this number do we need to slow this number down.7 if so, you tell me how do we do it.7 and train strikes again. are you backing them also? what on earth is the point of minimum service levels ? if of minimum service levels? if the companies involved simply are just not implementing them and let's talk farming, shall we? do you think we need to do more to support our british farmers? for example, would you be willing to pay more for money british produce in our supermarket gates and elon musk ? supermarket gates and elon musk? we know who he is. by now. his company, neuralink, has implanted its first ever brain chip into a human being. what do you make to this? is it a fantastic advancement in human possibility, or is it us simply playing god and we need to stop? and lastly , do we need our and lastly, do we need our coppers? or is it time to phase them out? not the policing variety. those in our pockets, our one and two peas. a penny for your thoughts on all of that

. yes, indeed. we're going to debate all of that and more over the next hour. but before we do, let's cross live to polly middlehurst for tonight's latest news headlines . news headlines. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. well, the top story from the gb news room tonight is that the democratic unionist party in northern ireland has backed a deal with the government on post brexit the uk government on post brexit trade agreements. that means we could potentially see power sharing restored at stormont by friday. the deal aims to end the nearly two year stormont boycott . full details were going to be published tomorrow . meanwhile, published tomorrow. meanwhile, here in london, westminster's northern ireland secretary has said the agreement is welcome and a significant step, while sinn fein's leader says she's optimistic about the future . the optimistic about the future. the dup leader, sir jeffrey donaldson, said today the deal will bring real change for the country . country. >> he we will work with all the parties in the executive to deliver for real change for

northern ireland, change that benefits everyone in northern ireland. as i have said consistently throughout this penod consistently throughout this period , i want an outcome that period, i want an outcome that both unionists and nationalists can support . can support. >> now a labour mp has said today that the party should fight the next election on a pledge to bring down net migration, and he said to under 100,000 migrants a year . migration, and he said to under 100,000 migrants a year. a migration, and he said to under 100,000 migrants a year . a raft 100,000 migrants a year. a raft of restrictions are due to come into force within weeks after rishi sunak vowed to do what's necessary to bring net migration down. speaking earlier to gb news, political editor christopher hope, khalid mahmood said the plan should be in labour's manifesto of our own people. >> we train the lesser those people will come in. >> what's your number, though, to ask you? >> i would certainly be very happy with less than less than 100,000, but we need to work at that and we need put that and we need to put training. we need the proper resources to training. we need the proper rescthose to training. we need the proper rescthose young to training. we need the proper rescthose young people to training. we need the proper rescthose young people working. get those young people working. >> manifesto . >> a party manifesto. >> a party manifesto. >> well, i certainly would like and think the labour party is

and i think the labour party is moving yes now moving towards that. yes now a man has been charged following a knife attack on a kosher shop in north london, the metropolitan police saying 34 year old gabriel abdullah is due to appear at willesden green magistrates court charged with offences in connection with an alleged hate crime. >> it comes after an incident in golders green yesterday in which a man allegedly shouted anti—semitic abuse outside the shop while armed with a knife . shop while armed with a knife. president biden has decided how the us will respond to a drone strike that killed three of its troops in jordan. speaking outside the white house this afternoon, he declined to reveal any details on what that response may look like, but he said the united states does not need a wider war in the middle east. a militia group backed by iran claimed responsibility for the attack on a us military base in jordan . mr biden's comments in jordan. mr biden's comments come after rishi sunak urged iran to work towards de—escalate

the situation . a man in his 30s, the situation. a man in his 30s, armed with a crossbow , has been armed with a crossbow, has been shot dead by police in south east london. the metropolitan police said the man was trying to force his way into a building in surrey keys just before 5 am. today. he was reportedly wearing body armour and armed with weapons as he threatened to harm residents as well. it's understood he was known to at least one of the occupants of the building. unarmed officers tried to negotiate with him, but he threatened them so police marksmen arrived and then the man tried to enter a property. we understand two shots were fired from a police firearms team . the prime minister has team. the prime minister has been accused of playing games rather than trying to help resolve the long running trade. drivers dispute over pay. it comes as passengers face continued travel disruption as aslef union train drivers launched a fresh wave of walkouts. downing street says it

will consider strengthening minimum service levels after train operators opted not to use the new law during strikes . the the new law during strikes. the shadow health secretary, wes streeting , said the government streeting, said the government isn't doing enough and i think it's appalling that despite the untold misery that has been inflicted on passengers , the inflicted on passengers, the secretary of state has not pulled his finger out to sit round the table himself. >> with the railway unions to negotiate an end to this misery. i think it's a disgrace that under this government we have seen poorer rail services at higher costs and higher fares rip off fares. in fact , and the rip off fares. in fact, and the workforce also feeling utterly miserable about the future of our railway network. >> wes streeting now the telecoms giant bt is facing what's been described as a remarkable £1.3 billion class action claim. the collective action claim. the collective action on land lines alleges that excessive and unfair

charges were placed on bt customers for landlines, and calls . bt argues it was calls. bt argues it was legitimate for companies to seek to maximise their profits and set their prices accordingly. if the case is successful, each customer could receive 3 to £400. the trial is expected to last eight weeks. it's for the latest on gb news stories go to our website gbnews.com and if you want to sign up for gb news alerts, scan the qr code on your screen right now. this is . gb news. >> thanks for that polly and michelle dewberry keeping you company till 7:00 tonight alongside me, i've got my panel of pr consultant alex dean and the co—founder of together, declan nation, alan miller. good evening gentlemen, to both of you. and of course, you guys at home are very welcome tonight to get in touch with me tonight . get in touch with me tonight. what's on your mind tonight? get

in touch. all the usual ways you can email me gb views at gb news. com or you tweet or news. com or you can tweet or text me at gb news. are you in northern ireland? for example? what you think about the what do you think about the goings there relating to goings on there relating to storm alex? thoughts? storm and alex? your thoughts? >> fan. i think that the >> big fan. i think that the more quickly we can restore local government to stormont, the better . the better. >> do you think it'll actually happen? ladies and gents at home, i'll let you be the judge of that one though. >> alan, i think should >> alan, i think it should definitely happen. and the sooner can do that, the sooner that we can do that, the quicker. on that. quicker. so we agree on that. >> well, you bring bring me up to with your thoughts. to speed with your thoughts. i do like hearing from you on the ground. in northern ground. are you in northern ireland? do you make to it ireland? what do you make to it all? let's talk more broadly though. when it comes the uk, though. when it comes to the uk, shall get this in shall we? because get this in statistics that have been released today, he's released today, i hope he's sitting because sitting down right. because these will these are shocking. you will never imagine what i'm to never imagine what i'm about to tell have seen it tell you. you won't have seen it coming. this will be completely news the uk news to you, not the uk population . it's going to be population. it's going to be growing now by huge numbers. i mean, i say this with a kind of

a little bit of sarcasm in my voice because we all know now, by now that things like net migration is out of control, but population now is set to grow by over 6 million people by 2030, 36. i press pause on that because you just have to absorb these kind of volumes. because you just have to absorb these kind of volumes . and these kind of volumes. and you're saying, alex and correct me if i'm wrong, you don't really see the problem using. it's quite pessimistic to be overly concerned . learned about overly concerned. learned about this fast population growth because to me it is a sign. and to many other people it's a sign that the tories have lost control of one of the key points that people voted on. for example , when we when it came to example, when we when it came to brexit, a few years ago, i'm quite liberal on migration and we're one of the largest islands in the world. >> i think there's a lot of space in the united kingdom. what i'm wholly opposed to is , what i'm wholly opposed to is, uh, a loose attitude towards illegal migration and people being, um , relaxed about people

being, um, relaxed about people bringing small boats across the channel like lawful migration to this country. as long as we control it. i'm entirely in favour of. and i think that if people can dictate what jobs people can dictate what jobs people are coming to and if they're coming to , uh, take they're coming to, uh, take a role that we want them to take and they're going to pay tax on that role, i'm very relaxed on that. >> so 70 million people, uh, ladies and gents at home by mid 2026, as i've just um, 2026, as i've just said, um, growing to about 73.7 million growing up to about 73.7 million people by 2036. are you relaxed about that, alan? >> well, i think it's important to say a couple of things, michel, about this. firstly, it's i'm not a malthusian, so we've heard that for over a century and a half that more people will there'll be pestilence and disease and illness. we won't be able to have the resources to do it. and lo and behold, we innovate, we invent new things. we have technology, we transform our relationship have relationship things and we have however, however , however, there's a however, there's a big concern, which is there's a big concern, which is the problem is that the people running in

running this country in the so—called opposition given running this country in the so—cé any opposition given running this country in the so—céany sense;ition given running this country in the so—céany sense about given running this country in the so—ceany sense about tween up in any sense about who we are, values are about, what are, what values are about, what british values and what we believe in. they have contradicted ideas around freedom and privacy and all these things, and we have an issue with the culture wars in britain and people want to say that it's just an election rift. as it's not it's as it happens, it's not it's deeply . we've got deeply problematic. we've got issues with questions around integration, we are. integration, around who we are. people talk about, let's get everyone the military. they everyone in the military. they don't what we want to don't even know what we want to fight for. in that context, having people coming in here and not a vision the not having a vision for the nafion not having a vision for the nation varne united behind it is where i see the real problem, not objectively. can manage not objectively. can we manage resources. a question for resources. that's a question for housing for economic policy, for infrastructure and how we handle it. >> but i can accept all of that. i can accept that the notion that our population then shouldn't expand if people are arriving in the united kingdom , arriving in the united kingdom, aren't willing to adopt our values and say that they are willing to be british and sing our national anthem, and to

adapt to our way of life. but the notion of having a larger population per se, i'm completely relaxed about that. and indeed , um, we've got one and indeed, um, we've got one the highest , and indeed, um, we've got one the highest, um, employed ratio in in our country that we've ever had. more people went to work today in the united kingdom than have ever been to work in the history of our country. great. but two, we've got more job vacancies than we've had in some time. right? which implies that we need to have more people here, not to come onto the workforce to, um, to claim benefits , but to come and work. benefits, but to come and work. right and we should welcome those people . those people. >> and that's the big problem right now, isn't it? and it's because we've got a situation where there are millions who are not working, people aren't getting paid enough and getting paid enough money, and too many people are benefits too many people are on benefits because seems like because it's actually seems like for better to for some people, it's better to be on a benefit than it is the kind of wage you're likely to get if you've got millions who are not productive and engaged

in society, and we aren't willing to inspire willing to be able to inspire them a vision around them around a vision around work, and to talk about our own productivity, about profit making, creation, making, about wealth creation, about innovation over the next 100 years. these issues around housing, infrastructure, housing, around infrastructure, around broken britain, our leaders , they're not like the leaders, they're not like the old patricians. they might have been bit snooty, but they had old patricians. they might have b

think that tories have just think that the tories have just completely them? completely failed them? >> don't, but think that >> i don't, but i think that there nuanced debate to be there is a nuanced debate to be had. >> the first point is that we failed in our national discourse to distinguish between law , full to distinguish between law, full migration, which has been larger than most people expected , and than most people expected, and unlawful migration , which has unlawful migration, which has been out of control. yeah right. so on the lawful migration point , it's very interesting. the most significant bloc of people who opposed the next wave of migration of the last wave. right? so people who say, i came here from india and i slept in a room five to a room and i worked my lungs out and i sent money back home. and i want to make a go of it. why should the next wave of people be coming here and they're able to send money back to poland or wherever, because the last wave generally speaking, from the commonwealth and the current wave of law got

to do with tory policy. so this is my point. so on the lawful side, people on the last wave of migration, they resent the next wave on the unlawful side, the inability of the current government to control , inability of the current government to control, um, small boats over the channel is something that doesn't make a meaningful difference to the population . uh, control in this population. uh, control in this country, but it makes a massive , country, but it makes a massive, massive difference in, in political terms . and that political terms. and that challenge is one that i think sunak can control. >> now, can we can i just say on this? right. i've got to just say, alex, that to be fair, both the conservatives and it looks like he is running now with lots of votes and but all of them are washed out and finished on this. i think the british public feel very, very, uh, disillusioned . very, very, uh, disillusioned. there's very little on offer and it's there's very little on offer and wsfime there's very little on offer and it's time for something new. it is impossible that we've got a situation where we're the home office and our civil service that we've got civil servants

that we've got civil servants that are blocking the mechanisms that are blocking the mechanisms that politicians are doing and that politicians are doing and that we haven't been able to fully take a lead and deal with the situation. right. this is this is a farce. and i think the thing is, it's not just with borders. we see this across the board, and it's the fact that we've got technocrats and they're largely indistinguishable now indistinguishable right now between conservative and labour. right. you've got a lot of technocrats. you've had a bit of a coup with what happened before. you've got a situation where they like the blancmange and them, be and many of them, let's be honest, frankly, a bit more honest, frankly, are a bit more globalist. what in globalist. and what people in britain for is britain are crying out for is some leadership , some some proper leadership, some honesty and transparency honesty and some transparency and things done. and and getting things done. and that's not happening right? because i tell you why i think it was squandered. brexit. what you , michel. right. you said, michel. right. where the said this is what we the public said this is what we want to have happen. we can assert our sovereignty. it's been it's been been squandered and it's been thrown our face. thrown back in our face. >> hang brexit was >> well hang on, brexit was a long project and i don't long time project and i don't need to concede that. the long terme project has been

squandered because it's a generation notion. but what i, what i think i do want to, to back to is the notion that the conservative party won an 80 seat majority in 2019, and that has not been in any way used in the way that those of us who wanted the conservative party to win at the election wanted to see. but the reason i was pointing this distinction out between, uh, lawful and unlawful migration is that many of us who want the uk. economy to succeed would look at what we bring into this country and say we should discriminate in the true sense of the terms, to say , how many of the terms, to say, how many doctors do we need? okay, we'll allow those people in. yeah. we don't need that many, uh, carpenters or plumbers in because we've got people trained in that skill. for argument's sake , we won't allow those sake, we won't allow those people in and that's where we are failing properly to control our borders . we've masked that our borders. we've masked that hang on, michel, we've masked that discussion with the

argument over the relatively small but politically high profile discussion over people coming unlawfully by small boats from calais. >> well, you can also see it in education. you see it across the board, right? you can now come from abroad. russell university colleges paid for foreign students money. so we've got a situation where across the board, why are we not training doctors in the uk enough. why do we robust approach we not have this robust approach where inspire our workplace? where we inspire our workplace? this what's missing. a proper this is what's missing. a proper discussion about a national rejuvenation what the public rejuvenation for what the public needs and the public should be at the heart of it. and i can't see that happening from conservative or labour. we need it in britain. >> do to it all? >> what do you make to it all? hmm. let you have the final hmm. i'll let you have the final say. are relaxed about say. are you relaxed about population growth, do you think? yes it's optimistic let every yes it's optimistic to let every single as long as single person come in as long as they developing and they are developing and expanding the economy, perhaps. or are you someone that goes. hang a second. what hang on just a second. what about how, uh, i think it was you. alan was mentioning integration or lack do you integration or lack of. do you feel like your town, your city,

your high street, your neighbourhood complete neighbourhood is complete changed from what you once remember it to be? do you say that in immigration is to blame for that? do people integrate where you live? let me know your thoughts on all of that. i could spend my entire show talking about that, but can see you about that, but i can see you now. my inbox is on fire. you guys have got strong opinions on it uh, after the break, it too. uh, after the break, i'll bring of you into the i'll bring some of you into the conversation. also want to conversation. but i also want to talk you about train strikes talk to you about train strikes as well. are still as well. are you still supporting those on strike and why we are not enacting why are we are not enacting properly service properly these minimum service level seem just level laws? people seem to just shrug shoulders them. shrug their shoulders at them. why we need to do more why also do we need to do more to back british farmers? you tell

back control, quite simply, of brexit, of our borders, particularly of our borders . particularly of our borders. >> hi there , this is dewbs& co >> hi there, this is dewbs& co with me. >> michelle dewberry keeping you company till seven. the pr consultant alex dean, alongside me, as is the co—founder of

together declaration. alan miller for um many people . miller for um many people. heather says, can you tell alex stein so far out of step with the majority of those who live in the uk? um, you're saying alex dean and those people like him are the reason the tories are heading for disaster? i can tell you now, so many people, if you just tuned in, you're wondering, what on earth has he done now? we've just been talking about immigration, ian, and just whether and i was just asking whether or not have failed . not the tories have failed. basically, comes to not the tories have failed. basicpledge, comes to not the tories have failed. basicpledge, i comes to not the tories have failed. basicpledge, i think,nes to not the tories have failed. basicpledge, i think, ies to not the tories have failed. basicpledge, i think, i think their pledge, i think, i think their pledge, i think, i think the word was tens of thousands. i'm that was in their 2019 i'm sure that was in their 2019 manifesto. do you remember that, everyone? laughable now. everyone? that's laughable now. and it let's be honest. um i'm talking about the ons figures about the population growth. long short, it's out of long story short, it's out of control . that's me paraphrasing. control. that's me paraphrasing. you get point . uh, does it you get the point. uh, does it concern you in your area? does it affect your area? i'll be bringing you into the conversation, long and conversation, but the long and short it, that's what i've short of it, that's what i've just out. just read out. >> i'm. i am relaxed about >> look, i'm. i am relaxed about migration. as as people who

migration. as long as people who arrive here work and pay their taxes well, and that that's the big distinction. people are rightly resentful of those who arrive in their communities and immediately start claiming benefits . yes, that is a totally benefits. yes, that is a totally reasonable point. people who come here and work and pay tax, we should welcome that. >> but do you know what? we've had of people just had too much of people just patronising us. too much of politicians together . the politicians act together. the reason we say we've to reason why we say we've got to make at the heart of make the public at the heart of things and strong win them things and strong and win them over and is over hearts and minds, is because believe what we because we believe that what we need is key, and need the public, is key, and we've just seen lack of we've just seen a lack of commitment to things being promised. and not promised. some things and not doing the public are doing them, and the public are fed and to be fed up with it. and to be honest, the conservatives deserve to be punished in this. but the labour are no alternative need alternative and we need something britain. something new in britain. >> alan, not making a party >> alan, i'm not making a party political you i both political point. you and i both know who arrive in know people who arrive in this country work hard country are willing to work hard and do basic jobs, right? they may may be may be cleaning, they may be running a pub, they may be working an environment that working in an environment that no immediately no british person immediately puts up they puts their hand up to. they may be pulling or veg out of

be pulling fruit or veg out of the right? those people the ground. right? those people are that we need to are doing jobs that we need to do we need be done and do them. we need to be done and paying do them. we need to be done and paying tax those are paying tax and those things are more beneficial our country more beneficial for our country than who arrive and pay than people who arrive and pay and immediately start claiming benefits . we be willing benefits. we should be willing to robust discussion, to have that robust discussion, and i know, i know, i've looked at my phone. i know i'm getting it in the neck from michelle's viewers, right? i know i know that, and that's his of his own family texting him, saying, yeah, doing? family texting him, saying, yeai, doing? family texting him, saying, yeai, relaxed ing? family texting him, saying, yeai, relaxed about migration >> i am relaxed about migration to this country. >> long people arrive, >> as long as people arrive, earn tax . that's the distinction. >> well, you can have the final sale, but bringing you in on it don't worry about that. but for now, i want to talk to you about train strikes. uh, it's happening i've got to happening again. i've got to say. even notice say. right. i barely even notice train strikes days because train strikes these days because i've um, my attitudes i've adjusted, um, my attitudes towards the trains. i don't really rely on them anymore. they've lost my business now, and with, well , actually, i was and with, well, actually, i was going to say, uh, except in the case of i don't know, literally if my car had stopped working and i had to go , for example, to

and i had to go, for example, to hull, i might rely on them then. but other than that, people have worked it. they figured but other than that, people have worked you it. they figured but other than that, people have worked you can they figured but other than that, people have worked you can work figured but other than that, people have worked you can work from ed but other than that, people have worked you can work from home, out, now you can work from home, you can get on your car, you can get bike or whatever get on your bike or whatever it is. got these minimum is. you've got these minimum service levels they to is. you've got these minimum serace levels they to is. you've got these minimum sera bit.evels they to is. you've got these minimum sera bit ofals they to is. you've got these minimum sera bit of a; they to is. you've got these minimum sera bit of a joke, they to is. you've got these minimum sera bit of a joke, really, to be a bit of a joke, really, because companies, unions , because companies, unions, whatever, seem to shrug their shoulders and say, you know what? not going to enforce what? we're not going to enforce them. downing street now are saying they're to saying that they're going to consider service levels . what do minimum service levels. what do you to it? i'll ask you a you make to it? i'll ask you a simple question. are you still backing train drivers or backing the train drivers or not? alex dean, where are you on it? >> never backed the it? never backed the train >> i have never backed the train . drivers. they've been, um , . uh, drivers. they've been, um, disproportionately paid as disproportionately well paid as compared to other public sector workers. um, i, i well recall ten years ago and more . um, the ten years ago and more. um, the letter um, ceo apologising for a failure of service the day before . um, on the trains, before. um, on the trains, people who are paid extra well to drive a train. i know that the, uh, militant and well

motivated people online will be having a go at me, um, because of these comments, but, um, i couldn't rely on trains today , couldn't rely on trains today, pay couldn't rely on trains today, pay to go to work. and so i took a bus. but but yesterday i took an uber , and, uh, they are an uber, and, uh, they are forcing us now to rely on alternative hgvs. and i think that if we don't impose those, what we can already do under minimum service levels on current laws, uh, we will have failed to support the british pubucin failed to support the british public in what they need, which is the people who are running these services to be forced either to do their jobs or to be forced out of them. and like reagan did with the air traffic control, uh, staff , get rid of control, uh, staff, get rid of them and impose a new, uh, body of people who will well, i'm always, uh, flabbergasted by how ready the government and the opposition are to impose more laws and not even enact the laws they've got. >> and we have ever more legislation like we see in the

states. uh, my concern is states. it's, uh, my concern is with legislation about with this legislation about minimum level is, minimum service level is, i believe, in the right to strike. and believe being and i believe in workers being able that. and they want able to do that. and they want to cause disruption. that's the truth, right. um, however, there's had there's an issue. we've had a cost crisis, cost of cost of living crisis, cost of lockdown crisis the three lockdown crisis the last three years. way all money years. the way all this money has quantitative has been spent. quantitative easing, since 2008. easing, actually, since 2008. complete disregard for being sensible economy . and sensible with the economy. and we've had proper investment we've not had proper investment in infrastructure, and we've got a situation where people on the frontline are impacted. what we need discussion the need is a discussion with the pubuc need is a discussion with the public and workers and the big utilities about how we can improve that for everyone. there's not a grown up conversation in this country about what's going on, and therefore this whole punch and judy, you for this are judy, are you for this and are you for that isn't getting down to nitty gritty? they to the nitty gritty? yes they need to negotiate and get it sorted , and the unions sorted out, and the unions shouldn't it to shouldn't be just doing it to try beat the tories. this try and beat the tories. this should i didn't should be about. but i didn't see any of these unions representing the members when there was a mandate implemented. representing the members when theit was a mandate implemented. representing the members when theit happens,3ndate implemented. representing the members when theit happens,3ndthe implemented. representing the members when theit happens,3ndthe toryamented. as it happens, by the tory government so

government for vaccines. so you've got this irony going on here, actually public here, and actually the public are with it, spot are getting fed up with it, spot on. >> 011. >> n on. >> i can have this >> and if i can have this argument about, uh, health care staff about their duty to continue running hospitals, bear in mind we had a&e departments close , uh, in recent times close, uh, in recent times because of, uh, strikes about money. if i can support this argument when we're talking about, uh, barristers and courts no longer being able to sit because of strikes in favour of having more cash, then i certainly think we should say pay certainly think we should say pay that railway drivers should continue providing the service . continue providing the service. we know the minimum service requirement. they should continue providing service whilst they negotiate and keeping the trains running so that we can have a train service whilst they debate with the government. >> um, i just i've got a graphic on the screen i'll describe it to you, uh, in case you're listening, on the radio, not watching. it's pay change, basically relative to 2011

prices. so i've got a few different professions there . the different professions there. the one right up top there , the big one right up top there, the big black line, you can see that is your train drivers at the bottom there you've got your medical practitioners. um, all the employees you can see in the light blue that's below, uh, train drivers . the point is that train drivers. the point is that i'm trying to demonstrate on this graphic here. the sauce ons , uh, train drivers have , uh, is that train drivers have had a pretty good deal, i've got to say, when it comes to comparing that pay with those pnces comparing that pay with those prices back in 2011, they've not done very badly, to put it mildly . oddly, the department mildly. oddly, the department for transport, they've issued a statement and basically said aslefs leadership is refusing to let their members vote on an offer that would see the average train driver salary increase to £65,000. uh aslef. bosses should put it to their members so we can resolve the dispute, which has already happened with other unions. you said something that i interesting, alan. you i found interesting, alan. you said you support people's right to strike. so let me ask you

this. what trump's what people's rights are strike or people's rights are strike or people's right to access services . right to access services. >> yeah i this whole trumping thing i think that we should have a right to strike making new legislation that when people vote overwhelmingly to come out and then to try and, uh, sort of not change things around with laws that prevent that happening, is actually anti—democratic . and i've got anti—democratic. and i've got big concerns about democracy . big concerns about democracy. >> but you know what? if you want to if you're if so. >> but just to answer the point about the train drivers and the money all of that train money and all of that train drivers them money and all of that train driveirelatives them money and all of that train driveirelatives speaking them money and all of that train driveirelatives speaking done:hem have relatives speaking done okay at a certain point in their career, but there's a range of other workers trains as other workers on the trains as well that not paid in the well that are not paid in the same for same way. i'm actually for people paid much more people to be paid much more money for us to be making money and for us to be making more profit, but our trains cost us much money. the us much too much money. the public's much for public's paying too much for them. it needs to be more efficient run and efficient and better run and better . and but it's better executed. and but it's possible. better executed. and but it's possole. better executed. and but it's posso it's hang on. >> so it's hang on. >> so it's hang on. >> so it's hang on. >> so let me just finish this point again, it's this point because again, it's this kind are for this or are

kind of are you for this or are you that. i i want to see you for that. i i want to see because you can't have everything if people want to strike and strike for their wages and they're entitled it, then you they're entitled to it, then you have to accept that ultimately people therefore be people therefore will not be able access services that able to access services that they've for. and they've paid for. and i think they've paid for. and i think they they think those they they and i think those people are doing that people that are doing that should the or should win over the public or not a like we see with the not a bit like we see with the french farmers and the dutch farmers where the public farmers now where the public have out and the german have come out and the german farmers supported them farmers and supported them against these net zero impositions, really against these net zero impiwhat's., really against these net zero impiwhat's., on. really against these net zero impiwhat's., on. andeally against these net zero impiwhat's., on. and they like what's going on. and they say, backing you see, that's say, we backing you see, that's one things that's not one of the things that's not happening, a proper debate, winning minds. winning over hearts and minds. people say, well, they kind of agree the train operators. agree with the train operators. but we've the unions, but then we've got the unions, many are very political many of whom are very political within have got an within it all, who have got an agenda election year. agenda in an election year. >> possible think >> but it's possible to think more one thing at once. i, more than one thing at once. i, i can completely agree that people right to strike, i can completely agree that pe0|i e right to strike, i can completely agree that pe0|i can, right to strike, i can completely agree that pe0|i can, on right to strike, i can completely agree that pe0|i can, on the ight to strike, i can completely agree that pe0|i can, on the other) strike, i can completely agree that pe0|i can, on the other hand, a, and i can, on the other hand, think that 65 k as a, uh, entry wage is a reasonable amount of money to be paid, and the point at which we should say you should continue working whilst negotiating . right. my point

negotiating. right. my point would be that if that's the offer, we should continue to being able to get on a train and go somewhere whilst having the debate, rather than shutting down the trains. that's the point. the notion that you should say suspend your services rather than continuing to provide it in the course of these debates . that's what these debates. that's what bothers me. i completely concede people have the right to strike and completely concede that we've got a cost of living crisis. i completely concede that inflation means this value isn't what it was, but surely you should continue negotiating whilst working collar and he says, so let me get this straight. >> train drivers who basically operate a start stop button four days a week, uh, demanding the same money essentially as things like airline airline pilots who fly you safely across the atlantic ocean in all weathers. are you a train driver? is that all you do? press start and stop on a button. i think you might dispute that. uh, maria says i've no sympathy all for i've got no sympathy at all for any i wish i was

any strikes. i wish i was earning their salary that those guys get. try being try guys get. try being on. try being my 60th was being self—employed. my 60th was ruined , um, by having basically ruined, um, by having basically to stay put, i think she says because of the train strikes. um chris says the minimum service issue is simple to sort out. michel, you tell the managers that they don't get the bonuses if the dirt implement this service level, then you'll see how quickly they act. stephen says, i completely, fully support on train support the strain on train strikes. shareholders don't go without, so why should the workforce? uh let me know your thoughts. you mentioned farming, alan. which leads me nicely . alan. which leads me nicely. it's a nice segue, because farmers right across europe now are indeed protesting. they're saying that their governments basically not supporting them , basically not supporting them, among other things to do with, uh , quite cumbersome eu regulate uh, quite cumbersome eu regulate means. i've got to say, right now, here in britain, we have swerved , uh, some of those swerved, uh, some of those protests. i wonder how long that will before we do start will be before we do start seeing those protests here. but long story short, my question is, think should do is, do you think we should do more support british farmers?

more to support british farmers? alex i absolutely we alex i absolutely think we should support should do more to support british farmers. >> that means. what >> and then that means. what does well, firstly, does that mean? well, firstly, it's a discussion about does that mean? well, firstly, it's some a discussion about does that mean? well, firstly, it's some ofiiscussion about does that mean? well, firstly, it's some of these .ion about does that mean? well, firstly, it's some of these measures mean what some of these measures mean for particularly the net for them, particularly the net zero measures and those who are dedicated net zero, which is dedicated to net zero, which is an idea. but when you an abstract idea. but when you start saying, what does it mean when it means, uh, does it mean blackouts? does it mean lack of pay-7 blackouts? does it mean lack of pay? you've pay? does it mean that you've got prices squashed? got to have prices squashed? does mean you've to have does it mean you've got to have all sorts regulation and all sorts of regulation and fertilisers, we're not going fertilisers, and we're not going to productive of. that's to be productive of. and that's having damaging impact. so having a damaging impact. so that's also that's that. there's also an issue the supply in issue with the supply chain in terms of some supermarkets really and really pressurising smaller and medium sized farmers. and what that means i think there's a but, you know, you don't want to just pollyanna about just be pollyanna ish about this. think again, like with this. i think again, like with housing with housing and light, with infrastructure, we need a discussion about public discussion about what the public needs and how we do that. and that's really important. that's why much support why we've seen so much support in and there's a new in europe. and there's a new initiative no initiative called no farmers, no food that's food in britain. that's launching should launching now. people should support get involved. indeed. >> alex. >> alex. >> well, we've had a debate about sovereignty . we've

about energy sovereignty. we've had debate , um, about had a debate, um, about financial sovereignty in this country. we will, of course, have a debate food have a debate about food sovereignty and whether we can supply it seems supply ourselves. but it seems to that in current to me that in the current environment, we can buy most of the things we need from abroad, and farmers are complaining and our farmers are complaining and our farmers are complaining and trying to prop up a market that otherwise be that would otherwise be diminished. at least because of its, um , uncompetitive nature as its, um, uncompetitive nature as compared to other providers . compared to other providers. people don't like that. but there we are . there we are. >> and the sense that's coming from through from you guys at home, uh, you do seem to be in support of our farmers. you're laying some of the blame squarely at what you're calling greedy, profiteering supermarkets. i asked you, would you be willing to pay more? uh, i don't know, for british, um, whatever . i don't know, for british, um, whatever. dairy, meat. what you're saying is you wouldn't be willing to pay the supermarket more, i.e. for their profits, but you would perhaps want to see those farmers being paid more for produce . keep more for their produce. keep your thoughts coming in on that .

your thoughts coming in on that. coming up after the break, would you ever get brain implant, a you ever get a brain implant, a chip, uh, to help you do things like control your telephone and things like that? what do you make to this? is this a great advancement in human development , or do people need to pack it in and stop trying to play god? you me. i'll see you in you tell me. i'll see you in two.

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with me. michelle dewberry alongside me till seven pr consultant alex dean and the co—founder of together declaration, alan miller. uh, andrew on twitter says michelle, we need zero immigration for a couple of years. well, a number of years, she says. we can't keep growing . then she goes on keep growing. then she goes on to say we should be kicking out thousands of people . do you thousands of people. do you share that sentiment? we're talking about the population growth at the top of the hour. jay says , michelle, we have to jay says, michelle, we have to face facts. we've got an ageing

population. very sadly population. we're very sadly pass over time, so we still pass away over time, so we still need to be boosting the economy by getting people in here to make it grow or even just stay the same , he says. dave says the same, he says. dave says we've got a broken system and until the country is cohesive and we all live under the same rules , we're basically kaput and rules, we're basically kaput and steve says the extra population is the last thing this country needs. the nhs is on the verge of collapse. mass housing shortage, lack of schools, lack of prisons. anyone that thinks that more people on this island is a good thing is insane . is a good thing is insane. completely insane. to quote him verbatim, i have to say let me know your thoughts on that . now know your thoughts on that. now shall we talk brain chips? because would you ever have a chip implanted into your brain ? chip implanted into your brain? i'm asking elon musk his company, neuralink. they have implemented its first brain chip into a human being, the kind of nuts and bolts of all of this. and i have to say, when i first heard this, it made me kind of

go like, oh, no, thanks . but go like, oh, no, thanks. but when you then listen to what elon musk is talking about, he's saying it would enable control of your your computer and your telephone and any device basically just by thinking. and then i think to myself, well, why would you want to do that? but as he explains, as he would be targeting this initially at people, example, have people, for example, who have lost would be life lost limbs, this would be life changing, to those changing, perhaps to those people are you in support of people. are you in support of it? alan? >> i am in support of all research and innovation that can transform live. all transform the way we live. all technology since fire has been about that. people are you about that. people say, are you playing they're worried playing god? and they're worried about einstein moments, playing god? and they're worried abo frankensteintein moments, playing god? and they're worried abo frankenstein isn moments, playing god? and they're worried abo frankenstein is amoments, playing god? and they're worried abo frankenstein is a projection but frankenstein is a projection of our own fears, our own morbidity, and our own sense that it's going to be a dystopian future. so i love the idea that you can use your brain to send signals that can then, uh , uh, make things happen. uh, uh, make things happen. someone like stephen hawking or any of the people we know, our loved ones, and much more than that, where my concerns are like with digital id, like with censorship, like with big tech,

like we've seen happen with the state, might get involved in terms of surveillance, censoring, shutting down, pursuing and spying on is that element. and that's a political question as well as a moral one. right. and that's about us making making sure that we assert our rights and our privacy , that we can use privacy, that we can use technology in a way that's of benefit to us. just to say, on playing god on this issue, people do make a big fuss about what could be right now at university college hospital. someone's been starving for 47 days and are being dehydrated on purpose. we've got an issue in britain where end of life protocols are going on. when people talk about playing god. so i do find it slightly contradictory that people challenge these things, challenge some of these things, but of stuff going but that kind of stuff is going on same time. i think on at the same time. i think there's end life protocols there's end of life protocols are point. are a very interesting point. >> it is, and i do think >> you're it is, and i do think we should have a proper debate bit about another day. bit about that another day. you've mind on that. you've prompted my mind on that. so you for that. alex. so thank you for that. alex. your thoughts on this? >> in of people >> i'm all in favour of people being able to control technology and to influence

and use technology to influence the environment around them. what i'm opposed to is the environment controlling the individual. uh the systems being used to dictate what the individual can do . and the individual can do. and the trouble is, the ability that we have to distinguish between a technology that says, here's something that empowers you to control the environment around you as compared to his technology, that will control us, to control you . us, to control you. >> um, reg says, michelle, hang on. of course it's not fair to say that elon musk is playing god.heis say that elon musk is playing god. he is simply just trying to improve people's lives. is that something of you that you share? that's how it starts. well, do you do you ? you do you? >> well, what about prosthetic limbs? prosthetic limbs? in fact, everything that we've tried has had the argument where people have said, that's where it starts. what it really represents is a sense that we cannot be in control of our future, that there are going to inevitably be draconian, dark elements that take control of

it. what we've got to make sure that battle is always there. alex, you know, it is right from the very moment of jefferson and others. there was a debate. do we have more coercion or do we have and that's have more freedom? and that's the politics. and it's the realm of politics. and it's up to to us insist that we've got and make sure when you've got it and make sure when you've got it and make sure when you've got and you've got big conglomerates and you've got big conglomerates and you've got influencing got big oligopolies influencing governments, that we the public, got big oligopolies influencing gov people ts, that we the public, got big oligopolies influencing gov people ts, tasserte the public, got big oligopolies influencing gov people ts, tassert ourselves c, the people all assert ourselves and issues that and make sure these issues that many fought and died for many have fought and died for enlightenment issues of freedom and we uphold them and privacy, that we uphold them because people because clearly the people in power want to hold on to them. >> hang on. >> hang on. >> um, there are individuals who, um, society might have looked at in the past and said , looked at in the past and said, your quality of life. we say , is your quality of life. we say, is not worth living. that individual , not worth living. that individual, by the blink of an eye, by the movement of a finger , might say, actually, my life is worth living . and then is well worth living. and then we empower and equip them with technology to be able to demonstrate their emotions and to communicate to others and say what they are thinking. and those people would say their life is worth living . what i am

life is worth living. what i am concerned about is the technology imposed on individuals where we can then control their lives. that's the step justifying the first part. the second part is what i call slippery slope alex is concerned about. >> do you share those concerns? anthony says, i've had deep brain stimulation dbs installed recently this involves wires in the eye. must confess i don't know much about this. why is in the brain controlled by a pacemaker type box? he says it was early days for him, but it was early days for him, but it was initially pretty scary, he says. was initially pretty scary, he says . but was initially pretty scary, he says. but he's being hurtful because he's hoping it will help with his parkinson's and dystonia. is that how you say it? he's willing to try anything he says. well, best of luck with that, anthony. uh, ian goes to the other end of the spectrum and he says every politician, michel, should have a brain implant programming type thing trying to put britain and the wishes of the electorate first in their minds. whoa. there you

go. what you made to that? would it make much difference? i don't know, you get in touch and you tell me, uh, i'll be bringing you in to the conversation. more after break, so go after the break, so don't go anywhere. want to talk to anywhere. i also want to talk to you about whether or not we need coppers. the one piece, the two p's. i'm talking or is it p's. i'm talking about, or is it time phase them out

hello there. this is dewbs & co hello there. this is dewbs& co with me. michelle dewberry here on gb news alongside me, the pr consultant alex dean and the co—founder of together declaration , alan miller, who declaration, alan miller, who i was just pointing out looks a little bit, some would say like alan then would say alan sugar, but then i would say outrageous, like racist . outrageous, more like racist. >> it's outrageous. >> it's outrageous. >> you see what's racist ? well, >> you see what's racist? well, actually, these days, what's not racist? >> well, exactly. exactly. >> well, exactly. yeah, exactly. it's a platitude, but like a guy who's got grey specks and a beard and he's got a bit of a cockney accent, it's preposterous. >> like to have money,

>> i'd like to have his money, though. oh, yeah. >> wouldn't wouldn't we >> wouldn't we all? wouldn't we all? let's talk all? anyway, look, let's talk your twos. i'm your ones and your twos. i'm talking your pennies. the isle of have become the of man. they have become the first part of british isles first part of the british isles to basically that they're first part of the british isles to bastoilly that they're first part of the british isles to basto phase that they're first part of the british isles to basto phase outt they're first part of the british isles to basto phase out those're going to phase out those coppers. to do with the coppers. it's all to do with the cost. apparently, the cost of the one piece creating them, etc. outweighs the value etc. far outweighs the value of the of course, let's be the pennies. of course, let's be honest, is also a nudge and honest, this is also a nudge and a step towards a cashless society. vat. what do you make of what alan. society. vat. what do you make of \yeah, alan. society. vat. what do you make of \yeah, well,3n. society. vat. what do you make of \yeah, well, the thing is, >> yeah, well, the thing is, there's two different things. >> pennies the five >> the pennies in the five pennies, they may actually cost more to do, but am very more to do, but i am very concerned this drive concerned with this drive towards cashless society. towards a cashless society. we've seen and we should all cheer saying cheer in ireland. they're saying they're allow they're not going to allow a cashless now. that's cashless society. now. that's fantastic. to insist on fantastic. we need to insist on that the last year, that here. in the last year, many more people are using cash. they've been insisting that bank branches because branches stay open because people and people need to access them. and this central bank this obsession with central bank digital can be digital currency, which can be programmable can shut programmable, which can shut people if they perhaps have people down if they perhaps have too or too much too many flights or use too much petrol, go down a low traffic petrol, or go down a low traffic neighbourhood kind of social credit scheme. that's what we need be concerned

need to be concerned about. doesn't mean we can't have the technology, mean we doesn't mean we can't have the techn have , mean we doesn't mean we can't have the technhave digital mean we doesn't mean we can't have the techn have digital technology. can't have digital technology. what it does back this what it does mean back to this point, we have our point, we have to assert our political our liberties, point, we have to assert our poli'insist our liberties, point, we have to assert our poli'insist that our liberties, point, we have to assert our poli'insist that we jr liberties, point, we have to assert our poli'insist that we don'terties, point, we have to assert our poli'insist that we don't have and insist that we don't have this because we've seen already, haven't we? people being de—banking for the wrong kind of views. we've the truckers views. we've seen the truckers have bank accounts seized because of their not doing the right kind of approach, even though now people like david soledar all that come out soledar and all that come out and say, oh, sorry, i've got it wrong. sorry, um, we've seen all these happen. so have these things happen. so we have to concerned about it. to be very concerned about it. cash king we cash should be king and we should it. should retain it. >> yes, i'm all in favour of cash king and being able cash being king and being able to and banks staying to use cash and banks staying open. of those things are. open. none of those things are. and people not being debunked. of those things of course, none of those things are in favour of are arguments in favour of retaining the one penny piece, which is, uh, which cost us as a country considerably as a fractional , country considerably as a fractional, uh, cost more than the value of one penny piece. and um, is no longer of any real use. and if you look at what our

friends in australia and new zealand have done with, um, rounding up it seems to me that the real benefit to an economy, especially when we're using tapping and, uh, and our phones for money, more and more is, uh , for money, more and more is, uh, in eliminating the penny and, um , saving that , uh, significant , saving that, uh, significant cost. i just want to say to you, eliminate i hear that. >> i just want to say to your viewers as well, michel, a lot of people about the immigration question, because people will say they're nervous about digital id, central bank, digital id, central bank, digital people digital id, central bank, digitbut people digital id, central bank, digitbut at people digital id, central bank, digitbut at immigration say, but look at the immigration an digital id and an and we need digital id and all i would say is that in india you've got a billion people on the scheme, right. with the aadhaar scheme, right. with digital should pose digital id and it should pose a real to people that the real concern to people that the people few years people in the last few years that been so draconian with that have been so draconian with and cavalier our and so cavalier with our freedoms could be in freedoms and rights could be in a position where you have a programmable digital currency and with all the and digital id with all the surveillance everywhere, we need to vigilant surveillance everywhere, we need to those vigilant surveillance everywhere, we need to those things. vigilant surveillance everywhere, we need to those things. but.ant surveillance everywhere, we need to those things. but int surveillance everywhere, we need

to those things. but i don't about those things. but i don't need with any of need to disagree with any of that suggest that the one that to suggest that the one penny piece no longer of any penny piece is no longer of any use in currency terms , and your use in currency terms, and your viewers might ask themselves what do i actually use a one penny piece for anymore ? penny piece for anymore? >> and people aren't using >> and most people aren't using a penny for anything. you can't even buy a sweet anymore. even buy a penny sweet anymore. they're worth more than a penny. inflation has meant that the value that copper coin has value of that copper coin has been the value of been eliminated. the value of the of the coin is more than a penny, which is ridiculous. um, we should be willing now to eliminate that and to move on to, uh, our rounding up society. >> um, i always wonder, do you remember those? um. well you used to have the pound shops where you still have now, don't you? pretty much. nothing in there pound, way. there as a pound, by the way. but it's a different but anyway, it's a different story. and then you had 99 story. and then you had the 99 stores, remember and stores, remember that? and i thought always used to think, thought i always used to think, what where do they get all what do where do they get all the from? people the pennies from? or do people just go, you know you just go, do you know what? you can the change. michael can keep the change. michael says, everything says, michelle, everything basically rounded basically will just get rounded up would become up everything. then would become more expensive. many of

more and more expensive. many of you getting in and saying you getting in touch and saying that fear cashless that you fear a cashless society. of you are having society. many of you are having that same about the that same idea about putting the chips politicians. chips into the politicians. i'm not really sure society not really sure what society would end like if that was to happen. one of you as well. you've really made me chuckle, paul you've really made me chuckle, paul. you got in touch and you said all your wands and your two p's going charity boxes. it would slaughter charity charities them. would slaughter charity charspelt them. would slaughter charity charspelt p's them. would slaughter charity charspelt p's p them. would slaughter charity charspelt p's p e them. would slaughter charity charspelt p's p e a them. would slaughter charity charspelt p's p e a s. them. would slaughter charity charspelt p's p e a s. you've you spelt p's p e a s. you've now put a great image in my head though, of all these charity boxes shoved full of like petty poires. peas. poires. you've got peas. >> helping a charity >> you are not helping a charity by shoving coppers in there. that's all. by shoving coppers in there. thai'veill. by shoving coppers in there. thai've got for, alan. >> i've got time for, alan. alex. thank you. don't go anywhere. up next. anywhere. nigel farage. up next. nanites anywhere. nigel farage. up next. nanit brighter outlook with boxt >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar the sponsors whether solar, the sponsors of whether on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hello again. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast a clear start to the night across some southern parts of the uk. but it does turn increasingly cloudy in the north and the west, and increasingly

windy. this area of low pressure. it's going to pass to the north of the uk, but as it does so, it really deepens aggressively and tightly packed isobars will bring very strong winds to northern parts of the country throughout wednesday. for the time being, though , it's for the time being, though, it's relatively light winds across the midlands into southern parts of england and we're the of england and we're losing the cloud overnight in the south—east. so where we any south—east. so where we see any cloud and with those cloud breaks and with those light temps will fall light winds, temps will fall close freezing. touch of close to freezing. a touch of frost and a few mist frost first thing and a few mist and fog patches, but actually plenty sunshine from plenty of sunshine away from these patches across some these fog patches across some central elsewhere, a lot central parts elsewhere, a lot of cloud in the sky, increasingly cloudy across southern areas and increasingly wet and windy in scotland, northern ireland and northern england. gales for many in the northern half of the uk, 65 mile an hour wind gusts widely and as much as 85 for the far north of scotland could cause disruption, and those wind gusts could be damaging. but the worst of the winds and the rain move through. by winds and the rain move through. by the start of thursday, a day which begins with plenty of

sunshine and actually it stays largely dry and bright into the afternoon. although there will be some wet weather returning to the west of scotland before the day out friday. unsettled in day is out friday. unsettled in the north, less unsettled in the south. saturday brings more rain, but it stays mild, looks like things are heating up. >> box spoilers, sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> good evening. for years i've said that the population explosion is the biggest crisis facing our country. well, today's figures out from the office of national statistics might just wake up the rest of the country. maybe even some of our politicians too . you never our politicians too. you never know. paris , we'll know. we'll go to paris, we'll find out. do the french farmers

really want to starve? paris out, as it's only got three days supply of food and joe biden says he has decided what is response to iran is going to be following that drone attack that killed three us servicemen . he killed three us servicemen. he hasn't told us what it is, but i wonder what it would be a proportionate response. we'll be joined by a former british ambassador to iran. but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . with polly middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you and good evening to you. well, let's start this bulletin with some breaking news that we've received the half hour. received in the last half hour. lucy letby has had her bid to challenge her conviction rejected by the court of appeal . rejected by the court of appeal. the 34 year old serial child killer was sentenced to 14 whole life orders after she was convicted of the murders of seven babies and the attempted murders of six others. the nurse