>> good evening i'm christopher hopein >> good evening i'm christopher hope in for nigel farage, who is still a bit poorly, but we do have or have a special message from the prime minister later on just for nigel. tune in and stay tuned for that . overnight. we tuned for that. overnight. we heard there's been a second round of airstrikes on the houthis yemen. are we on the houthis in yemen. are we on the bnnk houthis in yemen. are we on the brink of a war.7 we'll discuss that with a top senior tory. and the blob is back to its meddling ways, this time advising the treasury that we need more immigration. yep, you heard that right. and probably nigel did, too, from his sickbed , more too, from his sickbed, more immigration and our labour. the right party for the nhs. they've promised to get tough on waste . promised to get tough on waste. we'll have all that in the next hour. we'll have all that in the next hour . but we'll have all that in the next hour. but first, the

we'll have all that in the next hour . but first, the news with hour. but first, the news with with polly . yes it is me, with polly. yes it is me, christopher. >> good evening. well the top story from the gb news newsroom tonight is, as chris was saying, the prime minister says the uk will not hesitate to take further action yemen further action in yemen following attacks on following a spate of attacks on commercial shipping in red commercial shipping in the red sea. sunak described the sea. rishi sunak described the attacks by the iranian backed militants as illegal and militants today as illegal and unacceptable, and it comes after last night's joint strike with the us, which took place after a meeting with president biden. the labour leader, sir keir starmer, backed the government's targeted action and rishi sunak signalled new sanctions could be possible in the coming days, warning further attacks will be met with a response. we are not seeking a confrontation . seeking a confrontation. >> we urge the houthis and those who enable them to stop these illegal and unacceptable attacks . but if necessary, the united kingdom will not hesitate to

respond again in self—defence . respond again in self—defence. we cannot stand by and allow these attacks to go unchallenged in action is also a choice . in action is also a choice. >> prime minister now forecasters are warning of strong winds and heavy rain across the whole of the uk tonight, as another storm sweeps in. she's called storm jocelyn. she's already battering britain tonight. there are amber and yellow alerts for much of the country , particularly the north, country, particularly the north, and there are yellow warnings for rain and ice also in place for rain and ice also in place for northern and eastern parts of scotland . no trains running of scotland. no trains running in scotland from from tonight. from about now 7:00 and tomorrow's rush hour trains will be out of service , as well as be out of service, as well as scotrail checks the lines for damage. drivers are being advised to postpone journeys and not park near trees . news from not park near trees. news from the united states and donald trump says he expects his last remaining republican opponent to drop out after today's new hampshire primary. polls are pointing to a likely victory for

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gb news found books of stamps, bought direct from post offices and some supermarkets were found to be counterfeit , but those to be counterfeit, but those affected are now being forced to pay affected are now being forced to pay four times the cost of standard first class stamps. the post office says it received stamps directly from royal mail. a spokesperson for royal mail told gb news it does have a robust process for verifying stamps and anyone who thinks they've been incorrectly charged should contact them. this is gb news across the uk on tv , in news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker. this is britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> good evening, i'm christopher hope, standing in for nigel farage on gb news this evening. now last night the uk and us military launched fresh strikes against houthi rebels in yemen as they continue to attack vessels in the red sea . four raf vessels in the red sea. four raf typhoons and a pair of voyager tankers were involved in the

latest strikes. the prime minister rishi sunak, insisted the uk will not hesitate to strike again, but didn't want to state whether the uk was in a prolonged fight with the houthis. questions are now being asked about whether we have the military strength to be involved in such action, given the falling numbers on troops, and also whether it's time for parliament to be given a vote on the strikes themselves in yemen. the question i'm asking tonight is should uk have got is this should the uk have got involved in strikes the involved in strikes against the houthi rebels? please let me know your thoughts. email me . know your thoughts. email me. farage farage at gb news .com . farage farage at gb news .com. let's go to mark francois . mark, let's go to mark francois. mark, you were a senior figure on the defence select committee . do you defence select committee. do you worry about why we're involved in the yemen ? in the yemen? >> i think what we've done is right , >> i think what we've done is right, right. i think the prime minister when he when he told the commons today this was ultimately an act of self defence, was correct under

international law, there is no question at all that we and the americans can take action to maintain freedom of navigation on the seas . maintain freedom of navigation on the seas. the houthis are using rockets to try and attack warships going about innocent passage. and if we don't do this, if we let them carry on doing it , then the red sea will doing it, then the red sea will be out. everything will have to go via the cape. and what that means for your viewers is that about a month or so from now, the price of their petrol is going skyrocket. so going to start to skyrocket. so what done is propose what we have done is propose passionate. correct under passionate. it is correct under international and international law and i absolutely back the prime minister in doing this. >> why is it just the uk and us doing the actual attacks? >> well , firstly because we have >> well, firstly because we have the capability to do it . the capability to do it. secondly perhaps because some of our european partners are more skhfish. our european partners are more skittish . but look , skittish. but look, historically, you know, we are a maritime nation. we, you know, 90% of our trade comes by sea.

the royal navy , historically one the royal navy, historically one of its missions down the centuries has been to provide freedom of navigation for our ships and those of our allies. and that is what our armed forces are doing. so so at the end of the day, iran's behind it. not a secret. they're also behind hamas. they're also behind hamas. they're also behind hezbollah . so we know behind hezbollah. so we know ultimately where this is being engineered from them. and we very much hope that the houthis will desist . but if they won't, will desist. but if they won't, these strikes may have to continue until they do . continue until they do. >> and there's no vote in in the house of commons. there's a general debate tomorrow in the house of commons on this. when the will what's the commons will note what's happening . but not happening. but it's not amendable. there's no vote, amendable. so there's no vote, unlike in 2013 when there was a vote on bombing in syria, which the government lost. >> the circumstance >> i think the circumstance is are are different. i think this is i remember the syria vote was controversial. i was in that debate. through virtually debate. i sat through virtually every minute it, actually . it every minute of it, actually. it was a debate about iraq , even

was a debate about iraq, even though theoretically we were voting about syria. i was there iraq 23, you mean? >> yes. so there's nervousness about iraq. >> yes. but these are >> 23 yes. but these are targeted , proportionate strikes targeted, proportionate strikes designed for one single purpose . designed for one single purpose. the syria debate, the argument was what are the strikes for? i remember all of this in this case it couldn't be clearer. it's to stop the houthis firing rockets at innocent merchant shipping. it's a very crystal clear military objective. and that's why i think the commons should be behind the prime minister. and i don't think we need a vote to prove it at all, even if there are several more. >> one off strikes, because last week, last week, friday's friday strike was off. so was last strike was one off. so was last night. i mean, at what point do you say, well, hang on, let's ensure that the commons is behind this. ensure that the commons is beiwell,|is. ensure that the commons is beiwell,|ishope the houthis will >> well, i hope the houthis will stop chopper . let's see how this stop chopper. let's see how this plays out . but i don't think we plays out. but i don't think we want to be in a situation where we have to have a vote in the house of commons, despite what sir ed davey likes to say, if we

drop one bomb anywhere in the world because if we do that, we're playing right into the hands potential enemies, hands of our potential enemies, we'd hamstrung and we can. >> and we have got declining numbers of personnel, >> and we have got declining numbers of personnel , 30,000 >> and we have got declining numbers of personnel, 30,000 or so in the royal navy , 2700 so in the royal navy, 2700 reservists. is that enough? do you feel confident that's enough to write related issue on recruitment and retention. >> we do have a crisis , and i >> we do have a crisis, and i use the word advisedly . chopper use the word advisedly. chopper at the moment, the bottom line figure is for every one new recruit that joins the armed forces, whichever service three are leaving. so it's a graphic example that my wife works in the nhs. so i'm now using medical analogies in terms of retention of armed forces personnel . it's a bit like personnel. it's a bit like a patient on the operating theatre bleeding out . if you can't stop bleeding out. if you can't stop the bleeding, eventually you lose the patient. so we need the defence secretary needs to come

to parliament, make a statement of what we're going to do to stop people leaving the armed forces, because if we don't in a few years from now, we won't be able to carry that those able to carry out that those sorts of actions against the houthis, won't have houthis, because we won't have the to the jets the people to maintain the jets to off. to take off. >> well, i've got mark. >> well, i've got you, mark. francois, ask you about >> well, i've got you, mark. frarvotes ask you about >> well, i've got you, mark. frarvotes last ask you about >> well, i've got you, mark. frarvotes last week. you about >> well, i've got you, mark. frarvotes last week. d0| about >> well, i've got you, mark. frarvotes last week. do you»ut >> well, i've got you, mark. frarvotes last week. do you feel the votes last week. do you feel betrayed by colleagues, the 60 or so who supported the amendments to harden up that rwanda bill, diminish to just 11 of you by the third reading? they let you down, didn't they? >> trouble at the end of the >> no trouble at the end of the day. in a situation day. and in a situation like this, everybody look into this, everybody has to look into their and decide what their own heart and decide what to do. my view is this made to do. my view is this we made our point . we're on the record, our point. we're on the record, as you would say. our point. we're on the record, as you would say . either our point. we're on the record, as you would say. either a our point. we're on the record, as you would say . either a plane as you would say. either a plane takes orit as you would say. either a plane takes or it doesn't . we takes off or it doesn't. we thought might not. others thought it might not. others thought it might not. others thought it might not. others thought it would. it's going to take few to find out take a few months to find out either way, isn't it? because we've to get bill we've got to get the bill through then through the lords. and then there may a ping pong there may be a ping pong and ejections at point few ejections at some point a few months now. either a plane months from now. either a plane will or won't. if will take off or it won't. if the plane off, i will come the plane takes off, i will come in studio and your hot

in the studio and eat your hot well. i won't eat anything but i will my hand up and say will put my hand up and say i was wrong. let's just see was wrong. but let's just see what happens. did you feel betrayed? >> do feel. how do you feel >> do you feel. how do you feel when alone with when you were alone there with ten other colleagues? when you were alone there with ten uh,ar colleagues? when you were alone there with ten uh, well, .eagues? when you were alone there with ten uh, well, we|ues? when you were alone there with ten uh, well, we weren't alone. >> uh, well, we weren't alone. there know, you had there was, you know, you had ocean's maybe ocean's11. maybe we were. kruger's entirely kruger's11. i wasn't entirely alone. chopper. mark. >> thank now, >> francois. thank you. now, meanwhile, troops have meanwhile, israel troops have suffered deadliest day of suffered their deadliest day of fighting soldiers were fighting after 24 soldiers were killed by hamas, both in central gaza and as ground forces approached the enclave's second city, khan younis. it comes as israel continues to face calls for a permanent ceasefire , as for a permanent ceasefire, as the amount of palestinian people facing starvation and dying continues to rise. however prime minister benjamin netanyahu is still refusing to accept any deals , saying that hamas was deals, saying that hamas was demanding too high a price for any truce and vowed that israel will not stop fighting until total victory. joining me now to discuss this is eyal biram , a discuss this is eyal biram, a former a currently a reserve captain in israeli defence special forces . thank you for

special forces. thank you for joining us today. it's been a so difficult for you. you've been out fighting in in in gaza. >> yeah . i just returned from my >> yeah. i just returned from my service and what i can tell you is that the idea of although the fighting in one of the most complicated wars in the last two years are doing a fantastic work. um there are tragedies like the tragedy yesterday . um, like the tragedy yesterday. um, but i can guarantee that as the idf is learning and debriefing in any situation like that , 24 in any situation like that, 24 soldiers who've been killed in the last the last day, um , they the last the last day, um, they just do it because we understand that we don't have any other option. although we need this war making sure that hamas war and making sure that hamas will not be in power and the remaining by remaining hostages still held by hamas return home. hamas will return home. >> does victory look like >> what does victory look like for you? is it surely you know, you have to. you have to allow some two state solution some kind of two state solution is what what? the way the west sees it. that's not that's sees it. and that's not that's disputed benjamin netanyahu. sees it. and that's not that's dis|youd benjamin netanyahu. sees it. and that's not that's dis|you know,enjamin netanyahu. sees it. and that's not that's dis|you know, i'm min netanyahu. sees it. and that's not that's dis|you know, i'm not netanyahu. sees it. and that's not that's dis|you know, i'm not the anyahu. sees it. and that's not that's dis|you know, i'm not the prime]. >> you know, i'm not the prime minister spokesperson. what i can from the israeli society can say from the israeli society essence is that we are not

interested about terminology , interested about terminology, but we look the essence for but we look for the essence for the topics. what is real on the ground what see as ground and what we see as israeli side that we don't want nor to control the palestinians. but on the other hand, to make sure the future october sure that in the future october seven again, not seven cannot happen again, not in gaza, not in judea and samaria and the west bank, and not in the north, with lebanon. and what we right is and what we see right now is many people chanting, uh, from and what we see right now is marriverople chanting, uh, from and what we see right now is marriveroplthelanting, uh, from and what we see right now is marriveroplthe sea.1g, uh, from and what we see right now is marriveroplthe sea. and h, from and what we see right now is marriveroplthe sea. and what�*n the river to the sea. and what we that although we understand is that although israel tried in 1967, 1948, 2000, 2008 and more to try to have a two state solution, it was always rejected. and we understand right now that the palestinian side are aiming not just to have a small jewish state, but they don't want to have jewish state. this have any jewish state. and this is, course, threat. and is, of course, the threat. and what danger that we see? what is the danger that we see? >> and and you have friends >> and you and you have friends who have died? is that right? you know, people who die. and do you you know any any of you have do you know any any of the hostages or i unfortunately, l, the hostages or i unfortunately, i, lost nine, of my i, i lost nine, nine of my friends during this, this war. i, i lost nine, nine of my frieand during this, this war. i, i lost nine, nine of my frieand ijring this, this war. i, i lost nine, nine of my frieand i think:his, this war. i, i lost nine, nine of my frieand i think everyiis war. i, i lost nine, nine of my frieand i think every israeli , >> and i think every israeli, um, friends and family um, have many friends and family members, the people that they

know been killed, um, know that that been killed, um, and on october 7th, before the war was started and israel was not aiming to start a war, and more that was wanted to more than that was wanted to continue ceasefire that was continue the ceasefire that was there. before that, as there. and before that, as people in nova people dance in the nova festival and what we are aiming right now sure that right now to make sure that stopping right the war and stopping right now, the war and chanting for a ceasefire now will make sure that hamas will stay in power. but more than that, it will just create a shorter we'll see shorter future when we'll see another october seventh happening. we not want happening. and we do not want to see i mentioned, not in see it, as i mentioned, not in the and not in any the gaza border and not in any of so does of the border. so what does peace then? peace look like then? >> i you'll have to >> i mean, you'll have to withdraw to border. withdraw back to the border. pre—october the seventh, israel will withdraw and then what will who will help help rebuild gaza ? who will help help rebuild gaza? >> i think israel is looking for one thing. and when it will be guaranteed, we will see a different which is different future, which is security. now, the security. right now, the security. right now, the security the security of israel and the future is not in the future of israel is not in the future of israel is not in the future that we can see. on 2006, after the war with lebanon, the idf withdraw from lebanon and there a resolution by the there is a resolution by the security council that hamas and

hezbollah in southern lebanon continue to dispute it. and putting their forces on the border. and we want to make sure that all the guarantees that will be put to israel would be a guarantees that will also guarantees that will be also enforced, problem enforced, and this is a problem in this is a problem in in gaza. this is a problem in lebanon. and this problem lebanon. and this is a problem in west bank. in the west bank. >> and you look the >> and you look at the demonstrations of demonstrations on the streets of london, what is your message to those people demonstrating the pro—palestine marches ? pro—palestine marches? >> what i can say is an idf officer being there on the ground is that the idf is taking the life of the palestinians more than hamas , more seriously than hamas, because hamas putting their because hamas is putting their weapons hospitals and un weapons in hospitals and un facilities, and in school. when the preventing on a daily the idf is preventing on a daily basis, any non—combatant casualties. although it's happening because hamas is forcing them to live. but this is the reality that we face in every brief before a mission that we go out, we're speaking about the civilians on the other side. and although most of hamas do not go with uniform , they try do not go with uniform, they try to go as citizen and then to attack return back for their attack and return back for their

civilian areas. >> can i make point? >> so can i make one point? yeah.i >> so can i make one point? yeah. i apologise for interrupting everyone who knows iran's it. iran's behind it. >> not secret. they're >> it's not a secret. they're behind hamas , they're behind behind hamas, they're behind hezbollah, they're behind the houthis. our government has just banned hizb ut—tahrir. we've made them proscribed made them a proscribed organisation. oh, when are organisation. when oh, when are we going to take next we going to take the next logical step proscribe the logical step and proscribe the iranian guard iranian revolutionary guard corps the united kingdom ? corps of the united kingdom? >> i with you. and i think >> i agree with you. and i think this iran threats that's this is all iran threats that's starting to continue from the houthis and hezbollah starting to continue from the hohamas, and hezbollah starting to continue from the hohamas, to and hezbollah starting to continue from the hohamas, to iraqi d hezbollah starting to continue from the hohamas, to iraqi forces,ollah to hamas, to the iraqi forces, to hamas, to the iraqi forces, to forces and more. to the syrian forces and more. and is the common threat and this is the common threat that we are facing as the western world, uk is western world, the uk is fighting in, yemen fighting in, in, in, in yemen right now, while israel is fighting and lebanon . fighting in gaza and in lebanon. and we need to understand that we win it together. we should win it together. yeah. >> should abide by the >> well, you should abide by the law armed conflict. i think law of armed conflict. i think you should. but iran does not have that constraint. so let us be realistic about this . when be realistic about this. when will the british government take the next logical step? if we are bombing the houthis, it makes no sense all not to ban and sense at all not to ban and prescribe the does it ? prescribe the irgc, does it? >> i agree with you very , very

>> i agree with you very, very said. i think iran is the threat for the region and globally . for the region and globally. >> and as you do, you know how doesit >> and as you do, you know how does it end? what is the ending is the last hostage is released and then it stops. yeah. >> the end as antony blinken, as antony blinken said, the end will be a no. gazan will be die when the hostages will when all the hostages will be back surrender . back and hamas will surrender. and until it will not happen, we will continue war will continue seeing the war happening and i hope when people are the street and are walking in the street and call for ceasefire, they should call for ceasefire, they should call surrender and call for hamas to surrender and send back all the hostages. and i it will take it will i hope it will take it will happen soon, but we are more likely a few years a likely to see a few years of a war. a few a few years. it may happen. yeah that's what israel is preparing right now. >> okay. well, um, thank you. l barham, joining barham, thank you for joining us today. barham, thank you for joining us toda conservative barham, thank you for joining us todaconservative mp, of course , and conservative mp, of course, mark francois . now, and conservative mp, of course, mark francois. now, um , uh, yes. mark francois. now, um, uh, yes. over to a break now, uh , in over to a break now, uh, in a minute, we'll be talking about treasury. treasury orthodoxy and why the treasury is advising , why the treasury is advising, uh, number 10 to increase migration to boost growth. we'll

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counterfeit or pre—used. >> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> welcome back. this is farage on gb news. i'm christopher hope in for nigel. now before the break i asked you should we have got involved in strikes against houthi rebels ? you'd be getting houthi rebels? you'd be getting in . alison says yes . we in touch. alison says yes. we need to stop the houthis exclamation mark. peter says, whose ships are being attacked and who is responding to those attacks . rishi sunak said attacks. rishi sunak said self—defence , pat says of course self—defence, pat says of course we should defend red sea shipping and we should also hit back at israel. we should back israel to the hilt against these and other barbarous terrorists . and other barbarous terrorists. and gary says, i'm fully in agreement with the strike and fully back the strikes if necessary . it's about time we necessary. it's about time we stood up strong again . those

stood up strong again. those terrorists . now. leaked terrorists. now. leaked documents seen by bloomberg reveal that the treasury advised then chancellor . rishi sunak reveal that the treasury advised then chancellor. rishi sunak in 2022 that cutting taxes would have a low impact on boosting growth, with treasury staff reportedly claiming a hike to high skilled immigration and changing planning rules to build more homes would be better for the economy at lower fiscal cost . now, rishi sunak and jeremy and the treasury declined to comment, but an official close to jeremy hunt, the current chancellor, pointed to analysis by the uk's fiscal watchdog, which found that measures announced in the autumn would see a permanent 0.5 percent increase in output by 2028. what are they right? or is this just more anti—growth treasury orthodoxy? joining me tonight to discuss just this is eliot keck , discuss just this is eliot keck, the head of campaigns at the taxpayers alliance, and eamonn ives, the head of research at the entrepreneur entrepreneur's

network and a former government adviser to alok sharma. thank you. eliot of the taxpayers alliance first. first to you, do you worry about the impact of net migration? >> um, i think listen, the treasury is right to point to the fact there is more to the fact that there is more to growth than simply tax cuts. and you know, coming from the taxpayers that should taxpayers alliance that should hopefully bit hopefully carry a little bit of weight planning important weight. planning is an important part of having the right part of it. uh, having the right level of particularly high skilled immigration to ensure that where there are vacancies, uh , is important. but i think uh, is important. but i think they are completely wrong to dismiss tax cuts in that the way they have done. i think this is a treasury orthodoxy a typical treasury orthodoxy where they're at the where they're looking at the books, looking at books, they're looking at essentially impact of essentially the static impact of a where they're just a tax cut where they're just thinking, okay, year one, thinking, okay, in year one, we're going to have a little less going be we're going to have a little leproblem going be we're going to have a little leproblem for going be we're going to have a little leproblem for us. going be we're going to have a little leproblem for us. and )ing be we're going to have a little leproblem for us. and they're be a problem for us. and they're not thinking longer not thinking about the longer tum. how does that impact people's what the people's behaviour and what the taxpayers alliance has found through modelling, taxpayers alliance has found througassesses modelling, taxpayers alliance has found througassesses people's�*delling, which assesses people's behaviour response tax behaviour in response to tax cuts that actually often cuts, finds that actually often you recoup as much and you recoup as much as half and sometimes even whole amount sometimes even the whole amount of tax cut over an extended

of the tax cut over an extended penod of the tax cut over an extended period of time. >> what's your take on >> i mean, what's your take on that migration? seen that migration? it's seen as the, the the, you know, why is the government people government allowing people to be on driving on benefits, not driving more than back into the workplace? >> think important >> well, i think it's important to that, uh , immigration is to note that, uh, immigration is a part of a thriving and a central part of a thriving and flourishing economy . um, we know flourishing economy. um, we know that immigrants , um, are that immigrants, um, are disproportionately found some of our most high growth and innovative companies. i think they're going to be essential for the uk going forwards. um, so, i think where there's so, so i think where there's treasury analysis that we've seen here, um, is actually quite right on the on the presenting that sort of case, uh, to the chancellor that, um, you know, if we do want to see economic growth, i think we need to be open and honest about that , um, open and honest about that, um, that immigrants are going to be an essential part of that. >> but at what levels are you happy, malik? you know 745,000 in 1 year is too many. >> well, i think again, it depends on what importance you place growth above place on economic growth above everything i think everything else. and i think that conversation that is a genuine conversation that is a genuine conversation that politicians need to have. so, for example , the level of

so, for example, the level of tax that the taxpayers alliance advocates, which is about 33% of national , and where are national income, and where are we now? we're about 36, we now? again, we're about 36, 37 heading towards uh, that's significantly above the academic consensus the growth consensus of the growth optimising which is more optimising rate, which is more like 20, and that's because like 20, 21. and that's because we recognise actually we recognise that actually pubuc we recognise that actually public services are worth funding. on funding. so the question on immigration is, okay, it's possible immigration may possible that immigration may boost uk economy, but if boost the uk economy, but if that harm of many that comes to the harm of many other things it's other things, whether it's people's belonging in people's sense of belonging in the nation, whether it's some parts kingdom that parts of the united kingdom that don't to training don't get access to the training and the skills, then you do have and the skills, then you do have a bit of a trade off there. and that's something politicians do need to be honest about. >> does that balance lie >> where does that balance lie for you? eamonn i mean, you need to some migration. to have some migration. maybe the of the higher skilled type of migrant good, but migrant coming here is good, but the is not so good. >> i mean, i think it's an open question. i mean, i personally am relaxed with, um, you am quite relaxed with, um, you know, reasonably high of know, reasonably high levels of immigration. i look at immigration. i think i look at some the most important some of the, the most important and in the and lucrative countries in the country, they are, country, and i think they are, um, you know, very founded country, and i think they are, unco—founded very founded country, and i think they are, unco—founded byry founded country, and i think they are, unco—founded by by founded country, and i think they are,

unco—founded by by found who or co—founded by by somebody who was born overseas, someone who wants to bring their talents here. they uk very here. they see the uk as a very attractive set up attractive place to set up a business. and i don't business. and and i don't see why to necessarily why we would want to necessarily turn or the door on turn the or shut the door on those sorts people. those sorts of people. >> but you're relaxed because you're it. so you're not affected by it. so the net migration the point about net migration is that a lot of stress that it can put a lot of stress on places , gp surgeries, on school places, gp surgeries, dental is that dental appointments is that right? or have been right? or have you been affected, affected by net affected, badly affected by net migration affected, badly affected by net miglation affected, badly affected by net migl do n affected, badly affected by net migl do use the nhs and um, >> i do use the nhs and um, that's where you where you are. >> you're not affected by it. but certainly some communities, they feel they can't get access to they might to services. i mean, they might that something they that might be something they feel, um, i'm not convinced. >> i think the, uh , a lot of the >> i think the, uh, a lot of the evidence is there that immigrants, uh, contribute immigrants, um, uh, contribute more fiscally than they take out. and, and, uh, if we do want to create a visa system as, as organisations like the one i work for have campaigned for, we want to make it easier for people who can contribute those higher salaries to come into this country. much more easily is number oversimplistic tens is a number oversimplistic tens of thousands was a figure which david cameron said, didn't he?

>> 2010 never got near that. >> in 2010 never got near that. and now we're seven times that figure. year think figure. last year i think definitely into the definitely when you get into the realm talking about of realm of talking about tens of thousands, if you're not hitting that extended period of that over an extended period of time, you do have problem with time, you do have a problem with your among public. >> and i think the chancellor and prime minister are to and the prime minister are to some that the some extent, seeing that on the tax well, where, you tax front as well, where, you know, they're complaining about the that haven't the fact that they haven't seen the fact that they haven't seen the benefits national the benefits of the national insurance cut will inevitably the burden still heading the tax burden is still heading to a record high. people are not feeling wealthier. so i think it's important that when politicians promises , there politicians make promises, there is a feasible way that they can achieve it . and maybe if that's achieve it. and maybe if that's not achieve it to 100, maybe that's not achieve everything that's not achieve everything that they say. but when there's such a disparity between the rhetoric and reality, that's rhetoric and the reality, that's when real problems when you get into real problems in politics. >> your aim with net migration , >> your aim with net migration, labour comes in. they won't put numbers on it either, will they? so to be i mean, so we are going to be i mean, it's a kind of credit to it's almost a kind of credit to this country that we are we are wanting people to come here. don't, don't mean, in a sense

don't, don't i mean, in a sense that's a good thing. i think it's that people want that's a good thing. i think it's here. hat people want to come here. >> and i don't see why that should something that shy should be something that we shy away know, as away from. um you know, as i said, we want to be capturing said, if we want to be capturing those kind of new industries of the i biosciences things those kind of new industries of the that. i biosciences things those kind of new industries of the that. i bioscie i:es things those kind of new industries of the that. i bioscie i:es thiwe; like that. um, then i think we need to at where those need to look at where those talents make um, talents lie and make it, um, make the attractive make the uk an attractive environment to, to enable people to come and deploy those talents. >> well, eamonn ives, head of research at the entrepreneurs network and a former special adviser. thank you. and to you, eliot of eliot keck, two head of campaigns at taxpayers alliance . campaigns at taxpayers alliance. thank you. i'm joined now my thank you. i'm joined now by my colleague christys, colleague patrick christys, who has exclusive has a brilliant exclusive live on show evening from on his show this evening from 9 pm. visited the p.m. patrick, you visited the michaela community school today , michaela community school today, the free school at the centre of a muslim prayer row, for an in—depth chat with britain's strictest headteacher, catherine birbalsingh. miss birbalsingh revealed why her school's strictly meant she strictly ethos meant she couldn't open prayer room in couldn't open a prayer room in her school, and the toll the case her her case has taken on her and her staff. tell us more. >> yeah, look, put simply, this is of the day. if is the interview of the day. if you had plans between 9 and 11 pm. tonight, cancel those p.m. tonight, cancel those plans. of your

plans. sit in front of your television , gb on and television, put gb news on and watch my show. because this court cuts right to the court case cuts right to the very heart of major issues in britain at the moment. britain's strictures. headteacher a school with impeccable results. a school founded on community and multiculture ism working well together , has now been dragged together, has now been dragged together, has now been dragged to the high court by one singular radical muslim pupil. funded by taxpayer funded legal aid over whether or not she should introduce a muslim prayer room in that school . she's room in that school. she's received death threats. the school's received bomb threats, people . teachers have been people. teachers have been targeted at home. look, i caught up with her earlier today . this up with her earlier today. this court case does. like i was saying , cut right to the very saying, cut right to the very heart of my massive problems in britain at the about britain at the moment about radical fundamentalism infiltrating british society . infiltrating british society. here's a little snippet of what catherine birbalsingh had to say to me. >> we all need to recognise that all of us need to make sacrifices for the betterment of

the whole, so that we can all get on, and that schools play such an important part of this. now, obviously , if your school now, obviously, if your school is one where the children roam the corridors and the children do whatever they like during lunch , then suppose you might lunch, then i suppose you might choose to have a prayer room and that's you know, i'm not that's fine. you know, i'm not suggesting that all schools shouldn't room, shouldn't have a prayer room, but if a but i do think that if a school's is such and school's ethos is such and building is such that they cannot have a prayer then cannot have a prayer room, then they allowed to not they should be allowed to not have room. have a prayer room. >> that's a watch >> well, that's a must watch interview tonight and we'll be tuning at 9 pm. you . now tuning at 9 pm. thank you. now coming the labour party is coming up, the labour party is criticised . amount wasted criticised. the amount wasted within the nhs warning it could bankrupt the health service . bankrupt the health service. this is farage on gb news

radio. >> welcome back to farage on gb news with me , christopher hope news with me, christopher hope in for nigel and nigel. get well soon. the labour party today

wage war on waste within the nhs. they've they've warned that not making the most of public money could bankrupt the health service . the shadow health service. the shadow health secretary, wes streeting, told the sun newspaper he has identified £10 billion worth of waste and called for reform of the health service, telling the newspaper you can't just keep on pounng newspaper you can't just keep on pouring every increasing amounts of money into a leaky bucket. you've got to deal with the bucket itself and recent polling on which the party would be best placed to handle the nhs had labour at 39% and the tories at just 11. so who's best placed to deal with our health service? joining me now to discuss this is doctor peter carter , is doctor peter carter, independent health consultant and a former chief executive of the royal college of nursing. peter have you experienced waste within nhs in your time ? within nhs in your time? >> yes . um, within nhs in your time? >> yes. um, i'm saddened to say and i do want to say christopher , that i still think despite the difficulties, we have a very good health service. um, but it

could be better and over the years, from successive governments, we have seen waste and things being done, which have put a lot of financial pressure on the nhs and if i can go on to say that am i worry is in this election year, we're going to get promises and commitments from political parties across the spectrum promising , parties across the spectrum promising, um, parties across the spectrum promising , um, that they're promising, um, that they're going to sort things out. and one of the things they will be saying is they're going to eliminate waste. now who could possibly disagree with that ? possibly disagree with that? what i would say to the labour party is two things. first of all, can you please produce us some costed plans? i identify where is the waste , how much and where is the waste, how much and how you're going to go about it, and the second thing, if i could go on to say is this. i hope the labour party have learned the lessons from the last time that

they were in power, because . they were in power, because. because at that time there was a lot of money in the economy and the nhs. the labour party did do some very good things with the nhs , but they also wasted a huge nhs, but they also wasted a huge amount of money. and may i give you one example? um, in 2002 they, they set up an it system and that was going to cost £2.3 billion. a lot of public . money billion. a lot of public. money by 2008 that had overspent to £12 billion. i mean, it's an astronomical overspend and the whole thing collapsed and we didn't have an it system now. so i say to the labour party, be very cautious about making a whole range of sweeping promises, because when you get into power, it might be more difficult to deliver. and that's not in anyone's interests . not in anyone's interests. >> do we need to differentiate between acute care where the nhs

can be so good and longer terms issues when you have these huge waiting lists building up ? waiting lists building up? >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, um, it's not through the fault of clinical staff. um you couldn't wish for a more dedicated group of public servants , and they're of public servants, and they're working extremely hard. but what you need to do is look at where. why have we got some of these problems? and there's a whole range of things, and we won't have time to cover them. i know in this interview, but i'll just make a couple of points. endless governments persuasions governments of all persuasions have the issue of have not addressed the issue of social care and christopher, as you and i are sitting here tonight viewing me, there are 13,000 people ill in our hospital hospitals that do not need to be there , but they can't need to be there, but they can't be discharged either because of a lack of investment in social care or because of the disastrous cuts in district

nurses . so, peter. nurses. so, peter. >> what? >> what? >> sorry , i of course that's the >> sorry, i of course that's the issue of social care, which is all part of the same conversation. >> what's the worst piece of waste you've experienced in the nhs? thought nhs? you thought if only minister see they minister could see this, they could it out . could sort it out. >> well, perpetual reorganisations, um , and again, reorganisations, um, and again, every government that comes into power and i've been around a long time now. they are just they cannot resist reorganising they cannot resist reorganising the nhs . and wes streeting has the nhs. and wes streeting has talked about this. they're going to restructure and i guarantee you it will cost billions of pounds.it you it will cost billions of pounds . it will take years. pounds. it will take years. they'll take their eye off the ball and it will not achieve any meaningful purpose. so what i would say to the labour party or the conservatives or the lib dems or anyone else talk , talk dems or anyone else talk, talk to the clinicians, talk to the managers that are currently in the nhs and work together to find some sensible solutions rather than making a whole raft of promises which they will

struggle to deliver . struggle to deliver. >> well, doctor peter carter, thank you for joining >> well, doctor peter carter, thank you forjoining us >> well, doctor peter carter, thank you for joining us tonight on farage and gb news. we'll be next is chris thomas , head of next is chris thomas, head of commission on on health and prosperity at the institute for pubuc prosperity at the institute for public policy research . chris, public policy research. chris, looking at that polling earlier , looking at that polling earlier, is it the case then that really labour and not the tories have the political space to do actual reform to the nhs because the tories aren't trusted on the nhs ? >> 7- >> look, i 7 >> look, i think ? >> look, i think the real 7 >> look, i think the real issue here is that there is no political party that if they decide to take a very command and control and individual will solve this kind of approach, will be able to put the nhs back on track. i think any politician coming in has to identify that a lot of this waste is local. it's about local variation between hospital and hospital and the only real solution is really to give power back to clinicians . give power back to clinicians. it's to devolve power and to let clinicians get on with the job of identifying what's going wrong and putting in place the solutions that are often best placed to see where things are

wrong identify how to wrong and to identify how to change it's hard to change it. and it's hard to target that money. >> i mean, we think back to 2001, when labour spent 2001, 2002, when labour spent heavily nhs and critics heavily on the nhs and critics said a lot of it went into the pockets of staff rather than improving outcomes improving the outcomes for patients . patients. >> yeah , i mean, i think, you >> yeah, i mean, i think, you know, the recent history of the nhs is that money hasn't been going into clinicians pockets and in fact, we've seen big real terms pay cuts and a real staffing crisis in the nhs. >> and that's inefficient in its own right. it's very hard to run an efficient system when demand is really, acute. and the is really, really acute. and the system is running absolutely at the it can be, um, in the hottest. it can be, um, in fact, that create a great fact, that can create a great deal of waste because people are firefighting constantly . and firefighting constantly. and what we hear when we talk what we also hear when we talk to staff themselves is that it's very them to access in very hard for them to access in the system at the moment, small pots could pots of money that could just lubricate their to lubricate their attempts to do things slightly better, slightly differently and i think that's a challenge. um look, i think in lots of cases this is about

making sure there's, uh , if we making sure there's, uh, if we really want to get tough on waste, it's about making sure there money there are small pots of money that spend spend that we can spend today. spend smartly can deliver smartly, that can deliver returns tum . and returns in the long tum. and that's we've really failed returns in the long tum. and th.do we've really failed returns in the long tum. and th.do over we've really failed returns in the long tum. and th.do over the 've really failed returns in the long tum. and th.do over the 've r15lly failed returns in the long tum. and th.do over the 've r15 years. ad to do over the last 15 years. >> learning practice >> learning best practice between hospitals. between different hospitals. of course, thing. is course, that kind of thing. is it think, for a it time? do you think, for a royal commission on the nhs cross party? take the politics out whole altogether ? >> 7- >> no, i ?_ >> no, i mean 7_ >> no, i mean , 7 >> no, i mean , ultimately >> no, i mean, ultimately i think health is, is a political issue. >> health care is a political issue. um, and i think royal commissions, you know, they're very good at kind of broad brush, big reform ideas, reorganisations. but i'm not sure that's entirely what the nhs needs at the moment. i think what it genuinely needs is two things. it needs one someone to come and give power to those that know what to do, what they're , you know, kind of best they're, you know, kind of best practice looks like. and so, um, we have one of the most centralised nhs in the world devolving some of that power centralised nhs in the world devolvian some of that power centralised nhs in the world devolvian eminently1at power centralised nhs in the world devolvian eminently sensible' centralised nhs in the world devolvian eminently sensible idea seems an eminently sensible idea , but also for us to get a grip on the demand um, so on the demand issue. um, so one of the big challenges, the nhs is is that we have done

is facing is that we have done so little on prevention in the last ten years. um, that means that it's facing this rising tide demand that's really, tide of demand that's really, really . um, and so really difficult. um, and so a politician really wanted to get a on health care. well they a grip on health care. well they need to look at the health of the and that means the country and that means getting ideas out on getting kind of big ideas out on obesity, , on smoking. obesity, on alcohol, on smoking. we've that , of we've seen some of that, of course, on mouldy housing course, um, on mouldy housing and all these other things. >> these are new, new ideas. but the idea a leaky bucket, is the idea of a leaky bucket, is that unfair of wes that a bit unfair of wes streeting you get streeting or do you do you get what talking about? what he's talking about? >> no. >> em- em— >> i think the current situation, the evidence of our eyes, that lots of people eyes, is that lots of people will see paying more and will see we are paying more and more for nhs that more each year for an nhs that delivers less and less quality, and our estimates are that that will continue over the next ten years without intervention. and i don't think that's a good situation. it's good for the situation. it's not good for the nhs where staff are working under not good under pressure. it's not good for patients, it's not good for pubuc for patients, it's not good for public finances. think public finances. so i do think we a handle on that. we need to get a handle on that. but that's about getting prevention, right. about prevention, right. that's about long productivity. long terme productivity. um, really ?

really? >> okay. well, chris thomas from the , thank you for joining the ipp, thank you for joining us tonight on farage on gb news. now, nigel may be away, but that hasn't stopped the prime minister. yes the prime minister sending personalised sending him a personalised message by nigel. >> i just wanted to take a moment to wish you a very happy new year. now like you, i think immigration levels are too high. so i hope you know that today and every day throughout 2020 for whether i'm working in my office in downing street or at home in yorkshire, i will deliver for you. well nigel, if you were here today, we'd probably say about time, but i must clarify that this is actually one of the latest tory campaign ads from the party in which anyone can sign up for a message from rishi sunak by entering their own name for a personalised clip. >> guido fawkes, a political gossip website, did this for nigel and that was the result. now we tried christopher, which worked, but when it comes to bofis worked, but when it comes to boris , liz and keir , all we got

boris, liz and keir, all we got was a hi there from the pm now a tory party sources assure us these messages were not generated by artificial intelligence . rishi sunak really intelligence. rishi sunak really did record an entire database of names , but they won't tell us names, but they won't tell us how many are. now in a moment. this is an outright ban on vapes . the right way to tackle smoking. the who. the world health organisation, think so and wants the uk to adopt their recommendations. we'll debate that next. >> this is farage patrick christys tonight, nine till 11 pm. i speak to britain's strictest headteacher, catherine bubble , saying what happened on bubble, saying what happened on the day of the bomb threat. then? um well, well the day of the bomb threat. then? um well , well she the day of the bomb threat. then? um well, well she opens up about being taken to court for banning muslim prayer rooms. >> but i do think that if a school's ethos is such and building is such that they cannot have a prayer room, then they should be allowed to not have a prayer room. it's a landmark legal case that will have enormous ramifications on the future of britain. all of us

need to make sacrifices for the betterment of the whole. so that we can all get on is multicultural ism failing? >> find out on a special patrick christys tonight 9 to 11 pm. be

i >> welcome back to farage with me , christopher hope. now, me, christopher hope. now, despite studies claiming that vaping is 95% less harmful than smoking , the world health smoking, the world health organisation wants the same bans and regulations on devices as normal cigarettes. now, last week, a debate took place in westminster and one of those mps who spoke out against the who's proposals was adam afriyie, the tory mp for windsor. adam, welcome to farage on gb news. what are you calling for? well it's great to be here. >> i think what i'm calling for is, um, i don't know for the world health organisation , for world health organisation, for the framework convention on

tobacco control to actually be rational and reasonable . but rational and reasonable. but above all, look here in the uk we are just leading the world, okay? smoking rates were 82% back in the 1940s, to down 48, 42% approximately in the 70s. now we're to down like 12 or 13. we are leading the whole world and because of our the principle of harm reduction, you've got of harm reduction, if you've got one that's killing one product that's killing people a year and you've people 60,000 a year and you've got another product hasn't got another product that hasn't killed better killed anybody, you're better off encouraging are off encouraging people to, are they vapes? they harmful vapes? >> it's basically >> i mean, it's basically i don't i don't vape, it's steam, isn't pop that comes isn't it? the pop that comes out of mouth. isn't it? the pop that comes out of yeah,|outh. isn't it? the pop that comes out of yeah, absolutely. but >> yeah, absolutely. but according to the world health organisation, trying. according to the world health organthey're trying. according to the world health organthey're trying trying. according to the world health organthey're trying to rying. according to the world health organthey're trying to redefine well, they're trying to redefine steam . this how well, they're trying to redefine steanthe . this how well, they're trying to redefine steanthe policies this how well, they're trying to redefine steanthe policies thisso how crazy the policies are. so they're much anti—science, they're very much anti—science, anti—capitalist i'm anti—capitalist. and what i'm hoping that the, the cop ten hoping is that the, the cop ten is that actually the uk will take the lead and actually put forward policies have forward the policies which have been successful, have been successful, which have made britain in britain very successful in helping with smoking cessation britain very successful in helpintax,th smoking cessation britain very successful in helpintax, because,|g cessation britain very successful in helpintax, because, of :essation britain very successful in helpintax, because, of course»n britain very successful in helpintax, because, of course ,i about tax, because, of course, the treasury makes money on cigarettes. >> it's declining income >> it's a declining income source treasury. source for the treasury. perhaps they vapes more. they want to tax vapes more. yeah >> e we're probably at >> so i think we're probably at

peak from cigarettes. and peak tax from cigarettes. and as, smoking declines in as, as, as smoking declines in the down. but think the tax goes down. but i think look the industry everyone is open to you know, to an open to a, um, you know, to an excise duty and to a some form of tax on vaping at some point. and i think i think that's right. >> but you've spoken out , of >> but you've spoken out, of course, in the house on vaping, but you also also paid by elements of the vaping industry. you've got stakes a company. you've got stakes in a company. me wife's got stakes in me your wife's got stakes in a company. say that company. some would say that you're because you're saying this because you're saying this because you're paid by by the industry. >> yeah. never been i've >> yeah. i've never been i've never by industry. never been paid by the industry. okay believe okay good. don't don't believe everything read. everything that you read. >> has a in >> but your wife has a stake in the company the vapes. >> my is a private >> my wife is a private individual who does her own >> my wife is a private indivic but who does her own >> my wife is a private indivic but look, ioes her own >> my wife is a private indivicbut look, i've her own >> my wife is a private indivicbut look, i've been.vn >> my wife is a private indivicbut look, i've been. i've thing. but look, i've been. i've been vaping for about probably 16 years, probably the 16 years, probably one of the earliest um, earliest vapers in the uk. um, and always about and i've always spoken about vaping lives vaping because it's saving lives . and it seems to me that if we pursue the agenda of the who, then we will be killing people across the globe. and i very much hope that they embrace the uk agenda, saving lives i >> -- >> how are they are justifying it? it about throwing it? is it about the throwing away disposable is

away of disposable vapes? is that problem? no i think that the problem? no i think i think it that they seem think what it is that they seem there's seem to there's some they seem to believe is believe that the big tobacco is somehow now, um, manipulating people to become addicted to vaping when actually the evidence is pretty clear that what's happening is people are giving up smoking, which is killing replacing it killing them and replacing it with they like with vaping because they like smoking. nigel farage smoking. i mean, if nigel farage was here, have was sitting here, he'd have a more informed choice. was sitting here, he'd have a mo i informed choice. was sitting here, he'd have a mo i knowned choice. was sitting here, he'd have a mo i know ied choice. was sitting here, he'd have a mo i know ied cismoking, was sitting here, he'd have a moi know ied cismoking, was >> i know i was smoking, i was gonna have a go at him, encourage him to try vaping instead. um, so i think instead. but, um, no. so i think they're to say that they're trying to say that they're trying to say that they're and there they're equivalent and there should all to should be no harm at all to anybody but the anybody ever. but the interesting is at the interesting thing is at the moment say here that it's moment is we say here that it's 95% safer than smoking, but actually no evidence at actually there's no evidence at the moment at all that anyone has really ever been harmed from vaping. so i think you've got to look harm. are look at the relative harm. are you comfortable fruit flavours? >> mean, it's like the old >> i mean, it's like in the old days alcopops, didn't we? days with alcopops, didn't we? aiming of alcoholic aiming alcoholics of alcoholic lemonade children . i lemonade aimed at children. i mean, are like sweets mean, these are like sweets almost, aren't they? >> yeah. so i've at many >> yeah. so i've spoken at many conferences this and i've conferences on this and i've flown around world flown around the world just saying britain doing saying how well britain is doing this quite clearly

saying how well britain is doing this company quite clearly saying how well britain is doing this company that te clearly saying how well britain is doing this company that targets'ly any company that targets children, whether it's with the flavours, packaging or the flavours, the packaging or the marketing mean, it's marketing anyway, i mean, it's very, very bad behaviour. it has to stop. and i hope that in the regulation changes coming up that, will, that we that, that, that will, that we will that there no will do that, that there is no excuse marketing these excuse for marketing these things . things to children. >> full stop. good. while i've got here, ask got you here, i'll ask mark francois the rwanda bill. francois about the rwanda bill. i've got to ask you because of course, backed those course, you backed those amendments, the but course, you backed those ameryouents, the but course, you backed those ameryou bottled the but course, you backed those ameryou bottled tthe but course, you backed those ameryou bottled tthe finaljt then you bottled it at the final third can i say that? third reading. can i say that? and you and didn't. you and you and you didn't. you didn't the bill didn't vote against the bill even thought it even though you thought it wasn't . you abstained. >> i don't think anyone has ever accused any of accused me of having any form of cowardice, spartan cowardice, having been a spartan through brexit, of the through the brexit, one of the 25th spartans back in the votes for you. >> of course right. >> of course you're right. >> of course you're right. >> through the >> through the through the brexit no, but view brexit debates. no, but my view was backing those was that i was backing those amendments because they would have the bill work. in my have made the bill work. in my view, the view, i'm worried that the bill as not going to as it stands is not going to work. going embarrass as it stands is not going to worgovernment embarrass as it stands is not going to worgovernment if embarrass as it stands is not going to worgovernment if itmbarrass as it stands is not going to worgovernment if it actually the government if it actually gets through the lords and i think that would be a terrible place be. so but the place to be. so but once the amendments fallen and it's amendments had fallen and it's quite wasn't the will amendments had fallen and it's qu parliament, wasn't the will amendments had fallen and it's qu parliament, then n't the will amendments had fallen and it's qu parliament, then n'felte will

of parliament, then i felt i couldn't wholeheartedly the couldn't wholeheartedly back the bill. but but but bill. um, you know, but but but i going to stand in the i wasn't going to stand in the way. nothing. way. it's better than nothing. but it's good enough. way. it's better than nothing. but it's can good enough. way. it's better than nothing. but it's can youd enough. way. it's better than nothing. but it's can you look ugh. way. it's better than nothing. but it's can you look mark >> no. can you look mark francois in the eye? >> the of one of >> he was the coach of one of the two with you in the spartans. two with you in 2019. but actually vote. 2019. but he actually did vote. go the no lobby go through the no lobby this time, didn't he? >> each mp has to >> yeah, well, each mp has to make up their own mind. i think he very, very much committed make up their own mind. i think hethose'ery, very much committed make up their own mind. i think hethose amendments h committed make up their own mind. i think hethose amendments and mmitted make up their own mind. i think hethose amendments and felt tted to those amendments and felt very them. i felt very strongly about them. i felt very strongly about them. i felt very strongly about them. i felt very strongly about them. but my judgement better judgement is that we're better to the statute to have a bill on the statute books may work. um rather books that may work. um rather than all. than no bill at all. >> and it work? will you >> and will it work? will you bet a pint of beer? oh, bet me a pint of beer? oh, christopher, i bet you a pint been >> do you know? you know? >> do you know? do you know? i don't know, and it's many don't know, and it's in many ways, of lords ways, if the house of lords plays silly buggers and holds it up, maybe we'll have to go up, then maybe we'll have to go to election saying that we're to an election saying that we're going it through. going to bring it through. >> thank for >> well, alan, thank you for joining us today on farage and gb news. >> w- e wasn't here for >> i'm sorry i wasn't here for you, i'm before go. you, but i'm here before i go. a reminder that tomorrow, from tomorrow midday, you can watch my show on news with my new pmqs show on gb news with a gloria de piero where a glorious gloria de piero where we'll best reaction we'll give you the best reaction live starmer live to sunak versus starmer around as they try to get one

around 94 as they try to get one up each in house up on each other in the house of commons. man commons. but up next, the man himself, jacob rees—mogg. jacob, what's um, well, what's on your show? um, well, i'm going to be talking about their lordships and what they're doing, constitutionally. and vernon bogdanor, constitutionally. vernon vernon bogdanor, constitutionally. vernon bogdanor on bogdanor, constitutionally. vernon bogdanor comingianor, constitutionally. vernon bogdanor coming on, r, sir vernon bogdanor coming on, who absolute expert on who is the absolute expert on the constitution. i don't think there's in the country there's anybody in the country who more about the who knows more about the constitution than vernon. >> he's not lord yet i >> -- >> he isa >> he is a knight. he is a knight very distinguished knight to. but i'm looking forward to talking him because talking about him because they used constitutional reform used the constitutional reform act of 2010 for the first time yesterday to try and stop a treaty . and i think that's very treaty. and i think that's very interesting constitutionally , interesting constitutionally, but it's also the overreach of the house of lords. is this peers against the people round 27. >> they're doing their job, aren't they? you're a constitutional expert. they're revising the well, that's the that's discussion we're that's the discussion we're going be having. going to be having. >> you're going to >> so you're going to have to tune in listen to find out tune in and listen to find out whether behaving well whether they're behaving well or badly . badly. >> there en“ >> well, there we have it. uh, jacob will tuning jacob rees—mogg will be tuning into show. and thank you into your show. and thank you for watching, uh, forjoining us and watching, uh, me, christopher our me, christopher hope, our

political editor here, uh, for nigel farage. but first up, here comes looks like comes the weather. looks like things are heating up . things are heating up. >> boxt boilers spot of weather on gb news is . on gb news is. >> hello? it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast storm. jocelyn sweeps through overnight. increasingly windy with heavy showers. for many of us, although the wettest weather carried through on tuesday , it carried through on tuesday, it is now clearing to showers and some longer spells of rain in the far northwest. it is in the far northwest, where the strongest of the winds will be, and for many parts of the uk we'll see wind gusts of 50 miles an hour 65 near coasts. but for the north and west of scotland, that's where got an amber that's where we've got an amber warning, because overnight winds will 70 80 miles will gust up to 70 or 80 miles an it's a bit more of an hour. yes it's a bit more of an hour. yes it's a bit more of a normal winter storm compared with the clearer with storm isha, but the clearer operation continues operation still continues with asia. storm jocelyn could asia. so storm jocelyn could lead to considerable further impacts as we start wednesday,

there'll be some bright weather around . it will still be around. it will still be blustery. they'll still be quite a number of showers across scotland and northern ireland. however even in between these showers there'll be some brighter interludes . and further brighter interludes. and further south we'll keep the sunshine going in many places until later in a mild day to come, in the day. a mild day to come, although perhaps not feeling so pleasant with the gusty winds continuing and into the start of thursday, rain moves up from the southwest, dull and damp day for many. we cling on to the brightness in the far northeast until lunchtime, but it's going to be, well, cloudy with outbreaks rain for many outbreaks of rain for many places again, and then the places once again, and then the wind picks up another blustery day to on friday. although day to come on friday. although plenty of sunshine around day to come on friday. although plenty unsettled e around day to come on friday. although plenty unsettled weather this further unsettled weather this weekend. a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation. tonight the peers, their lordships against the people resumes over the safety of rwanda bill as the unelected upper chamber takes its first blow to the prime minister's plan to make the deportation scheme effective. but is the lords overreaching its legitimate authority? meanwhile in the treasury, some good news could be on the horizon as government borrowing fell below expectations, with £20 billion worth of room for tax cuts on the table. however a leaked government report has advised the uk needs more immigration to grow the economy as his majesty the king is told by the queen to slow down amid his health concerns . slow down amid his health concerns. i'll be asking if slow down amid his health concerns . i'll be asking if the concerns. i'll be asking if the king is simply working too hard and as ever , to my cherished and as ever, to my cherished viewers in scunthorpe and the wider county of lincolnshire , wider county of lincolnshire, don't forget to head over to gbnews.com because state of the nafion gbnews.com because state of the nation is heading to you away from the westminster bubble next