here, and how on earth will we achieve it.7 and get this? everyone achieve it? and get this? everyone lower than expected government borrowing has given jeremy hunt a little bit of wiggle room ahead of the budget in march. so what should he do with this extra money? should he spend more on public services, cut our taxes or neither? you tell me and younger office staff are apparently not fully productive at work one day a week because they suffer with

mental health. uh, i've got to say. right. apparently we're on the edge of becoming a burnt out nation. but what is going on? why are older workers seemingly more productive than the young? and is mental health essentially the new bad back ? and there's a the new bad back? and there's a blur for rishi sunak now as part of the rwanda plan, suffered its first defeat in the house of lords, many people are saying that the second chamber should be abolished . others saying be abolished. others are saying it basically should be changed so within it are so that those within it are elected. says you . well, elected. what says you. well, i've got a member of the house of lords on my panel tonight , of lords on my panel tonight, none other than baroness jacqueline foster. so i'm fascinated about a hair topic, a hair thoughts on that final topic. but before we get stuck into all, cross live into it all, let's cross live for our 6:00 news headlines. michelle >> thank you. good evening. well, the top story tonight from

the gp newsroom is that the prime minister says the uk will not hesitate to take further action in yemen following a spate of attacks on commercial shipping in the red sea. rishi sunak described the attacks by iranian backed militants as illegal and unacceptable . it illegal and unacceptable. it comes after last night's joint strike with the united states, which took place after a meeting with president biden . the labour with president biden. the labour leader, sir keir starmer , backed leader, sir keir starmer, backed the government's targeted action and the prime minister signalled new sanctions to be announced in the coming days , warning further the coming days, warning further attacks would be met with a response. we are not seeking a confrontation . confrontation. >> we urge the houthis and those who enable them to stop these illegal and unacceptable attacks . but if necessary, the united kingdom will not hesitate to respond again in self—defence . respond again in self—defence. we cannot stand by and allow these attacks to go unchallenged in action is also a choice . in action is also a choice. >> rishi sunak well,

in action is also a choice. >> rishi sunak well , the met >> rishi sunak well, the met office has warned today of strong winds and heavy rain across the whole of the uk as yet another storm sweeps in. this time. she's called storm jocelyn and she's battering britain right now with amber and yellow alerts issued for much of the country, particularly the north. yellow warnings for rain andice north. yellow warnings for rain and ice are also in place across northern and eastern parts of scotland. no trains will be running in scotland from 7:00 tonight, with tomorrow's rush hour services also out of action. gb news reporterjack carson is on the welsh coast, but our apologies . that clip but our apologies. that clip isn't there. i'll play that to you in our next hour of news. now, the measles outbreak has been described as deeply troubling , with labour demanding troubling, with labour demanding more action to kerb the spread of the disease . shadow health of the disease. shadow health minister karen smith says red tape needs to be cut to give health visitors more powers to vaccinate children. that's as cases grow in the west midlands and parts of london. the world health organisation has also issued fresh warnings following

a surge across europe. doctor tamara keith told gb news earlier that getting the jab is the only way to protect children. >> measles is not just a fever with a rash, it can cause all sorts of complications . it can sorts of complications. it can give your child seizures , give your child seizures, pneumonia, they can end up in hospital and in the very worst cases, it can actually prove fatal. and i'm not saying that to scare people, but with a simple vaccination given to your child, you can protect them against measles. child, you can protect them against measles . and so that against measles. and so that really is the best thing you can do. >> now, the four people who are found dead at a house in norfolk have been identified. two adults have been identified. two adults have been identified. two adults have been named as 45 year old bartlomiej . kaczynski and 36 bartlomiej. kaczynski and 36 year old can.t sukh padda . year old can.t sukh padda. meanwhile, two young girls were also named as yasmin and natasha kuchinskaya . their bodies were kuchinskaya. their bodies were discovered at an address in norwich last week at a nottingham university student showed incredible bravery, with a court being told she tried to

protect her friend by fighting off a killer . protect her friend by fighting off a killer. in june last year, 32 year old waldo callachan killed barnaby weber and grace o'malley kumar. he then later killed school caretaker ian coates. the killer had his not guilty plea accepted on the grounds of diminished responsibility . he also admitted responsibility. he also admitted trying to murder three pedestrians who were hit by a van on the morning of the attacks in the united states. donald trump says he expects his last remaining republican opponent to drop out after today's new hampshire primary. polls are pointing to a likely victory for the former president , but his opponent, nikki haley , , but his opponent, nikki haley, has gained support and her exit isn't guaranteed . anthony isn't guaranteed. anthony scaramucci was trump's director of communications during his time in the white house. he told gb news that trump lacks the temperament to be an effective leader. there are 20 cabinet members that work for mr trump close early and directly alongside of myself.

>> now, granted, i was there for ii >> now, granted, i was there for 11 days, but i did work for him for close to a year on the campaign and we all saw the same thing and we were all speaking out against his temperament to be the president of the united states. so so things do change. uh, facts change and smart people change their opinion . people change their opinion. when the facts change. >> well, news here at home possible water contamination is being investigated at a housing estate near cambridge. residents at the marley development are facing their fifth day without drinkable tap water. the independent water network says it is safe for washing and showering. however, the cause of the contamination hasn't yet been confirmed. but the uk's health security agency says it is investigating no reports of any illnesses so far, but people are being urged to use bottled water until further notice . if water until further notice. if in that area . and lastly, a new in that area. and lastly, a new weight loss pill designed to make people feel fuller is now

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won't be backwards and get in touch and telling me if touch with me and telling me if you think that i am wrong, but look, cut, straight look, let's cut, uh, straight into news story of the into the big news story of the day. uk and the us have day. the uk and the us have launched yet another strike against rebels in yemen against houthi rebels in yemen in, look, let's just remind in, uh. look, let's just remind ourselves, find this ourselves, because i find this quite interesting key clip quite an interesting key clip you've been hearing. there you've just been hearing. there in the headlines that rishi in the news headlines that rishi sunak basically saying, uh, sunak is basically saying, uh, you know, it's all about self—defence. and will self—defence. and we will continue, . uh keir continue, so to speak. uh keir starmer says , you starmer essentially says, you know, i backed these strikes, too, one most too, but i found this one most fascinating from our foreign secretary. lord david secretary. uh, lord david cameron. let's listen . cameron. let's listen. >> since we last took action ten days ago, there have been over 12 attacks on shipping by the houthis in the red sea. these attacks are illegal. they are unacceptable . and what we've unacceptable. and what we've done, again, is send the clearest possible message that we will continue to degrade their ability to carry out these attacks whilst sending the clearest possible message, uh , clearest possible message, uh, hey, you. >> you mentioned it a couple of times there. the clearest possible message. well, that

message is not that clear. or if it is, it's not being received. um, and kind of shared by the houthi rebels because as he says there, there's been about 12 strikes. i think the us have done about eight strikes. so clearly they're not going to packit clearly they're not going to pack it in. so i mean, are these strikes worth it? >> well, there was an even better of i think better clip, sort of i think last week where joe biden was asked this working? and he asked is this working? and he said, well, is it stopping the houthis their rockets? houthis firing their rockets? no. doing it? yes. no. will we keep doing it? yes. right. so there's this right. and so there's this admission they're admission that they they're completely incapable of doing anything now, me, this completely incapable of doing ara:hing now, me, this completely incapable of doing ara clear now, me, this completely incapable of doing ara clear example ', me, this completely incapable of doing ara clear example of me, this completely incapable of doing ara clear example of whye, this completely incapable of doing ara clear example of why itthis completely incapable of doing ara clear example of why it is s is a clear example of why it is not britain's strategic not in britain's strategic interest to support israel, to not in britain's strategic int�*whateveerport israel, to not in britain's strategic int�*whatever itport israel, to not in britain's strategic int�*whatever it wantsrael, to not in britain's strategic int�*whatever it wants in l, to not in britain's strategic int�*whatever it wants in gaza. do whatever it wants in gaza. right. we have our politicians who keep standing and saying who keep standing up and saying we two state we believe in a two state solution, hang on, you're solution, but hang on, you're thinking because basically solution, but hang on, you're thinhouthis because basically solution, but hang on, you're thin houthis are ecause basically solution, but hang on, you're thin houthis are saying3asically solution, but hang on, you're thin houthis are saying thatally solution, but hang on, you're thin houthis are saying that the the houthis are saying that the houthis we're doing houthis are saying we're doing what in red sea what we're doing in the red sea because we to stand by because we want to stand by palestine we think there's a palestine and we think there's a genocide being committed. >> to that is >> but the push back to that is that basically are that basically people are saying, oh, that basically people are saying, on, that's saying, well, hang on, that's not houthis because not true. houthis because basically you're targeting pretty ship that goes

basically you're targeting pretty just ship that goes basically you're targeting pretty just those hip that goes basically you're targeting pretty just those israeli,: goes basically you're targeting pretty just those israeli, uh,as on, not just those israeli, uh, origin or destined. well, they're the chinese they're letting the chinese ships letting the russian >> they're letting the russian ships through. i think they've actually sort of actually only started sort of systematically targeting the american and the british ones since the americans and the british the british started bombing the houthis. this argument british started bombing the houtit's this argument british started bombing the houtit's got this argument british started bombing the houtit's got nothing 1is argument british started bombing the houtit's got nothing to argument british started bombing the houtit's got nothing to d0|ument british started bombing the houtit's got nothing to do with nt that it's got nothing to do with gaza. saw both keir starmer gaza. i saw both keir starmer and rishi sunak stand up in parliament sort of make that parliament and sort of make that claim. that's just claim. now, to me, that's just completely this wasn't completely juvenile. this wasn't happening was happening before israel was bombarding in that bombarding gaza and in that brief had last brief ceasefire we had last november, if you remember, dunng during that period in time, these happen these attacks didn't happen ehhen these attacks didn't happen either. very clear that either. so it's very clear that this is directly related to what's going on gaza. the what's going on in gaza. the houthis actually, you know, houthis are actually, you know, have of the have had sort of the palestinians central to palestinians are central to their ideology for a long time doesn't mean have agree doesn't mean you have to agree with they're i with what they're doing. but i think to disconnect this from with what they're doing. but i thinwar disconnect this from with what they're doing. but i thinwar in sconnect this from with what they're doing. but i thinwar in gaza, act this from with what they're doing. but i thinwar in gaza, whatis from with what they're doing. but i thinwar in gaza, what should the the war in gaza, what should the uk bacon. well, uk be doing? bacon. well, i mean, would be pressuring mean, i would be pressuring israel to bring about a ceasefire right? don't know israel to bring about a ceaswea right? don't know israel to bring about a ceaswe are|ht? don't know israel to bring about a ceaswe are backing n't know israel to bring about a ceaswe are backing to know israel to bring about a ceaswe are backing to thew israel to bring about a ceaswe are backing to the hilt why we are backing to the hilt a government which is proactively saying for this saying our vision for this region is completely different to yours. region is completely different to yuh,;. region is completely different to yuh, jacqueline, are the >> uh, jacqueline, are the uk doing thing with these strikes? >> absolutely. i mean, you

you're here yet you're talking here about yet another terrorist group. there proxies and in actual proxies of iran and in actual fact, they've been causing problems for the last ten years. um so of course, things have escalated since october the 7th, and we, we know they'd kicked off on the 13th, but what they are basically caused is a blockade for a huge amount of shipping through to the red sea. and that's not allowed under international maritime laws . international maritime laws. there's no justification for it . there's no justification for it. they have openly said that they are supporting their brothers , are supporting their brothers, their palestinian cause , and their palestinian cause, and people will support all sorts of causes. but there's still no justification for that. they're supported by north korea, they're supported by syria. iran is pulling the strings because iran pulls the strings, not just on obviously, the houthis. uh, obviously it was isis. it's hamas , it's hezbollah. so this hamas, it's hezbollah. so this is a collective push , really. is a collective push, really. and, um , obviously, and using it and, um, obviously, and using it against israel, um, we can go

into the whole israeli debate if you like. i have no intentions of backing off my position, which was that israel was attacked on october the 7th. there were hundreds of people , there were hundreds of people, men, women and children who were slaughtered . and there were and slaughtered. and there were and these were war crimes. at the very beginning, we still have hostages in place and so of course we can widen that debate too. but if we want to bring this back, um, this is just not acceptable. and um, america and the uk , it's mainly our shipping the uk, it's mainly our shipping and some other countries in europe, a lot of shipping is getting through. you're quite right . we also know that there's right. we also know that there's a russia involvement here. i mean, if we look at what happenedin mean, if we look at what happened in october, my view is and people can agree or disagree with me, this was also i think hamas also attacked because it was also a good diversion , was also a good diversion, because wasn't doing very because russia wasn't doing very well ukraine. and russia well in ukraine. and russia obviously a supporter iran obviously is a supporter of iran . and this the tentacle of all of this go much wider. so this

is a big geopolitical issue . and is a big geopolitical issue. and so i think we have to show our strength . otherwise, you know, strength. otherwise, you know, your energy costs everything that we're bringing through the red sea. this is not acceptable . red sea. this is not acceptable. >> so i want to bring michael back in in a sec. but before i do, before we get into the geopolitical side of things, um, as you've just been hearing, though, the strikes, warning though, the strikes, the warning shots, multiple strikes by shots, the multiple strikes by the they're now second the us, they're now second strike the uk, it's not strike by the uk, it's not really making much difference. not effective. not being that effective. >> see. it's obe, >> well, we'll see. it's obe, but but what but we are seeing no but what you've you've got to you've got you've got to remember is this is this is against this is against international maritime law. you have here who are pirates have people here who are pirates . are laws about . basically there are laws about david cameron. >> mean, just literally >> i mean, i've just literally played him saying that since we did last strike. yeah, did the last strike. yeah, there's another of there's been another 12 of course, but it doesn't mean because just strike once because you just strike once that everything stops , they're that everything stops, they're clearly pushing the boundaries. that everything stops, they're cle.but pushing the boundaries. that everything stops, they're cle.but that ing the boundaries. that everything stops, they're cle.but that doesn't boundaries. that everything stops, they're cle.but that doesn't mean aries. that everything stops, they're cle.but that doesn't mean toes. that everything stops, they're cle.but that doesn't mean to say >> but that doesn't mean to say that stop what do we have to that we stop what do we have to we have to look and see how we they've made some strikes then to what reactions are.

to see what the reactions are. we know that there are discussions debates on discussions and debates going on all in the all over the time in the background with qatar and various other various other organisations. um, so this is a complex issue. it's not straightforward, but should we should stop because the first should we stop because the first couple of retaliatory attacks have not stopped it properly yet? no, the answer is no . they yet? no, the answer is no. they are breaking international maritime law. these are pirates and these are terrorists. and also the lives of the crew on these ships is in danger. and you must not forget that. >> no, i certainly do not forget it. i just want you personally. i just wonder whether or not actually attacking actually everyone attacking everyone making the everyone else is just making the situation us situation worse because the us have eight strikes. like have done eight strikes. like i just said, is our second just said, this is our second one. they're not stopping. uh, you me, do you think this you tell me, do you think this is a fruitful strategy? just keep going and keep going and they'll keep and then they'll keep going and then what? me . uh, michael, what? you tell me. uh, michael, do you want to come back in? >> well, i suppose just on the on the geopolitical point. yes. there are lots of geopolitical

interests here. i think you somewhat simplified it because iran weren't backing isis. iran are fighting isis. the are actually fighting isis. the saudis isis. so saudis were backing isis. so you've lots of different you've got lots of different interests and fighting interests and groups fighting each it's not as each other. and so it's not as simple there's good guys simple as there's the good guys and the bad guys. i think it's probably useful for your audience to sort understand audience to sort of understand why failing, why these attacks are failing, because people think, you know, the a militant the houthis, they're a militant group poorest the houthis, they're a militant group in poorest the houthis, they're a militant group in the poorest the houthis, they're a militant group in the world. )rest the houthis, they're a militant group in the world. it�*st the houthis, they're a militant group in the world. it is countries in the world. it is the poorest country in the middle east. how can the most advanced world advanced militaries in the world not quickly? and the not defeat them quickly? and the issue that now, because issue is that now, because drones missiles become drones and missiles have become so buy a drone so cheap, anyone can buy a drone and you don't military and you don't need a military base really launch it. the base to really launch it. the houthis launch these drones houthis can launch these drones from anywhere. yemen quite from anywhere. yemen is quite a big mountainous big place, lots of mountainous regions. idea that you regions. so the idea that you can just knock this out from the sky, doesn't seem that sky, i to me doesn't seem that plausible. and you're right that this hasn't been going on for very you know, this very long. so, you know, this has been few days. it has only been a few days. it could that suddenly it starts could be that suddenly it starts working. have recent working. but we do have recent evidence because the saudis evidence here because the saudis have for have been bombing yemen for eight they've actually eight years. they've actually created biggest created one of the biggest humanitarian catastrophe in the world happened

world before what's happened in gaza. what's happening gaza. so it's what's happening in but what was in gaza is worse. but what was happening yemen was already happening in yemen was already awful. and that only strengthened the houthis because it's bomb it's very difficult to bomb these groups out of existence if they support. they have local support. >> that. but >> nobody is saying that. but you've drones from you've got reaper drones from the that houthis have the houthis that houthis have been also against israel. been using also against israel. they were so you get they were in eilat. so you get you're going to november. you're going back to november. so the red so they're not just in the red sea. also attacking sea. they're also attacking israel as well. so you know, this is why i'm this this is why i'm saying this is quite is ranging and quite this is wide ranging and there you're right. there there isn't. you're right. there isn't one simple solution. somebody a or stops b somebody stops a or stops b because more complex because it's far more complex than you've still got than this. but you've still got to get to bottom of this. to get to the bottom of this. and this isn't just about uk and us this is about how us shipping. this is about how we are moving our trade with free movement under international law. people keep talking to me about international law. well, there's clear international laws of the sea and they say that nobody is allowed to stop vessels going from a to b, and what they are doing is completely against international law. they are being encouraged by by iran and its other proxies , and it's not

its other proxies, and it's not acceptable. well never mind in international law for a second. >> where's china in all of this. because if you park international law and maritime law and whatever, if you just look at cold, hard economics, you know, a lot of this stuff. um, we buy pretty much everything. i mean, exaggerating slightly , but you get my point. slightly, but you get my point. from places like china. so, you know, ultimately some of these places are going to find their bottom line hits. if actually some of their shipments just simply cannot get to where it is that they need to be getting. so why they piping up? why aren't they piping up? >> well, i china are very >> well, i think china are very canny know china its canny and we know china has its fingers in a lot of pies. um, and they very quietly , and they support very quietly, um, you know, various things that on. um, we know that that go on. um, we know that russia does as well. um the people that will pay at the end of this. i mean, if you talk about another week or fortnight, it would if you to go it would take if you had to go the round. south africa the long way round. south africa , the people would pay at , um, the people would pay at the day is the the end of the day is the consumer. um, so i don't think it necessarily affects that much the, manufacturer, the, uh, the, the manufacturer, the, uh, it will depend all the costs.

it will depend on all the costs. they're all passed on the they're all passed on to the consumer. end of the day. consumer. at the end of the day. and the energy and some and it's the energy and some important stuff that we do important stuff that we do import the import actually, it will be the british public. >> graham says. this is very simple, michelle. the strikes upon houthis absolutely, simple, michelle. the strikes uponjustifiedthis absolutely, simple, michelle. the strikes uponjustified ,|is absolutely, simple, michelle. the strikes uponjustified , died. absolutely, simple, michelle. the strikes uponjustified , died. um,)lutely, simple, michelle. the strikes uponjustified , died. um, he :ely, fully justified, died. um, he says and he says. and can you also point out to michael that israel has got every right to defend themselves? he says , um, defend themselves? he says, um, but not necessarily to kill 25,000 people, bomb hospitals and starve a territory. >> we'll have a debate about that one day. um well, they go, graham, what do you make to what michael just had to say? >> uh, ron says michelle, what are you suggesting? that we just let these rebels world let these rebels halt world navigation? uh, what are you going them the going to do next? give them the consent world? consent to rule the world? absolutely i don't absolutely not. i don't think anyone be to anyone should be able to randomly just ships. i'm randomly just accost ships. i'm just the strategy just wondering, is the strategy that have the right that we currently have the right one? uh, joe says michelle, i do agree but agree with the strikes, but i can't wondering how come can't help wondering how come biden us at the front of biden puts us at the front of the queue? uh, when it comes to backing him with military action? at action? but apparently at the back queue when it comes

back of the queue when it comes to doing trade deals with us, either we've got a special relationship uh, relationship or we don't. uh, what do make to all of that? what do you make to all of that? um, get in touch and let me know. gb at gb news. com know. gb views at gb news. com is get hold of me is how you get hold of me tonight . i is how you get hold of me tonight. i want to talk to you after the break about money. apparently, little apparently, we've got a little bit around. what bit extra sloshing around. what should with should the chancellor do with it, should he give all of it, then? should he give all of us tax cuts? should he invest in pubuc us tax cuts? should he invest in public spending? or should he just there and think, you just sit there and think, you know let's do anything know what, let's not do anything with extra money. in with that extra money. get in touch. me

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our westminster studio. that's pmqs live here on gb news. britain's election . channel. britain's election. channel. >> beyond politics. >> beyond politics. >> hi there, i'm michelle dewberry. this is dewbs& co on gb news till seven. the former conservative mep and life peer in the house of lords, baroness jacqueline foster, alongside me and contributing editor at and the contributing editor at novara media, michael walker. we'll on to the house we'll be coming on to the house of lords the end of the of lords before the end of the programme. fascinated to programme. i'll be fascinated to hear jacqueline's thoughts on this saying this one. some people saying it's the whole chamber it's time for the whole chamber to be abolished, others saying people into people need to be elected into it. where are you on that one? i just want to pick back up on that conversation that we just had before the break, because it did rumble that break did rumble on during that break and was all about, um, you and it was all about, um, you know, essence. the houthi know, the essence. the houthi rebels that rebels are basically saying that they're shipping, they're doing this the shipping, disrupting red disrupting shipping in the red sea of what's going on sea because of what's going on in palestine. many people dispute jacqueline dispute that. um, but jacqueline , on what's going , your thoughts on what's going on with the israel—gaza conflict 7 right.

>> well, i mean , obviously >> well, i mean, obviously you're in a war situation. uh, the israeli is, and there are 2 million. there are 2 million arabs living israel, 1.6 million palestinians live in israel . palestinians live in israel. most will probably be muslim . most will probably be muslim. um, there is no issue. they are they live. they are israeli citizens, and they have the same quality of life as everybody else. so it's a myth to think that anybody who is palestinian is living somewhere else. they are not. we have a terrorist organisation and they attacked israel . they went into israel. they went into a sovereign state. they slaughtered, they slaughtered. was talking about hamas, of course they slaughtered. what 12 or 1300 younger people who were at a music festival. we had the ariana grande concert in manchester and a suicide bomber blew up those children. people need to start thinking of the consequences of this. this has been going on for a long time and it spread its tentacles. terrorism. it's like a cancer.

so they went in there. there were civilian men with them as well. so there were hundreds of them. they then took hostages and it wasn't just, let's take all the men . they took men, all the men. they took men, women and children . they raped women and children. they raped and they murdered and they slaughtered . and i have seen the slaughtered. and i have seen the uncut footage which has been available to the un and international press for a long time , and it was absolutely time, and it was absolutely horrendous. nobody wants to see palestinian civilians injured or killed. i don't , but the killed. i don't, but the consequences of hamas actions were that naturally they are going to retaliate. they have to because you're protecting your sovereign state. and what hamas do is they hide behind the women and children, and they have always done that. they've always done that. so even when the when israel said to them, you need to move your civilians south, because we're going to be targeting with the tunnels, they spend billions on tunnels. targeting with the tunnels, they spend billions on tunnels . money spend billions on tunnels. money should gone to the people should have gone to the people and they were shooting their own

civilians in the back because they didn't want they they wanted to the south. wanted to move to the south. we've the footage of it and we've got the footage of it and that's the reality. so you're absolutely . if release the absolutely. if they release the hostages , then i believe there hostages, then i believe there could be a ceasefire and we can get some solution . hamas needs get some solution. hamas needs to because that is to surrender because that is what they are. they are a terrorist group and there was no justification for what they did. >> but you don't even think they are a terrorist group, michael. >> i there's two >> well, i think there's two issues what you've said issues with what you've said there. think the issue there. so i think the big issue is your sort of framing what israel doing as a israel are doing as a counter—terrorism operation. now, you listen to now, if you listen to what israel actually saying, what israel are actually saying, what they is they they are saying is they want to clear the out of gaza. do clear the people out of gaza. do you think i don't listen to what israel you think i don't listen to what israwell, if you were, >> well, i think if you were, you would have a somewhat different because, different analysis because, no, i different i'm i don't have a different i'm heanng i don't have a different i'm hearing clearly. hearing you clearly. >> you've for a long >> you've spoken for a long time, so i'll speak. but you don't misrepresent. don't i won't i won't mention you at all in my answer. i'll say some people, say your point. people, you say your point. i think many people, um, misrepresent what is going on because israel

because they suggest what israel is doing is a counter—terror operation. the israeli operation. what the israeli politicians operation. what the israeli politici is s operation. what the israeli politici is what they want to do saying is what they want to do is make gaza unliveable. so all of leave. now, of the people leave. now, netanyahu very explicit netanyahu is being very explicit about this at the moment. he's saying, in saying, i do not believe in a two solution. i want two state solution. i want israel control the whole israel to control the whole territory. say that territory. now, i would say that is reality that led to is the reality that led to october the 7th, that doesn't justify it whatsoever. but that's some context that that's clearly some context that led i also think that led to it. i also think that many of the things i'll say some people discussed, which is people have discussed, which is to keep going back to to sort of keep going back to the events of the 7th the events of october the 7th and hostages. what they and the hostages. what they are essentially endorsing is essentially sort of endorsing is collective punishment, because essentially sort of endorsing is colle(arei punishment, because essentially sort of endorsing is colle(are women,nent, because essentially sort of endorsing is colle(are women, children,ause there are women, children, entire families, entire generations day generations being killed day after after after day. after day after day after day. and kill civilians as and you can't kill civilians as leverage try get a group leverage to try and get a group to release hostages. >> a point. the >> you missed a point. the abrahamic accords, which saudi was into and other was buying into and other countries been buying into, countries have been buying into, and have and the relationships that have built up uae and others built up like uae and others with israel, they've been working on a long time. the working for on a long time. the abrahamic courts looks at a two state solution. >> no, it doesn't. it doesn't. that's the palestinians that's why the palestinians opposed why opposed it. and that's why netanyahu goes on television every says, will block

every day and says, i will block palestinian talk palestinian state solution talk over other. over each other. >> the, the leaders of the palestinian shapps, as palestinian group shapps, as such, never wanted one from the first one. when even in 1948, never agreed to it. and they didn't even from the oslo accords that followed . so we accords that followed. so we know what their position is . know what their position is. it's third parties. it's other countries that have tried to come up and find a solution. and the israeli government has not been opposed to looking at a two state solution. >> there is an organisation ball game now. the palestinian authorities are the leaders of the say they want a the palestinians say they want a two solution. netanyahu the palestinians say they want a two goinglution. netanyahu the palestinians say they want a two going on on. netanyahu the palestinians say they want a two going on televisioniahu keeps going on television and saying opposed saying he's absolutely opposed to solution. so i to a two state solution. so i think believe what people say. >> i think i think you need to just not take this. you need to look at the whole way it's evolved the last 30 or 40 years. >> there you go. well you can look at evolution during the break i get to break because before i get to that break, i do want to talk to you about matters here in this country as all know country because as we all know by don't we've got the by now, don't we? we've got the next budget coming up march. next budget coming up in march. well, short, borrow well, long story short, borrow in borrowing in

in government borrowing in december near the december was nowhere near the level was expected to level that it was expected to be. actually, it was be. in fact, actually, it was the december borrowing the lowest december borrowing for years. got for about four years. it's got a lot of people excited. uh, what they're saying is the interest on the debt, was lower on the debt, etc. was lower than expected because because of things inflation things like a lower inflation rate interest rates, rate and lower interest rates, what do? i mean, i'm what should we do? i mean, i'm a little personally, i'm bit little bit personally, i'm a bit reluctant to even say this is extra cash, not having to borrow as as you thought you as much money as you thought you might you know, i'm quite might to me. you know, i'm quite frugal. quite tight, so frugal. i'm quite tight, so i wouldn't necessarily going wouldn't necessarily be going all i'll spend all in. therefore i'll spend that whatever. but, uh, that money on whatever. but, uh, some are suggesting, some people are suggesting, well, doing. well, what we should be doing. this extra cash. we should be this is extra cash. we should be spending cuts. other spending it on tax cuts. other people saying , actually, we people are saying, actually, we should spending investing should be spending it, investing it public services. it more in public services. where jacqueline? where are you, jacqueline? >> i don't believe where are you, jacqueline? >> more idon't believe where are you, jacqueline? >> more money n't believe where are you, jacqueline? >> more money needsieve where are you, jacqueline? >> more money needs to e where are you, jacqueline? >> more money needs to be that more money needs to be invested services. invested in public services. i needi invested in public services. i need i do actually think that the whole ship in terms of all pubuc the whole ship in terms of all public services, i think it needs be tightened we needs to be tightened up. we know phenomenal waste know there's phenomenal waste and that goes from local authorities, goes government authorities, goes to government departments. at the we departments. look at the nhs, we look at you know, uh, education.

there's various ways i think that they could be run more efficiently. but what we have seen is the burden of tax. um, so high. and for me, as a conservative, i've despite the fact we've obviously had issues with the ukraine and fuel costs and all of the things that we have had covid, which obviously cost an absolute fortune . um, cost an absolute fortune. um, and then we had to borrow money for all of that. but, you see, we're not going get out of for all of that. but, you see, we'of not going get out of for all of that. but, you see, we'of thisgoing get out of for all of that. but, you see, we'of this unless get out of for all of that. but, you see, we'of this unless we at out of for all of that. but, you see, we'of this unless we start of all of this unless we start really looking, you know, really looking ahead at and if there is some cash around , i mean, if some cash around, i mean, if you've come into the 40% tax rate, tax which isn't rate, top tax rate, which isn't huge salary , but people will, huge salary, but people will, you know, work hard and end up in a 40, they're paying about 50, 55% is taken out of their pocket and it's not acceptable. you're not talking about massively high earners. the top 3% or anything. um and we have got to we have got to really encourage growth . we've got to encourage growth. we've got to encourage growth. we've got to encourage entrepreneurs like you were self—made business were small self—made business people. we need to be looking at incentives to make sure they're doing that well at local level.

they need to be looking at business rates and making sure that, you maybe that, you know, you can maybe exempt businesses exempt certain businesses that are up . and i think we are starting up. and i think we need to start reversing this and really encouraging business and growth economy . and that growth in the economy. and that will then, in fact, if we're lowering lowering taxes lowering taxes, lowering taxes is looking at corporation tax and other things, and then you're going to get other investment that comes the investment that comes into the country then hopefully country, and then that hopefully starts generating what we need to see. >> yeah, just over 50 grand is what you need to wear now to be pulled into that 40% tax bracket bracket. are you one of those people michael your people or not? michael your thoughts on it all. >> think there's a couple >> so i think there's a couple of issues here. i mean, i would personally prefer to see it spent services. spent on public services. i think heard the mantra think we've heard the mantra before you public before that if you cut public services, become more services, they will become more efficient. think what we've efficient. i think what we've learned since 2010 is that's not really what happened. what we ended was, backlogs ended up with was, was backlogs in and what we in the home office and what we ended with was, an nhs ended up with was, was an nhs that was really working at capacity pandemic came. capacity before a pandemic came. obviously a lot

obviously we've now put a lot more money nhs, i more money into the nhs, but i think if starve something think if you starve something for then flood with for years and then flood it with cash, is a message or a, cash, that is a message or a, you know, a recipe for inefficiency, let's say, um, i think though, it's important to talk about what public think talk about what the public think here public here because the public overwhelmingly prefer an increase in spending to a reduction tax. and we have to reduction in tax. and we have to think what that tell think about what does that tell us our politics in this us about our politics in this society. be the society. why would it be the case the public want more case that the public want more money spent on public services? but parties, but both political parties, labour conservatives labour and the conservatives are prioritising now, to me prioritising tax cuts now, to me that they speaking that suggests they are speaking to they are to newspaper owners. they are speaking business people to newspaper owners. they are speafund business people to newspaper owners. they are speafund them business people to newspaper owners. they are speafund them and;iness people to newspaper owners. they are speafund them and not;s people to newspaper owners. they are speafund them and not to )eople to newspaper owners. they are speafund them and not to theile who fund them and not to the actual voters. i think a similar story can be told about foreign policy. the majority of policy. in fact, the majority of the a ceasefire in the public want a ceasefire in gaza. both labour the tories gaza. both labour and the tories are saying we will do whatever the americans want. that's not a popular it does popular policy, but what it does do reassure some very do is reassure some very powerful in country powerful people in this country that neither the tories nor labour are a threat. >> i think one of the polls that you're referring to is the tory peen you're referring to is the tory peer, lord ashcroft. he's saying basically a poll there says basically a poll there that says 54% of voters apparently want this to be spent on public

this money to be spent on public services, not tax cuts. i've got a poll running on my twitter. it's on the gb news twitter. and yes, i know it's called x. i'm not stupid. i just it doesn't click with me. the x twitter, i call it anyway, i've got a call it that. anyway, i've got a poll running on currently poll running on there currently 68% say that you would 68% of you say that you would prefer tax so you're the prefer tax cuts, so you're the opposite side of the coin. you know, for the record, just to be clear, i don't want to spend any more money on public services when wastage the way when wastage is running the way that it when wastage is running the way thatitis when wastage is running the way that it is in our public services. it's absolutely everywhere. , everywhere. so personally, before taking more before you start taking more money me, rishi sunak or money from me, rishi sunak or jeremy hunt, if you're listening, start fixing some of the holes in the buckets rather than just chucking more cash into the said bucket. what do you think to ed says it's you think to that? ed says it's a no brainer. use this money to build up our armed forces , our build up our armed forces, our national security, not our social security . um, alan says i social security. um, alan says i would rather have tax cuts because i think the public are better at spending the money than anybody. quite frankly, he

says within government , alex says within government, alex says, can we just be sensible, use that extra money to pay down the debt and reduce the debt interest? um helen says there's no way the public services should get any more money at all until they've got rid of some of their top, uh, highly paid management . um, john says we management. um, john says we desperately need money for pubuc desperately need money for public services, potholes , etc, public services, potholes, etc, but the council don't manage it wisely . barry says. what about wisely. barry says. what about using this extra money to clean up our water supply? well, barry, what i'd say is what about not giving some of these water execs the astronomical bonuses that they keep receiving when they're not really delivering in one of their key aspect, when it comes to how we get rid of sewage. what about that? you could take that money and perhaps redirect it. let me know your thoughts on that. after the break. i want to talk to you about mental health. apparently, people the to you about mental health. appiof ntly, people the to you about mental health. appiof 307, people the to you about mental health. appiof 30 have people the to you about mental health. appiof 30 have been.e the to you about mental health. appiof 30 have been told the to you about mental health. appiof 30 have been told that he age of 30 have been told that they're slacking because one day a week, apparently, they're under pressure when it comes to

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>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> hi there. i'm michelle dewberry this is dewbs& co on jubes on gp news. i was almost about to call the whole channel after myself. i think that's wishful thinking. anyway, baroness jacqueline foster, still alongside me, as is michael walker, one of my viewers. i just said, michelle, what about all the tax situation in scotland? it's even worse over there. you're absolutely right. there's quite a few additional bands actually in

scotland as well. scotland i think as well. they've introduced a higher they've just introduced a higher band very recently well. band very recently as well. you have it affects have my sympathy if it affects you look, there's lots you anyway. look, there's lots i want to talk about tonight. still house of lords. but before i do, let me ask you about mental health. right report mental health. right a report based survey of 4000 staff based on a survey of 4000 staff and employers has found and their employers has found that gen z, sir, i.e. people under the age of 30, this is their words, not mine. slack off work at least one day a week due to mental health problems. get this the cost to the british economy is 138 billion with a b pounds. economy is 138 billion with a b pounds . what do you make to pounds. what do you make to this? jacqueline >> well, i'm not a happy person because i was in a position once was some years ago when i had to section somebody under the mental health act. right and there is a vast difference between when you're looking at mental health issues as, um, of people who are hospitalised and have hugely serious complications . we see youngsters complications. we see youngsters

, obviously with anorexia and various illnesses like that . and various illnesses like that. and i think what i find most frustrating is people seem to think sometimes in the most flippant way, that, oh, you know, i'm feeling a bit depressed today, so i've got a mental health issue that is not a mental health issue. we all get frustrated. we will all suffer grief in our lives. we know that . and there has to be know that. and there has to be far more clarity about what what this really is. because those who really need life and death decisions really need treatment. and then in a position where they're down on the waiting list and down on a waiting list, waiting to see professionals . so waiting to see professionals. so i do think that this has to be looked at very seriously. and it's not just gen z. i don't think, um, i think there's been an issue now also . and it's an issue now also. and it's escalated, i think, with people working from home during, um, covid and a lot of younger people, people go , great, you've people, people go, great, you've got a big house or a nice house and the kids and the garden and

the dog, and it was really nice for a change. a lot of people really were in a little flat and then trying to work like that, and was very, very, very hard and it was very, very, very hard for them indeed. >> michael. well, i think it's clear it's important that clear that it's important that we're this survey found. >> p- t— f that people take >> so it's not that people take a day off week or they a day off work a week or they slack off work. they they slack off work. they say they find it to fulfil their find it unable to fulfil their full capacity. once a week. they only six of these days off only take six of these days off as formal sick leave. so often on show, sort discuss on this show, we sort of discuss people taking sick days. people taking more sick days. actually, this survey actually, what this survey is showing people, showing is that people, you know, use daily, they're not operating at full operating at their full capacity, as capacity, they're not as productive are assumed. productive as they are assumed. and mean, it's also a survey and i mean, it's also a survey by a insurance company. by a health insurance company. what not necessarily the what was not necessarily the most question you see, but >> the question you see, but this point, i mean, it was literally a couple of days literally just a couple of days ago, amount of people to ago, the amount of people to jacqueline's younger ago, the amount of people to jacquelthat younger ago, the amount of people to jacquelthat were younger ago, the amount of people to jacquelthat were havingjer ago, the amount of people to jacquelthat were having stress people that were having stress leave, because anxiety leave, etc. because of anxiety returning to the office, saying that suddenly felt that that they suddenly felt that they were being looked at and things like that. >> you worry that we're >> do you worry that we're medicalizing normal emotions ? medicalizing normal emotions? >> so in theory i do. i

understand the argument. i understand the argument. i understand the argument that maybe we are sort of people are being encouraged to be too sensitive , and that sort of sensitive, and that sort of people used to have a stiff upper lip, and maybe that was better for people. but then i look at my actual life, right? and the people i know and i look at the people i know and problem i have with with and the problem i have with with people close to me is people who are close to me is not that they're too eager to get therapy, it's that they're not enough. you know, not eager enough. you know, i know you know, know people who are, you know, they're ready to be they're not ready to be sectioned. right? there is there is degree here, but is a scale of degree here, but i know many people are i would know many people who are i would judge to be very depressed judge them to be very depressed and of i try and persuade and sort of i try and persuade them so i think if them to get help. so i think if we say you only go and we say you should only go and get help if you're about to be sectioned, would be a sectioned, that would be a dangerous to imply. but so dangerous thing to imply. but so i think probably the evidence suggests health suggests that mental health is getting that is getting worse. why that is, is less clear. think it might less clear. i think it might have a lot to do with social media. i think having an instagram sort instagram when you're sort of age is probably this was my age 14 is probably this was my point your development. age 14 is probably this was my poiiwhat your development. age 14 is probably this was my poiiwhat they development. age 14 is probably this was my poiiwhat they have opment. age 14 is probably this was my poiiwhat they have actually >> what they have actually established of younger

established is a lot of younger people working home. established is a lot of younger peopand working home. established is a lot of younger peopand then'orking home. established is a lot of younger peopand then the ng home. established is a lot of younger peopand then the difficultyiome. established is a lot of younger peopand then the difficulty you. um, and then the difficulty you have, then say, okay, you have, if you then say, okay, you can all carry on working from home, the whole point of mental health and a job. a job isn't home, the whole point of mental healthe nd a job. a job isn't home, the whole point of mental healthe nd aisib. a job isn't home, the whole point of mental healthe nd aisib. .it'sb isn't home, the whole point of mental healthe nd aisib. .it's about just the job, is it? it's about interaction. it's about brainstorming. it's about your career, and it's about all of these thing they these things. and one thing they all the medical all agree on the medical profession you are and profession is if you are out and about, even you're older, about, even if you're older, playing golf or whatever, it's the real the socialising that is a real benefit. even the job is benefit. even if the job is hard, there's a camaraderie very often where you'll out often where you'll go out together and you'll good often where you'll go out togethetogether,i'll good often where you'll go out togethetogether, and good often where you'll go out togethetogether, and you'lli often where you'll go out togethetogether, and you'll work chums together, and you'll work together. one the together. and that's one of the greatest benefits. job greatest benefits. a job actually of the greatest actually is one of the greatest benefits for mental and benefits for mental health and for working home. in my for working from home. in my view, most people, some view, for most people, some people run business from home, view, for most people, some peo particularlyisiness from home, view, for most people, some peo particularly youngerom home, view, for most people, some peo particularly younger ones. me, but particularly younger ones. i think a real no no . think it's just a real no no. >> i don't think we >> i think i don't think we necessarily need a sort of strong dichotomy here. mean, strong dichotomy here. i mean, i think would mistake. think it would be a mistake. i wouldn't want to work at home the whole time. but i think hybnd the whole time. but i think hybrid working works for a lot of you work of people. you know, you work three in the office, two three days in the office, two days at home. i mean, i don't see how that would damage. >> if you're not

>> well, i mean, if you're not running business, mean, if running a business, i mean, if you're business that you're running a business that may not, you know, productivity. i work airline. i'd have i work for an airline. i'd have a job working from if a hard job working from home. if you wanted go your you wanted to go on your holidays, you, holidays, so would you, you know, your surgeon who know, so would your surgeon who was, know, doing whatever was, you know, doing whatever they doing. all the pilots they were doing. all the pilots and man that collects and the bin man that collects our know, can't our bins, you know, they can't work from home. think we need work from home. i think we need to a realistic look at this. to get a realistic look at this. >> talk enough. >> do we talk enough. >> do we talk enough. >> i'll ask you this at home. do we about resilience. we talk enough about resilience. do you think we talk lot, do you think we talk a lot, don't stress, anxiety, don't we? about stress, anxiety, mental health, depression? and i'm of i'm not undermining any of those. familiar with those. you will be familiar with the i've had own the fact that i've had my own mental health challenges, i mental health challenges, so i am to undermine it am not seeking to undermine it at but normally motions, at all. but normally motions, that's what are. is that's what they are. life is not get not always easy. you get rejected work. your partner rejected from work. your partner might turn out be wrong'un rejected from work. your partner migidump out be wrong'un rejected from work. your partner migidump out someone'ong'un and dump you. someone unfortunately and dump you. someone unfortunatdo and dump you. someone unfortunat do you we whatever. do you think we help people manage those negative people to manage those negative emotions or not? get in emotions enough or not? get in touch the touch and tell me after the break. i to to you break. i want to talk to you though the house of lords. though about the house of lords. they've conversations they've started conversations now the treaty. when it now about the treaty. when it comes is comes to the uk and rwanda. is it are saying it time some people are saying it's it time some people are saying wsfime it time some people are saying it's time to scrap the house of lords altogether. others are

saying reform . saying it needs serious reform. can't wait to hear what jacqueline has to about jacqueline has to say about that. your thoughts that. but tell me your thoughts too, in two.

>> hello there, i'm michelle dewberry. >> this is dewbs& co on gb news. i've got to say, i do really enjoy the conversations that we have in the brit, which has been covering it all. we've been covering it all. we've been covering spinal surgery, medication, name it. do medication, you name it. i do like conversations , but like how brit conversations, but ineed like how brit conversations, but i need bring it back on air. i need to bring it back on air. because tonight i want talk because tonight i want to talk to about, the house of to you about, uh, the house of lords, one of my panel as a conservative mep and life peer , conservative mep and life peer, jacqueline foster. now we will know by now that the part of this rwanda plan and it's to do with the treaty. i have to make this clear to everyone at home. this not the same thing that this is not the same thing that was voted in the was being voted on in the commons the other day when we had of those amendments had all of those amendments and all it. this is all the rest of it. this is slightly different. this is a it's like complex of is

it's like a complex kind of is rwanda country? is it rwanda a safe country? is it not? and whether or not? and it's about whether or not? and it's about whether or not all going to be not that was all going to be ratified. now was ratified. now now it was basically voted against. jacqueline. that is short jacqueline. that is the short version. vote last night? >> well, i voted for i voted to take this forward . mhm. um, take this forward. mhm. um, i think what you've got to remember though, we do not have a majority , you've got to i a majority, you've got to i think, remember what house think, remember what the house is, lords i.e. is, a house of lords is for le. the second chamber and it is not to supremacy over the house to have supremacy over the house of the house of of commons. the house of commons, where you have an mp, will always supreme in will always reign supreme in this. this system where they this. in this system where they will call the shots, basically. um, but we're there to scrutinise to and police legislation that's coming through. um, it's done line by line. there's some great experts in there. they're not all ex politicians, by way . and so politicians, by the way. and so last night, uh, as i said, we don't have a majority. so no single party does anyway and has never had. and so we would have the liberal democrats, labour party was cross benches . there's party was cross benches. there's some independents. so we even though we had a good turnout , we

though we had a good turnout, we couldn't actually win that vote . couldn't actually win that vote. >> and when people say because many people i mean nigel for farage example, is basically saying that everyone needs to be gotten of and the whole gotten rid of and the whole thing. yeah um, essentially other are let's other people are saying, let's make elected premise where make it an elected premise where are on those kind of reform s? reforms? >> well, you know, i mean, if something is decided at some stage, an stage, then people want an elected i elected chamber, so be it. i think what need to take think what they need to take into is, do you still into account is, do you still want to make sure that your commons is the supreme chamber? um will your um um, because what will your new elected chamber do? and it's only actually going to be able to do. it's only going to be doing actually what's being done at the moment. also stop at the moment. and we also stop any party in way, having any one party in a way, having a majority. there is good cross majority. so there is good cross party hard for party debate. it's hard for government, whichever colour, to actually through actually get the stuff through sometimes. and very briefly, sometimes. um and very briefly, the cost of setting up an elected chamber. you're going to have to have um representatives decide which regions and constituencies they represent , constituencies they represent, that they need to have a salary , that they need to have a salary, they need to have a pension, they need to have a pension, they need to employ staff. they

need to have an office. and i have to tell you that would be financially hugely costly. >> i mean, you've got a question as well, the size of it. everyone but michael. >> yeah, i'm not >> well i mean yeah, i'm not sure lords is particularly sure the lords is particularly cost efficient moment cost efficient at the moment isn't cost efficient at the moment isnt one cost efficient at the moment isn't one of the isn't it. sort of one of the largest in the world? i largest chambers in the world? i think largest second think it's the largest second chamber well, i chamber after china. well, i think it might be largest think it might be the largest sort think it might be the largest sonyeah. you've got to >> yeah. but what you've got to remember, not just second chamber because there's so many. >> many people are in the lords? >> oh, there's about 700 or something. is a something. there is only a proportion in. you something. there is only a pr0|you on in. you something. there is only a pr0|you only in. you something. there is only a pr0|you only you in. you something. there is only a pr0|you only you are in. you something. there is only a pr0|you only you are only'ou something. there is only a pr0|you only you are only given. are you only you are only given. you get daily allowance. i'm you get a daily allowance. i'm not about this. not complaining about this. there's or pension or there's no salary or pension or anything. know that anything. people know that when they you have a daily they go in and you have a daily allowance your allowance which covers your accommodation. allowance which covers your accommwhenin. in london, london, when you're in london, because obviously people come from the country and we from all over the country and we don't get we don't have we're not paid for secretarial staff. so if you wanted to have somebody you, have somebody to help you, you'd have to your allowance. to take it out. your allowance. and i said, um, the and as i said, um, the conditions, if you had an elected chamber , it's not an elected chamber, it's not an excuse. it'sjust elected chamber, it's not an excuse. it's just a fact. you're going to fund a second going to have to fund a second elected chamber look at the

elected chamber and look at the cost what costs to run the cost of what it costs to run the commons. that's all i would say if equivalent. she if you wanted an equivalent. she makes point, michael. makes a good point, michael. >> i think um, would it >> i think there's, um, would it be efficient? be more efficient? >> well, i think there's one problem mentioned >> well, i think there's one problem lords, mentioned >> well, i think there's one problem lords, which nentioned >> well, i think there's one problem lords, which is�*itioned >> well, i think there's one problem lords, which is iioned >> well, i think there's one problem lords, which is i think >> well, i think there's one prgivesi lords, which is i think >> well, i think there's one prgives people which is i think >> well, i think there's one prgives people incentivesthink it gives people incentives basically to suck up to politicians. >> end of every prime >> so at the end of every prime minister's reign, get minister's reign, they get to nominate lords who nominate people to the lords who were most loyal to them. and i think that a think that creates a disincentive in politics. also, i think could look at the i think we could look at the idea as an idea of a second chamber as an opportunity. i think lots of people don't that people don't feel that representation in representation is good enough in this country , and could this country, and you could quite have second quite easily have a second chamber by chamber that's elected by a different means to the houses of commons. so it could be on a regional basis. it could be by proportional representation, and that might allow for more different voices to different kinds of voices to you've got regional representation . representation. >> we're from right across the country. yeah >> well yeah. >> obviously from. well yeah. but only by but that's only sort of by accident. but that's only sort of by acc i ient. but that's only sort of by achient. not all of us are >> i said not all of us are politicians that gone in. politicians that have gone in. i mean, got people, mean, you've got people, obviously got business obviously you've got business people. sitting next people. i mean, i'm sitting next to, um, some of the best legal

brains probably, maybe they could election in could for stand election in a second chamber and see how well the them. the public are with them. i don't know, mean, i'm just don't know, i mean, i'm just saying. but do have in saying. but what you do have in there is a vast cross section of expertise different expertise from all different fields, all different fields. michael, that in when michael, we bring that in when we're doing debates. we're when we're doing debates. i'll listen to i'll go and sit in and listen to them and doctors and them because and doctors and surgeons all sorts surgeons and all sorts of people. it's very interesting people. so it's very interesting my says michelle, my view of mick says, michelle, i've solution. i've got the solution. >> says. but >> keep the lords, he says. but get rid of the commons. blimey. uh, phil says if all of the lords were like jacqueline , we lords were like jacqueline, we would be all right. but unfortunately they are not. how can it be, as bernard, that an unelected body who are an a purse majority , uh, may be purse majority, uh, may be a fair system for the electorate. uh, look, keep your thoughts on that one coming in, i asked you i did a poll. do you want tax cuts or do you want more investment in public services ? investment in public services? 68.9% of you went for tax cuts and 31.1% of you want more investment in public services. john on twitter says, well , john on twitter says, well, basically, yes, we want better

pubuc basically, yes, we want better public spending, not necessarily more money. those two things are not, uh, necessarily linked. michael jacqueline, thanks for your time up next is farage and it's hosted by chris hope, a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello, it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast storm. >> jocelyn sweeps through overnight increasingly windy with heavy showers for many of us. >> us. >> although the wettest weather for carried through on tuesday day is now clearing to showers and some longer spells of rain in the far northwest. it is in the far northwest where the strongest of the winds will be, and for many parts of the uk we'll see wind of 50 miles we'll see wind gusts of 50 miles an 65 near coasts. but for an hour 65 near coasts. but for the north and west of scotland, that's we've an amber that's where we've got an amber warning, because overnight winds will 70 80 miles will gust up to 70 or 80 miles an hour. yet it's a bit more of an hour. yet it's a bit more of a normal winter storm compared with isha. clear

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