the headlines right now. hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours . we'll be course it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled . so one will be cancelled. so joining me in the next hour, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy, and also former labour party adviser matthew lazar in a few moments time we will be mocking the week. but first let's get your latest news headunes. headlines. >> good afternoon. it's 3:00. i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom . queen camilla has newsroom. queen camilla has visited the king in hospital as he recovers from a procedure for an enlarged prostate . we can see an enlarged prostate. we can see now live pictures of the london clinic where the king. these are not live. actually there you can see queen camilla leaving the hospital. after that visit the king had been resting for a second day after receiving treatment. buckingham palace

says king charles is doing well . says king charles is doing well. it's the same hospital where the princess of wales is being cared for following abdominal surgery. charles's former butler, grant harrold, told gb news the british public's response to the royal health scares show how much they still care. people always say he was a centric. >> he was old fashioned, out of touch.i >> he was old fashioned, out of touch. i never saw that when i worked and i think worked for him and i think that's the are that's what the public are getting that's why getting to see, and that's why there's this affection. so the fact he having this fact that he is having this procedure obviously the public want to kind of let them know that them. that they're thinking of them. and princess of and the same with princess of wales. been wales. i understand there's been many, , many letters many, many, many letters and cards to her wishing her cards sent to her wishing her the of health. the best of health. >> the uk is pausing funding for the united nations gaza aid group following allegations that staff participated in the october seven attacks. the foreign office says the uk is appalled by the allegations that unrwa staff were involved in the heinous act of terrorism that the uk government has repeatedly condemned the uk is suspending

any future funding as our finland, the us, italy , finland, the us, italy, australia and canada following a review, representatives from the gaza relief agency have pleaded with allies to reverse the decision. however, a spokesperson for the foreign office says we remain committed to getting humanitarian aid to the people of gaza who desperately need it . a blaze on desperately need it. a blaze on a british linked oil tanker in the gulf of aden has been put out after firefighting efforts continued through the night. out after firefighting efforts continued through the night . the continued through the night. the marlin lander went up in flames on friday after it was targeted by houthi rebels. a blaze in the ship's cargo tank was extinguished with the help of indian, us and french navy vessels. all crew are reported to be safe , the ministry of to be safe, the ministry of defence will neither confirm nor deny plans for the uk to house us nuclear weapons. deny plans for the uk to house us nuclear weapons . pentagon us nuclear weapons. pentagon documents seen by the telegraph reportedly detail how raf lakenheath in suffolk will house the nuclear warheads . it follows

the nuclear warheads. it follows warnings from a senior nato official that countries should ready for war with moscow within the next 20 years. a spokesperson for the ministry of defence says it remains a long standing uk and nato policy to neither confirm nor deny the presence of nuclear weapons at a given location . customers at 54 given location. customers at 54 branches of barclays bank could face disruption this weekend. the palestine solidarity campaign has been organising various protests sites across the country, accusing the firm of bankrolling israel in its war with hamas. they're urging barclays customers to stop using the bank. barclays has been approached for comment . up to approached for comment. up to 11,000 staff working for john lewis and waitrose could lose their jobs over the next five years. that's according to the guardian newspaper. they're reporting that the john lewis partnership, which owns the stores, is considering cuts to at least 10% of its workforce . at least 10% of its workforce. it's thought that the measures could affect staff in its head

office, supermarkets and department stores. last year, the retailer warned it would have to cut staff numbers and scrap bonuses after customers cut back on their spending in a legal challenge is being launched to stop a new government law, which would prevent or limit border force strike action. the new legislation aims to ensure minimum service levels during industrial action by allowing employers to order staff back to work . the public and commercial work. the public and commercial services union says it will make the challenge under article 11 of the european convention on human rights. of the european convention on human rights . scotland's first human rights. scotland's first minister has made an urgent plea to unite against hate on the occasion of holocaust memorial day. in a video posted on x, humza yousaf says together we remember the millions of lives cut short with the utmost cruelty and brutality. well known landmarks will be lit up in purple across the uk later. to mark the occasion, members of the public are also being encouraged to light a candle and

place it in their window. 94 year old holocaust survivor bernard often says hate affects everyone. >> the holocaust happened because of hatred of others . because of hatred of others. let's be clear about that particular for jews. let's be clear about that particular forjews. okay let's be clear about that particular for jews. okay so we're number one on the on the hit list, but you know, there are other people on the hit list also muslims and indians and others and others . so anti it is others and others. so anti it is anti—human in to be anti semitic i >> -- >> this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car , on digital on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now let's get to . let's get to. nana. >> thank you ray . it's just

>> thank you ray. it's just coming up to seven minutes after after 3:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua coming up. i'll be mucking the week and speaking to mystifier uri geller to get an update on what's happening in israel and thoughts on israel and his thoughts on holocaust memorial day . then at holocaust memorial day. then at 320, climate control where 320, it's climate control where i pick the debate around the climate with uk in an climate with the uk in an election year , which political election year, which political party you think is best party do you think is best placed tackle the climate placed to tackle the climate crisis? then, at 3.35, pam spurr will be live to discuss the new marriage figures as over half of brits now don't want to tie the knot. brits now don't want to tie the knot . but can getting married knot. but can getting married boost your health? and for my political spotlight , andrew political spotlight, andrew dinsmore, he is there to shine a light this week as he joins me to how the situation to discuss how the situation where he got mugged , which led where he got mugged, which led him to start the influential petition that led to the government banning zombie knives. that's coming up in the next hour . tell me what you next hour. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. gb discussing. email gb views at gb news. com or tweet me at . gb

news. com or tweet me at. gb news. com or tweet me at. gb news. but first. but first it's time to mock the week. and what a busy old week it's been. i start on the exciting development. yes, that is me. i launched my new royal roundup show on gbn america, the fabulous lizzie cundy and pandora were part of my royal panel and we discussed all things royal, from the king's enlarged prostate to catherine surgery and the sad news of sarah ferguson's cancer diagnosis . lizzie will be diagnosis. lizzie will be joining at i also got joining me at four. i also got to see rishi sunak in person at a business lunch . he kind of a business lunch. he kind of elbowed us out of the way, i'll be honest. i think perhaps he remembered my where's rishi monologue, ended up monologue, where he ended up being the table because being under the table because it's show there for the it's a small show there for the great debate four, great british debate at four, we'll discussing we'll actually be discussing whether of leader will whether a change of leader will save tories . rishi spoke save the tories. rishi spoke at the other guests were the lunch. other guests were theresa may and richard harrington , conservative peer harrington, conservative peer also conservative mayoral

candidate suzanne hall all on the guest list. it was very grand. apparently boris was there too, but i missed him. he left early and i was invited to the british friends of the art museums of israel for the beacon of light dinner and art auction held at the dorchester ballroom in collaboration with sotheby's . in collaboration with sotheby's. very posh, i must say. the evening was, though, to raise funds for a museum destroyed in the october 7th massacre and i got to meet one of the survivors who actually hid in a safe room. an incredible lady. olly london was there as well. it's part of the work he's doing. be the work he's doing. he'll be joining me later on in the show to course, holocaust to discuss, of course, holocaust memorial alongside memorial memorial day, alongside rabbi jonathan romain. we'll be talking about what that day means to the jewish community in difficult conversation . and as difficult conversation. and as you marks that day, you know, today marks that day, the world holocaust day . and the world holocaust day. and it's a time to remember the millions people died millions of people who died dunng millions of people who died during holocaust nazi during the holocaust under nazi persecution. this is the persecution. and this is the first memorial since the first memorial day since the horrific october the 7th attack. the commemoration this year is more poignant and relevant than

ever before, so joining me from israel to discuss is mystifier uri geller . israel to discuss is mystifier uri geller. bet—zuri where's uri geller? he was here. or he would be. is he coming? uri geller i've given him a big lead up. be. is he coming? uri geller i've given him a big lead up . so i've given him a big lead up. so where is he? we'll be talking to uri in just a moment's time. and aslef for the usual way. get in touch. vaiews@gbnews.com or tweet me at gb news. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio, so we're still waiting. i think we've got him. yes. uri geller i'll give you a big build up then. you weren't there. oh, lovely to talk to you again. um thank you. talk to me. thank you. nana i mean, obviously we can talk about the day. holocaust memorial day . but holocaust memorial day. but shall we start with south africa and the situation , uh, with the and the situation, uh, with the international courts ? well, i international courts? well, i mean , first of all, yes, it is mean, first of all, yes, it is today, if you please allow me to say this. >> but before this just came in

on my phone , um, directly from on my phone, um, directly from gaza , it's in hebrew. and this gaza, it's in hebrew. and this is what it says , thousands of is what it says, thousands of gazans are being evacuated from han yunis and all of them are crying out in demonstration in to collapse hamas. wow they had enough.the to collapse hamas. wow they had enough. the gazan people had enough. the gazan people had enough from the misery. hamas is creating for them. this is un unseen before local gazan population are shouting and demonstrating to eradicate hamas from their lives . and this is from their lives. and this is just in unbelievable . wow. nana. just in unbelievable. wow. nana. you know, as you said, today is, uh, in international holocaust remembrance day . this is the day remembrance day. this is the day when . in 1945, auschwitz was when. in 1945, auschwitz was liberated, 6 million jews were

murdered in the holocaust. this is where the word genocide came from. remember genocide. now let me tell you about the mood in israel yesterday , on the eve of israel yesterday, on the eve of holocaust remembrance day , the holocaust remembrance day, the un's top court disgraced itself by going along with an anti—semitic accusation that israel might be committing genocide in gaza . you know, the genocide in gaza. you know, the un has sunk to a new moral low. let me just remind you that this case is a charade. the us , so case is a charade. the us, so britain says so . and germany, britain says so. and germany, which knows exactly what genocide is . germany says so genocide is. germany says so too. the only side which should be on trial for genocide is hamas . it be on trial for genocide is hamas. it openly says it wants to murder millions of jews in

israel. it has openly boasted about murdering over 1200 jews on the 7th of october, and has vowed that this is the important yean vowed that this is the important year, vowed to do it over again and over again. kill all jews and over again. kill all jews and nana. please let me remind you there is no genocide happening to the palestinian people. the population of gaza has gone up more than six times in the past 50 years, and if you're wondering what this scooter is behind me , um, you scooter is behind me, um, you all recognise the vespa ? i all recognise the vespa? i bought this vespa when i was 16 and living in cyprus , where the and living in cyprus, where the greeks were killing the british soldiers . the turks were killing soldiers. the turks were killing the greeks . nana. i've seen wars the greeks. nana. i've seen wars . when i was 11 years old in cyprus . i've seen brains blown cyprus. i've seen brains blown apart. i was in the six—day war. i know what war is. and like i

said last time , sadly, said last time, sadly, tragically, a lot of civilians get killed in war. now one more important thing i would like to mention something that the civilian casualties in gaza , if civilian casualties in gaza, if you trust the hamas figures, more than 26,000 people have been killed . that's what hamas been killed. that's what hamas says. but was hamas doesn't tell you is that more than 9000 of those are terror lists, not civilians , but armed terrorists civilians, but armed terrorists that figure comes from idf . that figure comes from idf. israel is doing everything it can nana to avoid civilian casualties and our own soldiers, our soldiers put themselves in harm's way to do this. our soldiers put themselves in harm's way to do this . do you harm's way to do this. do you know nana, that over 200 israeli soldiers have been killed in this war? that is an unbearable number. but israel is united. we are strong and we will fight this war to the end, because , this war to the end, because, nana we have no other choice . no

nana we have no other choice. no other choice. yeah i know you've given me those figures as well. >> i mean, some would say that the larger proportion of those figures, though, are civilians, even though, say, 9000 even though, as you say, 9000 from are, um, hamas from idf figures are, um, hamas soldiers and fighters. just to put the other side across. but it is heartening to hear that the people who are there in gaza are now calling for hamas to stop as well. and i really hope that that that means that we can actually start moving forward and stopping this war. >> so, yeah , the photos are >> so, yeah, the photos are coming in, uh, that israel has never actually seen such demonstrations of local gazan people, men , women, children are people, men, women, children are all holding banners and shouting , get rid of hamas, destroy them! we want to get on with our lives. i mean, it's unbeliev believable what hamas did there . believable what hamas did there. everything is a fought this is war. it's a war machine. gaza above hospitals , schools,

above hospitals, schools, kindergartens, full with weapons, rifles , um, snipers. uh weapons, rifles, um, snipers. uh bombs. rockets that can reach tel aviv and underground , and tel aviv and underground, and more ammunition . it was it tel aviv and underground, and more ammunition. it was it is a killing machine and we are now meticulously, slowly but surely destroying hamas, finishing the ammunition. so the gazan people , ammunition. so the gazan people, the women and children can go back to school, can go back to the hospitals that were actually hamas forts and get on with their lives and wouldn't that be wonderful if everyone just stopped fighting ? stopped fighting? >> yuri, thank you so much. your thoughts . it's good to talk thoughts. it's so good to talk to care of yourself. to you. take care of yourself. see that is the see you soon. that is the brilliant uri geller. he's there. tel aviv now. i there. live in tel aviv now. i wanted talk to about this wanted to talk to you about this because this is a story in this country. martin village in country. martin village club in kent the uk's kent has been named the uk's best social again . now the best social club again. now the campaign for real ale has crowned the club for the second year a row. so let's cross year in a row. so let's cross live to gb news. a national

reporter theo chikomba, who is there at martin village club? theo to me about a theo talk to me about this a second year running. wonderful well . well. >> i know right. uh, some people are lucky to win something once , are lucky to win something once, but here it's twice. two years in a row. and there's a reason for that. we've been hearing from lots of people who are regulars, who've been members for decades. uh, one man who we spoke to, he said he's been coming for over 30 years, and he's a real sense he's saying he gets a real sense of community coming here. it's not about the beer or the not just about the beer or the ale , but that does play a big ale, but that does play a big part. but saying the part. but he's saying the community here is something that's kept coming here that's kept him coming here every day, and he's made every single day, and he's made friends so many years , and friends for so many years, and that's why they were awarded this afternoon in the last half an hour or so. uh, this award we're kindly joined by phil gregg. thank you so much for your time. you are from camra , your time. you are from camra, um, in charge of these awards . um, in charge of these awards. what makes this place so special ? >> well, 7 >> well, you've ? >> well, you've heard you're 7 >> well, you've heard you're a lot of it. you've mentioned yourself. these awards start at the beginning . this awards start

the beginning. this awards start at the beginning of 2023, where the local branch put forward a their best club of the uh in their best club of the uh in their branch area to go forward into a regional competition, which it obviously it did. and then they goes forward to a super regional and then to the finalist. and you've only got to come here. it's a fantastic community club. i was chatting to a guy earlier. they've raised nearly £30,000 i think for charity this and charity just this year. and it bnngs brings all the community together , no matter what time of together, no matter what time of day you come in. there's also buzz about the place. uh, it's called people called you get different people from of society, from different areas of society, people coming after work , people people coming after work, people coming in for just just for socialising . the beer is really socialising. the beer is really good, which really helps. it's just a fantastic place and it's a credit. it's a credit to simon the steward and all the committee and obviously and it uh, and the committee and the customers as well. i mean, just look at the place. it's absolutely heaving. it's brilliant. i first came brilliant. i mean, i first came here, my first came here, uh, two years ago, and i came on a

drew thursday night about 6:00. walked in and there was about at least maybe 60 people in. and i thought, wow. um, and then i came in. the second time i came, i came earlier this year, and i walked again friday night, 5:30. there were people coming from work. there people work. there were people have beenin work. there were people have been in all afternoon. were been in all afternoon. they were absolutely yeah, been in all afternoon. they were absa utely yeah, been in all afternoon. they were absa wonderful yeah, been in all afternoon. they were absa wonderful place yeah, been in all afternoon. they were absa wonderful place andah, been in all afternoon. they were absa wonderful place and it's it's a wonderful place and it's a such a worthy winner. and it's what comes support. that's what we want to see. we want to see a proper community. community club, just club, uh, and it's just brilliant yeah. brilliant. yeah. >> cheers cheers, indeed. >> good. cheers cheers, indeed. thank you so much for that. that's one of many reasons why this place has got that award for the second year running. >> thank you very much , theo >> thank you very much, theo theo chikomba there in kent. that's gb news national reporter. is gb news. reporter. this is gb news. i'm nana fast approaching 19 nana akua fast approaching 19 minutes after 3:00. coming up, pam spurr will be joining me to ask getting married can ask if getting married can benefit your health. up benefit your health. but up next, climate next, it's time for climate control, unpick control, where we unpick the debate climate in debate around the climate in the election year, which party is best deal with those best placed to deal with those issues? is .

that i knew had dup sancho weeknights from six. >> good afternoon . it's just >> good afternoon. it's just coming up to 23 minutes after 4:00. if you've just tuned in. welcome on board. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua and it's time now for climate control, where we unpick the debate around the climate. and as all eyes are on the up and coming election this year, which

political has the best political party has the best policies to deal it ? well, policies to deal with it? well, the question comes as the highest ever recorded european air temperature recorded, highest ever recorded european air “this yerature recorded, highest ever recorded european air “this week'e recorded, highest ever recorded european air “this week near recorded, highest ever recorded european air “this week near valencia d, highest ever recorded european air “this week near valencia in uh, this week near valencia in spain. so is the climate crisis really something that we should be thinking of when we cast our votes? so joining me to discuss is jim dale, meteorologist and also social commentator paul burgess . all right. well, seeing burgess. all right. well, seeing as it's kind of well it's sort of weather isn't it. type thing isn't it? i'll start with you , jim. >> uh, if we're talking because we've recorded some hot political we're talking political we're talking political parties. >> we're talking in >> yeah, but we're talking in temperatures yeah. okay. >> so the spain thing. >> so the spain thing. >> valencia, that's only for january, way. january, by the way. >> all time obviously, >> it's not all time obviously, but it's january . so just but it's january. so just january. yeah. >> summer . >> it's not summer. >> it's not summer. >> and that's 30 degrees in and around area. you're wearing around that area. you're wearing around that area. you're wearing a summer dress goes a nice summer dress which goes with uh it's a sign of the times. >> and we're going to get a little bit of that coming in our direction. >> and it's already starting to feel that. feel like that. >> but the saharan dust >> but watch the saharan dust coming across coming out of sahara, across spain, across france, into ourselves. you get some nice

sunsets sunrises in the next sunsets and sunrises in the next few days. >> as i said to you, record >> but as i said to you, record after record after record, and there's another one and we are in the middle when it's supposed to be the coldest month, the average temperature down there around 30 degrees. around 15 degrees, 30 degrees. >> i'll give you about one minute to come back on what minute on to come back on what he going to he said. and then we're going to talk about the political party. >> yeah, fine. well in actual fact, i'm just looking at the spain's meteorological agency report on it. >> it's actually the highest temperature 38 years. temperature peaked for 38 years. and it's the second highest for 38 years. >> so it's not record. >> so it's not a record. >> i mean, so 38 years there >> i mean, so 38 years ago there was temperature , and was a higher temperature, and since then there's another was a higher temperature, and sinceorlen there's another was a higher temperature, and sinceor before re's another was a higher temperature, and sinceor before that another was a higher temperature, and sinceor before that there'sother was a higher temperature, and sinceor before that there's been one, or before that there's been another one. >> it's like third line. >> so it's like third in line. >> so it's like third in line. >> well, say next >> well, i could say next wednesday afternoon at 1:00, you know, going to be the know, london's going to be the 22nd coldest or warmest it's ever been. >> this is nonsense. and if you if look . at what we're in if you look. at what we're in the atlantic multi decadal oscillation, which is that that graph it's number two on pole two weather, no slides i'm sick of the slides okay fine. >> but basically look just look

at the north atlantic . at the north atlantic. >> yes that's what we've been in for 30 years. we're just coming out and temperature out of it. and the temperature for last year, to according for this last year, to according the satellite records, was the hottest in fact. hottest years in 79, in fact. but it's all in the seas. that's why you didn't feel it. it wasn't the hottest in asia. it wasn't the hottest in asia. it wasn't the hottest in asia. it wasn't the hottest in europe . it wasn't the hottest in europe. it wasn't the hottest in europe. it wasn't the hottest in europe. it wasn't the hottest in north america . it was hottest in america. it was the hottest in the seas and the the seas the seas and the seas. the seas warm the atmosphere. the atmosphere does not warm the seas. >> right. so so that's there. there you go. yeah it's bogus. >> let's go with the records. >> let's go with the records. >> but if we want. no, no, but you that basically it's the you said that basically it's the highest years. think so highest in 38 years. i think so it's highest simple it's the it's the highest simple as that. >> it's not recorded wrongly but you know, not go down the you know, let's not go down the rabbit don't okay. >> we don't need to okay. >> we don't need to okay. >> so what he said. >> so that's what he said. that's what you're saying. whoever's somebody that's what you're saying. whoev�*that somebody that's what you're saying. whoev�*that off. somebody that's what you're saying. whoev�*that off. right, ody switch that phone off. right, right. talk about right. so now let's talk about the political parties. yeah. in your view, one you your view, which one do you think deal with? think is best to deal with? well, there's of them. well, there's a lot of them. >> thing to say is well, there's a lot of them. >> choose thing to say is well, there's a lot of them. >> choose one, g to say is well, there's a lot of them. >> choose one, okay. ay is just choose one, okay. >> the ons report the latest government report , uh, shows government ons report, uh, shows that 75% of the population in

the uk are very or somewhat concerned by climate change, 9% on the opposite side, there's a few that haven't made their mind up, but that's the difference. >> so 75. that is why this is it is a big, big issue. >> okay. >> okay. >> and it should be. but you haven't question okay. >> so who's got the best. >> so who's got the best. >> well look a lot of >> well look there's a lot of them i i'm yeah. >> look the purists the idealists are obviously going to be the green party. >> i'm advocating >> i'm not advocating voting green party simply because they tend they're not going to win the election. they're doing a lot of the right things, but they are denial. they are sorry. >> idealists. >> they're idealists. >> they're idealists. >> we don't live >> and you can't we don't live in an ideal world, so we're not going to there with the going to get there with the green going to get there with the gre so the world, >> so in the real world, which political think is political party do you think is best placed? >> best placed one >> i think the best placed one is to be labour. the well is going to be labour. the well ahead election, the in ahead in the election, in the in the polls. they've got the clean energy, uh wish energy, uh, super power. uh wish to, to make us that , uh, they've to, to make us that, uh, they've got the great british energy , um got the great british energy, um concerning other words, making it such that we can have our own

energy without relying on other, other oil and other countries to import. >> okay. uh but i think the answer straight away, i mean, not the conservatives not laboun >> and by the way, no matter what policy, any party takes on climate, it makes no difference at all. >> we've already discussed with you how the co2 is growing anyway, and all the cop meetings make difference. make no difference. >> if people to change >> so if people want to change climate world but climate in their world but they're wrong about on co2, they should be protesting outside the chinese and indian embassies. should be protesting outside the chirhere. nd indian embassies. should be protesting outside the chirhere. nd indyouambassies. should be protesting outside the chir here. nd indyou wantssies. not here. but if you want a straight answer , it's the straight answer, it's the parties will stop all this parties that will stop all this net do away with net zero. if you do away with oil by the way, which is labour saying oil saying they'll stop the oil licensing? wouldn't licensing? jim. jim wouldn't have clothes on. he wouldn't have his clothes on. he wouldn't be on seat. have his clothes on. he wouldn't be we on seat. have his clothes on. he wouldn't be we wouldn'teat. have his clothes on. he wouldn't be we wouldn't have a thought. >> we wouldn't have a thought. >> we wouldn't have a thought. >> we wouldn't have a thought. >> we wouldn't have desk like >> we wouldn't have a desk like this and wouldn't. we this and we wouldn't. we wouldn't camera. wouldn't have the camera. it might look better here than there all of there is involved in all of that. it's involved every that. it's involved in every single wouldn't single aspect. you wouldn't even have because have penicillin because we use an derivative to an oil derivative to make penicillin speaking all your single do . single thing we do. >> you're speaking in >> pardon? you're speaking in the . the past. >> that's done and dusted. >> that's all done and dusted. we look forward, not

we have to look forward, not backwards. replacement all we have to look forward, not backyeah;. replacement all we have to look forward, not backyeah listen acement all the. yeah listen to me. >> i think hinting at >> i think you're hinting at reform uk. yeah if reform there. reform uk. yeah if you know, hinting at reform uk. >> any party that drops the net is it reform uk? >> because that's the only one that i >> because that's the only one that! can >> because that's the only one that i can see on this list that drops the nets. >> okay so reform >> no ukip also okay so reform uk what >> no ukip also okay so reform uk what 10% >> no ukip also okay so reform uk what 10% of the poll ? uk go what 10% of the poll? >> 12. again according to ons , >> 12. again according to ons, people who are less educated are actually following them. >> going on. >> that's what's going on. there are of that. people are are more of that. people are well, not this time ons. >> don't insult. that's not my figures . sorry, that's not my figures. sorry, that's not my figures. sorry, that's not my figures. and it's aimed at you. >> they're not intelligent who follow reform and ons say follow reform and the ons say those that are against climate change. >> you follow reform generally speaking, are in the less educated portion of the population. that's government figures, not my figures. let's come back to that. >> paul, can i just say normally even sold me personally. but this you've insulted a lot this time you've insulted a lot of people, about 12% of the voters apparently . so actually, voters apparently. so actually, more than that with ukip and the others. so look, don't get into that. what matters facts , no that. what matters of facts, no matter what do, we don't

matter what we do, we don't control humans. control the climate as humans. one. number two, number two. oh, we do though, if you think we do. nonsense . if do. that's nonsense. but if you think we do , if you think we do, think we do, if you think we do, then you'll be protesting outside chinese and other outside the chinese and other embassies. we have no embassies. because we have no control anyway. disappear. denying that fossil fuels have not exaggerated the co2 and into the atmosphere. co2 was actually that's where it starts. >> that's where it starts and stops. >> all right then. no, you can debate the latest nobel, nobel prize winner for physics then, and all the physics. i've just done a video on this by the way. >> you know, i bet you are. yeah, the difference. >> you know, i bet you are. yeah, no, the difference. >> you know, i bet you are. yeah, no, no, |e difference. >> you know, i bet you are. yeah, no, no, you're rence. >> you know, i bet you are. yeah, no, no, you're following >> you know, i bet you are. yea conspiracy'ou're following >> you know, i bet you are. yea conspiracy theory ollowing >> you know, i bet you are. yea conspiracy theory side'ing >> you know, i bet you are. yea conspiracy theory side of] the conspiracy theory side of things, conspiracies. the things, not conspiracies. the old so, nobel prize winners in >> so, nobel prize winners in physics conspiracists. are physics are conspiracists. are they ? they? >> that one that you just mentioned and the other one on the previous you're the previous one? you're grasping everything grasping your maps. everything you've got to look at, you look at bigger picture. at the bigger picture. >> are conspiracies. at >> two are conspiracies. look at what going on. discuss the evidence, not people. don't discuss people . discuss the discuss people. discuss the evidence and the evidence is if you want to make a difference,

the evidence out there. if you want to make a difference, the were nce out there. if you want to make a difference, the were right out there. if you want to make a difference, the were right ,out there. if you want to make a difference, the were right, ift there. if you want to make a difference, the were right, if youere. if you want to make a difference, the were right, if you were you were right, if you were right, then you're doing right, then what you're doing makes all. makes no difference at all. and you know, outside the chinese indian you know, outside the chinese indiaforward instead of look forward instead of backwards ? look forward instead of bac let'sis ? look forward instead of bac let's just think about what's >> let's just think about what's going on here. in reality , going to go on here. in reality, we're only going be two we're only going to be two winners election , either winners of the election, either the labour. okay so it the tories or labour. okay so it isn't going to be reform. they're probably won't get they're probably won't even get one even mr tice. one seat. not even mr tice. okay. so that's the reality of the situation. so who's got the best policy between the two. well the tories are sitting on a fence. they say one thing, one side they another on the side and they do another on the other side. so they're going nowhere fast. so at least we agree that agree there. so that's that leaves one only. leaves us with one and one only. now saying that's going now i'm not saying that's going to perfect. stop oil. to be perfect. what a stop oil. i'm hoping to have a word with rachel in the next couple i'm hoping to have a word with rachel whenin the next couple i'm hoping to have a word with rachel whenin the to ext couple i'm hoping to have a word with rachel whenin theto see ouple i'm hoping to have a word with rachel whenin theto see you; of weeks when i get to see you. great see whether great for you and see whether or not we can. can move in this not we can. we can move in this direction. much direction. that is much needed and much needed. direction. that is much needed and can't much needed. direction. that is much needed and can't survive much needed. direction. that is much needed and can't survive inviuch needed. direction. that is much needed and can't survive in arch needed. direction. that is much needed and can't survive in a modern ed. you can't survive in a modern economy you can't survive in a modern econom everything around us. the >> you everything around us. the camera your camera looking at us, your phone, see, you're sitting phone, you see, you're sitting on zips on your trousers. on the zips on your trousers. all please. that from >> please. taking that away from you it an

you tomorrow. it is an evolution, not a revolution . evolution, not a revolution. give me the alternative used to it. right then, where's the evolution? >> to what? >> to what? >> is the. this is the >> this is the. this is the direction of all those direction of travel to all those things. all right? even. look, even mr tice drives an electric car. i. and he loves it. car. so do i. and he loves it. and he tells everybody else not to have one. >> i'm anti imposing them on anyway. god. >> i'm anti imposing them on anyright. god. >> right. yeah. >> right. yeah. >> he a >> right. yeah. >> he >> and i think he makes a good point there. i think a lot of people anti these things point there. i think a lot of peopl:an's well there is there imposition. >:an evolution.re is there is an evolution. >> hold i've given you >> hold on jim i've given you plenty there is because plenty of time. there is because in 2030 or 2035, wherever they plenty of time. there is because in 2to 0 or 2035, wherever they plenty of time. there is because in 2to they 2035, wherever they plenty of time. there is because in 2to they 203ftryingrever they plenty of time. there is because in 2to they 203ftrying to er they get to they are trying to extinguish the sort of petrol 5 or yeah but i'm or 6 years time. yeah but i'm being forced now being i'm being forced now imposed. car is imposed. the electric car is being on me. being imposed on me. >> shouldn't have a >> well, you shouldn't have a problem, tyson. no. problem, mr tyson. no. >> problem. on. >> no problem. no, no. hang on. that's made. you that's the point you made. you said anything said no one's imposing anything on to that on you. i'm proving to you that they you'll find when the >> i think you'll find when the election is done and dusted and finished and there a labour finished and there is a labour government, you'll government, i think you'll you'll still it's not you'll still see that it's not an imposition. be an an imposition. it will be an evolution. will to go evolution. and it will ask to go with it . this is evolution. and it will ask to go with it. this is the evolution. and it will ask to go with it . this is the whole point with it. this is the whole point about green party. you can't about the green party. you can't . they don't economics . they don't take the economics with an evolution. >> they continued with petrol

>> if they continued with petrol and had a choice and diesel and you had a choice there, imposed there, it is being imposed because they taking away the because they are taking away the opportunity you to buy opportunity for you to buy petrol and diesel engines . petrol and diesel engines. >> we are where we are at this moment time that's when moment in time when that's when we point of the we get to the point of the election those manifestos election and those manifestos are i think we can are put out, i think we can probably come back and see where we actually 10s to paul, we actually 10s to you, paul, the manufacturers have the manufacturers don't have a choice this. the manufacturers don't have a chothey've1is. the manufacturers don't have a chothey've got to plan ahead. >> they've got to plan ahead. basically, are the basically, you are ruining the quality life the entire quality of life of the entire population, we've to population, and we've got to wake and look, don't wake up and you look, i don't back i'm not a member of any party. i just i choose not to be because i want to forward my climate thing, don't want climate thing, and i don't want to party involved. but to get party involved. but i advise don't vote for any party that will not agree to drop the whole net zero nonsense. >> well, there you go. that's their thoughts that jim, dale and paul burgess on climate. their thoughts that jim, dale and pdo burgess on climate. their thoughts that jim, dale and pdo you gess on climate. their thoughts that jim, dale and pdo you thinkyn climate. their thoughts that jim, dale and pdo you think though? e. what do you think though? which party best party do you think is best placed the climate placed to deal with the climate situation? approaching situation? it's fast approaching 33 minutes after this is 33 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua on the way. political spotlight. and this week joining me to

shine is councillor shine a light is councillor andrew dinsmore as he shares the battle his battle and backstory behind his campaign zombie knives. campaign to ban zombie knives. but first, let's get your latest news headlines . news headlines. >> thanks, nana. 3:33, i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom. our top stories queen camilla has visited the king in hospital as he recovers from a procedure for an enlarged prostate. the king is resting at the london clinic for a second day after receiving that treatment . buckingham that treatment. buckingham palace says king charles is doing well. it's the same hospital where the princess of wales is being cared for following abdominal surgery . the following abdominal surgery. the united kingdom is pausing funding for the united nations, gaza aid group following allegations that staff participated in the october 7th attacks. the foreign office says the uk is appalled by allegations that un rwa staff were involved in the heinous act of terrorism that the uk government has repeatedly

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adults, so less than half of them are married or in civil partnerships . but are we right partnerships. but are we right to shun marriage? and are there any health benefits to choosing to tie the knot ? so any health benefits to choosing to tie the knot? so joining me to tie the knot? so joining me to discuss psychologist and social commentator, doctor pam spurr, pam , first of all, are spurr, pam, first of all, are you married ? you married? >> yes, i am very happy. >> yes, i am very happy. >> how long have you been married for 28 years. really so you found a good one the second time i did because my first marriage was a deeply unhappy one. >> but i was blessed with children in it, so i can't regret that marriage . but no, regret that marriage. but no, i struck lucky the second time. >> yeah, you see, that's the thing, though. but do you think then, that british people have fallen out of love with marriage ? so , why? if you believe ? and if so, why? if you believe that? well, i think we do have so much choice now, don't we? >> and of course, the social stigma that was attached to living together, cohabiting , you living together, cohabiting, you know, has really disappeared over the years, and rightly so. i don't think people should be

stigmatised . you know, i don't stigmatised. you know, i don't judge live together. judge people who live together. that's . what they that's their choice. what they need to know, though, is the statistics on so many benefits are pro marriage rather than cohabiting . really cohabiting. really >> so what are the advantages then, in your view, for our marriage as opposed to cohabit eating? well, it's not even my view. >> it's research . it's honest >> it's research. it's honest statistics. it's all sorts of statistics. it's all sorts of statistics. let's start with health. you are more likely to have fewer strokes and heart attacks if you're married. this is particularly true for men compared to men who aren't married . there's a bigger married. there's a bigger statistical difference between unmarried men and married men. you are also less likely . to you are also less likely. to when you get diagnosed with cancen when you get diagnosed with cancer. if you do. to be diagnosed at an advanced stage . diagnosed at an advanced stage. because if you're bouncing off with your spouse about, i feel slightly odd or not. well they

will encourage you to go to the doctor. so you're getting earlier cancer diagnosis. doctor. so you're getting earlier cancer diagnosis . you earlier cancer diagnosis. you are less likely to suffer depression. you are also less likely to experience male . for likely to experience male. for surgery . and if you do, you are surgery. and if you do, you are less likely to die in major surgery if you're married. so these are all statistics. >> if you're if you're not married, you're saying if you're not married, you're more likely to die from major surgery. if you're married . that's you're not married. that's right. why would there be? is it just more like, well , if right. why would there be? is it just more like, well, if you dig deep into the stats and you also, you know, just think about them, not a lot of them, there's not a lot of research on exactly why , but it research on exactly why, but it is about having that , you know, is about having that, you know, there's that stability , that there's that stability, that person who's there, who's fighting your corner because you've made that commit commitment . commitment to marriage. >> so but that but but but that sounds great. >> if you are in a good marriage. but the question is how many people are in a good marriage or is it any old marriage? because in a bad

marriage? because in a bad marriage , i'd say that you're marriage, i'd say that you're more suffer from more likely to suffer from depression and all anxiety and all the bad things that come with being with someone who is complete , right you . complete, not right for you. >> that is absolutely true . >> that is absolutely true. nana. but overall, the statistics show that marriage benefits . you can pick it apart benefits. you can pick it apart and find that yes, for people in and find that yes, for people in an unhappy marriage, they may be as likely to suffer a stroke or heart attack. however you're overall more people in marriages aren't suffering those. so that's where, you know, you just have to. you know, take the stats and you can take them apart and you reveal that that those basic facts about the health benefits of the structure that marriage gives you, the structure and stability . structure and stability. >> oh, that's interesting because i've never been so ill. i've never been so ill when i've been with people . that's why been with people. that's why i enjoy being single. why they make me sick again. enjoy being single. why they make me sick again . actually, i make me sick again. actually, i have great, great friends who are cohabiting and they're both very healthy. >> but again, the majority of

cohabiting people would not have those benefits that marriage married people do. so as i say, it's just down to the stats as well. >> doctor xl bullies doctor pam spurr, thank you so much for talking to me . it's lovely to talking to me. it's lovely to talking to me. it's lovely to talk to her. that's doctor pam spurr with her. uh, her interpretation on those stats as well. do think? are you well. what do you think? are you married? are you in the married? do you, are you in the best because you're best health ever because you're married? took married? i know my health took a dive was living with dive when i was living with people, you just me. people, but if you just join me. welcome gb welcome on board. this is gb news. are the people's news. we are the people's channel. akua . and of channel. i'm nana akua. and of course, time this course, it's time now for this week's spotlight. week's political spotlight. and joining me to shine a light is a man come face to face with man who's come face to face with the now rampant in the violence now rampant in sadiq khan's london. he was robbed at machete point and with his fiance present and losing his fiance present and losing his watch in the process, he started a petition to ban dangerous zombie knives, which reached over 140,000 signatures and resulted in the government adopting his proposals. so joining me for this week's political spotlight does shine a light is conservative prospective parliamentary

candidate, . andrew candidate, councillor. andrew dinsmore. andrew, thank you very much for joining dinsmore. andrew, thank you very much forjoining me. we need to get stuck into what happened to you because for me, frankly, i can't imagine why any of those knives should be available and on sale. there is no purpose for them at all. but me them at all. but talk to me about your story. happened? them at all. but talk to me about absolutely. happened? well, absolutely. >> thanks . thanks for having >> and thanks. thanks for having me in my then fiance now wife were down street in were walking down the street in broad daylight on bank holiday monday. about to go monday. we were just about to go to um two men on a to the cinema. um two men on a moped approached us, all dressed to the cinema. um two men on a m

and turned stared at and then he turned and stared at my that point was my wife. at that point was probably scariest moment probably the scariest moment because sure was because i wasn't sure if he was then attack or rob then going to attack her or rob her. uh, he didn't fortunately got back in the moped, sped off. the police were on the scene within about five minutes. there were about police officers, within about five minutes. there werearmed police officers, within about five minutes. there werearmed response; officers, within about five minutes. there werearmed response; officewhich within about five minutes. there wereefantastic ponsez officewhich within about five minutes. there wereefantastic .onsez officewhich within about five minutes. there wereefantastic . they officewhich within about five minutes. there wereefantastic . they didn'tnhich were fantastic. they didn't catch them on the night because these mopeds sort of chase off into rabbit warren, but they into the rabbit warren, but they did together cctv did piece together the cctv footage . they caught the two footage. they caught the two individuals and they're now serving them 35 in prison. >> what for? for their probably a of crimes . yeah. a collection of crimes. yeah. why? they're such a long time. exactly. >> they. well, first and foremost, they're actually out on licence serving a sentence for armed robbery. right. then they also did seven people in ten days. they took one man's eye they took one eye out. um, they took one gentleman's when he gentleman's elbow off when he was getting his watch, took his elbow off. i met him, he was struggling to use a soap dispenser now. i mean, it's tragic what took his out. >> as in, cut his arm off. yeah. >> he fiddling like this, >> so he was fiddling like this, and just sliced this. his and they just sliced this. his arm? elbow. yeah.

arm? yeah. just the elbow. yeah. and and everything. arm? yeah. just the elbow. yeah. an(yeah. and everything. arm? yeah. just the elbow. yeah. an(yeah. absolutely rything. arm? yeah. just the elbow. yeah. an(yeah. absolutely horrific oh yeah. um. absolutely horrific . and that's one of the big issues with these weapons. i mean, the definition of a machete you've got very machete is you've got a very weighted machete is you've got a very weiyaited machete is you've got a very weiya very sharp edge. and so got a very sharp edge. and so they very easily glide through, you jungle whatever. they very easily glide through, yotwith jungle whatever. they very easily glide through, yotwith flickile whatever. they very easily glide through, yotwith flickile you :ever. so with a flick of that you can just take somebody's arm off. >> knives up on >> so we had some knives up on the wonder if we can the screen. i wonder if we can get them back up because i want to look identify to have a look and identify what the are, the different knives are, because machete me, the different knives are, bthought machete me, the different knives are, bthought was machete me, the different knives are, bthought was a machete me, the different knives are, bthought was a zombiezte me, the different knives are, bthought was a zombie knife.me, the different knives are, bthought was a zombie knife. so i thought was a zombie knife. so there's a knife there . so that there's a knife there. so that would be halfway between the two. >> so, um, zombie knives tend to have big gaps in them. they tend to. what are these? those are just old school knives, i would say. sort of old school say. yeah sort of old school hunting yeah um, so hunting knives. yeah um, so describe describe the machete. >> then you said that it's , is >> then you said that it's, is it usually a straight knife. >> so it's normally like a >> so yeah, it's normally like a big about size big chunky knife about this size . um, very thick. one edge, very sharp on the other edge. and the reason for that is designed to wade through , you know, jungle wade through, you know, jungle or one of that would be a machete there. yeah um, so the most shocking thing about my

incident was i went home, i was pretty i thought, how pretty shaken up. i thought, how available weapons? available are these weapons? i typed into amazon machete , and i typed into amazon machete, and i was able to locate a dragon slayer 18 inch matte black machete to be delivered the next day. but the best bit is the algorithm , said people who algorithm, said people who bought this item also bought a balaclava. oh, god. >> even gave you something >> so even gave you something else alongside. else to buy alongside. >> mean, absolutely >> exactly. i mean, absolutely incredible . um, so on the back incredible. um, so on the back of that, then i launched a petition to ban the sale of machetes, mentioned, machetes, as you mentioned, and my mp, greg took it my local mp, greg hands took it up with chris philp, the policing minister. i met with them and as a result of that, them and as a result of that, the government incorporated machetes proposal. the government incorporated macjusts proposal. the government incorporated macjust this proposal. the government incorporated macjust this week proposal. the government incorporated macjust this week they've al. and just this week they've announced a suite of legislation which i think is going to really improve things or improving maximum sentencing. the number of weapons that are included. they're introducing they're now introducing a new offence with offence called possession with intent , that we can get up to intent, that we can get up to ten prison and they're ten years in prison and they're now the police powers now giving the police the powers to properties search to enter properties to search for these weapons. where previously could do previously you could only do that thought was that if you thought it was evidence that if you thought it was evidenc

>> and what about the people like all those sites like amazon and all those sites who enable this? not on purpose of course, but they're even giving you a serving suggestion on alongside it. but of course , on alongside it. but of course, that's just an algorithm that's not a physical person actually doing that. so is there any legislation targeted at those sort of people or even the retailers of these, these products as well? >> yeah, i mean, the legislation is going to be about the sale and distribution as as the and distribution as well as the possession. hopefully possession. and so hopefully a lot websites will lot of these websites will respond quickly that. respond very quickly to that. the aspect of the the other aspect of the government's approach, which i think is great, is a compensation scheme and an amnesty, give amnesty, where they will give young take the young people £10 to take the weapon . and we've just got weapon back. and we've just got to get weapons of to get these weapons out of circulation. we saw the circulation. i mean, we saw the tragic week in tragic story this week in nottingham. you know, nottingham. yeah. um, you know, those that those stabbings, i mean, that man obviously had serious mental health but shouldn't health issues, but he shouldn't have to those sorts have had access to those sorts of and we've just got of weapons. and we've just got to get them off. still, i, i just don't think that's just i still don't think that's any to be able to, you any excuse to be able to, you know, i get it. >> people mental health >> people have mental health issues. if you issues. but if you even if you killed and you had killed somebody and you had like you insane health

you were normally insane health at that moment, you've lost your mind. kills mind. so anyone who kills anybody stabs them in anybody i think stabs them in particular with knives and things. mind at things. you've lost your mind at that suffering that point. you're suffering some episode, whatever that point. you're suffering sois.e episode, whatever it is. >> well, quite. but mean, >> well, quite. but i mean, these these weapons just make it so easy in instant. you these these weapons just make it so easobviouslystant. you these these weapons just make it so easobviously what you to know, obviously what happened to me unpleasant, but but me was very unpleasant, but but actually, whose lives actually, the people whose lives have been ruined by this are the two individuals who are now going at a going to save, serve at least a decade each prison. decade each in prison. >> a particularly watch? >> was about my wife's >> uh, it was about my wife's wedding . to it was wedding present. to me, it was a nice sports watch. it was insured. i got insured. so we, um, i got a replacement. um one of the other shocking aspects i learned afterwards is a lot of these watches are targeted, and they're on a on a on a watch list. people say, i want list. so people will say, i want x type of watch. and in my case, i'm pretty sure we'd been for dinner in knightsbridge and, you know, i'd had my sleeves up like this. you could see my watch or whatever. actually look whatever. if you actually look in there's you in the cctv, there's no way you could seen wearing could have seen i was wearing a watch and think somebody had watch and i think somebody had spotted text somebody, spotted my watch text somebody, and followed. and we'd been followed. then down then down down the main road and then down the streets. and, you know,

the side streets. and, you know, there's documentaries the side streets. and, you know, there's recently documentaries the side streets. and, you know, there's recently , documentaries the side streets. and, you know, there's recently , whichimentaries the side streets. and, you know, there's recently , which irentaries on this recently, which i featured in, and it's pretty sophisticated now really, you know. yeah . and they're know. um, yeah. and they're using sort of young woman go using sort of young woman to go to drink with to bars to pretend to drink with men. it's highlighting to men. and it's highlighting to their gang members who these guys are. and it's pretty tragic . yeah. wow. >> wow. i mean , that's it is >> wow. i mean, that's it is shocking. and it makes you think actually, know, in future , actually, you know, in future, whether it's even worth wearing a now , do you really need a watch now, do you really need to wear a watch? you've got your phone else and to wear a watch? you've got your pho phones else and to wear a watch? you've got your pho phones are else and to wear a watch? you've got your pho phones are almostalse and the phones are almost two a penny days. pretty much penny these days. pretty much everyone's it everyone's got one, so it doesn't a but you're doesn't look such a but you're still watch. still wearing a watch. >> i'm wearing an >> well, i well i'm wearing an eye now because don't eye watch now because i don't think particularly eye watch now because i don't think in particularly eye watch now because i don't think in my particularly eye watch now because i don't think in my step cularly eye watch now because i don't think in my step county eye watch now because i don't think in my step count or interested in my step count or how far it is to the first tee at my golf so i feel at my golf club. so i feel pretty wearing this. but, pretty safe wearing this. but, um, i just don't um, yeah, i just i just don't wear nice london at wear a nice watch in london at all anymore . um, if i go outside all anymore. um, if i go outside london sometimes i will literally pack it my suitcase literally pack it in my suitcase . out, wear it. you . so take it out, wear it. you know, i go the midlands know, if i go up to the midlands or whatever, and then literally before even driving the car, london, even driving the car, i'd be nervous now. >> but the crime in nottingham

and is all over and things like this is all over the country, though these machetes and this, this kind of crime. admit crime. yeah, well, i admit london i'm not london is a hot spot and i'm not impressed with sadiq khan's work on my on it. yeah virtually, in my view , invisible. i haven't seen view, invisible. i haven't seen much that he's doing much evidence that he's doing that much but it's that much about it, but it's really that you are coming really good that you are coming up and speaking about it. yeah. um with the. so you said the machetes. the straight one is the zombie, the horrible curveball with the nasty. yeah. gnarly looking one. >> yeah. designed cool . >> yeah. designed to look cool. basically. those ones. yeah. with the with serrated edges with the with the serrated edges and . but i and the gaps missing. but i mean, i totally agree with you on may can mean, last year on may or can i mean, last year we awful attack in we had that awful attack in bishopsgate tweeted, the bishopsgate and he tweeted, the good not a good news is that it's not a terrorist attack. there no terrorist attack. there is no good is up 16% good news. knife crime is up 16% under um, last year under mayor khan. um, last year he blamed the hot weather and long holidays the long school holidays for the reason all this crime reason that all this knife crime is increasing , saying the is increasing, saying the reality is he hasn't got a grip on this problem at all. the government's and government's had to step in and add police officers add additional police officers to the of london to the streets of london to deal with he's running with this, because he's running the met terribly well . the met terribly well. >> i mean, he's not here to defend he probably defend himself. he probably

think he think that he's doing what he can. honest, met can. and to be honest, the met haven't themselves haven't covered themselves in glory from some the things glory from some of the things that going on, glory from some of the things that were going on, glory from some of the things that were of going on, glory from some of the things that were of outside on, glory from some of the things that were of outside his which were sort of outside his watch. uh, yeah, i don't watch. but, uh, yeah, i don't think a good job. and think he's done a good job. and i argue that i think we could argue that actually figures speak actually the figures speak for themselves. well absolutely. um, well, thank you well, listen, andrew, thank you very much for telling us your story. thank you much the story. thank you so much for the work well. keep work you're doing as well. keep going. thank you. keep going. and uh, and good luck. that's, uh, parliamentary candidate, councillor . councillor andrew dinsmore. well, this, course, is well, this, of course, is political spotlight. stay tuned. well, this, of course, is polifast spotlight. stay tuned. well, this, of course, is polifast approachingtay tuned. well, this, of course, is polifast approaching 30,tuned. well, this, of course, is polifast approaching 30, 54ad. it's fast approaching 30, 54 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news coming up. i'll be joined by my amazing panel broadcast on columnist lizzie cundy. also, former labour party adviser matthew lazor. but next, my monologue on gender, ideology in schools. but first, let's get an update with your weather looks like things are heating up, but boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hello there! >> hello there! >> welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. i'm craig snow. we're looking ahead to the next couple of days. it's set to

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temperatures teens temperatures into the mid teens as onto monday we've got this band of rain really splitting the country in half to the north of cooler brighter but of it. cooler brighter but showery across scotland , to the showery across scotland, to the south of it. generally dry with the mild conditions continue doing then into tuesday and wednesday . still, a mixed wednesday. still, a mixed picture could even turn windy again on wednesday, especially in the north. that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> this is a gb news i'm nana akua stay tuned on the way. my monologue . can you believe it? monologue. can you believe it? a child who decided that at four years old he was in the wrong body at the wrong gender and then was placed in within that school and everyone identified him as a girl. i've got a big monologue on that. i'll be discussing that. plus the fabulous lizzie cundy and matthew laza be me matthew laza will be joining me live. now and do not go live. join me now and do not go

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want to kind of let them know that they're thinking of them. and of and the same with princess of wales. there's been wales. i understand there's been many, letters and many, many, many letters and cards to her wishing her cards sent to her wishing her the health. the best of health. >> grant shapps says it's our duty to protect the navigation of the red sea after a british backed oil tanker was hit by houthi missile, the vessel in the gulf of aden went up in flames on friday after it was targeted by houthi rebels ablaze in marlin . luanda's cargo tank in marlin. luanda's cargo tank was extinguished with the help of indian us and french navy vessels . all crew are reported vessels. all crew are reported to be safe . the united kingdom to be safe. the united kingdom is pausing funding for the united nations gaza aid group following allegations that staff participated in the october 7th attacks. the foreign office says the uk is appalled by the allegations means that unrwa staff were involved in the heinous acts of terrorism that the uk government has repeatedly condemned . the uk is suspending condemned. the uk is suspending any future funding, as are finland. the us, italy,

australia and canada. following a review , representatives from a review, representatives from the gaza relief agency have pleaded with allies to reverse the decision. a spokesperson for the decision. a spokesperson for the foreign office says we remain committed to getting humanitarian aid to the people in gaza who desperately need it . in gaza who desperately need it. the ministry of defence will neither confirm nor deny plans for the uk to house us nuclear weapons. pentagon documents have seen by the telegraph detail how raf lakenheath in suffolk will house the nuclear warheads . it house the nuclear warheads. it follows warnings from a senior nato official that countries should ready for war with moscow within the next 20 years. a spokesperson for the ministry of defence says it remains a long standing uk and nato policy to neither confirm nor deny the presence of nuclear weapons at a given location , and customers at given location, and customers at a 54 branches of barclays bank could face disruption this weekend . the palestine weekend. the palestine solidarity campaign is organising protests accusing the

firm of bankrolling israel in its war with hamas. they're urging barclays customers to stop using the bank. barclays has been approached for comment . has been approached for comment. up has been approached for comment. up to 11,000 staff working for john lewis and waitrose could lose their jobs over the next five years. that's according to the guardian newspaper. there reporting that the john lewis partnership , which owns the partnership, which owns the stores, is considering cuts to at least 10% of the workforce . at least 10% of the workforce. it's thought the measures could affect staff in its head office, supermarkets and department stores. last year, the retailer warned it would have to cut staff numbers and scrap bonuses after customers cut back on spending . a legal challenge is spending. a legal challenge is being launched to stop a new government law, which would prevent or limit border force strike action. the new legislation aims to ensure minimum service levels during industrial action by allowing employers to order staff back to work, the public and commercial services union says it will make the challenge under article 11 of the european convention of

human rights, and scotland's first minister has made an urgent plea to unite against hate on the occasion of holocaust memorial day. in a video posted on x, humza yousaf says together we remember the millions of lives cut short with the utmost cruelty and brutality . well—known landmarks will be lit up in purple across the uk later. to mark the occasion, members of the public are also being encouraged to light a candle and place it in their window. 94 year old holocaust survivor bernard often says hate affects everyone . affects everyone. >> the holocaust happened because of hatred of others. that's be clear about that, particularly jews . okay so we're particularly jews. okay so we're number one on the on the hit list, but you know, there are other people on the hit list also muslims and indians and others and others . so anti it is others and others. so anti it is anti—human in to be anti semitic

i >> -- >> this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to . nana is just now it's back to. nana is just coming up to six minutes after 4:00. >> this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua now. when i read this, i realised that the world has truly gone mad. a church of england school allowed a four year old boy , bobby, to enrol as year old boy, bobby, to enrol as a girl. so basically pretend to be female because he apparently identified her as . one at four. identified her as. one at four. please bobby became part of a friendship group of girls. his biological sex was hidden from his classmates . at some point in his classmates. at some point in the three years that followed, the three years that followed, the girls that hung around with

bobby twigged that bobby has a willy and was not, in fact, female . he apparently kept female. he apparently kept flashing it, and according to reports, he would chastise them and warn them of a dark spirit. in the toilet that sucked out souls. some of the girls started to get constipation and urinary infections at just seven, because i suspect they were too scared to go to the loo. and one parent reported her daughter was suffering with stress induced insomnia , and by this time bobby insomnia, and by this time bobby was well , obviously insomnia, and by this time bobby was well, obviously bigger than all of them and boisterous and at one point punching one of the girls in the face. zoe told her mum about bobby's behaviour and zoe's mum, who had worked at the school and knew the truth but didn't disclose it to her because, well, she was afraid of losing job time . zoe losing herjob at the time. zoe said i just don't get why she's being like this. that's referring to bobby. except katie told me this secret in year one that bobby is in fact a boy .

that bobby is in fact a boy. well, of course her mum knew the game was up and confessed . game was up and confessed. sorry. yes, it is true. zoe responded. but lying is sinful . responded. but lying is sinful. exactly and bear in mind this is a faith school and let's face it, zoe, a seven year old, was able to call this out . they'd able to call this out. they'd been lied to . can you imagine been lied to. can you imagine how traumatising that must have been for the child? it's like finding out that a parent has been on the other. been cheating on the other. difficult at any age, but to learn parents are learn that your parents are fallible at age and have fallible at that age and have lied to you will probably leave you with trust issues for the rest of life. now, despite rest of your life. now, despite some of the parents flagging this the school's this issue up to the school's governor the governor in charge of safety, safeguarding and responsibility said the school would to reassure you that would like to reassure you that actions followed are in line with the evidence given by the department of education , department of education, alongside the guidance for church of england's schools and, and that he had every confidence that the school will do their

utmost to provide the other children with support required to navigate this sensitive situation in an inclusive and caring way . so you've messed caring way. so you've messed with their heads at such a young age for what the children have seen sense and will not be lied to by their parents. imagine that a seven year old is losing respect for their parents because they've been lied to about something. as basic and clear cut as gender. the children are not buying this claptrap and it is affecting the mental health of otherwise healthy minds. if someone is suffering from gender dysphoria affirming it has a collateral impact and it just four years old when this began , then can old when this began, then can you honestly look me in the eye and tell me that at this age, a child is capable of making life changing decisions such as this? but he's a boy and no amount of trying to convince a child will make them believe otherwise. so what the hell are we playing at as adults . so before we get

as adults. so before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, will changing prime sunak save prime minister rishi sunak save the tories? sorry as the the tories? hahaha. sorry as the general election looms, would a change of leader save the party at 450? it's royal round—up time. royal biographer and broadcaster angela will be here with the latest from behind the palace walls on the menu . king palace walls on the menu. king charles is doing well following the queen's visit the london the queen's visit to the london clinic following the king's treatment. sussexes have treatment. the sussexes have beenin treatment. the sussexes have been in jamaica and a new channel 4 documentary may reveal prince harry's troubled relationship with queen camilla. well, won't want to miss well, you won't want to miss that. stick around for that. then, at five, it's this week's difficult conversation. author, singer oli singer and tv personality oli london in the london will be live in the studio we last studio as we discuss last night's beacon of light dinner, an art auction which aimed at supporting relief , supporting the emergency relief, education art therapy education and art therapy programs in museums across israel. that is coming up in the

next hour. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. all right gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. all right, gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. all right, let's at. gb news. all right, let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy and also former labour party adviser matthew la la la la la. you get that for scribbling in the middle of the monologue and for being naughty boy, you are very noisy. he noisy. being naughty boy, you are very noisy. he noisy . you noisy. he was very noisy. you see, doing my monologue and see, i'm doing my monologue and there's note. well, there's me making me note. well, christine as soon as christine is always. as soon as the christine the news is on, christine does nothing. as i start nothing. and as soon as i start doing my monologue, she goes, cup la la la. cup of tea? la la la la la. >> to be as bad. >> i try not to be as bad. >> you just did you failed >> you just did that. you failed the minute. matthew i had the last minute. matthew i had to hey to go. hey >> and look from nana. that >> and one look from nana. that was enough is enough is enough. >> right? so i've got to start with you, lizzie cundy. uh, they're again. this, um, they're at it again. this, um, john, identity nonsense john, gender identity nonsense at old. uh i couldn't at four years old. uh i couldn't believe this story when i read it. >> as you said, anna, it's like the world's gone mad. >> and as a mother , i am totally

>> and as a mother, i am totally appalled . appalled. >> i'm shocked. but most of all, this is dangerous. and where is the government protecting our children? we have to protect our children. this is just totally. i mean , you can't make it up and i mean, you can't make it up and i. i feel like i have read, i, i haven't no, but we've got to stop this. we've had the we've had the gygax doing storyteller at schools. we've had them changing, you know, from our classic book changing the language and now this is happening. i am calling now the government to put in legislation , legislation to protect our children, because this is going to continue happening. and this is supposed to faith is supposed to be a faith school. i'm sorry, nana, i am appalled and i've got no words . appalled and i've got no words. i really am so shocked. >> but they affirmed this at age four years old. matthew, this is madness , right? madness, right? >> strikes me above >> so what strikes me above everything is how on earth everything else is how on earth can four year old express can the four year old express these ideas? um in a coherent way? >> so it seems to me it's the parents imposing views on the four year old. and one of the

things really strikes me is things that really strikes me is how with a small how conservative with a small c it and may this it is. and people may see this as progressive thing , is what it is. and people may see this as you’ressive thing , is what it is. and people may see this as you know,a thing , is what it is. and people may see this as you know, diding , is what it is. and people may see this as you know, did the is what it is. and people may see this as you know, did the boyvhat it is. and people may see this as you know, did the boy pick has, you know, did the boy pick up and like doll more up a doll and like a doll more than an action man? >> so therefore he's girl. >> so therefore he's a girl. >> so therefore he's a girl. >> strikes me as >> so, um, that strikes me as hugely >> so, um, that strikes me as huggive you know, you know >> give that, you know, you know , feminine , show any feminine characteristics and you're labelled. >> you have to be a girl. >> you have to be a girl. >> well, rather than being a boy who happens to like dolls. i had a doll when i was 6 or 7. the name i you know, was name i was, you know, was was writing down when i, when i wrongly naughty in the monologue. >> know, it the >> uh, you know, it was the first i kissed, but first boy that i kissed, but i was ten school, and that was like ten at school, and that was like ten at school, and that was of experimental. was a kind of experimental. >> it wasn't for. >> it wasn't for. >> and certainly, >> yeah. and you certainly, you know, this is not just a, this is not little thing declaring is not a little thing declaring somebody is of the opposite gender move. gender is a very big move. >> to change the >> it's going to change the whole of of their whole of the rest of their lives. suddenly do it, lives. and to suddenly do it, when declare it somebody, when to declare it somebody, it's by it's clearly being driven by parents trendy kid. parents who want a trendy kid. >> it's dangerous . and >> yeah, but it's dangerous. and this is parental abuse. it really and my two boys, when really is. and my two boys, when they were four, mean, they they were four, i mean, they were playing were drawing and playing football . they weren't even football. they weren't even

thinking this . thinking of things like this. >> and they picked up a doll. you have said you wouldn't have suddenly said they girl, would you? they were a girl, would you? >> course not. you know, >> of course not. and you know, i've friends mine i've had friends of mine recently, a very good friend of mine photographer, david mine who's a photographer, david bailey, a i bailey, his son, did a piece. i don't know whether saw it don't know whether you saw it saying very saying that. he was very confused. thinking maybe confused. he was thinking maybe he trans , and he he wanted to trans, and he realised that he was going realised that he was just going through and confused and through puberty and confused and was very thankful that he didn't. but this is a four year old. yeah. four years old. >> not a 14 year. a 14 year old is completely different. >> kettle of fish and the government debate. but it's afraid that afraid kettle of fish that has got to do something to got to do something more to protect . yeah, protect our children. yeah, well, is doing well, kemi badenoch is doing work what people are work on it, but what people are arguing so arguing is that it took them so long clarify what the long to clarify what the guidelines were, and guidelines actually were, and a lot of schools were confused as to this isn't to what to do. i say this isn't confusing a boy and a girl. they're two very different things. they are humans, but they're two genders boy and girl. you just work on that girl. if you just work on that basis, everyone will be fine. i don't get what the school. >> it's a faith school . and >> it's a faith school. and you know, spent, know, the church has spent, you know, the church has spent, you

know, um, know, two millennia, um, you know, two millennia, um, you know, of england, you know, the church of england, you know, the church of england, you know, lesbian know, still won't let lesbian and married in church. >> about get a blessing. church. >> nowabout get a blessing. church. >> now .)out get a blessing. church. >> now . and get a blessing. church. >> now . and get iif)lessing. church. >> now . and get (if you're}. church. >> now . and get (if you're four >> now. and yet, if you're four year okay to suddenly year old, it's okay to suddenly change your gender. and i think it really older people. it really damages older people. >> it feels perverse, though, in some well. it doesn't some ways, as well. it doesn't make that's make sense to me and that's not to anybody anything. to accuse anybody of anything. i get that they're probably thinking their thinking they're acting their child's but does child's interest, but it does feel so fact that feel perverse. so the fact that they telling the they were also telling the children that must they children that they must they lied children as well. children that they must they lied it's children as well. children that they must they lied it's the :hildren as well. children that they must they lied it's the impact as well. children that they must they lied it's the impact on well. children that they must they lied it's the impact on those and it's the impact on those people no issues people who had no issues whatsoever now to whatsoever and are now going to be dealing health be dealing with mental health issues of their issues for the rest of their lives, because a very lives, because that's a very impressionable your impressionable moment in your life. you know, what i'm >> and you know, what i'm worried that parents worried about is that parents are speak up , because are scared to speak up, because for me, for one, whenever i talk about this issue , i feel like about this issue, i feel like intimidated. about this issue, i feel like intimidated . and people want to intimidated. and people want to silence me. i've got huge understanding and kindness for the trans community, but this isn't right. no, anyone can see i agree with you because i think it's damaging older trans it's damaging to older trans people or, know, teenagers. >> the whole debate >> um, when the whole debate gets so angry parents are so gets so angry and parents are so concerned because a four year

old not to express old who's not able to express anything any sort of anything about any sort of identity, . identity, exactly. >> you know, we what >> you know, do we know what you know, can't tell know, a four year old can't tell you what football team they support. tell you support. they can't tell you what probably what you know. they probably don't play exactly. don't know how to play exactly. >> know rules. don't know how to play exactly. >> and know rules. don't know how to play exactly. >> and thor, know rules. don't know how to play exactly. >> and thor, in now rules. don't know how to play exactly. >> and thor, in that rules. don't know how to play exactly. >> and thor, in that sense.es. don't know how to play exactly. >> and thor, in that sense four don't know how to play exactly. >> aold. hor, in that sense four year old. >> so that's and then >> so that's what. and then therefore it so therefore what it does is it so skewers how gets so skewers how it gets people so wound damaging wound up that it's damaging to older people going older trans people who are going on journey? on that journey? >> that's just the >> lizzie. that's just the frontal cortex your frontal cortex of your brain isn't developed the isn't fully developed till the age of 25. >> this is a this is >> i mean, this is a this is a four year old toddler. yeah. and this is cruelty. >> yeah. i think it's to me it's some form of abuse . it's not some form of abuse. it's not right. and, you know, the church would argue that they're safeguarding and we did read one of the statements, the safeguarding of the statements, the safeiuarding of the statements, the safe! cannot see in any reality but i cannot see in any reality where that would be a correct thing to do. this is a four year old, um, and this is a boy now. now he's realising he's a boy and he's now chastising the girls, which is clearly that he's bigger than all of them . he's bigger than all of them. and it was a secret that the girls had to keep. and these girls had to keep. and these girls have been going through

all trauma and stress all sorts of trauma and stress as result of it, that's as a result of it, but that's only a mirror of it. when you're young, you're older, young, when you're older, there's trauma and there's still that trauma and stress. and stress. it affects adults and females . exactly. females. exactly. >> imagine the knock on effect females. exactly. >>this. gine the knock on effect of this. >> also >> but also we don't. >> but also we don't. >> not absolutely clear >> it's not absolutely clear whether whether whether the boy is a girl or go is going to stay a girl or go back being a boy about it. if back to being a boy about it. if he's flashing willy, if he's he's flashing his willy, if he's slashing sounds slashing his willy, it sounds like slightly different slashing his willy, it sounds like to slightly different slashing his willy, it sounds like to slig mildly,erent slashing his willy, it sounds like to slig mildly, andt vibe, to put it mildly, and therefore that's hugely traumatic of traumatic for the rest of the kids. >> e because, because >> because, because, because they've, you they've confused. >> like they're >> it's not like they're having to terms with thing. to come to terms with one thing. it's was. he it's all just like he was. he was, he isn't. >> and that just becomes it just becomes ridiculous because obviouslyolder, then they will she gets older, then they will have ability, the ability to have the ability, the ability to read, the ability to, know, read, the ability to, you know, to decisions . to make decisions. >> um, i'm really worried >> but, um, i'm really worried about the parents. to me, it does seem like it's a safeguarding issue. >> there's a big worry. but we've boarding we've also hearing boarding schools pupils schools allowing trans pupils to sleep in all of their sleep in. in all of their preferred gender. i mean, this is absolutely it's getting it's getting silly. >> it's getting has to stop. >> it's getting has to stop. >> it's getting has to stop. >> it's completely and um , the

>> it's completely and um, the government we need to protect our children. it's getting it's getting out of hand. this is getting out of hand. this is getting i'm worried if keir starmer going starmer gets in, we're going to have this absolute. have more of this absolute. >> well, he couldn't work out what so exactly. >> well, he couldn't work out wh to so exactly. >> well, he couldn't work out wh to it's so exactly. >> well, he couldn't work out wh to it's very so exactly. >> well, he couldn't work out wh to it's very good;o exactly. >> well, he couldn't work out wh to it's very good on xactly. >> well, he couldn't work out wh to it's very good on it.:tly. so to me it's very good on it. now he's he's he's now no he's not he's he's he's goodin now no he's not he's he's he's good in it. but he needs to tell the of party that we're the rest of his party that we're not this. you can't force the rest of his party that we're not can't this. you can't force the rest of his party that we're not can't ram s. you can't force the rest of his party that we're not can't ram this u can't force the rest of his party that we're not can't ram this down t force the rest of his party that we're not can't ram this down people's you can't ram this down people's throats and throats. absolutely. and that's why you've why labour's education, you've got going got to see what's going on in which with. which he did flirt with. >> rightly >> and it's quite rightly decided , he shouldn't decided, well, he shouldn't be flirting with it. >> keir starmer he's married flirting with it. >> i> ktwo children. he married flirting with it. >> ktwo children. he marrie(what with two children. he knows what a you a woman is, matthew. and you write him. you should have write for him. you should have told well like the >> mhm. well i don't like the fact flirting with fact that they're flirting with this. they're playing with the minds they're minds of the young, they're playing mean those playing with, i mean those children, young will playing with, i mean those chi affected young will playing with, i mean those chiaffected by young will playing with, i mean those chi affected by that1g will playing with, i mean those chi affected by that for will playing with, i mean those chi affected by that for rest be affected by that for the rest of this is of their lives. yes. this is something that's going to affect them. and course doubt something that's going to affect them.people course doubt something that's going to affect them. people will'se doubt something that's going to affect them. people will end doubt something that's going to affect them. people will end dorbeing these people will end up being trans need to trans anyway. i think we need to have think about what have a serious think about what we're with this gender, what? >> yeah. what if one of the boys later on, um, you know, you know, at 9 10, you know, know, at 9 or 10, you know, might actually like a doll or not like football. and they suddenly think, oh, i can't be a boy happens not to,

boy who just happens not to, like, not like football. i've got become girl. this got to become a girl. it's this imposing kids. imposing on young gay kids. i like said about like what you said about it being regressive, actually. >> staying with the gender >> and staying with the gender stereotype, because that's what it you're going backwards. it is. you're going backwards. we're going back affirming stereotypes of stereotypes when at the end of the a a girl the day, a boy is a boy, a girl is a boy girl. but what you is a boy a girl. but what you want to do that identifies you is a boy a girl. but what you watermsio that identifies you is a boy a girl. but what you watermsio whatdentifies you is a boy a girl. but what you watermsio what youifies you is a boy a girl. but what you watermsio what you dos you is a boy a girl. but what you watermsio what you do is'ou in terms of what you do is irrelevant. can irrelevant. you know, a boy can do girl they're do whatever a girl does. they're really. is really. the only difference is the difference. the biological difference. and thatis the biological difference. and that is a reality. but what do you views news. com you think? gb views gb news. com tweet gb news. i'm nana tweet me at gb news. i'm nana akua. live on tv, online akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. it is fast approaching 19 minutes after 4:00, coming up, we'll round up time with angela levin . she'll time with angela levin. she'll be to give me the latest time with angela levin. she'll be behindive me the latest time with angela levin. she'll be behindive rpalace latest on from behind the palace walls on the king charles, he's the menu. king charles, he's doing well following his surgery, but next, it's time surgery, but up next, it's time for the great british debate. this , asking will this hour, i'm asking will changing minister rishi changing prime minister rishi sunak tories ? i've got sunak save the tories? i've got to pull up right now . i laugh to pull up right now. i laugh every time on twitter asking you that question . it could be a that question. it could be a clean sweep. actually, this time send me thoughts. send me your thoughts. vaiews@gbnews.uk com or tweet me gb news. so what do you

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and with reform uk having climbed to 13, this data raises questions about the effectiveness of replacing rishi sunak and whether such a move will have the desired impact. the conservative party wishes. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm will this hour, i'm asking will changing the prime minister, rishi save the tories? rishi sunak, save the tories? well, joined now by bill well, i'm joined now by bill rammell, labour mp , rammell, former labour mp, candice holdsworth journalist, broadcaster henry hill, deputy editor for conservativehome, right . it's nice to start with. right. it's nice to start with. i'm going to start with bill. bill rammell. uh, bill. okay. they're they're thinking of changing leader. will it make any difference at all? should they be doing this ? they be doing this? >> look, rishi sunak is a lamentable prime minister, but if the tories think that replacing him will save their fortunes, i think they're delusional. you know, it's 14 years of tory rule that is the problem. it's the highest tax burden since the second world war. whilst public services have been cut to the bone . it's been cut to the bone. it's immigration out of control. it's the basement in public standards. it's liz truss who

did more damage to the economy in 49 days than many prime ministers have done in decades . ministers have done in decades. you know, those are the real issues. why the tories are being rejected. it's not about rishi sunak, although he bears responsibility for. >> all right. well, let me come to henry henry , you're the to henry henry, you're the deputy editor of conservative home. uh, what's your thoughts? is no tory leader, prospective tory leader wants take office how. >> now. >> essentially , is the problem. >> essentially, is the problem. >> essentially, is the problem. >> you know , they're going >> uh, you know, they're going to go down to a point defeat. to go down to a 20 point defeat. >> whatever happens, probably 15 points. >> maybe if they're lucky. >> maybe if they're lucky. >> people who want to >> all of the people who want to take want to let rishi take over want to let rishi sunak own defeat and then sunak own that defeat and then take and if even if >> so was and even if even if that wasn't the case, the process for creating a new tory leader, you'd have the leader, you'd have to have the letters all the drama letters going in all the drama about you'd have about that, then you'd have to have of then have the ballot of mps, then you'd to have the two you'd have to have the two candidates taking lumps out of each like rishi each other for weeks, like rishi and originally in 2022. and liz did originally in 2022. >> it would be it would damage the further. the tory ratings even further. >> no, there's >> so? so no, there's no prospect a of leader prospect of a change of leader winning the election for winning the next election for the um , uh, but but could it

>> um, uh, but but could it change their status? candace >> no, i don't think so . change their status? candace >> no, i don't think so. i change their status? candace >> no, i don't think so . i mean, >> no, i don't think so. i mean, i think that right now the conservatives seem to think and they've done this a few times now, changing the now, that simply changing the leader is going to change how the perceived. but i the party is perceived. but i don't think that's the case at all. also think any all. i also think that any leader, if it was to happen, rishi sunak was be removed. rishi sunak was to be removed. they else in. they brought someone else in. they brought someone else in. they would probably have they would probably still have the managing the the same trouble managing the party sunak had. party that rishi sunak has had. liz has had, boris johnson liz truss has had, boris johnson has . i think the problems go has had. i think the problems go so much deeper and i think that the dissatisfaction from the electorate is not necessarily simply something that can be addressed by just a change in figurehead. i think there are deep, deep , there's deep deep, deep, there's deep dissatisfaction with immigration in, for instance, with the cost of living crisis and none of these are things that are the fault of one person alone . fault of one person alone. >> um, but it's interesting that because the labour party seemed to be getting away with, well, because of all this nonsense, they seem to be getting away with being unscrutinised many with being unscrutinised on many of they're

of their things that they're doing. bill i think we're scrutinised every day of the week. >> you read any newspaper you listen to, any news channel. we are scrutinised. but, you are being scrutinised. but, you know, think this know, i don't think this is really about getting rid of sunak. i don't think apart from a handful of tory mps, they believe that's possible. this is really about the debate starting after the general election and i think simon clarke's intervention in the last week was interesting. what he was trying to do was pin the blame for the defeat , the very likely for the defeat, the very likely defeat on rishi sunak rather than boris johnson or liz truss . than boris johnson or liz truss. and if that's the direction the tories want to go in, i'd welcome it because it means labour will be in power for longer than would otherwise be the case. >> p- p— >> do you think? well, but people that the people would argue that the moment, view anyway , the moment, in my view anyway, the moment, in my view anyway, the moment rid of boris moment they got rid of boris johnson , i think nail in johnson, i think was the nail in their coffin because i thought, well, you that? well, why are you doing that? the people voted for nobody the people voted for him. nobody voted and even voted for rishi sunak. and even liz truss was more popular because it was her conservative

voters or conservative members who voted for her, but they got rid of her with respect . rid of her with respect. >> i think your analysis of bofis >> i think your analysis of boris johnson doesn't accord with the public view. if you look at the polling evidence , look at the polling evidence, overwhelmingly people believe johnson was a liar. you know, he repeatedly lied to parliament. >> and that's i'm making that's not the point i'm making. that's not the point i'm making. that's not the point i'm making by a parliamentary committee with a tory . tory majority. >> so, you know the idea. you go back to boris johnson, the idea, you go back to liz truss, and that provides a solution. >> i'm not saying no >> no, i'm not saying that. no no you've made an no no no no. you've made an assumption. no no no. all i'm saying is that the beginning of this rot getting rid of this rot was getting rid of bofis this rot was getting rid of boris johnson . is view. boris johnson. that is my view. they were only 3 to 4 points behind. i think in my view, they should have kept with the same leader voted for leader because nobody voted for the others. actually i think the others. and actually i think it question it calls into question the whole leadership elections within parties consulting the parties without consulting the general public. henry, do general public. but henry, do you think that i'm right somewhere that actually the

beginning was getting rid of bofisin beginning was getting rid of boris in of it set off boris in terms of it set off a psychodrama which still hasn't been resolved ? been resolved? >> i don't think that >> maybe, but i don't think that they stuck boris. >> the thing to remember is, yes, when boris was deposed, the polls were not nearly as bad as they now. they are now. >> think it's perfectly >> but i think it's perfectly reasonable that they reasonable to think that they would got the would have got there. the man couldn't government. would have got there. the man couthet government. would have got there. the man couthe reason government. would have got there. the man couthe reason he yvernment. would have got there. the man couthe reason he endedent. would have got there. the man couthe reason he endedent going >> the reason he ended up going is he suffered is because he suffered an unprecedented mass resignation from his ministry, and he would have struggling even from his ministry, and he would haveenoughtruggling even from his ministry, and he would haveenough mpsling even from his ministry, and he would haveenough mps prepared'en from his ministry, and he would haveenough mps prepared to find enough mps prepared to serve as ministers. the covid inquiry would have hit a lot harder and done a lot more damage to the tories. >> bofis damage to the tories. >> boris johnson and >> i think if boris johnson and some the people who were at some of the people who were at the centre those the centre of all those controversies in controversies were still in downing street, and of course we'd to deal with the we'd have had to deal with the last last two years last year, the last two years with all that all with all of that chaos and all of that. was the hallmark with all of that chaos and all of that. johnson'sthe hallmark with all of that chaos and all of that. johnson's downing ark street. >> and you don't think that we've been living in chaos without him? >> saying i'm not >> well, i'm not saying i'm not saying gone brilliant. >> well, i'm not saying i'm not sayi not gone brilliant. >> well, i'm not saying i'm not sayi not saying gone brilliant. >> well, i'm not saying i'm not sayi not saying i'm1e brilliant. >> well, i'm not saying i'm not sayi not saying i'm not rilliant. >> well, i'm not saying i'm not sayi not saying i'm not saying i'm not saying i'm not saying that it's gone brilliantly. i'm just that advantage just saying that the advantage basically boris johnson has the same advantage that margaret thatcher's always used right? they always used to say should never have got rid of her. won three

her. she won three general elections and so on. but she was satanically unpopular by the time that she was deposed. and it's reasonable to it's perfectly reasonable to think tories have lost think the tories would have lost in she been in in 1992 if she had been in charge. has gone charge. so yeah, it has gone badly . getting rid of boris has badly. getting rid of boris has caused an awful lot of psychological tension in the party, it's party, but i don't think it's plausible boris party, but i don't think it's plausiihave boris party, but i don't think it's plausiihave performedyris would have been performed particularly well. >> i didn't say that. i didn't say that at all. i said that actually the beginning of this was going, was boris johnson going, and actually their behaviour . actually it was their behaviour. if they had not, it's repetition of the same behaviour again and again and again, getting rid of people focusing again and again, getting rid of pe

he is capable of doing that. we've seen that he does shift. he shift with opinions, he can shift with opinions, but obviously now. obviously we'll never know now. >> so i'll ask you then, >> um, so i'll ask you then, bill, what do you think then? can rishi can rishi turn around the fortunes of the tories party? i mean, what do you think? can do think? can they do it by changing leader? no ? changing a leader? yes or no? >> uh, i don't think rishi sunak can turn around the fortunes of the tory party. although you can never say never. and virtually a yearis never say never. and virtually a year is a long time in politics. uh will they restore their fortunes by changing leader? absolutely not. >> yeah. kandis. same to you. yes i agree, you agree ? you yes i agree, you agree? you agree. so no. they're basically their toast. and, uh, to you . their toast. and, uh, to you. then, um, finish up with you, henry , your deputy editor for henry, your deputy editor for conservative home. surely you've got positive say. got something positive to say. look it is a is a long time look it is a year is a long time after the years we've had. >> you can't rule anything out. i sunak can not win i think rishi sunak can not win the but recover the the election but recover the situation has situation somewhat if he has a good summer. based on just good summer. but based on just the there's no the fact that there's no candidate ugly the candidate and how ugly the process and process of deposing him and

replacing be, i don't replacing him would be, i don't think plausible to suggest think it's plausible to suggest that of leader that a change of leader now would substantially improve the party's fortunes . party's fortunes. >> well, it's a ridiculous. i personally think it's a ridiculous suggestion, but what do you thank you very do you think? thank you very much, candice much, bill rammell also candice holdsworth and henry hill, lovely to talk to you. and those of their views. what are yours ? of their views. what are yours? gb views out gb news. com or tweet at gb this is gb tweet me at gb news. this is gb news. people's news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, it's time for the great british debate hour. and i'm asking debate this hour. and i'm asking , will the prime , will changing the prime minister, , save the minister, rishi sunak, save the tories? you'll hear thoughts tories? you'll hear the thoughts of my broadcaster and of my panel, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and also former labour adviser former labour party adviser matthew to come , matthew laza. still to come, though this week's difficult conversation . rabbi jonathan conversation. rabbi jonathan romain campaigner olly romain and campaigner olly london will be live to discuss what is going on with regard to holocaust memorial but holocaust memorial day. but first, latest first, let's get your latest news headlines .

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adviser, louser matthew lizzie cundy as a former labour advis absolutely. now, would it make a difference? absolutely. no, reshuffling on no, it would be reshuffling on the titanic. the the bridge of the titanic. the tory of energy . tory government, out of energy. it's out of ideas. and it will soon be out of because the soon be out of time because the electoral of the electoral put it out of the misery. were going misery. i wish we were going to have may 2nd. have an election on may the 2nd. >> we're not because rishi won't have an election on may the 2nd. >>to e're not because rishi won't have an election on may the 2nd. >> to the not because rishi won't have an election on may the 2nd. >> to the polls. ecause rishi won't go to the polls. >> he's not been elected by anybody, yet another anybody, and having yet another unelected leader would just be beyond so afraid beyond a joke. so no, i'm afraid they've going to. they've going to have to. they've bed. they're they've made their bed. they're going it. and going have to lie in it. and it may not end well for them, but they've stick with it. may not end well for them, but the yes, stick with it. may not end well for them, but the yes, but stick with it. may not end well for them, but the yes, but some:k with it. may not end well for them, but the yes, but some might it. may not end well for them, but the yes, but some might argue >> yes, but some might argue that, they do any more that, well, can they do any more damage, lizzie ? damage, lizzie? >> well, all this in—house fighting, i mean, be fighting, i mean, let's be honest, had five prime honest, we've had five prime ministers since 2010, right ? and ministers since 2010, right? and here we go again. the split tory party. they're baying like hounds for blood . another leader hounds for blood. another leader can you believe it? i mean, they're like wolves in sheep's clothing. although . like the clothing. although. like the great winston churchill said, sheep in sheep's clothing , they sheep in sheep's clothing, they are doomed. and they have only

themselves to blame . i'm afraid themselves to blame. i'm afraid nothing can help them now . not nothing can help them now. not even moses, who parted the red sea . not even he could turn. and sea. not even he could turn. and i'm not sure. >> moses hem they have. >> moses hem they have. >> they of this tory party and i just want to ask . i mean, who just want to ask. i mean, who would replace rishi? uh, nadine dorries was saying cameron . dorries was saying cameron. lord, david cameron, one of our most disaster prime ministers who walked out on the country, he ran away, didn't he? who ran away? after brexit, away? yeah. after uh, brexit, after £9 after spending actually £9 million money on his own million of our money on his own campaign. or would we have jeremy , who does seem jeremy hunt, who does seem doesn't anything about the doesn't know anything about the economy since he became chancellor? yeah. um, and i mean, i think rishi hasn't done himself any favours the way he got into government. he parachuted his way into number 10, backstabbing boris in the back already did his, you know, ready for rishi video? oh, yeah. months before . that as well. months before. that as well. >> he had the sun screen as well. said don't don't go red.

that's why he put it i mean well that's it. >> then he's so stupid do >> and then he's so stupid to do his pledges. we'll his five pledges. okay we'll give that's up 4. give him inflation. that's up 4. you know way off you know, it's you know way off the mark. it should be at 2. but at that and that is going to go up in the up with what's going on in the middle sure that's not his fault. >> you know what. yeah. but rishi do stop the boats when rishi why do stop the boats when you pedalo? he's you can't stop a pedalo? he's not boats. but . you can't stop a pedalo? he's not boats. but. he's not stopped the boats. but. he's biased today. >> listen, i agree with you. >> listen, i agree with you. >> i'm sorry. nothing can save the tories . >> i'm sorry. nothing can save the but es . >> i'm sorry. nothing can save the but es. see. >> i'm sorry. nothing can save the but es . see. look, we >> i'm sorry. nothing can save the but es. see. look, we had >> but you see. look, we had somebody looks after somebody here who looks after conservative interests. and conservative interests. um. and he anything he even he couldn't say anything that positive mean, henry that was positive. i mean, henry hill, a conservative home. hill, he's a conservative home. um, he writes them, obviously, and he works with them. he couldn't say anything positive . no. >> and i think, look, i think the thing is, he thought that rishi might improve a little bit, but. the changing bit, but. but the changing leaders is daft. >> cannot a sixth minister. >> idea wm- >> and the idea that we could go back i mean, back to david cameron, i mean, first of all, he's in the lords, which a an issue, but which is a bit of an issue, but also that you just also the idea that you can just have that blast from the past. he the anyway he would split the party anyway because he would split the party anyway bec country after those

the country after brexit, those on the tory party on the right of the tory party think he betrayed the country by campaigning remain in even campaigning to remain in even when lost. when ultimately that lost. >> think >> so do you think do you think they're the they're at risk of becoming the third i think i think third party? i think i think it's i think very hard. it's i think it's very hard. >> they are at risk >> i think they are at risk of having election having their worst ever election result, reform result, because i think reform could so, yes, i could chip away. and so, yes, i think they'll to think i think they'll slip to third, i they can have third, but i think they can have a very bad result. >> you don't think so. >> you don't think so. >> i don't about that. >> well i don't know about that. i conservative party i mean, the conservative party seem years. seem to implode every 20 years. i the labour party i mean, i mean the labour party have corbyn. no, we have with jeremy corbyn. no, we have with jeremy corbyn. no, we have moments. your have our moments. you have your moments, is no way moments, but i there is no way back the tory party. back for the tory party. they forgot about being conservatives. they are the lib dems what real tory dems. they forgot what real tory voters and gone voters want. and they've gone against everything if they do. and now doing their, you know, they're carrot they're dangling the carrot with, tax it's all with, with tax cuts, it's all too little too late. having put out they might take too little too late. having put 0|little they might take too little too late. having put 0|little bit they might take too little too late. having put 0|little bit off. they might take too little too late. having put 0|liwell,it off. they might take too little too late. having put 0|liwell,it off. listen might take too little too late. having put 0|liwell,it off. listen we|ht take too little too late. having put 0|liwell,it off. listen we did ake >> well, well listen we did try and some and some, and find some balance and some, some for the some support for the conservatives, which is why we brought hill because brought on henry hill because he's home and he's from conservative home and even struggling. so uh, even he was struggling. so uh, you know this show. let's see what you think. maybe you can help because this show is nothing you and your

nothing without you and your views. let's welcome our great british opportunity british voices your opportunity to and tell us to be on the show and tell us what think about the topics to be on the show and tell us what discussing.bout the topics to be on the show and tell us what discussing. wheree topics we're discussing. where should we're discussing. where should we the we go? should we go? oh, the maps. getting bristol. maps. bristol getting bristol. let's leigh let's have a chat with leigh harris. let's he can harris. let's see if he can maybe some modicum of maybe find some modicum of support them . uh, for rishi support for them. uh, for rishi leigh , what are your leigh harris, what are your thoughts ? thoughts? >> i'm going to disappoint you. i can ally pally completely agree with, um, matthew and lizzie . lizzie. >> you know, it is too late for the conservatives now. >> you know, they're on a self—inflicted to electoral self—inflicted path to electoral oblivion. the polling is utterly horrendous , and it's getting horrendous, and it's getting worse by the day . worse by the day. >> reformer? >> reformer? >> what, 7 or 8 points behind the conservatives now? they'll be lucky to win 150 seats. we might well get used to nana might as well get used to nana to a labour woke fest from hell for the next decade. but having said that, i do like a gamble. it might be worth getting rid of sunak. there's no way that man can win an election . polling can win an election. polling shows most 2019 conservative voters cannot stand him, and i'm one of them. but don't you know, don't get me wrong, i am under

no illusion that the party as a whole is the problem. >> people want to give them a good kicking at the ballot box, and rightly so. but sunak and the tory wets, in my view , will the tory wets, in my view, will mostly be responsible for the scale of the predicted defeat. >> you know, and the other thing to bear in mind is things are also not that hunky dory for laboun also not that hunky dory for labour. um, we saw from the labour. um, as we saw from the recent results, recent by—election results, they've to increase they've not managed to increase their keir human their vote share. keir human weathervane starmer is still utterly useless and they're having big problems as we know , having big problems as we know, with their position on israel's war with hamas. but just to finish on this , uh, labour are finish on this, uh, labour are going to win simply because the conservative voters are going to stay at home. so a new leader, you know, a real conservative leader with real conservative policies , policies, possibly policies, policies, possibly someone like suella or kemi may might be able to limit the damage. and things are so bad the optics of changing leader now are irrelevant. so maybe it's worth the roll of the dice. they've got nothing to lose . they've got nothing to lose. >> but say that. but who

>> but you say that. but who would harris. would do it? no one, lee harris. thank you so much. good hear thank you so much. good to hear i yeah no one's going to i agree. yeah no one's going to take that poisoned chalice. why? that's just ridiculous. thank you so much lee. he's there. you so much to lee. he's there. he's great british voice now, he's my great british voice now, earlier monologue. earlier i did my monologue. some of have been getting in of you have been getting in touch with to school touch with regard to the school that year old that allowing a four year old boy he's a girl. boy to say that he's a girl. they enrolled him they enlisted, enrolled him as a girl. after girl. allison says even after the treatment of their dna, girl. allison says even after the tichromosomes,3ir dna, girl. allison says even after the tichromosomes, theiria, their chromosomes, their skeletal voice box skeletal structure and voice box will still say that they haven't changed. and they do. and do changed. and they and do. and do so until the end of time . uh, so until the end of time. uh, david says, i think there are groups who will do anything to divide society and remove all the foundations that held us together. lynn says there comes a have to not be a time when you have to not be afraid about this afraid to speak about this ridicule. this perverse ridicule. all this perverse nonsense being instilled nonsense that being instilled into our kids and chris into our kids now. and chris says four year old children lied to by their teachers and parents. seriously dangerous and will a severe lack of will create a severe lack of trust and confidence. couldn't agree more . keep thoughts agree more. keep your thoughts coming. news. com coming. gb views at gb news. com tweet coming up, tweet me at gb news. coming up, it's tweet me at gb news. coming up, wsfime tweet me at gb news. coming up, it's time for this week's difficult conversation. i'll be joined by rabbi jonathan remain.

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good afternoon. it's just coming up to 54 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua now. there's always something going on in the royal household.

and this week has been no different. each saturday i'd different. and each saturday i'd love you a rundown. and love to give you a rundown. and who do so than royal who better to do so than royal biographer angela levin? she joins now . angela. hello. joins me now. angela. hello. right you're matching lizzie, but should we know we didn't talk about it first? >> we just, um , surprised at >> we just, um, surprised at each other's culture. >> my background as well, which is very nice. right. so let's start. should we start with the kings? we should with kings? yes we should start with the he went to his >> um, he went in to have his operation yesterday at 8:45 with camilla. it's very, very unusual . the late duke of edinburgh and the late queen elizabeth always went on their own . so it was went on their own. so it was unheard of. and she stayed there till 3:00 in the afternoon . very till 3:00 in the afternoon. very touching. she wanted to be with him. blow the protocol, blow all that nonsense. he was like a normal couple who wanted to be together when things were, you know, in hospital . and she came know, in hospital. and she came up with a big smile. it was all gone. all right. she went back again, came out at 830 today. she's gone back. he might very well come out tomorrow. things seems to have well, but

seems to have gone well, but i think it would be very difficult for because used to for him because he's so used to working time , so used to working all the time, so used to having, things he's having, you know, things he's got organise and going out to got to organise and going out to places it's very difficult places that it's very difficult when you absolutely have to stop and then wait until you are better. >> he probably quite enjoys it, actually. a little bit of a rest. well he might, he might not. >> he might very >> he might feel very uncomfortable. i mean, some people work really, people like to work really, really and they're not, really hard and if they're not, they're all of scratchy and they're all sort of scratchy and don't quite what to do. but don't quite know what to do. but i know, she's i think that, you know, she's there. she's a very calming. she'll make him laugh and all that sort of thing. she's been very the way . queen very busy, by the way. queen camilla, mean, now the camilla, i mean, she's now the patron the anne frank's, patron of the anne frank's, which she said that just before the holocaust . and that's good the holocaust. and that's good because people wanted to change the name and make it more, um , the name and make it more, um, diverse. they wanted to call it world explorer and i think other people. yes. ridiculous >> other people that doesn't roll off the tongue . roll off the tongue. >> she will do very well. um,

and she's also doing a book launch with the wife of, um, macron in france, which is actually very good, encouraging her interest in literature. um around europe . um, so she's been around europe. um, so she's been extremely busy and, uh, look after her much loved husband at the same time. well that's that's what she should be doing. >> yeah. that's normal, isn't it? >> absolutely. yeah. and then we have harry and meghan . oh, god. have harry and meghan. oh, god. and lot of talk about and there's a lot of talk about why they actually went to jamaica and that it was completely the wrong time . now, completely the wrong time. now, the question is, did they go there deliberate so they could speak to the prime minister and show that he would like show them that he would like them, not like . um, william them, but not like. um, william and catherine, who went out and in 2022 and he said, i'm leaving . i want to get rid of it. but i don't think he wants to leave the commonwealth. i think he just wants to be independent.

and the king is very keen on that. he's no problem with that. he's got no problem with that. people grow up, countries grow perfectly all grow up and that's perfectly all right. were right. and also they were concerned they they were up concerned why they they were up against, um, close to the paramount boss because they're supposed to be really with netflix . and this was this a netflix. and this was this a question that, um, that . they question that, um, that. they were trying to get a job for meghan there was they're always looking for jobs. >> so probably. looking for jobs. >> so probably . yes, probably. >> so probably. yes, probably. >> so probably. yes, probably. >> but it's a bit unsubtle . >> but it's a bit unsubtle. i think. really. um, but there they were. she looked extraordinary over dressed when you than going to a cinema. really. and a, um, a film because the dress was absolutely enormous . and it's a sort of enormous. and it's a sort of thing that you see at the awards ceremony. so so i think people have really laughed at them and they wonder , actually, what on they wonder, actually, what on earth are they doing ? there's earth are they doing? there's nothing other people are scurrying around doing as scurrying around doing much as they can. and if they'd stayed with the royal family, they

could have been extremely useful . but now they just want to prove they're stronger them prove they're stronger than them they other than they liked. in other ways than them, to do it them, and they're going to do it their way. and think it's very their way. and i think it's very self, , killing really . self, um, killing really. >> it's very, very i mean, the behaviour from the two of them, you think that they would kind of evolve that actually of evolve and see that actually this doesn't work. the approach that , but they that they're using, but they don't appear to want which that they're using, but they dcquiteypear to want which that they're using, but they dcquite odd' to want which that they're using, but they dcquite odd really, tl which that they're using, but they dcquite odd really, isn't which that they're using, but they dcquite odd really, isn't it.|ich is quite odd really, isn't it. yes. >> don't sense what the >> they don't sense what the room what room is saying to them or what anybody saying them. anybody is saying to them. they're going their they're going to do it their way. straight line way. they have a straight line and ifs way. they have a straight line and it's not going to and actually it's not going to help them go because help them go anywhere because people they're not people feel that they're not behaving properly and they're fed up with it. and to keep on moaning, moaning, moaning is just very good idea to get just not a very good idea to get people like you. people to like you. >> no, not at all. i don't i don't really i don't get don't really get it. i don't get what doing and why what they're doing and why they're and why, you they're doing it and why, you know, the king they're doing it and why, you kno being the king they're doing it and why, you kno being well the king they're doing it and why, you kno being well and the king they're doing it and why, you kno being well and obviouslyg not being well and obviously with as well. yeah. with catherine as well. yeah. i'm worried catherine. i'm worried about catherine. >> worried about >> yes, i'm worried about catherine. i everybody is catherine. i think everybody is worried about catherine very nicely that the king and queen

went to see her this morning . went to see her this morning. um, because they're in the same hospital . well, i thought that hospital. well, i thought that was very and she must feel was very nice. and she must feel well enough , otherwise that well enough, otherwise that wouldn't happened . and i wouldn't have happened. and i believe that she might come home any day now. perhaps yes. they said she's going to be in at least two weeks so that people don't start getting more worried after that time. but um, i hope she'll come out and she'll obviously be very, very well looked after. and we will breathe relief. >> yeah , but she couldn't be in >> yeah, but she couldn't be in a better place . doctors and all a better place. doctors and all the right doctors and nurses as the right doctors and nurses as the king as well. angela levin, thank you very much. always a pleasure. as royal biographer angela levin giving the angela levin giving us the latest behind palace latest from behind the palace walls stay nana walls. we'll stay tuned to nana akua. this is gb news tv akua. this is gb news on tv onune akua. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio loads more to come in the next hour. houn hour. it's 5:00. welcome. if

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public to avoid the area. queen camilla has visited the king in hospital as he recovers from a procedure for an enlarged prostate . the king is resting at prostate. the king is resting at the london clinic for a second day after receiving treatment there. buckingham palace says king charles is doing well. it's the same hospital where the princess of wales is cared princess of wales is being cared for, following abdominal surgery. >> people always say he was a centric. he was old fashioned out of touch. saw that out of touch. i never saw that when i worked for him, and i think that's what the are think that's what the public are getting that's where getting to see. and that's where there's this affection. so the fact having this fact that he is having this procedure, obviously the public want let them know want to kind of let them know that thinking them. that they're thinking of them. and princess and the same with princess of wales. there's wales. i understand there's been many, and many, many, many letters and cards to her wishing her cards sent to her wishing her the best of health. >> grant shapps says it's our duty to protect the navigation of the red sea after a british backed oil tanker was hit by a houthi missile. the vessel in the gulf of aden went up in flames on friday after it was targeted by houthi rebels. a blaze in marlin luanda's cargo tank was extinguished with the help of indian, and french help of indian, us and french navy vessels. all crew are

reported . to be safe and the reported. to be safe and the united kingdom is pausing funding for the united nations gaza aid group following allegations that staff participated in the october seventh attacks. the foreign office says the uk is appalled by allegations that the unrwa staff were involved in the heinous act of terrorism that the uk government has repeatedly condemned the uk is suspending any future funding , as are any future funding, as are finland, the us, italy , finland, the us, italy, australia and canada. following a review, representatives from the gaza relief agency have pleaded with allies to reverse the decision . varne, the decision. varne, a spokesperson for the foreign office, says we remain committed to getting humanitarian aid to the people in gaza who desperately need it . the desperately need it. the ministry of defence will neither confirm nor deny plans for the uk to house us nuclear weapons. pentagon documents seen by the telegraph detail how raf lakenheath in suffolk will house the nuclear warheads . it follows

the nuclear warheads. it follows warnings from a senior nato official that countries should ready for war with moscow within the next 20 years. as a spokesperson for the ministry of defence says it remains a long standing uk and nato policy to neither confirm nor deny the presence of nuclear weapons at any given location . uk any given location. uk intelligence services are not equipped to handle covert threats from china. that's the warning from former mi6 deputy head nigel inkster. warning from former mi6 deputy head nigel inkster . speaking to head nigel inkster. speaking to the i newspaper. he said the problem includes m15, m16 and gchq. problem includes m15, m16 and gchq . mr inkster said issues gchq. mr inkster said issues include language, expertise and historical and cultural awareness . he also said beijing awareness. he also said beijing is operating industrial scale cyber espionage operations against western countries . and against western countries. and up to 11,000 staff working for john lewis and waitrose could lose their jobs over the next five years. that's according to the guardian newspaper. there reporting that the john lewis partnership , which owns the partnership, which owns the stores, is considering cuts to at least 10% of the workforce .

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before. i'll be speaking to, uh, about these experiences and the importance of remembering the millions of people murdered in the holocaust. so joining me now is author, singer and tv personality olly london. olly, thank you very much for joining me. it's really good to speak to you.so me. it's really good to speak to you. so listen, olly , a lot of you. so listen, olly, a lot of people might think, well, you're you're you know, you you're you know, how are you sort of associated this? sort of associated with this? hopefully rabbi hopefully we'll get rabbi jonathan he jonathan remain on as well. he we of it at the we can't get hold of it at the moment. but i'm so grateful for you because i've seen you to come in because i've seen you to come in because i've seen you of you do lots of things, lots of events people of events to support the people of israel the jewish israel and also the jewish community. about israel and also the jewish con sortiity. about israel and also the jewish consort of. about israel and also the jewish consort of things about israel and also the jewish consort of things you've about israel and also the jewish consort of things you've been ut the sort of things you've been doing and why this, this time of year this particular year and also this particular day is important. >> you i've always >> well, you know, i've always looked through history. >> i've always looked at the penod >> i've always looked at the period 1930s, you period between the 1930s, you know, and books, and documentaries and books, and you've build up of this anti—semitism. >> and witnessing now >> and what we're witnessing now is that. it's akin is akin to that. it's akin to, you know , the star of david you know, the star of david being drawn on buildings. we've seen berlin recently, seen that in berlin recently, evenin seen that in berlin recently, even in beverly hills and there's a lot of fear mongering against jewish people. there's a lot targeted and lot of targeted attacks and targeted hate, and a of

targeted hate, and a lot of jewish feel scared now, jewish people feel scared now, just they did in the 1930s. just like they did in the 1930s. and extremely important and today is extremely important because we mark because obviously we mark the holocaust , because obviously we mark the holocaust, um, and the because obviously we mark the holocaust , um, and the horrors holocaust, um, and the horrors that happened in history. and we saw, you know, a massacre on october 7th that claimed over 1200 lives. and there are still , 1200 lives. and there are still, uh, over 130 hostages in israel. and we've seen, you know, so many protests around the world. and, you know, while we can say there are bad things that happen on both sides, um , you know, on both sides, um, you know, we've seen a lot of anti—semitism rising and some jewish people, even feel that they're in israel. so they're safer in israel. so i was really horrified by what happened. was really horrified by what happened . and been happened. and i've been campaigning visited campaigning for that. i visited israel for, uh, kibbutz aza, one of sites. the massacres , um, of the sites. the massacres, um, uh, in december also been helping with various organisations to bring some of the young adult survivors to the united kingdom. um, and also took part in a gala the other night, the british friends um, for the art museums of israel society, which raised several hundred thousand pounds , um, hundred thousand pounds, um, basically helping to rebuild an art gallery in kibbutz be'eri

that was destroyed on october 7th. it's so distressing, isn't it? >> if you think about it now, we spoke to uri geller earlier and uri said that now he was receiving messages on their phones. do they have that phone system which gives you when the missiles are dropping and all sorts? and actually were sorts? and actually there were reports people reports now saying that people in gaza calling on hamas to in gaza were calling on hamas to stop. so the people of gaza now are i'm praying that that is thatis are i'm praying that that is that is true. and the people are saying, look, we want this to stop. yeah actually, the last few days has been multiple few days there has been multiple videos come of videos that have come out of khan younis, which is in the southern gaza strip, and there have been hundreds of palestinians taking to the streets and saying enough is enough. >> yeah, hamas need to stop, release the hostages. let's end this stuff. and we this war and stuff. and we haven't really that before. haven't really seen that before. we've people we've seen a few brave people that, out and, that, you know, speak out and, you know, at risk of their own life and now we're starting to see a real kind of the people turning against that, you know. so that is a step in the right

direction. um, and, and the idf has pretty much surrounded khan younis, which is one of the remaining enclaves that hamas control. i think we are control. so i think we are seeing the end of that. um, but of course, there are still rocket attacks against israel. and obviously we just had, uh, the united kingdom, us, canada, australia, finland and italy have suspended all funding to the united nations. uh . a unrwa the united nations. uh. a unrwa agency , because 12 of their agency, because 12 of their staff members are alleged in a damning report to have participated in that october 7th attack. >> that's frightening, isn't it? really frightening that if that is to be true. but the agencies aren't taking the countries aren't taking the countries aren't any of this aren't taking any of this lightly and they've pulled out, i but that is i think it's sad, but that is literally the right thing to do. there's issue with there's also the issue with south um, you south africa as well. um, you know, trying to say that israel were conducting genocide, were conducting a genocide, which is ironic, you know, especially with today being national. uh uh, worldwide memorial holocaust day today. yeah it's very ironic and hypocritical because actually,

in south africa, there is a pretty much a genocide going on against white farmers . against white farmers. >> and we've seen, um, one of the main political leaders, um, julius, he's been doing rallies and he's saying, chanting kill the everyone's chanting and he's saying, chanting kill the which everyone's chanting and he's saying, chanting kill the which everykill s chanting and he's saying, chanting kill the which everykill the anting and he's saying, chanting kill the which every kill the white! that, which means kill the white farmers. they, you know, calling them there have farmers. they, you know, calling them uh, there have farmers. they, you know, calling them uh, weekly there have farmers. they, you know, calling them uh, weekly attackse have farmers. they, you know, calling them uh, weekly attacks on|ve been, uh, weekly attacks on elderly farmers, couples they get tied up, they get killed. and technically, the south and so technically, the south african allowing african government is allowing that anything that they have not done anything to so they are the to stop that. so they are the last country to kind of criticise country, criticise another country, claiming genocide. of claiming genocide. and of course, the international court of justice in the hague has just ruled that, um , uh, they've ruled that, um, uh, they've preliminary measures , uh, that preliminary measures, uh, that there's not an ongoing genocide . there's not an ongoing genocide. but israel has to obviously prevent any, uh, acts of war that may be considered genocide . that may be considered genocide. and they haven't called for a ceasefire because they have basically agreed with israel that they to get rid of that they do need to get rid of hamas their national hamas for their own national security . security reasons. >> well, that's it, >> well, well, that's it, because, again , the irony is because, again, the irony is hamas specifically said hamas have specifically said that rid of all that we want to get rid of all the so it's not so it the jews. so it's not so it seems somewhat absurd that

anyone would take that call. and again , hypocritical of south again, hypocritical of south africa to be the ones to be pointing at anyone , pointing the finger at anyone, if anything. so. so talk to me about some the work that you about some of the work that you are up . are doing coming up. >> well. >> well. >> so i've been working with the as a foundation, which was basically up in the wake of basically set up in the wake of the atrocities, it's they've the atrocities, and it's they've actually fundraising actually hit the fundraising target £250,000 within the last month, which is incredible. um, so fantastic so it's a fantastic organisation. they're actually bringing 100 young adults over to uk , um, for a very to the uk, um, for a very special trip. and we're also working on getting around 30 of those people scholarships those young people scholarships in the uk well, which is an in the uk as well, which is an incredible thing, know, for incredible thing, you know, for these that really these people that have really lost family members, they've witnessed these atrocities, they've , you they've survived, you know, you have to think they need some kind hope in their life, you kind of hope in their life, you know, because must be so know, because it must be so traumatic up know, because it must be so trau remembering up know, because it must be so trau remembering happened and remembering what happened that day. so these these young people so i'm, you people need hope. so i'm, you know, on that and also know, working on that and also working us working on stuff with the us election because obviously that's pivotal that's very pivotal. pivotal whatever happens in america affects the world.

affects the rest of the world. >> is quite something, >> that is quite something, isn't it? the trump has been fined. 85 million? fined. was it 65 or 85 million? which is absurd because the limit was supposed be 10 limit was supposed to be 10 million. does look a bit million. so it does look a bit odd that something. but but it's unlikely going have unlikely he's ever going to have to is it? to pay that really, is it? >> unlikely. the >> it's very unlikely. and the reason case was in court reason this case was in court was because the courts sorry, the e jean carroll trump's accuser basically said that he defamed her, destroying her reputation for basically claiming she she was a liar. she didn't know what the date, the decade when it happened. she just things up and just kept making things up and stuff and she, you know, she wasn't credible at all. so, you know, that and know, trump called that out. and because did that, was because he did that, he was taken court in this lawsuit. taken to court in this lawsuit. and has to pay 83.3 million, and now has to pay 83.3 million, um, which , you know, i don't um, which, you know, i don't know whether he will end up paying know whether he will end up paying that or not because is paying that or not because he is challenging ruling. paying that or not because he is chawell, ng ruling. paying that or not because he is chawell, we'll ruling. paying that or not because he is chawell, we'll talkling. paying that or not because he is chawell, we'll talk more about >> well, we'll talk more about that worldview tomorrow. but that in worldview tomorrow. but let's have chat with rabbi let's have a chat with rabbi jonathan romain. he's a director of synagogue . and of maidenhead synagogue. and rabbi, much rabbi, thank you so much for joining want to ask joining us. um, i want to ask you about today an and why it's

so significant to the jewish community. obviously, most of us will know the answer, but in community. obviously, most of us will view the answer, but in community. obviously, most of us will view and answer, but in community. obviously, most of us will view and yourer, but in community. obviously, most of us will view and your words in community. obviously, most of us will view and your words ,n community. obviously, most of us will view and your words , well, your view and your words, well, unfortunately it is significant, partly because of history and, you know, 6 million people, they happen to be jews , but it's the happen to be jews, but it's the worst. >> uh, act of genocide in in history ever . >> uh, act of genocide in in history ever. um, but also, unfortunately , other people have unfortunately, other people have suffered as well. we can think of those in rwanda or rohingyas or pol pot or , uh, you know, or pol pot or, uh, you know, darfur or unfortunately the list goes on. and that brave cry, which we all said in 1945, never again . n well, unfortunately it again. n well, unfortunately it has happened again . uh, and also has happened again. uh, and also not to just other people, but to jewish people not on the same scale, of course, but anti—semitism , um, you know, has anti—semitism, um, you know, has survived the 20th century and is alive and well in the 21st. um, and we saw it in anti—semitic incidents throughout europe . and incidents throughout europe. and incidents throughout europe. and in a sense, we also saw and this was what terrified so many jews in the october 7th attack,

because what was distinctive about the hamas attack was it wasn't just like fighting israel military, which is what has happenedin military, which is what has happened in the past. um, but it was the brutality with which they attacked civilians . um, they attacked civilians. um, and, you know, uh, disgusting things like raping women, doing , things like raping women, doing, cutting off body parts of women and smashing babies against the wall. i mean, this was not just, uh , a battle. it was sheer , uh, a battle. it was sheer, unadulterated hatred and it was it's what comes when any one people thinks another people are less equal than them. and it's happened to us, the jews. unfortunate it can happen to anybody else as well . anybody else as well. >> so are you. are you surprised 7 >> so are you. are you surprised ? surprised? i mean, i was absolutely astonished by the level of anti—semitism . i, as a level of anti—semitism. i, as a black woman, have never experienced that level of racism . um, ever. so to see such high levels of anti—semites ism, which is a form of another form, pretty much of racism, are you surprised with how much has been seen around the world as well ? seen around the world as well? >> yeah , yes.

>> yeah, yes. >> yeah, yes. >> unfortunately i am surprised because you're absolutely right. anti—semitism is racism. so if you're against racism , which i you're against racism, which i hope most people are, then you should extend that to anti semitism as well. and unfortunate it's a virus that seems to survive whatever treatment we give it. we try education, we try museums. um, andifs education, we try museums. um, and it's genuinely puzzled , and it's genuinely puzzled, puzzling why people have to hate and also hate one particular people. i mean , most jews, you people. i mean, most jews, you know, jews are very ordinary people. and we go, i've just come out of a football match, you know, we're just like anybody there's you know, we're just like anylvisceral there's you know, we're just like anylvisceral whichere's you know, we're just like anylvisceral which just this visceral hatred which just sees jews or other people as qualitatively different . and qualitatively different. and clearly we're not. >> yeah. it's shocking. so so today then, um, very important day. what will you be doing to commemorate it? well thinking quite a lot. >> um, lighting candles, saying prayers and particularly in my case, because what i've just told you isn't just history.

it's sort of biography because i'm actually a child of a survivor. my mother came over to england in 19th august 1939, just a few weeks before war broke out, and she was one of the lucky ones, even though she was traumatised, separated from her family, came to a different country , a new language. she was country, a new language. she was the lucky one because she survived and frankly, if she hadnt survived and frankly, if she hadn't got out on the kindertransport britain, as kindertransport when britain, as you know, allowed 10,000 jewish children to escape from germany and austria, if she hadn't got out, then she would have ended up in auschwitz or of the up in auschwitz or one of the other concentration camps, extermination camps. and i wouldn't be here and i wouldn't be talking to you right now. so this very not just for this is very alive, not just for me, but for many, many jews who for whom? this isn't just a memory. it's a living reality. and our lives have been influenced by it negatively. obviously but also hopefully we can be a reminder , living can be a reminder, living reminder of what happened when hatred rules the world. >> well, listen, rabbi jonathan romain, thank you very much for

talking to us. rabbi talking to us. that's rabbi jonathan romain. he's the director synagogue director of maidenhead synagogue . me the studio . uh, joining me in the studio now on do know, now on london. do you know, ollie? i many years ago did a film or a play for kindertransport , and i was kindertransport, and i was actually one of the children who was transported . so it was, you was transported. so it was, you know, so i'm and also i visited auschwitz and birkenau. so have you have you visited auschwitz or any of those places? because i've got to say, i mean, i was actually just at the holocaust museum, in tel aviv , and it museum, um, in tel aviv, and it was very raw. >> i they have compiled >> i mean, they have compiled over many years a list of 5 million of the 6 million victims in that museum. and they actually have their names. and where they're from. you where they're from. and, you know, was with, uh, know, a person i was with, uh, she's london. she was she's from london. she was visiting. she's jewish. um, she actually found her grandparents name on there, which was very, very, uh, sad. you know, we very, uh, sad. so, you know, we i think holocaust education is very, very important because, you there been recent you know, there have been recent polls studies show polls and studies that show a lot of generation uh, deny it lot of generation z, uh, deny it or try to dismiss what happened in the holocaust. and i think

there is a growing, uh, move out of anti—semitism. so, you know , of anti—semitism. so, you know, that needs to be addressed. >> all right. well, listen, ollie, thank you much for ollie, thank you so much for coming people want to coming in. if people want to follow on socials, can follow you on socials, where can they find you? >> very active twitter >> i'm so very active on twitter and politics london and politics at ollie london tv and politics at ollie london tv and ollie ollie. >> keep up the great work. thank you so much forjoining me. so that was at london and that was ollie at london and also jonathan romain, also rabbi jonathan romain, director of maidenhead synagogue that difficult that was difficult conversations. just tuned conversations. if you just tuned in. it's just coming up in. welcome. it's just coming up to minutes 5:00. coming to 20 minutes after 5:00. coming up . do you support the death up. do you support the death penalty ? up next though, it's penalty? up next though, it's time for the great british debate this hour. asking , is debate this hour. i'm asking, is it bnng debate this hour. i'm asking, is it bring back national it time to bring back national service .

>> michael portillo, gb news. >> michael portillo, gb news. >> britain's news channel in 2024. >> gb news is britain's election channel. come and join me this thursday in scunthorpe. live by scanning the qr code or going on gbillionews.com to get your ticket for the event, we'll be discussing things like why the green agenda is risking jobs in places like scunthorpe . places like scunthorpe. >> good afternoon , welcome on >> good afternoon, welcome on board. this is a gbp news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. don't forget as well you can stream the show live on youtube or you can even download the gb news app for free. but it's the gb news app for free. but wsfime the gb news app for free. but it's time now for the great british debate. this hour and i'm asking, is it time to bring back national service ? a top back national service? a top nato military official has warned that we must prepare for

all out war with russia. now, the officials said that governments and civilians must also for possibility also prepare for the possibility of bringing back national service. many have supported the idea of that in the uk, arguing that it would equip youngsters with the skills they need to thrive in the modern world. i know i support it, i wrote a little piece about it. i think it's exactly what they need, especially those of them that want to carry zombie knives and stuff like that. it'll give them a chance to get some discipline back, the sense back, and also the sense of family. you think? so family. what do you think? so for the great debate for the great british debate this is it this hour, i'm asking, is it time back national time to bring back national service ? so joining me now is service? so joining me now is former labour special adviser paul richards, gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson author broadcaster political commentator nigel nelson reed)r broadcaster political commentator nigel nelson reed and broadcaster political commentator nigel nelson reed and formericaster political commentator nigel nelson reed and former adviser rebecca reed and former adviser to david cameron. philip blonde. i'm going to start with you , i'm going to start with you, blondie. i'm teasing philip, blonde . what do you think? is it blonde. what do you think? is it time bring national time to bring back national service ? service? >> well, i think it's time to bnng >> well, i think it's time to bring back some sort of service and i think national service can be part of that.

>> i don't think i think we should have a civic service, a national civic service, of which service in the army should should be one option. >> i think that the needs across the uk are so multiple that that if we were able to get young people involved in meeting those needs, it would be of enormous benefit to the nation. >> i don't think the army wants , >> i don't think the army wants, um, enormous numbers . it um, enormous numbers. it couldn't cope with them, couldn't cope with them, couldn't train them. but i think if you made it voluntary to spend your civic service in national service, that would give an enormous boost to our armed forces because it would improve recruitment. it would be a manageable amount. and also it would help anything from depending what people wanted to do, social care , education, um, do, social care, education, um, helping their own community in multiple . multiple. >> but you could have all those things under the umbrella of what is national, what is termed

as national service. i hear you, rebecca. read >> i think national service is a great idea . i just think you great idea. i just think you should do it when you're 55. so i any reason why i don't see any reason why there's this obsession with making teenagers do it, particularly when at the particularly when that's at the beginning developing beginning of you developing your social , going out, social life, dating, going out, growing up, changing . growing up, changing. >> and it seems that the people who want it the most are the people who about 50 plus. who want it the most are the peoso�* who about 50 plus. who want it the most are the peoso let's about 50 plus. who want it the most are the peoso let's give about 50 plus. who want it the most are the peoso let's give itout 50 plus. who want it the most are the peoso let's give it to: 50 plus. who want it the most are the peoso let's give it to them.us. who want it the most are the peoso let's give it to them .is. >> so let's give it to them. you've got loads experience, you've got loads of experience, you've a career, could you've had a career, you could be useful . you could be in be very useful. you could be in teaching, you could in social care. >> so much to offer. care. >> so what! to offer. care. >> so what the offer. care. >> so what the people who do it. so the people who are so you think the people who are going out there making money. so getting and supporting getting the jobs and supporting their should it? i think. ones that should do it? i think. >> 55 when you're coming >> post 55 when you're coming towards the of career, towards the end of your career, it would take of it would take out some of the congestion in industry. >> that people >> it would mean that people will willing to be will perhaps more willing to be more their more flexible in their expectations. think it's, you expectations. i think it's, you know, not earn your pension know, why not earn your pension a um, so i think it a bit more? um, so i think it would think much would be a very i think much more interesting. >> i think therefore giving >> and i think therefore giving teenagers more space. and teenagers a bit more space. and for goodness sake, why would anybody 18 year anybody want to give an 18 year old ? um, at least by the

old a gun? um, at least by the time you get to 50, you've got some sense world around you. >> at least but if you >> well, but at least but if you countries israel and other countries like israel and other countries like israel and other countries that are quite developed, norway, they developed, like norway, they they national service they all have national service and some of them have brought it in recently and it sounds like a good thing. let's go to paul richards, former labour adviser. >> i think it's a daft idea. uh, we need a larger professional army, but modern soldiering is a very complex and difficult job, and the idea that you can just round up all the 18 year olds, shave their heads, shove a rifle in hands and send them off in their hands and send them off to some far flung part of the empire, is just not a modern idea of how an army should work . idea of how an army should work. >> i agree with philip. we need more things for young people to do, that should youth do, but that should be youth clubs and boxing clubs and anything else that gets them off the gets of the streets and gets them out of the streets and gets them out of the gangs. idea that you the gangs. but the idea that you put years worth army put two two years worth of army service on people don't want service on people who don't want to there , uh, even army to be there, uh, even the army would stupid idea, would say that's a stupid idea, but but if it becomes if but yeah, but if it becomes if it's a compulsory thing for

young people and every young person has to do it, um, then i was actually my, my babysitter , was actually my, my babysitter, who is 17. >> she's a teenager. i said, would you do national service ? would you do national service? and she went, no, i said, what, what if it was compulsory? she went, well, yeah, i would. then i said, well, would mind it? i said, well, would you mind it? and she went, well, if i had to, i'd i don't i'd do it. nigel nelson i don't think make anything compulsory. >> i think those days >> i think that those days have certainly passed , and the whole certainly passed, and the whole point national service back point of national service back in the 40s and 50s was the towards the end of empire, when we had military commitments in the middle east, africa, asia and europe much greater than we have now. >> the downside side of it was it took 2 million young men out of the workforce and hampered post—war war, reconstruction now , if we do the same thing now, we have the same problems. we'd end up taking them out of the workforce and that means that while trying to grow the while we're trying to grow the economy, they wouldn't be

available to go and do it. >> yeah, but 17, 18 year olds, i mean, they are at that point in their life . some of them used to their life. some of them used to go interrailing taking a year off university or college off before university or college or taking time out. off before university or college or taking time out . surely that or taking time out. surely that would the perfect time . and would be the perfect time. and if you make it voluntary, you're not going to get what you need. but there are lots of functions of things like national service, the sense of cohesion, patriotism, all of those things. nigel, surely you would argue that there would nigel, surely you would argue the some there would nigel, surely you would argue the some benefits there would nigel, surely you would argue thésome benefits in here would nigel, surely you would argue the some benefits in that would nigel, surely you would argue thésome benefits in that ./ould be some benefits in that. >> well, i mean, anyone who's actually done national service >> well, i mean, anyone who's ac getting one national service >> well, i mean, anyone who's acgetting one national service >> well, i mean, anyone who's acgetting on aiational service >> well, i mean, anyone who's acgetting on a bitonal service >> well, i mean, anyone who's acgetting on a bit now,service >> well, i mean, anyone who's acgetting on a bit now, butice >> well, i mean, anyone who's acgetting on a bit now, but the is getting on a bit now, but the ones i've talked the past, ones i've talked to in the past, they also taught them they say it also taught them exactly how to break the rules without caught , how to without being caught, how to subvert . subvert authority. >> um, if you don't want to be in something and if you're forced to go and do it, i don't think that helps with discipline. >> it just helps you around >> it just helps you get around the system well, but if it becomes a of uh, paul i >> -- >> well, it becomes a part of life. and . that's something that life. and. that's something that you envisage. and, you know , and

you envisage. and, you know, and you envisage. and, you know, and you have, you know, that's going to be the way it is when you're young and you know that when you get to this age, you that get to this age, you do that just you know, you go just like you. you know, you go to know, you have to school, you know, you have to do know, if it becomes do this. you know, if it becomes a of the sort curriculum a part of the sort of curriculum as it were, life the a part of the sort of curriculum as it vipeople life the a part of the sort of curriculum as it vipeople here, the a part of the sort of curriculum as it vipeople here, surely people young people here, surely people would young people here, surely people wotwell, young people do >> well, many young people do acclimatise joining acclimatise to that by joining the the force or the the army or the air force or the navy and serving in the armed forces all laud them and forces and we all laud them and praise but voluntary praise them. but it's voluntary and certain praise them. but it's voluntary and experiences. certain praise them. but it's voluntary and experiences. not certain praise them. but it's voluntary and experiences. not all:ertain praise them. but it's voluntary and experiences. not all oftain praise them. but it's voluntary and come'iences. not all oftain praise them. but it's voluntary and come out:es. not all oftain praise them. but it's voluntary and come out:es. i\goodl oftain them come out with good experiences, of course. um, and but must something but it must be something that you has to you do, and the state has to open up opportunities for young people in lots of different ways. want to ways. you know, if you want to into the then we should into the army, then we should support . but the other support you. but on the other hand, go into the hand, if you want to go into the national or national health service or social you should be social care, then you should be able to do that too. it's the it's the coercion and the idea of sudden influx of of of a sudden influx of a lot of young people who just don't want to will find every to be there and will find every way flout authority . is just way to flout authority. is just not there . not there. >> well, let's let's just go. well but philip, philip, these,

these they're saying, oh, look at the little 1 in 15 years time, 16 years time. rebecca. yeah absolutely. no, no, no , yeah absolutely. no, no, no, this is what i've actually throws and catches a ball. >> she would not be any use to anybody. >> maybe years, 16 >> yeah. maybe in 15 years, 16 years service. philip yeah i there's way of >> yeah i think there's a way of blending perfectly blending all these perfectly legitimate criticisms i >> -- >> look, our society is polarising our. >> look, our society is polarising our . and that's polarising our. and that's dangerous to national security. that's dangerous . dangerous to that's dangerous. dangerous to social security . social security. >> we are living in in a society of ever decreasing circle where we socialise only with people more and more like ourselves. >> and . and this creates all >> and. and this creates all manner of fragmentation and social danger. >> so i think that it's a very goodidea >> so i think that it's a very good idea to have some sort of social requirement in our society to serve others. >> now, i do like the idea that you could do national service when you're 55. i think that's actually, um, quite interesting

because that is also a time when lots of people have experience. most people have early retirement. they're still healthy. so good idea . healthy. so very good idea. >> i agree with the >> i also agree with the comments around compulsion . comments around compulsion. >> i think it's more in the spirit of britishness that you're you're free to apply. spirit of britishness that you're you're free to apply . you you're you're free to apply. you know, your your social good, if you will, across a range of, of pathways . but it's certainly pathways. but it's certainly true that some young people would be both motivated by and helped by joining the armed forces, even for a period of time. i don't think there's any doubt about that. and also, the armed forces are suffering a recruitment crisis . recruitment crisis. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> but you have if you have people motivated to be in any of these civic services, what i would call it . um, domains, then would call it. um, domains, then . i think it would be a huge national good. and i think it's something we should explore. well, listen, i've got i'm going

to the news in a minute. >> rebecca, i want to give you 10s to finish up. so uh, briefly from you final thoughts, i, i would remind that would just remind everybody that the begging the army was begging for national service to be ended originally were originally because they were desperate to not have useless teenagers were suited to it. >> i think the army would the >> i think the army would be the last actually wanted this. so %- %— >> so bring back national service. or no? service. yes. yes or no? rebecca? or no? no. phillip. rebecca? yes or no? no. phillip. blonde civics blonde yes or no? civics service? yes. well, uh, paul richards, yes or no? nope and nigel nelson, yes or no? >> no. right >> no. right >> well, thank you for your thoughts. obviously. talk to you all. thank you. that's their views. gb views. all. thank you. that's their view gb gb views. all. thank you. that's their view gb news. gb views. all. thank you. that's their viewgb news. com. gb views. all. thank you. that's their viewgb news. com. you're'iews. all. thank you. that's their viewgb news. com. you're with. and gb news. com. you're with me. nana we'll me. i'm nana akua. we'll continue the great british continue with the great british debate asking, debate this hour. i'm asking, should . we bring back national should. we bring back national service? i think it should be compulsory. you'll hear the thoughts of my panel, matthew laza and lizzie cundy. but first, let's get your latest news headlines . news headlines. >> thanks, nana. it's 533. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom , a . major incident has

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crime rate shoplifting epidemic. um, and it is scary. crime rate shoplifting epidemic. um, and it is scary . people are um, and it is scary. people are scared to go out and kids have lost their way and focus . but lost their way and focus. but for i don't think the army for me, i don't think the army does exist to . just be there to does exist to. just be there to help the youth out. because the government has really let them down. >> do you see it that way ? >> do you see it that way? >> do you see it that way? >> really, i do nana and i look, my father was a colonel in the war. i have a best friend that is a major. and they said, look, you know, the army don't want kids don't want to be kids that don't want to be there. is for there. the army is there for those really to those that really want to do this. this is not this is not the this is national service. yeah. that service . so you yeah. but that service. so you don't in army don't have to go in the army i think i think solution is to have it at um at schools, including, and including, you know, state and private , that you have a kind of private, that you have a kind of compulsory cadets where you learn and you give them a focus because forget, at age learn and you give them a focus be18, se forget, at age learn and you give them a focus be18, that's forget, at age learn and you give them a focus be18, that's theyrget, at age learn and you give them a focus be18, that's the age , at age learn and you give them a focus be18, that's the age where age learn and you give them a focus be18, that's the age where yous of 18, that's the age where you are hoping to get into a job, work an apprentice . there should work an apprentice. there should be opportunities for kids. be more opportunities for kids. well, i do, i do israel, countries like israel , uh,

countries like israel, uh, norway, they've all started national service. yes, they have . yeah. but i, i don't think you can force a teenagers 18 year olds to do it. and the fact is, um, we need to do more and give more opportunities to , to the more opportunities to, to the younger generation. but i don't think that is i just don't think it would work. nana matthew laza. >> so i agree with lizzie that i don't think we should bring back a national service in terms of those images of the 50s of people being sent off to the, you know, to the army, rather reluctantly . but i think we reluctantly. but i think we could do is bring a form of could do is bring back a form of citizen service people. citizen service where people. >> playing >> well, you're just playing with citizen with words. all right. citizen service, national service. it's the same thing. >> well, i think i think i'm not sure whether i believe it should be should be made compulsory, but i think that you know, giving people the opportunity to serve country ways well. >> it's great to serve your country by joining military, >> it's great to serve your cothat's by joining military, >> it's great to serve your cothat's by joi you military, >> it's great to serve your cothat's by joi you wantnilitary, >> it's great to serve your cothat's by joi you want to itary, if that's what you want to do as a career. and sadly, not enough people moment. we people do at the moment. and we need something about that. need to do something about that.

but there be but i think there should be alternative. yeah, you could have that. you could have. i wouldn't make compulsory. wouldn't make it compulsory. >> citizen sort >> you could have a citizen sort of civilian type thing, and you could sort one, could have an army sort of one, and could which and people could choose which one but i wouldn't. and people could choose which one have but i wouldn't. and people could choose which one have limitedyut i wouldn't. and people could choose which one have limitedyut i woul(i|'t. you have limited numbers. i would absolutely make it compulsory. i think it's essential, the essential, especially with the mass we have at mass immigration that we have at the moment. this the multiculturalism, which has meant have of meant that we have pockets of ghettos, literally. and when i say i mean down say ghetto, i don't mean down and i it in and out, but i mean it as in true as its true form, true as in in its true form, segments of different populations and i think integrating. and i think this would way of getting would be a great way of getting a sense of nationalism, patriotism, of, patriotism, and a sense of, you know , identity. know, identity. >> i that's a strong >> i think that's a strong i mean, is a strong mean, i mean, that is a strong argument. i mean, people did argument. i mean, people who did it, served in the it, people who served in the army were conscripted, army when they were conscripted, either wartime or a national either in wartime or a national service, say that they met people the different service, say that they met peopleof the different service, say that they met peopleof life, the different service, say that they met peopleof life, who ie different service, say that they met peopleof life, who they ferent walks of life, who they otherwise have met. and walks of life, who they othe was; have met. and walks of life, who they othe was; society ave met. and walks of life, who they othe was; society ave ilearnlnd that was in a society you learn tolerance much more tolerance that was much more homogeneous . now we've got a homogeneous. now we've got a much more diverse society. there's . a lot more different there's. a lot more different people who you might not normally come across. >> we've got to blame the government. >> look at the mass migration. that's you know, that's why people you know, you don't neighbours, that's why people you know, you don't even neighbours, that's why people you know, you don't even know1bours, that's why people you know, you don't even know 1bours next they don't even know who's next

door that's a door to you. yeah, but that's a fact. that sorry, kids, that fact. is that sorry, kids, that this government down this government has let down the younger they younger generation because they what, know, younger generation because they whatwill. know, younger generation because they whatwill. you know, know, younger generation because they whatwill. you know, blair they will. you know, tony blair was there saying education, education, education. all they got with a huge, got was lumbered with a huge, you debt at the end. and you know, debt at the end. and you know, debt at the end. and you always need a what you know, we always need a what about the about practices. why why is the focus and more opportunity. but i don't think why is everyone gone soft though . gone soft though. >> does this sounds like to me everyone government everyone know . listen, the government know. listen, the government should get on with doing what we want. uh, want them do. want. uh, we want them to do. but everyone soft but why is everyone gone soft with young people, you with this? young people, you know, why got know, this is why you've got county like know, this is why you've got count people like know, this is why you've got count people joining that. people who feel joining gangs sense of family. gangs feel a sense of family. there are so many things that national service will be useful for. for starters , targeting, for. for starters, targeting, focusing the minds of those who want zombie knives. want to carry the zombie knives. perhaps they can learn what they could, you know, put their energy into something else. you've got the sense of community. sense community. you've got a sense of duty. a sense duty. you've got a sense of purpose, got a sense purpose, and you've got a sense of after that, purpose, and you've got a sense of don't after that, purpose, and you've got a sense of don't have after that, purpose, and you've got a sense of don't have to |fter that, purpose, and you've got a sense of don't have to be. that, they don't have to be. >> what would is, is, is >> what i would say is, is, is that if we're that sometimes if we're talking about at 17 or 18, about people going at 17 or 18,

that's almost too late, because what we need 16, i think you have 16 to 18. that's . what i'm have 16 to 18. that's. what i'm saying. we've had youth services decimated and we need youth workers across the country. and people go , oh, people always go, people go, oh, people always go, oh, like that. when you say youth youth service, they think it's like, you know, a trendy vicar doing ping the vicar doing ping pong at the youth what youth club. that's not what we're we're talking youth club. that's not what we're people we're talking youth club. that's not what we're people wcommunities about people from communities who understand backgrounds, working with young people. why and couldn't working with young people. why arbe couldn't working with young people. why arbe service, couldn't working with young people. why arbe service, do ouldn't it be national service, do compulsory it be national service, do comjgo;ory away their tiktok, they go take away their tiktok, take away their wi—fi let they go take away their tiktok, take ireally�*neir wi—fi let they go take away their tiktok, take (really experience let they go take away their tiktok, take (really experience leit's like? >> them e them a focus, like? >> them a focus, give >> give them a focus, give them a know, apprentice the a you know, apprentice at the end. yeah but no, but is end. yeah but no, but this is what i mean. they need to get focussed life. i'm focussed in life. but i'm just saying, isn't saying, you know, the army isn't there know, be there to, to say you know, be like social workers, help social worker. >> it's not we, we threats >> it's not we, we have threats of around us. we do not of war all around us. we do not have big army 70,000 have a very big army 70,000 coming. coming coming. so recruitment coming down 50,000. yeah. down to 50,000. yeah. >> maybe that >> maybe maybe maybe maybe that is end of the day, >> but at the end of the day, where we going to these where are we going to get these people build people from? we need to build and generation of

and foster a generation of people want to people who actually want to fight country and fight for this country and see this a country worth this country as a country worth fighting only way fighting for. and the only way we're if we're going to do that is if people have some unique of people have some unique sort of a of a sense of some sort of cohesion. and i think the army or some form national service or some form of national service is best to do it. you is the best way to do it. you see how the camera, free amongst all and all of all the servicemen and all of that, that's essential. >> i know people that have been in the army and don't in the army and they don't get looked paid looked after. they're not paid enough. well, we need enough. yeah, well, we need to sort out and we. sort that out and we. government's government. >> yeah, we need sort >> yeah, yeah, we need to sort that but i'm talking about that out. but i'm talking about national service specifically. i'm way i'm not happy with the way the veterans are treated. but this show is nothing without you and your views. i do think the government sort that government needs to sort that out more out to make the army more appetite, saying, let's welcome some british some of our great british voices onto the show. their opportunity to on tell what they to be on and tell us what they think topics think about the topics we're discussing. of discussing. i've got four of you, going speedy you, so we're going to go speedy gonzalez. we'll with gonzalez. we'll start with miranda richardson . from miranda richardson. from northamptonshire, not the miranda richardson , the gb news miranda richardson, the gb news miranda richardson, the gb news miranda richardson, the gb news miranda richardson . miranda, miranda richardson. miranda, should we bring it back? >> nana i'm with you. i'm with you. we need to bring it back .

you. we need to bring it back. you know what think lizzy said you know what i think lizzy said earlier? you we can't tell earlier? you know, we can't tell them to them what to do. we need to start telling them what to do. young people are not understanding think they can go anymore. they think they can go and life and just free fall through life because somebody else will be picking bill. and when picking up the bill. and when lizzy you know, we've lizzy says, you know, we've been left this huge debt and left with this huge debt and they they even they don't, they don't even understand what that huge debt is. understand. is. they don't understand. they've comprehension they've got no comprehension whatsoever. need to have whatsoever. so they need to have something can learn . something where they can learn. you know, half of them are still i'm to stay home at i'm going to stay at home at mum's i'm 30 i mum's till i'm 30 because i can't afford house. haven't can't afford a house. i haven't learned time. can't afford a house. i haven't l> no, no. great. well, i think when we have . social cohesion when we have. social cohesion and we have a government that people trust and believe in, then yes . people trust and believe in, then yes. national people trust and believe in, then yes . national service people trust and believe in, then yes. national service is a good idea. >> but at the moment we have no

social cohesion and no one trusts the government or the potential government that's going come in follow it. potential government that's goiiso come in follow it. potential government that's goiiso no,ome in follow it. potential government that's goiiso no, because follow it. potential government that's goiiso no, because itollow it. potential government that's goiiso no, because it wouldt. potential government that's goiiso no, because it would be no >> so no, because it would be no worse than prison sentence. worse than a prison sentence. >> need to change the >> we need to change the government . so people like the government. so people like the government, they start liking the country. >> no no no. sorry. >> no, no, no no no. sorry. you've gone long, alan. you've gone on too long, alan. no, i'm listen, let's go to john in kidderminster. no, i'm listen, let's go to john in kidderminster . john nana, i'm in kidderminster. john nana, i'm with you 101. >> and i think you're you're two guessing there are pussyfooting with the problem. >> what need is trust and >> what we need is trust and respect you probably know. respect as you probably know. nanai respect as you probably know. nana i go into prison an awful lot. i see people in there that have in the services, the have been in the services, the services have them services have let them down. >> could do with upgrading >> so we could do with upgrading and improving army, navy and air force . force. >> however, the idea the concept of what you're saying, right on the money. >> i'm with you. >> i'm with you. >> nana lovely alan mcneely in grimsby. alan >> hello, nana. hello. >> hello, nana. hello. >> i have to disagree with you, but based the fact that they

but based on the fact that they would be absolutely useless to the military, it takes 3 to 5 years to train someone up to be a proficient soldier. they have to want to do their duty , and to want to do their duty, and that wouldn't happen under national service. i agree with you that it's a great concept in terms of getting people on the right track , patriotism, giving right track, patriotism, giving them a sense of duty. but the army couldn't cope with it. it's not the answer to the problem for the recruitment shortage. don't forget we have a volunteer army and that's critical. >> it's you fight for your >> and it's you fight for your mates , not people who are mates, not people who are drifting in and out every six months. >> okay. all right. well, listen, thanks for that, alan. you've we've we've ended on a low . thank you've we've we've ended on a low. thank you for miranda low. thank you for that. miranda richardson . thank you so much, richardson. thank you so much, alan john lydon. alan alan cook john lydon. alan mcneilly. great voice mcneilly. my great british voice is, ever, great as ever. is, as ever, great as ever. thank so but very thank you so much. but very briefly , a story that my briefly, a story that caught my eye. broken eye. a global rail has broken out the penalty. it out over the death penalty. it comes state of alabama comes as the state of alabama used gas inmate used nitrogen to gas an inmate convicted it a convicted of murder. it took a while die. it time

while for him to die. is it time the world developed and ended this inhumane practice? i wouldn't have said that. is it time the world ended this practice? so let me see what do you very briefly. yes or you think? very briefly. yes or no? cundy. no? lizzie cundy. >> look, i've always been >> um, look, i've always been against but you know what? >> um, look, i've always been againsthe but you know what? >> um, look, i've always been againsthe terribler know what? >> um, look, i've always been againsthe terrible ,know what? >> um, look, i've always been againsthe terrible , tragic nhat? when the terrible, tragic murders of hollywood jessica chapman. yes or no at that, that were killed . by huntley after were killed. by huntley after that, i thought , were killed. by huntley after that, i thought, you were killed. by huntley after that, i thought , you know what? that, i thought, you know what? yeah, they were my kids. age. bnng yeah, they were my kids. age. bring it back. bring it back. >> no. the penalty. >> no. to the death penalty. what happened was what happened in alabama was horrendous. and as we saw, although obviously it wasn't a death style we death penalty style offence we saw horizon how saw from the horizon thing how justice not justice can go wrong. it's not working . we can't have things go working. we can't have things go wrong. >> so what you mean you >> so what do you mean you cant? >> so what do you mean you can't? because couldn't can't? because he couldn't didn't enough didn't get killed quick enough because it was a it was a horrible way to do it. >> just don't in >> and i just don't believe in taking and taking life like that. believe the that. i don't believe it's the state's what and state's right. what about. and what crime? what what about impact on crime? what about rate? about the highest crime rate? what squad? about the highest crime rate? wh that's squad? about the highest crime rate? wh that's quick. squad? about the highest crime rate? wh that's quick. no uad? about the highest crime rate? wh that's quick. no what about >> that's quick. no what about hanging? the hanging? no. none of the different chair. >> no , no >> no, no member of your family. >> no, no member of your family. >> matthew. member. >> matthew. member. >> very myself. >> matthew. member. >> himself. very myself. >> himself. >> himself.

>> but but no, i'm absolutely against the death penalty . against the death penalty. >> well, i'm i'm all for it. >> well, i'm not i'm all for it. especially the especially if you know, the person's done person's absolutely 100% done it. . can you ever. what it. but can. can you ever. what can i press the. >> absolutely sure. >> absolutely sure. >> would you do it? well okay. so the guy nottingham was it northampton nottingham nottingham. northampton nottingham nottingi he's cctv. northampton nottingham nottingihe's cctv. there camera. he's on cctv. so there you right. time you have it. right. it's time for great british for the for the great british for the quickfire the show quickfire quiz part of the show where my panel on of quickfire quiz part of the show wheother my panel on of quickfire quiz part of the show wheother storiespanel on of quickfire quiz part of the show wheother stories hitting n of quickfire quiz part of the show wheother stories hitting the of the other stories hitting the headlines. now joined headlines. right now i'm joined by broadcaster cundy. by broadcaster lizzie cundy. your buzzer please. lizzie and former labour party adviser matthew lalor. your buzzer please along at please, uh, please play along at home. question one hollywood star reese witherspoon was warned against doing what by her followers . was it a eating snow? followers. was it a eating snow? b juggling or c going ice fishing? matthew . lhasa a eating fishing? matthew. lhasa a eating snow lizzie cundy i'm going to go different c sea ice fishing. >> why not? >> why not? >> well, actually it was eating snow. >> it was eating snow. >> it was eating snow. >> it was eating snow. >> it was. no, i'm not going the same no, i agree same as matthew. no, i agree with choice. same as matthew. no, i agree witiafter choice. same as matthew. no, i agree witiafter my choice. same as matthew. no, i agree witiafter my great choice. same as matthew. no, i agree witiafter my great victoryyice. same as matthew. no, i agree witiafter my great victory last >> after my great victory last week. >> after my great victory last weewell, reese witherspoon >> well, reese witherspoon basically shared a video of a

tocino recipe made with cold brew coffee syrup and snow that she gathered from outside her house. >> yeah. oh right. >> yeah. oh right. >> stupid woman. what are you thinking ? reese, if you're thinking? reese, if you're watching, why . question two. watching, why. question two. closest answer wins. a new york jury closest answer wins. a new york jury has ordered donald trump to pay jury has ordered donald trump to pay writer he defamed . how pay a writer he defamed. how much in dollars will he have to cough matthew laza cough up? matthew laza $85 million. >> 83.2, 83.2. >> 83.2, 83.2. >> let's see the answer is 83.3. lizzie cundy . close on suites . lizzie cundy. close on suites. yes one all. thank you very much . yes, the former president must pay e . yes, the former president must pay e jean carroll sum after pay e jean carroll the sum after he was to have defamed her he was found to have defamed her by an allegation by denying an allegation of sexual assault. question three true or false? the doomsday clock was reset this week to the same time as last year. lizzie cundy true, true. matthew matthew. false. false. let's see. very wise . let's do the see. very wise. let's do the other one. it's true though , other one. it's true though, because the doomsday clock like you matthew doomed. oh has

remained at 90s to midnight. >> paul alan grimsby knows how i feel now. >> that is the closest it's ever been to a global catastrophe. key question four which country has the therapy has been dubbed the therapy capital of the world? is it a belarus c b canada sorry or c argentina? uh, matthew b canada b canada okay. >> go different. i'm going to go a just to be different. but it is it is it's c neither of you you're both completely wrong i love it when that happens. >> it's argentina. yes the country has the world's largest number psychologists per number of psychologists per 100,000 people at 222. finally question two a us embassy in london was forced to make a statement. this week after an american shared american scientist shared the recipe of the perfect of recipe of the perfect cup of tea. what did the scientists recommend ? recommend? >> matthew putting salt and >> matthew laza putting salt and lemon . lemon. >> you are absolutely he >> you are absolutely right, he said. no, that doesn't go said. salt no, that doesn't go in there at all. he's wrong . in there at all. he's wrong. disgusting. he's wrong . well, i disgusting. he's wrong. well, i tell you, wouldn't approve. >> with that, jonathan in cornwall with his tea. >> absolutely we've got him >> absolutely not. we've got him

on been on on today's show. i've been asking change changing the asking will change changing the prime minister to save the tories. to a twitter tories. according to a twitter poll, you say yes and 76% poll, 23% of you say yes and 76% of you say no. yeah, we agree. thank so much to my panel. thank you so much to my panel. thank you. broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. and also special matthew laza. special adviser matthew laza. and thank you to you for your company. i'll see you tomorrow between 3 and 6. same same place. >> looks things are heating >> looks like things are heating up. boilers is sponsors of up. boxt boilers is sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. i'm craig snow. we're looking ahead to for sunday most of us it's going to be a very mild. there will be some wet and windy weather. the weather. however across the north. for the north. so the reason for the mild conditions is we're dragging in some very air dragging in some very mild air from and portugal from parts of spain and portugal and that will really move right across the country as we go through the course of . sunday through the course of. sunday back to the rest of saturday and for many parts of england and wales is going to be a fairly dry night with the clearest of

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commentator, among other things , commentator, among other things, glenn beck to talk about the upcoming american elections , upcoming american elections, where it's looking like trump versus biden 2.0. also on gb news this evening, we'll discuss the surge in illegal crossings on the mexican border with former adviser to donald j on the mexican border with former adviser to donaldj . former adviser to donald j. trump, mr sebastian gorka. and i'll be asking why farmers in poland are the latest to take to the streets in protest . all of the streets in protest. all of that and lots of chat with my panellist for this evening. academic and emeritus professor of sociology frank furedi. but first, let's get the latest news headunes. headlines. >> i'm sophia wenzler in the gb news room. a major incident has been declared as emergency services warn a building engulfed in flames in liverpool could collapse. fire fighters and police are evacuating surrounding buildings. currently there are reports of