good evening i >> -- >> good to be back now is sir simon clarke right when he says if rishi sunak stays on as pm and leader of the tory party. but they are headed for electoral catastrophe, we'll also look at the migration advisory committee , the great advisory committee, the great and the good, who are now telling us that anybody that crosses english channel, who crosses the english channel, who has waited six months for an application, should be able to work . we'll have look at new work. we'll have a look at new hampshire, trump scores hampshire, where trump scores another extraordinary victory. yet nikki haley says she's staying in the race. i can't quite out why. and are we quite work out why. and are we seriously considering a return to conscription if hostilities break out with russia, would people really join.7 would it include women? more people really join? would it include women? more questions, i think with that than answers . think with that than answers. but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst .

middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you and good evening to you. well, sir keir starmer claimed rishi sunak was being bullied by his own mps today, with prime minister's questions dominated by accusations tory infighting. accusations of tory infighting. that's after sir simon clarke wrote in the daily telegraph warning of an electoral massacre for the party. unless there was a change of leader. the prime minister rebuffed the criticism, saying labour doesn't understand britain's values. sir keir said the infighting had descended into a soap opera, saying this story time and time again with this lot party first, country second, safely ensconced in westminster, they get down to the real business of fighting each other to death. >> the country forced to endure their division and chaos. the longest episode of eastenders ever put to film. >> you can see exactly why hizb ut—tahrir hired him in the first place, but he wants to talk about these things. even his own

party are now realising that he simply doesn't have a plan for this country . simply doesn't have a plan for this country. mr simply doesn't have a plan for this country . mr speaker, the this country. mr speaker, the member for dagenham and rainham said it's difficult to identify the purpose of his leadership and long time and long time celebrity backer steve coogan recently said he licks his finger, sticks it in the air and just sees which way the wind is blowing. >> rishi sunak, now judge , has >> rishi sunak, now judge, has been urged not to pass a whole life order on the man who stabbed three people to death in nottingham. waldo kalakani pleaded guilty to manslaughter by diminished responsibility for killing students barnaby weber and grayson ali kumar, as well as caretaker ian coates in june last year. the 32 year old also admitted trying to murder three pedestrians who were hit by a van on the morning of the attacks. sentencing began today and will conclude tomorrow , the and will conclude tomorrow, the government says it is committed to postal delivery six days a week, despite a new report by ofcom suggesting some days could be cut to save costs. number 10

says the government will engage with the options outlined by the regulator, but insist deliveries on saturdays will stay . ofcom on saturdays will stay. ofcom says it's vital the postal service is modernised to meet the evolving needs of consumers . the evolving needs of consumers. other options include slowing down deliveries with letters arriving three or more days after they're posted . as you've after they're posted. as you've been hearing in the united states, donald trump swept to victory in the new hampshire primaries overnight, leaving his challenger, nikki haley , with challenger, nikki haley, with few paths to the white house the former president took just under 55% of the vote. president joe biden securing a comfortable win for the democrats. but mr trump could be in for an uphill battle despite strong support among the hard right, he's still facing 931 criminal charges , and here 931 criminal charges, and here councils are set to receive a £600 million boost, 500 of which will be used to support social care. it comes after mps called for a funding boost for

struggling councils on the brink of bankruptcy. the money will initially be used for children's and adult social care over the next 18 months, but reports suggest many councils believe the funding will only prevent a financial crisis in the short tum . and that's the news on gb tum. and that's the news on gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker. this is britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> good evening . the ability of >> good evening. the ability of the conservative party to self—abort us knows no bounds. they've been putting putting us through it for what looks like years and the latest bombshell to came late last night. to hit came late last night. simon clarke , a former cabinet simon clarke, a former cabinet minister writing a piece in the daily telegraph and one of the things he says is the unvarnished truth is that rishi sunakis unvarnished truth is that rishi sunak is leading the conservatives into an election

where we will be massacred . where we will be massacred. well, if that wasn't bad enough , well, if that wasn't bad enough, he added a couple of paragraphs later. if nigel farage returns to the fray as looks increasingly likely extinction is a very real possibility for our party now . now, if you look our party now. now, if you look at rishi sunak's personal ratings , you'll find they are ratings, you'll find they are now dire. in fact, it is a pretty extraordinary state of affairs . when my personal affairs. when my personal approval rating with 2019 conservative voters is literally double that of the prime minister, and i haven't even been a member of the for party 30 years, which shows you just how much trouble they're in. so my question to you, the audience at home is sir simon clarke, right ? is he right that staying right? is he right that staying on with sunak means inevitable electoral disaster for the

conservatives i want your thoughts on that. please farage gb news. com however, there is a practical problem here. you see, it's all well and good for david davis to come out and for priti patel to come out and say, look, you know, stop being silly, grow up, stop being self—indulgent , up, stop being self—indulgent, get behind the leader. but privately they must know themselves . they must know themselves. they must know themselves. they must know themselves that things are going terribly, terribly wrong . and terribly, terribly wrong. and then we've got lord frost and this extraordinary operation where a series of polls are being carried out. no one quite knows who's funding them. but poll after poll pointing to electoral disaster, even one poll out today suggesting that a new leader who pursued generally populist conservative policies could even win in the next election. so there is a bit of a plot afoot to get rid of sunak. but i wonder whether anybody else will break cover in the way that simon clarke has. i'm not sure at this stage actually,

that they . will and can we put that they. will and can we put up with another leadership election ? can we put up with yet election? can we put up with yet another former conservative prime minister would it make them look a complete and utter laughing stock? well, i don't quite know the answer to that. what i do know is i believe that simon clarke is right. i think rishi sunak, he might be very goodif rishi sunak, he might be very good if he was your family accountant or working in the company looking after the books, he might be quite reliable. i don't doubt for a minute that he's honest and decent . i don't he's honest and decent. i don't doubt any of those things. i also if intellectually also think if intellectually he's probably in iq terms , he's he's probably in iq terms, he's the brightest prime minister we've had for some considerable penod we've had for some considerable period of time, but he doesn't connect with ordinary people in any way at all. whether it's not knowing how to use a credit card to tap at a petrol station, whether it's walking into a pub

and pretending to have a drink with the locals , he just doesn't with the locals, he just doesn't do ordinary folk. he can't mix with them, he can't speak to them , he can't connect with them them, he can't connect with them and with him. the red wall is completely and utterly gone. and that's without even discussing where he stands on policy and the endless false promises he keeps making to the electorate . keeps making to the electorate. i think simon clarke is right. i think under him they are headed for electoral disaster. well, i'm joined by david maddox, political editor of the express online and indeed by henry hill, deputy editor of conservative home. henry you know, you are very, very close to the pulse . very, very close to the pulse. the thought process of those to whom the conservative party really matters . they are headed really matters. they are headed for disaster, aren't they ? for disaster, aren't they? >> oh, yeah. absolutely. if you look at the polls, you know, you have to go back, i think, to 20, 21 to find a poll where they were ahead. you have to go back

to autumn 22 to find a poll where they only a single where they were only a single single digits behind, know, where they were only a single singtheygits behind, know, where they were only a single singthey now)ehind, know, where they were only a single singthey now havei, know, where they were only a single singthey now have less know, where they were only a single singthey now have less than w, and they now have less than a year to go until the election. the number 10 hopes there will be narrowing over the be some narrowing over the course of the year, and you can sort see you over sort of see why, you know, over the summer there'll be less pressure fuel bills, there'll pressure on fuel bills, there'll be pressure on the nhs, the be less pressure on the nhs, the red sea, yeah. this red sea, maybe. yeah. well this is so they hope is it. so, so, so they hope things will recover a bit. but from here there's nothing in recent history recent british history to suggest win. the only, suggest you can win. the only, i think the only poll rating i can think the only poll rating i can think that think of that's collapsed that much may's in 2017, much was theresa may's in 2017, where she one was 20 where she at one point was 20 leading labour 2050 points to 25. but that's kind of 25. but but that's a kind of mistake. the government can mistake. only the government can make. so keir starmer has make. and so keir starmer has shown no sign that he's going to do brave as do anything remotely as brave as trying of fix social trying to sort of fix social care. so they are cruising care. so no, they are cruising for an election disaster. >> david maddox, you know, your readers, is the most brexit newspaper. yeah. um very, very they want you to come back. well, no, that's interesting. they do. but i mean, having said

that , you know, your they do. but i mean, having said that, you know, your readers overwhelm . hinckley voted for overwhelm. hinckley voted for bofis overwhelm. hinckley voted for boris johnson in 2019. how great is the sense of disenchantment ? is the sense of disenchantment? >> well, i know you slightly disagree with me on this, but i think that we will look back in not so long time after the inevitable conservative disaster that's coming down the road . that's coming down the road. >> uh, and realise that the ousting of boris johnson was a historic mistake. as far as the conservative party was concerned, yes, they were slightly behind in the polls, five points behind in the polls. but it was the only person who could connect with the new voting base. he was the only one with the charisma to take them forward. and yes, there may well have lost , forward. and yes, there may well have lost, but forward. and yes, there may well have lost , but they certainly, have lost, but they certainly, you know, we're looking at, um, that infamous canada result proportions. things really go proportions. if things really go wrong, you know. >> well, canada, of course, for those that don't know, 30 years ago with a first past the ago canada with a first past the post electoral system , um, post electoral system, um, actually saw the conservative, the governing conservative party reduced to two seats.

>> two seats. memory serves me correctly replaced by, correctly to be replaced by, oddly, a party called reform. yes. um difficult to see a size a change that seismic going on. >> well, you say that , i mean, >> well, you say that, i mean, but if support for reform continues to grow, i mean, i, i'm not just saying this because i'm not just saying this because i'm on your show, but if you come back , uh, and the come back, uh, and the conservatives fail to move the dial in any respect on policies and things , but, you know, and things, but, you know, they're going to try and tuck a few tax cuts. but will it be enough then, you know, you can see their vote dropping to the high teens reforms going to mid to late teens as well. and that's enough to squeeze. i mean, i look at the polls, i'm sure henry does as well. week in week out. we can see that , you week out. we can see that, you know, less than half the 2019 conservative voters would still vote conservative again . and vote conservative again. and that, you know, 1 in 20 of those voters who got that record majority are staying at home or

supporting reform. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> would it be credible , henry? >> would it be credible, henry? would it be credible to have yet another leader or is it or is clark right in saying, i mean, he spoke to the bbc today. he said, look, the chap that shouts iceberg is never very popular. but it doesn't mean that it's the wrong thing to do. and i kind of got the logic of what he was saying there. but i mean, would the public put up with yet another change of prime minister incidentally, a prime minister they haven't voted for? they haven't actually voted for? >> i mean, there would be >> well, i mean, there would be enormous pressure on that new prime they enormous pressure on that new primeto they enormous pressure on that new primeto have they enormous pressure on that new primeto have an they enormous pressure on that new primeto have an early they enormous pressure on that new primeto have an early election, were, to have an early election, which i don't think any tory mps want. and i think that's one of the sir simon clark the reasons that sir simon clark is quite a lonely is currently in quite a lonely position out in his foxhole. but but the problem the conservatives is that conservatives have is that there's no prince or princess over with a plan, with over the water with a plan, with a vision, with strategy. who's a vision, with a strategy. who's waiting take over. right. so waiting to take over. right. so what is what sir simon is proposing is basically hit change basically to just hit the change button and then what button and then see what happens. that means you have happens. and that means you have to leadership contest to have a leadership contest with was brutal

with all that. that was brutal for the conservative party last time when truss versus time when it was truss versus sunak, process. and at sunak, a hideous process. and at the of that, have the end of that, you have someone else. you still have a divided they don't divided party. they still don't have the authority impose have the authority to impose their electorate. their will on the electorate. and of sort and most of the sort of insuperable problems that britain that britain is facing that have built over 14 years and built up over the 14 years and indeed longer over the 14 indeed longer over the last 14 years, are still there, right? you can't fix the housing crisis meaningfully if in months. meaningfully if in six months. no, sure, can't. no, sure, you can't. >> get that , but it's >> so sure, i get that, but it's about the outward projection of what as a i mean, what you are as a party. i mean, right the minute there are right at the minute there are broad no religion. broad churchmen, no religion. that's them now. musa that's how i put them now. musa qala liz truss qala february liz truss is having event. be having an event. there'll be other senior conservative figures there. it's the launch of concept of popular of this new concept of popular conservative ism. is this is this something that may be after the election becomes a new way for the party? potentially. >> that's what's really going on, i think, is that after the election, there's going be election, there's going to be a huge, within the huge, huge battle within the conservative explain conservative party to explain the explain why, the defeat, to explain why, after the last 14 years, the party, the country hasn't moved in conservative in a more conservative direction. the direction. you've got the new conservatives kruger conservatives under danny kruger

and you've now got and miriam cates. you've now got the popular conservatives, the one will their one nation group will have their own is to own answers and that is going to be absolutely fascinating. but that's for after election. that's for after the election. that's not a discussion about how somehow win a fifth time how you somehow win a fifth time in october 2024. i don't think that's doable . that's doable. >> well, it's just not going to happen. no, no, no, i have to say, you know, when i hear the deputy editor of conservative home putting terms as home putting things in terms as bleak as that, i mean, um, it's quite telling, david, it? quite telling, david, isn't it? >> disagree in the >> slightly disagree in the sense there sense i do think there are potential there with potential leaders there with alternative views. you alternative views. i mean, you know, suella braverman is one one of them. and she does have a fairly clear idea of what she would do. the problem is , the would do. the problem is, the vast majority of the parliamentary party, not the membership of the party, parliamentary party, don't like it and won't, uh , won't sort of it and won't, uh, won't sort of abide with that sort of view. you know, they don't want to leave the echr. they're quite globalist in their viewpoints, you know , and this is a you you know, and this is a you know, and the problem going forward for conservative party is probably the one nation mps

on the left who have wrecked the last 14 years are the ones who are probably going to survive this disaster. and because the red wallers that will lose their seats, isn't it? >> yeah, well, the red walls will lose brexiteers that will lose their seats. the red wallers for starters. there's an awful others. i think one awful lot of others. i think one of things that's really of the things that's really spooking conservatives spooking the conservatives is also you know, also the blue wall. you know, all those historically safe all of those historically safe conservative seats been tory for 100 looking 100 years now, looking vulnerable. yeah. >> that's interesting >> well that's interesting because for the third pmqs in a row, sir ed davey, leader row, sir ed davey, the leader of the in the liberal democrats, wasn't in the liberal democrats, wasn't in the get the the chamber. do you get the feeling a stronger liberal feeling of a stronger liberal democrat leader? in democrat leader? they'd be in even more trouble. oh, yeah. democrat leader? they'd be in eveabsolutely. ble. oh, yeah. democrat leader? they'd be in eveabsolutely. there's yeah. democrat leader? they'd be in eveabsolutely. there's a eah. democrat leader? they'd be in eveabsolutely. there's a lot. democrat leader? they'd be in eveabsolutely. there's a lot of >> absolutely. there's a lot of seats simply aren't seats where labour simply aren't competitive south west competitive in the south west and the home counties, where the liberal democrats have always been the kind been in modern history, the kind of option somerset, of left wing option somerset, surrey. yeah. lib dems surrey. yeah. and the lib dems were incredibly strong. were looking incredibly strong. they opened their local government my my government campaign in my in my hometown, government campaign in my in my homet0\tanks on tory lawns. and parking tanks on tory lawns. and then all a sudden ed then all of a sudden sir ed davey into because davey goes into hiding because of postmasters scandal. of the postmasters scandal. i think that's a they'll probably

be some tory mps the autumn, be some tory mps in the autumn, if on by the skin of if they hold on by the skin of their will have that their teeth, who will have that to for to thank for it? >> well, they do have somebody ready to replace him in daisy cooper there could cooper and i think there could be problems if they be in serious problems if they do actually make that switch. >> david's position in >> is david's position in in peril davis's position in peril? >> i think it is. >> i think it is. >> yes, i think it is imminently. >> i it's difficult to tell with the lib dems because they're such a small, tight knit group. >> but i think it is. and there's a lot of talk about daisy cooper being, uh, brought to in replace him now. and, uh, you know, and actually a lot of conservative mps the south conservative mps from the south are worried about that. conservative mps from the south are quite 'ried about that. conservative mps from the south are quite like about that. conservative mps from the south are quite like ed)ut that. conservative mps from the south are quite like ed daveyt. conservative mps from the south are quite like ed davey to they'd quite like ed davey to stay so, interesting. stay so, so interesting. >> interesting, gentlemen. thank stay so, so interesting. >> iwell;ting, gentlemen. thank stay so, so interesting. >> iwell there gentlemen. thank stay so, so interesting. >> iwell there we tlemen. thank stay so, so interesting. >> iwell there we are,ien. thank you. well there we are, conservatives in dire trouble. what do they stand for? what do they believe in? pretty much nothing. uh, an attempt on every issue by sunak to spin. but none of it ever really seems to work now. we learned last week, to our shock, that there were people coming across the english channel being allowed to work as

a result of a piece of eu law dating back to 2005. now, the great and the good of the migration advisory committee are suggesting that anyone that's been here for six months and waiting for an asylum claim should be able to work in virtually any other sector. and what's amazed me are the number of people in civil society who seem to think this is a good idea. after all, it would do, in my view, is encourage even more to come in a moment. spirited debate on that very subject .

radio. what are your thoughts at home? >> is simon clarke right when he says if rishi stays on as pm, they are headed for electoral catastrophe? jackie says yes. if rishi is pm, the conservatives will be wiped out. we hate backstabbers and will not vote

for them . jackie, backstabbers and will not vote for them .jackie, i suspect very for them. jackie, i suspect very much a boris loyalist from a tone of that message, terry says it does not matter who the tories put in. they are toast. they have led our country down and lied. i think that last word , terry. it's a very, very strong word and it's not one we use a lot in british politics, but i think there is a sense, i think there is a feeling that that 2019 manifesto was telling a brexit voting public what they wanted to hear without ever genuinely wanting to carry it out. and judy says , what's the out. and judy says, what's the lose at this point ? it might as lose at this point? it might as well have a final throw of the dice before the election. well, that's kind of i think what simon clarke is saying now, last week, the story broke that up to 16,000 people who'd illegally entered the country had been working, and it all went back to a 2005 european union directive that, in fact overrode what the blair government at the time wanted . that's my understanding

wanted. that's my understanding of it. and this all came out through an foi that had been put in by the telegraph newspapers , in by the telegraph newspapers, and i thought there was going to be a considerable degree of outrage over it. but no, no, no, far from it. the migration advisory committee, who we're told are an independent, non—statutory, not non—time, limited non—departmental departmental public body , but of departmental public body, but of course , uh, who are appointed by course, uh, who are appointed by the office for public appointments. so all part of the blob a cynic would say they suddenly think it's a terribly goodidea suddenly think it's a terribly good idea that anybody that's been for here six months or more waiting for their asylum application should be able to work in any sector of the british economy that has job shortages now , to me, this would shortages now, to me, this would be the legitimisation of coming into the united kingdom by illegal means. it's the kind of thing that gets proposed in america and indeed certain

american states do have amnesty for those that have come illegally . and all you do, if illegally. and all you do, if you if you go down that route, all you do in my opinion, is you encourage more people to come illegally. but it is a very, very contentious topic and certainly it is one that is worthy of debate . i'm joined by worthy of debate. i'm joined by maxwell marlowe research director for the adam smith institute, and fadi farhat , a institute, and fadi farhat, a senior legal consultant at gulbenkian andonian solicitors. maxwell i mean, you know, you're very much a free marketeer at the adam smith institute . um, i the adam smith institute. um, i mean, do you think this would be a good thing in economic terms? >> i would say so. um, there's a lot of data to show that actually allowing, uh, asylum seekers , legal immigrants in seekers, legal immigrants in many ways to work is an excellent thing to do . smf, for excellent thing to do. smf, for example, put out a study £1.8 billion gdp growth. if this is the case, are gdp growth . the case, are gdp growth. >> is that all that matters to you people? >> it certainly doesn't know,

because i do think there are cultural problems that aren't factored in. we do need to factored in. and we do need to be very conscious of that. however, nigel, your point however, nigel, to your point about, legitimise and about, would this legitimise and bnng about, would this legitimise and bring over, there is bring more people over, there is no support this. and no evidence to support this. and now producer in now when your producer got in touch me to come on here touch with me to come on here earlier, long time earlier, i spent a long time looking at it. i couldn't find a drop, unfortunately. in fact, the oecd come out and said the oecd has come out and said illegal work encourages illegal immigration. illegal work encourages illegal immingour1. illegal work encourages illegal immingour borders, which i control our borders, which i think we should and the home think we should do, and the home office is terrible at doing, we should people to work should allow people to work legally we can control them legally so we can control them and see they're doing. and see what they're doing. >> i see, so you a >> i see, so you pay a trafficker, a criminal trafficker, a criminal trafficker cross channel. trafficker to cross the channel. you up an a four star hotel you put up an a four star hotel and can work . oh, you put up an a four star hotel and can work. oh, i think and you can work. oh, i think they should. and that won't encourage no. they should. and that won't encwell,e no. they should. and that won't encwell, there's no. they should. and that won't encwell, there's no no. they should. and that won't encwell, there's no evidence to >> well, there's no evidence to suggest don't think it suggest it, but i don't think it should happen. think should should happen. i think we should be clear on that. i know we be very clear on that. i know we need to control our borders. we're sovereign nation, we're a sovereign nation, especially or so especially after brexit, or so we're but down to the we're told. but it's down to the home and the asi have home office and the asi have been very clear. we need to break up the home office because

it job. bad it is bad at its job. it's bad at processing, it's bad at controlling the border. it's bad at, you know, permitting legal immigration by permitting more illegal immigration by permitting more il serious problem. and no wonder a serious problem. and no wonder the conservatives in the the conservatives are in the toilet the polls. toilet on the polls. >> about it from a legal >> i worry about it from a legal perspective of, as say, my perspective of, as i say, my understanding of it is that it was an eu directive back in 2005 that said, in certain circles , that said, in certain circles, instances in certain sectors , instances in certain sectors, people who are waiting for their asylum claims could work . people who are waiting for their asylum claims could work. i mean, is this now about to become a free for all? >> so, um, you're right. um, there was a supreme court case in 2010 called z—o somalia . so in 2010 called z—o somalia. so it went all the way to the supreme court. and what the supreme court. and what the supreme court. and what the supreme court said is that if you if the home office is going to delay applications and if applications are going to be delayed for 12 months, which they normally are, yes, then asylum seekers cannot just cannot be left in limbo. they should have the right to work because the reception directive referred to having a dignified standard of living and therefore

, um, they should. asylum seekers who have to wait for that long should be should have the benefit of assimilating and having certain jobs. the benefit of assimilating and having certain jobs . um, now, of having certain jobs. um, now, of course, the reception directive is being eu law is no longer there. wow. well no. >> and yet, i mean, you mentioned a moment ago, maxwell, you said that we're living in brexit britain. it doesn't feel like it, does it? when it comes to borders, when it comes to legal migration , the numbers are legal migration, the numbers are running at absolutely record levels. and the argument that gets put is, oh, well, it's okay because it's good for gdp and we saw a leaked report yesterday from the treasury suggesting that actually tax cuts. oh yes, would spur growth . yeah. would spur growth. yeah. >> well this is continued immigration was and this is why i'm surprised . i'm surprised. >> and this is why i'm surprised that you think there are circumstances in which this might make sense. >> well , i might make sense. >> well, i only think it makes sense insofar as we can keep an eye on the illegal immigrants who over because the who come over because what the concern if concern is, essentially is if they over illegally, then

they come over illegally, then you a track them. you can't keep a track of them. it's the same with, you know, as i'm sure we've debated before, you know, example, banning you know, for example, banning cigarettes, for example, it just goes the black market. it's goes into the black market. it's controlled by criminals, as you made point with human made the point with human traffickers. it's not done under the you know, the guise of legal or, you know, um, safe means of migration. i think if if you permit legal think if you if you permit legal , uh, oversight over work, then you can permit legal oversight of i think that's a of migration. i think that's a really constructive way of doing it . however, must be it. however, we must be concerned about the numbers of crossings that come over. not just because of the human problems. know, deaths problems. you know, the deaths in example , in the channel, for example, which is very, very sad. but because can't control our own because we can't control our own borders. nigel the borders. nigel and here's the thing. eu , we thing. since leaving the eu, we were promised, you more were promised, you know, more control. is it? control. where is it? >> yeah. mean, >> yeah. no, no, i mean, you know, and made the point know, and you made the point a moment ago. that's why the conservatives are in as deeper trouble as they are, because people a breach people see this as a breach of faith. when was faith. and indeed, when i was reading the messages before reading out the messages before we debate, you know, we had this debate, you know, i made point that, you know, made the point that, you know, people feel they've been lied to. absolutely. you know, you know, big promises

to. absolutely. you know, you know, that big promises to. absolutely. you know, you know, that big we're ses to. absolutely. you know, you know, that big we're going to made that somehow we're going to solve the whole problem. and it looks worse than it looks to be even worse than it was america. we have this was in america. we have this concept of sanctuary cities. we have amnesties . indeed, when have amnesties. indeed, when bofis have amnesties. indeed, when boris was was mayor of boris johnson was was mayor of london, he actually supported the of amnesties for those the idea of amnesties for those that had come illegally. do you think ? i mean, you know what has think? i mean, you know what has been put out by the migration advisory committee? do you think under a labour government this will become policy? under a labour government this will icouldn't)olicy? under a labour government this will icouldn't possibly >> i couldn't possibly say, because are so quiet because labour are so quiet about what their policy is going to don't them to be. and i don't blame them because tories are doing the because the tories are doing the politics them this point. politics for them at this point. you reason you know, there's a reason they're far ahead in the they're so far ahead in the polls. i comment, i'm not polls. i can't comment, i'm not sure don't have the evidence, sure i don't have the evidence, but the evidence for but i do have the evidence for essentially is saying that if we permit leave employment, permit leave full employment, then we can indeed control the legal concern , legal immigration. my concern, as before, i'll say it as i've said before, i'll say it again. home are bad again. the home office are bad at their job. at doing their job. >> office are bad doing >> home office are bad at doing everything. doing everything. bad of doing everything. bad of doing everything. maxwell, thank you. and i'm sorry. we've had and fadi. i'm sorry. we've had microphone problems, i'm microphone problems, which i'm embarrassed about. you're a

regular this show, and regular guest on this show, and we love your contribution. it's just not working this evening. we love your contribution. it's just i'm working this evening. we love your contribution. it's just i'm embarrassedevening. we love your contribution. it's just i'm embarrassed about g. we love your contribution. it's just i'm embarrassed about that. and i'm embarrassed about that. but you on again. but we'll have you on again. very soon. in a moment very very soon. in a moment we'll have look at what we'll have a look at what happened new hampshire last happened in new hampshire last night. iowa witnessing night. i was in iowa witnessing the victory. the extraordinary trump victory. well i've got to tell you, in new hampshire, a pretty liberal state, another big win. state, it was another big win. yet haley , despite yet nikki haley, despite trailing hugely , appears to want trailing hugely, appears to want to stay in the race. is this just the most enormous wave out of time and money or does she think that trump might have 1 or 2 legal slips between now and the convention in july

radio. for depher is back with me and microphone working party. >> i was making the point that that people coming into the country , you know, on the back country, you know, on the back of lorries or across the channel some have been allowed to work under a 2005 eu directive, but this was all tested at the

supreme court, wasn't it? >> yes. so the supreme court in 2010 heard a case called z—o somalia and it decided by reference to the reception directive, which was eu law, that , um, if directive, which was eu law, that, um, if the home office is going to delay applications or not, make a decision on asylum applications for 12 months or more, then asylum seekers should have the benefit of working by reference to what what the directive called dignified standard of living . standard of living. >> but that was an eu directive . >> but that was an eu directive. so yes, we're now a brexit nafion so yes, we're now a brexit nation , so we could choose to nation, so we could choose to change that law or disregard that law. yes. >> so the home office implemented that judgement by reference the reception reference to the reception directive in a home office policy. it's currently in paragraph the immigration paragraph 360 of the immigration rules . so i believe you. so that rules. so i believe you. so that could but i suppose could be changed. but i suppose the wider argument is now not just legal, but perhaps the economic argument and as maxwell pointed out, there are competing economic arguments or , or as to economic arguments or, or as to as to whether this could could

be beneficial or not. >> i'm sure there are lots of employers who would say, this is marvellous, we don't need to pay anybody above minimum wage. we can down, you know, the can drive down, you know, the price the price of labour in the marketplace. my concern is it would lead to more people being directly to come directly incentivised to come into the country legally . into the country legally. there's nothing through echr etc. that would interfere with this . this. >> uh, not directly. >> uh, not directly. >> you would have to do so. the reception directive was quite explicit. yeah, well, we can deal with that so that. yes. and the 1951 refugee convention doesn't actually have a right to work for asylum seekers. it's only at a stage when they're recognised as refugees that there is a right to work. but that's when they've been given. that's they've been that's when they've been given refugee terms of refugee status. um, in terms of the echr, i would i would suspect that if there were to be a very long period of delay , it a very long period of delay, it might to more 12 might need to be more than 12 months. yeah. so never mind months. yeah. um, so never mind the six months that currently is being proposed, but it would probably months or probably need to be 12 months or more, proposal, more, not the current proposal,

which economic proposal. which is an economic proposal. >> this an area where >> i think this is an area where we're not hemmed in by echr. we're not hemmed in, as you say, with the 51, uh, know , agreement. >> if we are, it's not evident . >> if we are, it's not evident. it's not, it's not it it's not, it's not, it's not it doesn't fly off the page as such. >> we can deal with this ourselves. we're just not really doing it. thank you very much indeed, fadi, forjoining us. now, last night in new hampshire, another victory for donald was never donald trump this was never going be as iowa. going to be as easy as iowa. here he his mini victory here he was in his mini victory speech. >> you know, we won new hampshire three times now three three. we win it every time we win the primary, we win the generals. we've won it. and it's a very, very special place. to me. it's very important . what a me. it's very important. what a very happy donald trump and nikki haley despite being ten points behind. >> well, i guess that's less than 30 as it was in iowa but still seem keen to fight on falling all over themselves , falling all over themselves, saying this race is over. >> well, i have for news all of

them who new hampshire is first in the nation. it is not the last in the nation . this race is last in the nation. this race is far from over. there are dozens of states left to go . of states left to go. >> well, i'm struggling to understand this because the next primary will take place in her home state, where she was governor of south carolina on the 24th of february. and at the moment, she's 30 points behind. who wants to be electorally humiliated in their own backyard? i don't get it. but maybe lynn paton, senior adviser to donald trump for his 2024 presidential campaign, lynn, maybe you can explain to me the logic that was on display from nikki haley last night. >> you know, nigel, i wish i could, but, you know, it's inexplicable. donald trump is the undisputed king of the republican party. he trounced ron desantis by 30 points in iowa. i know you were there. he

just defeated nikki haley in new hampshire, who outspent him 2 to 1. um and beat her formidably by 11 points. you know , we're going 11 points. you know, we're going off to new, uh, nevada this weekend where he'll gain more delegates because he's uncontested there. and then, like you said, we go to south carolina, where he's beating her by over 40 points in her own backyard. both of her state senators have endorsed my boss. um, you know, we do not expect her to have a path forward. even even yesterday in new hampshire, only 29% of republicans voted for her. the majority of her votes came from unregistered. either democrats or undeclared . either democrats or undeclared. and, you know, the most, most of her money and funding is also coming from the democrat party. yeah but that's an oddity. >> of course, with new hampshire is wasn't just is that it wasn't just registered republicans that were

voting in the primary, but still still a very emphatic win for trump . could it be, lynn, that trump. could it be, lynn, that what she's gambling on, what she's gambling on? she'll go through the humiliation of south carolina and elsewhere. what she's gambling on is that between now and the convention in july , that donald trump's in july, that donald trump's legal difficulties take him out of the game? is that what she's thinking ? thinking? >> there's no question. and by the way, that's what democrats are gambling on as well, you know, in fact, nikki haley has a lot in common with them. they want to see the undisputed leader of the republican party and quite frankly, the undisputed leader of the general election. um you know, derailed because of legal issues, because they know that they both have an agenda that can't stop him on the on the policies, you know, americans were better off with trump. that's clear . they were trump. that's clear. they were ficher trump. that's clear. they were richer with trump. they were stronger with trump. they were safer with trump and democrats and nikki haley know that. they can't dispute that and they

can't dispute that and they can't beat it. you know, we're winning, uh, african american votes uh, by i think biden has gone from 87% african american support to 63. he's trailing, um, you know, in, uh, hispanic support. now we're winning. moms and parents left and right, thanks to crt and, uh, obviously gender studies in schools . um, gender studies in schools. um, there is no path forward for democrats or nikki haley . democrats or nikki haley. >> now, lynn, thank you for joining us. and i have to say, uh, being in iowa and having spent a lot of time, you know, in close proximity to donald trump , i've never seen him look trump, i've never seen him look so confident in all the years that i've known him. so, yeah, he's in good shape. lynn, thank you very much. >> electric . >> electric. >> electric. >> and we'll see you. thank you. and we'll see you out on the campaign trail. thank you very much indeed. de—banking was much indeed. now de—banking was an that i raised last an issue that i raised last yean an issue that i raised last year, and i suspect it's an issue that i even when i'm old and retired and there'll be a de—banking issue or my name will

come up. well, we sent adam from our team up to bakewell in derbyshire to find a market town that now will have no bank. what, so ever. >> while bakewell might look like a peaceful market town, in recent weeks , the local recent weeks, the local community's fury has attracted national attention . behind me is national attention. behind me is the very last natwest branch , the very last natwest branch, andindeed the very last natwest branch, and indeed the last bank in the entirety of the peak district and in just under a month, that branch is closing its doors for good, allegedly because they were only serving six regular customers on a weekly basis . customers on a weekly basis. local mp sarah dines, however , local mp sarah dines, however, says that's completely wrong . says that's completely wrong. >> my postbox is full of letters, hard copies and emails from elderly people, business people who are heartbroken that this bank is going to close. it is a de—banking scandal. and what's worse is the freedom of the individual. we feel that individuals, elderly people in particular, are being forced onune particular, are being forced online and with the horizon

scandal, it's just not good enough for our vulnerable people i >> -- >> over a quarter of the derbyshire dales population is aged 65 or above, and for many locals, cash is still king. >> since the cost of living crisis, people have been using more cash because they just draw so much out and they know exactly what they've spent on the day. change affect my business quite a bit and not just mine, but other businesses around me. we need it every, every for change and putting every day for change and putting the money in in the bank. >> and it's just going to affect everything in day to day, have a massive impact on the community, on the shops. >> people don't just come to the bank, they come to meet friends. they'll go into coffee shops for coffee, they'll come and do the weekly shops. so it's not just the bank, uh, massive impact on the bank, uh, massive impact on the the town itself . the on the town itself. >> no, we're just going to the post office because they can't ask, answer the specific questions their bank account. >> still handle quite >> we still handle quite a number of cheques, um, for

farmers pay us with cheques . and farmers pay us with cheques. and many farmers still like to receive a cheque for the livestock that they've sold. this isn't just a bakewell problem. >> since 2015, 5764 bank branches have closed their doors and that west has closed more than any other. sarah dines says other mps are now joining her campaign . campaign. >> well, i've got a national campaign now and i've got 22 mps, mainly in rural communities who have the same issues and we're working together. i am spearheading it because bakewell can't be left out. i'm afraid it's just not good enough to have a consultation after the event. that's not a consultation in my book. it's not fair. >> shared banking hubs are intended to plug the gaps, but with just 24 of the planned 76 currently operational , branches currently operational, branches are closing far quicker than the hubs can keep up . adam cherry, hubs can keep up. adam cherry, gb news bakewell well, there we

are. >> that was cherry from bakewell that worked rather well and sarah dines well done. 22 conservative mps have woken up. there's an issue with de banking and they've launched a big campaign . gosh, won't that just campaign. gosh, won't that just knock our socks off? a natwest spokesman replied by saying as with many industries, most of our customers are shifting to mobile and online banking because it's faster and easier for people to manage their financial lives. we understand and recognise that digital solutions aren't right for everyone or every situation, and that when we close branches, we have to make sure no one is left behind yet. what about those people working on market stalls deaung people working on market stalls dealing are they not dealing in cash? are they not left behind? no, they've got to drive they're drive miles to bank. they're cash now . sir keir starmer was cash now. sir keir starmer was in action today at prime minister's questions, referring to the absolutely farcical and utterly dishonest video that the chance that the prime minister made about me and here he was

saying, hi, nigel, like you, i'm really concerned about the levels of immigration. he didn't say i only let in 750,000 people yesterday. he got hoaxed and we can all get hoaxed in public life. but but the thing that really, really got me down was him pretending that he's worried about levels of legal migration. please give me a break. here was the care at pmqs hitting back . the care at pmqs hitting back. >> i was glad to see that he managed to get some time off yesterday afternoon to kick back, relax, and accidentally record a candid video for nigel farage. the only thing missing from that punishing schedule is any sort of governing or leadership. so was he surprised to see one of his own mps say that he doesn't get what britain needs, and he's not listening to what people want . what people want. >> prime minister, mr speaker , >> prime minister, mr speaker, he talks about what britain needs, what britain wants, what britain values. >> this from a man who takes the

knee, mr speaker, who wanted to aboush knee, mr speaker, who wanted to abolish the monarchy , who still abolish the monarchy, who still doesn't know what a woman is. and just this week, and who just this week, one of his frontbenchers said that they backed teaching device of white privilege in our schools . mr privilege in our schools. mr speaken privilege in our schools. mr speaker, looking at his record, it's crystal clear which one of us doesn't get britain's values . us doesn't get britain's values. >> well, it's the usual punch and judy show, but i did quite enjoy the reference that sir keir made to me in the video and at the mention of my name. sunak did not look a happy bunny, did he? now the chief of the general staff has suggested that because the our services are the army and our services are now puny that if we get into now so puny that if we get into a conflict with russia, we might need to bring back conscription . need to bring back conscription. but does that really work ? i'll but does that really work? i'll be joined in a moment by former sas trooper phil campion . i'll sas trooper phil campion. i'll ask him, would everyone sign up to and would it include to it, and would it include women as well? it seems to me this more questions than this raises more questions than

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we have run down our armed forces in the most astonished way, especially in terms of manpower. and that applies to the army, to the navy and indeed to the royal air force . so when to the royal air force. so when the chief of the general staff , the chief of the general staff, patrick saunders, says if it comes to a conflict with russia, we'll need to bring back conscription , i wonder whether conscription, i wonder whether i wonder whether he's playing a game he's hoping for lots of outrage at the idea. so hopefully this government or the incoming labour government, if that's what it's to be, will start to build up the size of our forces again. that is what i suspect his political game is. i could be wrong . that's just my could be wrong. that's just my sense of it. well, i'm joined down the line from southampton by phil campion , former sas by phil campion, former sas trooper . now phil, i have little trooper. now phil, i have little doubt that if people felt that their country , their community,

their country, their community, their country, their community, their family were under threat, i think the vast majority of people would still accept the call. don't you ? call. don't you? >> i think they would, yes. i'm absolutely adamant that they would. and, um, if you look over in the ukraine now, you know , in the ukraine now, you know, there were men actively trying to back to their country to get back to their country from calm, decent from relatively calm, decent lifestyle that they were enjoying in places like this . so enjoying in places like this. so i've got no doubt that people would want to back and fight would want to go back and fight and the right thing . and do the right thing. >> when i say most people >> well, when i say most people and we must remember you know, that in both world wars, there were conscientious objectors and were conscientious objectors and we perhaps use them rather more intelligently in world war ii intelligently in world war 11 than world war and there were than world war i. and there were people that objected to national service, national service, the last national serviceman finishing in 1963. so you know, conscription was never was never popular across the entirety of the board. but, phil, i wonder, in the modern age, if we have conscription, does that mean women as well ? does that mean women as well? >> i think you would have to

mean women as well. but let's, let's, let's not take this conscription thing too far. i don't think conscription work personally. i don't think it's a great idea. and i say that because conscription soldier will ever fight like a will never, ever fight like a volunteer. i think come the push becoming a shove , i think people becoming a shove, i think people will volunteer and they'll volunteer in their droves. i think where we need to be. what? what the general's message really you've let us down. really was. you've let us down. you haven't spent any money on us, and you're cutting things left, right and centre. you need to put your hands in to seriously put your hands in your rebuild this army. your pockets, rebuild this army. so if a push does become a shove, we're in a position where we can accept and train and progress forward and in the meantime, if there's to be any community training whatsoever, meantime, if there's to be any con shouldy training whatsoever, meantime, if there's to be any con should beaining whatsoever, meantime, if there's to be any conshould be pushingiatsoever, meantime, if there's to be any conshould be pushing valueser, meantime, if there's to be any conshould be pushing values and we should be pushing values and standards into schools and giving people something to giving young people something to put a bit of pride around them in this country. >> would it be helpful, phil? i mean, the territorial army now, of course, rebranded the army reserve. hear much reserve. we don't hear much emphasis in terms of advertising or recruitment for that. indeed, i don't hear much about cadet

forces for young forces available for young people around the country. would that be perhaps a good way of getting more people up to some level of military training ? level of military training? >> a superb way, nigel and basically what they did was during, during, during these last periods of conflict that we've they rebranded the we've had, they rebranded the ta into the reserves and they did a tremendous job, and they brought them up on par with the regular army. but because we're now post—war, we're not even post—war, we're not even post—war almost post—war anymore. we're almost pre—war these need pre—war. okay. these levels need to be attained to again, you know, we've still got a very large cadet force who do extremely for us. um, so extremely well for us. um, so and there'll never be any shortage young people are shortage of young people who are willing answer the call, but willing to answer the call, but the government are the ones that need serious money need to spend the serious money to that we can to make sure that we can facilitate anything that goes wrong. would be foolish not wrong. it would be foolish not to. yeah >> no, phil. absolutely. i think you and i both see this the same way. this was the chief of the chief of defence staff basically saying, look, you know, actually, you say, you've led

actually, as you say, you've led us down. conscription would lead to all sorts of calls of outrage. let's do a bit more for our armed services. phil, as even our armed services. phil, as ever, delight to have you on the programme. and jacob rees—mogg actually , you know, the point actually, you know, the point there that for army cadet forces, for, for the army reserve , this is a very cheap reserve, this is a very cheap way of getting a lot of people up to a good standard. >> absolutely. and army cadet forces were very important in the first world war in giving people a little bit of training before they joined up. and our armed forces have done amazing work training ukrainians to work in training ukrainians to fight, they've been able to fight, and they've been able to help ukraine get a force that is of fighting strength and capability that has held the russians off in a way that nobody expected. when this war started, and no more we can do. >> and jacob, what are you going to be discussing tonight on the show? >> well, inevitably about sir simon clarke and yes, his article the telegraph today. article in the telegraph today. no he's not. >> you're headed for disaster. >> you're headed for disaster. >> late. too late to save

>> too late. too late to save him in vain. in vain. they tried. his life was england's glory. england's glory. his death was england's pride. words said pride. those were the words said of gordon. general sir of sir gordon. general sir charles gordon of khartoum. so rather died. rather he died. >> go down in flames. >> yes. go down in flames. >> yes. go down in flames. >> think point is too late >> i think the point is too late that can't change again. that we can't change again. we've changed too much and tories now have to buckle down, support their leader and follow conservative policies. >> so, like gordon of khartoum , >> so, like gordon of khartoum, go down to defeat. but do say i was british. >> i was merely british dignity. you mustn't you mustn't take a jolly quotation too far. >> end too well for gordon. >> end too well for gordon. >> was great hero , >> tim gordon was great hero, and put up for him all and statues put up for him all over the empire. i mean, there's still statue of him still a statue of him in melbourne. >> he was an >> well, yes, he was an extraordinary figure, extraordinary figure, extraordinary man. so just. it's extraordinary figure, extrlateinary man. so just. it's extraordinary figure, extrlate to ry man. so just. it's extraordinary figure, extrlate to do nan. so just. it's extraordinary figure, extrlate to do anything. st. it's too late to do anything. stick with how you go. with it. see how you go. >> a change would worse and >> a change would be worse and less. you're throwing your hat into the ring. >> well, think your party >> well, i think your party wouldn't me, jacob. wouldn't have me, jacob. you know, think i'm no, it know, i mean, i think i'm no, it can't be. i'm in. the conservative party would never have in small have me. i believe in small states and low taxes and free enterprise. and jacob does. but

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gb news. hello >> good evening, it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation. tonight, the civil service's main wish for 2024 has been revealed as a change of government. it could be helped by sir simon clarke's angry article calling for the prime minister's replacement in today's telegraph, donald trump now looks certain to be the republican candidate after a strong new strong victory in the new hampshire primary. but my comments last week about trump being britain than being better for britain than biden led interesting biden led to an interesting response from fellow tory, and response from a fellow tory, and we will be debating the virtues of senescent man . could the of two senescent man. could the country be facing the return of dad's army? well, the british army chief has warned mps will have to mobilise the nation in the event of war with russia. but with gen z taking an average of a day off every week for their mental health, surely the days of mass mobilisation are behind us. as i mentioned last night to all viewers in scunthorpe and the wider county of lincolnshire, tickets are available the available for state of the nafion available for state of the nation to