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when loving your country was a good thing? the highly talented cellist who performed at the wedding of the duke and duchess of sussex , has said the song of sussex, has said the song rule britannia should be axed from last night of the proms. sheku kanneh—mason , who is sheku kanneh—mason, who is a huge talent and captured the world's attention at the age of just 19 when performing at harry and meghan's nuptials, said that some people don't realise how uncomfortable a song like that can make. a lot of people feel now. there was a bit of controversy around this anthem in 2020, when the bbc had a plan to perform the song without words. now, surely the words are the important bit. words. now, surely the words are the important bit . following an the important bit. following an outcry, they changed course. this is, of course, is the same bbc who wanted to get rid of land of hope and glory from the proms. a fan of this proms. now i'm a big fan of this cellist and he's absolutely entitled to his view, but it strikes me as a worrying trend that many people dislike , are that many people dislike, are ashamed of, or are even

embarrassed by their own country. and let me tell you , country. and let me tell you, that's not normal. every nation on earth is patriotic . every on earth is patriotic. every nafion on earth is patriotic. every nation waves the flag and every nafion nation waves the flag and every nation sings its anthems and national songs . with pride. and national songs. with pride. and that's the way it should be. because a nation is a community and a family brought together on these occasions music and by these occasions by music and by words and by symbolism. look at america, the american flag adorns every school in the country. americans sing the star spangled banner anthem. they pledge allegiance to the union more often than they eat hamburgers . america is hamburgers. america is a successful country because of a strong sense of nationhood and patriotism is the norm around the world. across europe, africa, asia . and beyond. it is africa, asia. and beyond. it is what binds people together. patriotism is a positive force andifs patriotism is a positive force and it's one of coming together of unity, of shared values , a of unity, of shared values, a shared history, shared

aspiration and shared hope, shared stories. so when people criticise songs like rule britannia, god save the king and land of hope and glory, in my view , they wrongly conflate the view, they wrongly conflate the lyrics with nationalism, which is a negative, destructive force which says that we are . great which says that we are. great and the rest of the world is bad . now many are uncomfortable with the words rule, britannia! britannia, rule the waves as though champions though it's somehow champions imperialism or even colonialism. well, first of all, britain wasn't the only empire, but ours is . the only wasn't the only empire, but ours is. the only one which has a positive legacy. the commonwealth in which the former nafions commonwealth in which the former nations that we once ruled remain close diplomatic , remain close diplomatic, military economic allies . no military and economic allies. no other so—called empire has achieved this rule . britannia achieved this rule. britannia also assumed extra significance. in 1945, at the conclusion of world war ii, when it was played at the ceremonial surrender of the japanese imperial army. in

singapore. and i think we can agree, defeating the cruel and ruthless japan forces is something to be proud of. royal britannia is mainly a celebration of our magnificent royal navy , which has led royal navy, which has led britain to so much military success, including playing its part in the defeat of adolf hitler and nazism . i don't know hitler and nazism. i don't know about you, but i'm quite happy to sing a song that celebrates that. to sing a song that celebrates that . some to sing a song that celebrates that. some are anxious that to sing a song that celebrates that . some are anxious that the that. some are anxious that the tune somehow glorifies slavery . tune somehow glorifies slavery. see now, slavery is the greatest evil in history, perpetuated for centuries, i might add , but centuries, i might add, but there is no mention of it in the song other than we shall not be slaves who can argue with that? and let's not forget . that it and let's not forget. that it was the british and the royal navy in particular, who extensively , at a huge cost of extensively, at a huge cost of blood and treasure, dismantled the slave trade. it took five decades, achieved it . now decades, but we achieved it. now the woke left, who have such influence public influence on our public

institutions , always seek institutions, always seek division , chopping people up division, chopping people up into different political identity groups so that we can all fight each other. which is why illiberal progressives detest patriotism so much. why . detest patriotism so much. why. not? because it brings people of all races, colours and creeds together, for i'm example together, for i'm an example of that. immigrant that. born to irish immigrant parents, i will take any opportunity . to sing joyous opportunity. to sing joyous songs about the united kingdom . songs about the united kingdom. this country needs to come together and songs like rule britannia the answer, not britannia are the answer, not the britain is now a the problem. britain is now a global beacon of diversity . the global beacon of diversity. the most successful integrated society in the world. but the glue which binds us is our tradition, our history and our values , and our future depends values, and our future depends on everyone being able to sing to the same tune. so perhaps i could finish with a couple of lyrics from rule britannia and don't worry, i won't sing . here don't worry, i won't sing. here it goes . when britain first at it goes. when britain first at

heaven's command arose from out the azure main. this was the charter of the land and guardian angels sung this strain . rule, angels sung this strain. rule, britannia , rule the waves bring britannia, rule the waves bring is never will be slaves. the nafions is never will be slaves. the nations not so blest as thee must in their turns to tyrants fall . while thou shalt flourish fall. while thou shalt flourish great and free. the dread and envy of them all rule , envy of them all rule, britannia, rule the waves . last britannia, rule the waves. last one. britain's never will be slaves . still more majestic slaves. still more majestic shah slaves. still more majestic shalt thou rise more dreadful from each foreign stroke. as the loud blast that tears the skies serves. but to root thy native oak . i serves. but to root thy native oak. i mean, that's some serves. but to root thy native oak . i mean, that's some poetry, oak. i mean, that's some poetry, isn't it? are you offended by

rule, britannia? let me know if you are. you'll get a hearing on this program mark dolan this program because mark dolan tonight. home tonight. it is the home of diverse at diverse opinion. mark at gb news. to my big news. com reacting to my big opinion, i'm delighted to have author and broadcaster lisa mckenzie, conservative peer and former adviser to boris johnson, lord ranger and former minister and current leader of ukip , neil and current leader of ukip, neil hamilton. lisa let me start with you. do you think that rule britannia is a bit old fashioned? is it time to give it the heave ho? >> um, i, i actually think it is actually, i mean, i'd prefer if we if we've got a choice between god save our gracious king and rule britannia. i'd rather have rule britannia. i'd rather have rule britannia. i'd rather have rule britannia , but i think i'd rule britannia, but i think i'd rather have , uh, jerusalem over rather have, uh, jerusalem over both of them. i mean, i, i wouldn't sing this, um, it's not, it's not, it's for not me. um, i'm not offended by it. um, the cellist is from nottingham , the cellist is from nottingham, so, you know, i kind of know you're biased. you pardon? you're biased? no. not really. i mean , not really. he's you know,

mean, not really. he's you know, he's from you know, he's from nottingham but probably not the same nottingham. i'm same part of nottingham. i'm from. you can say that he's from, you know, a very nice part of nottingham. >> that right. he , is he a >> is that right. is he, is he a bit is that what. bit posh. is that what. >> are family is >> yeah. they are is a family is quite them . and they're quite a lot of them. and they're very you know very musical and very you know they, they quite well what they, they are quite well what is what is out of interest which is what is out of interest which is what is name of the posh bit of is the name of the posh bit of nottingham then . uh, i can't nottingham then. uh, i can't really i should i say really should, i should i say where they live? of course they live. >> e area within nottingham? >> yes. there's these, there's >> yes. there's a these, there's these areas, there's the these two areas, there's the park which where the park which is where the nottingham and then nottingham castle is and then there's park . uh, there's mapperley park. uh, they're very sort of expensive places , but literally across the places, but literally across the road is one of the poorest places in the country. so you know, when i start thinking about rule britannia, you know, i think about the divisions that we've got in our country and particularly around wealth . and particularly around wealth. and actually, when i think about the cellist and his family and where

they live and actually across they live and actually across the road is a very poor part of nottingham, you know, i think there's big, bigger things to be offended by, actually . offended by, actually. >> see, that's interesting. kulveer my parents are irish, lost my dad sadly, at the end of last year, but they came to the uk in the late 50s early 60s made a life for themselves, started a family. i will take any opportunity to sing rule britannia or any of the other anthems. what's your view? >> i'm like you mark. look my parents grandparents came here in the 60s, parents in the 70s and 80s. i actually hugely proud because i'm the first british turban worn, turban wearing sikh to be in the house of lords. i'm born and bred britain . so it's born and bred britain. so it's about these shared values. you mentioned traditions, values , as mentioned traditions, values, as do we share them , our history. do we share them, our history. i think one of the challenges we have is we're not taught this history well. we're not taught modern british history well. therefore, where we got cultures and we are you said we're a

beacon in the world around having multi cultures living quite peacefully. actually, if you compare many , many you compare it to many, many other together, but , other countries together, but, but we have to have these shared values and therefore have to values and therefore we have to understand traditions and understand these traditions and understand these traditions and understand last night of understand these traditions and undproms! last night of understand these traditions and undproms is. last night of understand these traditions and und proms is. understandht of understand these traditions and und proms is. understand what the proms is. understand what what rule britannia is about. because i think more about because i think it's more about people understanding that, then latching to on the potential missed guided views of eras tour views that this is about slavery and other things so more accurate understanding of our history, a better understanding of the shared values of being british, as well as holding on to whichever culture, your family and personal history comes from, most definitely look , i think it's about absorbing the culture of the country that you're part of. >> neil hamilton i've got relatives and family in austria, and i'm wearing the lederhosen. we need to embrace these things because whether you're gay or straight, black or white, uh, you're british and these songs represent that. neil >> yeah, of course they do. and

you know who couldn't be proud of a nation like britain? when you think of the contribution that we have made to the world in so many different ways , and in so many different ways, and this tiny island on the periphery of western europe, half out into the atlantic ocean, um, and yet, you know , ocean, um, and yet, you know, regardless of what you think of the british empire or the, the legacy which the british empire has given to all sorts of countries in things like the rule of law, respect for democracy, representative government , the english government, the english language, which is a unifying feature in a country like india for example, where there are hundreds languages. hundreds of different languages. and so we have a lot to be proud of for our contribute in terms of for our contribute in terms of and sciences , of the arts and sciences, technology. you know, we gave the world the industrial revolution. created the revolution. we created the modern world many respects . modern world in many respects. and rule britannia actually is all about, as you rightly said, in your introduction, is about freedom of our nation , which is freedom of our nation, which is maintained by the royal navy because we were an island and we

had had very bad experiences of dictatorship under a standing army under cromwell , who of army under cromwell, who of course existed only decades before rule. britannia was written and the royal navy defended us against invasion, and therefore enabled us to retain our independence and our own way of life. and that's what it was all about. as in verse two of rule, britannia, which you read out a moment ago. um, you read out a moment ago. um, you know, the nations not so blest as thee must in their turns to tyrants fall. well, we didn't, because our navy protected . us, because we did protected. us, because we did rule the waves. >> rule, britannia , britannia, >> rule, britannia, britannia, rule the waves . so there you go. rule the waves. so there you go. >> i did it, folks. i went there. listen. coming up next in there. listen. coming up next in the big story is net zero to blame for the port talbot steelworks closures. plus, we've been conducting a mark dolan tonight poll . we've tonight people's poll. we've been asking should last night of the proms, axe rule, britannia . the proms, axe rule, britannia. the results are in. shall the results are in. i shall reveal all

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radio . well a top cellist wants radio. well a top cellist wants to axe rule , britannia. to axe rule, britannia. >> that's the topic of my big opinion. so many emails on this. uh, how about, uh , david mark, uh, how about, uh, david mark, this cellist should be thankful for all the tuition. he got to be able to play the cello as well as he can. where did he get that? britain , if he wants that? great britain, if he wants to bite the hand that feeds him, he cello somewhere he can play his cello somewhere else says yvonne we else, says david. yvonne says we love rule britannia even when i sing it. yvonne um, how about this from john mark, we're going down a very dangerous path. we need get the english history need to get the english history curriculum in schools back on track. saddened by the loss track. i'm saddened by the loss of in so many ways. of our heritage in so many ways. sing sing it often , sing it loud. sing it often, says john. uh, folks, thank you so much for that. quickly, so much for that. look, quickly, let's . who says mark? i'm let's. who says mark? i'm a falklands veteran and have been and will continue to sing and always will continue to sing rule britannia! since i was six years age. well, let me say, years of age. well, let me say, liz, all, well done for

liz, first of all, well done for singing and singing rule britannia! and secondly, i thank secondly, can i thank you on behalf and behalf of my viewers and listeners for your service to this country ? okay, folks, is it this country? okay, folks, is it time for the poll? greg? should we do that? we've conducted an exclusive mark dolan tonight people's poll we've been asking should last night of the proms rule, britannia ? the results are rule, britannia? the results are in it's overwhelming 93.6% in and it's overwhelming 93.6% say no , 6.4% say yes. get rid say no, 6.4% say yes. get rid now. residents of the welsh town of port talbot are still reeling from the news that tata steel are to close the blast furnaces at their iconic steelworks and replace them with an electric arc furnace, which produces less c02 but requires fewer workers. union bosses say tata's plans are unacceptable and will be devastating for the town, so is this a step in the right direction? as the government pursues its climate goals ? or pursues its climate goals? or are ordinary working brits being slaughtered at the altar of net zero? let's get the views of top journalists and author of not0 ross clark, whose latest article

about this issue features in this week's spectator and i tell you what, it's a spicy bit of journalism . also with me is the journalism. also with me is the leader the climate party, a leader of the climate party, a brand new friend of the show. great have you back. ed great to have you back. ed gemmell, to gemmell, gentlemen, welcome to the . um, what do you the program. um, what do you think about this? ed bad news for working people . net for ordinary working people. net zero means no jobs. >> oh, i think it's terrible news. i'm you know, very depressed for those people. and i really, you know, do feel for them . i think it's a total them. i think it's a total dereliction of duty. we should have harder , faster and have gone harder, faster and seen coming. so we actually seen it coming. so we actually got the done a lot earlier . got the job done a lot earlier. and there's an exact example happening elsewhere in europe at the should be a the moment that should be a lesson us sweden at the lesson to us in sweden at the moment. a company called h2 green it's building green steel, um, it's building up to actually produce 95% decarbonised steel and it's going to start operation in 2025. it'sjust going to start operation in 2025. it's just taken . in going to start operation in 2025. it'sjust taken . in ,1.6 2025. it'sjust taken. in ,1.6 billion of investment. so

approximately the same amount as the government and tata steel are going to put into this new electric arc furnace , which is electric arc furnace, which is actually just a recycling facility, after all, for old steel . and this one in sweden is steel. and this one in sweden is going to produce 1500 jobs on the spot , but nearly 10,000 jobs the spot, but nearly 10,000 jobs through all of its supply chains and everything else. now, if we had actually taken that money that we have wasted now, and those 3000 jobs are gone, we'd invested it early. we'd have really clean steel production and bigger in production. they're going to do 5 million ton in the end. that's more than the 3 million at the moment. it's being done at port, so we'd be ahead and have more jobs. well there you go, ross. >> clark, get with the program. grandpa, this is the future . grandpa, this is the future. >> well, i will agree with ed on that. actually, that , um, if that. actually, that, um, if you're going to invest the government is going to invest in what steel . i what it calls green steel. i mean, it go for the mean, it should go for the genuine green option . i mean, genuine green option. i mean, i'm not quite as, um , you know, i'm not quite as, um, you know, bullish about it as eddie's

because , um, you know, it is because, um, you know, it is a demonstration plant where, you know, there's a lot of problems to overcome before you can commercialise the, the, the technology of making steel without any carbon, with using hydrogen rather than coking coal. but you know what we've got, um , going to have at port got, um, going to have at port talbot is, um, you know, it's a, it's a recycling plant. it's not an electric arc furnace only does half the job. steelmaking is a two part process. you have to extract the iron from the iron ore and then you turn the iron ore and then you turn the iron into steel . um, electric iron into steel. um, electric arc furnace can do the second half. it cannot do the first half. it cannot do the first half. and what's going to happen as a result of this is that we're going to have a steelworks in, um , in south wales and also in, um, in south wales and also one up in scunthorpe, which is only capable of turning scrap steel into new steel or will be reliant on pig iron imports from

elsewhere in the country. and what we will be doing in the interim is we will be importing steel from china. most likely china. other countries . and, um, china. other countries. and, um, took this particular move of closing down the blast furnaces and building an electric arc furnace in maybe a few years time is it will reduce british jobs , but it will increase jobs, but it will increase global carbon emissions because, you know, the steel will be importing will be from the other side of the world. so there's a carbon emissions involved there. and electricity and it's also using electricity in china , which is 70% generated in china, which is 70% generated by coal rather than welsh. electricity is relatively clean compared with chinese electric city. so looking at it from a global point of view, this is actually going to increase carbon emissions. actually going to increase carbon emissions . yet the carbon emissions. yet the government will go around claiming it's a great success because we've taken out one between 1 and 2% of uk carbon emissions. okay well there you go. >> there you go. ed gemmell this move is going to be bad for the

environment. >> put that in your pipe and smoke it . smoke it. >> well i think it's very unusual. i think when you find ross and i actually agreeing on something. the of something. but the idea of importing steel from um, importing the steel from um, from course, is from china, of course, is absolutely ridiculous. but i mean, i started when i was mean, as i started when i was talking we should be going talking about we should be going harder gripping. harder and faster gripping. i mean , the climate party is the mean, the climate party is the only party in the country with a proper industrial mission and a mission us out of the mission to get us out of the doldrums. are in uk and doldrums. we are in the uk and that's to invest hard, invest fast see writing on the fast, see the writing on the wall what the swedes are wall and what the swedes are doing we should be doing is just what we should be doing is just what we should be doing the top the doing to be at the top of the pile, have pile, and then we wouldn't have the that ross and the problem that both ross and i are that's are agreeing on, and that's importing dirty steel somewhere else . importing dirty steel somewhere els> which, uh, when you become prime and i do hope prime minister and i do hope you'll stay in and respond prime minister and i do hope yo my stay in and respond prime minister and i do hope yo my whatsapp and respond prime minister and i do hope yo my whatsapp and resjwhich to my whatsapp messages, which departmental budget will it come out of push for net zero? out of this push for net zero? will it come out of the nhs? will it come out of the nhs? will it come out of defence? will it come out of defence? will it come out of schools or policing? >> so it's entirely the opposite mark. a lot of the investment will come straight out of the city and out of private

investment. and what have to investment. and what we have to do in the, in the is set the do in the, in the uk is set the right . that gives them right target. that gives them the that government's the certainty that government's on knows what it's on the case. it knows what it's doing. we're going early enough so that we can actually see that it's really going happen. it's really going to happen. i think the one thing that you are talking terms talking about, though, in terms of is government of budgets, is government procurement. the procurement. but if we set the right target that then government procurement goes in and starts fuelling and it and it starts fuelling and it starts driving the industry as it . look at one big thing it is. look at one big thing we've whether we've got at the moment, whether you agree or hs2 , you agree with it or not, hs2, look amount steel look at the amount of steel being sunk into that. the contracts with hs2 required that all of that steel needed to be decarbonised steel. look how quickly industry would quickly the industry would change and it wouldn't be public money that wasn't already being spent. >> f- @ where's the >> ed campbell where's the empathy, ? empathy, though? >> people watching this >> i've got people watching this show, listening to show who show, listening to this show who will job in port will have lost theirjob in port talbot . almost 3000 people. what talbot. almost 3000 people. what would you say to them about the push for net zero? because i can't imagine there warming to it right now . it right now. >> yeah, i think you're blaming

the push for net zero, whereas and i and i do have empathy for them. mark. not avoiding the question like did last time i question like i did last time i was . um, but i do was on your show. um, but i do have empathy for them . and but have empathy for them. and but really, we've say really, what we've got to say is the is should gone the thing is we should have gone harder and faster. should harder and faster. we should have gripped it and got the new green plants green steel manufacturing plants there in port talbot early . we there in port talbot early. we should have already been working on people should have already been working on delaying people should have already been working on delaying us people should have already been working on delaying us with people should have already been working on delaying us with allople should have already been working on delaying us with all these, keep delaying us with all these, these cynicism and all the scepticism about what's going on. it's happening anyway. we're going there. why don't bring going there. why don't we bring it forward, having worry it forward, just be having worry about the people who very about the 3000 people who very sadly , are losing their jobs. sadly, are losing theirjobs. but we'd have 6000 new ones. ross clark um, aren't tata simply doing a margaret thatcher on this one? >> she felt that the coal mines were no longer viable. she fought a lengthy battle against arthur scargill and the trade unions. of course, the coal , the unions. of course, the coal, the mine workers. and she's been proved right. so isn't this just thatcherite modernisation . thatcherite modernisation. times? you know, for the 21st century? well to some extent you

could say , you know, what's could say, you know, what's going to happen in port talbot isn't all that important to the uk economy, because already uk steel importers collapsed and it's a, you know, we're importing. >> i mean , you know, an advanced >> i mean, you know, an advanced industrial economy . you expect industrial economy. you expect really the sort of mass production maybe to go abroad. but and then britain to concentrate on the more specialised steel, the higher value steels. that's a sort of logical way for the, the economy to go. but, you know, going back to go. but, you know, going back to what ed says, you know, i am all for investing in new technology and investing in green steel , um, technology as green steel, um, technology as well . but you green steel, um, technology as well. but you can't just will these things into existence. you can't just say, well , you know, can't just say, well, you know, a billion here, a billion there into, um , you know, a developing into, um, you know, a developing a new demonstration plant because it's new technology. you don't really know whether it can really be commercialised or not. and in the meantime, we should certainly be holding on to our

blast furnaces and primary steel production and, you know, have a foot in both camps . foot in both camps. >> so, uh, my thanks to ed gemmell and ross clark proving to be quite the double act these days. gentlemen we'll catch up again soon. a fascinating conversation. your reaction please mark, at gbnews.com now it's literally 29 minutes until ideal it's literally 29 minutes until i deal with gary lineker who let me tell you is no victim. that's my take at ten. but next up in a career spanning over 60 years and one which, let me stress, is ongoing , former tory mp neil ongoing, former tory mp neil hamilton is to step down as leader of ukip. what are his hopes for the future of british concert autism? he's going to be dropping some truth bombs and

you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> okay, folks, uh, listen, a very, very busy show. gary lineker . very, very busy show. gary lineker. i'll be dealing with him at 10:00 in my take at ten, he's done an interview with the guardian, and i will give an

unapologetic . um, but, unapologetic response. um, but, uh, emails are coming in thick and fast. so many that my laptop is virtually heating up port talbot. mark can i ask the person in charge of the environmental lobby, will the net zero achieved lower impacts on britain in the next thousand years ? of course not. why years? of course not. why doesn't he concentrate on what we can do to mitigate the impacts that are here to stay? thank you for that. that's from clifford, folks. more of those emails to come. but first, in a career spanning 60 years and one which let me tell you, is ongoing . former conservative mp ongoing. former conservative mp and minister neil hamilton is to step down as the leader of ukip, the uk independence party. a new leader, will be announced in the months ahead and as the party chairman , ben walker, told me on chairman, ben walker, told me on this program last week, the position leader is open to position of leader is open to all. all you have to do is sign up to be a member. so what is the future for ukip? the political which helped political brand which helped launch brexit? and what are neil's hopes for the future of

british concert ism? so neil hamilton i can see that you mean business tonight because you're wearing your bow tie. >> thought i just to give >> yes, i thought i just to give an optimistic note to the discussion, and it's not even one those made ones . one of those ready made ones. >> done that yourself, >> you've done that yourself, haven't james bond. >> um, can i ask you >> exactly. um, can i ask you why you've stepped down? >> exactly. um, can i ask you wthecause stepped down? >> exactly. um, can i ask you wthecause stepped (figure >> because you're a figure of profile and repute in this country. it's a great loss to them. so why are you standing down? >> well, i'm not standing down. just office comes to just my terms of office comes to an this year, and you're an end this year, and you're not seeking re—election. it's a four year i'm 75. in march. seeking re—election. it's a four year you i'm 75. in march. seeking re—election. it's a four year you believe in march. seeking re—election. it's a four year you believe ?n march. seeking re—election. it's a four year you believe ? um. rch. seeking re—election. it's a four year you believe ? um. and would you believe? um. and although i know that by american standards is very youthful, uh, nevertheless , there are other nevertheless, there are other things i want to do with my remaining years. >> get it up again for another four years, and i'm not giving up ukip, by the way, i'm still going to remain active in ukip and in politics. >> but i've just got my practising certificate back at the bar, and i want to do a bit of legal work as well as doing broadcasting and other things. well, listen, you're fabulous

broadcaster. >> we love having you on this programme . and you appear programme. and you appear regularly on gb news and elsewhere. back to elsewhere. you're going back to the at age that's the bar at the age of 75. that's highly impressive . is that an highly impressive. is that an unusual move in that profession? >> i don't i suppose it is >> well i don't i suppose it is these days , but um, when i was these days, but um, when i was youngen these days, but um, when i was younger, people did go on forever and i 75 is the new 50 really, isn't it? so i don't see why i shouldn't have to sit exams or something like that. uh, no , because i was called to uh, no, because i was called to the bar 40 years ago and i've used my legal qualifications in various ways throughout my life , various ways throughout my life, but i want to do a bit of private practice now, so that's that's what i'm doing. >> well, congratulations to you . >> well, congratulations to you. that's remarkable you're that's a remarkable that you're going that. going going to do that. are you going back to the bar. because you need make some money, or does need to make some money, or does christine out of the house? >> well, i have expensive >> well, i do have an expensive wife you imply . wife to maintain, as you imply. my. but no , i don't think my. but no, i don't think christine wants me out of the house because she likes to have christine wants me out of the hou underause she likes to have christine wants me out of the hou under here she likes to have christine wants me out of the hou under her thumb (es to have christine wants me out of the hou under her thumb all to have christine wants me out of the hou under her thumb all the ave christine wants me out of the hou under her thumb all the time. me under her thumb all the time. but, uh , i think she's she's but, uh, i think she's she's quite to see me use my

quite happy to see me use my brain. if it butters brain. especially if it butters a few parsnips . a few parsnips. >> well, congratulations on that move. it's very exciting. what is future for ukip? you're is the future for ukip? you're going remain very much going to remain very much a committed figure within the party. what is the future? does it still matter? still it still matter? is it still relevant? certainly does, relevant? it certainly does, because ukip's manifesto, um , is because ukip's manifesto, um, is really a common sense manifesto. >> and we are a grassroots political movement. the reason that we got brexit, why we got the referendum to begin with, why we won the referendum was because of ukip, was because of ukip, and it was a spontaneous uprising of people against the elite consensus , by against the elite consensus, by which once again , we are which once again, we are controlled because although we nominally left the eu in 2019, what has changed and almost nothing, you know, this useless conservative government has done nothing to take advantage of the freedoms which we got as a result of fighting so hard . for result of fighting so hard. for decades they've squandered the opportunities. and so ukip still has a vital role. i think , in

has a vital role. i think, in relation to the european union, getting rid of all the overregulation in which we suffer, cutting taxes, getting the state out of people's lives, off their backs , all the green off their backs, all the green nonsense which today we've seen the damage that it has done to our country and the deindustrialisation of britain in your native wales, my native wales, remember 60 years ago, wales, i remember 60 years ago, travelling by train through port talbot . in those days it was talbot. in those days it was a huge steel making city and before the days of clean air you had a thick yellow sulphurous fog which covered the town . uh, fog which covered the town. uh, all the year round. i'm glad that side of it is gone, but i'm. i'm very distraught to see the destruction often of heavy industry in south wales because there's nothing comparable to replace it. and all that's left is poverty and devastation . and is poverty and devastation. and we've had a labour government in wales for 20 years. it's a one party know, they've party state. you know, they've done for people.

done nothing for working people. that's why i want to keep going in politics with ukip, because we do represent the ordinary person. >> now, the, the leadership of the welsh government would argue that they've been fighting very hard for welsh jobs, and they're going to do what they can to support talbot going to do what they can to supjalso talbot going to do what they can to supjalso they talbot going to do what they can to supjalso they could talbot going to do what they can to supjalso they could countert going to do what they can to supjalso they could counter by and also they could counter by saying, well, this is what the tories did the coal mines in tories did to the coal mines in the 80s. you would you the 80s. would you would you accept the 80s. would you would you acc no, i think it's completely >> no, i think it's completely different. but actually they are connected in a way, because the tories are are crazy eco zealots , just as the welsh labour government is. they between them have been responsible for the deindustrialisation of britain. now, of course, we all understand that technological change means that you're going to structure of to change the structure of industry in the country. the industry in the country. and the old smokestack industries are a thing past , old smokestack industries are a thing past, but we could thing of the past, but we could perfectly a coal perfectly well have a coal industry and a steel . industry, industry and a steel. industry, which is efficient and commercially viable, and we should be making our own steel if serious. but make if we're serious. but we make it. energy costs it. we make our energy costs artificially high. we price ourselves out of jobs and price industry out of our country.

>> more things to ask >> two more things to ask you before you yourself ready before you get yourself ready for my gary lineker monologue at ten. was some drama on ten. um, there was some drama on the show night as your the show last night as your deputy leader, jane , deputy leader, rebecca jane, resigned she shared her resigned and she shared her thoughts on this show. it seems the interview was not well received at party hq. take a listen , neil. listen, neil. >> disillusion with politics has never been lower. i started with such passion and optimism and eternal hope, and i leave with none of that. i have been unfollowed on twitter, removed from the whatsapp groups, removed from the facebook groups and let's see how many blockings i've probably got from higher up i >> -- >> there you go. if you didn't hear that rebecca jane, former deputy party leader, dumped off social media channels by ukip, the party that she was deputy leader of only hours previously, now rebecca jane's been on twitter and she has said the following neil hamilton ukip need to fold as a traditional political party, rebranding as an activist party holding every

lying politician to account . i lying politician to account. i have respect for what they achieved and i am proud to have served. but in the words of nigel farage, the brand is broken and new broken and needs a new direction. parties of the direction. dup parties of the right reform uk , ukip stand right reform uk, ukip stand a chance under our current electoral system . there you go. electoral system. there you go. so she's not happy about that. so she's not happy about that. so that is the tweet from rebecca jane. ukip should stop being a party and be a pressure group. and she's got a point. >> no , i don't think she does. >> no, i don't think she does. you change anything in you can't change anything in this unless you achieve this country unless you achieve things through elections. ukip has never had mp has never actually had an mp elected , apart from douglas elected, apart from douglas carswell mark reckless, who carswell and mark reckless, who were tory defectors . but without were tory defectors. but without that , nevertheless, we were tory defectors. but without that, nevertheless, we managed to force a conservative government into having an eu referendum. and as a result of that, we left the eu . so whilst that, we left the eu. so whilst obviously i want ukip to be successful in the traditional sense of electing people to parliament, i mean, i was elected to the parliament elected to the welsh parliament as member , then i do as a ukip member, then i do think that there is a role for what you might call the extra

parliamentary political activity as well. so i don't see that there's kind of there's any kind of contradiction in what she's saying. can be traditional saying. you can be a traditional political party and be an activist. little activist. was it a little harsh to unfollow her on social media channels ? channels? >> well, i didn't end of the course. mean , don't any >> well, i didn't end of the co the. mean , don't any >> well, i didn't end of the co the socialan , don't any >> well, i didn't end of the co the social media on't any >> well, i didn't end of the co the social media stuff any anyway. >> i'm far too old, you know, i write letters , i write letters write letters, i write letters to people. but but but, uh, you've got a quill. so i think that you too can be sensitive about this sort of stuff. and last not i mustn't last but not least, i mustn't get producer greg. >> but i've got to ask you this. what between what is the difference between ukip and reform? you ukip and reform? why don't you step aside and richard tice step aside and let richard tice build some momentum around a proper conservative movement? >> well, rebecca made approaches to richard tice. as you know, she did it on this channel some months ago to say, let's cooperate. she didn't even get a reply. the difference between reform and ukip is you can't actually join reform because they have three members nigel farage, richard tice and the party treasurer, because you need three members to register as a political party. according

to commission's to the electoral commission's rules. can't join it. so rules. but you can't join it. so therefore you have no constitutional right to participate in making party policy or even voting for the leader. i mean, how is richard tice the leader of reform? nobody voted for him . he was nobody voted for him. he was anointed by nigel farage, who was the proprietor of this hundred pound company , which is hundred pound company, which is the reform uk party. okay. he is a majority shareholder , so he a majority shareholder, so he controls everything. well, listen, i'll tell you what. >> if wanted anybody to >> if i wanted anybody to represent my legal interests, it would no one would be neil hamilton. no one has , but has your wit or intellect, but you'll be a loss to ukip as their . you'll be a loss to ukip as their. you're too kind, sir. there you go. the brilliant neil hamilton, who's at to hamilton, who's back at ten to react my take at ten react to my take at ten threatening on the bbc's threatening attacks on the bbc's biggest star are a disgrace. but be clear, gary lineker no be clear, gary lineker is no victim. but next up, it's mark meets and we'll be looking at 100 years since the first labour government is another one coming. see you in two. oh

i'll be dealing with gary lineker in just 12 minutes time in my take at ten. but first mark meet. and this week sees the 100 year anniversary of the first labour government. same guy mark meets. guest is the author of a brand new book all about a century of labour in britain and that very first post—war labour administration. david torrance is the author of the wild men the remarkable story of britain's first labour government. i'm so excited about this conversation because isn't it cyclical , right. this conversation because isn't it cyclical, right. very cyclical that you had a labour government exactly 100 years ago this week, and we're about to have another one. so i want to look at is how the labour movement has changed. so david, welcome dolan tonight welcome to mark dolan tonight your book is a great historic tome . the year is 1923. the tome. the year is 1923. the first world war ended four years previously. all men finally have the vote and it delivered a

surprise result . surprise result. >> yes, but actually a very complicated result. and it's a bit difficult to get our heads around this from today's perspective . if we think of perspective. if we think of parties winning elections and then forming a government, what happened then is that stanley baldwin, the conservative leader, called an election expecting to increase his majority. he wanted to change his economic policy. in fact, he lost seats. labour regained some, and the liberal party also recovered some of its losses. the previous year. so you had a very rough three way split in the house of commons, but such was constitutional convention, such were political events and the enmity between the conservatives and liberals at that point. the result was a labour minority government . mm. labour minority government. mm. >> well, indeed. now of course, labour had to transition from being a workers movement to a political party. how did the establishment react to the arrival of this first labour government ? government? >> some of them were extremely

unhappy about it. you have to remember that at this point it's just a few years after the russian revolution , in 1917, an russian revolution, in 1917, an incredibly violent revolution , incredibly violent revolution, and some conservatives , a lot of and some conservatives, a lot of media, newspapers , they media, newspapers, they genuinely thought that a labour government in the uk would go down the same path that to some degree they were even being controlled by moscow. they were taking their orders from communists there. others others, i think, realised that wasn't true, but sought to make political capital from playing on voters fears that that might happen. >> and what's fascinating about the story is that these were very accomplished men, but not experienced in the world of parliamentary politics or the machinery of government. as the book title suggests, they were the wild men tell me more so , the wild men tell me more so, though only a few labour mps had any experience of government

from a coalition during the first world war, ramsay macdonald, the leader of the labour party and of the opposition from 1922, had no experience whatsoever quite unusual then probably, probably less so now. >> i think , given recent history >> i think, given recent history . um, so there was a real fear in some quarters that if they weren't wild and extreme, they would simply be unfit to govern. they wouldn't know how to run the uk. its then vast empire they would fail through in experience. but actually that didn't turn out to be the case. uh, ram and macdonald despaired. on one level of what he had to work with. he didn't think his own backbench hours were very high . so he assembles a high quality. so he assembles a cabinet of labour people left and right and moderates and more radical ex—liberals and even a couple of conservatives . the couple of conservatives. the first lord of the admiralty , first lord of the admiralty, lord chelmsford, protests to everyone on joining the cabinet

that he's been a conservative all his life . all his life. >> and of course, it was a tumultuous administration that ultimately fell. but i guess the legacy is that it was the first labour government and the first of many . of many. >> yeah. uh, ramsay macdonald's whole strategy at the time was to demonstrate that they could be a party of government, and indeed , after the october 1924 indeed, after the october 1924 election, which labour lost, but they paradoxically gained a million votes at that point, they displaced the liberal party as the main alternative centre left progressive party . and so left progressive party. and so in that sense, ramsay macdonald's strategic aim of making labour proving that labour were fit to govern, uh, passed at that point he forms another government, another minority. in 1929. but from that point he's prime minister until 1935. >> uh, listen , only a few >> uh, listen, only a few seconds to go. i would urge my viewers and listeners to grab a copy of the book, because i started reading it and it's very

entertaining and it's fabulous history. um, but just bringing us up to 2024, patrick diamond, writing in the labour supporting newspaper labour list, poses the question today 100 years since labour first came to power, we must ask why it so often loses . must ask why it so often loses. why do you think labour hasn't been more successful in reaching high office than they have been ? high office than they have been? >> uh, i can't comment on more recent events , but i think in recent events, but i think in the 20s and 30s and of course it's 1945 before labour form a majority government, i think there was they still had something to prove. there was still a fear from some sections of their electorate that that they, they wouldn't be responsible in government . there responsible in government. there were often splits at that point in the in the broader labour movement. indeed, the left of the party was deeply unhappy with the first two government's and all of that, i think, contributed to it taking a bit longer than perhaps it should

have for it is a it is a cracking read, as i say, it's beautifully written. >> let's have a look. uh, give me that, uh, screenshot the me that, uh, screenshot of the book. out now. book. if you can. it's out now. it's by torrance , and it's it's by david torrance, and it's winning rave it's winning rave reviews. it's called the called the wild men the remarkable of britain's remarkable story of britain's first labour government. thank you. david okay folks, back to me, fay and we've got a very busy hour to come . next up i'll busy hour to come. next up i'll be dealing with gary lineker who let me tell you is no victim . let me tell you is no victim. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. who's. >> good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather. i'm ellie glaisyer storm isha will bnng ellie glaisyer storm isha will bring some very heavy rain and some strong winds across the uk overnight tonight and into monday morning as it pushes its way north and eastwards across western parts of scotland. this evening, bringing some very heavy rain, particularly to those western parts of the uk . those western parts of the uk. that rain will continue push that rain will continue to push its eastwards its way north and eastwards through and through the evening, and overnight, the overnight, and is through the early of morning

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gb news. >> good evening. it's10:00 on television, on radio and online in the united kingdom and across the world. this is mark dolan tonight in my take at ten, threatening attacks on the bbc's biggest star are a disgrace . but biggest star are a disgrace. but be clear, gary lineker is no victim in a major new headache for rishi sunak. the sun on sunday newspaper report that a handful of tory mps are in secret defection talks with reform uk . secret defection talks with reform uk. i'll secret defection talks with reform uk . i'll get reaction reform uk. i'll get reaction from one of reforms most high profile supporters ann widdecombe , plus tomorrow's widdecombe, plus tomorrow's newspaper front pages and live

reaction in the studio from my top pundits . a busy hour to top pundits. a busy hour to come, gary lineker in just two minutes time. but first, the news headlines and tamsin roberts . roberts. >> mark thank you and good evening from the gb newsroom here are the top stories this evening. winds of up to 90mph have hit wales this evening. a storm isha sweeps across britain, forecasters have warned of danger to life in some areas and warned of falling trees , and warned of falling trees, power cuts and possible flooding . the met office says a tornado could hit northern ireland parts of scotland and northern england and tornado watch zones have been issued. sellafield nuclear site in cumbria has also been closed. network rail has now suspended its services and scotrail has cancelled its monday morning rush hour services . these flights have services. these flights have also been disrupted , with some also been disrupted, with some cancellations . gb news, northern

cancellations. gb news, northern ireland reporter dougie beattie has this update on storm isha has this update on storm isha has most definitely made landfall in northern ireland. >> the small town of port stewart is now being battered by very high winds. >> there has been power outages and county down and fallen trees in hollywood. this storm is only going to get worse as the night goes on. >> ron desantis has dropped out of the us presidential race and has endorsed donald trump . his has endorsed donald trump. his surprise video announcement comes ahead of this week's new hampshire republican primary, where mr desantis was polling in the single digits . where mr desantis was polling in the single digits. his where mr desantis was polling in the single digits . his departure the single digits. his departure leaves nikki haley as mr trump's only significant rival. the duchess of york has been diagnosed with skin cancer just months after being treated for breast cancer. the diagnosis comes after she had several moles removed with one of those identified as being cancerous. a spokesperson for sarah, duchess of york confirmed claimed she's

been diagnosed with malignant melanoma. she said to be undergoing further investigations to ensure it's been caught early. the duchess is said to be in good spirits , is said to be in good spirits, despite the fact another cancer diagnosis so soon after the last one has been what they described as distressing . detectives as distressing. detectives investigating the deaths of four people in norwich on friday say two adults died of stab wounds. the man and woman, along with two young children, were found deadin two young children, were found dead in a house in kc post mortem examinations for the two girls will be carried out on wednesday. norfolk police has referred itself to the independent watchdog after failing to respond to a 999 call from the home, where the bodies were later found . now the skies were later found. now the skies above berlin were lit up last night as a rare meteor was spotted . researcher michael i, spotted. researcher michael i, who managed to capture the moment on camera , told reporters moment on camera, told reporters he was just about to take his

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reaction in the studio from tonight's top pundits , including tonight's top pundits, including author and broadcaster lisa mckenzie, conservative peer and former adviser to boris johnson, lord ranger and former conservative minister and current leader of ukip neil hamilton . plus, they'll be hamilton. plus, they'll be nominating their headline heroes and back page zeroes of the day and back page zeroes of the day a packed hour and those papers are coming. but first, my take at ten. god knows i'd rather show you cat videos than talk about gary lineker. show you cat videos than talk about gary lineker . you know, about gary lineker. you know, cat videos like this one. look at that little cutie whose dressing gown is that? just adorable . oh, it's time for adorable. oh, it's time for breakfast. okay, that's probably enough. greg unfortunately, i have no choice because britain's officially nicest man. someone who gives mother theresa and the dalai lama a run for their money is back in the news. in an

interview with the guardian , interview with the guardian, there's a surprise the match of there's a surprise the match of the day star spoke about being attacked his political attacked for his political opinions whilst i absolutely opinions and whilst i absolutely abhor and condemn anything vicious or threatening that may have been said to old gas and have been said to old gas and have had my fair share as well, if you're going to put yourself out there with strong and at times divisive opinions , you times divisive opinions, you must accept little bit of must accept a little bit of pushback. but saint gary doesn't like that in the last 24 hours, he has used his huge public platform to threaten someone with libel for daring to say that he received money from qatar for his world cup coverage in qatar. of course, being a hateful regime which treats women like second class citizens backs the terror group hamas and jails gay people . now, top jails gay people. now, top comedy writer lee kern, the man behind hit movies like the hilarious borat , has found hilarious borat, has found himself in hot water with lineker after criticising his double standards. lineker shot back, tweeting the following . back, tweeting the following. lineker said i have temporarily

unblocked you to let you know that your tweet is libellous . i that your tweet is libellous. i didn't take a penny a pound , a didn't take a penny a pound, a riyal or anything else from qatar for the world cup . i work qatar for the world cup. i work for the bbc and the bbc alone. i suggest you delete your inflammatory lies immediately. well, this is a little confusing , isn't it? first of all, fronting the world cup in qatar for the bbc still isn't a great look, is it ? for the bbc still isn't a great look, is it? for a man who wears his woke credentials on his sleeve ? if he hates sexism , if sleeve? if he hates sexism, if he hates racism, if he hates homophobia, would he want to be in any way associated with this tyrannical regime and its twisted medieval values ? whilst twisted medieval values? whilst broadcasting on the bbc? c and did this famous eco warrior who is so concerned about global warming and his greta thunberg's number one fan, did he not think twice about jumping on a plane to fly to the middle east to present shows in air conditioned stadia in the desert stadia, i

hasten to add, built in part by modern day slaves , thousands of modern day slaves, thousands of whom fell to their death in their construction or perished in the crippling 40 degree heat. so the point about lineker's double standards remains plain. but it gets worse because lineker's rebuttal to this comedy writer, who is jewish and is very upset by lineker's reaction to the october 7 attacks on israel , is a tad attacks on israel, is a tad misleading, as well, because whilst kern was wrong to say that lineker was paid by qatar for covering the world cup, it was the bbc who paid him and more fool them. lineker conveniently omits the facts that he has previously taken money from the qatar regime . how money from the qatar regime. how much? oh, just a reported £1.6 million over four years broadcast eating champions league football for al jazeera , league football for al jazeera, a television network owned by, you guessed it, the qatari state. as well as criticising lineker's position on israel, the bbc star has had to delete a

recent retweet which called for israel to be banned from major sporting events. lee kern makes some other quite compelling points about saint gary. take a listen . lee kern wrote gary listen. lee kern wrote gary lineker inhabits a world of zero risk, zero threat, zero danger. he's a multi—millionaire member of britain's media class in the game of identity politics, he is as immune from struggle as it's possible to be. the writer goes on. lineker lives where words are just a game to impress his smug, chattering class. media friends. for lineker, it's simply a game of words , a simply a game of words, a peacocking vanity, a warm bath of righteousness that he slips into with zero consequences. all weighs in his knight's armour, but never going into battle . but never going into battle. blimey i couldn't have put it better myself. you can see why he's a top writer. the truth is, i've always thought that you judge a person by their actions, not their words. and lineker's

mr nice guy image doesn't stand up to scrutiny in my book. this is a guy who sells junk food to kids. now, crisps are delicious , kids. now, crisps are delicious, but they're not good for you, especially youngsters. he presumably would like the government to spend more money on public services, given that he's identifiably on the political left. and yet he successfully battled hmrc in court to reduce his tax bill by over £4 million. by clarify that he was a contractor to the beeb, not not an employee, just think how many school teachers or nurses that 4 million odd quid would pay for, or how much refugee accommodation that would provide whatever his worldview is, rest assured that gary won't be impacted as he mocks his employers and continues to tweet from the luxury of his london mansion . he might have the money mansion. he might have the money thanks to a hefty licence fee income courtesy of you and me £1.3 million. but the rest of britain can't afford gary's

luxury opinions. violent or vicious attacks on this former football ace are appalling and deeply wrong. but be clear that gary lineker is no victim now back to those cat videos . aren't back to those cat videos. aren't they cute ? i call that one gary. they cute? i call that one gary. can i just tell you that producer greg spent all afternoon editing those cat videos, and i think the show has suffered a result . well done suffered as a result. well done lottie, folks , listen. your lottie, folks, listen. your reaction please. mark, at gbnews.com or get to your emails shortly. let's hear from my top pundits, author and broadcast lisa mckenzie, conservative peer and former advisor to boris johnson, lord ranger and former conservative minister and current leader of ukip , neil current leader of ukip, neil hamilton. kulveer. let me start with you. um, it's important, isn't it, to take into account the fact that gary lineker , um, the fact that gary lineker, um, has been quite consistent about

his concern for environmental causes , as he even admitted causes, as he even admitted himself. he said , look, we're himself. he said, look, we're all hypocrites, but we've got to make a difference. he's doing his spark a debate. it's his best to spark a debate. it's been reported that actually been reported that he actually cancelled his contract with al jazeera after four years, when he realised about the human rights abuses and what was happening and before he fronted the world cup coverage on the bbc, he did a monologue condemning human rights abuses. so are you in a position ? are so are you in a position? are you in a mood to defend gary lineker? >> well, look, you know, i'm always conflicted when i think about gary lineker. i recall those great world cups of 86 and 90. his england heroics. and as a tottenham fan, you know, he did some great things for us, helping us win the fa cup in 91. >> . it's lucky for spurs >> but it. it's lucky for spurs when the year ends in one isn't it. >> it is sometimes it's been a long time but with gary lineker now as we all see he's using his platform , his public sector platform, his public sector platform, his public sector platform , his tax well taxpayer platform, his tax well taxpayer pubuc platform, his tax well taxpayer public licence, fee paid platform to talk about many

other things. what i and i read this uh, parts of this interview and he says, well, i look at every single word very carefully, especially if there's some political context in the tweets that he puts out there. he generates debate via twitter. well, why not generate debate by actually getting involved in a debate . and what i think i'd debate. and what i think i'd like to see, you know, gary lineker is obviously a principled old man. he has views and that wants and he has things that he wants to society . so i think to say about society. so i think the challenge now for gary lineker is will he come onto the political stage, onto the political stage, onto the political field. there's an election this year. he can get involved . he could either set up involved. he could either set up his own party. sure could his own party. i'm sure he could talk neil hamilton about talk to neil hamilton about a thing about those things, talk to neil hamilton about a thing could about those things, talk to neil hamilton about a thing could join»ut those things, talk to neil hamilton about a thing could join at those things, talk to neil hamilton about a thing could join a major things, talk to neil hamilton about a thing could join a major party. ;, or he could join a major party. i he'd add something to i think he'd add something to pubuc i think he'd add something to public having public debate, but that's having skin the game. i think, you skin in the game. i think, you know, that's where you actually say, okay, i about these say, okay, i care about these things, i'm to do things, and i'm going to do something about it. so you could get off now from the sidelines and get on the political pitch. >> uh, neil many would and get on the political pitch. >> uithatil many would and get on the political pitch. >> uithat gary many would and get on the political pitch. >> uithat gary linekernany would and get on the political pitch. >> uithat gary lineker is ny would and get on the political pitch. >> uithat gary lineker is an would argue that gary lineker is an incredibly he's

incredibly nice man. he's famously great to work with. he's generous. of course. he's a football this is a guy football legend. this is a guy that's taken in refugees in his own home. this is a guy that walks the walk and that's why he's nearly 9 million he's got nearly 9 million followers on twitter . followers on twitter. >> well, i have no idea whether he's a nice or but he's a nice person or not, but i mean, poor little limousine liberal. you've got to feel sorry for him. he's been attacked on twitter. good heavens , how could he ever heavens, how could he ever recover that ? i mean, recover from that? i mean, the absurdity unblocking absurdity of him unblocking somebody in order to say, i'm going to sue you for libel. uh, you this this you know, this is this is playground politics for children , isn't it? really? uh, the trouble with dimwits like lineker is that they take us to a high moral tone, but they don't live up to their own moral rules . rules. >> do you think the word dimwit is harsh language and a bit unparliamentary from you, neil? >> well, i'm no longer a member of parliament, and i. i mean parliamentary decorum. >> gb news is the people's channel. >> i think i'm talking in the language of the people. uh, and,

uh, you know, if gary lineker dishes his out, he should be able to take it. i couldn't care less what people say about me on social media. i have no idea actually what they say about me on media, because on social media, because i don't waste it . uh, waste my time looking at it. uh, but, have . been in but, you know, i have. been in hot water myself in the course of my life. i was the government whip northern ireland at the whip for northern ireland at the height i on height of the troubles. i was on an assassin list. an ira, uh, assassin list. that's the sort of thing you ought really to be worried about. but being called names on twitter, is this really something that you ought to advertise to the world as something which has really cut you quick? it's you to the quick? i think it's absolutely pathetic , shocking to absolutely pathetic, shocking to think followed think you were being followed and targeted ira. and targeted by the ira. >> have just told them >> i could have just told them where drink would where you drink and it would have listen lisa have been game over. listen lisa made up now, by the way, lisa, these are these these attacks , these are these these attacks, uh, you know, aggressive , uh, you know, aggressive, violent attacks on on public figures are completely unacceptable. death threats, all the rest of it. but but that aside, gary lineker. is no victim, no , i mean, i think

victim, no, i mean, i think we're in the age of a hypocrisy , we're in the age of a hypocrisy, to be honest. >> i think, you know, we look back at different ages of politics and i think the one that we're in now is that we're in right now is hypocrisy . um, and that we're in right now is hypocrisy. um, and i do think, uh , the, the writer, uh . uh, the, the writer, uh. i follow him. >> kern. lee kern, who is one of the writers of borat. >> i, i do follow him on twitter, actually , i don't twitter, actually, i don't follow gary lineker, actually , follow gary lineker, actually, but i do follow him on twitter. and i thought that that statement that he made made, um, it might be something that i would it would say actually, that it is okay have, you know, kind would say actually, that it is ok political, a, you know, kind would say actually, that it is ok political, a, y uh know, kind would say actually, that it is ok political, a, yuh uh»w, kind would say actually, that it is ok political, a, yuh uh ,/, kind would say actually, that it is ok political, a, yuh uh , i kind of political, uh uh uh, i suppose, debate if it's only on twitter and from your, my, you know, your mansion in, in london. i mean, that's great, but you know, gary lineker, you know, he's, he's family. i don't know, he's, he's family. i don't know if you knew, but his family used to sell fruit and veg on leicester market. know at leicester market. so you know at some point in his life it is known about fruit veg and known about fruit and veg and healthy food . uh, but, um, you

healthy food. uh, but, um, you know, the way that he rose to fame, which was through you know, ordinary people watching football, liking it the way that he was. i think he's at risk now of losing those people because, you know , it is the age of the you know, it is the age of the hypocrite . and unfortunately, hypocrite. and unfortunately, he's not the only one on twitter. >> i've only got a couple of seconds. >> lisa, you're hairdresser is with you tonight . drove down with you tonight. drove down from nottingham. what's he called ? called? >> his name's wayne. >> his name's wayne. >> wayne. is the fountain >> wayne. wayne is the fountain of you quote of all wisdom. you often quote him. he watches show, him. he watches the show, watches what does he watches the channel what does he think lineker? briefly. think of lineker? briefly. if you can. >> p- p— e wayne think of >> what would wayne think of lineker ? um, i think wayne's not lineker? um, i think wayne's not really a football fan, so ? so he really a football fan, so? so he wouldn't. he wouldn't really remember him. he might have fancied him back in the 80s, but that would do well. >> who wouldn't even. >> who wouldn't even. >> i fancy gary lineker. uh, listen, bottom is i've listen, the bottom line is i've been gary been very harsh about gary lineker. it is true that he's been consistent. never done lineker. it is true that he's b

the big issue for him is that he's public at he's on the public payroll at the and i think he the beeb, and i think if he came and at gb news, he'd be and worked at gb news, he'd be as good gold. fact, i'd as good as gold. in fact, i'd love on the channel. love to have him on the channel. what how's love to have him on the channel. what it? how's love to have him on the channel. what it? certainly how's love to have him on the channel. what it? certainly to how's about it? certainly love to have you guest program. you as a guest on the program. mark gary lineker. would mark meets gary lineker. would you that ? this is mark meets gary lineker. would you that? this is a mark meets gary lineker. would you that ? this is a call you watch that? this is a call to arms. okay folks, lots more to arms. okay folks, lots more to come in. a major new headache for sunak. the express for rishi sunak. the express newspaper report that a handful for rishi sunak. the express netoryiper report that a handful for rishi sunak. the express netory mpseport that a handful for rishi sunak. the express netory mps arert that a handful for rishi sunak. the express netory mps are in:hat a handful for rishi sunak. the express netory mps are in secret1andful of tory mps are in secret defection talks with reform uk. i'll get reaction from ann widdecombe

transportation of animals. >> you're listening to gb news news, radio. >> papers on the way. but in a major new headache for rishi sunak the sun on sun newspaper report that a handful of tory mps are in secret defection talks with reform uk reform's leader richard tice , star of gb leader richard tice, star of gb news, of course, told the paper there is increasing desperation in the red walls. some red wall tories have been scoping us out about defecting through third

parties, he goes on to say there is more than one tory mp involved. a source close to reform uk also predicts that if nigel farage re—enters party politics to campaign for the former brexit party, then , then former brexit party, then, then quote, that trickle of tory mps talking about defecting could become a stream. let's get the views now of tonight's newsmaker. former government minister, author and television personality ann widdecombe. and you effectively defected a few years ago, having left the tories to join reform. do you think 1 or 2 conservative mps will ultimately follow ? will ultimately follow? >> well, let me just say i'm not privy to any of these conversations that are going on. so if you're hoping for me to name names, i can't. so if you're hoping for me to name names, i can't . uh, but name names, i can't. uh, but what makes complete sense is that if you're, for example, a red wall tory, uh , you know, red wall tory, uh, you know, you're not going to win on what the tories are doing at the moment. >> whereas the reform party, which is, of course , the, uh, which is, of course, the, uh, evolve from the brexit party,

uh, actually does campaign for the sorts of things that those constituents are interested in. and also campaigns for things like common sense and proportionality, which used to be the watchwords of the conservative movement and no longer are so it would make a lot of sense for some of those mps who are not going to hold their seats if they stand under their seats if they stand under the banner of rishi sunak , uh, the banner of rishi sunak, uh, to come where they might very well , um, to come where they might very well, um, keep the seat and do you feel that tory mps are duty bound to change party in order to stand up for their principles ? >> 7- >> for ? >> for example, 7 >> for example, if you ? >> for example, if you were still a sitting conservative mp right now, would you be considering your position ? considering your position? >> i might be considering my position, but i would not like to say, you know , with my hand to say, you know, with my hand on the good book that i would absolutely, indefinitely change because i might well, not what is sitting mps have to consider a lot of things. there's the

loyalty between them and their party workers and sometimes built up over a large number of years, and they feel they could let those down. uh, there is their loyalty to their colleagues who feel let down. um, there is all manner of pressure on you when you're an mp, but all i will say is that mps do change parties. they cross the floor of the house of commons. churchill crossed it twice. they cross the floor of the of commons. they join the house of commons. they join other parties. therefore there is reason on earth why mps is no reason on earth why mps who have reform's values shouldn't join reform. but i would just explain, you know that there is a lot of pressure on you now. on you how. >> on you now. >> an as britain's strictest headteacher, katharine birbalsingh , sing battles in birbalsingh, sing battles in court to ban prayers at school . court to ban prayers at school. is it time to keep religion out of the classroom ? of the classroom? >> absolutely not. i mean, i cannot understand at the moment . cannot understand at the moment. i mean, christianity has been virtually squeezed out. you know, there is no longer an act of worship at an awful lot of

school assemblies unless they're religious schools . uh, children religious schools. uh, children aren't taught scripture anymore . aren't taught scripture anymore. then they're expected to understand things like shakespeare and milton without a clue about the biblical references. they're expected to be taught. appreciation of art without a clue what the renaissance portraits are actually showing because they don't stories behind don't know the stories behind it. they're supposed to study medieval without knowing medieval history without knowing anything the church. now anything about the church. now now, you the most now, even if you are the most profound atheist, are country is christian by heritage and culture. uh, and i think it would be quite wrong to ban prayer, to ban acts of religious worship from schools is finally an a leading british cellist who performed at the nuptials of the duke and duchess of sussex, has said that that rule britannia should be axed from last night of the proms . of the proms. >> your reaction ? >> your reaction? >> your reaction? >> absolutely stupid. we've had this postulated before . it never

this postulated before. it never finds favour with the public. it is part of the proms that, you know the sopranos rule britannia, right at the end and everybody joins in and loves it. land of hope and glory. but people are enjoying themselves doing that and i see no reason why they shouldn't. no, i don't want to ban rule britannia . um, want to ban rule britannia. um, and in fact there are places now, um, at sea where we're trying to preserve the rights of shipping to move freely , uh, shipping to move freely, uh, where you might well say, rule britannia . britannia. >> brilliantly put an. what a treat to have you back on the show. i'm looking forward to sunday already . my thanks to the sunday already. my thanks to the television , former television personality, former government minister, and best selling author ann widdecombe. thank you. ann, look fabulous tonight. i'm going tonight. by the way, i'm going tonight. by the way, i'm going to sunglasses next to put my sunglasses on next time debate. time. what a great debate. your reaction mark at news .com reaction mark at gb news .com folks . such a busy half hour to folks. such a busy half hour to come. some brilliant front pages with full pundit reaction on

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to that very shortly because i know neil hamilton knows what teenage are like this teenage boys are like and this spells trouble . storm isha to spells trouble. storm isha to bnng spells trouble. storm isha to bring a day of rail chaos and tornadoes. we're going to talk about that terrible wind as well . uh, people have been told not to sleep next to a window tonight. okay uh, how about this, uh, nick? timothy writing in the telegraph . in the telegraph. multiculturalism is becoming a trojan horse for islamist domination. india dependent. uh, how broken? nhs, mental health care is failing children and storm isha . she roars in at storm isha. she roars in at whole of uk put under rare met office alert . the mail. another office alert. the mail. another royal health bombshell fergie i have skin cancer. days after the shock news from charles and kate and months after her mastectomy, sarah ferguson reveals that she has an aggressive form of the disease. also worst at heart care crisis in memory soaring early deaths blamed on nhs waiting lists and obesity. the eye water bosses behind toxic sewage will be put in the dock under labour daily express sarah

ferguson in good spirits after shock new cancer diagnosis . the shock new cancer diagnosis. the sun exclusive royal shock fergie's new cancer battle. duchess hit for a second time in six months. whole country under weather alert says the metro . so weather alert says the metro. so next let's have a look at their front page and you can see shocking scenes at lyme regis , shocking scenes at lyme regis, their walkers taking photos amid remarkable stormy weather and high seas. also vicious storms batter britain . daily mirror batter britain. daily mirror star's plea to young people. harry kane it's okay to ask for help . daily star tv legend brian help. daily star tv legend brian blessed i wrestled a 48 stone gorilla. well, could you tell the difference? and those are your front pages. let's get full pundh your front pages. let's get full pundit reaction now from my brilliant guests, my big stars tonight with ringside action, dropping a few truth bombs along the way. author and broadcaster lisa mckenzie. concert lviv peer and to boris and former adviser to boris johnson, ranger and former

johnson, lord ranger and former conservative government minister and current leader of ukip neil hamilton. folks lots of stories to get through, but very sad news. lisa regarding sarah ferguson , of course she is the ferguson, of course she is the duchess of york . she was married duchess of york. she was married to prince andrew. she had to put up with him for they up with him for years. they cohabit, don't they? in royal lodge in windsor. >> do . >> apparently they do. >> apparently they do. >> and very, very news. she >> and very, very sad news. she had breast cancer. she's had a mastectomy and now she's got an aggressive skin cancer. >> sad that when anyone >> it is sad that when anyone gets ill, it's very sad . >> it is sad that when anyone gets ill, it's very sad. i'm going to be completely honest . i going to be completely honest. i don't know why she's on the front of every single front page of every single newspaper tomorrow. um, i feel very sorry for her. and it's very sorry for her. and it's very sad. but . very sorry for her. and it's very sad. but. i think we've just got bigger and more and more serious things to talk about. i always find that every time that, you know, we're it, they always kind of throw a royal in to sort of distract us. and yes , it's sad, but i'm going and yes, it's sad, but i'm going to be quite honest, you know,

this week some terrible things have happened in the country. a baby being found in a plastic bag, a two year old being found starved to death. uh, the grooming gangs. i'd rather talk. i'd rather talk about them . i'd rather talk about them. >> well, and you're absolutely entitled to that view. >> and in fact, if we talk about ordinary brits as well as, like you say, we wish sarah ferguson a speedy recovery. but there are millions people on an nhs millions of people on an nhs waiting list, almost 8 million at the moment. and it seems to be a big problem for heart care. kolvir the nhs is suffering its worst heart care crisis in living memory. uh, early deaths from heart disease have hit their highest level in more than a decade. cases of heart attacks, heart failure and strokes are among among the under 75 have tumbled since the 60s. and now they're back up . 60s. and now they're back up. >> no, we've got a big conversation to have in this country about health. you know, we tend to focus on the nhs as the institution to take care of

us, or are we taking care of it, depending on what the government's telling any government's telling us at any given it obesity are given moment. but it obesity are health care are preventative measures and are actually treatment. how we handle these things i think we have to re envisage the way we are going to look at health care going forward, especially, and i'd say this ways coming in, this as new ways are coming in, new technology, of new technology, new ways of being better prepared for the outcomes , and we're going to outcomes, and we're going to live longer. we're going to suffer more of these things suffer from more of these things in so we in different ways. so there's we can these facts can keep seeing these facts probably and probably getting worse. and worse and worse until we start having those big conversations. will have those will we have those big conversations year when will we have those big conversamns year when will we have those big conversan election/ear when will we have those big conversan election onr when will we have those big conversan election on willan will we have those big conversan election on will the there's an election on will the government, will the political parties be brave enough start parties be brave enough to start putting some of things on putting some of those things on the some of them the table? i think some of them might have an might actually do have an inclination sides of inclination from all sides of the political spectrum that people realising that we people are realising that we can't doing things in can't just keep doing things in the nhs as we've been doing it, because not working. most definitely. >> and that's growing up >> and that's a growing up conversation that neither of the two having . neil. >> absolutely you know ,

>> absolutely right. you know, we can't a proper we can't have a proper discussion health this discussion about health in this country because it's a country because because it's a new form of religion. it's replaced christianity. and the national health service. the angels, you know, they have angels, you know, they have angels the health service, angels in the health service, unlike anywhere else the unlike anywhere else in the country. this is a rather country. and this is a rather pathetic, really, because the sovietised model that we've got for health provision in this country is just wholly unsustainable. we're not going to be able to fund the growing needs and the expenses . needs and the growing expenses. of new treatments out of taxpayer funding, with no connection between the patient. on the one hand, who needs to be treated and the means paying treated and the means of paying for the treatment, which they've treated and the means of paying for toe treatment, which they've treated and the means of paying for to get atment, which they've treated and the means of paying for to get .:ment, which they've treated and the means of paying for to get . 38 nt, which they've treated and the means of paying for to get . 38 years1ich they've treated and the means of paying for to get . 38 years ago, hey've treated and the means of paying for to get . 38 years ago, iey've treated and the means of paying for to get . 38 years ago, i was; got to get. 38 years ago, i was a member of a group of mps who produced a, uh, reform plan produced a, uh, a reform plan for the health service called the nhs , a suitable for the nhs, a suitable case for treatment. and we did make some changes useful, which changes which were useful, which tony actually upon , tony blair actually built upon, uh, in his first terms of office. but the system itself is so monolith thick and incapable of being controlled by market

mechanisms, which is really what we need to introduce here, which all country in all every other country in europe except you europe does except britain. you know, has it's its own know, ireland has it's its own model , which know, ireland has it's its own model, which doesn't rely entirely upon taxpayer funding. and yet the debate is normally presented in terms of it's got to be an insurance based model, like in parts of the united states. well actually, the united states a much more united states has a much more complicated of health complicated system of health provision, depending on what your levels are and so your income levels are and so on. then is normally talked on. um, then is normally talked aboutin on. um, then is normally talked about in the kind of mickey mouse debate that we have mouse debate that we, we have of, um, so you think of, um, so you don't think america is the model and you don't out don't think outand out privatisation is the answer necessarily ? no, i think that necessarily? no, i think that there's . got to be a combination there's. got to be a combination of financing. i think people do have to accept more and more responsibility for the cost of which they're doing, because otherwise you're waiting years for operations that need . for operations that you need. you're if orthopaedic you're if it's an orthopaedic operation, then you could be in pain with a knee operation or a hip for years . and who wants to hip for years. and who wants to go if you've got the money and people spend £10,000 on a

cruise, could spend the cruise, you could spend the money on getting a new knee. >> we'll definitely. and here's money on getting a new knee. >> problem, nitely. and here's money on getting a new knee. >> problem, lisa, 1. and here's money on getting a new knee. >> problem, lisa, iand here's money on getting a new knee. >> problem, lisa, i doj here's money on getting a new knee. >> problem, lisa, i do think's the problem, lisa, i do think that the nhs risks becoming like the where everyone's got to the bbc, where everyone's got to pay the bbc, where everyone's got to pay for it, but not everyone uses it. >> yes, think i mean, the >> yes, i think i mean, the evidence is that now people, when even even people that i know, if they can afford things they are trying to go private, which i find very sad. >> borrowing money, using life savings. >> they are and when, when i mean, when we were saying people are living longer, there are parts of the country where life expectancy is actually going down. so . some people are living down. so. some people are living longer. but i think what we might start seeing in the future if we don't start sorting out health care, housing, cost of living, poverty, the big issues is that life expectancy will go . down. >> do we need, though, to take a bit more responsibility for our own health? in the own health? i remember in the 80s my dad ran one of the 80s my dad ran a pub. one of the customers very heavy customers was a very heavy drinker and he needed a new liver his said, are

liver and his gp said, you are not getting new until not getting a new liver until you drinking. that you stop drinking. is that i want, want you to want, i want you, i want you to be sober for six months and you get your liver. otherwise it ain't i know ain't happening. i don't know whether that much tough whether we have that much tough love anymore. whether we have that much tough lowno anymore. whether we have that much tough lowno , anymore. whether we have that much tough lowno , i anymore. whether we have that much tough lowno , i think anymore. whether we have that much tough lowno , i think we've.)re. whether we have that much tough lowno , i think we've. ie. whether we have that much tough lowno , i think we've. i think >> no, i think we've. i think it's nhs. i do, it's tough in the nhs. i do, i think need to take more think that we need to take more responsibility. but i also responsibility. yes but i also think there are other think that there are other responsibilities in, um, the, the food corporations are much sugan the food corporations are much sugar. they pile it into food. i think that's, you know, there's two things here. now, listen , i two things here. now, listen, i mentioned the bbc kulveer is it biased or is it not? >> well, the telegraph say the bbc faces tougher scrutiny over its impartiality . bbc audiences its impartiality. bbc audiences think the corporation is not sufficiently impartial , while sufficiently impartial, while the culture secretary is going to say tomorrow, as she announces tougher scrutiny of the broadcaster to deal with perceived bias. lucy fraser will announce that the beeb's website and social media channels will be ofcom in an be policed by ofcom in an attempt to ensure some kind of balance is the bbc biased? >> well, surely that should already be happening .

already be happening. >> and i think that's it's in the bbc's charter, isn't it. >> and also the bbc now has verify wonder if it verify and i wonder if it appues verify and i wonder if it applies verify to itself . but applies verify to itself. but look we all you know see different things on the bbc and sometimes can too much sometimes we can read too much into but there is a into the bbc. but there is a case sometimes that you feel the editorial could be leaning anti—government , but shall we anti—government, but shall we say now it can be whichever government is in power, because sometimes the bbc can just be not happy with whichever government is in power. so i think got to take all think you've got to take all those board. but we do those things on board. but we do have to address it. sometimes it does feel that the bbc has a sense of it leans to a bit more to the centre left than it does, potentially to the right. maybe that's just a reaction. maybe that's just a reaction. maybe that's lineker's of the that's the gary lineker's of the world that are the bbc. >> left wing wouldn't say >> the left wing wouldn't say that because they they >> the left wing wouldn't say that the because they they >> the left wing wouldn't say that the bis ause they they >> the left wing wouldn't say that the bis rightthey they >> the left wing wouldn't say that the bis right wing.�*|ey think the bbc is right wing. yeah, yeah. >> so i think you cut both. >> so i think you can cut both. >> so i think you can cut both. >> there >> obviously there was a conservative supporting chairman. yeah. >> at the top bbc >> so at the top of the bbc until a few months ago, um, i mean, you think the bbc is impartial? >> uh , i don't think anybody can

>> uh, i don't think anybody can be impartial . i'm not. i'm not be impartial. i'm not. i'm not somebody thinks that, um, we somebody who thinks that, um, we don't all our life don't take all our life experiences do. but experiences with us. we do. but i think with the bbc, one thing i think with the bbc, one thing ihave i think with the bbc, one thing i have noticed about the bbc, they are becoming more disconnected. actually from parts of the country i have been watching. uh, itv more recently and they've been providing some very good documentaries and some really good, uh , political films really good, uh, political films that was usually what the bbc do . so i think the bbc are becoming more elite . becoming more elite. >> do you feel that the bbc no longer represents ordinary brits .then?is longer represents ordinary brits . then? is that is that your concern? >> i do, yeah, i remember as a kid when i was, when i, in the 70s, growing up, the bbc was for posh people and itv was for us, and then that kind of switched a bit and over the years it's changed and but, but i do think it's becoming more disconnected actually. >> i mean , the beeb would argue >> i mean, the beeb would argue that they letters of that they get letters of complaint from people saying it's wing and others it's too right wing and others saying left wing, which saying it's too left wing, which is they're is perhaps proof they're doing

it . it right. >> neil? >> neil? >> well, i don't think it's possible to decide this issue just of letters or just by the number of letters or emails you and emails that you get. and the truth is that the broadcast media class generally is , is media class generally is, is metropolitan or oriented liberal, lefty mindset . and it's liberal, lefty mindset. and it's not just the bbc, the difference is that the bbc is funded by a tv tax that we all have to pay. if we do, you pay neil, we do pay if we do, you pay neil, we do pay the tv tax because we're law abiding citizens. but uh, i can't, i can't listen, i can't listen to things like the today programme any longer. i'm afraid it me. so much that you it annoys me. so much that you do not get balance. we've had some interesting discussions today on gb news, on climate change related to the steel industry in port talbot . you industry in port talbot. you never get what you might call our side of the argument that those who are sceptical of . those who are sceptical of. these theories of man made global warming on the bbc. for them, it an explicit article them, it is an explicit article of they the of religion. they say the science settled. there can be science is settled. there can be no about it. therefore no argument about it. therefore you won't hear any. and that

no argument about it. therefore you woto hear any. and that no argument about it. therefore you woto mear any. and that no argument about it. therefore you woto me toany. and that no argument about it. therefore you woto me to be and that no argument about it. therefore you woto me to be completely seems to me to be completely wrong . overwhelmingly, bbc wrong. overwhelmingly, bbc presenters and contributors were anti—brexit for example, and it was quite clear from the subliminal , was quite clear from the subliminal, uh, bias which existed in the coverage of brexit on the bbc and not just the bbc. i'm not singling them out . all the other major out. all the other major channels were equally guilty. >> what's egregious about the beebis >> what's egregious about the beeb is that got to pay beeb is that we've got to pay for why extra for it. that's why it's extra duty be in. duty bound to be in. >> just not throw the >> can we just not throw the baby on baby out with the bath water on this? remember baby out with the bath water on this?the remember baby out with the bath water on this?the bbc remember baby out with the bath water on this?the bbc do remember baby out with the bath water on this?the bbc do somenember that the bbc do some great regional . and one of regional programmes. and one of the great things about the bbc is in most parts of the country, they've got their own news that happens. yeah. um, and i think local radio. yeah. local radio. >> many people say they would pay >> many people say they would pay the licence for bbc pay the licence fee for bbc radio alone. yeah. and well, service, bbc world service and i think, the bbc faces think, you know, the bbc faces a triple challenge. >> faces a challenge >> it faces a challenge commercially how does look commercially of how does it look to forward to fund itself going forward when by other when it's being tackle by other platforms, channels and platforms, other channels and everything else? how does it keep its editorial balance, especially an especially as we'll see an election coming it's election year coming up? it's going more scrutiny

election year coming up? it's goingever more scrutiny election year coming up? it's goingever , more scrutiny election year coming up? it's goingever , and more scrutiny election year coming up? it's goingever , and as|ore scrutiny election year coming up? it's goingever , and as an! scrutiny than ever, and as an organisation, it probably needs to reform as well. so there's a and i that the director and i know that the director general understands general there understands these challenges . it's just how do you challenges. it's just how do you much like the nhs , do to such challenges. it's just how do you mvestede the nhs , do to such challenges. it's just how do you mvested organisationdo to such challenges. it's just how do you mvested organisation ? to such a vested organisation? >> and this is what i think has been think you been forgotten. i think what you said absolutely right. there been forgotten. i think what you saa absolutely right. there been forgotten. i think what you saa role absolutely right. there been forgotten. i think what you saa role forsolutely right. there been forgotten. i think what you saa role for public( right. there been forgotten. i think what you saa role for public service there is a role for public service broadcasting , but the bbc is broadcasting, but the bbc is a vast, monolithic institution that spreads its tentacles over all sorts of areas and news, broadcasting and cultural things and regional broadcasting. the things that can't survive in a commercial world and are worth supporting. i think there is a debate to be had about that. on the hand, what is the the one hand, what is the argument for having something like radio 1 supported by a tax on on listeners who might never switch it on, for example ? um, switch it on, for example? um, and so i think that the bbc needs to be slimmed down in that respect and needs to be made more commercial over large parts of okay folks, let of its output. okay folks, let me tell you that i think the bbc could run a little tighter in its budget and be a bit more

efficient, but it does do a brilliant job. >> great tv radio >> lots of great tv and radio programmes of my programmes and some of my favourite including favourite presenters, including the now the likes of huw edwards now coming up, uh , where is he, by coming up, uh, where is he, by the way? is he on holiday now? >> you see him? no you don't. okay listen, folks, before i get myself in any trouble, uh, is it is he on sabbatical? >> can i ask you folks, do you want to hear what is in tomorrow's times? well, i've got the front page coming up, and it's cracking in there . it's a cracking story in there. a massive development in the us presidential elections. and my god, trump looks to be on the march. so we'll find out what that might mean for britain in. plus, let me tell you , my plus, let me tell you, my punst plus, let me tell you, my pundits will nominate their headune pundits will nominate their headline heroes and back page zeroes of the day. and we conducted a poll today we've been asking is net zero to blame for the port talbot steelworks closures? the results are in. i shall reveal all .

next. now, today we conducted an exclusive mark dolan tonight people's poll we've been asking is net zero to blame for the port talbot steelworks closures? the results are in and 83.3% say yes, whilst 16.7% say no . okay, yes, whilst 16.7% say no. okay, let's have a look at tomorrow's guardian now. surge in modern slavery in social care sector since visa rules eased . since visa rules eased. something that my pundit. lisa mckenzie is very concerned about. modern slavery is surging in social care since ministers relaxed immigration rules to fill vacancies with relaxed immigration rules to fi growing vacancies with relaxed immigration rules to fi growing wave vacancies with relaxed immigration rules to fi growing wave of acancies with relaxed immigration rules to fi growing wave of exploitation, a growing wave of exploitation, leading to workers being ripped off or living in squalor. it's a tragedy for those being exploited . it's a tragedy for exploited. it's a tragedy for those being cared for as well, because i can't imagine there being well , because i can't imagine there being well, um, how being cared for well, um, how about, uh uh , and one other about, uh uh, and one other story actually, before we go and it is a massive. sorry, faye, we'll just stay on the guardian for a second. a sentence i'd

never said before. santis never said before. ron de santis drops , us presidential drops out, us presidential hopeful quits the race and backs to trump. and that's , uh, that's to trump. and that's, uh, that's in the guardian. let's have a quick look at the times as well. that same story in the times. desantis race desantis quits republican race and starmer defends national trust against tory claims of wokery and crisis for parents over free child care problems with it staff and funding means that parents that want to go to work , have their kids looked work, have their kids looked after, are not able to . okay, after, are not able to. okay, let's get reaction from lisa mckenzie, lord ranger and neil hamilton and donald trump. this is not a drill called var rangen is not a drill called var ranger. uh, it appears he's certainly going to win the nomination to be the republican candidate. does he go all the way? >> it feels like the candidacy feels like an inevitable now, obviously with desantis. and obviously with desantis. and obviously after the result last week where he just trounced the field, didn't he? he was just head and shoulders above them

all. and then the challenge here, though, when they've put the polling against biden versus trump, it's been quite close, actually. the other candidates have been polling better against joe biden. so if we're talking about what will happen in november in the us, it could be a very close presidential election. if it's trump as a republican candidate, very briefly, neil, because i need to get to your nominations for headune get to your nominations for headline and page zeros. >> but i'm sure that you instinctively support donald trump. but he's not a very authentic conservative. is he? >> no, he's not a conservative at all. he's a highly radical individual and a populist and true sense that he represents the views and instincts of ordinary people who are ignored by the establishment politics in america, just as they have been in this country. of course, he's not everybody's cup of tea. you wouldn't necessarily want him as a house guest for a weekend , but a house guest for a weekend, but if you ask , you know, what was if you ask, you know, what was his presidency like ? i think it his presidency like? i think it was one of the more successful presidencies in modern times.

actually, abraham accords actually, the abraham accords in the negotiated the middle east were negotiated by him. negotiated with kim by him. he negotiated with kim jong un in north korea , and he jong un in north korea, and he managed , through his huge tax managed, through his huge tax cuts, to kick start the american economy. and re create industries that were in long time decline, like coal and steel. and so on in america. so i think the caricature that we hear about trump in this country and . the way he's portrayed in and. the way he's portrayed in the media is at variance with the media is at variance with the way millions and millions of american jews see him. and i think that he has a very good chance not just of winning nomination. that's a done deal. he was one race from the he was one horse race from the start, but also actually winning. biden is the winning. if biden is the candidate, then you know what a choice. if you ask me, which choice. and if you ask me, which is the better for britain, i say unhesitatingly, trump, because biden is a bitter enemy of this country and in so many ways , and country and in so many ways, and trump is half british himself. and i think that , you know, he

and i think that, you know, he he has a very great affection for this country. >> okay. well, listen , the >> okay. well, listen, the fascinating guy who always makes the headlines . so let's make the headlines. so let's make some of our own now with your nominations for headline hero and briefly, and back page zero. and briefly, if lisa, who's your if you can, lisa, who's your hero today? >> it's junior who has >> uh, it's my junior who has been fighting for 23 years. um, around child exploitation , uh, around child exploitation, uh, particularly in rochdale . um, particularly in rochdale. um, and finally this week , i'm not and finally this week, i'm not sure she's been heard , but the sure she's been heard, but the story is definitely out. maggie oliver, a true by oliver, a true heroine. >> what a great nomination . uh, >> what a great nomination. uh, briefly, if you can call your headune briefly, if you can call your headline hero. >> well, it is our king, king charles ii. because actually , charles ii. because actually, uh, unusually announcing why he was having medical treatment and having his prostate checked and deau having his prostate checked and dealt with because of the enlargement. but highlighting the fact of prostate cancer in men in this country, 53,000 cases a year , the highest level cases a year, the highest level of cancer cases in men , 140 of cancer cases in men, 140 cases a day. you know , anything cases a day. you know, anything that shines a light on us

looking after ourselves a bit better it's such better when it's such a prevalent issue in in society. so well done to the king. >> long live the king. and maggie oliver is neil's nomination as well and resoundingly excellent . option resoundingly excellent. option there. the clocks against us. and let's go to our back page. zeros if we can just andy burnham similar reasons. burnham for the similar reasons. >> really, mayor of >> really, he's no mayor of greater he's greater manchester. yeah, he's known about the known about he's known about the rochdale many, many rochdale scandal for many, many years. and i'm sick of seeing politicians having to do things when they're only forced here, here. >> well done. >> well done. >> okay . >> okay. >> okay. >> what, uh, what about you, calvin ? your back, page zero. calvin? your back, page zero. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> gentleman called chris o'shea. who? this week on bbc tv, 4.5 tv, announced that his 4.5 million salary can't be justified . and he's the head of justified. and he's the head of centrica, who owned british gas. and same time and this is at the same time that have highlighted that which have highlighted british gas as the worst suppuer british gas as the worst supplier in the country. so something not quite right there, because actually the majority of that salary was a bonus. so there you go. >> imagine that. listen a couple of seconds, neil, just in a word or page zero. or two, your back page zero.

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