ofa of a public inquiry into lack of a public inquiry into the murders of their loved ones . the murders of their loved ones. and now , in bristol, two more and now, in bristol, two more people aged 20 and 22, have been arrested in connection with the deaths of two teenage boys who were fatally stabbed in the city at the weekend . and floral at the weekend. and floral tributes have been laid at the scene where 15 year old mason rist and 16 year old max dixon died after being attacked on saturday night. a 44 year old man and a 15 year old boy have already been arrested. they remain in custody . remain in custody. >> the team investigating this awful incident are working around the clock to identify those involved and develop a full understanding of what happened , and i fully expect happened, and i fully expect that we will be making more arrests in due course. these were two young men who had their whole lives in front them, whole lives in front of them, and our thoughts are with their families this extremely families at this extremely difficult time. we have specialist officers in place, providing them with support and keeping the family informed of developments . developments. >> mint mark runacres, of avon

>> s mint mark runacres, of avon and somerset police, speaking there at the end of that report. now in international news, there are fears this evening that tensions in the middle east could escalate after a drone attack killed three american troops and injured 34 others in jordan . the prime minister urged jordan. the prime minister urged iran work towards iran to work towards de—escalating the situation , and de—escalating the situation, and president biden in the states vowed to hold those responsible to account . tehran vowed to hold those responsible to account. tehran did vowed to hold those responsible to account . tehran did respond to account. tehran did respond today , saying it wasn't behind today, saying it wasn't behind the attack , but instead accusing the attack, but instead accusing america of trying to incite and expand the crisis . more than expand the crisis. more than 1000 illegal migrants have crossed the english channel so far this year, home office figures show 388 migrants made the journey just this weekend. the highest number to cross in a single day so far this year was 358, in eight boats, which was on january the 17th. two weeks ago . and lastly, king charles ago. and lastly, king charles has left hospital in central london after a three night stay following treatment for an

enlarged prostate . it's expected enlarged prostate. it's expected his majesty could take up to a month off his public duties while he continues with his convalescence . meanwhile, the convalescence. meanwhile, the princess of wales , who's been princess of wales, who's been recovering from planned abdominal surgery, has also been discharged from hospital and returned to home in windsor. if you're watching on tv , you can you're watching on tv, you can sign up for the latest gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. this is gb news. it's britain's news channel . it's britain's news channel. >> good evening . well, it was >> good evening. well, it was a weekend of light southerly winds in the english channel. and that meant well, of course, the crossings were back on. have a look at this video that was taken on the early hours of sunday morning . shirakawa and sunday morning. shirakawa and arakawa . arakawa. >> but what a heartbreaker.

>> but what a heartbreaker. >> well, there we are. there's a large group of very boastful young men , all without documents young men, all without documents coming into the united kingdom. but we have to be fair, the french do actually try and stop the boats. have a look at this. where they set fire to one of the dinghies and there it is, burning away on the sand on the beach. so they do stop some dinghies. but the problem is the people that were in that dinghy will be back the next calm day in another dinghy, and make the attempt yet again . so over attempt yet again. so over a thousand young men have already crossed the english channel so far this year , and given we've far this year, and given we've only had four days when it's been possible to cross, you can see there is no sign of this stopping now . i personally stopping now. i personally believe we need to rethink the engush believe we need to rethink the english channel crisis. i think we need to absolutely rebrand it as a national security crisis . as a national security crisis. tens of thousands of young men coming into our country , often coming into our country, often from places that are not even

friends of ours, often from war torn areas without documentation. we've no idea whether some of them were even fighting for isis in syria. i think this is a question of national security, and that is the right approach going forwards. but none of that would impress the archbishop of canterbury. here he was in the house of lords earlier on this afternoon. we can as a nation do better than this bill with this bill, the government is continuing to seek good objectives in the wrong way by leading the nation down a damaging path . damaging path. >> it is damaging for asylum seekers in need of protection , seekers in need of protection, open and safe and legal routes to be heard for this, it is damaging for this country's reputation, which it contradicts even as late as last week, where the prime minister himself spoke

eloquently on the value and importance of international law. for this country. it is damaging in respect of constitutional principles and the rule of law . principles and the rule of law. and most of all, i lords, it is damaging for our nation's unity in a time when the greatest issues of war, peace , defence issues of war, peace, defence and security need us to be united. >> well, the archbishop justin welby there raises 1 or 2, i think , really rather important think, really rather important questions . he talks about unity . questions. he talks about unity. i'll tell you what, archbishop, if there was a referendum on this, would be real unity this, there would be real unity because a very large majority, he would those that he would say that those that cross illegally shouldn't be allowed to stay, they shouldn't be coming this route . but be coming via this route. but but he says we can do better . but he says we can do better. and yet i don't hear him offer any alternative whatsoever. in

fact , what i any alternative whatsoever. in fact, what i hear any alternative whatsoever. in fact , what i hear the any alternative whatsoever. in fact, what i hear the labour party and others saying we can do better than this all they ever talk about are cracking down on the criminal gangs in northern france . but the problem northern france. but the problem is these people, in a calm week in the summer, can make between 2 and ,3 million per gang, and it seems to me, however tough you crack down when there are financial incentives as big as that, they will continue to traffic people across the engush traffic people across the english channel. so let me ask you, can we do better? farage at gb news. com and i don't honestly think we will do better unless, as i say, firstly , we unless, as i say, firstly, we redefine this as a national security crisis and secondly, in line with that, we say that the european convention on human rights is 70 years old. our out of date has changed its purpose , of date has changed its purpose, and we no longer wish to be a part of it, because i don't see with that that even if this legislation does go through parliament, i just don't see british courts allowing

deportations . now, the house of deportations. now, the house of lords will vote tonight on what is the second reading of this bill. but it looks like we could be about to enter a game of parliamentary ping pong . what parliamentary ping pong. what doesit parliamentary ping pong. what does it all mean? well, christopher hope gb news political editor , joins me. so political editor, joins me. so the house of lords tonight listening to the speeches , is listening to the speeches, is going to vote against the rwanda bill. isn't it? second reading should go through. >> actually, should labour are unlikely to oppose lib dems will oppose and others might. >> and the numbers are so unclear because of course, the government has around 40% the government has around 40% of the peers , and a big peers there, and there's a big chunk crossbench peers. they chunk of crossbench peers. they go they feel they need go where they feel they need need and that's meant to need to go, and that's meant to be of second be the power of the second chamber, that not really chamber, that it's not really biddable one individual biddable by any one individual party. labour also don't have a don't a majority. by don't have a majority. by the way either. so that's way either. no. sure. so that's why meant be an why it's meant to be an important revising chamber. >> he wouldn't vote >> welby said he wouldn't vote against this the second reading. >> yes, it's the amendment, so watch for amendments watch out for the amendments when hanging like when they start hanging like a christmas hang

christmas tree, they'll hang these baubles off it to weaken it fall over it and almost make it fall over here. back to the here. you'll go back to the commons, then when it gets through probably around through there, probably around march, it's up through there, probably around mtthe it's up through there, probably around mtthe left it's up through there, probably around mtthe left are it's up through there, probably around mtthe left are important to the tory left are important there they're for the there because they're for the for because for the government because they're the ones if they can restrengthen they'll restrengthen the bill, they'll be against their own, be going against their own, their own, um, views on that. so it could be quite interesting going around the other way. i think comes back and then think if it comes back and then when to the house when it comes back to the house of for the third and final of lords for the third and final reading, you say final because of lords for the third and final rea(lords'ou say final because of lords for the third and final rea(lords musty final because of lords for the third and final rea(lords must accept because of lords for the third and final rea(lords must accept the ause the lords must accept the changes made by the commons and because the commons second and third reading, house of commons 40 plus mps backed it. that's a big majority. the lords, by convention, shouldn't be, uh should they shouldn't refuse to accept it. >> but they will argue the lords could argue that this wasn't explicitly in the conservative manifesto . manifesto. >> so it wasn't i mean, it wasn't in there. you know jolly well active in politics well you're active in politics at that point. no, it wasn't so the salisbury convention won't apply. on for apply. this can go on for a yeah apply. this can go on for a year. no one thinks it will, though, because the scale, the convention nigel scale of

convention is nigel scale of that . the second that majority. the second or third should mean third reading should mean it shouldn't obstructed . shouldn't be obstructed. >> could be. >> but it still could be. >> but it still could be. >> could be. and the names >> still could be. and the names out there, 70 peers speaking today, about 9:30. david today, voting about 9:30. david blunkett it frankly blunkett calling it frankly ridiculous. blunkett , ridiculous. david blunkett, former secretary, former labour home secretary, lord german lib dem saying it puts uk at risk of breaching puts the uk at risk of breaching our commitments under international lord international law. lord ponsonby, labour's shadow home affairs spokesman, making the same point. your point about international law is understood and where it's going. and that's where it's going. maybe. up by some maybe. do we end up by some commitment a small way commitment to, in a small way with charleton echr certainly . with charleton echr certainly. what's what kemi badenoch was saying gb yesterday and saying on gb news yesterday and it seem to me, quite it does seem to me, chris, quite difficult to think that many flights to rwanda will take off before the next general election. i've i've got a notional pint of beer on this. uh, nigel, which i don't think before. may they might go before the november election as some some a few hundred. no more. >> okay, you think when it >> okay, so you think when it finally back to the lords finally comes back to the lords for the third reading, they're likely it? there's no likely to accept it? there's no guarantee. likely guarantee. they're likely to accept let's say that

accept it. and let's say that bill then becomes an act of parliament. it gets the king's assent and it becomes law . but assent and it becomes law. but we then face a slightly separate problem, don't we, that there's something called the courts and there could be legal challenges to say that what parliament has passed runs in contradiction with international treaties that we've signed. and this could ultimately go to the supreme court. >> at that point, we then invoke richard rishi sunak told gb news ten days ago. they would not allow a foreign court in his terme to overrule parliament. you know, critics of him . would you know, critics of him. would say it's not a foreign court, it's a based in strasbourg. but it's a based in strasbourg. but it's of course, it's a court we all sign up to in the international community. >> interesting. chris hope, thank much indeed for thank you very much indeed for explaining that to us. now now, is that the archbishop explaining that to us. now now, is canterbury the archbishop explaining that to us. now now, is canterbury getsarchbishop explaining that to us. now now, is canterbury gets involved>p explaining that to us. now now, is issue 'bury gets involved>p explaining that to us. now now, is issue like gets involved>p explaining that to us. now now, is issue like this? involved>p explaining that to us. now now, is issue like this? of'olvede an issue like this? of course, we all want moral guidance and leadership of the leadership from the head of the established we established church. shame we didn't that during didn't get much of that during the but the pandemic and lockdown. but hey, here is he dabbling in

hey, but here is he dabbling in politics. is he going further than he needs to go? and i wonder what doctor gavin ashenden, former chaplain to queen elizabeth the second, makes of all of this? gavin, as even makes of all of this? gavin, as ever, welcome to the program. um is um is justin welby becoming a turbulent priest ? turbulent priest? >> well , you know, that's a very >> well, you know, that's a very honourable phrase and used by becket against henry ii and the, uh, struggle between the two of them was, was an entirely different kind. the trouble is what justin welby is becoming is, is a left wing politician or has become a left wing politician . um, you're quite politician. um, you're quite right in saying that the moral guidance, the moral issues here are enormously important. and when i was a child learning mathematics , we were told that mathematics, we were told that it wasn't important only to reach the conclusion, but you had to show your working to show you the you actually understood the problem. isn't any any problem. and there isn't any any evidence all the evidence at all that the archbishop understands the problem, because we never see

any his workings. what we any of his workings. what we hear some sloganising that hear is some sloganising that comes from the left of the political spectrum . um, but political spectrum. um, but there's sense that he's there's no sense that he's trying to balance the interests of , for example, people he of, for example, the people he has. response ability has. primary response ability for have educational for here who have educational needs, health needs , the needs needs, health needs, the needs of social cohesion . uh, and of social cohesion. uh, and against the needs of those who are coming in. in fact, we learn very little of the needs of the people were coming in. we don't know where they're from. we don't know what they've fled from. we don't know why we don't. we know they don't. we don't know why they come. they they hide the evidence. um and so it's very hard to trust the archbishop when slogans hard to trust the archbishop whe doesn't slogans hard to trust the archbishop whe doesn't show slogans hard to trust the archbishop whe doesn't show any slogans but doesn't show any understanding of the complexity of moral workings through of the moral workings through that, we need to have to make a decision. yeah >> i also note this phrase . as >> i also note this phrase. as you know, we can do better. and yet i'm not hearing any alternatives from him what so ever. eve r. >> even >> one of the things that's frustrated all of us who are trying to see both sides of the

moral coin is that we can't find a solution, and it's a perfectly clear to everyone of common sense that the reason the government have chosen the rwanda solution is not because rwanda solution is not because rwanda a very sensible place rwanda is a very sensible place to anybody, because you to send anybody, but because you have a signal out that have to send a signal out that dents the confidence of the people breaking the law to come in, that they can be guaranteed a place here and there are other signals going through, including a place here and there are other sigrovergenerous>ugh, including a place here and there are other sigrovergenerous welfare :luding a place here and there are other sigrovergenerous welfare system our overgenerous welfare system and the promise of employment by, by, by the government. so the needs to be some kind of signal to say this is not an automatic freebie. and that's the rwanda the purpose of the rwanda solution. it's a pro tem means of sending a different signal in the hope that if the signal bites at all, that the people who run these gangs will stop. so nobody pretends it's the ideal solution. but the archbishop doesn't seem to understand the semiotics or even even the politics of the thing. he simply trumpets slogans, and they're not very clever ones, and they don't help anybody . and they don't help anybody. >> gavin, a final thought on a

christian point, if i can. i mean, clearly christians want to help those in need where do we draw the line in terms of genuine refugees ? and we have a genuine refugees? and we have a long history in this country, don't we? going back, go back to the huguenots, jewish people, ugandan asians, etc, and i've no doubt there are some people coming in, you know, who genuinely would qualify as refugees. and we've opened up, of course , to hong kong, to of course, to hong kong, to ukraine, i mean, half a million people legally have come as refugees since 2016, where we as a christian, do you draw the line in as to what we can acceptably do to or not? >> i remember being a young man and being very struck by homelessness and being very upset. homelessness and being very upset . i even i even asked the upset. i even i even asked the homeless couple into my house once, which was a terrible mistake because they they wouldn't go but but the wouldn't go and but but the problem, the problem with, with these moral decisions is you

have to have information. you need to know the you need to be reasonably well informed of the difficulties these people face in order to know whether you have the resources to help them. and the best way to help them. it's not obvious that the way to help people in trouble is not always and i think the always obvious, and i think the difficulty with the refugee crisis i can't answer your crisis is i can't answer your question because one would one can't do it in general. one has to do it specifically and say this, these people kind this, these people or these kind of have this of people, we have this information about them and we know we help them and know we can help them and dovetail in a certain way. dovetail help in a certain way. and again, that's one of the problems, again, with the archbishop's he archbishop's position is he makes distinctions makes no distinctions at all between different kinds between the different kinds of people in and the people who are coming in and the needs they bring. and it's needs that they bring. and it's this lack of information and lack makes lack of distinction that makes it he's political it suggest he's political sloganeering and not doing his job as , as a leader of the job as, as a leader of the nation, giving us moral criteria to help with strong words. >> gavin ashenden, as ever , >> gavin ashenden, as ever, thank you for joining the program. and they were very, very strong words. basically,

the archbishop is delving far too much into politics now. we've seen the german farmers protests. we've seen, of course , protests. we've seen, of course, what has happened in the netherlands and huge political change. there will today . the change. there will today. the french farmers are revolting . french farmers are revolting. indeed, they're calling it the siege of paris. indeed, they're calling it the siege of paris . and it seems siege of paris. and it seems that their ire is being directed at the european commission in brussels .

radio. >> so can we do better than the rwanda bill that today , right rwanda bill that today, right now is being debated in the house of lords? i certainly think we can, uh, some of your reactions, steve, says, nigel, we can do better. a lot better, but only when we have a government that does what the voters want grow a backbone and turn back the boats. steve, it's a popular view, i promise you,

kathy says the archbishop should stay in his palace. keep out of politics, out of touch. i'd say he is. and john says we can do better. the archbishop can open up all the churches to house the migrants instead of us taxpayers funding the bill for all the hotels. well, i can't see him doing that in a hurry. or indeed, what about lambeth palace? he lives in lambeth palace. it looks to have dozens of rooms. come on, archbishop , of rooms. come on, archbishop, let's put a load of young men in there and see how you get on. now, i mentioned before the break the siege of paris that is now taking place , and that is now taking place, and that is french farmers blocking the seven major road routes in and out of paris. and president macron is in such a flap over this that he's gone to brussels this that he's gone to brussels this afternoon to meet the commission president, ursula von der leyen. now this is not the

big the first big farmers protest we've seen. and i know the french. you know, i mean, for them, protesting is almost like a national sport. but we saw it happening on the streets of germany just a few weeks ago. we happening in the we saw it happening in the netherlands last year, and dramatic political change. there were even farmers protests taking place in italy. so what is really going on here, folks ? is really going on here, folks? well, i'll tell you, there are two big things going on. the first is the push toward net zero. the desire in many cases to get farmers off the land and not to produce beef . and even in not to produce beef. and even in this country , even in this this country, even in this country, you can go on to defra's website and they'll tell you how as a farmer, you can be paid to stop farming and take your land out of production and turn it over to rewire , adding turn it over to rewire, adding net zero targets. a big part of this. and secondly , it's

this. and secondly, it's regulation , particularly on regulation, particularly on substances , is around nitrogen substances, is around nitrogen and what the farmers of europe are saying is whilst their own governments and their own bureaucracies and their own regulators are bad enough, it's even worse when it comes from the european commission in brussels and was nothing they can do in elections to change any of it. and this is now becoming a very , very major euro becoming a very, very major euro sceptic movement right across europe. and i think we're headed for some fascinating european election results that will take place in june of this year. now, one of the stories we've covered in the past is the plight of hemsby up on the norfolk coast. daniel heard is the coxswain of the hemsby lifeboat. daniel, welcome back into the studio . welcome back into the studio. and i know that you know the great crisis you've got is that the north sea is eating in to the north sea is eating in to the sand. well, i say cliffs

that they're dunes really aren't they? um. and the situation is getting more and more serious. >> oh, yeah. definitely two months ago we had another five properties demolished , eight properties demolished, eight people rehomed . um, we've now people rehomed. um, we've now got a lifeboat station potentially at risk if we get one more high tide with a north easterly wind. the lifeboat station's then gone . it's just station's then gone. it's just devastating down at the moment. we've got properties further back on fakes road now. uh, lots we've got properties further ba moneyakes road now. uh, lots we've got properties further ba money there toad now. uh, lots we've got properties further ba money there .ad now. uh, lots we've got properties further ba money there . bricksl. uh, lots we've got properties further ba money there . bricks and, lots of money there. bricks and mortar, thousands of pounds. some have got big mortgages . some have got big mortgages. that's the next in the firing line . and we've took this line. and we've took this petition in today hoping so. >> you've been to number 10 today? >> yeah. number 10 today. yeah. and hoping, um, that they can now sit down and look at this . now sit down and look at this. we the criteria changed at we need the criteria changed at the the environment the moment. the environment agency criteria. it's agency got the criteria. it's around rooftop houses. the numbers they've got compared to what we've looked at are totally wrong. that needs looking at. um, they need to work it out. there's £20 million. we need to protect hemsby. >> and this would to be put big

granite defences on the base of the dunes. >> yeah . um, that would put them >> yeah. um, that would put them down there. that would protect the coastline. um, but we look at hemsby, brings in 88 to £100 million a year through tourism because it's a beautiful beach. yeah. right . because it's a beautiful beach. yeah. right. but can yeah. that's right. but why can they not give us £20 million to protect it for 25 years? like they sand the rock? granite will do. >> you were a bit disappointed. not to be able to meet the mp today, brandon lewis, the today, sir brandon lewis, the great yarmouth mp. >> right. i won't say >> oh that's right. i won't say how um for his how surprised. um yeah. for his input into things. uh, down at hemsby have not been great. everyone thinks he's won the hide and seek challenge of the yean hide and seek challenge of the year. um, yeah . we don't really year. um, yeah. we don't really see him too much. and we've had the labour people down promising us earth. um, hopefully if us the earth. um, hopefully if they did get in, um, they will be able to get things changed. >> it's £20 million to save >> so it's £20 million to save hemsby. basically that's it. >> yeah. and that's that's all we need and that's all we're asking for. have parts of asking for. have other parts of the norfolk help ? um, the norfolk coast had help? um, well, look the other well, if you look at the other parts of the norfolk coast,

you've mundesley. you've got cromer and mundesley. they've already they've got a seawall already protecting was protecting them. yeah. that was announced weeks ago. announced a few weeks ago. they've now been given 25 million put rock granite in million to put rock granite in front of their seawall. yeah to help that. um, but you then got from us, you've got winterton on the seawall. starts just beyond that, heading through sea palling on the other side of us. you then got, uh, scrappy. that's got gabby and cages. then you've got, uh, going through to caister. so hemsby is the only one feeling a bit isolated, aren't you? that's right. we've got nothing at hemsby, it's got nothing at hemsby, and it's just been clawed away constantly. year, as constantly. and this year, as i said, we were said, last time we were on, i was looking at two years, and i think i'm probably going to be right. would lose right. i reckon we would lose that within the right. i reckon we would lose that few within the right. i reckon we would lose that few months. within the next few months. >> well, wish you luck. uh, >> well, i wish you luck. uh, daniel, with the campaign. i know you're with some of know you're here with some of the saw the pictures the boys. we saw the pictures of you downing street you walking up downing street earlier. it earlier. i know sometimes it feels the little feels that you're the little guys the big established guys against the big established giant, not so much that giant, but it's not so much that it's their it's seeing people lose their homes and being at the front line of that, helping these people can't protect them. >> and we can't protect them. it's sad and now to see the

it's just sad and now to see the next row of houses potentially could be in the firing line . could be in the firing line. there's a lot more people there depress saying good luck with the campaign . the campaign. >> thanks for coming back on the programme we've got programme in a moment. we've got to . we really, to talk about iran. we really, really as three us troops really have as three us troops are killed and 34 are wounded, there are now cries in america to hit back at iran hard coming from senior american politicians. but are we perhaps on the verge of a very dangerous escalation

>> you're listening to gb news radio show . radio show. >> should america hit back hard against iran following the death of three american soldiers? and should we, the british, support them if they do ? well, i'm them if they do? well, i'm joined by con coughlin, defence and foreign affairs editor at the telegraph. con think things are escalating, aren't they ? are escalating, aren't they? >> they certainly are, nigel, and good to be with you, dan. i

mean, i think the, the big question here is since the october seven attacks, when the iranian backed hamas terrorist group attacked israel , iran has group attacked israel, iran has been playing this very dangerous game of cat and mouse with the us and its allies in the middle east. uh, tehran does not want a direct confrontation with washington because it will lose . washington because it will lose. so it's let all its, uh, proxy rs in the region off the hook, uh, off the leash, i should say , uh, off the leash, i should say, uh, off the leash, i should say, uh, it is in lebanon , etc. the uh, it is in lebanon, etc. the houthis in yemen, and they're trying to set the region ablaze, and they're particularly , uh, and they're particularly, uh, directing their fire against the us assets , uh, which is how this us assets, uh, which is how this attack against the us base in jordan happened, uh, yesterday. so this is what iran is up to. and the big question is how do we deal with it ? we deal with it? >> yeah, it's a major question , >> yeah, it's a major question, isn't it? i mean, you know, when we heard there were strikes, british and american strikes

against the houthi bases, against the houthi rebel bases, you help you know, i couldn't help thinking saudi arabians thinking that the saudi arabians had the houthis for had been bombing the houthis for the last 6 or 7 years, and they're still there and active. and of somehow look at and we sort of somehow look at the pages, con and we the front pages, con and we think, oh, well, a couple of strikes and the whole thing is going but it isn't, going to be over. but it isn't, is it? >> no. this is a very well coordinated attack by iran's revolutionary guard corps. they supply the weapons to the houthis. they supply the weapons to hezbollah . they they fund to hezbollah. they they fund hamas to the tune of $100 million a year. they built the hamas infrastructure, etc. so this is iran way of waging war, and we need to wise up to what is going on and, you know, it is my understanding that certainly in america and probably here, we know precisely that the revolutionary guard bases in iran that are facilitating, facilitating all these attacks. and, you know , i think much more and, you know, i think much more of this . and the pressure on

of this. and the pressure on washington , at the very least, washington, at the very least, to take out these bases will be immense . and even even dear old immense. and even even dear old joe biden will be forced to act . joe biden will be forced to act. >> yeah. well, there's pressure coming at him today. >> yeah. well, there's pressure coming at him today . and a final coming at him today. and a final thought, if i may con , you know, thought, if i may con, you know, we had this iran nuclear deal, something was politically something that i was politically very opposed and very, very opposed to and vociferously so, um , an absolute vociferously so, um, an absolute con job all the way through freed up tens of billions of dollars . um, freed up tens of billions of dollars. um, and of freed up tens of billions of dollars . um, and of course, they dollars. um, and of course, they just ignored it. how close does intelligence tell us that iran is to a nuclear weapon ? is to a nuclear weapon? >> well, they're pretty close. and in fact, one of the world's leading experts on this issue, david albright , uh, produced david albright, uh, produced a report at the weekend in which he predicted that within five months, uh , iran could build 12 months, uh, iran could build 12 nuclear bombs . and you have to nuclear bombs. and you have to see this threat within the context of everything else. iran is doing, including launching terror attacks or trying to on

the streets of great britain. so you know, this is something that's coming down the track very fast and certainly the british government needs to wake up to, to the states involved and see what we're going to do about it. >> yeah. p.d.q con , thank you >> yeah. p.d.q con, thank you very much indeed . let's get a very much indeed. let's get a military thought on this. i'm joined by lieutenant general jonathon riley, military historian, and of course, retired british army officer jonathan. i've never read in my life so much talk about are we heading with all these global conflict acts towards world war three? how worried are you? >> uh, hello , nigel. thanks for >> uh, hello, nigel. thanks for asking me on. uh, yes. uh, very worried . and everybody should worried. and everybody should be, um. it's all too easy to talk yourself into a crisis. >> uh, rather than stand back, take a deep breath and look at the actionable intelligence once, uh, because any response to what's happened needs to be on the basis of multi—source

good quality, actionable intelligence. now, con makes a very good point in this, um, in this respect that the trouble with saying, let's have a go at iran is which iran do you mean ? iran is which iran do you mean? yeah. now, uh, we one diplomat who served a long time in tehran said to me as a principle , said to me as a principle, iranian bad behaviour should never be rewarded or indeed tolerated. and i think that's true. but there are multiple sources of authority in iran. they are all opaque to each other. they play one, play each other. they play one, play each other off against another. that can be useful to them. but and because it can be a firewall, it can be a problem . and in this can be a problem. and in this instance, the foreign ministry is denying any direct iranian involvement . but, is denying any direct iranian involvement. but, uh, but is denying any direct iranian involvement . but, uh, but they involvement. but, uh, but they haven't said anything about the irgc. and i quite agree that it's irgc , which is the it's the irgc, which is the problem here. they're the ones who are spreading money around to all these groups which have launched up over 100 attacks since the start the gaza , uh, since the start of the gaza, uh, gaza campaign. uh against the xl

bully of the us and others. uh, so to get back to your point, if we're going to a war, if we're going to avoid war, world war ii, uh, which would be started by just lashing out , uh, we need by just lashing out, uh, we need to be pretty clear about who it is that we need to target. yeah >> and i'm no doubt that debate is going on in the pentagon, literally as we speak. and a final quick thought, jonathan, if i can, there was talk last week conscription maybe being week of conscription maybe being needed. some mixed needed. um, and some very mixed reactions that . uh, but reactions to that. uh, but surely at a time of such global problems , aren't our armed problems, aren't our armed forces at a pitiful level in terms of size ? terms of size? >> uh, they are indeed. but i don't think you should conflate the issue of conscription , which the issue of conscription, which is as much about social engineering as is about anything else. um, i think the point is that the professional military forces , which take a long time forces, which take a long time given the complexity of modern equipment to build up, have been deliberately eroded. now that has got to be turned around. it

can be turned around by investment , not by producing investment, not by producing terms of service which are which are worthwhile by energising the youngsters and there's plenty of decent youngsters there . you decent youngsters out there. you go cadet force, uh, go to any cadet force, uh, establishment britain establishment in britain and you'll some super you'll find some super youngsters who would like to serve, but it's just being made too difficult. yeah yeah. >> no, we've got to rethink all of this. jonathan roddy, thank you very much indeed for joining me gb now me tonight on gb news. now de—banking was a that i was de—banking was a word that i was putting there from putting out there from last summer . delighted summer onwards. i was delighted to it actually has made to see that it actually has made it the official dictionary. it into the official dictionary. this year. maybe so this year. well, maybe not. so with some elements in america . with some elements in america. the what? the farage moment over the weekend was the big american comedy show saturday live. comedy show saturday night live. have look at this have a look at this on de—banking . de—banking. >> trump did have a slight stumble this week while talking about banks , and he introduced about banks, and he introduced an interesting new worm called bank. >> we're also going to play strong protections to stop banks and regulators from trying to d bank. you they want to d bank

you. and we're going to de—banking . de—banking. >> i don't know what the hell d bank means , but he might have to bank means, but he might have to take d ambulance to see the doctor . docton >> and there you are. de—banking now being talked about in america openly as a worm. and yet the liberal elite don't know what it is . say they've never what it is. say they've never heard of it . what a bunch of heard of it. what a bunch of idiots . smug, complacent idiots idiots. smug, complacent idiots say many of them are now , over say many of them are now, over the weekend there has been a remarkable turnaround in english cricket. they're out in india. it was the first test match and we were in dire , dire trouble. a we were in dire, dire trouble. a young, inexperienced team and the commentator was on friday and saturday lashing out at ben stokes, the england cricket captain. england's bazball, as in, exposes gulf troubles , is in, exposes gulf troubles, is mounting and these headlines kept our england pay price for

long hops and muddled thinking. you'd have thought for all the world you know tumble dyer and big attacks on stokes's leadership of the team. poor planning over promotion stoke his captaincy has. not been good enough and i read these newspapers on saturday morning. i goodness gracious i thought, goodness gracious me. however, an extraordinary innings from ollie pope of 196 and a young man you know, james hartley, tom hartley , a complete hartley, tom hartley, a complete debutant at test cricket, hasn't even played much first class cricket storms back with seven wickets and we win an extraordinary victory . and this extraordinary victory. and this is now what the newspapers have to say. just 48 hours later, we get michael vaughan, the former england captain, saying this was the finest england test victory of my lifetime. now i'm not showing you those headlines to have a go at journalists . it's have a go at journalists. it's i'm showing you those headlines to understand why. so many tens of millions of us love sport. we

love it for its total unpredictability . we love it unpredictability. we love it because of highs and lows of emotion that it puts us through. and that was ben stokes 14th win for 18th win out of 19 test matches that he's captained, and compared with one win in the previous 17 tests under joe root, the previous captain, all of which goes to show that good leadership can turn around a company can turn around a cricket team and indeed could turn around a country, which is why rishi sunak announcement today on a ban on disposable vapes frankly misses the point and is not, in my view , an act and is not, in my view, an act of good leadership will debate that after the .

break >> it's a new look, patrick christie's tonight , nine till 11 christie's tonight, nine till 11 pm. i'm joined live in the studio by conservative party chairman richard holden. how can he stop the tories falling

apart? the rwanda bill is debated in the house of lords. i've labour peer telling i've got a labour peer telling me block the me why she wants to block the bill. plus donald trump says the west must prepare for world war three. sending troops off three. we're sending troops off on are too on diversity training. are too we woke for war? talking of woke , could winston churchill be played by a black actor? it's a brand spanking new patrick christys tonight it's nine till 11 pm. be there . 11 pm. be there. >> here we go again. 11 pm. be there. >> here we go again . a meddling >> here we go again. a meddling puritan prime minister who wants to regulate our lifestyles as much as he possibly can. not content with the most extreme , content with the most extreme, ordinary piece of legislation which says that anybody born after the 1st of january, 20,009 will never leave legally be allowed to buy cigarettes . he's allowed to buy cigarettes. he's at it again today. allowed to buy cigarettes. he's at it again today . yes. and he's at it again today. yes. and he's announcing that that disposable vapes will be banned, that vapes will be sold in plain packages. is that the choices of flavours

will be very radically reduced as well. and he launches it all exclusive on ladbible , as if to exclusive on ladbible, as if to show he's down and cool with the kids. now there is a little bit of a rebellion brewing on this, and perhaps unsurprisingly , liz and perhaps unsurprisingly, liz truss is leading it. she says banning the sale of tobacco products to anyone born in 2009 or later would create an absurd situation where adults enjoy different rights based on their birth date. well, i have to say i rather agree with that. i think this puritan prime minister, if he had the chance , minister, if he had the chance, would ban alcohol too. i have little doubt about that. but perhaps he has lots of time to think about this. on his weekly 36 hour fasts. but all this talk about vapes , about tobacco about vapes, about tobacco products completely ignores the real elephant in the room, and thatis real elephant in the room, and that is that we have a massive and growing problem with illegal drugs in this country, which don't cause long terme harm . don't cause long terme harm. they're causing short terme

harm, but of course they're illegal already, so why admit government failure in that area? well, i'm going to get a couple of different points of view on this. i'm joined by nikki small, corporate and corporate affairs and communications director at japan tobacco international, and david bowles, head of public affairs and campaigns at the rspca . and campaigns at the rspca. nikki small. the argument is that fewer and fewer people are buying traditional tobacco products, and so what you guys have done is you've moved into the vaping space and you're perfectly happy for youngsters to go out and buy disposable vapes as well. >> nigel, thank you for having me on this evening. first, i'd like to say that jti don't manufacture or sell disposable vapes anywhere in the world, but we are very concerned about what we've seen in the. >> but you do sell vapes. >> but you do sell vapes. >> we do sell vapes, but not disposable. not disposable vapes. so, um, but we've been very concerned with what we've seen vapes seen with disposable vapes in terms the appealing terms of the youth appealing packaging and flavours that are on market what seemed to on the market and what seemed to be at children. we've

be targeted at children. we've been calling for quite a long time, for better and more proportionate but proportionate regulation, but bans and we need bans don't work and we need better regulation that's backed up better regulation that's backed ”p by better regulation that's backed up by enforcement. and as you said, it's not just vapes that are the subject of the prime minister's announcements. it's also the smoking generation ban, um, which again , will have um, which again, will have unintended consequences . it's um, which again, will have unintended consequences. it's an illiberal , um, policy and it's illiberal, um, policy and it's unenforceable . yeah. unenforceable. yeah. >> and, you know, you're looking with both of these things potentially at black markets being created. and i made the point about drugs, which i really believe are short tum doing damage to doing enormous damage to youngsters in this country. psychological damage, um, psychological damage, etc. um, but of course, things being illegal doesn't stop being illegal doesn't stop them being consumed. now, i was surprised, um , david bowles, that you from um, david bowles, that you from the rspca had a view on this. so what is your your gripe with disposable? we're delighted that the government is moving on disposable vapes at the moment. >> what we're seeing is a huge increase, their use but increase, both in their use but also disposal . increase, both in their use but also disposal. um, also in their disposal. um, disposable vapes are being

disposed of, possibly up to 5 million a year. and the rspca main view is the impact that that has on wildlife and on and on our pets. we've already had . on our pets. we've already had. we've already seen a couple of dogs which have died from ingesting disposal vapes. the rspca has really concerned that the increase in disposable vapes is going to have a huge impact on our wildlife. um, in six weeks time, we have , um, keep weeks time, we have, um, keep britain tidy week last last year we saw nearly 20,000 disposable vapes , um, caught by by vapes, um, caught by by volunteers and that is a hang on, hang on, david. >> the fact people buy disposable vapes , they can disposable vapes, they can always put them in the bin. >> they could do. but but these these products are very, very difficult recycle. you've got difficult to recycle. you've got the lithium in there. you've got the lithium in there. you've got the got the plastic in there. you've got electrical goods there . um, electrical goods in there. um, and we are not seeing many of these being recycled. they are disposed , hence their name. and disposed, hence their name. and people are throwing them away. and rspca is and that's where the rspca is coming from. the african wildlife. >> like i'm hearing what you're saying. you know, there's all sorts stuff them can

sorts of stuff in them that can do enormous damage to wildlife. although i think the people do enormous damage to wildlife. although them k the people do enormous damage to wildlife. although them k the 1e people do enormous damage to wildlife. although them k the 1e peop that chucking them on the ground that are opposed to are the problem as opposed to the themselves. the vapes themselves. but couldn't this? i mean, the vapes themselves. but cou quite this? i mean, the vapes themselves. but cou quite extraordinary? i mean, the vapes themselves. but cou quite extraordinary drivingn, it's quite extraordinary driving almost anywhere in the country to see the amount of fast food wrappers, you know , from all the wrappers, you know, from all the big names that are literally just chucked out of car windows, they must be doing just as much harm to wildlife. >> yeah. so the rspca sees a lot of wildlife casualties from , um, of wildlife casualties from, um, from from bottles from disposable uh, cartons , from disposable uh, cartons, from fast food outlets. but if you look at the way that that that is working, some of those companies do have responsible, um, corporate ethics on those. and they are trying to collect those disposable litten so what the rspca is what what the rspca is saying , this is a growing is saying, this is a growing problem we can get rid of problem and we can get rid of this problem and concentrate on other we just get other issues. if we just get rid of disposable vapes. that's of disposable vapes. so that's why we support. >> no, i understand, i mean, i wasn't why the rspca were wasn't sure why the rspca were in debate, but now i do in on this debate, but now i do understand it. to the basic understand it. back to the basic point , back the point

understand it. back to the basic point, back the point . point, back to the basic point. so if people can't buy dispose vapes, they can buy normal vapes . what would the cost price differential be between the two? >> um , so disposable vapes sell >> um, so disposable vapes sell for around 4 or £5 at the moment. um, if you have a tank system or a pod system, you're looking between 10 and £40. okay but yeah, and the cost is one part of it. and that's something the government can address. um, but they need to look at other regulation as well around the packaging and the flavours. >> they're talking about >> well, they're talking about plain packaging now, we've done plain packaging now, we've done plain for plain packaging of course for cigarettes. it's now very difficult when you buy cigarettes now because they can't them because they all can't find them because they all look the same. whereas before they their own distinctive they had their own distinctive colours brands. how do you colours and brands. how do you feel about plain packaging for vapes? it's about proportionate regulation. >> so , um, our view is that the >> so, um, our view is that the regulation should be targeted against youth appealing packaging. so example, those packaging. so for example, those that have cars. >> so you think they really have

deliberately targeted young people? i think there are definitely >> i think there are definitely some irresponsible , um, players some irresponsible, um, players out in the market. yes and especially with flavours such as unicorn, um, bubblegum, gummy bear , um, they're targeted bear, um, they're not targeted at but don't you think at adults, but don't you think would be a market in would just be a black market in this now, uh, to some this stuff now, uh, to some extent, is already there's extent, there is already there's a lot of illegal products on the market stand that market as we stand and ones that breach the regulations by having too in our too much nicotine. in our testing, some independent too much nicotine. in our testing,done, some independent too much nicotine. in our testing,done, and)me independent too much nicotine. in our testing,done, and we independent too much nicotine. in our testing,done, and we found endent testing done, and we found products that have banned ingredients in as well. so there is there a big market there. is there is a big market there. and that's bans work. and that's why bans don't work. and that's why bans don't work. and it's the same on tobacco as well . the illegal market well. the illegal tobacco market is already. to in is thriving already. to bring in a generational is going a generational ban is only going to worse. to make that worse. oh, absolutely . absolutely. >> and course, you know, if >> and of course, you know, if you something, you you overtax something, you create market. that create a black market. and that has happened with tobacco. it's amazing. jacob actually , that amazing. jacob actually, that the estimate i saw for the last estimate i saw for hand—rolling tobacco was that 80% of it is now sold illegally. >> well, it's the law of economics, isn't it ? >> well, it's the law of economics, isn't it? ipsis up too much, people will get

rounded . rounded. >> adam smith wrote about this in the late 18th century. he wrote to character wrote on. but to the character of our prime minister, there is to me a feeling here of a real puritan , a man who wants to puritan, a man who wants to meddle . there's no limit to the meddle. there's no limit to the nanny state, because he believes this morally is the right thing to do. i think it's absolutely glorious. >> i love the thought that my two elder children , peter and two elder children, peter and mary, will be able to sell illicit cigarettes to my four younger children when this ban comes in, and the market's going to be set up. and i just wonder what mark—up they will charge to their younger siblings when they queue an queue up aged 80 to get an illegal packet of marlboro lights. >> why is a concern party doing this? and is liz truss basically right? what i don't understand is why we are doing this when there's so much else going on. >> why is this a priority for the government and on vapes, do we actually know that vapes are bad for you? is the evidence there that vapes are bad for people's health? we know about tobacco. we know tobacco kills. it's straightforward. and

it's really straightforward. and therefore the state has a legitimate interest. but are we certain that vapes are bad or are we just stopping something people enjoy? >> we're not 100% sure, but i'm sure that's your main focus sure that's not your main focus tonight. is? tonight. jacob. what is? >> be, um, touching >> no. i will be, um, touching on it. my main is this on it. my main focus is this ridiculous, uh, level of ridiculous, this, uh, level of regulation . it's coming in on regulation. it's coming in on importing dangerous apples into the from europe . those the uk from europe. those fiendish europeans may be poisoning our apples. and the dunderheads at defra are getting very concerned about this, so have raised the rating on them and this seems me to be the and this seems to me to be the antithesis brexit antithesis of brexit. brexit was about openness free about openness, about free markets, about reducing regulation , we're now markets, about reducing regulatiregulatione're now markets, about reducing regulati regulation one now markets, about reducing regulati regulation on things putting regulation on things that are perfectly safe for no good that's my good reason. so that's my opening shot. and there was an argument made at the weekend . argument made at the weekend. >> i think lord hannan made the argument that we could buying argument that we could be buying argument that we could be buying a cheaper food from other a lot of cheaper food from other parts the world, we're parts of the world, and we're just doing it exactly same. >> arguments. make >> arguments. i wish to make that instead of making it harder to pound cheese to import half a pound of cheese from france , we should make it from france, we should make it easier import the cheese from easier to import the cheese from

the it gives the rest of the world. it gives more choice to consumers, lowers prices, the benefit of brexit that for in 2016. that we argued for in 2016. >> is any of this going to happen general election? >> well, the extra costs are going be put before the going to be put on before the election. why are we making election. so why are we making people really people worse off? this is really bad politics. >> it doesn't make much sense to me. that's all going to be me. well that's all going to be with in a seconds with jacob in just a few seconds time. done for the day. back time. i'm done for the day. back with you tomorrow night. live at 7:00. have 7:00. before that, let's have a look all important weather. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. evening i'm weather on. gb news. evening i'm alex deakin. >> this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news a bit of a drab start tomorrow, but it should cheer up in many locations with some sunny spells and it's going to get windy once more across get very windy once more across scotland during tuesday night and winds and into wednesday. the winds pretty light the moment. it's pretty light at the moment. it's not isobars across the not many isobars across the chart, but this low has been making wet day over making for a very wet day over parts of wales and northern

england. the rain is going to start to ease through this evening. have a met evening. we do still have a met office yellow warning in place and soggy over and it stays pretty soggy over much england much of northern england and wales the in the wales through the night in the far south. generally dry and cloudy further north it's dry and clear and cold. a frosty night across much of scotland and northern ireland, so a cold start here, but we should see plenty of sunshine tuesday. plenty of sunshine on tuesday. good england and wales good chunk of england and wales will fairly drab start . will be fairly drab to start. pretty dank and drizzly. still over eastern england, but the rain will light and rain will be light and continuing to peter out at, and the cloud should start to melt away. so certainly for wales, a much day and much brighter day and brightening up over northern england too. may stay fairly england too. it may stay fairly cloudy south—east. cloudy in the south—east. ten celsius cooler than celsius here, so cooler than today. sixes and today. elsewhere, sixes and sevens. and then the winds start to pick up later in the northwest, very windy northwest, getting very windy across scotland on wednesday we'll see a spell of heavy rain coming through well. there's coming through as well. there's a office yellow warning in a met office yellow warning in place northern scotland for place for northern scotland for the the wind, but the strength of the wind, but also wet and windy also turning wet and windy across northern ireland late across northern ireland and late in see of in the day we'll see some of that and weather that wet and windy weather in

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gb news. >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nafion jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation tonight , the department nation tonight, the department for environment, food and rural affairs is deliberately sabotage brexit by imposing protection trade checks on safe goods coming from the european union needs , making food more needs, making food more expensive for you. it's been four years since we left and we haven't had any checks, so why do we need them now? the house of lords continues on its tirade against the only viable solution to the migrant crisis. the rwanda plan . reports suggest the rwanda plan. reports suggest the bolshie barons want to delay the bill until after the election .

bill until after the election. but is it their right? and speaking of migration, a sunday times investigation has revealed that the racket that is our university system, which is effectively selling immigration, encouraging thousands of people to come to britain in spite of the public mandate to reduce it. plus, i'll be asking why conservative government is trying to ban smoking and vaping when there are so many more important things to do. state of the nation starts now. i'll be joined by most malicious panel this evening. former brexit party mep anunciata rees—mogg and the author and broadcaster amy nicole turner. broadcaster amy nicole turnen as always, i want to hear from you. of the you. it's a crucial part of the programme. me programme. email me mailmogg@gbnews.com. but now it's you've all been it's what you've all been waiting the news of the day waiting for. the news of the day with polly middlehurst . jacob.

with polly middlehurst. jacob. >> thank you and good evening to you, will. the top story from the newsroom tonight is that leicestershire police has referred itself to the independent watchdog over its investigation of assaults, allegedly committed by valdo calocane before he went on to kill three people in nottingham a few months later , he'd a few months later, he'd attacked two work colleagues at attacked two work colleagues at a factory in kegworth in leicestershire in may the same yean leicestershire in may the same year, the prime minister said he hasn't ruled out an inquiry into the nottingham attacks. the families of the victims have angrily questioned the mental health support given to calocane, condemning the disgust lack of a public inquiry into the murders of their loved ones . the murders of their loved ones. now two more people, aged 20 and 22, have both been arrested today in connection with the deaths of two teenage boys who were fatally stabbed in bristol at the weekend . floral tributes at the weekend. floral tributes have been laid at the scene where 15 year old mason wrist and 16 year old max dixon died after being attacked on saturday night . a 44 year old man