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madness which borders on utter madness which borders on child abuse. in just moment. child abuse. in just a moment. plus to a holocaust plus we speak to a holocaust survivor in a mark meat special to honour holocaust memorial day in the big story. is british policing now institutionally woke.7 i'll be joined by a former downing street adviser and ex—top cop with some worrying statistics about how social justice warriors in the police force are costing lives and making the streets less safe looking forward to this. you don't want to miss this one. in my take at ten, bbc radio four star james knocked attacks gb news. he said he's worried about this place and so he should be the party's over for establishment media, but they won't go down without a fight . won't go down without a fight. yes, indeed. i'll be dealing with this big star at the bbc in no uncertain terms. he said he's worried about gb news. it's a concerning development. is that
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because we challenge narratives and we give you a voice .7 i'll be and we give you a voice? i'll be deaung and we give you a voice? i'll be dealing with this bbc star at ten and i'm not pulling my punches. so two hours of big opinion, big debate and big entertainment. this. is your perfect saturday night in. so you've got my permission to crack open a bottle of cold beer , maybe a glass of wine or fire up the kettle and tear open the custard creams. lots to get through . four year olds through. four year olds transitioning at primary school. i'll deal with that after the headunes i'll deal with that after the headlines and sophia wenzler. thanks mark. >> good evening. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb news room . the wenzler in the gb news room. the business and trade secretary says there's a need for new leadership at the post office as the outgoing chairman steps down, the government announced henry staunton and kemi badenoch agreed ways with mutual agreed to part ways with mutual consent . it's after the post consent. it's after the post office has come under fire over
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its handling of the horizon. it scandal . government officials scandal. government officials say interim will be appointed say an interim will be appointed shortly recruitment shortly and a recruitment process for a new chair will be launched in course, launched in due course, in accordance with the governance code for public appointed agents . a fire in a four storey building near liverpool city centre is no longer being considered a major incident. that's to according firefighters. earlier, smoke could be seen across the merseyside skyline in merseyside. fire rescue merseyside. fire and rescue services say successful firefighting tactics have resulted in the fire being greatly reduced. the incident has been scaled down and locals who were evacuated earlier are being allowed to return to their homes . queen camilla has visited homes. queen camilla has visited the king in hospital as he recovers from a procedure for an enlarged prostate. the king is resting at the london clinic for a second day after receiving the treatment at buckingham palace, say the king is doing well. it's the same hospital where the princess of wales is being cared for, following abdominal surgery. charles's former butler
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, grant harrold, told gb news the british public's response to the british public's response to the royal health show how the royal health scares show how much care. people always much they care. people always say he was a centric. >> he was old fashioned, out of touch.i >> he was old fashioned, out of touch. i never saw that when i worked for him and i think that's what the public are getting to see, and that's where there's affection. there's this affection. so the fact he is having fact that he is having this procedure, obviously the public want know want to kind of let them know that thinking that they're thinking of them. and with princess and the same with princess of wales. there's been wales. i understand there's been many, many, letters and many, many, many letters and cards wishing her many, many, many letters and carcbest wishing her many, many, many letters and carcbest of wishing her many, many, many letters and carcbest of health.'ishing her many, many, many letters and carcbest of health. grant her many, many, many letters and carcbest of health. grant shapps the best of health. grant shapps says it's our duty to protect the navigation of the red sea after a british backed oil tanker was hit by a houthi missile, the vessel in the gulf of aden went up in flames on friday after it was targeted by the rebels . the rebels. >> a blaze in the marlin luanda's cargo was luanda's cargo tank was extinguished with the help of indian, us and french navy vessels and all crew are reported to be safe and scotland's first minister has made an urgent plea to unite against hate on the occasion of holocaust memorial day in a video posted on humza yousaf
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says together we remember the millions of lives cut short with the utmost cruelty and brutality. lands marks across the uk have glowed purple to mark the holocaust memorial day . mark the holocaust memorial day. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car , on your digital tv in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to . mark my thanks to back to. mark my thanks to sophia, who returns in an hour's time. >> we've got the dream team this evening, producer maria and also directors josh and sebastian , directors josh and sebastian, who's doing his 700th day in a row here at gb news welcome to mark dolan tonight. row here at gb news welcome to mark dolan tonight . your perfect mark dolan tonight. your perfect saturday night in in my opinion, a boy aged four has been allowed to join a church of england school as a girl. this is progress , is it? i'll be dealing progress, is it? i'll be dealing with utter madness which with this utter madness which borders on child in just borders on child abuse in just a moment . in the borders on child abuse in just a moment. in the big borders on child abuse in just a moment . in the big story borders on child abuse in just a
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moment. in the big story is british policing now institutionally woke? i'll be joined downing joined by a former downing street adviser and ex—top cop with some worrying statistics about how social justice warriors in the police are costing lives and making us less safe . plus, we speak to safe. plus, we speak to a holocaust survivor in a mock meats special to honour holocaust memorial day. in my take at ten, bbc radio four star james nocti attacks gb news. he said he's worried about this place and so he should be. the party's over for establishment media. but they won't go down without a fight . meanwhile, in without a fight. meanwhile, in america , as donald trump is america, as donald trump is ordered to pay over $80 million after losing a court case, has his race for the presidency hit the rocks and all? the latest on princess katherine and king charles and the royal health crisis in the company of the queen of us showbiz royal and political reporting. kinsey schofield . and we also got schofield. and we also got tomorrow's front pages at 1030 with three top pundits tonight who hadn't been told what to say
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and who don't follow script and who don't follow the script tonight. journalist and model diana moran , political diana moran, political commentator and someone that should be a model. the very hot benedict spence and the brilliant tv personality broadcaster and inveterate dropper of truth bombs, precious muir . dropper of truth bombs, precious muir. tonight i'll be asking the pundits, as our economy flatlines should we do more to encourage over 50s back into the workplace? we'll be joined by a top economist who says bringing back our wonderful older folk into the office shops, restaurants and factories could save the country's fortunes. plus the most important part of the show your emails. they come straight to my laptop mark at gbnews.com. this show has a golden rule we don't do boring. not on my watch. i just won't have it a big two hours to come. you're watching mark dolan tonight saying true things out loud . and we start with my big loud. and we start with my big opinion . good evening. this is
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opinion. good evening. this is progress. is it? the telegraph . progress. is it? the telegraph. report that a church of england primary school allowed a four year old boy to join as a girl? you heard me right. a four year old boy joining a church. primary school as a girl. what were the good lord make of that one? now the child sex was hidden from classmates who were described by parents as traumatised. as a result of finding out that what they thought was a girl was a boy . thought was a girl was a boy. one of the parents of a child who friends with the boy who who was friends with the boy who identifies female, told the identifies as female, told the telegraph. the school robbed telegraph. the school has robbed her daughter of her childhood as she discovered her friend is not a girl, and that the teachers lied to her about it. a girl, and that the teachers lied to her about it . where to lied to her about it. where to start with this ? that this start with this? that this ungodly act should happen in a church of england school tells you everything you need to know about that institution. under the leadership ultra the leadership of ultra woke archbishop canterbury , justin archbishop of canterbury, justin welby. if i was in charge, i would shut the school down and
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investigate every c of school in britain . in investigate every c of school in britain. in the investigate every c of school in britain . in the aforementioned britain. in the aforementioned parents at the school, who was formerly a non—teaching staff member, has told the telegraph how the trans identifying child formed a friendship group with her daughter and she welcomed him to playdates. thinking he was a girl. the mother said her daughter started behaving strangely last time, including by refusing to talk or listen to the radio on her way home. hiding under the table and suffering from stress induced insomnia and constipation . insomnia and constipation. listen, if this isn't a form of child abuse, i don't know what is happening in a british school. the mother said that her daughter was distraught that her friend had lied to her, and that she'd been holding hands with the boy and here's the kicker wait for this. it is reported that the trans identifying child had been flashing their willy at the girls. there were no words. here's a school that thinks it's appropriate for a four year old to change their gender, to lie
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about it and place other small children at risk of at the very least, psychological damage . the least, psychological damage. the children in that class now have to grapple with the complicated idea that a boy is a girl, or a girl is a boy, and that somehow now you can be born in the wrong body. a highly contested concept , and one which is both biologically and scientifically impossible . well, now we hear impossible. well, now we hear a lot about the so—called invented culture wars. apparently it's those on the right who imagine that this mad stuff is happening. many argue there is no woke takeover of our public institutions with bonkers ideas. well i beg to differ. when a male double rapist who identified as female was accommodated in a women's prison in scotland , we crossed the in scotland, we crossed the rubicon and fiction became fact from conspiracy theory to reality. and what is the conspiracy here? well, it seems to me that it's a war on gender itself, fuelled by radical
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leftists who aim to get them started early , inculcating our started early, inculcating our smallest children in this insane ideology . now trans adults, some ideology. now trans adults, some of whom are good friends of mine, should be entitled to identify as they wish and to be respected and shown compassion . respected and shown compassion. no problem, but extreme trans ideology, which says that you can change your biological sex and that men are women and that women are men, is misogynist stick. it's homophobic and reverses decades of progress for women who have fought hard for female only spaces and to participate in female only sporting competition, it takes a lot to shock me, but this story feels more than just a foolish policy . it feels like a crime . i policy. it feels like a crime. i would comfortably call it child abuse. the concerned mother of the distressed girl concludes , i the distressed girl concludes, i just want my daughter to be a child. she goes on. the schools actions have robbed her of this
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and that can never be given back . battling twisted , arguably . battling twisted, arguably perverted, woke ideology is now an existential moment for our society that was always a great fear, wasn't they? that they would come for your children? well, now we know they have . well, now we know they have. your reaction, mark at gb news .com. we'll get to your emails very shortly. but tonight's top punst very shortly. but tonight's top pundits are are journalist and model diana moran . political model diana moran. political commentator benedict spence and tv personality and broadcast precious muir. diana moran. your reaction to this story ? i see a reaction to this story? i see a four year old boy goes into a primary school as a girl. i think it's absolutely disgusting. >> it's robbing children of their childhood . lovely time. their childhood. lovely time. you know , without the worries of you know, without the worries of the world that are going to come
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at them far , far too quickly. as at them far, far too quickly. as the years go by, i find it horrendous . and yes, i think it horrendous. and yes, i think it is a form of child abuse. i think it's dreadful. >> benedict's the school would argue that they're simply acknowledging that society has changed. they want to be inclusive for a child that feels they're in the wrong body. it's called gender dysphoria, a recognised condition. all the school are doing is demonstrating compassion . demonstrating compassion. >> um, a child, a four year old child is too young to be making those kind of decisions for themselves. parents should not be making decisions on behalf of a child that young. uh, certainly of such, uh, gravitas. if you want to go with the argument that the society has changed, okay, fine. we can have that discussion. but that doesn't mean that all change is necessarily or good, and doesn't mean that all change is nedoesn'ty or good, and doesn't mean that all change is nedoesn't mean or good, and doesn't mean that all change is nedoesn't mean that or good, and doesn't mean that all change is nedoesn't mean that trendsd, and it doesn't mean that trends are things last indefinitely. things that last indefinitely. i think another think this is just another example, sort of to think this is just another exaiheart sort of to think this is just another exaiheart of sort of to think this is just another exaiheart of so sort of to think this is just another exaiheart of so many)f to think this is just another exaiheart of so many issues to think this is just another exaiheart of so many issues that the heart of so many issues that we do have in british society at the which people
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the moment, which is that people want seen to be nice. want to be seen to be nice. adults want to be seen to be doing thing, to kind, doing a nice thing, to be kind, to isn't to people. and that isn't necessarily the thing. it necessarily the best thing. it might be seem easy to indulge a four year old and say, yes, you can be a girl. you can live your life this way . does that life this way. does that actually set the child up for the best possible, childhood the best possible, uh, childhood ? think it does. ? no, i don't think it does. does negatively impact on does that negatively impact on other within the group? other children within the group? absolutely that absolutely and again, it's that sort short termism going, sort of short termism going, okay, fine. yes. just indulge this be so we can this person, be nice so we can all smile and be happy and get along. and will call you along. and nobody will call you along. and nobody will call you a nobody actually a bigot, but nobody actually thinks the long thinks about what the long tum repercussions might repercussions of that might be, or effect that child's or the effect on that child's mental children's mental health, other children's mental health, other children's mental that, think, mental health, other children's m at:al that, think, mental health, other children's m at the that, think, mental health, other children's m at the core that, think, mental health, other children's m at the core of that, think, mental health, other children's m at the core of so that, think, mental health, other children's m at the core of so many think, mental health, other children's m at the core of so many issues is at the core of so many issues in country. the short tum in this country. the short tum desire want avoid any kind in this country. the short tum de difficult'ant avoid any kind in this country. the short tum de difficult decision,oid any kind in this country. the short tum de difficult decision, 100. ny kind of difficult decision, 100. >> precious muir i think this school should be shut or school should be shut down or at least played or put into special measures . the teachers lied to measures. the teachers lied to their small pupils about the gender of this child. >> i mean, i actually went to catholic school, so to be
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honest, my entire education as a child, as a young student, i was in a religious environment. >> and for me , i don't think it >> and for me, i don't think it would have ever happened back then, but it seems to me like a dirty little secret, almost, because it's like you're because it's like if you're going to be able to be open and forward thinking, why don't we just express this to the students, to the parents and let everybody know, don't keep it a secret. that i think is a concern for me. having the child in the school and nobody really knows about it. the students don't know anything about it. it makes it seem like they're like like they're keeping it a secret . and it's like something bad if you're trying to actually change the world of the way of thinking, you would just be open about it and say, hey, we do have a young transgender individual in class. just so you know , this is the student treat know, this is the student treat them with care. treat them with respect . but you have to allow respect. but you have to allow these students to choose. you can't then push this person onto
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them. they're thinking it's a girl. they're having intimate, you know, friendships with them. and then that child is now exposing themselves in the bathroom . i think it's bathroom. i think it's completely wrong . it's the wrong completely wrong. it's the wrong way about doing stuff . if you're way about doing stuff. if you're going to have a transgender child in school, everybody in that school should know just out of safety for the children that are not transgender and the child safety who is transgender because if somebody figures it out, then an all of a sudden that child's in danger. if we all know we can save that child from anything happening to them. but if we don't know, how would we? we defend the child? we? how can we defend the child? okay >> donna moran. >> donna moran. >> well, what was just going >> well, what i was just going to was, i've had children of to say was, i've had children of my own. sure most of us here my own. i'm sure most of us here have. and there moments when have. and there are moments when any child is going to draw up a girl as a pirate or a boy in some other pretty little clothes that are around. this is a transition thing. it's something that they do. it's not necessarily . going to stay with
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necessarily. going to stay with them for the whole of their lifetime. how do they know about that? at four years old, i think it's terrible, right? i mean, briefly, diana, do you think it's inappropriate for a trans child to be in primary school? >> do you think that the schools policy should be that we do not acknowledge the existence of a trans child ? a boy is a boy, trans child? a boy is a boy, a girl is a girl. would that be your red line at primary school? >> it certainly would be. and you mentioned in your introduction that he shook his willy about. i mean, what's all that about ? about. yeah. how that about? about. yeah. how frightening for a little girl would never be guilty of such a crime. >> although you could be forgiven your forgiven for doing so given your excellent physique. but benedict, what do you think? this the ultimate question . this is the ultimate question. which is? it the job of which is? is it the job of schools to acknowledge a child as trans or should it not go there ? i mean, what should the there? i mean, what should the policy be? this is a real minefield, isn't it? >> i mean, a four year old barely has any concept of time, let alone of gender. actually, i think that they can distinguish
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between boys and girls, but actually intricacies of what actually the intricacies of what that involves are actually beyond them. at . that stage. beyond them. at. that stage. i think that it is therefore unhelpful for adults to try to, in enforce these sort of categories on people or mindsets on children at a stage where, as diana saying, you know, are they actively sort playing, actively sort of playing, they're playing they're quite literally playing with, they're exploring, they're trying what the trying to find out what the world is, let alone they world is, let alone what they are. okay so i think benedict and are saying that and diana are saying that primary should not primary schools should not acknowledge child and acknowledge a trans child and stick biology. stick to their biology. >> you've casting vote >> you've got the casting vote briefly you can. yes or no. briefly if you can. yes or no. do you think schools do you think primary schools should acknowledge trans children? precious? >> , i think that if the >> i do, i think that if the child is identified king and it's already happening in the household , and then you have to household, and then you have to make that children are make sure that children are aware in the over aware of this in the school over to you, mark at gbnews.com. >> coming up next in the big story is british policing now instituted finally woke. i'll be joined by former downing joined by a former downing street ex—top cop street adviser and ex—top cop with worrying statistics about
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people, you're listening to gb news radio . news radio. >> the church of england school accepts a four year old boy as a girl girl, and the teachers lied to the other kids about their genden to the other kids about their gender. that's my big opinion. topic it's kind of broken the internet. i've got to say. daniel, in our digital team is currently putting it into a video for twitter. catch it shortly , but a reaction on email shortly, but a reaction on email comes from angela mark. i have 19 year old identical twin daughters. when they started school aged four, one of them preferred playing with the boys, wanted to be like them, dressing like them. this lasted a couple of . things moved on. of years. things moved on. whatever are the parents doing? sarah, mark, this is absolutely ridiculous. parents should not indulge the child. i think it's attention seeking parents who think their child is intellectually superior to in
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having these thoughts. two more quick mark says. colin quick ones, mark says. colin i think the first thing they should do is remove this child think the first thing they shou|itsio is remove this child think the first thing they shou|its .» is remove this child think the first thing they shou|its . parents)ve this child think the first thing they shou|its . parents and his child think the first thing they shou|its . parents and joe :hild think the first thing they shou|its . parents and joe says, from its. parents and joe says, hi mark, i am 56 and a trans woman. i'm not a woman. i do not use women spaces at uh . even use women spaces at uh. even though i knew i was different at four, even though i knew i was different to the other boys. i enjoyed my childhood. uh, listen, love have time listen, i'd love to have time for whole email, but, joe, for your whole email, but, joe, thank much emailing thank you so much for emailing in. lots more to come. but first, big story and the first, the big story and the former top cop and special adviser to number 10 downing street, rory geoghegan, has written an explosive piece this week in the telegraph arguing that a focus on social justice and woke political correct causesis and woke political correct causes is making the streets less safe and making issues like racism even worse. in his article, which is a cracking read, he argues the police top brass have dragged policing into the middle of an ideological and political battle ground with
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support for the controversial black lives matter organisation and a perceived soft touch towards eco campaigners. he's also expressed concerns that the fear of being labelled racist led to the grooming gangs scandals , among other crimes. he scandals, among other crimes. he cites the college of policing's updated code of ethics, which he says reads more like a social justice warriors charter than a serious document to support men and women to bravely fight crime. so is british policing now institutionally woke? and as a consequence, are the streets less safe ? let's welcome rory less safe? let's welcome rory geoghegan, who is now the director of the public safety foundation . rory, great to have foundation. rory, great to have you on the show. what is the real world impact of this culture of political correctness within policing ? within policing? >> look, you've >> well, look, mark, you've given me a great introduction. >> i suppose i'd just say, firstly, the top cops at the moment are the men and women out on the front lines still
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fighting crime, using stop and search despite fact that search despite the fact that every voice around them seems to be against them. every voice around them seems to be soiinst them. every voice around them seems to be so ,1st them. every voice around them seems to be so , um,1em. every voice around them seems to be so , um, look, i mean, ithink >> so, um, look, i mean, i think policing captured. i think policing is captured. i think a lot policing lot of the public think policing is that capture is captured, but that capture is actually pretty small actually over a pretty small part of policing, you know, you could probably fit most of the kind of people who are part of the problem . here into kind of, the problem. here into kind of, you know, a secondary school kind of hall. so the vast majority of men and women out there doing the job there is fed up this as we are, as the up of this as as we are, as the pubuc up of this as as we are, as the public are. and you know, the most recent polling 40% most recent polling showed 40% of think the police of the public think the police are more interested being are now more interested in being woke fighting crime. woke than in fighting crime. well, i'm sure well, you know that i'm sure would resonated with the would be resonated with the frontline. i'm sure the frontline. i'm sure the frontline themselves would feel, if not more so than that. so. so for me, there capture for me, yeah, there is capture and ideologies for me, yeah, there is capture and we ideologies for me, yeah, there is capture and we see ideologies for me, yeah, there is capture and we see elsewherelogies for me, yeah, there is capture and we see elsewhere and, s for me, yeah, there is capture and we see elsewhere and, you that we see elsewhere and, you know, the previous segments spoke of gender spoke about the kind of gender ideology know, ideology stuff. well, you know, gender ideology, critical race theory, the anti—racist ideology that the sort that is that is within the sort of the dna, if you will, of certain echelons within policing, to be policing, and it needs to be gnpped gripped it. >> well, indeed, critical race
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theory contested because theory is very contested because it goes against martin luther king's push for a colour—blind society. he he famously said, we should be judged on our character, not the colour of our skin. critical race theory folks . voices on segregation black only audiences at theatre shows, safe spaces for people of colour at university, which . you could at university, which. you could argue is racist. so how have police forces been captured by these ideas ? what's behind this? these ideas? what's behind this? i think rory yeah, i think the most recent sort of probably moment where some of this kind of ideology crept in and was arguably invited in, perhaps in some cases was obviously in the wake of the george floyd death overin wake of the george floyd death over in america. >> so thousands miles away , >> so thousands of miles away, completely different continent , completely different continent, uh, you know, and obviously for some bizarre reason, uh, a sort of an overambition around bringing critical bringing some of that critical race theory and the ideology associated with into uk associated with it into uk policing. probably hasn't policing. um, it probably hasn't helped. it definitely hasn't helped. it definitely hasn't helped think politicians helped that i think politicians in parliament see this on in parliament and we see this on other too often, quite at
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other issues too often, quite at odds with where the public are at issues . and so think at on issues. and so i think it's very easy for a lot of parliamentarians kind of just parliamentarians to kind of just nod go with a lot of nod and go along with a lot of this when actually this stuff, when actually their constituents of constituents would be sort of appalled and appalled by it. appalled and are appalled by it. so the sort of the post—george floyd moment was a real one. and obviously saw a small number floyd moment was a real one. and ob police saw a small number floyd moment was a real one. and ob police officers' a small number floyd moment was a real one. and ob police officers taking ll number floyd moment was a real one. and ob police officers taking the umber of police officers taking the knee, we saw chief constable knee, but we saw chief constable some them, you know, failing some of them, you know, failing to of recognise that that to kind of recognise that that was and was a political statement and that completely undermined was a political statement and thatwholefpletely undermined was a political statement and thatwholefplete ofundermined was a political statement and thatwholefplete of being,|ined was a political statement and thatwholefplete of being, youi the whole point of being, you know, impartial police know, an impartial police officer. think, you know, officer. so i think, you know, that was probably the most recent moment of course, that was probably the most recent nthe ant of course, that was probably the most recent nthe next of course, that was probably the most recent nthe next major course, that was probably the most recent nthe next major moment perhaps the next major moment will be next general will be the next general election. know, of you election. you know, kind of you know, we're basically going to be probably a labour be looking at probably a labour party or with a big manifesto with on racial justice. with a focus on racial justice. well, that should send well, you know, that should send shivers through anyone who already things gone already thinks things have gone too i think we've too far. and so i think we've got very careful about got to be very careful about where goes next. and where where this goes next. and |, where where this goes next. and i, worry that, you i, i really worry that, you know, policing and police chiefs and the reason i'm speaking out on that i don't think on this is that i don't think police chiefs have either paid
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enough this or paid enough attention to this or paid enough attention to this or paid enough kind enough sort of critical kind of attention to it. and certainly they to much they don't seem to have much inclination towards addressing what the public feel, what 40% of the public feel, which police are which is that the police are woke. know, if, if, if that woke. you know, if, if, if that many people felt the police were something , you'd hope the something else, you'd hope the police listen. for police might listen. but for some a real some reason, there's a real blind spot here. and another critical for critical moment, i think, for both the and the police both the public and the police will the chief inspector will be when the chief inspector of constabulary reports on their review activism , review into political activism, which obviously braverman which obviously suella braverman quite sort of called on quite rightly sort of called on the inspectorate to review. and my is that the cops will my fear is that the cops will wimp out . my fear is that they wimp out. my fear is that they will think actually labour government probably on the way. we can probably get away with this probably just this and we can probably just keep on road, when keep the show on the road, when in should be a big, keep the show on the road, when in know, should be a big, keep the show on the road, when in know, redhould be a big, keep the show on the road, when in know, red light be a big, keep the show on the road, when in know, red light here. big, keep the show on the road, when in know, red light here. there you know, red light here. there should stop sign in the should be a big stop sign in the road . enough is enough. policing road. enough is enough. policing shouldn't be having anything to do with the sort of the mad gender ideology, the mad critical race theory, or the mad sort of associated anti—racist ideology. >> i share concerns about >> i share your concerns about a labour government and the police getting woke of getting even more woke. of course, labour argue that
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getting even more woke. of course has bour argue that getting even more woke. of coursehasbour and argue that getting even more woke. of course has bour and they ue that getting even more woke. of course has bour and they will1at getting even more woke. of course has bour and they will do crime has risen and they will do a much better job crime has risen and they will do a much betterjob than the a much better job than the tories, have made horlicks tories, who have made a horlicks of safety over the last of public safety over the last 14 years. um, rory , you've been 14 years. um, rory, you've been a top cop. you've also been an adviser to number 10. what is the solution here? how do we fix this? >> it's a good question . i mean, >> it's a good question. i mean, if we don't start to fix it. and i'll come on to how we do that. if we don't start fix it, then i think what we'll inevitably see down the road, off the back of probably political earthquake probably a political earthquake in parliamentary in terms of parliamentary sort of sense, you know, right, of either a new party or a kind of landslide majority in favour of someone common someone new bringing common sense. policing doesn't sense. if we if policing doesn't sort ahead of that, it sort of get ahead of that, it will find itself potentially pretty away with that in pretty washed away with that in terms how we could get a grip terms of how we could get a grip of it so obviously we, the of it now. so obviously we, the chief inspector of constabulary, could thing here could do the right thing here and recognise that these ideologies divisive, they're ideologies are divisive, they're problematic therefore ideologies are divisive, they're problei like c therefore ideologies are divisive, they're probleilike the therefore ideologies are divisive, they're probleilike the race therefore ideologies are divisive, they're probleilike the race action arefore ideologies are divisive, they're probleilike the race action plane things like the race action plan need to be sort of paused and revisited. um, but there's also a role here for the police and crime commissioners and local
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mayors. you know, obviously we might some might not expect much from some of are completely on of them who are completely on the sort of the, the the on the sort of the, the train towards this kind of social justice land. but for those crime those police and crime commissioners those commissioners and for those mayors or aspiring mayors out there, or aspiring mayors out there, or aspiring mayors pcc you know, mayors out there, or aspiring mayo is pcc you know, mayors out there, or aspiring mayois an pcc you know, mayors out there, or aspiring mayo is an opportunity know, mayors out there, or aspiring mayo is an opportunity in|ow, mayors out there, or aspiring mayo is an opportunity in the there is an opportunity in the forthcoming elections in forthcoming local elections in forthcoming local elections in for to stand on for may them to stand on a platform of common sense. and, you seen some of you know, we've seen some of that us. and i'm that in the us. and i'm i'm hopeful that we might start to that in the us. and i'm i'm hop some1at we might start to that in the us. and i'm i'm hop some of we might start to that in the us. and i'm i'm hop some of thatnight start to that in the us. and i'm i'm hop some of thatnight st some of see some of that here in some of the elections, such as the the local elections, such as the police crime commissioner police and crime commissioner elections, police and crime commissioner electi(as, police and crime commissioner electi(a local police crime think, a local police and crime commissioner with a with a clear local mandate to say, local democratic mandate to say, do our are do you know what, our cops are not to be playing politics not going to be playing politics with this stuff. with some of this stuff. our chiefs be chiefs aren't going to be getting activist space. getting into the activist space. i would actually i think that would actually galvanise and galvanise some new chiefs. and ultimately, the police ultimately, you know, the police and crime commissioner, they have new have the ability to hire a new chief and of course, one of those questions could those interview questions could well what do well be, what will you do to deal the political activism deal with the political activism that's deal with the political activism tha rory, a real treat have >> rory, a real treat to have you the show. my thanks to you on the show. my thanks to rory , who is the rory geoghegan, who is the director the public safety director of the public safety foundation. now others would argue that the police force are
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just dealing with a very modern world, a very modern population, and the fact that and acknowledging the fact that the changed in terms the world has changed in terms of their policing policies . so of their policing policies. so what think, mark, at gb what do you think, mark, at gb news.com, your reaction to that conversation. but coming up next with tonight's top pundits, as our economy flatlines, should we do more to encourage 50s do more to encourage over 50s back. do more to encourage over 50s back . into the workplace, we'll back. into the workplace, we'll be joined by a top economist who says bringing back our wonderful older folk into the office shops, and factories shops, restaurants and factories could save the country's fortunes. plus, we've been conducting an exclusive mark dolan tonight people's poll. we've been asking , as a four we've been asking, as a four year old boy is allowed to join a church england primary a church of england primary school girl, have educators school as a girl, have educators finally lost the plot ? well, the finally lost the plot? well, the results are in. i shall reveal all
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has had a word about gb news. he thinks that we are a worrying development. i'll be dealing with him in no uncertain terms at ten. you won't want to miss it now . the highly regarded it now. the highly regarded economist catherine mcbride has written an article for the daily telegraph newspaper this week, which has got people talking. the headline is the over 50s could save britain's economy if jeremy hunt lets them. the chancellor must scrap punitive levies if he wants to get britain back to work . so should britain back to work. so should we encourage older folk back into the workplace to save the british economy? let's get the views of my top pundits before we catch up with catherine herself . what do you think about herself. what do you think about this? i'll start with you, diana, uh, like me, diana, because, uh, like me, you're, uh, in the middle age bracket. unlike the other two youngsters. uh, do you think over 50s have something to offer to the workplace? >> of course they do. most >> of course they do. they most certainly experience is one certainly do experience is one thing, but i must say , we are thing, but i must say, we are living in a very changed world with regards to employment. i,
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for example . and i don't know for example. and i don't know about you, i'm self—employed. therefore i have to think about putting money away for pensions. i can't at the end of my working life say i've got this pension , life say i've got this pension, i can relax so everything has changed. a great deal recently and we do need encouragement. so does jeremy hunt. >> well, definitely . do you >> well, definitely. do you think the workplace is ageing ? think the workplace is ageing? precious muir i don't think so. >> i just think obviously it's really down to if the person who is over 50 wants to work in an environment where there is 19 year olds who are getting paid the same amount of money or closest to them in regards to like the salary, i think that is where 50 year olds plus don't want to do to deal with that and obviously have to having to answer to somebody who's also 27 years old and your boss. so maybe that kind of like environment isn't really , um, environment isn't really, um, you know, best for them. and
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that's why they're choosing to retire early . retire early. >> well, i think that's very true. the issue is that we need the over 50s working again because of those pensions and because of those pensions and because of those pensions and because of the economy. that's the point. that's catherine mcbride's point. benedict >> yes. and i mean, it's one aspect of very many aspects of the economy that are broken. and i think it's very important because i think a lot of older people, they tend to view things through of, i've through the prism of, well, i've paid system whole paid into a system my whole life. therefore deserve to get life. i therefore deserve to get things of them. but the things out of them. but the sheer expanse nature the sheer expanse of nature of the older generation in this country, um, are now sort of reaching a critical mass where actually they are actually they have they are taking out of the system far more than ever in. more than they ever put in. and the generation that are the generation below that are going be the exact same. and going to be the exact same. and they to work if they do actually need to work if they do actually need to work if they to kept, to they expect to be kept, so to speak, at the level of the standards that their predecessors were kept at. actually, is not there actually, the money is not there to support the welfare state that we have come to expect and enjoy . and when you add that on enjoy. and when you add that on top of the changing the demographic crisis in this country, aren't enough
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country, there aren't enough young actually entering young people actually entering the labour force to sustain those who are further up the chain. much about chain. it's less so much about it. yes. older people have it. ah yes. older people have something offer. it's more something to offer. it's more sort actually want sort of a do you actually want your hospitals function? sort of a do you actually want yomwantiitals function? sort of a do you actually want yomwant your function? sort of a do you actually want yomwant your care|nction? sort of a do you actually want yourwant your care homes’ sort of a do you actually want yomwant your care homes to you want your care homes to function ? when you get to a function? when you get to a certain it's no certain age, it's no longer a sort of a clapper. guys, sort of a happy clapper. guys, you've something to offer you've got something to offer it. actually you owe it. so actually you kind of owe it. so actually you kind of owe it everybody keep on it to everybody else to keep on working. can't be working. otherwise you can't be disappointed the services disappointed when the services and standards expect in and the standards you expect in later life are no longer there. you raise point, benedict. >> no one wants to work anymore . >> no one wants to work anymore. um, listen, diana, in this article by catherine mcbride , article by catherine mcbride, she says that the days of jobs for life in factories and offices where a person in their 50s seconds could work alongside someone in their 20s has gone . someone in their 20s has gone. so what's changed, do you think there's ageism in the workplace ? there's ageism in the workplace? >> i think it's totally changed from my time. and let's face it, for an employer , particularly for an employer, particularly the big organisations , means
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the big organisations, means contract work , which is contract work, which is basically what we're talking about. basically what we're talking about . it improves their about. it improves their finances . they can have the finances. they can have the people they're working as and when it's necessary, and the rest of the time, forget those people and or which is even worse when you think about some of the health organisations , of the health organisations, they then subcontract that work abroad, even even more. um you know, um, cheaper for, let's put it that way, the whole thing has changed. yeah it most definitely does. >> listen , diana, what are the >> listen, diana, what are the key selling points of older workers ? workers? >> first of all, they have experience . um well, i think experience. um well, i think that's it. i think that sums it up . well, i agree, i think up. well, i agree, i think experience, wisdom, life experience, wisdom, life experience , which is why we love experience, which is why we love having you on, uh, of course, diana. >> and we've got lots more to come from my top pundits in the
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next few minutes. now, earlier we asked you in a mark dolan tonight people's poll as a four year old boy is allowed to join a church of england primary school as a girl. educators school as a girl. have educators finally lost the plot? while the results are in and it's a landslide, 95.6% say yes. educators have lost the plot, 4.4% say no, and i've now got time to read this email. big reaction to my big opinion . and reaction to my big opinion. and this email is from joe. and i want to give it a proper crack of the whip because joe is a trans woman, so joe says, hi mark, i am a 56 year old trans woman. i'm not a woman. i do not use women spaces. at the age of four, even though i knew i was different to the other boys, i enjoyed my childhood , she goes enjoyed my childhood, she goes on. i dressed in girls on. yes, i dressed in girls clothes at home, but not anywhere else. and when i was old , i then explored my old enough, i then explored my true self. being was true self. being trans was a very private thing for me and shame on the parents for deluging the kids to think all of that stuff that kids are
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getting this information somewhere and the parents should be prosecuted for child abuse and for the schools behaviour as well . finally, a and for the schools behaviour as well. finally, a man is a man. a woman is a woman. stop all this cis nonsense. i have no illusions of being a woman. and that's from joe, who is a trans woman. balancing the debate. okay, folks, uh, coming up in my take at ten, bbc radio star jane's knocked . remember him jane's knocked. remember him from the today programme? well, he's had a go at gb news. he said he's worried about this place. and so should be. the place. and so he should be. the party is over for establishment media. won't go down media. but they won't go down without a fight. i'll be dealing without a fight. i'll be dealing with this big bbc star in no uncertain terms at 10:00, but first it is holocaust memorial day and in a mock meats special we will meet a remarkable holocaust survivor. it will bnng holocaust survivor. it will bring a tear to your eye. and that's
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next. on. bbc starjames naughtie is not happy with gb news. he says that it's a worrying development. i'll be dealing with him in my take at in 15 with him in my take at 10 in 15 minutes won't want to minutes time, you won't want to miss it's time for miss it, but it's time now for a very special and important mark meets today is holocaust memorial day, with events taking place across the world to acknowledge the slaughter of 6 million jews during the second world war. i spoke to holocaust survivor ivor perl, who, at the age of just 12, was taken along with the auschwitz with his family to the auschwitz concentration camp. he's written an about his an amazing book about his experience called chicken soup under the tree my journey to hell and back. and here he is in conversation earlier today , here conversation earlier today, here is ivor perl . ivor, after a is ivor perl. ivor, after a happy childhood in hungary, you and your family were transported to the auschwitz birkenau concentration camp . can you tell concentration camp. can you tell me about your first impressions on arrival in this hellish place? well first of all, surprisingly enough, it was after about 3 or 4 days of journey from the ghetto to the
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camp itself . camp itself. >> so by the time we arrived, the analysis, i think all of us were into into shocking state, to say the least . sick people, to say the least. sick people, dead people as well. and i remember just laying on the floor of the cattle truck looking through the crack and just having a terrible tummy ache, but it but because i speak yiddish and i speak yiddish because we're very, very religious. and the talmud was in yiddish, are people yiddish, so there are people there polish jews who there already, polish jews who only yiddish on the only spoke yiddish on the railway lines , shouting to to us railway lines, shouting to to us eat all the food and if children are ask their age, they must say they're 16 years. but . we they're 16 years. but. we obviously had no idea , no idea obviously had no idea, no idea whatsoever why . and what they whatsoever why. and what they did open up . when i looked did open up. when i looked outside this , the scene outside this, the scene confronted me was absolutely horrendous as i women and children, one side, um , able children, one side, um, able bodied men and young boys on the other and other than when other side and other than when we started moving , other side and other than when we started moving, i ran over to my mother to the ladies side because i wanted to be with my
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mum was 12 years old and she said, no, darling, go back to your brother . you. you're better your brother. you. you're better . off with him and that was the last time i saw my family. needless to say, there have been been with them. if they've gone with my mum, i would have been alive. >> can you tell me a bit about the pain you feel to this day? and how cope? and how you cope? >> this is a very good >> oh, this is a very good question. you're saying that the pain i feel today is so, so true. guarantee you that all true. i guarantee you that all these discussions i'll be having, especially at the holocaust memorial week and whatnot, will be very, very painful that we're not we're not none of us are telling stories from school or plays. we're living it all. and very, living through it all. and very, very rarely does a day go by without something or other connecting you to your life back home. either >> tell me about the experience of writing the book, and why you decided to put pen to paper. >> uh, as you know, i didn't have any education. well, practically hardly any
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education. my in—laws lived about 95 or 97, and i assume doomed being a gene genealogist that, you know, the daughter will also live a long time. but i won't live more than 70 years. so i thought i'll retire at 60 or 65, try to live a live life together . and that's what i or 65, try to live a live life together. and that's what i did. and of course, coming home and i went to the kitchen . my dear went to the kitchen. my dear wife was doing something very what the housewives do. and suddenly she said to me, darling, why are you under my feet all day long? why don't you go and do something useful? so i said, can i do? said, said, well, what can i do? said, you know, you've got a computer. nobody including your children , nobody including your children, don't know your story. and for 50 years i never spoke about it . 50 years i never spoke about it. i said, well, i can't spell jessica pewter. will check the world for you. i can't do this. i said, try it. i knew what i had to call the book. if ever i
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read a story about my life. and that's that. if you read about chicken soup under the tree. and as i started typing, literally, it's like an opening up, a tap . it's like an opening up, a tap. it just kept it kept on flowing out of me. but but i couldn't believe myself what i was writing. >> did it feel like you were writing about someone else's life ? life? >> no. i it wasn't supposed to be in a book. it was purely a few pages , a booklet for the few pages, a booklet for the family and friends, that's all. nothing else. what happened was he got a friend of mine, and he said, either you know, if you give me a few pictures and extended the book till after the war, i can make it into a booklet. i said, well, who wants to read it? who wants to read it? i mean, what can i what have idone it? i mean, what can i what have i done to something i done to read something different? anyway? he he persuaded me and i did that. and of course, a few years later i met nigel and she and he took this thing into a completely different direction .
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different direction. >> do you worry that as your generation passes on the horrors of the holocaust might be overlooked or even forgotten? >> you know, the question that you're asking is so , so you're asking is so, so relevant. and i'm so , so relevant. and i'm so, so desperate to ask , can you tell desperate to ask, can you tell me what the world has learned from it? >> either? if you look at the october the 7th attacks, it's as if the world has learned nothing. well i start off with my book. >> i said to them, listen, i'm telling you here my story, not politics. no, i mean, politics. i've got no, i mean, all i can say is i suffered myself that every side has got two sides to their story . myself that every side has got two sides to their story. i'm saying, including including the nazis, including the arabs, including the jews. i mean , including the jews. i mean, everybody's got two sides to the story. the problem is what happens is when it's taken beyond the just the normal discussions and whatnot . and if discussions and whatnot. and if you look around in the world like i ask, uh, you or any other reporter who are very, very much
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involved in all of it, you give me hope. >> that's why we offered a lot of coverage over around the october the 7th attacks. the biggest attack, of course, since the holocaust and anti—semitism is on the rise. unfortunately, history is repeating itself. but all we can do is tell your story . and that's why your account is so important. >> can i just say one something very, very, very important ? how very, very, very important? how many jews died during the war? >> 6 million. yes >> 6 million. yes >> let's say those who don't. those are anti—semitic. just say eight, 2 million. 3 million. five. and a half. 6 million people died . how many people people died. how many people died during the second world war? about 12 million, perhaps . war? about 12 million, perhaps. >> oh, no . >> oh, no. »- >> oh, no. >> people , 58 million people >> people, 58 million people died . and what i'm saying is died. and what i'm saying is that if you look into history every single time, jews have suffered, they were not the only people that suffered.
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>> most definitely, including, of course, millions of millions of course, millions of millions of russians either. this question for you is a difficult one to answer. your experience of auschwitz shaped your life , of auschwitz shaped your life, but how did it shape you , god but how did it shape you, god almighty ? almighty? >> never been asked that question before. well, do you know something? i feel i'm ashamed to say something now . i ashamed to say something now. i never felt hatred . but we were never felt hatred. but we were liberated in dachau by the americans in 1945. obviously they could commotion and the americans soldiers are bringing in ss guards who tried to escape . and everything they brought them back into the camp. lies are formed either side and the rumours go around. what's happening? there's a jeep coming in, bringing in five german ss. everybody started running, picking up stones and sticks , picking up stones and sticks, and i started running and then. and a, uh, chap next to me said, aren't you hungarian? i said, yes, said, you're jewish. i said, yes. he said, i'm not
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jewish. says, where did you stick? where did you stone? and he said, what for what? what should i do that for? i mean, aren't you going to throw the stone at him? at him? i says, no, what for? and i always had a guilty conscience saying to myself , am i guilty conscience saying to myself, am i right? or sort of. was i a coward or what? what was i? was i a coward or what? what was |7 why was i a coward or what? what was i? why didn't was i a coward or what? what was |7 why didn'ti was i a coward or what? what was i? why didn't i feel hatred? do you forgive the german soldiers and what they did to you and your family right now? which is better to forgive or to forget ? better to forgive or to forget? um what? may i ask you? what what do you think? what you would do ? i was asked to go to would do? i was asked to go to a there was a trial of an ss. i was asked to go to germany as a witness . i was asked to go to germany as a witness. i didn't was asked to go to germany as a witness . i didn't want to go. witness. i didn't want to go. but anyway , the i went over but anyway, the i went over there. it's on record. it's on there. it's on record. it's on the bbc as well. and as the guard who who was a guard at auschwitz on the hungarian jewry walked in there was one nurse either side of him with a zimmer
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frame and two lawyers. guess what was the first thought i felt ? felt? >> forgiveness . >> forgiveness. >> forgiveness. >> the hatred completely eroded from me. i said, look at that poor man . now can from me. i said, look at that poor man. now can i ask from me. i said, look at that poor man . now can i ask you, am poor man. now can i ask you, am i a coward for that or what? what >> look, either it's not for me to tell you how to think . i've to tell you how to think. i've not been in your shoes . not been in your shoes. >> i think the only thing i remember . i >> i think the only thing i remember. i don't know >> i think the only thing i remember . i don't know who >> i think the only thing i remember. i don't know who said that. the rabbi or something else. the trouble with hatred is , if you hate, you hurt yourself as well. yeah if you go about being, being hating, you hurt yourself . so if i was to being, being hating, you hurt yourself. so if i was to come in front of face to face with an ss soldier, i wouldn't kill him. no >> that was the remarkable holocaust survivor ivor perl, whose new book is out now. it's called chicken soup under the tree a journey to hell and back .
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tree a journey to hell and back. a remarkable guy with a remarkable message . a busy hour remarkable message. a busy hour to come. tomorrow's papers hot off the press with live reaction from tonight's top pundits. and you won't want to miss this in my take at ten, bbc radio four star james naughtie attacks gb starjames naughtie attacks gb news. he said he's worried about this place and so he should be. the party's over for establishment media. but they won't go down without a fight . won't go down without a fight. that's right. this guy is worried about gb news why is he worried? is he worried because we're giving you a voice that we challenge the prescribed narrow live on any number of issues, including brexit, our country's history , patriotism, you name it history, patriotism, you name it . we debate everything and we'll do that, do that in the next houn do that, do that in the next hour. but do not miss my take at ten. that is. next. you're watching mark dolan tonight. >> that feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hello there i welcome to your >> hello there! welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast .
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latest gb news weather forecast. i'm craig snell. we're looking ahead to sunday. for most of us it's going to be a very mild. there will wet and windy there will be some wet and windy weather. across the weather. however across the north. so the reason for the mild conditions is we're dragging some very mild dragging in some very mild air from portugal from parts of spain and portugal , and that will really move right across the country as we go through the course of sunday. back the rest of saturday. back to the rest of saturday. and for many parts of england and going to be and wales is going to be a fairly dry night with the clearest skies over clearest of the skies over towards the east. scotland and northern plenty northern ireland seeing plenty of . and that cloud will be of cloud. and that cloud will be thick in places to thick enough in places to produce spots of rain, but produce some spots of rain, but mild clear mild here. but under the clear skies. further east we will see a touch of frost. but bright a touch of frost. but a bright start for the east as we start sunday morning. elsewhere are plenty of cloud and again there will some spots of rain will be some spots of rain and drizzle around, but cloud drizzle around, but the cloud will to break up across will tend to break up across many areas, so a bright afternoon sunny afternoon with some sunny spells, but later on start to spells, but later on we start to see of rain move in see this band of rain move in across parts of northern ireland and western scotland, accompanied by some very strong winds. as we move into the
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winds. here, as we move into the afternoon. but in the sunshine, very mild for the time of year, could see highs reaching 15 to 16 degrees and to monday we really the country is split into half this band of rain. if half by this band of rain. so if you under here it'll be you stuck under here it'll be quite a cold and wet day to the north it, cooler, blustery north of it, cooler, blustery showers south it. showers to the south of it. remaining rather cloudy remaining mild but rather cloudy into part of the into the middle part of the week. remains changeable week. it remains changeable temperatures week. it remains changeable temper be res week. it remains changeable temper be for the time of year. should be for the time of year. >> looks like things are heating up. spot chances of up. boxt boilers spot chances of weather on gb news as
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said he's worried about this place and so he should be the party's over for establishment media. but they won't go down without a fight. i'll be dealing without a fight. i'll be dealing with this bbc star in no uncertain terms , as donald trump uncertain terms, as donald trump is ordered to pay $80 million after losing a court case, has his race for the presidency hit the rocks, and will he run out of money? plus, we'll get the latest on princess katherine and king charles's health scares, all in the company of the queen of us. showbiz royal and political reporting. kinsey schofield. plus tomorrow's newspaper front pages and live reaction in the studio from tonight's top pundits, a packed show, lots to get through. i'll be dealing with one of the biggest stars of bbc radio show who doesn't like gb news. but first, someone i like a lot . our first, someone i like a lot. our newsreader sophia wenzler. >> thanks, mark. good evening, i'm sofia wenzler in the gb
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newsroom , the business and trade newsroom, the business and trade secretary says there's a need for a new leadership at the post office as the outgoing chairman steps down the government announced henry staunton and kemi badenoch agreed to part ways with mutual consent. it's after the post office has come under fire over its handling of the horizon. it scandal. government officials say an interim will be appointed shortly, and a recruitment process for a new chair will be launched in due course , in launched in due course, in accordance with the governance code public appointments , a code for public appointments, a un agency chief has said. he shocked the uk's pausing funding for the united nations gaza aid group following allegations that staff participated in the october 7th attacks. the uk is suspending any future funding , suspending any future funding, as are finland, the us, italy , as are finland, the us, italy, australia and canada. following a review, commissioner general philippe lazzarini said these decisions threaten our ongoing humanity work across the region , humanity work across the region, including and especially in the gaza strip. a spokesperson for the foreign office says we
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remain committed to getting humanitarian aid to the people in gaza who desperately need it . in gaza who desperately need it. a fire in a four storey building near liverpool city centre is no longer considered a major incident. that's according to firefighters. earlier smoke could be seen across the merseyside skyline in merseyside fire and rescue service say successful firefighting tactics have resulted in the fire being greatly reduced. the incident has been scaled down and locals who were evacuated earlier are now being allowed to return to their homes . now being allowed to return to their homes. in other now being allowed to return to their homes . in other news, their homes. in other news, queen camilla has visited the king in hospital as he recovers from a procedure for an enlarged prostate. the king is resting at the london clinic for a second day after receiving the treatment. buckingham palace say he's . it's same he's doing well. it's the same hospital the princess of hospital where the princess of wales is being cared for, following abdominal surgery. charles ella's former butler, grant harrold, told gb news the british public's response to the royal health scares shows how much they care . much they care. >> he always said he was a
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centric. he was all fashioned out of touch. i never saw that when i worked for him and i think that's what public are think that's what the public are getting and that's where getting to see and that's where there's affection. so the there's this affection. so the fact that he having this fact that he is having this procedure, obviously public procedure, obviously the public want kind them know want to kind of let them know that thinking of them. that they're thinking of them. and princess of and the same with princess of wales. understand been wales. i understand there's been many, many, many letters and cards wishing her cards sent to her wishing her the best of health. >> scotland's first minister has made urgent plea to unite made an urgent plea to unite against hate on the occasion of the holocaust memorial day in a video posted on ex humza yousaf says together remember the says together we remember the millions cut short with millions of lives cut short with the utmost cruelty and brutality, arcs across brutality, landing arcs across the uk have glowed purple to mark holocaust memorial day . mark holocaust memorial day. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on your digital radio and . on your smart speaker radio and. on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to . mark thanks to my good back to. mark thanks to my good friend sophia wenzler, who
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returns in an hour's time. >> welcome to a busy mark dolan tonight as donald trump is ordered to pay $80 million after losing a court case, will he run out of money and has his race for the presidency hit the rocks? also, the latest on princess catherine and king charles in hospital, all in the company of the queen us company of the queen of us showbiz , royal and political showbiz, royal and political reporting kinsey schofield. we've got tomorrow's we've also got tomorrow's newspaper front pages and live reaction in the studio from tonight's top pundits. this evening, journalist and model diana moran, political commentator benedict spence and tv personality and broadcaster precious muir. plus, tv personality and broadcaster precious muir . plus, they'll be precious muir. plus, they'll be nominating their headline heroes and back page zeroes . a busy and back page zeroes. a busy hour to come. you're watching mark dolan tonight saying true things out loud, and we start with my take at ten. here we go again. another member of the privileged , pampered media elite
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privileged, pampered media elite having a pop at gb news james naughtie, a presenter on the licence fee funded bbc radio four and express presenter of the morning breakfast show the today programme, has said the arrival of news channels like gb news in the uk is a worrying development . speaking to roger development. speaking to roger boltons beeb watch podcast, the star said i think anybody who looks at what's happening in the states, if they do care about the free flow of information and proper debates, would have to be worried about it . now proper debates, would have to be worried about it. now he's conceded that comparing gb news to the ultra partisan fox news in america is not entirely fair. he said we're not in that situation yet, but went on to suggest that the broadcast regulator ofcom , has been given regulator ofcom, has been given the biggest problem it's ever faced. curious . isn't it, how faced. curious. isn't it, how these figures from establishment media see channels like gb news as a problem ? why would that be? as a problem? why would that be? could it be that we challenge
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the prescribed narrative found everywhere else , whether it's on everywhere else, whether it's on immigration, brexit, the economy, our nations history, covid policies, race relations, trans ideology and so—called wokeism gb news isn't a problem. it's a solution. by airing the concerns . tens of it's a solution. by airing the concerns. tens of millions of brits who are not happy about the direction of the country concerns other broadcasters seem reluctant to address. now. james nocti is a colossal talent and i always enjoyed listening to him on the today programme and it's therefore disappointing to hear an esteemed journalist be concerned about the rise of more media outlets. perhaps he should ask himself why the today programme on radio four has lost millions of listeners in the last few years , as his comments last few years, as his comments this week remind me of that moment last year when former sky news star adam boulton called for this place to be shut down in a debate on news night that interestingly featured . no one
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interestingly featured. no one on defending the channel. sounds pretty partisan to me. pretty worrying. boulton talked about protecting the delicate ecosystem of broadcasting and in my view , what he means by that my view, what he means by that is protect the status quo. what about our dear, beloved bbc, who pay about our dear, beloved bbc, who pay their fat cat talent and management millions of pounds a yean management millions of pounds a year, funded by old ladies who are threatened with jail if they don't cough up the cash just to keep gary lineker in gold cufflinks . the beeb have been cufflinks. the beeb have been accused at the covid inquiry this week of misrepresenting the threat of the covid 19 virus in order to support lockdowns. professor mark woolhouse, government adviser and top epidemiologist, railed against the corporation for treating deaths among younger, healthier people as the norm . they were people as the norm. they were not, he argues that the bbc characterised covid as indiscriminate. it . was not. i indiscriminate. it. was not. i wonder how that one slipped past
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bbc verify the most egregiously, if professor woolhouse is right that the beeb's reporting of covid helped support for the case for lockdowns, then the national state broadcaster is in part culpable for the extraordinary damage this extraordinary damage to this country that these debateable measures . to measures have seen. to paraphrase mr nocti , that sounds paraphrase mr nocti, that sounds pretty worrying to me . if pretty worrying to me. if woolhouse is right, the beeb should not have been selling a policy which has led to a destroyed economy, a mental health tsunami, an nhs waiting list of 8 million people and a generation of damaged kids. so bbc radio legend james naughtie is worried about gb news well, he's right to be because we're not going anywhere and we're growing . why? because we do growing. why? because we do things differently. we challenge narratives , we question the narratives, we question the status quo and we give you a voice . s now ofcom, the voice. s now ofcom, the broadcast regulator, is investigating several impartiality complaints against gb news as we speak. and so they
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should if we cross the line and if we got things wrong, we must face the consequences and we must learn from it. the work of ofcom is critical in maintaining the integrity and trustworthiness of uk broadcasting, and from our very inception, we always chose to be ofcom regulated , but not. he ofcom regulated, but not. he implies that this place is routinely under balanced. he implies that we are , quote, implies that we are, quote, pulling the wool over the eyes of the population at large , of the population at large, which i think makes you sound pretty thick, don't you think ? pretty thick, don't you think? and he spoke of a political discussion on the channel with four people, all of whom have the same view. when all that more or less happened on newsnight , right when they newsnight, right when they debated this place . but anyone debated this place. but anyone that's watched gb news for more than 11 seconds will know that we normally have opposing voices and this programme in particular, mark dolan tonight is the home of diverse opinion and famous for the presenter regularly getting a kicking from
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his own guests , which is how his own guests, which is how i like it . this his own guests, which is how i like it. this iconic his own guests, which is how i like it . this iconic bbc his own guests, which is how i like it. this iconic bbc star says he's worried about gb news and so he should be the party's over for establishment media. but they won't go down without a fight. i'm a big james fight. i'm a big fan of james naughtie, but this occasion naughtie, but on this occasion he's naughty boy. in he's been a very naughty boy. in fact, to put him fact, i'd be inclined to put him on the naughty step . now the bbc on the naughty step. now the bbc will argue that during the pandemic they simply shared information, advice and data about the pandemic, which came exclusively from the government and their senior medical and scientific advisers , including scientific advisers, including sage, and does james naughtie have a point about that? opinion led broadcasting ? bbc presenters led broadcasting? bbc presenters make every effort to be neutral. it's clear that gb news presenters like me, do not. i'm employed to have an opinion. does gb news risk creating the divisive political discourse that we see in the united
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states? is gb news unbalanced? it's all about opinions. what's yours mark at gbnews.com but first let's hear from my top punst first let's hear from my top pundits , journalist and model. pundits, journalist and model. the green goddess herself diana moran. political commentator. the white goddess benedict spence and top tv personality and broadcaster . a very good and broadcaster. a very good friend of mine, an old friend of mine, precious muir. benedict. let me start with you. has james knocked? got about gb news >> i think he's got a point. if you want to say about gb news or about the of opinion news about the rise of opinion news broadcasting in general, actually , yes, i think he does actually, yes, i think he does have a point. now i'll get to gb news in a second. but actually, you know, you highlighted a couple of examples in your monologue do bbc monologue to do with the bbc itself, be it newsnight or be it radio tune into radio four. if you tune into radio four. if you tune into radio notice radio four, you'll notice actually awful lot actually that an awful lot of its very much slanted actually that an awful lot of itsa very much slanted actually that an awful lot of itsa way very much slanted actually that an awful lot of itsa way that iery much slanted actually that an awful lot of itsa way that ity much slanted actually that an awful lot of itsa way that it didn'th slanted actually that an awful lot of itsa way that it didn't usedited actually that an awful lot of itsa way that it didn't used to.i in a way that it didn't used to. you know, things like newsnight in a way that it didn't used to. you thew, things like newsnight in a way that it didn't used to. you the today|gs like newsnight in a way that it didn't used to. you the today programme snight in a way that it didn't used to. you the today programme usedt in a way that it didn't used to. you the today programme used to and the today programme used to be essential, uh, broadcast, uh, content . i be essential, uh, broadcast, uh, content. i don't they be essential, uh, broadcast, uh, content . i don't they are content. i don't think they are anymore. that's reflect anymore. that's, that's reflect in the drop in viewership and listenership for both of those
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shows. it has become very slanted . the rise of gb news in slanted. the rise of gb news in of itself shows, actually that that there is a more, more of a desire for things that are opinionated and slanted in one way the other. the bbc has way or the other. the bbc has fallen into that for very fallen into that trap for a very long news long time. channel 4 news occupied and was able to occupied that and was able to get away with it with absolutely no but if going no pushback. but if we're going to that about things on the to say that about things on the left, to say same left, we have to say the same things channels things about channels that perhaps slant slightly to the right as well. and i think one of things that gb news does of the things that gb news does that particularly feel, that i don't particularly feel, uh, about is uh, particularly good about is the that you have the fact that you have conservative hosting shows conservative mps hosting shows at when they themselves at a time when they themselves are sitting there saying the state apart, things state is falling apart, things aren't and of state is falling apart, things are here and of state is falling apart, things arehere and and of state is falling apart, things arehere and i and of state is falling apart, things arehere and i think of state is falling apart, things arehere and i think to of state is falling apart, things arehere and i think to myself, sit here and i think to myself, well, on earth should i be well, why on earth should i be listening to your opinion when you ought be in the houses you ought to be in the houses of parliament dealing these parliament dealing with these things? something parliament dealing with these thingl.? something parliament dealing with these thing! feel something parliament dealing with these thing! feel rather something parliament dealing with these thingi feel rather strongly|ing that i feel rather strongly shouldn't be happening. >> um, you mentioned there, benedict, >> um, you mentioned there, byslant,t, political slant on, a slant, a political slant on, on newsnight. a slant, a political slant on, on newsnight . and perhaps on on newsnight. and perhaps on channel 4 news. what would that slant be? would that be a left
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leaning slant? i mean, it's difficult to say if it's specifically left. >> i think it's interesting. we talked show about talked earlier in the show about wokeness, radio wokeness, certainly on radio four, is this sort of four, there is this sort of elevation of wokeness. i wouldn't necessarily was wouldn't necessarily say it was left 4 news, left wing on channel 4 news, though so. uh, i think though very much so. uh, i think for time , nobody for a very long time, nobody could deny that there was a left , a left slant to a lot , a left wing slant to a lot of its reporting to the topics that its reporting to the topics that it chooses to cover. and therein, think you have therein, i think you also have an is a new an issue, which is that a new station can be objective in terms of picking up on a news story, but if it only chooses to sort cover certain things sort of cover certain things that well, is that interest it, well, that is a slant by definition. and i think that that is very damaging to an environment where if you tune in to only channel 4 or only gb news or whoever else it might be, you're only getting one side the story and other one side of the story and other stories are lost to you because the channel decides that's not in political interests to in its political interests to cover that particular of coui'se. >> course. >> radio four, channel 4 news and newsnight would argue they work hard to make work vociferously hard to make sure is balanced. sure their output is balanced. um, precious . what do you think
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um, precious. what do you think about gb news? is it unbalanced? is james naughtie this bbc star right that the arrival of gb news is worrying . news is worrying. >> no it's, it's gb news is doing the right thing. it's giving you a diverse panel right here. i mean this is what is happening here on this platform. and i believe that bbc is stuck in the old times of, of delivering news and the headunes delivering news and the headlines because they are losing. there is no young people watching the bbc. i'm telling you that for now, like that is a guaranteed fact that nobody's going under the age of 30 to watch the bbc for their news, because that's just not how we watch the news anymore. we want to hear . the watch the news anymore. we want to hear. the real watch the news anymore. we want to hear . the real stuff, the to hear. the real stuff, the stuff that's actually happening and not just on one side or being like not having an opinion is not giving the right information to young people . and information to young people. and i think that the bbc needs to get out of the old school mentality and get into the real world, and that is what gb news
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is doing, and it provides that information young people, information to young people, old people, between. people, everyone in between. and that why channel is good that is why this channel is good and i believe that is doing the right thing. am i able to come back on just very briefly, i think that it's interesting that you that the bbc isn't you point out that the bbc isn't where young people are where a lot of young people are getting content, getting their content, because they stuff. they want the real stuff. >> it that they're >> where is it that they're going? they're necessarily going? they're not necessarily going? they're not necessarily going or 4 or going to gb news or channel 4 or anybody lot of them are anybody else. a lot of them are going to social media. they're going to social media. they're going and there is far going to tiktok and there is far less lot less you know, there's a lot of stuff news that goes to stuff on gb news that goes to tiktok. a there is tiktok. there is a there is a lot rubbish. there is lot lot of rubbish. there is a lot of rubbish on tiktok, which let's let's remember let's be, let's, let's remember what is. it is a product what tiktok is. it is a product that marketed by a chinese that is marketed by a chinese company links company that has direct links not the chinese not just to the chinese government, chinese government, but to the chinese military well, and banned military as well, and is banned in country. and it peddles in that country. and it peddles and all kinds lies and in that country. and it peddles and see all kinds lies and in that country. and it peddles and see factually lies and in that country. and it peddles and see {actually in lies and in that country. and it peddles and see {actually in the and you see this actually in the coverage like the bbc coverage of things like the bbc will never say anything in regards that because they're impartial. >> never on the bbc. >> but what's your point? >> but what's your point? >> so my point is that one at a time you don't you don't go time you don't go, you don't go to bbc anymore. to the bbc anymore. >> that. what's your
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>> you repeat that. what's your point? no no. >> my point. people >> but that's my point. people don't to bbc because they don't go to the bbc because they don't go to the bbc because they don't truth. they don't don't want the truth. they don't want they want their don't want the truth. they don't wantopinions they want their don't want the truth. they don't wantopinions theyvalidated. own opinions to be validated. that's things that's why they go to things like instagram. and like tiktok or instagram. and i fear that that is what channels, including some bbc but including some at the bbc but elsewhere, might pandering elsewhere, might be pandering to. that that's very dangerous. >> diana moran. this is james, dangerous. >> a ana moran. this is james, dangerous. >> a ana staran. this is james, dangerous. >> a ana staran. radio is james, dangerous. >> a ana staran. radio four. nes, dangerous. >> a ana staran.radio four. he. not a big star of radio four. he used to present the today programme, a great broadcaster. you beeb for many you were on the beeb for many years. do you think gb news is a worrying development? this is what just going say. what i was just going to say. >> i owe a great deal to the bbc, be they set me up and they've made my career for me , they've made my career for me, so i've got to be very careful here. but i think gb news is wonderful because , because we wonderful because, because we can say what we feel without worrying that we're upsetting the organisation . um, the only the organisation. um, the only thing that worries me about gb news is, is it financially sound? you've got itv and those other programmes with masses and
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masses of advertising. you've got the bbc with their, um, their fee , the little old ladies their fee, the little old ladies paying their fee, the little old ladies paying their money that you've just alluded to. so i just hope and pray that the finances of gb news are strong enough because we love it and everybody is able to say what they really feel. >> there you go. well, what do you really feel folks? is gb news a worrying development for britain? mark at gb news. com um the next up donald trump has been ordered to pay $80 million after losing a court case. has he got the money? can he pay it and has his for race the presidency hit the rocks? we'll debate that with top us correspondent kinsey schofield next, plus more on the royal health drama . what's the latest health drama. what's the latest on catherine and charles? we'll bnng on catherine and charles? we'll bring you that
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to gb news radio. >> okay, folks, welcome back. we've got the papers at 1030 sharp with full pundit reaction, but it's time now for us news with the queen of american showbiz, royal and political reporting. kinsey schofield kinsey. lovely to see you . i kinsey. lovely to see you. i hope you've had a good week, a better week than donald trump, who is odds on now to win the nomination for the republicans to run for the republicans as president in the primaries. but he's got some financial problems. tell me more . problems. tell me more. >> that's right. former president donald trump said on friday that he plans to appeal a new york jury's $83.3 million verdict for defaming writer e jean carroll, verdict for defaming writer e jean carroll , who accused verdict for defaming writer e jean carroll, who accused him of sexual assault decades ago. shortly after the announcement, trump posted on truth social our legal system is out of control and being used as a political weapon . this is not the first weapon. this is not the first time that carol has taken trump to court and won. she originally won a $5 million verdict last year after a jury found trump liable for an assault and
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defaming her over a different statement. trump believes this is an example of the government taking away all first amendment rights and he says this is not america to, uh, mark, you know that this is one of several court cases for the presidential republican nominee, frontrunner for he is also facing 91 felony counts across federal charges in washington , dc and florida. and washington, dc and florida. and state charges in new york and georgia. all charges and cases seemingly ignite the enthusiasm that surrounds this candidate . that surrounds this candidate. >> well, kinsey, we're going live now to las vegas for live pictures of donald trump. and there he is canvassing for support . team trump is the support. team trump is the lettering behind him. and uh, thatis lettering behind him. and uh, that is donald trump. who would like to be our the us president in november . like to be our the us president in november. he's going to be the official republican candidate. but what about this bill of $83 million? has he got
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that kind of money to spend . that kind of money to spend. >> i mean , i love you, but >> i mean, i love you, but i should correct you. he's not officially the republican candidate yet, although he looks like he's got a pretty strong grip on everything. but nikki, nikki haley is the devil on my shoulder telling you i should. i shoulder telling you i should. i should make sure you know that she's in the race. of she's still in the race. of course. um, you know, i he's going continue to fight that course. um, you know, i he's goinyobviouslyiue to fight that course. um, you know, i he's goinyobviously he's) fight that course. um, you know, i he's goinyobviously he's going that course. um, you know, i he's goinyobviously he's going to at bill. obviously he's going to appeal. is not a situation appeal. this is not a situation where he has to take to write a check tomorrow. additionally you know, it's my thought process that this he does have such a fierce and loyal following that he throw up one campaign he could throw up one campaign or one fundraiser website and, and god knows how much money he could raise to take care of something like this. so i think he's going to continue to fight it. the . money there's not like it. the. money there's not like a deadline on it that it's due next week. his focus is this presidential race and that's what he's going to continue to make his priority. >> now kinsey, these are live
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pictures from las vegas. he's making his case to be the next us he wants to save us president. he wants to save america . what are your america. what are your impressions of his body language here live pictures , here with these live pictures, as you've been and as you've been watching and observing donald trump for many years, including his four years observing donald trump for many ye the including his four years observing donald trump for many ye the whiteing his four years observing donald trump for many ye the white house four years observing donald trump for many ye the white house what years observing donald trump for many ye the white house what are s observing donald trump for many ye the white house what are your in the white house what are your impressions of this latest appearance ? appearance? >> well, i. covered the 2016 campaign and always enjoyed his his, you know, his campaign events because he has so much personality . and you never knew personality. and you never knew what he was going to say off the cuff. he got himself in trouble so many times because he's just there's some authenticity there that, as we've seen lately , gets that, as we've seen lately, gets him a lot of trouble. so him into a lot of trouble. so i think he looks confident. he looks confident in looks as confident as he did in 2016. you know, like i said 2016. and you know, like i said before, i feel like his entire priority is winning the white house >> indeed. house >>indeed.and house >> indeed. and here is his potential opponent . if he wins potential opponent. if he wins the nomination . here is the
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the nomination. here is the leader of the free world in succinct form. as always, kinsey i >> -- >> the beer brewed here in is used to make the brew beer. here in this refinery. used to make the brew beer. here in this refinery . oh, arthritis. in this refinery. oh, arthritis. thanks for the great lakes. i wonder what it's going . wonder what it's going. >> i don't know if they're laughing with him or at him. and i think he drank too much of that beer. but americans are used to these moments. it happens day now, doesn't it? >> yes. that's right, social media, know, having laugh media, you know, having a laugh at particular biden moment, at this particular biden moment, this happened on thursday after he made a series of bizarre statements during a campaign speech at earth rider brewery in supenon speech at earth rider brewery in superior, wisconsin . i mean, i superior, wisconsin. i mean, i tried to practice saying this for you, but i don't even think i think i'd need 3 or 4 beers to even re re re—enact that , uh, even re re re—enact that, uh, that sentence, fox news described it as unintelligible . described it as unintelligible. um, and president, you know, president trump's campaign taking advantage of that moment, tweeting cognitively impaired
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joe biden, juanita . broderick joe biden, juanita. broderick i don't know if you remember her, but she was famous for accusing former president trump of rape. she commented on biden's remarks because she's become big because she's become a big conservative commentator as well, saying joe is unwell. >> most definitely she, in spite of their challenges , joe biden's of their challenges, joe biden's health challenges donald trump's legal challenges in getting past nikki haley. do you think it will be trump versus biden in november ? november? >> i do think it will be trump versus biden and i and i almost wonder if people are going to sit this one out because it's such an unappealing , uh, you such an unappealing, uh, you know, rematch . it's not know, rematch. it's not something that anyone's excited about either candidate. and there's a really good new book out called amateur hour about kamala harris that talks about how the bidens didn't even necessarily want the white house and maybe didn't even want to run again this time. but there's just so much animosity between vp kamala harris and the biden
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family that they run just to spite her. so i enjoy the gossip in me. really enjoyed that part of amateur hour, this this brand new book that's out, i believe it's by somebody that writes for the spectator . the spectator. >> uh, kinsey. no time for catherine and charles, but i think you'll agree. we both wish them a speedy recovery , and we them a speedy recovery, and we look forward to catching up with you time. you in a week's time. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> the brilliant kinsey schofield . check out her website schofield. check out her website to die for daily.com. we've got the papers next. don't go anywhere
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>> you're listening. to gb news radio . radio. >> it is 1030, so it's time now for tomorrow's front pages . i'd for tomorrow's front pages. i'd like to thank our director, josh , for giving me that couple of seconds for the cheeky wink. and here is the sunday express. rishi targets saga voters to win the election pm reaches out to
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the election pm reaches out to the 26 million over 50s, saying i'm on your side. a shocking rise in middle aged people still struggling to get on the housing ladder and smiling queen camilla's three hour hospital visit to . king charles. okay, visit to. king charles. okay, the mail now world exclusive rainforest families claim years of abuse at the hands of guards who work for conservation body . who work for conservation body. that prince harry is a director of. they've begged him to intervene. harry's africa charity rangers raped and beat tribespeople is the allegation in the mail on sunday. telegraph uk warships lack missiles to take out houthi bases. uk warships lack missiles to take out houthi bases . queen take out houthi bases. queen camilla returns to king's bedside. she visited him in hospital. she thinks she brings him a bottle of lucozade. maybe. great apps. do you still do that in hospital? >> oh, grapes. >> oh, grapes. >> bag of grapes has got to be done. and a copy of the sunday express. uh physician, even if
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it's sunday. physician often it's not sunday. physician often associates of illegally associates accused of illegally prescribing on prescribing drugs. act now on extremist doctors . the general extremist doctors. the general medical council told and kemi badenoch ousts the chairman of the office sunday mirror. the post office sunday mirror. young sorry voting watchdogs warning voting watchdogs warning tories are rigging rules on election. the tories have been accused of changing the rules . accused of changing the rules. to boost their votes at the general election. the independent electoral commission slammed attempts to reform it. compare a compare the proposals to a cricket team telling the umpire how to the rules of the how to enforce the rules of the game . the observer rwandans get game. the observer rwandans get asylum in uk over their fear of persecution for rwandans were granted refugee status in britain over well—founded . fears britain over well—founded. fears of persecution. at the same time as the government was arguing in court that parliament in parliament court that the parliament and in court that the east country is a safe east african country is a safe place for asylum seekers, freezing un aid to gaza will worsen crisis is the other story and hidden images of the holocaust today is holocaust
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memorial day daily star sunday, forsooth. it's another ripping yarn from the daily star sunday, wherefore thou? macbeth actor in fear of fans. odumosu foul actors performing as shakespeare play actors performing as shakespeare play kept being rudely interrupted by a mysterious noise caused by members of the audience passing wind. what a smelly business that is! oh my god , there you go folks. those god, there you go folks. those are your front pages . let's get are your front pages. let's get reaction from my top pundits tonight. journalist, model and the goddess herself, the green goddess herself, dressed green tonight, diana dressed in green tonight, diana moran, the top political commentator. benedict spence and tv personality and broadcaster precious muir. lots of stories to sink our teeth into . i'm to sink our teeth into. i'm quite interested in this one. precious rishi sunak targets saga voters . to win the next saga voters. to win the next election pm reaches out to the 26 million over 50, saying i'm on your side as a young person . on your side as a young person. how do you feel about that? >> i think that is actually quite that trying to do
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quite sad that he's trying to do whatever now to just, you whatever he can now to just, you know, salvage what he possibly thinks his next thinks could be his next election. i guess he's trying to do everything. but then i think you're like now segregating or stopping the young people wanting to vote. if you're now saying that you're only looking to support the over 50s, i think it's wrong . it's wrong. >> of course, rishi sunak is not stupid, is he? benedict spence? because our ageing population over 50 is a big political constituent . constituent. >> he yeah votes much more regularly and much greater numbers than younger people do. younger generations are going to vote for labour anyway on average. you know, they are the cohort that feels most sort of let down by the conservatives. um i think precious is right that this is rather sad because actually there does need to be addressing the issues that do face younger people , be it the face younger people, be it the jobs market, be it housing, be it their own ability to have children, these are actually more pressing than the well—being of people in their 50s. but future. but the 50
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people who are over 50 are the ones who are more likely to vote conservative. and those are therefore are the ones that he's going after because that going to go after because that is constituency, speak. >> i mean, is this good politics? diana moran targeting individual groups? >> so totally confused individual groups? >> it so totally confused individual groups? >> it at so totally confused individual groups? >> it at so �*minute.onfused individual groups? >> it at so “minute. um,;ed individual groups? >> it at so “minute. um, i'm by it all at the minute. um, i'm waiting see good results and waiting to see good results and i'm not seeing good results . i'm i'm not seeing good results. i'm looking at the alternative . oh, looking at the alternative. oh, see, i'm not sure about the alternative either . um, see, i'm not sure about the alternative either. um, i'm really confused . really confused. >> and do you think that there are many over 50s who are politically homeless now? >> so many of them are. >> oh, so many of them are. which is tragic. really tragic . which is tragic. really tragic. >> and why are labour not the answer for many older voters . answer for many older voters. i mean, what worries you about labour because the labour government is likely coming ? government is likely coming? ang, what are your concerns? >> possible leader . and >> it's possible leader. and what don't you like about keir starmer? >> because of course the party would argue he's done a great job. he's rid the party of
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anti—semitism, he's made them electable again. they're ahead in polls beginning. in the polls at the beginning. >> a lot >> i liked him a lot and i thought where my vote is thought that's where my vote is going. but as this year's gone on and all the backbiting that he's done with rishi. rishi as well, i really am . not sure. well, i really am. not sure. i am genuinely confused about all the parties . the parties. >> and do you think the leader matters? are you concerned about the character of the leader or do on the party? do you focus on the party? >> i suppose want good >> i suppose i want a good character there as the figurehead, of course it's figurehead, but of course it's who's behind in the big pool. behind that is the most important. >> well, there you go. i mean, is that the twist in the tale for benedict spence, the for labour? benedict spence, the kia had the kia starmer factor? we had the conservatives internal polling suggesting that there's still no great fondness for keir starmer out there, notwithstanding labour's lead. >> i think that's true , that >> i think that's true, that keir starmer has done a wonderful job of not expressing any kind of personality whatsoever, which, given how his predecessor fared, is probably a wise move, frankly, to let people know as little about you as possible. i think that
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actually that is what's actually the that is what's helping ultimately , is that helping him ultimately, is that he's saying nothing controversial whatsoever. the sting might be as labour get closer to potentially taking the reins. do you backbenchers, members of various factions, think, well, we can start to get away with things? i mean, we've seen quite a lot with sadiq khan. arm a lot khan. he chances his arm a lot more feels safer khan. he chances his arm a lot more his feels safer khan. he chances his arm a lot more his own feels safer khan. he chances his arm a lot more his own voting.; safer khan. he chances his arm a lot more his own voting. uhfer about his own voting. uh constituency. he can say things that perhaps the labour leader can't away with, but can't get away with, but equally, seeing i equally, we're seeing this. i think certain of the think in certain parts of the country when it comes that. country when it comes to that. um uh , it's ethno religious um uh, it's ethno religious divide. we're seeing a lot more. what is motivating labour members and labour voters or potential voters is the stance on things like israel—palestine and the things like votes for certain minority groups that is going to cause real issues down the line. if the party decides to make it a sort of a cornerstone of policy. if for example, you know, the party puts pressure on keir starmer to take a definitive stance on gaza thatis take a definitive stance on gaza that is different than what he
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actually likes, that could lead to real issues the line for to real issues down the line for a of moderate people who a lot of moderate people who actually sit there and go, do you i'm not okay with you know what? i'm not okay with this this isn't that this. this isn't something that i particularly i feel is particularly important. the nhs important. i care about the nhs and the state the economy . and the state of the economy. why is the party pushing this as sort of, sort of a major issue? well, there are many activists who really care a lot about it. >> well, that's right, i think the labour movement are on their best moment. the labour movement are on their best order moment. the labour movement are on their best order to moment. the labour movement are on their best order to win moment. the labour movement are on their best order to win power. nt. the labour movement are on their best order to win power. but yeah. in order to win power. but i think once keir starmer is prime minister, muir, prime minister, precious muir, i think bets are off and think all bets are off and i think all bets are off and i think that he'll have a bit of trouble the troops, trouble rallying the troops, i think obviously think so, i mean, he's obviously selling right now, so selling the dream right now, so he's the things to stay he's saying the things to stay in line make he gets the voters. >> um, you know, the issue is obviously the younger obviously for the younger people as not be able as well. they might not be able to vote because they don't have identification on. i mean, that's biggest things that's one of the biggest things as know, it's quite as well. so you know, it's quite difficult to say where it's going to go because the conservative have the conservative party do have the over 50s voting for them , like over 50s voting for them, like you said. um, but i know the younger generation should be voting because they are the
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future . future. >> they most certainly are the future they are. >> it sounds like you're going to into bit of michael jackson. >> they are. >> they are. >> they are. >> they most definitely are. let's look at the observer. if we can precious that rwandans get asylum in the uk over their fear of persecution. this is not good news for those behind the rwanda plan. if rwandans are coming here. yeah, to claim asylum, then that dilutes the argument that rwanda is safe for asylum seekers. >> well, my concern about that whole thing is that many ? whole thing is that how many? it's such a short, like a small number, isn't it? it's a very small number that we're they're processing at the moment. is it not like 80 people or something or. well, it's a very small number. yeah. >> the rwanda. it's never going to be the case that tens of thousands of people will be shipped to rwanda. >> i think the idea of it is that when flights start to go right, be a decent right, that will be a decent incentive to those considering paying incentive to those considering paying money to cross the channel. the idea, is the channel. that's the idea, is the opfics channel. that's the idea, is the optics of those flights. yeah. does rwanda plan?
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does this sink the rwanda plan? diana moran. this idea that rwandans are coming to here claim asylum? >> it's very confusing. >> it's very confusing. >> it's very confusing. >> it doesn't make sense. >> it doesn't make sense. >> very confusing. but as you say, the sending the others to rwanda is sending a message to those waiting to get into the boats to say, don't do it, don't do it. >> this is a problem for rishi sunak because he's staked his political reputation on stopping the rwanda plan. the boats and the rwanda plan. benedict it is an issue because he's staked his reputation it he's staked his reputation on it and not going to work. and it's not going to work. >> the numbers of >> you know, the numbers of people that would being people that would end up being sent if the bill goes sent to rwanda if the bill goes aheadis sent to rwanda if the bill goes ahead is so negligible compared to the number people that to the number of people that come they just come here anyway, they will just sort oh, well, sort of shrug and go, oh, well, i'll chance my arm i'll happily chance my arm because of me because the chances of me actually flight actually getting on a flight are very remote, at very remote, especially at a time. is more time. and this is more pertinent, when it pertinent, i think, when it turns out that the government is easing restrictions illegal, easing restrictions on illegal, uh, and asylum seekers, uh, migrants and asylum seekers, people their claims people waiting for their claims to be processed to potentially work certain sectors because work in certain sectors because of certain jobs, work in certain sectors because of putting certain jobs, work in certain sectors because of putting them rtain jobs, work in certain sectors because of putting them up n jobs, work in certain sectors because of putting them up in obs, work in certain sectors because of putting them up in hotels. and putting them up in hotels.
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at the same time, know, you at the same time, you know, you can't they're also working can't have they're also working illegally apparently, with, uh, illegally, apparently, with, uh, you know, like food and online apps and basically weren't cashing cash in hand work at the moment. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> you can't have a situation. >> you can't have a situation. >> and i think that's really you can't situation where can't have a situation where effectively are being effectively people are being allowed to work and said, allowed to work and being said, come fine. come on, it's going to be fine. >> i don't know, 80, >> and then, i don't know, 80, 100, sent to rwanda. 100, 150 get sent to rwanda. people sit there and go, people will sit there and go, well, frank, frankly, my well, frank, frankly, i fancy my chances uh, and if i chances of going, uh, and if i fear being deported to rwanda, i can claim that i would be can just claim that i would be politically in rwanda politically vulnerable in rwanda because are offering asylum because we are offering asylum to claim that they to people who claim that they face rwanda. face persecution in rwanda. >> makes so cross. is if >> that makes me so cross. is if they're doing this illegal they're doing all this illegal work. are. that is work. yeah they are. that is keeping out our people , our uk keeping out our people, our uk people themselves , from doing people themselves, from doing a proper job, people themselves, from doing a properjob, i don't worry, but that's the thing , diane. that's the thing, diane. >> i don't think that they're they're going to necessarily in that position going to take the roles because people roles away because these people that are working illegally are doing very, very low, low paid jobs, menial jobs. >> but then other people would
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want that as a job as opposed to nothing at all. >> right. >> right. >> but i mean, we hope part of the hilarity about the rwanda scheme is that the uk supreme court has said that rwanda isn't safe. >> it doesn't necessarily meet the strict criteria that we would want to find in a safe country to which the response is then, me the then, well, okay, show me the country africa would country in africa that would meet requirements. show me meet those requirements. show me the america or the one in latin america or central southeast central america or southeast asia any asia that would meet any of these , almost none these criteria, for almost none of in europe and of them do. only in europe and nonh of them do. only in europe and north north america. and australia. the irony of this is we've come to this decision based on un data. well, who makes up un? it's all of makes up the un? it's all of these all of these these countries, all of these countries their own countries mark their own homework and say, well, that one's not safe. that one's not safe, that one's not safe. who says this authority? we says this with any authority? we says this with any authority? we say with authority. it's say it with authority. it's a just just the rwanda. say it with authority. it's a just it's ust the rwanda. say it with authority. it's a just it's just:he rwanda. say it with authority. it's a just it's just not rwanda. say it with authority. it's a just it's just not goinga. say it with authority. it's a just it's just not going to work. >> it's just not going to work. it's setting. it's basically set to fail . and they keep pushing to fail. and they keep pushing it and pushing it and pushing more. >> they won't give up. >> they won't give up. >> more labour are >> it's more than labour are doing. moran. doing. diana moran. >> they're not in >> yeah, but they're not in
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power . so they can't they can't power. so they can't they can't i keir starmer has said i mean keir starmer has said that he'll the rwanda plan that he'll ask the rwanda plan even and stop the even if it works and stop the boats is not on his top missions. >> of course they are on. well they should sunak five. >> they should be. look at the state of the country now. yeah >> it's ridiculous. this is what we were talking about just then. >> the second they into we were talking about just then. >> thgandzond they into we were talking about just then. >> thgandzond tisorts into we were talking about just then. >> thgandzond tisorts of nto we were talking about just then. >> thgandzond tisorts of things power and these sorts of things come the fore, public come to the fore, the public care this. but it's not care about this. but it's not particularly labour particularly important to labour activists. they activists. so what will they then choose to prioritise? and is the wheels start then choose to prioritise? and is come the wheels start then choose to prioritise? and is come off? the wheels start then choose to prioritise? and is (speaking the wheels start then choose to prioritise? and is (speaking ofe wheels start then choose to prioritise? and is (speaking of wheels,; start then choose to prioritise? and is (speaking of wheels, coming then choose to prioritise? and is gthisaking of wheels, coming then choose to prioritise? and is gthisaki the if wheels, coming then choose to prioritise? and is gthisaki the mailaels, coming then choose to prioritise? and is gthisaki the mail newspaper,] off this in the mail newspaper, john considers . losing john lewis considers. losing 11,000 jobs in an effort to recover from a £230 million full year loss that could be 10% of the workforce fired by john lewis . diana the workforce fired by john lewis. diana moran has britain fallen out of love with john lewis? um i haven't fallen out of love with john lewis. >> i've always been in love with it, but she has changed now for example, i went to one of those or two of those big stores just
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yesterday to try and buy a night dress. okay and i couldn't find what i wanted. just cheap and cheerful. couldn't find it, just didn't have it. >> benedict could have taken you to secret. to victoria's secret. >> well , knows i was >> well, well, i he knows i was chattering to my next door neighbour and she said, oh, by the way, when you were you clothed when you spoke to your neighbour. yes, was clothed neighbour. yes, i was clothed and we went on amazon. this neighbour. yes, i was clothed and lastnent on amazon. this neighbour. yes, i was clothed and last night. on amazon. this neighbour. yes, i was clothed and last night. right.nazon. this neighbour. yes, i was clothed and last night. right. and n. this neighbour. yes, i was clothed and last night. right. and shehis was last night. right. and she said, look, night dress said, look, lovely night dress before i came here. there it was on my doorstep. that's why john lewis isn't doing so well anymore. because it's so easy to shop at home and so. and you're. and immediately you're concerned about that, that there isn't the stock in in store. >> that's right. you couldn't get night yeah. and get a night dress. yeah. and what customer service. get a night dress. yeah. and what about customer service. get a night dress. yeah. and what about john mer service. get a night dress. yeah. and what about john lewisarvice. what about the john lewis experience? it what it was? experience? is it what it was? >> well , i experience? is it what it was? >> well, i think often it's how you are with the staff. if i'm honest, i'm a fairly smiley , honest, i'm a fairly smiley, bright person. and normally people are very nice back to me.
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so i can't complain on that score at all. >> has britain fallen out of love with john lewis? >> i think so, and it goes hand in hand with other stores as well. but john lewis, i mean, my mum loves the bedding there, but she's started to buy mum loves the bedding there, but she stuff started to buy mum loves the bedding there, but she stuff from started to buy mum loves the bedding there, but she stuff from somewhere buy mum loves the bedding there, but she stuff from somewhere else her stuff from somewhere else because just because it's just more convenient it's simple convenient and it's simple and you know, lack of staff. i mean , you know, lack of staff. i mean, i'm that actually see i'm glad that you actually see staff when you go into the shop because i can walk around john lewis and m&s for hours and i can't find a single person to get to get served or assisted. so it's really just the high street is disappearing in front of our eyes. >> we've just got they're not making out the money. >> they're not. they don't have enough money. staff. >> they've also briefly benedict, they've some benedict, they've made some shocking they. shocking decisions haven't they. strategically and strategically over the years and they moved with strategically over the years and thegtimes. moved with strategically over the years and thegtimes. think moved with strategically over the years and thegtimes. think mywill. with the times. i think we will. >> that's true. but i think we will regret it when a lot of these places go, oh yes, everybody happy now everybody is very happy now that things convenient. things are very convenient. but when chains break down, when supply chains break down, if problems your if you have problems with your courier service and
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courier delivery service and actually i think people, as we become atomised , they will become more atomised, they will begin to look back at this time when you did have to go into a shop and browse and interact. and actually it's quite and i think actually it's quite a thing. think that a good thing. and i think that we should try to keep it where possible. >> okay. >> okay. >> listen, we've got lots >> well, listen, we've got lots more papers to come, more >> well, listen, we've got lots more stories. to come, more >> well, listen, we've got lots more stories. to comy more >> well, listen, we've got lots more stories. to comy punditsyre great stories. and my pundits will headline will nominate their headline heroes heroes of heroes and back page heroes of the day. plus, we conducted an exclusive mark dolan tonight people's poll. we've been asking is correctness killing is political correctness killing british policing? the results are in. i shall reveal all .
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say no more. front pages and let's have a look at the sunday times. hot off the press courtesy of the brilliant meghan and katie, who have done a great job tonight , exposed foreign job tonight, exposed foreign students get secret route to top university cities. police. sorry post office chairman sacked and how about this? sunaks 36 hour fast each week . he's already fast each week. he's already known for his intense cycling workouts and he's only drinking vice is mexican coca cola, but it's now been revealed that rishi sunaks self control extends to fasting for a straight 36 hours. at the start of each week. friends of the pm say he does not eat from 5 pm. on a sunday afternoon until 5 am. on tuesday morning. he is incredibly disciplined and okay folks, let's get reaction now from diana moran. benedict spence and precious muir. briefly, diana, you are the health guru. the fitness and nutrition expert , as well as top nutrition expert, as well as top broadcaster. what do you think to sunaks fasting habit ? 36 to sunaks fasting habit? 36 hours a week? >> well, i think it's
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remarkable. self—discipline to do that. i'm assuming there's a religious connotation to this as well. >> i think there is. it's part of his hindu religion. yeah um, however, this is the first time that the extent of his self—discipline has has emerged. some people think that this intermittent fasting is quite healthy, though, where you eat in a smaller window in the day. um, the yes . >> um, the yes. >> um, the yes. >> would you sort of support that as somebody that knows about something that i about it's not something that i particularly would want to do . particularly would want to do. >> i mean, awful lot of >> i mean, an awful lot of people year people at this time of the year have off the booze. oh, have come off the booze. oh, yes. for example. that's a start. um, there, fasting in that way. actually , at the that way. um, actually, at the end of the day, come on. if you're going to be healthy, it's a question of eating healthy fresh foods in moderation. well, benedict, your body is a temple and i understand you do fast, i do i fast once a week for 24 hours and once a month for 72 hours. >> my goodness, that's crazy . >> my goodness, that's crazy. >> my goodness, that's crazy. >> for what purpose? >> for what purpose? >> yes, for health purposes. >> yes, for health purposes. >> also discipline. it's remarkable how quickly you see
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the effects of different things on your body and the withdrawal symptoms you get for certain things. but actually how quickly you can overcome that. first you can overcome that. the first couple it, it's couple of times you do it, it's very but then you very difficult. but then you begin actually it's begin to realise actually it's perfectly doable. idea perfectly doable. this idea that it's sort great torment, it's some sort of great torment, no, endurable. it's some sort of great torment, no, simply endurable. it's some sort of great torment, no, simply , endurable. it's some sort of great torment, no, simply , i endurable. it's some sort of great torment, no, simply , i mean,|rable. it's some sort of great torment, no, simply , i mean, asile. it's some sort of great torment, no, simply , i mean, as ae. it's some sort of great torment, no, simply , i mean, as a as a it's simply, i mean, as a as a model and you obviously have been a model, diane, as well. >> you are. you're sandwiched between two models. >> yeah. precious. >> yeah. so precious. yeah. >> yeah. so precious. yeah. >> watch weight. >> i had watch our weight. >> i had watch our weight. >> to i had had to cleanse. so >> to i had i had to cleanse. so cleansing was a huge thing. and obviously you have fit in a obviously you have to fit in a certain outfit or in lingerie and bikinis and stuff . you have and bikinis and stuff. you have to but i think to look trim, but i don't think it should be a regular thing because body , it's not very because your body, it's not very healthy. i think that obviously just we're all made differently . just we're all made differently. >> all right, folks, well, well, let me offer you two, uh, bits of information. >> first of all, there's a guy onune >> first of all, there's a guy online fung online called doctorjason fung who's an expert who's a bit of an expert on intermittent also intermittent fasting and also michael mosley, the health author and medic. he's, uh, quite interested in that element of fasting. but don't do
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anything without consulting your doctor. and uh, and take professional advice at all times. okay, listen, let's power through our nominations for headune through our nominations for headline hero and back page zero. who's your hero today? diana? >> my hero today is king charles. because he's there , charles. because he's there, undergoing his treatment. but he's. and he's done it in the open. and it's highlighted . and open. and it's highlighted. and it's made a lot of gentlemen aware of a potential problem. well done. king charles. >> your hero today, benedict. >> your hero today, benedict. >> my hero is liverpool manager jurgen klopp, who has been a wonderful, uh, inspiration for me and many other people both in the city of liverpool and throughout. um, and uh, we wish him all the best. yes, indeed. >> how about your hero today, precious ? precious? >> my hero is e jean carroll. well, i think the fact that she was awarded 83.3 million elianne, um, for something that happened to her. she's been compensated for it. and some justice has been given. and i'm so happy for her. >> which briefly takes me to your back . page zero. and, uh,
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your back. page zero. and, uh, it's a man who'd like to be president, isn't it? >> well, it is, yes. i mean, here, as you 83 million. here, as you say, 83 million. he's already paid defamation of character by e jean carroll. um 5 million that he paid out previously . see, these are previously. see, these are dollars. of course , not pounds. dollars. of course, not pounds. and he's facing four other criminal charges. >> he's in trouble . and that's >> he's in trouble. and that's also precious. is zero. and briefly, benedict, who's your zero? >> uh, my zero is jurgen klopp. itake >> uh, my zero is jurgen klopp. i take back everything i just said about him because he's ruined my weekend. i'm very upset. it most definitely. >> i love it most definitely. >> i love it most definitely. >> i love it most definitely. >> i thank my brilliant >> can i thank my brilliant pundits? really enjoyed their company . precious company tonight. precious benedict and diana, thanks to my brilliant team and most importantly, you for your company tonight. have loved every minute of it. i'm back tomorrow at nine for my big opinion. take at ten and much more. headliners is next. >> warm feeling inside and >> that warm feeling inside and from boilers sponsors of from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news . weather on gb news. >> hello there, welcome to your
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latest gb news weather forecast. i'm craig snow. we're looking ahead to sunday. for most of us it's going to be a very mild. there will be wet windy there will be some wet and windy weather. across the weather. however across the north. reason for the north. so the reason for the mild is we're mild conditions is we're dragging very mild air dragging in some very mild air from and portugal from parts of spain and portugal and that will really move right across the country as we go through course of sunday. through the course of sunday. back the rest of saturday. back to the rest of saturday. and parts of england and for many parts of england and ifs and for many parts of england and it's going and wales, it's going to be a fairly dry night with the clearest of the skies over towards east. scotland and towards the east. scotland and northern ireland seeing plenty of , and that cloud will be of cloud, and that cloud will be thick in places thick enough in places to produce of but produce some spots of rain. but mild clear mild here. but under the clear skies further east we will see a touch of frost. but a bright start for the east as we start sunday morning . elsewhere are sunday morning. elsewhere are plenty cloud and again there plenty of cloud and again there will be some spots rain and will be some spots of rain and drizzle around, but the cloud will across will tend to break up across many areas . so a bright many areas. so a bright afternoon with some sunny spells. on we start to spells. but later on we start to see this band of rain move in across northern ireland across parts of northern ireland and scotland, and western scotland, accompanied some very strong accompanied by some very strong winds. here, as we move into the
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afternoon . but in the sunshine, afternoon. but in the sunshine, very mild for the time of year, could see highs reaching 15 to 16 degrees and to monday we really the country is split into half by this band of rain. so if you stuck under here it will be quite a and day . to the quite a cold and wet day. to the north of it, cooler, blustery showers to the south of it. remaining mild but rather cloudy into of the into the middle part of the week. remains changeable with week. it remains changeable with temperatures they temperatures around where they should be for the time of year. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers spot answers of weather on gb news as
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