just justice not january, just justice not served. >> sir keir starmer backs calls for an inquiry into any failings that led to the nottingham attacks. this comes as the attorney general considers whether judges should review the sentence psychotic killer sentence of the psychotic killer . valdo calocane . . valdo calocane. >> tories in trouble as a gb news poll finds support for sunaks party at just 20. we speak to the conservative party chairman on his election game plan. >> yes. can they turn things around? and accused of genocide? the international court of justice could issue emergency measures this afternoon, asking israel to halt its military operations in gaza. that's as south africa takes the only democracy in the middle east to court. it >> klopp out in shock news, jurgen klopp has announced that he will leave liverpool at the end of the current season after nine years in english football. he says he's running out of energy after winning the premier league champions league, the fa cup, the carabao cup. what does

this mean for the club? those the outcome of yesterday's judgement in the nottingham crown court. i think , has crown court. i think, has reverberated not just across the country but clearly across westminster. two with interventions now from the leader of the opposition and from the attorney general as well . all huge questions of this well. all huge questions of this case, i must say, keir starmer is just lending his support. >> he's backing calls for an inquiry. he didn't initially, um, call for the inquiry. he wasn't the first person to call for an inquiry. are you saying keir starmer is the kind of politician who waits to see which the wind blowing which way the wind is blowing before decision? well, before making a decision? well, i wouldn't go so far as to say that i would never i would never impugn of such a impugn the integrity of such a principled we're principled man. um, but we're going speaking to a lawyer going to be speaking to a lawyer , um, about why there was

diminished responsibility in this case and why that was taken so seriously when it came to the outcome. we're also going to be talking to a psychiatrist as well to find out what's going in that respect. it could it have been that this man should have been that this man should have beenin been that this man should have been in some kind of asylum of sorts? that's very, uh , a bit of sorts? that's very, uh, a bit of a controversial thing , isn't it? a controversial thing, isn't it? >> yes, a sign could there have been earlier moments for intervention a health intervention, whether a health care or a criminal justice care route or a criminal justice route, but also, frankly, why man slaughter and not murder ? man slaughter and not murder? that's the question the families want to know. and perhaps we'll get into that a little bit more deeply in the next couple of minutes. but before all of that, it's your headlines with sofia. it is . thanks tom. it is. thanks tom. >> good afternoon. it's 12:02. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb news room . some breaking news.

news room. some breaking news. maritime security officials have reported hearing missiles and an explosions near an oil tanker in the gulf of aden at the entrance of the red sea security company ombra in the uk maritime trade operations centre. say an indian affiliated oil tanker was involved in the incident off the coast of yemen. it comes after prime minister rishi sunak warned this week that more airstrikes on houthi rebels will be if attacks continue on commercial ships. the foreign secretary says progress is being made towards securing the release of hostages held by the hamas terror group . lord cameron hamas terror group. lord cameron is also working to get more aid into gaza, with israel said to be considering a british proposal to open its ashdod port, one of its three main cargo points . speaking in turkey cargo points. speaking in turkey after a middle east tour, lord cameron said a sustainable ceasefire is possible. >> the prospects of achieving a pause we stop the fighting pause where we stop the fighting and start looking at how to get aid in and hostages out . and start looking at how to get aid in and hostages out. i think there is a prospect of that and

i there to be prospect of i want there to be a prospect of that of course, a pause that because, of course, a pause would be great for hostages, for good aid, we might be able good aid, and we might be able to turn that into the sustainable ceasefire that we want without a return to fighting. i've been fighting. that's what i've been in talking about, and in the region talking about, and i we are making some progress. >> and jurgen klopp is stepping down as liverpool manager at the end of the season. the 56 year old announced his decision with his side top of the league and said already informed the said he already informed the club november. liverpool said he already informed the club november . liverpool have club in november. liverpool have won every major honour since the german charge in 2015. he german took charge in 2015. he won six trophies with the reds, including the premier league title in 2020, their first win in years and the champions in 30 years and the champions league trophy just a year before . speaking after the shock announcement , he . speaking after the shock announcement, he said he . speaking after the shock announcement , he said he wants announcement, he said he wants to take a break and live a normal life, ending up as the manager of liverpool fc normal life, ending up as the manager of liverpool ec is a, is a is a fairy tale and a very difficult thing to plan. >> i would say impossible to plan and difficult to reach, but it's only possible if you are

very busy and 100,000% committed to everything you do when you dedicate your whole life to it, and that's what i did. i am still a normal guy. i just don't live a normal life for too long now , and i don't want to wait now, and i don't want to wait until i'm too old for having a normal life . normal life. >> jurgen klopp speaking there now the attorney general will consider reviewing the sentence of nottingham triple killer valdo calocane after receiving a complaint that it could be too lenient. he was given a hospital order yesterday and will likely spend the rest of his life in a high security clinic. he was found to be suffering from a severe mental illness when he killed three people with a knife before attempting to kill three others. stopped taking others. he'd stopped taking prescribed medication and could hear voices in his head. he'd also visited london's m15 headquarters to ask them to stop controlling him. three psychiatrists agreed that a hospital order would be the best course of action. a prisoner in

the us state of alabama has become the first person to be executed with nitrogen gas . executed with nitrogen gas. kenneth smith was convicted of murder in 1988 and had already survived a lethal injection, with officials struggling to insert the needles into his body, he human rights group and the united nations had tried to prevent the execution, claiming the method was risky and cruel. in his final statement, he said alabama had caused humanity to take a step backwards . there are take a step backwards. there are no obvious alternatives to replace rishi sunak as prime minister. that's according to a new poll. ipsos uk found that 42% of those who voted for the tories in 2019 have a favourable view of mr sunak. former prime minister boris johnson scored slightly more with 43. however, his unfavorability was higher than the current prime minister. it comes amid claims of a plot to oust rishi sunak before the next election, after former cabinet minister sir simon clarke called on him to resign earlier this week and the king

has been admitted to a london hospital for treatment for an enlarged prostate. buckingham palace says his majesty is delighted to learn that his diagnosis is having a positive impact on public health awareness. the king is also understood to have visited the princess of wales, who is recovering from abdominal surgery. a statement from buckingham palace thanked all of those given their good those who've given their good wishes week . this wishes over the past week. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car , on your digital in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to tom and . emily. back to tom and. emily. >> well, the international court of justice is delivering now an interim ruling in south africa's genocide case against israel. >> yes, south africa says that israel's response to the 7th of october attacks is in breach of the un's genocide convention. the hague based court could order israel to stop its

military offensive, but it's unlikely to be able to enforce any such ruling. >> so joining us now is gb news security editor mark white. mark, can you tell us exactly what is the court here ruling on? >> well , well, it's on? >> well, well, it's ruling on a case that was brought by the south african government, the government of south africa , government of south africa, claiming that that operation in gaza to go after hamas is actually a genocide and that is being committed against the palestinian people in gaza by israel. something, of course, the israeli government. absolutely vehemently denies in the case that we heard prior to this, judge that that is being handed down, or at least an interim ruling. we heard the south african say that, you know, the statements , this know, the statements, this bellicose language coming from very senior israeli government

officials in the run up and dunng officials in the run up and during the time of this conflict in gaza, as well as the actual actions in bombing areas where civilians are in gaza, amounted to genocide , the israelis have to genocide, the israelis have said in their defence that they go out of their way to ensure that the civilian population are are out of harm's way. they that the civilian population are are out of harm's way . they do, are out of harm's way. they do, they say, more than any other military in the world, dropping leaflets to inform people of impending military action, calling them up, uh, creating long civilian corridors for people to head out of harm's way. so what we'll hear now, it could take about half an hour or so for the international court of justice to hand down their decision here is really whether there will be any sort of interim provisional orders by this court if they decide that

there is theoretically here a case to answer for israel on the claims being made by the south africans, then they would take it forward to a more substantive heanng it forward to a more substantive hearing that would actually run into years , uh, before any into years, uh, before any conclusion often is reached on whether israel would be, uh, guilty or not of genocide . but guilty or not of genocide. but in the interim, what south africa is calling for is a ruling by this court, uh, for a cessation of the activities the war in gaza . and while that war in gaza. and while that would not be, um, enforceable, really , if israel decided it was really, if israel decided it was going to ignore the ruling of the court, it would certainly, uh, pile a lot of international political pressure on israel to abide by the ruling of this court . court. >> mark, isn't that the point, though? this court has no teeth. it can't really enforce its rulings. in fact, there are many countries around the world that

in recent years have expressly rejected the rulings of this court. how much pressure would it actually apply to israel ? it actually apply to israel? >> yeah, i mean, that's a good point. it it's different in its scope to the international criminal court. we know about you know, where we've seen, uh, war criminals from the former yugoslavia brought before that tried and jailed. this has no , tried and jailed. this has no, um, authority to do that . it's um, authority to do that. it's set up really to try to look into the and issue rulings and try to settle disputes between nafion try to settle disputes between nation states . so there wouldn't nation states. so there wouldn't be any individuals that would be found culpable at the end of this process . but a nation this process. but a nation potentially , uh, israel could be potentially, uh, israel could be um, but it does carry weight in the international community. it is the united nations highest court, and there is no doubt that if there is a ruling that says there is a potential case

to answer here for israel , and to answer here for israel, and that in the interim, israel should immediately cease its military actions in gaza, that for many in the international community would be enough to continue, uh, or or even step up their pressure on israel , uh, to their pressure on israel, uh, to call a halt to the activity in israel, in gaza . israel, in gaza. >> and mark, just very quickly, while we've got you, why do you suppose this is south africa that this is coming from? >> well, if you ask israel, they'll say that there been they'll say that there has been over the years, quite a bit of animosity from the south african government towards israel in the years after , um, nelson years after, um, nelson mandela's presidency. there was a lurch from the south african government ever closer to the cause of the palestinian people. there are historical ties , uh, there are historical ties, uh, between the plo, the palestinian liberation organisation and the anc , the african national

anc, the african national congress . yes. so, um, you know, congress. yes. so, um, you know, there's a lot of politics at play there's a lot of politics at play here. uh, so that the israelis say from their point of view adds to their case that actually this is a politically motivated case that is being brought by south africa and has no basis in the facts on the ground , which is them. they say , ground, which is them. they say, responding to an atrocity on the 7th of october and trying to do their level best to go after the terrorists that perpetrated this. well mark, while this judgement, it does seem this judgement, it does seem this judgement is taking an awful long time to be read out. >> we'll be back with you when we know this interim ruling and what has been decided . but for what has been decided. but for now, thank you very much . now, thank you very much. >> thank you. now, the attorney general is to consider reviewing the sentence of valdo calocane after victims families claimed justice has not been served. >> the 32 year old fatally

stabbed nottingham students barnaby webber, grace kumar uh, before killing school caretaker ian coates last june. speaking after the sentencing, barnaby's mum emma questioned why he was roaming the streets in the first place. >> you have blood on your hands. if you had just done your jobs properly. there's a very good chance my beautiful boy would be alive today. there is so much more to say and clearly serious questions regarding this case and events leading up to this monster being out in society. but for today, our darling son, his dear friend grace and a wonderfully kind grandfather, ian , have been stolen from us ian, have been stolen from us forever and let down by the very system that should have been protecting them. okay, well , protecting them. okay, well, joining us now is the barrister, rebecca butler, to speak to us about why the triple killer was was on our streets . was on our streets. >> rebecca, clearly the families

of the victims here believe very strongly that justice was not served. we're hearing calls for a public inquiry into various presumed failures in the police force, in the justice system, and also with the nhs. maybe you can tell us firstly what exactly is diminished responsibility in cases like this due to mental health, due to mental health condition in. >> okay, so, uh, under common law systems in order to be convicted of the offence of murder, you have to be of sound mind and the intention is directed at either killing somebody or committing gbh because of the unique nature of murder. i stress you have to be of sound mind in order to commit murder. we have what are known as three partial defence is to murder. now those include diminished responsibility , diminished responsibility, slightly diminished

responsibility is a permanent medical state of mind. which means that you effectively do not have the requisite ability to have intention to commit murder or gbh. do finished responsibility cannot just be brought up by a defendant. it has to be, um, ascertained . by has to be, um, ascertained. by at least two, if not three, psychiatric reports confirming that the defendant does have have this altered state of mind . have this altered state of mind. in this case, there is sufficient evidence that is already in the public domain that this particular defendant was, in fact, a paranoid schizophrenic. he had a long psychiatric history. he he, uh, has known to have committed other sort of, um, offences that were not pursued by the police . were not pursued by the police. he was also known to have been under the mental health services. so the fact that he has pleaded to manslaughter on

the grounds of diminished responsibility, he should actually come as no surprise to the jurists and to the politicians who have been watching this case with, with any interest at all. >> it seems very peculiar to the families that they have been shut out from a lot of this process, that they were only told about what had been decided, what had been pleaded relatively late in the day, after many of these decisions had already been taken, could there have been greater tour? uh, bring in of the process? could there have been a greater alignment of those families with the case that affected their loved ones ? were there failings loved ones? were there failings there in the conversations that were had leading up to this case? >>i case? >> i think that's a hard one to answer because what the prosecution and the defence would say is that they actually have to do their jobs first and their job have to do their jobs first and theirjob in this case

have to do their jobs first and their job in this case was to obtain, as i say , two, if not obtain, as i say, two, if not three, psychiatric reports. and so those psychiatric reports are not those are not quick things to do. and it would have been wrong to tell the grieving relatives, um, news that, you know, there was some uncertainty about where the plea was going . about where the plea was going. but i think it is really important to say that there should be no rush to change the law in this area, that the law is robust. what actually, the families are really complaining about. and this is the absolute deflection . is that it yet again deflection. is that it yet again , the mental health services and the police that have let the pubuc the police that have let the public down because because he was a known non violent, paranoid schizophrenic. and if you read the articles about this, it is clear that the nottinghamshire community mental health trust do charged him not

because they'd assessed him to because they'd assessed him to be better or well, but they discharged him back to the care of his gp because he wasn't in touch with them. and anybody, anybody who knows anything about treating community mental health patients , is that one of the patients, is that one of the biggest problems is they disengage and they stop taking their medication . when the their medication. when the police went into his property, they found months of unused medication. and so yet again, this is a community health trust thatis this is a community health trust that is going to tell us that lessons will be learned. and i'm afraid lessons are not being learnt. this man was a known violent schizophrenic. the community health service should never have discharged him through disengagement. >> well, you're absolutely spot on. this is the question many people are asking while why was a known mentally ill, violent person out in the community,

what do you think should be done with people who are known to be violent and also known to be suffering from very serious mental health conditions ? should mental health conditions? should they be allowed to live in the community? >> well , of course there community? >> well, of course there are. there is a massive spectrum that you're talking about and the days of putting people into psychiatric hospitals are that's 30 years ago . but what i think 30 years ago. but what i think should be done in this case is firstly , we there should be self firstly, we there should be self referral of the psychiatry lists and the registered nurses who were charged with this man's case in the community health care trust. they should self refer to their regulators to ask the question, did i do everything that i am professionally required to do under my code of conduct? the second thing is sorry. oh sorry. >> i just wanted to clarify. so you wouldn't want to see the

return of, uh, psychiatric hospitals or asylums to keep these people in. >> yeah. so we haven't used that terminology for a very long time, but of course , in some time, but of course, in some cases , uh, the being sectioned , cases, uh, the being sectioned, as it's known under the mental health act does provide for people to go into forensic psychiatric units. and this chap did actually , uh, he was did actually, uh, he was actually an inpatient for a penod actually an inpatient for a period of time. the problem is the discharge provisions and the community health trust has said that, you know, we have this overall mission statement that people live their best life in their home, of their choosing . their home, of their choosing. and this man is patent obvious, not suitable to go back into the community without regular community without regular community mental health trust, uh, supervision in the fact that somebody stops engaging is the biggest red flag going up. it is certainly not a reason to say, oh, well, he obviously doesn't want us anymore. so, you know ,

want us anymore. so, you know, cheerio. off you go back to your gp because it doesn't help the gp because it doesn't help the gp either. which is why i'm saying they should be contacting their regular rotas and the police should be contacted . police should be contacted. their iopc to self—refer on this . what more could they have done? and certainly i would expect to see the regulators involved saying you need to do better. >> big questions for any inquiry. if it does take place. but for now, barrister rebecca butler, thank you so much for talking through the case and precisely some of those more confusing elements of it that we were hearing about yesterday . were hearing about yesterday. >> yes, as always, many, many questions to answer. but coming up, an exclusive with the chairman of the conservative party we'll be asking him about that. uh shocking polling, 20. this is good afternoon, britain on .

the camilla tominey show sunday mornings from 930 on gb news. >> good afternoon britain it's 12:26 and it's the last friday of the month for millions of us, that means it's payday. wahoo >> but some of you might have noficed >> but some of you might have noticed a little bit more money. well, that's not a but that's a that's a that's a and on that pay that's a that's a and on that pay check with the chancellor's national insurance rate cut announcements coming into action, have you noticed that

little bit of extra cash? probably not. well how much is it and what does it mean for us? >> we're delighted to be joined by gb news business and economics editor, liam halligan with on money . liam , is economics editor, liam halligan with on money. liam , is this with on the money. liam, is this a significant cut ? will people a significant cut? will people feel that they've got more cash this month compared to last month ? month? >> i think they will. these are national insurance cuts that were announced in the autumn statement by chancellor jeremy hunt. the tories are tactically bringing them in now to ease household bills after christmas, not waiting as they ordinarily would for the beginning of the next tax year. that's in april. and of course , we'll have and of course, we'll have another budget in march . the another budget in march. the general thread of what the tories are trying to do is to get a series of tax cuts in place . so as inflation hopefully place. so as inflation hopefully fingers and toes crossed, keeps coming down, interest rates come down, they can generate a kind

of economic feelgood factor in time for the next general election this autumn . don't election this autumn. don't laugh. that's is there strategy. and for now it seems that they're sticking to it. so let's have a look at these national insurance increases. i've got a little graphic here. tom and emily. it wouldn't be the same without graphic would it. in without a graphic would it. in an money slot. so an on the money slot. so national that's paid national insurance that's paid by earning over £12,570 by those earning over £12,570 a year. by those earning over £12,570 a year . if by those earning over £12,570 a year. if you're self—employed as many of us are these days, once you make annual profits over £6,725, you start paying national insurance once on your employee income. national insurance rates jeremy hunt's lowered it from 12% to 10. what does that mean ? it means the does that mean? it means the average employee on the average wage will save around £450 a yean wage will save around £450 a year, which isn't nothing. it's pretty chunky, better than a kick in the teeth. but there's an important proviso if you are one of those self—employed people, tom and emily, you're

going to have to wait until the new tax year. april until you start seeing those lower national insurance contributions. so pretty good news for a lot of us and the tories are trying to convey where that came from. there's a lot more to come in terms of tax cuts. we'll have to see. >> so about £40 extra this month. >> yeah. okay we're going to be talking to the hearing from the chairman of the conservative party. and do you think it's the case that these this budget coming up really is a the final roll of the dice last chance saloon for the conservatives to somehow , um, narrow that poll somehow, um, narrow that poll lead ? lead? >> i don't just think it's the last chance saloon for the conservative party in terms of can they contest it with labour in this election in upcoming in any meaningful sense , can they any meaningful sense, can they even begin to narrow that opinion poll lead that labour has? it's upward of 20 points, isn't it? on some estimates? i also think it's the last roll of

the dice, if you like, for rishi sunak himself, the combination of these two by elections on the 15th of february in kingsdown and in wellingborough , um, that and in wellingborough, um, that that plus the budget on the 6th of march, i think if there aren't tax cuts on the 6th of march, then a lot of the conservative party backbenchers will simply give letters to sir graham brady, letters of no confidence. he is the chairman of the 1922 committee and spark a vote. >> liam, we don't have a lot of time, leader. >> i just want it sounds crazy. it is crazy in the eyes of lots of people, but that's what a lot of people, but that's what a lot of tory backbenchers want to happen. i think if there are tax cuts in the budget, they won't just be. in terms of the headune just be. in terms of the headline rate of income tax going down from 20 maybe to £0.19, i know the conservative party, they've scrapped pretty much the idea of lowering inheritance tax because it doesn't actually apply to all that many households . and those that many households. and those it does are relatively well off. they're looking closely at

corporation tax, which of course, jeremy hunt himself raised from 19 to 25. there's a report out this weekend, liz truss's growth commission, the former prime minister, she's been trying to turn the dial . been trying to turn the dial. she's got a bunch of economists together. they are recommending that that corporation tax rise from 19 to 25% is immediately reversed, because they reckon they're actually we're actually getting tax revenue from getting less tax revenue from higher corporation tax because so many businesses, there's so many insolvencies, businesses going bust because that corporation tax rise pretty chunky has upset their bottom line. so it's all to play for on tax and the tories know that every lower tax move they make it's very hard for the labour party to oppose it. and the borrowing figures that came out recently for december show that the conservative chancellor, jeremy hunt, rishi sunak alongside him, it really will be alongside him, it really will be a double headed budget. a chancellor and a next chancellor. they've got about £20 billion of fiscal headroom to play with, so we wait and

see. >> well, thank you very much, liam halligan, our economics and business editor. there bringing us that on tax cuts, the potential for further tax cuts . potential for further tax cuts. i mean, the problem is for the conservatives, isn't it, tom, that uh, uh, the labour party, the shadow chancellor , or at the shadow chancellor, or at least rachel reeves, is very much no, no, we're much saying no, no, no, we're not to raise of not going to raise taxes. of course won't drawn on course they won't be drawn on what taxes may what particular taxes they may or may not raise, apart from the non—dom tax status. >> there's a big >> and then there's a big political question the tories political question if the tories cut taxes, labour back those cut taxes, do labour back those tax , or do then they have tax cuts, or do then they have to go into an election saying, no, we're going to raise those taxes up so there taxes back up again. so there could be political traps in store. but also we've an store. but also we've got an exclusive of exclusive with the chairman of the party, richard the conservative party, richard holden, just after the holden, coming up just after the news. and a little birdie tells me that he might have a hint on what some of those fiscal measures , or at least when some measures, or at least when some of those fiscal measures might be being made , don't go be being made, don't go anywhere. this is good afternoon, britain on . gb news.

afternoon, britain on. gb news. >> thanks, tom. it's 1233. afternoon, britain on. gb news. >> thanks, tom. it's1233. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . some breaking news. newsroom. some breaking news. the un's top court is in the process of delivering an interim ruling in south africa's genocide case against israel . genocide case against israel. these are live pictures of the international court of justice, which is deciding whether to issue emergency measures ordering israel to halt its operations in gaza. a ruling against israel is not enforceable by the court, and israel would almost certainly ignore it. but politically it's significant . significant. >> the court also takes note maritime security officials have reported hearing missiles and explosions near an oil tanker in the gulf of aden, at the entrance of the red sea security company, mbappe and the uk maritime trade operations centre , say an indian affiliated oil tanker was involved in the incident off the coast of yemen. >> it comes after prime minister rishi sunak warned this week that more airstrikes on houthi

rebels will take place if attacks on commercial ships continue . the the foreign continue. the the foreign secretary says progress is being made towards securing the release of hostages held by the hamas terror group. lord cameron is also working to get more aid into gaza, with israel said to be considered a british proposal to open its ashdod port, one of its three main cargo points . its three main cargo points. speaking in turkey after a middle east tour, lord cameron said a sustainable ceasefire is possible . and jurgen klopp is possible. and jurgen klopp is stepping down as liverpool manager at the end of the season . the 56 year old announced his decision with his side top of the league and said he already informed the club back in november. liverpool have won every major honour since the german took charge 2015. he german took charge in 2015. he won six trophies with the reds, including the premier league title in 2020, their win title in 2020, their first win in 30 years, and the champions league trophy year before . league trophy a year before. speaking after the shock announcement , he speaking after the shock announcement, he said he speaking after the shock announcement , he said he wants announcement, he said he wants to take a break and live a

normal life. the attorney general will consider reviewing the sentence of nottingham triple killer valdo calocane after receiving a complaint that it could be too lenient. he was given a hospital order yesterday and will likely spend the rest of his life in a high security clinic. he was found to be suffering from a severe mental illness when he killed three people with a knife before attempting to kill three others. he'd stopped taking prescribed medication could hear voices medication and could hear voices in head. he'd also visited in his head. he'd also visited london's m15 headquarters, asking them to stop control him. three psychiatrists agreed that a hospital order would be the best course of action, and you can get more on all those stories by visiting our website at gbnews.com .

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news news. >> eight it is 1239, coming up to 1240, and there were some shock polling on this channel last night and this morning showing that the conservatives are on 20 points, 20. >> just 1 in 5 voters would vote for the current party of government , a pretty government, a pretty extraordinary nadir , about as extraordinary nadir, about as low as to louisa may achieved in 2019. before she was swiftly replaced by boris johnson. >> yes, and the labour party. on

45 points. the reform party 12 or 13. well, our political edhon or 13. well, our political editor, he sat down with the chairman of the conservative party, richard holden . amid all party, richard holden. amid all this tory turmoil , key week for this tory turmoil, key week for the pm rishi sunak with sir simon clarke. >> the former cabinet minister, calling for him to stand down. with me now is richard holden, who's the party chairman, to put some sense on it. richard holden, today's a big day for the tory party. you're cutting taxes 2% off national insurance , taxes 2% off national insurance, but you're points behind in but you're 25 points behind in the . why isn't it working? the polls. why isn't it working? >> it's in polls all >> well, it's in the polls all over the place. chris, i saw one savanta putting over the place. chris, i saw one sav14ta putting over the place. chris, i saw one sav14 points putting over the place. chris, i saw one sav14 points behind. putting over the place. chris, i saw one sav14 points behind. s0)utting over the place. chris, i saw one sav14 points behind. so another his 14 points behind. so another one putting his well over 20 points behind . you're still points behind. you're still behind. yeah. well don't behind. well yeah. well i don't think there's any doubt about that. think the key thing is that. i think the key thing is though, what we're looking at at the is a situation where the moment is a situation where we've make really we've had to make some really difficult the difficult decisions over the last years in order to last few years in order to support people the covid support people during the covid pandemic, support pandemic, in order to support people energy crisis people during the energy crisis that we've seen following russia's illegal invasion of

ukraine. and what we're now on is a situation where we're coming out of that very tough penod coming out of that very tough period and we're able to outline our for the future. i our plans for the future. i think the actual tax cut, you mentioned the national insurance cut for working people is the start of that. we'll see more of that in march and more of it later in the year. as well. but we have that new direction of travel, which is clear. and i think it's quite it's quite understandable during understandable that during that penod understandable that during that period between polls, you know, between elections, move between elections, polls move around lot. i joined around an awful lot. i joined the conservative party when i was a teenager. i remember a few months later, william hague was a couple of points above tony blair in the polls. then we went to defeat. i remember to a crushing defeat. i remember 2017, when theresa was 26 2017, when theresa may was 26 points ahead in the election, was going to have a 400 seats and ended up losing and then ended up losing a majority. i remember six majority. i remember about six months before i was elected in 2019, the conservative party was going go. i can be wrong. is going to go. i can be wrong. is your point. no, no, it's your point. no, no, no, it's only a question being wrong only a question of being wrong so they move, they move so much as they move, they move and a lot and they can

and they move a lot and they can move quite rapidly. you know, i think as harold wilson said, a week's a long time in politics. well, seven, eight, well, you know, seven, eight, nine, be a long nine, ten months can be a long time. about it's crucially time. it's about it's crucially for people to see ahead of for people want to see ahead of an election real direction of an election a real direction of travel. have be very travel. and we have to be very clear plan and the clear about our plan and the policies putting forwards. policies we're putting forwards. and the differences us and the differences between us and signalling tax and keir starmer signalling tax cuts. >> i won't ask m- >> i won't ask you what they are, you're the chancellor, are, you're not the chancellor, but think do you worry but do you think do you worry that's where are. that's not where people are. they want improvements in public services. potholes fix. they want to be able to an want to be able to get an operation when want one. want to be able to get an opelation when want one. want to be able to get an opei think vhen want one. want to be able to get an opei think there's want one. want to be able to get an opei think there's a want one. want to be able to get an opei think there's a combination >> i think there's a combination of things. so i think on one side, people want to see is side, what people want to see is and that tax is the and they know that tax is the burden of taxes. in order to pay for that stuff, we've had for all of that stuff, we've had to over the last few years is how they want see come how they want to see tax come down. i think on the other side. but you're absolutely that but you're absolutely right that people see investment but you're absolutely right that pe public see investment but you're absolutely right that pe public services, see investment but you're absolutely right that pe public services, which vestment but you're absolutely right that pe public services, which vezwhy nt in public services, which is why we've got, you know, record numbers police officers. numbers of police officers. we've money into we've been putting money into that big hospital building programme. and actually for the nhs, programme. and actually for the n hs, workforce nhs, we've got that workforce plan, is, you know, for plan, which is, you know, for years, know, ever years, chris, you know, ever

since set up, we've since the nhs was set up, we've basically gone around world basically gone around the world and pilfered what we didn't train the uk with no long tum and pilfered what we didn't train forthe uk with no long tum and pilfered what we didn't train forthe lwe're1 no long tum and pilfered what we didn't train forthe lwe're goingyng tum and pilfered what we didn't train forthe lwe're going toi tum plan for how we're going to actually from the our actually grow from the uk, our own doctors and nurses. so i think actually there's some big long changes we're long terme changes that we're really and, and really pushing forwards and, and in place on. think in a good place on. i think though, that you're absolutely right got to be a dual right that it's got to be a dual approach of ensuring that is right that it's got to be a dual appcoming ensuring that is right that it's got to be a dual appcoming down.ing that is right that it's got to be a dual appcoming down. but:hat is right that it's got to be a dual appcoming down. but also is right that it's got to be a dual appcoming down. but also we're are coming down. but also we're investing in public services. >> people reform uk now the >> people reform uk is now the third party to the third party according to the polls. then eight points behind you people's poll you according to people's poll for overnight. if nigel for gb news overnight. if nigel farage and that farage takes over and leads that party, our colleague from gb news be level pegging news they could be level pegging with party i mean, do you with a tory party i mean, do you want him to join? first all, want him to join? first of all, nigel welcome to be nigel farage welcome to be a member. the pm says look polls bounce member. the pm says look polls b0lobviously know any >> obviously you know any application will be considered on merits, no then no. on its merits, but a no then no. it's definitely not. uh, polls bounce around and, um, i remember , you know, in the, in remember, you know, in the, in just in hartlepool , uh, you just in hartlepool, uh, you know, in 2019, um, my colleague down the road didn't get in because richard tice was

because, well, richard tice came third, right. um in that election and he cost the conservatives that seat. and, you know, i got a majority of 1100 inches north west durham, and it was pretty close to the brexit at that point . brexit party at that point. could have cost me my seat as well. it's and i don't quite well. and it's and i don't quite understand, know, i'm not understand, you know, i'm not quite sure where where the policies coming which at policies coming from which at the cost the the moment is basically cost the conservatives a majority. i've seen some those polling seen some of those polling numbers well, uh, put labour numbers as well, uh, put labour in, that doesn't seem in, i mean, that doesn't seem like, what a lot of people who might be considering a who to vote for moment . might be considering a who to vote for moment. um, but vote for at the moment. um, but they're voting for labour. they're not voting for labour. >> i want to see and just just yes or no . the pm rishi sunak yes or no. the pm rishi sunak will party in the next will lead your party in the next election. oh, absolutely. >> there's doubt about that. >> e- that. >> talk about war. e talk about war. i that. >> talk about war. i mean, >> let's talk about war. i mean, the there's war concern . will the there's war concern. will there be a will will people be asked to drafted to try and fight russians in eastern, fight the russians in eastern, eastern europe? that's coming from a general. um, there's from a top general. um, there's a concern nato have warned a concern that nato have warned of this would you of that this week. would you fight your country? fight for your country? >> absolutely. if it ever came to that, i certainly would . but

to that, i certainly would. but i just to be put this i think just to be just put this in context, chris, i don't think we're anywhere near that the we're anywhere near that at the moment. we've seen moment. i think what we've seen in a horrendous in ukraine is a horrendous onslaught from our totalitarian, authoritarian . dictator in authoritarian. dictator in moscow , and which has basically moscow, and which has basically fought with huge amounts of money and working with his allies like iran, uh, to really try and hammer a fledgling we know that brought to a fought to a sense, the poll we had from the people's poll overnight from gb news found that fewer than 1 in 5 would fight for their country. >> is that a worry for you? >> is that a worry for you? >> think it depends on the >> i think it depends on the context in which who's the enemy and in which any poll is taken, and in which any poll is taken, and what exactly the nature of the think also the question is. i think also there's of your there's the future of your colleague lee anderson is at stake here. >> wants to >> he wants to be maybe if asked, he would rejoin as your deputy. take back deputy. would he take him back with deputies? with a few deputies? >> you know, chris and was >> as you know, chris and i was actually to lose lee. you know, he does a lot of good for the party fundraisers around the country up

country really helping gee up the he the membership. i hope he continues to do that. um, but, you know, it's decisions on you know, it's the decisions on jobs for people is not one for me alone. i'll have to chat to the chief whip and prime minister about it. but i think in time shouldn't in the long time you shouldn't rule anything out. i think, you know, lee, he's know, in fairness to lee, he's also clear. he was also been very clear. he was very and straightforward very decent and straightforward in resignation letter, in his resignation letter, and he he's been very he was very he's been very straightforward since to say, actually, wrong actually, he was wrong to vote against we or to not against what we were or to not support what we were trying to do around. the policy with do around. and the policy with deporting people to rwanda, which him. which is pretty big of him. right. to admit that right. you know, to admit that you've got something wrong is not easy. he's done not always easy. and he's done that. so, you know, i hope that. and so, you know, i hope he continues to be my colleague for about his for years to come and about his future well we'll have to future jobs. well we'll have to see. i'm sure he'll be on gb news for quite a yeah. news for quite a while. yeah. >> richard holden, chairman of the thank you for joining the party, thank you for joining us news. richard us today on gb news. richard holden, with a with holden, there with a with a feisty defence. there of the government's record. and he does say will be leading say that the pm will be leading the party into the next general election. well how confident,

confident confident. >> although i have to say richard holden saying in some polls we're only 14 points behind , wasn't the most behind, wasn't the most convincing argument he could have proffered. no possibly not, but maybe he had a point when he said or said something about how, uh, keir starmer hasn't really told the nation exactly what's on the cards for the labour government. >> easy to say. you're going to vote for a party when they haven't given you their manifesto yet. but joining us is our editor, our political editor, christopher reflect on christopher hope, to reflect on that christopher, that interview. christopher, what think we learned what do you think we learned from richard holden then? do we learn that, uh, stuck learn anything that, uh, stuck out you ? out to you? >> well, we learned he would fight the russians, which is something i mean, the poll overnight from the, uh, gb news. people polling found . that just people polling found. that just 2 in 5 of us would volunteer to fight an enemy. so that's interesting . although he's 37 interesting. although he's 37 years old, he's too to old sign up now to limit being at 36. i think in terms of westminster, where i am at the moment, what

they'll be hearing about is that line about a possible second budget this year. now i said to him about the tax cuts today, of course, national insurance being cut by 2% on average, £450 into the pockets of everyone in the country on average. but he said there will see more of that in march. and he said and more of that later in the year as well. now to me confirms the now that to me confirms the rumour in westminster, there could a budget in september could be a budget in september ahead of a november election . so ahead of a november election. so it's very, very interesting that no , that is the first time i've no, that is the first time i've ever heard a member of the top team around rishi sunak confirming a second fiscal event this year , and that gives this year, and that gives a shape of what the tory party is looking to do later this year. it's about tax, tax and more tax. >> it's interesting because the conservative party seems to have stepped back from some of the tax proposals that have been floated in the papers in inheritance tax is the big one i'm thinking of. could it be that we're not going to see

perhaps a big seismic move on this issue next month, or rather the month after in early march? uh, but we could if the polls haven't shifted by much after march's fiscal event . see, march's fiscal event. see, perhaps some panic , perhaps some perhaps some panic, perhaps some bigger moves on wedge issues like inheritance tax in . october like inheritance tax in. october >> i'm not so sure that inheritance tax is a is a wedge issue, which the tories think it is. i think they want to just put money into the pockets of as many people as they can. and inheritance tax is something which benefits really the wealthiest estates and is more playing why playing to the base. why think is happening here is there's around £15 billion or thereabouts of headroom to play with in the march budget, but as the as the government expects the as the government expects the economy to tick up later this year, they don't want to waste that and almost bequeath a good inheritance to a labour government. they want to use that for their own tax cuts in

september. so this makes some sense. you go early with a budget in march and you hit. sense. you go early with a budget in march and you hit . you budget in march and you hit. you hit the party or the country again with more tax cuts in september. ahead of that polling day in second week of november , day in second week of november, i should say. by the way, both of you, there's also a bit of air news there for gb news viewers. he made clear , didn't viewers. he made clear, didn't he, the chairman of the he, that the chairman of the party, he would he would look at an application from nigel farage to his party. they are to join his party. they are worried reform . at eight worried about reform. at eight points behind the party in points behind the tory party in the polling from gb the overnight polling from gb news, also gave a strong news, and also he gave a strong hint there might a hint there there might be a future our colleague lee future for our colleague lee anderson the party after anderson back in the party after he said sorry for voting, for abstaining on the rwanda bill. >> he did indeed. abstaining on the rwanda bill. >> he did indeed . thank you very >> he did indeed. thank you very much time, christopher. much for your time, christopher. hope bringing that hope for bringing us that interview. hope for bringing us that intethere. thank you very much. uh, there. thank you very much. i mean, lots awkwardly for the conservative party. is that perhaps they're not reading the room cuts, because when room on tax cuts, because when you poll people, they actually would prefer more money for pubuc would prefer more money for public and it public services. and it shouldn't be either or.

shouldn't really be either or. i mean, you should able have shouldn't really be either or. i mreasonable|ould able have shouldn't really be either or. i mreasonable taxd able have shouldn't really be either or. i mreasonable tax regimele have shouldn't really be either or. i mreasonable tax regime and have a reasonable tax regime and money for your public services. but you go. we don't have but there you go. we don't have any economic growth, substantial economic growth. >> much flat >> yeah, we're pretty much flat lining, um, in other lining, aren't we? um, in other news, jurgen klopp is to step down as liverpool's manager at the of this season, saying the end of this season, saying he didn't want to wait until he was too old to live a normal life again. >> yes. so the 56 year old, who has been manager since 2015, said he had dedicated his life to the job, it had been a to the job, adding it had been a fairytale for him . fairytale for him. >> i will leave the club at the end of the season . i can end of the season. i can understand that . it's, uh . a understand that. it's, uh. a shock for a lot of people in this moment. when you hear it the first time. and, um , but the first time. and, um, but obviously i can explain it or at least try to explain it. um and i love absolutely everything

thing about this club , and i thing about this club, and i love everything about the city. i love everything about our supporters. i love the team. i love the staff of everything that i still take this decision probably will or shows you that i'm convinced it's the one i have to take a huge moment there in a peculiar pre—recorded interview release by klopp himself. >> let's speak to the sports broadcaster and journalist aidan magee aiden. this is a big moment in english football without doubt. >> i mean, you have to consider the gifts he's bestowed on engush the gifts he's bestowed on english football over the last nine years. >> i mean, i remember covering him when he was at borussia dortmund, and it was always fancied he would fancy fancied that he would fancy a crack at the premier league. i felt that liverpool was club felt that liverpool was the club that suited you need big that suited him. you need a big personality but personality at the time, but also you to remember that also you have to remember that the of the club when you the state of the club when you took over, tom, around about

took it over, tom, around about a third players in his a third of those players in his squad were simply not for squad were simply not fit for purpose he had to move them purpose and he had to move them on. players is not on. and moving on players is not easy at all. uh it probably takes a couple of years to do that, but in his first season, they the league and they got to the league final and then to see them then we started to see them click into gear in terms of challenging the top of the premier league again, they won the in 2019, the champions league in 2019, having got the final year before, seeing before, and we're seeing real progress. the progress. the levels, the standards liverpool standards that liverpool beginning or had been beginning to expect or had been accustomed over accustomed to expecting over the previous 3 or decades, previous 3 or 4 decades, certainly 70s and certainly back in the 70s and 80s then the crowning glory 80s and then the crowning glory 2020, the covid year, he 2020, in the covid year, he managed deliver the premier managed to deliver the premier title years of not title after 30 years of not being to do it. none of his being able to do it. none of his predecessors houllier, brendan rodgers, were able rodgers, rafa benitez were able to do it and he delivered it. so yes, a massive seismic, seismic move in english football today. >> thank you very much. we're going to have to cut it a bit short aidan. but really short there aidan. but really appreciate your time. sports journalist aidan magee because we breaking news to we have some breaking news to bnng we have some breaking news to bring you. the international court court ruled court of justice court has ruled israel must take all measures to prevent so they've israel must take all measures to preveithat so they've

israel must take all measures to preveithat israel so they've israel must take all measures to preveithat israel must hey've israel must take all measures to preveithat israel must hey'v all ruled that israel must take all measures to prevent genocide. but didn't . but we didn't. >> judgement, of course, >> that judgement, of course, many and detail will many words and much detail will be getting to all of that detail with mark white, our home and security editor, on what that means for conflict in the middle east, how that might affect us here in britain, and frankly, what it might mean for prices as well, what with all of the reverberations around that arabian peninsula, this is good afternoon, britain on . gb news. afternoon, britain on. gb news. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers spot of weather on gb news is . on gb news is. >> hello , it's aidan mcgivern >> hello, it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast. >> blustery showers today in the far north but fine elsewhere . far north but fine elsewhere. plenty of sunshine in fact, and it will feel pleasant in that sunshine as high pressure builds in the wake of this front that moved through overnight and with that high pressure building winds will be lighter in the south, but it's still blustery

and further with fairly and further north with fairly significant winds for the north and northwest of scotland in particular. the particular. that's where the bulk will be bulk of the showers will be moving snow over the moving in some snow over the hills. mountains of scotland . hills. mountains of scotland. although is although the snow level is rising the day as milder rising through the day as milder air arrives and we will feel that milder air in the south with the lighter winds and the blue skies. highs here of ten, perhaps 11 celsius. then into the evening actually temperatures fall away in the south because of the clear skies and the light winds. perhaps the odd mist and fog patch forming, but nowhere near as foggy as it's been over the last 24 hours or so. hans we're going to see as we begin the weekend, plenty of fine weather across much of the uk . minus three celsius the uk. minus three celsius possible in sheltered parts of southern england . but further southern england. but further north it will be milder because we've got plenty of cloud for scotland. northern ireland and northern england. further showers longer of rain showers or longer spells of rain for northwest of scotland for the northwest of scotland and increasingly windy through saturday 60 70mph wind saturday morning. 60 70mph wind gusts for the northern isles and

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1:00 on friday the 26th of january. >> the international court of justice has ruled that israel must take all measures to prevent genocide in gaza , prevent genocide in gaza, although a verdict on south africa's allegation of genocide is not expected for years to come . what does it mean for us? come. what does it mean for us? we'll have all the latest with our security editor and justice not served. >> sir keir starmer backs calls for an inquiry into any failings that led to the nottingham attacks. this comes as the attorney general considers whether judges should review the sentence of psychotic sentence of the psychotic killer. valdo calocane . killer. valdo calocane. >> klopp, out in shock news, jurgen klopp has announced he'll leave liverpool at the end of the current season after nine years in english football. he says he's running out of energy after winning the premier league. the champions league and the fa cup . what does this mean the fa cup. what does this mean for the club .

for the club. >> and we've seen also we're going to be having a debate on this actually very soon about bringing back the death penalty . bringing back the death penalty. and this is because of this case in america. in alabama, it is it is a man used nitrogen. yeah. used nitrogen . and apparently it used nitrogen. and apparently it took him 22 minutes to die. so some are calling this absolutely barbaric . of course. some are calling this absolutely barbaric. of course. um, a question over what method is most humane. and, uh, but a lot of people in this country would like to see capital punishment back, depending on the crime, particularly some of the most serious crimes. people are killers calocane , who killers like valdo calocane, who of savagely murdered . of course savagely murdered. >> he didn't worry about how humane was. humane his killing was. >> well, manslaughter . yeah. >> well, manslaughter. yeah. >> well, manslaughter. yeah. >> but but of course, >> um, but but but of course, the whole point of this alabama, uh, execute is that nitrogen gas was meant to be quick, humane . was meant to be quick, humane. they were meant to pass out. and then it was all meant to go a lot more humanely than a lethal

injection. although many people are saying it didn't go quite according to plan. so are there ethical concerns there? >> well , let ethical concerns there? >> well, let us ethical concerns there? >> well , let us know. we're >> well, let us know. we're going to be having the debate. i believe we've got an witkam putting the case for, uh, putting up the case for, uh, bringing capital bringing back capital punishment. but let know in punishment. but let us know in advance. vaiews@gbnews.uk do you in some cases, the you think in some cases, the most serious crimes you most serious crimes would you back capital punishment, or do you it's barbaric? you believe it's barbaric? let us views at news.com. us know. gb views at news.com. but it's headlines with but it's your headlines with severe . severe. >> thanks , emily. good >> thanks, emily. good afternoon. it's 1:02. >> thanks, emily. good afternoon. it's1:02. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . wenzler in the gb newsroom. first are some breaking news out of the hague. the un's top court has ordered israel to take measures to prevent genocide and punish direct incitement of genocide in its war in gaza. a large majority of the 17 judge panel voted for urgent measures but fell short, noticeably short of ordering a halt to military

action in gaza. instead the court ordered israel to refrain from any acts that could fall under the genocide convention and ensure its troops do not commit any genocidal acts. hannah down the ruling. the judge noted the large death toll in gaza since fighting broke out in gaza since fighting broke out in october. >> the court notes that the military operation being conducted by israel following the attack of 7th october 2023, has resulted in a large number of deaths and injuries, as well as massive destruction of homes. the forcible displacement of the vast majority of the population, and extensive damage to civilian infrastructure . 25,700 infrastructure. 25,700 palestinians have been killed and over 63,000 injuries have been reported . over 360 housing been reported. over 360 housing units have been destroyed or partially damaged , and maritime partially damaged, and maritime security officials have reported heanng security officials have reported hearing missiles and explosions near an oil tanker in the gulf of aden at the entrance to the

red sea security company ombra in the uk maritime trade operations centre, say an indian affiliated oil tanker was involved in the incident off the coast of yemen. >> it comes after prime minister rishi sunak warned this week of more airstrikes on houthi rebels if attacks on commercial ships continue . the foreign secretary continue. the foreign secretary says progress is being made towards securing the release of hostages held by the hamas terror group. lord cameron is also working to get more aid into gaza, with israel said to be considering a british proposal to open its ashdod port, one of its three main cargo points . speaking in turkey cargo points. speaking in turkey after a middle east tour, lord cameron said a sustainable ceasefire is possible . ceasefire is possible. >> the prospects of achieving a pause where we stop the fighting and start looking at how to get aid in and hostages out . and start looking at how to get aid in and hostages out. i think there is a prospect of that and i want there to be a prospect of that because of course, a pause would be great for hostages, good for and we be good for aid, and we might be able turn into the able to turn that into the sustainable ceasefire that we

want without a return to fighting. that's what i've been in the region talking about, and i think we are making some progress. >> lord cameron speaking there now. jurgen klopp is stepping down as liverpool manager at the end the season . the 56 year end of the season. the 56 year old announced his decision with his side top of the league, saying important club saying it's important the club has ensure an orderly has time to ensure an orderly transition. liverpool was revolutionised under his leadership , winning six trophies leadership, winning six trophies with the reds, including the premier league title 2020. premier league title in 2020. their first win in 30 years, and the championship's league trophy just a year before the attorney general will consider reviewing the sentence of nottingham triple killer valdo calocane after . receiving a complaint after. receiving a complaint that it could be too lenient, he was given a hospital order yesterday and will likely spend the rest of his life in a high security clinic. he was found to be suffering from severe mental illness when he killed three people knife before people with a knife before attempting others. attempting to kill three others. he'd stopped prescribed he'd stopped taking prescribed medication and could hear voices in his head. he'd also visited

london's headquarters to ask london's m15 headquarters to ask them to stop controlling him. three psychiatrists agreed that a order would be the a hospital order would be the best course of action when there were no obvious alternatives to replace rishi sunak as prime minister. that's according to a new poll. ipsos uk found 42% of those who voted for the tories in 2019 have a favourable view of mr sunak, former prime minister boris johnson scored slightly more with 43. however his unfavorability was higher than the current prime minister. it comes amid claims of a plot to oust rishi sunak before the next election, after former cabinet minister simon clarke called on him to resign earlier this week . the king has been this week. the king has been admitted to a london hospital for treatment for an enlarged prostate. buckingham palace says his majesty is delighted to learn that his diagnosis is having a positive impact on pubuc having a positive impact on public health awareness . the public health awareness. the king is also understood to have visited the princess of wales, who is recovering from abdominal surgery. a statement from buckingham palace thanked all of

those who've given their good wishes over the past week . this wishes over the past week. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to tom and . emily well, by saying play gb news. now it's back to tom and . emily well , to back to tom and. emily well, to that breaking news from the international court of justice. >> they've ordered on israel to take steps to prevent genocide in gaza, but they've stopped short of ordering israel to ceasefire. >> yes, south africa brought the case to the un's top court. the leaving israel's response to the 7th of october attacks is in breach of the un's genocide convention. israel now has one month to respond to the hague based court . based court. >> well, joining us now is gb news security editor mark white. we're hearing that they have stopped short of ordering israel to ceasefire to stop all

military intervention in gaza. how do you expect israel to respond? >> well, i think israel will see that they are doing their utmost to try to prevent civilian casualties in gaza, and they certainly are not indulging. they would say, in genocide in any way, shape or form . um, any way, shape or form. um, there's no doubt. i think the south africans will try to present this as a victory. and i think in truth, it's a partial victory for them . but clearly it victory for them. but clearly it stops short of that main urgent call from them for a ruling by this court , uh, for israel to this court, uh, for israel to impose an immediate ceasefire that the court is not doing. instead, it's urging israel to take all steps possible to ensure that there is no genocide , uh, in gaza. and also to ensure that more is done to help the civilian populations in terms of humanitarian aid

reaching that population . in reaching that population. in gaza. and it's given them a month, really, to report back to the court on what they are doing to try to follow the ruling that was set down by the court, but no ceasefire . however, what they no ceasefire. however, what they do . and what they did, uh, rule do. and what they did, uh, rule was that the case brought by south africa alleging genocide in gaza does have, uh , plausible in gaza does have, uh, plausible argument. in other words , they argument. in other words, they are willing to investigate it further in a more substantive heanng further in a more substantive hearing . and when i say a more hearing. and when i say a more subtle , substantive hearing , i subtle, substantive hearing, i really mean it because these heanngs really mean it because these hearings will go on in for years. uh case that was brought against it, um, myanmar for, um, allegations of genocide against the rohingya . uh, that case, uh, the rohingya. uh, that case, uh, has been going on for years and is continuing as well. so there

is continuing as well. so there is no doubt that the case itself, before we ever reach a conclusion on on the merits of that case, uh, the this is why, as i said, south africa wanted this interim ruling by the court to try to call for an immediate ceasefire to stop what is going on.the ceasefire to stop what is going on. the bloodshed in gaza . but, on. the bloodshed in gaza. but, uh, i think israel will see it as a partial victory as well, because they've effectively , uh, because they've effectively, uh, been allowed to continue their operations with, of course, uh, the caveats that they have got to do all in their power to ensure that there is no genocide committed, that any , any, uh, committed, that any, any, uh, one who is inciting genocide in israel, uh , has to be prevented israel, uh, has to be prevented from doing that. and that may well be a reference to some of the far right members of the cabinet who have been seen as indulging in very inflammatory language , uh, over recent months

i >> -- >> mark, it seems to me that the court has actually taken the line that the united kingdom government that the united states government has been taking throughout this conflict , taking throughout this conflict, that israel has a right to defend itself, a right to go after hamas. but must do so in line with international law. there will be people who were cheering much fanfare for cheering with much fanfare for this court case. people like jeremy corbyn, who travelled over to the hague on the first day of hearings , who've been day of hearings, who've been calling for a ceasefire who are going to be mightily disappointed that the international lawyers that the international court of justice has sided , it seems, with the has sided, it seems, with the arguments of the british government, the american government and others are not with those calling for a permanent ceasefire. >> well, there is certainly that aspect. and you know, in on that particular point, of course, south africa will be disappointed that there isn't an unequivocal call for israel to immediately ceasefire and stop

its military operation in gaza , its military operation in gaza, and instead , uh, should , you and instead, uh, should, you know, make sure that what is happening there in prosecuting the war that there is no genocide that is being committed, as you say , that committed, as you say, that seems to fall in line with what we've been hearing from the likes of the uk government and others in recent months, as they are obviously concerned about the impact that this war is having on the civilian population in gaza and wants israel to do as much as possible to ensure that more aid, for instance , is allowed into that instance, is allowed into that country to help that population out. from israel's point of view of course, even if this court had ruled that there should be an immediate ceasefire , israel an immediate ceasefire, israel would not have done that. the rule, although it's legally binding in terms of those

members of this, uh, court and of course , israel and south of course, israel and south africa are both , uh, members africa are both, uh, members joined up to the international uh court of justice . uh, it is uh court of justice. uh, it is not enforceable . so if israel not enforceable. so if israel decided that it didn't want to follow whatever was being, uh, mark, i'm just going to interrupt you there. >> we've got a statement outside the hague from the south african delegation. let's listen in. >> omar is going to speak as well. uh, gigi will take questions. >> uh, you already ? >> uh, you already? >> uh, you already? >> yes. good to go, minister. over to you. my name is naledi pandor , and i'm the, uh, south pandor, and i'm the, uh, south african minister of international relations and cooperation . um, i wish to begin cooperation. um, i wish to begin by thanking the judges of the international court of justice for , for, uh, dealing with this for, for, uh, dealing with this matter expeditiously, given , uh, matter expeditiously, given, uh, the urgency of the need to protect innocent, uh, civil

auensin protect innocent, uh, civil aliens in palestine and to ensure that , uh, the harm that ensure that, uh, the harm that south africa has referred to in the case it brought before the icj that that harm is addressed and that people's lives are saved, the saving of life is not, uh, merely with respect , not, uh, merely with respect, uh, to having a ceasefire it's to ensuring that humanity korean aid is provided to those who need support , as well as need support, as well as ensuring that the state of israel, uh , which is currently israel, uh, which is currently the occupier and administrator in palestine , provides the in palestine, provides the necessary basic services that that the residents of gaza and the west bank require. this case was very much about international bodies ensuring that they exercise their responsibility to protect us all

as global citizens. responsibility to protect us all as global citizens . all member as global citizens. all member states of the united nations have attached their signatures to a range of instruments . have attached their signatures to a range of instruments. but when lives are threatened and these instruments are not brought to bear and south africa had the view that we could not stand idly by and continue to observe the killing of thousands of palestinian citizens who had no role in the awful act of hostage taking and killing that was done by hamas. hostage taking and killing that was done by hamas . and therefore was done by hamas. and therefore we thought it important that we do report that and apply to the international court of justice that the measures provided within the convention for the punishment and prevention of genocide are brought to bear and that the state of israel is called upon by the judges to act

to protect civilians and to end the massive level of harm that we have seen since the israeli action began. and we agree entirely with the judges that hamas should release the hostages that they're currently holding . we also, in our various holding. we also, in our various engagements with our partners internationally, believe of the moment is now ripe for there to be negotiations for a two state solution to end this conflict decisively. >> minister, it disappointed there wasn't a ceasefire . there wasn't a ceasefire. >> are you disappointed? >> are you disappointed? >> i depend for the international relations minister of south africa speaking there at the hague. outside the international court of justice, mark white and security editor, is still with us here in london. and, mark, what do you make of how the south africans are responding to this partial victory part loss at the hague

today ? today? >> well, as predicted, i think there accentuating the positive which is the fact that in the ruling from the international court of justice , it wasn't just court of justice, it wasn't just about calling for an immediate ceasefire, but also acknowledging the plight of the palestinian people in gaza and requiring of israel much more effort to try to ensure that more aid and assistance is allowed into gaza to help these people. now of course, from israel's point of view, there is also the disappointment. i'm sure , that the court has ruled sure, that the court has ruled that there is a plausible case to answer here that south africa can have this more substantive , can have this more substantive, uh, court case that will run into the years. and in that court case, of course, israel will stand accused of genocide and anathema to, of course, people within israel. there's a

great deal of anger that this has even reached the international court of justice , international court of justice, a country, a state born out of genocide itself . and of course, genocide itself. and of course, justice tomorrow is holocaust remembrance day and to be accused of that on the international stage is something that has deeply angered many israelis. they say the only, uh, people that are guilty in this instance of genocide are hamas. in trying to wipe out, if they could , the population of israel, could, the population of israel, thatis could, the population of israel, that is their stated aim. their stated goal. and while that is the stated goal of hamas, israel say that is why they will continue to prosecute the war until they have degraded hamas to such an extent that it is no longer a threat to the popular nafion longer a threat to the popular nation of israel. >> well, thank you very much indeed, mark white, for bringing us that our security, our home and security editor there, some

people will be disappointed that the ruling didn't go far enough in calling for a ceasefire. others think the whole thing is ridiculous and that israel would say that they have no intention of genocide to of committing a genocide to begin with. >> and isn't it interesting that it's israel that gets taken to the international criminal court and for example, the and not, for example, the houthis, in their houthis, who have in their official death to israel official slogan, death to israel a curse upon the jews. uh, it's pretty genocidal. it sounds fairly genocidal, pretty genocidal. it sounds fairly genocidal , doesn't it? fairly genocidal, doesn't it? but no, the focus on israel, although it has to be said this, this , this interim ruling today this, this interim ruling today sounds very in line with uk policy. it seems if there's a winner today, it's not jeremy corbyn who stood there on day one of this hearing saying there's genocide going on. let's call for a ceasefire. it seems like he's been rebuffed and instead people like the instead it's people like the arguments made by rishi sunak that have been, uh, that have been vindicated. >> it like the type of >> it sounds like the type of ruling where different people , ruling where different people, depending on view, can depending on their view, can take a win it. know take a win from it. let us know what you think.

vaiews@gbnews.com. but we're going having a big debate going to be having a big debate coming up after the this coming up after the break. this is of the execution in is in light of the execution in alabama. we'll be asking , is it alabama. we'll be asking, is it time to bring back capital punishment in this country? >> certainly in the light of what happened in nottingham and the, repercussions of the, uh, legal repercussions of that. the, uh, legal repercussions of that . that the, uh, legal repercussions of that. that and indeed some of the our own killers we have in the our own killers we have in the united kingdom as well. might it be time to return to that ultimate punishment? vaiews@gbnews.com .

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news . news. >> it is 1:24 and kenneth smith , >> it is 1:24 and kenneth smith, convicted murderer on death row, has become the first person in the world to be executed with nitrogen . nitrogen. >> yes, the new method praised by state attorney as perhaps the most humane method of execution ever devised and amounted to what some have called torture. >> yes, according to witnesses , >> yes, according to witnesses, the execution didn't take the few minutes that it was expected . instead, 22 minutes and smith appeared to shake and writhe. sometimes pulling against the restraints . restraints. >> yes, that was followed by several minutes of heavy breathing . two now we're going breathing. two now we're going to have a debate .joining us now to have a debate. joining us now is the former cabinet minister, ann widdecombe, and vice chair at ministry of defence research ethics committee , professor

ethics committee, professor david albert jones. very good to see you both . thank you very see you both. thank you very much for joining see you both. thank you very much forjoining us. an come on, give us the case for bringing back capital punishment . back capital punishment. >> well, the case i've always made is based on, um, deterrence i >> -- >> so i'm not interested in it as a retribution. >> varne no interest in that at all. but in the five years after the abolition of the death penalty in this country, statistics were still kept divided into murders that would have been capital and murders that would not have been caphal that would not have been capital. that is, would not have attracted the death penalty. >> we don't do it now. it's all lumped together . lumped together. >> that's what we did before. five after the abolition five years after the abolition of the death penalty. and capital murders in those five years went up 125. so there was also an enormous rise in crime. >> i think it was about 40% where firearms were actually

taken on robberies. now, there f4, to my mind, there is a very clear deterrent value to capital punishment . clear deterrent value to capital punishment. if there is a deterrence, then it saves completely innocent lives and therefore i am in favour of it. it's not coming back. let me say that right away. that's why when i was shadow home secretary, i didn't time on it because didn't waste time on it because i knew it wasn't coming back. and why i think it and that's why i think it should. >> well, professor david, uh, albert , what do you make albert jones, what do you make of that? that it was an effective deterrent while we had it. yeah >> so, um, i mean, another news item which has been taking up, uh oh, several weeks now has been, um, the, uh, a miscarriage of justice involving ing literally hundreds of postmasters , um, and postmasters, um, and miscarriages of justice don't only occur in this area, but but we have seen them in regard to terrorist cases. we have seen them in regards to murders. if you have a miscarriage of justice and you have executed

the person who is wrongly accused, then there is no way to right that wrong . right that wrong. >> so you think there's always a chance that we could have got the wrong person and therefore , the wrong person and therefore, would you say it is barbaric ? would you say it is barbaric? uh, professor? well . it's uh, professor? well. it's barbaric to kill the innocent . barbaric to kill the innocent. >> certainly. i mean, also, there is another guilty. >> why is it barbaric to kill someone if you've got them bang to rights and you know from you, you know they're guilty, 100% guilty. so, um , there's two guilty. so so, um, there's two things here. >> firstly, i'd say you can't have a law which is only based on the nice clean cases as, uh, difficult cases make, make, make bad law. you you can say, oh, in this one particular case, this i know, i know, i know, but but there will be cases which will go through where people are innocent that they are innocent and that they are convicted. um, even if that's convicted. uh um, even if that's an exception . and, and the, the an exception. and, and the, the nofion an exception. and, and the, the notion that the state would execute someone who is innocent,

i think is, is , uh, is barbaric. i think is, is, uh, is barbaric. but i think even with the guilty , i don't think the state should be in the business of killing people. if there is an alternative live. and i do think that imprisonment is an alternative. i mean, whether we get , um, the tariffs for get, um, the tariffs for imprisonment, right? and whether we release people who are dangerous, who shouldn't be released is a different question. but we can keep people in prison. and if we can keep people in prison, then to execute them. i think you don't use lethal means. if non—lethal means would do and can, what do you make of that ? you make of that? >> when we had capital punishment, we did get it wrong. there are cases of people who are subsequently found to be innocent, the state killed. innocent, who the state killed. surely that's unjustifiable . surely that's unjustifiable. >> well, if you actually look at that , uh, in >> well, if you actually look at that, uh, in the last act that was passed that governed, who could and could not be executed, which was in the 50s, uh, there's only been one case. one case, uh, where for somebody who

really was innocent, was hanged. >> there's been a lot of controversy that said hanratty was innocent. he wasn't, as was proved. >> how was it proved when dna came in and if we'd had dna in the timothy evans reginald christie case, where an innocent man really was hanged? uh, if we'd had it, then, um, then , uh, we'd had it, then, um, then, uh, that miscarriage of justice wouldn't have taken place. and i'm quite happy to have a law that says you have to have dna evidence before you can apply the capital penalty, but i go back to my point. you cannot dismiss the innocent lives that are lost. really is a are lost. if it really is a deterrent . and it wasn't a small deterrent. and it wasn't a small rise in those five years, it was 125. it's a deterrent . that's 125. it's a deterrent. that's the moral argument for it. >> yeah. david, do you do you accept that argument that it works as a deterrent ? works as a deterrent? >> well, it's very difficult. you have a you have a period where, where crime is going up and, and then you say these crimes are going up, you have just these this five year period. we don't um, it's

difficult with statistics. it's difficult with statistics. it's difficult with statistics to show that that that i mean, do we have uh, do we have now more capital type murders than we would have had, uh, then what kind of deterrent? what's what sorts of things would it be a deterrent for and what not? uh, if you've got people who are willing to blow themselves up on the tube, then they're not going to be worried about being executed . so it's not executed. so it's not a deterrent for them. so there are people who are not certainly not deterred . and there's a there's deterred. and there's a there's a big question about about, uh , a big question about about, uh, you know, playing with data and there's the fundamental thing that we, we did get things wrong. birmingham six. we got those that things wrong. they are they are precisely the kind of people who would have been executed . executed. >> and you're shaking your head there. head hands. >> and you're shaking your head there. head hands . yeah. there. head in your hands. yeah. >> i was a bit because because obviously you cannot compare the, uh, if you're looking at the, uh, if you're looking at

the impact of the death penalty, if that's your only question, you can't compare statistics from the 1950s with statistics, or it was the 60s, then the 1960s with statistics . now, 1960s with statistics. now, because there's been, as david rightly pointed out, a whole number of social factors that have changed. but if you're looking at something's impact, you look at immediate impact you look at the immediate impact that was why those five that was why for those five years, those figures were collected because they were actually the immediate actually analysing the immediate impact. i mean, overtime, actually analysing the immediate impact. i mean, over time, other factors come in. uh, and, and, uh, so, i mean, i still stand by that, um, as i've said, you know, dna has made an enormous difference to how we really can be certain, of course, uh, and i do believe , therefore, that it do believe, therefore, that it would be safe to restore it. having said that , my opponent having said that, my opponent will be very glad to know . having said that, my opponent will be very glad to know. i don't he's ever going to don't think he's ever going to come back. think it's come back. i don't think it's ever going to be restored. >> but we've only got 30s left. >> but we've only got 30s left. >> so final word must be to you, professor well say >> so final word must be to you, profnot)r well say >> so final word must be to you, profnot coming well say >> so final word must be to you, profnot coming back, say >> so final word must be to you, profnot coming back, but say >> so final word must be to you, profnot coming back, but but it's not coming back, but but but, uh , euthanasia is around in

but, uh, euthanasia is around in various places , and there are various places, and there are people in prison who are being having their lives ended in prison because they would prefer that than they would to complete their sentence. >> and that's happening in, in, in spain and in other countries. so we might get it back by euthanasia. well, that's an interesting point. >> very interesting point that in at the end what a curve ball. >> what a curve ball. there thank thank you very much indeed to both of you. great debate. former cabinet minister ann widdecombe. thanks your widdecombe. thanks for your time and the ministry widdecombe. thanks for your time an defence the ministry widdecombe. thanks for your time andefence research ministry widdecombe. thanks for your time an defence research ethicstry of defence research ethics committee, professor david albert they albert jones. i think they covered the main arguments. >> i think that's a fascinating final point to end on. we might have get these two have to get these two contributors because, my contributors back because, my goodness, a death penalty by the back door. >> yeah, i'm not sure how i feel about the death penalty. i don't think i would bring it back, but let me know if you completely disagree. gb views news. disagree. gb views at gb news. com something the barbaric com something of the barbaric about it. >> i one thing for sure. if >> i know one thing for sure. if it were to brought back the it were to be brought back the worst way possible would the

worst way possible would be the choice person imprisoned, choice of the person imprisoned, which that which seems to be that euthanasia option. oh, you know, you choice. life in you get the choice. life in prison. it shouldn't be the choice of the accused. >> but i guess if you've got a killer, that's the number one way else safe, way to keep everyone else safe, i perhaps. perhaps i guess. but perhaps. perhaps not. let us know are getting not. let us know we are getting lots of emails on this, we lots of emails on this, so we will to them, promise. will come to them, we promise. but up a group of but coming up a group of protesters have gathered outside but coming up a group of p|hotel3rs have gathered outside but coming up a group of p|hotel3rs north—east red outside but coming up a group of p|hotel3rs north—east london. de a hotel in north—east london. why because around asylum a hotel in north—east london. why beyare;e around asylum a hotel in north—east london. why beyare to around asylum a hotel in north—east london. why beyare to bejnd asylum a hotel in north—east london. why beyare to be moved asylum a hotel in north—east london. why beyare to be moved from um seekers are to be moved from their accommodation. why? they protest your headlines their accommodation. why? they protesophia your headlines their accommodation. why? they protesophia . your headlines with sophia. >> thanks, emily. it's 133. with sophia. >> thanks, emily. it's133. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . the un's top court has newsroom. the un's top court has ordered israel to take measures to prevent genocide and punish those who incite it in its war in gaza . a large majority of the in gaza. a large majority of the 17 judge panel voted for urgent measures but fell noticeably short of ordering a halt to military action in gaza. instead the court ordered israel to refrain from any acts that could fall under the genocide convention. former labour leader jeremy corbyn, who visited the

hague during the trial, called it a vital step towards justice. it's handing down the ruling. the judge noted. the large death toll in gaza since fighting broke out in october. the court notes that the military operation being conducted by israel following the attack of 7th october 2023, has resulted in a large number of deaths and injuries, as well as massive destruction of homes. >> the forcible displacement of the vast majority of the population, and extensive damage to civilian infrastructure 25,700 palestinians have been killed , over 63,000 injuries killed, over 63,000 injuries have been reported , and over 360 have been reported, and over 360 housing units have been destroyed or partially damaged . destroyed or partially damaged. >> more explosions have been heard near an oil tanker in the gulf of aden, at the entrance of the red sea , the security the red sea, the security company mbappe and the uk maritime trade operations centre say an indian affiliated vessel, was involved in an incident off the coast of yemen. it comes

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different areas of the country if need be. >> no no no no . >> no no no no. >>— >> no no no no. >> yes. well, prior sisters have been here yesterday and some of them just a handful of them were here this morning. >> most of them are local residents, but just just to give you a bit of geography. so where we are at the moment is in walthamstow. so just over my left shoulder, is one of left shoulder, this is one of the hotels. >> this the ibis hotel. >> so this is the ibis hotel. >> so this is the ibis hotel. >> um, and then if we just flip around so you see the other around so you can see the other side the road, they've also side of the road, they've also got this building on my right shoulder. >> this is where part of these two buildings where for around 400 been staying in 400 people have been staying in for this includes for some time. this includes individuals , families as well . individuals, families as well. and in the last two hours, just over my left shoulder in this building here, we saw a family, a mother and some children leaving in a van. we had been heanng leaving in a van. we had been hearing them speaking for some time, but it wasn't clear when they were going to be leaving. as those letters which you mentioned, which were given to them last week, thursday. um, by

them last week, thursday. um, by the clearsprings, the contractor who's working with the home office saying you have until next week, friday, to leave these accommodation. but what's interesting , though today is interesting, though today is that we've only seen that one family and it seems a lot of people are still actually here just looking through the doors and windows. a lot of them are still here in this area. so it's not quite clear when and if they are going to leave today. considering that deadline was at 9:00 this morning, but having spoken to some local people already today, some of them are saying it's so unfair that these people are having to be moved around, especially with young children. haven't children. some of them haven't been to go to school this been able to go to school this week this situation. week because of this situation. they don't know where they simply don't know where they are going to up. but of they are going to end up. but of course, the here that many course, the issue here that many people have highlighted over the recent months is that the government is spending around £8 million a day just to house people in hotels like this one, which are in various parts of

london and in other parts of the country as well, but seemingly here, the operation is still underway. many of those families and individuals are still here for the moment. >> absolutely extraordinary. amidst a severe housing shortage, particularly in the caphal shortage, particularly in the capital, theo chikomba , thank capital, theo chikomba, thank you very much for your report and let's keep an eye out. i can understand why she's moved. >> i can understand why people don't want to be if don't want to be moved if they've been for two they've been there for two years. that's, uh, should years. and that's, uh, should you be able to in a hotel years. and that's, uh, should y0ltwo able to in a hotel years. and that's, uh, should y0ltwo years? in a hotel years. and that's, uh, should y0ltwo years? i in a hotel years. and that's, uh, should y0ltwo years? i mean,a hotel years. and that's, uh, should y0ltwo years? i mean, it'stel for two years? i mean, it's pretty nice accommodation. it's. >> sort of new york >> what sort of new york socialites do live in hotels? >> well, i'm sure there's >> well, i'm not sure there's room service top, i don't know, let's find out. they're calling up of champagne in the up a glass of champagne in the evening. um, but, yeah, i mean, let us know what you make of that. i guess, uh, the government desperately government are desperately trying use of trying to reduce the use of hotels, seem to hotels, but it doesn't seem to be we've been told that be working. we've been told that 50 are going to be, uh, we're going stop they're going to stop using 50. they're going to stop using 50. they're going given back, going to be given back, seemingly that operation not going according to plan this morning, up, we'll be

morning, but coming up, we'll be speaking to mp as speaking to a labour mp that as the of the conservative the chairman of the conservative party says tax cuts start party says tax cuts will start from march .

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go to the hour at about quarter to two? >> it's about really two. >> it's about really two. >> but you're watching good afternoon britain and uh, joining us now is the labour member of parliament for birmingham selly oak, steve mccabe steve, you so much mccabe. steve, thank you so much for joining us. been forjoining us. we've been talking this program talking earlier on this program to chairman of the to the chairman of the conservative party, who seems rather chipper about the prospect of tax cuts. there's a tax cut today £450 for the average worker . but also tax cut today £450 for the average worker. but also there's so much talk of more tax cuts to come. does that put the labour party in a difficult position . party in a difficult position. >> well i think today is ten £0.10 up and £0.02 down isn't it. that's the problem with that promise . um, look, it. that's the problem with that promise. um, look, i it. that's the problem with that promise . um, look, i don't think promise. um, look, i don't think anyone's surprised that the tory party, uh, when it's in such dire straits, is talking about tax cuts. but the question is whether or not they'll be able to wipe out 14 years of excessive tax rises and failures

on all fronts. is the one that should be getting us. >> well, steve, we've been heanng >> well, steve, we've been hearing from the shadow chancellor that she thinks the tax burden on working people is too high. >> so presumably the party approves of this cut in national insurance. that is a tax on working people . will the labour working people. will the labour party actually reduce that tax burden by paying more? because, according to the shadow chancellor, the labour party is now the party of cutting taxes on working people . on working people. >> well, i think we've been pretty clear we'd like to see a much fairer tax base, but it's very difficult to say when we are in opposition and we haven't actually seen the state of the pubuc actually seen the state of the public finances. you know, what will be possible or what. >> but steve, how then can you say the tax burden is too high? how can you know the tax burden is too high? well, we. >> well, because we know at the

moment it's the highest it's been since world war two. mhm >> that's that's true steve. but it's also true that we had an enormous amount of spending dunng enormous amount of spending during covid up until covid taxes on working people had come down. the taxes for people on the minimum wage had been abolished altogether . so there'd abolished altogether. so there'd been a series of tax cuts for working people . it's only after working people. it's only after covid that it's gone back up. would the labour party have had a different way to pay back all that covid debt is true, that things like ukraine and covid have added to the tax burden, and i wouldn't want to try and deny that . deny that. >> um, i mean, i think that raises two questions. one, it raises two questions. one, it raises the question about how well all of that money was spent and given the degree of fraud that's now emerging in the lack of claw back , i think that is of claw back, i think that is a very particular, uh, problem ,

very particular, uh, problem, uh, with it, it's also the case that things like freezing the touched the tax threshold fields had already occurred before covid. and of course people were suffering. they were being dragged in to paying more taxes as a result of that. so, i mean, this government does not have a history of tax cutting that would suddenly interrupt by covid. that's not accurate . covid. that's not accurate. >> well, steve mccabe , thank you >> well, steve mccabe, thank you very much for putting across your view very, very interesting stuff there. i think tax is going to be a big, big battleground in the next ten or so months. >> well, and public service spending where's that money going to come from. from more taxes or uh growth , which seems taxes or uh growth, which seems hard to come by these days. >> let's dive deeper into these questions . joining us now on the questions. joining us now on the sofas is the author and broadcaster amy nicholl turner, and the former leader of ukip, henry bolton. henry , let's henry bolton. um, henry, let's start with you. uh tax is it seems to be the big, big ploy

that the tories have leading up to this early march budget . mhm. to this early march budget. mhm. but the tories are so far behind in the polls . but the tories are so far behind in the polls. is it enough to shift things? i i don't think so. 50. >> so. >> no, i think there's the problems in terms of the public perception of the conservative party are far, far deeper than this. >> but of course people are going to welcome. >> well, this is going to, you know, if i'm paying a little bit of less tax, that's a good thing. and i'm sure that that rishi sunak and jeremy hunt are thinking exactly that it's going to influence terms thinking exactly that it's going to voting influence terms thinking exactly that it's going to voting intentions, ice terms thinking exactly that it's going to voting intentions, some terms thinking exactly that it's going to voting intentions, some even; of voting intentions, some even if it's just to, to slow down the slide, if you see what i mean. but i think also he's got another they've got another concern is there is concern which is there is increasing restlessness s in amongst backbenchers of the amongst the backbenchers of the conservative party. there is this question should get rid this question should we get rid of or should we not? my of sunak or should we not? my personal view is that they're daft. if they don't, because they're hit that they're going to hit that iceberg sure. if they don't, iceberg for sure. if they don't, let's try and change course. but that's to them. that's up to them. >> things can always get worse, henry. >> well, yeah they yeah,

>> well, yeah they can. yeah, you go. could increase you could go. he could increase speed the iceberg as speed towards the iceberg as well. but think what well. but um, but i think what this will do as well is, is kind of he hopes put a little bit of paw, a little bit of oil on troubled waters there because to keep the maritime analogy, but i think there will be a lot of, of members of parliament, conservative parliamentary members who think , well, this members who think, well, this actually might make a difference . it is the prime minister and the chancellor trying to sort of pay the chancellor trying to sort of pay to what the public are pay heed to what the public are saying. so i think there's a lot of politics. this is about politics. >> is it what the public are saying? because amy, you know, there's been polling and of course, polling is just a snapshot in time. most snapshot in time. but most people think public people seem to think that public services and improving those is far important than, tax far more important than, uh, tax cuts far more important than, uh, tax cut�*i say you read my mind >> i dare say you read my mind there, conservatives there, and other conservatives reading the room wrongly here, that actually people aren't that bothered a couple of bothered about a couple of points of, uh, you know , income points of, uh, you know, income tax or national insurance, i think i think the conservatives need to admit that their little magic carrot that they always

dangle is longer working, dangle is no longer working, because usually they can tax because usually they can say tax cuts never yayi cuts and never goes yayi >> unfortunately, this time >> but unfortunately, this time they're cuts whilst they're saying tax cuts whilst nothing working and no one nothing is working and no one can afford anything . so i think can afford anything. so i think what we'd really want to see is tax thresholds moved up, because at the moment that lowest bracket is paying way too much tax. so maybe even abolish the bottom rate of tax raise the top one. um, because that would, that would , that would remove that would, that would remove actually much of actually actually much of actually actually i believe that's a reform policy to abolish that that bottom rate of tax. um, but but on that case with public services , all we're going to see services, all we're going to see is a return to austerity, because public services at the moment, they can't afford to have even less money that will have even less money that will have absolutely dire results. >> it interesting because >> isn't it interesting because we were listening to steve mccabe there, did bring up mccabe there, he did bring up this freezing of thresholds. this freezing of tax thresholds. the it's known . the fiscal drag, as it's known. but the labour party haven't promised to unfreeze those thresholds, is it a disingenuous

attack? >> i think it is. one of the things that i find frustrating at the moment is that we've got at the moment is that we've got a conservative party, labour party , reform, liberal party, reform, liberal democrats, they're we're going to do this, we're going to do that. we're going to do the other without presenting any plan, any credible plan as to how it's promises. it's a five point plan or it's nine promises or it might or whatever it might be. >> make the nhs better. as if that's exactly stop the boats. >> @ know , e’— e“— @ know , tell us what >> how you know, tell us what the is going to be. where the cost is going to be. where are you going to get that money? because we've had for so long politicians they're politicians tell us that they're going something and then going to do something and then they have not delivered. so they have not delivered. and so people don't simply don't trust them unless people can see a credible plan . brief, succinct, credible plan. brief, succinct, but nonetheless a plan, then it's not going to work. and i agree in terms of i, i suspect strongly that this has all been calculated in the treasury already, that there's been an increase in the taxation in order to drop it a little bit in the last year towards the sort of the general election and so on, all this, sort of this

manipulation that goes on. but ultimately, in the final analysis, i don't think the, the money in the bank, if you like, for the government, is going to be by this. um, i think be reduced by this. um, i think that there is a serious question about we've to about expenditure. we've got to sort health care. we've sort out the health care. we've got issues. we were got serious issues. we were talking about it earlier about defence. the state armed defence. the state of the armed forces, 28% smaller forces, the army's 28% smaller than was 12 years ago . um, than it was 12 years ago. um, and we've got some major problems to address policing the schools and but that money's got to come from somewhere and i think. sorry, emily, to just finish, i think that one of the things that the government has singularly failed to do, and i think any government would any of the political parties is to engage with the public and explain spending this explain why we're spending this and the taxation is for. and what the taxation is for. there no connection there is no connection any longer between national insurance, example, insurance, for example, and health people health care and pensions. people still don't still don't understand. no, it's broken. it's nobody understands it it's nobody understands it. it all goes into one big pot. >> and that's the problem, though, it? because though, isn't it? because it's all good, promising. though, isn't it? because it's all i'm good, promising. though, isn't it? because it's all i'm surei, promising. though, isn't it? because it's all i'm sure the omising. though, isn't it? because it's all i'm sure the labour|. and i'm not sure the labour party be able promise

party will be able to promise much money for the nhs. to much more money for the nhs. to be honest, because of the state of finances. liz. um, of the public finances. liz. um, but isn't it the case? i've forgotten where i was with forgotten where i was going with that something that amy talk. okay, something that amy talk. okay, something that struck me this week is the research by the joseph research done by the joseph rowntree foundation, which has found deep, deep poverty in our society. >> 1 in 4 children now in certain parts of country certain parts of the country living in poverty. i think these alarming statistics, the fact that when you go into supermarkets now, you're seeing security on pots of security tags on on pots of butter and you know what we were talking about previously, last week about children's dental health, that we health, just the state that we have found ourselves with after this 14 years of this government that the that we have victorian era levels inequality . and era levels of inequality. and that's the type of thing that i think is, is catching people's attention, not one p off income tax. we don't care about that. we see our nation we want to see our nation restore. >> oh yes. it's come back to me. it's all well and good having >> oh yes. it's come back to me. it's a|moneyand good having >> oh yes. it's come back to me. it's a|money for good having >> oh yes. it's come back to me. it's a|money for public1aving >> oh yes. it's come back to me. it's a|money for public services. more money for public services. but need and the but we need reform. and the conservatives have failed do conservatives have failed to do what all agree that. what we all agree on that. >> no, i think we do because

it's extraordinary. average it's extraordinary. the average spend per person in 2010 of taxpayers was £15,000. the taxpayers cash was £15,000. the average today is £17,000. average spend today is £17,000. and yet it feels like things have got worse. more money per person is being spent on all these public services. and yet things feel like they've got so much worse. conundrum. >> we constantly see all this waste today. ppe was just unusable. we'll have to get back to this in the next hour. >> much more to come. see you then. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news hello it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast a blustery showers today in the far north but fine elsewhere. >> plenty of sunshine, fact , >> plenty of sunshine, in fact, and it will feel pleasant in that sunshine high pressure that sunshine as high pressure builds in the wake of this front. that moved through overnight. with that high overnight. and with that high pressure winds be pressure building winds will be lighter it's lighter in the south, but it's still blustery further north with fairly significant winds

for the north and northwest of scotland in particular. that's where the bulk of the showers will be moving in some snow over the hills, mountains of scotland. although the snow level through day level is rising through the day as air and we as milder air arrives and we will feel that milder air in the south with the lighter winds and the blue skies. highs here of ten, perhaps 11 celsius, then into the evening actually temperatures fall away in the south because of the clear skies and the light winds. perhaps the odd mist and fog patch forming, but nowhere near as foggy as it's been over the last 24 hours or so. hans we're going to see as we begin the weekend, plenty of fine weather across much of the uk . minus three celsius the uk. minus three celsius possible in sheltered parts of southern england, but further north it will be milder because we've got plenty of cloud for scotland. northern ireland and northern england. further showers of rain showers or longer spells of rain for northwest of scotland for the northwest of scotland and increasingly windy through saturday morning. 60 70mph wind gusts isles and gusts for the northern isles and the isles. elsewhere

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>> good afternoon britain. it's 2:00 on friday. >> the 26th of january and the international court of justice has ruled that israel must take all measures to prevent genocide in gaza, although a verdict on south africa's allegation of genocide is not expected for years to come. we'll have all the very latest with our security editor and justice not served . served. >> sir keir starmer backs calls for an inquiry into failings that led to the nottingham attacks. this comes as the attorney general considers whether judges should review the sentence of the psychotic killer. valdo calocane , and in killer. valdo calocane, and in royal health latest, king charles enters the london clinic this morning for planned treatment for an enlarged prostate. >> the king is expected to spend at least one night at the hospital. royal correspondent cameron walker will bring us the very latest. >> this is royal ruling. i think

is really interesting because i think a lot of people who really hate israel were expecting saying that the court would say unambiguously, oh, they're so genocidal. and it hasn't done that. its interim ruling seems actually really reasonable that they should take steps to avoid genocide, but they have the right to defend themselves. it seems that that's the line that came out of the court. and to be honest, that's the line that the british government has to and presumably israel will simply respond by saying, well, we're following these suggestions. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> look at our leaflet drops. look at the safe areas we've said. it's a shame that egypt won't open the rafah crossing to let some of these, uh, gazans citizens out and they're trapped in there by egypt . but let's not in there by egypt. but let's not forget, um, weird that no, no case has been brought against egypt. no case has been brought against anyone apart from israel over issue. against anyone apart from israel ovewell, issue. against anyone apart from israel ovewell, having having said >> well, having having said that, of course, a the pressure does continue to mount over a ceasefire regardless of this

latest ruling from the icj there. but let us know what you make of it all. uh gbviews@gbnews.uk . should we get gbviews@gbnews.uk. should we get our headlines? let's get a headune. our headlines? let's get a headline . here. headline. here. >> thanks, emily. good afternoon. it's 2:02. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. the un's top court has ordered israel to take measures to prevent genocide and punish those who incite it. in its war in gaza. a large majority of the 17 judge panel voted for urgent measures, but fell noticeably short of ordering a halt to military action in gaza. instead the court ordered israel to refrain from any acts that could fall under the genocide convention. israel's prime minister, benjamin netanyahu , minister, benjamin netanyahu, says israel won't be deterred from defending itself . from defending itself. >> the charge of genocide levelled against israel is not only false, it's outrageous and decent people everywhere should reject it . on the eve of the

reject it. on the eve of the international holocaust remembrance day, i again pledge as israel's prime minister no , as israel's prime minister no, never again. israel will continue to defend itself against hamas, a genocidal terror organisation. >> on october 7th, hamas perpetrated the most horrific atrocities against the jewish people since the holocaust , atrocities against the jewish people since the holocaust, and it vows to repeat these atrocious cities again and again. >> and again . >> and again. >> and again. >> and a maritime security officials have reported hearing missiles and explosions near an oil tanker in the gulf of aden at the entrance of the red sea security company . ombre in the security company. ombre in the uk maritime trade operations centre, say an indian affiliated oil tanker was involved in an incident off the coast of yemen. it comes after prime minister rishi sunak warned this week of more airstrikes on houthi rebels if attacks on commercial ships continue to the foreign secretary says progress is being made towards securing the release of hostages held by the hamas terror group. lord cameron is also working to get more aid

into gaza , with israel said to into gaza, with israel said to be considering a british proposal to open its ashdod port, one of its three main cargo points . speaking in turkey cargo points. speaking in turkey after a middle east tour, lord cameron said a sustainable ceasefire is possible . ceasefire is possible. >> the prospects of achieving a pause where we stop the fighting and start looking at how to get aid in and hostages out . and start looking at how to get aid in and hostages out. i think there is a prospect of that and i want there to be a prospect of that because, of course, a pause would be great for hostages, good for aid and we might be able to turn that into the sustainable ceasefire that we want a return want without a return to fighting that's i've been fighting. that's what i've been in region talking about, and in the region talking about, and i we making some i think we are making some progress there. >> lord cameron speaking there. now, in other news, jurgen klopp >> lord cameron speaking there. n(stepping er news, jurgen klopp >> lord cameron speaking there. n(stepping down vs, jurgen klopp >> lord cameron speaking there. n(stepping down asjurgen klopp >> lord cameron speaking there. n(stepping down as liverpoolopp is stepping down as liverpool manager at the end of the season. the 56 year old announced his decision with his side top of the league , saying announced his decision with his sideimportante league , saying announced his decision with his sideimportant the ague , saying announced his decision with his sideimportant the club , saying announced his decision with his sideimportant the club has/ing announced his decision with his sideimportant the club has time it's important the club has time to ensure an orderly transition . to ensure an orderly transition. liverpool revolutionised liverpool was revolutionised under his leadership, winning six trophies with the reds ,

six trophies with the reds, including the premier league title in 2020, their first win in 30 years and the champions league trophy just a year before the attorney general will consider reviewing the sentence of nottingham triple killer valdo calocane after receiving a complaint that it could be too lenient. he was given a hospital order yesterday and will likely spend the rest of his life in a high security clinic . spend the rest of his life in a high security clinic. he was found to be suffering from a severe mental illness when he killed three people with a knife before attempting to kill three others. he'd stopped taking prescribed and could prescribed medication and could hear voices in his head. prescribed medication and could hear voices in his head . three hear voices in his head. three psychiatrists agreed that a hospital order would be the best course of action. there are no obvious alternatives to replace rishi sunak as prime minister according to a new poll . ipsos according to a new poll. ipsos uk found that 42% of those who voted for the tories in 2019 have a favourable view of mr sunak, former prime minister bofis sunak, former prime minister boris johnson scored slightly more with 43. however his unfavorability was higher than

the current prime minister. it comes amid claims of a plot to oust rishi sunak before the next election, after former cabinet minister sir simon clarke called on him to resign earlier this week . and the king has been week. and the king has been admitted to hospital in london to undergo scheduled treatment for an enlarged prostate . but for an enlarged prostate. but buckingham palace says his majesty is delighted to learn that his diagnosis is having a positive impact on public health awareness . the king is also awareness. the king is also understood to have visited the princess of wales, who is recovering from abdominal surgery. palace thanked all surgery. the palace thanked all of those who've given their good wishes over the past week . this wishes over the past week. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car , on your digital in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to tom and . emily back to tom and. emily >> well, the attorney general is to consider reviewing the sentence of valdo calocane after victims families claimed justice

has not been served . has not been served. >> the 32 year old fatally stabbed nottingham students barnaby weber and grace kumar before killing school caretaker ian coates last june . well, ian coates last june. well, speaking after the sentencing , speaking after the sentencing, barnaby's mother emma questioned why he was roaming the streets in the first place. >> you have blood on your hands. if you had just done your jobs properly, there's a very good chance my beautiful boy would be alive today. there is so much more to say and clearly serious questions regarding this case and events leading up to this monster being out in society. but for today, our darling son, his dear friend grace, and a wonderfully kind grandfather, ian , have been stolen from us ian, have been stolen from us forever and let down by the very system that should have been protecting them . well there you go. >> but joining us now is our political correspondent, katherine forster catherine, uh , katherine forster catherine, uh, lots of people now calling for

an inquiry in politics, including the leader of the opposition . opposition. >> yes, that's right, sir keir starmer talking this morning supported the decision that attorney general victoria prentice is going to be reviewing this case. she's got 28 days to do that. then potentially it would be escalated to the court of appeal for judges to make a decision. forjudges to make a decision. but beyond that , he has said but beyond that, he has said that he supports a broad, broader inquiry. he said alongside the sentence i'm very worried by what appears to be a number of points at which action could have been taken. that would have prevented this happening. the family are saying that there needs to be an inquiry into that and i think they right. so a very clear they are right. so a very clear message being sent from the leader of the opposition , ian, leader of the opposition, ian, um, prime minister rishi sunak speaking yesterday . did not go speaking yesterday. did not go that far. and indeed his

spokesman was asked again about this at lunchtime . the number 10 this at lunchtime. the number 10 view is that it's right for the nhs, the police, the crown prosecution services to look back over events , look back at back over events, look back at their past. what they did, what they didn't do and learn lessons from that. so no commitment from the government at the moment to do a broader inquiry. but but very emotional of course. the parents yesterday afternoon, uh, saying that, you know, this man had got away literally with murder. that's the words of james coates , the son of the james coates, the son of the caretaker ian. several issues . caretaker ian. several issues. first of all, that he was tried and convicted of man's slaughter rather than murder . now, and convicted of man's slaughter rather than murder. now, emma webber and barnaby webber's mother said that they understood he was going to be tried for murder and it was only some five months later, little , only a day months later, little, only a day or so before the pre—trial hearing, that they were told

that wasn't the case, that it was going to be for manslaughter. instead she said that they were rushed , hastened that they were rushed, hastened and railroaded , and she felt and railroaded, and she felt that they were not consulted and that they were not consulted and that they were kept out of the loop. and then, of course , loop. and then, of course, beyond the way the cps behaved and failures, it seems, by the police and the nhs, mental health, because we know in the case of the police, he attacked a police officer. there'd been an arrest warrant out for him for months and months and months. so when emily emma webber said that the chief of police had blood on his hands, he admitted that yes, that they could have done more to find this man . and also in terms of this man. and also in terms of the nhs, he'd actually been discharged from the local mental health services team , um, health services team, um, because he had disengaged . he because he had disengaged. he wasn't taking his medication . wasn't taking his medication. and so they had sort of removed

him from their books, handed him back to the gp, and he wasn't taking his medications, which meant that he was dangerous. and went on to murder. meant that he was dangerous. and went on to murder . well, they're went on to murder. well, they're saying kill, but murder . these saying kill, but murder. these innocent people . innocent people. >> catherine, thank you so much for that summary. it is extraordinary that some of these services think he's not taking his medication anymore. therefore nothing to do with us govt pass him off. katherine forster, there are political correspondent . correspondent. >> yes. shall we speak now to the barrister kirsty brimelow kc thank you very much for joining us. uh kirsty, now one question that you might be able to help with that we that i was being asked a lot in our inbox anyway is how this man could have been convicted for, for manslaughter and then also for attempted murder at the same time. can you explain that ? explain that? >> yeah. so um, manslaughter for, um , with diminished for, um, with diminished responsibility . responsibility. >> he is , uh, it's basically a,

>> he is, uh, it's basically a, um, a partial defence. diminished responsibility is a partial defence to murder . partial defence to murder. >> and so what happened here? >> and so what happened here? >> you have somebody who suffers from paranoid schizophrenia . from paranoid schizophrenia. there's no dispute between. there's no dispute between. there was five psychiatry that examined him . three gave evidence. >> there's no dispute on the diagnosis. so the next step is if there's an abnormality of mental function of his mind , was mental function of his mind, was it such , um, that that actual it such, um, that that actual abnormality , uh, substantially abnormality, uh, substantially impaired his ability to form rational judgement , to exercise rational judgement, to exercise self—control ? self—control? >> and this is always a very crucial part, and it relies very much on the expert evidence. >> and they all agreed that that it did. >> and so therefore, the crown prosecution service , um, put prosecution service, um, put forward the, uh, count in the indictment of manslaughter , and

indictment of manslaughter, and he pleaded guilty to that. >> now, you ask a very good question on how does that fit with with, uh, also guilty pleas to attempted murder . to attempted murder. >> the and the answer to that is it's really something that needs to be sorted out in the legislation. there's no defence of diminished responsibility to attempted murder . attempted murder. >> and so it's almost like one of those anomalies. it's kind of one of those things that's not going to make much difference in a case like this. um but it doesn't make a huge amount of sense because with attempted murder, the prosecution has to prove an intention to kill. and so by the guilty plea, he's accepted. he's formulated an intention to kill , albeit on accepted. he's formulated an intention to kill, albeit on a diminished basis. but he doesn't have a partial defence of diminished responsibility . so it diminished responsibility. so it doesn't when you look at it , it doesn't when you look at it, it doesn't when you look at it, it doesn't make much, much sense. and that's because, um, the law needs reforming to make it make

more sense. >> yeah. kirsty it does seem to me and i, i was reading some, um, comment pieces about this this morning that, that almost the diminished responsibility for the charge of murder is a hangover from the era in which we had capital punishment and for some of these other, lesser crimes that wouldn't have faced a potential death sentence. you don't have that same defence of diminished risk possibility. it seems that perhaps our law hasn't caught up with the fact that we no longer have capital punishment . punishment. >> well, i think i mean, that's right. a lot of the how the common law has evolved and the statute respond in response statute was respond in response to the abolition of capital punishment. but here, here there's a specific defence when you're dealing with somebody who's very mentally ill and you get that defence which can be used in, um, other, you know, across the sort of serious criminal calendar as well. and i think a lot of the, uh, outrage here is because there's three really brutal murders . um, but

really brutal murders. um, but the question , i think, as you as the question, i think, as you as was alluded to in your piece a little earlier on, is why was somebody so dangerous actually on the streets and, and in this position and i think they certainly should be a lot of focus there . i also think focus there. i also think there's a lot of concern about there's a lot of concern about the communication with the family. there's a clear breakdown here from what they're saying in how they were spoken to and what information was given to them , and the actual to given to them, and the actual to try and understand the sentencing. i really recommend that the judges sentencing remarks, which set out all the steps and how he came to the conclusion, he came to on detention in the high security hospital. he's actually been detained at ashworth with a restriction order on it . um, detained at ashworth with a restriction order on it. um, i really recommend reading that because it does explain that. in fact, although there was an alternative to the judge of, uh, sending him to prison and he would have been in prison for a

very long time in fact, the, um, supervision and the aspect of the protection of the public would not have been dealt with in the same way as somebody who was in a high security hospital and so that was one of the factors that he looked at, considering all the psychiatric evidence, uh, which really drove him to when you read through it, it's a very logical conclusion that for the safety of the public, i mean, this man may probably will never be released, but to be released, but if he is to be released, then there has to really be a very, a very astute and acute team of mental health professionals who are deciding, um , who are managing that door. um, who are managing that door. and he would have to go through a first tier mental health tribunal, and he would also have to and this is all under the supervision of the secretary of state. and also he would have to engage engaged with engage and remain engaged with mental you mental health professionals. you don't that, i'm don't get any of that, i'm afraid. um, on release from a prison, um, even after serving, say, a minimum of, say, 15, 13,

15 years, which is, which is the minimum he would have. he would have had to serve even , say, 15, have had to serve even, say, 15, 13 years for the murder of three people, for the attempted murder of three more. >> it seems like not a particularly long sentence . particularly long sentence. yeah. and i suppose to some extent it's this it's this age old dispute between what is prison for? is it for punishment or is it for protection of the public? and i think to some extent , prison versus hospital extent, prison versus hospital seems to be sort of one side, one one leg in each argument, doesn't it? i'm afraid we have run to the end of time here. but kirsty brimelow, thank you so much. kirsty braverman kc i should say, thank you so much for talking us through the law behind interesting behind this case. stuff. case. really really good stuff. >> in other news, the >> yes. well, in other news, the king been admitted to king has been admitted to a london for treatment london hospital for treatment for enlarged prostate. well for an enlarged prostate. well al, he's also understood have al, he's also understood to have visited the princess wales, al, he's also understood to have visitecrecoveringess wales, al, he's also understood to have visitec recovering from wales, al, he's also understood to have visitec recovering from walown who's recovering from her own abdominal london abdominal surgery, at the london clinic . yes. so they're at the clinic. yes. so they're at the same hospital. our royal correspondent, cameron walker is

outside hospital. the outside that hospital. the london clinic for us. cameron tell us the very latest. the king has gone in. yet he has emily and the world's media as you can probably imagine, has descended on this hospital here. >> the london clinic in the centre of the capital, the king, accompanied by queen camilla, left house this morning left clarence house this morning and arrived here at the london clinic, where they were seen entering . but before king entering. but before the king went his own procedure, went in for his own procedure, he stopped by to visit a relative of his who is also in the hospital, the princess of wales. who who underwent abdominal surgery at the beginning of last week, is expected to remain in hospital for a few more days yet before convalescing for three months at home windsor. it is quite home in windsor. it is quite rare, actually, for members of the royal family to visit each other in hospital. but of course the king was coming anyway, so perhaps that was something to do with it. but it does kind of symbolise the unity, perhaps between the king and his daughter in law, the princess of wales but he's having

wales too. but he's having treatment we heard last week, treatment as we heard last week, for enlarged prostate. it's for an enlarged prostate. it's incredibly members of incredibly rare for members of the family discuss the royal family to discuss private details. the private medical details. the reason the king to do so reason the king wanted to do so was try and encourage others was to try and encourage others his or perhaps slightly his age or perhaps slightly longer, to check their symptoms and checked by a medical and get checked by a medical professional if necessary . so professional if necessary. so this morning, buckingham palace released statement they released a statement where they said majesty would like to said his majesty would like to thank those who have sent thank all those who have sent their good wishes over the past week is delighted to learn week and is delighted to learn that his diagnosis is having a positive impact on public health awareness. now we don't know how long his majesty is going to be inside the hospital receiving treatment. we also don't know exactly what treatment is being received by his majesty, but we do know that the king was very keen to keep calm and carrying on. so, for example, yesterday at sandringham in norfolk, he did undertake a number of private engagements. he he was received by, uh, well , a received by, uh, well, a university of cambridge director was received by the king and a whistle laboratory professor was

also received by the king at sandringham earlier this week, the king and queen were filmed lighting a candle for holocaust memorial day. but of course, now, as he's in the hospital receiving his treatment and of course, post treatment, those immediate engagements have been either cancelled or postponed, as we're led to believe the queen is still inside the hospital. we're not sure whether she's going to make, um, a private exit or a private exit or not. we'll have to wait and see if there's any news later on, but i suspect we're not going to hear much in the way of detail from buckingham palace any time soon, until the king is safely , has undertaken safely, has safely undertaken his procedure indeed is out his procedure and indeed is out of hospital . of hospital. >> well, walker, thank >> well, cameron walker, thank you very much for bringing us the latest there. and of the very latest there. and of course, our best wishes for everyone news. to the everyone here at gb news. to the king indeed the princess of king and indeed the princess of wales too. king and indeed the princess of waiof too. king and indeed the princess of waiof course. but, uh, coming >> of course. but, uh, coming up, the international court of justice is ordering israel to take to prevent genocide take steps to prevent genocide in but crucially , it has in gaza. but crucially, it has stopped short of ordering a

ceasefire. we've also got a response from the israeli prime minister the foreign minister, as well, to bring you the very latest after this short .

p.m. only on gb news, the people's channel, britain's news channel. >> well, as we've been reporting, the international court of justice is ordering israel to take steps to prevent genocide in gaza. but crucially,

it has stopped short of ordering a ceasefire . a ceasefire. >> well, south africa brought the case to the un's top court , the case to the un's top court, believing israel's response to the 7th of october attacks was in breach of the un's genocide convention. but israel has a month to respond to the hague based court and, crucially, south africa didn't didn't win a full victory in this interim judgement. >> yes . so joining us now is gb >> yes. so joining us now is gb news security editor, mark white. mark, i understand that israeli representatives , israeli representatives, including the prime minister, have already spoken out on this. >> yes, i mean, they've been completely dismissing this because of course , what the because of course, what the upshot of this ruling by the international court of justice today is , is a more substantive , today is, is a more substantive, longer termm hearing in which the israeli government agent will be accused of genocide in gaza and that a court case where these allegations will be made oven these allegations will be made over, not just months, but years

. and there is real anger, i think, in israel at that particular move , we heard from particular move, we heard from the prime minister benjamin netanyahu, a short time ago , the netanyahu, a short time ago, the charge of genocide levelled against israel is not only false, it's outrageous and decent people everywhere should reject it. >> on the eve of the international holocaust remembrance day, i again pledge as israel's prime minister, not never again. >> israel will continue to defend itself against hamas, a genocidal terror organisation. on october 7th, hamas perpetrated the most horrific atrocities against the jewish people since the holocaust, and it vows to repeat these atrocities again and again and again . again. >> and that's a point that benjamin netanyahu and other government ministers are making, that the only people really that are, uh , can be stand accused of are, uh, can be stand accused of committing genocide or wanting to commit genocide . are hamas

to commit genocide. are hamas with the avowed aim that they have of pushing israel right out of that country and, uh, leading to the extermination of , uh, of to the extermination of, uh, of israel and the people of israel? um, we heard from the court a little earlier, uh, they while saying that the, the government of israel has to take steps to avoid genocide taking place and has to do more to help the people of gaza by getting more in the way of humanitarian aid. they stopped short of calling for an immediate ceasefire to the court. >> is also of the view that israel must take measures within its power to prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to commit genocide in relation to commit genocide in relation to the members of the palestinian group in the gaza strip . strip. >> well, of course it was south africa that brought this case to the international court of

justice. and that key aim, of course, of the south african government was for a ruling , course, of the south african government was for a ruling, uh, an immediate ceasefire to be called for by the court. and as i say, in the end, the court decided to stop short of that particular demand. having said that, the uh, south african representative outside the hague, uh, tried to accentuate the positive . the positive. >> all member states of the united nations have attached their signatures to a range of instruments . but when lives are instruments. but when lives are threatened and these instruments are not brought to bear and south africa had the view that we could not stand idly by and continue to observe the killing of thousands of palestinian citizens who had no role in the awful act of hostage taking and killing that was done by hamas .

killing that was done by hamas. >> well , what the israeli >> well, what the israeli government say in response to thatis government say in response to that is that, you know, they are not targeting civilians , but it not targeting civilians, but it is hamas who are cynically placing their terrorist infrastructure, their rocket launchers, command and control facilities right in the heart of civilian areas in gaza . and as civilian areas in gaza. and as a result, of course, when israel is prosecuting this war, going after hamas , then there are after hamas, then there are civilian casualties. israel says that's to be, uh, regretted . but that's to be, uh, regretted. but they say also that they go out of their way to do much more than any other military in the world has done to avoid civilian casualties with the likes of leaflet drops warning off impending air strikes , of impending air strikes, of telephone calls , uh, what they telephone calls, uh, what they call knocks as well , where they call knocks as well, where they send a precaution, charge down on top of buildings. and of course, setting up, um, humanity

corridors to allow civilians to get out of the path of an impending strike. so israel will have been given, according to the international court of justice , a month to abide by justice, a month to abide by what the international court of justice say are a number of steps to ensure ensure that there is no risk of genocide in gaza. there is no risk of genocide in gaza . but already at this stage , gaza. but already at this stage, israel rejecting the findings of this court, mark it seems to me just very briefly that the icj has almost taken the british position here, that israel has a right to defend itself against hamas, but must do so within international law, that those calling for an immediate ceasefire have really suffered a defeat. >> today. >> today. >> well, except for that key point, which is to acknowledge that the allegations made by the south african government that there was genocide that had been committed by israel is plausible

and therefore , as far as the icj and therefore, as far as the icj is concerned, does require a more protracted , substantive more protracted, substantive court case that, as i say, will run into years. so from that point of view, uh, israel is going to stand accused in the un's highest court of genocide, a case that will be argued for many months and years ahead. >> mhm. well thank you very much indeed, mark white for bringing us the very latest gb news securing editor. of course , as well. >> coming up, we're going to be joined by our panel. this as the attorney general victoria prentice calls for a review into the sentencing of triple killer osvaldo calocane. before that , osvaldo calocane. before that, your headlines with sofia . your headlines with sofia. thanks tom. >> it's 231. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. the un's top

court has ordered israel to take measures to prevent genocide and punish those who incite it in its war in gaza, a large majority of the 17 judge panel voted for urgent measures but fell noticeably short of ordering a halt to military action in gaza. instead the court ordered israel to refrain from any acts that could fall under the genocide convention. israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu, says israel won't be deterred from defending itself if the charge of genocide levelled against israel is not only false, it's outrage , joyous only false, it's outrage, joyous and decent people everywhere should reject it. >> on the eve of the international holocaust remembrance day, i again pledge, as israel's prime minister never again israel will continue to defend itself against hamas as a genocidal terror organisation . genocidal terror organisation. on october 7th, hamas perpetrated the most horrific atrocities against the jewish people since the holocaust and it vows to repeat these atrocities again and again and

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news . news. >> good afternoon britain. it's 22 minutes to three and some of you might have noticed some extra pounds on your paycheque this month, with millions of brits benefiting from national insurance cuts. yes. >> so a reduction in the basic rate of national insurance was announced in the chancellor's latest budget , and conservative latest budget, and conservative chair richard holden has told gb news that there's more to come. ooh, hey, hey . well, gb news ooh, hey, hey. well, gb news business and economics editor liam halligan joins us now with on the money . on the money. >> liam, what does this tax cut actually mean for people up and down the country ? down the country? >> well, it is actually a quite significant tax cut, tom and emily, it was announced, uh, in the autumn, the autumn statement . the government's bringing it in. not at the start of the new tax year, which is in april. they're bringing it in now in

order to try and some build some momentum. um, ahead of the election, that there are tax cutting party if they tax cut coming in now, another one in the budget and then the march budget and then another one, perhaps in another financial statement in the autumn before a general election, can we are election, they can say we are the party low tax and labour the party of low tax and labour can say no, and we can all try and read the runes and decipher what actually saying. what they're actually saying. let's a look this let's have a look at this particular tax cut, this reduction in national insurance. i've because it i've got a graphic because it wouldn't same for on wouldn't be the same for an on the hit without a graphic the money hit without a graphic would we have would would it. so here we have national it's paid by national insurance. it's paid by those more than £12,750 those earning more than £12,750 a year . that those earning more than £12,750 a year. that is the basic , those earning more than £12,750 a year . that is the basic , um, a year. that is the basic, um, threshold. but on self—employed, if you're self—employed, you have to make annual profits over £6,725. then you start paying employee national insurance . now employee national insurance. now here's the tax cut . the national here's the tax cut. the national insurance rate is falling . the insurance rate is falling. the main rate from 12 to 10. so that's a pretty chunky fall. and for the average employee , that

for the average employee, that means a saving of £450 a year. so not nothing by any means, but lower than the proverbial kick in the teeth. it's worth saying, though, that if you are self—employed, as many of us are, then you'll have to wait until april before those lower national insurance uh, rates apply national insurance uh, rates apply to you . but for the vast apply to you. but for the vast majority of us earning paye, you'll see the impact in your paycheque this month and you're paying paycheque this month and you're paying 2% less national insurance worth about £450 a yeah insurance worth about £450 a year. well liam, thank you very much for explaining all of that to us. >> it's, uh , i suppose, yeah, as >> it's, uh, i suppose, yeah, as you say, better than a kick in the teeth. well, i understand is why you pay national insurance if you're self—employed. >> it applies if you make 6000, that's profits . profits. that's in profits. profits. >> so you will be making more overall. >> yeah i understand that. but it seems less than, uh , 12,750, it seems less than, uh, 12,750, right? yeah and self—employed do get shafted . get shafted. >> they do. but i remember when they equalised the level of national insurance and income

tax to 12,500 did liberally or otherwise . these self—employed otherwise. these self—employed were left out of that, perhaps just because it was cheaper to leave the self—employed out. >> yeah, they didn't get the they didn't get the, uh, the various furloughs and all the covid payments and all that. they were a bit shafted, actually. but joining us now is author broadcaster amy author and broadcaster amy nicholl turner and the former ukip leader, henry boulton. and i to away i think we want to turn away from tax however, welcome from tax cuts. however, welcome they uh, to icj they may be, uh, to the icj ruling. the international court of justice and their ruling there stopped short of calling for a ceasefire. yeah. mm. >> yes. henry yeah. um, no , the >> yes. henry yeah. um, no, the whole thing , i mean, obviously whole thing, i mean, obviously there is massive international concern about what's going on in gaza. and i'll tell you where i am on this, because right at the beginning, we've got the hamas attack on israel on the 7th of october, the most barbed , sick, october, the most barbed, sick, disgusting, depraved , covid disgusting, depraved, covid attack imaginable. and i absolutely, 100% supported the state of israel in responding in

the way that they did. however, as things have developed and i've said this on social media, i've said this on social media, i doubt that the israeli government and benjamin netanyahu read my social media posts . but anyway, i have said posts. but anyway, i have said that i've become increasingly concerned about the amount of ordnance that they've been throwing at gaza, because i know from my experience in the military that targets are precision targeting based, intelligence led, if you like, is a resource intensive thing in the intelligence side, the operation side , and then you've operation side, and then you've got to issue the orders. you decide what sort of munition to use . how are you going to use. how are you going to deliver that. what units are going to be responsible for that? you've got the orders that? you've got all the orders processed there now to do that at level the of at the level with the amount of ordnance has been ordnance that israel has been throwing put it throwing at gaza, i'll put it out there. i just don't believe that they've been doing that, because think nato that they've been doing that, bectthe think nato that they've been doing that, bectthe capacity:hink nato that they've been doing that, bectthe capacity t01k nato that they've been doing that, bectthe capacity to do nato that they've been doing that, bectthe capacity to do that nato that they've been doing that, bectthe capacity to do that ,ato that they've been doing that, bectthe capacity to do that , um, has the capacity to do that, um, at that level of ordnance. so i then draw the conclusion. well, actually, this area actually, some of this is area weaponry . they're sort actually, some of this is area weaponry. they're sort dumb weaponry. they're sort of dumb bombs. if you like, they're

bombs. and if you like, they're going for old recorded targets, which may be intelligence recorded ago, but recorded some time ago, but they're a lot less precise. >> but they're well, you don't necessarily know what you're hitting. >> and some of them may be less precise. so i've become increasingly concerned about that. think one of the that. and i think one of the israelis certainly had the moral upper ground , higher ground. and upper ground, higher ground. and i think they have gradually started lose that through started to lose that through a growing awareness of this sort of problem. and south africa's got its own diplomatic and reasons for initiating this, this, this court case. but um, but nonetheless, i think it is time for the israelis to start rowing back a bit on the amount of ordnance that they've been throwing at gaza. it looks as though this is a demolition job, rather than a precision. we're going after hamas. that said , going after hamas. that said, just finally, if i may, yes, just finally, if i may, yes, just i know again, from my own experience that going after a target like hamas, which blends into the population often is incredibly difficult . and they

incredibly difficult. and they play incredibly difficult. and they play on that, they use that and they are using the civilian population as, as, as a sort of shield, if you like. and that again indicates how evil and depraved they are. but you know, it is it is for the good guys. if you like to maintain the moral high ground. and i would apply moral high ground. and i would apply that to the british army, british military, the american anybody. >> israel is no longer doing that may no longer i think they are being little bit careless are being a little bit careless about how they do that. >> i think generally they're trying . but but trying to be precision. but but in practice, no, are you in practice, no, amy, are you are you disappointed in how limited has been limited this ruling has been from the international court of justice ? justice? >> emu justice? >> i think it's a >> i think i think it's a victory, actually for south africa what they've said africa because what they've said is stop the killing, allow humanitarian aid in due to the risk of genocide . risk of genocide. >> and so if things continue , if >> and so if things continue, if the action continues in the way that it has, it will equal genocide. so it's changed the whole and the case has been kept open. so if they're not seen to change their action and, and things pursue it, then it will

be investigated . so i think the be investigated. so i think the say that south africa has not been successful is just plain wrong . and they've commented wrong. and they've commented completely on the collective punishment of gaza , and they've punishment of gaza, and they've condemned it for being against international law. and if things continue in the way they are, it won't be it won't be deemed correct . correct. >> but amy, you're someone who's called for a ceasefire. well, in this conflict, well, that's not what the icj have done today. a partial victory for south africa. but they were hoping that that the icj would call for a ceasefire today. and they've stopped short of that. >> see, on on monday, i actually ended up meeting the families of some of the hostages and this changed my mind a lot, actually. i i think what needs to be prioritised is to release those hostages . and that cannot happen hostages. and that cannot happen with the military situation as it is. if, um , how many people, it is. if, um, how many people, 25,000 people, 10,000 people under rubble, 25,000 people being killed at 1% of the

population has been killed, 50% of the infrastructure completely levelled. how how does that suggest any justice for those the families of those hostages? surely that needs to be prioritise before anything else and removing hamas is rather than this what appears to be completely, um , just levelling completely, um, just levelling up the whole. and yet henry , up the whole. and yet henry, these hostages are still being kept. >> tunnels keep being discovered. i remember seeing it was either yesterday or the day before. a huge long tunnel where hostages they found had been kept there before being moved on. you can almost see the bind that people in the israeli government are in. clearly, i think some members of the israeli government would like to flatten gaza, but there are others who wouldn't. >> i agree entirely . and >> i agree entirely. and actually, you know, i think benjamin netanyahu's days are numbered. i think , you know, numbered. i think, you know, he's incredibly unpopular in other respects in israel and

indeedin other respects in israel and indeed in the conduct of the war. there are a lot of people who who think he's going too far with this, um, in israel. but but, um, i think you know, we look at hamas , i've you heard my look at hamas, i've you heard my condemnation earlier. um, my concerns about israel and i agree, i think that the icj have been actually quite wise. they've sort of reflected my own opinion on this. there's great concern you need to rein back a bit if you don't. well, we've got to start asking what your real are. and looking at real motives are. and looking at that looking at the that and indeed looking at the humanitarian situation. humanitarian hostage situation. but think that what's but i think that what's really important notice note is important to notice to note is that it's not just israel and hamas who bear some responsibility conduct responsibility for the conduct of this. i the united nations. one of the reasons they've got very little influence on this is because unwra , the united because unwra, the united nafions because unwra, the united nations worked relief agency in in gaza that has basically been supposedly managing and overseeing the supply of , of, of overseeing the supply of, of, of aid and construction material and everything else to gaza, to the palestinians in gaza, as a if you like, a neutral third

party have, i think , utterly party have, i think, utterly failed. yes, they've been delivering education and health care and all these very good things. but at the same time, i think they have been captured by hamas. that hamas. they have known that these cannot believe these tunnels. i cannot believe for a moment i used to work for the united nations. i can't believe moment that they believe for a moment that they didn't going on didn't know what was going on with the tunnels, hamas. with the tunnels, with hamas. hamas everything there. hamas runs everything in there. you a run, a you want to build a run, a building a construction building company, a construction company. you get your concrete through cement, through your cement, through hamas. you get your pipes through hamas, and water pipes that by that have been delivered by the unwra not known unwra cannot have not known about where was the about this. so where was the international community in this? where is the international community been in terms of the settlements bank? settlements in the west bank? where international where is the international community been with the iranian army hamas, where is very army of hamas, where is very selective. >> you're saying i'm saying that we failed . we have all failed. >> yeah, the israelis and >> yeah, both the israelis and the palestinians and ourselves in this. >> shall we move on? because we were talking earlier about this execution in alabama of this man . and it's it prompted a quite impassioned debate that we held

earlier about whether capital punishment is something that we'd like to see back in this country or not. now, i feel very bit yucky about it, to be honest. if that's the word, i don't, i don't think i would i would want to bring it back. but, uh, amy, what do you think? because every time there is a serial killer in the news or a convicted paedophile , um, and convicted paedophile, um, and horrific, horrendous crimes like that, many, many people get in touch saying this is the type of crime i'd like to see. capital punishment brought back for. i think we are civilised . think we are civilised. >> we are beyond that. this isn't even a question we should be asking. of course we shouldn't endorse capital punishment . shouldn't endorse capital punishment. um, i just i don't punishment. um, ijust i don't know what more i can say, really. it'sjust. really. it's just. >> well, really. it'sjust. >> well, ann widdecombe said earlier . she >> well, ann widdecombe said earlier. she said it is the ultimate deterrent and it's the only way to keep people entirely. 100, if that . entirely. 100, if that. >> if that were the case, there wouldn't be hundreds and hundreds of people on death row in america. it's not a deterrent

. it's not a deterrent. across the world. >> henry. barbaric. i i say this having seen that we were talking about it earlier, seen somebody executed at and uh, and i've seen many people killed in my, in my military and. >> no. >> no. >> did you see someone executed in kosovo? >> oh, wow. and i, i the thing is that it's very easy to talk about executing people from , about executing people from, from the comfort of one's living room or a national assembly or parliament somewhere, or a legislature somewhere, actually see it. it's a repugnant thing and it stays with you. and i just thought, and this particular case, this individual who has committed a heinous crime and i understand the emotive side of it, wanting to the family want retribution. the, the state, the country, the, the structure does want to send a loud message here for deterrent or other effect. i get all that. um, but but um, the

reality of it is that this man , reality of it is that this man, i think six times they tried to inject him at previously, it didn't work. and now nitrogen. now, as i understand it, it is incredibly painful. death death by nitrogen. it burns up all the muscle, all all the muscles in your body. you know, the heart, everything. you die in absolute agony. maybe that's what people want to achieve . i, i can't , i want to achieve. i, i can't, i can't accept this. i can't go along with it. i get it that lee rigby's murderers . yes. that's rigby's murderers. yes. that's you . fine. if. if we bring it you. fine. if. if we bring it back for something that's entirely unquestionable , i would entirely unquestionable, i would say. well, make sure you're killing in a civilised manner. doesn't exist. but. but that it's quick , it's sharp, it's it's quick, it's sharp, it's done. it's quick, it's sharp, it's done . and yet not in this. done. and yet not in this. >> this isn't this what the french tried to do in the french revolution? the reason that the guillotine became became this symbol of the revolution. it's

not. it's because it was seen to be. oh, this. we're very civilised . we're not. we're not civilised. we're not. we're not going to hang people. we're not going to hang people. we're not going to hang people. we're not going to behead people and axe. we're going to do this in a mechanised and civilised way. and then what happened? was it became almost routine thing became an almost routine thing to thought they to do because they thought they were civilised. is were being oh so civilised. is there perhaps a risk in. and of course, guillotine today seems course, a guillotine today seems to as barbaric . but back when to us as barbaric. but back when it was first used, it was it was first being used, it was the peak of modern technology. people for long. people didn't suffer for long. you people hacking you didn't have people hacking people's heads for off a very long. yeah, it almost became mechanised and disassociated from people. >> i don't think there's ever any situation where you can have absolutely no doubt. and we've seen in cases in america where after years on row after so many years on death row , people have been found to have not committed crime. i not even committed the crime. i think brought back think if you brought back something would something like this, it would disproportionately people disproportionately harm people of who can't afford of lower means who can't afford that get way through that to get their way through the criminal justice system. i just idea . just it's a horrible idea. >> i think, just to say it's quite interesting, though, amy, because i would agree with you

that i don't want to bring back capital punishment or the guillotine, but it is interesting because it is interesting because when it is polled country, a of polled in this country, a lot of people it in the case people do support it in the case when there are specifically about who who it would be given to, it would be so for paedophiles, and paedophiles, terrorists and serial killers, maybe rapists as well . well. >> people are actually in favour of it , but majority >> people are actually in favour of it, but majority aren't >> people are actually in favour of it , but majority aren't they? of it, but majority aren't they? >> it's surely a knee jerk reaction because they're just faced these horrors faced with these horrors of these actually these crimes. when you actually think somebody would think about it, somebody would have to have that as a job. somebody to actually somebody would have to actually do to those people. do that action to those people. who who's that going to be? >> well, i mean, back in the day, executioners would have to sort of wear masks over their heads. they weren't identified. >> sorry, if i the thing in >> sorry, if i may, the thing in kosovo just because otherwise >> sorry, if i may, the thing in kosov> sorry, if i may, the thing in kosov> sorry, if i may, the thing in kosov> sorry, if i may, the thing in kosov

individual was, was executed by his captors. right. and his albanian captors. right. and so it was a it was part to do with the kosovo conflict. >> well, thank you for clarifying that . but clarifying clarify that. but important but wonder important to do. but i wonder very this . why don't very finely on this. why don't we have i don't think we've got time. >> tom, for a final thought. oh no. no we've got about 10s. so we're going to thank our panel, rewatch the green mile and the former ukip leader henry bolton. um, up next, it is, course , um, up next, it is, of course, martin daubney. we'll be martin daubney. but we'll be back on monday. oh, and i'm covering for jobs tonight, so thank you for that. six as well. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello again. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast. a beautiful blue skies out there for many of us and it stays clear in the south overnight where it will be chilly, but it remains blustery further this further north and this north—south divide continues into the weekend with low pressure towards the far north

sending some weather fronts into the north and northwest scotland. showers or longer spells of rain continuing overnight here, along with a gusty wind and a lot of cloud for scotland, northern ireland northern england 1 or 2 showers in these places, but actually for much of the uk, away from the far north, it's a dry and clear night and with light winds in the a few mist and fog in the south a few mist and fog patches are possible . first patches are possible. first thing this weekend and it will be thing be chilly. first thing temperatures degree or three temperatures are degree or three below freezing in some sheltered parts of southern and south—east england, but that's where the best of the sunshine will be for much of england and wales. southern and eastern scotland also some bright spells. also seeing some bright spells. but and northwest but for the north and northwest of outbreaks of rain of scotland, outbreaks of rain and gale force winds , with gusts and gale force winds, with gusts of or even 70 miles an hour, of 60 or even 70 miles an hour, increasingly cloudy into the afternoon and increasingly breezy, but most places will see temperatures up at 910 celsius or so. so relatively mild. afternoon sunday starts off with cloudier conditions and windier conditions nationwide.

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>> good afternoon and happy fri day. >> friday. >> it's 3 pm. welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news broadcasting live from the heart of westminster all across the uk. now very shortly to kick things off, we hear live things off, we will hear live from manager jurgen from liverpool managerjurgen klopp. , we're going klopp. in fact, we're going there now. here's there right now. here's jurgen klopp . klopp. >> if you could raise your hand , >> if you could raise your hand, integrated gas and then turn selected, please let us know who you are and which company you representing. >> keith ewing good afternoon . >> keith ewing good afternoon. >> keith ewing good afternoon. >> good to see you. >>— >> good to see you. >> um , you love your football. >> um, you love your football. >> um, you love your football. >> you love the club. you love liverpool. so why are you so convinced this is the right decision for you? >> oh, i thought i said that in the. >> and the other. what is it statement or interview or whatever we had . um with . all whatever we had. um with. all the responsibility you have in this job and, and these kind of things, you have to be absolute top of your own game. that's how it um, but i'm it is. and i am, um, but i'm doing this for 24 years now. and

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