and queen gammon butterworth and queen gammon herself, belinda de lucy. tonight on the show, sir keir starmer says he's changed the labour party. has he.7 hell starmer says he's changed the labour party. has he? hell your country needs. >> know the draft isn't >> you know the draft isn't daft. uk needs to follow daft. the uk needs to follow japan and go tough. >> love on fat not assist in chief. >> donald trump is a threat to britain and it's time to bring back capital punishment . back capital punishment. >> bring back the death penalty. it's 7 pm. and this is the saturday five. >> welcome . to the saturday >> welcome. to the saturday five. i must say, i'm absolutely tickled pink to see gb news inspiring the bbc of all places. their latest reality telly sensation in the trade seems sensation in the trade is seems uncannily own uncannily similar to our own gem, the saturday five treachery. check backstabbing? check. and check. check. in—fight and check. betrayal well, check. it's

almost as if they've taken our blueprint and splashed it across their prime time. so i can promise you you're in for a good old dose of drama and intrigue to fix your post—trade as cravens is leading, the intrigue hits the quizzical albie amankona queen gammon, belinda de lucy and our very own traitor to britain. i can't believe it's not butter, ben butterworth, but unfortunately it is folks, and we have a worthy adversary in the shape of gb news superstar nana akua . for now folks, you nana akua. for now folks, you all know the drill . at home we all know the drill. at home we get about a minute to outline our case. then the topic is thrown wide open to the group andifs thrown wide open to the group and it's fair to say we don't agree to disagree. and of course i want to know your views. get in please. by emailing in touch please. by emailing gbviews@gbnews.uk . com but gbviews@gbnews.uk. com but before into it, it's your before we get into it, it's your saturday night news with sophia wenzler . wenzler. >> thanks, darren. good evening. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb

news room . the business and news room. the business and trade secretary says there is a need for a new leadership at the post office as the outgoing chairman steps down the government announced henry staunton and kemi badenoch agreed to part ways with mutual consent . it's after the post consent. it's after the post office has come under fire over its handling of the horizon it scandal. government officials say an interim will be appointed shortly and a recruitment process for a new chair will be launched in due course. in accordance with the government's code for public appointments . a code for public appointments. a major incident has been declared as emergency services warn a building engulfed in flames in liverpool could collapse. five fighters and police are evacuating surrounding buildings. currently there are no reports of casualties . smoke no reports of casualties. smoke could be seen across the merseyside skyline. earlier, merseyside skyline. earlier, merseyside fire and rescue services say the blaze is based on fox street in liverpool city centre, and they're urging the pubuc centre, and they're urging the public to avoid the area . queen public to avoid the area. queen camilla has visited the king in hospital as he recovers from a procedure for an enlarged

prostate. the king is resting at the london clinic for a second day after receiving treatment. there buckingham palace says he's doing well . it's the same he's doing well. it's the same hospital where the princess of wales is being cared for following abdominal surgery . following abdominal surgery. charles's former butler, grant harrold, told gb news the british public's response to the royal health scares show how much they care . much they care. >> he always said he was a centric. he was old fashioned, out of touch. i never saw that when i worked for him and i think that's what public are think that's what the public are getting and that's where getting to see. and that's where there's affection. so the there's this affection. so the fact having this fact that he is having this procedure to obviously the pubuc procedure to obviously the public to kind of let them public want to kind of let them know thinking of know that they're thinking of them. same with princess them. and the same with princess of wales. understand there's of wales. i understand there's been many letters been many, many, many letters and to her wishing and cards sent to her wishing her of health. her the best of health. >> now, grant shapps says, it's our duty to protect the navigation of the red sea after a british backed tanker was a british backed oil tanker was hit by houthi missiles, the vessel in the gulf of aden went up in flames on friday after it was targeted by the rebels ablaze in marlin. luanda's cargo

tank was extinguished with the help indian , us and french help of indian, us and french navy vessels , and all crew are navy vessels, and all crew are reported to be safe and the united kingdom is pausing funding for the united nations gaza aid group following allegations that staff participated in the october 7th attacks. the foreign office says the uk is appalled by allegations that unrwa staff were involved in the heinous act of terrorism , and that the uk of terrorism, and that the uk government has repeatedly condemned. the uk is suspending any future funding, as are finland , the us, italy, finland, the us, italy, australia and canada. following a review , representatives from a review, representatives from the gaza relief agency have pleaded with allies to reverse the decision. a spokesperson for the decision. a spokesperson for the foreign office says we remain committed to getting humanitarian aid to the people in gaza who desperately need it . in gaza who desperately need it. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car , on your digital tv, in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to the saturday five.

thanks sophia. >> it's saturday night folks, and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes and i can promise you're for in a very spirited hour of debate. let's crack on with tonight's first up. first, it's albee. albee away you go. >> if britain was under attack from an enemy state like russia. is the draft a daft idea? well, general sir patrick saunders doesn't think so. and are soon to be gb news colleague boris johnson doesn't think so either. >> let's see what sir lance corporal johnson , reporting for corporal johnson, reporting for duty and responding to the appeal from general sanders for appeal from general sanders for a citizen army and encouraging young people across the country to think of the attraction's advantages of some kind of military training or service, because at the moment they think it's either uncool or unethical, or perhaps they're not following general sanders. they're following colonel sanders to

find out what we need to do about it, read my column in the daily mail and i read it. >> that's the spirit, boris. but it seems that boris and i are in the minority because only i7% of brits would happily fight in a war if britain ever went to war. 14% say that they would fight only if they were false. false to, and the majority 30% of us would would try any means possible. not to fight at all. whatever happened to our great british blitz . spirit? look, british blitz. spirit? look, this just isn't sustainable in the modern world. as we enter a more dangerous phase in history, we've got to be prepared for what the future might bring. look, no one wants a war to happen , and god forbid, happen, and god forbid, conscription should ever happen, because i'd be absolutely useless. but that doesn't mean we shouldn't prepare all the same look as we enter this new phase of international relations, we've got to be prepared. our allies like norway

, sweden, france and israel all have national services . i think have national services. i think we should bring that back. i also think that we should forget about tax cuts in the upcoming spnng about tax cuts in the upcoming spring statement, because actually, that fiscal headroom should be used for additional defence spending. we have taken a lax approach to defence in the west. we've become far too complacent with peacetime. instead of contemplating the realities of what hot war might mean, instead , we're focussed on mean, instead, we're focussed on fighting the anti—woke or the woke culture war. we're just completely detached from the realities of the international situation that we're currently in. i would support conscription as a last resort for this country. if we absolutely needed it . but first of all, we do need it. but first of all, we do need to sort out our defence problem . to sort out our defence problem. the reality is we become complacent with peacetime and we need to start planning for the future. and that means increasing our military budget . increasing our military budget. that means starting a new national citizenship service, and that also means being up for

conscription if it ever is called upon. the great british people paul benjamin butterworth , would you be up for conscription ? conscription? >> well, obviously, if there was a war, then that would be a totally different scenario. and of course, i would fight for my country without hesitation. but there isn't a war, you know, threatening britain at the moment. and so i think this idea that we should somehow have national service from people who like to talk about we didn't win the for war this, who didn't actually fight in a war at all, because they're not 95 years old. i think that's preposterous. you know, the idea that take millions of that we would take millions of people the economy , out people out of the economy, out of education to go and practice in the army, the idea that we would find the billions would suddenly find the billions of pounds a program like of pounds that a program like that cost, i think it's that would cost, i think it's for the birds and i think a lot of it is just trying to reminisce about old days for reminisce about the old days for the of it, when it's the sake of it, when it's actually no use to britain. i'm much prouder. know you have lots of people to university, of people going to university, and we should mean no

and i think we should mean no money of people money on getting 50% of people in places , not teach in university places, not teach them to fight. them how to fight. >> for the >> belinda, this isn't for the birds. reintroducing birds. france are reintroducing national service. sweden have a national service. sweden have a national service. sweden have a national service. finland have a national service. finland have a national service. finland have a national service . israel have a national service. israel have a national service. israel have a national service. israel have a national service. and thank god they do because at the moment they're being put to work . this they're being put to work. this isn't for the birds we should be following what other countries do, with you totally. >> and benjamin, you're saying, oh, it's about the old days. well, wrong learning well, what's wrong with learning from history? i mean, history teaches us people killing each other. bigger army actually other. a bigger army actually acts the first acts as a deterrent in the first place. and listen, i may be a ripe old age, but i would sign up to at the drop of the hat to join an army and defend this country if it was under attack, because sceptred isles are because these sceptred isles are so much more precious than the flimflam wet wipe governments that we have in and out of season. it's so much bigger than that. we owe it to our ancestors to defend the country. and i don't blame people for feeling despondent and sad at the continuous, relentless attack on

britishness. our values and our culture. having in culture. and having in government a party that won't even defend our borders, won't even defend our borders, won't even defend, you know, our british curriculum being taught at school. and so it has demoralised people in this country. but i say, fear not, stick to the path of defending and feeling love and patriotic about your country . about your country. >> have we become complacent, darren? because since year darren? because since the year 2000 seen navy 2000 we have seen the navy shrink. we've seen the army shnnk shrink. we've seen the army shrink , and we've seen the raf shrink, and we've seen the raf shrink. i mean, the entire british army, the active british army could fit in wembley stadium with spades. >> it's absolutely terrible. i mean, benjamin says we need to get more people going to university in national university and not in national service. exactly the service. that's exactly the problem. people problem. we've turned people into benjamin butterworth's instead are instead of people that are actually, know, educated and actually, you know, educated and contributing economy. actually, you know, educated and conoh,jting economy. actually, you know, educated and conoh, educate economy. actually, you know, educated and conoh, educate in economy. actually, you know, educated and conoh, educate in what omy. actually, you know, educated and conoh, educate in what god >> oh, educate in what god forbid, marxism the rest i >> -- >> oh that's brilliant. it's doing a real service to britain where for war. i where really ready for war. i mean, telegraph report mean, the telegraph report tonight the there is utter tonight that the there is utter disbelief in the royal navy because they're redeployed .

because they're redeployed. officers. viewers won't believe this. redeploying officers to diversity and inclusion teams. now that to me suggests that and ihave now that to me suggests that and i have to disagree with you, albion, what you said about culture wars being fought instead of fighting actual wars, right. because the culture wars are preventing us from being ready to fight actual wars. so that's what i think is, is a real of real detriment to the nation's national security . nation's national security. >> nana we've seen the military be cut in numbers since oh , the, be cut in numbers since oh, the, 2000. i think that predates any culture that we've been having over the past few years. do you think it's fair what darren has just said? >> well, i mean, if you think of what putin said, that's why he's laughing us, because we're laughing at us, because we're more worried about called more worried about being called a a she or really. more worried about being called a a she or really . that's a he or a she or really. that's really what that's really what you think he did. he signed me up. nambo here i come, i can see, i can see it now. i've got like, the bullet sort of belt across. i've got the things, i've got my stilettos with. my stiletto goes down, boom.

there's an explosion. i would be well that. you you well up for that. you know, you know. i do think national know. but i do think national service needs to come back. i have literally don't know what have literally i don't know what benjamin's about. um, benjamin's talking about. um, because think it's absurd if because i think it's absurd if we just going we think that we're just going to sort pick up our arms to all sort of pick up our arms and suddenly you'll start fighting, won't, as said, fighting, we won't, as you said, benjamin, what benjamin, you don't know what you're would benjamin, you don't know what you'be? would benjamin, you don't know what you'be? now? would benjamin, you don't know what you'be? now? that's would benjamin, you don't know what you'be? now? that's the would benjamin, you don't know what you'be? now? that's the point. you be? now? that's the point. we need some sort of we need some some sort of training to get the young people who are carrying the zombie knives all nonsense knives and all that nonsense off the out the gangs, the streets, out of the gangs, off county lines, and off the county lines, and actually focusing on sort actually focusing on some sort of cohesion because we have a mass immigration problem with people on. people coming in. hang on. sorry, not finished. sorry, i'm not finished. so multiculturalism has failed because pockets. because we've got pockets. what's with what's this got to do with multiculturalism? got multiculturalism? this has got the that's the national unity. that's it. i was there until was was getting there until i was interrupted. but look, multiculturalism is like lots of little pockets of little ghettos of pockets of people who do not unite and form. bring a lot of form. this will bring a lot of young people together. you come to want to be, to this country, you want to be, you to british. you've you want to be british. you've got something it. got to do something for it. and you national service. you do your national service. you citizenship. you earn your citizenship. >> benjamin, you think >> benjamin, don't you think thatis >> benjamin, don't you think that is a reasonable thing? national service bring the

national service to bring the nafion national service to bring the nation well as nation together as well as prepare for war. prepare for us war. >> say this, but this is >> but you say this, but this is having had a period of tory government things like government where things like community centres and youth clubs down en clubs have been shut down en masse. the kind masse. those are the kind of things brought lot of things that brought a lot of those young peoples together. we've failing we've seen education failing some the poorest communities some of the poorest communities in those the in this country. those are the kind that are meant to kind of places that are meant to set boundaries. is set boundaries. and the fact is that, you know, it is a farcical idea that take millions of idea that we take millions of people of the economy go people out of the economy to go and do service. and do national service. >> sweet, and do it, ben, >> sweet, sweet and do it, ben, and do all. we do it. israel and do it all. we do it. israel do it. >> israel is under direct attack. it has been. yeah, but they but they didn't 60. >> they didn't suddenly rack up a army, as you're a civilian army, as you're suggesting. they had people ready. which why you watch ready. which is why if you watch their effort and how hard their war effort and how hard they're fighting, they are coordinated war. >> and i were an israeli >> and if i were an israeli citizen, i would with it, citizen, i would agree with it, because they have totally because they have a totally different to we different scenario to the one we have. well, why can't we? it's preposterous say all preposterous to say that we all have go and train in the have to go and train in the army. i mean, half of us here would be utterly useless, frankly. where there is good frankly. where there is a good

idea maybe people have idea is that maybe people have gone gone gone down the benjamin have gone down. idea is down. what is a good idea is that need to move that we actually need to move on now, unfortunately, yeah. >> because it time our >> because it is time for our very own darren grimes to give us what's been his us what he's what's been on his mind week. darren, it away. >> e’- e].- e’i— >> well, i'll be on my mind this week. i'm asking the question, has sir starmer really has sir keir starmer really changed has sir keir starmer really change(changed my party. is it >> i've changed my party. is it now not the time for the prime minister admit he minister to admit that he has the thousands of the blood of thousands of innocent people? the blood of thousands of inn�*i:ent people? the blood of thousands of mm stumbled e? a tweet >> i stumbled across a tweet that's appeal about that's a bit appeal about labour's misplaced priorities. i thought we about play thought we were about to play a full video there, it reads. my mum in her 80s, scrimping by on pensions, too petrified to heat a flat. meanwhile, her mps at pmqs blabbering about gaza hashtag never labour. now to me this is utter madness. in that video that would have been played there, he actually goes on to talk about how the prime minister has blood on his hands , minister has blood on his hands, and he goes on and on about gaza. now, this is at a time when he has constituents who seniors are being left to freeze. while mps like him

prattle on about distant lands . prattle on about distant lands. if you ask me, kemi badenoch absolutely nailed it with this tweet, she says. some labour mps fancy themselves as global ambassadors, not uk represents lives. basically, tahir ali's prime minister's questions that was the mp there, the labour mp that. was the mp there, the labour mp that . tirade was was the mp there, the labour mp that. tirade was a was the mp there, the labour mp that . tirade was a slap to those that. tirade was a slap to those cherishing british values, thinking labour shed its corbyn skin . think again. she's bang on skin. think again. she's bang on the money, if you ask me. labour's still got this bizarre fixation with prioritising terrorists over telford and the middle east middlesbrough. middle east over middlesbrough. ali pmqs circus was a national embarrassment. if you ask me. it's like he's more keen on impressing countries that don't give a toss about britain or our values, as labour constituencies contain far too many of those totally sympathetic to fundamentalists who are anti—jew, anti—gay and anti—women and here's a stark reality check from the times . reality check from the times. the batley grammar school

teacher , a labour constituency teacher, a labour constituency batley, is. he was hounded for showing a cartoon of the prophet muhammad three years ago in the classroom and guess what? he still is in hiding. this raises , still is in hiding. this raises, if you ask me, serious question can you recall any labour mp standing up for that man ? i standing up for that man? i can't. can labour be trusted to prioritise the rights of individuals like him over extremists and their intimidation tactics? if you ask me their record, it paints a bleak picture. labour seem more invested in global grand standing than in pressing the needs of the people of britain. i'm incredibly worried about it, beunda i'm incredibly worried about it, belinda deluise. >> that was so good. >> that was so good. >> well, my god, apart from missing my video at the start there, but i am worried about it. belinda i genuinely think that in constituencies like batley that that teacher has been utterly betrayed and we are sleepwalking into utter

disaster. i think it has shocked a lot of people. >> the israeli gaza conflict has exposed how, um, mps, a labour mps, have such strong allegiances to foreign lands and foreign countries and come across as prioritising other countries above the their own interests of their own well of the uk. they don't feel the allegiance here that they should. and can you argue that tory mps have done that with israel ? no, because i israel? well, no, because i think, um , it clearly could you think, um, it clearly could you definitely couldn't. >> david cameron is now saying we need a state solution. we need a two state solution. india ed davey that's never been thought of before. how will the tories nest of. >> but i also think that tories aren't in bed with islamists. they don't. they're not necessarily. certainly necessarily. well, i certainly haven't seen them being islamist apologists in the way i've seen apologists in the way i've seen a of left wingers on the a lot of left wingers on the marches. definitely. there's this there's in bed with this there's sort of in bed with them. hard left, the them. the hard left, the islamists. i think that's islamists. and i think that's very and very scary. if labour win and they win a small they only win by a small majority, they're going

majority, i think they're going to be on the leash by about 20 to be on the leash by about 20 to 40 mps who could start having exerting a huge amount of power and control over the party. and i'm scared just because, mean, i'm scared just because, i mean, i'm scared just because, i mean, i the labour party . i talk about the labour party. the tories can't even call out the horrific treatment of this teacher, which is disgusting because they're they're because they're scared. they're scared of radical islamists. it's terrifying that we don't have a party in power that stands up to them. >> so, nana do you think actually there is a real problem that not that we're just simply not willing issue is there? >> i think the labour party are hiding because the line hiding because the bottom line is party are in such is the tory party are in such a mess, doesn't what mess, it doesn't matter what they say. um, so they do or say. um, so unfortunately is a mess unfortunately there is a mess that can but is being that we can see, but it is being hidden by the behaviour of a tory who talking about tory party who are talking about electing another leader now, or tory party who are talking about ele

have used the absolute incompetence current incompetence of our current government behind all government to hide behind all this. it's working. government to hide behind all thisyeah. it's working. government to hide behind all thisyeah. i:'s working. government to hide behind all thisyeah. i justorking. government to hide behind all thisyeah. i just want]. government to hide behind all thisyeah. i just want to play >> yeah. i just want to play that that we had the that clip that we had at the start just quickly. start there, just very quickly. if we get that up , i've start there, just very quickly. if we get that up, i've changed my party. >> is it. no not the time for the prime minister to admit that he has the blood of thousands of innocent people on his hands , innocent people on his hands, and for him to commit to demanding an immediate . demanding an immediate. ceasefire and an ending of uk's arms trade with israel ? mr arms trade with israel? mr speaken arms trade with israel? mr speaker, that's the face of the changed labour party . changed labour party. >> i mean, benjamin , you must >> i mean, benjamin, you must surely agree with the prime minister that this is a real telltale sign that the labour party hasn't changed. >> no, because first of all, i've never i know the labour party pretty well, and i have never my life of never in my life heard of that mp suspect not a single mp and i suspect not a single viewer they live his viewer unless they live in his constituency, has heard of him. so party you so every party has, uh, you know, outside of that. know, people outside of that. but let me just to you, you

but let me just say to you, you know, because you this know, because you said this before, position before, keir starmer's position on israel and the conflict is basically the same as rishi sunaks and david cameron's. that's right. isn't it? >> yes, it is correct. >> and you've said that you agree starmer that agree with keir starmer and that he's position, he's taken the right position, but not. no, no, no no, no question. >> correct that. no, no are about to elect a load of labour mps are absolutely mps who are absolutely enthralled . no, it's not correct enthralled. no, it's not correct kind of extremism . it's that kind of extremism. it's that want to say no i'm going to finish on gaza. >> it's not correct at all. it's not, you know, sod all about the labour party. darren grimes, the fact is that you've selected 220 labour candidates and jess phillips resigned from the. am i going to finish a sentence? >> jess phillips resigned. >> jess phillips resigned. >> i going to finish a sentence? >> you can't answer a question because over because she resigned over the fact her constituent. because she resigned over the factthis her constituent. because she resigned over the factthis isn't constituent. because she resigned over the factthis isn't darrenjent. because she resigned over the factthis isn't darren grimes, >> this isn't darren grimes, real britain. this the real britain. this is the saturday all saturday five. okay we're all going discussion. the going to have a discussion. the fact you can on fact is that you can count on one hand number of labour one hand the number of labour candidates weren't keir candidates that weren't keir starmer's have been starmer's choice, that have been selected labour selected in targets. labour party is incredibly moderate now selected in targets. labour part you incredibly moderate now selected in targets. labour partyou talk dibly moderate now selected in targets. labour

part you talk aboutnoderate now selected in targets. labour partyou talk about laboure now selected in targets. labour part you talk about labour having and you talk about labour having not changed. you not been changed. you acknowledge you agree with acknowledge that you agree with keir starmer israel and then keir starmer on israel and then you also talk about batley and the case of what's the appalling case of what's happened teacher, the happened to the teacher, the labour there is a lesbian and labour mp there is a lesbian and was assaulted a great deal by the people. you're trying to claim you're on labour's side. they didn't vote for her and you talk about these mistakes talk about all these mistakes that happened. didn't vote talk about all these mistakes tha her.)pened. didn't vote talk about all these mistakes tha her. jpenevoted didn't vote talk about all these mistakes tha her. jpenevoted foridn't vote talk about all these mistakes tha her.)penevoted for georgete for her. they voted for george galloway. talk about all galloway. and you talk about all these mistakes that have happened. what the happened. tell me, what have the tory done about this? tory government done about this? >> pretty. is >> they are both pretty. this is but exact tactic but this is the exact tactic when to why this the tactic. >> you talk about the tory party now to cover up what the labour party, labour inadequacy of party, the labour inadequacy of it. on it. the question was just on what is it an what that mp said is it an extremist position to call for a ceasefire in gaza? >> that's actually . hold on, >> that's actually. hold on, hold on a minute, belinda. that's actually quite a popular position among voters in britain. might not be a britain. it might not be a popular position among perhaps people on panel, it's people on this panel, but it's not extreme position to argue not an extreme position to argue that. not an extreme position to argue that . you want a ceasefire in that. you want a ceasefire in gaza for the hostages release. >> yes, it is. and it is.

>> it is an extreme position because what you're asking really for israel to disarm. really is for israel to disarm. yeah, extreme. you've yeah, that's an extreme. you've not you need to not mentioned hamas. you need to be need get be saying that we need to get hamas. to hamas to hamas. you need to get hamas to stop rockets. the only stop firing rockets. the only reason israel does not look reason that israel does not look like because of the iron like gaza is because of the iron dome. every day, before. dome. so every day, even before. >> wrong an to dome. so every day, even before. >> for wrong an to dome. so every day, even before. >> for a wrong an to dome. so every day, even before. >> for a ceasefire an to dome. so every day, even before. >> for a ceasefire in n to call for a ceasefire in parliament, even before this conflict. >> okay. because the ceasefire actually means israel disarmed. exactly. said hamas exactly. it's not said hamas need the rockets. need to stop firing the rockets. >> bnng need to stop firing the rockets. >> bring that >> and let's bring up that tweet again. that again. if we can, because that tweet about the tweet that said about the constituent who lives in his constituency who actually says, look, my grandmother or look, my grandmother lives or mother lives in that constituency and she he actually says he or she i'm not sure who it is, says there that they had this one opportunity that mp prime minister's questions to ask on behalf of her, his constituent s a question on behalf of this woman and he doesn't actually he chooses instead to talk about the middle east. you can't. instead to talk about the middle east. you can't . come on. but east. you can't. come on. but look, i am not going to defend this labour mp . this labour mp. >> but the point is, what is not

to say that maybe this constituency mp, her constituency mp, her constituency constituents, had wanted him to ask about israel and gaza. exactly. >> if it's a majority, what's wrong about that? it has lots of people part the people from that part of the world. it probably had lots world. it probably has had lots of that. but i just of inbox about that. but i just point out saying he point out you're saying he didn't tories why his didn't ask the tories why his mother grandmother's pension mother or grandmother's pension isn't then isn't good enough, and then trying to blame labour for that. that's desperate. >> it's not right . we're >> no, it's not right. we're going leave it there. going to leave it there. speaking of desperate, because benjamin is going to come up shortly, is going shortly, but next nana is going to whether we to be discussing whether we should bring back death should bring back the death penalty. five on news.

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bear pit with a table in the corner. i bet that would get some viewing figures. and yvonne says, why would you fight for a country that has betrayed all things united kingdom and allowed an invasion of fighting aged young men to flee in their own national service? >> that's not very patriotic. well, on labour, joanne has written in and john says, no, he hasn't changed his party. >> that's the keir starmer actually. well he's trying to get the votes of minorities there. and mark says they would all get blown away. should nigel be the leader of the reform party. so there we are, up next, though, it's nana. nana. what have you got for us? >> well, this week people have beenin >> well, this week people have been in uproar because a criminal on death row took too long to die because they used a new technique, nitrogen , iron. new technique, nitrogen, iron. >> oh, my heart bleeds . leads. >> oh, my heart bleeds. leads. not since when was a criminal's feelings trumping those of the victim's . feelings trumping those of the victim's. i'm all for the death penalty. when it's proven beyond any reasonable doubt that, in fact, the parent, the person has done this. take the case of the

paranoid schizophrenic in nottingham, done for manslaughter , which in my manslaughter, which in my opinion is ridiculously lenient. he's the first one i'd have executed . so he's been sentenced executed. so he's been sentenced effectively to stay in a secure hospital for the rest of his life. i'm not surprised the families of the deceased are outraged, so it's going to be doped up to the eyeballs for the rest of his life. what's the point? frankly, i don't want to pay point? frankly, i don't want to pay for him. what for ? in my pay for him. what for? in my opinion, there is no doubt that he did it, so there's no chance that you've got the wrong person. brainer. person. it's a no brainer. i actually think would be actually think it would be kinder this than lock him kinder to do this than lock him up sedation for the rest of up on sedation for the rest of his life, because that's effectively what's to effectively what's going to happen can't even be happen to him. he can't even be trusted his medication, happen to him. he can't even be truthere's his medication, happen to him. he can't even be truthere's no his medication, happen to him. he can't even be truthere's no way; medication, happen to him. he can't even be truthere's no way; mcan ation, happen to him. he can't even be truthere's no way; mcan come so there's no way he can come out if he were an animal, he'd be put down. there a point be put down. there comes a point where mental illness cannot be used as an excuse because, in my view, anyone who kills another in rage at that moment isn't quite with it . we're simply quite with it. we're simply meddling with the degree of madness . so where do you draw

madness. so where do you draw the line? people often say that the line? people often say that the death penalty is not a deterrent, but you only need to look countries where they deterrent, but you only need to look it countries where they deterrent, but you only need to look it deadlyies where they deterrent, but you only need to look it deadly serious'e they deterrent, but you only need to look it deadly serious to :hey deterrent, but you only need to look it deadly serious to see take it deadly serious to see that it works. i would say bring it back and we can judge its effectiveness . effectiveness. >> nana i don't know how you can say after we have just been through and i'm still going through and i'm still going through the post office scandal, which is the big the biggest miscarriage of justice in the history of this country, where we have seen the state get something really wrong. i don't know can say i therefore know how you can say i therefore trust state. you trust the british state. you decide who should live and who should die if they commit a crime, when actually just should die if they commit a crinthisrhen actually just should die if they commit a crinthis huge |ctually just should die if they commit a crinthis huge thingy just should die if they commit a crinthis huge thing wrong just should die if they commit a crinthis huge thing wrong .jst got this huge thing wrong. convicted if not hundreds convicted tens if not hundreds of people. i think it was 800, almost a thousand people of a crime that they didn't actually commit. trust commit. but you trust the judiciary to make a make a make a judgement whether not a judgement on whether or not someone should or die someone should live or die because of a crime. >> it's proved beyond a >> well, if it's proved beyond a reasonable was reasonable doubt. but that was they that was proved they thought that was proved beyond doubt. what's they thought that was proved bey point? doubt. what's they thought that was proved bey point? the doubt. what's they thought that was proved bey point? the guy doubt. what's they thought that was proved bey point? the guy that's. what's they thought that was proved bey point? the guy that's the |at's the point? the guy that's the point. no, there isn't one. the guy was caught guy nottingham, who was caught actually murdering these

actually on cctv murdering these people. he had done it beyond reasonable doubt. that is the point i'm making. i'm not talking about a little thing. the post office scandal, which was awful, but thankfully, unfortunately people did commit suicide. horrendous. suicide. it was horrendous. but but there was not an actual murder whereas this murder of people. whereas this guy in guy, this awful guy in nottingham, killed people in cold blood , even though they say cold blood, even though they say that he was suffering from a paranoid delusion . paranoid schizophrenic delusion. but even then he didn't take his medicine he medicine medication, so he couldn't trusted that. couldn't be trusted to do that. and parts it appeared to and also parts of it appeared to be premeditated , as in he be premeditated, as in he stockpiled, things. stockpiled, um, the things. so in view, somebody like this in my view, somebody like this would somebody who i would would be somebody who i would put forward for a death very long. >> so some thoughts i would just say three reasons why i'm against it one, there's no evidence as deterrent america. >> apparently impacts, >> two, it apparently impacts, uh, they are less uh, juries that they are less keen delivering keen on delivering a guilty verdict because they feel responsible for the death of someone. three, it's too someone. and three, it's too quick, it's nice. dig a pit quick, it's too nice. dig a pit in the ground, throw them in with crusty bread maggoty roll with a crusty bread maggoty roll and a bottle water. close it and a bottle of water. close it up let them rot in hell for

up and let them rot in hell for the rest of their lives. >> i actually agree with belinda. think the belinda. basically, i think the death penalty is a cop out because families because it hurts the families more hurts so you more than it hurts them. so you want be more barbaric? want to be more barbaric? >> what said on >> you do what belinda said on this. it is more barbaric. this. well, it is more barbaric. >> but look, that's torture . >> but look, that's torture. >> but look, that's torture. >> that's torture. >> that's torture. >> the people were complaining that guy did. took 25 that this guy did. took 25 minutes you're saying minutes to die. you're saying you're that you don't you're assuming that you don't plan us? plan on killing any of us? >> would be okay for the >> would you be okay for the state kill when you state to kill you when you haven't anything wrong? haven't done anything wrong? because i said because in the us, i said it beyond doubt. beyond reasonable doubt. >> except in the u.s >> except that in the u.s always, was always, right? yeah, but it was on the us, you've on this case in the us, you've got a case in the last 50 years, 156 people have been sentenced to death were found to death that were later found to death that were later found to innocent. to death that were later found to that's cent. to death that were later found to that's156t. to death that were later found to that's 156 people murdered by >> that's 156 people murdered by the state. and that is indefensible . nana. indefensible. nana. >> okay, right. a range of views . they give yours gbviews@gbnews.com. we're going to take a break and then it's beunda to take a break and then it's belinda de lucy.

at schools earlier on gb news radio .

radio. >> welcome back to the . saturday >> welcome back to the. saturday five. and thank you very much for your emails. nana. emily has written in and emily says capital punishment really we're overreaching here overreaching her position here in country where convictions in a country where convictions are and we have an are unsafe and we have an unreliable police force , nobody unreliable police force, nobody in right mind would in their right mind would suggest capital punishment. no. >> if it's proved beyond >> but if it's proved beyond reasonable doubt, like that guy , reasonable doubt, like that guy, you know, it's on camera and you can doing it and you're can see him doing it and you're catching him in the act. come on. >> really? well, then. damn has said nana totally agree with nana. death nana. bring back the death penalty. the execution in alabama in the alabama should be applied in the uk the murderer. valdo uk to the murderer. valdo calocane no miscarriage of justice here. exactly and then caroline bring back. it caroline says bring it back. it was manslaughter, murder. caroline says bring it back. it was m course. hter, murder. caroline says bring it back. it was m course. manslaughter. er. >> of course. manslaughter. it was manslaughter. >> yes, that is correct. now, folks, we have benjamin folks, next up we have benjamin butterworth. he's going to tell us about former president donald j. take it away. j. trump take it away. >> yes , donald trump is on the >> yes, donald trump is on the path back to the white house.

and frankly, i think we should all be afraid. the groper in chief has seen all but one of his rivals to be the republican nomination for us nomination for the us presidential election fallout. it now looks almost certain that it will be trump v biden. it now looks almost certain that it will be trump v biden . take it will be trump v biden. take two. but i think we should be afraid about this because this time round, donald trump really isn't hiding his intentions. if he ever did, he said that he wants to be a dictator from day one, and that he wants complete immunity from the law to do what he wants in office, he is showing us clearly that he is more of a demagogue than a democrat. and frankly , anybody democrat. and frankly, anybody that believes in western values should be terrified of donald trump coming back. but look, don't just take my word for it. plenty of british politicians . plenty of british politicians. and british intelligence leaders have come forward to say the same thing. a former head of mi6 who knows a bit about keeping the west safe , has said that we the west safe, has said that we should be afraid of donald trump returning of his

returning because of his opposition to nato . the last opposition to nato. the last thing we need at a time when russia has invaded a european country is to have a potus in putin's pocket, and yet that's what we could be just months away from even two former us, uk ambassadors to the us have warned that he threatens the western alliance because of his opposition to nato . exactly what opposition to nato. exactly what russia would want . so it's not russia would want. so it's not just the fact that he's a groper and a racist and a liar and a narcissist and a monster. he's all of those things. it's the fact that he's a threat to western security that makes him a threat to britain . we should a threat to britain. we should be afraid of donald trump back in the white house now now. nana. yes i don't know whether you want a capital punishment for me after that monologue. what do you think of that? >> i mean, look, first of >> well, i mean, look, first of all, if you're saying he's a threat, about biden? threat, what about joe biden? joe biden is a threat to world safety whilst donald trump was in office, there were no wars.

and kept pacified the middle and he kept pacified the middle east. he was able to talk , east. he was able to talk, sorry. able to sorry. he was able to talk to kim jong jung. >> hamas would have >> you think hamas would have gone, no, i quite like gone, oh, no, i quite like donald. i won't, i won't, i won't do the attack. donald. i won't, i won't, i won"realler attack. donald. i won't, i won't, i won"really i'm tack. donald. i won't, i won't, i won"really i'm pretty >> i really i'm pretty sure i don't about hamas, but i'm don't know about hamas, but i'm pretty sure that putin would not have what he's have bothered with what he's done so pretty done to ukraine. so i'm pretty sure that. and a lot of sure about that. and a lot of people would agree with me there. trump has there. so donald trump has actually been more of a peacemaker. and as for the peacemaker. and as for all the accusations, evidence do you racist, what evidence do you have he was in power, black have when he was in power, black people were of the all. people were one of the all. a lot people were work lot more people were in work making and they are making more money, and they are one biggest portions one of the biggest portions of the population that are supporting the population that are supand ng the population that are supand you think that vladimir >> and you think that vladimir putin his putin would have given up his lifelong getting back lifelong dream of getting back some union because donald some soviet union because donald trump second tum? the trump had got a second tum? the fact not have given it fact he might not have given it up, he probably would not up, but he probably would not have with donald trump have done it with donald trump in think that's fantasy total. >> well, i think you've >> well, i think what you've said we get there we go. >> albee, are you nearer my opinion. this man is absolutely conservatives should proud of. >> absolutely >> i'm absolutely near a your opinion. donald is opinion. look, donald trump is not conservative. not not a conservative. he's not a conservative. he's a

businessman. he is a businessman. he is a businessman. populist . businessman. he is a populist. he's someone that's very popular. unfortunately with the american. think the american. right. but i think the biggest that i with biggest concern that i have with donald seeming . donald trump is his seeming. opposition to nato, because that is so dangerous. and all of the brexiteers on this panel who are annoyed about a european army, if donald trump pulls out of nato, be nato, there's going to be a european army and britain is going to join it. so you would just making something you just be making something you don't want to happen . more don't want to happen. more likely to happen if donald trump ends power. ends up in power. >> think you're wrong. you're >> i think you're wrong. you're wrong, wrong. wrong, you're wrong. >> anything, >> yeah. france if anything, are the we shouldn't be the ones saying we shouldn't be striking back the houthi striking back to the houthi rebels , why would you? rebels, why would you? >> don't think donald >> don't think if donald trump pulls there's pulls out of nato, there's going to a european army and to be a european army and britain's going to be. >> well, i was just about to say that we france actually rebelled against us. when it comes to the houthi rebels, why britain? that's not relevant to what i've justbut you said you we >> but you said you said we joined the eu. >> so that's he's saying? >> so that's what he's saying? no, donald trump >> so that's what he's saying? no, insisting donald trump >> so that's what he's saying? no, insisting thationald trump >> so that's what he's saying? no, insisting that the ld trump >> so that's what he's saying? no, insisting that the countries was insisting that the countries pay was insisting that the countries pay their 2. >> i that's right.

>> and i think that's right. >> and i think that's right. >> he not in favour. >> do you know what i think? no one has had a constant attrition of hellfire rained down upon one has had a constant attrition of helquite ained down upon one has had a constant attrition of helquite liked down upon one has had a constant attrition of helquite like presidention one has had a constant attrition of helquite like president donald them quite like president donald j. trump. >> he denied he'd lost the last election after he lost. >> well, he said he did. >> well, he said he did. >> a lot >> you know, right about a lot of has. of things he has. >> he lost the election really right a lord of things. right about a lord of things. >> he has said, i think actually that is major witch hunt. that this is a major witch hunt. i think that a lot of people in america look and america will look at him and say he someone that is willing to he is someone that is willing to fight me because i tell you fight for me because i tell you what, imagine many politicians what, i imagine many politicians in this country would have backed first hurdle. backed out at the first hurdle. he has going and on and he has kept going on and on and on.and he has kept going on and on and on. and you know what? >> donald trump has more love for country than the whole for this country than the whole of westminster put together . of westminster put together. america would be off with america would be better off with trump. kingdom would be trump. united kingdom would be better rather better off with trump rather than a i believe is a than a what i believe is a british hating president we british hating president that we have the have at the moment, and the world better off with world would be better off with trump. these liberals having trump. all these liberals having complete tantrums about, oh well, you women, well, he said, you know, women, let grab them by. let me grab them by. >> what evidence is there sukh meltdown about that?

>> women probably did >> well, some women probably did let him. i know what i was like. >> oh, belinda, come on, come on, come on. >> on your point, on your point about being love for britain. >> he loved britain so much that he didn't give us a trade deal. no, that's because he didn't have no, that's because he didn't havand covid hit. come i >> and covid hit. oh, come on, i really believe genuinely really believe i genuinely believe we have a trade believe we would have a trade deal trump think deal with trump by now. i think there feminists and there are fake feminists and conditional feminists that berate a few, berate trump for saying a few, uh, undesirable things uh, you know, undesirable things when never said anything when they never said anything about gangs this about the grooming gangs in this country. absolute country. there is an absolute law fair on him. instead law fair attack on him. instead of warfare. >> he's just to be clear with everything he says. >> clear, i agree >> just to be clear, i agree with everything he does, we with everything he does, but we need a strong leader because liberalism need a strong leader because libeheism need a strong leader because libehe denied lost an election. >> yeah, but but we don't know. >> yeah, but but we don't know. >> you just rightly condemned obviously gangs, obviously the grooming gangs, which and which is utterly appalling. and the to it. how which is utterly appalling. and th of >> so you don't believe any of those not that don't believe >> it's not that i don't believe

them. a lot like you them. i it sounds a lot like you don't believe. no, i'm not saying that. i'm just saying i'm not coming firm conclusion saying that. i'm just saying i'm not youing firm conclusion saying that. i'm just saying i'm not you obviouslyrm conclusion saying that. i'm just saying i'm not you obviously have nclusion saying that. i'm just saying i'm not you obviously have and sion like you obviously have and said, guilty. said, confirm that he's guilty. he's or innocent he's not guilty or innocent because hasn't gone because he hasn't been gone through been through the courts and been charged with it yet. so what i'm saying cannot say the man saying is you cannot say the man is hasn't been is a monster when he hasn't been charged the stuff charged with any of the stuff you accused. >> you belinda, when you >> you know, belinda, when you pay >> you know, belinda, when you pay people lot money not pay people a lot of money to not go system, go through the court system, that to help the process. that tends to help the process. >> never sold himself as >> he never sold himself as a saint. he is not perfect. i don't all says or don't agree with all he says or all but is what the all he does, but is what the west right needs right now west leads right needs right now is a leader. the liberal is a strong leader. the liberal wet destroyed us, wet wipes have destroyed us, destroying our culture, history, our for destroying our culture, history, our by for destroying our culture, history, our by their for destroying our culture, history, our by their spineless for stand by their spineless attitude globalism. attitude towards globalism. trump stop don't trump would stop that. i don't mind his america first, but what i think right. i think is right. >> is western culture >> but what is western culture if not built on democracy ? if not built on democracy? >> and this is a president who denies made democracy. look, i could probably get over maybe he was. i i could i could stomach trump if he hadn't have denied that he lost the last election. but he did. >> yeah , but you don't know >> yeah, but you don't know that. >> listen, you don't know the

actual facts. >> no. donald actual facts. >> oh no. no donald trump said he election. >> oh no. no donald trump said he i election. >> oh no. no donald trump said he i bet election. >> oh no. no donald trump said he i bet youlection. >> oh no. no donald trump said he i bet you probably. i mean, >> i bet you probably. i mean, look, when they said about the covid and everyone covid and wuhan and everyone said, you think donald trump covid and wuhan and everyone said,the you think donald trump covid and wuhan and everyone said,the election?( donald trump won the election? >> it was it was a >> oh, it was it was it was a hoax. >> it out it was. and >> it turned out it was. and donald thought donald trump thought that. so lots he said have lots of things he said have turned out to be right. but not the he the election because he lost. >> don't know that, though. >> look, i'm sorry you're seriously saying didn't seriously saying i didn't say anything? >> i know that joe biden won the last year. no i didn't say that. >> what you saying? >> what are you saying? i'm saying may saying that donald trump may have maybe was have a point. maybe there was the that has. the point that he has. >> well, you'd let me speak, >> well, if you'd let me speak, i get through this. he i might get through this. he said that election said that the election was stolen. maybe there was something there. it something that went on there. it did dodgy. did seem pretty dodgy. >> something happened. >> something happened. >> nonsense. and >> that's complete nonsense. and actually, us actually, that should terrify us that a man who wants that you support a man who wants to basics democracy. to deny the basics of democracy. >> glad scared. >> i'm glad you're scared. >> i'm glad you're scared. >> i'm glad you're scared. >> i'm glad >> illegal system. i'm glad you're to be you're in order to be a demagogue. who they demagogue. someone who says they want dictator. want to be a dictator. >> got biden. you >> you've got joe biden. you like biden, your friend joe biden. >> i like democracy, and i think order, silence the order, order, silence in the house, against brexit house, fighting against brexit from japan. from america to japan. >> going tell >> belinda's going to tell us about fat over there .

about fat shaming over there. you're

news welcome back to the saturday five. welcome back to the saturday five.thank welcome back to the saturday five. thank you very much for your emails. i've got them here. john has written in good evening john.john john has written in good evening john. john trump isn't john. john says trump isn't opposed nato. he's opposed to opposed to nato. he's opposed to members nato not paying their members of nato not paying their fair share. that's i said, fair share. that's what i said, right? and mark says, right? yeah. and mark says, sorry, the globalists sorry, ben, the globalists are the ones scared of the only ones that are scared of trump. loves britain and trump. trump loves britain and americans . we'll see. americans love trump. we'll see. and says clearly they don't. >> he lost. >> he lost. >> well, he's about to win again. trump was such again. if donald trump was such again. if donald trump was such a the americans a bad president, the americans would vote for him again. would never vote for him again. why left so scared of why the woke left so scared of him getting re—elected? it's because fantastic leader because he's a fantastic leader and his country first. and he puts his country first. and then, uh, steven reiterates donald trump is not anti—nato . donald trump is not anti—nato. he's just pro fairness . thank he's just pro fairness. thank you very much for those now it's time for our next debate. up next, it is indeed belinda deluise. >> right. well, the uk is fat stricken. sos mayday, mayday.

nothing so far is working to help brits get out of the fat ditch. we are stuck in nearly a quarter of children leave primary school obese. yet we are still treading softly, softly around this topic. british lives are worth more than this. our lack intervention this lack of intervention on this issue will up lowering life issue will end up lowering life expectancy to what it was in the victorian times. expectancy to what it was in the victorian times . what a shameful victorian times. what a shameful legacy to leave for future generations . could copying generations. could copying japan's hostile climate to obesity be the answer ? well, obesity be the answer? well, only 4 to 5% of adults in japan are obese , compared to 29% in are obese, compared to 29% in the uk. and it's not all about diet. companies are responsive people there for measuring waistlines of their workforce. and if employees exceed it, it can lead to consequences at work, like 10,000 steps a day. and they also reward employees with an amazon gift card for doing 8000 steps a day. the government broadcasts an exercise class every morning. it's the law that workers across the country pause to work out together just stretches and

movement classes . nothing movement classes. nothing rigorous, gets their rigorous, but it gets their blood pumping and sets them up for the they also have this for the day. they also have this weight app that combines weight loss app that combines virtual romance much virtual romance with how much weight your love weight you lose with your love interest, character hurling, insults you you get the insults at you until you get the dial harsh, unpopular dial moving, harsh, unpopular measures. i'm sure, but is it worth a try ? it could start to worth a try? it could start to lift millions out of poor health, become more productive, healthier and happier. and this would to the would filter down to the children it or loathe it, children like it or loathe it, this saving lives . are we this is saving lives. are we brave enough to follow suit? no. nana £6.5 billion of taxpayers money is wasted every year on obesity related illnesses . are obesity related illnesses. are we intervening too? less? should the state get involved ? the state get involved? >> see, i don't like the idea of states getting involved in people's health unless they're states getting involved in people them,.th unless they're states getting involved in people them, because; they're states getting involved in people them, because .they're states getting involved in people them, because . iney're killing them, because. in people's health care, well, no. for a good reason. if they've done something bad. but for people's health when it people's health care, when it comes to actually obesity, i believe own believe that you have your own self you don't self control. and if you don't act, you don't your own self

act, you don't use your own self control, what? i mean, what control, then what? i mean, what is nobody's the is this? nobody's forcing the food people food down their mouths. people are and getting are eating too much and getting fat. reason why i wasn't fat. and the reason why i wasn't a very good trainer is because i was that and people was like that app and people didn't in this didn't really like it in this country. we'd have country. i think we'd have a load lefties going, oh, he load of lefties going, oh, he called me fat. and they'd called me fat. oh, and they'd be suing right and suing people left right and centre. this never happen centre. this could never happen in country. sadly that app in this country. sadly that app that mentioned, was that you mentioned, was it a state that you mentioned, was it a statno, it's not a state owned, >> no, it's not a state owned, but very, very but it's very, very, very popular. and the more weight you lose interest , lose your virtual love interest, you calling you you know, keeps calling you fatty and hurls abuse fatty and tubby and hurls abuse until lose your weight. and until you lose your weight. and then you get together with the love interest. >> not sure say that's >> i'm not sure i'd say that's coercive control or something. i'm whole i'm not sure about the whole virtual thing , virtual love interest thing, because that in japan because we know that in japan they've real problem with, they've got a real problem with, you know, just interest . you know, just love interest. >> people aren't >> in general. people aren't having people aren't in having babies, people aren't in relationships. think that having babies, people aren't in relatiovirtual think that having babies, people aren't in relatiovirtual love think that having babies, people aren't in relatiovirtual love interest at having babies, people aren't in relati

treadmill. >> do you think we're that sensitive of about fat this sensitive of about fat in this country in terms of like if, for example, at school and if example, at school and work, if it 45 it was mandatory to do 45 minutes morning before minutes every morning before classes work starts to get classes or work starts to get them am it them out? belinda, i am it wouldn't we'd have wouldn't work because we'd have the thing. the whole thing. >> of freedom of >> oh, freedom of freedom of choice. we can't be forced to do anything. of anything. it'd be all of that that we the attitude. >> you know what? it could be part of this national service that i was that i was suggesting that i was that i was suggesting that people that people do their exercise. >> look, i'm very authoritarian when comes health. think when it comes to health. i think people doing their people should be doing their exercise. what japan exercise. i think what japan is doing wonderful. we're too doing is wonderful. we're too fat this country. let's all fat in this country. let's all get a treadmill and lose some get on a treadmill and lose some weight. look, get >> i mean, look, so if i get this app, will get a love this app, i will get a love interest. i might be virtual, but that a great but that would be a great improvement on the current situation. >> so but but it would be hurling benjamin. hurling abuse at you. benjamin. you so long as well. you get up so long as well. >> why do this show as >> that's why i do this show as well. >> sevilla perfect. >> sevilla perfect. >> look, you know the thing >> look, do you know the thing is, think this that you is, i think this idea that you can people into losing can shame people into losing weight they're seriously weight when they're seriously overweight wrong. people overweight is just wrong. people you overweight, overweight is just wrong. people you not overweight, overweight is just wrong. people you not blind overweight,

overweight is just wrong. people you not blind . overweight, overweight is just wrong. people you not blind . theyrveight, overweight is just wrong. people you not blind . they know , they're not blind. they know what they look like in the one sense, don't need you to sense, they don't need you to sort steady foot around them. sort of steady foot around them. but i think that they need support because often it's mental health issues. it's depression . if they didn't start depression. if they didn't start with that, often have with that, they often have that when know, become when they, you know, become very large. think have to large. 9. i think you have to help with carrot and help people with carrot and stick, tell , but that's stick, not just tell, but that's what it is that is carrot and stick. >> that has not worked so far. there's been carrot and stick >> that has not worked so far. thedecades] carrot and stick >> that has not worked so far. thedecades] cthis and stick >> that has not worked so far. thedecades] cthis country. k for decades in this country. >> eating all the >> they've been eating all the carrots. there hasn't been enough and it's not enough carrot and it's not working honest, working because let's be honest, it's lose weight. it's really hard to lose weight. >> feel really sorry for >> i feel really sorry for people their people who struggle with their weight. all weight. i don't think it's all about them. it's the climate we've created. but you know, the food is terrible , but it's not food is terrible, but it's not all about and it's this blame other people. >> not one promote katie >> i'm not one to promote katie hopkins, but she did this brilliant show a brilliant television show a couple years ago where couple of years ago where basically loads of basically she put on loads of weight she lost it and weight and then she lost it and she the way lost it was she said the way she lost it was by eating less and more. by eating less and moving more. it's to lose it's not rocket science to lose weight. it's really hated when weight. it's a really hated when people say, oh, it's so hard to lose weight, reduce calorie lose weight, reduce your calorie intake, exercise .

intake, increase your exercise. >> that's not quite and you'll lose weight. >> trainer, i know that's >> as a trainer, i know that's not true. there are not quite true. there are hormones and hormones can control regulate how. no, control and regulate how. no, no, no, they can regulate whether or not. whether you lose weight or not. so will literally struggle. >> 29% of people have bad hormones. >> no, no no. your hormones >> no, no no no. your hormones have effect your weight as have an effect on your weight as well. what you're saying well. so what you're saying is not true. i'm not that not true. i'm not saying that most people can't most people who can't lose weight are because of that, but i'm that is another factor. >> but do you think it should be mandatory workplace? >> but do you think it should be ma nanay workplace? >> but do you think it should be ma nana like, workplace? >> but do you think it should be ma nana like, do workplace? >> but do you think it should be ma nana like, do you kplace? >> but do you think it should be ma nana like, do you thinks? >> nana like, do you think that's a good idea? at least it will. 45 minutes exercise when you get to work. everyone's pumped you get to work. everyone's pum|just, i just i just know >> i just, i just i just know that the mindset of this country that the mindset of this country that never it that would never work. it couldn't news start couldn't happen if gb news start asking skip on the top asking me to skip on the top of the show, i'm not sure can i just we these jabs and just we have these new jabs and pills make you lose pills that can make you lose weight, that have been miraculous. >> i think nhs should >> i think the nhs should prescribe that prescribe them for people that have weight issues. have long tum weight issues. >> okay. thank you >> all right. okay. thank you very guests tonight. very much to our guests tonight. >> akua up >> the wonderful nana akua up next. the brilliant leo next. it's the brilliant leo kearse saturday kearse with the saturday night showdown. for showdown. cheers very much for watching. you next week. watching. see you next week. >> feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt , sponsors of

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