restrictions on knives. but more restrictions on knives. but do we need more laws .7 or rather, do we need more laws.7 or rather, should we just enforce the ones we've got already? the government are now saying british homes for british people in council housing, but in terms of council housing, but do they actually mean it? and joining me on talking pints this evening, mark llobet , perhaps evening, mark llobet, perhaps you know him better as the beast from the ever popular the chase on itv. but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you and good evening to you. well, the sun of the murdered caretaker, ian coates says nhs , mental health coates says nhs, mental health services and the police must be held accountable after his father's killer was given a hospital order rather than a prison sentence. today, 32 year old waldo callachan was suffering from paranoid schizo phrenia when he killed ian coates and two nottingham university students, barnaby webber and grace o'malley kumar,

in june last year. he pleaded not guilty to murder due to his mental condition, but did admit manslaughter. speaking outside the court, the victim's family said the triple killer had made a mockery of the system and got away with murder. barnaby webber's mother, emma, said they had trusted the system, but it had trusted the system, but it had failed them at no point dunng had failed them at no point during the previous five and a half months will be given any indication that this could conclude in anything other than murder. >> we trusted in our system foolishly , as it turns out, we foolishly, as it turns out, we do not dispute that the murderer is mentally unwell and has been for a number of years. however, the premeditated planning the collection of lethal weapons, hiding in the shadows and the brutality of the attacks are of an individual who knew exactly what he was doing when he knew entirely that it was wrong, but he did it anyway. >> emma webber, speaking there outside the courtroom. well, the government's been defending its record on tackling knife crime in a third crackdown in eight

years. the home secretary says the new restrictions are aimed at closing what he calls a loophole, which allows some types of so—called zombie knives to be kept and sold. and while labour says the new legislation doesn't go far enough and there needs to be tougher penalties , needs to be tougher penalties, james cleverly says the government is taking the right action. >> i became home secretary. i made the immediate decision to go further to put forward this secondary legislation to support what we've already done to make the possession of zombie knives illegal and to close the loophole so i'm very pleased with taking action now. we have seen a reduction in crime. we have a plan to drive it down further. that plan is working . further. that plan is working. we're determined to take these knives off the streets . knives off the streets. >> james cleverly well , in other >> james cleverly well, in other news today, a man has been sentenced to 13 years in prison for encouraging and paying for the sexual abuse of young children around the world over a penod children around the world over a period of nine years. matthew bower, from kent, sought out

people online, both adults and children, who he could coerce into sending him explicit content . but the 52 year old content. but the 52 year old first denied the crime, saying he'd been hacked before pleading guilty to 15 offences and making more than 1700 indecent images of children . three people have of children. three people have been arrested for allegedly posing as immigration lawyers and facilitating false asylum claims , all from a garage in claims, all from a garage in manchester. the home office has revealed that the suspects, including a married couple, charged over £3,000 per client for fake documents. it's understood those arrested were british and chinese nationals. the government says it is relentless in finding those abusing the immigration system for profit . and lastly, criminal for profit. and lastly, criminal gangs who try to smuggle items into prisons using drones will face new penalties from today. new 400 metre no fly zones are now in force around british

prisons. that means anyone caught trying to fly items like phones, drugs or weapons into jails using drones will pay a 2500 pounds fine. they'll also be a ten year maximum prison sentence for anyone breaching the new restrictions . and that's the new restrictions. and that's the new restrictions. and that's the news on gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaken digital radio and on your smart speaker. this is britain's news channel. >> good evening . it was >> good evening. it was a shocking day last summer when we got the news from nottingham that a man was on the loose. three people had been stabbed to death and then a car was then dnven death and then a car was then driven at people waiting at a bus stop. what on earth could have happened? well today the man committed heinous man that committed these heinous crimes, calkin, was in crimes, waldo calkin, was in court and it proved to be very controversial because as he has not been sentenced for murder, but for manslaughter on the

grounds of diminished responsibility. and i'll come to the details of that case in a moment. but of course, the day has been used by sir keir starmer, by the home secretary, james cleverly, all promising new laws, more laws by bans on the sale of zombie knives online. i'd was that if labour get to power those caught possessing a weapon without a good reason for having it will be subject to tags and much else, but i just wonder, do we really need more legislation ? do really need more legislation? do we need proper cases coming from both sides of the political divide, that something will be done? might it not be better to enforce the laws that we've actually currently got ? might it actually currently got? might it not be better to go back to stop and search in the streets and in the areas where knife crime is prevalent ? wouldn't that make prevalent? wouldn't that make more sense than yet more promises of bans and tougher sentences? frankly whether it's a zombie knife or a knife you

get from your kitchen drawer, it is not about the weapon . it's is not about the weapon. it's about the person that that is using it. that's how i feel. but before we get to that debate, and by the way, i'd love your thoughts on this too. you know, do we need more laws? farage gb news. com before we get to that, let's find out what happened in court in the east midlands today. and i'm joined by will hollis gb news east midlands reporter will just give us a summary, please, of the events of the day . of the day. >> yes. well today here at nottingham crown court , osvaldo nottingham crown court, osvaldo calican, who also goes by the auas calican, who also goes by the alias adam mendez, was sentenced to a hospital order. he will now spend most, if not all of his life at ashworth high security hospital in merseyside . calican hospital in merseyside. calican will never see the inside of a prison cell and his sentence will be indefinite. but today

we've heard from justice turner, who said that because of osvaldo kalakani's mental illness and the condition, schizophrenia , he the condition, schizophrenia, he might not have committed these acts . calican pleaded guilty not acts. calican pleaded guilty not to murder. he pleaded guilty to manslaughter, but under the grounds of diminished risk. possibility because of his illness. now that's something that's been incredibly controversial here at nottingham crown court because the family members of students barred weber and grace o'malley kumar, as well as school caretaker ian coates , came to nottingham coates, came to nottingham expecting a murder trial and that decision was clear to see how much it was, not what they were expecting . when we were on were expecting. when we were on the court steps here at about midday, barnaby webber's mum emma said that true justice has not been served. today we as a

devastated family have been let down by multiple agency failings and ineffective . ness. she's and ineffective. ness. she's talking about not just the police, not just the cps, but also mental health services here in the east midlands. calican had been sectioned four times since the year 2019. speaking about the police, she says she has grave concerns about nottinghamshire police. you have blood on your hands. we trust in our system foolishly , as it our system foolishly, as it turns out, as well . it wasn't turns out, as well. it wasn't just her on the steps, it wasn't just her on the steps, it wasn't just the families of those two students as well . james, the son students as well. james, the son of ian coates, said quite powerfully , this man referring powerfully, this man referring to calican, is a killer. murder is the only thing he cared about. he's gotten away with murder. it is of course, referencing to that night and that day on the 13th of june, seven months ago now, when nottingham , as well as the whole nottingham, as well as the whole country woke up to the

devastating scene , most of us devastating scene, most of us initially thought there might have been some sort of terrorist attack. the scale of it was unknown in this part of the country. four different locations where waldo calican had first stabbed those two students on ilkeston road multiple times, with a double edged dagger. he was carrying around a rucksack full of weapons. he then tried to break into a hostel where homeless men were living . he was pushed away, were living. he was pushed away, punched away from the window, then he moved on to magdala road, where he convinced ian coates to step out of his van before stabbing him again to death . stole ian coates's van, death. stole ian coates's van, driving it into the city into three pedestrians who this week we heard, were lucky to have survived. the police say that while calican during this rampage was wanted by police , a rampage was wanted by police, a warrant out for his arrest for an alleged crime and assault on

an alleged crime and assault on a police officer. they say that they should have pursued it. that's something that is agreed by all of the families here. but as well, what has been agreed unanimously is by the psychiatric doctors that spoke this week here at nottingham crown court that valdo calican would not have committed these crimes unless he had been suffering an episode with paranoid schizophrenia . voices paranoid schizophrenia. voices in his head that were telling him to kill will hollis. >> thank you very much indeed for that comprehensive report. and you can only really sympathise with the families and the way in which they feel. they feel cheated by the system. they feel cheated by the system. they feel cheated by the system. they feel cheated that it wasn't a full murder trial, but goodness gracious me, this man had been sectioned for four times since 2019. he should not have been out free on the streets . and out free on the streets. and that, i think, is something that will live with these people for the rest of their lives. now now, rory geoghegan is a former

special adviser to boris johnson. when he was prime minister on justice and home affairs and himself a former police officer . rory, thank you police officer. rory, thank you for joining me. i'm very struck forjoining me. i'm very struck today that the home secretary is promising tougher sentences than what keir starmer is talking about. bans on buying certain types of knives online and a new program that labour will bring in to try and reform offenders . in to try and reform offenders. i just it seemed to me that we actually have enough laws in place already. you know, it is already a criminal offence to walk down the street carrying a dangerous bladed weapon unless there's some work reason or religious reason that you've got this knife with you . um, do we this knife with you. um, do we need more laws or do we have enoughin need more laws or do we have enough in place already? >> thank you. nigel. yeah. look i mean, we've got more than enough law , um, laws going after enough law, um, laws going after sort of, you know, the supply , sort of, you know, the supply, the sale and stuff. >> you know, by all means, pursue those things. but the

biggest loophole, let's be honest about this. the biggest loophole backing the loophole is not backing the police supporting the police police and supporting the police and police to and empowering the police to undertake volumes of undertake sufficient volumes of stop search and then coupled stop and search and then coupled to that, it's not sentencing those get caught with those who do get caught with weapons to a sufficient sentence . you know, today's plan from laboun . you know, today's plan from labour, i mean, you could take the badge off you could go back to 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015, put a conservative party branding on it and you wouldn't know any different, right? there's an arms race, i think in sort of empty gestures, frankly, stuff that sounds a bit tough, stuff that sounds a bit tough, stuff that might make a marginal difference, like a nought point 1% the elephant 1% difference. but the elephant in the room and the issue that successive governments the successive governments and the main political parties that we have in parliament have represented in parliament have represented in parliament have consistently get have consistently failed to get a which is the lack of a grip of which is the lack of prison capacity, the lack of support policing, and support for policing, and frankly likely to frankly, we're more likely to see crime and pro—criminal see pro crime and pro—criminal policies emanate from westminster parliament and westminster and parliament and those in and around those who work in and around that space, than we are to see anti crime and anti—criminal policies. i think, you know,

policies. so i think, you know, the biggest loophole, is the biggest loophole, yeah, is not law , it's the not the lack of law, it's the lack of the enforcement of it. >> yeah. well you've said that very, powerfully indeed very, very powerfully indeed rory. mean struck to rory. i mean i'm struck to politically was politically that actually it was almost no difference between the labour position and the conservative position on this. a cynic would say other cynic would say many other issues, too. but let's stick to this for moment. let's this just for the moment. let's go back to policing. you know , go back to policing. you know, one of the arguments that is increasingly being used by young people is that they want to carry knives because they now feel safer carrying a knife for fear that somebody else who might do them harm is carrying a knife . now, presumably , you knife. now, presumably, you know, if you set up on a saturday night, you know, in one of the big high streets in and it could be birmingham, london, nottingham, liverpool, any of our i mean, the idea it's always london. yeah. yeah but it's always london that makes the news with this. but it's not actually per capita. this stuff is worse in birmingham and other places. a fact i think that the

media often tend to forget with our kind of london based media. but if you set up stop and search on a saturday night, you know , and you find 80 people in know, and you find 80 people in a high street that are carrying dangerous bladed weapons, now, the police, of course , risk if the police, of course, risk if it's an area with a high ethnic population of being accused of using racial profiling. but but even if the police feel supported enough to carry out one of those type of raids , what one of those type of raids, what will happen to those 80 young people? well all too often and virtually in, let's be honest, more likely than not slap on the wrist, we're in slap on the wrist, we're in slap on the wrist territory. >> you know, we we've we've we've enabled over successive decades , we've allowed political decades, we've allowed political parties to talk tough but rarely deliver. and we've seen that, perhaps most profoundly in the context of youth justice. you know, young people, we you know, there's a reason they're exploited by criminal gangs, right? because they face lesser sentences. there's a reason

they're exploited by criminal gangs, that basically gangs, which is that basically the police and everyone else is told treat with kid told to treat them with kid gloves. and the truth is, that doesn't help the young person who well be exploited, who may well be being exploited, though might choose to though plenty might choose to enter of criminal, enter a sort of criminal, uh, sort career, sort of lifestyle or career, whatever you want to call it. um, but yeah, in essence, it's a slap wrist territory. and slap on the wrist territory. and we when we even see, even when parliament sought to parliament sort of sought to push a kind of two strike rule for adult offenders, never mind children, even then, the judiciary find a way. judiciary sort of find a way. and prosecution and and the prosecution and the police way to police, they find a way to ensure it's not dealt with ensure that it's not dealt with as robustly public would as robustly as the public would like. think i think like. and i think i think basically there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a moment coming up, i think soon where essentially that's essentially people and that's all include myself in all of us. i include myself in that next time we're facing that the next time we're facing a election, we need to a general election, we need to ensure that we do not give our vote to parties who are not serious about tackling these issues. you know , part of the issues. you know, part of the problem at the moment, of course, is that in terms of those parties we see in those those parties we see in westminster, them really westminster, none of them really offer of serious offer the sort of serious solutions that need.

solutions that we need. you know, you the average know, you speak to the average police officer, they will happily off examples happily rattle off examples of people. as a former officer people. and as a former officer myself, i can tell you, there were young people who, frankly , were young people who, frankly, were young people who, frankly, we with them. we caught we dealt with them. we caught them. you know, i would go out, stop and search, catch them, put them before court, then them before the court, and then instead dealing with them, instead of dealing with them, instead of dealing with them, instead them the instead of giving them the support need, the security support they need, the security they need the safety they need of sentence. it's of a custodial sentence. it's what do is we let the let what we do is we let the let them run wild. them run them run wild. we let them run around ticking time bombs them run wild. we let them run arouincreasingly cking time bombs them run wild. we let them run arouincreasingly through ne bombs them run wild. we let them run arouincreasingly through things|bs and increasingly through things like lines, we see them like county lines, we see them not just run around london as ticking we see them ticking time bombs. we see them flow market towns where flow out to market towns where obviously can ensue. obviously mayhem can ensue. so for with the small for me, just as with the small boats issue, i think boats issue, nigel, i think there's come a moment there's going to come a moment where the public, we where basically the public, we all stand and all need to stand together and withhold our vote from parties who serious this. who are not serious about this. and two main parties and i think the two main parties who currently dominate westminster dominate westminster currently dominate parliament. need to parliament. they need to seriously about this ahead seriously think about this ahead of election, or of the next general election, or else that they'll else i suspect that they'll they'll soon come to discover just how that gap is just how wide that gap is between public and between the public and themselves. absolutely

fascinating. >> rory geoghegan, thank you very much indeed for that testimony . boy, that was really , testimony. boy, that was really, really powerful, wasn't it, from somebody who's been there at the heart of government, at the heart of government, at the heart of government policy, just pointing tough words from pointing out tough words from politicians. no delivery at all, and almost no difference between labour and the tories. wow. strong stuff in a moment, a cry british homes for british people . yes, the government are considering . how can they make considering. how can they make sure that council housing goes to british people before immigrants do they actually really seriously mean this? or is it just once again, electioneering .

gv news radio. >> so do we need the home secretary in sir keir starmer to promise more laws on the sale of knives? >> or do we have enough laws in

place already? some of your thoughts dave says if someone is caught carrying any bladed weapon without legal reason, they should automatically be added to an offenders list and subject to stop and search at any time. if caught again within this time frame, joe. well, jeff says always about laws rather than stopping the reasons for it. typical tories know clue. laura says we should build more prisons. anyone caught carrying a knife should serve at least ten years. laura, we might need to build on that plan quite a lot of prisons now . we've heard lot of prisons now. we've heard it all before , haven't we? it all before, haven't we? british jobs for british workers, british people would be at the top of the list for council housing. and yet there is a feeling , there is is a feeling, there is a perception in the country that that simply isn't the case, a feeling that people come here as refugees. they come here, maybe across the channel and they're allowed to stay. they come from

ukraine or other parts of the world. uh, they're given indefinite leave to remain and there is a feeling, a perception in many parts of the country that actually council housing is favoured for those people rather than for families who perhaps have lived in their cities for generations, perhaps in some cases even for hundreds of years. and yet, liam halligan, who joins me in the studio , who joins me in the studio, suddenly the government are saying , oh, it's okay, we're saying, oh, it's okay, we're going to start prioritising british people . we've heard it british people. we've heard it all before, haven't we? i think there might be an election in there might be an election in the offing. >> nigel, funnily, you should say that. look, the fundamental underlying problem here is a shortage of what we call social housing. that is council housing provided by councils and housing provided by councils and housing provided by councils and housing provided by not for profit housing associations, but allocated by councils for low income , otherwise vulnerable income, otherwise vulnerable families. for roughly half the market rent . now, families. for roughly half the market rent. now, in families. for roughly half the market rent . now, in 1979, at

market rent. now, in 1979, at the eve of the thatcher era , a the eve of the thatcher era, a third of british households lived in social housing, a third one 1 in 3. it's now about 1 in 8. even so , we've got far fewer 8. even so, we've got far fewer council houses, social housing than we had because we sold lots of them off. they weren't replaced, but also we've got far fewer per head because we've got about 20 million more people than we did . than we did. >> waiting list, about 1.2 million on a waiting list of about 1.2 million people. >> and let's be clear, those 1.2 million people were often include often include families include often include families in deep need. i must mention the charity shelter. maybe not your natural affinity, but i know you respect them as well. they do great work in this area. a lot of those families are in bed and breakfast. they are in temporary accommodation. they in accommodation. they are in substandard accommodation, almost these are not almost dickensian. these are not necessarily don't necessarily people who don't want for want to go and work for a living. these are families in genuine need. now got genuine need. now we've got a situation where the elections are approaching. labour knows it needs the red wall, win

needs seats in the red wall, win them back from the tories and they across the red they know that across the red wall in particular, a lot of families their families are worried that their kids the council kids can't get the council housing that they had. they can't afford put a roof over can't afford to put a roof over their heads . they can't afford their heads. they can't afford their heads. they can't afford the rental market, and the private rental market, and they afford they certainly can't afford to buy of families in buy and lots of families are in that position. that's why labour buy and lots of families are in that the ition. that's why labour buy and lots of families are in that the toriesthat's why labour buy and lots of families are in that the toriesthat now |y labour buy and lots of families are in that the toriesthat now |y la 0er and the tories are now sort of vying with other. british vying with each other. british homes for british workers. even gordon brown did back in 20, gordon brown did it back in 20, remember? do him any remember? didn't do him any good. let's have look at good. so let's have a look at the let's have look the numbers. let's have a look at because you at the numbers. because you rightly i thought you were rightly said i thought you were very careful with language. very careful with your language. there in some there is a perception in some areas now, 17% of the british population is now foreign born, right? but only 10% of council housing across the country is given new council housing tenancies to families headed by somebody who is foreign born . so somebody who is foreign born. so across the board actually foreign born families or foreign born parents who have kids here are underrepresented when it comes to council housing. but but but and it's a key but in

some parts of the country for instance, where i grew up, the london borough of brent, i'm a proud boy from kingsbury, a hyper diverse borough. even in my day, even more so now. 40% of new council house tenancies goes to goes to foreign born heads of family in south of the river. not ever go south of the river is in north london, south of the river in southwark it's 29. and i could give you similar numbers. i won't bamboozle everybody at this time of night with numbers. could give you with numbers. i could give you similar areas in the similar numbers for areas in the midlands, west and midlands, the north west and even some wards in the north east. so when some, you know, indigenous , if you like families indigenous, if you like families saying it's not fair, do saying it's not fair, they do have point , saying it's not fair, they do have point, but a lot of have a point, but a lot of people will throw at them. the general statistics across the country that show that foreign born households are not overrepresented on the council house waiting list, and attendances, though they attendances, even though they are in specific areas. >> there are some groups, though sub—saharan africans appear to be, you know, take up a huge percentage social housing. so percentage of social housing. so it depends to some extent with

migrant how upwardly migrant groups how upwardly mobile. that's right. they've been or they haven't. and clearly this particular group , clearly this particular group, sub—saharan africa, there aren't many chinese who have many hong kong chinese who have emigrated social emigrated here who are in social housing, for instance. >> exactly, exactly. housing, for instance. >> so actly, exactly. housing, for instance. >> so the , exactly. housing, for instance. >> so the pointtly. housing, for instance. >> so the point you're making is there parts the country there are parts of the country in which that particular feeling amongst public is amongst the general public is true valid feeling, and one true is a valid feeling, and one that stupid to deny. >> hoity toity economists like me are wrong to dismiss this. this is real people's lives and livelihoods. take it from me, my mum grew up in a council house, ten kids, as did many of my cousins. i was first generation home ownership . i understand home ownership. i understand absolutely to my fingertips the gnawing insecurity that comes from having a council house and worrying that your kids who have low income jobs or other difficulties in their lives won't get a council house, even though you've been paying into the system for generations. yeah and can make these promises and they can make these promises because an election, but because it's an election, but nothing will change at all. well, it strikes me that in in only two of the last 43 years,

right . have we built more right. have we built more council houses than we've demolished? yeah yeah yeah. >> no no no no no. look the sale of council houses for those people that can buy their council houses was a wonderful thing. >> it was a great idea. but the legislation said you had to replace them one for one. and it didn't happen. the heseltine and peter legislation, peter walker legislation, and it didn't and didn't actually happen. and still mad situation still there's this mad situation where a local authority where if a local authority builds right. builds a council house, right. and then it has to sell it within after three years of some family living there, it then has to give a 5/6 of the money from the sale back to the treasury. i know, i know, so i, i do. i really sympathise with local council leaders and i know many that i converse with me. i wrote about them in my book home truths. they want to build council houses, but it just doesn't make any sense because they're to have sell doesn't make any sense because they'ron to have sell doesn't make any sense because they'ron immediately sell doesn't make any sense because they'ron immediately andzll doesn't make any sense because they'ron immediately and it's not them on immediately and it's not as if they can keep the to as if they can keep the money to build more, or the treasury rules ever grasping censor rules that ever grasping censor the whitehall. they the treasury, whitehall. they want back, want 5/6 of the money back, a complete, complete rethink.

>> we ran a feature night >> we ran a feature last night on town up in on bakewell market town up in derbyshire, last bank about derbyshire, the last bank about to is the usual problem. to close is the usual problem. liam. nice the cup of tea as liam. nice for the cup of tea as well. yeah, well, it was well. yeah yeah, well, it was adam our correspondent well. yeah yeah, well, it was ada|there. our correspondent well. yeah yeah, well, it was ada|there. it our correspondent well. yeah yeah, well, it was ada|there. it was r correspondent well. yeah yeah, well, it was ada|there. it was quiteespondent well. yeah yeah, well, it was ada|there. it was quite amusingt was there. it was quite amusing but i again the small but i mean again the small business, the market trader, he's taking five as antennas. he's now got a 25 minute drive to bank his cash. all of that stuff . another bombshell today stuff. another bombshell today from . from lloyds. >> indeed. that bakewell story . >> indeed. that bakewell story. it shows that a big kind of banking desert, if you like, up there in a beautiful part of the country. it's indicative of branches closing high streets being hollowed out, not just in towns , many as well. towns, but many cities as well. and i think maybe under the cover of that natwest announcement up in bakewell, knowing that we're all talking about natwest and bakewell, i think has slipped out the think lloyds has slipped out the news that, oh, we're going to lay off 1600 people as well in our branch network because we're closing branches, closing lots of branches, ten years nigel, 2012. years ago, nigel, 2020 2012. there were 14,000 branches locally of banks and building societies. how many now ? just

societies. how many now? just over 8000. a 40% drop. absolutely massive . lloyds in absolutely massive. lloyds in their defence, they say that for their defence, they say that for the 1600 jobs they're losing, they're creating 800 more. it's a net loss of 800. but those 800, they'll be kind of tech bro vibe jobs, little moustaches , vibe jobs, little moustaches, funny shoes, working from home. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> white, white flat white lattes in shoreditch. you know the places you hang the places you don't hang out. and the little local and it will be the little local part time jobs for families in banking branches. the convenience of keeping local communities together through the banks country. banks across the country. they're ones that will lose they're the ones that will lose their jobs. yes, we're they're the ones that will lose theirjobs. yes, we're losing their jobs. so yes, we're losing only 800 jobs from lloyds. but i think for me we're losing a lot more than that. >> yeah. and as you say, the impact on local communities. yeah, i mean it well as you know, the whole banking issue is something been you something that i've been you should at it sometimes should look at it sometimes i know one day get involved should look at it sometimes i know your one day get involved should look at it sometimes i know your situation. get involved about your situation. >> country needs know. >> the country needs to know. >> the country needs to know. >> thought on >> one last quick thought on this. is a solution to this. there is a solution to this. there is a solution to this. it's the hub. it's the banking hub. yeah. you know, it's a small office in a high

street there's a couple of street where there's a couple of tellers can withdraw tellers and they can withdraw and cash and perform and pay in cash and perform bafic and pay in cash and perform basic banking services. as for the big four plus, know, the big four plus, you know, maybe the building maybe some of the building societies in societies as well. and yet in total, there's about 2 or 3 dozen around the country. >> know what >> do you know what a reluctance. don't think the reluctance. i don't think the banking industry actually wants to it, because well as to do it, because as well as as well as well saving money well as as well as saving money on staff costs, when you diminish the branch network, even though if you a banking even though if you get a banking licence, you've legal licence, you've got a legal obugafion licence, you've got a legal obligation to provide banking services, that all seems to go by the wayside. the big banks , by the wayside. the big banks, they want save the money from they want to save the money from they want to save the money from the local banks. they the staff of local banks. they want sell off the property want to sell off the property and make money from that. but do want to sell off the property and ireally�*noney from that. but do want to sell off the property and ireally wanty from that. but do want to sell off the property and ireally want physical at. but do they really want physical banking? don't they want entirely banking? entirely internet banking? they can. can sell slash rent can. they can sell slash rent the data to the chinese. otherwise they got all those cash handling costs because the hubs work, because the hubs would work, because the hubs would work, because the hubs work would keep hubs would work and would keep cash yeah. and i've cash flowing. yeah. and i've said before for, you know, said it before for, you know, you and i have been, you know, hauled over the coals the hauled over the coals by the headmaster, haven't we, for stressing we want keep stressing that we want to keep

cash though quarter of a cash even though quarter of a million gb news viewers and listeners that we were listeners said that we were right, the chancellor said we were we gave him were right when we gave him a position in downing the position in downing street, the prime minister said we were right house of commons right at the house of commons despatch don't despatch box. but i don't believe big banks future believe the big banks future business model much business model involves much cash, ordinary cash, however much ordinary people need cash . people want and need cash. >> sadly i agree liam, great to see you in a moment. the leading eu politician, a former colleague of mine from the european parliament, calling european parliament, now calling for the european union to have its own nuclear deterrent . now, its own nuclear deterrent. now, i'm not making it up. all of that in a couple of

beautiful still. you get beauty earlier on gb news radio . earlier on gb news radio. i mentioned a couple of weeks ago that donald trump's rise , the that donald trump's rise, the inevitability of him being the republican candidate, the increasing likelihood, if you believe the polls that he's going to become the 47th president of the usa, was being used increasingly by european politicians as a means of trying

to develop their long held dream , or some would say, fantasy of a european army. >> the argument goes trump will leave nato . therefore europe leave nato. therefore europe needs to do this stuff for itself. now, folks, there is no evidence of that whatsoever. all he ever did when he was president last time round is condemn 25 nato members for not paying condemn 25 nato members for not paying the basic membership fee, but fast out of the blocks today came manfred weber, a former colleague of mine from the european parliament. he's the leader of the centre right epp group. they're the biggest political grouping across the european union. he was to talking politico and he was talking politico and he was talking about european nuclear defences. the fact that nato relies heavily on us nuclear warheads . and he has said europe warheads. and he has said europe must build deterrence . we must must build deterrence. we must be able to deter and defend ourselves . so it isn't just an ourselves. so it isn't just an active army, air force and navy. the european union now wants .

the european union now wants. they now want their own nuclear weapons. this strikes me as being mad. strikes me as being really rather dangerous to do. well, joining me to discuss this is hamish de bretton—gordon , is hamish de bretton—gordon, former commanding officer of the uk's joint chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear regiment and of course, a former army officer . hamish, we've seen army officer. hamish, we've seen army officer. hamish, we've seen a little bit of this before, haven't we? you know, america's going to go . america won't be going to go. america won't be our friend anymore . we need to our friend anymore. we need to have stronger defence. his at a european level. but this is a step that i've never heard before . before. >> good evening. nigel yeah. good evening. it's bonkers . i good evening. it's bonkers. i mean, it's absolute madness . mean, it's absolute madness. it's the last thing we need at the moment is more nuclear proliferation. we've seen a lot of the instability in the world at the moment is because the iranians are getting hold of nuclear weapons, and the north koreans of koreans are getting hold of nuclear weapons. the thought nuclear weapons. so the thought of another country and when it comes to deterrence, you know, i

don't agree with you that the americans are going to let us down. i, i was with a bunch of american military people in london today, and we actually discussed this, and they were they distraught , thought they were distraught, thought that they thought that we or the europeans thought that they wouldn't, you know, if there was to be a war, a conflict with russia , they wouldn't russia, they wouldn't get involved. park that for involved. so if we park that for a moment, if you look at, you know, ourselves and the french who key nuclear who are the two key nuclear nafions who are the two key nuclear nations , putin knows that there nations, putin knows that there are enough nuclear weapons that britain and france holds to completely eradicate russia. anyway, the fact that nuclear weapons have kept the peace for the last 75 years is because the russians ourselves and the french and the americans have parity. so to get a new kid on the block is crazy. and nato , the block is crazy. and nato, nonh the block is crazy. and nato, north atlantic treaty organisation , um, it was there. organisation, um, it was there. it was designed after the second world war to keep the peace in

europe and prevent russian expansion . dawn neesom now the expansion. dawn neesom now the russians are heading west. and which is why , absolutely which is why, absolutely essential we ensure ukraine prevails. but having an eu nuke in the in the in the pot, as it were, would make things dramatically worse rather than better. >> yeah, you mentioned ukraine there. hamish. i've been hearing politicians say ukraine is going to win . ukraine must win. seems to win. ukraine must win. seems to win. ukraine must win. seems to be the whole thing is a total stalemate that's going to go on for many years. >> well, i, uh, let's let's hope it doesn't. >> and that's certainly , uh, i >> and that's certainly, uh, i think the desire of everybody in europe and the us, the critical thing is that we keep supplying ukraine with the ammunition it needs and the weapons it needs. um, true, at the moment there is things are in some sort of stalemate, but but i think there are a few glimmers on the honzon are a few glimmers on the horizon that, uh , ukraine now horizon that, uh, ukraine now has , has maritime superiority . has, has maritime superiority. the black sea fleet has disappeared . that's key from, disappeared. that's key from,

uh, from , um, the air uk is uh, from, um, the air uk is getting air superiority is getting air superiority is getting f—16s arriving soon. and in order for them to enable their ground manoeuvre warfare, they're tanks and their infantry fighting vehicles to break through the russian lines. they need they need that air superiority. so, so things are happening. we know the russians are really struggling . they've are really struggling. they've lost hundreds of thousands of young men, and it's only young russian men and pretty much those have come from the ethnic areas that are put into the fight. so yeah, as long as we keep supporting ukraine and giving them what they require, i'm sure that they will prevail. but but, you know, 30 trying to get the eu to have some nuclear weapons will not add to that fight in any way. no >> hamish, thank you as ever for coming on and discussing these very important issues with us. thank you . well, we'll see where thank you. well, we'll see where the hamish is. right on ukraine. i mean, you know, we can give kit to ukraine, but if we've got

no stocks of our own in an increasingly dangerous world, no stocks of our own in an increiwe'rer dangerous world, no stocks of our own in an increiwe're notngerous world, no stocks of our own in an increiwe're not inerous world, no stocks of our own in an increiwe're not inercvery'orld, no stocks of our own in an increiwe're not inercvery good well, we're not in a very good place, are we? now, what the place, are we? now, the what the farage moment. today farage moment. asda today announced now up to 80 of announced that now up to 80 of their petrol stations will be entirely cashless. in fact, they'll be personless. you'll just, you know, get your petrol and diesel and pay with a card machine. it's all part of the drive towards a cashless society. as i was discussing with liam halligan a few moments ago, yet ireland are going to put in law that shops, retailers must legally accept that cash as indeedis must legally accept that cash as indeed is the law in france today. so we don't have to move towards a cashless society . we towards a cashless society. we don't have to allow big bully boys like asda to drive us in this direction . we just need the this direction. we just need the british government to do what the irish government has done and the french government have done, and to say that actually consumers need to be able to exercise their own discretion if

they want to use cash, they can. it is legal tender. we want all these fine words that we had from the treasury. are we after we delivered your petition into number 11, what we'd now like is a little bit of action. joining me on talking pints in a moment is mark labbett, better known to you, perhaps, as the beast at. and, you know, you've got to say the chase is one of those programmes on television. one of those huge itv successes that keeps going and going. we're going to find out in a moment from mark, what does it take to be a professional quizzer on patrick christys tonight, 9 to 11 pm? >> what is so controversial about wanting british homes for british workers ? i'll be joined british workers? i'll be joined by the home office minister, james sunderland. and as it's revealed , a quarter of english revealed, a quarter of english youngsters are obese . are fat youngsters are obese. are fat kids victims of child abuse? plus, i ask ann widdecombe whether the police have blood on their hands for failing to stop nottingham. triple killer waldo carl heneghan patrick christys tonight, 9 to 11 pm. gb news be

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i >> right. listen in. concentrate before i introduce you to my talking pints guest, have a look at this clip of mark labbett . at this clip of mark labbett. and there he is. and he's doing his job. yes, he's doing his job on the chase. see how you can compete against him with these questions . questions. >> is andy bell and vince clarke made up? brazier? correct. liz lemon is a character in what us comedy series 30 rock. correct. what's the name of margaret thatcher's son, mark? what's the name of margaret thacorrect son, mark? what's the name of margaret thacorrect on, mark? what's the name of margaret thacorrect . wrestling is >> correct. wrestling is a variety of what fruit ? a grape, variety of what fruit? a grape, correct. what country was formerly known as northern rhodesia? >> um , zambia is correct. >> um, zambia is correct. >> um, zambia is correct. >> who was the first archbishop of canterbury ? of canterbury? >> uh, saint augustine, correct . >> uh, saint augustine, correct. >> uh, saint augustine, correct. >> basil the rat was the last episode of what sitcom? >> fawlty towers is correct. unbelievable .

unbelievable. >> and he joins me now live in the studio. mark loubet, welcome to talking pints. good evening. great something i've never done on live telly before. no. well, there's always first at gb there's always the first at gb news fresh from the. >> from the pub as well. >> fresh from the pub as well. that's nice. >> poured straight from pub, >> poured straight from the pub, brought can it brought across the road. can it be bad now? this programme, the chase, it gets amazing. consistent viewing figures people absolutely love it. it's an ambition for many people to be on it. yeah, and to have a go. and it's been going since 2009. what what makes it work ? 2009. what what makes it work? >> um, firstly, i've just lost my earpiece, so i'm checking you guys can hear me, but you can. good um, the format of the first thing, it's, um, it was a lucky accident originally. they went up the ladder and then turned round with dull as dishwater. but they made a last minute change. literally we, um, we've got an element of jeopardy. we've got. and i know i'm biased. the best game show host in the english speaking world

right now. and then most importantly, got me, of coui'se. >> course. >> no, no, no, you clearly, for those that don't know it, you know, the public. know, members of the public. come are tested on come on. there are tested on their general knowledge, but they're tested against you guys. yeah and you're the professionals. yeah and you're the prowell,�*|als. yeah and you're the prowell, 1als. know, yeah and you're the prowell,�*|als. know, we've become >> well, you know, we've become professionals . we all um, professionals. we all got, um, eminence in the world of quizzing. so national championships . uh, i, for championships. uh, i, for example, uh, captained wales and represented him a few times and is a former world ladies champion. so we've got that level of thing and that's the aim. it's four against one and we're there to literally provide a test. if somebody wins by playing well, well i don't like it. i go congratulate them, say well played. you've earned the money. well i don't want to do is feel i've given it away. >> yes, yes. now how did the competitive nature . in a moment. competitive nature. in a moment. what are the qualities? i mean clearly to clearly you've got to have a good memory. yeah, clearly you've to have, you know, you've got to have, you know, a reasonably quick mind. i mean, everyone gets all of that. what i want to know, mark labbett as as somebody that's done all

sorts quizzes and mastermind sorts of quizzes and mastermind and all the things you've done, um, over the years , he's doing um, over the years, he's doing it for a living. how do you practice? well i'm lucky because i claim i'm the natural that i pick up stuff by watching films, reading books , for example. reading books, for example. >> travelling on the tube is great because you clock what the new books out the new plays, etc. and i've got what i call a sticky memory. that ability to just drag it back in and use it. >> is that a photographic memory? well, an eidetic memory. >> there's some argument, whether exists, certainly whether it exists, but certainly when it was pretty when i was younger it was pretty close it. i mean, it's still close to it. i mean, it's still exceptional. um, i'm one of these people. if you put me in a room say 4 or room and they're say about 4 or 5 posters, then you ask me a minute later what was on the poster. there we go. that, that, that, that same time that, that, that same time you say the colour was. say what the colour scheme was. i able to tell you. i wouldn't be able to tell you. it just register with me it just doesn't register with me at be the world's worst at all. i'd be the world's worst interior decorator. >> now, you you're an >> now, you know, you're an academic. you know, ma, mathematics exeter mathematics at exeter university, all those things college, that

college, oxford. but i got that wrong. sorry. and you've got, college, oxford. but i got that wrorknow,'ry. and you've got, college, oxford. but i got that wrorknow, you've you've got, college, oxford. but i got that wrorknow, you've beenye got, college, oxford. but i got that wrorknow, you've been a got, college, oxford. but i got that wrorknow, you've been a supply you know, you've been a supply teacher. you've done all those things does bloke with things. how does a bloke with that background finish up working at butlins , started working at butlins, started working at butlins, started working at butlins . working at butlins. >> and i'll say it now i'm teasing you, but i know and i say it now. it was the best finishing education. a young man fresh out of oxford ever got. you got to learn quite a bit about life. i spent the summer working , um, as about life. i spent the summer working, um, as a about life. i spent the summer working , um, as a drayman , so working, um, as a drayman, so moving the beer barrels around, etc. which was good for a bit of physical fitness. and there they had these, um, trivia machines, which my personal piggy which were my personal piggy bank. so thank you very much. >> so you'd put some money in, play >> so you'd put some money in, play this game make money, play this game and make money, start week with £3 end start the week with £3 and end it with 200. it with about 200. >> so you'd found what you were really good and how really good at? yeah. and how many are lucky enough many people are lucky enough to find the job they were i you couldn't job for couldn't design a betterjob for me chase. it's got all me than the chase. it's got all the skill sets, the fast brain , the skill sets, the fast brain, good knowledge, bit of good knowledge, a bit of personality , and dare i say, i'm personality, and dare i say, i'm just of a wrestling heel just enough of a wrestling heel that people like me. you've just

got be enough to be the guy got to be enough to be the guy they hate. they love to hate. >> you did everything on the >> and you did everything on the way didn't you? yeah. you way there, didn't you? yeah. you appeared countdown did appeared on countdown and did all the and you did mastermind as which is an incredible as well, which is an incredible program, as well, which is an incredible pro oh,1, as well, which is an incredible pro oh, i've got and the problem >> oh, i've got and the problem with is, in fairness, >> oh, i've got and the problem wiyou're is, in fairness, >> oh, i've got and the problem wiyou're entirely is, in fairness, >> oh, i've got and the problem wiyou're entirely at in fairness, >> oh, i've got and the problem wiyou're entirely at the fairness, >> oh, i've got and the problem wiyou're entirely at the mercy;, is you're entirely at the mercy of the producers because it's the where you're not the one show where you're not competing against competing directly against anyone get your anyone else. you just get your own questions, they get theirs, and lucky enough to and if they're lucky enough to get questions than or get nicer questions than you or you harder ones, you just you get harder ones, you just got to smile and go, well played. >> yeah. now you're, you know what the chase. what you're doing in the chase. it and we mentioned this it is. and we mentioned this earlier. it is competitive. yeah. you know there is a battle between person coming between the person that's coming on the public. and on the member of the public. and you how competitive it you just how competitive does it get? >> well, let me put it this way. i'm renowned for even i'm renowned for not even letting beloved nieces at letting my beloved nieces win at snap. that's how competitive i am. but that's part of the thing is, is to test out the is, my job is to test out the people. there's a lot of my colleagues it last colleagues play it for last because their background in comedy, great. by comedy, etc, which is great. by them, it. job is to them, i see it. my job is to being the legitimate

competition. you want to beat me, earn it and me, you've got to earn it and you'll appreciate that. the respect is a rock hard currency and for me, when they look in horror , when i come round the horror, when i come round the corner, you can't put a price on that because you can't buy that reputation. you earn it. >> they're excited to be on the show, but they don't want to see you the number of times they just go, that is extraordinary . just go, that is extraordinary. there must have been times when you've it you've lost your temper doing it just little bit, just a little just a little bit, just a little bit. the stories that you might have punched a couple of walls backstage, you point being. well, no, no, you're a very but you are a competitive person. >> but how can i put it this way? it happens about once every 2 or 3 years, every time the producers come backstage and have to check in, i'm okay or whatever, they go, oh, that's fantastic . yeah. they give you fantastic. yeah. they give you a real attaboy because they're thinking it's great telly, because once in 2 or 3 years it's great telly. but is it every other week i've got anger management issues, and generally there's why . so they

management issues, and generally therat why . so they management issues, and generally therat least why . so they management issues, and generally therat least get why . so they management issues, and generally therat least get why,. so they management issues, and generally therat least get why, you they management issues, and generally therat least get why, you know, can at least get why, you know, i come from the rugby background or whatever that you might want to query the decision, you to query the decision, but you accept that's accept it. and sometimes that's my . my way of going. >> yeah okay. no no no. now you're on telly. yeah. and of course anybody course for anybody on telly, sorry, but in flipside i call my fouls . fouls. >> it's happened at least twice because of editing. i've actually game where i'd actually lost a game where i'd been the winner been announced the winner and i've been announced the winner and pve you been announced the winner and i've you check my i've said, can you check my answer? i said once answer? because i said once i said nightmare in elm street and was and time was accepted. and another time i said, russell. said said, dennis russell. he said a demis so they went demis roussos. so they went back, re—edited and redid it and i lost about. but it was the right thing to do. as professional. >> you want to play it straight, you've absolutely you've got it. >> only it's. yeah, >> it's only fair. it's. yeah, i'm just playing for ego. they're for cash they're playing for cash now. >> i on telly, >> you, as i say on telly, appean >> you, as i say on telly, appear. science is important. so let's have at a picture let's have a look at a picture of in 2019, which we're of you in 2019, which we're going to put our screen right going to put on our screen right now. there are, big lad. now. there you are, big lad. yeah. have a look at you, yeah. let's have a look at you, mark. in october 2023. well i mean you look about half the size. what have you done?

>> um, i've just got weighed. >> um, i've just got weighed. >> i'm 19.5 stone, so >> um, i've just got weighed. >> i'm19.5 stone, so bmi 31. uh, my heaviest, i was 29 stone. i've mainly been at 26, 27 stone combination of several things. walking the dog. that's always good looking after my boy during pandemic. i've got nothing but respect for people who look after little children and why you should have kids in your 30s, not your 50s. um, i had something which may or may not have been covid a couple of times, and one of them just suppressed my appetite and it never back. really even never came back. really even that i now have pub that i now have standard pub meals and often don't finish meals and i often don't finish the those know the chips, which those who know me going so there's no me will be going so there's no ozempic that drama? no, i can have that if i want it. >> right. but you don't need any of that. >> well, if i keep going down the way i do and, um, like i said, bmi 31, if i can get the bmi under 30, i know my agent is salivating at then using me as a poster the poster boy for one of the dietary companies. >> yeah, yeah, you've done >> yeah, yeah, well, you've done amazing. well, mark amazing. well, and mark the chase, people get on the chase, how do people get on the chase, how do people get on the chase if they want to come and

do battle with you? what what do they do battle with you? what what do the well, firstly, if you're >> well, firstly, if you're a celebrity, i turn around and ask, you, would you like to be on the chase and get your agent to producer a call? i'd to give my producer a call? i'd love have a go. it's most love to have a go. it's most interesting they put you up interesting if they put you up against anyway, digress, against it. anyway, i digress, right, a regular right, if you're a regular member, you're right, we'll member, if you're right, we'll hold you're hold you to that. if you're a regular member of the public, it's easy as just applying it's as easy as just applying to, um, itv.com. and there's a page to apply to the chase. there's form there's an application form i would advise people do would strongly advise people do the following one. don't would strongly advise people do the because g one. don't would strongly advise people do the because g catch e. don't would strongly advise people do the because g catch you>n't would strongly advise people do the because g catch you out lie because we'll catch you out on so secondly, your on it. so secondly, your personality is more important than school. we're every than your school. we're in every person's love the fact person's show. we love the fact we people on 18. we've we've we are people on 18. we've we've had who 86 had someone on today who was 86 years unlike a lot of years old. and unlike a lot of shows, we love them on, shows, we love having them on, i'll you. but have a funny i'll tell you. but have a funny story to tell about yourself. something that's interesting for brad. to crack brad. you want to have a crack itv.com mark, thank you ever so much joining much for joining me. >> pleasure. you out >> my pleasure. are you out drunk? cheers and you know drunk? me? cheers and you know what? i'm going to have a go at this. i'm going to do a celebrity chase. i'll do it against mark. see

against mark. we'll see who wins. he let's have wins. i bet he does. let's have a look at the weather. >> looks like things are heating up. sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news . weather on gb news. >> alex deakin here with your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. good evening. after a fairly cloudy but mild thursday, friday looks much brighter with most of us seeing some sunny spells, a couple of weather fronts to swing across the country though. tonight this one's already bringing cloud and rain to parts of northern england and wales, and this one will bring a band of quite heavy rain that will zip scotland and northern zip across scotland and northern england. this england. northern ireland this evening and the gusts will suddenly pick up as that rain band moves across , and it will band moves across, and it will then spread across of then spread across most of england wales from west to england and wales from west to east. we'll all see some rain east. so we'll all see some rain through night. but tending east. so we'll all see some rain th|become night. but tending east. so we'll all see some rain th|become dryght. but tending east. so we'll all see some rain th|become dry for but tending east. so we'll all see some rain th|become dry for most :ending east. so we'll all see some rain th|become dry for most byjing east. so we'll all see some rain th|become dry for most by dawn, to become dry for most by dawn, turning cold across turning quite cold across northern scotland. some icy conditions the conditions possible here and the showers wintry. some showers will turn wintry. some snow on the higher routes for sure the night. and sure through the night. and first thing in the morning. elsewhere, though, it's a bright and of day. some

and breezy kind of day. some early of kent early rain, of course, kent should be gone by sunrise and then generally, as i said, a fine more sunshine than fine day with more sunshine than today. showers will continue to come parts come into western parts of scotland and temperatures will be lower than today. won't be as mild, but these numbers pretty close for the close to the average for the time of year. turning a bit cold on friday night in the south. some pockets of possible some pockets of frost possible on outbreaks of on saturday again, outbreaks of rain across the northwest of scotland . quite windy here on to scotland. quite windy here on to saturday the breeze picking up elsewhere the a bit elsewhere in the west. a bit more cloud, perhaps on saturday, but for it looks but still, for most it looks largely bright and largely dry and bright and temperatures up to 9 or 10 c. goodbye >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar for sponsors of weather on

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