are very, very good point. if we took public took everybody from the public schools around the schools and when i go around the pubuc schools and when i go around the public schools in my constituency it's constituency and i think it's quite interesting, are quite interesting, there are three in ealing three three labour mps in ealing . were privately . two of them were privately educated. exactly. . two of them were privately edlsired. exactly. . two of them were privately edlsired. starmertly. . two of them were privately edlsired. starmer himself . >> sir keir starmer himself. >> sir keir starmer himself. >> but in benefited. no, no but. >> but in benefited. no, no but. >> well he did a bit didn't he. because went was because when he went it was a state school. because when he went it was a stat yes. hool. >> yes. >> yes. >> then it became a grammar >> but then it became a grammar school got funding. school and got funding. >> i what's france, >> i think what's in france, they called ina, they have a thing called ina, the ecole nationale d'administration and virtually, which very sort of which is a very, very sort of cream of the training cream of the crop training school future politicians cream of the crop training schc administrators. liticians cream of the crop training schc administrators. liticia have. cream of the crop training schc thatinistrators. liticia have. cream of the crop training schcthat argument liticiahave. cream of the crop training schcthat argument liticiaibut and that argument works. but it's provided by state. you it's provided by the state. you cannot buy your into ina . cannot buy your way into ina. you cannot buy your way into any of the great universities in austria germany. have austria and germany. you have to go talent. got no go in by talent. i've got no problem with idea having go in by talent. i've got no proelite with idea having go in by talent. i've got no proelite group idea having go in by talent. i've got no proelite group of idea having go in by talent. i've got no proelite group of idea i'd ving an elite group of people. i'd love elite group of love to see an elite group of people. do have problem people. what i do have a problem is private schools, is that these private schools, they're . there's they're like cream. there's people are and thick. people who are rich and thick. >> no. this is >> no no no no no. this is exactly perception that exactly the perception that is wrong. lot these private wrong. a lot of these private schools with

schools are for people with special needs . and special educational needs. and the that's a different the parents, that's a different story. but story. no, no, no different. but they that they will fall under that umbrella. no, they will not. no, no, phillipson has no, they bridget phillipson has specifically excluded them. well, like see that well, well i'd like to see that work. >> i mean i will i will give stephen ground because stephen some ground because i think what what really think what is what has really shifted in the education system. and about this. and we need to talk about this. this this this is of course, at this moment don't moment many institutions don't provide education. they moment many institutions don't provide a education. they moment many institutions don't provide a certificate.. they moment many institutions don't provide a certificate. andy moment many institutions don't provide a certificate. and we pretend that people who get out of that have an education. so it's kind of it's, you know, it's kind of it's, you know, it's a credentialism it's a credentials mill, but is it really think really an education? and i think we very deeply really an education? and i think we what very deeply really an education? and i think we what futurey deeply really an education? and i think we what future education about what a future education looks like. one looks like. and just one thing i believe make this believe to really make this country everybody country work again, everybody who middle school who goes to middle school or high spend at who goes to middle school or high half spend at who goes to middle school or high half year, spend at who goes to middle school or high half year, eitherid at least half a year, either with the forces farmers the armed forces or with farmers , rig or something , or on an oil rig or something like this, like we have we have created and educated class that like this, like we have we have cr< completely ducated class that like this, like we have we have cr< completely ducated c|from hat is completely detached from the rest country. and that's rest of the country. and that's the kind of psychological cultural much cultural inequality is a much bigger problem in my eye than the financial inequality. bigger problem in my eye than the fina we|l inequality. bigger problem in my eye than the fina we decided lity. bigger problem in my eye than the fina we decided litydo exactly that. >> okay. but can we just talk about briefly, you've got about very briefly, you've got about very briefly, you've got about a minute talk about about a minute left, talk about another keir starmer

another one of sir keir starmer policies because this is policies then, because this is the 28 that said the 28 billion that he said that he for green he was going to do for green energy and in fact, energy and jobs. and in fact, he's saying will he's saying that he will do it actually it actually later on. now, how it was that the markets was that policy, the markets were they would were worried that they would be destabilised because of it. >> made that pledge before we >> he made that pledge before we had disastrous kwasi had the disastrous kwasi kwarteng budget, which kwarteng liz truss budget, which actually virtually destroyed our international that was no, international so that was no, no, no. but at time no, no. but at that time we could could have could have we could have borrowed we can't. borrowed money. then we can't. >> a minute. >> now, wait a minute. if you made and made that policy before and you're liz truss and you're blaming liz truss and kwasi that's damn kwasi kwarteng, that's damn right. hold he still held on right. hold on. he still held on to that policy. no, no . to that policy. no, no. >> and he extended the time frame . that's what had to do. frame. that's what he had to do. >> , you can't be blaming so. >> no, you can't be blaming so. well because somebody else did it. there's nothing it. no sorry. there's nothing wrong with borrowing money. >> borrowed to money >> i mean, i borrowed to money buy a house. we borrow money, you a mortgage you know, we you get a mortgage is borrowing there's is borrowing money. there's nothing wrong with that. but the thing is, our international competitiveness, thing is, our international competitiandess, and moody's standard and poor's and moody's and absolutely and people, was absolutely trashed by that brief interregnum truss . so interregnum with liz truss. so that's reason why it now that's the reason why it now costs to borrow money. costs more to borrow money. >> what about the >> one more then what about the fact there was that note fact that there was that note that there's money that said there's no money left when took when the conservative party took

up office? sorry. just when the conservative party took u|quck e? sorry. just when the conservative party took u|quck one. sorry. just a quick one. >> 1964 the outgoing chancellor of the exchequer left a note for jim callaghan and said, jim callaghan coming and said, sorry, friend, there's no sorry, old friend, there's no money left. every single first was joke. every single one. it money left. every single first was only:e. every single one. it money left. every single first was only when�*ry single one. it money left. every single first was only when richard,�* one. it money left. every single first was only when richard, what's: was only when richard, what's his laws. the first david his name? laws. the first david laws came in. was the laws came in. who was the liberal? first time he'd done it? he said, oh gosh, i'm not going to take joke. going going to take a joke. i'm going to leak it every to actually try to leak it every single of single chancellor of the exchequer, secretary exchequer, first secretary of the tory exchequer, first secretary of the always tory exchequer, first secretary of the always that tory exchequer, first secretary of the always that note)ry exchequer, first secretary of the always that note for have always left that note for each they usually each other, and they usually leave bottle champagne leave a bottle of champagne as well. in—joke, it's well. it's an in—joke, and it's only flipping, only the flipping, self—justifying, little self—justifying, pompous little self—justifying, pompous little self narcissist self opinionated narcissist liberals . actually decided liberals who. actually decided to make fun of it. >> there's not. it's not a joke, though, is it? it's not a joke. it's not funny. especially when there they there was no money left. they were absolutely right. there's there was no money left. they wejoke solutely right. there's there was no money left. they wejoke whenly right. there's there was no money left. they wejoke whenly ri say there's there was no money left. they wejoke whenly ri say there's; there was no money left. they wejoke whenly ri say there's no no joke when you say there's no money there isn't. money left and there isn't. well, it's not a i well, listen, it's not a joke i would a that reggie >> it's a joke that reggie maudling made. >> says they >> okay, so linda says they should increase tax should increase the tax threshold. when threshold. it was criminal when they okay. john they froze it. okay okay. john says course starmer says nana of course keir starmer will the eu . will take us back into the eu. of course won't be called of course it won't be called rejoining , of course it won't be called rejoining, but probably a european deal or

european cooperation deal or something like that. something deceitful like that. and then ted on brexit says brexit isn't safe with any politician and especially with khan and elizabeth says hunt should abolish inheritance tax because besides being a cruel and unfair tax, it is the greatest brake on ambition and incentive. i would say that's true. why bother earning loads of great stuff and buying stuff when you have to give it away? don't have in taxes? you do and a lot of people falling into a lot of people are falling into the but right the threshold. but right now, let's can't let's do this story. we can't let's do this story. we can't let it the bbc have let it go. the bbc have identified cases. let's let it go. the bbc have ide agree cases. let's let it go. the bbc have ide agree on cases. let's let it go. the bbc have ide agree on this cases. let's let it go. the bbc have ide agree on this one.ses. let's let it go. the bbc have ide agree on this one. seriouss all agree on this one. serious editorial . following editorial malpractice. following the a new the introduction of a new internal whistleblowing policy. this means the corporation has found itself in breach of its own editorial standards, even after dedicated a team of after having dedicated a team of . 49 at the cost of £2.7 million. deployed to help tackle disinformation . so are the bbc disinformation. so are the bbc in any position to counter disinformation? and let's remind us of the misinformation or the hamas bomb that they called. was that one of their journalists

said that there's no doubt that it was an israeli bomb. i'll go to you, ralph. >> yeah. i mean, as a foreigner, i'm not sure if i'm really in a position criticise bbc. position to criticise the bbc. go for it. which go on, go on, go for it. which has historically, i think played a important role, a very, very important role, particularly my country. particularly also in my country. >> it goes back what we >> but it goes back to what we talked previously about talked about previously about activism servants. activism of public servants. right many i think right in many ways, i think there too many activists there are too many activists within the bbc and there is this idea, again, pervasive over idea, again, pervasive all over the west, everything i'm the west, that everything i'm exaggerating slightly, but it's called right? called the clash, right? that everything centre is so everything right of centre is so fascism and nazi adjacent that every means necessary to, you know, to prevent them from getting a foothold in the public imagination. the public opinion is justified. and of course, i think you see this with the bbc as that as well. and that is particularly for a publicly funded broadcaster . i particularly for a publicly funded broadcaster. i think particularly for a publicly funded broadcaster . i think that funded broadcaster. i think that is problematic. supposed to is problematic. it's supposed to report, supposed inform. report, it's supposed to inform. it's i mean, if the it's not really i mean, if the if opinion piece is fine, but it's be an it's not supposed to be an outlet and is it's not supposed to be an 0|little and is it's not supposed to be an 0|little bit, and is it's not supposed to be an 0|little bit, i and is it's not supposed to be an 0|little bit, i think, and is it's not supposed to be an 0|little bit, i think, what is it's not supposed to be an 0|little bit, i think, what it is a little bit, i think, what it is, i'm not a great conspiracy theorist, i have a theory, theorist, but i have a theory, i think that gb news have actually inserted some sleepers within to

the destroy it the bbc, actually destroy it from within, because it seems every flipping day does every flipping day the bbc does something so people like, oh, hold on a minute, they don't need our help. >> it need our help. okay. >> well although they're doing it. saying like it. what i'm saying people like myself slightly myself who have a slightly sentimental, know, of sentimental, you know, sort of lord reith, educate, inform and amuse, , they think they amuse, you know, they think they like the idea having state like the idea of having a state broadcast. they quite the broadcast. they quite like the idea. is becoming idea. but every day is becoming harder harder justify harder and harder to justify a being required to pay being legally required to pay the and b listen to a the money and b to listen to a bunch wimps waffling on, you bunch of wimps waffling on, you know, about this, and they're hoist on their own petard here because they spent millions of pounds having their own investigation , they've investigation, and they've discovered some grievous, egregious cases of misinformation. you know, do misinformation. so you know, do i lie awake at nights weeping for the bbc? not anymore, i don't. i just think it's going to and now we have so to change. and now we have so many different broadcasting platforms. day is dead. broadcaster day is dead. >> it would seem to be the way thatis >> it would seem to be the way that is the way, isn't it, that a lot of people aren't to prepared pay a compulsory licence fee? really? because if you don't pay it, you get a telephone counter you have

telephone counter that you have to pay for that. >> which one? german television is it's very similar. it's >> no, it's very similar. it's similar with the bbc. yeah, yeah. >> so it's not a subscription based. they have >> and they have, they have massive can massive powers. right. they can literally look into bank account. >> e they have >> so in america they have a different situation you different situation whereby you there's no requirement to buy a licence you want to listen to licence if you want to listen to pubuc licence if you want to listen to public broadcasting, then you can in, which is i can actually opt in, which is i think not idea . think it's not a bad idea. >> interesting. yeah. in >> interesting. yeah. so in germany they do have something like it's the same. like the bbc and it's the same. >> it's the same debate over there have here there that we have over here because this, because there's, there's this, this that there is kind this sense that there is a kind of certain within of certain bias within the pubuc public broadcaster. and of course, make course, people say if you make fun of 50% of the population, then you then that's fine. but why do you have have to pay for have why do they have to pay for it? it? it? pay for it? >> interesting stuff. well, listen, thoughts? listen, what are your thoughts? gb that news.com or get gb views that gb news.com or get in gb news. listen on in touch at gb news. listen on the way i have my monologue. if you just tuned in. welcome on board. it'sjust you just tuned in. welcome on board. it's just coming you just tuned in. welcome on board. it'sjust coming up you just tuned in. welcome on board. it's just coming up to 54 minutes after 3:00. my monologue . it's on harry meghan's . it's on harry and meghan's wedding celloist he has been wedding celloist now he has been making comments last night making comments about last night of the proms. basically, he can't bear the song rule britannia! so he sits it out,

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and avoid rural paths too. the best thing you can do is to stay indoors , and if you're nervous indoors, and if you're nervous about flying, you might want to look away. >> flights coming in to london's heathrow airport are experiencing some shaky landings . the windy conditions are creating some frightening conditions for passengers , with conditions for passengers, with several flights spotted looking unsteady as they descended into britain's main airport. labour says the government's rwanda plan won't act as a deterrent to migrants entering britain illegally. speaking to gb news presenter camilla tominey shadow immigration minister stephen kinnock said tackling the crisis depends upon international cooperation on. >> there's no way that shipping, perhaps 1% of the number of people that come across the channel on small boats to rwanda is ever going to act as a deterrent. you're dealing with people who are fleeing violence and persecution by stopping, wasting so much time on rwanda, which is just a gimmick that is

doomed to failure . let's plough doomed to failure. let's plough much more resource and time and energy into doing some of the things that have worked, like the albania deal. we fully support deal. how support the albania deal. how many worked as a many other that has worked as a deterrent? there's been an explosion at a major gas terminal in the baltic sea near russia in a suspected drone strike from ukraine. >> firefighters are battling flames at the site after reports from ukrainian media suggest a special operation was carried out by security services , as out by security services, as ukraine's government hasn't claimed responsibility. novatek is russia's largest natural gas producer . it's now been forced producer. it's now been forced to stop operations at the scene . to stop operations at the scene. us troops have been injured in a rocket attack in western iraq, which was claimed by a group affiliated with iran . an affiliated with iran. an unspecified number of people are undergoing evaluation for possible traumatic brain injuries. a group called the islamic resistance in iraq claimed responsibility for the attack, which is the latest in a series of strikes against us targets in recent weeks . it

targets in recent weeks. it marks another escalation amid heightened tensions in the region following the outbreak of the israel—gaza conflict . the the israel—gaza conflict. the royal navy's defences are to be boosted . with £405 million of boosted. with £405 million of funding amid escalating global tensions. missiles that have been used to defend ships in the red sea will be upgraded, making it the uk's most capable naval air defence system ever developed . defence secretary developed. defence secretary grant shapps told gb news that britain is taking a lead. >> we're . investing >> we're. investing £288,000,000,000 billion over the next decade to make sure that we do pump more money into our military, into our equipment and that we can safely defend ourselves and britain's leading the way. as i said in ukraine. but actually also this week, i announced an operation in europe called steadfast defender , which called steadfast defender, which is a nato operation at which the united kingdom is providing 40% of the ground troops and 50% of

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hypocrite sheku kanneh—mason, who became famous performing at the last night of the proms aged just 19. despite the fact that the show gave him a platform many moons ago, he's now saying this about the song . i don't this about the song. i don't think it should be included and i didn't stay for that . that's i didn't stay for that. that's just my opinion . i didn't stay for that. that's just my opinion. i think i didn't stay for that. that's just my opinion . i think maybe just my opinion. i think maybe some people don't realise how uncomfortable a song like that can make a lot of people feel. even if it makes them feel good. really but you're quite happy to fly on the coattails of the show, which you would have known would when you went to play there. i actually had the song, which is a tradition every year. if you felt that strongly about it, why did you go on the programme in the first place? oh, i get it. we all do. oh, right. i get it. we all do. you're a complete hypocrite. but that's my opinion on air. that's just my opinion on air. i mean, some people don't realise how uncomfortable . how pathetic how uncomfortable. how pathetic is that? i'm sorry , but this is is that? i'm sorry, but this is somebody who owes his fame for taking part in the show the last

night at the proms or of the proms is everything about being british singing rule britannia and the subsequent flag waving is tradition. you can't get more british than that, although no one year the corporation, the bbc, was so entrenched in their wokery that they were planning to remove the lyrics . the last to remove the lyrics. the last night the proms has been night of the proms has been running the for god knows running on the bbc for god knows how long. i'm fed up with heanng how long. i'm fed up with hearing from people on the bias broadcasting corporation, whose plethora stars pour out their plethora of stars pour out their woke agenda whilst happily supping from the very generous bbc cup paid for by us, the licence fee payer. this is the same bbc, by the way , who it has same bbc, by the way, who it has been uncovered through a freedom of information act, has spent £2.7 million of our money on a 49 strong bbc verify department, countering misinformation , and countering misinformation, and then brought us this from correspondent jon donnison . correspondent jon donnison. >> you know, it is hard to see what else this could be really, given the size of the explosion other than an israeli airstrike

or . several airstrikes. or. several airstrikes. >> uh, because , you know, when >> uh, because, you know, when we've seen rockets being fired out of gaza, we never see explosions of that scale. we might see, uh, half a dozen , might see, uh, half a dozen, maybe a few more people being killed in such rocket attacks . killed in such rocket attacks. but we've never seen anything on the scale of the sort of explosion on the video i was watching earlier. >> yeah, really ? well, here is >> yeah, really? well, here is jeremy bowen, bbc international edhon jeremy bowen, bbc international editor, explaining how they got the information about the hamas bomb, by the way, that landed near the hospital . completely near the hospital. completely wrong. where were you getting your information and do you regret anything that you said that night? >> so it broke in, i suppose mid evening . evening. >> and to answer your question, no, i don't regret one thing in my reporting because i think i think i was measured throughout . think i was measured throughout. >> i didn't race to judgement. >> i didn't race to judgement. >> but you said that building had been flattened . had been flattened. >> oh yeah. well, i got that wrong because was at

wrong because i was looking at the pictures and what i could see was , was a square that see was, was a square that appeared to be flaming on all sides . sides. >> and there was a, you know, sort of a void in the middle. >> and it was i think it was a picture taken from a drone. >> eamonn. and so , you know, we >> eamonn. and so, you know, we have to piece together what we see. and i thought, well , that see. and i thought, well, that looks like the whole building's gone. and that was my conclusion from looking at the pictures. and i was wrong that . and i was wrong on that. >> but i don't feel >> um, but i don't feel particularly bad about that , really. >> i couldn't resist bringing that up after a piece in the telegraph today, but you couldn't make it up. sheku talked about his experience about being a young black classical musician and artist, and he said very often in the spaces that i was in, within classical music myself and my family were very often the only black people in those spaces. he said that most of the time it was fine , but often he wasn't

was fine, but often he wasn't necessarily taken seriously. in some situations . oh please bring some situations. oh please bring out the violins. some situations. oh please bring out the violins . oh, sorry. you out the violins. oh, sorry. you played the cello . honestly. played the cello. honestly. look, dude, i'm twice your age, and i think me and my family were the only black people in newcastle . we were like newcastle. we were like a novelty. i loved it, that's life. get over yourself. every country has a history. some good, some bad. but on balance, the empire , in my view, was a the empire, in my view, was a very good thing. and people like sheku have benefited and in sheku have benefited and are in no to on a soapbox no place to stand on a soapbox of principle while still suckling we suckling on its fruit. here we go guys. rule britannia! britain rule the waves . britain never , rule the waves. britain never, neven rule the waves. britain never, never, never shall be slaves . never, never shall be slaves. >> hey, he who searches for a mule without a fault shall walk . mule without a fault shall walk. >> right before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour.

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again to my panel broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. and also broadcaster and author christine hamilton . right. i'm christine hamilton. right. i'm going to start with you, danny kelly. who do you think did you what do you think of that? >> well, you know, you cherry picked some of his stuff there. >> so perfectly. and this is this is embodiment of what's this is the embodiment of what's wrong society. this is the embodiment of what's wroand society. this is the embodiment of what's wroand i'm society. this is the embodiment of what's wroand i'm going'. this is the embodiment of what's wroand i'm going to quote this >> and i'm going to quote this young maybe some young lad, i think maybe some people don't realise how uncomfortable that uncomfortable a song like that can people feel, can make a lot of people feel, even if it makes them feel good. you out, you are right to pick that out, nana, because that encapsulates what's at the what's wrong with society at the moment. first of all, he shouldn't feel uncomfortable moment. first of all, he shoul(it.: feel uncomfortable moment. first of all, he shoul(it. no,l uncomfortable moment. first of all, he shoul(it. no, and:omfortable moment. first of all, he shoul(it. no, and i�*mfortable moment. first of all, he shoul(it. no, and i don'table about it. no, and i don't believe him. i just think he's on a soapbox and i think he's just along social just going along on this social crusade. it crusade. i don't believe it makes uncomfortable. crusade. i don't believe it makthat uncomfortable. crusade. i don't believe it makthat aside, uncomfortable. crusade. i don't believe it makthat aside, whyomfortable. crusade. i don't believe it makthat aside, why shouldible. crusade. i don't believe it makthat aside, why should the but that aside, why should the vast majority of people who enjoy stop singing enjoy singing it stop singing it? at the last night of the proms, all because of a titchy tiny minority. whether it's a titchy tiny minority of black musicians who don't want to hear it, or whether it's a tiny, tiny minority of another social group away from music, well , of away from music, well, of course, that it's just

course, he says that it's just his just it out. >> so he's not saying that it shouldn't be played. i mean, i've heard him say that, but it just gets me when people i've heard him say that, but it just have gets me when people i've heard him say that, but it just have benefited when people i've heard him say that, but it just have benefited from people i've heard him say that, but it just have benefited from from le who have benefited from from what empire or what they're calling empire or even show itself last night even the show itself last night of proms, is where he of the proms, this is where he made his sort of debut, and people heard him. and because of that, he has gone from that, he has gone on from strength strength. strength to strength. and that song has been every time. song has been played every time. christine this fellow, he may or may not be hypocrite, but what he is pig ignorant because rule , he is pig ignorant because rule, rule. he's not here to defend himself. so i'll say that. >> i'll explain he's >> well, i'll explain why he's pig >> well, i'll explain why he's pig ignorant and people do not understand britannia is. >> not. it's is. >> it is not. it's not exalting, you know. >> come on, britain, we're ruling waves and we know ruling the waves and we know we'll be slaves. it is we'll never be slaves. it is exalting people. exalting the british people. it was penned in 1740 to celebrate the accession of george the first. and it was. we'd had cromwell standing army cromwell and the standing army and all that, and it was exhorting british people to exhorting the british people to come rise up. come on, rise up. >> the old >> let's get the good old british back. >> let's get the good old britand back. >> let's get the good old britand the back. >> let's get the good old britand the clue(. >> let's get the good old britand the clue is in the comma. >> and the clue is in the comma. it's rule comma britannia, and then it's britannia to rule the

waves, not britannia rules the waves. >> it's britannia . >> it's britannia. >> it's britannia. >> come on britannia, rule the waves exulting in the channel, etc. it's people do not understand what it's about. >> it's. it's a very patriotic song. >> it has nothing to do with slavery or whatever. >> a guy might think it has to do with. that's not what it is at all. that's why i say he is pig at all. that's why i say he is pig ignorant. but i know he's not here to defend. >> but the word slave that >> but it's the word slave that he takes objection to. >> we're saying that we're he takes objection to. >> goingz're saying that we're he takes objection to. >> going toe saying that we're he takes objection to. >> going to be ying that we're he takes objection to. >> going to be slaves. at we're not going to be slaves. >> i understand point. >> i understand your point. i agree he would agree with you. but he would argue it's the word slave argue that it's the word slave shall never be slaves. yes. okay. he comes from an okay. because he comes from an african where people african heritage where people were stolen and sold to. well, no, stolen. no, no, no, they weren't stolen. >> trade. let's just no, no, no, they weren't stolen. >> that. trade. let's just no, no, no, they weren't stolen. >> that. firstade. let's just no, no, no, they weren't stolen. >> that. first ofa. let's just no, no, no, they weren't stolen. >> that. first of all, t's just no, no, no, they weren't stolen. >> that. first of all, they st get that. first of all, they understand may have been understand some may have been stolen they were always stolen because they were always bad but was trade. bad people, but it was a trade. >> didn't voluntarily . >> they didn't go voluntarily. >> they didn't go voluntarily. >> no, no, no, it was a >> no, no no, no, it was a trade. sold. trade. they were sold. so the africans their own people africans sold their own people to become slaves. >> people were stolen from their villages , on ships. >> people were stolen from their villyeah, on ships. >> people were stolen from their villyeah, but on ships. >> people were stolen from their villyeah, but but ships. >> people were stolen from their villyeah, but but not s. >> people were stolen from their villyeah, but but not by the. not >> yeah, but but not by the. not by the british, not by the white people. africans who people. it was the africans who

rounded to rounded up their people to become slaves sold them. it rounded up their people to becca|e slaves sold them. it rounded up their people to becca legitimate sold them. it rounded up their people to becca legitimate trade.i them. it rounded up their people to becca legitimate trade. so em. it rounded up their people to becca legitimate trade. so thatit was a legitimate trade. so that would been allowed. would have been allowed. although good although it's not a good trade, it's if it's a bad, i would argue, if you're forced your you're forced away from your village, that's that's theft. >> yes. village, that's that's theft. >> but your own people, it's >> but by your own people, it's not the british. >> things stolen . >> you can have things stolen. >> you can have things stolen. >> yeah. no, no, but but what? >> you can have things stolen. >> point no, no, but but what? >> you can have things stolen. >> point is), no, but but what? >> you can have things stolen. >> point is that. but but what? >> you can have things stolen. >> point is that the! but what? >> you can have things stolen. >> point is that the british1at? my point is that the british didn't right, didn't come in and say, right, all these people what? didn't come in and say, right, alwasese people what? didn't come in and say, right, alwasese thereyple what? didn't come in and say, right, alwasese there were what? didn't come in and say, right, alwasese there were black t? it was where there were black owned slave businesses. that's correct. sold there the correct. and they sold there the black the white slave traders. >> i agree. and the ship sailed from . the liverpool's from liverpool. the liverpool's part triangle . yeah. >> all that is all well and good, but it has nothing to do with rule britannia. yes but this is the point. >> it has nothing to do with what discussing . what we're discussing. >> well, argue that >> well, he might argue that it's trade point is it's the whole trade point is his the. he is the army his point is the. he is the army going out and you know, he needs to go back to his history. >> he to look up when >> he needs to look up when the song was written, was song was written, what it was all and it is saying, all about, and it is saying, come on, britain, get off your knees. >> out there. not be slaves. >> but he would have had that explained him. doesn't explained to him. but he doesn't agree interpreted . agree with that interpreted. >> he doesn't want. >> he doesn't want. >> he's ignorant, then he >> if he's not ignorant, then he just know. just doesn't want to know. >> the bbc also do

>> well, the bbc also do remember. was in 2020 remember. i think it was in 2020 when they were having the whole discussion about the actual lyrics and they were going to play lyrics and they were going to play the song without the lyrics, didn't offend lyrics, so it didn't offend people, which think people, sorry. which i think is absurd. that's a wonderful absurd. yeah, that's a wonderful patriotic and if anybody patriotic song. and if anybody doubts any listener viewer doubts it, any listener viewer doubts it, any listener viewer doubts it. >> go and look up the words, read them and does that have anything to do with enslave other people? no, it's come on britain , you can do this. britain, you can do this. >> and anyway, what's with >> and anyway, what's wrong with saying should be saying that you should never be slaves? there's slaves? i don't think there's anything that. you anything wrong with that. i, you know, british. say i'll know, i'm british. i say i'll never slave if i have had never be a slave if i have had ever been a slave in my past ancestral life, i would have been a bad one. you'd have been a to it. i'd be like, been a bad one. you'd have been a going to it. i'd be like, been a bad one. you'd have been a going to send. i'd be like, been a bad one. you'd have been a going to send you be like, been a bad one. you'd have been a going to send you back. e, been a bad one. you'd have been a theyg to send you back. e, been a bad one. you'd have been a theyg to se have u back. e, been a bad one. you'd have been a theyg to se have sent:k. e, been a bad one. you'd have been a theyg to se have sent you. back. >> we can't. we don't want this one. this one? no well, what do you think? gb news tbd.com. it's just coming up to 18 minutes after this is gp news. we after 4:00. this is gp news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana live on tv, nana akua. we're live on tv, onune nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. coming it's world view will coming up, it's world view will be to los angeles be crossing live to los angeles and latest from what's

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have you been. well you've missed almost half the show. no sorry it's 21 minutes. i don't bite, not without good reason. bite, not without a good reason. it's 22 minutes bite, not without a good reason. it's 4:00. 22 minutes bite, not without a good reason. it's 4:00. this 22 minutes bite, not without a good reason. it's 4:00. this is22 minutes bite, not without a good reason. it's 4:00. this is gb ninutes bite, not without a good reason. it's 4:00. this is gb news.; bite, not without a good reason. it's 4:00. this is gb news. i'm after 4:00. this is gb news. i'm nana akua . we are live on tv, nana akua. we are live on tv, onune nana akua. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. now. before we went for a break, i asked you because i was talking about this shecky guy who didn't like the song rule britannia. um, even though he was of the proms. was at last night of the proms. and that's where he made his name. um but david says, what would as an would he suggest as an alternative? david? i think he suggested a folk song. he did? yes. his own yes. and then he, in his own words, it wouldn't be words, said that it wouldn't be that that probably that popular, so that probably wouldn't me. then wouldn't work for me. and then stephen says, please read out the verses . it has nothing to do the verses. it has nothing to do with slavery . rather with glorifying slavery. rather the about the opposite. it is about resisting tyranny and protecting freedom. exactly as christine said. right, stephen, said. you are right, stephen, sean says, absolutely wonderful. let's rule britannia, let's sing rule britannia, britannia! chance we get. britannia! every chance we get. i almost said britannia . i almost said britannia. remember those encyclopaedias and salespeople that used and those salespeople that used to come your sell to come to your house to sell them? we had load of them. and them? we had a load of them. and then ron says, brilliant start . then ron says, brilliant start. loved the song. you clearly loved the sing song. you clearly get wisdom from your mum.

get your wisdom from your mum. mum, hear that? mum, did you hear that? rule britannia our national britannia should be our national anthem. it's a celebration of the greatness of the british people. jules says, people. and julie, jules says, does know about the does this boy know about the thousands of sailors who died trying the slave trade? trying to stop the slave trade? well, exactly . that's history well, exactly. that's history for thank you much. keep for you. thank you so much. keep them coming. vaiews@gbnews.com. but now it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm for war i'm asking, are we ready for war now? a top nato military official has warned that civilians must prepare for an all out war with russia in the next 20 years. now, this , of next 20 years. now, this, of course, comes as america and the european generals fear that the uk is no longer for a top level fighting force , as it's been fighting force, as it's been reported that the army will have fewer than 70,000 soldiers. i think that they said soon they'll only be about 50,000, and within two years. so and that's within two years. so what think for the great what do you think for the great british hour, i'm british debate this hour, i'm asking, we ready for war? asking, are we ready for war? well, me is well, joining me now is political theorist at political theorist and fellow at the mcc budapest, ralph schollhammer, former labour mp stephen former special stephen pound, former special adviser to michael gove charlie rowley and former head of

counter—terrorism and the mod chip . chip, i'm going to chip chapman. chip, i'm going to start with you, chip. are we ready for war? >> well, first question you need to ask is what's our fight tonight? >> night capability against whom and where. so is russia prepared for war against us and is it going to go to war with us now? now, patently the answer to that is no, because 90% 322 capability has been degraded. the where is probably most likely in the baltic . oh oh, likely in the baltic. oh oh, i thought you there you go. >> he's gone. he's gone. well that's that's all right because we've got charlie. i'm going to go for charlie rowley. now, you're a former special adviser to michael charlie rowley. you're a former special adviser to i\we|ael charlie rowley. you're a former special adviser to i\we ready charlie rowley. you're a former special adviser to i\we ready for charlie rowley. you're a former special adviser to i\we ready for war?lie rowley. are we ready for war? >> well, thanks very much . i >> well, thanks very much. i mean, you talked about the figures top the figures at the top there, the number forces in terms number of armed forces in terms of boots on the of personnel, boots on the ground , coming from 70,000 to ground, coming from 70,000 to about think. look, about 50,000, i think. look, there is still for boots there is still a role for boots on ground clearly to be on the ground clearly to be made. seeing that in made. we're seeing that in ukraine. that when ukraine. we're seeing that when you're the fight to the you're taking the fight to the houthis. the question houthis. but the question is, what are we going

what kind of war are we going to be facing when it comes to intelligence, when comes to intelligence, when it comes to our technology, when it comes to disinformation? our technology, when it comes to disinf0|probably better equipped we are probably better equipped than it's than than most. so it's a question about kind war question about what kind of war you going to be you think we're going to be facing, it's one that's facing, whether it's one that's going dealt with, going to be dealt with, intelligence technology intelligence and technology versus boots on versus the numbers of boots on the ground . the ground. >> it's interesting, though, that mentioned other people that you mentioned other people because you chip , because people, you know, chip, chip was saying that the others aren't ready , you're saying aren't ready, and you're saying that than that we're better equipped than most comparing most. can we really be comparing ourselves others when we need ourselves to others when we need to focusing whether we to be, focusing on whether we can actually do this or not? ralph schollhammer, what you think? well, would country >> well, i would say a country that whether or that has to discuss whether or not sing rule britannia not you can sing rule britannia is prepared any kind of is not prepared for any kind of war. it's, i think, very straightforward . uh, we straightforward. uh, we know that in britain, the that even in great britain, the recruitment not met. recruitment numbers are not met. there's a serious problem. all over people over the west. people are no longer willing die fight longer willing to die and fight for country . and just as for their country. and just as a reminder, everyone thinks reminder, what everyone thinks about russia in general, i remember very clearly that two years ago we were that the years ago we were told that the russian the russian war russian economy, the russian war machine, collapse machine, is going to collapse within couple of weeks. machine, is going to collapse with now couple of weeks. machine, is going to collapse with now of couple of weeks. machine, is going to collapse with now of a)uple of weeks. machine, is going to collapse with now of a sudden weeks. machine, is going to collapse with now of a sudden we talk and now all of a sudden we talk about with about the 20 years war with

russia. somebody wrong russia. so somebody was wrong at some think we need some point. and i think we need to take a hard, cold look into the good point, >> that's a good point, actually. chip actually. i mean, it's chip banks. i want to bring him back in, oh, you in, but actually. oh, here you are. you just noticed, are. did you i just noticed, noted point that noted ralph's point there, that a people saying that a lot of people were saying that about russia. um, about other things. they that ruble things. they said that the ruble would it didn't would crumble, and yet it didn't in this current war, no one saw has really said that. >> and if russia believes this to be an essential war for the russky mir, the russian world, then they'll continue to fight until till that time. russia does have problems . it won't be does have problems. it won't be able to expand its war, uh, to other countries. the baltics or poland until it is successful and can regenerate both its personnel and equipment. so russia is unlikely to do that in a conventional sense for the next 5 to 10 years. >> that doesn't mean it wouldn't use hybrid operations means including deception , propaganda, including deception, propaganda, subversion , using, uh, you know, subversion, using, uh, you know, complete idiots to try and subvert the western system. and we see that through the use of propaganda the social media

propaganda in the social media sphere. >> but russia isn't the only worry for i mean, we've got worry for us. i mean, we've got all stuff that's going on all the stuff that's going on with houthis and iran. with the houthis and iran. steve, stephen pound yeah. >> are 90,000 people steve, stephen pound yeah. >>prison are 90,000 people steve, stephen pound yeah. >>prison in are 90,000 people steve, stephen pound yeah. >>prison in england)0,000 people steve, stephen pound yeah. >>prison in england and )0 people steve, stephen pound yeah. >>prison in england and wales.)le in prison in england and wales. the entire strength of the royal navy, the entire strength is just about 30,000. i'm sorry. i don't care what you say. we cannot re—equip and re—up in time. that we could . don't time. that we could. don't forget 1937, 38, 39. rearmament was considered to be terrible was considered to be a terrible thing. there was actually by elections against rearmament, and increase the and we managed to increase the military capability very quickly. we can't do that nowadays. what we have to do is prepare for war, but pray for peace. >> because we were even talking about we have the about we didn't have the personnel on to the new personnel to go on to the new ships we'd we'd built so ships that we'd we'd built so that she's been that the type 45, she's been mothballed before she's been launched. um, what's launched. charlie um, what's your view, then? because we didn't have enough people to personnel for the ships. um, we're to recruit people we're starting to recruit people to join the army itself . if the to join the army itself. if the numbers coming down. and numbers are coming down. and evenif numbers are coming down. and even if, as you said , the war even if, as you said, the war type of war has changed and it's

not necessarily boots on the ground, we still do need personnel. you've seen personnel. i mean, you've seen the currently the wars that are currently happening , in gaza happening and, you know, in gaza and russia, lots of people are people are needed . people are needed. >> and, well, you're absolutely right. i mean, the risk that, um, i think people are talking aboutis um, i think people are talking about is the kind of war that, again, you're sort again, that you're sort of seeing russia, of seeing in russia, in terms of ukraine and you're seeing seeing in russia, in terms of uktermsand you're seeing seeing in russia, in terms of uktermsand houthiyou're seeing seeing in russia, in terms of uktermsand houthi on�*re seeing seeing in russia, in terms of uktermsand houthi on the eeing in terms of houthi on the ground, have ground, if you have our opponents uh, got opponents who have, uh, not got the got the technology or haven't got the technology or haven't got the resource, have the the resource, but do have the numbers, and does become numbers, and if it does become about numbers game, about a numbers of game, if it does combat does become, you know, combat between man and woman to woman on of course, on the ground, then of course, the be, uh, not as the uk would be, uh, not as advanced as some of our, uh, our opponents , but it's the hopeful, opponents, but it's the hopeful, uh, as kind of what stephen was saying, the praying for peace. but the hopeful , uh, step that but the hopeful, uh, step that we would take is that we would join forces with our allies like us, australia that , us, like australia through that, the five eyes, through the acas group that we've just announced, a a few months ago, i think a few a few months ago, i think back end of last year. so you would hope that would be would hope that there would be lots of coalitions to defend the

opponents, there does opponents, where there does seem to dividing society between to be a dividing society between the the east. but you the west and the east. but you can only hope that that might be the direction of travel. if you can at all that there'd be can hope at all that there'd be hope at hope that there's no conflict at all. was going to hope that there's no conflict at alla was going to hope that there's no conflict at alla conflict, was going to hope that there's no conflict at alla conflict, you'd going to hope that there's no conflict at alla conflict, you'd hope; to hope that there's no conflict at alla conflict, you'd hope that be a conflict, you'd hope that those be the dividing those would be the dividing lines. to your lines. in order to support your your western your your western allies and your partners. it partners. but i do think it still to the fact still comes down to the fact that and the that the technology and the intelligence and intelligence services and the way we can have lasers way in which we can have lasers now, know, now, not just bombs, you know, those operated by a those can be operated by a limited number of people. so we don't actually require necessarily the thousands upon thousands militarytrained thousands of military trained boots and guns than what we might have done previously. >> you don't think so? is that right, do we? not really require the numbers that we, um. because of technology ? of technology? >> no, i think you still need numbers and you still need some mass. >> now, there's no doubt that the british army has taken a number of capability holidays, which it needs to reinvest in for the really? >> ah, what they call fires. either artillery and long—range missiles , uavs, drones, missiles, uavs, drones, electronic warfare and air

defence, along with logistics. >> that is sustainability and availability to ensure that you can fight 30, 40, 50 days. those are the key things for the army. but the most important thing for the uk, because we're an island is the navy and the raf . the raf is the navy and the raf. the raf is the navy and the raf. the raf is part of the integrated air and missile defence system in nato . and you can't separate the nato. and you can't separate the british army from and nato, which has more vigour and purpose now than it had two years ago, has added the years ago, which has added the 3ist years ago, which has added the 31st member with finland and is likely to add the 32nd member with sweden . that will make nato with sweden. that will make nato stronger and that will be the outcome i think will be of the washington summit. the 75th anniversary this very anniversary of this very successful alliance in this summer. yeah but i still worry that we literally relying on other things like nato and stuff like that to protect ourselves. >> when we've seen kind of how indecisive in some respects nato have been, especially around the conflict with ukraine. and also, what about the degeneration of our own suppliers? chip, because we've given lots of things to

ukraine and you know, these may be old weapons , but we've be old weapons, but we've depleted own supply as yes, depleted our own supply as yes, we have. >> but you've got to remember about munitions. munitions degrade . so if you're getting degrade. so if you're getting rid of old that makes rid of old stock that makes absolute sense . there's a absolute sense. there's a degradation of both the explosive potential of munitions , which is why we use training stocks . and you keep an stocks. and you keep an operational, uh , stockpile operational, uh, stockpile alongside that absolute sense to have done that . and it would be have done that. and it would be safer for us to degrade russia than potentially having to fight a future war against them in whatever time frame ten years, 20 years, because from a grand strategic perspective, russia looks in terms of decades or centuries, not one year, three years or five years. >> yeah . i'm years or five years. >> yeah. i'm going to come back to you, charlie, again , though. to you, charlie, again, though. um, what about in terms of recruitment of soldiers and things like that? because even if we think we are slightly ready for war, the fact that the numbers are going down, who would want to soldier these would want to be a soldier these days look days anyway? we don't look after our the our veterans. you go to the

states, treated states, veterans are treated like know, like like almost you know, like absolute warriors and gods and legends. but here in this country, veterans can't even country, our veterans can't even get somewhere to live. in fact, we than we treat migrants better than our veterans . our own veterans. >> well, i think that's absolutely right, because , you absolutely right, because, you know, it is a total disgrace in this country that if you're talking about a uk taxpayer giving up a hotel to someone that's broken into country that's broken into the country effectively illegally, and you're still seeing veterans, people you're absolutely people who you're absolutely right, uniform right, have donned that uniform that signed to put their that signed up to put their lives to defend all lives on the line to defend all of us nation cannot of us as a nation cannot get that that is that accommodation. that is a disgrace, in terms of a disgrace, as in terms of a society that are. not society that we are. i'm not saying for a second that we don't need the numbers. i'm just saying we need to have a discussion you the discussion about, you know, the technology discussion about, you know, the te

something to be proud of. we talked down too far too talked down too much, far too much. just as much. our armed services just as we do all of our other great british institutions because of wukari things wukari and all the other things that society. so it's that go on in society. so it's absolutely integral, i think in schools, society, people that schools, in society, people that might lost their way in might have lost their way in life into life if they can come back into society joining the army or society by joining the army or joining armed forces any joining the armed forces in any capacity country, capacity to serve their country, to that purpose, to give themselves that purpose, something to contribute to, something to contribute to, something proud of, something to be proud of, i think would be a good thing. >> this. get the >> we get this. we get the sentiment. course it would be sentiment. of course it would be great. i'm going great. so, ralph, i'm going to come this come to you then is this country, uk, for war? country, the uk, ready for war? what think? what do you think? >> don't so, because >> i don't think so, because wars ultimately won will >> i don't think so, because wars resolve. mately won will >> i don't think so, because wars resolve. andely won will >> i don't think so, because wars resolve. and while1 will and resolve. and while i find those about those discussions about technology i technology very interesting, i want everyone in want to remind everyone in this round that round and your viewers that after afghanistan, after 20 years in afghanistan, we the war against a ragtag we lost the war against a ragtag army with fertiliser, bombs and kalashnikovs . uh, we see the kalashnikovs. uh, we see the same with the houthis and now in the red sea. as far as i recall correctly, a british citizens have hostage by have been taken hostage by hamas. this is something, something would have something nobody would have dared years ago. dared a couple of years ago. >> so word, then, >> okay, so in a word, then, i presume that's no stephen pound. yes are ready for war? yes or no? are we ready for war?

>> the closer it >> we will be the closer it comes . comes. >> but. but are we ready >> but. no, no. but are we ready for war at moment? for war at the moment? >> sadly. no. >> sadly. no, no. >> sadly. no, no. >> ready war? >> we have to be. and i think we just about are. but we can do more. >> yes or no? >>— >> yes or no? >> yes. >> yes. >> and, chip chapman, are we ready >> and, chip chapman, are we reaynato is . yes. >> nato is. yes. >> nato is. yes. >> yes. oh, good answer. wow. really? all right, listen , thank really? all right, listen, thank you so much to all of you, major general chapman, uh, general chip chapman, uh, charlie rowley, stephen pound, and also ralph shellhammer. thank right that's thank you so much. right that's their thoughts. are yours? their thoughts. what are yours? gb com tweet me gb views gb news. com tweet me at on the way. it's at gb news. on the way. it's time british time for the great british debate. this hour. i'm asking, are war? you'll are we ready for war? you'll hear my panel, hear the thoughts of my panel, christine hamilton and danny kelly come. course. kelly still to come. of course. this week's outside and i'll give spent 17 give you some clues. he spent 17 years regiment, and years in the tank regiment, and he has launched a charity , he has since launched a charity, mission motorsport. in 2012. who is he? get in touch. gb views gbnews.com. but first, let's get your latest news headlines with . tamsin. >> nana. thanks very much. here

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european generals fear the uk is no longer a top level fighting force, as it's been reported that the army will have fewer than 70,000 soldiers within two years. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, are for well, are we ready for war? well, let's see what panel make let's see what my panel make of that. by broadcaster that. i'm joined by broadcaster and journalist also and journalist danny kelly, also broadcaster and author christine hamilton . and christine, i need hamilton. and christine, i need to start with you. are we ready for war? >> no, but i don't think the idea that putin's going to invade, think, is, is bonkers. invade, i think, is, is bonkers. he is aware of nato . an article he is aware of nato. an article is it five, i think, which says attack one and you attack them all. um, so i think it'd be very foolish to invade invade a nato country. the problem is, and donald trump has, um , keeps donald trump has, um, keeps reminding us of all this, that europe doesn't pay its way. and he has the embodiment of america. 2% is fed up of supporting the whole of europe and he is saying, and if he gets in, he's going to withdraw, um, some defence spending for nato. and we've absolutely got to step some defence spending for nato. an

mean, there are some european countries who frankly think that defence what you sit on. it's defence is what you sit on. it's not what you need to defend the company like that. i took a moment for the penny drop moment for the penny to drop defence. it's a good one. defence is what you sit on. um, so no mean, i thought that so no, i mean, i thought that the classic definition of an army was 100,000 using men in the sense of man embraces woman. and we've got we're going down from 85 to 73. no i mean, it's pitiful. and we've got our at sea. it's even worse. >> but can i bring you to your first comment? >> we are. >> we are. >> yes, but your first comment was that is if putin would there's that's going to there's no way that's going to happen. about happen. we said that about ukraine yes ukraine and he did. yes >> but ukraine is not in nato. it's invading country, it's invading a nato country, i think difference. think is the difference. you know, very careful. >> danny kelly, i because we would be bound to to that. would be bound to come to that. >> there's iran as well. >> i wouldn't be surprised if putin because what putin tested that because what happens? invades poland or happens? he invades poland or there's some sort false flag there's some sort of false flag operation . there's some operation. there's some sort of incursion poland , just incursion into poland, just a minor encroachment and all of a sudden he's testing nato's resolve. what will

resolve. because what will happen involved ? happen if nato gets involved? just, let me just, just just let me hypothesise for a second. so he invades poland , nato get invades poland, nato get involved. russia retaliate , and involved. russia retaliate, and then the world potentially is at then the world potentially is at the a nuclear now, the risk of a nuclear war. now, putin knows that the west don't want nuclear putin's want a nuclear war. putin's a psychopathic and psychopathic bully and i wouldn't be surprised if he tested that. and what would nato do? nato really respond? do? would nato really respond? well, already have, say they are. >> we already have had a similar test when one of the weapons or one missiles fired into one of the missiles fired into poland, i don't know whether it was missile. i don't was a ukrainian missile. i don't know whether it ukrainian know whether it was a ukrainian or either or russian, but either way, there , you know, there there wasn't, you know, there wasn't. was wasn't. you didn't. i was expecting a bit but i'm expecting a bit more, but i'm glad found out it wasn't. expecting a bit more, but i'm gla well, found out it wasn't. expecting a bit more, but i'm gla well, letjnd out it wasn't. expecting a bit more, but i'm gla well, let me out it wasn't. expecting a bit more, but i'm gla well, let me ask it wasn't. expecting a bit more, but i'm gla well, let me ask younsn't. expecting a bit more, but i'm gla well, let me ask you this. >> well, let me ask you this question. if putin was to invade poland knows poland and everyone knows that the war, the next step is a nuclear war, would back would nato really fight back like we expect them to if it's going to end up in a nuclear war? armageddon? >> way strength >> well, the only way strength comes from it doesn't comes from strength, it doesn't comes from strength, it doesn't come and putin come from weakness. and putin has that if invades has to know that if he invades a nato country, nato would react. he has to know that. but they might not. >> my point is that nato may not, because it might result in

a nuclear war. >> that's point, that sort of >> that's my point, that sort of talk is dangerous. but he's he's a well he's not to a psychopath. well he's not to some people listen, some people would that he's a very would say that he's a very intelligent and isn't intelligent person and isn't a psychopath all. psychopath at all. >> very calculated. and >> and he's very calculated. and this on ukraine this whole attack on ukraine was planned. know about planned. so i don't know about that. but listen, this is not about views. let's about you and your views. let's welcome great british welcome our great british voices. up. christine, voices. shut up. christine, you're often due to be on the show. and tell us what you think about the topics we're discussing . uh, where should discussing. uh, where should we go we oh, i go to? should we go to. oh, i love cheshire . love this. we'll go to cheshire. chester, cheshire. look at this. oh, look, we're going straight in. is she? oh oh, in. where is she? oh oh, elizabeth. elizabeth. heather you're cheshire. you're there in cheshire. elizabeth that elizabeth do you think that we're ready war? we're ready for war? >> um, i think i think absolutely not even even, like, regardless of the situation that might occur with worship, it's important that we should be prepared for war, no matter the circumstance. >> um , as it's not given that we >> um, as it's not given that we will always live in times of peace. after all, everything is typically quiet before a storm breaks out and but currently,

the british army has less than 100,000 soldiers recruited, which is completely embarrassing . and instead of coming up with smart ways to solve this problem , the defence secretary has instead announced that he's launching an offence to tackle the problem by enlisting female recruits . of course, the problem recruits. of course, the problem is not female recruits. we've never had historically . they've never had historically. they've never had historically. they've never historically been in the military . it's the fact that military. it's the fact that british men are now see no reason to participate in the army. and who can blame them? the used to serve the army is now used to serve global interests rather than being in the service of one's country in the defence of it, as witnessed in afghanistan . you witnessed in afghanistan. you know, people have traditionally joined the military, not for the for not the benefit of the army, but because they are driven by a sense of duty and to protect their country . it's sense of duty and to protect their country. it's this patriotism that defines a flourishing military which today, for whatever reason, the army has tried to leave behind. yeah i think if we want to be prepared, uh, if we want to be

prepared, uh, if we want to be prepared for war, we need to start investing in investing in defence and have a domestic industrial base that we can fall back to weapons when back on to produce weapons when it comes to recruitment. and we need to make the army about patriotism again, take away ridiculous requirements banning people with autism and adhd from joining, which is which hasn't historically been there . and historically been there. and most importantly, we need to bnng most importantly, we need to bring back national service. i agree, will not only help our people prepare for war, but we'll teach them important survival skills that they may need. if a national crisis does break out as well . break out as well. >> well, listen, we totally agree with that. and here, here, elizabeth, thank you very much. is great british voice. is our great british voice. that's elizabeth, elizabeth, heather in cheshire. well she's right, christine? right, isn't she, christine? she's back national service. >> of course she's right. we should back national should bring back national service. and apparently you can't army service. and apparently you can'ttattoos army service. and apparently you can'ttattoos because army service. and apparently you can'ttattoos because theyirmy with tattoos because they couldn't duty. well, couldn't do parade duty. well, just have a tattoo. just don't have a tattoo. well, that's heard. bigwig saying. >> it's true . >> it's true. >> it's true. >> yeah, but just tattoos on the face hands? if face or the hands? no, but if you've got elsewhere ,

you've got tattoos elsewhere, does matter? or. does it really matter? or. i mean , another of mean, another example of the tories , frankly, betraying our tories, frankly, betraying our national interest. they have plenty of time and energy to worry about whether the guards bearskins are made of bearskins or not. >> soldier i've seen has got tattoos not the tattoos. maybe not above the neck. tattoos. maybe not above the nec precisely , i know exactly. >> precisely, i know exactly. >> precisely, i know exactly. >> absurd. wouldn't >> it's absurd. i wouldn't bring back national service. we're back national service. if we're on war, then yeah, on the edge of war, then yeah, but no, bring it back. >> it back. well, it's do >> bring it back. well, it's do people a lot of good a lot of our would, really our young would, would really benefit national benefit from a dose of national service. >> yes. they would rule britannia very quickly. >> yes. they would rule britsay a very quickly. >> yes. they would rule britsay marky quickly. >> yes. they would rule britsay mark says:kly. >> yes. they would rule britsay mark says unfortunately >> say mark says unfortunately russia has technology and numbers and it has not been degraded militarily, militarily or economically , pj says. why or economically, pj says. why not back national service not bring back national service now? that's we now? yes, that's what we were saying . ipsis doesn't we saying. ipsis doesn't matter. we won't have the steel to build the tanks. you the ships and tanks. no, you make a good point, darren. darren not ready for darren says we are not ready for war. made everyone war. they made everyone redundant we need redundant in 2013. so we need a nean redundant in 2013. so we need a near, um. we need where? nowhere. nowhere near the number that. nowhere. nowhere near the number that . blah nowhere. nowhere near the number that. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. and then finally lesley unfortunately, i lesley says, unfortunately, i don't the young the don't think the young lady, the young patriotic enough young today are patriotic enough to armed forces. well,

to join the armed forces. well, that's elizabeth was that's what elizabeth was saying. this is gb news, saying. but this is gb news, who's tv, online and on who's on tv, online and on digital i'll my teeth digital radio. i'll put my teeth back coming up, my back in. just coming up, my outside guests who? i'll outside guests. who? well, i'll give clues . uh, give you some more clues. uh, his life outside the army. he's spent in the tank spent 17 years in the tank regiment . he's since launched a regiment. he's since launched a charity motorsport , and charity mission motorsport, and will about the big will be telling us about the big national transition event on the 4th of march that he's getting involved in. but first, let's get some weather a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> hello, welcome to your latest gb news weather. i'm ellie glaisyer storm isha very much in charge of our weather over the next couple of days, bringing some very rain and some some very heavy rain and some strong winds too. it'll slowly be moving its way towards us through sunday evening, bringing that rain those that heaviest rain to those western and the strongest western coasts and the strongest winds through the early hours of monday morning. that rain continues to spread its way north and eastwards later through and that's when through sunday, and that's when

we see those winds really starting to pick up. gusts widely 60 to 70 miles an hour along those western coasts, perhaps 80 to across northern perhaps 80 to 90 across northern parts scotland through the parts of scotland through the early of monday. i'm mild early hours of monday. i'm mild tonight than we've seen over recent 6 recent weeks, perhaps 6 or 7 degrees, quite widely , maybe 8 degrees, quite widely, maybe 8 or the very far or 9 across the very far south—east. but it's a very windy start to the day on monday . winds will gradually start to ease through the morning, but it still staying still will be staying very blustery monday blustery through much of monday itself . showers widely itself. showers widely pushing in west , these turning in from the west, these turning particularly . particularly heavy at times. perhaps even the odd flake of snow the high of snow across the high ground of scotland. will be some scotland. there will be some sunshine particularly further south and further east, and temperatures 10 or 11 temperatures here maybe 10 or 11 degrees. with those strong, degrees. but with those strong, blustery take blustery winds that will take the temperatures. the edge off those temperatures. tuesday will start a little bit dnen tuesday will start a little bit drier. perhaps some sunshine across eastern areas across those eastern areas through the morning. but the next quite quickly pushes next system quite quickly pushes in west , rain next system quite quickly pushes in west, rain spreading in from the west, rain spreading its in from the west, rain spreading hs and in from the west, rain spreading its and eastwards , its way north and eastwards, turning heaviest along those western and bringing with western coasts and bringing with it winds. two it some strong winds. two a little brighter on wednesday , little brighter on wednesday, but further wet and windy

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good afternoon and welcome. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua now. we've got lots of your messages coming. keep them coming. gb views out gb news. com or tweet me at gb news. joining me today, my panellists , joining me today, my panellists, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly and also broadcaster and also christine hamilton . we were also christine hamilton. we were talking about the war and are we ready for war? and i told you to shut up. so you can carry on now. christine it was about national wasn't national service, wasn't it? >> we were talking about >> yes, we were talking about national service, i think. >> know that >> yes, i well, i know that the professional what professional soldiers and what the guy you had on earlier, he would say don't want it would say we don't want it because professional because we want professional people, we want volunteers. we want to be want people who want to be there. would do a lot there. i think it would do a lot of i sound like an of i honestly, i sound like an absolute think it absolute granny, but i think it would do lot of the youngsters would do a lot of the youngsters today hell of good today a hell of a lot of good for themselves. never what today a hell of a lot of good fo would selves. never what today a hell of a lot of good fowould do les. never what today a hell of a lot of good

fowould do to. never what today a hell of a lot of good fo would do to. neve they what today a hell of a lot of good fo would do to. neve they couldt it would do to them. they could then go and do all right, then go on and do all right, calm i'm in favour. calm down. i'm all in favour. let's go . community construction service. >> right. listen, it's time to go now. live to paul duddridge, host of the politics people podcast, time for podcast, because it's time for world cross over world view. let's cross over live to los angeles , right. paul live to los angeles, right. paul duddndge live to los angeles, right. paul duddridge talked to me. talk to me, trump. he's on a course to win, isn't he? the new hampshire primary on tuesday. >> yeah. we're this >> yeah. we're at this ridiculous position , ian, with ridiculous position, ian, with things new hampshire. things like new hampshire. >> to remember >> you have to remember all we're him we're talking about is him competing to be candidate competing to be the candidate for the republican party. >> there's anybody else >> like there's anybody else that's to touch him . that's even going to touch him. nikki haley just spent $100 million to get, like , three million to get, like, three people and a dog to vote for her in iowa. >> there is so much money being wasted here by the republicans. uh, on this complete pantomime. so yes, we are now moving into new hampshire. >> you just went through the excitement of the iowa caucus. i'm sure you all enjoyed it there. >> now we're new hampshire there. >> a ow we're new hampshire there. >> a primary, new hampshire there. >> a primary, ne\is-iampshire for a primary, which is different to a caucus because it's a secret ballot and people

just in a traditional way. just vote in a traditional way. so that happens tuesday . so that happens tuesday. >> and both democrats and republican parties are actually participating, although biden is not included on that ballot because they don't want him competing with anybody else. >> but other contenders are trying to, uh, get those delegate points from biden on tuesday. but that's kind of you know, they're not going to they're not going to suddenly replace biden on tuesday and he's to but he's not going to lose. but yes, we decide whether we are trying to decide whether trump, trump, who's not even a candidate, he is the leader of a of a movement, a political movement like you've never seen before. should he be the candidate in november ? so yes, candidate in november? so yes, we're spending hundreds of millions on millions of dollars on that. on tuesday. couldn't help. tuesday. i couldn't help. >> was also that piece >> but there was also that piece about , mean, >> but there was also that piece about, mean, me it was about, i mean, i to me it was ridiculous, they were saying ridiculous, but they were saying that wrong that trump has something wrong with had some with him because he had some spots hand. does trump spots on his hand. does trump have syphilis? i think was or have syphilis? i think it was or something because he had spots have syphilis? i think it was or sorhis1ing because he had spots have syphilis? i think it was or sorhis1ing becauthate had spots have syphilis? i think it was or sorhis1ing becauthat wasd spots have syphilis? i think it was or sorhis1ing becauthat was i spots have syphilis? i think it was or sorhis1ing becauthat was i mean, on his hand and that was i mean, that is that that was absurd. is that is that a been going a piece that's been going on where ? have people where you are? have people been talking there talking about that? there

>> i mean, look, >> they they try i mean, look, we've got a president , we've got we've got a president, we've got a president who can't make stairs up or down hasn't stairs up or down who hasn't been he's only been seen five times in the last 22 days. and there's the candidate with a bit of blood on his hand, 77 year old got some blood on his hand. apparently now he's henry the eighth and he's got some awful . eighth and he's got some awful. he's got some medieval std he's got some awful medieval std . it's incredible. no it's . it's incredible. yes. no it's not really catching on that. i'll tell you. it's interesting you because i would say you say that because i would say a year ago, every media outlet would with every one of would run with every one of these stories . these ridiculous stories. they're not. now i'm i'm actually slightly worried that everybody's of reporting everybody's kind of reporting trump respectfully and very trump very respectfully and very what worries me is everybody that said he wouldn't win in 2016 is now saying he would . and 2016 is now saying he would. and so i'm slightly alarmed. he will win. and i'm just like, yeah, yeah, well but there's nobody else. >> there's nobody else, frankly. and i'm like many believe even the most left of left are now actually acknowledging that had he been at the helm , we probably he been at the helm, we probably wouldn't be in the state we're in. and paul duddridge, we

in. this. and paul duddridge, we were but next time were out of time. but next time you've we need you you've got to we need to get you on earlier. you take care. on earlier. but you take care. always to you. always great to speak to you. it's fault. it's i know it's not your fault. it's i know it's not your fault. it's he's the it's not his fault. he's the host of the politics people podcast. this a news. stay host of the politics people podca�*because a news. stay host of the politics people podca�*because i've news. stay host of the politics people podca�*because i've gotiews. stay host of the politics people podca�*because i've got loadsstay tuned because i've got loads more come in the next hour. more to come in the next hour. hello and welcome to gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next houn i'm nana akua and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. on the way outside guest now on the way my outside guest now he is a mystery . 17 years in the he is a mystery. 17 years in the tank regiment and recognised the overall privilege of commanding soldiers during his deployments in the us afghanistan . he in the us and afghanistan. he became passionate about positive outcomes for military personnel. what else i tell you? he what else can i tell you? he launched mission motorsport at thruxton motor circuit on the 1st of march in 2012, and the forces motorsport charity, whose motto is race, retrain , recover

motto is race, retrain, recover is the mod's competent authority for motorsport. so what do you think he is? vaiews@gbnews.uk and then after that, it's time for the great british debate. this hour and we'll be discussing net zero. but first, let's get your latest news headunes let's get your latest news headlines with . tamsin. headlines with. tamsin. >> nana. thank you and good evening from the gb newsroom. it's 5:01. the whole of the uk is bracing for severe weather this evening, with gusts of up to 90 miles an hour expected to cause havoc. two amber wind alerts are in place as storm esher nears landfall. network rail is among several train companies warnings of delays and cancellations , with speed cancellations, with speed restrictions now in place, forecasters say there's a danger to life in some areas , warning to life in some areas, warning of falling trees , power cuts and of falling trees, power cuts and possible flooding. our south—west england reporter jeff moody says conditions will get worse tonight .

worse tonight. >> storms really beginning to take effect now. the wind is really beginning to pick up. the rain has arrived too, and it's going to get a whole lot worse tonight. this is the ninth named storm of the season , and what storm of the season, and what makes this one unique is that it's going to affect the whole of the uk , the met office saying of the uk, the met office saying make sure that everything in your garden is secured, fixed down the risk from flying debris is very, very real indeed . avoid is very, very real indeed. avoid coastal paths and avoid rural paths to . the best thing you can paths to. the best thing you can do is to stay indoors . do is to stay indoors. >> all flights coming into london's heathrow airport are experiencing some shaky landings in the weather. the windy conditions are creating some frightening conditions for passengers with several flights spotted looking unsafe dodi as they descended into britain's main airport . they descended into britain's main airport. labour says the government's rwanda bill won't act as a deterrent to migrants entering britain illegally. the

plan would see asylum seekers arriving in the uk sent to rwanda to have their claims processed. speaking to gb news, presenter camilla tominey, shadow immigration minister stephen kinnock said tackling the crisis depends upon international cooperation. there's no way that shipping perhaps 1% of the number of people that come across the channel on small boats to rwanda is ever going to act as deterrent. >> you're dealing with people who are fleeing violence and persecution by stopping, wasting, much time . wasting, so much time. >> a murderer investigation is underway after a teenager was stabbed in birmingham city centre, west midlands police said its officers were called to victoria square after the 17 year old was found seriously injured yesterday. he was rushed to hospital but later died . to hospital but later died. anyone who may have taken pictures in the area around the river statue near victoria square on saturday afternoon, is advised to contact police . advised to contact police.

there's been an explosion at a major gas terminal in the baltic sea near russia, in a suspected drone strike from ukraine. firefighters are battling flames at the site after reports from ukraine media suggests a special operation was carried out by security services. ukraine's government has not claimed responsibility . dodi novatek is responsibility. dodi novatek is russia's largest natural gas producer . it's now been forced producer. it's now been forced to stop operations there . the to stop operations there. the royal navy's defences are to be boosted . with £405 million of boosted. with £405 million of funding amid escalating global tensions. missiles that have been used to defend ships in the red sea will be upgraded, making it the uk's most capable naval air defence system ever developed. defence secretary grant shapps told gb news that britain is taking a lead.

apologies we'll hear from grant shapps a little later on. now the skies above berlin were lit up last night as a rare meteor was spotted . researcher michael was spotted. researcher michael i he managed to capture the moment on camera , told reporters moment on camera, told reporters he was just about to take his dog for a walk when a colleague told him to keep his eyes on the sky. experts say it's only the eighth time it's ever been possible to predict the exact time of a meteor. it's good timing . this is gb news across timing. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to . nana. good afternoon. >> if you just tuned in. welcome on board. it's fast approaching six minutes after 5:00. this is a gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the topics hitting the big topics hitting the headunes

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solar farms to see how we achieve net zero, and whether we can actually do that. or is it just a big gimmick ? then stay just a big gimmick? then stay tuned for the mini debates. i'll be talking about bbc editorial standards , as at least two standards, as at least two members engaged in members of staff engaged in malpractice. according to the broadcasters new internal whistleblowing policy. you won't want that. as ever . want to miss that. as ever. email gb views at gb news. com or tweet at . gb news. it's or tweet me at. gb news. it's time now for this week's outside , where we take a look at somebody's life, take a look at somebody's life, take a look at somebody who's had an extremely interesting career and take a look at life outside the job. we talk highs, lows and lessons learnt and what comes next on the outside . now i'll give you the outside. now i'll give you some clues. i'm joined by a man with a very distinguished career. said earlier, it career. as i said earlier, it spans 17 years in the royal tank regiment and, um, he's been committed to support those whose lives have been impacted by military service. and he founded

mission motorsport, a charity dedicated to helping veterans race, retrain and recover . he's race, retrain and recover. he's helped over 1100 veterans and helped over 1100 veterans and helped them find jobs. who do you think he is? of course , he's you think he is? of course, he's former tank commander james cameron, not the film guy . cameron, not the film guy. >> not the film guy, no . >> not the film guy, no. >> not the film guy, no. >> yes. >> yes. >> james. so lovely to meet you. so lovely to meet you. >> thank you for having me on. yeah. >> thank you so much. we'll start with you then. what's your backstory? where were you born? and up in this and how did you end up in this sort line of work? sort of line of work? >> well, so i'm a yorkshireman who always knew , i think, from who always knew, i think, from quite a young time at school that i was going to serve. >> and after university >> and so after university joined army , from there , joined the army, and from there, you know, the royal tank regiment after sandhurst and was initially posted out to germany. >> i kind of to see >> so i kind of got to see a little of how the army used little bit of how the army used to live. >> the british army of the rhine for years, but of course, mid to late 90s things started to change and i then found myself um, after some early time on

tanksin um, after some early time on tanks in kabul in in december 2001. >> so , so you know, pretty close >> so, so you know, pretty close after the, the september the 11th attacks and then in, uh, you know, when i came back from there the following year, then then into iraq and was fairly busy from that point onwards. >> um , i latterly i was in >> um, i latterly i was in helmand commanding, uh, the armoured group, um, which , which armoured group, um, which, which uh was a task between 2010 and 2011 that really sort of sort of saw me back on armour kind of in, in the thick of things as well. >> so, so what you were around is that prince harry's time in the armed forces as well. did you? >> uh, so i overlapped with harry couple of times in, um, harry a couple of times in, um, uh, afghanistan . uh, in afghanistan. >> um, uh, but, uh, never thought i'd end up doing what i'm doing now, which is running a service charity. >> in fact, i think it's a terrible idea, and i think i thought it was a terrible idea for some time. um, but it's the right way to, um, use this money

in the right transparent way so that people can see on what it's being spent. >> well, what drew you to the army? there's army? because there's a whole thing they're thing now where they're struggling recruit anybody struggling to recruit anybody really. numbers they're really. the numbers they're thinking years thinking in the next few years will down by another 20,000. will be down by another 20,000. what drew you to it, what was it that drew you to it, and in view, do you and what, in your view, do you think going wrong as to why and what, in your view, do you think justng wrong as to why and what, in your view, do you think justng wrcwant; to why and what, in your view, do you think justng wrcwant; tcjoin? people just don't want to join? >> , it's always difficult. >> um, it's always difficult. traditionally to recruit for the armed forces when employment in the country is at a very high level. at the moment we've level. and at the moment we've got precedented high got almost, um, precedented high levels employment the levels of employment across the country. the military, all country. so the military, all three services have to compete with lots of other compelling careers people could do. careers that people could do. um, whereas when the pendulum swings the other way, it's much easier for the armed forces to be able recruit. um, it's up be able to recruit. um, it's up to the armed forces to be able to the armed forces to be able to articulate the amazing things which and the which you can do and the opportunities it gives you opportunities that it gives you in be competitive in order to be competitive against all of the other things that , um, against all of the other things that, um, school might, that, um, school kids might, might themselves as might see themselves as interested doing . um, so interested in doing. um, so i think the, the economic conditions of the country have

got an awful lot to do with it. um, and there's also a little bit of i mean, i have a 17 year old at home who, you know, i struggle sometimes to motivate and to get pointed in the right direction. um, and it's not necessarily about what what appealed to me back in the day . appealed to me back in the day. um, in the same language . we've um, in the same language. we've got to find the right language to be able to appeal to and to be able to appeal to him and his peers so that he can see the amazing opportunities that do exist armed forces . exist in the armed forces. >> we need put it on tiktok. >> we need to put it on tiktok. yeah absolutely do . yeah we absolutely do. >> you know, lots of things which are, you know, quite alien orjust simply didn't exist. you or just simply didn't exist. you know, when sort of coming know, when i was sort of coming through. but i remember lots of criticism of playstation generation. um, it the generation. um, but it was the playstation generation that i deployed to iraq and deployed with to iraq and afghanistan . they afghanistan. and they were lions. were extraordinary. lions. they were extraordinary. now, what do you what do you think of because you said that you over your with you crossed over your time with prince harry, and obviously he's in the news a lot. >> obviously, you don't need to give us much detail, we >> obviously, you don't need to givecurious. much detail, we >> obviously, you don't need to givecurious. umh detail, we >> obviously, you don't need to givecurious. um you tail, we >> obviously, you don't need to givecurious. um you know, we >> obviously, you don't need to givecurious. um you know, when >> obviously, you don't need to

give read js. um you know, when >> obviously, you don't need to give read thejm you know, when >> obviously, you don't need to give read thejm you kifyw, when >> obviously, you don't need to give read thejm you kif yourhen >> obviously, you don't need to give read thejm you kif you read you read the memoir, if you read his spare memoir and he gave that kill count to 25, he said, well, was thoughts on well, what was your thoughts on that? >> well, there's a very sort >> uh, well, there's a very sort of helicopter thing about it. of helicopter y thing about it. um battle damage assessment that breaks down things in terms of numbers . um, breaks down things in terms of numbers. um, so he had quite a different military career than i did in order to be able to talk about things like that. so that does feel quite alien, i think, for quite a few people who've served. something served. but there's something quite specific about his role in, helicopters that in, um, in helicopters that perhaps then gives you that kind of language. what do know is of language. what i do know is he went off script in 2013, i think, when he was visiting , uh, think, when he was visiting, uh, an american thing called the warrior games. um, and went off script and invited everybody to this event that we'd be holding in the uk very soon. and, you know, i know the staff officer in, in the mod who spat his cereal back into his bowl and went, what on earth have you committed to? us and that became

the invictus games. now i was out in dusseldorf for this last invictus games that has just gone and was fascinated , gone and was fascinated, particularly because it was germany and dusseldorf for, you know, a city that i know well. it used to be based out in germany and the way which the germans perceived military service has traditionally been very from how how we very different from how how we do . um, and very different from how how we do. um, and listen to very different from how how we do . um, and listen to the do. um, and listen to the defence minister speak in extraordinarily emotional terms about their responsibilities towards ukraine. and he got a standing ovation which interrupted him. mid—speech and i saw this chap grip the podium and looking in front of him , and looking in front of him, team ukraine were getting to their feet . those of whom were their feet. those of whom were actually able to . and it's actually able to. and it's amazing. and you think and you saw the guy falter and the round of applause, which he got from a packed stadium in invictus that was then televised. you think what an incredible thing that that still has. i was really intrigued to see if it still had the same power that it did back

in september 2014, when we first did it, harry's vision was extraordinary, but it continues to find , um, new impetus , i to find, um, new impetus, i think. and for boris pistorius, who is the german defence minister, he will remember that moment to his dying day . he is moment to his dying day. he is the guy who was arguing in the german parliament for commitment to support to the ukraine cause and for the amount that they contribute towards defence spending and all else with it. invictus will have had a part , invictus will have had a part, will have had a founding influential role on on his opinion making. so yeah , i, opinion making. so yeah, i, i haven't read the book, i've read bits of it. >> yeah , we've all read bits of >> yeah, we've all read bits of it . it. >> uh, but um, but to be perfectly honest, i think i've, ihave perfectly honest, i think i've, i have he is never more comfortable , uh, than when he's comfortable, uh, than when he's around soldiers. comfortable, uh, than when he's around soldiers . yeah. and he is around soldiers. yeah. and he is wonderful all with them and he's very much one of them. uh, and i think there's always a piece of

him that'll have a very strong focus on that. and i, you know, i've seen it, you know , very i've seen it, you know, very recently that that he remains kind of committed to that sort of i'm very grateful kind of committed to that sort of him i'm very grateful kind of committed to that sort of him for i'm very grateful kind of committed to that sort of him for it, i'm very grateful kind of committed to that sort of him for it, because grateful kind of committed to that sort of him for it, because gra'easy to him for it, because the easy thing do not, um, would thing to do would not, um, would no longer to be doing that. those sort things. and those sort of things. and he very yeah. very much does. yeah. >> , yeah. yeah, think >> well, yeah. yeah, i think that's the, that's the good thing that put together . thing that he's put together. so may . so what about may that continue. so what about you now. so you mentioned that you've worked with johnny mercer i >> -- >> yes. so we have um, uh, a minister for veterans affairs now in the country. um i johnny is a really interesting politician , and i think he he politician, and i think he he would lead with that just as much because he never wanted to be a politician. i don't think he'd ever voted . i have to and he'd ever voted. i have to and do steer away from the politics of things, but it is refreshing and interesting to hear people who in those of terms who talk in those kind of terms and a little bit like harry. he's comfortable and he's also very comfortable and very on, on, on, uh , confident

very on, on, on, uh, confident ground when he's amongst those who've served the big thing that that the minister has been successful in doing is taking veterans care out of mod and making a place in central government, in the cabinet office that is interested in, in veterans issues. so what was why is that a good thing? >> why would the ministry of defence not be capable of looking after their veterans? well well, it's interesting if you look at the australian , who you look at the australian, who i think did it in the 1950s, uh, the canadians in the 1960s and the canadians in the 1960s and the americans after vietnam in the americans after vietnam in the 1970s realised that their departments of defence were focussed on defence outputs. >> so right now we want our mod to be really focussed on what's happening in the red sea. we want them to be really focussed on happening in ukraine. on what's happening in ukraine. we them be getting we want them to be getting recruitment retention right recruitment and retention right in be able to help us, in order to be able to help us, um, prosecute, you know, the enemies of, of the crown and our country. um, the levers that veterans need at the point

they've left that really help them in their lives. the mod only owns, um, compensation and pensions , but to have something pensions, but to have something thatis pensions, but to have something that is sat outside the mod in central government that can speak into the regions, can talk into health, can talk into department of work and pensions, can look after families and do that. join up across government is much more effective . and i is much more effective. and i think what we're we're seeing is a renewed kind of focus on, on on veterans issues, which, which is something to be celebrated. >> it's so important because it's people have it's not fair. these people have gone for this gone out to fight for this country. and then a lot of them commit afterwards. commit suicide afterwards. there's them. there's nothing there for them. and we are treating migrants. and we are treating migrants. and would say far better than and i would say far better than our veterans, i think our own veterans, which i think is well, there's interesting >> well, there's an interesting narrative around this. mean, narrative around this. i mean, you're absolutely right. you know, people who have know, these are people who have given a huge amount for the country, also invested country, and we've also invested in lot in them. um and in an awful lot in them. um and if we allow them to be underemployed or unemployed or underemployed or unemployed or under a bridge or, or worse, a suicide statistic, then we're

kind of letting ourselves down as a nation. and it's absolutely on us as a society to be able to help them to thrive, to support their families and in turn allow their families and in turn allow the allow the country free to celebrate and benefit from the efforts of these extraordinary people . however, i think that people. however, i think that there is an enormous amount more which is being done for veterans . there is a very easy line which is trotted out that there isn't help there, there isn't support, and people don't care. it false. for example , that it is false. for example, that the suicide statistics among veterans are higher than the general population . that's not general population. that's not true. . and there true. they're lower. and there is a corrosive narrative that we've got to we've all got a responsibility , uh, to push back responsibility, uh, to push back against that, to make the point that for a proportion of our veterans , they struggle and they veterans, they struggle and they need help, and they should have it. and what we're seeing as a government, i think that's starting join up things, starting to join up things, whether up courage , looking whether it's up courage, looking at health provision or

at mental health provision or restore, which is looking at physical health things the physical health things or the work which has been done around rough sleeping , that focus never rough sleeping, that focus never existed before and absolutely , existed before and absolutely, it's important that veterans feel that there are people in in society that care about them. and that they shouldn't have their heads down and feel disenfranchised as a result. so talk to me about your because we're running out of time now. >> you for ages. your >> talk to you for ages. your national event, uh, national transition event, uh, it has just been a wonderful thing. >> w course, @ course, know, >> so of course, you know, we you the beginning , you mentioned at the beginning, i mean, began by by running i mean, i began by by running a sports recovery charity that that uses motorsport to get people off the sofa and engage. but fundamentally behind it is an automotive industry that's desperate people quality , desperate for people of quality, me to able to help that me to be able to help that industry to thrive . we run an industry to thrive. we run an event this year. it's on the 4th of march. it's called the national transition event. very easy to find if you go looking for um, which is open to for it. um, which is open to those from the armed forces community and families who community and their families who are for employment. and

are looking for employment. and we together veterans who we bring together veterans who are successfully in are working successfully in industry to help them to network with those who are coming along behind to help lift them up and help them make their through transition in military terms, is not going to say it's a different what two in. it's a very different sort of phrase, but it's coming from that culture where you're serving in in the army, navy or the air force finding your way into force and finding your way into being successful civilian. being a successful civilian. >> wish you'd called it >> do you wish you'd called it something be honest, it's not >> well, to be honest, it's not my terminology. i think others have along afterwards and have come along afterwards and made slightly made it mean something slightly different made it mean something slightly diffbut, and if people want >> but, uh, and if people want to out that, there's to find out about that, there's a there or. a website, is there or. >> mission >> absolutely. so mission motorsports very easy to find. and transition and the national transition event.com will help people to find listen , james, find it. well, listen, james, thank much for coming in. >> it's lovely em- em“ >> it's lovely to talk to you. >> it's lovely to talk to you. >> pleasure. >> my pleasure. >> my pleasure. >> james cameron. he's >> that is james cameron. he's a former commander. well stay former tank commander. well stay tuned. up to 21 tuned. it's just coming up to 21 minutes 5:00. coming up, minutes after 5:00. coming up, our gary neville and his new fellow , too. woke to fellow dragons, too. woke to fire britain's army of young fire up britain's army of young business brains. but up next,

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onune is gb news. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. we are the people's channel. it's time now for the great british debate. this hour. and i'm asking net zero built on asking is net zero built on lies? recent revelations suggest that britain's climate change committee there may have relied on insum efficient data for key net zero recommendations. now a study on future energy supplies by sir chris llewellyn smith claims that the kc so i'm referring to them as that now based its pronouncements on the extent the uk can rely on wind and solar farms on just a single year of data . so obviously this year of data. so obviously this raises questions about the accuracy and reliability of their projections by only relying on one year's worth of weather information in the c.c.c. stand by their analysis. but as we continue to debate on the feasibility of net zero further, are we being sold a lie? so for the great british debate this out, i'm asking is net zero built on lies? i'm

joined now by jim dale, senior meteorologist for the british weather services. ben powell , weather services. ben powell, co—founder for climate debate uk , and john grant, senior lecturer sustainable lecturer in sustainable construction and climate change. well, i'm going to start with you, jim dale. seeing as you blew yesterday , jim dale, blew me out yesterday, jim dale, i you out. you blew me out. i blew you out. you blew me out. you're be yesterday. you're meant to be on yesterday. and honestly and you blew us out. honestly where are you anyway? you've gone abroad. are you on holiday? >> i'm back at the ranch. >> no, i'm back at the ranch. >> no, i'm back at the ranch. >> uh, loads of interviews today. >> you know, we, you know what? >> you know, we, you know what? >> we got a big storm outside. it's just about going through, uh, starting through uh, starting to go through london just to london now. just to. just to sort we might sort of reason why we might actually be talking net zero. so, um , nice storm of the season so, um, nice storm of the season , and it's a huge one, and it will only get worse through the night. it's an amber. >> well, it's a name though, jim. what about the lies? what about net zero? >> they are lies. >> i'm not sure they are lies. and you know what the problem and do you know what the problem with zero is? the name . to with net zero is? the name. to be with you, i think it be frank with you, i think it gets the woods gets lost in the woods somewhere. terms of what somewhere. uh, in terms of what it actually means, what we're

trying prefer to trying to achieve, i prefer to call this climate mitigation or climate change preparedness reason. because i think that's the, you know, most people with any sense, any common sense whatsoever would support that. net zero is a little bit like , net zero is a little bit like, um, you know, one of those things that somebody sort of dreams up, it's the exchange, the earth's exchange for co2 go up and down. the greenhouse effect and how that goes. we've all done that at school . what all done that at school. what we're trying to do is make that equal equal. that's what net zero is. >> but but we have >> yeah, but but but we have talked a lot , jim. and one of talked a lot, jim. and one of the big things that you've always said is that climate predictions based on the predictions are based on the bigger picture, not just one year and here's year here or there. and here's evidence particular evidence that this particular projection was based on just one year's worth of data . and a lot year's worth of data. and a lot of people relying on that . of people relying on that. >> yeah, i haven't got that paperin >> yeah, i haven't got that paper in front of me. but even if it was , uh, sufficient, as if it was, uh, sufficient, as happenedin if it was, uh, sufficient, as happened in this last year globally to suggest that that it is much needed. and as i say, it's climate mitigation. it's

preparedness . that's the preparedness. that's the direction of travel. but, you know , and i know because we've know, and i know because we've had this conversation, many times, know, going back over times, you know, going back over since 1850, the charts that i showed you last time around, that look , jim, i appreciate the that look, jim, i appreciate the 1850 thing, which is 100 and something years, which again, in my isn't enough, one my view isn't enough, but one yean my view isn't enough, but one year, certainly isn't. >> powell . >> ben powell. >> ben powell. >> well, i think if we were going to find out whether they were not, we'd probably going to find out whether they were a not, we'd probably going to find out whether they were a probe. e'd probably need a mind probe. >> there's certainly some. >> but there's certainly some. it like may be some it looks like there may be some fibbing on somewhere down fibbing going on somewhere down the line. it's important to remember that the disagreement between the royal society and the climate change committee at the climate change committee at the is one between two the moment is one between two organisations that are both pretty much committed to net zero. >> um, and we really need to broaden this discussion out or the debate about this kind of thing, um, out . thing, um, out. >> these studies, both of them , >> these studies, both of them, both organisations studies were based on modelling. >> um, and modelling is just scientific speculation . scientific speculation. >> um, but we've had 20 years of

climate policy be based on these models to try and work out whether whether that policy agendais whether whether that policy agenda is working or not. >> and i would suggest in that 20 years domestic energy prices or the domestic electricity pnces or the domestic electricity prices have tripled . and, um, prices have tripled. and, um, so, so there's the proof of the pudding, there's the proof of the modelling and, and it's unfortunate for, for both of those organisations that this is this, this revelation is quite long in the making has come in the wake of that and fall pulling out of british, uh, wind power projects in the north sea. and of course, orsted last year threatening to pull out of, uh , threatening to pull out of, uh, wind farm development in the uk , wind farm development in the uk, but then being given a 66 increase, uh, 66% increase in the subsidies. they're being offered by the government to provide wind power. um, and then and then further, another blow to that is today, of course, the boss of siemens energy , um,

boss of siemens energy, um, saying that the green that the government's promises of green energy, of renewable energy at low cost are a sheer fantasy. and he made those comments, um, at davos of all places today. so it looks pretty devastating for the wind sector. um, and you know, we, i think what the lies have been and they're clear lies that we're going to get green jobs out of this, and we're going to get green growth out of that.in going to get green growth out of that. in the green that. in fact, the green economy, according to the us, is pretty much stagnant and has been the last decade , even been for the last decade, even despite let me bring in john grant, john grant, despite let me bring in john grant, john grant , john. grant, john grant, john. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so yeah, yeah, the this idea of stagnation in terms of the economy of this is fundamentally because the, the government has had an a no wind turbine on, on land policy. >> so of course there's some stagnation in the economy with regards to that. but there's been a lot of research done that has put the numbers of extra

jobs in the hundreds of thousands and before 2020, 30, 20, 40, as many as 3 million extra jobs . but going back to extra jobs. but going back to this, this , this idea of lies, this, this, this idea of lies, the idea of insufficient evidence or insufficient data collection does not mean it's a lie . we've been collecting data lie. we've been collecting data on how windy the uk is for decades. >> what do you know? >> what do you know? >> we know that the uk is the windiest country in europe , but windiest country in europe, but that's not the point . that's not the point. >> sorry, that's not the point though . if we know it's a lie. though. if we know it's a lie. yes it is. sorry. >> we have a huge resource that we, whether saudi arabia of wind and the idea that because they, you know, they only took one year's data, which is, yeah , year's data, which is, yeah, there's some questions there. but if anything the data was there. that's the thing. show. >> listen, you're saying sorry john. you're saying there's some questions then, then you're just brushing but the brushing over it. but the question were told they've question is we were told they've used projections from just one year's worth of wind to work out

the figures or the amount of wind supply that we could use and how much we're going to rely on wind . and it's just not on wind. and it's just not enough. as an expert enough. you as a as an expert and a lecturer in sustainable construction, would never make your based on just your projection based on just one year. surely even you wouldn't do that . wouldn't do that. >> no, no, i say , that's what i >> no, no, i say, that's what i said. we need to collect more data. but this idea of delaying until we are absolutely certain , until we are absolutely certain, this idea that that perfect is the enemy of the good, we have to act now, you know , we are in to act now, you know, we are in the midst of an ever accelerating change in climate, and we have to have a plan that is as backing down this, this , is as backing down this, this, this throwaway statement that our politicians have that the uk is doing a great job because we cut our carbon emissions by 40, by switching from one fossil fuel to another . fossil fuel is fuel to another. fossil fuel is that's a lie. that's a lie that that's a lie. that's a lie that that isn't a shift down. that's just a profit making scam. we are not on a pathway to zero

carbon. you you should be happy about that. i'm distraught because we need to be on that . because we need to be on that. if we are to have a chance and play if we are to have a chance and play our part in what is the greatest challenge. >> you say that. but again , the >> you say that. but again, the data that you are using to work that out may well be based on that out may well be based on that sort of flimsy amount of evidence as well. once again, it's not. we may find jim dale shaking his head. it's not, is it? are you sure? no. 20s to finish data . yeah. no, that finish data. yeah. no, that policy might be. i'm going to give jim 20s and i'm going to come to ben and then. >> yeah, you just got to look beyond that one. >> one piece of evidence you >> one piece of evidence if you like. a jigsaw like. it's one piece of a jigsaw of a massive jigsaw that's going on across on all around us, right across and ben doing is taking and what ben is doing is taking us century. the us back to the 19 century. the polluted 1970s. we need to be acting with, with. >> yeah, but you haven't even read it, though. you said it yourself. so it's a piece of a jigsaw that you haven't read. finally to ben. ben, ben, paul. last word you? finally to ben. ben, ben, paul. lasyeah. you? finally to ben. ben, ben, paul. lasyeah. i'm/ou? finally to ben. ben, ben, paul. lasyeah. i'm not�* finally to ben. ben, ben, paul. lasyeah. i'm not sure what the >> yeah. i'm not sure what the jigsaw is about. and maybe we

should be talking about wind farms, but look . and john's farms, but look. and john's comment is that we haven't been the government hasn't been committing to this . that's not committing to this. that's not true. the government's committed an awful lot of this, a lot, lot to this. and it's failed the amount of the amount of wind power that's coming online in the next 5 or 6 years is four times greater than that. that which has already been built in the last four years. and that's why we're starting to see this agenda collide with reality, because the expenses the bottom line has been creeping up and up and up and becoming more and up and up and becoming more expensive and now it's too much for the consumer to bear. yeah, well, for the consumer to bear. yeah, weli've got to go because i've >> i've got to go because i've got to go to the news. but you know, the net zero was got to go to the news. but you kno wrong the net zero was got to go to the news. but you kno wrong descriptiont zero was got to go to the news. but you kno wrong descriptiont zeit. was the wrong description for it. it's literally it's just literally the description how will be description of how much will be left your bank account by the left in your bank account by the end of listen, dale, end of it. listen, jim dale, thank much. ben powell, thank you very much. ben powell, good and also good to talk to you. and also john grant, talk to john grant, great to talk to you. think at you. so what do you think at home as listen now 35 after home as you listen now 35 after five. is gb on tv five. this is gb news on tv onune five. this is gb news on tv online digital radio. online and on digital radio. we'll continue the great

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relied on insufficient data for key net zero recommendations. so chris llewellyn smith's study on future energy supply highlights that the climate change committee based its pronouncements on wind and solar farms solely on a single year of data . so this raises serious data. so this raises serious concerns about the accuracy and reliability of their projections. now, the climate change committee stands by their analysis, but it sparks a crucial debate on the true feasibility of relying on achieving net zero. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, is net zero built on lies? well, joining me now, my panel broadcast and author christine hamilton, also journalist and broadcaster danny kelly. is it based on were you laughing at you too? well, well, first of all, you're a stern glance at me and then the juxtaposition . juxtaposition. >> christine's beautiful, warm, friendly smile. i couldn't i couldn't quite, couldn't quite. my brain couldn't quite balance them both go with a friendly one, danny. >> oh, i will do . i'm here to

>> oh, i will do. i'm here to protect you against nana. right net zero. >> uh , lies is the lie is a >> uh, lies is the lie is a strong word. is is the batch of evidence sufficient in order to come up with a calculation? i'm going with the scientists . i if going with the scientists. i if a scientist or the vast majority of scientists tell me that co2 is causing the planet to heat up, i go with it. >> i even if the scientists said i've based that just on one day's worth evidence , because day's worth of evidence, because that's what it is. well, that's just what it is. well, this think this is one year. and think about how old the planet or about how old the planet is or how time we've had wind in how much time we've had wind in this if you're if this country. if you're if you're going to come up with a solution crisis and solution to the crisis and you're estimate the you're going to estimate the amount of wind will be amount of wind that will be generated, just use one generated, and yet just use one year's data , how year's worth of data, how much wind sun going be wind and sun is going to be generated? yourself. >> be sympathetic to the >> i would be sympathetic to the scientists because 12 months is a batch time for you a decent batch of time for you to figure out how windy and ireland over a year over ireland is well over a year over an annual period. year ireland is well over a year over an ehavel period. year ireland is well over a year over an ehave winter,i. year ireland is well over a year over an ehave winter, maybe year ireland is well over a year over an ehave winter, maybe it's ar you have winter, maybe it's windier in the winter, maybe it's less windy in the summer. >> you having a laugh? no, >> are you having a laugh? no, i'm because even they know

i'm not, because even they know it's they know it's futile. no, even they know even would admit that even they would admit that. that was whole thing. i mean, two >> the whole thing. i mean, two of your guests, they're sort of ganging up of your guests, they're sort of ganging up guy of your guests, they're sort of ganging up guy in the ganging up on the guy in the middle and it's futility of middle, and it's the futility of it all that i find. so so desperate. it's the fact that we are doing like the port talbot , are doing like the port talbot, uh, steelworks closing down. it's the futility of it. i mean, those two jim and jonathan, the john was the guy's name. they and all of the like minded experts, they should really focus all of their attention and all of their efforts on countries that are just ignoring it. >> all right. let me, let me let me try another way to get through you on this. right through to you on this. right >> got through to me. >> you got through to me. >> you got through to me. >> choose >> it's just would you choose your football based your football team based on watching just one match over a season ? season? >> a terrible question. >> that's a terrible question. >> that's a terrible question. >> season . that's >> over a season. that's a terrible because . terrible season because. >> so you. >> so you. >> so you. >> so you're saying no. >> so you're saying no. >> gone for the jugular. >> gone for the jugular. >> it's the wrong analogy. football >> it not wrong analogy. >> it is not the wrong analogy. >> it is not the wrong analogy. >> it is because it is not support. no no no no no ho. 110. >> no. >> but based on the one match, if you ten teams from the if you had ten teams from the same based match, same place based on one match, which you support

which would you support a team based which would you support a team basimagine if i was flying into >> imagine if i was flying into the and the country like an american and i the country like an american and | , the country like an american and i , okay, i'm living i said, okay, i'm living here now. choose a now. i've got to choose a football team. i would pick whoever most successful football team. i would pick wh right? most successful is, right? >> i'd go with no, no, no, >> so i'd go with no, no, no, based on one match based. imagine none of them have played a based on a match and you chose based on one match that all played. one match you'd base it on the one match you'd base it on the one match i'd base it on whoever the best was, because i have no regional with regional connection with football. you're listening football. you're not listening to saying. no, to what i'm saying. i am. no, you're not you? no no, no, you're not using you? no no, no, you've the you've shifted the analogy. the analogy of analogy is about the amount of information you have on information that you have on something, if you're basing something, and if you're basing it which been the it on which one has been the most you're now it on which one has been the most it you're now it on which one has been the most it severalr're now it on which one has been the most it several matches and basing it on several matches and you've which ones are you've worked out which ones are the successful. i'm the most successful. but i'm saying base it on just one one match. i'll match. exactly. well, i'll choose best was, but choose whoever the best was, but that's why it's a bad analogy. it's analogy . you've it's not a bad analogy. you've just it's good just proved that it's a good one. christine >> oh dear. i can't believe it. with the greatest respect to the beautiful i you are beautiful game, i mean, you are trivialising something which is destroying country . i trivialising something which is destroying country. i mean, destroying this country. i mean, this rush to zero. you say this rush to net zero. you say science . it's as though all science. it's as though all scientists are . scientists are. >> i said the majority are

qualified . qualified. >> that's true, though. >> that's not true, though. >> that's not true, though. >> the majority of >> i said the majority of scientists. there's a huge push that all just swallow . that we should all just swallow. >> all stuff. there's lies. >> all this stuff. there's lies. damn statistics. damn lies. there's statistics. this net and you mentioned tata steel. why are closing down steel. why are we closing down the tata thing? because of the tata steel thing? because of a rush net zero. it's absurd. a rush to net zero. it's absurd. it will also windmills. >> it's not making >> apparently it's not making money, it's losing money and money, so it's losing money and things. so it's apparently a financial decision well financial decision as well as just know . so it's a just a, you know. so it's a business it's we business decision. it's a we asked is absolutely asked we are which is absolutely america is now virtually if not completely self—sufficient in her energy supplies. >> we are miles because they've done fracking. we aren't doing that. done fracking. we aren't doing that . could we could that. we could frack. we could keep our fossil fuel, keep going. our old fossil fuel, etc. etc. we're not doing that. we've got our heads in the sand. i theresa may. she brought i blame theresa may. she brought this net zero business. it is such a serious impact on the whole of this country. that is the sort of thing we should frankly have a referendum about it. want to to net it. do you want to rush to net zero, no ? zero, yes or no? >> but you know what happens all the there's all these the time. there's all these people in way try to stop

people in the way to try to stop you throwaway remark people in the way to try to stop you a throwaway remark people in the way to try to stop you a referendum.way remark about a referendum. >> time we >> but all the time we are exporting to places exporting our guilt to places like china and india. exporting our guilt to places like china and india . they are like china and india. they are belching stuff out . china is belching stuff out. china is building 250 coal fired power stations every week all over the world. somewhere they are belching out the carbon, etc. etc. um, she's you're telling me to stop ? to stop? >> no. not you. i'm talking to them . no. if i wanted to tell them. no. if i wanted to tell them. no. if i wanted to tell them to stop, the words would just be coming out of my mouth and so we are allowing them, frankly , to do our dirty work frankly, to do our dirty work for us. >> so it gives all our wokerati over here clean conscience . over here a clean conscience. >> so i'm wondering so, so are you saying so this is one year of data they've used. >> yes. of course can't like >> yes. of course you can't like it. like it. you don't like it. >> it's brilliant. it's brilliant because you even had to say best team , which to say the best team, which means would have means that you would have looked, their looked, assessed their performance of performance over a period of matches. the point. matches. that's the point. >> is far more serious than >> this is far more serious than football course you football. and of course you can't base anything on one can't base anything on just one yeah can't base anything on just one year. it's absurd. it is absurd. utterly >> but let's see what they think, because shows think, because this shows

nothing your nothing without you and your views. great views. let's welcome our great british voice. is their opportunity the show opportunity to be on the show and they and tell us what they think about we're about the topics we're discussing. we're discussing. they think we're mad . a full review. . i've got a full review. well done. to lee. done. i'm glad. let's go to lee. lee in bedfordshire . lee hi. >> the science is in, hi.— >> the science is in, um, correct with a lot of this net zero thing. you've got some scientists that will say, yeah, absolutely. we're going to be sort of like down in about 50 years time. >> we've other scientists >> we've got other scientists that saying that net zero, that are saying that net zero, we achieve it. we can't achieve it. >> we do 1% of it. there's about 0.4% carbon in the atmosphere . 0.4% carbon in the atmosphere. and the germans are now bringing in coal fired power stations . in coal fired power stations. chinese are definitely doing it. the indians are doing it because they know it's reliable. um, you know, so i don't know why we're going down this road and we've just seen, um, lately with the 3000 workers at port talbot , um, 3000 workers at port talbot, um, that have been made unemployed because of this rush for net zero. now i've some zero. now i've seen some of these up north, um, north these towns up north, um, north of newcastle, ashington . you of newcastle, ashington. you know, when the mines went nuts

thing ever replaced them. and i can that happening at port can see that happening at port talbot. know when that when talbot. you know when that when them nothing's going to them jobs go. nothing's going to replace we've been there. replace it. we've been there. we've you know. we've done it before you know. >> well it is a worry. but they would say that it's business would say that it's a business decision these things decision and that these things weren't profitable they had weren't profitable and they had to they could get to do it because they could get cheaper steel elsewhere and blah, think it's blah, blah, blah. i think it's i think it's commercial suicide blah, blah, blah. i think it's i think it's dangerous|l suicide blah, blah, blah. i think it's i think it's dangerous|l slthise and very dangerous for this country to be exposed in that way. that's how they way. but that that's how they see right. let's go to see it. right. let's go to gareth jones there in gareth wyn jones who's there in snowdonia, snowdonia. gareth good . good evening. >> um, yeah, honestly, it's just so frustrating. you know , so frustrating. you know, they're talking about culling 41,000 cows in ireland now to bnng 41,000 cows in ireland now to bring the nitrate levels down. >> you know, we had ruminants on god's earth before we were here. you know, there was bison and buffalo and farting and burping. excuse my language, but that's the truth. we need to address this situation. and i believe farmers are getting blamed for a lot of this . you know, you can lot of this. you know, you can see what's happened in germany. you can see what's happened in

the netherlands. it happened in canada. happened new canada. it's happened in new zealand. france zealand. it's happened in france . you know, this a push for . you know, this is a push for net zero. and it's going to make everybody very we everybody very, very hungry. we are ing into food are sleepwalk ing into food shortages . and not just that in shortages. and not just that in wales . now there is a talk about wales. now there is a talk about this new policy that 10% of every single family farm and farmland will have to have woodland on it, planted woodland. it's not forget nana that it's going to take 10 to 15 years for them trees. then to draw carbon in. so they aren't going to be, you know, a solution. so we're going to be hungry. we're going to have plenty of trees. >> i've got to move on because i'm getting towards the end of the show. but i love your contributions every time. thank you. bedfordshire . you. julie ford in bedfordshire. >> yeah. hi. i agree with everyone's, um, point. >> i don't think we're being blatantly lied to, but i certainly think we're not being told the entire truth. >> um, i agree with you that 12 months data isn't

months worth of data isn't enough to make any real decision . um, we could had good . um, we could have had good years, years. this years, bad years. this particular have particular data could have been on . um, also on a good year. um, but also from practical point of from the practical point of view, there's no joined up thinking and that all the thinking and we see that all the time government . time with this government. they're talbot, but they're closing port talbot, but there's to replace it. there's nothing to replace it. and that's the problem . and and that's the problem. and i think he's quick think with rishi, he's too quick to panic do something that to panic and do something that makes it look like he's actually being proactive when realistically he's making it worse. >> well, listen, we've got about 30s you . um, so go for it. 30s for you. um, so go for it. adrian, 30s super fast . adrian, 30s super fast. >> i'll be as quick as i can. yeah. okay. >> his net zero built on lies. >> his net zero built on lies. >> it's all about massaging figures, isn't it? >> really? and it's also the difference between fibs and lies. you know how serious is a lie? >> how serious is a fib ? is fib. >> that lot is an awful lot, lot better. and is brilliant. 12 months worth of figures worth looking at. >> you need to go back an awful lot further than that to produce some decent exactly , exactly. some decent exactly, exactly. >> and to be perfectly honest,

any any government in in power is going to massage the figures to suit themselves , which is to suit themselves, which is what both parties are doing at the moment. well, i've got to 90, the moment. well, i've got to go, adrian. >> i've got to go. but i think you're super. thank you very much. thank you very much, adrian. thank so much. adrian. jill, thank you so much. julie. bedford , gareth julie. julie in bedford, gareth wyn jones and also leigh. uh, right . well, it's time now for right. well, it's time now for supplement sunday. this is the part of the show where i test my panel on some of the other stories that have hit the headlines. so joining me, christine hamilton and also danny kelly, who wants to go first? i'm going start with first? i'm going to start with the telegraph. i'll do mine after christine hamilton. what's your story? >> right. well mine comes from the mail on sunday. this is this is unbelievable . if you're tall the mail on sunday. this is this is ulyou'veable . if you're tall the mail on sunday. this is this is ulyou've got . if you're tall the mail on sunday. this is this is ulyou've got big you're tall the mail on sunday. this is this is ulyou've got big feet,'e tall the mail on sunday. this is this is ulyou've got big feet, youll and you've got big feet, you cannot drive. one the new eco cannot drive. one of the new eco friendly ambulances is a whole pile these ambulances have pile of these ambulances have been nhs to meet been bought by the nhs to meet their targets across the their green targets across the country. but lo and behold , if country. but lo and behold, if you've got size, feet and above , you've got size, feet and above, you've got size, feet and above,

you use them because your you can't use them because your toe boots big to toe cap boots are too big to move across. >> pedal . you didn't say the >> pedal. you didn't say the size, did i not say size 12? you said size feet. oh, size feet. >> okay, size 12 and above. well, . kelly well, lots of chaps. danny kelly i finished. no . i haven't finished. no, no. >> having to. >> well they're having to. they're having bin these they're having to bin all these ambulances . ambulances. >> danny. another stupid decision by the nhs. >> want to live to 100? well, apparently . well, you're closer apparently. well, you're closer to it than the nana. >> and i get on with it. >> and i get on with it. >> basically, the important thing about when you get old is to remain in a social group. okay? quit smoking all of that sort stuff, but remain social. >> and i literally don't have time for my mum. but i can tell you now, a piece that i you now, it's a piece that i wrote the mail on sunday wrote in the mail on sunday about the wokery that's happening wonderful happening with that wonderful show the apprentice. you need a backstory to get any investment, by things. but yes, by the looks of things. but yes, we'll listen on today's show. i've we i've been asking, are we ready for war? and according to my twitter poll, 13.8% of you say yes and 86.2% if you say no . yes and 86.2% if you say no. thank you so much to my panel, author and broadcaster christine hamilton. also broadcaster hamilton. and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. and

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