died after two teenage boys died following a stabbing attack in bristol. the 15 and 16 year olds were attacked in the south of the city yesterday morning . avon the city yesterday morning. avon and somerset police say a group of people fled the scene by car. both boys died in hospital in the early hours of this morning. a 44 year old man and a 15 year old boy have been arrested and remain in custody . bristol remain in custody. bristol commander, superintendent mark runacres says the investigation has already begun collecting statements . statements. >> a murder inquiry has been launched by the major crime investigation team , and two investigation team, and two people have already been arrested and are currently in police custody. i'd like to reassure people we will leave no stone unturned in our efforts to catch those responsible for this reprehensible attack and provide answers to the victims families . answers to the victims families. we're in the early stages of our enquiry that we've already identified a number of witnesses who we will be taking statements from. there is anyone who has information who hasn't yet

spoken to us. we'd urge them to contact or crime stoppers contact us or crime stoppers anonymously . police are anonymously. police are investigating the cause of a huge fire in liverpool city centre. >> it's after a major incident was declared yesterday amid fears a four storey building on fox street could collapse. it was downgraded after 12 engines helped tackle the blaze , which helped tackle the blaze, which had been mostly extinguished by 5 pm. last night. that's according to merseyside fire and rescue service . merseyside rescue service. merseyside police confirmed there was no casualties reported in the incident , but defence secretary incident, but defence secretary grant shapps says the uk remains undaunted by yesterday's illegal attack on hms diamond . ministry attack on hms diamond. ministry of defence confirmed the warships successfully repelled a houthi drone in the red sea. the vessel used her counter defence system to destroy the drone, avoiding any injuries or damage. this is the third attempted attack on the navy vessel . in attack on the navy vessel. in other news, the queen has left the london clinic after spending the london clinic after spending the afternoon with the king. it's the third day his majesty has spent recovering in

hospital, following a procedure for enlarged prostate. king for an enlarged prostate. king charles is said to be doing well after treatment . the after the treatment. the princess wales is also at the princess of wales is also at the same hospital following abdominal surgery. charles rea former royal correspondent for the sun, told gb news the support the royal family are showing each other is comforting i >> normally we don't see royals turn up at a hospital when one of them is in hospital. apart from occasionally the queen visited prince philip in one of his longer stays in hospital. but it's nice to see that they are behaving as they always are, like normal people there. and i think this is showing, um, the way the royal family is now and isn't it great to see a united royal family instead of the bickering that's been going on behind the scenes involving prince andrew? >> now kemi badenoch has told gb news, she asked the chairman of the post office to resign after she realised there were problems with board . henry staunton with the board. henry staunton stepped down the wake of the stepped down in the wake of the honzon

stepped down in the wake of the horizon scandal . the business horizon it scandal. the business secretary said the decision was by consent after she by mutual consent after she explained to him why we needed new leadership. >> they've been having difficulties the board and difficulties on the board and when at it, decided when i looked at it, i decided that given everything that's happened, given renewed happened, given the renewed interest or new interest, in interest or the new interest, in some cases horizon some cases into the horizon scandal, we just needed someone different . to different. to >> people have been arrested after protesters threw soup at the mona lisa in the louvre museum in paris, two women wearing shirts with the slogan food response crossed the security boundary and began shouting our farming system is sick! the incident came after days of protests by french farmers over low profits and red tape. farmers over low profits and red tape . the leonardo da vinci tape. the leonardo da vinci painting, widely considered a masterpiece , is set behind three masterpiece, is set behind three inches of protective glass and was unharmed . ed and two was unharmed. ed and two officers rescued camels and zebras and a miniature horse from a circus trailer blaze in the us state of indiana. a caravan of long trucks were transporting circus animals when a vehicle caught fire in the

middle of a highway. police responding to the incident freed the animals and helped to keep them calm. as emergency services fought the flames throughout the night . grant county sheriff's night. grant county sheriff's office says there was no harm to any furry friends and applauded the officers for their compassion . this is gb news compassion. this is gb news across the uk on tv , in your across the uk on tv, in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play . play. gb news. >> let's go through the papers . >> let's go through the papers. first of all with michael portillo. lovely to be with you. lovely to be with you. and let's pick a story. first of all, that is very much well down your street. defence street. as a former defence secretary once again, we've got headunes secretary once again, we've got headlines the sunday headlines in the sunday telegraph, this time uk warships lack firepower to take out houthi bases. lack firepower to take out houthi bases . and there's this houthi bases. and there's this constant string of stories, isn't there, about us being under defended . and we had grant

under defended. and we had grant shapps on last week. he was talking about how defence spending is now creeping up to 2.25% of gdp. ben wallace's predecessor suggested it should be 3. we hear that we've got the smallest army, i think, since the napoleonic wars. numbers are down. there's a question as to whether we can staff frigates in the red sea. why haven't we sent aircraft carriers ? what's your aircraft carriers? what's your impression of the situation ? impression of the situation? >> well, i don't think it matters how you spend. it's matters how much you spend. it's how you spend it. how effectively you spend it. and spend it very and we spend it very ineffectively . we lots of ineffectively. we have lots of scandals defence spending , scandals about defence spending, and partly because of and i think partly because of the monopoly position of some of our defence suppliers, we don't get good value and we don't get reliability . we this latest reliability. we this latest story in the telegraph is that hms diamond, which is our ship, which is out there defending the red sea, doesn't have the capability of firing a missile from to the land. so it from the ship to the land. so it can't participate in the attacks on the houthis. so in order that we can participate in the attacks , we are flying raf attacks, we are flying raf aircraft cyprus, which is a aircraft from cyprus, which is a

very long way away. and when i was defence secretary, i ordered some cruise missiles for our nuclear powered but not nuclear armed submarines. and i think we have six or possibly seven of those. but last autumn it was reported that five of those were out of commission, were not available. uh, we have about 21 aggressive surface ships , so aggressive surface ships, so we've got two aircraft carriers, then we've got frigates and we've got destroyers. but at any one time you can count on about half of those not being available because they're under refit or whatever . so we have refit or whatever. so we have a minimal surface fleet now. and for whatever reason, it doesn't seem that we're able to deploy a submarine to the area that can fire cruise missiles. our two aircraft carriers built an enormous expense, are sitting in portsmouth , which seems to most portsmouth, which seems to most people ludicrous . people ludicrous. >> well, at least with what's going on, it doesn't seem ludicrous to me because i've always aircraft always thought these aircraft carriers a vanity project. >> really, an aircraft carrier is an enormous target. yes. and

if one of these were hit and sunk, we would lose, you know, £3 worth ship, £2 £3 billion worth of ship, £2 billion of aircraft and billion worth of aircraft and 2000 and we're never 2000 personnel. and we're never going to risk doing that . the going to risk doing that. the aircraft carriers are huge things they need to be defended. we don't have the ships to defend them. >> so then it begs the question, why them? mean, why have them? okay, i mean, you're painting a pretty appalling picture. you're painting a pretty apptheig picture. you're painting a pretty appthe picture re. you're painting a pretty appthe picture is indeed >> the picture is indeed appalling and there's point appalling and there's no point having carriers, having the aircraft carriers, um, carriers could um, the aircraft carriers could only conjunction with only operate in conjunction with allies. need allies to defend allies. we need allies to defend them. there is some question as to the aircraft carrier to whether the aircraft carrier is date, because of is now out of date, because of the ballistic missile the advance in ballistic missile technology, we're learning technology, and we're learning a lot from from the ukraine war, for example, we're learning how even quite small powers with sort improvised weaponry can sort of improvised weaponry can take ships. the take out big ships. the ukrainians have been very successful. they don't even have a speak of. they're a navy to speak of. they're being successful against the russian so think russian navy. um, so i think we're invested , you know, in the we're invested, you know, in the wrong things . and our kit is wrong things. and our kit is unreliable and not available. and not equipped for purpose. >> how worried are you about

what's been going on in the middle east and beyond with regard to where we might lie in this whole conflict, because we've had warnings that we we've also had warnings that we might be at war with russia in 20 years time. >> worried. and >> i'm hugely worried. and i think other thing that think the other thing that hugely worries me is there's virtually political reaction virtually no political reaction in yes. i mean, in this country. yes. i mean, despite the that are despite all the things that are happening, know, the happening, you know, the invasion then invasion of ukraine and then everything gaza everything around gaza and israel red sea, there's israel and the red sea, there's still sent a shockwave still it hasn't sent a shockwave through the political system in britain. have britain. we don't have a government right, all government saying, right, all bets we're now going to bets are off. we're now going to have to rethink our defence policy. indeed, the posture of grant is i'm not grant shapps is now i'm not going rethink my defence going to rethink my defence policy. mean, that's i policy. so i mean, that's i think most, worries me think what most, most worries me that want to pretend that politicians want to pretend to the public that nothing has changed. fear lots has changed. >> tories torn apart is the headune >> tories torn apart is the headline we've put on the next section. we've got dan hodges writing mail sunday writing in the mail on sunday about rishi having call the about rishi having to call the bluff rebels , just like john bluff of rebels, just like john major did. he know ? major did. does he know? >> i think there's a bit of a journalism. i mean, what john

major did was very interesting. i didn't think it was advisable, but two years before the election in 1995, he said, i'm stepping down as leader and immediately myself immediately presenting myself as candidate again, calling the bluff of the rebels. so in fact, what happened was , um, uh, i've what happened was, um, uh, i've forgotten his name now. john. what's his name? redwood. redwood i couldn't couldn't get his right. john redwood his name right. john redwood stood against him, but, but stood against him, but, um. but major victor , so, um, so major was the victor, so, um, so major was the victor, so, um, so major established then that . he major established then that. he was the leader and he wasn't going to be challenged in the next two years up to the election. we're now an election yeah election. we're now an election year. yeah. rishi can't do the ludicrous. >> then the idea of deposing rishi now, is it for the birds? >> completely for the birds? rishi now, is it for the birds? >> what letely for the birds? rishi now, is it for the birds? >> what iftely for the birds? rishi now, is it for the birds? >> what if it.y for the birds? rishi now, is it for the birds? >> what if it gets the birds? rishi now, is it for the birds? >> what if it gets eveniirds? rishi now, is it for the birds? >> what if it gets even worse? the doesn't go down very the budget doesn't go down very well, dial. well, doesn't move the dial. farage announces retaking farage announces his retaking the and at that the helm of reform. and at that point , you the helm of reform. and at that point, you see the helm of reform. and at that point , you see reform the helm of reform. and at that point, you see reform and the conservatives polling at conservatives both polling at 20. well the tories, in my view, are stuck with rishi. >> and if they decide to have a leadership election, in my view , leadership election, in my view, they would do even worse than

sticking with rishi. they would do even worse than sticwhat vith rishi. they would do even worse than sticwhat aboutshi. they would do even worse than sticwhat about my guest who's >> what about my guest who's coming on later in the show? kemi takes the reins. i kemi badenoch takes the reins. i mean, she that she doesn't mean, she said that she doesn't want there's a briefings want to. there's a few briefings i'm to put her. i'm going to put to her. >> of course, of course >> well, of course, of course she to because she she doesn't want to because she doesn't to the tories doesn't want to lead the tories to defeat. i can't to defeat. but i can't understand wanting you to understand her wanting you to lead tories after defeat lead the tories after defeat ehhen lead the tories after defeat either, for that matter, because, tories are because, well, if the tories are reduced a they be reduced to a rump, they won't be back following election. back at the following election. they won't be back within five years. they'll out for ten years. they'll be out for ten years. they'll be out for ten years. who wants years. the minimum. who wants to be leader the be the leader of the conservative party after this defeat? it will be in opposition. will rump opposition. it will be a rump and wants to and irrelevant. no one wants to listen to a word that the leader says, and leader will lose says, and that leader will lose the election. the following election. in my view, therefore not view, and therefore it's not a position that anyone should want to hold. >> but speak with wisdom >> but you speak with wisdom and experience there because there are these mad tory mps who are saying, maybe we need saying, oh, maybe we need a penod saying, oh, maybe we need a period opposition and i keep period in opposition and i keep on what you on thinking, what are you talking about? >> have >> they're going to have a penod >> they're going to have a period opposition, they period in opposition, but they need recognise that it need to recognise that it probably be years. it probably won't be five years. it will more it won't be will be more and it won't be much fun either, and won't be

much fun either, and it won't be any fun. >> having said that, um, badenochs sacking henry staunton as of the post as the chairman of the post office. said that office. i mean, they said that he mutual agreement, but he left by mutual agreement, but i we've much know i think we've pretty much know what's i mean, what's happened. yes. i mean, isn't a little bit of isn't that a little bit of manoeuvring? isn't trying manoeuvring? isn't that trying to send a message to the public that quite tough and that that she's quite tough and that she difficult decisions? >> may mean, it seems >> it may be. i mean, it seems to shrouded in mystery as to to be shrouded in mystery as to what's happened. they seem possibly to have row possibly to have been a row about should the lead about who should be the lead independent on post independent director on the post office think office board. what i think is worth noting is that royal assent was given to the post office. horizon compensation assent was given to the post offi fiisn't, i appreciate the more detail. >> fi isn't in appreciate the more detail. >> fi isn't in today'sate the more detail. >> fiisn't in today's papers, story isn't in today's papers, but been running all

but it has been running all week, it's this row over. week, and it's this row over. um, the use of nitrogen hypoxia to this man on to kill this man who was on death in, um, alabama, death row in, in, um, alabama, in and it's been linked in alabama. and it's been linked back you . and i wanted to ask back to you. and i wanted to ask you because this is you about it because this is intriguing, because you did a television back in 2015 television show back in 2015 where for you, believe, tested where for you, i believe, tested this execution on. this method of execution on. just tell me briefly about it, michael. what happened? just tell me briefly about it, mici ael. what happened? just tell me briefly about it, mici didn'that happened? just tell me briefly about it, mici didn't testiappened? just tell me briefly about it, mici didn't test this aned? just tell me briefly about it, mici didn't test this method of >> i didn't test this method of execution, was bit execution, and it was a bit longer that. but what i longer ago than that. but what i did was test hypoxia. so for did do was test hypoxia. so for i tested various ways in which people are killed in the united states and, and ask the question as to whether there was a more humane way of doing it. so i was put into hypoxic situations, for example, into a chamber run by the netherlands air force, which simulated what happens if you're in an aircraft at 30,000ft and suddenly the windows blow out. and what happened to me was that i was almost instantly rendered incapable as an experiment. i was trying to play with children's toys, putting triangle shapes into triangle spaces, and i was quickly unable

to do that. i was asked , what is to do that. i was asked, what is nine minus five? and i said five, and then the officer who was with me, the air force officer who was wearing an oxygen mask, said to me, michael, put your mask on or you will die. and i was incapable of putting my own mask on. now this suggested that hypoxia was very fast acting and that you had obviously i was in no pain or anything like that. i was just completely unaware. by the way, this is why if you're an aircraft and it depressurised, you must put your own mask on first because you will soon be incapable of helping anybody else. course i can't. else. but of course i can't. i can't go draw can't go on and draw conclusions. we did not experiment with nitrogen , but experiment with nitrogen, but what i can say is it was it was evident me that hypoxia evident to me that hypoxia renders you incapable almost instantaneously. >> so there's been this furore over the way that this man has been executed. but actually, in comparison to lethal injection or other it well be or other methods, it may well be more humane or i know you don't believe in the death penalty anyway, one of the things, one

of that the programme of the things that the programme found the lethal found out was that the lethal injection been invented by injection had been invented by someone unqualified someone who was unqualified to invent no research had invent it, and no research had been done before it was introduced. >> so seriously, if the state of oklahoma , which is where the oklahoma, which is where the story came about, if the state of oklahoma was prepared to switch they'd switch to hypoxia because they'd seen a bbc programme with me. yes, that would be another complete lack of evidence and science. know in order to science. i know in order to introduce a new death penalty stretch. >> now don't go anywhere because we're going to be joined by the former chancellor and former lord chancellor and justice sir robert justice secretary, sir robert buckland

>> you're listening to gb news radio . yes radio. yes >> welcome back to the camilla tominey show. sir robert buckland, the former justice

secretary and the mp for south swindon , joins me now. thank you swindon, joins me now. thank you for coming in, sir robert, lovely you. look it's lovely to see you. look it's been a very difficult week, hasn't yeah subjected hasn't it been. yeah subjected to the angst and agony to frankly, the angst and agony of the families of the victims of the families of the victims of aldo carlo cain. um, there are questions to be answered here. in this case, my first question to you as a former justice secretary is . how was justice secretary is. how was this guy free to roam the streets? we understand he was under an arrest warrant from september 2022. the police couldn't find him, even though the victim's family say that he had a registered address in nottingham for six months before he was evicted on june the 11th. carried out the killings on june the 13th. um he wasn't taking his anti—psychotic medication and apparently was being unmonitored while he was doing it. how do cases like this happen? >> yes. well, there are two things there. there's the nhs and the involvement of local services in monitoring this

person for his mental health condition. and then the warrant that had been issued some months before, by, by for the, for the police to, to collect him and bnng police to, to collect him and bring him in. and it does seem that from the time that he was in a secure hospital back in 2020, from his release, it doesn't seem to have been an intermediate way to deal with this individual. no medication varne uh, clearly unresolved and serious mental health issues, i'm afraid. i've described this person by the time we get to june as a killing machine, he was going to kill and hurt people . and it's an unuttered people. and it's an unuttered double tragedy that two young, beautiful lives have been lost. a public servant caretaker murdered, and three people having life changing injuries. all that has to add up to a very serious set of questions about why it is that individuals like this, it's not the first time have been in a position to kill. remember christopher clunis all those years ago and jane zito and her amazing campaign? >> um, emma webber, who's

barnaby webber's mother , has barnaby webber's mother, has said believes that rob said that she believes that rob griffin, is the assistant griffin, who is the assistant chief, um constable of nottingham police, has got blood on his hands and should resign. it's hard to disagree with that, isn't it? >> well, look, i think mrs. webber has been incredibly dignified reading her account of her experiences and her husband's experiences. i brought, i think, brought tears , brought, i think, brought tears, brought, i think, brought tears, brought tears to all our eyes. look i think that accountability is important , but i think that is important, but i think that we need to explore precisely why it was that these this set of circumstances happened and also why it was that the families weren't told at an earlier stage about this issue of mental health. it seems that mrs. webber has been clear about this, that that it was a complete shock to them in november when this person is coming in for his plea hearing in the in the crown court, that the issue of diminished responsibility, which is the terme in law for mental health defences was raised for the

first time that that amazed me frankly. >> do you know what i'll ask you about that in just a minute, because obviously there has been the suggestion that he should have been tried for murder and put a jury rather than put before a jury rather than being rely on that being able to rely on that diminished responsibility defence. this defence. but just back to this police indeed police chief and indeed leicester now faced leicester police have now faced questions they did not questions about why they did not arrest calocane on a number of occasions. so we've got two police forces here who haven't acted on a man who you've described as a killing machine. surely heads need to roll . surely heads need to roll. otherwise, where is the accountability in the responsibility for these sorts of cases as parents like me? look at this case of barnaby and grace . you know, that could be grace. you know, that could be any of our children. >> could be my kids, ian coates. >> could be my kids, ian coates. >> be anybody's >> that could be anybody's granddad. um, surely granddad. exactly um, surely responsibility needs to be taken. and i would suggest that rob griffin, if described by one of the victim's mothers as having blood on his hands, i know that sounds emotive, but she it with a huge she backed it up with a huge amount of evidence of how the police had let them down.

amount of evidence of how the pothis had let them down. amount of evidence of how the pothis case,had let them down. amount of evidence of how the pothis case, why.et them down. amount of evidence of how the pothis case, why shouldn'tiown. amount of evidence of how the pothis case, why shouldn't he n. in this case, why shouldn't he have to resign? >> um, look, there are processes for frustration with for this. my frustration with the iopc, the independent police complaints authority , is that it complaints authority, is that it does take a long time , and i does take a long time, and i think we need to make sure that any complaint, any, uh, issue of accountability is dealt with quickly because this isn't just relevant for this horrendous case. let's put it wider implications. >> put it like this. should he be considering his position? well, look, i think everybody concerned with the monitoring of this case needs to look at themselves and say, could i, could have done more? could i have done more? >> i'm not going to point a finger at individuals. but mrs. webber's that webber's in charge of that police webber's police force. mrs. webber's points powerful , and i points are very powerful, and i think ignore them our think we ignore them at our peril. because it could be you. it be that position it could be me in that position with regard to this diminished responsibility, defence. >> i mean, clearly a doctor did say court that he would not say in court that he would not have committed these acts he have committed these acts if he wasn't midst of wasn't in the midst of a psychosis . i wasn't in the midst of a psychosis. i think we can look from the outside in. i wasn't in the court case. i wasn't following every day of the

trial. but there is perhaps an argument. and i think the families that families made this, that he seemed been premeditated seemed to have been premeditated in was doing, that he in what he was doing, that he had cache weapons on him, had a cache of weapons on him, that was waiting the that he was waiting in the shadows for some hours before he pounced middle the pounced in the middle of the night. um, that would therefore negate would a negate one would imagine, a diminished responsibility defence. mean, talking defence. yes. i mean, talking about him getting away with murder. because he wasn't murder. that's because he wasn't tried for murder by a jury of 12 men and women. good and true. who could have made an analysis of whether he was mad, or of whether he was mad, bad or both ? yeah. both? yeah. >> look, i've been in these positions myself as as a barrister, prosecuting and defending. you have make defending. you have to make difficult decisions based on the evidence. i think has also, evidence. what i think has also, um, you know, caused a little bit of a contradiction here is, of course, the pleas guilty of course, the pleas of guilty to murder . yes. which to attempted murder. yes. which there's no defence of the three victims who have been left with life changing injuries. there's no defence diminished no defence of diminished responsibility no defence of diminished responsib need an intent to kill that. you need an intent to kill and murderous intent has to be proved . he admitted that. so you proved. he admitted that. so you get that fully reflected there.

but with regard to the diminished responsibility case, obviously the prosecution have to at their evidence. there to look at their evidence. there were, the end, four were, i think in the end, four reports from experienced consultant psychiatrist , consultant psychiatrist, clinical, uh, forensic psychiatrist who said came to the conclusion that there was enough evidence for diminished responsibility. i'm not going to get into the warp and woof of how these decisions are made. or in this particular case, but there is no doubt that in cases like this , um, where you've got like this, um, where you've got this limited defence available, it is very difficult for. this limited defence available, it is very difficult for . all of it is very difficult for. all of us, let alone the families, to come to terms with how this person had behaved, what he'd prepared to do. and then the outcome. and no amount of justice, no amount of the formal justice, no amount of the formal justice ever justice system will ever compensate happened here. >> although obviously the attorney general has now said that is looking at the that she is looking at the sentence, confirmed sentence, hasn't confirmed that she it to the court she will refer it to the court of appeal judges as three judges could decide whether it's too lenient. do you think she lenient. yes. do you think she should to court of

should refer it to the court of appeal ? appeal? >> i've been there many times. i was solicitor general for years. i did hundreds of these cases doing myself. or no doing them myself. so yes or no in case. look, i haven't in this case. look, i haven't seen the evidence. what i do know, there's one question i think she will looking think that she will be looking at whether or not it was at is whether or not it was right just to right for the judge just to impose hospital order with impose a hospital order with a restriction, rather the restriction, rather than the opfion restriction, rather than the option the person to option of sending the person to prison he'd got better, prison if he'd got better, because could have done the because he could have done the hybnd because he could have done the hybrid order, and he could have the section 40 it. hybrid order, and he could have the now,on 40 it. hybrid order, and he could have the now,on 41man it. hybrid order, and he could have the now,on 41man is. hybrid order, and he could have the now,on 41man is just going >> now, this man is just going to in the hospital rather to remain in the hospital rather than ever in a prison. he than ever be in a prison. he does. >> the does address that >> the judge does address that in remarks. to be fair to in his remarks. to be fair to him, he does address it. so the attorney to look very attorney will have to look very carefully judge this carefully and judge this as a lawyer. she'll get advice from other and within lawyer. she'll get advice from othdays and within lawyer. she'll get advice from othdays come and within lawyer. she'll get advice from othdays come decision. thin 28 days come to a decision. >> quick question. kimmy's coming later. should coming in a little later. should she replace sunak? she replace rishi sunak? apparently the sunday apparently a poll in the sunday the sunday has suggested the sun on sunday has suggested that got a better chance that she's got a better chance of winning the election than he has. >> oh look, another change of leader. think that would leader. i don't think that would be right thing to do. we've be the right thing to do. we've got a job of work to do. getting

the economy right and sticking to rishi sunak to the plan that rishi sunak has. what we should has. that's what we should all do. >> if the plan isn't >> well, if the plan isn't working robert, that's >> well, if the plan isn't wortrouble. robert, that's the trouble. >> well, let's let's not >> well, look, let's let's not worry about opinion worry about the opinion polls and the important and look at the important indices, which are inflation and jobs and growth. >> fair enough. let's speak to ivor he's former ivor caplin. he's the former labour and chair labour minister and former chair of movement. of the jewish labour movement. lovely this morning, lovely to see you this morning, ivor. very much indeed ivor. thank you very much indeed for joining me. >> to you, forjoining me. >> to you, camilla. >> good morning to you, camilla. >> good morning to you, camilla. >> anti—semitism >> um, now, anti—semitism once again we've had again on the rise. we've had some startling statistics some quite startling statistics from the campaign for anti—semitism. from from the campaign for anti—s people|. from from the campaign for anti—s people all from from the campaign for anti—s people all the from from the campaign for anti—s people all the time)m from the campaign for anti—s people all the time that jewish people all the time that they're on the they're not feeling safe on the streets london and beyond. streets of london and beyond. one to ask the question one needs to ask the question has this rise in anti—semitism? i of course, by i know, of course, fuelled by what's the middle what's going on in the middle east. from a labour east. but from a labour perspective, all started with perspective, it all started with jeremy corbyn. in recent times, didn't it? well it did, of course, quite course, in those, uh, quite awful period that, uh, awful five year period that, uh, corbyn was leader of the labour party . party. >> i think it's fair to say that since 2020, uh , that has been since 2020, uh, that has been addressed by, by keir starmer and the whole team in order to try and make it clear to people

that what had happened previously was unacceptable . and previously was unacceptable. and i think part of the problem today is what we see almost every saturday. now in london, where people demonstrate writing about some sort of idea that they should be supporting hamas . they should be supporting hamas. and hamas is a is a terrible organisation. it's not even supported across the palestinian people in in both the west bank and, and in that that part of where they are so, so dominating. but at the same time, it's clear that what we have to do , unless the hostages have to do, unless the hostages who they have taken, which is now 140 people, are let free, then there cannot be any, any way of taking this matter forward. >> i mean, you say that labour's cleaned up his act, and i think we can say that partially, but at the same time, we've had only this week to hear ali, who's a labour mp, having to apologise

for saying that rishi sunak had quotes the blood of thousands of innocent people on his hands. we've had kate osamor having to apologise for being critical of israel , apologise for being critical of israel, while at apologise for being critical of israel , while at the apologise for being critical of israel, while at the same time signing a holocaust memorial book. we've also had the prospect of a spanner. begum, another labour mp , she had another labour mp, she had supported the palestinian solidarity campaign, which protested outside the israeli embassy. literally within hours of the october the 7th attacks. she's also been signing holocaust memorial books. these labour mps should be stripped of the whip, shouldn't they? >> i cannot really believe that they still are in the whip of they still are in the whip of the labour party. i think this is absolute, a something they should never have done. there are ways of making sure , as are ways of making sure, as a member of parliament, that you can have comment to, to, with and within your own organisation of the labour party . those of the labour party. those comments can be private. i i

heard earlier, uh , you know, um, heard earlier, uh, you know, um, uh , kemi talking about that in uh, kemi talking about that in respect of the conservative party on, on laura's show. so you know , there are ways of, of you know, there are ways of, of heanng you know, there are ways of, of hearing what you want to know and what you want to say. and there's a sensible way of doing it. but far too many think that they have to be public, and sometimes that's just the wrong thing to do. >> i mean, if you're going to be accusing of genocide accusing israel of genocide in one and signing one breath and then signing a holocaust book in holocaust memorial book in another , you're just a giant another, you're just a giant hypocrite, aren't you ? hypocrite, aren't you? >> uh, to some extent, yes. is the answer to that. camilla, there's no reason at all for the, uh. i mean, even in the, in the, uh. i mean, even in the, in the un, the south africa case has really been sidelined because it didn't come to what south africa wanted, which was to stop the whole thing. and and have some form of, of , of have some form of, of, of a stoppage in, in, in the fighting as they say , uh, the problem is

as they say, uh, the problem is that, that, that that's not possible because you have to come to an agreement with hamas and that's not possible because hamas are not an organised nafion hamas are not an organised nation who you can debate matters with. >> well, do not move a muscle, because in just a minute i'll be speaking to the business secretary, kemi badenoch, about the future of tory party and the future of the tory party and whether she's the future leader that everybody talking about. that everybody is talking about. stay .

them. you're listening to gb news radio show . news radio show. >> welcome back to the camilla tominey show on gb news i'm delighted to be joined now by the secretary of state for business and trade, kemi badenoch. lovely to see you, minister . badenoch. lovely to see you, minister. thank you coming minister. thank you for coming in. the flesh. always best to in. in the flesh. always best to do this is my first time, uh, in >> this is my first time, uh, in the gb news studio. >> i'm very honoured that you've chosen me. thank you very much.

and you're very much the woman of the moment because you're featuring in quite a lot of newspaper coverage today. we'll get on to that in just a minute. first of let's talk about first of all, let's talk about post office chairman, henry staunton. or staunton. did you fire him or was mutual consent? was it by mutual consent? >> it was by mutual consent. >> uh, it was by mutual consent. uh, but explained to him why uh, but i explained to him why we needed leadership when we needed new leadership when i first business secretary first became business secretary there things there were three things i realised immediately. one, that we to money out of we needed to get money out of the immediately. we needed to get money out of the immediately . yes. uh, the door immediately. yes. uh, the door immediately. yes. uh, the just making sure the second was just making sure that it was all done properly and fairly . and the third, just and fairly. and the third, just looking at the post office, its governance, how it's run. it's a very odd organisation . it's in very odd organisation. it's in the public sector, but not quite. and it's fulfils a unique role. and and they've been having difficulties on the board. and when i looked at it, i decided that given everything that's happened , given the that's happened, given the renewed interest or the new interest in some cases into the honzon interest in some cases into the horizon scandal, we just needed someone different. >> when you say about getting that money out of the door, i note alan bates, mr bates, note that alan bates, mr bates, who's obviously been the

champion of the victims champion of all of the victims in this, has written to your colleague kevin hollinrake, saying, we need this compensation as compensation to be expedited as soon as possible. are you going to meet that august 2024 deadline, do you think, to compensate everybody? >> so the intention is to if i could get it all out tomorrow, i would do so. uh, we have not set a deadline because we don't want to create a hostage to fortune. our priority is looking after all those people who have been wronged. and kevin hollinrake has been a brilliant, brilliant minister. he was doing the job before i became business secretary, and he told me everything, and i just trusted him. said, you know what him. i said, you know what you're doing, you're on top of all the detail. let me know what senior approval you need. but he has spoken to alan bates on multiple occasions. unlike uh, lib dem ministers, ed davey who told told him go away . told him, told him to go away. we are going to do everything we can. to trust us can. we want people to trust us that there is a team here that really but they can't be really cares. but they can't be left longer. left too much longer. >> no. justice delayed is

>> no, no. justice delayed is justice absolutely. and justice denied. absolutely. and at moment seems like at the moment, it seems like very them have actually very few of them have actually got full amount of planned compensation. >> we have given about two >> so we have given about two thirds of the people who should have got compensation. we've given we've got the money. uh the, the difficulty area has been around the convictions we wanted to see convictions overturned . we are now pushing overturned. we are now pushing that through . the legal that through. the legal precedent is new. uh, that was an argument that was very difficult. but we finally won it. so now that we've got that , it. so now that we've got that, uh, we've got the agreement there, there will be a process and we're going to move as quickly swiftly we can. quickly and swiftly as we can. i've officials to work on i've tasked officials to work on it. it's all hands on deck to get that out. get that cash out. >> somebody quoted somebody as quoting in a piece by andrew quoting you in a piece by andrew marr statesman, marr in the new statesman, suggesting didn't suggesting that you didn't want to for leadership now to go for the leadership now because, have said because, quote, you have said rishi to defeat. is rishi has got to own defeat. is that something you've ever said? >> also the fact that we >> no. and also the fact that we can't even say who said these things, it's always an anonymous person, overheard person, said they overheard someone about someone else talking about these

things and with the people who are causing trouble when they're asked, say, oh, to asked, they say, oh, nothing to do with us. it must be kemi pointing it's distraction pointing that it's distraction tactics . i do support the prime tactics. i do support the prime minister if people want to know whether support him, whether or not i support him, they should look at my actions. when from the when liz truss resigned from the premiership, first thing premiership, the first thing i did was come out and say rishi should the prime minister and should be the prime minister and igave should be the prime minister and i gave the reasons i have backed him consistently. every time because i know difficult his because i know how difficult his job i see him working so job is. i see him working so hard. works harder than hard. no one works harder than that . he is he. that man. he is he. >> then people say, you're more charismatic, clearer in charismatic, you're clearer in an ideological perspective on what . had been what you're saying. had been really clear in this interview this morning that actually there's polling the sun there's even polling in the sun on sunday today to suggest that there's even polling in the sun oryou1day today to suggest that there's even polling in the sun oryou1day1in ay to suggest that there's even polling in the sun oryou1day1in charge uggest that there's even polling in the sun oryou1day1in charge ofjest that there's even polling in the sun oryou1day1in charge of the that if you were in charge of the party, you might more likely party, you might be more likely to the next general to win the next general election. but that must be compelling you a kind of compelling if you take a kind of for the country view, as opposed to party view. to for the party view. >> isn't compelling >> no, it isn't compelling because popularity because this is not a popularity contest. it is not about if we are not celebrities , there is are not celebrities, there is a job to be done and he can do

that job. and also, i think it's really important that the public see that when somebody is in place as prime minister, we don't just keep disposing them. oh, don't look oh, the polls don't look so great. let's try somebody great. well, let's try somebody else. serious. that else. that's not serious. that is not serious. how would i know that i wouldn't be disposed of? uh, of weeks later, you uh, a couple of weeks later, you read that people read the language that people use. about use. people talking about installing prime installing kemi as prime minister, instead minister, like i'm instead of windows, people talk windows, these people don't talk to talk to me. to me. they don't talk to me. they don't care about me. >> quite flattering >> it must be quite flattering to yourself at the top of to see yourself at the top of the grassroots poll on con home as their favourite replace as their favourite to replace him, time ever come. him, should the time ever come. i mean, presumably you look at that or your that poll on occasion or your advisers . advisers do. >> it's double edged sword. so >> it's a double edged sword. so yes, at it. it's nice. yes, i do look at it. it's nice. of course, of course we of course see it. yeah but when course we see it. yeah but when you have that, you also have a target on your back. lots of people decide, oh, well, that's the that we need to take the person that we need to take out, the person who we out, or that's the person who we can and so on. well, can blame and so on. well, that's it's distracting for that's it's very distracting for me my job as business me doing my job as business secretary, actually

secretary, which i actually love. this is a great job. >> this is of interest to the gb news audience. so it's me news audience. so it's worth me asking you these questions news audience. so it's worth me ahave you these questions news audience. so it's worth me ahave the these questions news audience. so it's worth me ahave the privilegeiestions news audience. so it's worth me ahave the privilege oftions news audience. so it's worth me ahave the privilege of your i have the privilege of your company studio um, the company in the studio. um, the other attack line on you from colleagues that you are too colleagues is that you are too close to michael gove and by association, dougie smith, who, of course , has been pinpointed of course, has been pinpointed by nadine dorries as the man at the centre of the plot to unseat bofis the centre of the plot to unseat boris johnson. are you close to michael gove and dougie smith? are you too close? in fact ? are you too close? in fact? >> all right, so i will start there are several things i need to say one, almost everything in nadine's book. pardon me, almost everything in nadine dorries bookis everything in nadine dorries book is nonsense. it is. i hear it. one of my constituents bought the book and told me, i know this isn't true because i was at your selection. was there at your selection. what is described there as nonsense that you are the chosen one. there was somebody from number 10 we all knew was the person we were expected to pick. so are a lot of lies so there are a lot of lies there. do i know michael gove? yes. he my secretary of yes. he was my secretary of state. well state. we worked very well together and people say he's

very adviser of yours. very close adviser of yours. >> is. to him. >> this is. listen to him. >> this is. listen to him. >> of course this is what they say. do you know why say say. do you know why they say it? at me and it? because they look at me and they at what i say, and they look at what i say, and they look at what i say, and they think, oh, she couldn't possibly thought possibly have thought of that herself. from somewhere herself. some man from somewhere must have put her, must have put it well, they're it in her brain. well, they're really and i've had really saying. and i've had this from labour mps well, who from labour mps as well, who claim the speeches i make claim that the speeches i make about race and attacking black lives no black lives matter, the no black person would say white person would say that a white person would say that a white person that person must have written that speech this is speech for her. this is nonsense. what they're doing is really me and my really insulting me and my intelligence couldn't intelligence that i couldn't possibly making possibly be making decisions without these. these people telling do. michael telling me what to do. michael gove is my secretary of state we were friends, slightly were very good friends, slightly less have less so now. we still have a good professional working relationship. i know dougie smith's munira, well. smith's wife, munira, very well. she was deputy mayor for london under johnson when was under boris johnson when i was an assembly so these are an assembly member, so these are people that you know just people that you know and just because know people because you know people doesn't mean they're mean that they're they're controlling you. it is all nonsense. i'm really nonsense. and i'm really glad that asked, it gives that you asked, because it gives me an opportunity to tell your viewers nonsense. viewers that it is nonsense. >> but then at the same time,

you know, simon clarke's intervention not intervention in the week. not helpful, i called helpful, not helpful. i called him helpful. what's wrong him not as helpful. what's wrong with conservatives? why with the conservatives? why can't along? can't they all just get along? we we do that. we do. well, we do that. >> 350 but if you have a >> 350 of us. but if you have a one nation group at the throats of the so—called five families, the no, they're not the rwanda bill. no, they're not people. have to what people. people have to do what is in their conscience and actually what is really interesting is that having disagreed about, uh, what we should do on a bill is seen as a sign of a party infighting, when actually we're thinking people have different views, we have a vote and the collective view is presented. people should be more worried about labour. they haven't they don't haven't got a plan. they don't know want do know what they want to do because they're doesn't because they're quiet. doesn't mean getting mean that they're all getting along they're minds are along because they're minds are empty. are empty party empty. they are an empty party protagonist, apparently. >> stoking the woke wars. >> on stoking the woke wars. what's to that ? what's your response to that? >> keir starmer? >> who's that? keir starmer? yes. this who took yes. uh, this is a man who took the knee for black lives matter. of course, he shouldn't have done. a passing fad. it done. it was a passing fad. it was utterly ridiculous. there are all sorts of false statistics about racist this statistics about how racist this country isn't. because if country is. it isn't. because if

it wouldn't be sitting it was, i wouldn't be sitting here business secretary here as business secretary talking certainly talking to you. and we certainly wouldn't as wouldn't have rishi sunak as prime minister this is a man who will to anything that comes will bend to anything that comes along. the blm. along. who is blm? the is blm. the we're doing now, let's the thing we're doing now, let's all the knee everybody. and all take the knee everybody. and thatis all take the knee everybody. and that is what he will do as prime minister. people should be warned. say also to warned. and i would say also to your viewers, those of them who are thinking about voting reform, vote reform, you get reform, you vote reform, you get a land okay. a labour land slide. okay. >> yeah. note, we >> yeah. on that note, as we can't a party can't turn this into a party political broadcast. thank you. so thank you so much for so but thank you so much for your on a sunday morning. your time on a sunday morning. lovely see for the first lovely to see you for the first time gb news. thank you. time on gb news. thank you. thank next is david thank you kemi. up next is david campbell—bannerman, chairman campbell—bannerman, the chairman of conservative democratic of the conservative democratic organisation. what exactly is this splinter this new right wing splinter group that can be suggests doesn't suggest that the tories are all at each other's throats, but are they? is there a secret plan to bring back boris? all will revealed .

next. so i'm joined in the studio by david campbell—bannerman. i call him dkb just for short. as everyone does. he's a former conservative mep and chairman of the conservative democratic organisation dcb . lovely to see organisation dcb. lovely to see you this morning. now tell us, um, did you catch kemi badenoch's interview just then? did you catch any . yeah, a did you catch any. yeah, a little bit. do you find her impressive? what do you think about her? >> i think, i mean, i think kemi is very gutsy and she's doing a great job on the trade front. i mean, i suppose the question that you ask her is like the control of michael gove, alleged control of michael gove, alleged control michael and control of michael gove and being close, resigned being very close, she resigned as for as head of candidates for conservative back him conservative party to back him in 2019. >> so why is this alliance with michael problematic for michael gove so problematic for so tories ? so many tories? >> i, think a lot of tory mps >> i, i think a lot of tory mps don't trust mr gove , i'm afraid, don't trust mr gove, i'm afraid, although mr gove is not to here defend himself. >> no he's not. such allegations and has been great minister

and he has been a great minister and he has been a great minister and because of the and trust him because of the knifing boris, presumably. knifing of boris, presumably. >> well, that was all. that's all part of it. but it's a complex like all complex picture, like like all of these things are. but all i can say is that that is an issue that has raised with me. that has been raised with me. all right. >> okay. that's an issue. her >> okay. so that's an issue. her closeness to gove potentially. yeah. with one yeah. do you agree with one former minister who said former cabinet minister who said this know is this week we know rishi is absolutely useless, but replacing him now would be an extraordinary of self—sabotage. >> don't agree actually. >> i don't agree actually. i mean, i think there's time to turn things around with a new leader. yes i do, i mean, remember boris took over in june 2019. >> i know, but are you still lighting a candle for boris johnson? is this really. >> it's not about boris. i mean, bofis >> it's not about boris. i mean, boris could be part of a team, by the way. i think i would make him vice chairman if he wants it to campaign in the red wall as part of a new leadership team. but he's not an mp. it's not really to bring him but he's not an mp. it's not realljat to bring him but he's not an mp. it's not realljat this to bring him but he's not an mp. it's not realljat this point.ring him back at this point. >> okay, so who would head up a new leadership team then? if not? well i would look suella not? well i would look to suella braverman has

braverman and i think she has been brave in the country. is she? >> well remember maggie thatcher wasn't popular. i think she wasn't very popular. i think she says gutsy things. says a lot of gutsy things. >> the next thatcher. >> suella the next thatcher. i mean, people in mean, actually people today in the have kemi as the papers have cited kemi as being next thatcher. she's being the next thatcher. she's very ideologically. very clear ideologically. >> , you know, >> she, she, you know, she's black white. makes some, black and white. she makes some, you tough decisions. you know, tough decisions. cammy, which do and cammy, which i do admire. and there is characteristic there is that characteristic isn't so marmite but isn't suella just so marmite but uh, to some extent as again as thatcher was, but i mean also jacob priti patel, thatcher was, but i mean also jacob priti patel , you thatcher was, but i mean also jacob priti patel, you know, there's a number of. yes jacob rees—mogg. >> jacob goes down well on the council of states of the uk. >> funnily enough, i think he doesin >> funnily enough, i think he does in a kind of farage way. he's quite popular with builders decorators, with taxi drivers, you know, um , i mean, maybe you know, um, i mean, maybe let's not write him off. >> presenter on gb news, but not necessarily as prime minister. >> well, i think much as i'm fond of, to be honest, you know, i believe in the strength of polling. you have to kind of look at the polling and see how he plays. >> king of polling. i'm intrigued your response

intrigued by your response to this. poll in the this. we have that poll in the telegraph, which was a yougov poll that was carried out by an organisation called the conservative alliance. conservative britain alliance. now, linked to now, this has been linked to peter cruddas, who is a donor of the organisation of the cd0. the organisation of which your chairman. so is there a up with the conservative a link up with the conservative britain alliance? who are these people? >> no, he made clear. i asked >> no, he made it clear. i asked him he said it's him directly. he said it's nothing with him. and he nothing to do with him. and he hasn't put any money in. so it's not people are not him. well, people are thrashing around to try and find out. number 10 is thrashing around to find out. around trying to find out. >> we'll try. as a former rishi sunak who's across sunak adviser who's gone across to organisation, know to this organisation, i know seems to unseat the seems to want to unseat the prime minister, who else might be involved? >> well, there theories >> well, there are some theories about of advisers, about a group of advisers, former advisers being mentioned. i don't know if dominic cummings is in there. i'm not saying i'm not saying he is. hang on a minute. but he is a former adviser. >> lord frost has been linked to this polling . so i mean, it's this polling. so i mean, it's lord frost, somebody that you would back as a future leader. >> i i know him very well, >> i think i know him very well, but but, but he's i don't think

he wrote you know, i don't think he's running this outfit. i think he just wrote the op ed that went with it actually. really commenting on the poll . really commenting on the poll. um, it's not his outfit. i have discussed it briefly with him . discussed it briefly with him. um, no, it's a mystery , um, no, it's a mystery, actually, but there may be some disaffected donors out there. there's quite a few, i'm afraid, at the moment. uh, behind it. but i think the message is very clear. this poll is seven times the normal size of a poll , clear. this poll is seven times the normal size of a poll, and it says we're heading for a cliff. you know, it's catastrophe time . and, you know, catastrophe time. and, you know, i praise simon clarke for being brave enough to say he made him do it, didn't embarrass himself a bit last week. >> i mean, maybe he wanted to take others over the top, and he just looked a lone wolf out there. >> it's not he didn't do it for that point of view. it's i think this is a bit like a volcano. there's an awful lot going on underneath surface. you underneath the surface. and you get a few explosions here and there, like the simon clarke article, which is unexpected. i didn't expect um is this didn't expect that. um is this not because you don't not just because you don't

really rishi and you really like rishi sunak and you never him prime never wanted him to be prime minister because the minister because he wasn't the grassroots it's not grassroots choice? it's not personal i mean, ceo's personal to him. i mean, ceo's view is that no one elected him. i mean, the members didn't elect him elect him . him and mps didn't elect him. um, so it was a bit of an appointment really. and that doesn't help when it comes to these stores . as you know, you these stores. as you know, you have roots . it's not have shallow roots. it's not personal him. there is a lack personal to him. there is a lack of democracy by mps, but obviously didn't to the obviously it didn't go to the country, to speak. country, so to speak. >> didn't go to the >> it didn't go to the membership at that point. for the second round, after he the second time round, after he lost liz truss. yeah, lost to liz truss. but yeah, i mean, the other argument, of course, that, the course, is, is that, yes, the tories are, according to the pollsters, almost certain pollsters, facing almost certain electoral maybe even pollsters, facing almost certain elect a al maybe even pollsters, facing almost certain electa bad maybe even pollsters, facing almost certain electa bad electoralybe even pollsters, facing almost certain electa bad electoral drubbing such a bad electoral drubbing that go back to the days of that we go back to the days of 1997 therefore , if you 1997 and therefore, if you listen to the campaign director, isaac levido, it's quite compelling for him to say , well, compelling for him to say, well, it's case of unite die , and it's a case of unite or die, and there's the cd0, your group, and there's the cd0, your group, and there's these other caucuses there's all these other caucuses trying the prime trying to unseat the prime minister time the minister at a time when the party's vulnerable . you party's already vulnerable. you might actually be pushing it further extinction.

further towards extinction. i don't think so, because we've got to be realistic. >> these are not rogue polls. you know , we're now stuck on 20. you know, we're now stuck on 20. we're roughly behind labour. we're 24, roughly behind labour. um this is wipe—out territory , um this is wipe—out territory, renee. and of course, reform has gone up four times since boris was in power. >> but aren't you also making that worse then? i mean, you're propelling reform forward. you're effectively just being a wrecker mean, no , you're wrecker here. i mean, no, you're putting your money on suella. who else is? >> well , suella who else is? >> well, suella and who else is? >> well , suella and others, you >> well, suella and others, you know, there's a number of who else, but. well, as i say, jacob and pretty i think more centre right ? no, tell you what, the right? no, i tell you what, the way look at i'm way i look at it, i'm a marketing man. we are missing conservative voters. they're on strike. look at those last strike. you look at those last four by elections. uh, it wasn't a swing to labour. one of them actually went against labour. mid beds. i it was. but mid beds. i think it was. but you had 20,000 missing tories, and every single one of those by. well, not apathy. i think it was a concern . voters show their was a concern. voters show their disapproval by turning up disapproval by not turning up right if you had the right right now. if you had the right leader that appealed that

leader that appealed to that sensibility, right sensibility, with the right policies , his i mean, even when policies, his i mean, even when sunak and talk about sunak and hunt talk about cutting taxes is they're not now believed because four months ago they were saying wasn't possible. >> let's see what's put in >> so let's see what's put in the budget. >> so let's see what's put in the finalet. >> so let's see what's put in the final question that helps are >> final question that helps are the best people to lead this organisation the right ? organisation on the right? >> um, a sort of dream ticket of bofis >> um, a sort of dream ticket of boris johnson and nigel farage. >> i'd like to see nigel come back to the conservative party. he beckenham conservatives he was beckenham conservatives and a tory. a and he is a tory. he's a thatcherite tory. >> um, him and boris teaming up be an ideal situation for people in the city? >> well, the polls show they would. but boris isn't an mp. nigel is not an mp either. but so i think you can get them involved. i think what i'd like to see is a strong eurosceptic team that wins back the brexit voters that have gone missing. >> okay, so you're going to carry on the fight against the prime minister effectively. that's what i'm getting from you this morning. >> i'm so. it's not >> well, i'm afraid so. it's not a pretty thing to do. but actually for the good of the country party, do not

country and the party, we do not want years of labour. that's want ten years of labour. that's an that's an utter disaster. and that's where we're and where we're heading. and i remember as a candidate in remember that as a candidate in 2001, we one net tory mp gain. >> david campbell—bannerman, thank you very much indeed for joining morning. well, joining me this morning. well, we're speaking about we're going to be speaking about trump a moment. trump in just a moment. but first, the weather. well first, here's the weather. well thank you very much for joining me i'll of course be back me today. i'll of course be back next sunday 930. >> for a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news as . on gb news as. >> hello there and greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest eb news, weather. >> we've got rain pushing across central areas through the next 24 hours, which could be heavy at times, so wind is starting to

ease a little bit. looking at the bigger picture, it's this area low pressure which will area of low pressure which will bnng area of low pressure which will bring to parts of bring the heavy rain to parts of wales, northern england. as we move through into monday, but it does for the does clear into tuesday for the rest of clearer skies rest of sunday. clearer skies across scotland after a windy day and exceptional temperatures record breaking. in fact, close to 20 celsius here overnight . we to 20 celsius here overnight. we can see that rain across parts of wales, northern england, setting in to the south of this fairly mild 678 degrees. a touch of frost under the clear skies for scotland, will be for scotland, where we will be greeted some sunshine to greeted by some sunshine to start the day. but parts of wales into northern england it's going to be a grey, dull day. outbreaks of rain, which will only turn heavy as we move through afternoon . some through into the afternoon. some localised is possible . localised flooding is possible. some wet snow over the high ground cloudy the south ground. too cloudy to the south of mild . highs of this mild. highs of 14 celsius. sunny in northern ireland and scotland . here ireland and scotland. here temperatures near average for the time of year 6 or 7. monday's rain will eventually clear through tuesday morning but leaves a legacy of cloud across england and wales. sunny

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gb news away. >> good evening . away. >> good evening. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . a wenzler in the gb newsroom. a murder probe has been launched after two teenage boys died following a stabbing attack in bristol . the 15 and 16 year olds bristol. the 15 and 16 year olds were attacked in the south of the city yesterday morning. avon and somerset police say a group

of people fled the scene by car. both boys died in hospital early hours of this morning. a 44 year old man and a 15 year old boy have been arrested and remain in custody. bristol commander superintendent mark runacres says the investigation has already begun collecting statements . statements. >> a murder inquiry has been launched by the major crime investigation team and two people have already been arrested and are currently in police custody . i'd like to police custody. i'd like to reassure people we will leave no stone unturned in our efforts to catch those responsible for this reprehensible attack and provide answers to the victim's families . we're in the early stages of our enquiry. we've already identified a number of witnesses who we will be taking statements from. there is anyone who has information who hasn't yet spoken to us. we'd urge them to contact us or crime stoppers anonymously . anonymously. >> now, defence secretary grant shapps says the uk remains undaunted by yesterday's illegal attack on hms diamond. ministry

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