when i became home secretary, >> when i became home secretary, i made immediate decision to i made the immediate decision to go further, to put forward this secondary legislation to support what we've already done to make the possession of zombie knives illegal and to close the loophole. so i'm very pleased with taking action now and will be determined . be determined. >> meanwhile, the labour leader , >> meanwhile, the labour leader, sir keir starmer, is launching a new youth program. he's calling it young futures to tackle knife crime. our political correspondent olivia utley. she has more . has more. >> yes. at long last, the prime minister is pushing ahead with its plan to cut down on knife crime . but the labour party says crime. but the labour party says it's not enough. so what will keir starmer do differently? find out more with me very soon and signed. >> sealed but not delivered . the >> sealed but not delivered. the new royal mail proposals could see postal deliveries cut from 6 to 5 days a week, or even as low as three, in an attempt to modernise the service . would you modernise the service. would you feel let down by that modernising? >> they're massacring it. no to army draft. downing street has

shot down the head of the army, who said the uk must be ready to train and equip ordinary people for future military conflict and child obesity crisis. >> tens of thousands more children are growing up extremely overweight right after the pandemic, with researchers warning that this could cost us £8] billion in the future. who does the response ability for this lie . this lie. with ensuring that labour and the government are going head to head on crime, but i heard the labour spokesman on our one of the programmes here on news the programmes here on gb news earlier mention and search. >> bev. >> bev. >> well it's a em— >> yeah, well it's a very controversial that isn't >> yeah, well it's a very contro�*ussial that isn't >> yeah, well it's a very contro�*us know that isn't >> yeah, well it's a very contro�*us know younat isn't >> yeah, well it's a very contro�*us know your thoughts on it. let us know your thoughts on all talking points this all of our talking points this morning. had hours morning. we've also had 24 hours to this news that we to digest this news that we might up to go and might be called up to go and fight for this country. the government out and government have come out and said, we're not said, no, calm down. we're not going to enact conscription. we're talking about

we're going to be talking about that know your that as well. let us know your thoughts. vaiews@gbnews.com here though, with the very latest sanchez is . latest news. tatiana sanchez is. >> beth, thank you and good morning. your top stories from the gb newsroom. the government's defending its record knife crime record on tackling knife crime amid a third crackdown in just eight years. >> the home secretary says the new restrictions are aimed at closing called closing what he called a loophole that allowed some types of zombie style knives to be sold . the fresh legislation will sold. the fresh legislation will strengthen the definition of the dangerous knives and make it illegal to possess , sell, illegal to possess, sell, manufacture or transport them, james cleverly says. reducing knife crime is his priority . knife crime is his priority. >> i became home secretary. i made the immediate decision to go further to put forward this secondary legislation to support what we've already done to make the possession of zombie knives illegal and to close the loophole . so i'm very pleased loophole. so i'm very pleased with taking action. now. we have seen a reduction in crime. we

have a plan to drive it down further. that plan is working . further. that plan is working. we're determined take these we're determined to take these knives off the streets . this knives off the streets. this a 17 ton consignment of family sized tents will be flown into gaza today as part of an agreement between britain and qatar . qatar. >> it's after the foreign secretary's trip to jerusalem yesterday , where he called on yesterday, where he called on the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, to consider a two state solution with the palestinians. mr netanyahu recently rejected that proposal, saying it would endanger the state of israel . lord cameron state of israel. lord cameron warned of unimaginable suffering in gaza and called on israel to open up more crossing points into the area , and the ghanaian into the area, and the ghanaian equivalent of the crown jewels will be sent back to the west african nation as part of a loan from both the victoria and albert museum and the british museum. the 32 precious items were taken during wars in the 19th century. they include a sword of state, gold badges worn by officials of the king, and a

gold peace pipe. the museums are prevented by law from returning the items permanently , but v&a the items permanently, but v&a director tristram hunt says there is a responsibility to share objects with their countries of origin wherever possible . you can get more on possible. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website gbnews.com. now back to andrew and . bev. to andrew and. bev. >> very good morning. busy morning so far today we've got a very busy show between now and midday. >> well, yesterday we asked you if you think we need a civilian army to compensate for our shrinking military. this was on the back general sir patrick the back of general sir patrick sanders sanders, the head of the army , making that speech saying , army, making that speech saying, we haven't got enough soldiers. that's right. the prime that's right. well, the prime minister listening that's right. well, the prime minister it listening that's right. well, the prime minister it did listening that's right. well, the prime minister it did cause listening that's right. well, the prime minister it did cause list uproar because it did cause an uproar yesterday. because it did cause an uproar yes he'sy. forced to quickly >> he's been forced to quickly officially rule out an army draft, and many of you took to social media to express your feelings on conscription. >> because we did poll on

>> so because we did a poll on it yesterday, 62% again, let's have says, my have a look. charlotte says, my face at the suggestion, the people of the uk should prepare for conscription for a government who tries to remove our civil liberties at every opportunity sexualise our opportunity. we sexualise our children . blimey, here we go. children. blimey, here we go. indoctrinate our youth imports and houses. young men from faraway lands daily and on we go. injections for a damn cold and instructs us to put ourselves. not a fan. i didn't i didn't pick that tweet. >> just to be clear that that was nothing with me. i did was nothing to do with me. i did not. and here we go. all this talk conscription says talk about conscription says asia. uh, is it i—look? all this talk about conscription has reminded me how much i've always loved cooking and cleaning and, uh, here's another one. previously, handsome says, uh, starting my conscription starting work on my conscription physique for, uh, and then, because he's a picture of, uh , because he's a picture of, uh, uh, what's his name? but simpson. thank you, sam lister. that's why we get the political espresso for that kind of insight. she knows her stuff, you know, um, and another one here saying, light of the uk here saying, in light of the uk

conscription threat, michelle mone a £100 contract mone has a £100 million contract for armour . michelle mone, for body armour. michelle mone, baroness mone. >> but this. >> but this. >> but this. >> but do you know what this is? what's brilliant, isn't what's so brilliant, isn't it, about public? about the british public? because faced with because you're faced with a situation that, all the situation like that, all the humour there humour came out yesterday. there were examples, were all sorts of examples, particularly younger particularly of the younger generation, saying how there will done from will be tiktok videos done from the front and they'll the front line and they'll be putting their avocados the front line and they'll be puttiup their avocados the front line and they'll be puttiup their their avocados the front line and they'll be puttiup their guns, avocados the front line and they'll be puttiup their guns, and ados the front line and they'll be puttiup their guns, and you. pick up their guns, and you know, but it did raise this serious some extent know, but it did raise this sericwe some extent know, but it did raise this sericwe just some extent know, but it did raise this sericwe just don't»me extent know, but it did raise this sericwe just don't havextent know, but it did raise this sericwe just don't have that that we just don't have that connection anymore. the gap between narrow between that sort of narrow band of that we expect to send of elites that we expect to send out, civilians to be out, the civilians to be murdered or to murder on their behalf, buy it. behalf, people wouldn't buy it. now, i still think be now, i still think there'd be more for it if it was more support for it if it was a direct threat to the british isles. >> if we saw an enemy across the channel about to invade, i think people would, would, would , people would, would, would, would be conscripted in their droves in the hundreds of thousands. droves in the hundreds of thousands . but a faraway war in thousands. but a faraway war in russia to do with ukraine. i don't think you get anything would now dangerous would happen. no. now dangerous zombie and machetes zombie style knives and machetes . how many have we heard . how many times have we heard this? going banned as this? are going to be banned as the cracks down on

the government cracks down on knife crime? >> so anyone with one of these weapons voluntarily hand it weapons can voluntarily hand it into surrender into a knife surrender bin under the official surrender scheme, which be launching this which will be launching this summer, olivia utley our summer, olivia utley is our political correspondent in westminster. >> olivia, we've this >> olivia, we've heard this before. i think this before. forgive me. i think this is the fourth or fifth time since 2016. are they really going to this time ? going to do it this time? >> well, it is the fifth time since 2016 that we've heard this. >> it sounds as though rishi sunakis >> it sounds as though rishi sunak is now properly cracking down, although the ban wouldn't actually be introduced until september , where keir starmer is september, where keir starmer is critical of rishi sunak's plan, he says that it isn't enough to tackle the scourge of knife crime. he had a meeting with idris elba, the actor , uh, idris elba, the actor, uh, earlier this week on wednesday, after pmqs. uh, idris elba has been very vocal about his plans to his his, uh, idea to cut out knife crime in the uk. what keir starmer is planning to do is set up a sort of short start style

program he's calling it, whereby people who are found to be in possession of a knife or to have committed a knife crime, would be referred to a programme which would tags and curfews , would involve tags and curfews, etc. it has been pointed out, though, that there doesn't seem to be any new funding for this plan from starmer. he says that he would want to draw on the £100 million a year that he's already committed to for sort of other schemes, including youth workers. referring knife crime perpetrators to youth workers , perpetrators to youth workers, etc. and he also thinks that there could be some some money to be saved by cutting down on duplication and getting the charity sector involved. well thatis charity sector involved. well that is something that we have heard from keir starmer a lot over recent weeks. i think over the next few days what we can expect is attacks from the conservatives saying that keir starmer's plan to end knife crime just isn't fully funded. >> all right, that's olivia lewis, political correspondent in the studio. this is sam

lister, who's the head of the daily express and the tory mp for shipley, great friend of this philip davies. this programme, philip davies. philip, to why is taking philip, to you, why is it taking so long? philip, to you, why is it taking so iyeah, well, i mean, look, >> yeah, well, i mean, look, this it's it's this is a it's a, it's a difficult issue isn't it. knife crime. because can crime. because you can ban knives. you know, ban knives. you know, you can ban a particular type of knife and you can particular of can ban a particular type of machete, but doesn't machete, but that doesn't actually the root cause actually tackle the root cause of the problem. and you know, and a harder order and which is a much harder order to, to tackle issue. i mean , i to, to tackle issue. i mean, i mean, this thing from keir starmer is a load of old nonsense. we've labour's nonsense. we've seen labour's attempts tackle knife attempts to tackle knife crime. it's called khan in it's called sadiq khan in london. yeah. it's been a complete disaster. complete and utter disaster. he doesn't stop doesn't even believe in stop and search. there's no point search. so there's no point banning if you're not banning knives if you're not even search even going to stop and search anybody these knives. it's anybody for these knives. it's just faulty percent just a completely faulty percent 40% crime on 40% rise in knife crime on saturday. think, you know, saturday. i think, you know, we've got to we've got to tackle why want to join why young people want to join gangs. that's big gangs. yeah, that's that's a big issue. really good issue. and lots of really good kids buying in kids end up buying accident in gangs all sorts of reasons. gangs for all sorts of reasons. we've got to got to do we've got to we've got to do that. you know, we've got to tackle the root causes of family breakdown and things like that that the that have all contributed to the

absence a father in absence of a father figure in the home a big factor , isn't the home is a big factor, isn't it, philip? of course, of course it is. there's definitely a correlation to correlation there. that's not to say everybody brought say that everybody who's brought up say that everybody who's brought ”p by say that everybody who's brought up by a single mother up in a by a single mother commits knife but there's commits knife crime, but there's definitely a correlation. and we need to find models and need to find role models and things positive role models things like positive role models for in communities. for people in communities. there's things. there's there's loads of things. there's loads that do good loads of charities that do good work. school of work. a former school friend of mine, sinclair , constance, mine, gavin sinclair, constance, runs called leap that runs a charity called leap that does lots of work trying to get young gangs young people out of gangs and things that. it's really things like that. it's really complicated, but just saying we're knives isn't we're going to ban knives isn't actually . actually solving the problem. i'm sure these knives should be banned by the way. i'm not saying they shouldn't be, but that doesn't actually solve the problem. i was kind of impressed with optimism baked the with the optimism baked into the idea surrender bin. idea of a surrender bin. >> yeah, sam, you know that you can if you're at home now with a zombie knife or a machete. what's stopping giving what's stopping you? giving it away don't know away is that you don't know where it. you're going to where to put it. you're going to go surrender bin. i mean, go to the surrender bin. i mean, that's bit ridiculous . that's that's a bit ridiculous. >> yeah, i think you're right. that quite optimistic. and that is quite optimistic. and i think problem, think that this is the problem, isn't it, that the, you know,

this government has to this the government has tried to legislate for legislate so many times for this, but are loopholes. this, but there are loopholes. the loopholes the reason there are loopholes is is an incredibly is because this is an incredibly difficult do. know, difficult thing to do. you know, knives, people knives for knives, people need knives for very how knives, people need knives for veryou how knives, people need knives for veryou actually how knives, people need knives for veryou actually go how knives, people need knives for veryou actually go about how do you actually go about imposing think it's imposing a ban? um, i think it's interesting, though obviously imposing a ban? um, i think it's integovernment|gh obviously imposing a ban? um, i think it's inte government are obviously imposing a ban? um, i think it's inte government are tryingsly imposing a ban? um, i think it's inte government are trying to the government are trying to sort out . it's interesting sort this out. it's interesting that back of that it comes on the back of idris elba, getting involved idris elba, uh, getting involved in obviously been in this. he's obviously been very vocal in recent weeks, and i probably actually i think that probably actually does a bit of does help shine a bit of a spotlight um, spotlight on the issue. um, but whether actually you can really ever outlaw these, uh, zombie knives, these kind of you can't really you can't like, like you said, you can't get rid of knives. >> they're just they are always going to be part of our life. you have to tackle what's happening these i happening with these kids. i think part of it, you think a big part of it, as you said, the teenagers there said, it's the teenagers there is for to do . is nothing for them to do. >> what about because labour is saying, bring back saying, we've got to bring back the we've to the youth clubs. we've got to bnng the youth clubs. we've got to bring hubs which the youth clubs. we've got to bring disappeared hubs which the youth clubs. we've got to bring disappeared partly ubs which the youth clubs. we've got to bring disappeared partly since hich have disappeared partly since covid. but also, they say, because of spending cuts . are because of spending cuts. are they right? >> yeah. there's something in that. >> i mean, i've always been a bit sceptical about this. kids

have got nothing do. think have got nothing to do. i think kids had more to do kids have never had more to do to know. i mean, when i was a when was kid, really when i was a kid, there really was nothing do. but we used was nothing to do. but we used to our entertainment. to make our own entertainment. we'd football. we'd go out and play football. we'd go out and play football. we'd play cricket with we'd go and play cricket with our friends or whatever. i think there's there is and it's there's a what there is and it's understandable. there's a i think there's a more think there's a there's a more aversion parents allow aversion for parents to allow their out playing their kids out going out playing in and whatever. in the street and whatever. i think are more think parents are much more understandably nervous about that. there's there's that. so it there's no there's no no sports facilities. >> when we were m >> phil, when we were growing up , you would have had the local basketball was basketball court that was unlocked. everything's basketball court that was unlockeyou everything's basketball court that was unlockeyou couldarything's basketball court that was unlockeyou could go :hing's basketball court that was unlockeyou could go :hing do locked. you could go and do something. they just just something. they just they just aren't . they haven't aren't there. they haven't been funded. go funded. they've just been let go to ruin. unfortunately, like to ruin. and unfortunately, like andrew says, i think as well, since the pandemic, a lot of those services rely on volunteers. scout the volunteers. the scout clubs, the you guides, you know, the girl guides, whatever they now. um, and whatever they are now. um, and those elderly, often those are elderly, often volunteers didn't do it for a two years and they never went back. and so those services have just fallen away. sam. and i think the government that can get getting the get on board with getting the community and it is community city back and it is going take money. do you

going to take money. do you think they've they think they've have they allocated this labour? allocated funds for this labour? is that sounds is it just something that sounds good thornberry good because emily thornberry was news was talking about it on gb news last night. >> i think let's be >> i mean, i think let's be realistic. there's report out realistic. there's a report out today institute for today from the institute for fiscal studies that basically says going to be no says there is going to be no money after the election. it doesn't who in doesn't matter who comes in there. is no money. it there. there is no money. it is a higher taxes or lower a case of higher taxes or lower spending or probably both. um, so i think youth clubs and sports facilities are going to be very and they're saying to if because we know the, the tory government to the government is going to cut the taxes budget because taxes in the budget because there's election coming taxes in the budget because therthe election coming taxes in the budget because therthe imf ection coming taxes in the budget because therthe imf istion coming taxes in the budget because therthe imf is sayingning and the imf is saying effectively tax will effectively the tax cuts will have reversed after the election. >> after the election, whoever wins it. yeah >> have a look at what >> should we have a look at what emily thornberry said she was talking gb news talking about this on gb news last martin daubney. last night with martin daubney. thank you. here is. last night with martin daubney. thabut'ou. here is. last night with martin daubney. thabut we here is. last night with martin daubney. tha but we need is. last night with martin daubney. thabut we need to is. last night with martin daubney. thabut we need to make sure that >> but we need to make sure that we do more and work harder. we do more and we work harder. and that sadiq has and the things that sadiq has done, pushing in the done, he's been pushing in the right needs right direction, but he needs a national work national government to work with as what would if as well. and what we would do if we the national we were in the national government that we would government was that we would make we had all kinds make sure that we had all kinds of in order to of things in place in order to make that we pushed

make sure that we pushed youngsters direction youngsters in another direction and away from crime. so we would make sure that we had mental health workers every single health workers in every single secondary school and time secondary school and part time mental health workers in primary schools . we would have hubs schools. we would have hubs around the country , 156 of them. around the country, 156 of them. that would be paid for where we would bring everyone in who whose it is to keep kids out whose job it is to keep kids out of the criminal justice system together in order to ensure that they work together . they they work together. they identify the people who are likely to be at risk and make sure that they are pushed in another direction. instead >> sensible, but hard to >> it's sensible, but hard to argue with that 156 hubs. it's not many , is it? not many, is it? >> look, i mean , you know, >> no. look, i mean, you know, this is just i mean, it always annoys me when people like emily thornberry talk about mental health problems of young kids and she was the one voting for kids be locked schools kids to be locked out of schools and during covid. and locked down during covid. whatever didn't pass me by that. philip, what says about philip, take what she says about mental health of kids with a pinch of salt. to be perfectly honest . look, there's there's honest. look, there's no there's no there's no easy solutions with this. lots of people might

no there's no easy solutions with well, lots of people might no there's no easy solutions with well, lots know,)ple might no there's no easy solutions with well, lots know, doe might no there's no easy solutions with well, lots know, do yought no there's no easy solutions with well, lots know, do you want say, well, you know, do you want other do? about other things to do? what about national service? that's a very popular which popular concept for which follows a wonderful popular concept for which follow to a wonderful popular concept for which follow to our a wonderful popular concept for which followto our next a wonderful popular concept for which follow to our next topicvonderful popular concept for which follow to our next topic ,)nderful segue to our next topic, conscription issue. but, you know, the i think, you know, there are things that are people prepared bite that bullet and prepared to bite that bullet and say, kids, say, well, look, let's kids, would ? would you? >> i actually spent three years in the army cadets and hated every minute of when was at school. >> so i'd probably loathed >> so i'd be probably loathed because how much i hated because i know how much i hated it. but people might say it it. but but people might say it did some good, not did me some good, i'm not saying. think there saying. and so i think there might it, but might be something in it, but i think people are think certainly people who are either unemployed or young kids who trouble, who get themselves into trouble, i i think we i think we should i think we should teach them should think about teach them how knife and how to pave with a knife and a gun, i think, think gun, i think, well, i think better discipline. i think i think discipline properly. i think discipline properly. i think discipline properly. i think discipline is a is definitely and actually getting popular readers, definitely and actually getting popular it. readers, wouldn't it. >> they'd very, behind >> they'd be very, very behind this. absolutely positive this. i'm absolutely positive about i think the problem about that. i think the problem is though, i think children today , i think it would be very today, i think it would be very difficult to impose that policy. i just think the mindset of the parents and the children would not really allow that to happen.

even though our readers would definitely back it it was definitely back it if it was some sort of structured of some sort of structured kind of gap year program, whether it's leaving school at 16 or you're leaving school at 16 or you're leaving school at 18, i think there'd be a of parents on there'd be a lot of parents on board that. board with that. >> now. you think? yeah, i really do, they've really do, because they've got something like that. >> he launch >> cameron didn't he launch something that? something like that? >> citizenship . >> oh, the citizenship. >> oh, the citizenship. >> yeah. >> oh, the citizenship. >> there's h. national >> there's a national citizenship, does do it? >> yeah, lots of people do it, but they do not really like national service, to be perfectly it's not. it's national service, to be perfe more it's not. it's national service, to be perfemore like it's not. it's national service, to be perfemore like a it's not. it's national service, to be perfemore like a duke ot. it's national service, to be perfemore like a duke of it's a bit more like a duke of edinburgh award scheme. >> exactly. edinburgh award scheme. >> yeah. xactly. edinburgh award scheme. >> yeah. um,y. edinburgh award scheme. >> yeah. um, do you think it kind of this, this whole issue >> yeah. um, do you think it kirnational, this whole issue >> yeah. um, do you think it kirnational service? )le issue of national service? well, conscription leapt conscription more sam it leapt onto front pages today and onto the front pages today and after this statement by, um, lord sanders yesterday , sir saw lord sanders yesterday, sir saw sir lord sanders yesterday, um , sir lord sanders yesterday, um, and obviously the government very quickly backtracked today. it made an impact, didn't it? >> it was i was at the briefing yesterday. so after pmqs, we have a briefing with, uh, number 10 and obviously this issue was one of the key issues we discussed. and i cannot tell you how quickly number 10 to

how quickly number 10 moved to slot this down. they were very, very clear, very quickly very clear, very, very quickly that not something they that this is not something they are do. are going to do. >> think this the general, >> you think this the general, sir patrick sanders, was actually making the speech to embarrass government embarrass the government about the state of our armed forces? >> and i think there's a lot of frustration among the top brass about the size . um, that's about the size. um, that's clear. and they do keep making these pointed interventions , and these pointed interventions, and i think they are trying to make that point. but um, i think if you listen to grant shapps, the defence secretary, his answer to that not just that is actually, it's not just all numbers now. it's all about numbers now. it's about technology . uh, you know, about technology. uh, you know, obviously play an obviously drones now play an important part of warfare. you don't number of don't need the same number of people operate you people to operate a drone as you might to , you know, use, might have to, you know, use, uh, means to achieve the uh, other means to achieve the same aim . at ten years ago, for same aim. at ten years ago, for example. so i think they very much see that technology is part of the solution here. and it isn't all about numbers. what do you think? >> because always >> because you're always i always tough on always thought tory's tough on defence. big issue big strong issue tories. i mean issue for the tories. but i mean the withering on vine.

>> yeah, i mean, look, this conscription thing is a load of old nonsense that's never going to happen. >> no, course, a million >> no, of course, a million years. no, i mean, do years. um, no, i mean, we do need improve defence. the need to improve our defence. the world's more dangerous world's getting a more dangerous place to be perfectly unpredictable. know, unpredictable. and we. you know, the any government unpredictable. and we. you know, th defence any government unpredictable. and we. you know, th defence of any government unpredictable. and we. you know, th defence of erealm.ernment unpredictable. and we. you know, th defence of erealm. and|ent is defence of the realm. and i think conservatives, we take think as conservatives, we take that . it's that very seriously. it's difficult because difficult politically because you get instant , uh, you don't get any instant, uh, you don't get any instant, uh, you know, sort of credit for improving defence. like you do in spending more money on schools or hospitals or police or whatever. so it's politically it's becoming increasingly difficult. but it is really important. the one thing that the one caveat i would say is that ministry defence that the ministry of defence wastes industrial wastes money on an industrial scale, with its scale, to be honest with its procurement, procurement, tens of people wasted of thousands of people wasted money on procurement. and i think the chancellor think if you're the chancellor of the exchequer, you wouldn't be wouldn't be unreasonable be it wouldn't be unreasonable to of to say to the ministry of defence, look, you defence, look, i'll tell you what, sympathetic to more what, we're sympathetic to more funding please what, we're sympathetic to more fundinwhat please what, we're sympathetic to more fundinwhat you've please what, we're sympathetic to more fundinwhat you've got please what, we're sympathetic to more fundinwhat you've got currently spend what you've got currently a bit more sensibly and don't waste much before we think waste so much before we think about increasing your budget. >> this is this been >> this is this has been a problem thatcher

problem since the thatcher government. brought problem since the thatcher go somebody brought problem since the thatcher go somebody lord brought problem since the thatcher go somebody lord levine. ight in somebody called lord levine. peter heseltine , who peter levine or heseltine, who was secretary, out was defence secretary, sort out procurement. and here we are 30 years still a dog's breakfast. >> it is. and they employ tens of thousands of people to do that. lord knows what they all do on a daily basis. i've always said bring few said they should bring in a few asda tesco buyers into the asda and tesco buyers into the process. probably process. they'd probably do it a hell of a lot better than the minister. >> very sensible. you've front page sam. the page of your paper, sam. the daily you will daily express is you will deliver. prime minister daily express is you will deliver. royalne minister daily express is you will deliver. royal mailinister daily express is you will deliver. royal mail cutbacks. vows. no royal mail cutbacks. what with this yesterday? >> so obviously over the >> yes. so obviously over the last so, there's been last week or so, there's been this suggestion that royal mail are going their are going to reduce their services. you perhaps only services. so you perhaps only have a five day or three day even service . yes. and that even service. yes. and that would the end of saturday would mean the end of saturday deliveries . or the alternative deliveries. or the alternative is that you could slow down the delivery . so instead of having delivery. so instead of having a next delivery , first class next day delivery, first class delivery, actually get delivery, you'd actually get a kind of three day. well, i think that's what we get now don't we. well feels like it, doesn't it. >> very rarely gets there the >> it very rarely gets there the next day. >> i mean, i don't think anybody really the in the really relies on the post in the way you used to do, but

way that you used to do, but obviously it's issue. the obviously it's a big issue. the prime minister about prime minister was asked about it at prime minister's questions, said he questions, and he said he absolutely square behind absolutely is full square behind the six day delivery. he will not allow this to happen. the issue is obviously we have an election coming up. uh, if there is government. is a change of government. sir keir ruled out, keir starmer has not ruled out, uh, scrapping six day delivery. >> yeah, he would, he wouldn't even service. even defend a saturday service. >> sat on the fence as >> he, he sat on the fence as usual on the fence and everything. >> yeah. absolutely i think, everything. >> it ah. absolutely i think, everything. >> it verbesolutely i think, everything. >> it very much:ely i think, everything. >> it very much dependsthink, everything. >> it very much depends what uh, it very much depends what happens at the election as to whether six service whether the six day service survives as well. do you think? >> i is it i mean, i'm old >> i mean, is it i mean, i'm old fashioned. i like the royal mail and i want to have six day service. letters service. i like sending letters and i've always got stamps in my wallet. i think it's wallet. and i think it's important. i think it's an important community service. >> is the royal >> i think this is the royal mail trashing their own brand to be perfectly honest. i mean, what the point of what on earth is the point of them if they're not going if them if they're not going to if you rely posting you can't rely on posting letters cost of a stamp letters and the cost of a stamp now is astronomical. it's as now is astronomical. it's not as if. as if people aren't if. it's not as if people aren't paying if. it's not as if people aren't paying for paying through the nose for £1.25. >> 9- $- g the i get the fact £1.25. >> the i get the fact that >> i get the i get the fact that fewer people sending letters

fewer people are sending letters now, as more people do emails fewer people are sending letters now all more people do emails fewer people are sending letters now all inore people do emails fewer people are sending letters now all i get people do emails fewer people are sending letters now all i get allople do emails fewer people are sending letters now all i get all that,io emails fewer people are sending letters now all i get all that, butmails fewer people are sending letters now all i get all that, but itails and all i get all that, but it seems that this just seems to me that this is just managed decline. >> like a sort of a gerald >> it's like a sort of a gerald ratner moment royal ratner moment for the royal mail. it's basically trashing its brand, which will make mail. it's basically trashing its whole and, which will make mail. it's basically trashing its whole thing/hich will make mail. it's basically trashing its whole thing/hich will rit'se the whole thing pointless. it's an for poor management, an excuse for poor management, you know, they need to manage the better they're the business better and they're being of course, being accused because of course, this this isn't this isn't this isn't off. >> ofcom advice. and >> this is ofcom advice. and that will surprise some people because normally you think, well, the tv . well, ofcom regulates the tv. who knew? regulates the who knew? it also regulates the royal mail. um and there was a spokesperson for the over 60 group, the silver voices , who group, the silver voices, who said i think ofcom's response is pathetic . they were being a pathetic. they were being a really weak regulator. pathetic. they were being a really weak regulator . they're really weak regulator. they're rolling over to what royal mail wants as opposed to maybe defending the public. what do you make of that , phil? you make of that, phil? >> yeah, well, i'm not the greatest fan of ofcom. it has to be. it has to be, said bev. so you're not going to you're certainly not going to hear me defending ofcom. any defending ofcom. uh, on any basis. the ofcom basis. but no, i agree the ofcom should be there. they're not there after there to look after the interests the company. yeah, interests of the company. yeah, the the regulator

the whole point of the regulator is to look after interests is to look after the interests of you would of the consumer. you would think it extraordinary it seems quite extraordinary that the that ofcom would take the approach has a of papers, approach it has a lot of papers, sam saying the prime sam quickly saying the prime minister's six weeks to turn minister's got six weeks to turn it two by elections it around, two by elections coming a budget. it around, two by elections con how a budget. it around, two by elections con how much udget. it around, two by elections con how much trouble is he in? >> how much trouble is he in? because went off like damp because it went off like a damp squib. sir. what's squib. the attack by sir. what's his face, sir? >> clarke, simon clarke >> simon clarke, simon clarke yesterday, as you and i know if you're going to make that sort of attack in a newspaper article saying you've got to resign, prime minister, to have prime minister, you need to have some backing you. prime minister, you need to have son he backing you. prime minister, you need to have son he no backing you. prime minister, you need to have son he no one.backing you. >> he had no one. >> he had no one. >> it went badly wrong. and philip tell you philip will be able to tell you the group. the tory whatsapp group. i cannot you how i've seen cannot tell you how i've seen some of those messages they some of those messages and they were brutal, were pretty brutal, contemptuous. uh, he didn't have anybody. him. anybody. he ronin behind him. the who is on his the only person who is on his side andrea jenkins. the only person who is on his side andrea jenkins . and i side is andrea jenkins. and i think if you if you're going to make this kind of intervention, you need to have a gang around you need to have a gang around you to go out? um you ready to go out? um alongside you. if you go out on your own and then nobody goes in behind you, you know it's over, isn't it? >> yeah. it went it really did go off badly, didn't it, for him. >> yeah. it's a complete load of

nonsense. look, we've tried a circular firing squad as a political tactic in the conservative party. now, i think we should all accept it doesn't work. our fire on work. and let's turn our fire on the labour party and the disaster would for be disaster that they would for be the that's the country. and that's incumbent conservative incumbent on all conservative mps to do that. you know, this is old nonsense. is all a load of old nonsense. rishi will be the rishi sunak will be the conservative the conservative leader at the general i if general election. i agree, if anyone differently, i'm anyone thinks differently, i'm i'm wager i'm very happy to wager with them money off them and take the money off them. that is just the fact of them. that is just the fact of the matter. so let's just accept that fact. get with that as a fact. get on with actually out what a actually pointing out what a disaster. sleepwalking into a labour be. and disaster. sleepwalking into a lachtarmer be. and disaster. sleepwalking into a lachtarmer is be. and disaster. sleepwalking into a lachtarmer is hoping be. and disaster. sleepwalking into a lachtarmer is hoping to be. and disaster. sleepwalking into a lachtarmer is hoping to become keir starmer is hoping to become prime minister by saying nothing, nothing, nothing, doing nothing, and hoping notices. hoping nobody notices. >> well, it's working well i >> -- >> well, it is because we're fighting ourselves than fighting ourselves rather than actually out what a actually pointing out what a disaster labour government disaster a labour government would right. would be. yeah, right. >> both. sam lister, >> thank you both. sam lister, philip to see as philip davis, good to see you as always. see your wife always. do you see your wife much days? philip estimate much these days? philip estimate of you're very busy. much these days? philip estimate of i you're very busy. much these days? philip estimate of i yotsee/ery busy. much these days? philip estimate of i yotsee/ery assy. much these days? philip estimate of i yotsee/ery as much as >> i don't see you as much as i'd like to, but i. >> she probably sees me more than she'd like. >> hahahahahai she's sorting out the sense. she's

the war on common sense. she's very don't go very glad she's don't go anywhere a huge amount still >> we have a huge amount still to come. we're going to be talking reform uk's richard talking to reform uk's richard tice in this studio. he's under fire his to ukraine. fire about his trip to ukraine. don't a brighter don't go anywhere a brighter outlook boxt solar , outlook with boxt solar, sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello. good morning. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast . of cloud across the uk . a lot of cloud across the uk today with outbreaks of rain in many places, but it will be many places, but it will also be mild. got our weather mild. we've got our weather coming in from the southwest though. are though. southwesterly winds are pushing damp pushing cloudy and damp conditions across the country. yeah there'll be bit of snow yeah there'll be a bit of snow over tops of scottish over the tops of the scottish mountains, this mountains, but generally this is wet that's moving in wet weather that's moving in a chilly but bright star in the far northeast before the rain moves in during the afternoon and the rain will be on and off in many places. most damp in the west, driest towards the south—east, mild everywhere 12 or 13 celsius. now in the far west. some brightness as we end

the day, albeit with a few showers coming along, but for many we keep the rain going overnight again, heavy at times and persistent across western and persistent across western and eventually central parts. in fact , the rain, if anything, fact, the rain, if anything, p9ps up fact, the rain, if anything, peps up overnight, heading south eastwards as the night progresses , followed by showers progresses, followed by showers and cold, rare , perhaps a touch and cold, rare, perhaps a touch of frost in the far north under any prolonged clear spells, but enough of a breeze, i think, to keep generally frost free conditions . now we say goodbye conditions. now we say goodbye to the rain first thing friday, then brighter skies across much of the country. plenty of sunshine for england, wales, southern and eastern scotland, parts northern ireland at parts of northern ireland at times skies. but times seeing blue skies. but there will be quite a number of showers into northern ireland. parts central northern parts of central and northern scotland, the scotland, some snow over the tops mountains, blustery tops of the mountains, blustery here, fine elsewhere . here, fine elsewhere. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boiler dollars. sponsors of weather on gb news . weather on gb news. >> up next, richard tice is

going to give us his thoughts on labour and the tories plans to tackle knife crime. whether it's all gimmickry, it's all coming up britain's newsroom, gb up on britain's newsroom, on gb news of course, the news we are, of course, the people's channel. stay with .

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this is britain's newsroom on gb news with me. bev turner and andrew pierce. >> attacking zombie knives. today the government's going to >> attacking zombie knives. tod.its:he government's going to >> attacking zombie knives. tod.its third ivernment's going to >> attacking zombie knives. tod.its third attempt|t's going to >> attacking zombie knives. tod.its third attempt since ing to >> attacking zombie knives. tod.its third attempt since 2016) see its third attempt since 2016 to them . the nauru to finally ban them. the nauru is being introduced to parliament won't take effect, though, september. home though, until september. home secretary james cleverly had this to say. >> when i became home secretary, i made the immediate decision to go to put forward this go further to put forward this secondary legislation to support what we've already done to make the possession of zombie knives illegal and to close the loophole so i'm very pleased with taking action now and will be determined to get these knives off the streets. i mean , knives off the streets. i mean, while the labour leader, sir keir starmer, is launching a new youth program, young futures , to youth program, young futures, to tackle knife crime . and that tackle knife crime. and that awful killers to be sentenced, valdo kallocain is being sentenced at nottingham crown court today after his guilty pleas to three counts of manslaughter by reasons of diminished responsibility were accepted by prosecutors . accepted by prosecutors. >> our reporter, will hollis, has more .

has more. >> and the families of kalakani's victims are due to arrive here at nottingham crown court any moment now to see what will become of their children's and father's killer. >> and no to army draft . downing >> and no to army draft. downing street has shot down comments by the head of the uk army that we all must be ready to train and equip for future conflicts . equip for future conflicts. and that sentencing is controversial, isn't it? >> because he was allowed to plead guilty to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility, so people say, oh, he was ill. he should have been convicted of murder, in my view. well the line? view. well where's the line? >> interesting, it? >> it's interesting, isn't it? paranoid had paranoid schizophrenic also had been sectioned four times and was still walking the streets. >> he was the embodiment of evil , i'm afraid. >> let us know your thoughts this morning.

vaiews@gbnews.com. first, though, the very latest news vaiews@gbnews.com. first, thou�*tatiana very latest news vaiews@gbnews.com. first, thou�*tatiana sanchezst news vaiews@gbnews.com. first, thou�*tatiana sanchez . news with tatiana sanchez. >> beth, thank you very much. these are your top stories from the newsroom. the government's defending its record on tackling knife crime amid a third crackdown in just eight years. the home secretary says the new restrictions are aimed at closing what he called a loophole that allowed some types of zombie style knives to be sold. james cleverly says the fresh legislation will strengthen the definition of the dangerous knives . dangerous knives. >> i became home secretary. i made the immediate decision to go further to put forward this secondary legislation to support what we've already done to make the possession of zombie knives illegal and to close the loophole. so i'm very pleased with taking action. now we have seen a reduction in crime. we have a plan to drive it down further . that have a plan to drive it down further. that plan is working. we're determined to take these knives off the streets .

knives off the streets. >> however , former met police >> however, former met police detective peter bleksley told gb news only clear and robust policing , coupled with stop and policing, coupled with stop and search, can keep the streets safe. i'm not going to criticise the further legislation if the government want to push that through , then absolutely fine. through, then absolutely fine. >> but it's not really tackling the nub of the matter. there is an absolute epidemic of knife crime in our country. people are losing their lives on virtually a daily basis, and that's not to mention all the people that get stabbed and only survive due to the brilliance of the surgeons and the nurses and the doctors. it is absolutely out of hand . it is absolutely out of hand. >> questions remain over the downing of a plane near russia's border with ukraine yesterday that killed all 74 people on board. the kremlin is accusing ukraine of targeting the aircraft, which it says was carrying prisoners as part of a planned exchange. ukraine hasn't

confirmed whether it opened fire. it says a prisoner swap was due to take place, but russia did not inform them of how the prisoners would be transported or of an approaching aircraft. ukraine's president vladimir zelenskyy says more clarity was needed, but it's clear russia is playing with the lives of ukrainian prisoners and their loved ones . a 17 tonne their loved ones. a 17 tonne consignment of family sized tents will be flown into gaza today as part of an agreement between britain and qatar. it's after the foreign secretary's trip to jerusalem yesterday, where he called on the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, to consider a two state solution with the palestinians. netanyahu recently rejected that proposal , recently rejected that proposal, saying it would endanger the state of israel . lord cameron state of israel. lord cameron warned of unimaginable suffering in gaza and called on israel to open up more crossing points into the area . into the area. >> it's important that we have treble british aid and what you can see behind me is more aid going in. but you're right, it's vital we can actually get it into gaza and crucially, once

it's in gaza , get it around it's in gaza, get it around gaza. what i was saying yesterday to the israelis, they've got to deal with the bottlenecks. they've got to make sure the crossing points are open more often. they've got to make sure the checking is done more . they've got, more quickly. they've got, crucially, to give the visas to the un staff and the trucks that the un staff and the trucks that the un staff need to get the aid around gaza . around gaza. >> more work is needed to tackle obesity among children amid warnings that increases due to the covid pandemic could cost more than £8 billion, a new study found. obesity in england rose significantly among those aged four and five, and ten and 11 years old, researchers warned that costs will climb because overweight children and teenagers tend to become obese adults. they cited home schooling and staying indoors dunng schooling and staying indoors during lockdowns as the key reasons for that increase . the reasons for that increase. the ghanaian equivalent of the crown jewels will be sent back to the west african nation as part of a loan from the victoria and

albert museum and the british museum . the 32 precious items museum. the 32 precious items were taken during wars in the 19th century. they include a sword of state, gold badges worn by officials of the king, and a gold peace pipe. the museums are prevented by law from returning the items permanently, but v&a director tristram hunt says there's a responsibility to share objects with their countries of origin wherever possible , and two statues possible, and two statues commemorating australia's colonial history have been vandalised in melbourne as the country prepares to mark its annual australia day. police are investigating after a century old statue of captain cook was sawn off at the ankles in a popular park. the monument was also graffitied with the words the colony will fall elsewhere , the colony will fall elsewhere, a statue of queen victoria in the city centre was covered in red paint . it comes as the red paint. it comes as the country prepares to mark its controversial australia day tomorrow, which observes the arrival of the first fleet of british ships in 1788. australia

whose government recently ruled out a referendum on becoming a republic in the near future . republic in the near future. those are your top stories on gb news across the uk on tv , in news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital, radio and on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to andrew and . bev and.bev >>1007 and.bev >> 1007 thank you for joining and.bev >> 1007 thank you forjoining us >> 1007 thank you for joining us this morning. you've been getting in touch at home about this idea that we all be this idea that we might all be conscripted, though the conscripted, even though the government had been at pains to say, going say, this is not going to happen. you can all calm down and unpack your suitcases. tim has said, i am 53, fit and healthy, semi—retired. run healthy, semi—retired. i can run ten shoot well with ten miles and shoot well with a rifle. our reserves, however, rejected . why rejected my application. why does not older men does the army not want older men 7 does the army not want older men ? good point. and army >> good point. and an army veteran says force is a veteran, ian says the force is a great privately great careers for privately educated, officers educated, privileged officers and not for ordinary working class men and women. it's not all what it seems . sorry to hear all what it seems. sorry to hear that was probably that ian thought it was probably was a good career option. >> and 53, not >> and also tim, 53, is not older. i just older. let's be honest, i just want to point that out as well,

says richard giggling to says richard tice, giggling to my to you in a my left. we'll get to you in a minute, as minute, guys, craig says. as someone who spent over 40 years in or the army reserves, someone who spent over 40 years i|have or the army reserves, someone who spent over 40 years i|have or thhave1y reserves, someone who spent over 40 years i|have or thhave seen serves, someone who spent over 40 years i|have or thhave seen many. i have been. i have seen many so—called defence reviews. the recruiting process is now the responsibility of a cv company and it can take months to actually get in the reserves, leaving a lot recruits leaving a lot of recruits disappointed willing to disappointed and not willing to carry the process. how interesting. >> when i was growing up, there was an army recruitment office in swindon high street and i think every town. think they were in every town. amazing because in amazing because the army in those days, was career those days, it was a big career opfion those days, it was a big career option was really and option and it was a really and everybody went in. >> yeah. um, good morning. richard tice , we will bring you richard tice, we will bring you in. and also sam fowles is here, one of our favourite men from the. >> you what do you >> would you what do you think about conscription. what do you think was he think about that, jen? was he just embarrass the just trying to embarrass the government contraction government over the contraction of suspect was being very >> i suspect he was being very strategic. the reality is that our armed forces have been hollowed yeah hollowed out. hollowed out? yeah over the last 14 years. i resigned from the conservative party back in 2011 over the then strategic defence review, which was a disgrace. then so yeah, i

got pretty strong views about it. to have a strong it. you have to have a strong deterrent . mean, best way deterrent. i mean, the best way to prevent war is, is to have a strong deterrent . and the way to strong deterrent. and the way to guarantee peace is prepare for war. as you know, i've just come back last night from ukraine, which i've never been to a war zone before. it's absolutely extraordinary where you see a whole society mobilise for war to the extent where you've got 12 year old children in their bedrooms after school helping to design and develop drones for the war effort. and that's the sort of whole society , because sort of whole society, because they don't want to be invaded by russia . and it was russia. and it was extraordinary. so i was there andifs extraordinary. so i was there and it's quite i've taken a bit of flak from certain folk, a lot of flak from certain folk, a lot of flak from certain folk, a lot of flak you have, but we've just just to interrupt you just starting to interrupt you because we've some we because we've got some stuff we want you. want to show you. >> before respond >> richard, before you respond to a few people to this, um, a few people weren't about this. to this, um, a few people weren't is about this. to this, um, a few people weren't is some about this. to this, um, a few people weren't is some examples. :his. to this, um, a few people weren'tis some examples. we so this is some examples. we just let the public. so just want to let the public. so roberta has said richard tice is in ukraine helping the in ukraine helping to keep the war vote for the

war going. don't vote for the reform richard reform party, rob said. richard tice should have raised money to support homeless veterans sleeping rough on our streets instead of flying over to ukraine to witness the delivery of a few four by fours. use your vote wisely, zach has said really stuff from really laudable stuff from richard over last 48 richard tice over the last 48 hours. although sad to hours. although it's sad to see a reform. uk supporter a lot of reform. uk supporter saying his stance in ukraine, uh, is saying what they're saying in the comments. make no mistake, if putin wins in ukraine will at war with ukraine will be at war with russia within it was russia within ten years. it was very listen. all right. >> yeah. listen. all right. >> yeah. listen. all right. >> just just get >> so let's just let's just get some the table. there's some facts on the table. there's over 4x4 pickups with over 1000 4x4 pickups with british number plates on that have taken over there by have been taken over there by british volunteers full of medical supplies to keep ukrainian soldiers alive in that critical first hour. because the suppues critical first hour. because the supplies we're taking over and i took over dozens of boxes in the back of the truck, i was driving . um, those are what the soldiers want. and literally there are hundreds of ukrainian soldiers alive today because of what we've been doing. and that was privately raised. donations

and the gratitude from ukrainian society for what we in the uk are doing raising that money is extraordinary. and you only sense it when you're there. but that last point is absolutely right. the ukrainians , they're right. the ukrainians, they're not only fighting to save their sovereign love, sovereign nation that they love, they're fighting for they're actually fighting for they're actually fighting for the the because the freedom of the west because if putin wins, anybody that thinks that he's just going to stop there and that's enough is at best, being deeply naive . at best, being deeply naive. they are fighting for the freedom of the west because he will go into he'll go into the baltic states. how we know that? >> i don't know why politicians talk with such confidence about that. >> who thought who thought he was going into ukraine? was going to go into ukraine? >> he's been going >> oh, he's been going on for eight absolutely. so, so you're >> so absolutely. so, so you're happy russian people. happy the russian people. so you're the you're happy to take the risk. >> when goes into one of >> so when he goes into one of those baltic states, you say, oh well, won't go the well, maybe i won't go to the next he won't go to the next one. he won't go to the next one. he won't go to the next one. he won't go to the next one. when are you to prepared stand up right against a the a bully? whether it's in the school whether school playground or whether it's nations, you it's a sovereign nations, if you don't a bully, they don't stand up to a bully, they will. they despise weakness and they advantage of it.

will. they despise weakness and the i'm advantage of it. will. they despise weakness and the i'm all advantage of it. will. they despise weakness and the i'm all for advantage of it. will. they despise weakness and the i'm all for defending of it. will. they despise weakness and the i'm all for defending thet. >> i'm all for defending the ukrainian people. think it's ukrainian people. i think it's horrific happened all horrific what's happened to all of over there. horrific what's happened to all of i over there. horrific what's happened to all of i can't over there. horrific what's happened to all of i can't i over there. horrific what's happened to all of i can't i can'tover there. horrific what's happened to all of i can't i can't quite 1ere. horrific what's happened to all of i can't i can't quite buy but i can't i can't quite buy into this idea that if we don't stop him there, he will progress, you know, toward across europe. >> but you're prepared to take the risk. said that you're prepared. he never said he was going he never said was going to. he never said he was going to. he never said he was going to. he never said he was going to invade ukraine. he going to invade ukraine. no, he didn't went he didn't before he went in, he said union. he said he wasn't going union. he never was going into never said he was going into ukraine, region. ukraine, donbas region. >> he wanted back. >> he wanted back. >> to prepared take >> so you're to prepared take the risk. >> p- p— e he goes into the the risk. >> he goes into the into >> so when he goes into the into the baltic states or into poland, do do then? poland, what do you do then? because haven't got the because we haven't got the weapons, got the weapons, we haven't got the people. very quickly, you're people. so very quickly, you're straight you straight to nuclear war or you just let him walk over all of us. that you're prepared just let him walk over all of us do?:hat you're prepared to do? >> i know, i just don't i >> i don't know, i just don't i don't have the same faith that that's his ambition. well, i don't he says. don't believe anything he says. >> more you, >> and i'm more with you, richard. farage, we richard. but nigel farage, we asked trip to asked nigel about your trip to ukraine yesterday. think we've ukraine yesterday. i think we've got clip what said. got a clip of what nigel said. this is nigel farage says this is what nigel farage says when would you when we asked would you go to ukraine richard this ukraine like richard tice? this is said. rookie of wars, is what he said. rookie of wars, your richard of

your colleague richard tice. of course speak to course we're going to speak to him later. he's in him a little later. he's in ukraine. he's taken a great convoy there. convoy of military aid there. are to you in a are we going to see you in a convoy ukraine taking convoy to ukraine taking military convoy to ukraine taking milnigel, think so. >> nigel, i don't think so. andrew. good for richard if andrew. no good for richard if that's people want to do , that's what people want to do, then them . then good for them. >> um, i, i just have this feeling about the ukraine war that nobody in a position of global authority seems to have even considered the option . even considered the option. >> maybe we can stop death on a massive scale and maybe sit down and start to have some investigation . investigation. >> eight from a position of deep weakness. i mean, a one sided. sorry, a one sided ceasefire is called surrender. the way to negotiate with someone like putin is he knows that you are a serious deterrent . if trump had serious deterrent. if trump had been president, serious deterrent. if trump had been president , there's no way been president, there's no way putin would have gone into ukraine wouldn't have ukraine because he wouldn't have been able to take the risk about what trump would have done. and that's how you create a grown up deterrent. that's what you've got do . so of course you

got to do. so yes, of course you sit negotiate , but you sit down and negotiate, but you do from position of strength. >> the irony is, course, if >> the irony is, of course, if trump may off the trump wins, he may cut off the aid ukraine. aid to ukraine. >> trump hasn't told people what to the whole point of >> that's the whole point of being an unpredictable negotiator the side. negotiator for the other side. don't know you're going negotiator for the other side. dorthat'sv you're going negotiator for the other side. dorthat's why you're going negotiator for the other side. dorthat's why evenj're going negotiator for the other side. dorthat's why even trump's; do. that's why even trump's detractors, the back end of his first terme, said actually , on first terme, said actually, on foreign policy, he was achieving things and rishi sunak was out there a week ago, and he pledged another £2.5 billion of taxpayer support for ukraine. >> are you comfortable with that ? >> 7- >> yeah. >> yeah. >> at a time when the nhs is in crisis and schools are in crisis , if you were running the country properly and we were growing, that would be you wouldn't that wouldn't be having that discussion . discussion. >> we've got no growth. they're running country very badly, running the country very badly, but it's not mutually exclusive. if can right. i if we can do both right. i repeat it if we repeat again that it if we degrade , if the ukrainians degrade, if the ukrainians degrade, if the ukrainians degrade , russian military might degrade, russian military might in in ukraine, then that is reducing the likelihood that russia will attack other western

allies interests . and that is a allies interests. and that is a very good thing indeed . and very good thing indeed. and look, the analogy with the homeless is a completely false analogy. we can do both . of analogy. we can do both. of course, we shouldn't have homeless veterans , but that's homeless veterans, but that's due to the incompetence of our own managers here. it's not because we said can't put any because we said we can't put any money there because we've spent it over there . we can do both it over there. we can do both and we do both really well. and we can do both really well. but can only do with but you can only do that with competent leadership and determination . and sadly, at the determination. and sadly, at the moment, that's not what we've got. >> we've also want to talk about knife crime. we've got with us. sam four fs, who is one of our favourite lawyers. often favourite lawyers. we often disagree. sam, the government have say going have finally say they're going to sale of to ban, um, the sale of zombie zombie it's taken since zombie knives. it's taken since 2016. this the third attempt. 2016. this is the third attempt. why so difficult to why is it so difficult to do something on surface something which, on the surface should well i, i should be simple? well i, i think it was an astonish thing. >> bit of incompetence. the first bit of drafting for this, this bill, they the first attempt to ban these zombie knives said they're going to ban knives said they're going to ban

knives if they've got a curved or a serrated edge or a certain type of shape and, and if they include anything on the knife that indicates that it's going to be used for a violent purpose , it's i don't know if you've seen these these knives, they look like something out of a video game. what other video game. quite. what other purpose be used for. purpose they could be used for. you're to chop carrots purpose they could be used for. you'rthem. to chop carrots purpose they could be used for. you'rthem. but to chop carrots purpose they could be used for. you'rthem. but all chop carrots purpose they could be used for. you'rthem. but all that) carrots with them. but all that manufacturers took manufacturers did was just took all writing off the off all the writing off the off the knives and pictures. and so knives and the pictures. and so they immediately exactly the same knife became lawful again. and it was just an unnecessary caveat. and that's just a technical mistake that people are making. however we don't want to be too harsh on them because ultimately we do use knives in our day to day lives. we use knives for cooking. we use use knives for all sorts of things. so you can't just say anything with a blade. is out. so drawing a line is problematic, is difficult . but problematic, is difficult. but in this case, they did it in a very bad place. essentially >> so now what's what are the changes now then that that we i

hear what you're saying because it was a branding. so on these knives it might have said people think does mean. it think what does that mean. it might something might have said something like kill knife down kill a zombie knife down the side was some of the side of it was some of the branding. you could buy it online. that online. and apparently that would thing have would make a good thing to have in your bedroom. um, they've taken that was taken that away. that that was one things is now one of the things which is now that first round. what that was the first round. what are they doing now, sam? that means will be banned again. >> the key thing was change >> so the key thing was change this, this provision. so it's now purely based on the shape of the knife. so which is seems to be fairly obvious, but the government are also going further . and they're talking further. and they're talking about mandatory minimum sentencing. if you're you're caught carrying them. and so harsher harsher penalties and again i think it's right that these things should not be in these things should not be in the public in the public sector. and you shouldn't be able to run around with one simple plea, just getting harsher and just looking tougher might get a few of them off the streets , but of them off the streets, but ultimately it's not going to solve the problem of why people

want these things in the want to have these things in the first place. >> that's systemic >> and that's a systemic problem, it? and they've problem, isn't it? and they've got grips with is it got to get to grips with is it an absence father figure? got to get to grips with is it an (sorry. e father figure? got to get to grips with is it an (sorry. gangs. :ather figure? i'm sorry. gangs. >> utter incompetence >> it's the utter incompetence of government , this latest of this government, this latest thing they talk we might thing they talk about. we might bnng in thing they talk about. we might bring in in september. i know bring it in in september. i know how to die how many people are going to die by definition of by september. my definition of urgent by the end of urgent is today or by the end of the week. it's ridiculous , this the week. it's ridiculous, this stuff. and i'm sorry anybody caught carrying a knife, i'd take build a thousands take them. i'd build a thousands of detention places. i'd take them the streets 3 to 5 them off the streets 3 to 5 years. no messing, no nonsense, no waffle. and i'll tell you what people will learn that you don't carry a knife . don't carry a knife. >> they can do it quickly because the dangerous thing >> they can do it quickly be get ;e the dangerous thing >> they can do it quickly be get the |e dangerous thing >> they can do it quickly be get the bully gerous thing >> they can do it quickly be get the bully gerouoff thing >> they can do it quickly be get the bully gerouoff the thing to get the bully dogs off the streets went through in a matter of . of days. >> look the incompetence of >> look at the incompetence of this over. um, barnaby this tragedy over. um, barnaby weber. awful and just awful . and weber. awful and just awful. and it's pure incompetence and it's just not good enough for people to sit there and say, well, that's a breach of civil liberties. and you know, if you don't create a deterrent. back to the previous discussion , then to the previous discussion, then then bad people will take

advantage of it, whether it's people on knife crimes, drug gangsters criminals here in gangsters and criminals here in the uk or dictators over in ukraine, labour are talking about their proposals today . about their proposals today. >> they do not mention, stop and search them . isn't that a big search them. isn't that a big part eliminating part of cracking eliminating knife getting the knives knife crime? getting the knives off kids? off the kids? >> think it's the opposite >> no, i think it's the opposite that the and you that actually do the and you know you can. it's all very well to tough and look tough and to talk tough and look tough and that's good politics. and that's that's good politics. and i'm, not going talk i'm, i'm not even going to talk to you about civil liberties today. know rarely for to you about civil liberties tod'uh know rarely for to you about civil liberties tod'uh i'm know rarely for to you about civil liberties tod'uh i'm just know rarely for to you about civil liberties tod'uh i'm just goingv rarely for to you about civil liberties tod'uh i'm just going toarely for to you about civil liberties tod'uh i'm just going to talk for me uh i'm just going to talk aboutisit me uh i'm just going to talk about is it going to work because you can send. fair because you can send. yeah. fair enough. someone jail for enough. send someone to jail for five if they're just going enough. send someone to jail for fivcome if they're just going enough. send someone to jail for fivcome out they're just going enough. send someone to jail for fivcome out and 're just going enough. send someone to jail for fivcome out and dojust going enough. send someone to jail for fivcome out and do exactlyng enough. send someone to jail for fivcome out and do exactly the to come out and do exactly the same thing again, get into the same thing again, get into the same gangs, live the same lifestyle, the lifestyle, struggle with the same causes that put them in that place in the the first that place in the in the first place, you've you haven't place, or you've you haven't solved problem. just solved the problem. you've just kicked down road for kicked the can down the road for five years. kicked the can down the road for five hang;. kicked the can down the road for five hang on. no. >> hang on. no. >> hang on. no. >> hang on. no. >> hang on, you've solved it for five they're in five years while they're in jail. number one. jail. that's point number one. point is their mates point number two is their mates will suddenly realise, well, jimmy's off for

jimmy's gone to off jail for five don't want that. five years. i don't want that. i'm a knife. i'm not carrying a knife. and. and if that the case, and but if that was the case, surely would happened. surely it would have happened. >> we've, we've had >> so far we've, we've we've had 20 you know, from blair. >> tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime, 20 years of just, you know, looking big just, you know, looking like big men harsher and men and doing harsher and harsher sentences. >> haven't what suggested. >> never worked. suggested. >> we'veer worked. suggested. >> we've hadyrked. suggested. >> we've had 20 d. suggested. >> we've had 20 years of waffle and no years of action and we've had no years of action and we've had no years of action and proper deterrence. that's the . the reality. >> but in practice, we have we have had we've seen the have we've had we've seen the sort of sentences for these sort of up . we've seen more of crimes go up. we've seen more people put in prison for these sort crimes, it's just sort of crimes, and it's just not you haven't not worked because you haven't deau not worked because you haven't dealt reason that dealt with the reason that people crimes in people commit these crimes in the first place. what would you do, ? do, sam? >> w a p— >> i would, as a lawyer, not a politician, but on. politician, but go on. >> and you mentioned >> and i bet you mentioned civil liberties. i'm going to do it without mentioning civil liberties. >> it's a bit like the news quiz, isn't it? um you need to invest in the in developing communities. we've seen . and i communities. we've seen. and i think we're going to talk about this in a moment. we've seen ten years of cuts to local authority . his to everything that

. his cuts to everything that can give people a stake in communities, give kids something to look forward to, a reason to want something better. and we've also seen ten years of kids just being told, whatever you do , being told, whatever you do, your life is likely to get worse and worse and worse every time we start to get on the right track, the economy crashes again and the solution is never. let's make people's lives better. the solution is always , let's be solution is always, let's be harsher on people . harsher on people. >> the devil makes work for idle hands, richard tice and all these teenage boys who've got nothing to do except sit around, watch violent videos on their phone. at the end of the day, they go out and they take a knife, either to defend themselves or to attack someone else, cool. actually else, or to look cool. actually no, go out to no, they don't all go out to take a knife. >> that's ridiculous. you >> that's ridiculous. what you want to school is to want them to do at school is to go to play sports and to be go out to play sports and to be engaged. we want youth engaged. and yes, we want youth centres yes, was centres and yes, it was ridiculous that too many youth centres closed centres were, um, were closed down. you've keep people down. you've got to keep people busy can do that in busy and you can do that in a variety of ways. but the idea that they're just going to resort a knife because

resort to a knife because they've got nothing else to do is absurd. people weren't doing that when all that 40 or 50 years ago when all youngsters were probably worse off than the opportunities we've got today. i tell you what, i think it's because it's just it's a lack of moral fibre and proper deterrence and proper respect for law and order and just just one last word on that note is katharine birbalsingh. >> i she's a friend of >> i know she's a friend of yours. the britain's strictest head. she's been in the press all week. are you glad? i am glad that the way she runs that school now. school is front and centre now. >> mean, i've been >> absolutely. i mean, i've been to that school. it's remarkable. she the finest results. she achieves the finest results. yeah in a deprived yeah from a school in a deprived area. it's a converted office building without a playground. and i don't think many of her children are picking up knives when they go home. >> prime minister richard tice, are to make all are you going to make all schools strict? schools like britain strict? his head not going to answer that. >> we've run out of time anyway. >> we've run out of time anyway. >> richard see you >> sam. richard great to see you both. to be talking both. we're going to be talking about this awful case. just after this is, of after the break. this is, of course, killer. valdo course, the triple killer. valdo kalakani students. kalakani killed those students. grace o'malley kumar, barnaby

webber and school caretaker ian coates. he's going to be sentenced today. we'll have the very that. is very latest on that. this is britain's newsroom on .

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news who's . news who's. >> 1026 with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner now osvaldo calican is being sentenced at nottingham crown court today

after his guilty pleas to manslaughter were accepted. the court heard he was suffering a serious mental illness he serious mental illness when he stabbed in stabbed three people to death in nottingham. if you can't remember tragic incident, remember the tragic incident, here's from when it broke here's a clip from when it broke on show. well ongoing on this show. well ongoing breaking news. police are deaung breaking news. police are dealing with a major incident in nottingham which seen the dealing with a major incident in nottcentren which seen the dealing with a major incident in nottcentre effectively seen the dealing with a major incident in nott centre effectively closedthe city centre effectively closed down, the tram network suspended. right. suspended. that's right. >> we're going to speak to an eyewitness now who saw the events unfold . events unfold. >> an undercover police car and armed police had run out. um, and what we saw, uh, man had been dragged out of a white van. he'd been tasered. he'd been pinned down. essentially, he was resisting arrest. slightly. um but the police eventually, um, did arrest him. and then more police later. um turned up to me that it might be terrorism . that it might be terrorism. >> and we're just hearing, mark, that there are three people are dead. >> is that's confirmed? >> is that that's confirmed? we're we're just we're hearing which we're just heanng . hearing it now. >> been confirmed by the >> it's been confirmed by the police it's a story. police. it's a story. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so he's being sentenced at nottingham crown court. joining

us from the court is our reporter, will hollis . reporter, will hollis. >> morning. well what are we expecting to hear and at what sort of time ? sort of time? >> yes. well, this will be the final time that not only osvaldo calican, who also goes by the name adam mendez , who admitted name adam mendez, who admitted the killings of barnaby webber. grace o'malley kumar and ian coates last summer. but it is also the final time that those victims families will be arriving here to see what will become of their children and fathers killer. we're expecting the sentencing singh to appear live as major cases do now happen. live as major cases do now happen . broadcast for you on tv happen. broadcast for you on tv at around 1130 for the last week. what we've been hearing are victim impact statements spoken by the victim's families , spoken by the victim's families, as well as psychic, psychic patrick reports into the state of aldo kalakani's mental health. valdo calican pleaded

under the grounds of diminished responsibility because he has paranoid schizophrenia and was not able to plead guilty to murder. now the family has actually just arriving here. they're stepping outside of minibuses and you can see in the background all of the cameras and journalists waiting because this is not just a significant case for nottingham. this is a significant case for britain . significant case for britain. >> all right. sam, will hollis at nottingham crown court and we're joined now by julia taylor who's a psychiatric nurse. we're joined now by julia taylor who'sthe sychiatric nurse. we're joined now by julia taylor who'sthe griefatric nurse. we're joined now by julia taylor who'sthe grief for: nurse. we're joined now by julia taylor who'sthe grief for thesez. we're joined now by julia taylor who'sthe grief for these three julia, the grief for these three families is . is all the worse families is. is all the worse because this was entirely avoidable, because this young man had been detained under the mental health act three times and he should not have been walking the streets . well, it is walking the streets. well, it is it's an absolute travesty for the families. >> i can't begin to i mean, my heart goes out to them all. it must be awful. um he was detained, but then he was clearly he was obviously risk

assessed as not a risk to others. otherwise he wouldn't have been out and about. others. otherwise he wouldn't have been out and about . julia, have been out and about. julia, who i also know . who i also know. >> so i'm just going to. sorry. carry on. i'll let you finish. we have so many questions. carry on. >> i was i also know that the police were after him for nine months. i believe now . so was he months. i believe now. so was he on medication ? that's what i on medication? that's what i would like to know. that was he taking his medication? was he in the. he obviously was being nursed in the community. did he have vpn there. wouldn't have have a vpn there. wouldn't have couldn't have discharged him from would have from services that would have had at what's known as had to do at what's known as a117 review. at least yearly, to make sure that he's safe to be out in the community. i i can't get my head around how it actually happened. to be fair , when. >> so in your experience , when >> so in your experience, when you work with patients who have paranoid schizophrenia like that, have you had times when you've seen them walk out of the door from your ward and you know they have the potential to cause violence .

violence. >> no, i haven't, i used to work in forensic mental health nursing, which is criminals in mental health hospitals. and i've got a lot of experience with patients with schizophrenia and what happens is they get risk assessed before they even leave the ward . they can't get leave the ward. they can't get out that there have to be let out that there have to be let out by somebody . they have to be out by somebody. they have to be checked when they come in to make sure they haven't got any weapons or anything that's dangerous . they always get dangerous. they always get spoken to before they go out that they're seen by a consultant. every single week, at least weekly , and they're at least weekly, and they're seen by their nurse every day and spoken to. they're included in groups. we always risk assessed people. that's why i can't get my head around somebody who was that paranoid that was he was clearly hearing command hallucinations that made him then go on because he said voices were telling him to do that. that made him then go on to kill those people. how did that get missed? >> so i'm just going to say, what? just tell our audience

kind of what paranoid schizophrenia is. what does it involve in the for the person? what kind of treatment is there? >> yeah. sadly schizophrenia is awful. it's a horrible , awful. it's a horrible, debilitating condition where you either get visual or auditory hallucinations or both . and you hallucinations or both. and you can also have delusional ideas where you can. you may think things, you may think you might get command, hallucinations, people telling you to do things. and this is constant, constant, constant . the only treatment constant. the only treatment really for schizophrenia is talking therapies. and combined with usually antipsychotic medication . was he taking his medication. was he taking his medication. was he taking his medication ? had he been missing medication? had he been missing appointments, was he to be seen? was he having a depo? was he having oral meds? i don't know the ins and outs of it all to be able to make a proper judgement, able to make a properjudgement, but but it sounds to me like he's been at high risk and it's been missed. but if somebody if i was in the community now and i

was to be seeing a patient with schizophrenia, with a with a risk history and he didn't come to that appointment, i'd be worried i'd be wanting him. found i'd be wanting them checked. has he his meds? checked. has he had his meds? i would be contacting the police to for him, the police to look for him, but the police were already looking for him for nine months. >> okay. thank you. >> okay. thank you. >> julia. okay a really interesting thank you for your clinical insight. >> it is fascinating, isn't it? next we're going to find out why he was. next we're going to find out why he he's being for >> he's being sentenced for manslaughter and not as many of you who are watching listens program think murder. we're going to our barrister going to talk to our barrister sam fowles that. all that sam fowles about that. all that much your with much more after your news with tatiana . andrew thank you tatiana. andrew thank you much. >> it's 1033. these are your top stories from the gb newsroom. the government's defending it down. in just eight years. the home secretary says the new restrictions are aimed at closing what he called a

loophole that allowed some types of zombie style knives to be sold . james cleverly says the sold. james cleverly says the fresh legislation will strengthen the definition of the dangerous knives. >> i became home secretary . i >> i became home secretary. i made the immediate decision to go further, to put forward this secondary legislation to support what we've already done to make the possession of zombie knives illegal and to close the loophole. so i'm very pleased with taking action. now. we have seen a reduction in crime. we have a plan to drive it down further. that plan is working. we're determined to take these knives off the streets . knives off the streets. >> a man who killed three people in a stabbing spree in nottingham will be sentenced this morning. 32 year old osvaldo carl heneghan killed two students. barnaby webber and grace o'malley kumar and a school caretaker, ian coats. he pleaded not guilty to murder due to mental illness, but admitted to mental illness, but admitted to manslaughter. we'll have live coverage of that sentencing here on gb news . a 17 ton consignment

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>> 1040 is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner. so valdo kallocain is being sentenced at nottingham crown court this morning after his guilty pleas to manslaughter were accepted. so barrister and columnist prospective sam falls is still with us. sam, um, i don't get it. i know he's this man's got mental health issues, but it was a cold blooded slaying of three, two young kids on their way back from a university night out and a care school graduate who a caretaker he dragged out of his van. and then he tried to kill more people. . people. it's murder. >> um, i think the first thing to really be clear about is the sentence could be the same. >> a court has the same sentence and powers. it can go all the way up to life for this sort of manslaughter. >> could you do it? could you do a whole sentence? manslaughter? >> whole life for >> you can have a whole life for this manslaughter. you this sort of manslaughter. you can a whole life tariff. can have a whole life tariff. the reason they've called it

manslaughter, murder, manslaughter, not murder, is because the because of what we call the mental element. because of what we call the mental element . right. and for mental element. right. and for murder , you have to the court murder, you have to the court has to know beyond reasonable doubt that you 100% mean varne to achieve the effect. what you did and the court can't. well, the court clearly thought in this case, or in fact, the prosecution thought in this case because they accepted the plea, they it to crown they didn't push it to crown prosecution . yeah. prosecution service. yeah. accepted that because he was schizophrenic and because he was therefore not in control of his own mind, he they thought they couldn't achieve that , that couldn't achieve that, that level of surety that you need for a murder conviction. >> do you buy that? would you, would you you've done would you you you've done a criminal is not your thing. but do you accept that i struggle with it? >> i think for me the focus would would always be on the results and, and on on making sure we get someone off the streets and we get someone a conviction that can lead to to a a certain sentence. so so i always take a very practical

approach and don't don't worry too much about the about the name that you put on it. on the other hand , speaking from a sort other hand, speaking from a sort of moral or political perspective rather than as a lawyer , it is it's not ideal lawyer, it is it's not ideal that in our law we call the same thing that you would get convicted for, for accidentally killing someone as a result of something that was completely, almost innocent . um, as someone almost innocent. um, as someone something that clearly is not innocent and clearly is deliberate, but because of a sort of tragic illness and in a lot of countries, we have different , different things to different, different things to reflect those , those different actions. >> we often bear little truck with the mental health card being played in certain situations . evans i do think, situations. evans i do think, though, with something as serious as long terme paranoid schizophrenia to effectively the court hasn't court have decided he hasn't faked many condition, has faked this many condition, has he? are there details about whether he was medicated or not? do we know? >> we know that he was on medication and was prescribed medication. and then when the police searched his flat, there was , i think, something like

was, i think, something like eight untaken eight months of untaken medication there. so he was supposed to be on it and wasn't taking it. now that is something the court might take into account when they're sentencing, because when they they consider when sentencing, they'll consider both aggregate aggravating and mitigating factors . so things that can make factors. so things that can make the sentence longer , the the sentence longer, the sentence shorter, it may be. they take into account the fact that he wasn't cooperating with his treatment plan at the time. right >> i was very struck by what the mother of barnaby webber said when she did victim when she did her victim statement impact statement , she statement impact statement, she looked eye called looked him in the eye and called him are him. she said, you are a murderer . so him. she said, you are a murderer. so she has no trouble with manslaughter and i think he will. >> 100% seem like that to the to the victims. and and this is, this is the fundamental problem we face, right, that we've because and the problem with much of british law is that it's , it's developed over a thousand years. we've not sat down and had a good think about this man's lawyer is something that has been knocking about for

centuries and has sort of evolved, evolved evolved, but it hasn't evolved to take account of these . what to take account of these. what we now know about mental health and the way we now understand the human brain. >> and, you know, putting myself in the shoes of those mothers and wife, of course, of ian coates, there as well. >> your grandpa, it? >> your grandpa, wasn't it? >> your grandpa, wasn't it? >> it be me? would you >> would it be me? would you sleep more easily night sleep more easily at night thinking a random thinking this was a random act of random acts of of un, uh, random acts of violence or that it was a mental health condition that there was a safeguarding risk assessment failure? i think the second is harder to deal with absolute because it shouldn't have happened. >> yeah. you didn't need to happen there's happen this and there's a there's a timeline going back to 2020 of this person's caloocan's involvement with mental health services is sectioned four times. >> yeah. >> yeah. indeed >> yeah. indeed and >> yeah. indeed and the >> yeah. indeed and the police were indeed looking for him because he, at the time a police officer to help officer who was trying to help him mental health. him with his mental health. >> but we've got remember >> but we've got to remember that we are dealing with a system that is a mental health services are not one system.

they're split over different agencies. are national, agencies. some are national, some local, and they're some are local, and they're they've been facing real terms funding cuts year after year. so the people that are handling these cases is are handling 30, 40 more cases at the same time. so and i don't want to omit for a moment excuse where someone made a mistake. it's clearly a mistake was being made. and i think ever make that made. think he'll ever make that made. that will be feeling it. we that will be feeling it. but we also system that doesn't also need a system that doesn't put in positions to make put people in positions to make these mistakes. >> got move on some, >> we've got to move on some, unfortunately, would unfortunately, and i would say i hopeit unfortunately, and i would say i hope it raises conversation hope it raises the conversation again, should bring again, whether we should bring back resident institutions. well, of them. well, more of them. >> they close them and they called it carrying the community. meant care. community. that meant no care. we nation of animal we are a nation of animal lovers, we not? lovers, are we not? >> apparently have more >> but dogs apparently have more protection under law than protection under the law than cats. did you know that as dog on dog attacks can reported on dog attacks can be reported to and motorists who to the police and motorists who hit a dog with their vehicle must it? same must report it? the same does not cats. i bet you not apply for cats. i bet you feel strongly. not apply for cats. i bet you feeiwell, strongly. not apply for cats. i bet you feeiwell, istrongly. not apply for cats. i bet you feeiwell, i lost gly. of my cats >> well, i lost one of my cats was run over and two of my cats were over over the years and were run over over the years and the stop. the motorist didn't stop. >> but was a dog, they'd

>> but if it was a dog, they'd have to, wouldn't they? >> that would law. >> that would be the law. >> that would be the law. >> campaign been launched >> that would be the law. >>equaliseaign been launched >> that would be the law. >>equalise rights been launched >> that would be the law. >>equalise rights of:)een launched >> that would be the law. >>equalise rights of cats launched >> that would be the law. >>equalise rights of cats and|ched to equalise rights of cats and dogsin to equalise rights of cats and dogs in britain. our reporter anna rather anna riley has this rather interesting anna riley has this rather intecat:ing becky still >> cat owner becky quain still suffers panic attacks after suffers from panic attacks after her was killed and she lost her pet was killed and she lost her pet was killed and she lost her beloved moggie , freya, in a her beloved moggie, freya, in a dog attack last month. but police were unable to prosecute the owner . the owner. >> by the looks of it, she died instantly . she, um, who'd got instantly. she, um, who'd got like the back of a leg and she obviously hadn't stood a chance because this dog was in xl bully who had jumped the fence and killed her and my sister's garden . um, i've gone into, garden. um, i've gone into, like, a state of shock. um, i couldn't be in the house because obviously they had her body in a box. and then, um, i've called the police being like, look, this has happened. an xl this has happened. it's an xl bully day. even though it happened my sister's happened on, like, my sister's garden and all this stuff, i couldn't actually do anything. >> freya's tragic death, >> after freya's tragic death, becky started a petition to strengthen legal protection for cats and to allow for

prosecution of dog owners whose dogs attack, injure or kill cats. >> i don't want other people as much as possible to go through what happened to me or my sister and all these people who have signed my petition because it's like over 100,000 now, which i wasn't expecting. i love them , i wasn't expecting. i love them, i viewed my cats as my children. i don't have kids, but they are my kids. you know what i mean? and for her to be just taken away like that and then i can't even do anything legally. like we had to pay for her to be cremated at the vets . i to pay for her to be cremated at the vets. i didn't to pay for her to be cremated at the vets . i didn't even get an the vets. i didn't even get an apology from the owners. nothing like it's wrong. >> the calls to change the law are supported by the sheffield cat shelter, who have been working to help and rehome cats since 1897. cats should have the same rights, you know. >> they're family, pets and people who lose a cat to a dog attack or to a road traffic accident. you know, they feel the same trauma and the same loss that a dog owner does. so cats are just as valuable as

dogs, but at the moment, the law doesn't see that . it's only fair doesn't see that. it's only fair that have same rights that they have the same rights and protection. so if and the same protection. so if this petition, uh , you know, this petition, uh, you know, goes to a government level and they decide back the changes , they decide to back the changes, we'd love that. and it would give cats so more give cats so much more protection, really , with more protection, really, with more than 100,000 signatures on the petition , there's certainly a petition, there's certainly a strength of feeling from the pubuc strength of feeling from the public that more should be done to protect cats, says to legally protect cats, says anna riley, gb news operations are talking of cattiness. >> we've got carole malone in the studio. very nice. i nearly said, did you wait? >> do you know what save that joke, i nearly said, talking of cats and thought, well, cats and dogs, i thought, well, that sound awful because that would sound awful because you're looking fabulous. that would sound awful because you're lwe've| fabulous. that would sound awful because you're lwe've als01lous. that would sound awful because you're lwe've also gots. that would sound awful because you're lwe've also got author and >> oh, we've also got author and broadcaster hodgson broadcaster nichi hodgson in the studio us. morning lady studio with us. morning lady malone a great dog lover malone is a great dog lover has to be said. >> i am a big. >> i am a big. >> massive lover. i'm >> i'm a massive dog lover. i'm just them a story about just telling them a story about how my little dogs got arthritis in his shoulders and he's just five. it. five. i can't believe it. >> does that fortune? >> so does that cost a fortune? >> so does that cost a fortune? >> will cost a fortune when

>> it will cost a fortune when he the stem cell treatment he has the stem cell treatment in him. >> you're stem cell? in him. >> amazing. stem cell? in him. >> amazing. stensame’ in him. >> amazing. sten same for my >> amazing. i do the same for my dog, though. >> i've got mini dachshund dog, though. >> i've got actually:hshund dog, though. >> i've got actually obsessed herbie. i'm actually obsessed with you really? yeah. >> are you really? yeah. yes. >> are you really? yeah. yes. >> so money is. >> so money is. >> money m >> so money is. >> money be no bar. no. >> in fact, i em- >> in fact, i once had a conversation with my husband. i said, how much would you pay to get herbie back if he was stolen? said, ten grand. stolen? and he said, ten grand. and what? i was and i was like, what? i was like, savings no, like, life savings going, no, no. ah, oh, well, my no. ah, yeah. oh, well, my goodness, to go. goodness, just about to go. >> i'm insured. right. >> well, talking of people for who more than sense who have more money than sense as we move to harry as well, should we move to harry and meghan carroll . what and meghan roane carroll. what have they've to have they done? they've gone to a jamaica. have they done? they've gone to a what jamaica. have they done? they've gone to a what they've1aica. have they done? they've gone to a what they've done is they've >> what they've done is they've gone premiere of a bob gone to a premiere of a bob marley movie in kingston and jamaica . but the controversial jamaica. but the controversial thing and god knows why they've gone there. i mean, are there such big bob marley fans? they have to cross a continent to get there. anyway, um, what the there. but anyway, um, what the crime that they've crime in quotes that they've committed posed committed is they have posed alongside jamaica's prime alongside side jamaica's prime minister, guy andrew minister, a guy called andrew holness. andrew holness has holness. now andrew holness has made clear made clear last made clear and made clear last year wills and kate were

year when wills and kate were visiting, that he wants jamaica separated from the commonwealth, from britain. he wants to break free. so much so that in fact he's he's to have he's he's got to have a referendum later this year to ask the jamaican people if they want to be separate. now, harry, harry knows full well that the queen, how much the queen loved the commonwealth. he knows that. and what what he's doing. this is like him sticking two fingers up the palace and just up at the palace and just saying, you know, here he's showing disdain for the showing his disdain for the institution posing alongside institution by posing alongside someone the monarchy someone who holds the monarchy in the commonwealth and similar disdain . but but really disdain. but but the really shocking thing is that you know, there is talk in jamaica that they want to be separated from us because they perceive britain. now to be a racist country . now that would fit in country. now that would fit in very well with meghan's agenda. who who also thinks britain is a racist country, but she particularly thinks that the monarchy is racist and that the royal family themselves are racist. so on every level this is an insult .

is an insult. >> do you think it was a deliberate two fingers up to the royal family then? >> nikki i do think it was deliberate, but i slightly disagree with carol because i think done for jamaica think what's done for jamaica with the commonwealth is the windrush scandal. i think so many people have just thought, well, what what was that for? i came i worked hard, i paid came here, i worked hard, i paid my served this country. my taxes, i served this country. and of said, and then you've kind of said, oh, don't respect right oh, we don't respect your right to this country. to stay in this country. obviously, know, jamaica obviously, you know, jamaica has been , what, been independent since, what, 1961. there's been a long 1961. so there's been a long time people to sort of time for people to sort of think, well, why do we still have head of state? have a british head of state? and charles knows and king charles himself knows that kind of that popularity is kind of waning. natural waning. i think it's natural that just part ways from them. >> i don't think that's a problem, actually, nikki, but i think guy to think the fact this guy wants to just the commonwealth, just break up the commonwealth, which really was hugely important to the and we important to the queen, and we know had stayed know if harry had stayed within the family, he was going the royal family, he was going to with his wife, who is to diploid with his wife, who is loves to tell us that she's a woman of colour, to do a lot of work in the commonwealth. so there he is, he is now there he is, here he is now posing for photographs with a guy it from

guy who wants to wreck it from within, which find, i think within, which i find, i think it's unconscionable. >> understand, but his >> i understand, but his opinion, belief, whether opinion, his belief, whether we believe his belief opinion, his belief, whether we be not, his belief opinion, his belief, whether we be not, that, his belief opinion, his belief, whether we benot, that, you his belief opinion, his belief, whether we be not, that, you know,3lief opinion, his belief, whether we be not, that, you know, uhf opinion, his belief, whether we be not, that, you know, uh , or not, is that, you know, uh, the commonwealth is effectively colonial , that we have treated colonial, that we have treated certain states, you know, with disdain. it disdain. harry is giving it credence but harry's giving it credence, but harry's giving it credence, but harry's giving it credence by being him. credence, but harry's giving it cre> $- @ about countries >> there's about 30 countries actually the commonwealth >> there's about 30 countries actualit's the commonwealth >> there's about 30 countries actual it's very commonwealth >> there's about 30 countries actual it's very difficult|wealth >> there's about 30 countries actual it's very difficult toealth >> there's about 30 countries actual it's very difficult to beh where it's very difficult to be 93v- where it's very difficult to be gay. because i've gay. absolutely, because i've been 2 them and i've been to 1 or 2 of them and i've thought, oh but but that's allowed. >> that's a of that's >> but that's a sort of that's a sort of nuance that harry and meghan won't think about a meghan won't think about in a situation like this, isn't it? >> their motives, >> i think their motives, by spite revenge think spite and revenge and i think that's this, this that's exactly what this, this is would you go to is about. why would you go to kingston, jamaica, to watch a movie? it

movie? yeah, seriously, watch it in watch california. >> watch it in california. >> watch it in california. >> noted you ? >> i've never noted it. had you? >> i've never noted it. had you? >> no, not at all. and i just think they're, they're they're , think they're, they're they're, they was going to get they know this was going to get them worldwide coverage. they need keep their profiles up them worldwide coverage. they ne make keep their profiles up them worldwide coverage. they ne make moretheir profiles up them worldwide coverage. they ne make more money)files up them worldwide coverage. they ne make more money)filgetip them worldwide coverage. they ne make more money)filget more to make more money to get more contracts. we know their popularity in america is waning. they're the of jokes that they're the butt of jokes that every big, every big gathering there so i think they there is now. so i think they did this on purpose . did this on purpose. >> you see, she might say, meghan might say, look, my, um , meghan might say, look, my, um, where was she from? or is she jamaican? roots, i can't jamaican? her roots, i can't remember where actually. she would afro—caribbean would say my afro—caribbean background important me. background is important to me. i am a woman, a mixed race woman of colour, and therefore i am now separated from the royal family i am free to go and support . support. >> separated a point. yeah >> separated to a point. yeah they'll have me. i'll have my kids titles and i'll keep my titles, promote issues that titles, promote the issues that are me, and i think are important to me, and i think she's of free to that. she's sort of free to do that. >> to do that, but >> she is free to do that, but it's just kind very it's just kind of very convenient that it comes off the back very, very negative back of that very, very negative press wills press trip that kate and wills went press trip that kate and wills werremember those terrible >> remember those terrible pictures shaking hands pictures of shaking hands through all that pictures of shaking hands throtof all that pictures of shaking hands throtof stuff? all that pictures of shaking hands

throtof stuff? but all that pictures of shaking hands throtof stuff? but also, all that pictures of shaking hands throtof stuff? but also, shethat kind of stuff? but also, she shouldn't as as a shouldn't be going as as a princess this is what she thinks. >> take the titles away, go and campaign for what you like, campaign for what you like, campaign for what you like, campaign for any you want, campaign for what you like, cam stopn for any you want, campaign for what you like, cam stop dragging you want, campaign for what you like, cam stop dragging title| want, but stop dragging the title around using to around with you and using it to make think that's what make money. i think that's what annoys a lot of people. their monetised annoys a lot of people. their monetise have keep the title right. >> ladies, we've come to the end of first section. sorry of that first section. sorry it's brief. will back it's so brief. you will be back in a little while, but still to come. we're come. generation fat, we're going has going to be discussing what has led increase in led to the largest increase in child obesity in decades and what we can do about it. >> they're eating. >> they're eating. >> they're eating too much. >> they're eating too much. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar the sponsors whether solar, the sponsors of whether on . gb news. on. gb news. >> i'm alex deakin, this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. >> the storms have gone. doesn't mean it's fine and sunny out there today though. a lot of cloud around some rain, but it is pretty mild. that's because we've got these weather fronts moving across country in moving across the country and in here between weather here between these two weather fronts, some pretty air, fronts, some pretty warm air, but is cloudy air as well.

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gb news. >> 11 am. on thursday, the 25th of january. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner greg morning. >> so tackling zombie knives today, we'll see. the government's third attempt since 2016 to ban soaked zombie knives, the new rules being introduced to parliament won't take effect until september, which the specific sorts of which see the specific sorts of knives and machetes being banned. home secretary james cleverly had this to say. >> when i became home secretary, i made the immediate decision to go further to put forward this secondary legislation to support what we've already done to make the possession of zombie knives illegal and to close the loophole . so i'm very pleased loophole. so i'm very pleased with taking action now and will be determined to get these knives off the streets . knives off the streets. >> and the labour leader, keir starmer, is also on the same agenda. he's launching a youth program called young futures to tackle knife our tackle knife crime. our political correspondent olivia utley the latest . on the utley has the latest. on the government's planning to close the loophole in the law on

zombie knives . zombie knives. >> but labour is saying it's just not enough. so what would keir starmer do differently? find out more with me very soon. >> and killer to be sentenced . >> and killer to be sentenced. waldo kallocain is being sentenced at nottingham crown court today after killing three people last year. court today after killing three people last year . we will bring people last year. we will bring you that as it happens and there woke award. >> yes, you've heard it. the brit nominations are out last year there were no women nominated in the gender neutral category . three can you believe category. three can you believe this? so this year they've more than doubled the number of nominees to try to get round it. they got rid of the male and female artists and then had artists of the year and the only five nominees were all men . you five nominees were all men. you be careful what you wish for. you woke mob, honestly. >> and so they've now got ten nominees and half of them , i nominees and half of them, i guess, will be men, and half of them will be women. well just

have separate categories. is drives let us drives me mad. anyway, let us know thoughts this morning. know your thoughts this morning. vaiews@gbnews.com. first though, latest though, with your very latest news tatiana sanchez . news here is tatiana sanchez. >> beth thank you. 11:02. these are your top stories from the newsroom. the government's defending its record on tackling knife crime amid a third crackdown in just eight years. the home secretary says the new restrictions are aimed at closing what he called a loophole that allowed some types of zombie style knives to be kept and sold. labour criticised the fresh legislation , saying it the fresh legislation, saying it still doesn't go far enough and claims its plan includes tougher penalties for online platforms caught selling those banned knives . but caught selling those banned knives. but james caught selling those banned knives . but james cleverly says knives. but james cleverly says the government is taking the right action. >> i became home secretary. i made the immediate decision to go to put forward this go further to put forward this secondary legislation to support what we've already done to make the possession of zombie knives

illegal and to close the loophole so i'm very pleased with taking action now. we have seen a reduction in crime . we seen a reduction in crime. we have a plan to drive it down further. that plan is working. we're determined to take these knives off the streets . knives off the streets. >> a 17 tonne consignment of family sized tents will be flown into gaza today as part of an agreement between britain and qatar. it's after the foreign secretary's trip to jerusalem yesterday he met with families of hostages who are still being held in gaza by hamas since the 7th of october. he also met israel's prime minister, benjamin netanyahu , calling on benjamin netanyahu, calling on him to again consider a two state solution with the palestinians , which he recently palestinians, which he recently rejected . lord cameron warned of rejected. lord cameron warned of unimaginable suffering in gaza and called on israel to open up more crossing points into the area . area. >> it's important that we have trebled british aid and what you can see behind me is more aid going in. but you're right, it's vital we can actually get it into gaza and crucially, once

it's in gaza, get it around gaza. what i was saying yesterday to the israelis, they've got to deal with the bottlenecks. they've got to make sure the crossing points are open more often. they've got to make the checking is done make sure the checking is done more quickly. they've got, crucially, visas to crucially, to give the visas to the un staff and the trucks that the un staff and the trucks that the un staff need to get the aid around gaza . around gaza. >> a man who killed three people in a stabbing spree in nottingham will be sentenced this morning. 32 year old osvaldo carl heneghan killed two students barnaby weber and grace o'malley cooma, at and school caretaker ian coates . he pleaded caretaker ian coates. he pleaded not guilty to murder due to mental illness, but admitted to manslaughter. we'll have live coverage of that sentencing over the next hour here on gb news. more work is needed to tackle obesity among children amid warnings that increases due to the pandemic could cost more than £8 billion, a new study found. obesity in england rose significantly among those aged

four and five, and ten and 11 years old, researchers warn that costs will climb because overweight children and teenagers tend to become obese adults. they cited home schooling and staying indoors dunng schooling and staying indoors during lockdowns as the key reasons for the increase . reasons for the increase. questions remain over the downing of a plane near russia's border with ukraine yesterday. that killed all 74 people on board. the kremlin is accusing ukraine of targeting the aircraft, which it says was carrying prisoners as part of a planned exchange. ukraine hasn't confirmed whether it opened fire. it says the prisoner swap was due to take place, but russia did not inform them about how the prisoners would be transported, or of an approaching aircraft. ukraine's president vladimir zelenskyy says more clarity was needed, but it's clear russia's playing with the lives of ukrainian prisoners and their loved ones . prisoners and their loved ones. the ghanaian equivalent of the crown jewels will be sent back to the west african nation as part of a loan from the victoria and albert museum and the

british museum . the 32 precious british museum. the 32 precious items were taken during wars in the 19th century. they include a sword of state, gold badges worn by officials of the king, and a gold peace pipe. the museums are prevented by law from returning the items permanently, but v&a director tristram hunt says there's a responsibility to share objects with their countries of origin wherever possible , and two statues possible, and two statues commemorating australia's colonial history have been vandalised in melbourne as the country prepares to mark its annual australia day. police are investigating after a century old statue of captain cook was sawn off at the ankles in a popular park. sawn off at the ankles in a popular park . the monument was popular park. the monument was also graffitied with the words the colony will fall elsewhere. statue of queen victoria in the city centre was covered in red paint . it city centre was covered in red paint. it comes as the country prepares to mark its controversial australia day tomorrow, which observes the arrival of the first fleet of british ships in 1788. australia's government recently ruled out a referendum on becoming a republic in the near

future . those are your top future. those are your top stories on gb news across the uk on tv , in your car, on digital on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to andrew and . bev to andrew and. bev >> let's see what you've been saying at home. 1107 knife crime karen has said one would only need to carry such types of fancy knives. if you wanted to kill or seriously wound someone, why would anybody else need such kill or seriously wound someone, wknife uld anybody else need such kill or seriously wound someone, wknife ?.d anybody else need such a knife? >> i think some of them carry them. it's like badge of honoun >> yeah, 100. >> yeah, 100. >> you'd only be in gang. >> you'd only be in my gang. you've carry gang you've got to carry one gang crime. richard says knife >> um, richard says knife carrying can only be sorted with a caught. hence, a risk of being caught. hence, stop is the stop and search. this is the best for this problem. best solution for this problem. >> didn't mention. >> yeah, labour didn't mention. stop search. of course, stop and search. of course, because contentious. because it's too contentious. yeah, um, this cats yeah, and um, on this cats versus the eyes of the versus dogs in the eyes of the law , uh, has said, what law, uh, gary has said, what about the number of wild, defenceless animals that cats kill when they're allowed

outside the house? >> keep them inside, and it's all you are. >> you are talking about rosie, who is my cat? >> you are talking about rosie, wh(and ny cat? >> you are talking about rosie, wh(and she at? >> you are talking about rosie, wh(and she is? >> you are talking about rosie, wh(and she is a predator. >> and she is a predator. >> and she is a predator. >> she killer. >> she is a killer. >> she is a killer. >> she is a killer. >> she mice . she's killed >> she kills mice. she's killed squirrels . and the worst part of squirrels. and the worst part of it is she brings them in. >> well, she's a chip off the old block then, isn't she, mr p now moving on. dangerous zombie style we've been style knives. we've just been saying by saying we'll be banned by the government attempt to government as they attempt to crack this of crime. >> is e“.- t third time >> this is the third time they've this, by the way. they've done this, by the way. under the new proposals, you can surrender into some surrender your blade into some form of beer surrender bins, surrender bins. shadow attorney general emily thornberry talked to us about this on gb news but we need to make sure that we do more and we work harder and the things that sadiq has done, he's been pushing in the right direction, but he needs a national government to work with as we do if as well, and what we would do if we in the national we were in the national government was that we would make sure that we all make sure that we had all kinds of place in order to of things in place in order to make sure that we pushed youngsters in another direction and away from crime.

>> so we would make sure that we had mental health workers in every single secondary school and part time mental health workers in primary schools . we workers in primary schools. we would hubs around the would have hubs around the country, 156 of them. that would be paid for where we would bring everyone in who whose job it is to keep kids out of the criminal justice system together in order to ensure that they work together . they identify the together. they identify the people who are likely to be at risk and make sure that they are pushed in another direction. instead said. >> well, joining us now is our political correspondent, olivia utley westminster for us. utley in westminster for us. good morning, olivia . is there good morning, olivia. is there any distinction between what labour would do and what the conservatives doing on conservatives are now doing on knives? think . knives? do you think. >> well, according to labour, they're absolutely is the conservatives today are toughening up existing laws that they've already made to outlaw zombie knives. the problem with those laws is that there were various loopholes in them. it wasn't possible for the police to seize zombie knives in a person's own home. um, unless

they had very good reason to believe that it would be involved in a serious crime. and that restriction has now been lifted. labour says, though, that it still doesn't go far enough, and what labour is promising well, firstly, promising to do well, firstly, it's a new sure start it's promising a new sure start style programme for, uh, teenagers who are found to be in possession of knives, they'll be referred to a programme whereby they'd be tagged, they'd have curfews , etc. they want curfews, etc. but they also want to close even more loopholes in the zombie knife law. what they're particularly worried aboutis they're particularly worried about is how easy it is to buy a knife online. lots of these web sites which sell knives have just boxes where you can tick a box and say, yes, i'm over 18 years old, very, very lax security checks, labour promised that they would toughen that up . that they would toughen that up. they also promised that they would, uh uh, change or amend the, the details on what sort of zombie knives are outlawed at the moment. it's a very specific type of knife which is defined as a zombie knife. it's got a

certain number of the blade is a certain number of the blade is a certain number of centimetres with two serrated edges, etc. labour says it would implement implement a much, much wider ban on all different kinds of knives. not simply these specific zombie knives. so that's how labour says it will go further than the conservatives obviously, all of this is much easier said than done.the this is much easier said than done. the conservatives have been attempting to outlaw zombie knives for, i think it's eight years now. they've actually released 16 different press releases on the government website talking about outlawing zombie knives and still they're having to close up loopholes . having to close up loopholes. this, this idea of trying to crack down on, uh , selling crack down on, uh, selling knives to young people online is obviously very, very laudable. but again , much easier said than but again, much easier said than done. and labour hasn't yet quite outlined precisely how it plans to go about doing that. and of course , there's still not and of course, there's still not complete clarity on how the funding would work. keir starmer hasn't announced any new funding for this project today . he

hasn't announced any new funding for this project today. he said he would draw on £100 million, which he's already announced. uh, youth funding. but it's uh, for youth funding. but it's not quite clear that those numbers add up. and that's what i think we'll be expecting to hear from the conservatives over the next few days. >> that's olivia utley. well with us the studio is henry with us in the studio is henry hill, deputy head of hill, the deputy head of conservative home. i to conservative home. i want to talk lot to talk to you. we've got a lot to talk to you. we've got a lot to talk to you. we've got a lot to talk to about, henry, but talk to you about, henry, but i nearly on my cup of nearly spluttered on my cup of tea when i heard emily thornberry, attorney thornberry, the shadow attorney general, saying sadiq khan's move direction. no move in the right direction. no he's mean, knife crime he's not. i mean, knife crime has his and has soared on his watch and we've than thousand we've had more than a thousand homicides in the eight years he's been mayor homicides in the eight years he"yeah,| mayor homicides in the eight years he"yeah,| imean, it's rare to >> yeah, i mean, it's rare to hear labour talk about sadiq khan moment. clearly khan at the moment. so clearly they felt they had to throw him in something. i mean, all of in on something. i mean, all of this treating symptoms this is just treating symptoms rather causes, right. rather than causes, right. because one of because you they ban one type of knife another knife and then there's another farmers banning farmers talking about banning ninja it's actually you ninja swords. it's actually you can kill someone very easily with a very boring basic knife. that's frightening that's the frightening thing about ownership does about them. and ownership does not crime rate not correlate to the crime rate we used to be. people would habitually carry, like flick knives on, and the knives and so on, and the crime rate very so rate was very low. so politicians will keep going

after easier after these, you know, easier targets rather than doing controversial stop controversial stuff like stop and punitive sentencing. >> mention stop sentencing. >> search. mention stop and search. >> sentencing. >> no, nor punitive sentencing. it's know, it's all about, you know, rehabilitation away the rehabilitation and take away the thing in a in thing that looks scary in a in a newspaper photograph. >> yeah. what was reaction >> yeah. what was your reaction when clarke's when you read simon clarke's article calling the tories to article calling on the tories to ditch rishi sunak? >> people remember, he's >> just so people remember, he's sir middlesbrough sir simon clarke, middlesbrough mp . he chief secretary to mp. he was chief secretary to the when rishi was the treasury when rishi was chancellor. they worked very closely together. welcomed chancellor. they worked very closyas together. welcomed chancellor. they worked very closyas toryther. welcomed chancellor. they worked very closyas tory leader welcomed chancellor. they worked very closyas tory leader back :omed chancellor. they worked very closyas tory leader back in ned chancellor. they worked very closyas tory leader back in 2022. him as tory leader back in 2022. marcus he said i know. him as tory leader back in 2022. marcus he said i know . a marcus he said i know. a deafening silence followed his intervention. >> i mean, i think i've got a particular perspective because at conservative home we have to cover conservative leadership contests in a lot of detail. >> let's not happen and we bear the scars of those and that means are acutely means that you are acutely aware of process . right? so of the process. right? so assuming well, how would how would getting richard rishi sunak the sunak work, you'd have the drizzle of letters going in. that would be a week, two weeks of bad stories. you get enough sorry. you you have the sorry. and then you you have the you vote . rishi you have the vote. rishi loses the now having the vote. now you're having a leadership contest. who's who steps up. there's no candidate.

there's no one with a clear alternative vision in place. it's obvious the it's not obvious that the conservative party would able conservative party would be able to around that to unite around one person. that means a means that you go to a membership ballot that takes weeks to organise, weeks of two candidates like liz and rishi, taking lumps out of each other in end of it, in public and at the end of it, the public has seen the tory party spend sort of 4 to 8 weeks entire gazing at its own navel dunng entire gazing at its own navel during a period of crisis, and you still don't any you still don't have any answers. no , the problem with answers. so no, the problem with this leadership stuff is fine , this leadership stuff is fine, rishi. rishi not doing a very rishi. rishi is not doing a very good that's good job at the moment. that's perfectly that perfectly acceptable. but that doesn't mean there's anyone else who i saw kemi badenoch, who's >> so i saw kemi badenoch, who's the darling the conservative the darling of the conservative home the darling of the conservative horshe's their popular >> she's their most popular minister. and i asked her about simon clarke's intervention and she just said nobody wants a leadership contest right now, not least because he wants to own that. they want him to own the election defeat . the election defeat. >> well, precisely. think about it. if you're somebody who wants to take over the leadership of the conservative there's the conservative party, there's going row going to be an almighty row after election about after the election about why

they about why they didn't they lost, about why they didn't move the country more move the country in a more conservative 14 conservative direction after 14 years no one wants years in office. no one wants to take points take over. when you're 20 points behind the polls, with behind in the polls, with six months the outside turn it months at the outside to turn it around, and a new poll today showing now on 13 points showing reform now on 13 points for the first time, only seven points the tories . yeah, points behind the tories. yeah, i mean, would be a very noble i mean, it would be a very noble thing for politician to thing for some politician to step over from rishi step up, take over from rishi sunak purely in order to try and shave few points shave a few points off the tories of error, then tories margin of error, and then be as tory leader for be sacked as tory leader for leading cataclysmic leading them into a cataclysmic bad election. there's no bad general election. there's no there's no candidate prepared to do that. there's no candidate prepared to do sot. there's no candidate prepared to do so what can they do? because >> so what can they do? because if are facing annihilation, if they are facing annihilation, they do something, henry. >> i mean, have to accept >> i mean, they have to accept that they're fighting a defensive campaign. defensive election campaign. they with a they have to come up with a strategy ruthlessly strategy that is ruthlessly targeted areas which targeted at like areas which they can keep onside. and that's going to be very difficult because in 2019, boris won a really broad but unwieldy coalition there's the red wall, there's blue wall, those there's now the blue wall, those safe seats that are safe tory seats that are threatened the liberal threatened by the liberal democrats. and all of those mps say it's absolutely vital that rishi digs the trenches rishi sunak digs the trenches where . but he digs

where they are. but if he digs all those trenches, not all of those trenches, he's not going any of going to able to defend any of them. so he's to have to them. so he's going to have to make really hard decisions about where resources, make really hard decisions about where he resources, make really hard decisions about where he concentrates urces, make really hard decisions about where he concentrates hises, make really hard decisions about where he concentrates his tax cuts in budget, and his cuts in the budget, and his problem is that every mp who realises their is on realises that their seat is on the outside of that bunker is going to kick off now going to kick off between now and they could try going to kick off between now and govern they could try going to kick off between now and govern as they could try going to kick off between now and govern as conservative :ry and govern as a conservative party, but what does that mean? this is the problem the tory has been.the this is the problem the tory has been. the tories have been in office since 2010. they've changed leader multiple times. they've times. a david cameron multiple times. a david cameron was that a conservative government theresa may, a different conservative government. liz truss, boris johnson, rishi and so no , johnson, rishi and so no, there's no agreement within the parliamentary conservative party and the is the tories and the problem is the tories have always been a fairly broad church. leader is church. but if a leader is strong, they've got the strong, if they've got the mandate electorate, mandate from the electorate, most of the time tory mps are a bit dogs. if you give bit like sled dogs. if you give them a bit of direction, they'll pull right direction. but pull in the right direction. but you put you can't do that if you're put in 20 points henry in 20 points behind henry because mega brain. because you're a mega brain. >> i want to you also >> i want to talk to you also about american politics. okay, here the news off sort here the news hot off the sort of media wires of alternative media wires at the moment michelle the moment is that michelle

obama be parachuted obama is going to be parachuted in summer to in sometime spring summer to take over from biden as the democrat candidate. you democrat candidate. what do you think about that? >> i mean, i personal we don't currently think it's very likely. i think this is a really sad thing about the dynastic state of american politics. we are talking about the are once again talking about the spouse a previous president spouse of a previous president running for president. spouse of a previous president running for president . biden is running for president. biden is not a great is not a great candidate. you know, he's clearly struggling . and the fact clearly struggling. and the fact that the democratic primary hasn't been able to put up a challenge against him is worrisome. and he picked a very unpopular president because unpopular vice president because normally expect vp normally you would expect the vp to the person would to be the person who would obviously the shoes obviously step into the shoes after biden, kamala after one time of biden, kamala harris, not harris, kamala harris is not popular possible . it's popular. so it's possible. it's certainly possible. american politics could do that. i'm not going to rule it out. but at the moment i would say it's maybe wishful thinking by democrats who they have who wish they they didn't have joe if she were the >> but if she were the candidate, be candidate, it would be transformative. i think she'd win . win. >> but then the >> she might. but then the interesting thing is one would she win? or she probably would. but america is even divided but america is even more divided than was sort of eight years

than it was sort of eight years ago. but the second thing is barack effect barack obama's halo effect did not his presidency. not survive his presidency. well, what would what well, we got what would what would michelle obama's presidency consist of? presidency actually consist of? i much about her i don't know very much about her politics her policies. politics or her policies. i guess just being donald guess just not being donald trump, so trump, but because he is so divisive . but but you can only divisive. but but you can only go so far with that kind of politics. what we're seeing in germany, what we're seeing in france, if just make france, is that if you just make your politics, not afd, your politics, we're not afd, we're rassemblement your politics, we're not afd, we're yousemblement your politics, we're not afd, we're you endilement your politics, we're not afd, we're you end upnent your politics, we're not afd, we're you end up leaving no national. you end up leaving no space and you leave them the entirety of the of the opposition to the status quo. so that's a very dangerous position to be in a nice centrist is not enough to govern america and solve america's problems. you need to have an actual contrary vision. and she might have one, but i've not heard about it yet . but i've not heard about it yet. >> what you do? what do you. >> what do you do? what do you. there's that there's one theory that the tories have the general tories will have in the general election the week after the american election. if trump wins , which he could, because he's certainly going to be in the republican candidate. way republican candidate. the way things that things are looking, that that would good for rishi because would be good for rishi because people would spooked . oh my

people would be spooked. oh my god, some stability god, we need some stability here. stick with the candidate . here. stick with the candidate. we know. that's one theory that's going on from some tory mps. fanciful to mps. sounds a bit fanciful to me. i basically people in me. i think basically people in british politics are far too invested in american politics, and they kind of read that onto the which is more the nation, which is much more sensibly kind of detached. >> british politicians >> so british politicians and journalists with >> so british politicians and jourhaving with >> so british politicians and jourhaving leadership. th >> so british politicians and jourhaving leadership. our not having our leadership. our general election campaign overlapped america's and overlapped with america's, and that's because that's mostly just because journalists will keep talking about election. about the american election. it's electorate it's not because the electorate will the will be confused about the issues . but no, don't think it issues. but no, i don't think it will much difference will make much of a difference either will be slightly either way, it will be slightly awkward for sir awkward for rishi and for sir keir if the election keir because if the election if the election ongoing the american election is ongoing , them will have to say , both of them will have to say relatively nice things about donald because is donald trump, because there is a realist, there is a realistic chance that as prime minister, they to with him they would have to work with him as yeah naturally as president. yeah and naturally uncomfortable for starmer. precisely. lost, if precisely. and if he'd lost, if he'd then they he'd already lost, then they could say donald awful, could say donald trump is awful, which them think. but if which both of them think. but if there was a realistic chance that become the that he's going to become the president ally, president of our biggest ally, then have be then they will both have to be very careful. the election very careful. on the election campaign. our lord we had

very careful. on the election ca earlier. our lord we had very careful. on the election ca earlier. the our lord we had very careful. on the election ca earlier. the weeklord we had very careful. on the election ca earlier. the week and we had in earlier in the week and i said him, give me in one said to him, give me in one word, kulveer ranger covid rangen >> thank you. us one word >> thank you. give us one word to the relationship to describe the relationship between and and between starmer and trump. and he bat he went he off hot off the bat he went awkward. i thought actually awkward. and i thought actually that brilliant just that was a brilliant word. just stay a minute, henry. stay with us a minute, henry. weren't labour are weren't you? labour are unveiling to tackle unveiling new plans to tackle knife crime today. did you groan? pierce shadow home groan? andrew pierce shadow home secretary, yvette cooper she's in and this is in buckinghamshire and this is what to say. what she had to say. >> nowhere near far enough. >> nowhere near far enough. >> and it's also. >> and it's also. >> it'sjust >> and it's also. >> it's just too little, too late . it doesn't include ninja late. it doesn't include ninja swords. it doesn't include a whole series of dangerous weapons and the penalties also aren't strong enough. >> they've been promising this ban on zombie knives for a long time, and it's still not going to come in until autumn . to come in until the autumn. >> we much faster action at >> we need much faster action at a time when knife crime has gone up a time when knife crime has gone ”p by a time when knife crime has gone up by a further 5. this year, 77% increase since 2015. this is an epidemic. we need action. >> why is there a particular focus on knife crime today and is this a particular problem, do you think in the east of england

? >> well, 7 >> well, there's been a serious increase crime, a 77% increase in knife crime, a 77% increase in knife crime, a 77% increase in knife crime, a 77% increase in the last eight years. a further 5% that it's increased in the last year alone. this is an epidemic affecting the entire country. we've got to have urgent action, including much stronger action on the knife crime sales that are simply not being dealt with by the government, as well as much stronger prevention, particularly among people particularly among young people too. okay. >> um, should government ministers ever talk about overall levels of crime without making clear that this measure misses some of the crimes that women worry about the most? >> i'm extremely concerned about about the missing information analysis on what's happening, about crimes against women . about crimes against women. >> there's real concern. some of the most serious crimes that we have , be it around domestic have, be it around domestic abuse and sexual assaults, some of the most serious crimes that the country faces . labour has the country faces. labour has set a plan to halve violence against women and girls, but that means we need the

information, we need the analysis and they need to be visible. we can't have these crimes simply being ignored . crimes simply being ignored. >> so what would labour do to make sure that so the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper, make sure that so the shadow home stalkingy, yvette cooper, make sure that so the shadow home stalkingy, yvet knives. er, they're talking about knives. >> enough, on the day >> funnily enough, on the day that government pushing that the government are pushing through some legislation about knives hill must be knives that henry hill must be a complete coincidence. >> absolutely yeah. no, >> oh, no. absolutely yeah. no, you the news agenda you can't have the news agenda with party doing something, with one party doing something, you good without the you know, good without the others. cracking down on others. like cracking down on the lake like an echo chamber. yeah and they each need to outdo the what of the other. but what neither of them if you if you them are doing is if you if you want to crack down on violent want to crack down on on violent crime, what you do is have crime, what you do is you have exemplary punishment for offenders, exemplary punishment for offprison, them there. to prison, you keep them there. yeah you do invest in strong rehabilitation programs so prisons turn crime prisons don't turn into crime schools, off schools, but you take them off the it the streets and you make it clear will get caught clear that you will get caught and you will get punished. but that's extraordinary. that's what's extraordinary. >> cooper, that's what's extraordinary. >> shadow cooper, that's what's extraordinary. >> shadow secretary,oper, the shadow home secretary, saying punishments saying the punishments aren't strong and sit here strong enough. and i sit here and is the and i go, who is the conservative party anymore? and who conservative party anymore? and wh(yeah, but but the thing is, >> yeah, but but the thing is, what is. you what she didn't say is. do you know punishments aren't know why the punishments aren't strong we don't

strong enough? because we don't build enough prisons, right? like got nearly like we have not got nearly enough prison places, which means years means that cases take years to get more likely get to court. you're more likely to a suspended sentence to be given a suspended sentence or a community sentence. and if you get a sentence, you serve you do get a sentence, you serve half so unless half of it. so unless labour come right, come in and say, right, we're going 20,000 new prison going to build 20,000 new prison places they won't, then all places and they won't, then all of is hot air, really. of this is just hot air, really. >> currently had no idea. >> and currently i had no idea. one you're caught one sanction, if you're caught with knife, one of zombie with a knife, one of the zombie knives, can write knives, you can you can write a letter that's it. letter of apology. that's it. to whom? to whoever? to the policeman or to the. >> you've actually >> if you've not actually committed with it. committed a crime with it. >> assume >> and that does assume that these can write. >> and that does assume that the yeah, can write. >> and that does assume that the yeah, butan write. >> and that does assume that the yeah, but i| write. it's you >> yeah, but i mean, it's you know, you've committed know, if you've not committed a crime with it, if you're just carrying the thing to me, you apologising, is you writing carrying the thing to me, you apthe|ising, is you writing carrying the thing to me, you apthe|ising for you writing carrying the thing to me, you apthe|ising for you wrthe| to the king for breaking the king's peace? >> that's right. >> you know, that's right. >> you know, that's right. >> waste of time and energy and bureaucracy and up with that? >> maybe lines. i'm big fan of >> maybe lines. i'm a big fan of bringing fashioned bringing back old fashioned punishments. sit down and write 100 not carry 100 lines. i will not carry a knife again. hill, great knife again. henry hill, great to see you usual. right. to see you as usual. right. still lock down ladies still to come lock down ladies tens. i didn't write that. did you write that? >> no. you written . i often use

>> no. you written. i often use that expression, lady, but we've got a lot of them. >> well, tens of thousands more children are growing up obese since going since the pandemic. we're going to talk to former presenter of fat families, miller. fat families, steve miller. you're with britain's newsroom on .

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kids, the schools mum and dad? >> well . i mean, first of all, kids, the schools mum and dad? >> well. i mean, first of all, a word on the fat shaming this country has got to get over it. we talk about fat shaming every time the fat. what time you use the word fat. what do they want us to start saying? oh, load. i mean, oh, you're a wide load. i mean, it is just ridiculous. um, i tell you what didn't happen. and this point . this this is a serious point. this government did not do , in my government did not do, in my opinion, a cost benefit analysis . this when they thought about all the terrible stuff they did for our kids during lockdown . for our kids during lockdown. and frankly , the result of it and frankly, the result of it has been that we've put a lot of kids now potentially on death row. the report that's out today, what they more kids now are at risk . today, what they more kids now are at risk. long terme of diabetes stroke and some cancers. i thought lockdown for children was horrendous. it suffocates their lives in such a way that we've never known before . it's suffocated their before. it's suffocated their learning. it's suffocated their movement. i've also got suffocated. their freedom . so suffocated. their freedom. so what happened was these poor kids were left at home with their parents and these kids

develop these bad habits of eating lots of junk food and i do have a degree of sympathy with the parents in terms of how difficult that must have been. so so actually, the lockdown was a disaster for children. what do we do moving forward? what do we do moving forward is we stop normalising obesity. we start talking about the danger of fat. more bluntly , we stop screaming more bluntly, we stop screaming and squealing. the words fat shaming. every time someone like me uses the word fat and parents actually start taking more responsibility because far too many parents do not take responsibility for their children, and they do allow their children to eat too much junk food. and by doing that , junk food. and by doing that, they are putting them on death row . i balance that with some row. i balance that with some superb parents, of course, who do a great job. >> it's not just junk food though , is it, steve? i mean, we though, is it, steve? i mean, we use phrase, but actually i use that phrase, but actually i think for me it's the constant

grazing . it's the poor school grazing. it's the poor school meals . it's too much choice . i meals. it's too much choice. i think when you have a school meal, you should be given one healthy meal, and that's it, and you or hungry , you eat it or you go hungry, frankly. that's a very old frankly. but that's a very old fashioned view of the world, isn't it? it's. and especially when children get older. so when they're teenagers and they're then to go and they get in then able to go and they get in then able to go and they get in the train home from school and on train platform on every train platform there's a machine that a vending machine that is dishing out chocolate bars and crisps. difficult. crisps. it's really difficult. i'm not excusing parents because i've three and a i've got three and it's a constant battle to get them to eat less but is. eat less sugar, but it is. it's almost sometimes like the almost sometimes feels like the weight industry is weight of that industry is absolutely against us. but we need what we need to do is we need what we need to do is we need to learn to regain control and to regain control. >> this is where the parents come in, who's giving the kids the money to spend in the vending a start, i vending machines? for a start, i mean , that's that's the first mean, that's that's the first bit. we need to do is bit. and what we need to do is we need to japan, japan we need to look at japan, japan have a great culture when it comes to managing obesity. and

managing child obesity. they're brilliant at it. they don't shy away from the discussion asian children are taught being fat is wrong. children do receive one healthy school meal , which is healthy school meal, which is which is great and generally speaking, you know, it's not a taboo subject to talk about how being fat is totally wrong because it potentially where do you draw the line between this? >> because you've got this body positivity movement? of course, in country, which i think in this country, which i think did service to the nation did a good service to the nation because it came at a time after sort of the kate moss supermodels. it came at a time of saying it may not be normal for you to be a size six or a size eight, and that's okay. but somehow excuse the pun, it ballooned into something greater than you've got than that so that you've got morbidly obese women on the front cover of cosmopolitan magazine. somehow we have to get that balance right. steve, how do it? well you see, body do we do it? well you see, body positive . positive. >> i mean, the one thing they do

say that i absolutely agree with is that rigid dieting is not good for us. they're absolutely spot on with that. and it can trigger an eating disorder and they just don't work long terme anyway . but the problem is body anyway. but the problem is body positive has now become this political animal where it's kind of gone from that sort of, you know, don't diet because it's not uh, rigidly . know, don't diet because it's not uh, rigidly. but it's not good. uh, rigidly. but it's now become this sort of if you're happy and you're fat, clap your hands and maybe talk about maybe they actually want children to sit around singing that , you know, if you're children to sit around singing that, you know, if you're happy and you're fat, clap your hands. i mean, it's just ridiculous. >> okay, steve, we could . i'm >> okay, steve, we could. i'm sorry. we've got to leave it there. we could talk to you all morning, you so much there. we could talk to you all moyour, you so much there. we could talk to you all moyour common you so much there. we could talk to you all moyour common sense.so much there. we could talk to you all moyour common sense. we'rech for your common sense. we're going go live to nottingham. going to go live to nottingham. >> nottingham, >> going to nottingham, where the going to be the sentence is going to be deau the sentence is going to be dealt for killer of dealt out for the killer of those students a those two students in a caretaker year, his caretaker last year, his personality changed and not personality has changed and not for better . for the better. >> he's lost interest in many of the things which had made his life , such as life worth living, such as socialising and football. his

physical injuries were also very serious and included a dislocated right shoulder, injured his to his chest and back and a fractured pelvis. he's in constant pain . there are he's in constant pain. there are times when he feels it would have been better off for everyone if he, too, had died. that morning . your final two that morning. your final two victims were sharon miller and marcian gavronsky, who were both standing on a pedestrian central reservation. again you deliberately aimed the van at them and struck them at speed from behind, intending to kill them . they were extremely lucky them. they were extremely lucky to survive. mr gavronsky suffered broken ribs, an injury to his left leg and cuts all over his head and body . he over his head and body. he continues to suffer flashbacks . continues to suffer flashbacks. miss miller sustained injuries to her body and legs which left her in severe pain and housebound for several months. she remains afraid to go out and may never be able to return to work . you were eventually

work. you were eventually stopped and contained by police vehicles when confronted by officers, you produced a knife which you dropped only after you'd been tasered . you later you'd been tasered. you later made no comment to all questions as to view in interview. the court has both heard and read heartbreaking statements from those of your victims who survived , and the families and survived, and the families and friends of those who died. you've sentenced them to a life of grief and pain . this is a of grief and pain. this is a roll call of just some of those whose lives you have devastated . whose lives you have devastated. emma webber , barnaby's mother. emma webber, barnaby's mother. david webber , barnaby's father . david webber, barnaby's father. charlie webber , barnaby's charlie webber, barnaby's brother . thomas, charlie webber, barnaby's brother. thomas, your barnaby's close friend emily yap, another of barnaby's close friends . of barnaby's close friends. james o'malley kumar , grace's james o'malley kumar, grace's brother . james o'malley kumar, grace's brother. zenaida malik kumar grace's mother . doctor. sanjoy grace's mother. doctor. sanjoy kumar grace's father.

grace's mother. doctor. sanjoy kumar grace's father . catherine kumar grace's father. catherine o'malley grace's aunt and all of grace's maternal relatives in ireland. doctor shashi kumar grace's grandmother sunil kumar grace's grandmother sunil kumar grace's uncle. emma kumar grace's uncle. emma kumar grace's aunt helen prescott maureen grace's schoolhouse mistress , together with many mistress, together with many other of her family , friends other of her family, friends james coates, ian . son elaine james coates, ian. son elaine newton ian's partner, ian's brother wayne birkett, your fourth victim tracy hodgson wayne's partner sharon miller and marcin gavronsky, your final victims . i and marcin gavronsky, your final victims. i pay tribute to and marcin gavronsky, your final victims . i pay tribute to the victims. i pay tribute to the extra ordinary dignity and restraint which they have shown both in this court and indeed over the last six months. the statements that were so bravely read out in court will resonate with those who heard them for many years to come . when we many years to come. when we learned that barnaby was a

loving son, brother and friend with an infectiously joyful personality and a positive outlook on life, he was making the most of his time. he was spending at nottingham university and showing such great promise for the life of which you robbed him . grace was which you robbed him. grace was a treasure to her family and friends. she was as successful academically as she was in her sporting achievements studying medicine. she'd already been involved in vaccinating against the covid virus, and i do not doubt that she would have been an exemplary practitioner. she was a shining example to all who knew and loved her. ian was only five months short of what should have been a long and happy retirement. his son, sister and partner have been robbed of a kind and humble man who always found time to help others . there found time to help others. there was never any doubt that it was you who committed these appalling crimes , and it was appalling crimes, and it was inevitable that you would be facing three counts of murder

and three of attempted murder. it soon became clear, however , it soon became clear, however, that the central issue in this case would relate to whether, at the time of committing these offences, you were suffering from. >> so that is that is the judge delivering his sentence, which we will bring you when we get it in the horrific killing of those three people in nottingham . but three people in nottingham. but at noon we've got good afternoon britain with tom and emily. so what are you doing on the show this afternoon? >> depending on long >> yes, depending on how long the there the sentencing remarks there are, may delivering that are, we may be delivering that sentencing, then sentencing, of course. and then we'll about, uh , uh, we'll be talking about, uh, uh, what's happened and the fallout of this horrific triple, because, of course , the defence because, of course, the defence from the suspect, from the person who is being sentenced is , is expected to be mitigating through mental health claims. >> and there's a big, big controversy over that. we'll be diving into that a little bit. but also there are some big political issues in the news today, not least a policy now being floated in the papers of

british homes for british workers . now, this british homes for british workers. now, this is a policy being floated by the government. they didn't put it in the king's speech last year, but they might now be pursuing it, whereby people who are british citizens get ultimate priority for social housing rather than those who've recently arrived . recently arrived. >> it's quite interesting because a government can compel a local council to do that . the a local council to do that. the housing authority, is that what they're housing authority, is that what the well, well, consulting it >> well, well, consulting on it exactly. >> so exactly. » so >> so we don't yet know all of the there has the details, but there has already been pushback from already been big pushback from various housing charities. it has government's has against the government's proposal . so we'll wait for that proposal. so we'll wait for that consultation . but it does seem consultation. but it does seem like something the like this is something the government is now looking more at put it at when they did sort of put it on burner last year. on the back burner last year. >> tom, very, very >> and tom, very, very voter friendly. yeah very voter friendly. >> is this common sense >> is this just common sense that people born in united that people born in the united kingdom priority kingdom should have priority when to social housing? when it comes to social housing? the the the likes of shelter, the homeless charity , of course, homeless charity, of course, they've come out and they've immediately this immediately said this is scapegoating and that scapegoating people and that this isn't the issue. when it comes to housing. so there you

90, comes to housing. so there you go, bit of a battle between go, a bit of a battle between some the charities and the some of the charities and the government one. if government on this one. well, if it speaking of it goes further, speaking of battles , yeah, there's another, battles, yeah, there's another, there's another battle, of course, now been course, that now has been dominating headlines some dominating headlines for some time , which is are we ready for war? >> and we've got perhaps someone who great in army uniform. tom, i think i would, i would yeah. well, i was looking i had some conversations about this with some people on social media this morning. that the morning. i've learned that the average about average russian is about three inches i inches shorter than me, so i reckon i could take them. right. >> really, is. >> um, but really, that is. >> um, but really, that is. >> we will be asking if generation z is up for the fight i >> -- >> well, i think you would be hopeless , tom. hopeless, tom. >> you have many strengths , tom. >> you have many strengths, tom. one of them would not be. surely getting down in the. i think i'd be better. imagine all the mugs ihave be better. imagine all the mugs i have to. >> i have to stress the debate isn't could tom harwood take a russian? >> w- w— >> the debate is could generate z defend our country. i think just just to stand up for myself here, i reckon i could i think you'd very platoon you'd be a very good platoon leader. i i hope i would be one

of those people going over the trenches with, with the, with the platoon, rather than sitting several trenches back. >> but this is a, this >> but i mean, this is a, this is a serious question. it is i mean, it's not all laughs and giggles. is a serious giggles. it is a serious question. could gen and question. could gen z and millennials, extent, millennials, to a lesser extent, defend our country? >> you know what >> although do you know what millennials. we talk about millennials. we talk about millennials very, millennials as if they're very, very millennials are very young. some millennials are now in 40s. now in their 40s. >> absolutely >> yes. you're absolutely right. right. emily, you will be right. tom emily, you will be holding the fort for us from midday . uh, holding the fort for us from midday. uh, now a quick holding the fort for us from midday . uh, now a quick break. midday. uh, now a quick break. we'll be back

perspectives that i, and people that i knew had dewbs& co weeknights from six. >> it's 1145 with britain's news on gb news with andrew pearson bev turner. the panel are back broadcasting. jonas carole malone, an author and broadcaster. nichi hodgson. >> start brit >> so shall we start with brit award lady liz so award nominations? lady liz so these are out now. um, nikki . these are out now. um, nikki. see, last year they went gender neutral . and what happened? neutral. and what happened? >> there were no women involved. and that's what happened. and i think we could have all told to be careful what you wish for. be careful of what you wish for. i look, look, i'm i know. well, look, look, i'm probably wing probably much more left wing than carol is. i know i am for a fact. you definitely are. i've probably got quite different attitudes to you on gender, carol, the carol, but the reality is the music industry music music industry are famously women famously treated women terribly. you been you know, the way they've been treated recordings , treated with recordings, actually, the abuse they've received, know, received, royalties, you know, history is liddell and the multi—millions that she earns. well, maybe not adele, but i'm thinking further back, you know, like i don't like the supremes and i don't know, there's just so many

people treated badly know, there's just so many pe> it was all. was it all because of that? >> sam. >> sam. >> sam. >> sam smith wasn't that wasn't the was gender fluid. the story was gender fluid. >> yeah. he said i'm not >> he said yeah. he said i'm not a man or a woman. but but i don't know what you call him. he's a day. >> he's a day. he was born male, but wasn't what said? >> his male wasn't the story. >> his male wasn't the story. >> um, that's another argument together. story that together. wasn't the story that that the categories. that they wanted the categories. man of. so man and woman got rid of. so they had the one category. yeah and it was five men in that

category. and no women at all. so this is so, you know, it's exactly what you say. be careful what wish because that's what you wish for because that's what you wish for because that's what leave what you get. and just leave some things don't need to be tampered know, can tampered with. you know, you can have gender and have your views on gender and you your views on what you can have your views on what you can have your views on what you think trans woman is and you think a trans woman is and all rest it. when all the rest of it. but when you're talking about something like two very distinct like music, two very distinct categories, leave categories, and just leave them because, go because, because we could go down oscars down this route with the oscars and the, know, best actor, and the, you know, best actor, best performer, as opposed to best actor and actress, until we sorted sexism , um, sorted out sexism, um, fundamental sexism. >> never this >> it will never work. this system. you see, nikki, let's what oscar nominations what about the oscar nominations to barbie? to speak about barbie? >> know , apparently ryan >> you know, apparently ryan gosling because . gosling is furious because. because margot thing didn't get there. barbie didn't get the nominations. why should when and what other movie does the male lead and the female lead both get? oscar nominations ? they get? oscar nominations? they don't. and why should that director, the female director? why should she get a nomination if she's not the best? yeah, they always say good sexism. she's a woman. no she hasn't got

it. no, it's because because there's people. the oscars committee thought there were better directors . better directors. >> malone i would say this if there hadn't been a hollywood strike. don't think that stupid film have nominated film would have been nominated for because he for i know, frankly, because he says good. says not very good. >> but i've got to be honest, i haven't watched it. i've heard >> but i've got to be honest, i haveaboutitched it. i've heard >> but i've got to be honest, i haveaboutitchl d it. i've heard >> but i've got to be honest, i haveaboutitchl mean, 'e heard >> but i've got to be honest, i haveaboutitchl mean, it'saard lots about it. i mean, it's interesting that it has interesting that it is. it has made so much money, you know, it's know, it's made it's like, you know, it's made ridiculous amounts of money. i guess kind of guess that's its own kind of reward, you filmmaking. >> well, good. >> well, good. >> i'm glad made of >> i'm glad it's made lots of money. >> p— money. >> obviously people >> yeah. so obviously people like it, but people, you know, every people liking is every day, people liking it is not yeah not the same as critics. yeah >> being the best film and it doesn't have to right. doesn't have to be right. >> talk about rishi >> so should we talk about rishi sunak under pressure? sunak being under pressure? carol so week think carol so this week i think it was been a long carol so this week i think it was hasn't been a long carol so this week i think it was hasn't it. been a long carol so this week i think it was hasn't it. yeah.n a long carol so this week i think it was hasn't it. yeah.n a imp week hasn't it. yeah. uh, mp simon came wrote simon clarke came out and wrote his letter and said he shouldn't be minister rishi be prime minister rishi sunak. and happened? be prime minister rishi sunak. ancnothing. happened? be prime minister rishi sunak. ancnothing. what)pened? >> nothing. what >> nothing. what >> no. what? no. >> no. what? no. >> happened was was >> what happened was there was there's uproar. there's been an almighty uproar. but i first but the thing is, when i first heard say, there should be heard him say, there should be another leadership election, i thought, my god, man is thought, oh my god, the man is nuts. but then nuts. he's gone crazy. but then i into what he

i drill down into what he actually read the actually said, and i read the whole i thought, you whole thing and i thought, you know not he's know what? he's not wrong. he's just saying , we're going to just saying, we're going to sleepwalk the tories. he said, they're going to say, we're going to sleepwalk into oblivion. electoral oblivion, and, and he said, far better. we have one last crazy throw of the dice and get some, get a new leader in. because if we keep sunak tories are losing whatever happens and i thought, i thought, yeah, you're right. but he's the leader. well, it's got to be boris, hasn't it. >> he hasn't got a seat, cameron. >> but he can, he can get one. >> but he can, he can get one. >> there's no such thing as a safe tory seat anymore. >> be allowed. >> be allowed. >> well, david cameron could give up his peerage. we give up his peerage. but we don't want, don't don't want, we don't want, don't want to go back there, cameron back. we someone back. but we do want someone who, he took the who, you know, he he took the biggest in decades . biggest victory in decades. >> you know sunak has not >> and you know sunak has not connected the people at all. connected to the people at all. and one of the things that one of the things that he said that you sunak, you know, he you know, sunak, you know, he has he's accepted the anti—democratic, anti —democratic, anti —democratic interpretation of anti—democratic, anti—democratic interpretation of international

laws . and that means that he's laws. and that means that he's never going to defy the echr . never going to defy the echr. he's never going to stop the boats. he can't do it because it requires us to ignore the echr. he's never going to do that. he hasn't connected with the british people in way that british people in the way that bofis british people in the way that boris did. >> and yeah, and the other thing about him is he should be about him is that he should be in silicon valley. that's what he's that's he's he's good at. that's what he's signed for. he's good at. that's what he's sig|that's. he's good at. that's what he's sig|that's what that's where he's >> that's what that's where he's going after the election. going to go after the election. >> that's kind >> exactly. that's the kind of operator he i operator he is. he cannot i completely what carol is saying, he doesn't with the he doesn't connect with the british all. british people at all. >> listening. >> i'm not listening. >> i'm not listening. >> about but it's bit >> but what about but it's a bit of a problem carol's, um, of a problem for carol's, um, solution. >> because boris would have to win i don't think win a seat, right? i don't think it's very for it's going to be very easy for any tories a constituency. any tories win a constituency. you know, you've got you can't. >> you move aside? >> you move aside? >> can't someone you'd >> can't someone decide you'd have elected and he's have to be elected and he's going to busy. it's going going to be busy. it's going to be difficult a problem. >> he's meant be here. >> he's meant to be here. yeah he's yeah, >> he's meant to be here. yeah he's although yeah, >> he's meant to be here. yeah he's although haven'th, yeah. although we haven't seen him. >> where what gm" >> where is he? what do you think? do think the think? what do you think the reaction would labour if reaction would be from labour if this leadership contest was triggered? >> well, it'd great if they >> well, it'd be great if they

did really solid did have a really solid candidate already a candidate that was already in a seat. safe seat that >> probably a safe seat that people been talking about. people have been talking about. there energy about them people have been talking about. there the energy about them people have been talking about. there the next'gy about them people have been talking about. there the next leader. it them people have been talking about. there the next leader. fine. m being the next leader. fine. that would work. but this will just into labour's just play right into labour's hands. actually, i hands. and actually, i think a lot public say, are lot of the public will say, are you me? another leader? lot of the public will say, are you getne? another leader? lot of the public will say, are you get yournother leader? lot of the public will say, are you get your house leader? lot of the public will say, are you get your house in ader? you can't get your house in order. we're for you. order. we're not voting for you. >> you see, clock >> yeah, but you see, clock o'clock was you could o'clock said was you could actually the contest done actually get the contest done and dusted week. and and dusted within a week. and the he was involved the thing that he was involved in by this poll this week that the that the yougov poll that said that people, want the people, people still want the tories, they don't want people, people still want the toriestheay don't want people, people still want the toriesthe way don't want people, people still want the toriesthe way they n't want people, people still want the toriesthe way they are. /ant people, people still want the toriesthe way they are. sot people, people still want the toriesthe way they are. so this them the way they are. so this poll that voters on 322 poll said that voters on 322 constituencies england world constituencies in england world said a new leader to keir with a new leader to keir starmer, so that that means get rid of sunak and get someone in there who can do it. >> it's also a terrible indictment, isn't it, nick on keir starmer, terrible, has keir starmer, who terrible, has not through either. not cut through either. >> he's had four years do it. >> we don't know what he believes he changes believes in. he changes his policies all the time. he hasn't got boring . got it boring. >> he hasn't got it, he hasn't got the charisma. there's so many better people in the labour party for party you could put in for leader. more that leader. many more people that i would including a lot

would vote for, including a lot of good women. but other of good women. but the other thing to be thing that's going to be interesting about this is the arrival of they the arrival of what they call the popcorns february. popcorns on the 6th of february. this kind of splinter group within the tory party that said they they're they don't know what they're doing, of doing, where the kind of populist we know populist side of it. we do know what the people want. get on board the new conservative team with and with the miriam cates crowd and danny kruger. >> well, maybe. but okay, so talking with talking of politicians with other the other people waiting in the wings, been looking wings, we've all been looking baffled at biden, haven't we? and be the and thinking how can he be the democratic in the next democratic candidate in the next election america? not election in america? it is not possible that he's clinging on election in america? it is not po hisle that he's clinging on election in america? it is not po his cognitivee's clinging on election in america? it is not po his cognitive faculties,g on to his cognitive faculties, isn't he? >> so there's been this rumour about michelle obama, which seems to have gained a huge amount of traction the last amount of traction in the last 24 hours. >> carol, that she's waiting in the wings and she's going to be parachuted in in the spring. what do make of it? how parachuted in in the spring. what (she make of it? how parachuted in in the spring. what (she do �*nake of it? how parachuted in in the spring. what (she do ifake of it? how parachuted in in the spring. what (she do if trumpt? how parachuted in in the spring. what (she do if trump getsyw parachuted in in the spring. what (she do if trump gets the nomination? >> i think she will be parachuted in because because they're michelle parachuted in because because they're would michelle parachuted in because because they're would not michelle parachuted in because because they're would not wantichelle parachuted in because because they're would not want trump to be obama would not want trump to be leader again. >> having sleepless nights it. >> she it. she will do. and you >> yes, she will do. and you know her her little section . know her her her little section. the liberal elite in america will not trump in again.

will not want trump in again. although interesting piece although very interesting piece by the other week saying by boris the other week saying that be that trump would actually be good for. yeah. >> and he said and better for national security i think so because he's he's so unpredictable . unpredictable. >> you know, putin is not going to with he's not going to mess with him. he's not going to mess with him. he's not going to i'm going to bomb to say, i'm going to bomb you because because trump will sell bomb got very little time. >> we've got very little time. nikki, vote for nikki, would you vote for michelle nikki, would you vote for micabsolutely. hope she becomes. >> it's dinner i can't vote. >> i'm not married. >> i'm not married. >> but it's like dynasty. another clinton clinton's wife. >> the business. another clinton clinton's wife. >> that's the business. another clinton clinton's wife. >> that's why the business. another clinton clinton's wife. >> that's why i'd business. another clinton clinton's wife. >> that's why i'd busiforys. another clinton clinton's wife. >> that's why i'd busifor her. >> that's why i'd vote for her. she knows the ins of she knows the ins and outs of the house. the white house. >> that precisely why >> but that is a precisely why i wouldn't for her, because i wouldn't vote for her, because i think part white think she's part of the white house. uh, right. carol, nikki, thank you much for joining house. uh, right. carol, nikki, thank you much forjoining us thank you so much forjoining us this thank all for this morning. thank you all for watching just watching us all week. not just today. up next it is tom and today. uh, up next it is tom and emily afternoon emily with good afternoon britain. got britain. what have you got coming the show? see coming up on the show? we'll see you monday. >> be bringing of >> we'll be bringing you all of the the nottingham the details of the nottingham killer precisely killer sentencing. precisely what will he sentenced to? what will he be sentenced to? and will he be getting time off for claimed mental health issues

and could tom harwood defend this country if we were to go into what? >> sorry. i mean, gen z, could gen z defend this country come a war if and when ? whom are they war if and when? whom are they too woke for war? or could they step up ? could the younger step up? could the younger generation step up at a time of need? >> we'll be having a big debate on that. and also the crisis facing rishi sunak. has he really only got six months to prove himself ? looks like things prove himself? looks like things are heating up. >> box spoilers, sponsors of weather on gb news . >> box spoilers, sponsors of weather on gb news. i'm alex deakin. >> this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news the storms have gone . gb news the storms have gone. doesn't mean it's fine and sunny out there today though. a lot of cloud around, some rain but it is pretty mild. that's because we've weather fronts is pretty mild. that's because we've across weather fronts is pretty mild. that's because we've across the aather fronts is pretty mild. that's because we've across the country'onts in moving across the country and in here between these two weather fronts, some pretty warm air, but cloudy air as well, but it is cloudy air as well, andifs but it is cloudy air as well, and it's fairly grey

and it's a fairly grey afternoon. some brightness possible over parts of eastern england. it may brighten at england. it may brighten up at times the of times across the north of northern ireland and the west coast of scotland, most coast of scotland, but for most it's fairly dull. outbreaks of rain north across rain working north across scotland heavier scotland and then some heavier rain coming into parts of northwest and northwest england and north wales time, bit damp wales for a time, a bit damp elsewhere, but it is mild. temperatures double digits, temperatures in double digits, maybe up to celsius it maybe up to 13 celsius if it brightens over parts of brightens up over parts of eastern through this eastern england. through this evening and overnight, we'll keep of rain evening and overnight, we'll keejdrizzle of rain evening and overnight, we'll keejdrizzle over of rain evening and overnight, we'll keejdrizzle over northern rain and drizzle over northern england, northern ireland and wales heavier rain wales and then some heavier rain comes in across scotland . for a comes in across scotland. for a time that band will work its way across most areas through the night, turns bit night, behind it turns a bit colder. snow colder. could be some snow showers northern showers across northern scotland, over hills. scotland, mostly over hills. could turn icy here, as well as temperatures tumble for most, though, temperatures will hold up low single digits. up in the low single digits. could a wet start across east could be a wet start across east anglia, rain quickly anglia, but the rain quickly zooms away here. actually, zooms away here. and actually, for tomorrow's a dry, for most, tomorrow's a dry, bright, fine day . a bit breezy bright, fine day. a bit breezy in places, and there will be more showers coming into scotland some further snow scotland with some further snow over the hills. but for most, as

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. it's a little bit before 12:00 on friday the 25th of january. >> we can still say good afternoon britain. uh nottingham attack triple kill osvaldo calican is being sentenced currently for fatally stabbing barnaby webber. grace o'malley kumar and ian coates last june . kumar and ian coates last june. there has been outcry over khallikan's defence of mental health, mitigating his sentence. we'll have all the details for you . you. >> zombie knife crackdown terrifying zombie style knives and machetes will be banned under new legislation. the government says it's been ratcheting up its approach to knife crime for years, but should there be a mandatory jail sentence for those carrying knives and british homes for british workers, should those born in the united kingdom be prioritised when it comes to social housing? >> that's what the government reportedly wants to make happen. some say the policy is unworkable, but is it simply common sense .