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necessary, i do. do you ? get necessary, i do. do you? get involved gbviews@gbnews.com. first, though, the news with polly middlehurst . beth thank polly middlehurst. beth thank you and good evening to you. >> the top story from the gp newsroom tonight. the son of the murdered caretaker , ian coates, murdered caretaker, ian coates, says nhs mental health services and the police must be held accountable after his father's killer was given a hospital order rather than a prison sentence . 32 year old waldo sentence. 32 year old waldo callachan was suffering from paranoid schizo phrenia when he killed ian coates and two nottingham university students , nottingham university students, barnaby webber and grace o'malley kumar, in june last year. o'malley kumar, in june last year . he o'malley kumar, in june last year. he pleaded not guilty to murder due to his mental condition, but did admit manslaughter. speak outside the court. the victim's family said the triple killer had made a mockery of the system and got

away with murder. barnaby weather's mother , emma, said she weather's mother, emma, said she had trusted the system but it had trusted the system but it had failed her. >> at no point during the previous five and a half months will be given any indication that this could conclude in anything other than murder . we anything other than murder. we trusted in our system foolishly, as it turns out, we do not dispute that the murderer is mentally unwell and has been for a number of years. however the premeditated planning, the collection of lethal weapons, hiding in the shadows and the brutality of the attacks are of an individual who knew exactly what he was doing when he knew entirely that it was wrong, but he did it anyway. >> emma webber, speaking there will earlier on the prime minister said they wouldn't be a pubuc minister said they wouldn't be a public inquiry. >> this is obviously a very dangerous individual and it's right that, as the judge said , right that, as the judge said, he will spend very probably the rest of his life in jail and i also think it is important that all the relevant agencies look back to ensure that all reasonable steps that could have

been taken were taken , and if been taken were taken, and if there are any lessons to be learned, that we do so . learned, that we do so. >> meanwhile, the government's been defending its record on tackling crime in a third tackling knife crime in a third crackdown in eight years. the home secretary saying today new restrictions are aimed at closing what he calls a loophole, which allows some types of so—called zombie knives to be kept and sold. james cleverly says the government is taking the right action. >> i became home secretary. i made the immediate decision to go further to put forward this secondary legislation to support what we've already done to make the possession of zombie knives illegal and to close the loophole . so i'm very pleased loophole. so i'm very pleased with taking action. now. we have seen a reduction in crime. we have a plan to drive it down further. that plan is working. we're determined to take these knives off the streets . knives off the streets. >> that's the home secretary, james cleverly. but in response , james cleverly. but in response, the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper , said the new yvette cooper, said the new legislation just doesn't go far enough. it'sjust

legislation just doesn't go far enough. it's just too little, too late . too late. >> it doesn't include ninja swords. it doesn't include a whole series of dangerous weapons and the penalties also aren't strong enough. they've been promising this ban on zombie knives for a long time, andifs zombie knives for a long time, and it's still not going to come in until the autumn. >> yvette cooper . now, in other >> yvette cooper. now, in other news today, lloyds banking group is set to cut 1600 jobs across its branches as it moves towards more online banking in another sign of banks disappearing from the high street, the bank says it's going to overhaul its services as more customers switch to digital . the bank says switch to digital. the bank says the change will create around 830 new roles as part of its strategy . but there is concern strategy. but there is concern that the banks could lose touch with their customers shoplifting offences in england and wales are thought to be at the highest level for 20 years. the office for national statistics says more than 400,000 offences were recorded in the year to september, and that's up by

nearly a third. downing street says ministers are looking into how to tackle the rising problem . um, and just lastly, anyone under the age of 18 will no longer be able to receive online messages from people they don't know as part of an update by social media company meta, the owner of facebook and instagram is changing its default settings, meaning that under eighteens will only be able to receive messages from people they follow. parents will also be alerted if their child attempts to change privacy settings . it comes attempts to change privacy settings. it comes as the government faces calls to introduce an outright ban on smartphones for children under 16, because of concerns for child safety, and what they can view unrestricted online. and that's the news on gb news across the uk , on tv, in your across the uk, on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker. this is britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> good evening. welcome to

dewbs& co with me bev turner tonight. joining me until 7:00, my panel, conservative life peer daniel moylan and co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani. you, of course , are the third you, of course, are the third member of our panel. you, of course, are the third member of our panel . you can get member of our panel. you can get in touch with all of your views this evening. vaiews@gbnews.com is the email or on twitter at gb news. so . as we've been hearing, news. so. as we've been hearing, osvaldo kaja kallas khan has been sentenced to a hospital order for fatally stabbing barnaby webber, grace o'malley kumar and ian coates, the families of the victims have hit out nottingham, out at nottingham, nottinghamshire police, as well as multiple agencies as citing multiple agencies failings to kalakani , who failings to stop kalakani, who has paranoid paranoid schizophrenia . this is after the schizophrenia. this is after the triple killers pleas to manslaughter by diminished responsibility were accepted. of course we live now in an age of much more care in the community, but does this mean that we shouldn't have more residents in all institutions in which we can put people with mental health

issues ? um, right. daniel, let issues? um, right. daniel, let me start with you. first of all, i think we probably would all want to join in expressing our absolute sympathies for those families who've all spoken today . and it's so this story is so sad. i was on live on the morning show on britain's newsroom that i do when this story broke . and at first we story broke. and at first we weren't we weren't sure what was happening. and then as the story evolved, became obvious that evolved, it became obvious that this person who had this was one person who had taken lives of young people, taken the lives of young people, particularly with the students that lost their life, and also the caretaker , ian coates the caretaker, ian coates as well. you look at the rap well. when you look at the rap sheet for this guy in terms of his history , and he had nine his history, and he had nine intervening loans from police or from mental health services and all of them were missed. is this the classic case of a man who should have been in some sort of residential unit? do you think? probably yes. >> but first let me say agree with you. i mean, it's absolutely tragic , unimaginable absolutely tragic, unimaginable horror for the families to have

lived through this. and it does seem that on the face of it, that there are questions to answer by agencies who have responsibility for protecting us from people like this. and it. but i think a wholesale reversal of going back to what we had in the 70s and 80s of institutions that were that were really astonishingly cruel and unpleasant places for many of the people in them could live in the people in them could live in the community. and we know that we've seen that it does actually work. there are horrifying exceptions like this, but on the whole it works , and it works whole it works, and it works better for the people involved . better for the people involved. and we have generally protected society from people who are dangerous . society from people who are dangerous. i'd be very reluctant to say we need a wholesale reversal of that policy . and reversal of that policy. and going back to what we had before i >> -- >> but if we look at, in fact, let me just let me ask you, erin, as well, then let me put that to you. does he to you strike you as somebody that should been locked up

should have been locked up effectively for everyone else's safety? his own, safety? and also his own, because severe because people with severe mental health issues, such paranoia are not just a danger to other people. they're a danger to themselves. >> yeah, he had paranoid schizophrenia. if you've schizophrenia. and if you've ever with that, ever met somebody with that, it's he it's jaw dropping. um, he apparently came from a very good family. his mum was a nurse. they're very working . this they're very hard working. this happens. this exist happens. people like this exist in society. and as a society, we need to work out the best way to deal with it. firstly, i just want to say as well, i can't imagine the horror of obviously ever losing a child, but doing a brilliant job raising a young person, a young woman in this case, with the daughter. i'm thinking because the parents have present have been so, so, um, present in the and then to lose them the media and then to lose them just they're about to enter just as they're about to enter adulthood. you've done a great job, they're taken job, and then they're taken away. i can't imagine what that's but where that's like. but where i disagree with daniel on this is i think he obviously should have been institutionalised for good. i think he obviously should have bthink1stitutionalised for good. i think he obviously should have bthink he tutionalised for good. i think he obviously should have bthink he shouldised for good. i think he obviously should have bthink he should never)r good. i think he obviously should have bthink he should never see »od. i think he obviously should have bthink he should never see the i think he should never see the light of ever um, light of day ever again. um, which likely happen , which is likely to happen, although said probably although the judge said probably and think actually, in a way

and i think actually, in a way we should go back, i don't think that we should go back to the 50s, 60s and 70s because, like you say, somebody with acute depression anxiety better you say, somebody with acute deprewith anxiety better you say, somebody with acute deprewith throughety better you say, somebody with acute deprewith through medication dealt with through medication and but and talking therapy, etc, but there like this where there are cases like this where we don't have the we frankly don't have the resources anymore. for people like be with like that to be dealt with properly, and many of them by the are in prisons. so we the way, are in prisons. so we do them up, just not in the do lock them up, just not in the right place. >> much of police >> daniel, so much of police time now is spent dealing with episodes of psychotic behaviour. people with mental health effectively police are effectively the police are glorified workers. a lot glorified social workers. a lot of those people of the time, taking those people and putting them even temporarily in a residential unit look after them, unit that would look after them, keep safe, keep their keep them safe, keep their families safe. surely got families safe. surely that's got to right thing. to be the right thing. >> think it entirely depends >> i think it entirely depends on um , i mean, the way on whether, um, i mean, the way hospitals see this now, whether you agree with this or not, as i have some slight experience of this, but as a distance, sort of a sort of vague family connection . um, the way connection. um, the way hospitals see this now is that hospitals see this now is that hospitals see this now is that hospitals see themselves as places for curing people. that's that's a hospital that's how a hospital sees itself. they can cure

itself. and so if they can cure you there, they're willing to use sectioning. they have sectioning powers . they can sectioning powers. they can sectioning powers. they can section you and oblige you to stay, the extent stay, but only to the extent that it actually allows that that it actually allows them to , to try and cure you, them to, to try and cure you, not for punitive purposes and not for punitive purposes and not for punitive purposes and not for protective purposes . and not for protective purposes. and that's the hospitals see it that's how the hospitals see it as far as the police are involved in, are concerned in, in, in, i mean, from what i have seen, thank god they are because actually in many cases, people who have who are having psychotic episodes, um, will respond to police instructions and will peacefully without coercion , go with the police coercion, go with the police into an ambulance and be taken away, but won't respond to nurses and the nurses , of nurses and the nurses, of course, don't want to. don't carry that. that sense of coercion with them. and frankly , coercion with them. and frankly, it would be almost impossible in some cases to deal with people who are having psychotic episodes who , if you did not episodes who, if you did not have a police presence , to deal have a police presence, to deal with them in a way that is not

coercive, but they will respond because they listen to the police often. police very often. >> that means effectively, >> but that means effectively, what we need is a we could almost justify funding a whole separate police force that is only there to put mental health patients in the back of ambulances, and you don't train to be a police officer to do that. you want to fix crime? yeah >> aaron. yeah. i mean, a very significant portion of people in prison are people with these kinds of conditions. yeah and it's avoidable. it's not good for them. and it's not, by the way, should be full of way, prisons should be full of people be people who shouldn't be suffering those of suffering from those kinds of conditions. it's a very suboptimal way to be running conditions. it's a very suboptiand way to be running conditions. it's a very suboptiand soy to be running conditions. it's a very suboptiand so i,to be running conditions. it's a very suboptiand so i,to entirely|ing things. and so i, i entirely agree with that. and what i would say is, look, it's not about stigmatising anything. this effective way to this isn't an effective way to operate this guy's rap sheet. and like you say, for people out there this or there watching this or listening, i implore you read listening, i implore you to read about the about this in a newspaper or the bbc gb news website or bbc or gb news website or whatever, and where it details whatever, and where it details what he did repeatedly assaulting lived with, assaulting people he lived with, criminal damage, assaulting a police six, seven police officer five, six, seven times. was warrant for times. there was a warrant for his arrest this happened.

his arrest when this happened. by his arrest when this happened. by way . yeah. so i don't by the way. yeah. so i don't understand how somebody like that detained and that isn't being detained and when sectioned, would when he was sectioned, he would then released. would stop then be released. he would stop taking antipsychotic medication. >> you little >> i will give you a little synopsis of this. so may 2020, with the first symptoms of, well, of well, first symptoms of schizophrenia but he schizophrenia in 2019. but he first came into contact with mental health service in may 2020. he went to a&e believing that having a heart that he was having a heart attack . he then arrested attack. um, he was then arrested for criminal damage on that occasion, assessed as psychotic, taken custody but released taken into custody but released without charge . on returning without charge. on returning home, he almost immediately knocked down another apartment doon he knocked down another apartment door. he was arrested this time sectioned, course. this is sectioned, of course. this is may were lockdowns may 2020. we were in lockdowns july uh, hospitalised july 2020, uh, hospitalised again after not taking his medication in may 2021. his own family reported that his mental health had deteriorate and he was hearing voices. nothing was done. september 2021 evaded contact with the community health team. a warrant was issued for his arrest and eight months worth of unpaid taken medication was found. his

behaviour was hostile january 2022 involved in an altercation with a flatmate at and it was later found that he had first started buying weapons in 2022. voices were telling him to harm other people. may 2022 he travelled to london, went to m15 because he thought he believed that mi5 because he thought he believed that m15 were controlling him . that m15 were controlling him. july 2022. and so it goes. on september 2022 again and june 2023, which , of course, when he 2023, which, of course, when he carried out this act, he was unmedicated out of touch with psychiatric services for almost 12 months. nobody had seen him and he claims he committed the crimes because voices in his head told him he hadn't sought help believed the help because he believed the doctors were treating him doctors who were treating him were it must were controlling him. it must make the parents daniel. of those lost teens , young adults, those lost teens, young adults, just be filled with anger for the rest of their days to know that he slipped through so many opportunities to be restored , opportunities to be restored, gained, and retained against his will if necessary .

will if necessary. >> uh, of course, i completely understand that. i hope that over time the parents can find some way of coping with their anger because that that will eat them up . yeah. um, if they allow them up. yeah. um, if they allow that to happen, god bless them. um, the. i think there is a danger of taking one case where somebody has manifestly slipped through the net. um, and ed has done this terrible thing. and assuming that that is happening everywhere, there are mental there are cases, mental health, people , i know where they are people, i know where they are monitored by the local mental health services , where they do health services, where they do turn up to get their medicines, where there is monitoring that they're receiving their medicines, who are , if you like, medicines, who are, if you like, compliant with the regime and for whom it works until they have another psychotic episode, which can happen because sometimes the medicines that work for you for months, um, there's a shift i don't nobody really understands it . maybe really understands it. maybe there's a shift in your brain

patterns and those medicines need adjusting and in the meantime, you've gone off the rails. um, so it does work for a lot of people . it hasn't worked lot of people. it hasn't worked in this case. there needs to be a proper inquiry about what happened. and to be happened. and what needs to be learned. something else. learned. i'd say something else. these people with who suffer severe psychotic episodes and desperately need help are what the focus of our mental health services should be. and one thing that worries me is an awful lot of people who are feeling mildly anxious think they've mental they've got a mental health problem, they present problem, and they present themselves patient the problem, and they present them quite patient the problem, and they present them quite frankly, tient the problem, and they present them quite frankly, wet the problem, and they present them quite frankly, we need 1e problem, and they present them quite frankly, we need to nhs. quite frankly, we need to be more robust about people who do have serious problems . do not have serious problems. labour have need to focus hard on the people who have these very serious problems and are danger conceivably, potentially very dangerous. >> you sound like you're canvassing for the labour party there because said there because they have said they've this week, haven't they've said this week, haven't they, going they, that they're going to put a practitioner in a mental health practitioner in every , every high school every school, every high school in to those kids who, in order to help those kids who, like you say sometimes they might just be need being told you're just a little bit

worried. that's normal, buck up. or might there are or it might be that there are more serious issues which need deaung more serious issues which need dealing with. i guess that this this we can avert the need for more residential settings for mental health units. if we can get those people young, maybe. >> well, i think look, clearly there was a judgement made, which if person takes which was if this person takes this he can be in this medication, he can be in the community. it's manageable. the stopped taking the point was, he stopped taking it there should be it and surely there should be some. and don't know, i'm not some. and i don't know, i'm not in this industry. surely there's some whereby some mechanism whereby an assessment is made. he hasn't taken he hasn't taken his medication, he hasn't checked and we can't checked in with us and we can't enforce him taking the medication. >> but it didn't work in this case. >> one ? one month, case. >> one month, two months, >> for one month, two months, three months. well that's my that's there has to that's my point. so there has to be a punitive element with regard to that if stop regard to that where if you stop taking are taking it, then you are sectioned. um, was sectioned. and um, he was sectioned. and um, he was sectioned for times this guy and then let out. but also then just let out. but also there is a there are very scarce resources this stuff. what's resources on this stuff. what's fascinating as well, beverley, if the united states if you look in the united states and not saying we and again, i'm not saying we should go back to the 50s, 60s with regards mental health with regards to mental health services, but you basically see

this in regards this precipitous fall in regards to we would to capacity for what we would have asylums . my mother's have called asylums. my mother's generation. yeah. then, you generation. yeah. and then, you know, an correlation know, an inverse correlation with prison with regards to rising prison populations reality is populations. and the reality is you're it doesn't happen you're saying it doesn't happen very does. yeah many, very often. it does. yeah many, many crimes are like this. we don't view it through the prism of health, is. of mental health, but it is. >> i up in a part of >> i grew up in a part of manchester called prestwich, which famous having which was famous for having prestwich hospital grew prestwich hospital when i grew up. was what would have up. so it was what would have been times. been called a victorian times. it asylum. it would. we it was the asylum. it would. we now a psychiatric now know it was a psychiatric hospital, but when that closed down, which would have been, i imagine, under major, imagine, underjohn major, i guess, have been? guess, would it have been? >> it happened the 80s, >> and it happened in the 80s, 90s. we'll just say, 90s. but we'll just say, although might have happened although it might have happened under conservative prime ministers, it was it was a policy that had cross—party support thought for sure. there was arguing against was nobody arguing against it. everyone agreed that the old system was cruel. it did nothing for people and there were many people were up who people who were locked up who who should not be locked up and didn't not dangerous, didn't were not dangerous, didn't were not dangerous, didn't any from didn't get any benefit from it, were so it were suffering from it. so it was absolutely a cross—party do we know , do we know whether from

we know, do we know whether from today closing places like prestwich is the prestwich hospital has is the evidence that that we have more mental health than ever? >> we have more crime than ever, and we have more people in prison i suppose we prison than ever. i suppose we have to reflect it that 40, 50 years later was that the right decision? would some of those people particularly now, when life hard, even for the life can be hard, even for the most stable person most emotionally stable person to themselves, to cook to live for themselves, to cook for themselves, to care for themselves, to get around. not absolutely . absolutely everybody. >> absolutely everybody. >> not absolutely everybody. stimulation, obviously , if you stimulation, obviously, if you if what you're doing, you've got a got a particular population. it's population of the it's the population of the psychiatric the psychiatric hospitals, the asylums and asylums as they were. yeah. and you're going divide them into you're going to divide them into two. to say these two. you're going to say these people in the community people can live in the community and people can't. there'll and these people can't. there'll be people the border be people on the border on the borderline the borderline where you get the wrong certainly wrong decision. that's certainly will happened, inevitably, will have happened, inevitably, but quite a lot. most of the people allowed and people who were allowed out and encouraged to live in the community probably safe in community were probably safe in the were safe for the community and were safe for the community and were safe for the rest the population as the rest of the population as well. and it probably was the right thing to them. but right thing to do for them. but you will some who

you will have had some who should have been were, you know, you will have had some who shou|werele been were, you know, you will have had some who shou|were assessed ere, you know, you will have had some who shou|were assessed the you know, you will have had some who shou|were assessed the wrongiow, were were assessed the wrong side on both sides side of the line on both sides and the logic. and was the logic. >> daniel, can you remind me the logic of closing down those institutions? mainly financial? >> mainly because it >> no, it was mainly because it was them good. it was was doing them no good. it was doing them harm. a lot of them a lot people who were locked lot of people who were locked up, you know, for life. there were no way you could get out there. rights were i mean, there. human rights were i mean, it human time before. >> before? >> before? >> no, it wasn't a time. it was a time when people thought about human so it was of human rights. so it was kind of quite a decent. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> first m you know >> so first of all, you know, they have they they have rights uniloc somebody up basically for the of life. you have uniloc somebody up basically for th

and had some dignity. >> dignity is a key >> all right. dignity is a key word. let us know what you word. um let us know what you think home, won't you? think at home, won't you? vaiews@gbnews.com, we'll be vaiews@gbnews.com, and we'll be looking take looking at them while we take this because coming this quick break because coming up, are fatter up, british children are fatter since a since lockdowns. what a surprise. spend you surprise. and they spend you will believe long they will not believe how long they spend on tiktok. going spend a day on tiktok. i'm going to hanging for that to leave you hanging for that one, so don't go anywhere. have we on this we given up on this

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media, aaron bastani, write to fairly alarming stories, but not terribly surprising out today regarding our children, what's being dubbed as britain's obese lockdown generation is set to cost the economy £8.7 billion, and meanwhile, british kids are spending longer than any other country on tiktok at 127 minutes a day. that's right, country on tiktok at 127 minutes a day. that's right , just over a day. that's right, just over two hours a day. have we given up on the next generation? this is the under eighteens, by the way. um, right. aaron, let me come to you. these two stories, these two statistics, these figures about the fact that we've got now, these these children, they're just they're unhealthy. they are unhealthy. they are they are bigger. they're eating much. bigger. they're eating too much. they're tiktok they're not moving. and tiktok is a coincidence. where does is not a coincidence. where does the responsibility lie with this? just parents? this? is it just the parents? takes a village to raise a child, right? the teacher should be involved. what think ? be involved. what do you think? >> on the tiktok point, i actually think bigger than actually think it's bigger than the bigger than the parents. it's bigger than the parents. it's bigger than the you have to the teachers. you have to understand always talk understand people always talk about this. you can do about this. you know, you can do x, about this. you know, you can do x, z, and you can beat social

x, y, z, and you can beat social media addiction. on the one side of you have a of the screen, you have a 13 year child. on the other, year old child. on the other, you thousands of developers you have thousands of developers who systematically who are systematically trying to engineer addictive engineer for an addictive product that child cannot win. can never win. it's like trying to beat the house. the parents can't win, the teachers can't win . so i think when it comes to win. so i think when it comes to social media, social media addiction, we need government regulation and oversight with regards accessing this regards to kids accessing this stuff. when and where. you know, i wouldn't kids to have i wouldn't allow kids to have a smartphone younger than 12. personally and i think in schools no phones should not be happening . and i think finally happening. and i think finally probably limit access to social media how you enforce this media apps. how you enforce this is hard. the other two are very doable hours a day. um doable to two hours a day. um realistically. also, though, it has replaced television, so i know it sounds awful , but you know it sounds awful, but you know, when i was a kid, we'd watch for 3 or 4 hours a day, watch tv for 3 or 4 hours a day, which wasn't particularly which also wasn't particularly healthy. i think it's a big healthy. so i think it's a big part, like you say, of the obesity epidemic. but i feel we shouldn't blame the children because the stuff going into the food ultra processed food, is

not and these not their fault. and these addictive products , and they're addictive products, and they're engineered to be addictive aren't their fault either. >> but any parent who's nearly thrown an iphone across the room and of them, will know and i am one of them, will know that it's difficult not to that it's very difficult not to blame the children when they won't down blimmin won't put down those blimmin devices, and are addictive . devices, and they are addictive. i i'm interested in, i guess what i'm interested in, particularly daniel, is, is we need a collective responsibility to the next generation action, and i don't feel the will is there from teachers, from politicians, as you say , from politicians, as you say, from tech giants. it's in their interest to create algorithms which will create an addiction often, and also from parents, because it's so hard for us when it feels like we're the only ones pushing water uphill against these massively influential forces. >> well, i just want to say , >> well, i just want to say, when a kid, didn't when i was a kid, we didn't watch television 3 or 4 hours a day because it was only the test card until 5:00. um, i'm that old, um , i sort of feel i live old, um, i sort of feel i live in a parallel universe. uh, last yeari in a parallel universe. uh, last year i spent a huge amount of my time in the house of lords, uh,

working through detailed detail, scrutiny of the legislation on the online safety bill, which was there a bill that an act as it now is, which has huge implications for adult free speech and for the management of the internet , but has all been the internet, but has all been donein the internet, but has all been done in the name of protecting children. and that's the apparatus that the government has put in place to protect children. and what do we hear? well, we hear the answer isn't any of that. the answer is you're going to ban kids from owning, smartphones owning, uh, smartphones under a certain . and that and what certain age. and that and what was the other thing you said? it's not in schools. not not in schools . schools. >> obviously, some schools already in school. already shouldn't be in school. >> i'm totally agree on that. they should not allowed in they should not be allowed in schools. absolutely no problem with at all. but you know, with that at all. but you know, we're all we've got these silver bullet are going bullet answers which are going to problem. um, to solve the whole problem. um, it first and foremost, it is first and foremost, obviously parents obviously the parents responsibility. that doesn't mean the parents mean it's only the parents responsibility. it is true to some extent that of course , you some extent that of course, you have got people trying to generate addictive product at

generate an addictive product at the says. but the way that aaron says. but that's the whole online that's what the whole online safety was meant try and safety act was meant to try and address, them doing that address, to stop them doing that in we in relation to children. we haven't come into proper haven't seen it come into proper effect but is that going to effect yet, but is that going to work not? no. and what are work or not? no. and what are the what is the price the prices? what is the price that's going to paid in terms that's going to be paid in terms of freedom of speech for adults and and all and access for wikipedia and all sorts of other things that are going caught in a in going to get caught in a in a very unpredictable way by this massively piece of massively complex piece of legislation ofcom, of all legislation which ofcom, of all people i know going to be the people i know is going to be the regulator of in ofcom, who are, you know, you wouldn't trust ofcom out of the i wouldn't trust manage packet ofcom out of the i wouldn't trlcrisps. manage packet ofcom out of the i wouldn't trlcrisps.well,manage packet ofcom out of the i wouldn't trlcrisps. well, ifanage packet ofcom out of the i wouldn't trlcrisps. well, if ofcom packet ofcom out of the i wouldn't trlcrisps. well, if ofcom are cket of crisps. well, if ofcom are watching, we're huge fans of you, huge fans ofcom. you, we're huge fans of ofcom. i'm but i'm i'm not, i'm not, but i'm allowed. allowed to say i'm allowed. i'm allowed to say i'm not. um, because i'll provide balance and say that i don't represent news. i turn represent gb news. i just turn up, um, have to say something. >> it terrifies me that ofcom are to regulate the are going to regulate the internet. literally internet. yeah, it literally keeps awake the keeps me awake at night. the idea also but also in terms idea that also but also in terms of the online safety bill, the idea that as adults can't of the online safety bill, the idea atat as adults can't of the online safety bill, the idea atat as (material can't of the online safety bill, the idea atat as (material without look at adult material without perhaps facial

perhaps giving a facial recognition of who you are with your identity in order to your your identity in order to get and also the future of the future of encryption , whether future of encryption, whether you can actually continue having encrypted messages through encrypted text messages through whatsapp that whatsapp and other services that offer encryption, whether you can do that, um, whether that will still be allowed, uh, nobody knows how that's going to work because ofcom now work either, because ofcom now has power the has the power to require the operator to the encryption operator to break the encryption in certain circumstances, and there we are. >> so i don't actually have any easy answers to this. as aaron says , if people look at tiktok, says, if people look at tiktok, i mistrust the fact that tiktok is a chinese product. i've never looked at tick tock myself . i've looked at tick tock myself. i've never signed up. i think it's a lot of people dancing, isn't it? never signed up. i think it's a lotsomething.1ancing, isn't it? never signed up. i think it's a lotsomething. basically,n't it? never signed up. i think it's a lot something. basically, why:? never signed up. i think it's a lot something. basically, why do or something. basically, why do you want look at a lot of you want to look at a lot of people dancing? >> it's tiny little >> because it's tiny little short short clips which short videos, short clips which are each. and this are a few seconds each. and this is concern. this why it's is my concern. this is why it's different television, because different to television, because at television. at least television. your parents outraged that at least television. your parewanted outraged that at least television. your parewanted to outraged that at least television. your parewanted to watch raged that at least television. your parewanted to watch something you wanted to watch something like grange hill. it would have beenin like grange hill. it would have been in my day because somebody might swear word on might have said a swear word on it. in place. at least

it. hate in place. but at least we what was it for peyton we what was it for you? peyton place, place. what was place, peyton place. what was the parents didn't the program your parents didn't want aaron. my. want you to watch? aaron. my. >> parents were probably >> my parents were probably quite liberal, actually, i must say, watching simpsons say, i was watching the simpsons or, family guy. or, you know, family guy. >> so young. so. but but >> you're so young. so. but but tiktok is a series very tiktok is a series of very short clips, often just clips, and it is often just people performing in their own home. it nonsense. my home. it is nonsense. so my concern atrophies the concern is it atrophies the attention span. >> think should be made >> i think they should be made to chunks of shakespeare to learn chunks of shakespeare by and isn't allowed by heart, and it isn't allowed in china. >> so even though it's a chinese made it is banned in china. made app, it is banned in china. so the china, you know that the western thick western kids are becoming thick and with the and badly influenced with the chinese are all fine. chinese kids are all fine. interestingly has interestingly enough, china has the limit. >> think several for >> i think of several hours for children a certain age children below a certain age access and this stuff so it can be of course, in this be done. but of course, in this country we have this attitude. well, learn anything well, we can't learn anything from they've learnt from china. they've learnt a hell a lot from us over the hell of a lot from us over the last 40 years. they've taken the best society. they best from our society. they sucked the lemon dry, but we can't learn anything from them. there i would say there you go. i would say quickly as well. yeah. two people didn't their people that didn't let their kids smartphones. guess who kids have smartphones. guess who they bill gates, steve

jobs. >> there n jobs. >> there i always tell >> there you go. i always tell my that when they say my children that when they say that i'm awful because have my children that when they say thatapp, awful because have my children that when they say thatapp, inful because have my children that when they say thatapp, i have)ecause have my children that when they say thatapp, i have the use have my children that when they say thatapp, i have the custodial; the app, i have the custodial app. who part of the people who've done research about, who've done this research about, oh, off. you can oh, you can turn it off. you can then use your phone to turn off their phones. you don't to their phones. you don't have to fight out of their hand or fight it out of their hand or anything. but let me just briefly, daniel, talk about the obesity because obesity epidemic because we we've so in the we've it's flipped so far in the other direction. used say other direction. we used to say don't children get you know, don't let children get you know, we must protect them from an eating disorder. you don't want teenage girls to be anorexic. i'm my i'm much more worried about my children, daughters being children, my daughters being very i about very overweight than i am about them anorexic because them being anorexic because they see celebration and they see it as a celebration and they may outside may look beautiful outside and they still. they may look beautiful still. you get beautiful, bigger ladies inside not looking healthy. inside is not looking healthy. that's worries me . that's what worries me. >> well, i'm a little bit sceptical about all of this. i i walk up and down the streets like other people, and i expect to see all these obese kids all over the place. and you do see some obese kids, but remember what obesity means. obesity is not being overweight on the bmi scale. got four grades,

scale. you've got four grades, you've underweight, normal, you've got underweight, normal, overweight and obese. and you have be quite lot have to be quite a lot overweight weight. think it's overweight weight. i think it's a score bmi before you hit a score of 30 bmi before you hit obese. obese is really quite serious. and we talk about this when you look at the numbers what you see is that the numbers are 4% higher than expected . now are 4% higher than expected. now that translates into about 50,000 kids. that's 50,000. perhaps too many. but it's not like i don't regard this as being the sort of epidemic. it's being the sort of epidemic. it's being cried up as by the by the medical profession the whole time. it's an issue. but i don't see this as now people disagree with me and they see obese kids all over the place. it's what you see as much. it's how your eyes work, as much as anything else. but i'm sceptical that we have a crisis as serious as this is being played up, what do you think? expected . think? 4% more than expected. >> how do we know what it's not evenly distributed. so for instance scotland obesity instance scotland has obesity rates to rates actually quite close to the . um, england's the united states. um, england's a better in london. it's a bit better in london. it's very good. but this actually is

a really important point, is that we've built a society for cars and that has inevitably meant are playing cars and that has inevitably meant less. are playing cars and that has inevitably meant less. they're laying cars and that has inevitably meant less. they're lessg outside less. they're less likely walk school, likely to walk to school, they're likely cycle, they're less likely to cycle, and there's a trade off there. and think that's a real shame. and i think that's a real shame. and i think that's a real shame. and we're setting them and again, we're setting them up to many ways. lack of to fail in so many ways. lack of regulation on social media, processed food 1950s aaron no, we a society. no, we we didn't have a society. no, we did not retail parks. and did not have retail parks. and we have, you know, we we didn't have, you know, we need accept fact need to accept the fact that fundamentally, kids have a different to different relationship. now to the environment that they the built environment that they had 30, years ago. had even even 30, 40 years ago. so i'm not saying that's monocausal. i'm not saying it's the think we're the reason, but i think we're setting up to fail in so setting them up to fail in so many ways. and we have a society built for just like the us built for cars just like the us go italy, go to france, go to go to italy, go to france, go to spain. so. not spain. it's less so. it's not them. their are magically them. their kids are magically better ours. so yeah. better than ours. so yeah. >> okay. right thank you guys. we're another we're going to take another quick so coming um, quick break. so coming up, um, lord hague of richmond, otherwise hague otherwise known as william hague and blair have put and sir tony blair have put their heads together. they've come with to sell our come up with a plan to sell our medical and the medical records and fund the future doctors. is this a future of ai doctors. is this a good this is dewbs& co on

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radio. >> very good evening. it's dewbs & co with me bev turner this evening and i have got conservative life peer daniel moylan and co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani with me this evening. let's see what you have been saying. at home. we were talking, of course, about this awful, uh, the sentencing today, effectively, of the killer of in nottingham of the two students and the caretaker in that case um and of course sentenced to a hospital stay in a psychiatric unit indefinitely. yes, but course , he he could yes, but of course, he he could improve. graham has said, um, in fact, philip has said when will we ever learn justice has not been served . uh, stephen has been served. uh, stephen has said waldo committed evil and multiple premeditated murders , multiple premeditated murders, regardless of the state of his mind. i have no faith in our legal and justice system. we must have debate in parliament must have a debate in parliament to another look at the law to have another look at the law on cases such as this, marcus

said. the law needs to be changed. how can somebody who knowingly chooses weapons to kill them kill and then uses them effectively, not be classed as premeditated ? this is ridiculous premeditated? this is ridiculous . jenny. that man went fully armed to do harm. it is as simple as that. lots of you getting in touch. soft touch britain, says christopher. if you're struggling, just go and get go out and kill someone. plead insanity. you can get a life centre in a hospital, clean bed , three meals a day, doctor bed, three meals a day, doctor on everything want, on call, everything we want, everything that we want but don't get now. so tony blair and lord william hague have put their heads together and come up with a plan. they're proposing to sell our nhs medical records to sell our nhs medical records to create personalised eye doctors, as well as a future of new cures and treatments in britain. it sounds all so lovely , doesn't it? so why are we all deeply cynical about this? we'll have a listen to what tony blair said recently , and i also think said recently, and i also think this this issue to do with the technology and the digital infrastructure , i just want to

infrastructure, i just want to emphasise how important i think that is, because in the end, you you need the data , you need to you need the data, you need to know who's been vaccinated and who hasn't been. >> some of the vaccines that will come on down the line will be multiple. there'll be multiple shots. so you've got to have the reasons to do with the health care more generally, but certainly for a pandemic or for vaccines, you've got to have a proper digital infrastructure and many countries don't have that. >> and there's a reason for that because they would be deeply unpopular. i think, with many members of the public, especially after events of the last three years, he makes it all sound so harmless , doesn't all sound so harmless, doesn't he, daniel? he makes it all sound as though it would always be in our best interests. and i my hackles go up when i hear this is going to be for your safety. how this story is moving on of course, is that tony blair and william hague have now said that very excited that they've got very excited about this data set. the nhs is about this data set. the nhs is a set we know, that a data set and as we know, that is valuable commodities to

is very valuable commodities to have days. they're have these days. and so they're excited to sell it, to up excited to sell it, to set up a private company that would effectively the corporates. well it's mussolini it's basically what mussolini said. wasn't it about corporatism merger of corporatism is the merger of state and corporate power? i i just see control. i see being dictated to about what you can and can't, what you should and shouldn't take, let's say, as medical organ in your body. and ihave medical organ in your body. and i have grave concerns about the fact that they couldn't possibly keep and animus, which keep this data and animus, which is what they're saying they're going to do. that's ludicrous. they want our private to they want our private data to sell to invest back into ai sell it to invest back into ai and doctors . sell it to invest back into ai and doctors. is it as dystopian to you as it sounds to me? >> well, my hackles go up as well when i see, um, a tony blair and my old friend william hague, because it really is the blob on four legs, isn't it? sort of push me pull you of the established moment. but established moment. um, but i think we need to be a bit more nuanced about this. i think, first of all, in this country, we made a bargain with the state back 1940s, and we said, back in the 1940s, and we said, we're longer responsible for we're no longer responsible for our state is going

our health. the state is going to be responsible for our health, part of that is we health, and part of that is we hand over data. they hand over all our data. they have all that information and i don't we're a position don't think we're in a position now to say, you know, want now to say, you know, we want you all of this for us, you to do all of this for us, but you can't actually exploit that. second thing is, the, that. second thing is, um, the, the, fact is there is the, the fact is there is a reason why we were able to produce a vaccine for the pandemic before other countries. and part of it is that the national health service is a huge data set already. we are very good. the national health service is very good at running trials because it's a command and organisation. so it and control organisation. so it can actually set up trials that can actually set up trials that can cover the whole country. large trials now a diffuse large trials now in a diffuse system have in germany system like you have in germany and france, where you don't have the command control the the command and control and the centre, have centre, and you have institutions that are independent and are receiving money the state, but but money from the state, but but are not structured as a, as a national industry, which is what we have here. it's harder to set up that sort of system and to do the trials that help you get somewhere. so i think we need to acknowledge that, know,

acknowledge that, you know, although lot of although the nhs has a lot of deficiencies socialist deficiencies that that socialist stalinist command and control structure that was set up in the 19405 structure that was set up in the 1940s when it was nationalised can bring benefits. and can bring some benefits. and they are mainly related to data, information trials . so this information and trials. so this information and trials. so this information is valuable. it's valuable financially, but it's valuable financially, but it's valuable medically and it would be strange, i think, if we weren't using it, the involvement of the private sector is something that is a separate story. whether that is acceptable . and of course, acceptable. and of course, there's the question of what the money would be spent on because they're going to spend it on all this wonderful stuff. whereas you i it's bound to be you and i know it's bound to be spent on on an extra layer of hr managers, a very possibly, and it could you're right, the it could be you're right, the nhs be you could that nhs could be you could do that research cheaper drugs. research into cheaper drugs. >> be >> maybe that could be repurposed be that repurposed drugs won't be that though will it? aaron it won't be that. >> well look there's a line in journalism isn't there. follow the money. yeah. so oracle , i'm the money. yeah. so oracle, i'm sure your viewers and listeners out there are familiar with this company owned a gentleman

company owned by a gentleman called ellison. not only called larry ellison. not only he's ceo oracle he's the he's the ceo oracle have already given $100 million to the tony blair institute , to the tony blair institute, $100 million. they plan over the next several years to give up to $375 million. now, in 2022, oracle bought cerner , which is oracle bought cerner, which is a medical records company in the united states, for $30 billion, was oracle and larry ellison are fascinating , was oracle and larry ellison are fascinating, aided by was oracle and larry ellison are fascinating , aided by the fascinating, aided by the digitisation of medical records and applications in al and guess what? vaccines of course. and what? vaccines of course. and what has tony blair been talking about non—stop on the world economic forum? davos merry go round for the last couple of years. precisely those two things, dare i say there may be some relationship between all the money going into his little pet project, the tbi , and the pet project, the tbi, and the things he's arguing for. and this is a major issue actually going forward under a labour government. okay. it is i prefer a labour government to a tory government, but i'm under absolutely no illusions about some things could some bad things that could happen.the some bad things that could

happen. the circling tony blair is circling, circling around starmer at every opportunity . starmer at every opportunity. >> you see, he's smelling the blood and he's sniffing the money that might be available once and people talk about people, talk about right wing think tanks who don't declare their blah, blah. their funding, blah, blah, blah. >> think that's right. good. >> i think that's right. good. true. correct very few people, people o'brien on lbc people like james o'brien on lbc and you're not going and whatnot. you're not going to criticise journalists. criticise fellow journalists. i will, it on will, they'll talk about it on the right, but they don't say hold on, there's blair over hold on, there's tony blair over there. trying to influence there. he's trying to influence there. he's trying to influence the labour the policy of the next labour government, he's receiving government, and he's receiving hundreds of millions of pounds from the from american billionaires. the saudis, and qataris. saudis, the uae and the qataris. nobody it's nobody says a word. it's puzzling me. yeah. puzzling to me. yeah. >> do you think, daniel, when these issues are raised because this isn't as far as i know, tony blair and his plan to lead a biotech revolution hasn't been debated in the house of commons or the house of lords. >> i'm not, as far as i'm aware. >>— >> i'm not, as far as i'm aware. >> no, no. and this is part of the problem, isn't it, that somehow he involved in somehow what he is involved in and sort march i, and this sort of march of i, i know i know that the prime minister is a huge fan of

artificial intelligence and it's something that he feels very strongly about, but feels strongly about, but it feels like digging pros like digging into the pros and cons. analysis cons. the cost benefit analysis of sorts changing of these sorts of life changing steps . this is of these sorts of life changing steps. this is not of these sorts of life changing steps . this is not being of these sorts of life changing steps. this is not being done of these sorts of life changing steps . this is not being done in steps. this is not being done in the right places. it's not being donein the right places. it's not being done in parliament. is that partly, do you think, because it's just quite difficult to understand . and of it is understand. and some of it is quite especially stuff. quite especially the tech stuff. it quite tricky to understand it is quite tricky to understand and therefore it's just sort of not getting dealt with. >> no, i think the answer is and i don't want to sound like a mad conspiracy theorist, but there's undoubtedly there is an establishment which straddles the establishment the sort of the establishment conservative, the establishment wing of the conservative party, the of the the establishment wing of the labour of the labour party, many of the professional institutions, royal colleges, institutes , things colleges, institutes, things like a large part of like that. a large part of academia and certain parts of the corporate sector as well. academia and certain parts of the ythey rate sector as well. academia and certain parts of the ythey have nector as well. academia and certain parts of the ythey have forums; well. academia and certain parts of the ythey have forums in ell. academia and certain parts of the ythey have forums in which and they have forums in which they get together and they discuss what they want to do and then these decisions get taken and parliament and the public are only brought in where they where there's an absolute necessity for them to make a

decision which enables those decisions. the consensus is decisions. but the consensus is and the direction of travel is very often created away from the pubuc very often created away from the public eye. and that's very deliberate . and i think people deliberate. and i think people are more conscious of that. and it's it's what is feeding it's what it's what is feeding in part , the sort of revulsion in part, the sort of revulsion against the sort of the establishment, the establishment, the establishment, political parties that we're seeing and some of the policies being pursued because people are much less trusting of politicians that they trust. they don't. they're not trusting them, that they're making decisions that are uninfluenced by external factors . was without listening properly to what people think . and this to what people think. and this is just one example of that. and i think the parties and the politicians have to get real about this and understand that unless actually take unless they actually take people with persuade them, with them and persuade them, these things will not be durable and they and the same is happening in the trust on trying to align with the back, get back in alignment with the eu. for example. >> yeah. and the trust has gone,

hasn't it. but we've got to take another break. still to come. ministers say there are plans ministers say there are no plans to raise level of english to raise the level of english required foreign required by foreign care workers, tragic workers, despite the tragic death a dementia sufferer death of a dementia sufferer after to after staff were unable to explain condition in a 999 explain her condition in a 999 call. shouldn't everybody working the uk, particularly working in the uk, particularly in the care sector, speak better english? this is dewbs & co on .

gb news. very good evening chatting with my guests. it's nice to be here at this time of the day. rather 930 in the morning. helen's got in touch and she says, surely we need to put cures and treatments ahead of our health records. i've got nothing to be ashamed of. on, bev, that's in of. come on, bev, that's in relation to blair wanting relation to tony blair wanting to on all our to get his hands on all our medical create a lovely medical data and create a lovely digital where we all digital system where we can all be tracked. now, moving on. we haven't much longer left on haven't got much longer left on the has the show. the home office has ruled raising english ruled out raising english language standards for foreign

care workers, saying would care workers, saying it would be very assess and very difficult to assess and manage should english language very difficult to assess and manag> yes, 100. i think if you want to work in the uk, you should have to speak english. um we were about this before were talking about this before the think day the show. i don't think on day one, because might have a one, because you might have a premier league footballer or something who speak something who can't speak english. and the transfer. so. okay within three months you have certain have to meet a certain threshold, you get a qualification. think that's qualification. i think that's sensible. on the care homes thing. care in thing. look, most care homes in the sector, they're the private sector, they're owned asset management owned by big asset management firms, want low costs. firms, etc. they want low costs. they costs they don't want more costs foisted them. so it's easy to foisted on them. so it's easy to blame workers. need blame the workers. they need these there these qualifications. there shouldn't be punitive. it shouldn't be punitive. it shouldn't to make shouldn't be some scam to make money. know, 30, £50 like a money. you know, 30, £50 like a provisional driving license. you get certificate, you can get your certificate, you can work. big care sort work. but the big care home sort of won't want that of chains won't want that because want cheap workers of chains won't want that becethey want cheap workers of chains won't want that becethey wantvant cheap workers of chains won't want that becethey want to |t cheap workers of chains won't want that becethey want to make|p workers of chains won't want that becethey want to make asrvorkers of chains won't want that becethey want to make as muchs and they want to make as much money our older people money from our older people as they can. >> we've got such a shortage >> but we've got such a shortage of care workers, daniel, because it pains me to say aaron, it pains me to say to aaron, first of all, the customers want low as low costs as well. >> customers are local authorities and families, and

they costs well . and they want low costs as well. and you ask them how much they're willing to extra have. you ask them how much they're wilii'm to extra have. you ask them how much they're wilii'm not extra have. you ask them how much they're wilii'm not getting| have. you ask them how much they're wilii'm not getting it, have. you ask them how much they're wilii'm not getting it, are le. you ask them how much they're wilii'm not getting it, are they? >> i'm not getting it, are they? because asset management because the big asset management firms, whatever firms, well, whatever the fact of fact of matter is of the fact of the matter is that it of the fact of the matter is thatitis of the fact of the matter is that it is not just driven by the providers, it's driven by the providers, it's driven by the base, too. the customer base, too. >> need to be honest and >> and you need to be honest and open about that. i totally agree with fact, i gave him with aaron. in fact, i gave him the when we were chatting the idea when we were chatting before and he's just before the show and he's just stolen from me. but no, you stolen it from me. but no, you were further. >> come daniel, be honest. >> come on daniel, be honest. >> come on daniel, be honest. >> was say two weeks. >> i was going to say two weeks. >> i was going to say two weeks. >> had to. you could come in >> you had to. you could come in for weeks without speaking for two weeks without speaking engush for two weeks without speaking english you've to english because you've got to allow for tourists. yeah but i but i'll go with his three but but i'll go with his three months. you need to. i think everyone comes to live in everyone who comes to live in this should. should this country should. should should speak should be required to speak english. what english. i don't see what they're about at they're strange about that. at and the visa should be cancelled if can't demonstrate if they can't demonstrate a certain of proficiency certain level of proficiency after a certain but after a certain time. but there's i want after a certain time. but th

yes, but there are lots of people in this country who don't speak english and they're not all care workers. there all care workers. and there are many they're at many of them. they're living at home, whatever. they're home, whatever. and they're people. what does happen? what is policy the is the nhs policy or the ambulance service's policy? perhaps when somebody perhaps i should when somebody fings perhaps i should when somebody rings when rings and they don't when somebody rings who is trying to express can't express an emergency but can't speak they can't speak english and they can't understand them, is it absolutely you just absolutely standard? you just put on or is put the phone down on them or is there sort of response? i'd there some sort of response? i'd like to know what the answer to that. i imagine my, teenagers that. i imagine my, my teenagers would use google would say, you use google translate you to translate and then you get to the what it is that the end of what it is that you're wanting to say. >> we've got to end of the >> we've got to the end of the show. i'm so sorry. oh, it flew by, didn't it? >> did. >> it did. >> it did. >> it did. drags >> it did. drags a >> it did. drags a bit >> it did. drags a bit when >> it did. drags a bit when i've sat next to pierce. i'm sat next to andrew pierce. i'm joking. right. thank you so much, gentlemen. thank you daniel. you aaron. up daniel. thank you aaron. up next, this evening is nigel farage. be back you farage. i will be back with you with andrew pierce on monday morning at 930 for britain's newsroom. you newsroom. i will see you then. have lovely and have a lovely weekend and a brighter outlook with solar brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news.

sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> alex deakin here with your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. good evening. after a fairly cloudy but mild thursday, friday looks much brighter with most of us seeing some sunny spells. a couple of weather fronts to swing across the country though. tonight this one's already bringing cloud rain parts bringing cloud and rain to parts of and wales, of northern england and wales, and will bring a band and this one will bring a band of quite heavy rain that will zip across scotland and northern england. northern ireland this evening gusts will evening and the gusts will suddenly pick up as that rain band moves across, and it will then spread across most of england wales from to england and wales from west to east. so we'll all see some rain through night. tending through the night. but tending to for most by dawn, to become dry for most by dawn, turning quite cold across northern icy northern scotland. some icy conditions the conditions possible here and the showers turn wintry. some showers will turn wintry. some snow on the higher routes for sure through the night and first thing in the morning. elsewhere though, bright and breezy though, it's a bright and breezy kind of day. some early rain of course, should be gone by course, kent should be gone by sunrise and then generally, as i said, a fine day with more sunshine than today. showers

will continue to come into western parts scotland and western parts of scotland and temperatures lower than temperatures will be lower than today mild, but today. won't be as mild, but these numbers close to today. won't be as mild, but theraverage ars close to today. won't be as mild, but theraverage for close to today. won't be as mild, but theraverage for the close to today. won't be as mild, but theraverage for the timense to today. won't be as mild, but theraverage for the time of to today. won't be as mild, but theraverage for the time of year the average for the time of year . turning a bit cold on friday night south, some pockets night in the south, some pockets of on saturday of frost possible on saturday again , outbreaks of rain across again, outbreaks of rain across the northwest of scotland. quite windy on saturday too, the windy here on saturday too, the breeze picking up elsewhere in the bit more cloud, the west. a bit more cloud, perhaps still perhaps on saturday, but still for most it looks largely dry and bright and temperatures up to 9 or 10 c. it's goodbye . to 9 or 10 c. it's goodbye. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news .

>> good evening . >> good evening. >> good evening. >> on the day the nottingham triple killer gets sentenced, politicians promise more laws,

more restrictions on knives. but do we need more laws ? or rather, do we need more laws? or rather, should we just enforce the ones we've got already? the government are now saying british homes for british people in council housing, but in terms of council housing, but do they actually mean it? and joining me on talking pints this evening, mark llobet , perhaps evening, mark llobet, perhaps you know him better as the beast from the ever popular the chase on itv. but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you and good evening to you. well, the sun of the murdered caretaker, ian coates says nhs , mental health coates says nhs, mental health services and the police must be held accountable after his father's killer was given a hospital order rather than a prison sentence. today, 32 year old waldo callachan was suffering from paranoid schizo phrenia when he killed ian coates and two nottingham university students, barnaby webber and grace o'malley kumar,

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