the brink of world war iii.7 you tell me. of course, that comes after those us soldiers were killed in that drone strike in jordan. what do you make to it all.7 also jordan. what do you make to it all? also tonight , the debates all? also tonight, the debates on the rwanda plan has commenced in the house of lords. you guess what was happening next, right? people archbishop people like archbishop of canterbury speaking canterbury justin welby speaking out against it. of course. will this bill pass an amended or not? at and today a video has emerged of the jewish community patrol shomrim . they was patrol shomrim. they was basically tackling a suspect to the ground who apparently had been linked to a knife attack. it got me thinking, you know, this country at the moment when it crime, it's a mess. it comes to crime, it's a mess. we've era of low policing we've got an era of low policing numbers. we've got slower. 999 responses and frequent knife attacks. so let me ask you this. do you think we need more and broader street patrols? is this the start the way to finally start tackling crime ? maybe think tackling crime? maybe think neighbourhood watch schemes on steroids? about a return to steroids? what about a return to the of the guardian angels? the days of the guardian angels? do remember that? would that do you remember that? would that be advisable or not? and you know what? doom and

know what? it's all doom and gloom. so let's bring in some good positivity. the good news. some positivity. the king prince of wales king and the prince of wales have from have been released from hospital. health hospital. have their health scares the scares connected? you to the monarchy? more . yes, monarchy? much more. yes, indeed. i've got all of that to come in the next hour and more. but before we get stuck into it, let's cross live for tonight's latest news, news headlines with polly middlehurst. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. well, the top story from the gp newsroom tonight is that leicestershire police has referred itself to the watchdog over the police watchdog over its investigation assaults that investigation into assaults that were committed by were allegedly committed by waldo calocane in the weeks before he killed three people in nottingham . it follows a special nottingham. it follows a special review ordered into the nhs mental health trust, which treated the 32 year old valdo calocane was given a hospital order after he was found to be suffering from paranoid schizophrenia when he killed

three people in nottingham and attempted to kill three others. and in other news today, two more people aged 20 and 22 have been arrested in connection with the deaths of two teenage boys who were fatally stabbed in bristol at the weekend . floral bristol at the weekend. floral tributes have been laid at the scene where 15 year old mason rist and 16 year old max dixon died after being attacked by a group of people on saturday night . a 44 year old man and night. a 44 year old man and a 15 year old boy have already been arrested and they remain in custody. police said. the investigation is progressing and they're committed to holding those responsible to account . those responsible to account. >> the team investigating this awful incident are working around the clock to identify those involved and develop a full understanding of what happened, and i fully expect that we will be making more arrests due course . these arrests in due course. these were young men who had their were two young men who had their whole of them, whole lives in front of them, and our thoughts are with their families at this extremely difficult time have difficult time. we have

specialist officers in place, providing them with support and keeping the family informed of developments as international news. >> and there are fears this evening that tensions in the middle east could escalate after a drone attack killed three american troops and injured 34 others in jordan . the prime others in jordan. the prime minister has urged iran to work towards de—escalating the situation, while president biden has vowed to hold those responsible to account . but responsible to account. but tehran did respond today , saying tehran did respond today, saying it wasn't behind the attack and instead it accused america of trying to incite and expand the crisis in the middle east. it's fuelled fears now of a wider conflict in the region, and the foreign secretary here, lord cameron, said the attacks were unacceptable today we've issued sanctions against seven individuals and one organisation, nation connected with iran because , frankly, they with iran because, frankly, they were carrying out threats to kill people here in this country. >> completely unacceptable . and >> completely unacceptable. and that's why we've acted . these that's why we've acted. these sanctions are asset freezes and

travel bans and this is now comes on top of 400 individuals connected with iran that we've issued sanctions on in the past. it's completely unacceptable behaviour. and we will always respond rapidly and well. >> the news here at home, police are trying to trace a mother after a stillborn baby was found in a pub toilet in yorkshire. the baby girl was discovered at three horseshoes near leeds yesterday. detectives say the baby's death was attributable to a stillbirth that may have happened while in the cubicle. detective chief inspector james entwistle says police are now very concerned for the mother's welfare. >> i'm not here to arrest you. i'm not here to arrest anyone else. i'm here to make sure i understand what's happened and make sure that you get the medical attention that you need. and so i'm appealing to the mother of this baby girl directly . please get in touch directly. please get in touch with us. get in touch with our nhs colleagues, and please make sure that we can get you the

care that you need. >> james entwistle speaking there. now, the rwanda bill is back in the house of lords today with the country's safety once again being questioned. the former tory minister, kenneth clarke , is among those refusing clarke, is among those refusing to support the bill unless it's substantially amended. the second reading in the house of lords follows a busy weekend for border force officials as well, with gb news understanding around 350 illegal migrants crossed the english channel, taking the total to over 1000 people. so far this year. well, the archbishop of canterbury, justin welby , said we must do as justin welby, said we must do as a nation better than this bill. >> the government is continuing to seek good objectives in the wrong way by leading the nation down a damaging path . it is down a damaging path. it is damaging for asylum seekers in need of protection and safe and legal routes to be heard. for this. it is damaging for this country's reputation, which , if

country's reputation, which, if it contradicts even as late as last week, where the prime minister himself spoke eloquently on the value and importance of international law for this country. >> justin welby now the king has left hospital in central london after spending three nights there following a procedure to treat an enlarged prostate. it's expected his majesty could take up to a month off his public dufies up to a month off his public duties when he continues with his convalescence . meanwhile, his convalescence. meanwhile, the princess of wales has been recovering from planned abdominal surgery, has also been discharged from hospital. today. she's returned to her home in windsor and is said to be making good progress after her operation . and lastly, the prime operation. and lastly, the prime minister said today he's taking strong action to protect children from vaping during a school visit in county durham, rishi sunak said he wants to stamp out the habit among young people by banning disposable vapes. it's understood the ban

will come into force within the next year. if you're watching on tv and you'd like the latest news stories, sign up for gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. this is britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> thank you very much for that, polly. i am michelle dewberry and i'm with you right through till 7:00 tonight. very welcome to panel. leader of to my panel. the leader of reform richard tice and the reform uk richard tice and the political strategist and former labour councillor , kevin craig. labour councillor, kevin craig. good evening to both of you gentlemen. know the gentlemen. and you know the drill, don't you? it's not just about us. sorry it's very much about us. sorry it's very much about you guys at home as well. what's on your mind tonight? you can get in touch with me all the usual vaiews@gbnews.com can get in touch with me all the usual email vaiews@gbnews.com can get in touch with me all the usual email vai you ngnews.com can get in touch with me all the usual email vai you ngrtweetom can get in touch with me all the usual email vai you ngrtweet me is my email. or you can tweet me x whatever we want to call it x me whatever we want to call it these days at gb news. the thing that's got talking already that's got you talking already tonight, want you to tonight, i want to i want you to ponder in our country. ponder this in our country. let's face it, crime is an absolute mess at the moment, particularly when it comes to

violent crime. so what we're going it then? i'm going to do about it then? i'm asking do you think what we asking, do you think what we need is more kind of need more of is more kind of street patrols? i don't know, whatever you to them. whatever you want to call them. neighbourhood steroids. whatever you want to call them. neigrememberi steroids. whatever you want to call them. neigremember the steroids. whatever you want to call them. neigremember the days steroids. whatever you want to call them. neigremember the days of teroids. whatever you want to call them. neigremember the days of the ds. you remember the days of the guardian angels with the red berets? of you already? berets? one of you already? trev, with trev, you've been in touch with me saying you used to be one of those guardian angels back in the wouldn't the day, but you wouldn't necessarily work necessarily think it would work in age, would it? in this day and age, would it? get touch? because to me, get in touch? because to me, criminals just seem to be a little bit too emboldened. especially all these people wandering around with knives and just doing. they can wandering around with knives and juswhatever they can wandering around with knives and juswhatever they they can wandering around with knives and juswhatever they want.�*|ey can wandering around with knives and juswhatever they want. quite n do whatever they want. quite frankly. get touch with frankly. so get in touch with your thoughts that. be your thoughts on that. we'll be coming bit later on in coming to that a bit later on in the programme, but for now, the big mean, this whole big news, i mean, this whole conversation world war three, conversation of world war three, let's listen . let's have a little listen. donald has been donald trump, he has been speaking it through speaking out about it through weakness and incompetence . weakness and incompetence. >> joe biden has brought us to the brink of world war iii. we're at the brink of world war iii. are we? >> i mean, of course, in case you are not familiar, this comes off the back of three us troops

essentially have been killed by a drone strike in a us base in jordan. um, richard tice, where are you on this notion of kind of world war are we are we? of world war iii? are we are we? i was to say sleepwalking i was going to say sleepwalking into it. some people would say we're you know, head we're hurtling, you know, head first, you it first, feet first, you name it into . into it. >> well, all hope we're not >> well, we all hope we're not absolutely . and we all want absolutely. and we all want peace the bullying peace apart from the bullying dictators around the world. the difficulty that just moment difficulty is that just moment as how we how we maintain as to how we how we maintain peace in an increasingly difficult world. and i think many will say those who support donald trump will say when he was president, actually there were no foreign wars and he kept america and the west out of foreign wars . and i do subscribe foreign wars. and i do subscribe to the view that had he won the 2020 election, there's no way putin would have gone into ukraine. i don't think that that iran would have funded some of these middle east and militia groups. and the way they have, because of course, it was trump that actually pulled america away from the sort of the global deal with iran . when went

deal with iran. when biden went back funded them with back into that funded them with billions of dollars. the reality is to maintain peace, you've got to have a strong that to have a strong deterrent that the dictators respect and fear. and at the moment that clearly has failed. and you think that strong deterrent would be trump ? strong deterrent would be trump? well, it's clearly, i think, a lot stronger than than with joe biden. it's not a coincidence that when trump was in power, there were there was none of these incursions, ins invasions and now biden's been in power. he's perceived as weak. he caved in to iran and other international pressure. and we see what the horrific consequences are. we all know look, the reality is it's tough to say. and it sounds difficult, but actually the best way to guarantee peace is for our enemies to respect and fear the deterrent and know that we're prepared for war. >> where are you on it, kevin? well uh, i always like to help gb news. >> and when we say what donald trump said today, we should

always add convicted sex offender multiple times a liar, right? so let's add that to donald trump. >> but hold on. do you do that for every single person that you reference when you're talking about do you add all about somebody, do you add all these on or is these bits and pieces on or is it with him, with donald trump? >> because i think he's such a negative influence both on the united states and the world. and i think if he's going to united states and the world. and i thira if he's going to united states and the world. and i thira bulletin,3's going to united states and the world. and i thira bulletin, we joing to united states and the world. and i thira bulletin, we need to lead a bulletin, we need to remember he's been indicted for trying to overturn election results united states. trying to overturn election resu he united states. trying to overturn election resu he is united states. trying to overturn election resu he is it's united states. trying to overturn election resu he is it's onited states. trying to overturn election resu he is it's on the states. trying to overturn election resu he is it's on the record. and he is it's on the record. he's proven sex offender. so he's a proven sex offender. so that this context . right, that this context. right, because you're asking us, what do we think? there going to do we think? is there going to be iii? no i don't be world war iii? no i don't believe so, because i think a lot of what comes out of donald trump's mouth is rubbish. now, to some of the more to come on to some of the more serious and point good points that know, is that richard made you know, is the safer with trump the world safer with the trump president? think donald trump president? i think donald trump is actually dangerous for us in this country because he doesn't believe . he doesn't believe in nato. he doesn't believe in nato. he doesn't believe in nato. he doesn't believe in the alliance that has kept this country. >> so, kevin, where's the evidence for that?

>> richard, i didn't interrupt you. and i've got a load of what you. and i've got a load of what you was codswallop up. so you said was codswallop up. so please that same respect back. >> i can see this show is >> i can see where this show is going. >> we're going to be very well behaved tonight. but it's so donald know, he is donald trump, you know, he is just whatever comes just saying whatever comes out of sun town gob of his to of that sun town gob of his to get himself re—elected. and he's actually dangerous one actually the dangerous one for his on the alliance as his policy on the alliance as this country safe . well he he he this country safe. well he he he he's the one who threatened to remove america's funding of the nonh remove america's funding of the north atlantic alliance. wasn't that less about him agreeing with nato and more about the fact that he would say that many of the member states, i think it's only seven out of the 30 odd, actually meet their spending commitments. >> and he would argue, and therefore the us end up sticking their hands deeper in their pockets to bail out the countries that can't even afford to themselves. wasn't to pay for themselves. wasn't that his issue? >> different levels >> there were different levels of of nato. i think of funding of nato. i think germany was one but, germany was one example. but, you know, it's not. >> but was his issue, >> but that was his issue, wasn't his was, why am wasn't it? his issue was, why am i your lot when you

i paying for your lot when you won't even pay for yourself? so it that didn't agree it wasn't that he didn't agree with was the funding. with nato. it was the funding. am i wrong? with nato. it was the funding. am no. rong? with nato. it was the funding. am no. the? with nato. it was the funding. am no. the facts are as you put them. >> but is it the right thing? so in other words, hang on. >> let's clear. >> let's be clear. >> michelle is right. >> michelle is right. >> you are completely wrong on that. >> you are completely wrong on tha no, no. sorry, kevin. >> no, no. sorry, kevin. >> no, no. sorry, kevin. >> you've had your say. are you his mate? have met him? his mate? have you met him? >> never met him. i've >> i've never met him. i've never to him. >> i've never met him. i've never wouldo him. >> i've never met him. i've never would you n. >> i've never met him. i've never would you say? i mean, >> why would you say? i mean, the reality is. and i let you 90, the reality is. and i let you go, i'm not. and i've let you go, so i'm not. and i've let you had peek. i'm not letting had a good peek. i'm not letting youshe's in charge, not you. >> she's in charge, not you. >> she's in charge, not you. >> is called michelle and michelle. >> i talking you, michelle. >> with respect. right? i'm telling him, right. >> richard. >> don't tell him he's richard. i'm michelle, interrupted. >> don't tell him he's richard. i'm michelle. interrupted. >> don't tell him he's richard. i'm michelle. iyou'reited. >> michelle. and you're in charge, right? >> i in charge. so finish charge, right? >> i point| charge. so finish charge, right? >> i point and rge. so finish charge, right? >> i point and thenso finish charge, right? >> i point and then you 1ish charge, right? >> i point and then you can come your point and then you can come back in. >> so the this fallacy that >> so the idea this fallacy that the is safer with the world is safer with a president a he's proven president who's a he's a proven liar he doesn't talk with liar and he doesn't talk with respect alliances respect about the alliances kept us world war two. us safe since world war two. >> right. us safe since world war two. >> ringust me understand us safe since world war two. >> fisijust me understand us safe since world war two. >> fis he st me understand us safe since world war two. >> fis he being me understand us safe since world war two. >> fis he being disrespectful nd us safe since world war two. >> fis he being disrespectful to how is he being disrespectful to nato versus because i'm not heanng nato versus because i'm not hearing disrespect to hearing him being disrespect to nato? i'm hearing nato? what i'm hearing him say is the that are not is to the people that are not

meeting their spending commitments he commitments on defence, he is saying, bailing saying, i'm tired of bailing you out. threatened to pull the >> but he threatened to pull the united out of nato united states out of nato because he's tired of having to pick tab responsible. pick up the tab responsible. or do to your fellow do you talk to your fellow leaders and say, guys , what leaders and you say, guys, what can you your can we do to help you put your your share in? >> well, would that >> well, i would suggest that those conversations perhaps those conversations are perhaps being still those conversations are perhaps beirdoing still those conversations are perhaps beirdoing it. still those conversations are perhaps beirdoing it. hence, still those conversations are perhaps beirdoing it. hence, he's still those conversations are perhaps beirdoing it. hence, he's nowl not doing it. hence, he's now got point the last got to the point of the last resort. but anyway, richard, bnng resort. but anyway, richard, bring back in. resort. but anyway, richard, brirlook, back in. resort. but anyway, richard, brirlook, ba> e- e— e would you be? >> indeed. would you be? >> indeed. would you be? >> and i think in a dangerous world, regrettable. we actually we increase our defence we need to increase our defence spending there's many spending because there's so many different technological challenges. at end, challenges. at the one end, you've got old fashioned tank

warfare, the other end you've got drone warfare and other new technologies . so it's really technologies. so it's really difficult. >> yeah. would you be in a partnership where you had to continuously pick up the tab for the other partners because they wouldn't pay their way? >> uh , no. >> uh, no. >> uh, no. >> no . so why i talk to them? >> no. so why i talk to them? why guys, guys, i'd say a collective of safety in a dangerous world full of evil people. yeah it relies on us all chipping in. >> and what if they looked at and went, yeah, yeah, yeah, we agree. and off they went. and it didn't make blind bit of didn't make a blind bit of difference. talk them difference. and you talk to them again, then to them again, then you talk to them again. would do. again. then what would you do. >> trump's not >> but donald trump's not somebody does >> but donald trump's not sotalkody does >> but donald trump's not sotalk toy does >> but donald trump's not sotalk to fellow does >> but donald trump's not sotalk to fellow leaders does >> but donald trump's not sotalk to fellow leaders like does that. >> so think you're right. >> he doesn't. but the reality is he was sick and tired of that approach being tried and failing. and he just approached it in a different way. and i think getting results. think he's getting results. i just the evidence here, just look at the evidence here, which when he was in which is that when he was in charge, peaceful charge, it was a more peaceful world. four years, richard, four years, years, no , four years, four years, no, four years. and we've nearly had four years. and we've nearly had four years of a biden presidency in

which the world now feels, i think most would agree, a lot less safe place. think most would agree, a lot les:well�* place. think most would agree, a lot les:well ,:)lace. think most would agree, a lot les:well , i ace. think most would agree, a lot les:well , i there are many >> well, i there are many millions of people who would respectfully say that they did not feel that with trump with his finger over the nuclear button, that it felt a safer place. but isn't the whole point of having a nuclear button that you actually think that you would have somebody that the would have somebody that has the chops , for want of a cruder chops, for want of a cruder phrase, to . actually press that phrase, to. actually press that button when you've got someone like a jeremy corbyn type on the other side of the coin agreed when asked and would you when asked and said, would you use button? use this button? >> well, of course not, >> well, no, of course not, because into kind because i'm not into those kind of got to think that >> but we've got to think that the person in charge use that. >> you do, but you also don't. we want our world leaders to be people can and respect people we can admire and respect and with and okay, the problem with donald how he donald trump is, look how he talks about women. the guy, he's just not. also to just not. he also tried to overturn election. overturn a democratic election. who can can support that? who can who can support that? oh, fake. this oh, this is a fake. this election going election was stolen. he's going around america the around america saying the election was stolen. do we believe that here tonight?

>> but is this a is this a is this a debate about him as an individual the individual or actually the geopolitical challenges the world faces and how we avoid and the horrific descent into something akin to a global war? >> and i think these are for me. i just think we've got to have a strong, robust debate . gerente. strong, robust debate. gerente. and that is the way that bullies rule. i respect that, but what is that deterrent then? >> it's like for, for example, that deterrent that deterrent is being strong at every level. >> so it's having strong well equipped, well trained, armed forces ready to defend the western interests as a collective. that's that's what it is . and that goes from it is. and that goes from bluntly boots on the ground all the way up to the sort of the, the, the greatest, uh, defence of all most. but also the most horrific, which is the nuclear deterrent. it's that full spectrum at the moment. what we've got is we've got a nuclear deterrent, but actually, i feel the uk , for example, is very

the uk, for example, is very weak in terms of its ability to deploy. we can't even deploy two aircraft carriers. we paid £8 billion for because we haven't got ships and the sailors to got the ships and the sailors to protect them. indeed the protect them. and indeed the dangers for aircraft carriers, for are much greater for example, are much greater than when they than they were when they were designed built. and this is designed and built. and this is part of the technological i mean, we're going mean, you know, if we're going to about the way that our to talk about the way that our armed been neglected to talk about the way that our ar|the been neglected to talk about the way that our ar|the last been neglected to talk about the way that our ar|the last 14 been neglected to talk about the way that our ar|the last 14 years, een neglected to talk about the way that our ar|the last 14 years, ian neglected to talk about the way that our ar|the last 14 years, i thinkjlected in the last 14 years, i think we'll find a high degree of agreement between us. >> you in favour of, uh, >> and are you in favour of, uh, the nuclear deterrence in the form trident ? form of trident? >> is that something that you think nuclear deterrent is think the nuclear deterrent is essential to our to our safety of this country? >> i it's absolutely >> i think it's absolutely pivotal. i think we as a, um, it's a horrific weapon , but we it's a horrific weapon, but we have to have it and we have to have to have it and we have to have leaders who the, the, the evil people in the world believe it would seriously be considered. nobody would ever want you know, want to use it. but, you know, the is full of mad, bad the world is full of mad, bad and dangerous people. the world is full of mad, bad ancand gerous people. the world is full of mad, bad ancand is rous people. the world is full of mad, bad ancand is that people. the world is full of mad, bad ancand is that keirile. the world is full of mad, bad ancand is that keir starmer then >> and is that keir starmer then so starmer in your so would keir starmer in your mind? would he be mind? you know him? would he be that is that person? that absolutely is willing that button? that person? that absolutely is wilihe's that button? that person? that absolutely is wilihe's been that button? that person? that absolutely is wilihe's been veryat button? that person? that absolutely is wilihe's been very articulate >> he's been very articulate about of nuclear

about the horror of nuclear weapons and his willingness to protect of protect the people of this country. >> you you're you run a political party. would be political party. would you be willing wanting to push that willing and wanting to push that button you had to the button if you if you had to the key thing is, sense, to key thing is, in a sense, to ensure that no leader is in that position . position. >> the way you do that is to have really strong , well have really strong, well equipped armed forces across the western world so that people actually know i got that. >> but i was asking you, if you was in that position as that leader, you run the political party ultimately, if you're in charge of running a country, you've that nuclear you've got that nuclear deterrent and way create deterrent and the way you create respect and fear is, is in the worst scenario, your enemy worst case scenario, your enemy knows you'd be prepared to worst case scenario, your enemy knorit. you'd be prepared to worst case scenario, your enemy knorit. what ou'd be prepared to worst case scenario, your enemy knorit. what dod be prepared to worst case scenario, your enemy knorit. what do you prepared to worst case scenario, your enemy knorit. what do you make red to worst case scenario, your enemy knorit. what do you make toi to worst case scenario, your enemy knorit. what do you make to ito use it. what do you make to it all? get in touch with me in to order cheery start to my first day been off ill for day back, i've been off ill for the days looking at the the last few days looking at the news agenda today, was like, news agenda today, i was like, what, iii? what is news agenda today, i was like, what, on? iii? what is news agenda today, i was like, what, on? what iii? what is news agenda today, i was like, what, on? what do ? what is news agenda today, i was like, what, on? what do you1at is news agenda today, i was like, what, on? what do you make to going on? what do you make to it? do you take this conversation about what what donald trump is saying seriously? do sit there and seriously? do you sit there and think, something seriously? do you sit there and thinworried something seriously? do you sit there and thinworried about? something seriously? do you sit there and thinworried about? ornething seriously? do you sit there and thinworried about? or do hing seriously? do you sit there and thinworried about? or do you i'm worried about? or do you just think everyone quite just think everyone just quite frankly, needs to calm down a

little tell coming frankly, needs to calm down a litt after tell coming frankly, needs to calm down a litt after break, coming frankly, needs to calm down a litt after break, the coming frankly, needs to calm down a litt after break, the rwanda up after the break, the rwanda plan, of course. now conversations have commenced in the lords about this. the house of lords about this. do think this bill pass do you think this bill will pass , unamended or not? tell me. i'll you in two.

earlier on. gb news radio . earlier on. gb news radio. >> hello there. i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company till 7:00 tonight alongside me, the leader of reform uk richard tice a political strategist as well former labour well and former labour councillor kevin craig. uh, we're smiling because when we go to a break, we do like to read what people have to say. >> i just want to say, michelle, thank you very much to everybody >> i just want to say, michelle, thathe'ou very much to everybody >> i just want to say, michelle, thathe warm ry much to everybody >> i just want to say, michelle, thathe warm wishes| to everybody >> i just want to say, michelle, thathe warm wishes thiszverybody >> i just want to say, michelle, thathe warm wishes this eveningy >> i just want to say, michelle, th feeling. rm wishes this eveningy is feeling. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> warmed em“ elm-— >> you've warmed the cockles of kevin your warm kevin craig with your warm words. that's all i can say . i words. that's all i can say. i do have my tongue in my cheek , do have my tongue in my cheek, perhaps. and i shall leave it to your imagination. you've your imagination. in case you've just let's move on, just tuned in, let's move on, shall we? the house of lords have been debating the

government's legislation have been debating the govern and t's legislation have been debating the governand i've legislation have been debating the governand i've got legislation have been debating the governand i've got to legislation have been debating the govern and i've got to say, slation have been debating the govern and i've got to say, it's on today, and i've got to say, it's been going so far the way you might have expected it to the archbishop of canterbury, justin welby. speaking out. welby. he has been speaking out. let's listen. let's have a listen. >> it is damaging for asylum seekers need of protection , seekers in need of protection, open and safe and legal routes to be heard for this, it is damaging for this country's reputation, which it contradicts even as late as last week, where the prime minister himself spoke eloquently on the value and import of international law for this country. i mean, where do we even begin with this ? we even begin with this? >> i'm sure you guys will have some strong thoughts at home, but tice start wherever but richard tice start wherever you want with this either the well—being piece or whatever you think is going to happen next in the house of lords with this rwanda bill. >> look, i want the house of lords their worst at lords to do their worst at delaying absurd legislation delaying this absurd legislation that make no difference to that will make no difference to whatsoever it's whatsoever. it's not a deterrent. it's the tories with their sort of ridiculous dead

cat strategy. they've wasted hundreds of millions of pounds. but i'm not fan of the house but i'm not a fan of the house of lords, so if they delay it, they the of house they delay the will of the house of elected of commons. the elected representatives, then it's an even greater excuse, frankly, to reform house of lords into reform the house of lords into something that is credible and sensible. that's my view. sensible. that's that's my view. the whatever the rwanda legislation, whatever they , whatever happens, no they do, whatever happens, no planes will take off before the election. it's not a deterrent, as seeing. we've had 1000 as we're seeing. we've had 1000 people dangerous people take that dangerous journey month of january. journey in the month of january. and sadly, at least five people have lost lives. it's have lost their lives. it's clearly deterrent. it's clearly not a deterrent. it's not to be a deterrent yet, not going to be a deterrent yet, is it, because it's not been enacted doesn't matter. enacted yet? doesn't matter. it's it out there it's the threat of it out there and still prepared to and people are still prepared to pay and people are still prepared to pay money risk their pay this money to risk their lives. some lose lives. and sadly, some lose their lives. >> know it's going >> they know it's going through the parliamentary process, the legislation, but we know, we know reporters know through gb news reporters in france, they view it in northern france, they view it as a joke. in northern france, they view it as iit'ske. in northern france, they view it as iit's a. in northern france, they view it as iit's a matter of ridicule, >> it's a matter of ridicule, a matter of i mean, it's matter of farce. i mean, it's like sort of old, not the 9:00 news comedy sketch. the whole thing ridiculous. once thing is ridiculous. but once it was once it's was passed, i mean, once it's been passed, mean, be the been passed, i mean, i'll be the i'll optimist the

panel >> so let's just assume and hope it gets passed and let's just assume hope these planes assume and hope these planes take you're take off the ground. you're telling fellow telling me that for some fellow in about to part in france who's about to part with it is, three grand with whatever it is, three grand or whatever to try and get to the uk, it wouldn't him. the uk, it wouldn't deter him. >> no, because he's going to play >> no, because he's going to play game and realise play the odds game and realise that few hundred that it's only a few hundred that it's only a few hundred that basically got that we've basically got committed to go there. there's 30 over 30 to 40,000 likely to come over in 2024. he'll take he or she will take their chances. that's the reality. >> or even simpler than that, he'll probably say take he'll probably say can't take malaria tablets because think he'll probably say can't take myou've:ablets because think he'll probably say can't take myou've gotzts because think he'll probably say can't take myou've got some:ause think he'll probably say can't take myou've got some kind think he'll probably say can't take myou've got some kind ofthink if you've got some kind of reason mean, going to reason, i mean, i'm going to stop i start planning stop before i start planning ease into people's heads anyway . ease into people's heads anyway. kevin, where well, kevin, where are you? well, i think find a strong level think you'll find a strong level of agreement between what? >> somebody from the reform party just said and the labour party just said and the labour party supporter who we're all looking at this thinking, this tory government has spent over £400 million so far. tory government has spent over £400 million so far . the old £400 million so far. the old jokes are the best. michel they've sent more home secretaries than they have illegal asylum seekers. boom, boom . and you know, it just boom. and you know, it just does. it won't work. and the

fact about deterrent is fact about the deterrent is right. it went right. it's even if it went through , it would affect 1% of through, it would affect 1% of people. now now is their high level of public concern about immigration, asylum . yes. and immigration, asylum. yes. and that's okay for people to feel like that. it's not racist to be worried about immigration and asylum. it's not racist to be worried about, um, crime is that people who shouldn't be here commit on the streets. but is there rwanda? what do you call it? a dead cat. and he's right, you it's joke. but you know, it's a joke. but people stopped listening to people have stopped listening to the have the conservative government have they? yeah, yeah. you've seen they? yeah, yeah. you've seen the opinion polls, have you? >> he's not michelle. >> he's not michelle. >> his lot may even come second in wellingborough. you know, in the by—election i do . the by—election i do, i do. >> um, let me ask you, let me put it to you. this though, >> um, let me ask you, let me put iyou'veu. this though, >> um, let me ask you, let me put iyou've got, is though, >> um, let me ask you, let me put iyou've got, um,ough, >> um, let me ask you, let me put iyou've got, um, vested two, you've got, um, vested interests, say , in interests, shall we say, in trying to essentially undermine tory party policy. there are a great deal of people, many of whom will be listening and watching to program, who watching to this program, who actually rwanda plan actually support the rwanda plan and actually, whoever and think that actually, whoever you political you are, whichever political spectrum part you sit on, you

should be coming together and helping, trying pass all this helping, trying to pass all this stuff try and get people on stuff to try and get people on those planes, and come up those planes, to try and come up with a deterrent. because you know we're getting the know what? we're getting to the point think we're point now. i think we're clutching because clutching at straws because nothing else is working. >> absolutely >> but you've absolutely said it, straws. so it, clutching at straws. so the remaining voters remaining conservative voters out want something to out there want something to happen. everybody is concerned, quite as as kevin's quite rightly, as as kevin's just said about the size of lawful immigration, the huge quantity of illegal immigration and but everyone is concerned that basically the tories , if that basically the tories, if they were succeeding in this, if they were succeeding in this, if they had stopped the boats which they had stopped the boats which the minister promised us the prime minister promised us last if they last year, if they had controlled immigration, which they brexit, they promised as part of brexit, then they wouldn't be where they are polls and wouldn't are in the polls and we wouldn't be in the polls. it be where we are in the polls. it is as simple as that. >> and what would your solution be then? how would you stop it? >> is actually >> so our solution is actually the kindest and most compassionate which compassionate solution, which is to out of the to safely pick up out of the dinghies the border force dinghies into the border force cutters and lawfully, which we're to do under we're allowed to do under international treaty law . take international treaty law. take them france, calais them back to france, to calais and dunkirk, and then have a

joint processing centre with france. them quickly and france. process them quickly and promptly, then persuade eu promptly, and then persuade eu leaders do the same in the leaders to do the same in the mediterranean . mediterranean. >> would you agree with that? >> would you agree with that? >> i think there's some interesting elements in that, actually. i mean, labour is very clear. is to clear. more officers is to tackle the gangs at source. the conservatives have been woeful on how long they take to process claims. i mean, the problem with this government and again, i think you'll find other parties agreeing, while make think you'll find other parties agvaliant while make think you'll find other parties agvaliant effort while make think you'll find other parties agvaliant effort to while make think you'll find other parties agvaliant effort to whilea make a valiant effort to give a conservative bit of balance. not that you are, but just for the sake of debate. right? people think this government. >> think bashing >> i just think they're bashing the just become a the tories are just become a kind it's almost like kind of sport. it's almost like people do almost an effort people do it in almost an effort to and cool little bit. >> no, no, no no, bit.— >> no, no, no no, i bit. >> no, no, no no, i mean bit.— >> no, no, no no, i mean it's going to take more than that to make look cool. make me look cool. >> right. ask your >> michel. right. ask your listeners and viewers. but the thing can't administer thing is, they can't administer this do it. they this lot. they can't do it. they shove our money up the wall, they right and do they waste it left, right and do it the pushback from it because the pushback from everybody why everybody else, no, that's why everybody else, no, that's why everybody their everybody is making it their mission and frustrate the mission to try and frustrate the process, the process process, extend the process and make convoluted make the process more convoluted and crying about

and complicate crying about this reason reason for one reason and that reason for one reason and that reason for one reason because they're reason only, because they're trying political capital trying to gain political capital against the tories, because it suits them personally . not it's suits them personally. not it's not political capital, not about political capital, michel. it's about how does this country govern country administer and govern itself. are much more itself. and there are much more effective ways to finally get a grip on immigration and asylum in the way that the tories haven't. >> i know, but this whole notion as well, it's about, oh, you know, what we do take the know, what we do is we take the list and we process people really put it to really quickly. i put it to people all the time. how on god's you process god's green earth do you process someone efficiently someone quickly and efficiently when they are proactive, discarded documents? but mean , i think we've had >> but i mean, i think we've had this discussion before . people this discussion before. people have that some have been doing that for some time. are time. the idea that people are deceitful a new thing. deceitful is not a new thing. there people who need who there are people who need who are in who are are genuinely in danger, who are fleeing. need to be fleeing. they need to be properly after and properly looked after and supported, safe routes. >> will. no one will ever >> no one will. no one will ever convince me until the day i die that someone is fleeing for their from france . i mean, their life from france. i mean, i go round the houses all i could go round the houses all the time, but look up next after me. original. i'll let you decide. up next. after me, of

course, is nigel farage. i think he now . good he joins us right now. good evening nigel. nigel evening to you, nigel. nigel i'll. i'll ask you this question. how do you think you process an asylum seeker quickly and that's and efficiently? that's proactively discarded all of their identity documents ? well their identity documents? well i don't, michel. >> i think the australians had this right in the end. they said, look, no one that comes via this route will ever be given refugee status . and i given refugee status. and i think we have to do the same. otherwise the incentives to come just seem to get bigger and bigger and bigger. and, you know, the archbishop of canterbury says we can do better than this as country. he than this as a country. well, he seems have no alternative seems to have no alternative whatsoever . but overall, i seems to have no alternative whatsoever. but overall, i don't think any of this works. all the while we stay part of the european convention on human rights because british judges will overrule everything. and that's my main debate tonight. >> well, we look forward to tuning in to that 7:00. we shall see you then. thanks for that, nigel. all right. also, i want to talk to you about the tories,

because what i found interesting today , richard walker. so in today, richard walker. so in case you're not familiar with him at home, he basically is the boss of iceland . uh, the boss of iceland. uh, the supermarket place. not uh, the geographical location, of course , he not that long ago blink. and you miss it? he was trying to be a tory mp. he was trying to be a tory mp. he was trying to be a tory mp. he was trying to be selected. and it didn't work out for . to be selected. and it didn't work out for. feels like to be selected. and it didn't work out for . feels like five work out for. feels like five minutes later, he's now decided that keir starmer is the man for him, and that the labour party is the right choice and the place for us. i mean, really is that kind of is that what's happened or is this just someone kind of politically posturing or what? >> well, this is a really interesting story. >> i mean, it is a fact that, uh, the ceo of iceland, who's who's linked to the family that founded business recently , founded the business recently, previously, recently in not too distant memory, was actively pursuing a safe, conservative seat in parliament. right. he he it's keir starmer today welcomed the fact that he's praising labour as a pro—business party. uh and you know, any party

welcome endorsements from successful business figures . successful business figures. they're going to do that. but, uh , is the boss of iceland . ed uh, is the boss of iceland. ed um , a man not unfamiliar with um, a man not unfamiliar with self—promotion? yes he is, um. and of course, keir is going to welcome it because it's great. you know, iceland. i was actually in iceland, the store this week, and there are other shops available, their shops available, but their bargains . bargains are tremendous. >> uh, on what you're doing in iceland was you genuinely looking bargains? iceland was you genuinely looking forgains? iceland was you genuinely looking for bargains? >> looking for bargains? >> looking for bargains? >> was pr no, no. >> was a pr no, no. >> clapham road . i just thought >> clapham road. i just thought it's £2 cheaper in there than it is next door. anyway. >> kevin, you're telling me that you was wandering clapham you was wandering down clapham high thought your high street and you thought your yourself road, iceland, yourself. clapham road, iceland, £2, i was, yeah, yeah i was, yeahi £2, i was, yeah, yeah i was, yeah i was. well you need to talk to me after the show because can you because i can help you save a small fortune. >> i'm the tightest person you'll ever encounter. >> after the and >> look after the pennies and the pounds. look after themselves. michelle, know themselves. michelle, you know that me. do >> so you talk to me. what do you think? because a lot of a lot about this lot has been made about this successful entrepreneur.

apparently to apparently defecting over to the labour it seems odd apparently defecting over to the la me' it seems odd apparently defecting over to the la me' you;eems odd apparently defecting over to the la me' you actually odd apparently defecting over to the la me' you actually dig)dd apparently defecting over to the la me' you actually dig into to me when you actually dig into the detail. >> it's a bit different, actually. joining as a actually. he's not joining as a member. going donate member. he's not going to donate to true, true, right. to the yes, true, true, right. he's said that in he's basically said that that in a endorses it, but he a sense he endorses it, but he wants maintain ability wants to maintain the ability to speak truth is, he's speak out the truth is, he's been a member of greenpeace since 2006. this actually is all about his approach to net zero. he disagrees with rishi sunak on that. he would fundamentally disagree with me because i think net zero is an absolute financial catastrophe for this country. that'll make no difference whatsoever to global climate change. that's the real reason why he's abandoned the conservatives. it's because of the approach on net zero, which is jobs and making us is destroying jobs and making us colder and poorer. >> one of your key tenants, that whole climate change. yeah. >> mean, think it's >> i mean, i think it's a different discussion, but i think and the green think net zero and the green economy offers the chance of loads of jobs and investment loads of new jobs and investment in parts of country that we in parts of this country that we all about . all care about. >> um, there's obviously >> um, and there's obviously a very big disagreement on the whole zero agenda between whole net zero agenda between folks like richard myself.

whole net zero agenda between folk yeah, richard myself. whole net zero agenda between folk yeah, iichard myself. whole net zero agenda between folkyeah, i mean, myself. whole net zero agenda between folkyeah, i mean, that'syself. whole net zero agenda between folkyeah, i mean, that's the f. whole net zero agenda between folkyeah, i mean, that's the ceo but yeah, i mean, that's the ceo of iceland is this the head of a major business? and he thinks that labour's got some good business policies. but let's do net zero and other night indeed rosemary's been in touch. >> she says i agree with you michelle. we want rwanda michelle. we want the rwanda plan to work. does feel like plan to work. it does feel like it's just tory bashing season. uh, give me your thoughts on that coming in. gb views at gb news. com. uh, sorry. i'm really interested in talking to you about break, simple about after the break, a simple question ask you when question i want to ask you when it comes to fighting crime , it comes to fighting crime, keeping the streets safer, do we need kind of community need more kind of community street patrols? think at it. in a neighbourhood watch on steroids. do you remember the guardian angels? do we need a return to those things or not? you me

earlier on, gb news. radio. >> hello there . welcome back to >> hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with me, michelle dewberry. we've got richard tice

and kevin craig remaining alongside me. let's get straight into my next topic, shall we? because i saw something today really kind of stopped me in my tracks. long story short, this really kind of stopped me in my tracitook�*ng story short, this really kind of stopped me in my tracitook a] story short, this really kind of stopped me in my tracitook a knife! short, this really kind of stopped me in my tracitook a knife and�*rt, this really kind of stopped me in my tracitook a knife and was1is guy took a knife and was threatening people and it was he was in was threatening people in a jewish shop. now he was jewish grocery shop. now he was then apparently the same person was detained by a jewish, uh, jewish voluntary street patrol group. they called shomrim. and then he was subsequently arrested. i'll leave that kind of case to one side just because it's an ongoing legal case. i can't really comment it. um, can't really comment on it. um, but of street but this premise of street patrols, community patrols , patrols, community patrols, volunteer people that are kind of on the streets, making our streets safe . i think it's streets safe. i think it's a really great idea . yeah, i think really great idea. yeah, i think it's working really effectively. in the case that i've just explained and broader than that. and i is it time then to and i think, is it time then to look richard, uh, deeper into, uh, things like, uh, whether it's things like, uh, whether it's things like, uh, guardian angels, he used uh, whether it's things like, uhhave guardian angels, he used uh, whether it's things like, uhhave the|rdian angels, he used uh, whether it's things like, uhhave the red n angels, he used uh, whether it's things like, uhhave the red beretsels, he used uh, whether it's things like, uhhave the red berets on he used uh, whether it's things like, uhhave the red berets on in used to have the red berets on in case not familiar, case people are not familiar, uh, ramping uh, whether it's ramping up neighbourhood schemes , neighbourhood watch schemes, these uh, schemes . these kind of, uh, schemes. where are you on them? >> i think actually, it's you've

got to look at all of stuff got to look at all of this stuff because is got to look at all of this stuff bec worst is got to look at all of this stuff bec worst of is got to look at all of this stuff bec worst of all is got to look at all of this stuff bec worst of all worlds, is got to look at all of this stuff bec worst of all worlds, where; the worst of all worlds, where that people are not feeling safe on their streets in their communities. there's less police on and the charging on the streets and the charging rate has collapsed. and the best thing is to prevent crime happening in the first place. and if that means actually voluntary groups, community groups looking out for each other, i think that's that's all a good thing. and in a sense , a good thing. and in a sense, thatis a good thing. and in a sense, that is probably going back to what used to happen 50 or 70 years ago when many more people knew their neighbours, everybody else the good else on the street knew the good ones wrong ones and so ones and the wrong ones and so you had that sort of that voluntary understanding and knowledge think knowledge sharing. and i think the more the better . the the more the better. the difficulty, of course, is that , difficulty, of course, is that, that we've got many more people carrying knives and therefore people feel, frankly, more , more people feel, frankly, more, more at risk. and that's the real challenge of it. and, and the scenario you just painted there, that case is , is, is one example that case is, is, is one example of that. >> yeah. michelle uh, she says she's in she's got in touch that i'm a british jew and i'm very

proud of, uh shirim. and our community security trust . but i community security trust. but i have to say, i've had an incredibly sad that this is necessary. i've got to agree. uh, i find it incredibly sad that these things are necessary at all, but unfortunately, i'm starting that they're starting to feel that they're more necessary. more and more necessary. >> michelle. >> yeah, they are, michelle. and i fact is, you know, i think the fact is, you know, 90, believe it or not, of knife crime goes unprosecuted and unsolved . and there are which is unsolved. and there are which is fact and it's out there over 10,000 less neighbourhood police officers. and there were just 8 or 9 years ago. and so i admire and i respect and i am grateful for any citizen who volunteers to try and help keep the streets safe . but the answer is in more safe. but the answer is in more police and going back to what richard talked about before , richard talked about before, where, you know, it makes us feel safe on the streets. we don't have enough police officers, but that takes time. >> i i don't disagree with >> i mean, i don't disagree with you, by the way. don't dispute you, by the way. i don't dispute the actually, it would the fact. actually, it would be better to some, know, better to have some, you know, fully fully trained,

fully qualified, fully trained, whatever police officers, i agree. that takes agree. but of course that takes time recruit , train, pass the time to recruit, train, pass the test, whatever. um, in the here and now . you know, we just had and now. you know, we just had again the weekend another two again at the weekend another two little boy. well, little little boy. well, not little boys, teenage boys. it's horrendous getting stabbed. so it's people are saying, it's like people are saying, michelle, you're suggesting michelle, what you're suggesting would perhaps lead to vigilante groups . and i understand that groups. and i understand that concern . and adrian saying, what concern. and adrian saying, what about x military people coming together to protect our communities , as peter is saying, communities, as peter is saying, it's real police patrols that we need proper bobbies. well, not this kind of thing. lee's saying , but these groups wouldn't have effective powers to arrest. well, i guess you could do your citizen's arrest, wouldn't we, diane? saying she finds it a miracle we don't already have vigilante groups all over the place. >> it's an interesting mix of all actually. i think all of those, actually. i think all of those, actually. i think all of those observations are correct. you want correct. and you don't want vigilantes running amok and out of . and we do want more of control. and we do want more bobbies on the beat that that element prevention . it's element of prevention. it's a bit like what we were talking

about actually about earlier. that actually deterrent the best way of deterrent is the best way of guaranteeing peace, whether it's a nation at war or frankly, peace on our on our streets and in our communities and the other thing is that actually , there thing is that actually, there are just there are so many knives now on the streets and thatis knives now on the streets and that is an absolute catastrophe . that is an absolute catastrophe. and everything that's been going on today , you have to be on today, you have to be prepared to accept what we're doing at the moment isn't working therefore try working and therefore try something working and therefore try s(proponent of much more stop a proponent of much more stop and search. can do it. it's and search. you can do it. it's much i think easier to do much i think it's easier to do it respectfully because it respectfully now because almost officers have almost all police officers have video cams. so you can check that out. and i think that works. i think the data shows that works. we've got to be prepared try different things prepared to try different things , we're , because otherwise we're heading an even more heading into an even more lawless society where where everybody ends all young people end up carrying knives because everybody is. everybody else is. >> i know is. mean , it's >> i know it is. i mean, it's i mean, i saw this video of this of particular knife. um of this particular knife. um whatever you want to call it. i'm not to get it i'm trying not to get into it just legal reasons. just for legal reasons. not because don't want to trust

because i don't want to trust me. really want to get into me. i really do want to get into it. just you're it. um, but it's just you're watching really, really watching it. it's really, really terrifying then it's terrifying thing. and then it's kind like you sit there as a kind of like you sit there as a passer by and you think, right, this is wrong. what's unfolding in front of me is wrong. do i get involved? do i try and help, or i going end up perhaps or am i going to end up perhaps not my children not going to home my children tonight i've tried to tonight because i've tried to help then help this stranger, and then i've become the receiving end i've become on the receiving end of the blade the of the blade instead of the other person. and it's terrifying . one of my viewers, terrifying. one of my viewers, darren, he's got in touch and says, michelle, my worry would be that the police would focus more actions of kind more on the actions of the kind of defenders. you want of street defenders. if you want to call it that, rather than the criminals . criminals. >> yeah, don't know that >> yeah, i don't know that there's evidence for that, michelle. i think that michelle. i mean, i think that the police do a tremendous job, but they're just, you know, i was a few days was out in ipswich a few days ago people ago and just talking to people there where i've got an office who are just really worried about rising crime levels and not enough police officers . and, not enough police officers. and, you know , we it's our duty as you know, we it's our duty as citizens to say, how is this government done about crime? where are we? and it's worse ,

where are we? and it's worse, and they need to be held to account for that. well john says, if you really want to stop people to death, says, if you really want to stop people only to death, says, if you really want to stop people only one to death, says, if you really want to stop people only one way. 0 death, there's only one way. >> and that is to bring back the death penalty. >> and that's whole >> and that's another whole debate. reality is in debate. but the reality is in the united states, where they have penalty, they've have the death penalty, they've got crime levels . got horrendous crime levels. there's is as much , i suspect, there's is as much, i suspect, a gun crime as opposed to knife crime . but look, we've got to crime. but look, we've got to take the knives off the streets. and that means actually for me, anybody who's carrying a knife, bluntly, unless you're sort of a chef, then there's no excuse to carry a knife. there's no need. and actually, you've got to be taken off the streets and there has to be a deterrent factor to do that. obviously, you've got to detention and to build detention places and things, we cannot carry on things, but we cannot carry on as we are . we've got to try as we are. we've got to try something different . yeah. something different. yeah. >> i told you at the start of the programme that one of my viewers, trev, he got in touch, he he was one of the he said that he was one of the original angels, original guardians, angels, uh, helping streets helping to protect the streets and the rest of it. he says and all the rest of it. he says he doesn't think it would even

get this day get off the ground in this day and do you agree with that? and age. do you agree with that? get in touch gbviews@gbnews.com. look, all bit look, it's all been a bit depressing, hasn't it? after the break, positive break, we've got some positive news. the princess. news. our king, the princess. they're of hospitals safe they're out of hospitals safe and news, and well, that's great news, isn't it? uh, you feel isn't it? uh, do you feel slightly more connected to the royals then, now that they've shared of health shared their kind of health ailments and does it make you kind of look at think, kind of look at them and think, well, actually, none of are well, actually, none of us are guaranteed health always guaranteed good health is always fleeting it? fleeting for us all. isn't it? tell me your thoughts. i'll see you

hello there . i'm michelle hello there. i'm michelle dewberry. this is dewbs& co here on gb news till seven richard tice and kevin craig remain alongside me. we've just been talking about whether or not we need more street patrols . lots need more street patrols. lots of you are getting in touch on this one. uh, chris craig says if it was up to me, i would have troops patrolling the streets all night. it feels like we live

in a lawless country . all night. it feels like we live in a lawless country. um, is that what we need? the military on the streets? do you think that would calm the situation, or do you think it inflames situations? jason says. what about ? well, we about something novel? well, we could discipline to could apply stem discipline to society schools, workplaces , society in schools, workplaces, prisons and justice systems. only then would you find crime reducing . uh, steve says we reducing. uh, steve says we don't need street patrols . we don't need street patrols. we need parents to stop abdicating their responsibilities when it comes to parenting, lots of people suggesting the military. i can tell you. are you in the military? is that what you would want to do with your time? do you think it's your job to patrol? uh, the streets, stopping kids from doing x, y, and get in touch and z? maybe you do get in touch and z? maybe you do get in touch and and bernadette says, and tell me and bernadette says, can positive? can i just give a positive? i went to derby city county city centre today, and i saw so many voluntary officers it made me feel very much safer. should please can you say thank you on her behalf? so there you go. yeah, that is very i'll yeah, that is very nice. i'll speak. speaking of what's speak. uh, speaking of what's nice, king, he's out of

nice, the king, he's out of hospital, the princess of hospital, as is the princess of wales. and i found this quite interesting . look, there he interesting. look, there he is, king giving a nice king charles, giving us a nice little in a second. uh little wave in a second. uh looking well . uh, of looking very well. uh, of course, these two have been very open about their well, open about their health. well, particularly the king. very open about health ailments, all about trying go trying to inspire people to go and health, checks and and get health, uh, checks and all the rest of it. and i think, you know, do you think people are feeling a bit closer to the royals off back of this? royals off the back of this? kevin >> w- kevin >> think they might do i >> yeah, i think they might do i think think and i say this, think i think and i say this, you position i'm a you know, my position is i'm a supporter the family supporter of the royal family i think that prefer our current think that i prefer our current arrangement any alternative . arrangement to any alternative. um, head of state. and i um, for a head of state. and i think people do appreciate the openness about health issues. and i think it's no bad thing. and i think it's no bad thing. and i think it's no bad thing. and i currently i believe that both the king and the other royals are doing a good, a difficult job. well, um , difficult job. well, um, richard, yeah, i agree, i'm a massive support for in a sense. >> i don't think i could get any closer to them, but it is very interesting. this this different, more open tone by the

king in sharing the news of his health challenges and it is it's quite inspirational actually, how that has helped others to have the confidence to say not feeling quite right. is this really just right ? feeling quite right. is this really just right? and feeling quite right. is this really just right ? and maybe feeling quite right. is this really just right? and maybe i should follow the king's example and just go and get, uh, you know, check—up. know, go and get a check—up. maybe nothing . so i think maybe it's nothing. so i think that that all that actually that that all of that actually is, positive. it is. is, is a real positive. it is. >> and i don't want to be debbie downer or anything, but all i want to say is i know what it's wonderful that people are raising think it's raising awareness. i think it's fabulous my own partner did fabulous that my own partner did the he recently had the same when he recently had prostate my worry is prostate cancer. but my worry is people try and get into people then try and get into their gp they can't . so then their gp and they can't. so then we worry all these people, then they access their health they can't access their health services, they can't get the tests. they're told it's not available or they can't an available or they can't get an appointment. so i think it's great figures raise great that public figures raise awareness, also great that public figures raise awarerto s, also great that public figures raise awarerto be also great that public figures raise awarerto be an also great that public figures raise awarerto be an nhs also great that public figures raise awarerto be an nhs campaign that needs to be an nhs campaign that supports that spike. and that surge in demand to actually make it accessible for your every man on the street who doesn't have the level of health care

the king's level of health care to be able to if he's got a concern or if she's got a concern or if she's got a concern to then be able to, um, you know, get that thing looked at get the test so at and actually get the test so that bed at that they are going to bed at night reassured . um, night feeling reassured. um, anyway, get in touch with the king, inspire you perhaps to go and get yourself checked out, get touch let know. get in touch and let me know. david just been david says you've just been talking knife crime. he talking about knife crime. he says there are knives on the says there are no knives on the street. a retired police street. he's a retired police officer. says are no officer. he says there are no knives on street unless knives on the street unless a person carrying it. knife person is carrying it. no knife has ever killed people has ever killed anyone. people stabbed people, not knives . we stabbed people, not knives. we need to target people , not need to target people, not knives . knives. >> he's right. and that's why actually , if someone carries actually, if someone carries a knife, there has to be an instant. an instant consequences. you have to take those people off the street for a period of time and educate them around the wrongdoing and rehabilitate people and then give people a second chance. but you've got to get people off the streets. if they don't fear the consequence, they're going consequence, then they're going to carrying knife and,

to keep carrying a knife and, and, and therefore you know, tragedies occur as a result. as we've seen this weekend, we're seeing almost i mean, just almost every day the week. almost every day of the week. it's becoming so common. we almost, almost ignore it. >> what do you make to it all? i shall leave you to ponder that one for tonight. graham says. michelle, you keep asking for our opinions, but it's getting rarer and rarer that you read them out. i've never read one of his out, don't think, well, his out, i don't think, well, there go, graham. tonight there you go, graham. tonight i did, but look, that's all i've got for. kevin. thank you did, but look, that's all i've gotyour for. kevin. thank you did, but look, that's all i've gotyour company, . thank you did, but look, that's all i've gotyour company, richard. you did, but look, that's all i've gotyour company, richard. thank for your company, richard. thank you . and you know that you for yours. and you know that i appreciate you. so i very much appreciate you. so thank very much. i try my thank you very much. i try my best to read all of your emails. i promise that. nigel farage i promise you that. nigel farage up brighter up next night's a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> evening. i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news a bit of a drab start tomorrow, but it should cheer up in many locations with some

sunny spells and it's going to get windy across get very windy once more across scotland during tuesday night and into wednesday. the winds pretty light at the moment. it's not isobars across the not many isobars across the chart, been chart, but this low has been making wet over making for a very wet day over parts of wales and northern england. is going england. the rain is going to start ease this start to ease through this evening. a met evening. we do still have a met office warning in place office yellow warning in place and stays pretty soggy over and it stays pretty soggy over much of northern england and wales the night. the wales through the night. in the far generally dry and far south, generally dry and cloudy further north. it's dry and cold. a frosty and clear and cold. a frosty night across much of scotland and northern ireland, so a cold start here, but we should see plenty of sunshine on tuesday. good england and wales good chunk of england and wales will be fairly drab start . will be fairly drab to start. pretty dank and drizzly. still over england, but the over eastern england, but the rain will be light and continuing to peter out and the cloud should start to melt away. so certainly for wales , a much so certainly for wales, a much brighter day and brightening up over northern england too. it may cloudy the may stay fairly cloudy in the south—east. here, so south—east. ten celsius here, so cooler than today. elsewhere, sixes and sevens and then the winds start to pick up later in the northwest. getting very

windy across scotland on wednesday see a spell of wednesday we'll see a spell of heavy rain coming through as well. there's a met office yellow place for yellow warning in place for northern scotland for the strength wind, but also strength of the wind, but also turning and windy across turning wet and windy across northern in the northern ireland and late in the day of that wet day we'll see some of that wet and weather in northern and windy weather in northern england. of the england. for a good part of the day, though, most of england and wales but cloudy. wales will be dry but cloudy. goodbye >> looks like things are heating goodbye >> boxti like things are heating goodbye >> boxt boilersings are heating goodbye >> boxt boilers sponsors|eating goodbye >> boxt boilers sponsors ofting up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on .

gb news. the archbishop of canterbury is speaking in the lord's room and a debate. >> he says we can do better than the rwanda bill without putting forward any alternative. i've got a better idea. we'll have a look at the siege of paris. yes

the farmers of europe really objecting to net zero and in particular to brussels. and we'll have a look at our puritan prime minister who now wants to van throw away vapes, adding that to his ban on anyone born after 2009. ever buying cigarettes. i'm sure this puritan pm would ban alcohol for young people if he could, but i'm going to debate tonight. surely what he should be talking aboutis surely what he should be talking about is drugs, because isn't that a bigger problem with our teenagers? but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . polly middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you and good evening. well, the top story from the gb news room tonight is that leicestershire police has referred itself to the independent watchdog over its investigate of assaults allegedly committed by valdo calocane before he went on to kill three people in nottingham . kill three people in nottingham. a few months later, he'd attacked two work colleagues at attacked two work colleagues at a factory in kegworth in