bit before 12:00 . it's a little bit before 12:00 on friday the 25th of january. >> we can still say good afternoon britain. uh nottingham attack triple kill osvaldo calican is being sentenced currently for fatally stabbing barnaby webber. grace o'malley kumar and ian coates last june . kumar and ian coates last june. there has been outcry over khallikan's defence of mental health, mitigating his sentence. we'll have all the details for you . you. >> zombie knife crackdown terrifying zombie style knives and machetes will be banned under new legislation. the government says it's been ratcheting up its approach to knife crime for years, but should there be a mandatory jail sentence for those carrying knives and british homes for british workers, should those born in the united kingdom be prioritised when it comes to social housing? >> that's what the government reportedly wants to make happen. some say the policy is unworkable, but is it simply common sense .

common sense. and what's all this ? the rumour and what's all this? the rumour mill is working overtime, isn't it? it is sort of tory meltdown in tory plot to oust rishi sunak. what's going on? >> tell me. six weeks to save sunak. that's the line in westminster. this morning. why six weeks? uh, there's a couple of by elections next month , in of by elections next month, in february. but also there's that budget in early march and this is really being seen as the last chance saloon for the prime minister to sort of reset the agenda. and my goodness me, how many resets has this prime minister have? but this is really being seen as the last chance to sort of change the gear before that election, because the latest poll out today the tories down to today shows the tories down to 20% and reform uk up to 13. >> that is quite incredible , >> that is quite incredible, isn't it? 2013 for reform, just a seven point gap. a party that most people hadn't heard of a

year ago. and of course, it goes without saying. >> the labour party is almost >> the labour party is on almost 50, 27 points ahead of the conservative party on 47. >> is it possible , paul, to turn >> is it possible, paul, to turn these polls around in such a short time? would a reset even work? have people just given up? well this is the criticism, of course , of simon clarke, the course, of simon clarke, the former cabinet minister, who said that rishi sunak should step aside, should resign. >> we should have a third new prime minister this parliament or should be a fourth new prime minister of this parliament. >> pretty vicious. uh, column he wrote for the telegraph, didn't he stuck the boot in. he really stuck the boot in. >> and it really seem now >> and it really does seem now there is this concerted campaign. first we that big there is this concerted camjin gn. first we that big there is this concerted camjin the first we that big there is this concerted camjin the telegraph that big there is this concerted camjin the telegraph showingig poll in the telegraph showing there 1997 style there would be a 1997 style result tories. then there would be a 1997 style result clarke tories. then there would be a 1997 style result clarke comes then there would be a 1997 style result clarke comes outn there would be a 1997 style result clarke comes out with his simon clarke comes out with his 0p simon clarke comes out with his op ed, and then today or last night, we learned that one of the most senior adviser or a very key adviser in number 10, resigned five years old, resigned last five years old, though that's true. but he did run importantly for the run polling importantly for the prime minister. and he's now saying that rishi sunak should

go too. >> so there's a question would ousting sunak , uh, improve ousting rishi sunak, uh, improve the conservatives chances at the next let us know at next election? let us know at gbnews.com. but first, your headunes gbnews.com. but first, your headlines with tatiana . headlines with tatiana. >> emily, thank you very much and good afternoon . it's 12:03. and good afternoon. it's 12:03. these are your top stories from the gb newsroom. the government's defending its record on tackling knife crime amid a third crackdown in just eight years. the home secretary says the new restrictions are aimed at closing what he called aimed at closing what he called a loophole that allowed some types of zombie style knives to be kept and sold . but shadow be kept and sold. but shadow home secretary yvette cooper says the fresh legislation still doesn't go far enough. the government's plan goes nowhere near far enough. >> and it's also it's just too little, too late . it doesn't little, too late. it doesn't include ninja swords. it doesn't include ninja swords. it doesn't include a whole series of dangerous weapons and the penalties also aren't strong enough. they've been promising this ban on zombie knives for a

long time, and it's still not going to come in until the autumn . autumn. >> we need much faster action at a time when knife crime has gone up a time when knife crime has gone ”p by a time when knife crime has gone up by a further 5. >> this year, 77% increase since 2015, a 17 ton consignment of family sized tents will be flown into gaza today as part of an agreement between britain and qatar. >> it's after the foreign secretary's trip to jerusalem yesterday he met with families of hostages who are still being held in gaza by hamas since the 7th of october. he also met israel's prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, telling him there must be an immediate pause in the fighting in gaza as he pushed the israeli prime minister over a two state solution. lord cameron warned of unimaginable suffering in gaza and called on israel to open up more crossing points into the area . area. >> it's important that we have trebled british aid and what you can see behind me is more aid going in. but you're right, it's vital we can actually get it into gaza . and crucially, once into gaza. and crucially, once it's in gaza , get it around

it's in gaza, get it around gaza. what i was saying yesterday to the israelis, they've got to deal with the bottlenecks. they've got to make sure crossing points are sure the crossing points are open more often. they've got to make sure the checking is done more quickly. they've got, crucially, to give the visas to the staff and the trucks that the un staff and the trucks that the un staff and the trucks that the un staff need to get the aid around gaza . around gaza. >> questions remain over the downing of a plane near russia's border with ukraine yesterday. that killed all 74 people on board. the kremlin is accusing ukraine of targeting the aircraft, which it says was carrying prisoners as part of a planned exchange. ukraine hasn't confirmed whether it opened fire. it says the prisoner swap was due to take place, but russia did not inform them of how the prisoners would be transported or of an approaching aircraft. ukraine president vladimir zelenskyy says more clarity was needed, but it's clear russia's playing with the lives of ukrainian prisoners and their loved ones . more work is their loved ones. more work is needed to tackle obesity among

children . that's amid warnings children. that's amid warnings that increases due to the pandemic could cost more than £8 billion. a new study found. obesity in england rose significant among those aged four and five, and ten and 11 years old, researchers warn that costs will climb because overweight children and teenagers tend to become obese adults . they cited home adults. they cited home schooling and staying indoors dunng schooling and staying indoors during lockdowns as the key reasons for the increase . the reasons for the increase. the ghanaian equivalent of the crown jewels will be sent back to the west african nation as part of a loan from the victoria and albert museum and the british museum . 82 precious items were museum. 82 precious items were taken during wars in the 19th century. they include a sword of state, gold badges worn by officials of the king and a gold peace pipe. the museums are prevented by law from returning the items permanently , but fiona the items permanently, but fiona director tristram hunt says there is a responsibility to share objects with their countries of origin wherever

possible . two statues possible. two statues commemorating australia's colonial history have been vandalised in melbourne as the country prepares to mark its annual australia day . police are annual australia day. police are investigating after a century old statue of captain cook was sawn off at the ankles in a popular park. sawn off at the ankles in a popular park . the monument was popular park. the monument was also graffitied with the words the colony will fall. elsewhere, a statue of queen victoria in the city centre was covered in red paint . australia day red paint. australia day observes the arrival of the first fleet of british ships in 1788, and has attracted controversy in recent years . controversy in recent years. australia's government recently ruled out a referendum on becoming a republic in the future . just some breaking news future. just some breaking news now and osvaldo calican, who stabbed three people to death in nottingham last year and attacked three others, has been sentenced at nottingham crown court to a hospital order after

admitting mansley after by diminished responsibility due to mental illness and attempted murder. we'll bring you more on that shortly . those are your top that shortly. those are your top stories on gb news across the uk. on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now back to tom and . emily. now back to tom and. emily. >> well, as we just heard, the breaking news just in osvaldo khalife cani, who stabbed three people to death in nottingham city centre and attacked three others, has been now sentenced at nottingham crown court to a hospital order after admitting manslaughter by diminished responsibility and attempted murder earlier this week. >> he admitted the manslaughter of the three victims by reason of the three victims by reason of diminished responsibility and he also admitted three counts of attempted murder relating to pedestrians. he deliberately targeted with a van he'd stolen from mr coates. >> yes .

from mr coates. >> yes. nottinghamshire police has released harrowing footage which pieces together the events which pieces together the events which shook the nation. our east midlands reporter will hollis has the details . has the details. >> waldo kalakani branded a monster by his victims families, he set out on june 13th last year with a clear plan to kill on cctv . he is year with a clear plan to kill on cctv. he is seen returning to nottingham from london after boarding a tram. he began roaming the city's streets wearing all black with him. a bag of weapons including a double edged fighting dagger. his first victims , 19 year old his first victims, 19 year old university of nottingham students grace o'malley kumar and barnaby webber, returning from a night out at around 4 am, he stabbed them both a.m, he stabbed them both repeatedly on ilkeston road before calmly walking away. his attack had been uncompromisingly

brutal. >> oh no . >> oh no. >> oh no. >> police emergency. what's the emergency ? emergency? >> yes, there's been a stabbing on kingston road. >> there's somebody lying in the street. >> i think they're dead. oh that was awful. >> kalakani then tried climbing into a hostel. ceely house, through a window , but was pushed through a window, but was pushed back by 5 am. he'd killed again his next victim. school caretaker ian coates, on magdala road before stealing his van and driving into weinberg . lockett, driving into weinberg. lockett, who was walking in milton street and soon after , sharon miller and soon after, sharon miller and soon after, sharon miller and marcin gawronski, who were extremely fortunate to survive . extremely fortunate to survive. police arrested kalakani in radford, tasering him taser. taser de—man , stay where you taser de—man, stay where you are. >> stay where? on the 32 year old who also goes by the name adam mendez , is a dual national adam mendez, is a dual national from guinea—bissau and portugal,

having arrived in the uk in two thousand and seven. >> diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia , he had been schizophrenia, he had been sectioned multiple times under the mental health act and been in trouble with police for criminal damage and assault . in trouble with police for criminal damage and assault. his pleas of manslaughter were accepted on the grounds of diminished responsibility. a defence of mental illness . the defence of mental illness. the attacks shocked not just this city but the nation . in will city but the nation. in will hollis gb news in nottingham . hollis gb news in nottingham. and . thank you to will for that and. thank you to will for that echo. extraordinary report . what echo. extraordinary report. what a story . a story. >> it's devastating listening to the victims families and their, uh, their remarks in court and the sentencing, a lot of people will be asking whether this is justice, a hospital order, of course . the judge spoke at course. the judge spoke at length about his mental health issues that impacted this killer . but a hospital order. i don't believe there's been a minimum

time set on that either. >> and it is extraordinary me that this was a man who arrived to the united kingdom in two thousand and seven, not a british national had run ins with the law, multiple run ins with the law, multiple run ins with the law, and was allowed to carry on living in this country. questions will be asked, frankly, should he be have? should he have been removed from this country? >> well, should he have been in this country? and the police and the notts shire the nottingham, notts shire police already admitted police have already admitted that they could have done more , that they could have done more, more to arrest this man. they knew he was a danger to the pubuc knew he was a danger to the public and yet he was able to kill brutally three people. and we heard from ian coates, the older gentleman who was killed, his son, saying that waldo kalakani or kalakani was the most evil man on the planet who brutally massacred those three people to 19 year olds barnaby

weber and grace o'malley kumar, both 19. >> and of course, the school caretaker, ian coates, who was 65 years old, two beautiful teenagers and the caretaker to very, very sad. >> so those were that is the sentence waldo kalakani , who sentence waldo kalakani, who stabbed three people to death in nottingham city centre, attacked three others has now been sentenced at nottingham crown court to a hospital and there will be huge questions , ones will be huge questions, ones that are now asked of how it got to this point, how this person who was clearly on the radar of various authorities , was able to various authorities, was able to go on this ramp page and was able to go on this rampage for quite so many hours in one of the in a university city in the united kingdom . united kingdom. >> and frankly, why this foreign national was allowed to continue living in this country after being on the radar of those authorities, will be outside the court where the sentencing has taken place. in just a moment,

because there are so many questions that so many people will have over this case, and a lot of reaction that we will be covering here on. good afternoon britain. >> absolutely. will hollis, our reporter, has been in the courtroom to hear the judge's sentence and the remarks there. the judge did say that the psychiatric evidence did not detract from the horror and disastrous impact of the offences, but he said that kalakani's abnormality of mind had significantly contributed to him perpetrate this string of attacks . is that a defence? attacks. is that a defence? >> now we are looking at pictures just outside the court because we're expecting a statement from the families in just a moment, which will bring to you as soon as they step out of the court . to you as soon as they step out of the court. but just to repeat, these are live pictures now just outside the court , now just outside the court, where this sentencing has taken place. and no doubt the words of the families will be particularly poignant in this moment will be fascinating to hear what they have to say. absolutely.

>> we've heard in the run up to this sentencing from the family of the victims , we heard from of the victims, we heard from the younger brother of grace o'malley kumar , who described o'malley kumar, who described how he'd lost . o'malley kumar, who described how he'd lost. he'd lost his sister, of course, but the impact that that's had on his life already and will have for the rest of his life the family's victims, they will be serving sentence in many serving a life sentence in many ways. losing family members at such a young age. and of course , such a young age. and of course, ian coates, the older gentleman , ian coates, the older gentleman, his son absolutely devastated by just a few months from retirement. >> ian coates, he was he dedicated his life to working in a local school in nottingham and was just about to start on living life for himself on on his long and happy retirement, but which sadly was snatched from him. this is the most tragic case that we covered extensive here on gb news when it took place, but also there was that poignant moment a few days later of the vigil that was

held in nottingham, where the families of the victims came together . and i families of the victims came together. and i think you can really see how these families have been helping each other through it . have been helping each other through it. um, it it is again, the most well, it's the most tragic situation. >> everyone's absolute nightmare. um, to two young students walking home from a night out where they probably had a fun evening . and then for had a fun evening. and then for this to happen , it doesn't bear this to happen, it doesn't bear thinking about. but if you're just joining us, valdo kalakani has been sentenced to a hospital order that's at the nottingham crown court just now. uh, for stabbing three people to death. he's been sentenced to a hospital order. that's after he admitted manslaughter by diminished responsibility due to his mental condition. >> now, he was suffering, he says, from paranoid schizophrenia when he stabbed barnaby webber. grace . o'malley barnaby webber. grace. o'malley kumar, both 19 years old and a

school caretaker. ian coates 65 years old. he stabbed them each to death with a dagger in nottingham last june, the 13th of june last year. >> yes, so we'll be hearing from the families of the victims very soon. but we were just over in the court where the judge read out his sentencing remarks at length before delivering the sentence. there we don't know if there's a time limit, a minimum time order for this hospital order, but that is the decision as it stands, whether we get more details as we will bring them to you. >> and clearly there's a lot of controversy here about the diminished responsibility that valdo kalakani has claimed because of his , quote, paranoid because of his, quote, paranoid schizophrenia should would that have meant that he gets a lesser sentence than if it was judged that his murdering was as calculated as part of someone of

sane mind? i'm personally not sure how anyone of sane mind could do anything like this . could do anything like this. surely anyone who commits acts like this could be judged to be not of sound mind . not of sound mind. >> well, there is that , and >> well, there is that, and we'll be hearing from will hollis, our reporter who is in the court . but hollis, our reporter who is in the court. but from hollis, our reporter who is in the court . but from reports that the court. but from reports that i'm reading now, the families were visibly distraught in their hearing. what the judge had to say and revisiting the awful crime and the experience of their of their loved ones at the hands of this man. >> it shouldn't be a surprise that the families are taking a little bit of time to compose themselves themselves before coming out and speaking to us, but we want to stay looking at the outside of that court and bnng the outside of that court and bring you exactly when those families appear , precisely what families appear, precisely what they say these families have beenin they say these families have been in talking to one another, grieving with, with each other, and of course , we all remember

and of course, we all remember back to that poignant vigil in nottingham last summer where they they spoke together in front of huge, huge crowds , a front of huge, huge crowds, a community clearly in shock of this horrific attack. >> he could potentially be discharged in the future, according to this sentencing. according to the judge, whether he will be, whether he will ever be deemed not a risk to the pubucis be deemed not a risk to the public is very much another question, but it is a possibility he that he will be discharged in the future. >> and while we wait for the families to come out and give their statements , let's have their statements, let's have another look at the arrest of this individual of valdo kalakani . uh, this is a moment kalakani. uh, this is a moment captured by a gb news viewer , captured by a gb news viewer, um, uh, that we showed exclusively here on gb news on the day of the attack, where you can see the killer being pinned down on the street, arrested,

put out of his white van, a van that he stole from one of his victims before attempting to mow down, uh, three three further individuals after killing three with his dagger on that live shot there that we're bringing you outside the court, waiting for the families of the victims who wish to speak to the press outside there will be coming to them live as we see them and as we hear them. >> so we'll be bringing that to you on this channel. >> yeah, it does look like there's a little bit of movement outside the court. looks like something is about to happen. so we're going to stay with we're just going to stay with these pictures you. of these pictures for you. but of course momentous course it has been a momentous day in nottingham , in day in nottingham, in nottinghamshire. uh, there have been months of investigation leading up to this point. been months of investigation leading up to this point . uh, leading up to this point. uh, cctv pictures meticulously sort after found, compiled, put together a case brought and the sentence thing delivered today

starting at 1130 ending just at the start of this program whereby by waldo kalakani , uh, whereby by waldo kalakani, uh, the mass killer, as we can say now , has been sentenced . he'll now, has been sentenced. he'll be detained in a high security hospital. i believe these are the families now , uh, let's the families now, uh, let's listen in. come to the microphone . microphone. >> charlie . mid beds alicia >> charlie. mid beds alicia kearns . let's go . kearns. let's go. >> can you hear me? yeah, it will be james. >> james. >> james. >> sorry to push him. no, not at all. >> come here. >> come here. >> yeah, right. okay >> yeah, right. okay >> are you ready . >> are you ready. >> are you ready. >> we're all going to make a statement and then that's it. today um. true justice has not

been served today , we as a been served today, we as a devastated family have been let down by multiple agency failings. and ineffectiveness. the cps did not consult with us as has been reported. instead, we have been rushed, hastened and railroaded. the first meeting we had with them at our behest was friday, the 24th of november. a few short days before the pre—trial plea heanng before the pre—trial plea hearing on the 28th. for the record, they had suggested that we actually meet with them on that very morning, which we clearly thought wasn't enough time. we were presented with a fait accompli . that decision had fait accompli. that decision had been made to accept manslaughter charges . we were horrified at no charges. we were horrified at no point during the previous five and a half months will be given any indication that this could conclude in anything than conclude in anything other than murder. we trusted in our system foolishly, as it turns out, we do not dispute that the murderer is mentally unwell and has been for a number of years. however the premeditated planning, the collection of lethal weapons ,

collection of lethal weapons, hiding in the shadows and the brutality of the attacks are of an individual who knew exactly what he was doing. he knew entirely that it was wrong , but entirely that it was wrong, but he did it anyway. this has been a trial by doctors. why was there no mental health assessment during his time in custody? why was it the first time he had any assessment in mid—july for the defence report only? why did he not begin to receive treatment until mid—september ? and why did he mid—september? and why did he remain in prison until the 1st of november? importantly why did doctor blackwood instructed by the cps in august, waiting until the cps in august, waiting until the 14th of november to interview and assess him? so many questions to nottingham police. we additionally have grave concerns regarding aspects of this investigation . why were of this investigation. why were we repeatedly told through the summer that the offender was a sofa surfer and had no real abode? not true . he did one that abode? not true. he did one that was registered in his name in nottingham, and one that he had beenin nottingham, and one that he had been in for six months prior to

his eviction on only the 11th of june last year. why why it took repeated questioning from to us finally receive an answer late last friday afternoon , to the last friday afternoon, to the question of his outstanding warrant, issued september 2022 for a vicious attack on a police officer. such a violent assault that he was tasered to the assistant chief constable, rob griffin , who finally released griffin, who finally released this information publicly yesterday. i say this you have blood on your hands. if you had just done your jobs properly , just done your jobs properly, there's a very good chance my beautiful boy would be alive today. beautiful boy would be alive today . there is so much more to today. there is so much more to say and clearly serious questions regarding this case and events leading up to this monster being out in society. but for today, our darling son, his dear friend grace, and a wonderfully kind grandfather, ian , have been stolen from us ian, have been stolen from us forever and let down by the very system that should have been protecting them. thank you . my

protecting them. thank you. my heart from the very beginning has gone out to the families of grace and barnaby. >> it will continue to go out to them as we all now share it. anniversary. every june that will never be celebrated . they will never be celebrated. they are definition of strength are the definition of strength and unity. my heart also goes out to wayne burke marching gawronski and sharon miller, victims that have also been affected by this heinous crime . affected by this heinous crime. the letter of the law was once considered the most important rule to live in. abide by, put upon us, to make the country a fair and safer place. now they're just a cautionary tale where the calculated, cold, brutal killing spree can be reduced down to something that falls within the same sentence reduced down to something that falrestrictionse same sentence reduced down to something that fal restrictions e sai guidelines e in restrictions and guidelines as that of death. by dangerous driving . if this man was not driving. if this man was not stopped when he was, this could have been one of the most catastrophic of attacks this country had ever seen. this man is killer , and murder was is a killer, and murder was the only cared about. and only thing he cared about. and he this in horrific he fulfilled this in horrific fashion. on tuesday, the 13th of

june last year. my family has suffered a great loss. the children, who my father had a positive impression on have suffered a great loss. the city of has suffered a of nottingham has suffered a great . the failures from great loss. the failures from the police , the cps, the health the police, the cps, the health service have resulted in the murder of my father and these two innocent students. the nhs mental health trust have to be held accountable for their failures along with the police. all we can do is hope that in due course, some sort of justice will be served. this man has made a mockery of the system and he has got away with murder. we will never come to terms with the loss of our beloved daughter , grace , and how she lost her , grace, and how she lost her life, her heroic actions . she life, her heroic actions. she was a gift to us and she was the gift of the country . we'd like

gift of the country. we'd like to thank our wonderful family. from london and ireland and all of our friends for their continued love and support . continued love and support. whilst we have never questioned this man's diagnosis , the lack this man's diagnosis, the lack of toxicology , contemporaneous of toxicology, contemporaneous mental health assessment as well as missed opportunities to divert his lethal path will forever play on our minds and this requires further review . we this requires further review. we will look for answers regarding missed opportunities to intervene and prevent this horrendous crime. thank you . now horrendous crime. thank you. now um, i think we all regroup. we've been through absolute hell for the last few days and exactly as emma said , we regroup

exactly as emma said, we regroup and we find a path going forwards. were you told you couldn't insist on a prosecution for murder? >> you told them that that wasn't possible ? wasn't possible? >> um, i'd rather not speculate at this time . as i said, we need at this time. as i said, we need to regroup , at this time. as i said, we need to regroup, and we are very happy to speak to people. once we have. and we have . we've been we have. and we have. we've been through a lot. once we have our thoughts together , we're very thoughts together, we're very happy to come back and speak to the press. can i just ask you, mr >> and it's a kind of inquiry. >> and it's a kind of inquiry. >> we need to make. we that decision . and as i think sanjoy decision. and as i think sanjoy has said, and i'm sure you feel the same, we need some time to decompress. but i would like to thank the media for your support, know that our support, because i know that our voices contained voices have been contained until now . but voices have been contained until now. but thank you voices have been contained until now . but thank you because now. but thank you because you're all here and you're all telling our children and dad's stories . stories. >> thank you. absolutely. thank you very much. thank you. thank you. well, just an incredibly powerful moment there outside

nottingham crown court. >> the families of those three victims killed in cold blood by waldo kalakani on the 13th of june last year , making the most june last year, making the most impassioned plea . we that they impassioned plea. we that they should be heard and that justice has not been served. yes clearly they do not believe the family . they do not believe the family. is do not believe that justice has been served with this hospital order. >> they believe that there have been multiple, multiple failings on part of the nhs in its on the part of the nhs in its mental health services, on the part of nottinghamshire police and throughout the process . and throughout the process. >> indeed, emma webber, the mother of barnaby webber, said that she foolishly trusted in the system with a rushed , the system with a rushed, hastened and railroaded sense. those were her words saying that true justice has not been served

today , adding that she was today, adding that she was horrified that a fait accompli was present to these families . was present to these families. and as an indication they had had no indication. >> she said , that it would be >> she said, that it would be anything other than a murder charge . and ian coates's son charge. and ian coates's son spoke there, saying this man has made a mockery of the system and has got away with murder. those words really ring out, got away with murder of course, this cold blooded killer, waldo kalakani, was diagnosed with many mntal health issues. >> but as the families say , this >> but as the families say, this was a premeditated act. he went out and procured weapons. he hid in the shadows as he thought about this before he did it. and yet today , today, we get this

yet today, today, we get this judgement of manslaughter rather than murder. you can see why the families are so palpably angry at that. and how they spoke with such passion outside that court. >> they were asked a few questions from the media there about what their next steps might be. they said they'll be regrouping , decompressing, regrouping, decompressing, thinking they clearly are leaning on one another on each other. the families, they're the victims . um, and they'll be victims. um, and they'll be looking at what to do next, how to take this further, perhaps. well we're going to stay with our coverage of nottingham of that incident and of the fallout of this sentencing for some time to come. >> we'll be back at the court in just a moment. but in the meantime, let's get the very latest headlines with tatiana . latest headlines with tatiana. >> tom, thank you very much . >> tom, thank you very much. your top story from the gb newsroom , that breaking news, a

newsroom, that breaking news, a man who stabbed three people to death in nottingham city centre last year has been sentenced to a hospital order. 32 year old osvaldo kalakani killed two students, barnaby webber and grace o'malley. cooma and school caretaker ian coates. he pleaded not guilty to murder due to mental illness, but admitted manslaughter and will be detained in a high security hospital indefinitely. the judge says probably for the rest of his life . that judge told his life. that judge told kalakani that his actions had sentenced many relatives and friends of the victims to a life of grief and pain . of grief and pain. >> your sickening crime has both shocked the nation and wrecked the lives of your surviving victims, and the families of them all. none of the evidence relating to your mental state detracts from the horror of your actions . actions. >> speaking to the media following the sentencing , emma following the sentencing, emma webber, the mother of barnaby, says justice has not been served

and at no point during the previous five and a half months will be given any indication that this could conclude in anything than murder. that this could conclude in anythirtrusted than murder. that this could conclude in anythirtrusted in an murder. that this could conclude in anythirtrusted in ournurder. that this could conclude in anythirtrusted in our system >> we trusted in our system foolishly, as it turns out, we do not dispute that the murderer is mentally unwell and has been for a number of years. however the premeditated planning, the collection of lethal weapons hiding in the shadows and their brutality of the attacks are of an individual who knew exactly what he was doing . he knew what he was doing. he knew entirely that it was wrong, but he did it anyway . he did it anyway. >> to other news, the government's defending its record on tackling knife crime amid a third crackdown in just eight years. the home secretary says the new restrictions are aimed at closing what he called aimed at closing what he called a loophole that allowed some types of zombie style knives to be kept and sold . for more on be kept and sold. for more on all of those stories, you can visit our website gbnews.com .

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the camilla tominey show sunday mornings from 930 on gb news is. >> waldo kalakani, who stabbed three people to death in nottingham city centre and attacked three others, has been sentenced at nottingham crown court to a hospital order after admitting manslaughter by diminished responsibility and attempted murder . attempted murder. >> emma webber, mother of nottingham stabbings victim barnaby webber , said outside the barnaby webber, said outside the court that true justice has not been served today, adding the families of waldo calacanis victims had been let down by the cps and the police of after the triple killer was handed an indefinite hospital order. shall we speak with former met police detective peter bleksley , who's detective peter bleksley, who's covered this story in extensively with us and indeed

has has a personal connection to this tragic story? >> yes, peter , could you first >> yes, peter, could you first start off by explaining what what your connection is here? >> yes. our youngest son is currently at nottingham university, and on that fateful morning of the 13th of june last yean morning of the 13th of june last year, my son and his friend left the same nightclub that grace and barnaby had been in at about the same time . unfortunately for the same time. unfortunately for them , they got into a mini cab them, they got into a mini cab and of course, as we know, tragically, grace and barnaby walked off to their untimely , walked off to their untimely, revolting and ultimate avoidable deaths . deaths. >> it is just extraordinary . >> it is just extraordinary. >> it is just extraordinary. >> peter, did your did your son know? uh, barnaby and grace? or was he just happened to be at the same the same nightclub? yes, indeed. >> one of our son's house mates and great friends. since primary school played cricket alongside barnaby and the reverberations of these appalling crimes went

throughout the university community and of course, spread further afield. i do hope that grace barnaby and ian's families will forgive me for mentioning this connection . i don't wish in this connection. i don't wish in any way to downplay the unimaginable grief that they are suffering and will suffer for the rest of their lives . as the rest of their lives. as i mention it, purely as an illustration of perhaps how widespread , or perhaps even more widespread, or perhaps even more damaging , this utterly damaging, this utterly unacceptable , appalling unacceptable, appalling behaviour of this murderous man could have been. >> it was really moving, listening to emma webber, the mother of barnaby webber, speaking after the sentencing with some fairly cutting words for a host of different, uh, players in the last few months , players in the last few months, the police, the social services , the police, the social services, the police, the social services, the court system , she said she'd the court system, she said she'd

foolishly trusted in the system , foolishly trusted in the system, um, and said that true justice has not been done today. >> indeed, a statement . >> indeed, a statement. >> indeed, a statement. >> yes, indeed. and other words which are etched into my brain now were when she said of nottinghamshire police , you have nottinghamshire police, you have blood on your hands , as blood on your hands, as kallocain was of course wanted on warrant for assaulting a police officer , an event that police officer, an event that arose from an earlier occasion when he was detained and sectioned under the mental health act . sectioned under the mental health act. he sectioned under the mental health act . he assaulted sectioned under the mental health act. he assaulted an officer whilst being conveyed to a health facility as is so often the case, unfortunately , in the case, unfortunately, in contemporary policing , when contemporary policing, when people become wanted , a warrant people become wanted, a warrant is issued and sometimes that warrant just simply sits in a drawer with very little attention paid to it and no proactive action taken in order to try and locate it. detain and lock these people. of course , in

lock these people. of course, in this situation, it had tragic consequences and whilst i accept what the assistant commissioner from nottinghamshire police says in that holac might not necessarily have been serving a jail, terms for that particular offence, i think he's probably used a crystal ball there . um, used a crystal ball there. um, and who's to say that kallocain might not have been detained for other offending that we know he did, but was not subject to charges for, and therefore did not proceed through the criminal justice system in relation to other offences , as perhaps he other offences, as perhaps he might should have done. >> peter . clearly the, uh, the >> peter. clearly the, uh, the family of the victims don't believe that justice has been served here, ian coates's son said that caldo vallecano has got away with murder . um. with got away with murder. um. with this. what do you understand why the judge made this decision? >> i understand why the judge

made his decision on. but i'm also very, very aware of why the family feel . the families feel family feel. the families feel as aggrieved as they are. let's look at what came out during this very short trial. caloocan contacted his brother the previous evening and had a conversation with him whereby he said, you may not see me again if i get injured. don't come and visit me in hospital. clear indicators that this murderous creature was plotting, preparing and planning to carry out the most heinous acts . and i'm sure most heinous acts. and i'm sure thatis most heinous acts. and i'm sure that is one of the reasons why the family feels so aggrieved that he did not stand trial for murder , did not get convicted of murder, did not get convicted of those crimes, and therefore was not subjected to a whole life prison time in a jail. >> well, it is chilling, peter.

watching these images on screen now of osvaldo calican walking in almost a nonchalant way . um, in almost a nonchalant way. um, not not rushing , just calmly not not rushing, just calmly walking. and then as we see here, almost breaking in to a house, being pushed back , but house, being pushed back, but walking about from crime to crime as if he didn't have a care in the world. in your experience as a met police detective , have you seen detective, have you seen anything like this before where these are true , shocking, these are true, shocking, appalling crimes and the nonchalant manner in which he prowls , calls, perhaps gives an prowls, calls, perhaps gives an indicator that he had further murderous deeds in his head. >> perhaps we shall never know. but this is an unsatisfactory conclusion. perhaps he will die in a secure hospital. be that rampton or broadmoor, or some other similar institution . but i

other similar institution. but i firmly understand why the families are so aggrieved , and i families are so aggrieved, and i also urge police forces the length and breadth of the country , who, of course, will country, who, of course, will claim that they're overworked. but i urge them not to always choose the path of the least resistance , which is what they resistance, which is what they sometimes do, takes take the child of sexual abuse rings, for example, where we hear that people are arrested for perhaps drug offences and the really difficult offences . rs are not difficult offences. rs are not thoroughly investigated. they go for the easy hit, ask any aggrieved motorist about that . aggrieved motorist about that. but sometimes the path of least resistance means that people are not fully and properly put through . to the criminal justice through. to the criminal justice system, so that proper assessments , proper reports, assessments, proper reports, cannot be presented to a judge or a magistrate. whoever might

be sentencing. therefore people who should be locked up are quite simply, sometimes not locked up . locked up. >> and just quickly, peter, before we cross back to nottingham, uh , does this have nottingham, uh, does this have to be the conclusion the families were asked by the media there what their next steps might be. they clearly don't believe they've been served justice here. what could they potentially be do from here? this is not the last time we will hear from the aggrieved families. >> i would imagine they will urge, with the backing of lawyers , for some of public lawyers, for some form of public inquiry . mhm. inquiry. mhm. >> well, peter, stay with us. we're going to cross back now to nottingham crown court and speak to our east midlands. reporter will hollis, who's been following this trial. and will what, what extraordinary scenes . what, what extraordinary scenes. what a powerful set of statements there from the families affected . yes, a very families affected. yes, a very direct message from emma webber ,

direct message from emma webber, barney's mum, towards nottinghamshire police and particularly the assistant chief constable, rob griffin. she said you have blood on your hands that sentence there, that phrase really epitomises the statements that we've just heard on the steps of nottingham crown court here in the city that these families, the families of barnaby webber and grace o'malley kumar, 19 year old students who were on their way home from a night out , and ian home from a night out, and ian coates's family, the 65 year old school caretaker who was doing the opposite journey . the opposite journey. >> he was on the way to work that they feel that justice has not been done today. another quote from emma webber there on the steps . the steps. >> she said that she feels that the system has failed her, that they have grave concerns about nottinghamshire police, that you have blood on your hands now. this is because of aldo calican , this is because of aldo calican, the 32 year old who is responsible for these crimes, who pleaded guilty to

manslaughter, not to murder under the grounds of diminished responsibility, has been detained under the mental health act. >> he is going to be spending time in ashworth prison now. that's the sentence that he was given by mr justice turner. that's the sentence that he was given by mrjustice turner. only a few moments ago here at nottingham crown court, mr justice turner said you require treatment but for your mental illness you would not have committed these acts. it is very likely that you will never be released . and now aldo calican, released. and now aldo calican, who has already supposed to have been under types of treatment for the psychotic disorder of schizo phrenia, is expected to go on to a new type of medication called clozapine. that's because the type of schizophrenia that mr calican has, who also goes by the name of adam mendez, is treatment resistant. so he's going to go on to the last resort of treatment, essentially just a reminder of this case and the

horrific details that shocked not just nottingham, but the country . back on june the 13th, country. back on june the 13th, we woke up to a situation where people were thinking, this must have been a terror attack because of the nature of the crimes across the city in four different locations one on ilkeston road, where the two students had been stabbed, we now know from what we've heard in court this week, is that they were stabbed to death with a double edged dagger, aldo calican, carrying around a rucksack full of weapons, and that his attacks were uncompromisingly brutal. then he went to on try and get into a hostel where homeless men had been staying. he was pushed away from a window, backed away with a punch and a push. he then went on to magdala road, which was just around the corner, making ian coates the 65 year old caretaker, come out of his car before stabbing him to death . so before stabbing him to death. so his van stole his van, driving it into the city, where he would run down three different people. all, of course, those three

people were lucky to survive. in the words of the court's lawyers here over this week. but they were part of this investigation, including the attempted murder charges . while he has been found charges. while he has been found guilty and pled guilty to guilty to manslaughter, he's also pleaded guilty to attempted murder . a pleaded guilty to attempted murder. a really horrific case. and you can see just by the number of media that were here, as well as the amount of friends and family that on the steps just how affected they have been by this, not just the city of nottingham, not just britain, not just these small families, but the families ultimately saying on the steps here that they do not think that justice has been done. they feel that they have been failed, that there is blood on the hands of nottinghamshire police , the nottinghamshire police, the constabulary force that constabulary force here that investigate valdo calican and these crimes. they also say that there needs to be a review of mental health services here in

nottingham . valdo carl heneghan nottingham. valdo carl heneghan had sectioned four times had been sectioned four times since 2019, the first time that he was known to police. there was also a warrant out for valdo calacanis arrest from an assault. an alleged assault on a police officer from back in september when the police were thought to be um , were were thought to be um, were were taking . valdo calican between taking. valdo calican between mental health institutions so at that time, when there was a warrant out, rob griffin says that, um, the, the assistant chief constable of nottinghamshire police said they should have been pursuing valdo calican. they should have been trying to arrest him. and of course, because he was not arrested , because that warrant arrested, because that warrant was not achieved . he went on to was not achieved. he went on to kill three people in nottingham on june the 13th. will hollis, thank you so much for that comprehensive summary of what has been an extraordinary moment at nottingham crown court. >> will hollis, there are east midlands reporter yes , uh, shall

midlands reporter yes, uh, shall we speak now? >> back to peter bleksley, who is still with us in the studio. you said that the families may pursue a public inquiry of sorts. these things don't happen quickly , though, do they? quickly, though, do they? >> no. they don't. and i'm a firm believer that justice delayed is justice denied. this case is worthy of far greater investigation. now to establish exactly who did what in terms of mental health services, the nottinghamshire constabulary and other was three people tragically lost their lives. and of course, i've mentioned grace and barnaby, but it would be totally remiss of me not to pay tribute to ian coates as well. a man just a few short months from collecting his pension and his state pension who'd worked hard all his life and was a hugely respected and much loved man who enjoyed football , who enjoyed enjoyed football, who enjoyed fishing, the kind of things that i enjoy, i'm sure we would have

had a really good time together. he will never enjoy that retirement point and that, of course, remains a tragedy. standing alone all by itself. absolutely >> and peter, just finally , it >> and peter, just finally, it won't have escaped people's attention that valdo kalakani was not a british citizen. he arrived in this country in two thousand and seven. he was known to the authorities , frankly, to the authorities, frankly, should he have been removed from this country before this attack took place ? took place? >> well, i know not of any history of offending prior to 2020. if there was indeed any. between 2000 and then. but quite simply, kalakani is not alone. there are people prowling our streets with criminal convictions obtained here and abroad before they even entered our shores. the number is we can only take a guess at, because there quite simply, the home office and other bodies do not know and this is an imported

problem of the government's making . and until we have robust making. and until we have robust policing , effective home office. policing, effective home office. so that people who are not here who sorry, who do not deserve to be here are, quite frankly , be here are, quite frankly, booted out of the country, then who's to know what further bloodshed may happen? >> thank you very much >> well, thank you very much indeed for time. former indeed for your time. former metropolitan police detective peter whose was peter bleksley, whose son was actually at nightclub that actually at the nightclub that grace and barnaby were at in nottingham that night. >> but coming up, more to come, much more to come after these few messages. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news . weather on gb news. >> i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news the storms have gone. doesn't mean it's fine and sunny out there today though. a lot of cloud around some rain but it is pretty mild. that's because we've got these weather fronts moving country in

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away. >> good afternoon britain. >> good afternoon britain. >> it is exactly 1:00 on thursday. the 25th of january. >> nottingham attack triple killer aldo calican has been sentenced for fatally stabbing barnaby webber , grace o'malley, barnaby webber, grace o'malley, kuma and ian coates last june . kuma and ian coates last june. calican is to be detained in a high security hospital indefinitely . high security hospital indefinitely. emma webber, high security hospital indefinitely . emma webber, the indefinitely. emma webber, the mother of victim barnaby webber, said outside court that true justice has not been served. today we'll be bringing you all the very latest reaction from outside nottingham crown court and it comes as the government announces a zombie knife crackdown, terrifying zombie style knives and machetes will be banned under new legislation. >> the government says it has been ratcheting up its approach to knife crime for years, but should there be a mandatory jail sentence for anyone found carrying such a weapon and british homes for british

workers , should those be born in workers, should those be born in the united kingdom, be prioritised when it comes to social housing? >> that's what the government reportedly wants to make happen. some some say the policy is unworkable, but is it simply common sense . common sense. well as expected, lots of you have been getting in touch on that decision by the judge. >> that sentencing of the triple killer in nottingham, in fact , killer in nottingham, in fact, we've had a very powerful message from saleem who says as a schizophrenic myself , it seems a schizophrenic myself, it seems to me that kalakani got away with murder . with murder. >> where was the care in the community? wasn't he on disability benefits? didn't he get a council flat? and he goes on to say powerfully, i am not a murderer. i don't go around killing people. i give excess cash to charity and live my life . i do my music, write my spreadsheet program and carry on. i'm a gentle giant. that's

from saleem, someone who himself has schizophrenia , who says that has schizophrenia, who says that we shouldn't be using this as an excuse for someone who's killed people. >> yes. and sue says this was premeditated murder. he went out armed to the teeth in order to murder somebody . the police and murder somebody. the police and lawyers should be ashamed of themselves. she says this is all disgusting thing. >> and ian says, totally agree that the verdict is wrong. it was murder. however, a hospital order may be more likely to keep this man locked up for longer than a prison sentence unless a whole life order the parole system is a disgrace. so that's an interesting that's an interesting voice there. >> that's an interesting point. and just the last one for now, marion says. i watched your report on the terrible murders. marion says. i watched your repowrites he terrible murders. marion says. i watched your repowrites in terrible murders. marion says. i watched your repowrites in capital�* murders. marion says. i watched your repowrites in capital letters rs. marion says. i watched your repowrites in capital letters of she writes in capital letters of three british citizens with tears down face. in tears running down my face. in my opinion , the judge who my opinion, the judge who believed his about being believed his lies about being mentally a clown. so mentally impaired is a clown. so as you can see, very emotive. >> lots , lots of emotion about >> lots, lots of emotion about this whole whole tragic story and plenty more to come. but

before we dive into greater detail , here are your before we dive into greater detail, here are your headlines with tatiana . with tatiana. >> tom, thank you very much. 1:03. these are your top stories from the gp newsroom. as you've been hearing a man who stabbed three people to death in nottingham centre last year nottingham city centre last year has sentenced to a hospital has been sentenced to a hospital order. 32 year old osvaldo carl heneghan killed two students. barnaby webber and grace o'malley kumar, and school caretaker ian coats. he pleaded not guilty to murder due to mental illness, but admitted manslaughter and will be detained in a high security hospital indefinitely . the judge hospital indefinitely. the judge says probably for the rest of his life. the judge told kalakani that his actions had sentenced many relatives and friends of the victims to a life of grief pain. friends of the victims to a life of (your pain. friends of the victims to a life of (your sickening crimes both >> your sickening crimes both shocked the nation and wrecked the lives of your surviving victims and the families of them all. none of the evidence

relating to your mental state detracts from the horror of your actions . actions. >> while speaking to the media following that sentencing, emma webber, the mother of barnaby, says justice has not been served at no point during the previous five and a half months will be given any indication that this could conclude in anything other than murder. >> we trusted in our system foolishly , as it turns out, we foolishly, as it turns out, we do not dispute that the murderer is mentally unwell and has been for a number of years. however, the premeditated planning the collection of lethal weapons, hiding in the shadows and the brutality of the attacks are of an individual who knew exactly what he was doing when he knew entirely that it was wrong, but he did it anyway. >> in other news, the government is defending its record on tackling knife crime amid a third crackdown on in just eight years. the home secretary says the new restrictions are aimed at closing what he called a loophole that allowed some types of zombie style knives to be

kept and sold. but shadow home secretary yvette cooper says the fresh still doesn't fresh legislation still doesn't go far enough . go far enough. >> it'sjust go far enough. >> it's just too little, too late. >> it doesn't include ninja swords. it doesn't include a whole series of dangerous weapons and the penalties also aren't strong enough. they've been promising this ban on zombie knives for a long time, andifs zombie knives for a long time, and it's still not going to come in until the autumn . shoplift in until the autumn. shoplift offences in england and wales are at the highest level in 20 years, says the office for national statistics says more than 400,000 offences were recorded in the year to september. >> that's up by nearly a third. downing street says ministers are looking into how to tackle the rising problem . criminal the rising problem. criminal gangs who tried to sneak items into prisons using drones will face new penalties from today. new 400 metre no fly zones are now in force around prisons. it means anyone caught trying to fly items such as phones, drugs or weapons into prisons using

those drones will pay a 2500 pound fine. they'll also be a ten year maximum prison sentence for criminals who breached the restrictions. as a 17 tonne consignment of family size tents will be flown into gaza today as part of an agreement between britain and qatar. it's after the foreign secretary's trip to jerusalem yesterday he met with families of hostages who are still being held in gaza by hamas since the 7th of october. lord cameron also met israel's prime minister, benjamin netanyahu , telling him there netanyahu, telling him there must be an immediate pause in the fighting in gaza as he pushed the israeli prime minister over a two state solution . questions remain over solution. questions remain over the downing of a plane near russia's border with ukraine yesterday that killed all 74 people on board the kremlin is accusing ukraine of targeting the aircraft, which it says was carrying prisoners, as part of a planned exchange . ukraine hasn't planned exchange. ukraine hasn't confirmed whether it opened fire. it says the prisoner swap was due to take place, but russia did not inform them of

how the prisoners would be transported or of an approaching aircraft. ukraine's president vladimir zelenskyy says more clarity was needed , but it's clarity was needed, but it's clear russia's playing with the lives of ukrainian prisoners and their loved ones, he says . the their loved ones, he says. the ghanaian equivalent of the crown jewels will be sent back to the west african nation as part of a loan from the victoria and albert museum and the british museum. the 32 precious items were taken during wars in the 19th century. they include a sword of state, gold badges worn by officials of the king and a gold peace pipe. the museum's are prevented by law from returning the items permanently. however v&a director tristram hunt says they their responsibility to share objects with their countries of origin wherever possible . this is gb wherever possible. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play your smart speaker by saying play gb news us. now back to tom and . emily

and. emily >> it's 108. our top story and. emily >> it's108. our top story this houn >> it's108. our top story this hour. waldo calican, who stabbed three people to death in nottingham city centre and attacked three others, has now been sentenced at nottingham crown court to a hospital order after admitting manslaughter by diminished responsibility and attempted murder earlier this week. >> he admitted the manslaughter of the three victims by reason of the three victims by reason of diminished responsibility and has also admitted three counts of attempted murder relating to pedestrians. he deliberately targeted with a van he had stolen from the school caretaker , mr coates. >> yes, well , all of , mr coates. >> yes, well, all of this comes on the very same day that the government are to crack down on dangerous zombie style knives and machetes , which are to be and machetes, which are to be banned under new legislation. >> under the new measures, it will be to illegal possess, manufacture, sell or transport these weapons and the government is urging anyone who currently owns a zombie style knife or

machete to voluntarily hand them in to a knife. surrender bin before the official surrender and compensation scheme is launched in the summer. >> well, we can now speak with gb news political correspondent olivia utley. the government are hoping that this crackdown will have an impact on the types of crimes we're talking about today. unfortunately . today. unfortunately. >> well, absolutely. but we should say that this is not by any means the first time that the government has tried to crack down on zombie knives, there have been numerous attempts over the last 6 or 7 years, and actually the government website has 16 different releases over different press releases over that time period where it talks about cracking down on zombie knives. the purpose of the measures announced today is essentially to close a couple of loopholes . there was a loophole loopholes. there was a loophole that police weren't able to seize zombie knives at a person's place of residence. that's now been closed up, and

also possessing a zombie knife , also possessing a zombie knife, even if there's no evidence that it was to be used to endanger life, is now going to be a crime from september. labour has said that it doesn't go far enough. labour would like to widen the definition of a zombie knife to include blades of all sorts of different lengths and different serrated edges , etc. the serrated edges, etc. the question is, of course, would that be doable? labour has laid out all sorts of measures that it would plan to implement, but it would plan to implement, but it hasn't laid out any more funding for the programme. it's keir starmer saying that he wants to draw on £100 million worth of funding, which he's already promised to youth services, and he says that it will be possible through, uh, cutting on duplication and cutting down on duplication and involving the charity sector . involving the charity sector. well, that's something that we've from labour lots of we've heard from labour lots of times before . ultimately, the times before. ultimately, the problem for both parties is that banning knives altogether is very, very difficult indeed.

there are of course, lots of legitimate reasons to own a knife. and so essentially , knife. and so essentially, wherever it's a sort of many—headed snake, whenever you ban one sort of knife, another p0ps up ban one sort of knife, another pops up in its place. so it's a constant fight against the scourge of knife crime, with tragic consequences , as we're tragic consequences, as we're seeing today. well, thank you very much indeed. >> gb news political correspondent olivia utley . now, correspondent olivia utley. now, it's interesting, tom, because, uh, uh, grace o'malley, one of the victims of this triple killer, um , kalakani , uh, she's killer, um, kalakani, uh, she's called for mandatory sentences. the mother has called for mandatory sentences for those found carrying a knife. and people have very different opinions on this. should there be a one size fits all approach . be a one size fits all approach. but when you see horrific crimes as, um, killings like the one we're seeing while talking about today, yeah, it does make you wonder whether that is the answer. >> it but it also raises >> it does. but it also raises the question, would this this violent killer kalakani have

found another way if the specific knife he used happened to have been illegal, if he was intent on going on a murderous rampage, would he not have found another way? i mean, we saw the way in which he used a van as a potential murder weapon . is it potential murder weapon. is it really going to do all that much to ban another knife? we could he not find something else to use? or is it even possible to ban these sorts of knives ? are ban these sorts of knives? are we going to search every home? there are lots of logistical questions here. and for what? it's worth, what i think is it's probably more effective to go after those who are likely to commit acts of violent crime. then the tools that they use . then the tools that they use. >> and we so often hear about multiple failings by the police , multiple failings by the police, by the social services, when it comes to perpetrators of crimes like this one. i guess if you have murderous intentions , you have murderous intentions, you may find another object to use

in order to perpetrate your crimes. but but maybe a ban might help in one way or another. i'm not so sure. >> well, let's get some more on this. we can speak with councillor andrew dinsmore, someone who is a victim of a mugging in which a machete was involved. uh, councillor dinsmore, thank you so much for joining us this afternoon. first of all, could you tell us a bit about what your experience, which , thankfully, uh , did not which, thankfully, uh, did not leave you with a great amount of physical harm, but it does show the danger on our streets . the danger on our streets. >> uh, good afternoon. yes. thank you for having me in. uh, my wife and i were walking down the street in broad daylight in the street in broad daylight in the may bank holiday of 2022. uh, two men approached us dressed entirely in black black balaclavas , on black gloves and balaclavas, on black gloves and motorcycle helmets. the man on the back jumped off, marched towards me, pulled out an 18 inch matte black machete . uh, my inch matte black machete. uh, my wife backed away. uh, she

thought i was going to be beheaded in a terrorist attack . beheaded in a terrorist attack. uh, he charged towards me, screaming , give me your watch. screaming, give me your watch. give me your effing watch i um, i give me your effing watch! um, i thought he might take my arm off, or he might physically attack for me. able to attack me for me. i was able to get watch off quickly. i gave get my watch off quickly. i gave it him. walked back it to him. he walked back towards the moped. uh, he then stared my wife, which one stared at my wife, which was one of because of the scariest moments because i he was going to i wasn't sure if he was going to then fortunately he then attack her. fortunately he didn't. uh, they got on the moped and they drove off. uh, the police were absolutely amazing there on the scene . amazing there on the scene. within five minutes, two armed response units , uh, they response units, uh, they pursued, uh, the two individuals. but unfortunately, because they were on mopeds, they got away on that evening. i am pleased to say, however, that the police together the am pleased to say, however, that the pfootage. together the am pleased to say, however, that the pfootage. theyygether the am pleased to say, however, that the pfootage. they trackedthe am pleased to say, however, that the pfootage. they tracked them cctv footage. they tracked them down. they were arrested. they pleaded guilty , and they got 35 pleaded guilty, and they got 35 years in prison between the two of them. um, and unfortunately, this had been part of a spree. they were doing. they attacked seven people ten days. they seven people in ten days. they took one person's eye out and they one person's elbow

they took one person's elbow off. relatively off. so i got away relatively lucky. well it sounds as though that's how the justice system should work. >> you must have been pretty shaken up. you and your partner from experience. sounds from that experience. it sounds absolutely horrendous. worst nightmare come up against nightmare to come up against that kind of that kind of threat. do you think banning certain types of knives is the way to go ? this kind of way to go? this kind of legislation, will that really prevent this threat on our streets , or is this more of a streets, or is this more of a cultural problem that we're facing in our society ? facing in our society? >> uh, well, look, i think the solution to this is, uh, multifaceted on the hard enforcement end. obviously, you've got extra police like the government invested in, in london with record numbers. you've got legislation like they're introducing in the autumn increase using the weapons that fall within it, increasing giving weapons that fall within it, incrpolice giving weapons that fall within it, incrpolice extra giving weapons that fall within it, incrpolice extra powers. iving weapons that fall within it, incrpolice extra powers. but| weapons that fall within it, incrpolice extra powers. but of the police extra powers. but of course, you've also got outreach, you've got education. i've worked with many volunteer groups that seek to reach out to young people or to educate them, because the reality of my

experience is that whilst it was unpleasant for me, the lives that were actually ruined were the two individuals that perpetrated this who are now going to spend a very significant period prison and significant period in prison and have their lives. so have ruined their lives. and so we've to reach out to young we've got to reach out to young people. we've got to make sure that they understand that by carrying weapons, you can carrying these weapons, you can in kill somebody or in an instant kill somebody or maim them. and also ruin your own life. and one of the things i'm most pleased about with the government's announcement today is scheme. an is their compensation scheme. an amnesty where they will repurchase these weapons for £10 to them out of circulation , to get them out of circulation, out of young people's hands and into the authorities . into the authorities. >> well, councillor andrew dinsmore, thank you so much for coming sharing your story coming on, sharing your story and talking a bit more about this, this new legislation in that we're learning about today. thank you. >> well , let's return thank you. >> well, let's return again to our top story of the day . our top story of the day. kalakani, who stabbed three people to death in nottingham city centre and attacked three others, has now been sentenced

at nottingham crown court to a hospital order after admitting manslaughter by diminished responsibility and attempted murder . murder. >> well, we can cross back now. live to nottingham crown court and speak to our east midlands. reporter will hollis, and we'll just run through very briefly what has happened today , what what has happened today, what the judge has said and frankly , the judge has said and frankly, why the families involved are so angry with this process . yes angry with this process. yes >> well, mr justice turner , the >> well, mr justice turner, the judge who was presiding over this sentencing hearing today, chose chose to give valdo kalakani, 32 year old killer of those three people, students grace o'malley kumar and barnaby webber, as well as school caretaker ian coates. he chose to give a hospital order, which means that valdo kalakani will now be sent to ashworth secure hosphal now be sent to ashworth secure hospital, where he will spend an indefinite time. probably the rest of his life, being treated

for schizophrenia in a secure hospital. he chose that instead of a hybrid order, which means rather than hospital treatment in a similar way, probably still at ashworth and then later, depending on the improvement of his condition, a prison sentence, which would be for most likely most of the rest of his life. now he did that because of the severity of aldo kalakani's mental illness. that's the same reason that we saw the prosecution accept those pleas under the grounds of diminished responsibility . so diminished responsibility. so aldo kalakani will never see the inside of a prison sentence . and inside of a prison sentence. and that ultimately is what the reason behind why the families of grace of barnaby and of ian are so upset about. we heard on the courtroom steps only about half an hour ago when the case ended. just how upset they were from emma webber , barnaby's mum. from emma webber, barnaby's mum. she said that they have been failed by services including the police . they said that the police. they said that the

police. they said that the police has blood on their hands now . ian's police has blood on their hands now. ian's son lee, he said that this man is a killer and murder is the only thing that he cared about. these crimes shocked not just nottingham. they shocked britain and i don't think that this is the last thing that we're going to hear about it. we were asked media were asking the family as they made those statements. would you like to see an inquiry now? would you like to see some sort of investigation happened investigation into what happened to beforehand, to aldo kalakani beforehand, when sectioned , when he when he was sectioned, when he was known to police with a warrant out for his arrest and then went on to commit those crimes? has happened crimes? and what has happened now in court? so i don't think this is the last time that we see legal matters presented around this. and a public inquiry could be something that we see in the future . we see in the future. >> well, will, thank you so much for bringing us that overview. we'll back with you we'll be back with you throughout program on this throughout the program on this shocking, shocking turn of events in nottingham. yes we'll be sticking with that sentencing at nottingham crown court

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news. >> now it's just coming up to one 24in the afternoon. you are, of course, watching. good afternoon britain with me , emily afternoon britain with me, emily and tom. now we will be bringing you updates as we get them from nottingham. of course we will. please do keep your views coming in on that sentencing decision from the judge there at the crown court. we were just heanng crown court. we were just hearing from will hollis, our reporter. keep your views coming in. vaiews@gbnews.com has justice been served with a hospital order for. >> but in the meantime , after >> but in the meantime, after the head of the british army warned that the uk would need to introduce conscription in the event of war due to dwindling troop numbers, many people have questioned whether the current generation of young people would be capable of defending the country. >> yes. would they be? well, several army veterans dubbed young people snowflakes who would run for the hills if they were conscripted , whilst one were conscripted, whilst one person joked the war would have to by so gen z could to stop by 3:00. so gen z could get some me time in and contemplate the risks of the climate emergency .

climate emergency. >> so our young people , too soft >> so our young people, too soft to defend this country ? or would to defend this country? or would they rise to the occasion if they rise to the occasion if they got that call up to debate this with joined in the studio by the assistant editor of prospect, prospect magazine , prospect, prospect magazine, emily lawford, and the political commentator alex armstrong. commentator alex arm strong. welcome commentator alex armstrong. welcome to you both. um, alex, you believe that every young person is simply too woke ? why? person is simply too woke? why? >> well, let's look at let's just be real, shall we? the woke fat , just be real, shall we? the woke fat, individualistic , overweight. >> i mean, look , they can't >> i mean, look, they can't spend more than ten minutes without looking at their phones and doing a tiktok reel. >> so let's just be real here. >> so let's just be real here. >> how are we going to put them on a front line and they'll just be fodder, they? be cannon fodder, won't they? they'll cannon fodder they'll just be cannon fodder for who are much for the russians, who are much more disciplined than are more disciplined than we are and have time in have a much tougher time in life. know, life. so i think, you know, let's be real. there let's let's be real. there there's a massive amount of young people who refuse get young people who refuse to get into when into the workplace, and when they they spend six months they do, they spend six months at they're probably they do, they spend six months at to they're probably they do, they spend six months

at to tion 're probably they do, they spend six months at to tion the)robably they do, they spend six months at to tion the front)ly they do, they spend six months at to tion the front line going to stay on the front line forever. frankly, forever. and frankly, i think that generation that whole generation is anti—war war they're anti—war war and they're becoming anti british. they becoming very anti british. they don't like the monarchy as we've seen poll after poll. they're very anti—monarchy. so they're certainly not going to be fighting the king. of fighting for the king. most of them sunak, them don't like rishi sunak, which, know, you could argue which, you know, you could argue is at this is most of the country at this point. who will they be point. and so who will they be fighting for? what will fighting for? what values will they be fighting for? >> uh, alex makes a >> well, emily, uh, alex makes a good there. does he not? good point there. does he not? are people patriots sick are young people patriots sick enough to go to war on behalf of this country ? this country? >> i think, yes, i think they would have to if it came down to it. if the values you talk about liberty and freedom, i think young people really care about that. i would that that. i think i would argue that young people campaigning on things like the climate emergency a desire to emergency shows a desire to protect our future. and if britain's future was at stake, i think young people would step up. i don't think any generation think young people would step up. really: think any generation think young people would step up. really: thinireadygeneration think young people would step up. really: thiniready foreration think young people would step up. really: thiniready for war,yn has really seen ready for war, but happens, i think, but when it happens, i think, you people are sadly you know, when people are sadly have had to, i think they've been able to much positive been able to much more positive view you. view of young people than you. >> just >> alex. perhaps you're just dismissing them too early. if it

actually came down to it. and a lot of young people are massively fitness, they're massively into fitness, they're not lazing on not all overweight. lazing on the sofa, although i have just read this morning that they spend of over two spend an average of over two hours on tiktok every day, so that's not great. >> that's just one platform. >> that's just one platform. >> emily, maybe you're dismissing the younger generation too quickly. look, let's let's look at the let's let's just look at the last weekends as an example let's let's just look at the larhow weekends as an example let's let's just look at the larhow manyzends as an example let's let's just look at the larhow many young s an example let's let's just look at the larhow many young people ample let's let's just look at the larhow many young people arele let's let's just look at the larhow many young people are out of how many young people are out on protesting a war on the street protesting a war that started terrorists that was started by terrorists slaughtering innocent people. >> country. mean, >> in another country. i mean, they be bothered they might not even be bothered if the of wight got if the isle of wight got defended. frankly attacked, frankly. so i mean, the people of isle wight would. of the isle of wight would. well, well, the people well, well, well, the people of the wight but the isle of wight would. but there's of them, so there's not many of them, so we'd send them all the we'd have to send them all the conscripted there, conscripted units over there, and the war and they'll be stopping the war at of portsmouth. at the borders of portsmouth. more likely, say, look, more than likely, and say, look, i don't they're patriotic. more than likely, and say, look, i don't they re patriotic. more than likely, and say, look, i don't they havetriotic. more than likely, and say, look, i don't they have these i don't think they have these values we so, know, values that we so, you know, we, we dear. if you're we hold very dear. if you're especially you're especially if you're a conservative person, conservative thinking person, you hold those very dear. you hold those values very dear. those to shut half you hold those values very dear. tho country to shut half you hold those values very dear. tho country up. to shut half you hold those values very dear. tho country up. they) shut half you hold those values very dear. tho country up. they want: half you hold those values very dear. tho country up. they want to alf the country up. they want to have laws stop saying have laws to stop people saying whatever want whatever they like. they want to they clamp down on they want to clamp down on freedom of speech. so really

freedom of speech. so i really just these the just don't think these are the right people to send into the front line. >> em >> anyway, some of that authoritarianism in authoritarianism might come in handy a case of handy in a case of a case of war. emily. >> yeah. i mean, i am technically gen z on the older side of it, but i think side of it, but and i think if it down could it came down to it, i could i think most of my friends could, i think, you gen i think, are you saying gen z are lazy or are you saying because going out on the streets does lot of effort does take quite a lot of effort and passion? i think that passion could be redirected if something important along. something important came along. >> unfair. z >> you're being unfair. gen z are passionate people and can are passionate people and we can redeploy the passion. >> well, there's certainly passion about starbucks and tiktok their own personal tiktok and their own personal lives. i mean, they all seem to think they're famous. >> starbucks? >> want to boycott starbucks? well, well, some of them do, definitely. >> but you'll see them popping up the, up in military bases across the, across keep them across europe. but to keep them entertained have their entertained and have their coffee day. coffee taken intake of the day. but, look, some of the but, you know, look, some of the stats 51% of labour stats really 51% of labour vote voters not forget, voters. let's not forget, most young are labour voters young people are labour voters said they would under no circumstances to war, under circumstances go to war, under no circumstances. well, alex, would you go to war? yes, i would you go to war? yes, i would if i had to, i would go to war. so you're you're you

war. so you're you're but you but a millennial? yes but are you a millennial? yes i am. ah. >> so you're all more passionate. >> cusp. >> you're just on the cusp. well, a millennial, well, perhaps as a millennial, which i've taken which is how i've taken to describe emily, i is describe myself. emily, i is there an issue here, though, with perception and if there is this overriding perception that generation z that young people aren't going to be up for it, no matter if your arguments are true, you're not going to have the infrastructure delivered to call them up. if that ever came about. >> that's interesting . and i do >> that's interesting. and i do think some of this divisive generation wars could mean that unity is harder. but i do believe and maybe i'm an optimist, i do believe if a proper threat came about to the point that we needed to be called think people would called up, i think people would band i think band together. i think the divisions we've in divisions, as we've seen in other countries, the other countries, i think the divisions would be not completely forgotten, but i think people would work together. older together. i think older generations go war generations would also go to war and people staying at home would. would and people staying at home would sacrifices would and people staying at home would sacrifices and would and people staying at home would sacrifices and it.)uld and people staying at home would sacrifices and it.)u|we make sacrifices and do it. if we had to. >> and alex, there point in >> and alex, is there a point in contention to your arguments here that we've seen a war in

the last two years on the continent of europe? one side believes in family values and conscripting young hardy men, and they don't have tiktok. the other side just legalised. equal marriage is pro—lgbt rights. their army make tiktoks all the time. i'm talking, of course, about the ukrainian army who have successfully repelled the russian advance on kyiv, who have pushed back against all expectations . they've showed expectations. they've showed incredible bravery and perhaps all of your criticisms of wokery or millennial gen z tendencies would apply to that army. >> well , look, i would apply to that army. >> well, look, i think when you're taking the situation of russia and ukraine, it's a relatively unique situation. britain is far more aligned in its values and thinking with america. and i think , again, america. and i think, again, you're seeing this conscription problem they think problem in america. they think they uptake on they had 15,000 less uptake on their, um, general admission to their, um, general admission to the military just last year. so we're actually seeing that whole generation already pushing back and saying, actually, not and saying, actually, that's not for . i don't want to put my for me. i don't want to put my life line. and just

life on the line. and i just think that are far more think that we are far more critical of our values than russians and ukrainians are russians are, and ukrainians are . and think being in that . and i think being in that proximity to russia may make ukrainians generally more pro—war or and pro defence of their country . we don't have a their country. we don't have a big aggressor on our borders, so there's no enemy right next door to us. you could argue the biggest enemy is the english channel the for most channel at the moment. for most brits. you that's not brits. but, you know, that's not a to our nation. but a threat to our nation. yes, but it must. a threat to our nation. yes, but it in must. a threat to our nation. yes, but it in the1ust. a threat to our nation. yes, but it in the case of an attack, an >> in the case of an attack, an imminent attack, a life threatening attack on this country , surely young people, country, surely young people, fit and healthy young people would step up. >> i mean, only 12% of them said they would volunteer in a yougov poll. so i don't know how many would be forthcoming. >> isn't it? >> isn't it? >> it's very different from if it's there. yeah. >> i really think you can >> i really don't think you can say a country under say until a country is under threat. i'm sure if ukraine was like people like us, they're the same people i think it would. i think people 100% would change if they had to. i mean, volunteering to join the right now in america the army, right now in america when under when they're not under under serious is very different serious threat is very different to volunteering. if you actually

have to. >> well, emily and alex, you've put across strong cases. thank you joining us here you so much forjoining us here on afternoon britain. now on good afternoon britain. now let's latest news let's get your latest news updates tatiana . updates with tatiana. >> tom, thank you very much. these are your top stories from the gb news groom, a man who stabbed three people to death in nottingham city centre last year has been sentenced to a hospital order. 32 year old osvaldo calican killed two students, barnaby webber and grace o'malley. cooma and school caretaker ian coats. he pleaded not guilty to murder due to mental illness, but admitted manslaughter and will be detained in a high security hospital indefinitely. the mother of barnaby webber says the victims had been let down by the victims had been let down by the very system that should have been protecting them . in other been protecting them. in other news, the government's defending its record on tackling knife crime amid a third crackdown in just eight years. the home secretary says the new

restrictions are aimed at closing what he called a loophole that allowed some types of zombie style knives to be kept and sold. but labour criticised the fresh legislation , saying it still doesn't go far enough in. criminal gangs who try to sneak items into prisons using drones will face new penalties from today. new 400 metre no fly zones are now in force around prisons. it means anyone caught trying to fly items such as phones, drugs or weapons into prisons using drones will pay a 2500 pound fine. there will also be a ten year maximum prison sentence for criminals who breach the restrictions . nick la sturgeon restrictions. nick la sturgeon used an expletive to describe bofis used an expletive to describe boris johnson in pandemic era whatsapp messages . the covid 19 whatsapp messages. the covid 19 inquiry has heard. the former scottish first minister sent messages to her chief adviser, liz lloyd , strongly criticising liz lloyd, strongly criticising the then prime minister as he announced another . national announced another. national lockdown in october 2020. in the messages, mr aiden described his

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tonight, gb news the people's channel tonight, gb news the people's channel, britain's news. channel >> okay, it's 138 and let's return again to our lead story , return again to our lead story, waldo calican, who stabbed three people to death in nottingham city centre and attacked three others, has now been sentenced at nottingham crown court to a hospital order after admitting manslaughter by diminished responsibility and attempted murder. >> well, we can cross back now. live to nottingham crown court and speak to our east midlands reporter will hollis, who's been following this trial and will just give us a summary what has

happened today and why are the families so angry . yes families so angry. yes >> well, justice turner today sentence osvaldo calican to a hospital order, which means that he'll be sent back to ashworth hosphal he'll be sent back to ashworth hospital, a secure hospital in liverpool, where he has been for much of the time since those attacks past june . and now that attacks past june. and now that means that he won't be serving a prison sentence because of his schizophrenia . he was suffering schizophrenia. he was suffering from paranoid schizophrenia since at least 2019, and it was because of that paranoid schizophrenia that all of the evidence points towards that he killed his three victims, school caretaker ian coates, as well as the two university of nottingham students, barnaby webber and grace o'malley kumar. students, barnaby webber and grace o'malley kumar . valdo grace o'malley kumar. valdo calican, who is 32 and also goes by the alias adam mendez , has by the alias adam mendez, has pleaded guilty but under the grounds of diminished responsibility to manslaughter

because of his illness and that was accepted earlier this week by the prosecution . and it is by the prosecution. and it is ultimately that acceptance and that sentencing for a manslaughter conviction, not a murder conviction , that has made murder conviction, that has made the families of those three victims so upset. the families of those three victims so upset . and we saw on victims so upset. and we saw on the steps after the sentencing just how upset they were from barnaby webber's mother, emma , barnaby webber's mother, emma, she said that true justice has not been served today . she said not been served today. she said that we, as a devastated family have been let down by multiple multiple agencies and their ineffectiveness . she's talking ineffectiveness. she's talking about the police . she's talking about the police. she's talking about the police. she's talking about the police. she's talking about the crown prosecution service , and she's also talking service, and she's also talking about mental health services, which at times over the last three, four years had sectioned valdo calican, the police as well, had a warrant out for his arrest in place since september 22nd, 2022. that's something that they think should have been pursued and nottinghamshire

police have agreed should have been pursued. speaking specifically to rob griffin , who specifically to rob griffin, who was the detective who was the chief constable? assistant chief constable, my apologies. that was leading this investigation . was leading this investigation. she said that you have blood on your hands, that she has grave concerns about the police force. she was speaking with just one voice, but speaking on behalf of all of the families, we also heard from ian coates son, james. he said that this man is a killer. murder is the only thing he cared about. and he's gotten away with it today. now this was the ending of the sentencing hearing. this is the end of this part. but the families could quite reasonably be expected to go on to something else. maybe a public inquiry, if they were to call for it when they were answering questions from the media, they said that we need to regroup, think about what has happened and then take it from there. and then at that time, they said they're happy to talk to the press. but just a very quick reminder, osvaldo kalakani

killed three people, killed those three people, students caretakers by using students and caretakers by using a double edged fighting knife, a dagger back on the 13th of june, when it first happened, everybody , not just gb news, all everybody, not just gb news, all of the major channels, quite rightly thought that something major along the lines of a terrorist attack had happened here in nottingham city. that was because of the scale of what had happened. a van driving into people which we now know was stolen from ian coates, multiple stabbings in different parts of the city. but what we now know from what has happened in court today at nottingham is that valdo kalakani was suffering from schizophrenia and voice has told him to kill those people . told him to kill those people. >> well, will hollis, thank you so much for bringing us that overview outside nottingham crown court. the most extraordinary day , the most extraordinary day, the most extraordinary day, the most extraordinary story. now lots of you have been getting in touch. >> your reaction to the remarks made by the judge there, the decision for a hospital order rather than a murder conviction .

rather than a murder conviction. and so we're going to continue the discussion because we are joined by the political commentator emma webb and the former minister, former labour minister, ivor caplin. here in the studio. thank very much joining thank you very much for joining us. victims us. listening to the victims families and their statement that they made after this decision. um, hugely emotional to sit through and listen to. they clearly they've made it crystal clear they do not believe justice has been served. >> well, this is very strange. >> well, this is very strange. >> i think anybody looking at this, it's clearly murder . >> i think anybody looking at this, it's clearly murder. um, it's clearly , you know, it's clearly, you know, manslaughter is accidentally hitting someone with your car, and you really had no intention to kill them. >> whereas stabbing three people multiple and then multiple times and then hijacking a van and driving it into more people and seriously injuring them there is intentionality behind that. >> whether or not someone has psychosis. so the time for sectioning this man has long since passed. if he needs psychiatric treatment, that psychiatric treatment, that psychiatric treatment, that psychiatric treatment can be given to him. whilst he's in prison. um he's obviously shown , prison. um he's obviously shown, um, even before this crime , that

um, even before this crime, that he has a propensity for violence . um, who can blame the families? the parents, the siblings of these victims for feeling that it's not even that justice hasn't been done ? i justice hasn't been done? i mean, this is so far from justice. this man has quite literally gotten away with murder. >> and if we listen to the words of emma webber, the mother of barnaby webber, she was saying that true justice has not been served today, that she foolishly trusted in the system . she said trusted in the system. she said to the police, you have blood on your hands. and james coates, the son of ian coates, said that this is a mockery of the system and valdo carl heneghan got away with murder . the really powerful with murder. the really powerful statements , they're either very, statements, they're either very, very powerful indeed . very powerful indeed. >> i mean, as you've been saying, this has been an astonishing morning that we haven't really seen for many, many years. i don't think anywhere in the uk and, you know, it's difficult not to be with the families on all this because, you know, these , these

because, you know, these, these losses, these murders. >> as peter said earlier, with his family being close to his own family being close to that, how, how what could have happened to anyone , you know, happened to anyone, you know, and the, the, the, the, the, the, the older man also got attacked for all this. it's just just, just been a terrible, terrible morning. i am really i'm with emma on this. i really think that it probably that the decision is wrong. but i can see sometimes why these decisions are made in legal terms. i'm not are made in legal terms. i'm not a lawyer, so i can't be in that professional element. but there is just that moment of should something else have been done, i would suggest that probably. and i did talk to peter about this off air, but maybe the police themselves will carry out some inquiry into the decisions that have been made and that might help the family. but we don't know at the moment. and they rightly want a period of , of, of rightly want a period of, of, of letting people just get over

this because this is about more than just the justice system for the families of the victims. >> they spoke of. um failings from the police. nottinghamshire police failings, also from the nhs , mental health services nhs, mental health services failed , errors that led up to failed, errors that led up to this that could have prevented things that could have happened, that could have prevented this awful killing. >> well, it's clear there >> well, it's clear that there have series of failures have been a series of failures and not sure the and i'm not sure what the correct process is for investigating that. >> it's something investigating that. >> needs it's something investigating that. >> needs to it's something investigating that. >> needs to be s something investigating that. >> needs to be lookedthing investigating that. >> needs to be looked int0| investigating that. >> needs to be looked into in that needs to be looked into in an official capacity. i don't just , um, journalists just mean, um, by journalists and i think also in addition to that, you know, we often see this tend i mean, there is obviously a tendency to go soft on crime. we've also seen and reported in the news today just how many crimes are going on unsolved at a time when serious crime is also rising . there is crime is also rising. there is this tendency to think about the justice system as serving the perpetrator rather than the victims. so there isn't really a it's almost become faux pas to

talk about justice in terms of punishing the people who have done wrong. um, and i think that i think that's a mistake. done wrong. um, and i think that i think that's a mistake . there i think that's a mistake. there is such a thing as natural justice. justice isn't just about the system ticking along as it goes. people have a sense of justice. it's almost part of our consciences. and that's why people at can look at people at home can look at something that is so clearly unjust and have sense that unjust and have a sense that even process has been even if the process has been followed, the lawyers followed, even if the lawyers have argued their case and this is know, technical point is you know, the technical point of we see that the of the law, we see that the consequence is unjust , of the law, we see that the consequence is unjust, and therefore that's something that needs into . needs to be looked into. >> is such a such an >> emma, that is such a such an important we had had important point. we had we had an a little bit earlier an email in a little bit earlier about someone that about someone saying that perhaps actually sentenced perhaps actually being sentenced to remaining in to this sentence, remaining in hospital means that you don't get same sort of parole that get the same sort of parole that you do in prison. and unless he were to be given a whole life order, which he should be, which he which he perhaps should be, but there was an argument that potentially this actually means he's for longer he's locked away for longer because was access to because there was no access to that parole but again ,

that parole system. but again, you come back to the family here who , well, got away who say, well, he's got away with murder . who say, well, he's got away with murder. he's been who say, well, he's got away with murder . he's been charged with murder. he's been charged with murder. he's been charged with manslaughter. he's been convicted of manslaughter, not murder even murder. and even though technically he might be locked away that that that away for longer, that that that very sense, i think word very real sense, i think word murder being absent is , is palpable. >> that's that's the that's the issue here that i think we've got in the. you're absolutely right, tom. that is the issue for those families . i think in for those families. i think in terms of length . and we have all terms of length. and we have all argued about this many, many times over the years . when times over the years. when you're talking about length of prison. and that's an issue that comes into the parole matter , comes into the parole matter, that's not going to be his as far as i understand, just from heanng far as i understand, just from hearing the what the judge said , hearing the what the judge said, it seems to me this is a lifelong issue about being in hospital for those emily hand is. but we don't know that perhaps we need to speak to a legal expert about this at some point. >> is he pled guilty to three counts of attempted murder. mhm. so so there were three counts of

manslaughter and three counts of attempted murder . bonkers. attempted murder. bonkers. because he pled guilty to . because he pled guilty to. >> so therefore the manslaughter are the ones where he stabbed people with a double edged fighting knife. yeah. the ones where he a car and were where he drove a car and were murdered. if anything, seems murdered. if anything, it seems that's the wrong way round. i mean, perhaps they should all be counted as complete counted as murder. complete >> and to add >> astonishing. and also, to add to add point, i think , to add to your point, i think, you know, where is this man going to be housed if he's going into a psychiatric institution, he's not going to with he's not going to be with prisoners. be with prisoners. he's going to be with patients. and he patients. yeah. um, and he should have been given a high security, security. but security, high security. but even know, is even even so, you know, this is a man who be in prison, a man who should be in prison, who have been given who should have been given a whole life order and, you know, like, none of us are lawyers. so i'm not exactly the details i'm not sure exactly the details of this decision has been of how this decision has been argued and won, but it seems so patently wrong and unjust . patently wrong and unjust. >> um, well, it would seem a lot of our viewers would take even a stronger stance than that capital punishment. yeah, lots of talk of that in the inbox , of talk of that in the inbox, but bizarre.

but but it is bizarre. >> has clearly been >> this man has clearly been defended to the hilt. he clearly has very good lawyers. now has got very good lawyers. now i will bet my bottom dollar that we british taxpayers have paid for his excellent lawyers who've got him off murder charges and of course, for a functional and just justice system of course, evil people should have representation on. but my goodness, why , why, why did goodness, why, why, why did these three victims have , uh, these three victims have, uh, why did their families feel railroaded and shut out of the process ? yes. yeah. and the and process? yes. yeah. and the and the accused man seemed to have the accused man seemed to have the most gold plated legal representation one could have asked for. >> there's a lot we don't know. i think would be at this point in what's been going on today. there's a lot we don't know. and it would it will it would be it will unfortunately be very fascinating all fascinating to see what all these matters that out these matters are that come out of what the legal system. and of course , the police response to course, the police response to a lot of this . i mean, that's one lot of this. i mean, that's one of issues for me is, you of the key issues for me is, you know, what's been going on in the police force in nottingham .

the police force in nottingham. and really did they and do they really did they really have a handle on this, this this man has been known to police since 2020. that's is quite a long time in policing when you really i think you should be able to cope with the number that you've got in your city and make sure they are they are understood. so often these killers, killers in general are already known to the authorities. >> there are clear , clearly >> there are clear, clearly bafic >> there are clear, clearly basic failures as well happening. >> well, as i mentioned, um, earlier, just now that this there's also a story in the papers today about the crime rate rising , the numbers of rate rising, the numbers of violent crimes going unsolved , violent crimes going unsolved, the numbers of sexual offences that are going unsolved, the statistics are absolutely mortifying . and actually, you mortifying. and actually, you know, when i think about these families who who have who are facing living with this injustice , i hope that they have injustice, i hope that they have a local community who can rally around them. but i also hope

that the national community can find a way to really throw all of their weight behind them, because because this is a specific incident. but there will be many, many people around the country that have family members or of themselves as being victims of crimes that have gone unsolved because the police are just simply not doing their job police are just simply not doing theirjob because are busy theirjob because they are busy policing people's tweets, rather than policing the streets. >> emma, you about >> and emma, you talk about crime just it crime statistics and i'm just it comes lies, lies , damned comes to mind lies, lies, damned lies and statistics . because lies and statistics. because because this is now not a murder statistic . no, this is a statistic. no, this is a manslaughter. this is three manslaughter. this is three manslaughter statistics . so when manslaughter statistics. so when we look at the number of murders that were committed last year, this will not be included in those statistics. if anything, the can say what a good the police can say what a good job we've done in the murder stats have down in the data stats have gone down in the data is indistinguishable from is it's indistinguishable from somebody knocked a plant pot somebody who knocked a plant pot out and it hits out of their window and it hits someone the head, which is someone on the head, which is not sure. >> i'm not sure where that nottinghamshire >> i'm not sure where that nottinytoamshire >> i'm not sure where that nottinyto be ;hire >> i'm not sure where that nottinyto be saying that. no at happy to be saying that. no at all. but there will be all. but but there will be people question. people who ask this question.

>> one of the reasons why >> was one of the reasons why this case has the sort of the railroad train has gone to, say, manslaughter , manslaughter, manslaughter, manslaughter, manslaughter. could that be that all of the different authorities involved wanted to cover their backs ? yeah. could there have backs? yeah. could there have been internal pressure trying to push things in a certain push these things in a certain direction against the wishes of the families? questions the families? these questions have be asked. have to be asked. >> it's a web of failing, a web of failures, just the police i >> -- >> yeah, yeah, but but i think the is that the the main thing is that the police, you know, brought this forward like they have. and after that it's down to the lawyers. but i think that that's where they were. and, and certainly in the conversations earlier news and earlier on on, on gb news and with peter, you know, separately, i think , you know, separately, i think, you know, that was a very, very felt issue for nottinghamshire police. and i think that's a matter we'll have to see. >> it does look like the families of the victims are very much sticking together on this. and this is very unlikely to be the end of this. the conclusion of all this, whether it's a pubuc of all this, whether it's a public inquiry, whether it's

something this isn't the something else, this isn't the end of it. >> no. it is sadly, >> no. and it is sadly, experiences like this that do bnng experiences like this that do bring people together and if there is any sort of you can't have a silver lining on anything like this, but it is seeing these families some comfort together, some able to together, some being able to comfort each other is , is, uh, i comfort each other is, is, uh, i suppose at least some comfort to them . yeah. them. yeah. >> well, thank you very much to you both, emma and ivan. now, coming up, the sentencing, of course, osvaldo calican comes as the are to crack down the government are to crack down on zombie style on dangerous zombie style knives. be to knives. we'll be getting to that. with us. that. stay with us. >> like things are heating >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> afternoon. i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather update for gb news. a brighter day tomorrow. many of us having a pretty dull thursday, but some sunshine around for many, although there will still be some blustery showers across the northwest. the thickest cloud out west at the moment. some outbreaks again outbreaks of rain again this evening northern england outbreaks of rain again this

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gb news. >> good afternoon britain. it's 2:00 on thursday the 25th of january. >> nottingham attack triple kill osvaldo calican has been sentenced for fatally stabbing barnaby webber. grace o'malley kumar and ian coates last june . kumar and ian coates last june. calican is to be detained in a high security hospital indefinitely . high security hospital indefinitely. emma webber, mother of victim barnaby webber , mother of victim barnaby webber, said outside the court that true justice has not been served. today we'll be bringing you all the latest reaction . the latest reaction. >> it comes as the government announces a zombie knife crackdown on terrifying zombie style knives and machetes will be banned under new legislation . be banned under new legislation. the government says it has been ratcheting up its approach to knife crime for years. but should there be a mandatory jail sentence for those found carrying such weapons and british homes for british workers, should those born in the united kingdom be prioritised when it comes to social housing? >> that's what the government reportedly wants to make happen. some the policy is

some say the policy is unworkable, but is it simply common sense . common sense. >> i've been so moved by what people have been writing in, uh, about this. this entire story of the nottingham attacks of last june. the nottingham attacks of last june . uh, one of the most moving june. uh, one of the most moving contributions came from someone who wrote in who had schizophrenia himself, and the gist of his message was very simple. i have schizophrenia. it doesn't mean i go around murdering people . and i and i murdering people. and i and i think that the way in which this is to some extent be described, or at least it appears as if it might have been described as, oh, he had all of these mental health issues. therefore, he's not to blame . i think that does not to blame. i think that does a massive disservice to all of those people across the united kingdom who have mental health problems who problems themselves, but who don't go around killing people . don't go around killing people. >> but is the problem that

legally it can be used as a defence? and it has been. >> it's an extraordinary situation and so many questions arise out of this judgement. >> i think one of the most shocking things is, and we heard from emma webber, um, there earlier outside the crown court, the mother of one of the victims , she's saying that there was no indication , given that this was indication, given that this was not going to be treated as murder, that they were railroads , and that was used . and so , and that word was used. and so clearly they feel like they weren't kept in the know. and how could they not be when these are the families of victims who were brutally murdered ? were brutally murdered? >> it seems that there must be an examination of the process of how this has all happened . the how this has all happened. the words emma webber used , words that emma webber used, rushed, hastened railroaded. the three families, locked out of this process effectively and have this judgement handed down to them today . if anything, it to them today. if anything, it feels like a judgement on the families because they don't get to say that their children and

their father were murdered . their father were murdered. >> and yes, well , let us know >> and yes, well, let us know what you think about it all. vaiews@gbnews.com. but shall we get your headlines with tatiana . get your headlines with tatiana. >> emily, thank you very much. your top stories from the gb newsroom. and as you've just been hearing, a man who stabbed three to death in three people to death in nottingham city centre last year has been sentenced a hospital has been sentenced to a hospital order, 32 year old osvaldo calican killed two students. barnaby webber and grace o'malley. cooma and school caretaker ian coates. he pleaded not guilty to murder due to mental illness, but admitted manslaughter and will be detained in a high security hospital indefinitely. the judge says probably for the rest of his life. the judge told calican that his actions had sentenced many and friends many relatives and friends of the victims to a life of grief and pain . and pain. >> your sickening crimes both shocked the nation and wrecked

the lives of your surviving victims and the families of them all. none of the evidence relating to your mental state detracts from the horror of your actions . actions. >> well, speaking immediately after that, sentencing emma webber, the mother of barnaby, says justice has not been served i >> -- >> at no point during the previous five and a half months will be given any indication that this could conclude in anything other than murder. we trusted in our system foolishly , trusted in our system foolishly, as it turns out, we do not dispute that the murderer is mentally unwell and has been for a number of years. however the premeditated planning, the collection of lethal weapons, hiding in the shadows and the brutality of the attacks are of an individual who knew exactly what he was doing when he knew entirely that it was wrong, but he did it anyway . he did it anyway. >> so in other news, the government is defending its record on tackling knife crime amid a third crackdown in just eight years. the home secretary says the new restrictions are

aimed at closing what he called aimed at closing what he called a loophole that allowed some types of zombies style knives to be sold and kept . but shadow be sold and kept. but shadow home yvette cooper home secretary yvette cooper says the fresh legislation still doesn't go far enough. >> it's too just little, too late. >> it doesn't include ninja swords . it doesn't include swords. it doesn't include a whole series of dangerous weapons, and the penalties also aren't strong enough. they've been promising this ban on zombie knives for a long time, andifs zombie knives for a long time, and it's still not going to come in until the autumn . in until the autumn. >> shoplifting offences in england and wales are at the highest level in 20 years. the office for national statistics says more than 400,000 offences were recorded in the year to september. that's up by nearly a third. downing street says ministers are looking into how to tackle the rising problem . to tackle the rising problem. criminal gangs who tried to sneak items into prisons using drones will face new penalties from today. new 400 metre no fly zones are now in force around prisons. it means anyone caught trying to fly items such as

phones, drugs or weapons into prisons using drones will pay a 2500 pounds fine. there will also be a ten year maximum prison sentence for criminals who breach the restrictions . a who breach the restrictions. a 17 tonne consignment of family sized tents will be flown into gaza today as part of an agreement between britain and qatar. it's after the foreign secretary's trip to jerusalem yesterday he met with families of hostages who are still being held in gaza by hamas since the 7th of october. lord cameron also met with israel's prime minister, benjamin netanyahu , minister, benjamin netanyahu, telling him there must be an immediate pause in fighting in gaza as he pushed the israeli prime minister over a two state solution . nicola sturgeon used solution. nicola sturgeon used an expletive to describe boris johnson in pandemic era whatsapp messages. the covid inquiry heard that the former scottish first minister sent messages to her chief adviser strongly criticising the then prime minister as he announced another national lockdown in october

2020. in the messages , miss 2020. in the messages, miss sturgeon described his address to the nation as excruciating and said the government's communications were awful . the communications were awful. the ghanaian equivalent of the crown jewels will be sent back to the west african nation as part of a loan from the victoria and albert museum and the british museum . the 32 precious items museum. the 32 precious items were taken during wars in the 19th century. they include a sword of state, gold badges worn by officials of the king, and a gold peace pipe . the museums are gold peace pipe. the museums are prevented by law from returning the items permanently . however, the items permanently. however, v&a director tristram hunt says they responsibility to share objects with their countries of origin wherever possible . those origin wherever possible. those are your top stories on gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to tom and . emily.

and. emily. >> it's 207 and our top story this hour. osvaldo calican, who stabbed three people to death in nottingham city centre and attacked three others, has been sentenced at nottingham crown court to a hospital order after admitting manslaughter by diminished responsibility and attempted murder . attempted murder. >> earlier this week, he admitted the manslaughter of the three victims by reason of diminished responsibility and he also admitted three counts of attempted murder relating to pedestre as he had deliberately targeted with a van he had stolen from mr coates. >> yes , well, nottinghamshire >> yes, well, nottinghamshire police has released harrowing footage which pieces together the events which shook the nation. our east midlands reporter will hollis has the details . details. >> waldo calican branded a monster by his victims families as he set out on june 13th last year with a clear plan to kill on cctv . he is year with a clear plan to kill on cctv. he is seen returning to nottingham from london after

boarding a tram. he began roaming the city's streets wearing all black with him. a bag of weapons including a double edged fighting dagger on his first victims. nine year old university of nottingham students grayson . o'malley kumar students grayson. o'malley kumar and bailey webber, returning from a night out at around 4 am, he stabbed them both a.m, he stabbed them both repeatedly on ilkeston road before calmly walking away. his attack had been uncompromisingly brutal. >> oh no . >> oh no. >> oh no. >> what's the emergency ? >> what's the emergency? >> what's the emergency? >> yes, there's been a stabbing on kingston road. there's somebody lying in the street. i think they're dead. oh that was awful. >> kalakani then tried climbing into a hostel . ceely house, into a hostel. ceely house, through a window , but was pushed through a window, but was pushed back. through a window, but was pushed back . by 5 through a window, but was pushed back. by 5 am. he'd killed again his next victim. school caretaker ian coates. on magdala

road before stealing his van and driving into wayne birkett, who was walking in milton street. and soon after , sharon miller and soon after, sharon miller and marcin gawronski, who were extremely fortunate to survive . extremely fortunate to survive. police arrested kalakani in radford, tasering him taser. taser you want me? >> stay where you are. stay where the 32 year old, who also goes by the name adam mendez, is a dual national from guinea—bissau and portugal, having arrived in the uk in two thousand and seven. >> diagne posed with paranoid schizophrenia . he had been schizophrenia. he had been sectioned multiple times under the mental health act and been in trouble with police for criminal damage and assault, but his pleas of manslaughter were accepted on the grounds of diminished responsibility . a diminished responsibility. a defence of mental illness . the defence of mental illness. the attacks shocked not just this city but the nation. will hollis, gb news in nottingham .

hollis, gb news in nottingham. well we can now cross back to nottingham. >> crown court and speak to our east midlands. reporter will hollis, who's been following this trial, will tell us, tell us what's happened today and the reaction often from the victim's families . and also, if you can, families. and also, if you can, can you describe the feeling in the court when the judge read out his remarks ? out his remarks? >> yes. well, this was a sentencing hearing. valdo kalakani was sentenced today to a hospital order because of his schizophrenia . to the judge, mr schizophrenia. to the judge, mr turner , mr justice turner said turner, mr justice turner said that without schizophrenia, it's very likely that he would have never committed these horrific attacks. now valdo kalakani will never see the inside of a prison cell. he's going to be sent back to liverpool, where he's been treated at ashworth hospital , a treated at ashworth hospital, a secure hospital, because he's now under the provisions of the

mental health act. now valdo kalakani killed his three victims in a horrific manner, using a double edged fighting knife and for a long time the families here thought that this was going to be a murder trial. but earlier this week the crown prosecution service accepted that it was manslaughter under the grounds of diminished responsibility because of the severity of valdo kalakani's illness . and that has really illness. and that has really been the standout thing from what has happened today here at nottingham crown court . as the nottingham crown court. as the family left, they made statements. that's ian coates's family and the 32 year old, 65 year old caretaker. the family and the 32 year old, 65 year old caretaker . the two year old caretaker. the two students family, barnaby weber and grayson kumar, 19 year olds who were at the university of nottingham and it was unbelievable , fully transparent, unbelievable, fully transparent, just how upset they were because they said they've been failed by institutions , not just institutions, not just nottinghamshire police, not just

the cps, but also mental health services here in nottingham , services here in nottingham, valdo kalakani was known to mental health services. he'd been sectioned four times and ed barnaby webber's mother , emma barnaby webber's mother, emma webber, gave a statement this morning on the steps of nottingham crown court . nottingham crown court. >> you have blood on your hands. if you had just done your jobs properly , there's a very good properly, there's a very good chance my beautiful boy would be alive today . there is so much alive today. there is so much more say and clearly serious more to say and clearly serious questions regarding this case and events leading up to this monster out in society . monster being out in society. but for today, our darling son, his dear friend grace, and a wonderfully kind grandfather, ian, have been stolen from us forever and let down by the very system that should have been protecting them . yes well, there protecting them. yes well, there was questions from the media. >> they asked, what happens now? what are you going to do? are you happy with this result? should be an inquiry and

should there be an inquiry and because of that, the family say that they're now going to regroup and they're going to come back. and this won't be the last time that hear from last time that you hear from them. so many questions to ask, will and that inquiry, i suppose, will be keenly anticipated by many, many people, if indeed it does go ahead. >> but we'll just tell us the feeling in the courtroom as the judge was delivering that sentence, was it as expected because obviously the statement from the families afterwards could not have been clearer . could not have been clearer. yes. well, tom, i was actually outside here waiting for the statements from the family . statements from the family. >> and that's quite simply because there were that many people wanted to get in to people that wanted to get in to see sentencing, not just see this sentencing, not just members of the press like me, not journalists, but also not just journalists, but also family members. the friends of the students, as well as the

children and family of ian coe bates. but from out from throughout this sentencing process , there has been process, there has been outbursts from the family, there has been upset and i'm sure inside during that sentence. sentencing where mr justice turner was handing down his sentence, there were probably quite a few upset people and i'm sure the atmosphere was very strong, very much live outside nottingham. >> crown court. >> crown court. >> yes. well of course all of this comes on the same day that the government are to crack down on dangerous zombie style knives and machetes, which are to be banned under new legislation . banned under new legislation. >> ian under the new measures, it will be illegal to possess, manufacture , sell or transport. manufacture, sell or transport. these weapons. the government is urging anyone who currently has a zombie style knife or machete to voluntarily hand them in to a knife surrender bin before the official surrender, and compensate scheme is launched in the summer . the summer. >> don't know about you, but if

you were the sort of person to carry around a zombie knife, would you really hand it in? >> and let's remember, these knives are so called because they're pointed they're so serrated and pointed that the sort of fictional that it the sort of fictional world in which zombies exist . world in which zombies exist. theideais world in which zombies exist. the idea is these knives would be able to kill zombies. yes >> and yvette cooper has already come out to say that they haven't banned enough these haven't banned enough of these types knives. shall we types of knives. so shall we speak olivia utley, is speak to olivia utley, who is our correspondent our political correspondent tonight? of course. olivia, tell me, what's the reaction been the political reaction from the opposition in from the government itself on this banning of these knives ? banning of these knives? >> well, the government's been fighting an uphill battle on this for a long time. it was 2016 when the government first laid out plans to cut down on cut out zombie knives. since then, they've released 16 different press releases on the government website, talking about their crackdown on zombie knives . the measures announced knives. the measures announced today are essentially to close loopholes in the legislation.

previously it was impossible for a police officer to seize a zombie knife in a person's home that's now been revised so police officers can take a weapon at a person's place of residence, labour says that it does not go far enough . yvette does not go far enough. yvette cooper has been saying today how labour should go further. it would both outlaw more knives. the ban on zombie knives is quite specific, as zombie knife is defined as a particular length blade with a particular serrated edge, etc. labour would ban a wider range of knives, and it would also , it says, crack it would also, it says, crack down on the sale of knives over the internet. of course, lots of people who are purchasing these knives with the intent to , uh, knives with the intent to, uh, scare or in some awful cases with the intent to harm or even kill are purchasing the knives onune kill are purchasing the knives online and the website which sell these knives often have very, very lax security checks. you just have to click a button

to say that you're over 18. labour says it's going to crack down on that . this is all really down on that. this is all really been sped up . the government has been sped up. the government has been sped up. the government has been talking about closing this loophole for a long time now, but it's been sped up by idris elba, the actor has started a campaign against knife crime . he campaign against knife crime. he spoke to keir starmer earlier this week. and that's why this has been fast tracked through the government. the problem for both parties is essentially yes, they can go a long way to banning particular types of knife , but obviously it is knife, but obviously it is impossible to ban the ownership of knives. there are legitimate reasons why people own knives, and the issue for the tories is that what we've seen happening since the original ban on zombie knives, uh, seven years ago is that people who want to commit these sorts of crimes use alternate knives instead, and banning all knives is obviously impos able. so it's an uphill battle for both parties, and labour will probably face very similar problems to the conservatives if it comes into

power later this year. yes, i worry it might be a bit of a futile exercise, but thank you very much. >> olivia utley gb news, political correspondent . we're political correspondent. we're getting lots of emails. of course , on nottingham and the course, on nottingham and the judge's ruling there . uh, linda judge's ruling there. uh, linda says i'm in shock and dismayed by our judicial judicial system , by our judicial judicial system, of which i've been a member for over 30 years. i hang my head in shame that a murderer has been given a hospital sentence. my heart goes out to the brave families spoken so well families who have spoken so well at they placed their at all times. they placed their trust in the judicial system. >> uh, kev says, just look >> yes. uh, kev says, just look at the murder of mp jo cox by thomas mair . at the murder of mp jo cox by thomas mair. he had mental health issues, but was declared sane when he murdered her and was rightly given a full life terme. what's the difference? >> good point . uh, ronald says >> good point. uh, ronald says there's no doubt in my mind that this killer should be in prison for life. i think that reflects a lot of, well, what a lot of people are thinking at this time . i mean, listening to the families, it's hard not to agree

that justice has not been served in this case. >> and yet, on the other side of the issue too, people would say the issue, too, people would say that there were separate that there were five separate psychologists who gave this diagnosis . of schizophrenia, of diagnosis. of schizophrenia, of paranoid schizophrenia, and that that is, is a mitigating factor. and i suppose there'll be many lawyers and people in and around that sort of way of thinking who will go . well, there was nothing will go. well, there was nothing else to do. this is the way that the system is structured. if there is a clear diagnosis like this, if there are clear this, if there are five clear diagnoses like this, there's very little else that can do . very little else that we can do. but i think the public will just sort of look at that sort of weaselly lawyer speak sort of law versus justice, isn't it? that's a very good way of manipulating the law . manipulating the law. >> maybe not everyone , of >> maybe not everyone, of course, has a right to defence. mental health is, of course, a massive , um. well, it can be a massive, um. well, it can be a determinant of your behaviour , determinant of your behaviour, violent behaviour. but in this case, it just seems so

outrageous. >> and i think even if this sentence was the most that under the current laws could have been achieved, and i know some people have been arguing that, some people have been arguing against that. but let's take it that that. but let's take it that that perhaps might even be the case. what does that say about the in which the system is the way in which the system is structured? could this be a systemic fault because these families want justice and they feel like justice has been stolen from them ? and to quote stolen from them? and to quote james coates, the son of ian coates , the grandfather, the coates, the grandfather, the caretaker who was a few months out of away from retirement, who was murdered on his way to work, sorry , who was killed on his way sorry, who was killed on his way to work ? because we're not to work? because we're not allowed to say, murdered due to this sentencing . what james said this sentencing. what james said was he got away with murder. yeah yeah, it's a powerful statement . statement. >> yeah. and he he had other strong things to say, too, didn't he? prior to this, uh, sentencing, suggesting that he should , uh, take his take his

should, uh, take his take his life , um, the killer here. but life, um, the killer here. but um, uh, very difficult indeed. please do keep your views coming in. we will get to some more later on in the show. gb views at gb news. com you know it by now, but, uh, coming up, should british homes be for british people when it comes to social housing? that's something the prime minister is looking to introduce. but it's not without its critics. is it? you're watching good afternoon, britain on

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channel, britain's news channel. >> good afternoon britain. it's 2:26 and the government proposes a social housing plan aiming to prioritise , quote, british homes prioritise, quote, british homes for british workers. >> catchy . in a move designed to >> catchy. in a move designed to show the prime minister is serious about getting tough on immigration. ian. this will provide faster access to social housing for british citizens . housing for british citizens. anyone not entitled to benefits being excluded. so there you go. what do you make of that, tom? well, it's an interesting proposal. >> of course , we've heard a lot >> of course, we've heard a lot about how people not born in britain make a huge proportion of those living in social housing. however a lot of those born in britain are british citizens , so this wouldn't citizens, so this wouldn't exclude those . but also quite exclude those. but also quite a lot of migrants to the united kingdom have no access to benefits currently. and if you

don't have access to benefits, you can't have access to social housing. so quite a lot of recent arrivals are excluded from social housing as things stand, it's only those that have been around for a longer period of time or or those who are classed as refugees rather than economic migrants who do have access. >> hmm. so you're saying this is more for politicking than anything? >> well, no, it's still a huge number of people who do have access and perhaps this will be access and perhaps this will be a move. but i suppose the biggest problem with regard to access to housing isn't isn't the social housing stock that there isn't any is the overall housing stock. >> but i guess, uh, lawyers might have a field day with this one. shall we speak to liam halligan gb news economics and business us business editor, who joins us now on money . liam, now with on the money. liam, tell us more about what the government is proposing . government is proposing. >> this is a kind of hardy perennial that comes out in elections in periods british

homes for british workers, because their social housing stock that is , council housing stock that is, council housing provided by local authorities and housing association houses, provide a discounted rent by a not for profit companies because the stock of social housing has been depleted so much over the years, there are now increasingly vulnerable households as low income households as low income households that can't access housing at the private rented sector . even with housing sector. even with housing benefit, they can't buy their own house. they just haven't got the means. so the state has to help to house them or the not for profit sector. and of course, this causes a lot of umbrage, particularly among lower income , uh, workers. let's lower income, uh, workers. let's have a look at some numbers here. just reflecting on the conversation that you two were just having. so if 13% of households in the uk now are in social housing, that's down from 32. a third in 1979. so the

number of houses of people who are housed by the state or housing associations has hugely fallen at the moment, 90. and this is across the country, 90% of lead tenants in social housing are british citizens . housing are british citizens. and if you think that 13% of the uk population are ethnic minorities , that means that minorities, that means that ethnic minorities are actually underrepresented when it comes to social housing. but there are parts of the country where where the number of people not born in britain who are the lead tenants in new social housing. so when the tenancy changes is much, much higher, disproportionately high. and this is where the umbrage often is in brent in north—west london, the borough i grew up in, by the way, back in the day it had the highest number of ethnic minorities and foreign born nationals in the uk. 40% of new social homes are let to people not born in this country, and in southwark in south london, it's 29. so these

are these are places in the capital and they're represented also in parts of the north west, the north—east parts , pockets of the north—east parts, pockets of the north—east parts, pockets of the country. of course, these are areas where there is quite a lot of social deprivation, and there is a high need for social housing, where disproportionately a lot of people are on the council house waiting list, million people waiting list, 1.3 million people across the country are on the council house waiting list, or 1.3 million households, i should say, often with more, more, you know, two, 3 or 4 people, including children in some hotspot like brent, like southwark . there is umbrage that southwark. there is umbrage that for in the eyes of many people, the local , often white the local, often white population have been there for generations that they can't get a council house, even though they would say our family have paid in and contributed to this country for years and years. so it is a hot button issue, and it's not surprising that the conservatives and labour want to be seen operate in this area,

saying things that particularly the labour party wouldn't ordinarily, ordinarily say. you'll remember both of you when gordon brown started talking about british homes for british workers and british jobs for british workers, a lot of the sort of polite centre left of the labour party said, you can't say that. but he knew that it was popular with swing voters who he needed to attract to try and win a general election in. we're going to hear a lot more of this in the run up to polling day, whenever that is fascinating that that phrase , fascinating that that phrase, coined by gordon brown, was coined by gordon brown, was coined in the run up to that 2010 election. >> in election i >> in an election that i remember, , he met uh, remember, he, he met one, uh, gillian duffy. oh, yeah. who, uh , who he, uh, quotes that quote on hot mic saying that her opinions on migration were bigoted quotes. >> that bigoted woman look, as elections because she wanted to talk about the fact that her town varne she felt the culture, the feel , the texture of her

the feel, the texture of her town had changed because there had been so many people, in her view, who had come to live in the town, who weren't from the town, who weren't from the uk. yeah, this is going to be a huge issue in the run up to the election, not just access to social housing, not just british jobs for british workers, of course, but immigration more generally . and we can expect the generally. and we can expect the labour party as it tries to win the centre ground of british voters , the swing voters where voters, the swing voters where elections are won and lost, will be tracking to the right from its normal comfort zone. >> i mean, it's quite something that this has been, uh, called controversial. i think for most people they would assume british citizens would be given priority when it comes to social housing. but hey, maybe not. thank you very halligan news very much. liam halligan gb news business and economics editor. well still to come before three, the head of the army warned the head of the army has warned the head of the army has warned the armed forces need more recruits. >> but if war broke out, would our children rise to the challenge or indeed , you and i?

challenge or indeed, you and i? but first, here's your news headunes but first, here's your news headlines with tatiana . headlines with tatiana. >> tom, thank you very much. 233 your top stories from the gb newsroom. a man who stabbed three death in three people to death in nottingham centre last year nottingham city centre last year has sentenced to a hospital has been sentenced to a hospital order. 32 year old osvaldo kalakani killed two students. barnaby webber and grace o'malley kumar and school caretaker ian coates . he pleaded caretaker ian coates. he pleaded not guilty to murder due to mental illness, but admitted manslaughter and will be detained in a high security hospital indefinitely . in other hospital indefinitely. in other news, the government's defending its record on tackling knife crime amid a third crackdown in just eight years. the home secretary says the new restrictions are aimed at closing what he called a loophole that allowed some types of zombie style knives to be kept and sold . shop lifting kept and sold. shop lifting offences in england and wales are at the highest level in 20 years. the office for national

statistics says more than 400,000 offences were recorded in the year to september. that's up in the year to september. that's ”p by in the year to september. that's up by nearly a third. downing street says ministers are looking into how to tackle the rising . nicola sturgeon rising problem. nicola sturgeon used an expletive to describe bofis used an expletive to describe boris johnson in pandemic era whatsapp messages. the covid inquiry heard that the former scottish first minister sent messages to her chief adviser strongly criticising the then prime minister as he announced another national lockdown in october 2020. in the messages, ms sturgeon described his address to the nation as excruciating and she said the uk government's communication were awful . you can get more on all awful. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website news.com . website news.com. now to the case of constance marten and mark gordon . marten and mark gordon. >> they're on trial after their baby daughter, victoria was

found dead on an allotment in brighton last march. >> yes, martin and gordon are charged with manslaughter by gross negligence . our home and gross negligence. our home and security editor, mark white, is outside the old bailey with the latest for us. tell us, mark. >> well, this is a case that the prosecutor, tom little kc, said was really a case about the utterly and entirely avoidable, avoidable death of a young baby, avoidable death of a young baby, a baby girl that would still be alive today , he said. alive today, he said. >> if it was for not the reckless, utterly selfish , reckless, utterly selfish, callous, cruel, arrogant and ultimately grossly negligent conduct of the two defendants, those defendants , as you those defendants, as you mentioned, 36 year old constance marten the mother of this child and the father of the child, mark gordon, who's 49 now, this whole incident came to light,

really sparked into a national search for this couple on the 5th of january last year when their peugeot 206 car was found on fire on the hard shoulder of the m61 motorway in greater manchester. when the emergency services attended and put out that fire. looked into the vehicle, they found a number of items, lots of mobile phones pay as you go burner phones, passport for one of the defendants and then wrapped in a towel in the back seat at the grim discovery , really, of the grim discovery, really, of the placenta . um, from the birth of placenta. um, from the birth of this child that was wrapped in a towel on the back seat. and at that moment, of course, the police realised that there was a mother who had not. it seems, sought any kind of medical care. a child that would be in need of medical care as well. and of course, we all remember those events over a number of weeks until their eventual arrest on

the 27th of february last year. down in brighton. they went to multiple locations as effectively, according to the prosecution on going off grid . prosecution on going off grid. but in doing that , they were but in doing that, they were responsible, according to the prosecutor , for not giving that prosecutor, for not giving that child the medical attention . child the medical attention. varne and all of the other comforts that a newborn baby requires acquired, they face a number of charges, including manslaughter by gross negligence , child cruelty and perverting the course of justice as well. now the prosecutor here, in setting out the case, said that they don't know as yet and only they don't know as yet and only the defendants know when that young baby girl died. but when she died, rather than going forward and alerting the police to what had happened, the disposed of the body. according to the prosecutor, by putting the remains of that baby into a

shopping bag, covering it in rubbish as if it was refuse, and putting it into an old abandoned shedin putting it into an old abandoned shed in an allotment in brighton was discovered a few days after the arrest of this couple. so they stand trial. this is due to last a few weeks. constance marten not in court today. for the first day of this trial , but the first day of this trial, but mark gordon is in the dock listening to the opening statements from the prosecutor . statements from the prosecutor. >> thank you for bringing us a very harrowing story. we know that you'll be across all of the details as the trial continues . details as the trial continues. >> thank you very much to mark white, our home security editor. now still to come, this one has got you going, hasn't it? >> statues have >> well, australian statues have been overnight . been vandalised overnight. colonial era monuments . what colonial era monuments. what else defaced ahead of the first fleet anniversary australia day tomorrow . we'll be discussing tomorrow. we'll be discussing that with our panel after this

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news. who's . news. who's. >> well, i want to go and dive into the inbox because we've been getting been flooded with emails on the decision by the judge earlier at the nottingham crown court with relation to the triple crown killer, the decision to, uh , give him decision to, uh, give him a hospital order to hand him a hospital order to hand him a hospital order to hand him a hospital order instead of a

custodial sentence. paul says as a taxpayer, how much is it going to cost us to keep this? i won't say what you called him for 30, 40 years. bed, three meals a day , etc, etc. it's going to cost a lot . yeah, probably more than lot. yeah, probably more than a prison. but i don't know. >> almost certainly more than a prison. although prison is pretty expensive . too. john has pretty expensive. too. john has written in to say, unfortunately, we just sit and wait for the family to be wait for the next family to be torn due to someone else's torn apart due to someone else's mental health issues. so many questions answers. john questions and no answers. john not particularly forgiving , not particularly forgiving, being there for , um, other being there for, um, other people with i think i think in county what john has written in there have been people who've written in who themselves suffer mental health issues. yeah who don't go around killing people . don't go around killing people. and i think that's an important point to , to make. point to, to make. >> gary on that point >> yeah. gary on that point really, he says, i think he should be cured if i think if he should be cured if i think if he should be cured of his mental illness, he should then be transferred prison for the transferred to a prison for the rest of life, receive the rest of his life, receive the support he needs it,

support while he needs it, then serve sentence like every serve his sentence like every other murderer . and gordon, from other murderer. and gordon, from dorset, says it's the people who must be educated and encouraged not to carry a knife. this is on the crackdown on knives, knives do not kill people. people kill each other with a knife. banning is answer . is not the answer. >> well, much to get stuck >> well, so much to get stuck into. of course, we really into. and of course, we really do your do appreciate all of your contributions. vaiews@gbnews.com. but moving on. we had a fantastic debate earlier on today. it's after the head of the british army warned that the uk could need to introduce conscription in the event of a war due to dwindling troop numbers. but our generation z, just too soft to fight generation z, generation z, we're british z it's z i'm yes, i must apologise. >> yesterday i think it was. i said patriotism instead of patriotism and lots of people wrote in to tell me that i shouldn't. uh americanise. things we'll be talking about. so i apologise for that. things we'll be talking about. so talking ise for that. things we'll be talking about. so talking about that. things we'll be talking about. so talking about colonialism things we'll be talking about. so tebitng about colonialism things we'll be talking about. so tebit laterout colonialism things we'll be talking about. so tebit later int colonialism things we'll be talking about. so tebit later in this onialism things we'll be talking about.

so tebit later in this panelm little bit later in this panel discussion. but my goodness me, linguistic imperialism, linguistic imperialism, linguistic colonial ism. we must push back against it. the trend of words crossing the atlantic the wrong direction. um i whenever i visit america, i'm just drawing little u's in words that they have . all right. that they have. all right. >> ruthlessly shipped back to war. and the idea of conscription , whether gen z very conscription, whether gen z very good would be up for the challenge. we're joined by political commentator emma webb and minister ivor and former labour minister ivor caplin. emma, you're a millennial . caplin. emma, you're a millennial. i believe . uh, would millennial. i believe. uh, would you go to war? >> i think that the problem is probably also applicable to millennials. i mean, obviously i would fight for this country. i think i'm not sure. i think that women should be conscripted, but, um, i think rishi sunak is wrong to rule out the possibility of conscription, because how on earth does he know? mm. um the reality is that the armed forces and amazingly, under this government, the armed forces have become extraordinarily depleted . and

extraordinarily depleted. and there are all sorts of complex reasons why that might be. and one of them is that we're an incredibly fragmented country . incredibly fragmented country. um, and i think that many people would wonder you know, what? you know, they don't feel that sense of patriotism because it's become a dirty word. and that's the thing. patriotism or patriotism. i say patriotism. and i never thought of that as an americanism. whereas gen z makes me want to scream, why we say patriotism? >> think . >> i think. >> i think. >> go on then. >> go on then. >> how brits do you hear >> how many brits do you hear talking about patriotism ? talking about patriotism? whenever i hear the word, it's americans, it's american politicians, it's american social . so rarely social commentators. so rarely it's actually a very good point to people say , is this a sign of to people say, is this a sign of our declining patriotism that we've taken on the american patriotism ? patriotism? >> self—hating are. yeah, >> how self—hating we are. yeah, but do do think , um, that but i, i do i do think, um, that that it's definitely something that it's definitely something that patriotic , um, patriotism that patriotic, um, patriotism has been demonised, um, in our society at large, we have a huge problem with recruitment in the armed forces, and not enough is

being done about that. >> we need to be investing more in our armed forces. and think in our armed forces. and i think it's not, um , it's insane that we're not, um, but of course, you can never rule out the possibility of conscription because the day might come where it is a possibility . now, i understand possibility. now, i understand why people , um, as i think why people, um, as i think connor tomlinson has very articulately put this on this channel. um, don't want to send our boys to go and fight in ukraine against the russians. but the reality is that , you but the reality is that, you know, it's obviously it's a possibility . know, it's obviously it's a possibility. um, and so i think we do need to be willing to fight for our country, but we also we need to we need to foster the kind of culture and cohesion that makes people feel proud and want to defend their home is one of the problems. >> either former labour minister, defence minister, defence minister. >> i was waiting for that to come. >> the problems that our intervention has in other countries haven't always been , countries haven't always been, uh, they've a mixed uh, well, they've been a mixed bag. say, in their bag. let's say, in their successes. there is a successes. and there is a feeling that perhaps the british military on its expeditions

don't always make the, well choices , or the government choices, or the government doesn't always make the right choices. >> that that's that's a very interesting point , >> that that's that's a very interesting point, i think. but >> that that's that's a very intemeting point, i think. but >> that that's that's a very inteme ,ng point, i think. but >> that that's that's a very inteme , no, yoint , i think. but >> that that's that's a very inteme , no, conscription;. but >> that that's that's a very inteme , no, conscription doesn't for me, no, conscription doesn't work . never has worked in many, work. never has worked in many, many countries. needed it, though, even if we needed it, it doesn't work. what we need to do is to have the best numbers that we can in the military. that includes the army, which is, i think, something nearly 30,000, uh, people down over a ten year period. that's far too little. um, as emma has said as well, that we need those people to be here and to get trained properly and then be part of the army or the navy or or the raf. >> how do we do that ? >> how do we do that? >> how do we do that? >> well, i think that's about a fresh start for the military. and i saw that patrick saunders, who's the chief of the staff, actually started to raise this a few weeks ago . and of course, few weeks ago. and of course, there was immediately a view from the government of the day that no way could there be conscription. conscription,

which seems to have changed this morning because of the telegraph, has a slightly different view. i don't think that the telegraph is right here, think in terms of here, and i think in terms of how you manage a complete army and navy and, and air force is absolutely critical to the longer tum. and just to say what uh, just on, on, on that point that emily has made there about, you know, it's not always been successful . that is true in any successful. that is true in any military operation, but but in most terms, it has been, uh, better for the country that we've been in. and yet there are times when it just goes wrong. that's not a bad thing. it's just something that is connected with when you're out and about in, in anywhere in the world, it can happen. what about the idea though? >> and this is something that people feel rather uncomfortable about discussing. either but i'm going to put you on the spot. well emma was saying about how perhaps there isn't the same sense of being a nation as there was before because of multiple

culturalism, and people may have of, uh, come from all sorts of different backgrounds that it may be actually quite difficult to mobilise the same sense of national, uh, duty , national national, uh, duty, national pride, patriotism . pride, patriotism. >> norman tebbit always referred to the cricket test. who would you support on a national game of cricket? would you support the england team or the team of a country and of a different country and of course, he was sort of slated for and is a bit silly for that and it is a bit silly and it sort reducing big and it sort of reducing big issues to something fairly trivial. is there trivial. but but, but is there something sure there is. even >> i'm not sure there is. even when what or when he said that l, when what or when he said that i, i genuinely believe that if people believe there is a proper career for them in the armed forces, that they would be more than happy to join the armed forces . i can recall as as a forces. i can recall as as a minister going to see a group of young, young people who are probably 17, who just joined the armed forces in somewhere in chester and, and there they were passionate , those youngsters

passionate, those youngsters about being someone people currently . currently. >> but let's have a look at, you know, the houthi rebels and our military action there. there were people out on our streets saying it, you know, almost supporting the houthi rebels . supporting the houthi rebels. >> well, this is happening more and more . we have it over and more. we have it over palestine. of course . and what palestine. of course. and what is going on in israel and palestine done by people demonstrating ? it appears like demonstrating? it appears like every saturday in in london. it's a ridiculous thing because they don't even start from the start of what happened on october 7, which is obviously a terrible incident that that occurred in israel for the houthi. i mean, they are being, well and truly attacked by the us and the uk and as i understand it, every single operation has been successful so far by both . when we've been far by both. when we've been there, the twice that britain have been there, and i think the five times that the us have gone there with, of course, aeroplanes , which do do a great job. >> can i add also to what ivo was saying? very briefly, that i think when we're talking about

patriotism, because i don't want to see conscription either. i think last resort think it should be a last resort in the case of defending your homeland. um, i think homeland. um, but i do think that when you look at the way for example, we've seen this in the papers , um, over recent the papers, um, over recent years the military treats years that the military treats particularly white men when it comes to diversity hiring. they want a more diverse military, but they're sending the message to a lot potential recruits to a lot of potential recruits that welcome that they're not really welcome in military . and that they're not really welcome in military. and our in the military. um, and so our focus should be on trying to get a, a large, robust , well—funded, a, a large, robust, well—funded, well—equipped fighting force of professional soldiers before we even think about conscription. the fact that we're even talking about conscription is a sign of failure , because we failed our failure, because we failed our armed forces and when we fail our armed forces, we're failing ourselves. >> i mean, paul'sjust written >> i mean, paul's just written in says, son was in and he says, my son was turned down the raf for turned down by the raf for a slight asthma. he was devasted. and on to say that, uh, and he goes on to say that, uh, conscription and, uh, well, he doesn't approve of that. let's just say my dad once tried to fly helicopters for the royal

navy, but he was colourblind , navy, but he was colourblind, and so he landing lights, especially green and red at night. >> if you're going to try and land on a boat or land in the sea, it doesn't doesn't quite work. it could be difficult that one. but either do we one. but but either what do we do then ? uh, we need a greater do then? uh, we need a greater sense of sort of commonality in the country . but frankly, is it the country. but frankly, is it also about money? >> of course it is about money. and, you know, there is a you know, there are issues around how much do we put to in the armed services? i think i think the more that we can on, then we should. i think the numbers that have gone down, uh, you know, in the last ten, 12 years is too high it's creating that high and it's creating that situation that we have now. and we've heard about people actually we've heard about people act|the' we've heard about people act|the conditions and also >> the conditions and also conditions for veterans to. yeah, the pay is very measly. no right to strike. >> and when you look at you look at the way that refugees who come here, i say refugees, sure . come here, i say refugees, sure. most economic most of them are economic migrants come here illegally migrants who come here illegally given housing, given given better housing, given housing, more easily than people

who've served in our armed forces or obe, or are currently in the armed forces and are in subpar accommodation. >> well, there is that too . >> well, there is that too. well, thank you very much, political commentator emma webb and labour minister and the former labour minister ivor caplin . ivor caplin. >> yes, of course we're back tomorrow at 12:00. but up next today it's martin daubney bringing you all the latest live from westminster. don't go anywhere . anywhere. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb solar sponsors of weather on. gb news afternoon. >> i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather update for gb news. a brighter day tomorrow. many of us having a pretty dull thursday but some sunshine around for many, although there will still be some blustery showers across the northwest . showers across the northwest. the thickest cloud west at the thickest cloud out west at the . some outbreaks of the moment. some outbreaks of rain evening over rain again this evening over northern and wales , and northern england and wales, and then of rain which could

then a line of rain which could be quite heavy for an hour so be quite heavy for an hour or so , across scotland and , swings across scotland and northern ireland. the winds will pick up as this weather front moves across england and wales as spell as well, so a gusty spell through as it all through the night as it all clears. turn cold. could clears. it'll turn cold. could be some ice across of be some ice across parts of scotland some wintry scotland and some wintry showers, a snow likely showers, but a snow likely across the far north, mostly over . a brighter day over the hills. a brighter day then to come. tomorrow could start a bit grey and damp early on across the far south—east, start a bit grey and damp early on (that; the far south—east, start a bit grey and damp early on ('that rain far south—east, start a bit grey and damp early on ('that rain far sscoots�*ast, start a bit grey and damp early on ('that rain far sscoots away but that rain soon scoots away and sunny spells. just and then it's sunny spells. just some more showers coming into western parts scotland . even western parts of scotland. even here, think they'll here, though, i think they'll become highlands become confined to the highlands and isles by end and the western isles by the end of day. blustery here of the day. quite blustery here again. elsewhere, bright and breezy . wind quite light, breezy. the wind is quite light, actually, the south we actually, across the south we could figures, could reach double figures, temperatures to temperatures generally close to average for the time of year, but cooler than today but feeling cooler than today because today is really quite mild saturday similar mild and saturday is a similar story. perhaps more cloud story. perhaps a bit more cloud around and a colder start in the south. there'll be outbreaks of rain across northern parts of scotland, many saturday scotland, but for many saturday will again be dry and bright. and although breezy in places,

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