have displayed that he and they have displayed and the constructive nature of our dialogue over the past few months . throughout our dialogue over the past few months. throughout our discussion , it has never been in discussion, it has never been in doubt that sir jeffrey's prime concern was to secure and reinforce northern ireland's place in the union. i would also like to thank the other political parties in northern ireland for the patience they have shown during this time . i'm have shown during this time. i'm pleased that the dup have agreed to accept the package of measures that the uk government has put forward and as a result, they are ready to return to the northern ireland assembly and nominate to the nominate representatives to the northern ireland executive . i northern ireland executive. i can confirm that today i have updated the cabinet on this significant development and, as agreed with sir jeffrey, and obviously subject to the finalisation of all party talks today, i will tomorrow publish the details of the proposals we have made to secure northern ireland's place in the uk internal market and to strengthen the union. i believe

that all the conditions are now in place for the assembly to return, and i look forward very much to the restoration of the institution at stormont as soon as possible. there was a financial package worth over £3 billion offered to the parties before christmas. this will absolutely be available to an incoming executive of the parties entitled to form an executive are meeting today to discuss these matters and i hope we will be able to finalise this deal with the with those parties as soon as possible move as soon as possible and move forward . and after that, i'm forward. and after that, i'm happy. the question ipp . what happy. the question ipp. what has changed to get to this position doesn't have any beanng position doesn't have any bearing . on tom bradby northern bearing. on tom bradby northern ireland should be kept open . um, ireland should be kept open. um, so no, it hasn't affected divergence in any way, shape or form. however what has changed has been, i guess, a an

understanding on my part of the needs of unionism in northern ireland and on the uk government's part and for a very long conversation with the democratic unionist party on how we can, um , make better , uh, we can, um, make better, uh, northern ireland's place in our internal market. i'm a youtuber , internal market. i'm a youtuber, so i had to release the money now for public sector pay awards as a goodwill gesture . um, i, as as a goodwill gesture. um, i, as i say, the financial package will be available to the incoming executive . uh, some incoming executive. uh, some sky, um, figures state to repeat what has changed. >> are there going to be fewer checks on goods coming from great britain to northern ireland? >> how will northern ireland's place be different under this deal than it was previously ? deal than it was previously? >> or is it just a smokescreen? nothing really. >> um, there are some significant changes, but you will have to wait until the packages or not. the package is finalised, but the football party talks are finalised. and when i published deal in

when i published the deal in parliament, um, everyone will see what it is. how could they be a deal? >> the basis of a secret? >> the basis of a secret? >> it's not a secret package. we've been talking because it is a it's been a negotiation a sam. it's been a negotiation and the negotiations have been between the democratic unionist party and the uk government. we have been talking to them over a penod have been talking to them over a period of weeks and months. the there is a package in place now that we are now briefing the northern ireland political parties on. there all party parties on. there are all party talks going on this afternoon in northern ireland, which i'm going to head off after this press conference to when they are finalised, they'll a are finalised, they'll be in a position publish will. position to publish and i will. chris bbc thank you. chris mason, bbc thank you. >> just picking up on sam's question, secretary of state on on specifics of goods that on the specifics of goods that are dropping from cuban to northern it right northern ireland is it right that they will be able to make that they will be able to make that journey without checks and without paperwork? just a follow up question earlier about the money given the border strikes on thursday, you're explicitly saying that that money doesn't get complete , get released until complete,

that the individuals you saw on the roads in all likelihood, appear beyond that point. on thursday. >> um, so yes, i the money is available to an incoming executive. and so when the executive. and so when the executive sits, that money will be freely available to that executive to deal with as it sees fit. and public pay. um is i mean, is rightly a matter that is devolved and, and so i believe the right people to be doing , uh, believe the right people to be doing, uh, that element of this business, um, when it comes to. i'm afraid you will, chris. have to wait to see that, to see the deal to wait to see that, to see the deal. but, um, we have been able to achieve quite a vast array of decent improvements to make sure, to make sure our internal market works properly , uh, as it market works properly, uh, as it should do. and you'll hopefully be able to see those tomorrow . be able to see those tomorrow. uh, john pt fi harrison kathy gyngell . being consulted. gyngell. being consulted. >> belarus . kinsey schofield

>> belarus. kinsey schofield piers pottinger um, i and government colleagues talked our european union partners on a regular basis and i will continue so well , that was continue to do so well, that was secretary for northern secretary of state for northern ireland, chris heaton—harris, almost explaining the deal that has been struck to allow governments to return to northern ireland. >> to reiterate, northern ireland has been without an executive, without a government for two years now and that's meant that there hasn't been across the board pay rises for pubuc across the board pay rises for public servants. it's mean that pubuc public servants. it's mean that public service is have been struggling because there's been no executive that can run these things that can change these things that can change these things over two years of a penod things over two years of a period of fairly high inflation. >> yes. they've been in a state of political paralysis. is this a step in the right direction or is this the breakthrough we've all hoping for? let's cross all been hoping for? let's cross to stormont now speak to gb to stormont now and speak to gb news. northern ireland reporter dougie dougie, thank you dougie beattie dougie, thank you very joining us. we dougie beattie dougie, thank you veryheard joining us. we dougie beattie dougie, thank you veryheard there ining us. we dougie beattie dougie, thank you veryheard there from us. we dougie beattie dougie, thank you very heard there from the we just heard there from the northern ireland secretary over here. is your take on what here. what is your take on what we've seen overnight ?

we've seen overnight? >> well, we were in press conferences after 2:00 in the morning this morning and, uh, yes, all saying that they're happy with the deal. no. yet meat on the bones. it's not there. we haven't seen this yet, but we pretty much know what they have been talking about over the past few months . um, over the past few months. um, it's been going on. the deal has been going on for a year since the framework document. but really in the last few months is often in these deals in the last few years. that's when things start really coming together. and it's all been around trade and how goods move inside the uk, because of course , northern uk, because of course, northern ireland was held outside the uk. legislation which meant that we had to have green and red lanes checking our goods coming in and problems really around third world, rest of world, uh, trading. that's goods coming from a third country to a third country and then entering northern ireland. and 70% of northern ireland. and 70% of northern ireland's trade is with the uk. it's not with the eu .

the uk. it's not with the eu. and that was hurting businesses rather badly in northern ireland. and it was looking at an all ireland economy and even in the protocol it actually the tax and it said the protocol was there to protect an all ireland economy. i do believe that will probably be changed. uh, the lanes have, have very much reduced and trade issues are no longer the same as they used to be. uh, because because of, uh , be. uh, because because of, uh, this, this deal. i can't really go too much in the minutia of it, tom, of what i do know of it. but i can assure you that it is a lot better than the deal that was there. but it actually makes you wonder why just makes you wonder why they just didn't it the first place. didn't do it in the first place. this is going to be published tomorrow party tomorrow after all party talks have here in have taken place here in stormont. i'm just standing here at the moment, looking straight down see some of the down to see some of the politicians in and they politicians coming in and they will shift those press will shift into those press conferences. and what will happen will start happen then is they will start to, to negotiate , of which to, to negotiate, of which ministers are ministers are

going into which departments. and because of how the northern ireland government is put in place under the hunt, one party nominates in the next, nominates their in the next, then the next, then it goes back again all pick out the again and they all pick out the departments, they want departments, what they want to. so next few days the so in the next few days the timetable now does to be timetable now does seem to be set in these few days . uh, the set in these few days. uh, the british government will legislate, it will come into law , and then probably saturday, i would imagine that the northern ireland assembly will elect a speaker . and there from there on speaker. and there from there on in, uh, northern ireland will once again have governance. >> it's a hugely significant moment for northern ireland to finally have government again, at least perhaps by this weekend. but it does seem like it's an iterative process . the it's an iterative process. the northern ireland secretary was saying there's £3 billion there now on the table for public services in northern ireland. but he didn't go into detail in terms of what this shoring up of the internal market of the uk will look like. he said it would

make better northern ireland's place within the united kingdom. internal market, but we're going to have to wait until tomorrow to have to wait until tomorrow to see what these details are. i suppose we can only really go off the word of the dup . they off the word of the dup. they seem satisfied by this arrangement . arrangement. >> well, they do, because the dup do realise that that the union is not just in law. the union is when people feel happy in a place, well then they're not going to vote to be somewhere else. and you've got to remember there's three borders ireland. borders in northern ireland. there's the customs border that was place in 1926 by was put into place in 1926 by the republic of ireland. that's now the irish you have the republic of ireland. that's nov1constitutional you have the republic of ireland. that's nov1constitutional border have the republic of ireland. that's nov1constitutional border inive the constitutional border in northern ireland, which is still sovereign . it doesn't ever move . sovereign. it doesn't ever move. uh, unless, of course, there's a referendum . and then you have referendum. and then you have a nato border in northern ireland, because don't forget the repubuc because don't forget the republic of ireland are no longer in nato. because of longer in nato. so because of east west bodies, it's being set up. uh, there is a look at how unionist culture will be more to

the fore and financial packages in the round period, because of course, we were stopped from having steady air in northern ireland. it was capped at 20 million by the eu. so the likes of that huge gigafactory that was built outside london or is being built that state aid couldn't have came to northern ireland for that because gb, as far as they're concerned, is a third so why would any third country. so why would any foreign direct investment come into northern ireland? so we can only imagine in that deal that that also will have been addressed levelled the addressed and levelled the playing field and made people in northern happier northern ireland feel happier where which is running where they are, which is running right, schools running right, services running and most services running right, and most of businesses running right. >> and dougie , any idea of how >> and dougie, any idea of how this is being viewed by the european commission i understand that they're reviewing various documents . documents. >> well. well, they will be because there are quite a few , because there are quite a few, um , quite a few plays to um, quite a few plays to

unionism in this. and if you look at that, uh, italy could be asking for exactly the same thing. so could spain. and if northern ireland is taking goods from, say, australia to, uh, into britain , they're being into britain, they're being brought in as raw materials into britain, then made into a product that then brought into northern ireland to be brought into a finalised product and then put back in to the eu or then put back in to the eu or the uk or other european countries, will be saying we want that same deal. so europe has had to walk a very, very fine line in this and it's not surprising to me that they are examining the very details of this because i think part of the problem with the secrecy around this was that they they didn't want to, uh, involve other countries that may be asking for the same sort of conditions to operate in. dougie that is a really fascinating point. >> and do stay with us. we're going to take this point now to shaun the former shaun woodward, the former northern secretary. um northern ireland secretary. um shaun, thank you so much for joining us. what are reporter

dougie beattie was explaining? there to some extent , what there is to some extent, what people have described as a dual regulatory regime . um, northern regulatory regime. um, northern ireland experienced uk regulations and eu regulations . regulations and eu regulations. at the same time, things that are legal in the uk are legal in northern ireland, things that are legal in the eu are legal in northern ireland. it's almost like it's got the best of both worlds. is this a unique situation now for northern ireland? >> well, everything about northern ireland is pretty unique . uh, northern ireland is pretty unique. uh, so northern ireland is pretty unique . uh, so why would this be unique. uh, so why would this be any different? look, i think the first thing to say is it's good news that we're actually going to see government coming back into northern ireland. >> we've had nearly two years of effectively no government in northern ireland. >> and that's not been good for people, uh, in any shape or form. >> the second is my congratulate to jeffrey donaldson, because there are a lot of people who thought that he wouldn't be able to unite the party enough to get

agreement over the line. it's taken the best part of a year since the windsor framework to do that, but he's pulled it off and i think he must be feeling pretty relieved this morning . pretty relieved this morning. and having said that , it's not and having said that, it's not just about jeffrey donaldson. >> my real concern for what was happening in northern ireland was it was testing the political institutions as, uh, to destruction , and that if they destruction, and that if they didn't get back, we saw in the last few weeks the public on the streets of northern ireland protesting over problems , and protesting over problems, and there were real challenges coming towards . the political coming towards. the political institutions by there being no government. so i think the dup has been led by jeffrey in a way, which is basically said, look, guys, you might disagree with this. >> you may not be entirely happy with now what's being with even now what's being offered. and they're getting a pretty large bang, 3 billion to help them along the way . help them along the way. >> but nonetheless, a lot of

people in the dup hold out on points of principle . paul points of principle. paul jeffrey to negotiate jeffrey managed to negotiate that, and i think it's hats off to him. >> but also hats off to the dup, which has decided it wants to remain a relevant political entity within unionism and the main lion within unionism. >> and that will help, undoubtedly by getting them back into government now and sean, just to, uh, to just clarify or confirm this will definitely see the dup return to power sharing a return to government in northern ireland. >> and yeah , i don't see any >> and yeah, i don't see any reason why this won't happen. >> i mean, the, the key meeting that jeffrey pulled off was about ten days ago with the very small committee that he has to get behind all of this. the meeting that happened yesterday announced this morning, was the one where the larger group came together. and united, we know there were people protesting within the dup. they were leaking left, right and centre

over the last ten days to try and scupper this from going through that probably actually helped jeffrey in the end. >> there's a paradox there, but that's how the dup works . and that's how the dup works. and again, i think congratulations to him. i don't i mean we're going to see the detail of coui'se. >> course. >> and it might be that something in the detail that causes others to baulk. >> i think it's unlikely. >> i think it's unlikely. >> i think everybody, including >> i think it's unlikely. >> eu, nk everybody, including >> i think it's unlikely. >> eu, want'erybody, including >> i think it's unlikely. >> eu, want to (body, including >> i think it's unlikely. >> eu, want to see y, including >> i think it's unlikely. >> eu, want to see government the eu, want to see government back in northern ireland. >> and it's interesting, sean, the way you describe it, it's almost as if sir jeffrey has not just been negotiating with the united kingdom government, who've also had an eye to the eu, but also has been negotiating to some extent with his own party. it's almost like there's been so jeffrey donaldson, the hard liners within the dup, the british government with an eye to the eu, with the, the, the republic of ireland as well . my goodness, of ireland as well. my goodness, so moving parts in a such so many moving parts in a such a complex set of negotiations . complex set of negotiations. >> yeah, politics in northern

ireland is like that though the whole time . whole time. >> um, but having said that, you know, think rishi right know, think of rishi sunak right now . i know, think of rishi sunak right now. i mean, he's spending his entire time negotiating with the conservative party to remain leader. >> uh, keir starmer effectively had that negotiation when he saw off the momentum movement within the labour party. >> and clearly established himself as as the man in his own right. >> but to a very large extent, you know, this is new, new labour once again. so there's what we're seeing here is party leaders having to negotiate seemingly on the outside, but they're constantly negotiating on the inside. they're constantly negotiating on the inside . and i think one on the inside. and i think one of the things that makes keir starmer such a strong figure in politics right now in britain is his negotiations effectively with the labour party are behind him. >> he leads the labour party, rishi sunak problem is that he doesn't lead the conservative party. and what jeffrey donaldson has done in northern ireland today is effectively to establish himself as a very strong leader. he took on his

party, they didn't want to go with him initially. he knew he couldn't get them there initially . that's why it's taken initially. that's why it's taken such a time . he's won a lot and such a time. he's won a lot and let's be clear, 3 billion is a lot of to money have won for northern ireland, but it's the price that the british government have decided should be paid in order to get government up and running again. that's the main detail of really what these negotiations have been about . what these negotiations have been about. he's won a good deal >> everybody in northern ireland will benefit from that deal. whatever party they vote for , whatever party they vote for, everybody will benefit from that i >> -- >> what remains now, of course, is if the government gets up and running. and here's some interesting thoughts for you. they've got to immediately confront problem of public they've got to immediately confin1t problem of public they've got to immediately coniin northern blem of public they've got to immediately coniin northern ireland. public they've got to immediately coniin northern ireland. howic they've got to immediately coniin northern ireland. how do pay in northern ireland. how do they deal with that? they've got to negotiate the problems of the health service and the strikes and issues. that, and the pay issues. within that, they've got to deal with some bread and butter issues. and i think, again, what you might observe it would be observe here is and it would be hard the dup to want to hard for the dup to want to

acknowledge this, but let me, on their it. they've their behalf, do it. they've learnt a very painful lesson from the last elections in northern ireland two years ago . northern ireland two years ago. that lesson was this sinn fein weren't conducting an election on brexit and post brexit and the constitution and devolution arrangements. sinn fein ran on a platform about the cost of living . living. >> yeah they did and the dup went into second place in those elections because they were talking about things that ordinary people, people who worry about putting food on the table for their families, their pay, table for their families, their pay, their parents getting sick , pay, their parents getting sick, they talked about their bread and butter issues that matter and butter issues that matter and i think what's interesting here is that jeffrey, as i suspect, said to his party, we're in danger of remaining a party that talks about principles. >> but all we'll do is be able to talk and not be in power. >> and that's where i think, you know, the interesting parallels are with politics back here in great britain, because what keir

starmer is saying is , is we need starmer is saying is, is we need to talk about the issues that matter to people and what the conservative party is doing is talking about things like rwanda and i have to say that rwanda's jolly interesting, but bear in mind , and that brexit was all mind, and that brexit was all about saying to people, you're going to get control back over your borders if you vote to leave the eu. >> well, nearly eight years on, what control have the conservative party demonstrated? they have over our borders ? they have over our borders? >> none. >> none. >> they failed. >> they failed. >> well, on that note, shaun woodward, of course , uh, former woodward, of course, uh, former northern ireland secretary , northern ireland secretary, former labour member of parliament, really do appreciate your thoughts on this historic day in northern ireland. thanks for your time. >> good stuff. so rishi sunak needs to take a leaf out of, uh, sir jeffrey donaldson. >> have i have to say >> although i have i have to say sean was singing the praises of keir starmer, perhaps a little bit too highly. i don't know, maybe lot of northern maybe there's a lot of northern ireland keir starmer. it's ireland in keir starmer. it's quite battles you quite easy to win battles if you don't really declare your own

position, that. position, but i like that. >> he drew those parallels >> how he drew those parallels between politics in northern >> how he drew those parallels betwee|and.itics in northern >> how he drew those parallels betwee|and over in northern >> how he drew those parallels betwee|and over here>rthern >> how he drew those parallels betwee|and over here as|ern >> how he drew those parallels betwee|and over here as well. ireland and over here as well. very let us know very interesting. let us know what you think about this all gbviews@gbnews.com, but still to come, growing fears come, there are growing fears that the middle east crisis is escalating and could lead to wider conflict dragging in the united kingdom . united kingdom. >> this is good afternoon britain gb news britain's news channel.

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news . news. >> good afternoon britain. it is 12:24 and this morning on the, uh, data releases that we see from government , the office for from government, the office for national statistics released something really rather extraordinary . the number by extraordinary. the number by which it the number by which the united kingdom population will expand solely due to migration over the next decade. yes >> so the ons has essentially forecast that 92% of our population growth from 2021 to 2036 will be as a result of immigration. so according to the ons now, these are projections okay. so they may not always be 100. um uh real. they may not be 100% accurate, but they say that the population will increase by

6.1 million people by 2036. that's 12 years from now. now, 6.1 million people. that is the population of scotland. >> it is indeed. population of scotland. >> it is indeed . it's just over >> it is indeed. it's just over the population of scotland. it's equivalent to around 10% of the population of the country. and it comes at a time when we've seen a stuttering of infrastructure construction . we infrastructure construction. we can't build roads. we can't build houses, we can't build energy production . all of these energy production. all of these things have faced unprecedented obstruction at a time when we're seeing unprecedented population growth . these two things can't growth. these two things can't exist alongside each other forever. >> well, and crucially , it's not >> well, and crucially, it's not what people voted for when they voted for the conservatives. they voted for migration to go down. yet we're going to see 6.1 million people, 92% of which will come from immigration, added to the population. do those sums add up for you ? a 10%

those sums add up for you? a 10% increase in the population by 2036? is this something we should be happy about or is it a cause for great, great concern? and also if the government promises they will reduce immigration? now, i understand james cleverly, the home secretary, is going to announce more measures , or at least, uh, more measures, or at least, uh, update us on his measures on trying to reduce immigration. then what can he say to these figures? >> well, i suppose we could do a back of the napkin calculation 2026 is 12 years from now, 36 million 2036 is 12 years from now . so 6 million 2036 is 12 years from now. so 6 million million 2036 is 12 years from now . so 6 million people, now. so 6 million people, 6 million divided by 12, 500,000, 500,000 a year, half a million a yeah 500,000 a year, half a million a year. net migration for the next 12 years is what is implied. the ons is thinking about. that, of course, is lower than the migration that we saw last year. in the year before, but far, far higher than the tens of thousands that were promised back in 2010. >> yeah, let us know what you

make of this at home. are you shocked by these figures? are you not really surprised , you not really surprised, considering the level of migration we've had over the recent years ? i mean, let us recent years? i mean, let us know. vaiews@gbnews.com. absolutely staggering projections from the office for national statistics. they're 6.1 million. how can the conservative government that campaigned on reducing migration explain these figures? >> one caveat these figures are not solely migration . they're not solely migration. they're majoritary migration . so that majoritary migration. so that back of the napkin calculation , back of the napkin calculation, just to back of the napkin calculation , there will of calculation, there will of course be birth effects , recent course be birth effects, recent migrant population and of course, um, a slight , migrant population and of course, um, a slight, uh, migrant population and of course, um, a slight , uh, growth course, um, a slight, uh, growth from that includes coming from immigration. >> right. well uh, well, let's move on. let us know what you think about that. by the way, gb views at gb news. com because fears continue mount that the fears continue to mount that the drone that killed three drone attack that killed three us soldiers could us soldiers in jordan could escalate regional escalate into a wider regional conflict. rishi sunak continues to urge iran to de—escalate tensions middle east.

tensions in the middle east. >> this comes as both britain and united states announced and the united states announced and the united states announced a sanctions a fresh wave of sanctions against iranian officials and proxies in an attempt to tackle the domestic threat posed by the iranian regime. >> yes , we're now joined by gb >> yes, we're now joined by gb news political correspondent katherine forster, in katherine forster, who's in westminster for us. yes, we heard from rishi sunak yesterday, didn't we, that warning iran to de—escalate in the region. what's happened since ? since? >> yes that's right. and lord cameron at the foreign secretary talking to a group of arab ambassadors in parliament yesterday, talking about the need ultimately for a two state solution for israel and for palestine. now, that's something that, um, benjamin net yahoo! the israeli pm has made it very clear he's absolutely against. but lord cameron saying that the palestine people need a political horizon . they need political horizon. they need something effectively to aim

for, to hope for out of all this, when the horrors end that are currently going on in gaza , are currently going on in gaza, with the death toll estimated by hamas health officials to be well over 25,000. so yes , real well over 25,000. so yes, real fears over possible escalation following the deaths of these three us soldiers in this drone strike in jordan. i think the prime minister will be very glad indeed that he has put david cameron, the man who was prime minister when rishi sunak wasn't even an mp, as his foreign secretary, because it means that rishi sunak, to a large extent, is handing this over to him. and it really is a very big job. we've seen his , um, we've seen his, um, representative in the house of commons, andrew mitchell, um, talking, taking questions from mps this morning. talking, taking questions from mps this morning . lord cameron, mps this morning. lord cameron, meanwhile, is heading now to oman . it's meanwhile, is heading now to oman. it's his fourth meanwhile, is heading now to oman . it's his fourth visit to oman. it's his fourth visit to the middle east since he took

the middle east since he took the job at just a couple of months ago , and he's talking now months ago, and he's talking now about about possibly recognising about about possibly recognising a palestinian state officially doing that bilaterally and potentially, along with the united nations, to make it clear to israel that they're saying , to israel that they're saying, no, no, no, there's going to be no, no, no, there's going to be no palestinian state in the future. is really not going to wash, because without a two state solution, ian , britain and state solution, ian, britain and the us feel they can't see any way really towards peace . so way really towards peace. so let's see what happens with that. but yes, real concerns over tensions in the middle east, because of course this is escalating. isn't it? we've seen what's going on in the red sea. those houthi attacks now the west wants to say that these are separate incidents, but people in the region make very clear there is a link these groups, hamas , the houthis, hezbollah, hamas, the houthis, hezbollah, all ipso, all backed by iran. iran really has its tentacles

right across the region , and the right across the region, and the west might want to de—escalate , west might want to de—escalate, but it's far from clear that iran does really, really concerning stuff. >> catherine just finally, what are the what is the likelihood that we will see this sort of expansion, this spike out of something that the west believes it can control into something that we very much cannot control? we've seen a number of times in the last century what starts as a small issue can expand and grow and drag in countries, and before we know it , we end in a very, very dark place indeed . place indeed. >> yes, i didn't hear entirely what you said, tom, but i think you were talking about the risks of escalation, which are forefront in the minds of everybody in the west, and that really from the moment that we had those horrific terrorist atrocities, the slaughter of 1200 innocent israelis on october the 7th, that has been

the big worry in the west that this conflict, which began in israel in gaza, is going to widen , as seems to be happening. widen, as seems to be happening. and now, you know, they have been there's been a number of attacks on american bases , but attacks on american bases, but now we have seen at the first american deaths. now president biden has said that he will respond, we don't know exactly how, but , you know, respond, we don't know exactly how, but, you know, meanwhile, donald trump is coming along and saying, this is all happening because president biden is weak. and either among military analysts, no, clearly clear agreement on exactly what to do . agreement on exactly what to do. >> well, katherine forster , >> well, katherine forster, thank you so much for bringing us the very latest. there on a deeply concerning situation in the middle east from downing street. thank you much street. yes thank you very much to catherine. >> coming up, the winter of >> now, coming up, the winter of discontent, fresh strikes disrupt down disrupt commuters up and down the country. that's on our railways. we'll be looking at the economic impact after your headunes the economic impact after your headlines sam. is good

headlines with sam. this is good afternoon. >> tom. emily. thank you very much. and good afternoon from the gb news room. it's just gone 12:30. our top story this hour. the northern ireland secretary has hailed what he described as significant news after the dup backed a deal to restore a power sharing government . the party sharing government. the party has refused to take part in government at stormont for the past 700 days in protest against post—brexit trade arrangements . post—brexit trade arrangements. they say they'll now back a deal if new legislation is passed in parliament. speaking a few moments ago, chris heaton—harris says he'll publish the full plan tomorrow . tomorrow. >> i'm pleased that the dup have agreed to accept the package of measures that the uk government has put forward and as a result, they are ready to return to the northern ireland assembly and nominate representatives to the northern ireland executive . i northern ireland executive. i can confirm that today i have updated the cabinet on this significant development . significant development. >> a man in his 30s who was

armed with a crossbow has been shot dead by police in south—east london. met police say the man was trying to force his way into a building in surrey keys just before 5:00 this morning. he was reportedly armed with weapons and threatening to harm residents inside that address . unarmed inside that address. unarmed officers had tried to speak to the man but were threatened when police marksmen arrived and the man entering that building was then shot . the government says then shot. the government says that new visa changes will make a tangible difference to migration figures. that comes as new figures from ons project that immigration is due to add an extra 6.1 million people to the uk population by 2036. it means the total population in the uk is projected to hit 70 million by the middle of 2026. that's faster than the original forecast of 67 million. passengers are facing more travel disruption as train drivers launch a fresh wave of

walkouts in their long running pay walkouts in their long running pay dispute. train operators are urging passengers to only travel if absolutely necessary. the strikes were expected to be the first test of new legislation to enforce minimum service levels . enforce minimum service levels. and for the latest stories , sign and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or

a bit more private and a bit more serious. do you do you think that there was something in that perhaps. to the commons now where the mp for rutland alicia kearns and indeed foreign affairs select committee chairwoman , is making a chairwoman, is making a statement on the sale of the telegraph . telegraph. >> but this is an urgent question and opportunity for honourable members to make clear their concerns and views. >> known as much as it is for me to answer them. so i say be heard, be heard loud and clear. now straight after the issue, i shall be taking through the media bill, and i shall be making the for case this legislation in broad terms, i shall argue that a free media, not with by not interfered with by government indeed government or indeed governments, to articulate governments, able to articulate and a broad range of and reflect a broad range of

views, to speak , free to views, free to speak, free to create, able to project to the world what democracy ? a world what democracy? a plurality of views and debate truly mean is something important , truly mean is something important, something that we should value, and something that underpins what we mean in many respects by a free society. and of course, we all know that it's something we repeat, automate and like in a way that risks complacency . but as and like in a way that risks complacency. but as i and like in a way that risks complacency . but as i watched complacency. but as i watched the actions of authoritarian states during these times of turbulence, and as i see western democracies in a knot of angst over our own values , and as over our own values, and as i see our populations question if our values still matter from the safety of these shores, i am reminded of the need to make the case again and again, and again. so i cannot speak to this specific media ownership question , and i know that question, and i know that honourable members will understand that and help me keep within the tram lines that i have. but i can speak about media freedom, for media freedom, the need for media freedom, the need for media separate from media to be separate from political and government interference, importance interference, the importance of a domestically and a british voice domestically and internationally, the pride we

can feel in media institutions like those in the telegraph media group, some of which date back two centuries and which drove changes in this nation as profound as the great reform act , and whose writers to this day ask questions of all of us with ask questions of all of us with a rare, inquisitive , iveness and a rare, inquisitive, iveness and preoccupation with truth. i a rare, inquisitive, iveness and prec say, iation with truth. i a rare, inquisitive, iveness and prec say, and] with truth. i a rare, inquisitive, iveness and prec say, and iwith truth. i a rare, inquisitive, iveness and precsay, and i shallruth. i a rare, inquisitive, iveness and precsay, and i shall be]. i can say, and i shall be finishing shortly, that i will be these order, order! be hearing these order, order! >> please don't tell me what you're going to do. i'm in charge of the time. you're way oven charge of the time. you're way over. i expect you to now finish i >> -- >> and i can say, mr speaker, and i apologise for overspeed . and i apologise for overspeed. but i will be listening to the points made in the broadest of terms, and, i suspect, may agree with many of them. >> alicia kearns. thank you, mr speaken >> alicia kearns. thank you, mr speaker, for granting this important, question. important, urgent question. >> does hit the >> the minister does hit the nail on the head when says nail on the head when she says this from this is about freedom from government interference, although it's quite something to start by knowing get start by knowing we will get no answer our questions. answer to any of our questions. >> a very proud >> we have a very proud tradition of fiercely tradition of a fiercely independent press our independent press in our country, and a press which holds us in this place to account, and

a press which shines on a press which shines a light on misbehaviour both misbehaviour and misdoing both here and abroad. >> yet we see a situation where a paper of record , the daily a paper of record, the daily telegraph and the spectator , the telegraph and the spectator, the longest running magazine in the world, and my personal podcast of purchased by of choice, will be purchased by a foreign state. the concern here is not foreign ownership . here is not foreign ownership. it is foreign state ownership . it is foreign state ownership. and in this situation you cannot separate, shake and state. and these are our concerns. i worry when we look more broadly, we have allowed our media critical national infrastructure for our democracy to fall between the cracks. we have the defending democracy task force, which only looks at electoral concerns. we have the national security investment which has 17 investment act, which has 17 sectors, but of which have sectors, but none of which have the media. and therefore we have no protections for this sort of situation. have therefore four situation. i have therefore four questions. am hoping questions. i am hoping the minister will at least attempt to appreciate the to answer, and i appreciate the restrictions place . first, restrictions in place. first, are there any examples around the world of a nation with differing values be differing media values to be polite, acquiring the newspaper

of another country ? secondly, of another country? secondly, will commit to will the government commit to a national security investigation will the government commit to a nati mr >> i thank the honourable lady for her questions. now she is aware interest aware a public interest intervention notice has been issued in this case. that means that i am not able speak to a that i am not able to speak to a number of the points that will be likely raised, but it does also mean there are powers be likely raised, but it does also nthe| there are powers be likely raised, but it does also nthe enterprises are powers be likely raised, but it does also nthe enterprise acts powers be likely raised, but it does also nthe enterprise act that rers under the enterprise act that allow us to look into acquisitions of this nature, that allow to look at issues that allow us to look at issues of freedom expression , of media, freedom of expression, that allow us. we also have powers in relation to the national security act, which the cabinet office has a role in.

and will allow the secretary of state for culture to look at some of the questions that she raises. there will now be an investigation by the competition and markets authority, but also ofcom, will look into ofcom, and that will look into all these questions in great all of these questions in great detail that will allow the secretary of to state make a judgement on action she judgement on which action she next potentially next takes, and potentially a longer investigation whereby she would able then be offered would be able to then be offered a remedies or be able a particular remedies or be able to prevent a transaction. but i cannot speculate as to which actions she would likely take at this stage , the secretary of this stage, the secretary of state, thangam debbonaire. >> thank you, mr speaker , and i >> thank you, mr speaker, and i am frankly frustrated with the minister. >> i want to thank her for her answer, but. >> well, we go. alicia >> well, there we go. alicia kearns asking an urgent question on proposed of the on that proposed sale of the daily telegraph. a question about whether it will be editorial independent, whether a publication in this country should be owned by a foreign state, particularly one that is a dictatorship and alicia kearns , the chairman of the foreign

affairs select committee, did thank julia lopez, the media minister, for seemingly agreeing with the intent behind her question . question. >> although i'm not sure we quite got any specific commitments from the government there on the further questions that were asked, it seems like the direction of travel from the government is against this sale . government is against this sale. however, we haven't heard any detail in terms of whether or not they will step in to block it. >> yes, alicia kearns saying there is a precedent for the government to intervene on issues like this. she cited the case of vodafone, the sale of vodafone . the government vodafone. the government intervened on that, she said. why can't they? on this? also, there should be a national security investigation into the sale of the telegraph and the spectator to, i believe julia lopez. did say that the competition and marketing authority authority will be looking into it. so there you go. what do you make of that?

should a uk publication ever be sold to the uae? >> and is the cma , uh, a body >> and is the cma, uh, a body thatis >> and is the cma, uh, a body that is meant to be arm's length from government really going to come to the same conclusions as the government? how influenced will it be? big questions there. yes indeed. >> now, in other news, commuters across the country are facing rail disruption all this week as the main train drivers union, aslef , staged fresh strikes and aslef, staged fresh strikes and bans on overtime. >> yes, the prime minister has called the walkouts disappointing outing as train operators fail to enforce these new minimum service levels that the strikes minimum service levels act, meaning that train operators are legally allowed to tell some striking workers to show up for work they're legally allowed to enforce 40% service levels, but the train operators have chosen not to. >> they're having none of it, are they? well, joining us now is liam halligan gb news business and economics editor, of course, with on the money .

of course, with on the money. liam. now, we've been talking about the disruption to commuter batus. what impact will this be having on the economy ? having on the economy? >> of course it will impact the economy . emily. it's not just economy. emily. it's not just leisure travel. it's travel for work . work. >> uh, it's business confidence . >> uh, it's business confidence. it's, uh, people overseas will look at this. >> can't britain even get the trains to run, let alone run on time? and this train strike, it's now entering its third calendar year , believe it or calendar year, believe it or not. let's just have a look at some of the details here. i've got a little on the money graphic because it's never the same without a graphic. is it? >> it comes. so we had >> and here it comes. so we had the ban start the overtime ban start yesterday. actual is yesterday. the actual strike is from january the 30th to from today january the 30th to monday the 5th of february. it's a dispute between the aslef train drivers union and 14 train operators in england, though there might be 1 or 2 more as well. now aslef, the union says some members have had no pay rise for five years. that's

their beef . they're saying that their beef. they're saying that ministers aren't engaging with the process, but ministers are saying hang about, try. the process, but ministers are saying hang about, try . when saying hang about, try. when drivers are paid on average on average, 65 grand a year for a 35 hour week that only lasts four days. nice work if you can get it. so look, this is a big headache for rishi sunak. i think the prime minister understandably spoke about this new legislation , which the train new legislation, which the train operators could impose , as you operators could impose, as you say, tom, to make sure that there's at least a 40% service on these train lines across england . but the train england. but the train companies, they haven't got quotes. the bottle in the words of one minister, i was just speaking to, to impose these legal restrictions on strike action. so it is a mess and it's bad news for the government. of course , because it's generally course, because it's generally the government that gets the blame. uh, labour have been practically silent on this. some

labour backbenchers are saying, yes, of course we support the strike action. uh, but very little of that from the labour front bench. of course , because front bench. of course, because they don't want to frighten the horses as we get into general election season. liam can't the government train government compel these train operators introduce these operators to introduce these minimum service levels? >> why isn't it happening ? >> why isn't it happening? >> why isn't it happening? >> you would think so, wouldn't you, emily? because that's what the law says. but the train operators , they are, they operators, they are, they operate independently . they get operate independently. they get a lot of government subsidy , of a lot of government subsidy, of course, indirectly. but they are independent operators and it's you know, it may be that we're quite near to a resolution of this dispute. fingers and toes crossed. it may be that ministers and the train operators feel that to impose this law would up the ante , this law would up the ante, would really ruin relations completely. but i like you. i'm exasperated by these strikes, emily, and you have to wonder if they've been softly, softly for now into the third calendar year

and the strike still isn't resolved . you have to ask, resolved. you have to ask, should they be changing tactics and playing a bit more hardball? i certainly think that there's very little public support. opinion poll shows a lack of pubuc opinion poll shows a lack of public support for these train strikes going ahead, not least because , you know, whichever way because, you know, whichever way you cut it, these train drivers are very well paid. of course, aslef will say, mick lynch will say , but it isn't just about the say, but it isn't just about the train drivers , it's other train drivers, it's other support staff, other technical staff, maintenance staff who aren't as well paid as the heavily unionised, often long established train drivers. but still, the train drivers are the kind of flagship employees , the kind of flagship employees, the ones who are refusing to come to work in the highest numbers and it's more sort of new year misery for people trying to make a living . and hey, tomorrow you a living. and hey, tomorrow you got to hand in your tax return and a lot of those commuters, a lot of those commuters are on far train drivers far less than the train drivers are per year. >> but thank you very much for

your liam halligan . as your time. liam halligan. as always, economics always, gb news economics and business editor with on the money. i mean, what's the money. there i mean, what's the point having law if you point of having a law if you don't then impose it and then and point ? i can't and what's the point? i can't get my head around 60 5ka year. four days a week on average. some much than that . some earn much more than that. hmm. do you have any sympathy ? hmm. do you have any sympathy? >> it's more than the government pays trainee astronauts. >> is the union's job, pays trainee astronauts. >> is the union'sjob, i >> but it is the union's job, i guess, drive the guess, to try and drive the hardest . there you go. >> but from from trains to something a little bit more technologically impressive , elon technologically impressive, elon musk has announced that the first patients to receive a groundbreaking brain implant from neuralink is recovering well. >> this is all a bit odd. the product, called telepathy, uses a robot to surgically place a computer chip in a region of the brain that controls, moves . brain that controls, moves. >> but yes, elon musk says that the first goal is to enable people to control a phone or a computer. just by thinking. he says that initial tests show

promising signs of brain activity, meaning that patients with paralysis could one day overcome their conditions. >> i'm not sure about this one. joining us to discuss this breakthrough is applied futurist tom cheesewright. tom um, this sounds, uh, well, tom cheesewright. tom um, this sounds, uh, well , slightly sounds, uh, well, slightly terrifying . terrifying. >> i certainly think a lot of people will be thinking this is something out of a sci fi horror, rather than reality, but this is a technology that's been a long time coming. we've been developing computer developing direct brain computer interfaces for a long time, mostly for the sort of therapy reasons are the initial reasons that are the initial goal reasons that are the initial goal, at least, of elon musk's neuralink to allow people who are perhaps quadriplegic to have direct control via their brains of initially a smartphone, and maybe ultimately artificial limbs or a wheelchair. >> it does seem fascinating how quickly this technology is moving on. i saw demonstrations , moving on. i saw demonstrations, perhaps a year or two ago, of people playing a very simple pong game just by thinking,

moving sort of one, uh, line on a screen, up and down. this this seems like potentially there has been a breakthrough that means far more complex things can be controlled just by thinking , controlled just by thinking, well, there's lots of different aspects to this technology . aspects to this technology. >> the initial attempts to interface with the brain use actually quite thick prongs almost, that went into the brain, were quite solid brain, and they were quite solid . and so if the brain moved, they could potentially cause damage. one of the breakthroughs of technology is of the neuralink technology is much, threads which of the neuralink technology is m why threads which of the neuralink technology is m why you threads which of the neuralink technology is m why you need threads which of the neuralink technology is m why you need a threads which of the neuralink technology is m why you need a robotaads which of the neuralink technology is m why you need a robot tois which is why you need a robot to insert about insert them. we're talking about something is fraction of something that is a fraction of the diameter of a human hair, sort of 4 to 6 microns, whereas a human hair might be somewhere between 70 and 150. much , between 70 and 150. so much, much smaller human hair. much smaller than a human hair. and able contain many, and yet able to contain many, many in each thread, many sensors in each thread, that gives you a very rich amount data coming out of amount of data coming out of that area of the brain that control movement. >> but is there potential for damage to the brain here? this these are threads that are digging into your soft tissue . digging into your soft tissue. >> oh, look. absolutely. this is

a dangerous procedure . and a dangerous procedure. and they're you know, they're only going to be doing this on people who are volunteering at the moment because they've got very good volunteer and good reason to volunteer and want this, get want to try this, where i get more sceptical the more sceptical about the prospects quite prospects of this. well, quite possibly , but where, you know, possibly, but where, you know, i think actually only think it's actually only expenses. um, looking at the proposal for the for the research trial, but you research trial, um, but you know, where i'm a bit more sceptical perhaps, is this is a consumer product, something we might the future as might all want in the future as an a smartphone an alternative to a smartphone and, you having surgery and, you know, having surgery every years, every every couple of years, every time you want to upgrade your smart whatever smart brain or whatever we decide feels perhaps smart brain or whatever we d well , thank very much >> well, thank you very much indeed. cheesewright, indeed. tom cheesewright, appued indeed. tom cheesewright, applied i wonder what applied futurist. i wonder what elon musk, thank you for your time. wonder musk's time. i wonder what elon musk's game what's the goal? game plan is. what's the goal? i do worry about the evil scientist. >> the goal is being able to beat ai. you can't beat them , beat ai. if you can't beat them, join them. >> you could anything in >> you could put anything in your you? just your head. couldn't you? just put that makes you evil, put a chip that makes you evil, learn language, forget learn a language, forget duolingo, a language duolingo, just insert a language into your and you're into your brain and you're fluent, right? coming up,

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news >> good afternoon britain . it is >> good afternoon britain. it is 1:00 on tuesday the 30th of january. population explosion, immigration will contribute to over 6 million people to the uk by 2036, according to the latest figures from the ons. >> that's equivalent to the entire population of scotland, boosting the number of people in the uk by nearly 10. can britain

cope ? cope? >> shots fired a man armed with a crossbow and threatening to harm residents has died after being shot by armed police in south east london. our reporter is on the scene . is on the scene. >> back to work. northern ireland is to have a government again after two years of stalemate and abstention from the dup , who quit power sharing the dup, who quit power sharing over the brexit deal. without a government , public services have government, public services have languished . will workers now languished. will workers now finally get a pay rise? and at what cost . what cost. >> yes, and we're going to be speaking to sir robert buckland very soon indeed. i think we want to ask him. well, his view on these immigration stats coming from the ons or projections from the ons, that's the office for national statistics acas, of course, that the population could increase by

6.1 million people by 2036. i wonder what he has to say, because indeed , the government because indeed, the government always talking about trying to get down net migration . they've get down net migration. they've got various proposals, but of course we've seen record numbers under this government. >> course, the robert >> but of course, the robert buckland is also of the buckland is also chair of the northern ireland committee . and northern ireland committee. and this is a very crucial question . this is a very crucial question. what exactly has the government agreed with the dup to allow them to return to power sharing? we heard earlier from chris heaton—harris, the . secretary of heaton—harris, the. secretary of state, who said we're going to have to wait and see that we're not going to get the details of the deal until perhaps tomorrow. yes yes, well, we've got all of that to come, so keep your views coming in. >> gbviews@gbnews.com. we will get to some very shortly. but let's first get your headlines . let's first get your headlines. >> tom emily, thank you very much. and good afternoon from the gb news room. the headlines just after 1:00. well our top

story this hour. the northern ireland secretary has hailed what he's described as significant after the dup significant news after the dup backed a deal to restore a power sharing government. the party has refused to take part in government at stormont for more than 700 days in protest against post—brexit trade arrangements . post—brexit trade arrangements. they say they'll now back a deal , though, if new legislation is passed in parliament. chris heaton harris says he'll publish the full plan tomorrow. i'm pleased that the dup have agreed to accept the package of measures that the uk government has put forward and as a result, they are ready to return to the northern ireland assembly and nominate representatives the nominate representatives to the northern executive . northern ireland executive. >> i can confirm that today i have updated the cabinet on this significant development . significant development. >> well, in the last hour or so we've heard that the attorney general , victoria prentis, has general, victoria prentis, has ordered an inspection into the handung ordered an inspection into the handling of the nottingham stabbing case by the crown prosecution service . it includes prosecution service. it includes a review of the cps decision to

accept, accept valdo calocane guilty pleas of manslaughter based on diminished responsibility . victoria prentis responsibility. victoria prentis says the prompt and thorough review is needed to address concerns raised by the families of the victims. barnaby weber , of the victims. barnaby weber, grace o'malley kumar and ian coates . passenger are facing coates. passenger are facing more travel disruption as train drivers launch fresh walkouts in their long running dispute over pay- their long running dispute over pay. train operators have been urging passengers to only travel if absolutely necessary . downing if absolutely necessary. downing street says it will consider if they can strengthen minimum service level rules after train operators opted not to use the new law during these recent strikes. as left general secretary mick whelan says the government are just trying to give up resolving the row . give up resolving the row. >> it's been five years since some of my members have had a pay some of my members have had a pay rise. um we're not looking for a pay rise for the years of the years. three years the pandemic. years. three years ago, when inflation started going through the like many going through the roof like many other sectors, we asked for a

pay other sectors, we asked for a pay we then found out that pay rise. we then found out that the people, the privateers that we for had done a deal with we work for had done a deal with the westminster government not we work for had done a deal with th

the total population is predicted to hit 70 million by the middle of 2026. that's faster than the original forecast of 67 million, a man in his 30s who was armed with a crossbow has been shot dead by police in south—east london, met police in south—east london, met police officers said the man was trying to force his way into a building in surrey keys just before 5:00 this morning. he was reported armed with multiple weapons and threatened to harm residents inside the address. unarmed officers had tried to speak to the man but were threatened, and when police marksmen arrived, the man entering was then entering the building was then shot. entering the building was then shot . in other news, a review of shot. in other news, a review of supermarket loyalty schemes is now underway to see whether some pricing may mislead or disadvantaged shoppers . the disadvantaged shoppers. the competition and markets authority is reviewing schemes including tesco's clubcard and sainsbury's nectar. including tesco's clubcard and sainsbury's nectar . the including tesco's clubcard and sainsbury's nectar. the uk's antitrust regulator is looking into whether it's fair that cheaper prices are available

only to members , as the review only to members, as the review is expected to be finished by the end of the year. millions of people in england can now access and view their prescriptions on the nhs app. nhs england says each repeat prescription ordered on the app saves gps three minutes and saves patients 18 minutes. health secretary victoria atkins says the move to digital will ease pressure on pharmacists and cut waiting times . pharmacists and cut waiting times. pakistan's former prime minister imran khan has been sentenced to ten years in prison and we that comes after recent details have emerged that he has also been in prison since august. this month, the former cricketer has already been in jail on corruption charges, which he says are politically motivated . his lawyer says they motivated. his lawyer says they don't accept what they're calling an illegal verdict . calling an illegal verdict. that's the latest from the gb newsroom. for now . for more, newsroom. for now. for more, we're on gb news. com and you

can also get the latest stories by scanning the qr code on your screen. now, though, it's back to tom and . emily. to tom and. emily. >> well welcome back. now a man in his 30s who was reportedly armed with a crossbow has been shot dead by armed police in south east london. >> the metropolitan police say a man was trying to force his way into a building in the early hours of this morning, and was threatening to hurt the people inside . inside. >> us gb news reporter kristina curtis is in southeast london for us. she has the latest . tell for us. she has the latest. tell us, kristina, what exactly has happened? as we know , and what happened? as we know, and what steps will the police be taking now ? now? >> hello. so as you can see, there's still a very large police presence here in this estate in rotherhithe in south—east london. so what we've been told so far is that a man

in his 30s, at around 5 am. this morning was threatening to break into one of the property and harm the residents inside. he then is alleged to have started threatening officers when they tried to talk to him. armed police then came and by this time it is said that the man was inside the property and it then happens that they shot the man. they did provide first aid, but he died at the scene. two people were also injured, suffered minor injuries inside the property, so we've been out and about speaking to residents today as we said, you know, a really large police presence here. still, there's a very large police cordon as well. so it's really sort of having an impact on those living here. um, and lot of them say, you know, and a lot of them say, you know, it's been a real shock to see what's happened. in fact, one resident we spoke to who didn't actually appear on actually want to appear on camera, she that she camera, but she said that she heard loud noises , which she heard two loud noises, which she now believes is the gunshots . now believes is the gunshots. but other residents say, but other residents just say, you a really safe you know, it's a really safe community. here's two we community. so here's two we spoke earlier .

spoke to earlier. >> i was just looking at the news and it was the familiar background that i'm used to seeing every day, and it's seeing every day, and it's seeing it on on. not for the best reason, i think as well. it's not that nice . it's not that nice. >> yeah. because we know some of the people living here and it's just a bit difficult to imagine that somebody that we actually know a bit closer is having to deal with this. >> and we just read that the man actually inside house, >> and we just read that the man actu i lly inside house, >> and we just read that the man actui can't inside house, >> and we just read that the man actui can't evende house, >> and we just read that the man actui can't even imagine>use, >> and we just read that the man actui can't even imagine how you and i can't even imagine how you would function in a situation like that . like that. >> so the police watchdog, the independent office for police conduct, has launched an investigation which is standard for any fatal police shooting there. now, here on the scene and doing their own investigation and say that they'll be gathering evidence. so we'll say remain here on the scene and provide you with any more detail that we get. >> christina curtis gb news, reporter . >> christina curtis gb news, reporter. thank you very much for bringing us the very latest there from that rather shocking scene in south london.

>> thank you. yes. so we are joined by sir robert buckland, the former justice secretary and conservative mp for south swindon. thank you very much indeed for coming into the studio to talk to us. just your reaction to that story. we've heard absolutely shocking man heard absolutely shocking a man with allegedly with a crossbow allegedly threatening residents . shot dead threatening residents. shot dead by the police. what happens next? this is always controversial. when the police shoot , um, controversial. when the police shoot, um, someone armed, dead . shoot, um, someone armed, dead. fatally. yeah. um. what happens next? >> well, it's a very difficult position for the police because initially they have to confirm reports of, uh, firearms or weaponry , and then the armed weaponry, and then the armed response team will out and response team will come out and do the work they need to do do do the work they need to do every time there's a fatality, it has to be referred as a matter of course, to the independent office of police complaints. >> that's happened in this case. that's routine . um, put that's routine. um, but put yourself position of yourself in the position of police to make police officers having to make very fine calls fine very fine calls and fine judgements. obviously, we don't know full facts but know the full facts here, but these situations are difficult to judge. mercifully members of

the public have not been injured or killed . and we've got to or killed. and we've got to remember that at the end of the day, this person was armed and clearly posed a threat to innocent members the public. innocent members of the public. >> this all feeds into the feeling that britain is becoming more dangerous. we've seen what appears to be a shocking rise in stabbings and violence. we had the reporting on the tragedy in nottingham , uh, last week with nottingham, uh, last week with the sentencing . there are people the sentencing. there are people safe on the streets of london. >> yes they are overall crime is definitely reducing. violent crime has been reducing over a generation. what is happening is that there is a focus on the use of knives, particularly related either to gang and drug dealing and modern day slavery or indeed loners who for various reasons , loners who for various reasons, as we know in the case of the nottingham case, uh, often mental health related reasons will arm themselves in a way that makes them very dangerous.

so whilst these incidents are shocking and horrifying and remind us of how dangerous some people can be, the overall trends of violence in this country have been in the country have been down in the last 15 or so years. >> it's interesting because i suppose we see through social media and the like , so it seems media and the like, so it seems more visceral. it perhaps seems more visceral. it perhaps seems more real to us than just reading it in a newspaper. um, but but clearly there is an issue in certain parts of london and with certain weapons. i do want to move on, though, because we have learned this morning a pretty shocking statistic from the ons, expecting the population of the united kingdom to grow by 6.6 million people. that's around 10. it's more than the population of scotland in the population of scotland in the next 12 years. years uh, this will shock many people. it's quite a rapid pace of population growth, mainly driven by migration. yes and a projection, not a prediction. >> however , for these are

>> however, for these are important. if we are to plan ahead on our public services , ahead on our public services, schools, hospitals, all those important services that have huge pressures on them already now , i think a certain amount of now, i think a certain amount of population growth often shows a healthy and growing economy. but these numbers should concern us because at the same time that we have, let's face it, relied too much on immigration as a source of cheap labour. we've got a cohort of people in this country who aren't working . now, some of who aren't working. now, some of those people, i think , uh, with those people, i think, uh, with disabilities want to work , but disabilities want to work, but we haven't allowed them to overcome their obstacles. and i'm doing that work on autism at the moment, in particular. and i think that combined approach think that a combined approach of empowering people to of really empowering people to get into the world of work, not relying on immigration as a source of undercutting costs and being a source of cheap labour is going to be the best way forward . and it may well be forward. and it may well be these projections come down a bit, but i think it's better to have the honest reality be that at the moment, on current trends

, we're looking at quite a substantial i think the public feel lied to, though they've been promised reductions in migration the migration since the conservatives were initially elected, and since then, migration seems to be only going up the promise of tens and thousands seems, uh, seems a very, very far away , you say? very, very far away, you say? >> oh, we might see less than this. well, that's not enough for the british public. they are not relaxed about this. well, i think the british viewers certainly aren't. >> no , but but i talk to many >> no, but but i talk to many people on the doorstep about this issue year in, year out. and i have done for many, many years, i think where we have people coming to this country that bring a skill and actually enhance our economy, i think that's a good thing where you're relying on migration to undercut and, in effect, provide cheap laboun and, in effect, provide cheap labour. i don't think that's sustainable . i think it leads to sustainable. i think it leads to huge pressures. don't forget that people coming that for all the people coming in, a large number in, we still have a large number of leaving country. of people leaving our country. i think britain inevitably, think that britain inevitably, as one of the largest economies

in the world, in a pretty stable and safe part of the world, it's going to be that sort of honeypot attraction to many, many people to come many people who want to come here economic reasons, which here for economic reasons, which is why i think the government is entirely right to try and make sure whilst we, you know, sure that whilst we, you know, pulling up the drawbridge, pretending in pretending that we live in a castle going to be the castle isn't going to be the approach, we do have to tighten up and emphasise the point that we can longer just rely up and emphasise the point that we can longerjust rely on we can no longerjust rely on cheap abroad. if cheap labour from abroad. if we're to solve. we're going to solve. >> i think the government have let people down time time let people down time and time again so i'm not again on this issue. so i'm not sure any trust left when again on this issue. so i'm not chomes any trust left when again on this issue. so i'm not chomes immigration.:when it comes to immigration. >> make a fair >> well, look, you make a fair point. i think the reality is that , um, point. i think the reality is that, um, it's very difficult to predict, population predict, you know, population movements, free movements, we dealt with free movements, we dealt with free movements the eu movements when we left the eu that so people couldn't that ended so people couldn't just come here eu. and just come here from the eu. and you've numbers drop. just come here from the eu. and you'what numbers drop. just come here from the eu. and you'what we've numbers drop. just come here from the eu. and you'what we've seen bers drop. just come here from the eu. and you'what we've seen then drop. just come here from the eu. and you'what we've seen then isyp. but what we've seen then is a replacement, if like, by replacement, if you like, by non—eu coming here. non—eu nationals coming here. many what people voted for many of what people voted for though a though is it. well it's a reality. i mean control of our borders it doesn't appear borders and it doesn't appear like the truth like there is. well, the truth is, when we do now have in is, when what we do now have in

a sort of free movement a a sort of free movement is a control that we can control in the sense that we can award visas. and of course, we have shortages have huge shortages in social care and other types of occupation where we can't get enough people to work. >> isn't this the bizarre inconsistency we've got very high migration, but also a labour shortage and it seems very odd that we've had higher migration than ever. >> but you see, you can't walk down a high street in any part of the country without seeing the local pub desperate for people to there. i mean, people to work there. i mean, what's going on? how do we square that circle ? square that circle? >> about a million vacancies. i mean, that's a huge number. you know, in many parts of our country we have what would technically be as full technically be regarded as full employment and therefore we've had inflationary had a, you know, an inflationary effect and that's good effect on wages. and that's good in many ways. i want to see people having more money in their pockets, you know, come payday, their pockets, you know, come payday, that's going to payday, that's that's going to be this year we're be good. and this year we're going that. going to see more of that. >> but it mean that too >> but does it mean that too many people are coming as dependents not working, many people are coming as depen than not working, many people are coming as depenthan people/orking, many people are coming as depenthan people/orkirare rather than as people who are actually rather than as people who are act|here's thing. think >> here's the thing. i think that the government absolutely

right, example, with right, for example, to deal with the issue on the dependent issue on postgraduate the postgraduate students, the numbers couple like 80 or thousand couple of to like 80 or 90,000 very short space of 90,000 in a very short space of time. have to keep time. we just have to keep beanng time. we just have to keep bearing issues. my bearing down on those issues. my personal view is, i think, you know, undergraduate students, should them in should we be counting them in the figures? don't the immigration figures? i don't think we should. i think that still quite hundred still leaves quite a few hundred thousand coming in here still leaves quite a few hundred th0|every coming in here still leaves quite a few hundred th0|every year. coming in here still leaves quite a few hundred th0|every year. and ming in here still leaves quite a few hundred th0|every year. and therefore,ere net every year. and therefore, instead of just looking at the headune instead of just looking at the headline need be headline numbers, we need to be asking the question why? you know, why are they coming here? asking the question why? you knovwhaty are they coming here? asking the question why? you knovwhat is re they coming here? asking the question why? you knovwhat is it they coming here? asking the question why? you knovwhat is it theywe're1g here? asking the question why? you knovwhat is it theywe're tryingz? and what is it that we're trying to rather than just taking and what is it that we're trying to ratherther than just taking and what is it that we're trying to rather sortthan just taking and what is it that we're trying to rather sort ofin just taking and what is it that we're trying to rather sort of sledgehammer this rather sort of sledgehammer or indiscriminate or rather indiscriminate approach ? approach? >> but require housing. >> but students require housing. they often require health treatment . don't they often treatment. don't they often require a lot of resources. so surely they have to be in those figures ? figures? >> no, i don't agree. because what we should be talking about with migration is people who are coming basis coming here on a permanent basis . there are issues . now, i think there are issues about some the policing of about some of the policing of all frankly and the way all of this. frankly and the way in which people disappear into, should say, the grey area should we say, the grey area sometimes referred to as the black market. we have a number of people working irregularly. a

large in this large number of people in this country working irregularly. i've views about i've got very strong views about how normalise that and how we should normalise that and actually them into the actually bring them into the system, so we recognise who system, so we can recognise who these because i want these people are, because i want these people to pay tax and i want these people to pay for the pubuc want these people to pay for the public that provide. public services that we provide. now robert, we don't have much time left, i do want to time left, but i do want to touch on northern ireland. >> course, one of your other >> of course, one of your other hats being chairman the hats is being chairman of the northern and hats is being chairman of the nort deal, and hats is being chairman of the nortdeal, £3 and hats is being chairman of the nortdeal, £3 billion. and hats is being chairman of the nortdeal, £3 billion. we and hats is being chairman of the nortdeal, £3 billion. we know.nd this deal, £3 billion. we know about laws that will about some laws that will be changed don't know changed that we don't know about. there's almost this black box deal that we don't know the details of what do you make of it? >> well, in the coming hours we will know more. tom. the secretary of state, chris heaton—harris, has announced just now he will publish just now that he will publish what a command paper. what we call a command paper. that's policy that's a government policy document i'm told it's document tomorrow, i'm told it's going to 90 pages, going to run to about 90 pages, quite substantial document. quite a substantial document. and will be the detail and in that will be the detail of what's happening with the so—called red and green lanes. it sounds a customs it sounds like a customs declaration. that's what is. declaration. that's what it is. so red are all about so the red lanes are all about goods southern ireland. goods going to southern ireland. the republic, green lanes the republic, the green lanes

are about goods that are staying in the uk. and that's been where the admin problems have hit. businesses the dup have been rightly raising these issues. now seems that a large number now it seems that a large number of their concerns have been met, which good news. we need to which is good news. we need to see exactly how this is going to work, but i'm confident that now we progress. we can make progress. >> could be the abolition >> so it could be the abolition of checks for most goods going from uk or staying from from the uk or staying within uk and going on within the uk and not going on to the eu. >> yeah, to work out >> yeah, we need to work out because course goods from because of course goods go from great britain to northern ireland of them ireland and then some of them come because they're come back because they're processed might processed goods. there might be a we need to a difference there. we need to understand precisely what this means. but an of means. but from an eu point of view, see how items view, i cannot see how items coming into gb from coming back into gb from northern the northern ireland affect the single market at all. and i think if the eu have been consulted, which think they consulted, which i think they have, then should. i hope, have, then they should. i hope, be about it. be quite relaxed about it. internal matters that are properly for our united potentially the abolition of if you want to describe them as export checks, not really exporting country exporting same country but exporting same country but export checks from northern ireland potentially

ireland to the uk, potentially a complete abolition of those on goods. we need to see the detail . sirjeffrey goods. we need to see the detail . sir jeffrey has suggested that there will be a change that is meaningful. he's also talked about a change in our eu withdrawal law to prevent this sort of convergence issue that has concerned northern irish dup politicians about their relationship with the eu . so it relationship with the eu. so it all sounds promising. i know there are some voices who are still, still say it's not enough , but i think now let's not, let's not the allow the perfect be the enemy of the good. let's see that executive working because there's a huge range of pubuc because there's a huge range of public service challenges that northern ireland has to address. and people in stormont are and the people in stormont are best placed to do that. >> well. fantastic to speak to you.thank >> well. fantastic to speak to you. thank you very much, sir robert buckland, former justice secretary, conservative mp for south and of course, the south swindon and of course, the chair of the northern ireland affairs committee. you affairs committee. thank you very for your time. very much for your time. >> well, coming as french >> well, coming up, as french farmers >> well, coming up, as french farmeof paris, we'll be siege of paris, we'll be debating if net zero is

impoverishing farmers across europe. you're watching good afternoon britain on .

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news news. >> good afternoon britain. it's 1:25 and farmers are blockading major roads across france in what's been dubbed as the siege of paris . of paris. >> yes, dramatic pictures

they're seeking to stop food deliveries to supermarkets as part of ongoing protests against falling incomes, increasing bureaucracy and, crucially, cheap imports . cheap imports. >> so how is the british farming industry affected by these same issues, and is net zero impoverishing farmers ? impoverishing farmers? >> well, okay. joining us now to debate this is dairy farmer charles godby and the research director at the adam smith institute, maxwell marlow. uh, charles, i'll start with you as you are the dairy farmer, do you, uh , do you empathise with you, uh, do you empathise with what's going on in france ? these what's going on in france? these farmers are absolutely furious . farmers are absolutely furious. yes. they think that their the pnces yes. they think that their the prices of their goods are essentially being undercut by supermarkets, by the likes of aldi and lidl . aldi and lidl. >> yes, i do emphasise, empathise with them and it just shows what a dire situation and the strength of feeling that's out there to do. i agree with the extreme lengths that they go into. i don't think i do know,

but i can fully understand why they are doing what they are. >> charles, do you think >> and charles, do you think that the real concern here is this sort of, uh, hype capitalist importing of cheap food from overseas ? yes, but food from overseas? yes, but also from the, uh, from these cheap supermarkets that emily mentioned. how hard does that make life for farmers ? make life for farmers? >> i'll be honest, life is getting impossible. all we've seen our income import costs just spiral the uncontrollable most at times. and yet at the same time, we're being demanded to buy the supermarkets and larger retailers that we've got to produce for less and less . to produce for less and less. and we're seeing attacks almost from both sides. so yes, we're seeing our produce being undercut by cheap imports. now some may argue that that's a good thing. we're keeping the price of food down. for me, it's not good at all because we are producing under regulations that

demand that we have the highest animal welfare standards , we animal welfare standards, we have the highest environmental and sustainability standards in the world. and that comes at a cost to to us produce to those standards. so when we're seeing produce come in and undercut us that don't meet those standards , that don't meet those standards, it really is a kick in the teeth . maxwell, is it the same time ? sorry. >> uh, maxwell is it worth impoverishing farmers just to have a cheaper food in our supermarkets ? well, it's not supermarkets? well, it's not really impoverishing farmers. >> you've got to ask you. >> you've got to ask you. >> sorry, i'm just bringing in maxwell here. charles maxwell , maxwell here. charles maxwell, it's . it's. >> i mean, it's less about impoverishing farmers and more about providing a competitive deal for consumers. >> um, the great man himself, adam smith , who said no by means adam smith, who said no by means of glasses, hotbeds and hot walls, very good grapes can be raised in scotland, but nine times the price compared to france . france. >> and we wouldn't suggest, you know, or or know, growing coffee or wine or oranges here in the uk. >> so we need a lovely booming wine industry. maxwell where

where have you been? that is true. >> of course , in the south. >> of course, in the south. >> of course, in the south. >> but, um, you know, you know, people want drink merlot. >> p- p“ >> they still want to drink sauvignon you know, sauvignon blanc and, you know, a lot of the best stuff comes from abroad. and farmers need to be competing and, you know, competing and, um, you know, they're moment. they're not at the moment. >> yes. they're not at the moment. >> charles is right about high standards and those are expensive. unfortunately , expensive. but unfortunately, what seeing is very, very what we're seeing is very, very uncompetitive the teat what we're seeing is very, very ungovernment the teat what we're seeing is very, very ungovernment sucking the teat what we're seeing is very, very ungovernment sucking upe teat what we're seeing is very, very ungovernment sucking up ateat what we're seeing is very, very ungovernment sucking up a lot: of government sucking up a lot of government sucking up a lot of subsidy from the taxpayer, whereas, you know, consumers are paying whereas, you know, consumers are paying the price, whether through their taxes or through, of , higher food prices. of course, higher food prices. >> maxwell, we've been talking a lot about, uh, war or the prospect of an all out war. is it not vital ? only important it not vital? only important that that we have our own food suppuesin that that we have our own food supplies in this country and that we can be reasonably self—sufficient with something as important as food ? as important as food? >> of course it is. and nobody's arguing to, you know, abolish the farming industry. >> but , you know, they need to, >> but, you know, they need to, uh, become more innovative. when you capital spending and you look at capital spending and productivity the farming productivity in the farming industry, some industry, in the uk, it's some

of lowest in europe. and we of the lowest in europe. and we need have really serious need to have a really serious conversation about that, especially your especially following your previous you know previous segment about, you know , um, you know, labour shortages in industry we, um, in the farming industry. we, um, it's important that we it's really important that we have good sustainable industry have a good sustainable industry in the but you can do that in the uk. but you can do that in the uk. but you can do that in line a lot of the really in line with a lot of the really good free trading agreements that we should be going for. you know, during the second world war, example, we imported a war, for example, we imported a lot of food from we lot of food from the us. we didn't starve. did have didn't starve. we did have rationing. know, rationing. but, you know, that was ago. we need to was a long time ago. we need to be, you know, renewing those free trade agreements and trying be, you know, renewing those fregetade agreements and trying be, you know, renewing those fregetade agfoodrents and trying be, you know, renewing those fregetade agfood onts and trying be, you know, renewing those fregetade agfood on the 1d trying be, you know, renewing those fregetade agfood on the plates|g to get more food on the plates for also for britain, whilst also increasing our own sustainability. charles what about point that about that point that you shouldn't foreign competition? >> perhaps it should spur a greater level of efficiency in british farm output because british farm output because british farms are less efficient than, for example, new zealand farms or australian farms. >> well, i disagree, i don't think they are less efficient. we have some of the most efficient farming in the world here. but we're being held here. um but we're being held back , maybe to a certain degree

back, maybe to a certain degree by the rules and regulations that being enforced upon us. that are being enforced upon us. um, i'd like to go back about, you let's at the food you know, let's look at the food security this country security we have in this country in the 1980s, we were almost 80% self—sufficient in the food we produce today that's fallen by around about 25. and we only have to see what happened, uh, dunng have to see what happened, uh, during covid, during the start of the ukraine conflict. what happened to our just in time supply chain? we were caught with our trousers down. we saw empty supermarket shelves . and, empty supermarket shelves. and, you know, that just started a whole snowballing of you know, people queuing for food and not being able to get it. people queuing for food and not being able to get it . and that's being able to get it. and that's what led to the hyperinflation back then . um, and we also have back then. um, and we also have to ask the question is, what is cheap food? i would argue that food in this country is far too cheap. we are the third cheapest. what we spend on food in relation to our average income in the world. so let's not blame on that on that point,

because a lot of people looking at their bills every month will want food to be as cheap as possible. >> but do you think that people, good british citizen , should good british citizen, should give up the likes of aldi and lidl , uh, to help farmers . lidl, uh, to help farmers. >> um, no, not necessarily me, but i think we need to. i mean, all of the supermarkets, they're all of the supermarkets, they're all in, uh, competition with each other for getting footfall , each other for getting footfall, and you only have to just look at the sort of profits that a lot of these larger retailers are making. and and all we're asking really is for fairness in that supply chain . we don't want that supply chain. we don't want to see anyone institution taking the cream off at the expense of other people and other industries as well. so we have fair trade, fair trade in, in bananas, in sugar, in coffee. why do we not have fair trade in this country? because if it's not fair trade, it's unfair trade. >> well, charles, we started with you. we'll finish with maxwell. your response to those points .

points. >> i mean, we do have fair trade in this country. >> we have a very i mean, the whole point of fair trade is to remove slavery from, um, from from supply chains. i don't think have much slavery in think we have much slavery in this country. and not to mention , the fair trade , you know, the fair trade agreements were put in agreements that were put in place self—regulatory . um, place or self—regulatory. um, so, the british so, you know, the british farming is most liberty farming industry is most liberty to own fair trade to start its own fair trade agreements. um, yes. to start its own fair trade agreements. um, yes . we should agreements. um, yes. we should have profitable supermarkets. we want be want supermarket buildings to be there. reference covid, there. if we reference covid, for the logistical for example, the logistical supply chain rather than the farms the ones in trouble farms were the ones in trouble because once in because we had a once in a century pandemic. because we had a once in a century pandemic . we need to be century pandemic. we need to be really careful about how we talk about this, and you know, we didn't have hyperinflation. that was down to the bank was really down to the bank of england from , uh, a england rather than from, uh, a cost inflation. so i think, cost push inflation. so i think, i think the farmers are wrong here. we need cheap, cheap imports you know, to get imports for you know, to get food tables to and food on food on tables to and nounsh nourish our people. yeah. >> well, thank you very much indeed that great debate. indeed for that great debate. maxwell adam maxwell marlow from the adam smith maxwell marlow from the adam smitrwho is dairy farmer gobi, who is a dairy farmer himself . where do you stand on himself. where do you stand on that one? vaiews@gbnews.com.

>> well, coming up, we're discussing these shocking statistics from the ons that say immigration is due to add an extra 6.1 million people to the population by 2036. that's to come after your headlines with sam . sam. >> tom. emily, thank you very much. and good afternoon. from the gb news room. the headlines just after 1:30. the northern ireland secretary has hailed what he's described as significant news after the dup backed the deal to restore a power sharing government. the party has refused to take part in government at for stormont more than 700 days in protest against post—brexit trade arrangements . they say they'll arrangements. they say they'll now back a deal, though , if new now back a deal, though, if new legislation is passed in parliament. mary lou mcdonald , parliament. mary lou mcdonald, the president of sinn fein, says it's the president of sinn fein, says wsfime the president of sinn fein, says it's time for the country to come together. >> there has been a great sigh of relief , but also a sense of of relief, but also a sense of expectation now that all of us together for the common good,

put our shoulder to the wheel and get the best job done that we possibly for can every single person living here in the north. and of course, by extension, this is a great news story for all of ireland. >> this is an important, uh, this is an important part of the governance structure on our island, and it is a very welcome moment that we are here. >> the attorney general has ordered an inspection into the handung ordered an inspection into the handling of the nottingham stabbing case by the crown prosecution service . it includes prosecution service. it includes a review of the cps decision to accept valdo calocane guilty pleas of manslaughter based on diminished responsibility . diminished responsibility. victoria prentis says the prompt and thorough review is needed to address concerns that were raised by the families of the victims barnaby weber, grace o'malley kumar and ian coates a man in his 30s who was armed with a crossbow , has been shot with a crossbow, has been shot dead by police in south east london, police officers said the man was trying to force his way

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news. the people's channel, britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> it's 140 in the afternoon now. a teenager has gone on trial accused of killing four migrants who died attempting to cross the channel in a small boat. >> yes, the asylum seeker, ibrahim abbas, denies the charges of four counts of manslaughter and one count of illegal entry to the uk. >> well gb news reporter ray addison is at canterbury crown court following the proceedings . court following the proceedings. very interesting and shocking case here. what's happened in the court today ? the court today? >> well, in his opening remarks this morning, prosecution kc duncan atkinson told the jury that in the early hours of wednesday, the 14th of december, 2022, bar piloted a non—factor built inflatable small boat from the coast of dunkirk , france, the coast of dunkirk, france,

into the english channel. now this boat was made of very low quality material. the prosecution said, and its base could actually not hold the weight of its some 43 estimated passengers and that was double what it could safely have been expected to carry. plus add to that, there was only 30 life jackets available to whoever could grab them first. no flares , no radio. a distinct lack of safety equipment on board this boat. now, the passengers that were on board to make that journey were from afghanistan, iran, albania , other countries iran, albania, other countries as well. some were under the age of 18 and they paid as much as £8,000 to make that journey . £8,000 to make that journey. now, bar prosecution says did not have to pay because he had agreed to pilot the vessel. now, the jury heard that the boat quickly started taking on water and within about 30 minutes it had actually ripped open to the level of the passengers knees in

the boat, and people started to panic. the prosecution . says panic. the prosecution. says that during the trial, the jury will hear from one survivor who will hear from one survivor who will claim that bar was driving the boat too fast and had ignored requests to turn back . ignored requests to turn back. no one heard him say, although he does admit he thought he said it jokingly . i will either take it jokingly. i will either take you there or kill you all now . you there or kill you all now. eventually the boat did start to fall to fold up the bottom of the boat completely fell out and the boat completely fell out and the passengers all ended up in the passengers all ended up in the water. they were come to their rescue, came a small fishing boat. the rnli came along as well. border force and air ambulance to . however air ambulance to. however tragically four of the passengers on that boat, at least four drowned, 39 were taken back to dover. now the prosecution case is that bar had accept a duty of care by agreeing to be the pilot of the vessel. um, he was aware that the boat was over crowded, unsafe and then he was aware

that it had become unsafe . that it had become unsafe. seaworthy. duncan atkinson says. however, he continued going , and however, he continued going, and even when it was abundantly clear that there was an obvious and serious risk of death , now and serious risk of death, now the trial is expected to last 4 to 5 weeks, and it's important to 5 weeks, and it's important to say that bar has denied the charges . charges. >> just such a tragic case, such a tragic case, ray addison, thank you so much for bringing us those details. and we'll of course, be back with you as we learn more throughout the day. >> is that the first of its kind , that type of case? have we seen that before in the courts? i know, someone i don't know, someone accused. well, find out for you, well, we'll find out for you, but we're joined in the studio by former labour mp simon by the former labour mp simon yanchuk historian david yanchuk and historian david oldroyd—b bolt. so why don't we start with those shocking statistics from the ons projection , really, that say, projection, really, that say, simon, that immigration will add 6.1 million people extra to the population by 2036? that's the equivalent of the population of scotland .

scotland. >> yeah. so i think we're going from 63 million currently to 73 million in just a couple of decades. >> i mean, it's completely unsustainable. and we are the pubuc unsustainable. and we are the public services can't cope as the as it is now. >> so they're certainly not going to be be able to cope with further increases in the population. we are sleepwalking into disarray and disaster. that's the reality of it . and that's the reality of it. and we're just not taking action. we and the solution is relatively simple. these figures estimate , simple. these figures estimate, i think, net migration at 300,000 is what way higher than that every year. so the real figures are probably going to be higher than what these projections . we need to projections are. we need to tackle immigration and radically reduce it. we need to pay social workers , social care workers a workers, social care workers a decent wage , and we need to just decent wage, and we need to just be, uh, get more economically inactive people back into the labour market. that's a solution to this . to this. >> but, david, do we not want a growing population ? is there not

growing population? is there not an imperative in a in a world where most countries are reaching a certain level of development, we can't stand alone as this rich country with alone as this rich country with a small population , an a small population, an outstanding for very long, we will need a bigger population to compete. isn't it a desirable thing to grow our own economy, to frankly grow our own power ? to frankly grow our own power? >> yes. grow our own, not import it. the point is that for the past 25 years, this is not a new phenomenon. this explosion in population in the past 25 years, there has been more migration to this country than there was between norman conquest and between the norman conquest and the millennium. between the norman conquest and the and ennium. between the norman conquest and the and weiium. between the norman conquest and the and we haven't done anything >> and we haven't done anything nearly to expand nearly enough to expand services, to expand housing, particularly in a way that would make the sustainable. >> so we've added about 10% of the population from 1997 to now to do that again in the coming years, when we cannot build enough houses, the population can lag. housing lag in london alone is 28% behind what it should be. just to keep up with the current number of people,

never those coming to think never mind those coming to think that we're in any way capable economically structurally. economically or structurally. infrastructurally to build those extra houses to expand services in the way need do is lunacy. >> simon, why do you think you clearly feel very strongly about this issue? >> you'd like to see immigration radically reduced , but why are radically reduced, but why are so few of our politicians, politicians are visibly agitated by this in the same way as you, because they promise reductions in immigration and all we see is increases. yeah exactly. >> and it puzzles me. it genuinely puzzles me . and it's genuinely puzzles me. and it's become an immigration has become an increasingly important issue in recent times. the public have had enough of this and that's why we're seeing such a decline in support for the conservatives, because they've been seen not to deliver on these issues. and it's been , uh, these issues. and it's been, uh, at best, it's been exceptionally poor management. that's the reality . you had that reality. you had that conversation earlier with the

conservative mp about, uh, people who are coming into this country being able to bring relatives that's been happening under a conservative government there is no logic to that policy whatsoever. and only now are they beginning to decide to tackle it. why? why would they leave that? that's just one example. >> well, it is, and i think many right thinking people would , right thinking people would, would think that it's odd to have a migration system. so tips towards dependence rather than productive entities who are going to, you know , work in the going to, you know, work in the economy, fill the labour shortage that we have . but even shortage that we have. but even if we are to fill that labour shortage and we don't have dependents coming in, there is a huge demand for particularly low paid work that, frankly, many brits don't want to do . is it brits don't want to do. is it reasonable to expect , for reasonable to expect, for example , social care to continue example, social care to continue at the level it is at the price it is? if we radically reduce

migration , surely these prices migration, surely these prices will go up? >> yeah, they have to go up because social care workers have to be paid more. that's part of the solution. and as a country, i think what we should have also been doing is moving to a smarter , uh, economy, not smarter, uh, economy, not relying on simon. >> if those prices for social care go up, surely our taxes will have to go up too . will have to go up too. >> well, taxes don't have to go up . it depends what you spend up. it depends what you spend money on. doesn't it? and what up. it depends what you spend mo alsoyn. doesn't it? and what up. it depends what you spend mo also sufferesn't it? and what up. it depends what you spend mo also suffer from t? and what up. it depends what you spend mo also suffer from is and what up. it depends what you spend mo also suffer from is low what we also suffer from is low productivity. so in lots of pubuc productivity. so in lots of public services, productivity is exceptionally low. council officers aren't doing enough or , officers aren't doing enough or, you know, people working in the transport industry aren't doing enough compared to , uh, similar enough compared to, uh, similar industries in other countries. so we have to get more bang for our buck. it doesn't mean you have to put taxes up necessarily. >> well, it's interesting, david, isn't it ? david, isn't it? >> or frustrating, whichever way david, isn't it? >> ylookrstrating, whichever way david, isn't it? >> ylookrstriting, whichever way david, isn't it? >> ylookrstrit ,lg, whichever way david, isn't it? >> ylookrstrit , um, hichever way david, isn't it? >> ylookrstrit , um, that ever way david, isn't it? >> ylookrstrit , um, that when ay you look at it, um, that when people voted for brexit, for example, it is true that a lot of people saw that as being in

part a referendum on mass immigration that is true, without a doubt. a lot of people saw it as that that the economy would longer be so dependent would no longer be so dependent on overseas labour. conservatives have absolutely failed to take advantage of that opportunity to sort of rework the economy, whereby it can be more sustainable with immigration. yes precisely. >> and i don't agree with simon that that there is any doubt about why this is the case. there's no puzzlement about it. politicians simply have no idea how they are to reset the dependence of the last quarter century on low paid labour as a way of suppressing wages, because we don't grow the economy enough, because we don't have a productive enough economy on social care. there is a really simple answer stop looking to other people to look after parents and after your parents and grandparents. them back grandparents. bring them back into home. do what so many into the home. do what so many other countries do so well around and the around europe and make the family the active unit in the economy. >> david. but i take your point and i agree with you to some extent, but it always falls on

the women . always. the women. always. >> that is that has been >> yes, that is that has been the historical paradigm . the historical paradigm. >> to go out to work to that has been the historical well and which is in part down to the lack of housing, which it lack of housing, which makes it necessary to have two income providers have mortgage. providers to have a mortgage. >> are not isolated >> these are not isolated questions. these are all interlinked questions of how our society and economy have failed over past 25 years, partly over the past 25 years, partly by design and partly by default. >> put the nail on >> i think you put the nail on the there when talk the head there when you talk about how we structure our society, is potentially one of the why are the reasons why people are reluctant to bring older reluctant to bring in older relatives is because in relatives is because we live in such with so few such small houses with so few spare rooms, because we're about 4 million homes per person behind on a per person basis , behind on a per person basis, behind on a per person basis, behind the average european country . these are not simple country. these are not simple questions to fix. the conservative government or various shades of the conservative government over the last 14 years have tried three times to reform the planning system, to build more houses. uh, firstly, nick boles tried to do it back in the coalition era. you all remember those votes ,

you all remember those votes, simon. and then we saw boris johnson try to do it with robert jenrick's proposed reforms. the planning white paper. theresa may scuppered that and several by elections did too. and then liz truss tried to tentively, uh, tentatively do things with with these these low tax zones, with these these low tax zones, with decreased planning regulations to build more. she was, of course, turfed out. two politicians have been trying to fix some of these problems, but they keep being stopped and perhaps they keep being stopped by the voters , as i think that's by the voters, as i think that's the point. >> you cannot have both a desire for more housing and a desire to keep every single field in the country pristine and it's not simply about green space well simply about green space as well . is much brownfield . there is so much brownfield site, inner city site, uh, so much inner city area , just fallow. nothing being area, just fallow. nothing being done with it. and why, for instance, are there 1960s car parks with two listing parks with grade two listing meaning can't do anything meaning you can't do anything with knock them down and with them? knock them down and build houses. and this is the point. not flats, tiny point. not flats, not tiny little boxes you keep little boxes in which you keep people build houses suitable people but build houses suitable for families suitable

for families and suitable for intergenerational . intergenerational living. >> it is interesting . so many >> it is interesting. so many things point back to this issue, simon, but ultimately it's something that politicians have failed at. politicians of all parties have failed at for decades. parties have failed at for decades . is it parties have failed at for decades. is it just parties have failed at for decades . is it just too parties have failed at for decades. is it just too big an issue because it ties into this migration issue? it ties into the productivity in our economy . the productivity in our economy. frankly, the way in which we need to change things in this country to, to to, have this higher level of growth are just so profound . so profound. >> yes. it's well, it's about politicians having a vision, isn't it? and not just an isolated vision in relation to one policy as you've been making the point, you know, immigration impacts on housing, housing, architecture , impacts on architecture, impacts on housing, brownfield sites, greenfield sites. absolutely so it's a complex picture, but we need politicians who see the bigger picture and can deliver a vision and in some ways, i think bofis vision and in some ways, i think boris was on on that going in that direction. and then got scuppered for various reasons ,

scuppered for various reasons, is perhaps unjustly in fact. but you do need somebody who's got that bigger vision. >> but he was ideological, ideologically, very relaxed, with high levels of migration . i with high levels of migration. i think he fooled the public. do you think so? >> yeah. well he wasn't tackling it enough as well . but it enough as well. but nevertheless, we need politicians got a vision politicians who've got a vision who create . and blair was who can create. and blair was quite good at that. i'm not saying in terms of this particular issue, but in terms of that and of providing that vision and trying make government work trying to make government work and sense britain . and selling a sense of britain. >> yes, absolutely. >> yes, absolutely. >> bought into on >> david, people bought into on the of why , um, why a the point of why, um, why a politician seemingly so relaxed. >> seem like comes >> it does seem like it comes down to the treasury who see immigration in terms of a spreadsheet. and if you grow the economy, then gdp goes up. but the is, is that the problem is, is that individual quality of life has been down. gdp per capita been going down. gdp per capita has been going down. so the maths math thing . maths isn't math thing. >> i think of the big >> i think one of the big problems was that the conservative leadership after the essentially the 2010 election essentially accepted blair and accepted wholesale the blair and brown britain . and boris brown idea of britain. and boris johnson part of that. johnson is part of that. it's been a consensus.

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gb news way. >> explosion. immigration welcome people to the uk by 2036. that's according to the latest figures from the ons . latest figures from the ons. that's the equivalent to the entire population of scotland boosting the number of people in the uk by nearly 10. come britain cope shots fired a man

armed with a crossbow and threatening to harm residents has died after being shot by armed police in south—east london. >> our reporter is at the scene, still afloat . still afloat. >> rishi sunaks proposed rwanda asylum law has cleared its first major hurdle, with the house of lords voting to allow the to bill move to the next stage. but it faces a bruising ride as the archbishop of canterbury warned it is leading down it is leading the nation down a damaging path . we can't hear any damaging path. we can't hear any of the . news. of the. news. >> good afternoon from the gb newsroom. i'm sam francis. the headunes newsroom. i'm sam francis. the headlines at 2:00, the northern ireland secretary has hailed what he's described as significant news after the dup backed a deal to restore a power sharing government after more than 700 days protesting against

post—brexit trade arrangements. the party says they'll now back a deal if new legislation is passed in parliament. mary lou mcdonald, president of sinn fein, says it's time for the country to come together and a warning the following clip does contain some flashing images. >> there has been a great sigh of relief , but also a sense of of relief, but also a sense of expectation now that all of us together for the common good, put our shoulder to the wheel and get the best job done that we possibly for can every single person living here in the north. and of course, by extension, this is a great news story for all of ireland. >> this is an important this is an important part of the governance structure on our island, and it is a very welcome moment that we are here. >> northern ireland secretary chris heaton—harris says he'll pubush chris heaton—harris says he'll publish the full plan tomorrow . publish the full plan tomorrow. >> i'm pleased that the dup have agreed to accept the package of measures that the uk government has put forward and as a result,

they are ready to return to the northern ireland assembly and nominate to the nominate representatives to the northern ireland executive . i northern ireland executive. i can confirm that today i have updated the cabinet on this significant development . significant development. >> in other news, the attorney general has ordered an inspection into the handling of the nottingham stabbing case by the nottingham stabbing case by the crown prosecution service. this includes a review of the cps decision to accept valdo calocane guilty pleas of manslaughter based on diminished responsibility . victoria prentis responsibility. victoria prentis says the prompt and thorough review is needed to address concerns that were raised by the families of the victims. barnaby weber, o'malley kumar and weber, grace o'malley kumar and ian . passengers have been ian coates. passengers have been hit by more travel disruption as train drivers launched their fresh wave of walkouts. it's in a running dispute over pay . a long running dispute over pay. train urging train operators have been urging passengers to only travel if absolutely necessary . three absolutely necessary. three downing street says it will consider if they can strengthen the minimum service rules

the minimum service level rules after operators opted not after train operators opted not to use the new law during strikes. aslef general secretary mick whelan says the government are giving up trying to resolve the row. it's been five years since some of my members have had a pay rise. >> um, we're not looking for a pay >> um, we're not looking for a pay rise for the years. the pandemic is three years ago when inflation started going through the roof. like many other sectors, we asked for a pay rise . out that the . we then found out that the people, privateers that we people, the privateers that we work done deal with work for had done a deal with the westminster government not to give a pay rise. and to give us a pay rise. and there's move rip up there's a move afoot to rip up our terms and conditions. we our our terms and conditions. we still negotiations in still went into negotiations in good and they've behaved good faith and they've behaved despicably the uk's economy is projected to grow at a slower rate than expected , and that's rate than expected, and that's over the next two years. >> the international monetary fund says the uk will be the second worst performer in the g7 this year, with just 0.6% growth, while the imf says the uk economy is seeing some growth as inflation drops , it's warning as inflation drops, it's warning that the ongoing attacks in the

red sea could introduce new shocks to the global economy. the government says that new visa changes will make a tangible difference to migration figures, and that comes as new figures, and that comes as new figures from the ons project that immigration is due to add an extra 6.1 million people to the uk's population by 2036. it means the total population is projected to hit 70 million by the middle of 2026. that's faster than the original forecast of 67 million. a man in his 30s who was armed with a crossbow has been shot dead by police in south—east london metro police officers said the man was trying to force his way into a building in surrey keys just before 5 am. he was reportedly armed with weapons and threatened to harm residents inside the address , unarmed inside the address, unarmed officers tried to speak to the man but were threatened man but were then threatened when police marksmen arrived at the entered the scene. the man entered a building on the property and was shot. building on the property and was shot . a review of supermarket shot. a review of supermarket

loyalty schemes is now underway to see whether some pricing may mislead or disadvantage shoppers. the competition and market authority is reviewing schemes including tesco's clubcard and sainsbury's nectar. the uk's antitrust regulator, is looking into whether it's fair that cheaper prices are available only to members of those schemes. the review is expected to be finished by the end of this year , and a monkey end of this year, and a monkey on the loose in scotland has been cited as efforts continue to recapture him. thermal imaging drones are being used in the hunt for the japanese macaque, which found its way out of its enclosure at the highland wildlife park on sunday. well while not considered dangerous , while not considered dangerous, authorities are advising against approach to the animal and they are encouraging anyone who may see the creature to report it . see the creature to report it. for the latest stories, sign up to the gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. now, though, it's back to tom and . emily.

to tom and. emily. >> thanks, sam . now, rishi >> thanks, sam. now, rishi sunak's proposed rwanda asylum law has cleared its first major hurdle, with the house of lords voting to allow the bill to move to the next stage. >> but it faces a bruising ride as the archbishop of canterbury warned it's leading the nation down a damaging path . he was one down a damaging path. he was one of a number of critical voices in the upper house last night. yes there were but we're yes there were many, but we're joined conservative mp joined now by conservative mp and deputy chairman of the european group, dame european research group, dame andrea jenkyns. >> thank you very much >> andrea, thank you very much indeed for your time. now you are one of 11 conservative mps who voted against this bill. if you were in the house of lords, how would you have voted last night ? night? >> the thing is, it's very difficult, isn't it, because we don't want all these leftie amendments which waters it down even more so when it comes back to our house next week or the week after in the commons , then

week after in the commons, then week after in the commons, then we have a difficult decision to make because it could get through on the labour votes, because they want it to be completely watered down and we want to strengthen it. >> you know, we've got a lot >> so, you know, we've got a lot of work to do there in the background . background. >> fascinating. so you're saying as voted against the as someone who voted against the third reading of the bill in the commons, that you might be persuaded to vote in favour of this bill to prevent the labour party almost taking charge of it. >> yes it.- >> yes. it. — >> yes . yeah i mean, it. >> yes . yeah i mean, this is >> yes. yeah i mean, this is i think i need to speak to the other 11. it is putting us in a difficult situation , you know, difficult situation, you know, whether we abstain. but i think we need to use it as leverage to try and put pressure on the prime minister because we it's not strong enough. it's going to be completely watered down. we're going to be listening to the european court of human rights with the amendments, which we clearly don't want to do. so how vote in do. so how can we vote in support of something that? support of something like that? you we stop it, you know, we need to stop it, really, we? so it's that really, don't we? so it's that

really, don't we? so it's that really difficult situation. >> and andrea, how that a >> and andrea, how is that a task of putting pressure on the prime minister going? you of course, put in letter of no course, put in your letter of no confidence . two months ago confidence. two months ago i think we also had sir simon think now we also had sir simon clarke writing a blistering piece in the telegraph about how rishi sunak is not the man for the job. uh, yes. how's it? how's it going? do you rishi sunak still not have your support . support. >> oh, completely not. no, definitely not. um, but i think what's interesting at the moment is we're seeing different camps of the party. you know, i'm to the centre, we're seeing the centre, right? we're seeing some the lefties of the party some of the lefties of the party who the lib dems, are who i call the lib dems, who are doing plotting. i mean, doing their plotting. i mean, did today that is did you see today that kemi is part whatsapp group , did you see today that kemi is part whatsapp group, um, part of this whatsapp group, um, to well? and don't to oust him as well? and don't forget, she she really tried to push to oust, um, boris. so, um, there's it seems like other camps are sort of doing the work for us. really >> so are you saying that can kemi badenoch is someone that you would describe as being on

the of conservative party >> well , party >> well, she's she's good on the wokeist stuff, but i'd say look at her voting record . um, she at her voting record. um, she voted for all three. theresa may's deals. she voted for more . may's deals. she voted for more. net zero. and, um, she's known in parliament by fellow mps as a great pretender because what you see is certainly not what you get with the rhetoric that she puts out there . but i think it's puts out there. but i think it's going to be a turning point. again a further one this i again a further one this week. i mean , with the figures that mean, with the figures that we're the we're seeing today on the migration , i mean, that is an migration, i mean, that is an attack on british civilisation as we know it. we cannot cope with that kind of level . look at with that kind of level. look at pubuc with that kind of level. look at public services are already stretched and can you imagine the cost of putting people in hotels and i think we actually need to be pushing them back on france. why we pay millions of pounds a year to france when that's a safe country . we should that's a safe country. we should be sending them back there. >> andrea , do you think that. uh >> andrea, do you think that. uh kemi badenoch is, uh, is taking part in an evil plot to oust the

prime minister and, uh, make herself the leader? she was voted the most popular, wasn't she? by uh, conservative home? yeah but if you actually look at that, that was only 500 members. >> that's not exactly a lot, is it? so, um, and they're saying not many voted for boris, which i find that very hard to believe. i know in my own seat. um, i mean , look, kemi was um, i mean, look, kemi was a plotter against, um, bob ellis. let's not forget that. and she's not well thought of in parliament, in all honesty. i mean, i've seen the way she spoke to, you know, these great stalwarts of our party. bill cash, um, on the select committee, the european scrutiny committees. and she talks to them and schools them like they're children . she she she's they're children. she she she's not that well thought of by mps. in all honesty . in all honesty. >> it's interesting. it's almost sounds like the, uh, next leadership election is underway . leadership election is underway. hey, there are different mps, different caucuses with different caucuses with different preferred candidates . different preferred candidates. yes. um, but frankly, how really

sick is it that rishi sunak could be forced out and there could be forced out and there could be forced out and there could be yet another leadership election? not after boris johnson , after liz truss , after johnson, after liz truss, after rishi sunak, a fourth prime minister. this parliament is that a serious contention of yours ? yours? >> yeah. look, i mean, i mean , >> yeah. look, i mean, i mean, look, it looks bonkers without a doubt. however, you know what chance have we got now? this is last chance saloon. um, i think we need to get a new leader. one. what's centre right? because that's what the members are . and the members got to are. and the members got to choose this time. they shouldn't have foisted on them. like have foisted on them. um, like we did with, um, with theresa may, like we have done with rishi. we need a centre right leader who brings true conservative policies and then once they've selected one, obviously going to an election, we're in an election year anyway . so let them set the stall out and we're not going to win with rishi. unfortunately, the polls are demonstrating that. andrea, i appreciate you have very

strong views, but aren't you making it more likely that there will be a labour government ? will be a labour government? >> i mean, talking about kemi badenoch, example, so badenoch, for example, so negatively, not been negatively, has she not been effective as a minister? does all of info fighting? all this sort of info fighting? it look too appealing . it doesn't look too appealing. >> um, look, i'm a straight yorkshire woman. if i dislike somebody or if i think someone's incompetent or they're not doing their job incompetent or they're not doing theirjob or if i don't think they deserve to be prime minister, i'll say it of whichever party. and i think there's far better candidates there. she only got elected in 2017. there's far more experience people there, um, who who could be in the running if, you know, if the prime minister, are you up for the job? >> andrea? andrea, are you up for job? for the job? >> no, no , look, i'm not that >> no, no, look, i'm not that delusional. i'd get one vote from mps and that'd be myself. so i'm not delusional. i just so i'm not delusional. ijust want, um. i just want a true conservative leader in there . conservative leader in there. >> your team braverman. >> your team braverman. >> look, rishi is not effective . >> look, rishi is not effective. we behind in the polls is we are so behind in the polls is not cutting through. i gave him

a chance. especially with him saying he was going to roll back on net zero. um, because i want to just ditch net zero personally myself. look at the immigration. i mean, i think we need to come out really strong on this. and let's face it, trump said he'll build a wall. what's the equivalent? we can do in britain? we need to be ready and for andrea, and deliver for andrea, andrea, give who you'd like give us a name of who you'd like to see as leader of the to see as the next leader of the conservative party >> then top one. well well, i want see. want to see. >> want to see the right >> i want to see the right unite, because let's face it, there's a third of us there's only about a third of us on the centre right in the parliament so we would parliament party, so we would need behind one need to unite behind one candidate. so i'd like to candidate. um, so i'd like to see. well, either pretty kemi or suella, one of those three. i'll be completely happy. >> so kev's back in the mix. >> so kev's back in the mix. >> interesting. interesting stuff. andrea. oh, not so. >> oh not kemi. sorry. no, sorry. pretty pretty. jacob oh suella oh, that's a bit surprised that i wasn't a bit surprised. >> not not. >> not not. >> kemi it's been a fascinating conversation, but it does reveal that there is a huge amount of

division within the conservative party right now. >> the labour party is within laboun >>i laboun >> i mean, look what's going on, what you're saying, um , no, but what you're saying, um, no, but look what's going on with laboun look what's going on with labour. i mean, with corbyn sisters, i mean with with the signing the holocaust memorial book. i mean, that was abhorrent, wasn't it? what what, um, what she did to the labour mp. so so there's divisions in both parties. but seriously, this is lance chance saloon. i'm fighting to save our party to elect a leader who will actually vote . i mean, look at the vote. i mean, look at the telegraph polling. what was in. um. yeah, it was pretty dire graph. it said that. yeah, but people would come back if we had a true conservative leader. and so that's to me, that's our only chance. now >> well, thank you very much. really appreciate your time. dame jenkyns there, dame andrea jenkyns there, chairman of the european research group and course, research group and of course, the chairman the conservative deputy chairman . excuse me, uh, conservative mp of course. >> yes. really? really interesting stuff there. and we're going to be speaking to our political editor in just a

moment, because this is a fascinating question for rishi sunak. different sunak. he's got these different caucuses within party, and caucuses within his party, and to some extent, the question is, does he want to accommodate these or does he want these caucuses or does he want to fight them ? and perhaps this to fight them? and perhaps this is a decision that he should have taken a bit earlier in his premier. >> sure e sure he's premier. >> sure he's doing >> i'm not sure he's doing ehhen >> i'm not sure he's doing either. really just sort of either. he's really just sort of ignoring, hoping everything will be okay. what do you think? i don't know, i think that to some extent he has been to extent he has been trying to follow what some of these groups have been saying, can have been saying, but he can never what these never go as far as what these groups would like. >> perhaps in rishi sunaks >> so perhaps in rishi sunaks ideal world, would not have ideal world, he would not have been talking about the small boats the 12 boats crisis for the last 12 months. no but he's almost been forced into this position . and forced into this position. and perhaps if he had only been talking the economy, he talking about the economy, he might be in a more consistent well, he should have stuck well, then he should have stuck with chancellor. with being chancellor. >> shouldn't he, then? >> shouldn't he, then? >> an interesting point. >> if prefers point. » .. >> if he prefers talking about the economy and i then , uh, the economy and i then, uh, yeah, but but but again and again we do see that people do have their economic concerns as

their top issue migration. >> of course , a high issue. but >> of course, a high issue. but if anything, the prime minister talking much putting talking so much and putting so much parliamentary time on stopping boats has been stopping the boats has been turning people's eyes to parties like reform , um, which have now like reform, um, which have now been rising in the polls. i wonder if it's been a counterproductive strategy for him. >> not sure kemi badenoch would like to get stuck in a lift with andrea jenkins. >> that was fascinating. that was absolutely strong words. a it's almost as if the next leadership election , which leadership election, which probably won't happen until after the general election, has already it's going to be vicious on i think it's going to be it's going to be vicious, if indeed there is one. >> uh, do we have christopher hope our political editor, >> uh, do we have christopher hopchristopheroolitical editor, >> uh, do we have christopher hopchristopher ,)litical editor, >> uh, do we have christopher hopchristopher , thank editor, >> uh, do we have christopher hopchristopher , thank you:or, >> uh, do we have christopher hopchristopher , thank you very uh, christopher, thank you very much for joining uh, christopher, thank you very much forjoining us, listening to our interview there with andrea jenks , sir. quite andrea jenks, sir. quite revealing , but it doesn't help revealing, but it doesn't help rishi sunak . rishi sunak. >> no, i don't think so . >> no, i don't think so. >> no, i don't think so. >> andrew jenkins. yes, she's keen to be supportive where she can, but all everyone is talking

about right now , over in about right now, over in parliament where i've been is , parliament where i've been is, is the rwanda bill. and next week we're going to see the shape of these amendments and the in the house of lords the votes in the house of lords the votes in the house of lords the following week on the 12th and 14th of february. so and there's concern even amongst the peers i've been speaking to is what if this doesn't work? because what's happening at the moment they've this model moment is they've got this model as break this model the as to break this model for the for traffickers. but for the people traffickers. but people across people are coming across the channel are dying and channel and some are dying and that's not putting them off. so how can this work? is the concern the government has concern for the government has gone on this and gone all in on this plan. and if they over the line, they can get this over the line, maybe the statute book by the maybe on the statute book by the end april, for the first end of april, for the first flights taking may, that flights taking off in may, that will restore the morale in what will restore the morale in what will with will be a key month in may with the elections. the local elections. >> heard last night so >> chris, we heard last night so much criticism from so many lords. the lib dems tried to block the bill in its entirety . block the bill in its entirety. the labour party said we won't block this bill at this stage. we will just amend it. now that is going to protract this process of passage through

parliament by quite a degree. it's not realistic that these flights are going to get off this side of the summer. is it ? this side of the summer. is it? >> i think it is possibly realistic. >> i mean, what we're looking at is a thing called ping pong, which i know you and emily know about. tom but this is a exchanges between the house of commons and the house of lords. lord liz vane, formerly robert rogers, the former clerk of the house commons, very respect rogers, the former clerk of the house on commons, very respect rogers, the former clerk of the house on thismons, very respect rogers, the former clerk of the house on this field. very respect rogers, the former clerk of the house on this field. hey respect rogers, the former clerk of the house on this field. he talkedct expert on this field. he talked of 77 different exchanges back with a law and order bill back in two thousand and seven or so, so it could go back and forth, but it should get through because of the scale of the majority in the house of commons. and third commons. the second and third reading of 40 or so mps, and also the salisbury convention, which means that if it's in a manifesto, means it should go through the lords. that doesn't apply through the lords. that doesn't apply . but i don't think the apply. but i don't think the lords will want to shut it down. it will come to a crucial vote at third reading after it's been through various iterations of

being changed and strengthened as different. as it goes between different. the commons lords. and the commons and lords. and that's when the peers that's the point when the peers could i don't think could sink it. i don't think there's the will for that to happen. as lord lisvane happen. um, but as lord lisvane said night, he thinks it said last night, he thinks it shouldn't seen as commons shouldn't be seen as a commons versus lords issue. but a parliament versus government issue. that's we're issue. and that's where we're going it. going with it. >> a clever sort of >> and that's a clever sort of framing we're asserting framing to say we're asserting the sovereignty of parliament. it's parliament that's sovereign, government, sovereign, not the government, that's . therefore, that's sovereign. therefore, he can endorse lords can sort of almost endorse lords rebellions against how he would say the government, rather than parliament. yes. yeah. well exactly. >> i, i should i was just going to say before that today the day is about net migration. >> and the home secretary, home secretary james cleverly setting out plans cut net migration, out plans to cut net migration, which for our listeners and viewers is a far bigger number, maybe 300,000 could come off that 744,000 who came here last yeah that 744,000 who came here last year. if this if they get it right. so yes, illegal migration is a problem . it's around 30,000 is a problem. it's around 30,000 a year. but net migration is ten

times that in terms of what they want to get rid to stop coming here. and that could have a far bigger impact viewers and bigger impact on our viewers and listeners. yes indeed. >> well, you very much >> well, thank you very much indeed. our indeed. christopher hope, our political editor there, live from westminster. >> really really >> indeed. really really fascinating. debates between fascinating. the debates between the lords, the commons and the government but i think government. but also, i think some news that we uncovered with our interview with andrea jenkins, fact that some of jenkins, the fact that some of those 11 mps who voted against the government on rwanda, they might well end up supporting the government to strip out some of those amendments. really, those lords amendments. really, really . i think really fascinating. i think that's the first time that's been that's the first time that's bee funny these things go that's the first time that's beefunny these things go . >> funny how these things go. anyway, moving uh, some anyway, moving to, uh, some pretty horrific news. a man in his 30s who was reportedly armed with a crossbow has been shot dead by armed police in south—east london. >> the metropolitan say >> the metropolitan police say that the man was trying to force his building in the his way into a building in the early hours and threatening early hours, and was threatening to inside , and gb to hurt people inside, and gb news reporter christina curtis is in south—east london with the latest .

latest. >> uh, christina, the police will be investigating this incident. internal and of course, the case itself. if yes . course, the case itself. if yes. >> so i'm here in rotherhithe in south—east london, and i don't know if you can see behind me, but there's still a huge amount of police activity. um, after a man was shot dead by officers early this morning . so what we early this morning. so what we know so far is that the met police were called, um, at around 5 am. this morning after reports that a man with a crossbow was trying to enter a property and threatening people inside. so unarmed officers attended the scene first. the man is then alleged to have threatened them , but by the time threatened them, but by the time they called for backup and armed police officers arrived , it said police officers arrived, it said that the man was inside the property. now what we know is that police shot the man. they did a, um, they did provide first aid at the time , but he first aid at the time, but he did die on the scene . and we

did die on the scene. and we know that two people inside the property were also injured. now we have been here for a few hours speaking to residents around. like i said, there is a lot of police activity. there's quite a large police cordon as well, so it's really impacting the , some of whom, you the residents, some of whom, you know, hadn't even known what was going on. um, but a lot of them said they were shocked. some of them lady, we them had heard. and one lady, we spoke to, didn't want to spoke to, she didn't want to appear but she said appear on camera, but she said she heard two loud bashing noises. she described it and then a lot of shouting then obviously a lot of shouting . most of the feel . um, but most of the feel around here is a real shock , um, around here is a real shock, um, that this has happened in their community. this is what two people we spoke to earlier said. >> i was just looking at the news and it was the familiar background that i'm used to seeing every day, and it's seeing every day, and it's seeing it on the on. not for the best reason. i think as well. it's not that nice . yeah. it's not that nice. yeah. because we know some of the people living here and it's just a bit difficult to imagine that somebody that we actually know a

bit closer is having to deal with this. and we just read that the man actually got inside the house, i can't even imagine house, and i can't even imagine how you would function a how you would function in a situation like that. >> said , emily, >> now, as you said, emily, there has been an independent investigation , and that's why investigation, and that's why the watchdog , the independent the watchdog, the independent office police conduct. so office for police conduct. so what we know is that they have offices here and will be continuing to investigate it. >> well, christina's curtis , >> well, christina's curtis, thank you so much for bringing us that very latest from on the ground. of course, we'll be sticking with this story and this investigation as more is uncovered. >> but coming up, will >> yes. but coming up, we will be in windsor. because be live in windsor. why? because king charles and the princess of wales return home following their hospital . stay their time in hospital. stay with us. see you shortly

>> only on gb news, the people's channel >> only on gb news, the people's channel, britain's news channel . channel, britain's news channel. >> well, it's 227. king charles and the princess of wales have both returned home. they returned home yesterday after their time in the hospital post—surgery , the king was seen post—surgery, the king was seen smiling as he left the premises with the queen after three nights of medical care following his so his operation. yes, so kensington palace said the princess is making good progress as returned to windsor. so as she returned to windsor. so that's good news. and gb news royal correspondent cameron walker joins us now from windsor. >> cameron, this has been a tncky >> cameron, this has been a tricky time for the royal family. so many senior figures undergoing going hospital level

care are things now back on the road to recovery ? road to recovery? >> yeah, it certainly has been a struggle, tom. and if anything it has highlighted the fragility of this slimmed down monarchy, which we've spoken so much about over the last few years. but as you say, they are both back home, both the king and the princess of wales. we spoke when that news broke yesterday, didn't the princess of didn't we, about the princess of wales. i understand that her children prince george, princess charlotte and louis did charlotte and prince louis did not actually visit her in hospital, means presumably hospital, which means presumably the first time they saw their mother person in nearly two mother in person in nearly two weeks was when they returned home to adelaide home from school to adelaide cottage in windsor, close to where i am now, where the princess is expected to recuperate for three months. it's a recovery ahead. it's a long recovery ahead. she's not expected to be seen in pubuc she's not expected to be seen in public before easter. it was very much a private exit from the hospital as well. in contrast to his majesty the king, who chose a very public exit alongside queen camilla, he

was very happy to smile and wave to jubilant crowds who had to the jubilant crowds who had gathered outside the london clinic the clinic in the centre of the capital yesterday . a day earlier capital yesterday. a day earlier on, i spoke to some local residents the windsor residents around the windsor area and this is what they said . area and this is what they said. >> doddie weir being in hospital, as i know, with my own children. >> so i'm glad she's home. >> so i'm glad she's home. >> wish you all the best and hope better soon. hope you're feeling better soon. honestly, love to from honestly, lots of love to from all us. all of us. >> really well, i'm just very happy back from happy that they are back from the hospital. i wish them health and like yeah to do not be in hospital again when a lot of people we hear have been saying nasty things online, which i think is terrible . think is terrible. >> so let let kate know we're thinking of her. >> yeah, we wish them well. >> yeah, we wish them well. >> wish them both well . >> wish them both well. >> wish them both well. >> lots of love there for the royal family and perhaps it's a positive step as we look forward to the rest of the year. and have we heard anything from, uh , have we heard anything from, uh, prince harry and meghan

regarding the royal family's health, regarding king charles's health? >> i'm reading that there may be some, uh, issues at the archewell at the archewell production company . they've got production company. they've got lots else on it seems . lots else on it seems. >> yes. so bennett levin, he is the manager of archewell productions . and that's prince productions. and that's prince harry and meghan's company who've made that document. the netflix documentary that we had at the beginning of 2022. uh, kind of, uh, documenting their life as they left the working royal family. and he has now left archewell productions after two years serving as manager. he had a junior position before that. he's gone to a rival company in los angeles. some are dubbing it as a bit of a blow for harry and meghan . it's for harry and meghan. it's thought he is thought to be the 17th of staff working for 17th member of staff working for harry and meghan, who have left their service harry. their service since harry. meghan married in the meghan were married in the building behind me. now it could be perfectly innocent reason as

to why bennett has decided to leave . it could be that he leave. it could just be that he saw career opportunity, as saw the career opportunity, as many people do, decided to, many people do, and decided to, you his career. you know, progress his career. or was he jumping a sinking ship? if you remember the spotify deal that harry and meghan had was cut prematurely after one series of meghan's spotify podcast archetypes and one holiday special, spotify podcast archetypes and one holiday special , the netflix one holiday special, the netflix dealis one holiday special, the netflix deal is up for renewal in 2025. there's some speculation that the millions of pounds is not going to be renewed for a longer penod going to be renewed for a longer period and as we saw, of course, harry and meghan cosying up to the boss of paramount pictures on that red carpet in jamaica last week. so lots of speculation as to why bennett left, but nonetheless dubbed as a blow by some 17 individuals leaving the employ of harry and meghan does seem like a bit of an exodus, really. >> but, um, my goodness me, cameron thank you very much. >> first in a few years though, to be fair, that is over a penod to be fair, that is over a period of time. >> but cameron walker, thank you very much for bringing the

very much for bringing us the very much for bringing us the very from windsor. very latest there from windsor. >> do you what people >> do you know what some people say? harsh on harry say? we're too harsh on harry and and and meghan sometimes, and i do genuinely well. do genuinely wish them well. i do genuinely wish them well. i do genuinely them well, but it genuinely wish them well, but it would from them would be nice to hear from them on on king charles, you know. yes. just to just to say , you yes. just to just to say, you know, there's been this outpouring of love towards the princess and towards king charles from the british public. it's a shame we don't hear the same from from them, but perhaps they don't wish to make public statements. know, i statements. i don't know, i think lot of them just think i think a lot of them just want tricky thing with harry want the tricky thing with harry and meghan, as always, has been , and meghan, as always, has been, has been they don't want to be royals. >> they don't want to be senior members of the royal family. they don't want to doing all they don't want to be doing all of but on the of those duties. but on the other want to remain other hand, they want to remain the duke and the duchess of sussex , the titles they want, sussex, the titles they want, the titles they wanted, the fairy they wanted the titles they wanted, the fairy the they wanted the titles they wanted, the fairy the nice they wanted the titles they wanted, the fairy the nice bits they wanted the titles they wanted, the fairy the nice bits with wanted the titles they wanted, the fairy the nice bits with noneed all of the nice bits with none of the duty. i think that's of the duty. and i think that's what grinds people a bit the what grinds people a bit of the wrong way. >> let's hope everyone has >> well, let's hope everyone has finds but up, finds peace. but coming up, should ban agricultural should we ban agricultural imports to protect british

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something to look forward to later on. gb news former defence secretary, current leader of the house of commons and one time leadership candidate for prime minister penny mordaunt, has been speaking to our political edhon been speaking to our political editor, christopher hope. this is what she said when chris asked her if, as a royal navy reservist , she'd be ready to reservist, she'd be ready to fight if called up. look i have signed up to do this in the past. >> i have to say , chris, if >> i have to say, chris, if they're if they're calling on me at any point, we are really in trouble. but but look, i, in all seriousness , we need to be seriousness, we need to be a resilient nation. and that doesn't mean stepping up to pick up a rifle. what it means is that on anything that might happen to us in the future, we want our communities to be able to respond to that. when i rewrote this nation's resilience strategy, a civil strategy, standing up a civil defence force to be able to deal with some of the things that we currently ask our armed forces to do was of that to do was part of that suggestion , and we can take

suggestion, and we can take pressure off our armed forces by becoming more resilient ourselves. and that is something important that we should do . you important that we should do. you have been in this office before covering my campaign to build three new ships , assets , three new ships, assets, civilian assets. but for the government to have call on if they need to. that could take pressure off our fleet, our navy. so these are the sorts of things we should be looking at doing . doing. >> well, there we go. the big question of the week really, isn't it? and last week, would you, uh, for fight for this country if you were called upon . country if you were called upon. you can watch the whole interview on the martin daubney show at about 4:00. so stained . show at about 4:00. so stained. stay tuned for that. now. lots of you have been getting in touch. uh, we were discussing earlier. had bit of a ding earlier. we had a bit of a ding dong, a bit of a debate late on, essentially whether we take farmers for granted or whether we should stop shopping at aldi and lidl because they're undercut , saying british farmers

undercut, saying british farmers and paying them not enough for their produce , essentially. now their produce, essentially. now a lot of you have got in touch to say, i love aldi and lidl. i wouldn't stop shopping there. farmers products farmers should make products cheaper they don't like it. cheaper if they don't like it. uh, paul , for example, says aldi uh, paul, for example, says aldi is the best store in the uk and he it in capital letters he wrote it in capital letters to prove it. >> well, there you go, jenny says we are not looking at our farm after our farming industry. many of our farmers go out of business. they just can't make ends meet. they're obviously not fairly treated , but duncan says. fairly treated, but duncan says. >> duncan also says we don't have fair competition in our food industry. there are thousands of small farmers working for nominal hours. bring back the marketing boards to restore good wages and profits so farmers can invest become so farmers can invest and become more efficient. so i think we need to make it for need to make it easier for farmers. course we do. but i farmers. of course we do. but i do think it's a good thing that we competition down we have competition driving down pnces we have competition driving down prices shopping prices. otherwise, your shopping basket would cost a hell of a lot more . lot more. >> should we expand this conversation? because we're delighted be joined by our

delighted to be joined by our panel delighted to be joined by our panel. still, us in the panel. still, with us in the studio labour mp studio is the former labour mp simon danczuk the historian simon danczuk and the historian david aldridge . bolt and david. david aldridge. bolt and david. it's fascinating looking at these farmers protests. we saw some in the netherlands , we saw some in the netherlands, we saw some in the netherlands, we saw some in the netherlands, we saw some in germany, we're seeing them in france now. perhaps it's only of time before we only a matter of time before we see them in the united kingdom. but i suppose there's different things that these various groups are for. some are saying are asking for. some are saying lighten the load off us, take off this regulation and let us do our jobs. others are saying do ourjobs. others are saying block foreign imports so that we can be protected . i suppose can be protected. i suppose there's different ways in which you can respond to protests like this. yeah and one of them would to be impose massive controls and make people's food much more expensive at a time when people are struggling to and to are struggling to eat and to provide their families, i'd provide for their families, i'd suggest go i >> -- >> the 5mm >> the history of british politics over the last 200 years is in large part, the history of the debate between free trade and protectionism. but for those who are saying need who are saying we need to protect farmers, would protect our farmers, i would

point the british now point out that the british now pay point out that the british now pay lowest as a proportion pay the lowest as a proportion of their income for food in europe, and that's because we have trade. would we like have free trade. would we like to return the situation at to return to the situation at the of queen the beginning of queen victoria's where you victoria's reign, where you could spend 50 to 60% could expect to spend 50 to 60% of your income just for of your income just paying for bread when they had controls? or would we like it now, where you can reasonably expect to go to a shop depending on the shop and depending on the quality bread, loaf quality of the bread, buy a loaf for from 60 to, you for anywhere from 60 to, you know, £60 a couple of pounds . know, £60 to a couple of pounds. i suggest that the choice i would suggest that the choice should consumers. should be the consumers. it should be the consumers. it should imposed by should not be imposed by marketing boards or governments . marketing boards or governments. it not be imposed in a it should not be imposed in a way to protect an industry that should itself. should be protecting itself. diversification of free trade are the way for farmers to make money, not imposing protections that food unaffordable for that makes food unaffordable for the this country. the people of this country. >> simon isn't also the >> well, simon isn't also the issue, though, and the farmers in who are , well, they're in paris who are, well, they're blocking roads into the capital there no one protest. absolutely dramatic scenes, people sleeping on the sides of the road, farmers sleeping on the side of

the road wrapped in haystacks . the road wrapped in haystacks. it's quite something. they really are aggressively protesting this. and it's not just about banning import routes or making it , just about banning import routes or making it, uh, being more protectionist. there are other issues. so regulation bans on farmers, making it more difficult for them to make a profit , the burden of profit, the burden of bureaucracy, the burden of net zero coming from the european union too. so it's about a lot more than them just saying, oh, we don't want to import food from elsewhere . from elsewhere. >> depher yeah, i think that's right. and i think some of the solution is around and uh, reducing regulation reducing reducing regulation and reducing bureaucracy for farmers so that they can compete more fairly . we they can compete more fairly. we were always particularly good when we were we were in the european union following the european union following the european union following the european union rules to the letter where, where other countries were much more relaxed about it. and we do have that sort of culture within the united kingdom . so i think united kingdom. so i think government could do much more to make it easier for farmers in the uk to do business, uh, to

grow, diversify and to be able to make a greater profit out, like many of your listeners and viewers. i'm also an aldi fan. i love shopping at aldi. uh, and what's wrong with lidl? well, no lidl as well . what's wrong with lidl? well, no lidl as well. uh, but but what's wrong with lidl? well, no lidl as well . uh, but but but lidl as well. uh, but but but the supermarket markets generally have been making excessive profits . uh, excessive profits. uh, ridiculously high profits since particularly since the pandemic . particularly since the pandemic. and it does feel a little bit like we need to regulate the supermarkets a little bit more and regulate the farmers a little bit less. i think that's the solution . that's the message the solution. that's the message that politicians need to hear. >> what do you say to that, david, that we've seen supermarkets essentially, uh, making too much profit. >> they wouldn't be making profit if people didn't want to buy the things they had to offer at prices they were willing to pay- at prices they were willing to pay. sign of pay. this is a sign of supermarket supermarket success. it's a sign that they're doing their job it's a sign that they're doing theirjob properly, and their job is to provide a valuable service , one that people want to service, one that people want to use. they're doing that. think

how much more expensive groceries in this groceries would be in this country. did we not have tesco , country. did we not have tesco, asda, sainsbury's, the big three? >> and hang on, david, if the farmers are complaining that they are being essentially impoverished by supermarkets, not paying them enough for their produce, and that it could put them out of business, isn't that a matter of national security? almost having a level of food security? if you know, if they're selling milk to a supermarket and they can barely break even, that's not a good state of affairs, is it? or do we not care? >> i think have to take a >> i think you have to take a rather political and hard hearted people hearted view this people cannot afford homes to afford to heat their homes to buy food all at the buy sufficient food all at the same time, in a cost of living crisis when we've had suppressed wages so if the wages for 20 years. so if the supermarkets are making it easier for people to live and to feed their families, that is more societal good to my more of a societal good to my mind than keeping going industries that are unproductive or modernised or haven't modernised sufficiently can't make profit. >> might regret losing our >> we might regret losing our farmers, . farmers, though. >> we have to >> simon, i think we have to challenge to do

challenge supermarkets to do better their customers, and better for their customers, and we've seen , uh, there's market we've seen, uh, there's a market competition in into supermarkets at the moment in terms of how they use, uh, bonus schemes for individual customers, whether it's nectar cards or , or other it's nectar cards or, or other things. so there's a real consumers . consumers. >> be savvy enough, though, to see through. you know, we're not supposed to your way supposed to guide your way around these schemes around some of these schemes that they have. >> it's right and proper >> so it's right and proper that government investigate these government do investigate these matters behalf consumers . matters on behalf of consumers. we consumer champion. we need a consumer champion. >> industries supermarkets we need a consumer champion. >> veryindustries supermarkets we need a consumer champion. >> veryindustprofit supermarkets we need a consumer champion. >> veryindustprofit margins.'kets have very tight profit margins. we're talking 3 or 4% rather than the 20 to 50% that, for example, technology firms or clothing. doesn't that or clothing. doesn't that or clothing indeed. does it not show that there is pretty tight competition between these big supermarkets ? supermarkets? >> oh, and some are doing much better than others, but if you look at overall profits for supermarkets, they've had exceptionally good years. uh, whilst are facing a cost whilst people are facing a cost of living crisis and i'm just saying we need to challenge them to the consumer. to do better by the consumer. shall we move on? >> because i want to bring in

this interesting from ministers today. relates today. and this relates to social housing. uh, the idea that antisocial tenants should have a three strike and you're out policy when it comes to antisocial behaviour . so if antisocial behaviour. so if you're behaving like a bit of a yobbo consistently, you'll be ousted from your social housing and not be able to live in social housing anymore. is this fair enough? >> i think it is fair enough, actually. i think you get people on a small minority of on a very small minority of people. been people. uh, having been a politician, you would get the neighbours coming and complaining antisocial complaining about antisocial behaviour. and so there's a very small group of people who may cause real misery for the majority of people on an estate or in a block of apartments. i think it's right. the government should have been doing it soonen should have been doing it sooner. have to it's interesting. >> this is part of a package of measures seem to want measures that also seem to want to make people with a connection to make people with a connection to local area have priority to the local area have priority with regard to getting on to that social housing list, but also people who low , lower

also people who have low, lower than average wages. it seems like there's been an expansion in people who have wages that are much higher than those you'd expect to be on social housing in this subsidised accommodation. mhm >> well, i think one of the reasons is often that the uh areas surrounding social housing have higher rents and they don't want to pay it so they can and if they have been there for a while, they have right to stay while, they have a right to stay there. on the anti—social behaviour issue. i it is behaviour issue. i think it is absolutely social housing absolutely right. social housing is privilege. it is not is a privilege. it is not a right matter how you've right no matter how long you've been nor how long your been there, nor how long your families the area. been there, nor how long your famii es the area. been there, nor how long your famii es this the area. been there, nor how long your famii es this is the area. been there, nor how long your famii es this is a the area. been there, nor how long your famii es this is a generalaa. and i think this is a general point that could put across point that could be put across society. have been so lax society. we have been so lax over recent years, it seems to me, in policing properly antisocial behaviour public antisocial behaviour on public transport in public spaces, the very small minority who wish to do exactly what they want with no consideration for the rest of society, is not penalised and people to do people are often scared to do something because something themselves because there so there is a risk of violence. so david, presumably the majority of people living in social housing can't afford necessarily

private accommodation, private rented accommodation often so why is the government potentially making people homeless and are we . okay about homeless and are we. okay about that? no, because if you don't wish to be made homeless and your only option is, uh, social housing, don't act an housing, don't act in an anti—social way. there is an obugafion anti—social way. there is an obligation people. obligation upon people. as i say, is not right that say, this is not a right that they which they can then they have, which they can then act they wish. if act in any way they wish. if thatis act in any way they wish. if that is option, then they that is their option, then they must abide by the basic systems of civilised society. must abide by the basic systems of icivilised society. must abide by the basic systems of i canised society. must abide by the basic systems of i can foresee iety. coming up >> i can foresee this coming up against rights legislation. >> agree can't beat me out >> i agree you can't beat me out of house. of my house. >> it's against my human rights. >> it's against my human rights. >> that >> well, i can imagine that playing but if you go back playing out. but if you go back to blair era, we had to the blair era, we had a policy of zero tolerance in terms of anti—social behaviour, whether in housing or whether that was in housing or in neighbourhoods wherever in neighbourhoods or wherever else. and i think we really need to back but you to get back to that. but you mentioned part of a mentioned it's part of a package. what i thought is interesting, this local connection, says the connection, but it also says the in the proposals, families with a close connection to the uk. i mean surely it should be. so

they're giving choice. they're giving preference in social housing or they will do in this policy to families with a close connection to the uk. why not families who are from the uk ? families who are from the uk? that's what i find completely fascinating . it's uh it could be fascinating. it's uh it could be much stronger than that. give social to housing british residents first. >> well, this was sort of previewed in the guardian a few days ago as british homes for british workers. but it does raise the question over obugafions raise the question over obligations to refugees who, under various international treaties, we have signed up to , treaties, we have signed up to, we say we will house these people . does this mean that people. does this mean that perhaps we won't any longer be having same sort of having the same sort of obugafion having the same sort of obligation these obligation towards these refugees and if so, does that mean we're breaking treaty obligations? >> well, i think there's a i think become apparent in think what's become apparent in very recent weeks and months is that international treaties that the international treaties that the international treaties that we've signed up to many years ago not fit for years ago are not fit for purpose today in terms of the united kingdom . and purpose today in terms of the united kingdom .and i purpose today in terms of the united kingdom . and i think united kingdom. and i think there has to be a fresh review of what we've signed up to and whether it can be amended.

>> it is interesting. many, >> um, it is interesting. many, many countries many different countries now saying these 1950s saying that perhaps these 1950s era obligations runs from times when people really didn't move in the way that huge numbers of people now move around the world. uh, is this something that that the united kingdom government can take on? >> david, i think it's something that the united kingdom government take on. most government must take on. most of these treaties were made in the light of the second world war, with idea small movements with the idea of small movements of there of people within europe. there was absolutely perspective was absolutely no perspective then that there be vast then that there will be vast global migration, and that some of that will be driven by war, some by economics. and some by changes in climate. could changes in climate. how could they foreseen they possibly have foreseen that? we must that? and to say that we must stick with 70 year old stick with 70 and 80 year old treaties simply treaties and legislation simply because at the because they were nice at the time, an abdication of time, is an abdication of responsibility that no government has the right to abdicate. after the abdicate. we must look after the best interests of this country. thatis best interests of this country. that is the point of the uk government not to look nice in the eyes of people who are never affected by the results the affected by the results and the consequences of these pieces of legislation . legislation. >> on that note, thank you

>> well, on that note, thank you very indeed to simon and very much indeed to simon and david, of course. but up next it is the one and only martin daubney martin. what is coming up on your fabulous show ? up on your fabulous show? >> well, we've got a packed menu full of red meat, as you'd expect from westminster. first of all, ons data out today shows an extra 6 million will emigrate to the uk by 2036. can we cope? immigration nation is britain full? next will be crossing live to sheffield crown court , where to sheffield crown court, where a grooming gang leader will be sentenced for drugging and raping a 13 year old girl. we'll have all the latest on that. we've also got an exclusive with penny mordaunt, the conservative leader that the labour party fear the most. she's unveiling a new statue to help mark britain's role in ending the slave trade. that should raise a few eyebrows . and also, is it few eyebrows. and also, is it time for a farmers army for a french style revolution in britain? we've got a farmer who says that's exactly what we should do. that's all coming up after your weather.

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