society of service to do more to help our fellow man . it all help our fellow man. it all sounds a little bit kind of. cameron big society s to me. look how that ended up. also, did you know it was 100 years today since the first labour government? are they still the party for the working class? and do remember their first do you remember who their first prime was? don't google prime minister was? don't google it you get your answers it, but you can get your answers on a postcard. and speaking of

postcards, face royal postcards, let's face it, royal mail bit a pickle, mail is in a bit of a pickle, not least because they only want to start delivering monday to friday only. what is wrong with the attitude the work attitude in this country? time now for the country? is it time now for the royal to be renationalised royal mail to be renationalised and a school is being taken to court for refusing to muslim court for refusing to let muslim pupils pray in the playground? should there be any place for religion in schools or. not well, we're going to debate all of that with peter hitchens and alan miller. but before we do, let's cross live for the 6:00 news headlines with polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> michelle, thank you. and good evening to you. well, new weather warnings have been issued with new storm jocelyn heading for the uk tonight . but heading for the uk tonight. but just as the country recovers from storm isha, two people have died in tens of thousands remain without power after the uk was battered last night with high winds gusts of more than 100

miles an hour and heavy rain caused major travel disruption, with flooding and fallen trees forcing . uh. planes also were forcing. uh. planes also were diverted and trains were cancelled. scots rail has announced it's again suspending services from 7:00 tomorrow evening as that new weather front approaches . there'll be no front approaches. there'll be no trains on wednesday morning ehhen trains on wednesday morning either. while lines are checked for damage . meanwhile, a five for damage. meanwhile, a five day strike by linear train drivers next month has been called off. that comes as members of the aslef union prepare to launch a series of walkouts , as well as an overtime walkouts, as well as an overtime ban from next monday in their long running dispute over pay. lner drivers were due to walk out from the 5th of february, following speculation about new minimum service regulations , as minimum service regulations, as downing street denies that the government is pursuing an anti—bbc agenda . after anti—bbc agenda. after announcing a raft of reform aims as part of a review into the corporation. under the new plans, ofcom could gain more

powers over bbc news website articles if it doesn't mean relevant standards . government relevant standards. government recommendations imply why ofcom should be given increased oversight over the bbc's online services, including its youtube channel. the prime minister says bbc news is not immune to scrutiny . scrutiny. >> impartiality is an important tenet of our media industry and that's why i think all elements of the media industry have to be subject to the same impartiality rules. i think that's what people would expect, and that's what makes our media institutions so great. we a institutions so great. we have a free fair press, free and fair press, and impartiality is at the heart of what makes the bbc strong what makes the bbc a strong institution what makes the bbc a strong institutio sunak now a prank meant >> rishi sunak now a prank meant that a 13 year old boy died after he was deliberately pushed into the river. the south wales coroner's court has heard. christopher ipso was pushed by jayden pugh, who'd previously said his friend had slipped in july of 2019. the court in pontypridd heard there was also a dispute over a not whether

christopher had been pushed into the water from a ledge. the cappetta family said christopher had been a loving and caring boy . ofsted school inspections are resuming in england after they were paused to make sure inspectors have the relevant mental health training. it's after the inquest into the death of ruth perry , who took her own of ruth perry, who took her own life after her school was downgraded from outstanding to inadequate. ofsteds new boss had delayed inspections to the start of the spring terms new ofsted guidance will allow school visits to be paused if staff show signs of distress . the show signs of distress. the british farmers are today calling on mps to support tougher regulations to protect them from what they're calling unfair treatment by the so—called big six supermarkets. a dozen scarecrows have been placed outside parliament today as mps have been debating debating the reforms to the grocery supply chain . it's after

grocery supply chain. it's after 110,000 people signed a petition urging the government to overhaul the grocery supply chain's code of practice. riverford organ , the company, riverford organ, the company, which started the petition , says which started the petition, says scarecrows represent the farmers who claim they'll go out of business in the next 12 months, blaming supermarkets, buying practices as labour has been accusing the government of turning a blind eye to what it's calling corruption. after new data showed water bosses were pocketing millions despite overseeing illegal sewage spills , figures show water chiefs have received more than £10 million in bonuses and nearly £15 million in incentives since the last general election in 2019. it's also received just over 621,000 in benefits. earlier on gp news, the shadow environment secretary, steve reed, was asked what labour would do differently if it was in power. we'll play you that clip. of course, a little later on today . now the

little later on today. now the duchess of york says she is in shock but in good spirits after being diagnosed with skin cancen being diagnosed with skin cancer. sarah ferguson says she's taking some time to herself after having several moles removed , with one being moles removed, with one being identified as cancerous. it's just months after she had treatment for breast cancer. she's thanked well—wishers and medical staff for the support that she's been given , and queen that she's been given, and queen camilla has toured a domestic violence refuge in swindon to celebrate the service's 50th anniversary. her majesty met staff, volunteers and families at the swindon domestic abuse support service during her visit, queen camilla told a well—wisher that the king is actually feeling fine as he prepares to undergo treatment for an enlarged prostate this week . king for an enlarged prostate this week. king charles for an enlarged prostate this week . king charles says he wants week. king charles says he wants to be open about his condition to be open about his condition to encourage other men to get themselves checked out . that's themselves checked out. that's themselves checked out. that's the news on gb news as across the news on gb news as across the uk, on tv , in your car, on the uk, on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart

speaken digital radio and on your smart speaker. this is britain's news channel. >> thank you very much for that, polly. i did enjoy that last story though. it's great, isn't it, to see the royals racing awareness of things like domestic violence as a subject very close to my heart. it is a cancer on society , so good on cancer on society, so good on them. that's what say. anyway, cancer on society, so good on tiam . that's what say. anyway, cancer on society, so good on tiam michelle /hat say. anyway, cancer on society, so good on tiam michelle dewberry anyway, cancer on society, so good on tiam michelle dewberry i'miway, cancer on society, so good on tiam michelle dewberry i'm with i am michelle dewberry i'm with you 7:00 alongside you till 7:00 tonight alongside me, for the mail me, the columnist for the mail on sunday, peter hitchens, and the co—founder of the together campaign, miller. good campaign, alan miller. good evening you evening to both of you gentlemen. evening . you gentlemen. good evening. you know as well, don't know the drill as well, don't you? on this programme, it is not about us three. it's not just about us three. it's very guys at home very much about you guys at home as what's on your mind as well. what's on your mind tonight? you can get in touch with ways. with me all the usual ways. vaiews@gbnews.com how you vaiews@gbnews.com is how you email can tweet me or email me. or you can tweet me or ex me at gb news. now i was asking you in the start of the programme, we're going to come on to talking labour in on to talking about labour in a few minutes. it is 100 years today since formed their today since they formed their first government. know first government. do you know who that first prime minister

first government. do you know who 1don'trst prime minister first government. do you know who 1don't be prime minister first government. do you know who 1don't be googling1ister first government. do you know who 1don't be googling it, er was? don't be googling it, please, because i'll know. but tell your thoughts on that. please, because i'll know. but tell already1oughts on that. please, because i'll know. but tell already getting on that. please, because i'll know. but tell already getting in that. please, because i'll know. but tell already getting in touch you're already getting in touch because starmer to because keir starmer wants to create society of service. as create a society of service. as some of you already some of you are already saying, what's with that? isn't what's wrong with that? isn't it a thing some just a good thing? some people just want moan about absolute want to moan about absolute everything? we'll get into everything? well, we'll get into that minutes. but that in just a few minutes. but before do, let's talk before we do, let's talk housing, we? because rishi housing, shall we? because rishi sunak considering sunak now he is considering a plan to help first buyers . plan to help first time buyers. it essentially would enable much broader access to a 99% loan to value. basically mortgage. so therefore you'd need just 1% deposit on it. um, so this is basically a big expansion of the mortgage guarantee scheme in essence, do you think this is a solution to the housing woes that many people find themselves in? peter i wouldn't have thought so. >> it means there'll be settled from the very start an from the very start with an enormous debt, bigger than enormous debt, far bigger than they'll be able to cope they'll probably be able to cope with. and many of us have been through the mortgage and through the mortgage jungle and have, my case, come close to have, in my case, come close to going underwater because it just becomes expensive ,

becomes incredibly expensive, particularly interest rates particularly when interest rates get high. i don't think the idea of having a home owning democracy has been a success. i think a lot of people don't really see it as realistic. now that they can expect to own a home. if the government really wanted to take the issue of housing seriously, then it would reconsider the grave mistake made by margaret thatcher and michael heseltine in the 1980s of getting rid of council housing because it was an extremely useful way in which people could, particularly young families , find places live, families, find places to live, houses with gardens in proper communities, they could communities, which they could afford which they could move afford and which they could move to if they wanted to to and from if they wanted to move jobs. that's gone and move jobs. all that's gone and we have instead either buy your own house immensely. we have instead either buy your own house immensely . expense we have instead either buy your own house immensely. expense in spending a huge amounts of money paying spending a huge amounts of money paying interest on a debt that never seems to go away, or being stuck in the absolute scandal of housing benefit, which costs more than the royal air force and seems to me to be the most inefficient and unpleasant way of delivering housing support

that anyone's ever thought of. alan >> well, i think it's a somewhat low horizons and low in ambition to assume that for everyone in britain can't own their own home. uh i think that that's definitely something that's achievable in a modern, uh, society. however, to do that, we need to have a house building campaign. at least 5 million houses very simple supply and demand demonstrates that , you demand demonstrates that, you know, you'd have jobs for people in britain. you'd have affordability because the price would go down. it would be available now that is going to ruffle some feathers with some people who have been led to believe that their wealth is tied their house, tied up with owning their house, unfortunately. but in order for young people to be able to afford having houses and to be able to have a proper, robust investment in an industry and in employment, that's we employment, that's what we need to happen. unfortunately no to have happen. unfortunately no one's tackling that. we've got short termism again as an election year and what we need is medium and long tum planning alongside the rest of innovation. that's what we need

for house building. so this is an attempt to fix an issue that really needs to be addressed in a different way. >> so that's just that's just the housing developers anthem. >> build huge numbers of >> the you build huge numbers of houses won't make any difference to of houses because to the price of houses because of enormous of at least two enormous pressures on housing prices, which you haven't mentioned. one is the continuing mass immigration, which comes constantly into this country. the other is the breakdown of the married family, which means huge numbers families which huge numbers of families which used occupy one house used to occupy one house now occupy so the result of occupy two. and so the result of thatis occupy two. and so the result of that is that houses have become have become , um, under under have become, um, under under such heavy demand , you could you such heavy demand, you could you could concrete over the country . could concrete over the country. it wouldn't bring the price down by £1. it's a fantasy . it's by £1. it's a fantasy. it's constantly being said if we build more the price build more houses, the price will isn't true. the will go down. it isn't true. the if want , if you want to if you want, if you want to provide houses which are affordable to people, some affordable to people, then some sort public sort of subsidised public housing the way to do it. housing is the way to do it. well, it is interesting. i think the time has to recognise the time has come to recognise we mistake when got we made a mistake when we got rid it. rid of it.

>> it's interesting you say it's a and then you say will a fantasy and then you say will conquer it all and then it wouldn't be possible. the price wouldn't be possible. the price wouldn't go down all. and wouldn't go down at all. and then, you could oppose then, well, you could oppose the supposition supposition. go supposition on a supposition. go down. peter. under water. >> finish. go on. >> finish. go on. >> but supposition is that, >> but the supposition is that, um, somehow the state um, that somehow that the state would to provide it would just be able to provide it and the money will come from somewhere, subsidise somehow someone's for it. someone's got to pay for it. and the i think , is that you the point, i think, is that you can have some subsidy and you can have some subsidy and you can uh, you can have a can have a, uh, you can have a safety net. but the idea that you have blanket provision en masse to solve this issue is not the solution. and i think it lacks ambition and it has low horizons. well, one of the happiest and most prosperous times in this country was when the great house building program of the macmillan government succeeded . succeeded. >> a lot of that was council housing. a lot of those houses were very much valued by the people who lived in them. those those estates were civilised and law to live law abiding and pleasant to live on. they've been broken up on. and they've been broken up and replaced by what, by the

standards to which those houses were built were pretty high by comparison with the little box homes people are asked to homes which people are asked to live now and for which they live in now and for which they have get into colossal have to get into colossal amounts debt, telling people amounts of debt, telling people they borrow less. they they have to borrow less. they sunday people have to. they have to put to put on a smaller deposit, but borrow more isn't actually really helping them. it's just postponing the day when they'll get the mortgage off backs. these mortgages off their backs. these mortgages hang, around people's hang, hang around people's necks all lives , and in some all their lives, and in some cases, the mortgages being cases, with the mortgages being offered by banks these days, they can't conceivably hope to pay they can't conceivably hope to pay them off. this is no way for people live. and one thing people to live. and one thing that also people into the that also gets people into the very habit of indebtedness , very bad habit of indebtedness, which is which certainly my generation was brought up , in my generation was brought up, in my view, rightly, to dread. well the one thing you didn't mention was that he was to decades of economic development and growth, which what underwrote a lot which is what underwrote a lot of that. >> and of course, we had the world war and all the intervention that had to have as a consequence, because of that. so two decades growth.

so we had two decades of growth. we've very, very sluggish we've had very, very sluggish growth then in britain, growth since then in britain, and be more and we have to be more ambitious. we to have ambitious. we have to have innovation. should be innovation. there should be safety but there safety provision, but there needs a comprehensive needs to be a comprehensive house and house building campaign and the issue borders or issue of the borders or migration whatever should be migration or whatever should be handled context. each of handled in that context. each of these needs be these things needs to be addressed . addressed robustly. >> let me just ask you, when you saying about, you know, we shouldn't got rid of these shouldn't have got rid of these council houses and the rest council houses and all the rest of you're referring to of it. so you're referring to the thing like right to buy. so are you are you against the concept to buy or concept of right to buy or hinckley, is it fact that hinckley, or is it the fact that they didn't replenish stock? they didn't replenish the stock? >> weren't to >> well, they weren't allowed to replenish the stock because immediately any council house comes, immediately any council house corsold. it can be sold. and be sold. it can be sold. and they weren't allowed to spend. i think receipts housing think the receipts on on housing ehhen think the receipts on on housing either. i think the, the either. but i think the, the actual selling was part of actual selling off was part of the mistake. these housing estates were working settled communities of a kind which were extremely valuable, and they were broken up and destroyed by the sale of council houses . if the sale of council houses. if people want to buy houses, sure ,

people want to buy houses, sure, i've bought a house over a very long period of time and i'm glad ultimately that i did it, but it was a huge stretch and i'm not by any means one of the worst paid people in this country, and i sympathise greatly with people who are not as well paid as i am, who want to have a decent sized house in which to raise a family with children, with a garden which they play garden in which they can play and can have a and which you can have a healthy, settled life. and this is readily available to an is not readily available to an awful people in the awful lot of people in the standards houses now standards of the houses now being i see them being built. when i see them seem me to be dismal compared seem to me to be dismal compared with people to in with what people used to live in back in the 50s. and 60s. >> well, go on. >> well, go on. >> i think that's it. >> well, i think that's it. could be said about the standards. think it's really standards. i think it's really problematic. the notion that ordinary working ordinary people working class people, should be people, the aspiration should be to provide them to have the state provide them with a home. it was only ever meant to be a safety net. now you can all sorts of you can look at all sorts of places around the world where there house building there are big house building campaigns mean, as campaigns going on. i mean, as it happens, nashville in tennessee, of tennessee, you see a lot of people different people moving in different states there's actual states where there's actual expansion are low in

expansion and they are low in price, and they sometimes they increase of it. increase as a consequence of it. but but the thing is to say, it's the mantra of the house building associations. it seems to be preposterous. there's an oligopoly country oligopoly here in this country that lobbying that have enormous lobbying pressure the government. and pressure on the government. and there's a kind of, uh , there's a there's a kind of, uh, there's a there's a kind of, uh, there's a there's problem , there's a there's a problem, there's a bottleneck with the fact that they're actually preventing, uh, local builders and many others from being able to develop in the way that it should be done. and i think that really we need scale that means that tackling the question thorny question of the question thorny question of the green belt and other areas as we know that a huge as well. but we know that a huge percentage, i think it's 85% of the uk is not developed as it happens , and we have lots of happens, and we have lots of area where we can do it. it would also provide lots of employment and we need to tackle it, not to try and put a plaster overit it, not to try and put a plaster over it by saying we're just going to reduce the deposit amount and get same amount and get into the same situation we saw in 2008. >> do you remember, like >> and do you remember, like when about council when we talk about council housing, story caught my eye when we talk about council hothe g, story caught my eye when we talk about council hothe last story caught my eye when we talk about council hothe last fewy caught my eye when we talk about council

hothe last few days,]ht my eye when we talk about council hothe last few days, actually, e of the last few days, actually, where you've a labour mp. so where you've got a labour mp. so the salary about £86,000 the mp salary is about £86,000 or their or thereabouts living in a council flat . you used to in a council flat. you used to have that union boss, the very proudly declared that he lived in house. so when it in a council house. so when it comes to who should be eligible for said council property , i for said council property, i mean surely not people that are getting 80 odd grand a year? >> i would have thought not. no. and someone in that position shouldn't shouldn't do that . but shouldn't shouldn't do that. but it still doesn't tax all the issue of what people who are on far, far less than that, but who are working hard to get any income at all, should have to pay income at all, should have to pay for a house in which you can raise a family. this is the crucial thing people crucial thing that people want. they house in which they they want a house in which they can raise a family, particularly a house with garden in a safe a house with a garden in a safe and settled crime area. and and settled crime free area. and that's what they can't, and that's what they can't, by and large, an the people are large, get an and the people are compelled live much compelled to live in much smaller even flats smaller houses and even flats which fit for which are not really fit for family and the lives that people are leading are much more confined they be. confined than they should be. and that a revival of

and i think that a revival of something we don't have to call it the same thing for, like a revival something resembling revival of something resembling the house building the council house building programme the 1950s would be programme of the 1950s would be a of doing it than in a better way of doing it than in trying to encourage people to take can't take on mortgages they can't really throw that open to >> let me throw that open to you. uh, who do you agree with? and what about this whole premise council house, and premise of a council house, and so who should so to speak, who should be eligible those? eligible for one of those? because surely in this day and age, you've got an mp on age, when you've got an mp on nearly 90 grand a year, living in council flat, what? that in a council flat, what? that doesn't make sense, it? doesn't make any sense, does it? um, says, don't normally um, john says, i don't normally agree peter hitchens, but agree with peter hitchens, but he's right. he he's absolutely right. when he talks council talks about building council houses, absolutely the houses, that is absolutely the right high right answer. will says high house become a drag house prices have become a drag on should be on the economy. they should be more to lower the more competition to lower the price houses. says . given price of houses. den says. given the wasted by the billions wasted by government loans government on student loans which be repaid , which will never be repaid, surely then they could fund a scheme pays deposit scheme which pays the deposit element for first time buyers only up to 10. i like your thinking it's radical, but is that the direction we should be going in that we, the taxpayers?

because the government has no money, they've got our money, they've only got our money. should we be paying money. um, should we be paying the for people then the deposits for people to then have in their homes? have as assets in their homes? do do like that idea? do you do you like that idea? and let's remind ourselves as well, house building target well, the house building target was of course, that was 300,000. of course, that hasn't missed. don't need hasn't been missed. i don't need to all that net to remind you all that net migration multiple times migration was multiple times that you even put that. so you couldn't even put all the new people coming into the country in figure of the country in that figure of 300,000. it's a never ending cycle. what's your solution to it now? after the break, keir starmer wants to create a society of service. what does that even mean? it's all about voluntary work and how we are supporting our fellow man. do we need to do more? is also 100 years to the day since the first labour government was formed, who first prime who was their first prime minister? tell me and i'll minister? you tell me and i'll see you in two.

rather than say, we're not going to do it at all, they are trying to do it at all, they are trying to do it with, with a chartered vessel. >> hi there. i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company till seven here on dewbs & co

till seven here on dewbs& co alongside me, the columnist for the mail on sunday, peter hitchens, and the co—founder of the together campaign, alan miller . um, the together campaign, alan miller. um, kieran says there's only one way to buy a house these days , and that is to move these days, and that is to move back in with your parents and hope that they don't charge you rent. i can hear a nation there , rent. i can hear a nation there, uh, of parents groaning. kieran saying, are you kidding me? i've only just rid of them and only just got rid of them and now you want me to take them back for free? um john says michelle, easy michelle, there's an easy solution there are so solution to this. there are so many bedrooms, uh, that many empty bedrooms, uh, that could house all of those people needing somewhere to stay a twice over the divorce rate means so many single means we have so many single occupiers. i'm going to level with you, john. i won't let a random come and live in my spare room. would you? maybe you're a more decent than get more decent person than i get in touch and let me know. um let's move on to politics, shall we? keir been keir starmer, he has been addressing today, addressing us all today, speaking how we need, speaking out about how we need, you a new vision. you guessed it, a new vision. listen now we need a new vision for a new era, a renewed social

contract, a new focus on those who build the bonds that connect us, the communities that nurture us, the communities that nurture us and the local institutions that support us. >> a society of service . because >> a society of service. because when i look around for 18 years of chaos and crisis have pushed people to the brink, stretched charities like yours beyond their limits and damage the social fabric that ties us together . together. >> well, there you go. yeah, that's keir starmer. he was addressing the civil society summit right. addressing the civil society summit right . the pro bono summit right. the pro bono economics chief said this. he said keir starmers speech today is the first time a political leader in the uk has set out a strategic vision for how the sector can serve as a partner to government, since david cameron's big society concept in 2010. let's remind ourselves of that one as well, shall we? question is what is the best way to run our country? >> and my view is that the big

top down government solutions to every problem that isn't working anymore. and so it is time to time to try something different. and i think the idea of the big society is trying to help individuals and communities and voluntary to come voluntary bodies to come together and find solutions to the problems that we have, whether it is the provision of good schools or feeling you want to improve your neighbourhood . to improve your neighbourhood. >> and who'd have thought when he was giving that speech that fast a few years later fast forward a few years later and he would back in and he would be back in government. this world a government. this world is a crazy one, isn't uh, peter crazy one, isn't it? uh, peter hitchens, whole of hitchens, on this whole kind of nofion hitchens, on this whole kind of notion we need more need to notion of we need a more need to be more serving as a society to do to help and all do more, to help others and all the it. do you agree the rest of it. do you agree with that? >> well, it would be great, but we've marched so many people, particularly of the particularly women, out of the home into work in the home and into paid work in the past 40 years that the people who the bulk of the who used to do the bulk of the volunteering are now not volunteering. they're paid volunteering. they're being paid . this change from . and this is this change from from being at home and from being being at home and being in the community to being a wage slave has transformed our

society . so where are you going society. so where are you going to find the to the to find the people to staff the society service? i don't society of service? i don't exactly know. this has been one of biggest changes of of the biggest social changes of human history that we have. any neighbourhood you care to think of used to be full of women who stayed at home looking after, looking . after the home and also looking. after the home and also doing a lot of voluntary work until quite recently. now it's all coming to an end. where are they going to come from? >> but who do you think is responsible then for driving this, um cohort of women from the home into work? >> things. one, there >> oh, two things. one, there was enormous of feminist was a enormous wave of feminist belief that working outside the home the only form of work home was the only form of work that respectable, that that was respectable, that working home was working in the home was contemptible and contemptible and pathetic. and you do it. the you shouldn't do it. and the other, of course, the large other, of course, was the large number who rapidly number of employers who rapidly realised were exactly realised that women were exactly the employees they needed, and they wanted lots and lots of them, and they welcomed it. so this revolution happened with the cooperation of both the supposed supposed supposed left and the supposed right together and right getting together and saying, let's have more saying, yep, let's have more

women and the whole, women wage slaves and the whole, the of society was the whole of society was transformed. where transformed. that's where an awful of the volunteers have awful lot of the volunteers have gone. you'll find most of the volunteers doing things these days because they they days are old because they they went through life before this change happened . don't change happened. but i don't know where ones are know where the new ones are going come going to come from. >> this i always love >> i find this i always love these conversations about women going back into the workplace. so we hear them. feminism so we just hear them. feminism is uh, employers is to blame. uh, employers wanting women. no one ever looks at the role of men. there are so many men in society. no offence to the two sat next to me that are unruly liable so. and sirs , are unruly liable so. and sirs, uh, philander or uh, they'll philander or whatever they leave women whatever. and they leave women with responsibility for children. don't pay what children. they don't pay what they need to, and then the women have go to work to support have to go to work to support their kids. but anyway, their own kids. but anyway, don't get me started that, don't get me started on that, cause off topic. cause i'm going off topic. uh, alan, are just just alan, where you are just just on. i mean, just on this point, >> i mean, just on this point, it's to previous it's similar to the previous point, which that people need point, which is that people need to paid more money. it's to get paid more money. it's ironic and a problem that it's great women are able to great that women are able to work paid. they were work and they're paid. they were always were unpaid

always working. they were unpaid in the domestic arena. it's great to work and great they're able to work and they're that they're the problem is that those together those that are still together and separated, but and many are separated, but those still together now. those are still together now. it's there's it's economically there's an incentive to be together incentive not to be together because you don't make enough money. people being paid in money. both people being paid in a household comparatively to 30 years ago. so we have an issue in britain with people not being paid enough. and that's because we have sluggish economy. but we have a sluggish economy. but to point , it is we have a sluggish economy. but to point, it is interesting to this point, it is interesting that keir is attempting to create present an idea of cohesion and a vision and unity, but it's very ironic to me because one thing you could note straight away is that he talks about carers and millions of people are actually caring in britain. many of them are unpaid at moment. men and women. at the moment. men and women. >> tell you the >> can i just tell you the carers allowance? right. was carers allowance? right. i was looking at this today. the carers allowance absolutely blew my ridiculous this my mind. how ridiculous this is. you get about £76.75 a week you can get about £76.75 a week if you care for about 35 hours per week. so if you break that down to an hourly i'm not going to call it a wage, but let's just use that. it amounts to £2.19 per hour.

>> preposterous. so >> it's preposterous. so millions are caring at the moment. we don't really need a lecture or support from care telling us these things, but it is interesting that we saw that when the government wanted to impose a mandatory vaccine programme with care workers he supported, that didn't challenge it , and we supported, that didn't challenge it, and we lost supported, that didn't challenge it , and we lost 45,000 care it, and we lost 45,000 care workers, putting more pressure on the care sector and on the nhs . and indeed, he was nhs. and indeed, he was a champion and tubthumper of longer, harder , faster lockdowns longer, harder, faster lockdowns which had enormous financial implications and massively on the care sector and on people that are looking after people, elderly and others losing jobs, a whole range of areas . that a whole range of areas. that isn't about creating unity . so isn't about creating unity. so now people want to try and kind of forget that they did all that and say, oh, what we need and blame it all on. like these other things. and i think that it's have an it's a great to have an aspiration for the future. but there's a lot of platitudes here for, um, uh, talking about setting long terme targets in his speech, but we don't really

know what they are. and this is an attempt really to have a feel good cosmetic, a bit like a cool britannia moment. but the actual content it means is content of what it means is really sorely lacking . really sorely lacking. >> say i'm so glad >> let's just say i'm so glad you mentioned the effect on on the the you mentioned the effect on on the covid the you mentioned the effect on on the covid panic the you mentioned the effect on on the covid panic and the actual great covid panic and the actual shutting down of so much of the civil society that sir keir starmer today says he's in favour of. but at that time enthusiastically supported the closing down of. it's a slogan. it's i thought when david cameron came out with the big society, it was a slogan. it was a basically a pr man's or an advertising man's attempt to capture the headline . and i capture the headline. and i think this is true, and i think it should be treated with a great deal of suspicion. >> um, he also said keir starmer, he's basically saying the glue that bridge gaps in the glue that bridge the gaps in a fabnc the glue that bridge the gaps in a fabric has become a social fabric has become frayed. >> one of the other things that he took aim at the he did is he took aim at the tories. he basically said that they've demonised a lot of charities and people the charities and people within the voluntary alan, he mentioned the example, alan, he mentioned the rnli, uh, he mentioned the

national trust. are you on that? >> i think the thing is he's trying he's saying that the tories have created a war, tories have created a fake war, a woke against woke and it's completely spurious . and there's completely spurious. and there's all these people that are doing great work. there are great work. yes, there are people line doing people on the front line doing great the great work, but in the institutions, as we've seen that die , the goals of diversity, die, um, the goals of diversity, eqtu die, um, the goals of diversity, equity and inclusion as well as esg have become rampant and dominant, and they've become in a situation where they've become more preoccupied with those goals and those objectives than they have with their core work. to say that it's a fake war and it's just sowing division is actually being very disingenuous. and keir is actually ignoring the fact that many of the labour organisations and councils up and down the country are promoting these things as well. >> and speaking of labour, it's 100 years today since they first formed the first government. do you think fast forward these 100 years, you know , all of the kind years, you know, all of the kind of wants and desires and beliefs that they set out to do? so

essentially to be the party of the working man? are they still true that or not at all? true to that or not at all? >> no. labour has long ago ceased to be the party of the working it's become well, working man. it's become well, it it up, the it gave it up, and the leadership of the labour party, they way in they began this in a big way in they began this in a big way in the 50s and 60s under anthony crosland and roy jenkins, becoming much more concerned with social revolution, social reform a complete reform and indeed a complete transformation of society and all kinds of ways . the worst all kinds of ways. the worst thing they did, the single worst thing they did, the single worst thing they did, symbol of the desertion of their own supporters, was their destruction of state grammar schools by which working class children attain to the children could attain to the very highest of education very highest levels of education without anybody having to pay any destroyed any fees at all. they destroyed them in an act of egalitarian spite , which hurt their own , spite, which hurt their own, their own supporters enormously . their own supporters enormously. and you've seen it since the, the issue of immigration has been a huge divide between the labour leadership and their and their members. you saw the great clash between gordon brown and gillian duffy, which happened to

be recorded by accident . that be recorded by accident. that was actually of the most was actually one of the most significant moments in british politics it revealed he politics because it revealed he he turned away from this woman and described as a bigot, and described her as a bigot, and described her as a bigot, and all she was doing was was saying a bigot. she saying she wasn't a bigot. she was something perfectly was saying something perfectly reasonable, the labour reasonable, which the labour party, it was by then party, because it was by then the party of northwest london, rather than the party of the working class, had completely despised voters . but and despised its own voters. but and finally revealed on, on, on, on, on record that this was so i think that was actually the principal reason for the for the vote to leave the european union . a few years later, i do you'll be familiar with what he's talking about. >> that's when he got in the car and he had his microphone still on.and and he had his microphone still on. and of course, gillian was talking about the, uh, uncontrolled immigration in her area it was affecting area and how it was affecting her neighbourhood. and as area and how it was affecting her says,aighbourhood. and as area and how it was affecting her says, he1bourhood. and as area and how it was affecting her says, he basicallyi. and as area and how it was affecting her says, he basically said! as area and how it was affecting her says, he basically said , as peter says, he basically said, oh, she's a bigoted woman. oh, she's just a bigoted woman. um anyway, alan, your thoughts? >> labour should change its >> uh, labour should change its name actually. name, actually. >> happened in labour, >> what's happened in labour, unfortunately, is , uh, it's unfortunately, is, uh, it's

created a situation where it has contempt for ordinary people , contempt for ordinary people, where david lammy will say to, if you're a plumber, get on the tube don't worry about having stepladders and your book is in. you don't need a car. don't worry about the fact we're shutting down the roads. we're having on working having an attack on working ordinary people. um, where do we see situation where idea ordinary people. um, where do we seyand;ituation where idea ordinary people. um, where do we seyand gammonshere idea ordinary people. um, where do we seyand gammons are idea ordinary people. um, where do we seyand gammons are presented, of and gammons are presented, where we're almost everyone's a nazi everywhere. they're calling people nazis because they're so estranged from working people. it wasn't just the red wall dunng it wasn't just the red wall during the situation with brexit. it's much more now on an everyday basis. this kind of lacking a connection . and they lacking a connection. and they really represent graduates and people in cities and, and um, at the same time , you know, it used the same time, you know, it used to be the case that amongst conservatives you'd see all sorts of people, you'd see people who had shops and parents or people who had shops and people that would work, people and of thing. and now and that kind of thing. and now you've kind of you've got this kind of blancmange people that blancmange of people that have been oxbridge in this been at oxbridge in this situation and reflected and we

need to get some change, and we need to get some change, and we need get some more need to get some more independence some new ideas independence and some new ideas very quickly. >> written and said, >> ken's written in and said, can ask panel? i need >> ken's written in and said, can answers panel? i need >> ken's written in and said, can answers on panel? i need >> ken's written in and said, can answers on this. .? i need >> ken's written in and said, can answers on this. whateed >> ken's written in and said, can answers on this. what do brief answers on this. what do they even working class? he they even call working class? he says to me, an outdated, says to me, it's an outdated, outdated, meaningless phrase which social which used to define social status longer has any status but no longer has any relevance all. relevance at all. >> we all know exactly >> i think we all know exactly what it means. it means people who pretty the who live pretty much on the edge, working for a living and with no other support. with no other means of support. and think there are a lot of and i think there are a lot of people like that, whether they work in big factories or for themselves, makes little themselves, makes very little difference. people difference. these are the people who ought to represent, difference. these are the people who they ought to represent, difference. these are the people who they don't. ht to represent, and they don't. >> you're two weeks away >> yeah, you're two weeks away from you sell your from poverty. you sell your laboun from poverty. you sell your labour. that's don't labour. that's what you don't have. you don't own capital. it's straightforward. have. you don't own capital. it'sand straightforward. have. you don't own capital. it'sand strsee,:forward. have. you don't own capital. it's and strsee, i)rward. have. you don't own capital. it's and strsee, i disagree with >> and you see, i disagree with both of you respectfully, because basically because to me you're basically saying it's people that graft and essentially to and you're essentially close to the edge. >> think it's anything >> i don't think it's anything to with how financially to do with how financially secure you are. to me, working class mindset it's class is a mindset and it's a value and it's a principle value set and it's a principle set. and you could be going out and grafting every day your and grafting every day of your life and you could have become a multi—millionaire, to me,

multi—millionaire, but to me, you've of you've got that essence of a working , value set working class mindset, value set and principles set. >> so it's not i think, i think there's two different uses there's just two different uses of turn. of the same turn. >> it's a different thing. what we're is, is the we're talking about is, is the economic economic economic is the economic position of a of a person who really needs political party really needs a political party which is on his or her side and hasn't one at the moment. hasn't got one at the moment. what make to that? what do you guys make to that? >> at the start of that >> uh, at the start of that programme, at start that programme, at the start of that topic it was suggested topic as well, it was suggested that labour party perhaps should change name. what to let me know? >> um, i think alan came up with a name. the blancmange party. >> blancmange party, clive >> the blancmange party, clive says, talking says, look, you're all talking about . if to about society. if you want to serve your society, join a rotary club . government is not rotary club. government is not required , he says. i'll tell you required, he says. i'll tell you what's not required. uh, imminently, it seems a saturday letter delivery. what do you think to that royal mail basically wanting to work monday to friday has privatised , to friday has privatised, failed. now is it time to renationalise ? is it? you tell renationalise? is it? you tell me. this is dewbs& co on gb news

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radio . radio. >> hi there. michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. columnist for the mail on sunday, peter hitchens, along side me as he's a co—founder of the together campaign. alan miller has just sent me a message on x or twitter saying, i'm really enjoying your show today. two excellent guests. he says, up . well, we'll today. two excellent guests. he sayour up . well, we'll today. two excellent guests. he sayour best up . well, we'll today. two excellent guests. he sayour best royalnell, we'll today. two excellent guests. he sayour best royal mail we'll today. two excellent guests. he sayour best royal mail .re'll today. two excellent guests. he sayour best royal mail . uh, try our best royal mail. uh, let's talk about them, shall we? essentially, there's, uh, essentially, now there's, uh, consideration about whether or not be allowed to not they should be allowed to scrap saturday postal scrap their saturday postal deliveries . uh, this going to deliveries. uh, this is going to be of ofcom's review. uh, be part of ofcom's review. uh, they seem to be losing money hand over fist as well. i have to say royal mail. let's just cut to the chase on this and ask, do think it's time to ask, do you think it's time to renationalise it? >> peter well, i'd love to renationalised almost everything because mistake to because it was a big mistake to privatise it, but i it's not going make difference. going to make any difference. >> the post office is in whatever the bit of it is that we're discussing, because you can't call the post office

can't call it the post office anymore, can you? yeah royal mail, not mail, at least it's not consignia. ceasing to consignia. it just is ceasing to function because most of its important profitable areas have been away as a result of been taken away as a result of privatisation. so if you're if you're trying to make money out of service, of a basic postal service, you won't. so prices go up won't. and so their prices go up and up. and what happened last christmas with an awful lot of people said, that's people was they said, that's enough. not sending enough. we're not sending christmas it's christmas cards anymore. it's just expensive. especially christmas cards anymore. it's just exjwere/e. especially christmas cards anymore. it's just exjwere told specially christmas cards anymore. it's just exjwere told they ally christmas cards anymore. it's just exjwere told they had to when they were told they had to get rid of all their old stamps, and they had to start using these with barcodes, these new ones with barcodes, barcodes. they are barcodes. and they are fantastically if you fantastically expensive if you go before go and buy. even before the pnces go and buy. even before the prices went up, you go and buy a block it's huge block of those. it's huge amounts money. amounts of money. >> i bought four last week. it was over £5 and so that's what's happening. >> and that's that's what shall they the saturday delivery they stop the saturday delivery when live? when are these people live? saturday it's a myth. saturday delivery. it's a myth. well doesn't for most well it doesn't happen for most people. isn't one. people. there isn't one. delivery days a week is delivery five days a week is a rarity. where i live rarity. they seem where i live to up the letters for to save up the letters for several days and then deliver them all in one lump. >> someone twitter, ex >> someone on my twitter, my ex says delivering says they're not delivering on a saturday would be great, because

basically would it's basically it would mean it's just one less to get junk just one less day to get junk mails , says. are you on mails, he says. where are you on it, alan? >> um, i can understand that. people. what people want is they want a running orderly, a cost effective system , and they want effective system, and they want control. this is what people are saying now, you know who wants control? well, i think that people that were, on the one hand, businesses that are selling, that are sending cards and selling things, i think that the as well, there's the public as well, there's an aspiration should be aspiration that things should be affordable and they should be efficient. the problem is, is not that. it's i agree with not just that. it's i agree with peter on this, i think that peter on this, but i think that if you look at we do have if you look at where we do have a public sector, it's got massive problems, right? we are the biggest employer in the world. i think, with the nhs. and you look at the bloating and if you look at the bloating there of too much management, too ideological, not enough efficiency, not enough for the frontline workers and too much for management who getting for management who are getting far too paid. you have a similar situation , an all very situation, an all very ideological. so to ideological. so we have to address this at the core, which

is need to. you talk is we need to. when you talk about visions, we need to have an outlook that pose for britain for next 50 or 100 years for the next 50 or 100 years that says this kind that says this is the kind of society want be broken. society we want to be broken. britain needs to get resolved. it's not going short it's not going to be short termism, peter says, termism, right? when peter says, is it? it's not going to be realistic. this is the realism it needs to have investment over a time. we need a long period of time. we need to efficient. we need to to be efficient. we need to incorporate technology and innovation and tell people that there's going to be costs and it's to expensive, but it's going to be expensive, but we're there. then we're going to get there. then you about what parts you could talk about what parts you could talk about what parts you that would be you might have that would be nationalised. state can nationalised. the state can provide parts would be provide and what parts would be the capital could do. the private capital could do. and you can combine the two. so um, yeah, the nhs, by the way, i think it's about the seventh, uh, there or thereabouts. >> biggest employer the >> biggest employer in the world. look, what's this? world. um, look, what's this? les, there's no problem with stopping saturday deliveries. les, there's no problem with stopppeople urday deliveries. les, there's no problem with stopppeople usey deliveries. les, there's no problem with stopppeople use email eries. les, there's no problem with stopppeople use email eriestext most people use email and text now, workers then get now, but would workers then get reduced pay? says it reduced pay? diana says it should definitely be renationalised. should renationalised. it should never have into the private have been put into the private sector in the first place. and juue sector in the first place. and julie says, can you make a good

point here, please don't point here, michel? please don't blame the purses themselves for the proposed change. it's not them they haven't asked to drop saturdays because lazy. saturdays because they're lazy. it's royal mail trying to modernise their business model. ihappen modernise their business model. i happen to know as well that i have some posters that watch this get in touch this program. you get in touch with do this with me whenever i do this topic. respect to you. you work in a really, tough in a really, really tough circumstance. in some cases. circumstance. uh, in some cases. and shout out to my mom's and a shout out to my mom's postie as well. knows he postie as well. he knows who he is. absolutely uh, is. absolutely love him. uh, right the break, a really right after the break, a really interesting story. this a school has court because has been taken to court because it won't allow muslim pupils to pray playground . what do pray in the playground. what do you make to this? is it time now? basically for all religion? basically to be banned in schools? see you in two.

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together campaign, alan miller. we about caring . we were talking about caring. uh, jackie says i'll be next uh, jackie says i'll be 77 next week, and i'm a full time carer for my 83 year old husband, who's she says who's got parkinson's. she says icannot who's got parkinson's. she says i cannot get a penny. carers allowance because i'm in receipt of an old age pension. it's really not fair or proper, is it 7 really not fair or proper, is it ? uh, keep your thoughts on that subject coming in. but for now, uh, katharine birbalsingh , you uh, katharine birbalsingh, you might who she is. she's might know who she is. she's known britain's strictest known as britain's strictest head . she is basically head teacher. she is basically being taken to court because in her school , she's essentially her school, she's essentially got a ban on prayer. what's happened now is a muslim pupil has basically said this is not acceptable. and it's discriminating against the islamic faith because there is a got a very demonstrable way of praying. peter, let me just ask you a simple question. should we just kind of ban all religious varne from schools on the contrary, i think all schools, if i if i could have anything to do with the legislation, then it's all schools should be free to have prayer. >> if they want. i'm in favour

of them being christian schools and therefore i have to be in favour of the being muslim schools. if people want there to be, and even atheist schools if people want them to be. i don't think schools should be told they can't. they can't express or or or or suggest any religious belief at all. and that leaves me in a rather awkward position with catherine birbalsingh, who i like very much and think is a terrific teacher and who's done a fantastic job with with the michaela school. but i think that really you have to accept that, that there has to be prayer in schools if people want it . it. >> do you agree, alan? >> do you agree, alan? >> well, i quite like the american separation of church and state on this issue . and state on this issue. generally. i think there's a problem that in the so—called with no , it even says it with no, it even says it anymore. people are embarrassed saying a christian country is a country that, know, when i country that, you know, when i was growing there'd was growing up, there'd be prayers and hymns sung at school. very little of that now. and the church of and actually the church of england probably doing england is probably doing a better than anything else to

better job than anything else to have less people follow it with with pursuing, uh, areas of with not pursuing, uh, areas of faith. so i think there's a lack of commitment and promotion of, of commitment and promotion of, of religion and faith. that's embarrassing . gatekeepers don't embarrassing. gatekeepers don't do it. embarrassing. gatekeepers don't doit.the embarrassing. gatekeepers don't do it. the problem is, in an education setting. now, i think that katharine birbalsingh is really right in this situation. she has demonstrably illuminated what it means to be have a great, um, performance record to have consistency in having children from all walks of life with a whole, you know, talk about many different types of ethnic backgrounds and class , ethnic backgrounds and class, um, groups that have consistently scored really, really highly in terms of their academic performance and had unity and the role of schooling. if anything else, is to create a sense of a universal project, who we all are within britain, within england , as a society and within england, as a society and that's really speaks to this. partly the failure of the multicultural model and why integration in uh, with people under standing about values and that kind of thing was all part

of it. and i think that she's done a really good job in getting different groups together, having compromise is because there jehovah's because there are jehovah's witnesses there. there are christians, muslims, christians, there are muslims, there who all there are secular people who all don't certain she's don't want certain things. she's saying these the rules of saying these are the rules of the school and different schools to peter's point, can can have different rules. you know, i could definitely go different rules. you know, i could with definitely go different rules. you know, i could with that.finitely go different rules. you know, i could with that. youely go different rules. you know, i could with that. you have» along with that. you have academies and others. and i think that what we're seeing now, like we're seeing with the barclays we're seeing barclays school, is we're seeing a situation where there's a, a violent threat of you can't say that or a legal threat if you can't say you can't do that with an attempt to squash the secular situation. and i'm very concerned about it, that we're seeing some of this. and unfortunately, you've really it's around the kind of concerns around islam and i think we have to address it and talk about it everywhere and deal with it and not shy away from it. and it's particularly concerning that schools get threatened with, um, bombs and violence , uh, bombs and violence, uh, regardless of what's happening in other parts of the world,

it's just unacceptable. >> that's indefensible. and no one defends that. and that's a disgrace. whoever is responsible for that must be condemned. and one hopes that the police will find out who they are. that's separate. if the truth is, though, for me it would be an act hypocrisy anything act of hypocrisy to say anything other i say. if a lot other than what i say. if a lot of children at michaela school wanted to have christian prayers and they they went to the head and they they went to the head and said, we want to have a christian president sometime on every day of the week, then what would i have to say? i'd have to say that i supported them. well, if of children come and if a group of children come and say to have muslim say they want to have muslim prayers, i have to, in all fairness, they should do it prayers, i have to, in all fai well. they should do it prayers, i have to, in all fai well. it they should do it prayers, i have to, in all fai well. it doesn't;hould do it prayers, i have to, in all fai well. it doesn't taked do it prayers, i have to, in all fai well. it doesn't take very it as well. it doesn't take very long. it's small part out of long. it's a small part out of the day. uh, in general, religious beliefs supports the ideas discipline and ideas of discipline and self—control and trust, which but what this headmaster is saying, by the way, for anyone not with story, not familiar with the story, she's that they were she's saying that they were doing collective prayer . she's saying that they were doiithose.ective prayer . she's saying that they were doiithose people)rayer . she's saying that they were doiithose people thatr . she's saying that they were doiithose people that wanted to she's saying that they were dothe ose people that wanted to she's saying that they were dothe playground. 1at wanted to she's saying that they were dothe playground. thenanted to she's saying that they were dothe playground. then she'sto in the playground. then she's saying, then what started happening was then started happening was she then started noticing changing as a

noticing things changing as a dynamic school. dynamic in a school. she's saying for example, people saying that for example, people are pressured are then being pressured to do things headscarves or things like wear headscarves or perhaps pressured to not perhaps being pressured to not do because that was haram do this because that was haram and this haram, and the and this was haram, and all the rest then she then rest of it. so then she then said, basically this is upsetting kind um, upsetting the kind of, um, harmony within school . so, harmony within the school. so, you what? i'm just to you know what? i'm just going to pull plug on all of it. pull the plug on all of it. we're not going do it. so we're not going to do it. so that's kind of background to that's the kind of background to this. so let me know what you think to it all. it'll be absolutely fascinating to see what of this what the outcome of this legal challenge is. lots of people getting if getting in touch and saying, if you the parameters of you don't like the parameters of the you're someone the school, if you're someone that go and pray and do that wants to go and pray and do whatever it is, then go to a different why is it this different school, why is it this nofion different school, why is it this notion dislike notion that you dislike something? you've got to try something? so you've got to try and the something? and change the something? >> had that and change the something? >> what had that and change the something? >> what is had that and change the something? >> what is to had that and change the something? >> what is to say had that and change the something? >> what is to say thati that and change the something? >> what is to say that the at rule. what is to say that the school that rule was in place already the muslim students and parents them there parents that sent them there knew about this rule. >> one of the things is that >> and one of the things is that you unsupervised you can't have unsupervised access, the access, and because of the specific the school, specific nature of the school, all of which is explicitly clear, people join it, clear, when people join it, sure. >> but i still that trying

>> but i still think that trying to to get yourself well, to trying to get yourself well, getting yourself involved in a dispute whether people dispute over whether people can pray not necessarily pray or not is not necessarily a good way of reaching a compromise . compromise. >> i mean, you made the good point as well. um, the islamist fanatics that are going around thinking it's okay to issue bomb threats to schools because you're not getting own way. you're not getting your own way. it's disgraceful. and it's a slippery but that's what slippery slope, but that's what you you allow you get when you allow aggressive mobs basically to start doing things like pushing school teachers into hiding , school teachers into hiding, fearing for their life. you let that stuff go on and it'll just expand and expand. look, peter says really enjoyed the says he's really enjoyed the show tonight. thank my panel. consider yourself thanked. i asked you at the start of the program who was the first labour prime minister and you've won the prize . you've said the first the prize. you've said the first labour pm was ramsay macdonald from scotland. his campaign was funded by alexander of funded by alexander grant of mcvitie family. who guess what was husband ? great uncle . uh, was my husband? great uncle. uh, there you go. that's an john. uh, you've sent that in. and i appreciate it. your thoughts?

look, that's all we've got time for. thank you very much, alan, for. thank you very much, alan, for your company. peter. thank you for yours, too. uh, do not go anywhere because it's the farage show, and it's hosted by camilla tominey. have a nice night. i'll see you tomorrow night. i'll see you tomorrow night. a brighter outlook with boxt solar , sponsors of weather boxt solar, sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> evening storm jostled . will >> evening storm jostled. will be arriving at this time tomorrow. on tuesday evening . tomorrow. on tuesday evening. not as intense as storm isha , not as intense as storm isha, but nevertheless could cause some further disruption brewing out in the atlantic at the moment . there is the next storm moment. there is the next storm system. storm isha continues to clear away. still plenty of isobars on the chart. it is still pretty gusty out there this evening. plenty of showers to packing in across scotland in particular, showers will particular, but the showers will tend to ease off in most places, generally becoming clear overnight will overnight and the winds will ease further until the ease down further until the cloud thickens and we start to see weather coming into see wet weather coming into northern by with northern ireland by dawn, with the clearer skies and as the

winds ease, we could see some pockets of frost across scotland. but for most of us, we'll start tuesday 4 or we'll start tuesday at 4 or 5 degrees in east will degrees renee in the east will start dry and bright, but the rain will spread into the west and become pretty and then become pretty much across by lunchtime. across all parts by lunchtime. the rain, though, over the heaviest rain, though, over western could western hills the rain could cause disruption because cause some disruption because after where we had after storm isha, where we had quite of rain falling, quite a bit of rain falling, extra rainfall may cause some flooding issues and then the winds continue to strengthen. actually day actually quite a mild day tomorrow, feeling all tomorrow, but not feeling all that mild with the wind and the rain and the winds continue to strengthen tuesday strengthen during tuesday evening, the evening, particularly across the north. winds won't be as north. the winds won't be as strong as storm isha, but strong as with storm isha, but because storm isha is only just cleared, it could of course some structural issues. so we do have warnings in place abroad. yellow warnings in place abroad. yellow warning gusts of 55 to 65 miles an hour and the amber warning across northern and western scotland, where gusts could touch miles hour, looks touch 80 miles an hour, looks like things are heating up. >> boxed spoilers sponsors of weather on .

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