tv The Camilla Tominey Show GB News January 21, 2024 6:00pm-7:01pm GMT
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the rain has arrived too , and the rain has arrived too, and it's going to get a whole lot worse tonight. this is the ninth named storm of the season , and named storm of the season, and what makes this one unique is that it's going to affect the whole of the uk. the met office is saying make sure that everything in your garden is secure and fixed down. the risk from flying debris is very , very from flying debris is very, very real indeed. avoid coastal paths and avoid rural paths too. the best thing you can do is to stay indoors . indoors. >> all flights coming into
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london's heathrow airport are experiencing some shaky landings , as the windy conditions are creating frightening conditions for passengers , with several for passengers, with several flights spotted looking unsteady as they descended . into as they descended. into britain's main airport. some some flights have also been cancelled and labour says the government's rwanda bill won't act as a deterrent to migrants entering britain illegally. the plan would see asylum seekers arriving uk sent to arriving in the uk sent to rwanda to have their claims processed. speaking to gb news presenter camilla tominey shadow immigration minister stephen kinnock said tackling the crisis depends upon international cooperation . cooperation. >> listen, there's no way that shipping perhaps 1% of the number of people that come across the channel on small boats to rwanda is ever going to act as a deterrent . you're act as a deterrent. you're deaung act as a deterrent. you're dealing with people who are fleeing violence and persecution by stopping, wasting so much time on rwanda, which is just a gimmick that is doomed to failure. let's plough much more
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resource and time and energy into doing some of the things that have worked, like the albania support albania deal. we fully support the how many other the albania deal. how many other that as deterrent? that has worked as a deterrent? >> murder investigation is >> a murder investigation is underway a teenager was underway after a teenager was stabbed birmingham city stabbed in birmingham city centre . west midlands police say centre. west midlands police say officers were called to victoria square after the 17 year old was found seriously injured yesterday. he was rushed to hospital but later died. anyone who may have taken pictures in the area around the river statue on saturday afternoon is being urged to contact police. there's been an explosion at a major gas terminal in the baltic sea near russia, in a suspected drone strike from ukraine. fire fighters are battling flames at the site after reports from ukrainian media suggest a special operation was carried out by security services. ukraine's government has not claimed responsibility . novatek claimed responsibility. novatek is russia's largest natural gas producer. it's now been forced to stop operations at the site .
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to stop operations at the site. the royal navy's defences are to be boosted with £405 million of funding, amid escalating global tensions. missiles. funding, amid escalating global tensions. missiles . that have tensions. missiles. that have been used to defend ships in the red sea will be upgraded, making it the uk's most capable naval air defence system ever developed. defence secretary grant shapps told gb news that britain taking lead. we're . britain is taking a lead. we're. investing £288,000,000,000 billion over the next decade to make sure that we do pump more money into our military, into our equipment and that we can safely defend ourselves and britain's leading the way. >> as i said, in ukraine. but actually also this week, i announced an operation in europe called steadfast defender , which called steadfast defender, which is a nato operation at which the united kingdom is providing 40% of the ground troops and 50% of the overall personnel , even the overall personnel, even though there were 32 countries in total involved in this. so we really are leading from the
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front in the uk. >> the skies above berlin were lit up last night as a rare meteor was spotted . researcher meteor was spotted. researcher michael i, who managed to capture the moment on camera , capture the moment on camera, told reporters he was just about told reporters he was just about to take his dog for a walk when a colleague told him to keep his eyes on the sky. experts say it's only the eighth time it's ever been possible to predict the exact time of a meteor . ever been possible to predict the exact time of a meteor. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker. in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker . just and on your smart speaker. just say play gb news. now it's time for the camilla tominey show . for the camilla tominey show. good morning to you. >> welcome to the camilla tominey show. it's been another busy week for us in westminster. rishi sunak did just about get
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his rwanda bill through the house of commons, despite opposition from left and right, the legislation is the controversial legislation is now set to go to the house of lords , but with some peers lords, but with some peers threatening sabotage, will it remain intact? i'll be asking exactly that of defence secretary grant shapps, who will also give us an update on the wars in ukraine and the middle east. i'll also be joined by shadow immigration minister steve kinnock. what's labour's plan boats? i'll be plan to stop the boats? i'll be speaking to robert jenrick, the man who resigned as immigration minister after saying the legislation wasn't legislation just wasn't tough enough. legislation just wasn't tough enough . and after both the king enough. and after both the king and the princess of wales revealed health problems this week, i'll speak to an authority on royal. the author on all things royal. the author and journalist hardman . and journalist robert hardman. welcome back to the camilla tominey show grant shapps. the defence secretary joins me now. he's also the tory mp for welwyn hatfield. mr shapps, lovely to see you this morning. thank you for sparing the time. um, the chair of nato's military committee, dutch admiral rob bauen committee, dutch admiral rob bauer, given strong
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bauer, has given a strong indication could be at indication that nato could be at war with russia within 20 years. do you agree with that assessment ? assessment? >> i mean, the truth of the matter is, as i said in my speech on on monday at lancaster house here in london, and the comments from nato are really reflecting and echoing , that is, reflecting and echoing, that is, no one really knows, which is why we need to be prepared for whatever comes. i don't think it's inevitable . i think it it's inevitable. i think it dependsin it's inevitable. i think it depends in no small part what depends in no small part on what happens putin in ukraine, happens with putin in ukraine, where he simply cannot be allowed win that war, where allowed to win that war, where he walked in on a democratic neighbour and invaded. and our response is part of making sure that he doesn't feel that he's emboldened enough to go to war. >> are we well prepared enough , >> are we well prepared enough, though? i note general lord dannatt, who, of course, was the former chief of the general staff. he said, quote, the woeful state of our armed forces in the mid 1930s failed to deter hitler or prevent the second world war in the holocaust . world war in the holocaust. there is a serious danger of
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history repeating itself . the history repeating itself. the government or the next one should commit now to spending 3% of gdp on defence. he's not wrong, is he? at the moment, i believe you're at 12. 1. you need to get to 2.5. but surely in light of the threat not just from russia but also china and what's going on in the red sea right now , defence spending right now, defence spending should be at 3, shouldn't it? minister >> oh, well, our defence spending is the largest it's ever been at over £50 billion. and it's about two and a quarter probably. right now. um, and we agree it needs to go higher. in fact, the government's committed as conditions allow to go to 2.5. and we think that is absolutely right to go in that. in fact , my entire speech on in fact, my entire speech on monday was about this subject, about how we prepare for what is undoubtedly a more dangerous world. so you're seeing everybody commenting in different ways about the state of the world, nato uh, richard dannatt there, as you just mentioned, and we're at myself on monday, we're all concerned
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that we need to have that plan in place. and we have a plan, and we're investing £288,000,000,000 billion over the next decade to make sure that we do pump more money into our military, into our equipment , and that we can safely defend ourselves and britain's leading the way. as i said, in ukraine. but actually also this week, i announced an operation in europe called steadfast defender , which called steadfast defender, which is a nato operation at which the united kingdom is providing 40% of the ground troops and 50% of the overall personnel , even the overall personnel, even though there were 32 countries in total involved in this. >> and your colleague robert jenrick has called for both the houthis and indeed the iranian revolution guard corps, both to be proscribed as terrorist groups. what's your reaction to that ? that? >> well, we always keep prescription under very , very prescription under very, very close review. there are always pros and cons with with doing this, you lose diplomats relations. uh, and that type of thing when it comes to the
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houthis in particular. and as i say, i've just been down to the red sea. they don't have , uh, red sea. they don't have, uh, very much connectivity , uh, to very much connectivity, uh, to this country in the same way. but we'll look at that very carefully. we are already ensuring that we have quite a number of their individual leads who are already sanctioned in this country . who are already sanctioned in this country. but i know who are already sanctioned in this country . but i know the this country. but i know the home secretary will be looking at all of that very carefully. indeed. i mean, isn't iran at the root of a lot of these problems? >> what's the uk doing about iran in general? yes yes. >> if you look at that situation throughout the region, throughout the region, throughout the region, throughout the middle east, you've got the iranian backed houthis, you've got lebanese hezbollah, got hamas hezbollah, you've got hamas themselves by iran , themselves trained by iran, you've got militant groups in iraq and in syria. they are firmly behind a lot of these problems. and we are increasing our pressure on them . in fact, our pressure on them. in fact, you know, because there are diplomatic relations, for example , the foreign secretary example, the foreign secretary has been speaking to his iranian opposite number and saying, you have to put a lid on this. we
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understand. well, is he listening? tell us that they don't want to see this, this conflict clearly , not when it conflict clearly, not when it comes to the houthis , for comes to the houthis, for example. it's a very, very example. and it's a very, very dangerous game for them to be playing. and calling on playing. and we are calling on them others like china, who them and others like china, who have interest, example , have an interest, for example, particularly in trade that particularly in the trade that comes through red and comes through the red sea and the suez canal , to make the suez canal, to make that message, particularly clear to the iranians that this no good can come of this , and they need can come of this, and they need to calm and cool the situation in the region. if unelected peers try and block the rwanda bill through the house of lords, do you think the government should consider reforming the house of lords ? well, look, the house of lords? well, look, the people i'm most concerned about who will block it in there are keir starmers labour party. we don't have a majority in the house of lords because labour can block us in coalition with the lib dems, so the person who can unblock this in the lords rather than saying peers are blocking it, it's labour who'll
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be blocking it, they're blocking it, but they don't. they can't say what they would do about these small boats. they don't even have a plan. we have a plan. we're carrying it out. we've seen the of small we've seen the number of small boats crossings being slashed by 36% this year, which has been exceptional. all like to go exceptional. all we'd like to go further, think the rwanda further, we think the rwanda plan that . keir plan is part of that. keir starmer no plan. he'll take starmer has no plan. he'll take us square one. he us right back to square one. he even last on even said last week on television that even if the rwanda plan is working and stopping the small boats, he would overturn it if he would still overturn it if he were to get elected. he has no plan. he'd take us back to square one, although square this circle for us, please, mr shapps, on one hand, you've introduced rwanda act introduced a rwanda bill to act as deterrent people coming as a deterrent to people coming here by illegal boat crossing place saying asylum. >> you say they're economic migrants . we now understand, migrants. we now understand, according to a front page story on the telegraph. yes saturday, that 16,000 asylum seekers who came here illegally have been allowed to work. what message does that send out to people who
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are paying people smugglers? thousands to come here? on one hand, it's meant to be a deterrent. this bill on the other, people are coming here illegally and you're handing them work. well look, i don't know the specifics of that individual. those are the specifics. i just stated them. >> sure. what i was going to say is what i do know for sure is that we have taken measure after measure, including multiple bills through parliament, in order to try to crack down on this problem, not without success, as i say, a slash of well over a third in terms of the numbers travelling here by small boats in 2023. so it's been working every single thing that we have done has been absolutely opposed by the lawyer keir starmer , who has spent his keir starmer, who has spent his entire career defending what he calls the human rights of people who are being people trafficked illegally, dangerously by these people, of people smugglers, 16,000 of them have been handed
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jobs. >> so i'm we spoke earlier. i spoke to patrick o'flynn, my paper reviewer, about the response to that by a telegraph reader to this story. a man called matthew mckay. he said he was 50 years old, 58 years old. he's from a white working class family. he's got three children. his wife's a care worker. he said, can anybody tell me why i bother? what is the point of working when so many now, including illegal immigrants, seem to be respected more and certainly looked after better? what is the point in getting up every morning and trying to look after my country? when my country has turned its back on? hard working people like me? he's right , hard working people like me? he's right, isn't he? minister >> no, i don't think that is a fair reflection at all. we have record low unemployment in this country, record high levels of employment. there are jobs . country, record high levels of employment. there are jobs. in fact, we were just talking about the lack of the problems of recruiting. a few moments ago. there are jobs for people in
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this country. we also have developed , as i say, in terms of developed, as i say, in terms of that illegal migration, those small boats, a whole series of different bills, acts of law. >> but why is the government prevent this? allowing illegal migrants s illegal migrants to work ? is it because, as we all work? is it because, as we all suspect, the home office is a basket case and can't keep track of half these people ? of half these people? >> well, look, as i say and i don't know the specific answers to that particular case. >> i thought that you should they be working these illegal migrants, but what i but but what i do know is that we have consistently tightened up the rules to make sure that that people can't come here and then claim asylum. >> if they are, in fact, economic migrants. >> if they are, in fact, economic migrants . and that is a economic migrants. and that is a very, very key point, all of which would be overturned by keir starmer and the labour party because they have forced us tooth and nail. they can't say what they would do. they don't have a plan to sort it
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out. >> you can't answer my question, but they're very happy to tell there. well, i'm afraid i'm going to try for a final time. i'm going to a final. i'm going to try a final. >> you can a final time, mr >> you can just a final time, mr shapps. >> people coming here >> should people coming here illegally by boat be allowed to work? yes or no? >> the answer is, >> i think the answer is, i think in general, the answer is clearly no, because if they're illegal migrants, i don't know the the which the specifics of the case, which i've very, very clear about i've been very, very clear about . think the principle , . but i do think the principle, what lies behind it. >> mr shapps, we need to leave it there. >> very clear about not allowing people come illegally. people to come here illegally. and that's fought against and that's been fought against by keir starmer. >> much your >> thank you so much for your time defence time this morning. defence secretary next come up on the secretary next to come up on the show be stephen kinnock, show will be stephen kinnock, who's going us labour's who's going to give us labour's answers to rwanda. don't go anywhere. jiffy anywhere. be back in a jiffy. >> good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather. i'm ellie glaisyer storm isha will bnng ellie glaisyer storm isha will bring some very heavy rain and
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some strong winds across the uk overnight tonight and into monday morning, as it pushes its way north and eastwards across western parts of scotland. this evening, bringing some very heavy rain , particularly to heavy rain, particularly to those parts uk . those western parts of the uk. that rain will continue to push its way north and eastwards through the evening and overnight, is through the overnight, and is through the early of monday morning early hours of monday morning that start to that those winds really start to pick of 60 to 75 miles pick up. gusts of 60 to 75 miles an across those western an hour across those western coasts, perhaps as 90 coasts, perhaps as high as 90 across of scotland. and it across parts of scotland. and it will be a mild night as will be a very mild night as well, particularly compared to what recently , maybe what we've seen recently, maybe 8 or 9 degrees across south 8 or 9 degrees across the south east, very windy start to the east, a very windy start to the day on monday, though those winds ease a touch through winds will ease a touch through the early of the morning, the early hours of the morning, but remaining but still remaining very blustery the uk into blustery across the uk into monday afternoon . showers quite monday afternoon. showers quite widely pushing in from the west into afternoon as well , into monday afternoon as well, perhaps turning wintry across the high ground of the very high ground of scotland. there will some scotland. there will be some sunshine very far sunshine across the very far southeast temperatures here, maybe degrees, and maybe 10 or 11 degrees, and elsewhere around the mid single figures. tuesday we'll start a
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little bit drier for some, particularly along eastern parts of england, but that doesn't last this next system last very long. this next system pushing west as we pushing in from the west as we go through tuesday afternoon, bringing heavy rain bringing some further heavy rain , western parts , particularly to western parts of , north—west england of scotland, north—west england and wales, well , of scotland, north—west england and wales, well, and and into wales, as well, and some winds associated some strong winds associated with . something a little with that. something a little dner with that. something a little drier wednesday, but further drier on wednesday, but further wet windy weather later in wet and windy weather later in the
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>> you're listening to gb news radio . welcome back to the radio. welcome back to the camilla tominey show. >> still lots more to come in. just a minute. i'm going to be speaking to stephen kinnock, shadow immigration minister robert former robert jenrick, former immigration minister who resigned government's resigned over the government's rwanda bill, was also join me in the be speaking to the studio. i'll be speaking to lord carlile. lord alex carlile. he's a crossbench will he try and crossbench peer. will he try and frustrate rwanda bill as it frustrate the rwanda bill as it passes into the house of lords ? passes into the house of lords? and the labour mp barry gardiner is going to be joining to is going to be joining me to discuss thinks leaseholds discuss why he thinks leaseholds should and robert should be scrapped and robert hardman, royal who's hardman, the royal expert who's written is written the book everyone is talking will also be in talking about, will also be in the studio. a jam packed show
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the studio. so a jam packed show still for the next hour. don't go stephen kinnock, go anywhere. stephen kinnock, shadow minister and shadow immigration minister and the aberavon , uh, the labour mp for aberavon, uh, also joins me now in the studio. the tata steel plant in port talbot is in his constituency. i'm going to you about that i'm going to ask you about that in just a moment. first in just a moment. stephen, first of don't know if you did of all, i don't know if you did catch grant shapps because i know were doing know you were doing other interviews morning. interviews this morning. uh, the defence secretary basically saying fails saying if the rwanda bill fails in of lords, it's all in the house of lords, it's all labour's fault. well is labour's fault. well this is typical of we hear from typical of what we hear from conservative typical of what we hear from con theytive want typical of what we hear from contheytive want to blame >> they just want to blame everybody rather than if you block it. >> mean, you know, you've got >> i mean, you know, you've got an government who's got an elected government who's got this through, albeit this legislation through, albeit the was the rebellion that was threatened didn't materialise. so speaking, it so democratic speaking, it should go through the house of lords on challenge by labour, shouldn't it? but they're constantly trying to blame everyone than responsibility. >> blame labour, they blame >> they blame labour, they blame lawyers , they blame judges, they lawyers, they blame judges, they blame the european union, they blame the european union, they blame anyone rather than taking responsibility. they are the government day. they have government of the day. they have a in the lords, yes, a majority in the lords, yes, and majority the commons. and a majority in the commons. so this idea that we block
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things is complete nonsense. >> that are >> they're saying that you are blocking attempts stop blocking their attempts to stop the boats. i mean, presumably you want to stop the boats. you do want to stop the boats. labour wants stop 100, of labour wants to stop 100, of course. you should course. therefore, you should support legislation that's course. therefore, you should supp(designed]islation that's course. therefore, you should supp(designed to ation that's course. therefore, you should supp(designed to dom that's course. therefore, you should supp(designed to dom thayou been designed to do that. you should probably encouraged, should probably be encouraged, in some of the in fact, that some of the righties of the tory party didn't succeed in their amendments, which would have toughened actually, toughened the law up. actually, it was supported by the one nafion it was supported by the one nation left nation group that are more left leaning party that leaning in the tory party that should party should make the labour party happy, that it's not the sort of right wing legislation that people bit people feared, that it's a bit softer and therefore it should go through the upper chamber unchallenged. well you want to stop boats? stop the boats? >> we voted against the >> well, we voted against the right wing amendments that came forward would forward because they would be undermining forward because they would be unthenining law. and we would to the rule of law. and we would never support that. this bill will be like any other will be treated like any other bill the house of lords. the bill in the house of lords. the job the house of lords is to job of the house of lords is to scrutinise this. it's a revising chamber. it looks legislation chamber. it looks at legislation and out its and it seeks to point out its weaknesses looks improve weaknesses and looks to improve them. of the day, them. but at the end of the day, every bill that goes through the will people here, would you? >>i you? >> i mean, it's a democratically
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elected government that's come up this legislation the up with this legislation in the labour i labour party is called, i believe, house of lords believe, for the house of lords to scrapped in the past . so to be scrapped in the past. so you wouldn't want to be supporting peers supporting unelected peers blocking that's blocking legislation that's going the boats, going to stop the boats, would you? >> their job is you? >> theirjob is to scrutinise and revise and seek to and to revise and seek to improve. you look at improve. but if you look at things the illegal things like the illegal migration and migration bill a complete and utter that's been utter waste of time, that's been totally and totally counterproductive and the even the government hasn't even enacted because it just enacted the bill because it just makes everything worse. but we didn't mean, it went didn't block it. i mean, it went through the there was through in the end. there was a lot in the parliamentary tum lot of in the parliamentary tum ping lot of in the parliamentary tum ping where two chambers ping pong where the two chambers talked other, seek talked to each other, seek to amend, seek revise. but at amend, seek to revise. but at the of the day, the the end of the day, the government has a majority in the commons and a majority in the lords. so frankly, of this lords. so frankly, all of this is a big red herring, uh, is just a big red herring, uh, because never because the government never wants for wants to take responsibility for its own actions. i am a failure at the moment. >> seem be sort of >> you seem to be sort of attributing great of attributing a great deal of responsibility of responsibility to the house of lords to sort of scrutinise and change and make better legislation. but hang on a minute. wants scrap minute. labour wants to scrap the house of lords. why the house of lords. so why are you supporting house of you supporting the house of lords with this lords doing anything with this bill? you don't want these
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bill? if you don't want these peers in the first peers to be there in the first place? well we a system place? well we have a system based on parliamentary democracy. >> are two chambers. >> there are two chambers. there's the house of lords and the house of commons chamber. right. it clear the house of commons chamber. right. the it clear the house of commons chamber. right. the gordon it clear the house of commons chamber. right. the gordon brown it clear the house of commons chamber. right. the gordon brown review under the gordon brown review that review and look that we want to review and look at options. there are at different options. there are clearly, clearly serious questions democratic questions about the democratic legitimacy of the house of lords. >> lords exercising too much power, but where are power, then, but where we are now having a house now in terms of having a house of lords with the function that it has in our parliamentary democratic system is its job is to scrutinise and revise . to scrutinise and revise. >> can have a debate >> now we can have a debate about whether or not we should have house lords all, have the house of lords at all, or whether should be a or whether it should be a democratically elected chamber. but are today, has but where we are today, it has a job do, which is to job to do, which is to scrutinise legislation it scrutinise legislation and it will rwanda bill, will scrutinise the rwanda bill, like any other bill. but there won't be any special measures for any special for it, any special consideration actually, we will go usual way. go through in the usual way. >> do you think if labour are in power, you move towards power, would you move towards and campaign to scrap and support a campaign to scrap the lords if we are the house of lords if we are fortunate enough to the next fortunate enough to win the next general election, there's going to things to to be a huge number of things to do be we'll
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do because we'll be we'll be inheriting, be inheriting inheriting, we'll be inheriting a disaster the a disaster, disaster on the economy. be one of them. >> house of lords, 7.8 >> the house of lords, 7.8 million people nhs waiting million people on nhs waiting lists, services crumbling i >> k- k that you're not >> noting that you're not answering we would answering my question, we would you to scrapping house you look to scrapping the house of yes or no? of lords, yes or no? >> something that we're >> it is something that we're looking we're reviewing, looking at and we're reviewing, but be a priority but it will not be a priority because the disaster that because of the disaster that we'll be inheriting. >> when it comes to labour's deterrent, i know what you've been in yvette cooper, deterrent, i know what you've beencolleague yvette cooper, deterrent, i know what you've beencolleague yvette co'saying your colleague has been saying about, trying smash about, you know, trying to smash the smuggling gangs. i mean, these are pan—europe criminals seeming, uh, of, you know , seeming, uh, kind of, you know, taking the for a ride , to be taking the law for a ride, to be perfectly honest, because we heard at the weekend stories of migrants paying up to £10,000 for more robust sea faring vessels to take them across the channel. even though you and i know that that could be a recipe for disaster. so you must at least appreciate the bill's capacity to perhaps act as a deterrent. >> it doesn't have any chance of being a deterrent. what deterrent would labour introduce then? on the bill, then? well, just on the bill, there's no way that shipping
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perhaps 1% of the number of people that come across the channel small boats to rwanda channel on small boats to rwanda is ever to act as a is ever going to act as a deterrent . you're dealing with deterrent. you're dealing with people are fleeing violence people who are fleeing violence and often and persecution, have often risked limb to cross risked life and limb to cross continents than continents rather than criticising conservatives criticising the conservatives >> your policy? what's >> what's your policy? what's your deterrent ? >> what's your policy? what's you so eterrent ? >> what's your policy? what's youso eteistopping, wasting so >> so by stopping, wasting so much time on rwanda, which is just a gimmick that is doomed to failure , let's plough much more failure, let's plough much more resource and time and energy into doing some of the things that have worked, like the albania deal. we fully support that have worked, like the albialbania l. we fully support that have worked, like the albialbania deal fully support that have worked, like the albialbania deal andy support that have worked, like the albialbania deal and that»port that have worked, like the albialbania deal and that has the albania deal and that has worked as a deterrent. >> you're at risk of >> you're not at risk of persecution. it's ludicrous >> you're not at risk of persto ution. it's ludicrous >> you're not at risk of persto be�*n. it's ludicrous >> you're not at risk of persto be seeking|dicrous >> you're not at risk of persto be seeking asylum. don't you to be seeking asylum. don't do it. which other countries would to see an albania would you like to see an albania style coming style deal with? who's coming here shouldn't here? style deal with? who's coming herkinnock?)uldn't here? mr kinnock? >> we're seeing large >> well, we're seeing large numbers coming numbers of indians coming across. have supported the across. we have supported the government on india government on making india a safe people also coming safe country. people also coming from countries like georgia, we've supported the government making a country. making georgia a safe country. so there are many more deals you can do to facilitate removals. but from our but of course removals from our country dropped by 30% country have dropped by 30%
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since 2010. if you're not removing people who failed to get asylum , then the entire get asylum, then the entire system gets clogged up . and system gets clogged up. and that's one of the reasons we have this massive backlog. that's one of the reasons we hathat massive backlog. that's one of the reasons we hathat massivmakezlog. that's one of the reasons we hathat massivmake ofg. that's one of the reasons we hathat massivmake of this >> what do you make of this 16,000 people who arrived here illegally were given illegally and then were given work? one of the work? well uh, one of the reasons you get that is because the huge backlog , the more you the huge backlog, the more you have people 2005, the have more people in 2005, the decision was taken allow decision was taken to allow people to after 12 months. people to work after 12 months. >> should waiting for >> nobody should be waiting for their asylum claim to be processed more than six processed for more than six months. well, what we months. well, what would what we would would get would do is get the we would get the backlog down and we the asylum backlog down and we would the that it takes would get the time that it takes to be processed. how would you get six months by huge get down to six months by huge investment in immigration enforcement, officers enforcement, 1000 new officers going returns unit. going into a new returns unit. so getting people out . we so you're getting people out. we would ramping that up from would be ramping that up from day of a labour government. day one of a labour government. >> so how quickly would you get 1000 in place? do you think? >> think it about >> i think it takes about six months get to that number. months to get up to that number. and then of course, a little bit of time for training. but eventually you've got a situation getting eventually you've got a situ backlog getting eventually you've got a situ backlog down getting eventually you've got a situ backlog down through:ing the backlog down through removals you processing removals and you are processing
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people quickly . we people far more quickly. we would 1250 new caseworkers would surge 1250 new caseworkers and decision makers, and that gets people out of the system well under the 12 month time penod well under the 12 month time period with after which you're allowed to work. so the reason that people are coming into the labour market in this way is because of the backlog . you've because of the backlog. you've got to deal with the causes of the issue, not just economic migrants, not asylum seekers, though. >> i mean, yvette cooper seems to think that anybody coming by boat seeker. boat is ergo an asylum seeker. that's it? that's wrong, isn't it? >> you get asylum, you >> no. if you get asylum, you know, you apply for asylum. if you're asylum, you get you're granted asylum, you get leave remain and you have the leave to remain and you have the right to work. and i think we want that. we want people who are asylum seekers are genuine asylum seekers and genuine contribute to genuine refugees contribute to our and often end our economy, and often they end up contributing huge amounts to our economy, and often they end up isocietyiting huge amounts to our economy, and often they end up isocietyitin and ge amounts to our economy, and often they end up isocietyitin and ge eeconomy.» our society to and our economy. but be done through the but it can't be done through the back it has be based on back door. it has to be based on a and rapid processing a robust and rapid processing system. quick final question on port talbot, because it is in your constituency, hand, your constituency, on one hand, labour have know, it's labour have said, you know, it's an outrage. >> closing of >> the closing down of these steelworks to cost 2800 steelworks is going to cost 2800 jobs, been done for the
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jobs, yet it's been done for the very reason that labour is pushing it's being to meet pushing. it's being done to meet this net zero target. you this net zero target. so you can't ways, can can't have it both ways, can you? can't have your cake you? you can't have your cake and for net zero and eat it, push for net zero and eat it, push for net zero and then complain about job losses. the is this losses. well the problem is this deal the government has deal that the government has done with tata steel got done with tata steel has got nothing do with nothing to do with decarbonisation, because it's based importing millions based on importing millions of tons india. tons of steel from india. i know, every time the know, but every time the government's come up zero government's come up with zero target, you've been backing it government's come up with zero targ�*then»u've been backing it government's come up with zero targ�*then some.een backing it government's come up with zero targ�*then some. you backing it government's come up with zero targ�*then some. you want1g it government's come up with zero targ�*then some. you want net: government's come up with zero targ�*then some. you want net zero and then some. you want net zero on steroids. >> support decarbonisation. >> we support decarbonisation. we is we feel that the planet is burning, also see that burning, but we also see that decarbonising nation can create jobs. but you can't have a deal which is based on importing millions of tonnes of steel from india, where steelmaking is 30 to 40% more carbon intensive than united kingdom. the than in the united kingdom. the deal tata steel has deal that the tata steel has done the government is the done with the government is the wrong deal. it's a bad deal. they should back the compelling multi—union back multi—union deal and back labour's £3 billion clean steel fund, which would work in partnership with our steel makers to get us to a bridge to a future rather than a cliff edge. >> although very, very quickly,
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we find that your green prosperity plan now, labour insiders are saying, don't mention the 28 billion because you're not able to commit to that pledge. >> i don't know where those lines have come from. we are committed ramping up to committed to ramping up to 28 billion the half of billion in the second half of our our labour first labour our of our labour first labour terme. it takes some terme. of course, it takes some time to identify the right projects and in the right projects and invest in the right way. and a big part of the way. but and a big part of the 28 billion, of course, is the three, the £3 billion clean steel one example of what steel fund. one example of what we terms of driving we will do in terms of driving decarbonisation without deindustrialisation . deindustrialisation. >> thank you very much indeed for joining this morning. forjoining me this morning. stephen go stephen kinnock, don't go anywhere break anywhere because after the break i'm to be speaking to i'm going to be speaking to robert , the who quit robert jenrick, the man who quit as immigration minister, because he government's he thought the government's rwanda far rwanda plan didn't go far enough. anywhere
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tominey show. thank you for your company. this sunday morning, robert joins me now. he robert jenrick joins me now. he was immigration minister was the immigration minister before his resignation over the rwanda also tory mp rwanda bill. he's also tory mp for newark robert, lovely for newark. robert, lovely to see morning. good see you this morning. good morning. for having me. morning. thanks for having me. i'm in political i'm interested in your political journey. you sort journey. on one hand, you sort of into cabinet because you of came into cabinet because you were rishi sunak ally and now you seem to have done a pivot towards suella braverman sort of siding with the right of the party. how's that come about? well i've always believed very strongly on these issues, particularly on immigration. >> i think the illegal migration is doing untold to our is doing untold damage to our country , and the stakes are country, and the stakes are extremely high, and we have to take action and legal migration was a promise that we made, not just in our last manifesto , but just in our last manifesto, but in manifesto for nigh on in every manifesto for nigh on 30 years. and yet we're living in a country where three quarters of a million people are coming in legally every year, and so on. these two issues and others , i feel extremely others, i feel extremely strongly , and we need to take strongly, and we need to take
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greater action as a government to protect the country from this great challenge . great challenge. >> but you're saying that this rwanda bill isn't tough enough? i mean, obviously there's been warnings from the likes of isaac levido and others about the conservatives campaign for the general election being undermined like you. undermined by people like you. you know, it's unite or die. you can understand that perspective. i mean, the bill's gone through this rebellion fizzled out. why why that? why was that? >> well , look, i will continue >> well, look, i will continue to make the argument. you're right to say that , um, the right to say that, um, the government won the votes in the house of commons and the amendments that i put forward were ultimately un successful. i chose to against the bill chose to vote against the bill because felt that it's a weak because i felt that it's a weak bill ultimately won't work, bill that ultimately won't work, and we will have to see now, if in august, there are still small boats crossing the channel then it will be shown that my argument was right and the government was wrong. but i hope, of course, that the prime minister is successful because i want to see the small boats stop. i think this is doing immense damage. think of the hotels. billions of pounds
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hotels. the billions of pounds have the people have been wasted. the people who are channel, the are dying in the channel, the people smugglers that are feasting appalling feasting on this appalling trade. the trade. and i want to see the small boats stop up. i believe that the way to do that is through the most robust action, and view formed. having and that view is formed. having travelled the world, travelled around the world, having only having seen that the only countries in the world that have fixed this problem, australia and greece in recent chose and greece in recent years chose to hardest path . that's to take the hardest path. that's what i was proposing. the prime minister ultimately to do minister ultimately wanted to do a way. a different way. >> wouldn't you. >> wouldn't listen to you. i mean, and suella were at the mean, you and suella were at the sharp things at the home sharp end of things at the home office. um i mean, is it poor leadership skills? is lack leadership skills? is it a lack of of the economic of understanding of the economic the electoral calamity? he faces with the threat from reform ? with the threat from reform? what is he, pigheaded? what's the answer? >> i think you have to ask him. i think he genuinely. he genuinely believes that the bill that he is proposing will work. itake that he is proposing will work. i take a different view and we'll we'll have to see whether he just being naive. >> is he naive? what is this? >> is he naive? what is this? >> well, i don't know. i'm not going to comment on the prime
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minister's motivations. i think he he understands the problem . he he understands the problem. but me, having seen it at the but to me, having seen it at the absolute sharp end , having absolute sharp end, having visited residents of dover whose homes have been broken into by illegal migrants, having seen the aftermath of riots in knowsley , where there was a knowsley, where there was a hotel that created immense community issues. having been to nonh community issues. having been to north africa and seen the people smugglers and traffickers in places like algeria and tunisia and libya . i think this is an and libya. i think this is an immense challenge and not one that's just a fleeting issue . that's just a fleeting issue. it's going to be with us for many decades to come, and i want to insulate the uk that. to insulate the uk from that. that was why i resigned from government. that's why i proposed these amendments. >> going to campaign >> are you going to campaign next for us to leave the echr? >> well, i think that our membership the echr is membership of the echr is unsustainable. i think that will become clearer and clearer to the british public in the months and the years ahead. it was a separate debate from the one we've just had in the house of commons on the bill, because i don't think we actually now have
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to the echr to fix the to leave the echr to fix the small crisis. but small boats crisis. but it is a debate. i think now we do need to engage in as a party for to engage in as a as a party for conservatives and as a country, andifs conservatives and as a country, and it's one that i want to be at forefront of. at the forefront of. >> when in the home >> when you're in the home office. mean, we've heard office. i mean, we've heard a lot of this since john reid was in helm, actually, and in the helm, actually, and talking it being a basket talking about it being a basket case, it's just crazy. and case, and it's just crazy. and there's argument that there's even an argument that different departments need be different departments need to be hived its just big and hived off. its just too big and unwieldy. what's your impression of do people of it? i mean, do the people working home office have working in the home office have a on immigration, a grip on immigration, both legal illegal? a grip on immigration, both leg well, illegal? a grip on immigration, both leg well, iillegal? a grip on immigration, both leg well, i think.? a grip on immigration, both leg well, i think it's a bad >> well, i think it's a bad captain who blames his his crew. uh, was a department that uh, but it was a department that faced immense challenges. and uh, but it was a department that facesawrmense challenges. and uh, but it was a department that facesaw inanse challenges. and uh, but it was a department that face saw in recentlallenges. and uh, but it was a department that face saw in recent yearsges. and uh, but it was a department that facesaw in recent years somend uh, but it was a department that face saw in recent years some of you saw in recent years some of those issues, like this backlog you saw in recent years some of th
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>> should we split the home office do you think i think office up? do you think i think there's case for doing that there's a case for doing that and creating a very tough borders department, which is solely focussed on securing our borders, stopping illegal migration. >> but i mean , that's that's >> but i mean, that's that's really for another day. ideology opposition. >> priti patel spoke about this a bit. you know, she's trying to pull on a lever and then the civil service are pulling on the opposite lever. >> think there's a degree of that. >> and this is a highly charged issue. also the web of issue. uh, but also the web of legal arrangements that we have allowed to rise up over recent years and decades , whether years and decades, whether that's the treaties like the echn that's the treaties like the echr, which are now very out of date, they're all created in the immediate aftermath of the second world war, a very different world, where there was just million people on the just a few million people on the move. today, there are tens, probably millions of probably hundreds of millions of people on the move, either fleeing genuine war and persecution in most cases, persecution or in most cases, looking economic looking for better economic prospects. need a prospects. and so you need a fundamentally different settlement, both internationally and domestically , to solve that and domestically, to solve that problem. and i'd i'm afraid you
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do need to embrace the toughest policies. if you genuinely want to fix this problem , rather than to fix this problem, rather than just dealing with the symptoms . just dealing with the symptoms. >> and yet we read in yesterday's telegraph that 16,000 asylum seekers who arrived here illegally by boat have been given jobs . have been given jobs. >> yes, i think i think that's wrong . i don't agree that asylum wrong. i don't agree that asylum seekers should work. there is a very long standing policy that dates back to the labour government in 2005, allow government in 2005, to allow people who've been here for a year to work in certain occupations where there are supposedly shortages , but it supposedly shortages, but it just creates a pull factor to the uk and almost everyone who comes here is either an economic migrant or a sort of asylum shopper, because they're coming from countries like france from safe countries like france and to come to the uk and choosing to come to the uk because they think is because they think life is better here or a softer touch. and so i don't think that's the right approach. there were actually, members of actually, uh, members of parliament, of lords, parliament, the house of lords, mostly on the opposition benches, to reduce benches, who wanted to reduce that six that 12 months to just six months. and we resisted that. what i did as minister was double the fines, triple the
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fines for illegal working and increase the raids by 50% that are going out to see workplaces like, um , car washes, care homes like, um, car washes, care homes , nail bars, etc. typical places where illegal migrants can be found working because you've got to make the uk less of a soft touch. reduce the pull factor here. so that somebody who is sitting in germany or france or belgium doesn't feel the urge to come here to the uk. and if you talk to those countries like the french, for example, the two of the biggest factors, they say drive people to come to the uk are it is to work in are how easy it is to work in the black market here and access to public services like the nhs . to public services like the nhs. >> so have a some clarity , >> so let's have a some clarity, hopefully from you on legal migration, should there be a cap on and what should it be? on it and what should it be? >> well, think the legal >> well, i think the legal migration is in many respects the bigger than illegal the bigger issue than illegal because are so great because the numbers are so great and the damage it's doing the and the damage it's doing to the country significant. country is very significant. it's felt by by so many people. >> we need go back to tens >> do we need to go back to tens of thousands as promised by
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>> do we need to go back to tens of tho cameron; promised by >> do we need to go back to tens of tho cameron; pr> do we need to go back to tens of tho cameron; pr> i'm not sure that an >> well, i'm not sure that an arbitrary target is the right approach, although i'm not averse but you'd have averse to it. but you'd have to think about what think very carefully about what it not? it is. why not? >> i definitely that's what people becoming and listening to this want to get this want. well, i want to get it to the numbers. it down to the numbers. >> at 200,000, want to well, i >> at 200,000, i want to well, i certainly think be certainly think it should be 200,000 or lower year. 200,000 or lower each year. whether we down to whether or not we get down to tens thousands. i think you'd tens of thousands. i think you'd have think carefully about have to think carefully about that. but kind of ballpark that. but the kind of ballpark that. but the kind of ballpark that public want is that the public want to see is around that level. if look around that level. if you look at polling, people to at the polling, people want to see tens of thousands and see in the tens of thousands and they idea quite how many they have no idea quite how many people coming in. there's a people are coming in. there's a recent that came out the recent poll that came out the home office doesn't seem to have, many people poor have, well, how many people poor has data. my has very poor data. but my argument it's causing argument is that it's causing huge damage to the economy because means that people because it means that people are employers, because it means that people are employworkers wages. they're british workers wages. they're not technology not investing in technology to improve productivity. it's creating issue for creating a huge issue for housing, an issue i've housing, an issue that i've campaigned many campaigned for on many years. and the housing crisis and i think the housing crisis today is as much an immigration crisis as it is one about housing. >> we've only got a minute left .
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>> we've only got a minute left. so a couple of more questions for you. you want see a ban for you. you want to see a ban on face coverings at protests? >> why i if you look at those >> why i do if you look at those protests, for example, about gaza months , i think gaza in recent months, i think it's completely that gaza in recent months, i think it's con are tely that gaza in recent months, i think it's con are able that gaza in recent months, i think it's con are able to that gaza in recent months, i think it's con are able to be that gaza in recent months, i think it's conare able to be ont gaza in recent months, i think it's conare able to be on the people are able to be on the streets wearing masks. it means that the that it's very hard for the police arrest them, to hold police to arrest them, to hold law breakers to account, and it makes many people feel very nervous and on the nervous and uneasy on the streets. it's intimidating. streets. it's very intimidating. so see the law so i want to see the law changed. >> and final question i've noted that you've lost some weight. you've had a haircut, you're positioning yourself against rishi seem to be rishi sunak. you seem to be gaining support, particularly among the party. i among the right of the party. i know you're having conversations with conservatives . are with the new conservatives. are you lining yourself up to be a future leader? future tory leader? >> i that's not my intention . >> i that's not my intention. >> i that's not my intention. >> come on now. >>— >> come on now. >> i'm not i'm not politicians are ambitious people. >> look what i am trying >> well, look what i am trying to do is to make an argument and part of that is around illegal migration. >> i think that for too long, too few politicians have gone . too few politicians have gone. and argued that we need to take
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the most robust action. and so if i can help the conservative party by making that argument very strongly, then i will do, because i think there a path because i think there is a path to victory at the next general election. but goes through election. but it goes through taking the strongest possible approach on migration. >> no question >> final. yes or no question though, as though, would you stand as leader the future on camilla? leader in the future on camilla? >> that any thought. >> it's not a no. >>— >> it's not a no. >> it's not a no. >> i note. >> i note. >> well, look, i'm not ruling it out, but that's not my intention here. what i really want to do is make and hopefully win this central argument for the conservative future. conservative party's future. >> thank you >> robert jenrick. thank you very joining me very much for joining me this morning. >> you .
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chris, welcome back . chris, welcome back. >> as promised, robert hardman joins me now . >> as promised, robert hardman joins me now. he's a >> as promised, robert hardman joins me now . he's a journalist joins me now. he's a journalist and the author of this new book, charles the third. the inside story. and you'll have read about week because about this all week because it's been waves. it's been been making waves. it's been making headlines not just in his own newspaper, the daily mail, but across fleet street, we but across fleet street, as we used it. now let's used to call it. now let's start, of all, with the
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start, first of all, with the king and prince of wales's king and the prince of wales's health complaints. were you surprised by how candid particularly the statement on the king was ? i know you've. the king was? i know you've. i think there's a piece about your views on this in the sunday times. this morning. but i mean, you it was admitting that you know, it was admitting that he'd had this enlarged prostate. like many men of his generation, he's this he's going to have this procedure next week. there was a bit secrecy around the bit more secrecy around the princess of wales's admission to the this the london clinic for this stomach but at the same stomach surgery. but at the same time, mean, have a right time, i mean, do we have a right to know? should why are to know? should we know? why are we this stuff? we knowing this stuff? >> well, i think we certainly know more than would have know more than we would have known past. mean, you known in the past. i mean, you know, i have been around know, you and i have been around the a while to the royal patch for a while to and think, just a few years ago you would not have seen the words enlarged a words enlarged prostate in a palace statement. but i think that's sort of piece the that's sort of a piece with the sort new tone of this, this sort of new tone of this, this reign. you i think the reign. you know, i think the king view. well, you king takes the view. well, you know, have a right to know, the public have a right to know, the public have a right to know some things. don't know some things. they don't have know everything. have a right to know everything. but if i'm going to be if i'm if i'm a leader, if i'm setting an
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example, um, then if i can do some good by saying what it is that i've and encourage that i've got and encourage other step forward, other people to step forward, and we've certainly seen this huge calls to huge spike in telephone calls to surgeries online research, a number of people looking and looking know, prostate. looking up you know, prostate. do think from the do you think that came from the king? yeah, i think i think he, you know, he definitely a you know, he he definitely has a sense course , sense that, um, of course, private things must remain private. but again, with private. and but again, with the, with the princess, i thought, you there was thought, you know, there was a if , if you like, sort of if you, if you like, sort of there was a greater degree of candour, about the candour, um, about the situation. two situation. and i have two medical bulletins like that on the same day was, was was pretty remarkable. >> i think that the king released his statement to take the pressure off princess of the pressure off the princess of wales. question wales. and all the question marks over what she was going. >> i think i think we often like to lots this. to read lots into this. >> i honestly, i think it >> i think honestly, i think it was a case of i think, you know, she having treatment she was having her treatment anyway. she, she was anyway. but i mean, she, she was in hospital at the time. his followed a check—up. it's really more fact that, you more down to the fact that, you know, you're royal, if you know, when you're royal, if you are to step of your are going to step out of your
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dufies are going to step out of your duties for a few days because you have to that sets in motion duties for a few days because yotawful to that sets in motion duties for a few days because yotawful lotthat sets in motion duties for a few days because yotawful lot oft sets in motion duties for a few days because yotawful lot of cancellations,»n an awful lot of cancellations, letting people down. they hate letting people down. they hate letting down they letting people down because they know engagement know that every engagement that's on schedule for the that's on their schedule for the next weeks, you know, will next few weeks, you know, will have been planned to the nth degree so there degree for months. and so there will lot of unhappy people will be a lot of unhappy people and you've got to let them know soon before they sort of, you know, putting out the bunting. >> a couple of revelations >> a couple of key revelations in i mean, piece in the book. i mean, you piece together in a quite forensic manner, actually, the day that the died, mean, far the queen died, i mean, as far as information that you've as the information that you've received and particularly that note managed find note that you managed to find that has been written by sir edward private edward young, her private secretary. um, she went peacefully, which is of comfort, i think, to the nation. i mean, it's quite important. that's quite to report. quite something to report. >> i wanted do it as >> well, i wanted to do it as sensitively as possible. um, you know, there other aspects of know, there are other aspects of that day that haven't reported that day that i haven't reported on, don't know the full on, and i don't know the full extent, think it's extent, and i don't think it's appropriate that you that appropriate that, you know, that should out . but i think should come out. but i think that, you know , there will be that, you know, there will be this note. it's there lodged for posterity in the royal archives,
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um, giving the very short, very terse note form that, yes , the terse note form that, yes, the established time of her death. but you know that she wouldn't have felt anything and that no pain and i think people will feel, um, you know, very reassured by that . um, and i reassured by that. um, and i thought the other thing that i absolutely put the hairs on the back of my neck when i heard about it was, was that her last red box? you know, she'd had a red box? you know, she'd had a red box? you know, she'd had a red box brought to her every single day of her life as queen. she was only ever allowed two days off her birthday and christmas day. other than that red every day full of red box, every day full of papers and stuff to dealt papers and stuff to be dealt with and right at the you with and right at the end, you know, opened her last know, they opened up her last red box that's there in her room after she's died. and there's a letter the of wales, letter to the prince of wales, there's letter to sir edward there's a letter to sir edward young there's some homework young and there's some homework because doing the last because she was doing the last nominations for order of nominations for the order of merit, which she always took extremely seriously . um, and extremely seriously. um, and there was a short, a long list and a medium or short list, and she to go through, look at
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she had to go through, look at all the biogs then sort of all the biogs and then sort of tick a few, um, and so those nominations, them. nominations, she did them. >> letter to charles, i >> and the letter to charles, i mean, do we think that that's because did that the because she did know that the end do we think that end was nigh? do we think that she always had that letter in the red box? maybe recent the red box? maybe for recent months, knew she was months, because she knew she was in hell? in a hell? >> know. as i say, w— >> i don't know. as i say, i say in the book, we probably never know was it. know what was in it. >> and, and, and i totally understand that. but i think there was certainly sense of there was certainly a sense of on last days, on those last few days, she really wanted to get the country back feet. why she back on its feet. that's why she was to be on her feet was so keen to be on her feet and looking part in that and looking the part in that fashion because she, you know, with that final photograph, because summer because you know, all summer they really they hadn't really been a government of. and she government to speak of. and she knew she had to appoint prime her role. absolutely. her central role. absolutely. number duty number one, duty as a constitutional is to constitutional monarch is to ensure good governance ensure the good governance of the country and so she wanted to appoint get that appoint liz truss, get get that done that involved done and obviously that involved before accepting before that, you know, accepting the of johnson the resignation of boris johnson . she very buoyed up . and she was very buoyed up having done that. that was a weight off her mind. >> you quote a senior palace >> um, you quote a senior palace source saying that
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source in the book saying that she angrier than i've ever she was angrier than i've ever seen over this issue of seen her over this issue of harry and meghan calling their daughter lilibet. not so much using her cherished nickname, but the idea that the sussexes had said that done with had said that it was done with her and buckingham her permission and buckingham palace recollections her permission and buckingham pala
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at anyone who, who , who thought at anyone who, who, who thought they might be about to repeat this calumny. um, and the sussexes went to the palace or their team went to the palace to sort of get their, their to prop up the story and there was a rather deafening silence because the palace was not going to endorse a version of events that didn't tally with what the queen remembered . and that's what you remembered. and that's what you can't do . you can't, you can't, can't do. you can't, you can't, you know, as you recollect , you know, as you recollect, signs may vary. and if they do, they're going to budge. they're not going to budge. >> hardman thank you >> robert hardman, thank you very get his book very much. you can get his book from bookstores. there from all good bookstores. there we i'm flashing it up again we are. i'm flashing it up again now. ever, be next now. as ever, i'll be back next week at michael portillo, week at 930. michael portillo, of is up next, so stay of course, is up next, so stay tuned for that. and if any of you have missed the show today, you have missed the show today, you catch up the highlights you can catch up the highlights at 6 pm. on news lovely at 6 pm. here on gb news lovely to a great .
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to see you. have a great. sunday >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good evening . welcome to your >> good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather. i'm ellie glaisyer storm isha will bnng ellie glaisyer storm isha will bring some very heavy rain and some strong winds across the uk overnight tonight and into monday morning as it pushes its way north and eastwards across western parts of scotland. this evening, bringing some very heavy rain , particularly to heavy rain, particularly to those parts of the uk. those western parts of the uk. that rain will continue to push its way north and eastwards through the evening and overnight, through the overnight, and it's through the early of monday morning early hours of monday morning that really start to that those winds really start to pick up. gusts of 60 to 75 miles an those western an hour across those western coasts, perhaps as high as 90 across parts of scotland. it will very night as will be a very mild night as well, particularly compared to what we've recently. maybe what we've seen recently. maybe 8 across the south 8 or 9 degrees across the south east. very windy start to the east. a very windy start to the day monday , though those day on monday, though those winds ease a touch through winds will ease a touch through the hours of the morning, the early hours of the morning, but still remaining very
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blustery the uk into blustery across the uk into monday afternoon. showers was quite widely pushing in from the west into monday afternoon as well, turning wintry well, perhaps turning wintry across very high ground of across the very high ground of scotland. be some scotland. there will be some sunshine across very far sunshine across the very far southeast. temperatures here may be or 11 degrees, and be 10 or 11 degrees, and elsewhere around the mid single figures. will start a figures. tuesday will start a little bit drier for some, particularly along eastern parts of that doesn't of england, but that doesn't last very long. this next system pushing in from the west as we go through tuesday afternoon, bringing some further heavy rain , western parts , particularly to western parts of scotland , north—west of scotland, north—west england and as well , of scotland, north—west england and as well, and and into wales, as well, and some winds associated some strong winds associated with that. something a little dner with that. something a little drier wednesday, further drier on wednesday, but further wet weather later in wet and windy weather later in the week . the week. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers , sponsors of boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on .
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gb news. good evening from the gp newsroom. >> i'm tamsin roberts s with the top stories. the uk is bracing for severe weather this evening with gusts of up to 90 miles an hour expected to cause havoc. two amber wind alerts are in place as storm esha hits britain for casters say there's a danger to life in some areas. warning of falling trees, power cuts and possible flooding. a so—called tornado watch zone was issued for northern ireland, as well as parts of scotland and northern england. speed restrictions are now in place across network rail, and scotrail expects all services to be suspended on monday morning. while our south west england reporter jeff moody says conditions are expected to get worse tonight . get worse tonight. >> storms really beginning to take effect now. the wind is really beginning to pick up. the rain has arrived too, and it's going to get a whole lot worse tonight. this is the ninth named
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