some of can just about remember some of it. stand by for a gb news exclusive that shows why getting out of the eu has been a huge bonus for this country in terms of the that we've dodged . of the laws that we've dodged. ed, because one of the main reasons, 17.4 million people backed brexit was it would let us take back control of our borders, but more people have crossed the channel on small boats today and we'll tell you about a dramatic rescue after the weather conditions worsened and a tearful nicola sturgeon has told the covid 19 inquiry a large part of her wishes she hadnt large part of her wishes she hadn't been scotland's first minister during the pandemic. join the queue nick and disgraced former bbc journalist martin bashir has claimed, of course, that criticism following his interview with diana, princess of wales, was down to jealousy and wait for it. racism that's all coming up in your next hour . well, welcome to the

next hour. well, welcome to the show and a very happy fourth anniversary of brexit day. i want to hear from you all. the usual ways. martin is not gb views at gb news. com that's my personal email. get your messages across. were you there .7 messages across. were you there? have you got pictures? do you want to share those moments with us? what did it mean to you to finally be free of eu control after all those years of the system, the establishment trying to cancel your votes? let me know your special memories and i'll try and read out as many as i'll try and read out as many as i can during the show. but for now , it's time for your latest now, it's time for your latest news headlines with sam francis . news headlines with sam francis. >> martin, thank you very much . >> martin, thank you very much. and good afternoon from the gb newsroom . it's just and good afternoon from the gb newsroom . it'sjust gone and good afternoon from the gb newsroom . it's just gone 3:00. newsroom. it's just gone 3:00. our top story this hour. the government has published the details of its deal with the dup, which guarantees northern ireland unlimited access for trade with the rest of the uk . trade with the rest of the uk. the agreement sets the stage for

the return of power sharing in northern ireland, after the dup withdrew almost two years ago. the new deal will also see a package of more than £3 billion to support public services in northern ireland. the new laws are expected to be debated in parliament tomorrow. northern ireland secretary chris heaton—harris says the new laws will bring the uk together . will bring the uk together. >> now it is time to build on the progress of the last 25 years. today okay, we have presented a plan which will deliver the long tum change that northern ireland needs. >> it will strengthen northern ireland's place in our union and guarantee the free flow of goods across entire united kingdom across the entire united kingdom . and it is only by sticking to this plan that we will become a more united and prosperous country together . country together. >> labour says that it will set out plans to nationalise the railways next month. the party announced . the news last year, announced. the news last year, but speaking exclusively to gb news earlier today, the shadow transport secretary said the pubuc transport secretary said the public will find out more about

those plans in 2 to 3 weeks time. we've got a plan to fix the railways as a whole, which includes which involves bringing operators public ownership, operators into public ownership, but that will actually bring significant savings . significant savings. >> our railways are really wasteful at the moment because they're so fractured and i'll be setting out plans actually in just 2 or 3 weeks time that will demonstrate how we'll save money and could be and how that money could be reinvested railways to and how that money could be reinvethose railways to and how that money could be reinvethose operators ilways to and how that money could be reinvethose operators into rs to bring those operators into pubuc bring those operators into public ownership bring all public ownership and bring all of them absolutely. within the first of a labour first terms of a labour government, home secretary government, the home secretary says that the number of asylum seekers likely to be sent to rwanda under the £240 million scheme could be quite low . scheme could be quite low. >> that comes as james cleverly answered questions from the home affairs committee this morning. mr cleverly told mps he couldn't say how many of the 33,000 people identified as potentially eligible would be sent to rwanda. if flights do get off the ground, he said the total could be nearly at that figure, but he said it could also be smaller if other work to reduce

channel crossings is channel boat crossings is successful . meanwhile, gb news successful. meanwhile, gb news understands that several migrants have been rescued after their boat got into difficulties in the english channel. they were attempting to cross from france in poor weather conditions. lifeboats from doven conditions. lifeboats from dover, dungeness and hastings were called to the scene earlier this morning. four other boats made the crossing, with around 200 people being brought ashore to by border force vessels to dover by border force vessels . that means that so far this yean . that means that so far this year, around 1200 migrants have successfully crossed to the uk. that's roughly the same number as this time last year. nicola sturgeon says that her biggest regret during the pandemic is not locking down earlier. that comes as she gives evidence at the covid inquiry in edinburgh amid ongoing scrutiny over the deletion of her whatsapp messages. the former first minister admitted deleting the messages, but she said it was because she was acting in line with scottish government policy by not saving them to her devices . ms sturgeon also said devices. ms sturgeon also said that the scottish government

would sometimes have to air issues in public to push the uk government to shift their position . in other news, a man position. in other news, a man shot dead by police after breaking into a house armed with weapons, including a crossbow, was a convicted stalker, bryce hodgson was convicted of stalking, which included entering a woman's bedroom without her consent. the 30 year old was also put under a five year restraining order that banned him from entering the road , where he was shot in south road, where he was shot in south east london on tuesday . the east london on tuesday. the government has refused to rule out relying on imported steel after the planned closure of blast furnaces at port talbot. executives from tata steel are currently being questioned in westminster on those plans , with westminster on those plans, with 2800 jobs at risk . the company 2800 jobs at risk. the company says it's moving to a more environmentally friendly production of steel, which will require fewer staff. however, workers have been staging protests outside parliament today to warn of the impacts on

their jobs on the local community and the welsh economy . community and the welsh economy. and finally, the queen was greeted with well wishes and hopes for the king's speedy recovery as she opened a hospital in london. queen camilla launched maggie's at the royal free hospital this afternoon. her majesty has been president of the charity since 2008. it supports cancer patients and their families, with 24 centres, all based in hospitals across the uk . and it hospitals across the uk. and it was her first visit to one of their centres since becoming queen. and for the latest stories, you can sign up to our gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen right now, or by going to gb news.com . now, or by going to gb news.com. forward slash alerts . okay forward slash alerts. okay >> thank you sam. welcome to the show. thank you for joining >> thank you sam. welcome to the show. thank you forjoining me show. thank you for joining me on this. happy brexit day. we've got loads to get through. so let's get cracking . and we start

let's get cracking. and we start with news exclusive on with the gb news exclusive on the fourth anniversary of brexit, because we can reveal the staggering number of laws that britain has dodged since quitting the eu. yes, we've escaped more than 200,000 thousand pages of eu bureaucracy and . a massive 4640 director and. a massive 4640 director says that brussels would have foisted upon us if we'd still been a member. listen to those bongs going off 11:00, four years ago today, i was on stage with nigel and the crew. more of that later . with nigel and the crew. more of that later. i'm joined now in studio by gb news political editor christopher hope, and also the conservative mp for stoke on trent north, jonathan gullis. thanks for joining stoke on trent north, jonathan gullis. thanks forjoining us, john. chris, let's start with you. four days ago today and the gb news exclusive today. if we hadnt gb news exclusive today. if we hadn't got out of the european union, would still be susceptible to these eu rules. talk us through how many and what kind of stuff we'd have been on the receiving end of.

>> yes, we've been focusing a lot in westminster on the eu rules that we haven't got rid of the or so government the 4000 or so the government talked rid by talked about getting rid of. by the end of last year, they got rid of 700. that's betrayal. rid of 700. that's a betrayal. some brexiteers because rid of 700. that's a betrayal. som sorry for, like, chortling away. >> so your home videos , martin, >> so your home videos, martin, aren't they? >> i did take that one myself. >> i did take that one myself. >> brexit day um, 200,000 pages of eu laws. we are not we are not tied because we have left not tied to because we have left the european union 4640 directives. we are not signed up to you. this is called divergence. so we stop being

part of them. we then divert into our own place . and the idea into our own place. and the idea of brexit of course, sovereignty . elect like . we can elect people like jonathan gullace, the guest here in the studio. he decides what we do as a country. if we don't like it, we kick him out and bnng like it, we kick him out and bring a new lot and bring a new lot in. and that's the of not being subjected the idea of not being subjected to we don't have to eu laws we don't have anything to do with, that's anything to do with, and that's what keith found out. yeah. and some of laws are, >> and some of these laws are, as there's one of as you'd imagine, there's one of them gender quotas on them imposing gender quotas on recruitment. so get away from the fact of hiring the best person no, no, no , person on merit. no, no, no, it's got a tick. boxes, no doubt some of have to be some of them have to be transgender, but the point of gender is yes or no. gender quotas is yes or no. >> might like it. the >> labour might like it. the tories won't like the tories won't like it. but the point is, you can vote out the party brings in. in the party that brings it in. in the old days, we had no choice about them. the brexit idea is that if you uk or not, you bring it into the uk or not, have a debate about it, but if you it, you vote. you don't want it, you vote. vote government. vote in a new government. who gets yeah. gets rid of it? yeah. >> and especially like the >> and i especially like the fact that these videos here, you can still hear them. again, can still hear them. so again, the reaction from that date the live reaction from that date

four years ago tonight of all those that's in those bombs going off, that's in the it. you call that. the thick of it. you call that. and we've got some other pictures backwards and we've got some other pictureyou backwards and we've got some other pictureyou can backwards and we've got some other pictureyou can truly:kwards and we've got some other pictureyou can truly see rds and we've got some other pictureyou can truly see the where you can truly see the magnitude and the size of the cloud . jonathan gillis, you cloud. jonathan gillis, you remember the bbc, we remember at the time the bbc, we were about four miles down the road making out that about five people there. remember people there. do you remember all an actual all that and an actual fact there tens and tens of there were tens and tens of thousands at parliament thousands there at parliament square. that you voted square. and that you voted brexit. what did brexit day mean for you when we finally got it done? >> well, martin with the bbc doesn't shock all because doesn't shock me at all because these are the people talk these are the people who talk down to down brexit and talked down to brexiteers. down brexit and talked down to bre ultimately , like people like down brexit and talked down to breul'who,aly , like people like down brexit and talked down to breul'who, you like people like down brexit and talked down to bre ul'who, you know, aople like down brexit and talked down to bre ul'who, you know, 73%e like down brexit and talked down to bre ul'who, you know, 73% voted mine, who, you know, 73% voted to european union, to leave the european union, stoke north, kidsgrove stoke on trent north, kidsgrove and remember and talk. i remember in 2016 being stratford upon avon being in stratford upon avon leisure centre, uh , you know, leisure centre, uh, you know, voting, campaigning, we won leave 5248 ironically in that particular area. and it was, it was just a feeling of elation watching the results from the nonh watching the results from the north east in particular. and it was i started to was that moment i started to believe we had indeed done believe that we had indeed done what many thought was impossible and deliver brexit. >> you know, jonathan, i remember i was a contributor, i

talked about politics on other channels before i got involved in politics. and then gb news stoke was absolutely pivotal in that final, final run. the guardian dispatched journalists to stoke and i'll never, ever forget i covered this on on the morning paper round. um, and, and they were knocking on doors in stoke and phoning back to hq, labour hq in london, saying we've lost this vote because the people in stoke were either slamming the door in their face, saying they were vote saying they were going to vote brexit or saying something i can't television . can't repeat on television. >> martin, you've hit >> no, look martin, you've hit the the head. in the nail on the head. people in stoke felt like london, to be quite about stoke felt like london, to be quite and about stoke felt like london, to be quite and particularly about stoke felt like london, to be quite and particularly the about stoke felt like london, to be quite and particularly the labour them and particularly the labour party, why in 2019 they party, which is why in 2019 they went ever, a went for the first time ever, a conservative member of parliament. if they think parliament. they if they think london's forgotten them, london's forgotten about them, they didn't think they sure as hell didn't think brussels you who brussels didn't even. you who they were. and in fact, some of they were. and in fact, some of the seen in the articles i've seen over in france, disparaging stoke as france, uh, disparaging stoke as this. look brexit this. oh look at this brexit place look awful and place and look how awful and dreadful is. well, every day dreadful it is. well, every day of rather be in of the week i'd rather be in stoke trent than bloody stoke on trent than bloody paris. can assure you that.

paris. i can assure you of that. >> the is surely on brexit >> the point is surely on brexit you can't blame brexit. it's like blaming weather. like blaming the weather. you blame have blame the people who have administered brexit. this administered brexit. now this mistakes made by your government not it not taking advantage of it properly. on your properly. that's on on your party isn't it. >> no, absolutely. look there's a clear political and a clear political choice. and i saw on the pmqs show saw louise on on the pmqs show that was hosting that shoppers was hosting earlier and they've made it very clear that they're not going to bnng clear that they're not going to bring the question back about whether or not to rejoin the european was european union, what they was actually do is have european union, what they was actu dynamic do is have european union, what they was actu dynamic alignment.ave european union, what they was actu dynamic alignment. they're real dynamic alignment. they're going paste going to copy and paste whatever's the whatever's going on with the eu and stay to shoulder, and stay shoulder to shoulder, because for keir because ultimately, for keir starmer do of the things starmer to do some of the things he tries to claim does want he tries to claim he does want to you know, that's to do, and, you know, that's what says this let's what he says this week. let's hear says next week. hear what he says next week. ultimately, have hear what he says next week. ul'enterely, have hear what he says next week. ul'enter some have hear what he says next week. ul'enter some sort have hear what he says next week. ul'enter some sort of have hear what he says next week. ul'enter some sort of agreements to enter some sort of agreements where going to where they're going to have to have some of cooperation have some sort of cooperation around free movement the around free movement around the single so, single market. so, you know, so, keir starmer, man who wanted keir starmer, the man who wanted a the man who keir starmer, the man who wanted a he the man who keir starmer, the man who wanted a he would the man who keir starmer, the man who wanted a he would campaigne man who keir starmer, the man who wanted a he would campaign foran who said he would campaign for remain in that second referendum, remain in that second referibe um, remain in that second referibe trusted. ever be trusted. >> right. jonathan i want to i want to push you on on a little point here. people, point here. a lot of people, a few of the brexit party meps

didn't want to vote for the brexit deal that forward brexit deal that came forward from government from boris johnson's government at thought at the time because they thought it on border it had weaknesses on border control , on taking control control, on taking back control of our money on the level playing field taxes , on the playing field taxes, on the freedom be nimble, on freedom to be nimble, on fishing. i went on question time. i said, this deal has got holes in it. but we went with it and we trusted the tory party to get brexit done. a lot of people, jonathan, are saying, did we actually get brexit done in particular in terms of taking back control of our borders? we've got eye—watering legal immigration figures, 745,000 net. so a lot of people that doesn't feel like taking back control . control. >> oh look, it's a very fair charge. and i think choppers again it's a again alluded to earlier, it's a political that the political choice now that the conservative the labour conservative party, the labour party, cannot party, whoever it is, cannot point the finger at anyone else but themselves. i look, but themselves. and i look, i would of all point would first of all point out that exports non—eu countries that exports to non—eu countries are and actually are up by 57% and actually trades. eu is up by 39% when trades. the eu is up by 39% when it comes to fishing. north sea stocks for, uh, collar up 63. haddock are up 30% compared to 2022, and those figures were for

2023. we've done the deal with the cptpp. i think i've got those acronyms correct there. so there's actually a lot of good things on. but things that are going on. but don't wrong, i have been, don't get me wrong, i have been, i the vocal i think, one of the most vocal members parliament angry members of parliament and angry lizzo fact that legal lizzo about the fact that legal and migration have been lizzo about the fact that legal andof migration have been lizzo about the fact that legal andof controligration have been lizzo about the fact that legal andof control andion have been lizzo about the fact that legal and of control and the1ave been out of control and the conservative suffer conservative party will suffer for ballot box if it for it at the ballot box if it doesn't show that it's serious about delivering stopping the about delivering on stopping the boats plan to bring boats and having a plan to bring down legal migration to the tens of thousands. >> more >> i've got one more for you. i know queuing up to have know chris is queuing up to have a sting as well. i've got one more for you and it's this we said at time, is this deal said at the time, is this deal leaving open the cat flap for, for the remainers for the, for the remainers to scuttle through or even the scuttle back through or even the rejoiners. and it's the case rejoiners. and if it's the case that does get back that starmer does get back in power fishing, the power on areas like fishing, the quotas for renegotiation quotas are up for renegotiation in stormers terme. a lot of people feel we shouldn't have given any of our fishing away, but we did. that could be, um, rowed back on even more on terms of accepting these eu laws. it leaves open the cat flap for starmer to get closer line. is that because the tories didn't

properly get a tough enough brexit? no. >> think what happened that >> i think what happened is that bofis >> i think what happened is that boris johnson inherited a terrible situation, situation with terrible that with a terrible deal that theresa may had left on the table and was all too willingly signing and signing up to everything and anything try and get anything in order to try and get that darsley deal through, and was willing to a deal was willing to even do a deal with jeremy which with jeremy corbyn, which sickened my let me sickened me to my core, let me tell so you know, to tell you that. so you know, to be perfectly frank, i think bofis be perfectly frank, i think boris has done the dealt was deau boris has done the dealt was dealt hand dealt with dealt the hand he was dealt with and effectively and got a deal that effectively at the question off at least got the question off the table. but of the the table. but of course, the united kingdom government, whoever that is in charge, and i expect be martin, you expect it will be martin, you can imagine a conservative, uh, government in 2025 and onwards has go has go has to go harder, has to go further, that people further, has to show that people who are going to who backed brexit are going to see us do things differently. because if we don't, then obviously we will leave open the door reform, for the labour door for reform, for the labour party to come in and party to try and come in and take voters off us, which i think would be a mistake. >> all right. let's talk about your for families. few your budgets for families. a few of you red wall tories have got together said, together and sort of said, right, what want . you right, here's what we want. you sent a letter to jeremy hunt. what's the letter?

what's in the letter? >> look, new >> so look, the new conservatives, proud >> so look, the new corco—founder proud >> so look, the new corco—founder with proud >> so look, the new corco—founder with danny 'oud >> so look, the new corco—founder with danny kruger of, co—founder with danny kruger and miriam we actually and miriam cates, we actually came six point plan. came up with a six point plan. we see p cut to we want to see a one p cut to the basic income tax, the basic rate of income tax, with a further with a commitment to a further £0.04 over the course of the next parliament. increase the £0.40 threshold where the squeezed particular squeezed middle, in particular have suffered the have really suffered with the freeze on that particular threshold. c and actually know you've nurses who you've got teachers, nurses who are in so i want are trapped in there. so i want to that raise to 60,000 and to see that raise to 60,000 and then up to 70,000 the end of then up to 70,000 by the end of then up to 70,000 by the end of the parliament, as well, the next parliament, as well, and freeze the, uh, fuel and then freeze the, uh, fuel duty and keep the £0.05 cut, aboush duty and keep the £0.05 cut, abolish these ir35 reforms , abolish these ir35 reforms, raise the vat registration thresholds from 85,000 to a quarter of a million, because the federation for small businesses tell us that 1.4 million businesses, small businesses are not growing deliberately under that deliberately to stay under that threshold because they don't want the additional want to incur the additional cost growth, cost that's killing growth, that's killing jobs, and that's cost that's killing growth, thatmeaning jobs, and that's cost that's killing growth, thatmeaning jobs peopleiat's see not meaning that people can see more expensive, though . um, >> it's expensive, though. um, this has been costed . it's in. this has been costed. it's in. you in in the you wrote in in the sun newspaper today. that won't be tax £5 for atp band tax cut. £5 billion for atp band aid. £8 billion, child benefit

charge 1.6 billion. i go on. total gone. >> that's the headroom. gone. 24 billion. >> £24 billion. so this week the tour has been criticising the labour party for £28 billion. magic money tree on green stuff. but here's £24 billion on tax cuts. how can we afford this? >> it's a very fair charge and that's why i worked hard to make sure that we had the costings. and i use figures because as you imagine, these reports are written a week ago is incompleted. from incompleted. i use figures from the independent that the independent and reuters that said, the headroom was expected to 20 billion. to be around 20 billion. so i spent that billion. uh, spent 13 of that 20 billion. uh, then other things then we've done other things like welfare reforms that then we've done other things like comelfare reforms that then we've done other things like comelfargettingrs that then we've done other things like comelfargetting people have come in, getting people back that's another £4 back to work. that's another £4 billion saving. things billion saving. there uh, things like improving sick like improving statutory sick pay like improving statutory sick pay would save 1.7 billion actually making university not the be all and end all for every young and actually young person. and actually getting these low value getting rid of these low value courses these value courses and these low value universities would save another 1.8 as getting rid 1.8 billion as well. getting rid of diversity, inclusion. of these diversity, inclusion. uh uh, offices that sit on top of hr departments within the civil service would save another

800 million. so i've come up with i've presented it in a paper 300 million on that. well, we reckon about we've costed 20 billion is what we reckon. we've saved. in saved. and when you think in order fund this and when you order to fund this and when you think the growth that will think about the growth that will come unlocking come from unlocking people, having small having particularly small businesses actually invest in businesses to actually invest in their businesses, people being able to keep their hard able to keep more of their hard earned particularly earned money, particularly families backbone of families who are the backbone of our i feel the our nation. then i feel the economic will unlock with economic growth will unlock with it, and that is how you pay for pubuc it, and that is how you pay for public services. >> is this helping your chancellor, own chancellor, who's got his own headaches, pull headaches, trying to pull together all the disparate claims cuts? claims and demands for tax cuts? have chipping in with have you guys chipping in with his you can spend his £24 billion? you can spend you can spend, chancellor, i'm sure wishes i was sure the chancellor wishes i was quieter, more than often. >> sure there's lot of >> i'm sure there's a lot of people in the house who probably think that. but actually, think that. but look, actually, i engaged at proactively with the chancellor the the chancellor ahead of the publication when this publication when he saw this actually last the workings actually last week, the workings out, as his advisers, actually last week, the workings out, actuallyas his advisers, actually last week, the workings out, actually said; advisers, actually last week, the workings out, actually said that isers, they actually said that they thought were and thought they were pragmatic and sensible and appreciated the fact actually some fact that we actually done some costings some costings and also done some savings to justify savings in order to justify where money coming savings in order to justify where because ney coming savings in order to justify wherebecause iey coming savings in order to justify wherebecause i know coming savings in order to justify wherebecause i know sometimes from, because i know sometimes the colleagues keen the colleagues we're keen to

throw without actually throw out ideas without actually always realising what the headune always realising what the headline be in headline figure would be in terms priorities. terms of priorities. >> we had louise >> you think we had louise louise , the shadow louise hague, the shadow chancellor saying how chancellor secretary, saying how the labour is going announce chancellor secretary, saying how th> will you back labour's plans? >> will you back labour's plans? >> i have serious questions >> will you back labour's plans? >> doubts|ve serious questions >> will you back labour's plans? >> doubts aboutious questions >> will you back labour's plans? >> doubts about the questions >> will you back labour's plans? >> doubts about the ability)ns >> will you back labour's plans? >> doubts about the ability to. and doubts about the ability to nationalise the railway, because i around i don't. i wasn't around choppers day when it choppers back in the day when it was under nationalisation, but i've it i've heard the stories and it sounded terrifying me. sounded pretty terrifying to me. and already

and trade unions are already trying to hold this government and trade unions are already trying to ibritishs government and trade unions are already trying to ibritish people 1ment under the british people to account. sorry ransom if account. so sorry to ransom if they get nationalisation, imagine what this would be like, particularly under a labour government. >> i am old enough to remember british rail and the food was like people are like prison food, but people are so sick to the back teeth of overpriced slow . i got a train overpriced slow. i got a train from from nottingham to lincoln. overpriced slow. i got a train f|could, m nottingham to lincoln. overpriced slow. i got a train f|could, ncould ngham to lincoln. overpriced slow. i got a train f|could, ncould haven to lincoln. overpriced slow. i got a train f|could, ncould have ran» lincoln. overpriced slow. i got a train f|could, ncould have ran itincoln. faster. >> no, i think the fair charge there is that. i don't quite understand allow just one understand why we allow just one operator operate on the line. operator to operate on the line. i thought the whole purpose was to have competition on different brands, if we that, then brands, and if we had that, then that help keep that would not only help keep pnces that would not only help keep prices lower, also improve prices lower, but also improve efficiency. and i would like us to personally see a franchising expanded back expanded and rightly claw back money to from money whenever we need to from people avanti, who are people like avanti, who are simply delivering value for simply not delivering value for money. and i was shocked hear money. and i was shocked to hear there of pounds of there are millions of pounds of unclaimed money for delayed journeys on that journeys on avanti that passengers are not claiming, so anyone who's watching, if you're on a it's delayed, go on, on a train, it's delayed, go on, delay repay and your delay and repay and get your money delay and repay and get your mojonathan, thank you so much. >> jonathan, thank you so much. it sounds like you're dangerously agreeing it sounds like you're danglabour. agreeing with labour. >> martin, don't don't ever

threaten that . threaten that. >> don't ever threaten that. that would that would >> don't ever threaten that. that me would that would >> don't ever threaten that. that me a would that would >> don't ever threaten that. that me a cold would that would >> don't ever threaten that. that me a cold sweatd that would >> don't ever threaten that. that me a cold sweat in hat would >> don't ever threaten that. that me a cold sweat in the would give me a cold sweat in the middle night. if i ever middle of the night. if i ever thought middle of the night. if i ever tho magnificent. for >> magnificent. thanks for joining us. i'm stoke trent >> magnificent. thanks for joiningmp. i'm stoke trent >> magnificent. thanks for joiningmpjonathane trent >> magnificent. thanks for joiningmp jonathan gullis. ent north mp jonathan gullis. i think great stuff on on the think it's great stuff on on the on budget. but yesterday the on the budget. but yesterday the imf telling jeremy he imf were telling jeremy hunt he couldn't cuts. couldn't afford any tax cuts. let's see in control let's see who's in control chris hope pleasure. hope always a pleasure. thank you lots more on the you lads. now lots more on the brexit anniversary throughout the show. and you can read that gb news exclusive about the eu directive that we've escaped from website . right, from on our website. right, right. that article is on right. now, that article is on gbnews.com and you've helped to make it the fastest growing national news website in the country. so thank you very much. now it's time for our brand new great british giveaway and your chance to win 18 grand in cold, hard cash tax free as well. and here's all the details that you need for a chance to make that dosh yours. >> we wanted ten 2024 into 2020 more with your chance to win £18,000 in cash to spend.

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permission to keep those dogs has . now several migrants has passed. now several migrants have been dramatically rescued after their small boats got into difficulties in the middle of the english channel. they were attempting to cross from france in poor weather conditions . in poor weather conditions. early this morning, four boats successfully made the crossing, with around 200 people being brought ashore once again to dover by border force vessels. also early today, james cleverly admitted that the number of asylum seekers being removed to rwanda under rishi sunak flagship, £240 million scheme could be, quote , quite low . i'm could be, quote, quite low. i'm joined now by our political correspondent katherine forster catherine, quite low, hardly the sort of tough , no compromise we sort of tough, no compromise we will take back control of our borders, stance . borders, stance. >> yes, for years since brexit. and one of the things, of course, was take back control of our borders, which we have resolutely failed to do. so james cleverly , the home james cleverly, the home secretary, was talking being

grilled rather by the home affairs select committee, chaired by diana johnson, labour mp, a little bit earlier . and mp, a little bit earlier. and let's take a look at what he had to say . to say. >> the answer is entirely dependent on other work we're doing in parallel, so it may well be that we if we if we are successful with returns agreements, if we're able to stabilise , uh, you know, if stabilise, uh, you know, if circumstances in other countries change, it may well be the figure could be quite low. it could be nearly at that figure. but the point is that that the figures, the number of people that we might send to rwanda is entirely contingent on a whole set of other work that we are doing . but set of other work that we are doing. but the set of other work that we are doing . but the point set of other work that we are doing. but the point is, set of other work that we are doing . but the point is, there doing. but the point is, there is no no cap to the i understand i >> -- >> okay, pretty underwhelming stuff. and catherine, also there was another rescue in the channel early today. >> yes, several people very lucky to be alive. lifeboats from dover, dungeness and hastings were sent out to rescue

people who had got into trouble in the channel. now 200 crossed earlier in the day, but the weather had deteriorated 30 mile an winds so lucky to be an hour. winds so lucky to be alive . um, just this last alive. um, just this last weekend we had 388 crossing in seven boats. that's 1200 this yeah seven boats. that's 1200 this year. now, of course , the year. now, of course, the government are saying, well, look at our record. last year, crossings down to just under 30,000 from just over 45 the year before. so they're saying, look, we are delivering . but look, we are delivering. but heanng look, we are delivering. but hearing james cleverly talking there, it didn't seem , um, uh, there, it didn't seem, um, uh, that hopeful did it? of course, his argument would be he, um, that it could be quite low because it may be that all the other measures they're bringing in are going to be so effective that there simply won't be that many crossing the channel many people crossing the channel in the first place. therefore, you won't need to send so many to rwanda now. but they have earmarked 33,000 people are earmarked 33,000 people that are already for here possible

removal . and there was also removal. and there was also a bit of back and forth about the backlog of remember, a few weeks ago, sunak got into a bit ago, rishi sunak got into a bit of bother, was rapped over the knuckles by the official statistics agency for saying that we've cleared the backlog. well, yeah, they sort of cleared the legacy backlog, but it's splitting hairs , really. so, um, splitting hairs, really. so, um, yeah. splitting hairs, really. so, um, yeah . and so far we've spent 240 yeah. and so far we've spent 240 million given to rwanda , with million given to rwanda, with another about 160 million earmarked to them . and of earmarked to them. and of course, we don't know if these flights will ever take off because the safety of rwanda bill now passing through the lords, their gearing up to put all sorts of amendments down, the archbishop of canterbury, baroness hale, remember of her. she was in charge of the supreme court when they had the judgement against boris johnson, saying that he'd prorogued parliament illegally to get brexit done , as he would say. so brexit done, as he would say. so yeah, james cleverly said that these sessions with the home

affairs select committee were like going to the dentist. he said you can pretend that you enjoy it, but nobody enjoys it. but, you know, it's got to be done. katherine forster, thanks for update. for that update. >> got to say, on the >> i've got to say, on the fourth anniversary of brexit hardly like government hardly feels like a government that's back control, does that's taking back control, does it ? now lots more still it? now there's lots more still to between now and 4:00. in to come between now and 4:00. in a few minutes look into a few minutes i'll look into claims bbc could have claims that the bbc could have committed criminal in committed a criminal offence in its handling of information its handling of the information related to martin bashir's infamous interview with princess diana, the broadcaster says any suggestion they acted in bad faith was simply wrong . we'll faith was simply wrong. we'll have that coming soon. but first, your latest news headunes first, your latest news headlines with sam francis . headlines with sam francis. >> martin, thank you very much. and good afternoon from the gb newsroom. the headlines just after 3:30, the government has published the details of its deal with the dup, which guarantees northern ireland unlimited access for trade with the rest of the uk . the

the rest of the uk. the agreement sets the stage for the return of power sharing in northern ireland, after the dup withdrew almost two years ago. the new deal will also see a package of more than £3 billion given to northern ireland to support its public services. the new laws are expected to be debated in parliament tomorrow . debated in parliament tomorrow. labour says that it will set out plans to nationalise the railways next month. the party announced the news last year but speaking exclusively to gb news earlier today, the shadow transport secretary said the pubuc transport secretary said the public will find out more about those plans in 2 or 3 weeks time . the home secretary says that the number of asylum seekers likely to be sent to rwanda under the £240 million scheme could be quite low. it comes as james cleverly answered questions from the home affairs committee this morning. mr cleverly told mps he couldn't say for sure how many of the 33,000 people identified as potentially eligible would . be

potentially eligible would. be sent to rwanda. if flights do get off the ground, he said the total could be nearly at that figure, but he said it could also be smaller if other work to reduce channel boat crossings is successful . meanwhile, gb news successful. meanwhile, gb news understands that several migrants have been rescued after their boat got into difficulties in the english channel. they were attempting to cross from france in poor weather conditions. lifeboats from doven conditions. lifeboats from dover, dungeness and hastings were called to that scene earlier this morning. four other boats made the crossing , with boats made the crossing, with 200 people being brought ashore to dover by border force vessels that means that so far this year around 1200 migrants have crossed to the uk, roughly the same number as this time last year. same number as this time last year . a man shot dead by police year. a man shot dead by police on tuesday after breaking into a home armed with weapons, including a crossbow, was a convicted stalker. bryce hodgson was convicted of stalking, which included entering a woman's bedroom without her consent. the

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cameron an astonishing allegation and a complicated case. tell us a story. >> yeah, absolutely. so, diana , >> yeah, absolutely. so, diana, interview with bbc's panorama martin bashir, the journalist . martin bashir, the journalist. >> it changed history. let's be frank. this is where she famously said there were three of us in this marriage, so it was a bit crowded, referring to the now king and queen. >> but in 2021, an inquiry, the dyson inquiry , lord dyson found dyson inquiry, lord dyson found that martin bashir was in serious breach of the bbc's producer guidelines because he faked bank statements , which he faked bank statements, which he then showed to princess diana's brother in to order gain access to her. >> the report also found that the bbc covered up that deceitful behaviour . it led to deceitful behaviour. it led to prince william doing a very rare , very public statement saying that the interview should never be again on air. be shown again on air. >> it fuelled diana's paranoia etc. etc. so what's happened this morning is there was an itv documentary back in 2020, which interviewed the bbc graphic

designer who created these fake bank documents and an investigative journalist called andy webb went to the bbc with a freedom of information request, wanting emails and with bashir in the run up to this, itv documentary, the bbc refused to give up those emails and they spent reportedly hundreds of thousands of pounds in the courts trying to stop these emails being released. >> the judge disagreed, and in december he forced the bbc to release the emails. and today we have got them in black and white, where, as you said in your link, martin bashir believes all these allegations are because he is not white and that if was dimbleby, david that if it was a dimbleby, david dimbleby somebody doing dimbleby or somebody doing the interview, had interview, we wouldn't have had any allegations, which any of these allegations, which is in contrast to what the dyson reports out and said. but reports came out and said. but this morning on news, we had this morning on gb news, we had andy webb in the studio and he suggested that the bbc could be answerable to some criminality . answerable to some criminality. >> so let's have a listen to what he said . what he said. >> it's clear evidence from emails that i've already seen that at the centre , if you like,

that at the centre, if you like, or close to the centre of our email circle is the chief of staff to the director general , a staff to the director general, a chap called phil harrold . now, chap called phil harrold. now, if mr harrold was acting as chief of staff with the blessing of his immediate boss, just just one rung up, then that does raise enormous questions. i think about, um, tim davies to unlawful early conceal information is a crime and the bbc has , as i allege, committed bbc has, as i allege, committed an actual , bbc has, as i allege, committed an actual, um, criminal offence . an actual, um, criminal offence. >> yeah, it's a tricky balance for the bbc because of course, they want to be impartial and accurate and fair. and all of this stuff happens 30 years ago. but the time , these but at the same time, these emails were, according to andy webb, emails were, according to andy weiso that begs the question, >> so that begs the question, cameron, if the emails are heavily redacted, they spent all this dosh trying to stop them being released in the first place. have they place. what have they got to hide? place. what have they got to hidwell, there is some

>> well, either there is some potentially very explosive detail in the redacted parts of the the argued the email, or as the bbc argued dunng the email, or as the bbc argued during court case, there is during the court case, there is simply is simply irrelevant information therefore information and therefore there's to releasing it there's no point to releasing it . so it's tricky . so it's a very tricky situation. but of course you've got a right of reply from bbc. >> have cameron walker, thank >> we have cameron walker, thank you that you very much. and in that lengthy you very much. and in that lengththe bbc said this. we today, the bbc said this. we have made redactions where necessary, consisting . it with necessary, consisting. it with the freedom of information act. there is nothing to support the allegations that the bbc acted in bad faith in 2020 and we maintain this suggestion is simply wrong. okay, now moving on. a tearful nicola sturgeon has told the covid—19 inquiry a large part of her wishes that she had not been scotland's first minister during the pandemic , and many may agree. pandemic, and many may agree. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel .

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gb news now at 4:00 o'clock, the fourth anniversary of brexit, with the gb news exclusive about the staggering number of laws britain dodged since britain has dodged since quitting the european union . now quitting the european union. now today , a tearful nicola sturgeon today, a tearful nicola sturgeon has told the uk covid 19 inquiry a large part of her wishes that she hadn't been scotland's first minister during the pandemic. the former first minister calls controversy after admitting to deleting whatsapp messages she sent to colleagues . she also sent to colleagues. she also said boris johnson was not the right person to lead the country dunng right person to lead the country during the pandemic. right person to lead the country during the pandemic . well, i can during the pandemic. well, i can now speak with conservative member of the scottish parliament miles briggs. miles, welcome to the show. so nicola sturgeon, she's turned on the waterworks. are you buying it ? waterworks. are you buying it? >> no i'm not. i think what we've seen today has been a pretty desperate and cynical attempt by nicola sturgeon to refute what is now compelling evidence, which we're seeing

over the secrecy and political ization of the pandemic by the snp. >> and we know that her lines , >> and we know that her lines, which she's using, that she hasn't deleted messages. >> instead she's merely not retained them, are not going to stack up and i think unlike at a uk level where we have been able to see also officials messages, we're not seeing that in scotland. >> not just scottish >> so it's not just scottish ministers have been fault ministers who have been at fault , officials and we , it's also officials and we need have, i hope, an need to have, i hope, an opportunity to see some of the responses which have been retained. >> it has been mentioned, for example, the finance secretary has those to see what we has some of those to see what we can together. now um, can paste together. now um, before we kind of steam into her too much , boris lost a lot of too much, boris lost a lot of messages and boris also shed a tear or two at the covid in quiry. >> but as far as nicola sturgeon goes , the astonishing admission goes, the astonishing admission that she wishes that she hadn't even been in control of the country . country. >> indeed, and you know, the pressure which any political leader anywhere in the world dunng

leader anywhere in the world during this period must have been substantial. >> um, but the pressures are one thing. >> the actual responsibility and accountability are another. >> and we know absolutely that nicola sturgeon said to i think it was a channel 4 journalist that she would have retained and has retained every single whatsapp message. >> said that at same >> she said that at the same time, knows she time, as she knows she was deleting so deleting these messages, so i think she has a lot of questions still to answer over what she was saying to public the was saying to the public and the pledges she was pledges and promises she was making, and actually actions making, and actually her actions dunng making, and actually her actions during and mars. during the pandemic and mars. >> do you think it's becoming self—evident now? that quite self—evident now? that was quite clear to a lot of us watching those press briefings at the time . and that is people like time. and that is people like nicola sturgeon and indeed mark drakeford in wales, they were using covid as a way of uncoupling from westminster, of playing for power in a sense of using it for political purposes . using it for political purposes. oh, we've lost them , okay. we've oh, we've lost them, okay. we've lost miles briggs there . we lost

lost miles briggs there. we lost miles briggs there momentarily. my miles briggs there momentarily. my question was quite simple, and i think for many of us watching those press watching those daily press conferences , liz from or conferences, liz from home or seeing how they are reported upon, it became self—evident that in holyrood in wales , it that in holyrood in wales, it covid was used as a way of almost calling out westminster , almost calling out westminster, calling out boris johnson and calling out boris johnson and calling out boris johnson and calling out the way that things are being done in the mainland in england and a way of kind of imposing regional power. and we saw we saw astonishing power plays with restrictions that would place in ever harsher contexts, particularly in wales and scotland. we've got miles briggs back now. i don't know how much of that you heard, miles, but my point is quite straightforward. and that is whilst politicised whilst was covid politicised used of power playing used as a way of power playing against westminster ? against westminster? >> yeah, i think that's one of the conclusions which the inquiry will have to draw. >> certainly it was one of

>> and certainly it was one of my concerns. you know, we know both and wales we both in scotland and wales we faced bans in 2021 faced election bans in 2021 right after the pandemic that government was planning how to safely hold those elections . safely hold those elections. nicola sturgeon, of course, wanted to try to win a majority dunng wanted to try to win a majority during that election. during that 2021 election. >> conservatives >> the scottish conservatives managed to stop her doing that . managed to stop her doing that. so we know that politics wasn't far off her mind. >> but one of my greatest concerns is for the last 17 years now, we've seen this, uh, culture of secrecy and cover up, develop within the scottish government here. and that's not just within snp and green party ranks. that's also been within our officials and independent officials who are meant to help government take decisions. i think that's deeply concerning . think that's deeply concerning. and something we as a country in scotland and across the uk, seriously need to look at in the future as well . future as well. >> and miles, the downfall, the implosion almost of the snp in the final days of sturgeon and since with humza yousaf, do you think now that the dream , um, of think now that the dream, um, of the nationalists of independence

is withering away ? is withering away? >> well, i would . never take >> well, i would. never take this for granted. the snp will regroup that they continue to try to undermine the uk. they continue to try to seek another independence referendum and we will have key elections still both at a uk general election and also at a scottish parliamentary election . to make parliamentary election. to make sure that we do turn the page on those constitutional arguments . those constitutional arguments. and that's where scottish conservatives will be working in the seats. we're challenging the snp here in snp at westminster here in scotland at a scottish scotland and at a scottish parliament remove parliament level to remove this snp , and that's the snp government, and that's the only way we try to move on only way we can try to move on from divisions of the from the divisions of the pandemic. i do hope that we will soon look back this time of soon look back on this time of office the snp have been in office with the snp have been in charge and see that they haven't achieved much scotland , but achieved much for scotland, but they politicised and they have politicised and divided our country and that's something will take time something which will take time to . to heal. >> thanks for joining us >> okay. thanks forjoining us on the show. conservative member of the scottish parliament there, briggs . and there, miles briggs. and apologies those technical apologies for those technical issues . i wonder how people will

issues. i wonder how people will remember sturgeon the remember nicola sturgeon in the end, she came in end, because when she came in and from alex salmond , and took over from alex salmond, she most she was undeniably the most effective communicator , better effective communicator, better of the political class in scotland . but how will she be scotland. but how will she be remembered now with that spectacular end game? and now at the covid inquiry she saying she didn't think she was up to the job, that she wishes that she hadnt job, that she wishes that she hadn't there seems hadn't been. there seems a million away, doesn't it, million miles away, doesn't it, from those heady days when she first swept in as the first minister, now around 30,000 american xl bully dogs have been registered for an exemption before the ban comes into force tomorrow . for months, tomorrow. for months, campaigners have been in a legal fight to overturn the government's ban on xl bullies and gb news. national reporter theo chikomba reports and a warning you may find some of the footage distressing . footage distressing. >> suella has been part of anne—marie's family for many years . he has anne—marie's family for many years. he has an exemption certificate ahead of the ban, but must be kept on a lead and

wear a muzzle in public, although they say obviously it's , you know, a lot of obviously these awful attacks have been this breed, but from on percentage of the amount of dogs that are well—behaved haven't done this. >> okay. i think it's absolutely, absolutely penalised in this breed type of breed. you know, i don't think it's justified at all. you know, any dog of a large size if it's not brought up correctly and everything is capable of obviously damage just to obviously doing damage just to ban particular dog it, ban one particular dog over it, i wrong. i think is wrong. >> hundreds of other xl bullies have not been so lucky with an increasing number being abandoned in recent weeks . it abandoned in recent weeks. it follows a number of attacks. 23 people have been killed by the breed in the last three years in the uk . the government believed the uk. the government believed decisive action was needed to protect the public. there are growing concerns from owners who have dogs that have similar features to xl bullies owners, like ben says. he's also received abuse from members of

the public. he owns a dog de bordeaux . bordeaux. >> i find it quite uncomfortable and sometimes intimidating by people shouting at me saying i have an xl bully because it's a large breed . um, i was walking large breed. um, i was walking down the canal not long ago and someone pulled a knife out on me, and my dog me, threatening me and my dog because they said he was an xl bully . so yeah, it because they said he was an xl bully. so yeah, it makes me quite uncomfortable. it's not very also anxiety as >> and there's also anxiety as owners who live in social housing or private rented accommodation often face being kicked out as housing laws prohibit tenants from keeping a banned breed . dog trainer nicky, banned breed. dog trainer nicky, who works in a secure dog park in kent, says the legislation has left some of her clients in limbo . limbo. >> so i think the fear is out there from the xl bully owners. they're frightened what's going to happen to their dogs and those who aren't xl bullies that don't necessarily know if they meet the criteria or not. but, um, it's only 60% of the guidelines have to meet. so if a

dog meets that 60, then they are deemed as an xl bully . um, so deemed as an xl bully. um, so it's a very vague area, more than 100 claims have already been made toward the government's compensation scheme , which helps with the cost of euthanasia , as rescue centres euthanasia, as rescue centres across the country expect to be inundated with the breed in the coming days and weeks. >> theo chikomba gb news, who's. >> theo chikomba gb news, who's. >> now on the fourth anniversary of . brexit a >> now on the fourth anniversary of. brexit a gb >> now on the fourth anniversary of . brexit a gb news of. brexit a gb news investigation has found that quitting the eu has saved us from more than 200,000 pages of eu bureaucracy and new laws , and eu bureaucracy and new laws, and i'll be looking back on some of those happy memories, some exclusive videos, pictures and i've got an exclusive story about a guy who invaded the stage and tried to have a pop at nigel farage. i got him in a headlock and got him off the stage. i'm martin daubney on gb news news, britain's news channel >>a channel >> a brighter outlook with boxt

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and will tend to and the showers will tend to ease as well. for many, it's ease off as well. for many, it's a day actually. tomorrow a fine day actually. tomorrow dry and bright, there'll be some hazy sunshine, especially in the east. though, cloud east. later on though, the cloud and rain return to and rain will return to northwest scotland. temperatures lower than today, certainly across south a few across the south by a few degrees seven eight nine degrees celsius. average for celsius. close to average for the time of year. during friday, we'll continue to feed outbreaks of rain into western scotland. some drizzly conditions over the hills of northern england and west wales . for many, quite a west wales. for many, quite a cloudy day and again quite breezy, with a gusty wind coming in from the west . breezy, with a gusty wind coming in from the west. but it will be a very mild day on friday with highs the teens . looks like highs into the teens. looks like things are heating up. >> box spoilers, sponsors of weather on gb news .

good >> good afternoon. it's 4 pm. welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news broadcasting live from the heart of westminster all across the uk . westminster all across the uk. now it's a very special day because exactly four ago because exactly four years ago today, this happened . 5081. today, this happened. 5081. yes, it's the fourth anniversary of brexit day . the moment the brexit day. the moment the united kingdom finally left the european union . and i was right european union. and i was right in the thick of it. i took that

video and stand by for a gb news exclusive . that shows why exclusive. that shows why getting out of the eu has been a huge bonus for this country. now, one of the main reasons that 17.4 million people backed brexit was it would let us supposedly take back control of our borders, but more people once again have crossed the channel on small boats today and i'll look at the impact of the population is going up by more than 6 million people in just 12 years. will have on the uk . and years. will have on the uk. and there's bad news today for the thousands of people at the steelworks in south wales, whose jobs are at risk. steelworks in south wales, whose jobs are at risk . and there's jobs are at risk. and there's also bad in south wales. as we talk, we'll talk about that all in your next hour. talk, we'll talk about that all in your next hour . so thank you in your next hour. so thank you for joining me on the show. so forjoining me on the show. so brexit four years old today or at least when we finally left

when big ben bombed at 11 pm. of course that was midnight brussels time. i was there hugely happy memories, but has brexit worked out for you ? did brexit worked out for you? did we get brexit done ? was it we get brexit done? was it a golden opportunity handed to bofis golden opportunity handed to boris johnson? but did he fudge it? let him know your thoughts on all the usual ways gbviews@gbnews.com and i'll read out the best. but now it's time for news headlines with polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> martin. thanks very much indeed. well, the top story from the gb news room today. the government has published the details of its deal with the democratic unionist party in northern ireland, which guarantees unlimited trading access with the rest of the uk. the agreement sets the stage for the return of power sharing at stormont after the dup withdrew almost two years ago. the new deal will also see a package of more than £3 billion to support pubuc more than £3 billion to support public services in northern ireland. the new deal is

expected to be debated in parliament tomorrow, with the northern ireland secretary, chris heaton—harris, saying this will bring the uk together . it will bring the uk together. it isfime will bring the uk together. it is time to build on the progress of the last 25 years. >> today we have presented a plan which will deliver the long tum change that northern ireland needs. >> it will strengthen northern ireland's place in our union and guarantee the free flow of goods across the entire united kingdom . and it's only by sticking to this plan that we will become a more united and prosperous country together . country together. >> labour has said it's going to set out plans to renationalise britain's railways next month . britain's railways next month. the party announced the news last year , but speaking last year, but speaking exclusively to gb news earlier, the shadow transport secretary said the public will find out more detail on the plans in 2 or 3 weeks time . 3 weeks time. >> we've got a plan to fix the railways as a whole, which includes which involves bringing operators into public ownership, but that will actually bring

significant savings . our significant savings. our railways are really wasteful at the moment because they're so fractured and i'll be setting out plans actually in just 2 or 3 weeks time that will demonstrate how we'll save money and money could be for demonstrate how we'll save money andwhole money could be for demonstrate how we'll save money andwhole network.y could be for demonstrate how we'll save money andwhole network. railways e for the whole network. railways nationalise those nationalise to bring those operators ownership operators into public ownership and bring them and bring all of them absolutely. within the first terms a labour government, terms of a labour government, the has conceded the home secretary has conceded that the number of asylum seekers is likely to be that are likely to be sent to rwanda under the government's £240 million scheme could actually be quite low. >> answering questions at the home affairs select committee this morning, james cleverly admitted he couldn't say how many of the 33,000 asylum seekers identified as eligible would eventually be sent to rwanda. he said the total could be nearly at that figure, but he also said it could be small if other work to reduce channel boat crossings is successful . boat crossings is successful. >> meanwhile, gb news understands several illegal migrants have been rescued after their boat got into difficulties

in the english channel earlier today. >> they were attempting to cross from france in poor weather conditions. >> lifeboats from dover, dungeness and hastings were called to the scene at and this morning four boats made the crossing, with 200 people being brought ashore to dover by border force vessels . border force vessels. >> so far this year, 1200 migrants have made the crossing roughly the same number as this time last year. nicola sturgeon says her biggest regret during the pandemic was not locking down earlier . miss sturgeon's down earlier. miss sturgeon's giving evidence at the covid inquiry amid ongoing scrutiny over the deletion or otherwise of her whatsapp messages , the of her whatsapp messages, the former first minister admitted deleting the messages but said she acted in line with the scottish government policy of not saving them on her devices. >> miss sturgeon appeared emotional as she recounted that part of her wished she had not been first minister when the pandemic took hold . pandemic took hold. >> the man, shot dead by police

in london yesterday after breaking into a home armed with a crossbow, was a convicted stalker . bryce a crossbow, was a convicted stalker. bryce hodgson had been convicted of stalking, including entering a woman's bedroom without her consent . without her consent. >> the 30 year old was also under a five year restraining order that banned him from entering the street, where he was threatening residents in surrey. keys >> the government's refused to rule out relying on imported steel after the planned closure of blast furnaces at port talbot . executives from tata steel are being questioned in westminster on the plans , a move which puts on the plans, a move which puts 2800 jobs at risk. >> the company says it's moving to the more environmentally friendly production of steel, which they say requires fewer staff . however, workers have staff. however, workers have been staging protests outside parliament to warn of the impact on the local community and the wider welsh economy . and lastly, wider welsh economy. and lastly, the queen has been greeted by well—wishers hoping for the king's speedy recovery as she

visited a hospital in london today , queen camilla launched today, queen camilla launched maggie's at the royal free this afternoon , where her majesty has afternoon, where her majesty has been president of the charity since 2008. it supports cancer patients and their families, with 24 centres, all based in hospitals across the uk , and its hospitals across the uk, and its queen, camilla's first visit to one of the centres since becoming queen. that's the news on gb news. if you fancy getting gb news alerts , just scan the qr gb news alerts, just scan the qr code in the corner of your screen. if you're watching on television, or go to gbnews.com alerts. now let's get back to . alerts. now let's get back to. martin. thank you polly. >> now we start this hour. the gb news exclusive on the fourth anniversary of brexit, and we can reveal the staggering number of laws that britain has dodged since quitting the european union . we've escaped more than union. we've escaped more than 200,000 pages of eu bureaucracy and a massive 4640 directives.

let's talk this through. i'm now joined in the studio by our political editor, christopher hope, and the labour peer, lord george foulkes. thank you very much for joining george foulkes. thank you very much forjoining us. let's start with you, chris. so a cracking exclusive here by keith. i'm on the gb news team and a share a glimpse into the magnitude of how he got away from taking thousands of extra laws from brussels . brussels. >> yeah. and we're not, we're not i mean you know keith ba.2 the work for gb news. we're not saying that all the laws are bad. point about brexit is bad. the point about brexit is that the these are choices that can be made for the first time by elected politicians. um, of course, old days, course, in the old days, we could eu directors who could veto eu directors who didn't vetoed, vetoed didn't like we vetoed, vetoed a tiny number. in the old days, we just accepted all this red tape arriving from brussels without, and couldn't . we were stuck and we couldn't. we were stuck with was qualified . with it. if it was qualified. majority the point majority voting. so the point about brexit is really not not the case of if they're good or bad, it's we have a choice. and the elected politicians who run

the elected politicians who run the choice. the country have that choice. and that's that's point and that's why that's the point of and um, but what is of brexit. and um, but what is happening in real terms, as keith found out, 4600 lives in four years, we're not signed up to. that means we are diverging away from the eu, and it makes it harder to rejoin. >> and as you said , some of the >> and as you said, some of the laws may have quite useful, >> and as you said, some of the lawtheay have quite useful, >> and as you said, some of the lawtheay havis, quite useful, >> and as you said, some of the lawtheay havis, theyjuite useful, >> and as you said, some of the lawtheay havis, they weren'teful, but the point is, they weren't our laws. they were from brussels. some of are brussels. some of them are frankly 451 miles frankly ridiculous. 451 miles of paper. frankly ridiculous. 451 miles of paper . this total, frankly ridiculous. 451 miles of paper. this total, including a ruling on gender balance , which ruling on gender balance, which meant that you would have to employ people by their sex. the sort of nonsense that people would think should be up to the individual companies to choose from. >> yes, also, but also maybe a government might, might try and bnng government might, might try and bring that in and then that might a rebellion in the might find a rebellion in the house commons. voted house of commons. it's voted down. that's democracy. the point was moved by point is, the power was moved by brexit from brussels to this country. now people who are country. and now people who are elected here make those choices. >> think , looking back, >> do you think, looking back, that we've made a good fist of brexit, or do you think it's an opportunity kind been opportunity that's kind of been squandered ? squandered? >> long thought it was seen

>> i've long thought it was seen as problem, opportunity as a problem, not an opportunity by successive governments. i think boris kind of think that boris johnson kind of gets it or got it. uh, liz truss saw the advantage of it. rishi sunak himself was a brexiteer in 2016, although wasn't very high profile one then. he's trying to make i think. i do think it's kind of on the civil servants and others to try and take the advantages that brexit is meant to have given them, as we try and diverge away from the eu and maybe towards the cptpp and be and diverge away from the eu and mayb ofowards the cptpp and be and diverge away from the eu and mayb of awards the cptpp and be and diverge away from the eu and mayb of a ofds the cptpp and be and diverge away from the eu and mayb of a of an:he cptpp and be and diverge away from the eu and mayb of a of an exporter» and be and diverge away from the eu and mayb of a of an exporter andi be more of a of an exporter and closer with the us, maybe . so closer with the us, maybe. so i think there are opportunities there. i'm not sure they've been grasped. >> yeah. and looking at the pictures there, it seems a long time now. course we have time ago now. of course we have covid since then we've covid lockdowns since then we've been huge financial been plunged into huge financial debt, of that and at the consequence of that and at the time has to be said chris. a lot of us were saying there are gaping open goals here for rowing back and that's your a lot of your film then that one, that one there. >> but you're on the stage with nigel farage. weren't you on the brexit night? that's right. four years ago tonight. then of

years ago tonight. and then of course you there also in course you were there also in the of the in the chamber of the european that's european parliament. that's right. and right. when you wave goodbye and how emotional you? how was that emotional for you? because four times, i because you spoke four times, i think parliament i did, think in the parliament i did, yeah. >> i e i even once called yeah. >> i even once called guy >> and i even once called guy verhofstadt darth vader, which actually enjoyed, actually he enjoyed, which i think the think says more about the man than me. am with michael than me. there i am with michael heaven than me. there i am with michael heaver, one of the brexit party meps, tim meps, with nigel farage and tim martin. after we got martin. that was after we got out. is he why is he, why is out. why is he why is he, why is he death he chartered a death star? >> what's that about? why are you calling him? >> vader as michelle >> i said vader as michelle dewberry on of course, >> i said vader as michelle dewbony on of course, >> i said vader as michelle dewbon she on of course, >> i said vader as michelle dewbon she wasyn of course, >> i said vader as michelle dewbon she was onyf course, >> i said vader as michelle dewbon she was on stage se, >> i said vader as michelle dewbon she was on stage that later on she was on stage that night i said, this place later on she was on stage that ni huge i said, this place later on she was on stage that ni huge plenary said, this place later on she was on stage that ni huge plenary inid, this place later on she was on stage that ni huge plenary in strasbourg :e later on she was on stage that ni huge plenary in strasbourg is is huge plenary in strasbourg is the death star, where democracy comes to die and guy verhofstadt is it's darth vader and the camera cuts because no one voted for guy verhofstadt. that's right. he was an elected bureaucrat. they did in his country . but point being, country. but the point being, the imposition of those laws onto us. and when we saw , um, onto us. and when we saw, um, ursula von der leyen voted in on a ticket of one, she was the only candidate on the list. we saw this for what it was at the time, and we were very, very

interrupted. we made huge amounts were amounts of media. we were anarchic and we set the agenda from day one, when we turned our backs on the national anthem, which to this bothers lot which to this day bothers a lot of um, i was the eu of people. um, i was the eu national anthem, the eu national anthem, ode to joy, ode to joy on that was in on day one. that was back in the july 2020. we've just been july of 2020. we've just been elected thought i'd elected in. i never thought i'd be in as a politician. be elected in as a politician. i'm coal miner son from i'm a coal miner son from nottingham, went nottingham, but we went to get the and wonder if we the job done and i wonder if we did get the job done. i'm talking to you. turn to now, talking to you. turn to you now, lord foulkes. um, you've lord george foulkes. um, you've been different in your lord george foulkes. um, you've been to different in your lord george foulkes. um, you've been to me.erent in your lord george foulkes. um, you've been to me.eren'said'our opinion to me. you said here brexit a disaster , breaking brexit was a disaster, breaking away from a 40 year union. why do you think that's the case? >> total disaster. by the way, christopher these were christopher said that these were unelected. were so unelected. you were elected so that elected people in that we had elected people in brussels helping to no power, helping to make these decisions. and these 400,000 that you talk about, they were , uh, protecting about, they were, uh, protecting the environment , looking after the environment, looking after workers rights. >> now , what's happened since we >> now, what's happened since we got a new promised, among others, £350 million a week for

the nhs , the nhs, the nhs is the nhs, the nhs, the nhs is getting less now. >> you said food prices would go down, food prices have gone up, things have got worse. >> food prices are cheaper here than in germany. >> germany is currently what they've got up and we you said we'd have good, better deals with other countries. >> the deal with australia . uh, >> the deal with australia. uh, george eustice said australia won in that deal. britain lost out. >> we've just mock it up. i nearly said buggered up. >> we've just mucked up anyway. >> we've just mucked up anyway. >> we've just mucked up anyway. >> we've we've just mucked up our deal with canada. >> no, no we haven't. we've stood up for british farmers , stood up for british farmers, these automobiles. >> we should be we should be sending british made motors to canada. >> and we won't be doing that because indians wanted to import beef from canada. >> been treated with >> they've been treated with hormones wanted hormones and they wanted stronger deals for they , didn't stronger deals for they, didn't i? it's called brinksmanship . i? it's called brinksmanship. >> i asked yesterday what they were going to to back in. were going to do to get back in. they know . the british they don't know. the british government know. they don't know. the british govand1ent know. they don't know. the british govand you know. they don't know. the british govand you talk know. they don't know. the british govand you talk about ow. they don't know. the british govand you talk about unelected >> and you talk about unelected bureaucrats who negotiated . this

bureaucrats who negotiated. this dreadful brexit. >> that man frost, he he knew who elected him. >> he was never elected. >> he was never elected. >> he was elected. >> he was elected. >> no . but the george, he wasn't >> no. but the george, he wasn't he was a civil servant. you've you've you've listed, you know, a long line of failures by politicians and officials as delivering brexit. you step back. brexit was about giving power to elected people in this country to do their best with it. and they have failed. and arguably those were failures. they failed. stop it doesn't doesn't make brexit a bad thing. stop the boats. >> what's happened now? we've had government >> what's happened now? we've hacall government >> what's happened now? we've hacall years government >> what's happened now? we've hacall years and ernment >> what's happened now? we've hacall years and since�*nt for all these years and since brexit, what have they done to protect our borders? nothing. we've more and more people we've got more and more people coming in boats specially made for the purpose. >> again , it's failure the >> again, it's a failure by the government . government. >> that's why we need a labour government . government. >> it's a labour government that will boats. >> t- @ let's let's just boats. >> let's let's just agree >> okay, let's let's just agree on um, brexit was an on this. um, brexit was an opportunity that many of us at the time. and i said to you before, many of us brexit party meps thought the deal at the

time wasn't a good deal for britain. but we trusted the britain. but we trusted and the electorate trusted the conservatives go and conservatives to go back and renegotiate get a proper renegotiate and get a proper deal on things like taxes , on deal on things like taxes, on things like the level playing field and things like fishing, on things like border control field and things like fishing, on tthey! like border control field and things like fishing, on tthey! like bordthat.1trol field and things like fishing, on tthey! like bordthat. we. field and things like fishing, on tthey! like bordthat. we can and they didn't do that. we can agree. i think it was an opportunity squandered. you know, you lot do know, what would you lot do better you the results? better when you saw the results? okay. okay for you okay. hang on. it's okay for you to there and say, well, to sit there and say, well, labour will take control of labour will take back control of our how will waiting our borders. how will waiting for answers say hang on our borders. how will waiting for then1swers say hang on our borders. how will waiting for then you rs say hang on our borders. how will waiting for then you keep say hang on our borders. how will waiting for then you keep going.ang on and then you keep going. >> well, you you look >> uh, well, you you look surprised, actually. and so did nigel farage when you when you actually won, you weren't ready . actually won, you weren't ready. you weren't expecting to win that were you know, we did we weren't expecting it though. i expected weren't expected to win. you weren't ready. the government wasn't ready. the government wasn't ready we've totally ready because we've been totally disorganised . disorganised. >> and the conservatives because you never thought you please. >> because the entire cameron establishment, the establishment, including the house of lords, had this nailed on as it was. >> cameron cameron thought, we'll get the europe we'll get rid of the europe problem and the conservative party. referendum , party. we'll have a referendum, we'll win it and we'll shut up

the brexiteers. and he lost it all. he will agree. david cameron made worse. he made cameron made it worse. he made it worse the country. it worse for the country. >> you haven't >> yeah, but you haven't answered the question. how would laboun in labour. it's okay. in opposition. easy. we'd opposition. it's easy. oh we'd be doing better than that. so how labour party how how would the labour party stop well if yvette stop the boat? well if yvette cooper made it we are cooper had made it clear we are going to work with all the european that we european countries that we should to with make should be working to with make sure these boats aren't sure that these boats aren't built get gangs to stop built to get the gangs to stop the and the other thing we the gangs and the other thing we need to do, you know, wait a minute, you know, but, you know, we're of we're spending millions of pounds aid in this pounds developing aid in this country , looking after these country, looking after these people when they come over there. >> wouldn't it be much better to spend that money in their own country , building up their country, building up their economy so that there isn't an incentive for them to come over here? >> that would be an endless supply of money that would be a limitless that would be that would be foreign aid on steroids . it'd superannuated . it'd be superannuated giveaways that's what giveaways. that's not what people are countries asia >> there are countries in asia and america that to and latin america that used to come over here. >> they've built over >> they've been built up over

the they are now self the years and they are now self sufficient . we should be doing sufficient. we should be doing the same in africa. >> chris george fuchs, do you want to rejoin the eu and not immediately? >> no, i think yes, i think it would not be our our priority of a labour government . we've got a labour government. we've got so many more things. we've got to clear up the mess that the tories have . tories have. >> you said immediately so do you if you vote labour the you think if you vote labour the end the eu end result is rejoining the eu in a first or second time labour government? necessarily. government? no not necessarily. >> build up our >> we need to build up our relations with the eu. might relations with the eu. we might end up with a deal like switzerland, switzerland have all the european all the benefits of the european union any of the union without any of the disadvantage, how disadvantage, say, over how things happen. >> switzerland are >> yeah, but but switzerland are allowed to have referendums or veto electorally at any point that's written into their constitution. >> i know that because we were visited by the swiss when we were in brussels, we don't have that here. what you're talking about a realignment, about is a gradual realignment, about is a gradual realignment, a death by a thousand a sort of death by a thousand paper cuts, type realignment through flap and through the cat flap and actually, i think we can agree that the concert gives left that cat flap and screwed. and that

is why a lot of people think brexit hasn't been done. and you've more or less just flashed your there. your your garter there. your your ambition rejoin. ambition is to rejoin. >> no, i, i'm a european. i'm a pro—european . i campaigned to go pro—european. i campaigned to go in. i campaigned to stay in. and i think it's been a total, total disaster . i think it's been a total, total disaster. but we now i think it's been a total, total disaster . but we now have to disaster. but we now have to accept it. but we still are the biggest trading partners are in europe. they're the closest to us exports and imports have gone up since brexit. no, they're closest and we're going to closest to us and we're going to have this huge problem getting to countries of the to the european countries of the european union in terms of our passport. they're check passport. they're going to check your you go in. your eyes when you go in. >> but that's the european union imposing stricter laws. and that's about data capture. and it's deliberately trying it's about deliberately trying to make. >> wouldn't have had that to make. >:we'd wouldn't have had that to make. >:we'd worin n't have had that to make. >:we'd worin n't ieuropeanthat if we'd stayed in the european union . union. >> we would. >> we would. >> young are not >> our young people are not having the opportunities that you i had when we you and chris and i had when we were young to travel all over europe. >> they can. how on earth are people allowed to travel? people not allowed to travel? >> we're much more

difficult. >> there's no barbed wire around i >> -- >> wish, maybe wish there was. >> wish, maybe wish there was. >> but it's much more difficult now also now to travel. and also you can't stay in there. there are , can't stay in there. there are, uh, opportunities that we used to have for studying in europe that we don't have anymore . it's that we don't have anymore. it's been a total disaster. and the young people particularly are suffering. >> we've got a disaster in britain by by recruiting foreign students because they pay vastly more great sums of money. and the working classes , who the white working classes, who the white working classes, who the labour party used to represent sniff represent can't get a sniff against what about against university. what about doing something about that? >> it even >> well, that's what it even worse in scotland. let me tell you. in scotland you. because in scotland qualified students are qualified scottish students are not getting to in uh, uh, scottish universities because it's uh uh , much more lucrative it's uh uh, much more lucrative for their universities to take in students from abroad, because it's not by any fees. >> are they free tuition fees? >> are they free tuition fees? >> there's no taxpayers. it's okay. having free tuition fees. >> but if you if you've got no places and they don't have places and they don't have places and they don't have places and we've do you know places and we've got do you know there more chinese students

there are more chinese students in scotland than there are students from edinburgh? >> it's ridiculous. and >> and it's ridiculous. and that's scottish that's that's the scottish government and on that we can concur. coi'icui'. >> concun >> you know, british students being because they being locked out because they don't is a huge don't pay enough is a huge problem. what the labour party do scottish do about that, the scottish government is a total disaster at moment. government is a total disaster at we've ment. government is a total disaster at we've gotit. government is a total disaster at we've got this woman who was >> we've got this woman who was our first minister giving evidence in edinburgh inquiry, and she used to go on television every day pretending to give , every day pretending to give, uh, public announcements about pubuc uh, public announcements about public health. and in fact, it was a party political broadcast day in, day out. she exploited it. she's now been crying on television and saying, i didn't want to be first minister. she was giving out health information. >> she was. i know you say that, george. that's your labour. labour eyes. but but she wanted it out. advice to scots and she gave advice. but then. but then she made it into a party. >> political . and now she's >> political. and now she's crying. she's bringing on the tears. uh, artificial . tears. uh, artificial. >> well are they, are they

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today that the plan to close the blast furnace is pretty much a done deal. sad news. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel .

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why. some fishermen in cornwall are feeling one of those famous brexit benefits. taking back control of our waters. but before that, tata steelworks bosses have been appearing in front of the welsh affairs committee today answering questions on the closure of port talbot's blast furnaces . it's talbot's blast furnaces. it's part of a transition to greener steelmaking, putting thousands ofjobs steelmaking, putting thousands of jobs at risk. uk sales have saved . saved. >> uk sales and saved . >> uk sales and saved. >> uk sales and saved. >> and as you can, as you can hear there, the unions are not remotely happy about it, with hundreds protesting in westminster. but the welsh secretary has defended the transition , saying it will make transition, saying it will make the uk less dependent on other countries for steelmaking . countries for steelmaking. >> 100% of the materials the iron ore and the coke, which are used to produce steel in port talbot, are being imported from abroad, whereas at the same time we're exporting 8 million tons of steel , which means that of scrap steel, which means that actually an art furnace actually building an art furnace

to of that scrap steel to make use of that scrap steel is making us dependent on is making us less dependent on other for our steel. other countries for our steel. >> as job losses >> and as far as the job losses are concerned, speaker, the are concerned, mr speaker, the uk government has put aside a budget of £80 million, combined with £20 million from tata to support anyone who loses their job. >> well, joining me now is our economics and business editor, liam halligan, to discuss this with on the money . okay, liam, with on the money. okay, liam, welcome to the show. so they're trying to put a spin on it there in the westminster bubble. this is the transition . it's not as is the transition. it's not as bad as we're making out honesty, but the unions aren't happy . and but the unions aren't happy. and there's no way of spinning this. a being axed a thousands of jobs being axed from port talbot and a sad day for british manufacturing . to for british manufacturing. to employ here in wales. >> i was down in port talbot just a few weeks ago when the news that the blast furnace to the blast furnaces there, two of the blast furnaces there, two of the four remaining blast

furnaces in the uk will be closed , two at port talbot, closed, two at port talbot, owned by indian conglomerate tata. the other two in scunthorpe owned, which is owned by a chinese conglomerate . look, by a chinese conglomerate. look, the welsh secretary actually has a point. i made the same point in my sunday telegraph column at the weekend . maybe he reads the the weekend. maybe he reads the sunday telegraph if they're replacing a blast furnace which relies on coke and coal and iron ore, which has to be an imported, we don't have any iron ore in the uk anymore, and they're replacing them with electric arc furnaces , which use electric arc furnaces, which use scrap metal. and the uk is the second biggest exporter of scrap metal in the world. trouble metal in the world. the trouble with those arc furnaces, though, is they rely on lots of is that they rely on lots of electricity and our electricity is very, very expensive. but when i was in port talbot, i did talk to lots of trade union leaders. they were saying that the uk, with no blast furnaces won't be able to make virgin steel from first principles. there are certain types of high quality steel you can't actually make at the moment. in electric

arc furnaces, you only can in blast furnaces and indeed, as you said earlier, martin, down at westminster, we talked to some union leaders and feelings were running extremely high here they are. >> message today is for tata and the uk government to stand up, listen to what we're saying. we're not going down without a fight. we're going to fight to the bitter end to save our industry. this struggle is about killing communities, killing all of wales. it's the of of south wales. it's the end of it effectively, in it. industry effectively, in south wales, we've never recovered from the mines. this will worse again. so i think will be worse again. so i think our fight is to keep our communities alive and keep our families and our children in jobs for them . jobs for them. >> martin port talbot is a steel town. they've been making steel in port talbot since the turn of the last century. the men and women who work in the steelworks now , there are 4000 of them. now, there are 4000 of them. there fathers, their grandfathers, their great grandfathers, their great grandfathers, pioneered some of the steelmaking techniques that

have been spread around the world. i personally, i personally wouldn't have closed down both blast furnaces at once. i'd have closed down one of them. the cost savings there. we need to develop the technology that allows us to make virgin steel or run blast furnaces is not on coking coal, which is extremely carbon intensive , but on hydrogen and intensive, but on hydrogen and other forms of technology. we want to get the sort of green hit , if you want to get the sort of green hit, if you like. ministers want to get the green hit and tata frankly want to save money before the technology is there to replace it. and look, tata themselves, they say, oh, we want to be all green. they're just to open a bunch of just about to open a bunch of blast in india, which blast furnaces in india, which of pollute the . world of course pollute the. world that we live in. so there's a lot of hypocrisy from tata. i would say, and also the government's bunging in half £1 billion make transition , billion to make this transition, which to the closure which is leading to the closure of blast furnaces, the introduction of electric arc furnaces, which are much less labour intensive. so you're going to have a lot of steel

making families port talbot making families in port talbot losing their livelihoods. some of those men and women, sadly, will never work again, but they're highly skilled workers, steel making . we've still got steel making. we've still got 30,000 steel making jobs in the uk, many more in the supply chain . they're generally well chain. they're generally well paid jobs . martin. in parts of paid jobs. martin. in parts of the country, like south wales, like the midlands, like the nonh like the midlands, like the north east, which need those highly paid jobs. so it's no wonder the trade unions are kicking up a fuss. and quite frankly, i think the government should should have showed a bit more sensitivity on this and gone more slowly because gone a bit more slowly because the green benefits from this aren't nearly what they're cracked up to be. given that we're going to be relying on lots of imported steel and steel that's imported in diesel powered freight ships from the other side of the world. going through the red sea and the suez canal. through the red sea and the suez canal . pretty difficult. that canal. pretty difficult. that part of the world. so a part of the world. so it's a multi faceted conversation . but multi faceted conversation. but i think for the people of port talbot they will feel understandably that sort of

metropolitan, uh, obsessions with net zero and environmentalism are being achieved on the backs of their livelihoods . we have to take the livelihoods. we have to take the country with us when it comes to improving the environment or people will come along who deny completely that there's a problem and will go into reverse i >> -- >> yeah. liam halligan you know, you've been all over this story since the start as a coal miner's son. i remember when the pits were shut and what it did to those communities generations later. recovered. later. they haven't recovered. liam, port talbot now heading down route, thousands down that same route, thousands of comment from the of jobs. quick comment from the gmb earlier this is not a gmb union earlier this is not a dying it is vibrant dying industry. it is vibrant and could be providing jobs for the next 100 years. a lot of people, liam will feel that the woke class once again is taking precedence over the working class. you very much. liam class. thank you very much. liam halligan . there's lots more halligan. there's lots more still to come between now and 5:00 and a few minutes. i'll speak to an expert about the shock news that our population is set increase by more than is set to increase by more than 6 million in just 12 years, and

what difference will that make for people looking to buy a house or even book a humble gp appointment ? but first, your appointment? but first, your latest news headlines with polly middlehurst . the top stories middlehurst. the top stories this hour. >> there'll be no routine checks on goods traded between the uk mainland and northern ireland after the government published details of the deal with the democratic unionist party today . democratic unionist party today. the agreement sets the stage now for the return of power sharing at stormont after the dup withdrew almost two years ago. the new deal will also see a package of more than £3 billion to support public services in northern ireland. labour says it will set out plans to renationalise britain's railways next month. the party announced the news last year but speaking exclusively to gb news earlier , exclusively to gb news earlier, the shadow transport secretary said the public will find out more detail on the plans in 2 or 3 weeks time . the home secretary

3 weeks time. the home secretary has conceded that the number of asylum seekers likely to be sent to rwanda under the government's £240 million scheme could actually be quite low. answering questions at the home affairs select committee this morning , select committee this morning, james cleverly admitted he couldn't say how many of the 33,000 asylum seekers identify as eligible would eventually be sent to rwanda . meanwhile, gb sent to rwanda. meanwhile, gb news understands several illegal migrants have been rescued after their boat got into difficulty trying to cross the english channel. they were attempting to come from france in poor weather conditions. lifeboats from doven conditions. lifeboats from dover, dungeness and hastings were called to the scene , and were called to the scene, and four boats which made the crossing , with around 200 people crossing, with around 200 people being ashore to dover by being brought ashore to dover by border force officials, work there so far this year, around 1200 migrants have crossed to the uk, roughly the same number as last year, and her majesty the queen was greeted with well—wishers and hopes for the king's speedy recovery today as she visited a hospital in

london. queen camilla launched a maggie's at the royal free this morning. her majesty has been president of the charity since 2008. it supports cancer patients and their families with 24 centres based in hospitals right across the uk and it's her first official visit to one of their centres since becoming queen. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts, scan the qr code on your screen if you're watching tv or go to gb news. com alerts . news. com alerts. >> thank you paulie. now we've already talked about some of the good and the bad things that have happened in the four years since you left the european union. big arguments union. one of the big arguments in of what brexit was in favour of what brexit was meant to be we could meant to be was that we could take back control of our borders , and fair to say that's , and it's fair to say that's not really worked has not really worked out. has it more small boat migrants crossed the channel this morning. over a thousand people have already

arrived in dover this year alone, and it's still january . alone, and it's still january. and earlier today, james cleverly admitted that the number of asylum seekers being removed to rwanda under rishi sunak's flagship, £240 million scheme could be, quote, quite low . now mr cleverly was low. now mr cleverly was speaking a day after it emerged that the uk population is expected to increase by a staggering 6 million in the next 12 years alone, with 92% of that through immigration. ian, i'm joined now by jamie jenkins, who's an independent statistician and a political commentator. welcome to the show, jamie . jamie, these show, jamie. jamie, these numbers are simply eye—watering. many people are saying they are unsustainable, but they don't even take into account things like population , birth booms of like population, birth booms of those arriving in the true figure. jamie could actually be much, much higher. >> yeah. good afternoon . it >> yeah. good afternoon. it could be much higher because the

way the ons compile the figures, martin, is they look at kind of the population going forward. >> they'll estimate the number of births deaths , and of births and deaths, and that'll be the birth numbers will kind of be determined in terms of how people of terms of how many people of childbearing age we would expect in population. that's not in the population. that's not too project . too difficult to project. >> and then you've got the deaths. >> so we know we've got an ageing population, so we'll expect more in the future. but the migration number >> but the migration number could actually be on the low point. >> so the numbers you just quoted much higher. and quoted could be much higher. and the reason for that we go the reason for that is if we go from 2027 onwards, they're projecting that we'll have a net immigration figure of 315,000. now if you look at what we've seen in the last couple of years, we've figures that years, we've had figures that are than double that are more than double that 700,000 migration. so to get 700,000 net migration. so to get this of population going up this kind of population going up to about 6 or 7 million now over the next 14, 15 years, if we get the next 14, 15 years, if we get the migration numbers that we've seen in the last couple of years, it could be much higher than that. and the issue there, martin, puts huge pressure martin, is it puts huge pressure on services and if we

on public services and if we don't have the right figures or if they're too much of an underestimate, we don't build enough houses. we don't have enough houses. we don't have enough don't enough reservoirs, we don't have enough reservoirs, we don't have enough road, etc. and enough railway, road, etc. and the of life for the quality of life for everybody diminishes. the quality of life for eve exactlydiminishes. the quality of life for eve exactly right.shes. the quality of life for eve exactly right. and the >> exactly right. and the figures it's 156,000 new homes every year will need to be built to cope with those numbers that it's basically building a new nottingham, my home city, every year to accommodate 315,000. let's face it, we're not going to do that, are we, jamie? at the moment, we're not building anywhere near that number. and anyhow , isn't the answer to anyhow, isn't the answer to control those coming in rather than simply accommodate for those who arrive ? those who arrive? >> well, i think so. remember we've had pledges from the conservative party in the past. >> david cameron , let's get >> david cameron, let's get migration down to the tens of thousands. >> and we've seen huge population growth over the last 10 or 20 years through migration. and the figures you quoted there on housing, i think a reminder to people is a stark reminder to people is

that you go back to 1997, that if you go back to 1997, around the time tony blair was elected, the average house price to what you earn was about three and a times in 2022, it's and a half times in 2022, it's over eight times now. >> so the huge migration we've seen over the last 25 years or so, when you add on top of the fact that wages haven't gone up as much, means that it's just unaffordable because we haven't built houses. built enough houses. >> and if that continues in the future, people future, you know, young people getting future, you know, young people gettnoi future, you know, young people gettno chance. got no chance. >> and jamie, that brings me to the next point , a simple supply the next point, a simple supply and demand equation for everything. as you mentioned, water. you know where we we're going through droughts every yean going through droughts every year, not because of climate change, but because we just aren't building any new reservoirs. and the likelihood of happening of of that happening because of planning restrictions small. planning restrictions is small. and we're putting on 10% on and yet we're putting on 10% on our population by 2036. we won't have more houses, we won't have more gps , we won't have more more gps, we won't have more schools. or if we want to supply them, there's going to be a catastrophically high public

purse impact. has any of this been costed up ? been costed up? >> i don't think so. and you've only got to look at today in terms of what's happened with a lack planning with, say, the lack of planning with, say, the nhs mine, because if you look now we've got the number of pensioners we've been projecting, know , ageing projecting, you know, ageing population in population and growth in pensioners, more pensioners, which puts more demand nhs . demand on the nhs. >> but have we got the staff to cope that. cope with that. >> so got record >> no. so we've got record waiting lists. put the waiting lists. will they put the plans 15 plans in place in the next 15 years off back of these years off the back of these numbers, probably not. you know what like. what governments are like. they'll five terms. they'll work on five year terms. >> these figures are giving you a kind idea we're a kind of an idea of where we're going going for the next going to be going for the next 15 years, and it's just a stark reminder, you know, more and more reduce more people does reduce the quality individuals quality of life for individuals in don't in the country. if you don't actually that, if you get actually accept that, if you get more people need put more people, you need to put more people, you need to put more investment into better infrastructure. >> without that , you know, the >> without that, you know, the immigration figures are quite starkly are kind worrying . starkly are kind of worrying. >> from from a purely >> and jamie, from from a purely statistical point of view, political neutral point of view . political neutral point of view. when you look at these numbers,

when you look at the associated costings of house building of service provision of building reservoirs and then the burden on the taxpayer for an ageing population , an increase nhs all population, an increase nhs all the rest of it. is this a model of a country that's even remotely sustained , able ? remotely sustained, able? >> i don't think so. you're just looking at the pensioner part of that. >> we're going to see an increase from around 12 million to 15 million pensioners over the next 15 years. that's going to cost on the state to put a huge cost on the state pension . and kind of in pension. and it's kind of in part why the government's increasing age at which you increasing the age at which you can draw state pension. so can draw the state pension. so all of hasn't been kind of all of this hasn't been kind of costed martin. costed, martin. >> you know , the >> and ultimately, you know, the next government is obviously odds the labour party odds on for the labour party being in power. >> next government >> but the next government really needs to look the really needs to look to the medium terme, just medium to long terme, not just the next 4 to years. yeah the next 4 to 5 years. yeah >> jamie, just one final >> and jamie, just one final stats end on. these figures stats to end on. these figures also included this an additional 1 million people in the uk aged 85 or over in the next 15 years.

jamie, these are the people who have the most expensive demands on the nhs because we know we're living longer and end of life care is most expensive and care is the most expensive and that increased pension burden. jamie , thank you for jamie jenkins, thank you for joining us. don't think joining us. i don't think they've costed any of this up . i they've costed any of this up. i think we're heading for economic suicide. if we go down this route . that's just my take on route. that's just my take on it. jenkins , an it. jamie jenkins, an independent statistician and a political commentator, thank you very much for joining the very much for joining us on the show . now, almost four months show. now, almost four months after hamas attacked israel, scores of hostages are still missing. i'll be speaking next to a cousin of one of those. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel

news the people's channel, britain's news channel . in 2024. britain's news channel. in 2024. >> gb news is britain's election channel. come and join me this thursday in scunthorpe live by scanning the qr code or going on gb news. com to get your ticket for the event , we'll be for the event, we'll be discussing things like why the green agenda is risking jobs in places like scunthorpe . welcome back. >> it's 447. you're watching all this into martin daubney on gb news at 5:00. i'm mark the fourth anniversary of brexit with a gb news exclusive about the staggering number of laws that britain has dodged since quitting the european union . now quitting the european union. now it's been nearly four months

since hamas carried out its brutal terrorist attack on israel and captured innocent people as hostages . some have people as hostages. some have been released, but israel says 136 people are still being held by hamas, but estimates around two dozen of those are presumed now to be tragically dead . one now to be tragically dead. one of those still being held hostage is 19 year old egon berger . she hostage is 19 year old egon berger. she was one of those taken captive by militants on october the 7th. and i can now speak with ashley. her cousin, who is the cousin of again berger, who is in the studio. thank you so much for coming in to see us at gb news. can we start? why are you in britain? you've spoken today. i understand in parliament. >> that's correct. >> that's correct. >> so i came in from israel to speak today. there was a panel in front of many members of parliament. we were talking specifically about the sexual abuse. specifically about the sexual abuse . from october 7th. and abuse. from october 7th. and i came specifically to speak about

the hostages, specifically my cousin, the female hostages that are still there after 117 days and we've seen we know from independent investigations because we know people are going to say we don't believe israel, but i'm saying independent investigations have already confirmed of barbaric sexual activity and gang rape . on activity and gang rape. on october 7th. and that was eight hours, ten hours. they have been there. these girls have been there. these girls have been there for 117 days now. and the difficult things need to be said. what if they're pregnant ? said. what if they're pregnant? what if they need to abort ? what what if they need to abort? what condition are they in? it's. hean condition are they in? it's. heart wrenching to think of how long they've been there. and as you mentioned , some have been you mentioned, some have been released and they're sitting there waiting. when is our turn? when our turn? when is our turn? >> you have some pictures here of your beautiful cousin . yeah. of your beautiful cousin. yeah. >> that's a gum . um, she >> so that's a gum. um, she certainly is beautiful. she is your typical teenage 19 year old

girl who likes makeup. um who? but, you know, she's such a pure, innocent soul. she plays the violin and on her 19th birthday, she wished for peace with the palestinians and for unity amongst the nations of the world. and this is an image of her that you may have seen on the cover of the daily mail not so long ago, from that day when she was taken injured . and we she was taken injured. and we also have an image of her being taken hostage with her pyjama pants all bloodied. >> and you obviously at that point fear the worst . why is the point fear the worst. why is the blood there ? and can we talk blood there? and can we talk a bit about how that made you feel as a family member to witness this happening to your beautiful cousin ? cousin? >> i just honestly , i vomited >> i just honestly, i vomited when i saw it. it's it makes you feel so helpless and it's so brutal and it's so barbaric and

rape is not resistance . and the rape is not resistance. and the hypocrisy of the world. how long it took the united nations women's organisations to even recognise this , or of them recognise this, or of them saying, where's your evidence this and really the hypocrisy of the women's rights organisations when it's israeli women, it doesn't matter. i just don't seem to understand it . seem to understand it. >> can i ask you one of the stories i covered during this that really, really bothered me as a as a mere outsider was watching people, pro—palestine protesters ripping down pictures of those who'd been kidnapped as a cousin of somebody who that's happened to. how did that make you feel? very angry. >> very, very angry . um, the >> very, very angry. um, the worst is seeing them saying, this is israeli propaganda, refusing to believe that it's that it's true. it reminds me of stories. as a child, when i was raised, they were telling us about the holocaust and about how people are denying the holocaust. and i thought, oh, we're long past that. that is,

you know, left behind 75, 80 years ago. but to see people rip down signs reminds me of down these signs reminds me of those stories that was brought up of people refusing, you know , up of people refusing, you know, saying this never happened . um, saying this never happened. um, we have heard, i've seen i'm very heavily on social media, especially since she is there. i'm on telegram following palestinian telegram pages because i'm hoping to find a sign of life and i have seen on palestinian social media rumours of selling time to spend time with these girls, to civilians, prostitution, i mean , yeah, it's prostitution, i mean, yeah, it's hard for me to say that word. that's what's happening. it's i mean, i don't i can't confirm it, but these are the rumours going on on social media, and these are our biggest fears. what what if somebody is pregnant. mhm >> and it must have been. must have been bittersweet to have seen mercifully released. seen others mercifully released. yet still don't know what's yet you still don't know what's happening to agam . how, how is happening to agam. how, how is the family getting through this time? >> i mean , there's a reason i'm

>> i mean, there's a reason i'm here and not her parents. her parents are just simply not able to go and they've interviewed a little bit, but it's too hard for them. it's too hard to tell the story again and again and again and, and, and many of these families , i mean, there these families, i mean, there are still 136 hostages, as you said . and many of these stories, said. and many of these stories, we haven't even heard because their either don't their families either don't speak or they're just speak english or they're just really not in the mental capacity right now to go and to be talking about this. and so , be talking about this. and so, unfortunately, i've been put in this position where i have to be the family representative. this isn't what i should be doing. i should be working . should be working. >> but huge, huge respect to you for doing that. because if you go silent, the world will stop listening . what are you hoping listening. what are you hoping to achieve that the world won't go silent because i've been travelling the world now talking about this. >> and surprised how >> and you'd be surprised how many and specifically many people and specifically from the young generation, where they're their they're getting their information solely from tiktok and . they don't know and twitter. they don't know about , and we're seeing about hostages, and we're seeing

awful images coming out of gaza. and i, you know, the any loss of innocent life is a tragedy on both sides. i will be the first to say it, but you cannot not go to say it, but you cannot not go to the streets of london and protest and ask for a ceasefire. if you don't know . so that we if you don't know. so that we have 136 hostages, young women in the hands of these terrorist monsters , as we saw what they monsters, as we saw what they did on october seventh. i don't want to imagine what they're doing to them. they're 117 days and counting . and counting. >> astonishingly brave story. thank you very much for coming on and sharing it with us. thank you so much. i wish you the best of luck. and i just pray for a happy resolution. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. okay, >> thank you. okay, it's >> thank you. okay, it's the fourth anniversary of brexit. trying to hold himself together and we've got a gb news investigation that's found the quit saved us more quit and the eu saved us more than 200,000 pages of bureaucracy . we'll have that bureaucracy. we'll have that after this. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel >>a channel >> a brighter outlook with boxt

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gb news. >> good afternoon . it's 5 pm. >> good afternoon. it's 5 pm. welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news broadcasting live from the heart of westminster. all all across the uk. now can you remember what you were doing? four years ago today? well i know exactly what i was doing . oh hey , no one. i was doing. oh hey, no one. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> us is the fourth and nursery of brexit day. the moment the united kingdom finally left the european union , and i was right

european union, and i was right in the thick of it. in fact, i took that video on stage of nigel at that magic moment and stand by for a gb news exclusive . the shows why getting out of the eu has been a huge bonus for this country . after a this country. after a breakthrough in the deadlock over power sharing in stormont, sinn fein say a united ireland is within touching distance that would signal the break—up of the uk and for many, a huge brexit betrayal. we'll talk about that soon. and disgraced former bbc journalist martin bashir has claimed criticism following his interview with diana, princess of wales , was down to jealousy of wales, was down to jealousy and of course, racism . that's and of course, racism. that's all coming up in your next hour. well, they say a week is a long time in politics. four years seems like an eternity . since we seems like an eternity. since we finally left the eu, we've had covid, lockdowns and all sorts since then. but what are your

memories of that night? was it a magic night or was brexit a huge opportunity that's been sadly squandered by the people in power? let me know . power? let me know. vaiews@gbnews.com. we'll have all this discussion after this. but first your latest news headunes but first your latest news headlines with polly middlehurst . martin >> thank you. the top stories this hour. there'll be no routine checks on goods traded between the uk mainland and northern ireland after the government published details of its deal with the democratic unionist party today. the agreement sets the stage for the return of power sharing at stormont after the dup withdrew. for almost two years, the new deal will also see a package of more than £3 billion to support pubuc more than £3 billion to support public services in northern ireland. the new deal is expected to be debated in parliament tomorrow, with the northern ireland secretary , northern ireland secretary, chris heaton—harris, saying this

will bring the uk together . will bring the uk together. >> it is time to build on the progress of the last 25 years. >> today we have presented a plan which will deliver the long tum change that northern ireland needs. >> it will strengthen northern ireland's place in our union and guarantee the free flow of goods across the entire united kingdom . and it is only by sticking to this plan that we will become a more united and prosperous country together , labour has country together, labour has said it's going to set out plans to renationalise britain's railways next month. >> the party announced the news last year, but speaking exclusively to gb news earlier on today, the shadow transport secretary said the public will find out more details about their plans in 2 or 3 weeks time. we've got a plan to fix the railways as a whole, which includes which involves bringing operators into public ownership, but that will actually be bring significant savings . significant savings. >> our railways are really wasteful at the moment because they're so fractured and i'll be

setting out plans actually in just 2 or 3 weeks time that will demonstrate how we'll save money and how money, the whole and how that money, the whole network, bring network, the railways to bring those operators into public ownership and bring all of them. absolutely within first absolutely within the first terms of labour government. terms of a labour government. >> louise haigh, the shadow transport secretary, they're now the home secretary, has conceded the home secretary, has conceded the of asylum seekers the home secretary, has conceded the to of asylum seekers the home secretary, has conceded the to be of asylum seekers the home secretary, has conceded the to be sent;ylum seekers the home secretary, has conceded the to be sent t01m seekers the home secretary, has conceded the to be sent to rwandaers likely to be sent to rwanda under the government's £240 million scheme, could actually be quite low . answering be quite low. answering questions at the home affairs select committee this morning, james cleverly admitted he couldn't say how many of the 33,000 asylum seekers identified as eligible would eventually be sent there . he said the total sent there. he said the total could be nearly that figure, but also said it could be small if other work to reduce channel boat crossings was successful. the government is attempting to pass legislation deeming rwanda a safe country. the bill is currently making its way through the house of lords. meanwhile, gb news understands several illegal migrants have been rescued today after their boat got into difficulties in the

engush got into difficulties in the english channel. they were trying to cross from france in poor weather conditions. lifeboats were dispatched from doven lifeboats were dispatched from dover, dungeness and hastings. four boats were making the crossing with around 200 people on board. they were brought ashore by border force officials. officials at dover say so far this year, around 1200 migrants have made the crossing roughly the same number as this time last year. nicola sturgeon says her biggest regret dunng sturgeon says her biggest regret during the pandemic was not locking down sooner . ms sturgeon locking down sooner. ms sturgeon was giving evidence at the covid inquiry amid ongoing scrutiny over the deletion of or otherwise of her whatsapp messages . the former first messages. the former first minister admitted deleting the messages but said she acted in line with the scottish government policy of not saving them on her devices . government policy of not saving them on her devices. ms government policy of not saving them on her devices . ms sturgeon them on her devices. ms sturgeon appeared emotional as she recounted that part of her wished she'd not been first minister when the pandemic took hold . the man shot dead by

hold. the man shot dead by police in london yesterday after breaking into a home armed with a crossbow, was a convicted stalker, bryce hodgson had been convicted of stalking, including entering a woman's bedroom without her consent. the 30 year old was also under a five year restraining order that banned him from entering the street, where he was threatening residents in surrey quays . the residents in surrey quays. the government's refused to rule out relying on imported steel after the planned closure of blast furnaces at port talbot in wales , executives from tata steel are being questioned in westminster on the plans, which puts 2800 jobs at risk. the company says it's moving to more environmentally friendly production of steel, which they say requires fewer staff. but workers have been staging protests outside parliament to warn of the impact on the local community and the wider welsh economy . the queen has been economy. the queen has been greeted by well—wishers hoping for the king's speedy recovery

as she visited a hospital in london today. queen camilla launched maggie's at the royal free this afternoon , where her free this afternoon, where her majesty was president of the charity since 2008. it supports cancer patients and their families, with 24 centres, all based in hospitals across the uk . and it's her first visit to one of the centres since becoming queen. for the latest news stories , do sign up for gb news stories, do sign up for gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen or you can go to gb news. com forward slash alerts for more . for more. >> thank you pauly. now we start this hour. the gb news exclusive on the fourth anniversary of brexit, and we can reveal the staggering number of laws that britain has dodged since quitting the european union . quitting the european union. we've escaped a whopping more than 200,000 pages of eu

bureaucracy and a massive 4640 direct lives from brussels with love. well, i'm joined now by gb news political editor chris hope and conservative mp for morecambe and lunesdale , david morecambe and lunesdale, david morris. david, thank you for joining us in the studio. chris, always a pleasure. let's start on that exclusive than by keith bayes at gb news the amount of laws not that we've scrapped since leaving, but the ones that we haven't been put under since we haven't been put under since we left. there's a word for this. >> it's called diverge, since it means that the uk is not having to count out or follow these. these rules brought in by brussels without any say over them. there's 4600 or so we now don't have, and that's as we diverge away from the eu. rejoining becomes harder because we're not. we have the same different laws here. and that's the point of brexit. the point of if you step back from of brexit, if you step back from all of wasn't even about all of this, wasn't even about the or borders. it the laws or about borders. it was giving power to from was about giving power to from brussels people in brussels to elected people in this country. now there is a

debate all day on the channel. has it been a good or a bad brexit? to me that's pointless. brexit? to me that's pointless. brexit is the weather brexit is like the weather you can't the weather. can't moan about the weather. it's it's how you deal it's a state. it's how you deal with that opportunity or not. and a lot and i do think a lot of officials and in the tory government, david, afraid, government, david, i'm afraid, have really advantage government, david, i'm afraid, hathe really advantage government, david, i'm afraid, hathe opportunity advantage government, david, i'm afraid, hathe opportunity that dvantage government, david, i'm afraid, hathe opportunity that brexit ge of the opportunity that brexit offers. and it's not brexit's fault that it hasn't really worked out just yet. other things have happened, of course covid war in ukraine, things have happened, of course covii war in ukraine, things have happened, of course covii think war in ukraine, things have happened, of course covii think the war in ukraine, things have happened, of course covii think the opportunity'aine, things have happened, of course covii think the opportunity of|e, but i think the opportunity of brexit for years since brexit for many years since brexit for many years since brexit seen as brexit for many years since b problem, seen as brexit for many years since b problem, not seen as brexit for many years since b problem, not opportunity|s a problem, not an opportunity and chance there for a brave and a chance there for a brave politician to grasp . politician to grasp. >> i think david morris, are you that brave politician? because look, on here we are look, four years on here we are and has to be said. look, four years on here we are and has to be said . a lot of and has to be said. a lot of people voted to take back control of our borders, our laws , as we just heard taxes and money and fishing. a lot of those things haven't been done, particularly border control. it's worse than ever. >> well, before i start, i can categorically assure you i am not running for leader of the tory party >> before we go anywhere . um, i

>> before we go anywhere. um, i think what's happened, i agree with what chris has said. >> we have had a delay in repack dating laws fully to our country . we have had problems with covid, we've had problems with the ukraine, but one good thing that has come out of brexit, it was when prime minister boris johnson, was the first one to johnson, he was the first one to come out for ukraine. >> for boris, >> if it wasn't for boris, america would not have come in at the back. >> get back borders >> let's get back on the borders . go to ukraine. border . let's go to ukraine. border control. control of control. taking back control of our a central tenet our borders was a central tenet of brexit, and we're not succeeding. >> obe. well, i think what i think actually we are with the rwanda bill that's through rwanda bill that's going through now, on one now, i've just seen on one of the about people trying the reports about people trying to get across before the laws come in, and think that's what come in, and i think that's what you're see. you're starting to see. >> last time on, >> i think last time i came on, i did look, i have sympathy i did say, look, i have sympathy for wanting to for people wanting to come to this country because it's a great place to live. i don't have sympathy with going have sympathy with people going through five different safe states however, the states to get here. however, the big that have is, you big problem that we have is, you know, getting on know, people are getting on boats, they're to boats, they're trying to get across boats, they're trying to get acr< it's boats, they're trying to get acr> it's perilous. >> heard, i think last time

>> we heard, i think last time i came in, about four people who died, but we are getting died, maybe. but we are getting a this issue and the a grip of this issue and the reality is this if you get labour in, they're just going to open borders he's open up the borders again. he's actually um , so yeah. actually said that, um, so yeah. >> what do we do about it? >> what do we do about it? >> the only way you can sort this out is by trying to find a deterrent and trying to make sure that we don't have the problem of people crossing on rubber the rubber boats and all the organised goes with it. >> chris, you say four people have are have died. there people are dying channel, and that's dying in the channel, and that's not them coming over. not stopping them coming over. so of so why would the threat of rwanda? think james rwanda? and i think james cleverly has said today it won't be a lot of people to be a lot of people going to rwanda should be a lot of people going to rwarthreat should be a lot of people going to rwarthreat stop should be a lot of people going to rwarthreat stop them should be a lot of people going to rwarthreat stop them coming! be a lot of people going to rwarthreat stop them coming if that threat stop them coming if dying isn't stopping them coming? think chris, i think a coming? i think chris, i think a lot more people would be coming across . across. >> i mean, we're talking about four people doing this. you know, i understand side of know, i understand your side of the argument and to a large extent it's valid and i agree with but if there is with it. but if there is a deterrent there, i mean, you go to rwanda, if you've ever been to rwanda, if you've ever been to rwanda, if you've ever been to rwanda, know, not to rwanda, you know, i'm not saying denigratory saying this in any denigratory fashion. in the middle fashion. it is in the middle of nowhere. very hard to get

nowhere. it's very hard to get out. you get processed in out. and if you get processed in rwanda, it'll you think rwanda, it'll make you think twice you're going to go twice that if you're going to go from, through from, say, four states through europe , in effect, to come to europe, in effect, to come to britain, the fifth state, you're going to end up in rwanda. it's a perverse snakes and ladders. once they're it's once they're in rwanda, it's going to very them going to be very hard for them to any asylum . um, well, to have any asylum. um, well, it's not going to hard for it's not going to be hard for them. be an appeal them. there will be an appeal because let's you know, because let's face it, you know, we understanding, very we are an understanding, very open democracy. but the point is, if you're going there in the first place, it's very unlikely you're going to be coming back and trying to get and you're trying to get anywhere else from rwanda. it's going hard indeed. going to be very hard indeed. >> a single person >> well, not a single person has left you've a bet left yet, and you've got a bet with and make with rishi sunak and i'll make the you before you go. >> will a single, go. >> willa single, um, illegal get flown to rwanda before the next think get flown to rwanda before the nex bet think get flown to rwanda before the nex bet is think get flown to rwanda before the nex bet is good. think get flown to rwanda before the nex bet is good. but think get flown to rwanda before the nex bet is good. but listen,nk my bet is good. but listen, we're the people's channel to find out what electorate find out what the electorate think. they're most think. they're the most important of this. important people in all of this. we went went boston in we went to we went to boston in lincolnshire. brexit lincolnshire. the most brexit leaning seat in. lincolnshire. the most brexit leaning seat in . all of the uk. leaning seat in. all of the uk.

and here's what voters had to say to us. >> i don't feel nothing's really changed. you know, um , to be changed. you know, um, to be fair, i mean, we got we all got told a load of twaddle . uh, it's told a load of twaddle. uh, it's a shame boris has gone because he was the one who started the ball roll thing and think if he hadnt ball roll thing and think if he hadn't got kicked, we might have got better. i don't think there's been any great change, to be honest. >> not to the to the common person on the street . no. prices person on the street. no. prices have maybe gone up, but they maybe would have done anyway with the pre after the covid pandemic and all that type of thing. uh i did vote to leave . thing. uh i did vote to leave. um, i feel we should be an um, i feel that we should be an independent country like we used to be. i know we're not the power we used to be, but definitely we not put so much money into europe and the other countries coming into the common market and that of thing . market and that type of thing. >> and do you regret that decision now? >> no, no, not at all. >>— >> no, no, not at all. >> it hasn't moved on as much as i would liked .

i would have liked. unfortunately, rid of unfortunately, they got rid of bofis unfortunately, they got rid of boris have pushed boris that might have pushed things little bit things along a little bit quicker. left in quicker. uh, but we're left in floating mid—air. i feel at floating in mid—air. i feel at the moment nothing much moving, especially with all the boats that are crossing. so that's that's bad news in my mind . and, that's bad news in my mind. and, um, my son lives down in kent and they're just coming over. unbelievable all the time. and unfortunately, this town is full of a lot of them as well . of a lot of them as well. >> and there we have a if you want the truth, you go and speak to the people. you get outside the bubble. david morris boston was the most brexit leaning seat in the entire united kingdom. it voted in its droves, was about 78, voted for brexit. and yet the residents today are telling us they don't think anything has changed. they feel the boats are continuing and they miss. boris does all this say that you promised to get brexit done but didn't really deliver? >> well, i think we are delivering. i think it's taking a lot more time of a lot more time because of factors. we talked about before.

i believe that areas of the i do believe that areas of the country are suffering more than most because of the influx of illegal asylum. i know we had it in morecambe. i've very in morecambe. i've been very successful asylum successful in moving our asylum seekers out of the hotels in morecambe and elsewhere. >> how do you achieve that ? >> how do you achieve that? >> how do you achieve that? >> working with the home office? yeah that. you know, yeah simple as that. you know, just the pressure just keeping the pressure up, working office . working with the home office. um, and it worked for me. um but, you know, i've been in parliament a long time and i know, know the ropes. so yes, it is a problem up and down for my colleagues. i don't disagree with and that's why we're with that. and that's why we're trying this rwanda bill trying to get this rwanda bill through and off the ground. well david. >> yeah, i mean, rwanda is a case in point. net migration is far bigger. i mean, that's the numbers, which, you know, your, um , oops, the rest of you have um, oops, the rest of you have voted through these big numbers, 744,000 swelled by ukrainians , 744,000 swelled by ukrainians, swelled by hong kongers coming here. but even so, the measures being pushed through by james cleverly this week will only cut it by 300,000. that's 400,000 plus these are

plus a year. these are unsustainable figures surely do you think you want to see your government, your party, fighting on a to bring it down to on a pledge to bring it down to below which below 100,000 a year? which is what khalid mahmood said the what khalid mahmood said for the labour us yesterday? what khalid mahmood said for the labwell, us yesterday? what khalid mahmood said for the labwell, i us yesterday? what khalid mahmood said for the labwell, i can'tus yesterday? what khalid mahmood said for the labwell, i can't see esterday? what khalid mahmood said for the labwell, i can't see laboury? what khalid mahmood said for the labwell, i can't see labour ever >> well, i can't see labour ever getting it down to, you know, let's way, the let's put it this way, the conservatives are hard to find it hard to sort of control it very hard to sort of control this issue because this is legal migration. we've had we're migration. we've had wars. we're welcoming. a load welcoming. we've taken in a load of refugees. we have of ukrainian refugees. we have a lot ukrainian refugees in, in lot of ukrainian refugees in, in in lancashire, where i'm from a real a lot of them. but they all want to go back to ukraine and i don't see this as a long terme issue. what becomes a long terme issue. what becomes a long terme issue is if people settle here, they have children here, their homes here. that homes are here. that is, understand able. you know, the integration of immigration occurs . but we have been going occurs. but we have been going through some very extraordinary times recently. you know , we're times recently. you know, we're deaung times recently. you know, we're dealing with three wars in europe as far as i can point to, maybe even going to what's maybe even four going to what's going on in the gulf of the houthis the red sea. um we're

houthis in the red sea. um we're living in strange times and migration has always had an effect. but illegal migration, the boat people , is totally the boat people, is totally different from legal migration. and a lot of the legal migrants that we've seen in recent, literally within the last two years have people coming years have been people coming in, know, from war torn in, you know, from war torn areas reasons areas and for political reasons like kong . like hong kong. >> yeah, but the lion's >> yeah, but but the lion's share , the numbers been share, the numbers have been walking through door walking through the front door on student visas , often to on student visas, often to mickey bringing mickey mouse degrees, bringing in 100,000 dependents, 354,000 student visas . this is half a student visas. this is half a million getting in, paying over the odds, and at the same time forcing british students out. people from your constituency . people from your constituency. i'm a coal miner, so the first lad in my family, whoever gets to university, i can't afford that. now i'm being priced out by students the working that. now i'm being priced out by is students the working that. now i'm being priced out by is are tudents the working that. now i'm being priced out by is are trapped. the working class is are trapped. >> i'm a coal miners >> i'm from a coal miners background well . sadly, background as well. sadly, i never to university, but never got to university, but we're in university of we're all in the university of life the reality is life now, and the reality is that you're right in what you're saying trying get these saying about trying to get these numbers seeing that numbers down. people seeing that there's an issue and there . is

there's an issue and there. is an issue, but it's a europe wide issue. you know, if you're talking some of the figures i'm seeing are anything from, you know, 2 million down to 45,000 across every country has across europe. every country has got region of 450,000. got in the region of 450,000. and mine action figures, illegal migration figures coming through because of the wars. and this has taken into has to be taken into consideration . consideration. >> listen, chris, do you think you'll ever be proud of brexit? >> yes , because. >> yes, because. >> yes, because. >> are you proud now? yes yes, i think you are proud of it. i think you are proud of it. i think brexit is working for us, albeit very slowly. >> don't forget chris, when you when we brexit if you want to call it that brexit you know when we did that it was always going to take some time to completely detach ourselves from europe and in some ways we're actually working with the europeans especially when europeans again, especially when my space hat on, as you know aboutin my space hat on, as you know about in parliament, uk about in parliament, i'm the uk space adviser to the government . space adviser to the government. we're starting to work quite , we're starting to work quite, you know, hand in glove with the europeans again on that front.

and that's quite welcome because it's that's what's it's security and that's what's dnven it's security and that's what's driven think the driven that. so i think the grown ups in the room are starting to realise now that yes, know, we've a big yes, you know, we've got a big trading our doorstep. trading market on our doorstep. we eye to eye with we didn't see eye to eye with the political differences. and that's should proud. that's where we should be proud. we ourselves from it, we detached ourselves from it, but where we take this from but it's where we take this from here has delayed purely here and it has delayed purely simply of covid wars. >> okay, david, from outer >> okay, david, um, from outer space to underwater fishing . space to underwater fishing. fishing a hugely totemic fishing was a hugely totemic morecambe, you know, coastal town, huge. and that is up for renegotiation. again, many people feel that we should have taken all of our fish, all of our stock back. that didn't happen. there was a capitulation. some may say there's quotas still going to there's quotas still going to the eu if keir starmer gets into power , these are up for grabs power, these are up for grabs again then. and does this beg the question have the conservatives left the cat flap open to brussels on the brexit that you got through ? we're that you got through? we're seeing on northern ireland at the moment . seeing on northern ireland at the moment. there's seeing on northern ireland at the moment . there's talk of seeing on northern ireland at the moment. there's talk of sinn fein are going to be taking over

stormont. there's a talk about reunification of ireland that would pull northern ireland into the european union. has has brexit that you guys got done just left all of these opportunities for starmer to row closer to brussels as starmer does want to go closer to brussels. >> he's actually stated that i believe in previous interviews, starmer his his idea on um, immigration looks remarkably like what it used to be. you know, open borders as the conservatives are the only party that's going to stop that. and we are trying to do that. it's not easy. that's acknowledged, but we are taking fervent steps to this. so you know, this to do this. so you know, this the choice is quite clear. if you vote labour, you will get more immigration. it'sjust a more immigration. it's just a fact. and if you vote labour you also get higher bills and going on about fisheries. you're right in what you're saying. but don't forget it's now in the better part of 40 years since the licenses were sold to off the eu

to figuratively the spanish fishermen. as i always hear. but it's going to take us at least a generation to get the boats, the boats to do the fishing back and built and built and crewed the skills base. that is the big problem. >> yeah. quickly well, very briefly, i mean, do you worry that your party is a bit one track or maybe on brexit and taxes? because, justin, this seat earlier we heard from louise hague, the shadow transport secretary she says they're going to unveil plans labour party to nationalise the railways in 2 or 3 weeks time. and that would be their policy going into the election. that is something the idea of change making better. people making it better. many people don't railways don't believe the railways work for it's idea, for them. it's a it's an idea, isn't it? >> i'll be honest with you. the railways are in a state and everybody acknowledges that. but the in the state the reason they're in the state is activity. and is through union activity. and what hague is saying is what louise hague is saying is basically straight forward. you know, we'll renationalise the rail system and we'll help our friends in the unions to profiteer from that. you know, same old labour as we've always

seen all right. just like the energy industry, the one that renationalising. what is it? the great british energy company, they call it. it's nationalisation. and i'll tell you now constituency, you now in my constituency, which is predominantly energy based, the wages will go down under nationalised companies. so you know, bring on the election. i say, because i don't think starmer is doing as well as he thinks he is. and more to the point he ain't certainly doing that in my constituency. >> okay. >> em- e that note, um, david >> well, on that note, um, david morris, morecambe lunesdale, morris, morecambe and lunesdale, thank the thank you very much. and by the way, happy brexit day. do we have to move on? come have to move on? please come back. be welcome. now back. you always be welcome. now you more that news you can get more on that gb news exclusive about those eu directives that escaped directives that we've escaped from now. directives that we've escaped from old now. directives that we've escaped from old school now. directives that we've escaped from old school gbnews.com directives that we've escaped fronyou school gb news.com directives that we've escaped fronyou helped gbnews.com directives that we've escaped fronyou helped to gbnews.com directives that we've escaped fronyou helped to gb itews.com directives that we've escaped fronyou helped to gb it the :om and you helped to make it the fastest growing national news website in the country. thank website in the country. so thank you and what you very much. and now what would an extra would you do with an extra £1,500 month for a whole £1,500 each month for a whole year? well, you could win that in our great british giveaway is 18 grand in cool hog . cash is up 18 grand in cool hog. cash is up for grabs. and here's how you could make that yours. >> this is your chance to win

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leaders. they do that in britain too. that's to according a billionaire donors, a harvard who's now stopped the cash . i'm who's now stopped the cash. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel .

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gb news. now, later this hour i'm going to talk about the trans gender person. it's a bloke who's made history in women's football. now elite us colleges are producing whiny snowflakes instead of future leaders. that's according to a major harvard donor who has decided to stop providing financial support to the university . ken griffin, the ceo university. ken griffin, the ceo and founder of hedge fund citadel , donated $300 and founder of hedge fund citadel, donated $300 million to harvard last year. he's the latest in a string of wealthy donors who have backed out from providing donations due to anger over the university's handling of anti—semitism. on campus. after the october 7 terrorist attacks by hamas . well, joining attacks by hamas. well, joining me now to discuss this is the director of the common sense society, emma webb. emma always a pleasure. at last, they're voting with their wallets. they're choking off the funding to these snowflake factories. and about time, too . and about time, too. >> i hope he really sticks to

his guns on this, because a few people have pointed out that the resignation of claudia gay isn't going to be enough to solve the problems in harvard, but also universities more broadly. it wasn't just her, but also, um, the, the presidents of a number of other very prestigious , uh, of other very prestigious, uh, american universities who, when questioned about it, uh, in relation to the october seventh massacre and then the response of students on campus who were calling for the genocide of jews when they were asked, do did that, did that calling for the genocide of jews violate their bullying and harassment policies ? and they couldn't give a straight answer ? um, and straight answer? um, and claudine gay was one of those, and she's now resigned and she's embroiled also in this plagiarism scandal. um, and as ayaan hirsi ali, um, the great dissident , ayaan hirsi ali, um, the great dissident, um, has put it, i think this is a brilliant way of referring to it. she referred to

them as a mediocrity mafia and if you were giving £300 million. not that i'm sure the you or i, martin, have three, £300 million to donate to anywhere . um, but to donate to anywhere. um, but if you were putting £300 million into an institution in an educational institution, you would want them to educate the students. you wouldn't want them , um, to be essentially churning out, uh, either ideologues or i think the concern is also to do with the plagiarism that your students wouldn't be allowed to get away with the plagiarism that she's been accused of. um, so this is a really serious problem, not just to do with anti—semitism. >> i'm afraid i have to interrupt you. sadly, i'm afraid we have to cross to northern ireland dup ireland now. where the dup leader, donaldson , leader, sir jeffrey donaldson, and northern ireland and the northern ireland secretary, chris heaton—harris, secretary, chris heaton— harris, are news secretary, chris heaton—harris, are news conference are holding a news conference about power sharing . you know, about power sharing. you know, within the united kingdom, underpinned by democratically accountable and locally elected leaders , is the surest way to

leaders, is the surest way to safeguard this precious union and i look forward to continuing to work with with those who support our union to continue to advance this cause . on monday advance this cause. on monday night, sir jeffrey set out advance this cause. on monday night, sirjeffrey set out his night, sir jeffrey set out his party's willingness to restore the assembly and executive, depending on the government's delivery of on our commitments, the government will deliver on this and do so quickly . tomorrow this and do so quickly. tomorrow in the house of commons, we will introduce two core pieces of legislation within this deal that legislation will affirm northern ireland's constitutional status, and it will future proof northern ireland's position within the uk internal market against any protocol that would create a new eu law alignment for northern ireland. >> the legislation would also strengthen the uk internal market by guaranteeing, in law unfettered access for northern ireland goods to the whole of the uk internal market. the deal we have reached will ensure that internal trade within the united kingdom takes place under a new

uk internal market system . uk internal market system. >> we will set up a new uk east west council to bring businesses and ministers together to identify the opportunities that unite us across all parts of the united kingdom, and we will establish a new public body into trade uk to promote and facilitate trade within the united kingdom. recognising that while international trade is important , so while international trade is important, so too is the vital trade that occurs within our internal market. >> the financial package offered to the parties in december will also be available to. >> okay, so that's a press conference about power sharing instalment . and between now and instalment. and between now and 6:00 will debate that. are we risking a . break up of the risking a. break up of the united kingdom in ireland now because sinn fein says a united ireland is within touching distance after the dup returned to power sharing in northern ireland, saw, there , ireland, as we just saw, there, and that many was signal and that for many was signal a huge brexit betrayal . but first, huge brexit betrayal. but first, your latest news headlines with polly middlehurst .

polly middlehurst. >> the top story this hour there'll be no routine checks on goods traded between the uk mainland and northern ireland after the government published details of its deal with the democratic unionist party. today, the agreement sets the stage for the return of power sharing at stormont after the dup withdrew almost two years ago and as you've just heard, there's to be a new public body, intertrade uk, to recognise the vital trade within our internal market. the new deal will also see a package of more than £3 billion to support public services in northern ireland. labour says it's going to set out plans to renationalise britain's railways next month. the party announced the news last year but speaking exclusively to gb news earlier, the shadow transport secretary said the public will find out more detail on the plans in 2 or 3 weeks time . the home secretary

3 weeks time. the home secretary has admitted that the number of asylum seekers likely to be sent to rwanda under the government's £240 million scheme could actually be quite low. answering questions at the home affairs committee this morning, questions at the home affairs committee this morning , james committee this morning, james cleverly couldn't say how many of the 33,000 asylum seekers identified as eligible would eventually be sent to rwanda . eventually be sent to rwanda. mean while gb news understands several illegal migrants have been rescued after their boat got into difficulties in the engush got into difficulties in the english channel this morning, they were trying to cross from france in poor weather conditions , four boats making conditions, four boats making that crossing, with 200 people being brought ashore to dover by border force vessels . so far border force vessels. so far this year, 1200 migrants have made the crossing roughly the same number as this time last yeah same number as this time last year. those are the headlines. more background on all those stories by heading to our website, gbnews.com, where you can also up for gb news can also sign up for gb news alerts . and if you like, you can alerts. and if you like, you can also scan the qr code on your

screen. >> thank you polly. now, as you heard before , we went to heard before, we went to stormont for that press conference. we had emma webb on the show . elites, us colleges the show. elites, us colleges are producing whiny snowflakes instead of future leaders. and that's according to a major harvard donor who has decided to stop providing financial support to the university that he actually went to. ken griffin, the ceo and founder of hedge fund citadel , the ceo and founder of hedge fund citadel, had the ceo and founder of hedge fund citadel , had donated the ceo and founder of hedge fund citadel, had donated a whopping . $300 million to whopping. $300 million to harvard last year. he's the latest in a string of wealthy donors who have backed out from providing donations due to their anger over the university's handung anger over the university's handling of anti semitism on campus. after the october the 7th attacks. and i'm rejoined now by the common sense , the now by the common sense, the director of the common sense society , emma webb. emma, thank

society, emma webb. emma, thank you for patiently waiting there as we had to flip to north ireland. we're just about to get on to pulling this back to britain. and there's a piece by allison pearson today in the telegraph. um, i get begging letters from my university , not letters from my university, not harvard. i went to manchester, but they sent me a letter every month saying, please donate. but they sent me a letter every month donate please donate. but they sent me a letter every month donate .lease donate. but they sent me a letter every month donate . lotse donate. but they sent me a letter every month donate . lots ofonate. but they sent me a letter every month donate . lots of people please donate. lots of people are being asked to donate to keep universities going in britain. a lot of people, emma, are saying, no way, because actually we have the same problem in britain . universities problem in britain. universities right here or being accused of being little more than finishing schools for pro—palestinian anti—semite whites or socialists i >>i -- >> i get those two and i wouldn't donate either. um, but i do think that people should vote with their wallets on this because money really speaks when it comes to universities , and it comes to universities, and particularly if you're if you're a large donor and you want your money to be, as i said before, and we went to that breaking news you your money news there, you want your money to on proper education to be spent on proper education when you look at someone like

claudine, gay and some people are saying this is to do with the culture wars. and when in fact, of other fact, actually lots of other people are calling it cancel, cancel culture, when in fact, as others have pointed out, this is a woman who, in comparison to her predecessors in that position , um, she hasn't position, um, she hasn't published as much in her entire career as some of them have published in one year. um, she hasn't got book to her name. hasn't got a book to her name. um, and is stands accused of having plagiarised parts of her phd thesis. and if a student behaved in that way , um, then behaved in that way, um, then they would presumably be disqualified. and now that's on top of the fact that she refused to, um, be equivocal in standing against calling for jews to be genocided on campus. um, so, you know , as i was saying, the firm know, as i was saying, the firm that has that is brilliant, that has been used by ayaan hirsi ali is the mediocrity mafia. and because this is what what this, um, donor is also saying is that this is about the quality of education. we don't want our

universities in america or in this country. in fact, it's dangerous for our universities to out ideologues. to be pumping out ideologues. they are factories for half educated mediocrities . we need educated mediocrities. we need our universities to be providing a good, solid education. why would you donate to an educational institution that isn't providing an education? why would you? >> yeah, superb . emma webb, >> yeah, superb. emma webb, director of the common sense society, thanks for joining us. and a happy brexit day to you . and a happy brexit day to you. and a happy brexit day to you. and on that point, my favourite part of the show, but especially today i'm joined by michelle today i'm joined now by michelle dewberry , of course dewbs& co dewberry, of course dewbs& co coming up six till seven right after my show here jubes i well remember i well remember well actually remember um, you and i on that fateful day at parliament square. i think we've got a picture here of us together. i'm a bit suitably refreshed. i just got back from brussels . i've been shouting my brussels. i've been shouting my lungs out for 12 hours. there we are at parliament square. on that stage , as brexit day came that stage, as brexit day came in. no doubt today on your show,

michel , in. no doubt today on your show, michel, you'll be discussing brexit for years on. >> of course, of course . and in >> of course, of course. and in true balanced uh, format. we've got uh uh an ardent brexiteer. we've got baroness jacqueline foster and of course we've got to have a remainer in there. i wonder what that remainer makes of it now. still a remainer or a collective brexiteer as we all are, and i'm fascinated as well to find out what the audience makes for all. martin. whether or not people still back that brexit do they regret it? brexit vote do they regret it? would they perhaps vote brexit now if they were previously a remainer? so i want to get into all of that. and indeed, like you, i can remember, uh, that night and as you just night as well, and as you just alluded to, there were a lot of sore i imagine very sore heads. i imagine that very next morning. mine was not among them. to say. i was very them. i have to say. i was very well that night. uh, well behaved. that night. uh, also well. there's so much also as well. there's so much more i want talk people also as well. there's so much more today. talk people also as well. there's so much more today. thislk people also as well. there's so much more today. this wholeeople about today. this whole pharmacy. thing, the pharmacy. uh, first thing, the mini revolution the mini revolution in the high streets it to health streets when it comes to health care. really? uh, is that what it over in england , lots it is? uh, over in england, lots of places have had this already. as that of an

as it made that much of an impact. i want to look at impact. so i want to look at that. bashir it was that. martin bashir was it was it all racism and jealousy? the criticism his interview with criticism of his interview with diana ? uh, of course, sturgeon diana? uh, of course, sturgeon crying , uh, diana? uh, of course, sturgeon crying, uh, saying diana? uh, of course, sturgeon crying , uh, saying that she crying, uh, saying that she wishes she wasn't that first minister i've got so much coming up. xl bullies as well. the final day to day, uh, wasn't it, to get those dogs registered? do we support that ban or not? lots to talk about. in essence . to talk about. in essence. >> always going to be superb as even >> always going to be superb as ever. michelle dewberry. and once again, a very happy brexit day to dewbs & co six till day to you. dewbs& co six till seven. right after this show. don't miss it now at the grace disgraced former bbc journalist martin bashir has you just heard there, but from jobs has claimed criticism following his interview with diana, princess of wales, was down to jealousy and of course, racism . i martin and of course, racism. i martin daubney on gb news britain's news channel .

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proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . financial report. >> welcome back. 544 you're watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news. now there's been a shock development in the long running controversy over martin bashir's interview with diana, princess of wales. bashir suggested allegations he secured the interview with diana, princess of wales, through deceit were due to him being , deceit were due to him being, quote, non—white and would not have been made if he had been a dimbleby . ludicrous. well, dimbleby. ludicrous. well, joining me now to discuss this is the royal correspondent, the legendary michael cole . michael, legendary michael cole. michael, welcome to the show. always a pleasure. the bashir scandal michael is one that captivated the nation. these latest allegations are simply stunning. talk us through it. >> i worked for the bbc for more than 20 years. >> more than a fifth of its

existence , and i never heard saw existence, and i never heard saw , witnessed, uh, any sort of racism, overt or covert. >> i went to television news. i'm quite sure that it was the same at panorama. >> it always strikes me as slightly desperate when people will pay, play the race card as it seems . mr bashir, who was it seems. mr bashir, who was seeing there in happier days, is doing here rather more to the point though, martin is the bbc cover up . cove!“ up. >> cover up. >> it spent more than £200,000 on legal measures to try and resist releasing relevant documents. it says that they are not relevant. it has been forced by a judge to release them, but many of these documents , in fact many of these documents, in fact scores of them are heavily redacted or even blank pages completely removed. now now, if i were giving pr advice to the bbc and there we see it, i would

say you've got to go the hang out route . you talk about out route. you talk about transparency , much vaunted transparency, much vaunted transparency, much vaunted transparency . transparency. >> let's see a little bit of transparency because this scandal is going to impact upon the renewal of the bbc's royal charter in 2027. >> the stink of this scandal will follow it into the halls where the people who are going to make the decisions on whether there should be a renewal of the royal charter are going to be made. so it's a very, very bad situation and i don't think it's made any easier or any clearer by allegations of racism. yeah michael, it seems a lot of people that playing the race card , so to speak, just seems card, so to speak, just seems like the final, the ultimate get out of jail card in a situation which really asks the big question if they're redacting so much information , what have they much information, what have they got to hide ? well, that is the got to hide? well, that is the point. the bbc says these documents , these emails are not

documents, these emails are not relevant. if they're not relevant, well, let them be. let them be released. they may be embarrassed. they may there may be personal things in there that people would rather not have. but this is more serious than people's feelings being hurt. it's it goes to the very heart of what the bbc is all supposed to be about. a above politics. uh neutral in these matters. and in fact , speaking the truth. now in fact, speaking the truth. now i actually know martin bashir. he before he was famous , or he before he was famous, or shall we say infamous. he used to haunt my office because he was working on another story , was working on another story, and he thought i could help him with it. and even after , uh, he with it. and even after, uh, he became famous , and when he was became famous, and when he was still being revered around the world, he was appointed, as we know , bbc's religious respondent know, bbc's religious respondent and then promoted to be bbc's religious editor. and on the 20th anniversary of diana saad's sad death of diana , princess of

sad death of diana, princess of wales in 2017, he interviewed me about those days, those terrible , sad, tragic days and he was not working for the bbc. he was working for american broadcaster king of america, abc of america, and i said to him, what are you doing here, martin? you're the bbc's royal correspondent. uh, religious correspondent. and yet you're working for, uh, the abc. so he he then emailed me afterwards, said, please don't tell my bosses. so he was not above a little bit of minor deceit on those occasions. so maybe this goes through, um , maybe this goes through, um, it's a very, very bad situation. and the other question that isn't being asked is , you know, isn't being asked is, you know, what about the editors of panorama at the time, steve hewlett, steve hewlett now dead. but there are journalism prizes in his name in his honour. he was in charge and he was telling people who were questioning what was going on at the time. he was telling them in rather rude

language to get out of it and what we should also remember, and this is very important, i'm afraid. >> i'm afraid we have we have to leave it there. michael, i have a statement . i'm legally a statement. i'm legally duty bound h. a statement. i'm legally duty bound it . i a statement. i'm legally duty bound it. i know a statement. i'm legally duty bound it . i know we bound to read it. i know we could carry on forever . thank could carry on forever. thank you much, but i have to you very much, but i have to read lengthy read this out. a lengthy statement from statement released today from the we have made the bbc said this. we have made redactions necessary, redactions where necessary, consistent with the freedom of information act , consistent with the freedom of information act, and there is nothing to support the allegations that the bbc acted in bad faith in 2020 and we maintain this suggestion is simply wrong . now, moving simply wrong. now, moving swiftly onwards , let's turn some swiftly onwards, let's turn some football now and where to start? well sutton united's new women's team manager, lucy clark has made history after becoming the first transgender manager to. that's a biological male to be appointed to a football club in the top five tiers of the women's game in england. meanwhile port vale have denied reports claiming pop star robbie williams is preparing a bid to

buy the club and also marcus rashford has been fined 650 grand for a 12 hour tequila benderin grand for a 12 hour tequila bender in belfast. lots to sink our teeth into and who better to do it with than sports broadcaster and journalist good pal of mine aidan magee aiden. good to see you joining us in the studio. let's start with the good news story. port vale robbie williams now i've got to say i wrote on this story about 20 years ago. is there any gravity in it this time? >> well , port gravity in it this time? >> well, port vale released a statement this afternoon saying that no discussions have taken place and that effectively, the stories that we saw in the last 24 hours or so were categorically untrue. >> say, though, that >> they did say, though, that they're with they're working with him. >> want some kind >> they want to have some kind of partnership going he >> they want to have some kind of patnership going he >> they want to have some kind of pat the hip going he >> they want to have some kind of pat the game ing he >> they want to have some kind of pat the game ing on he >> they want to have some kind of pat the game ing on saturday, was at the game on on saturday, one zero home defeat against portsmouth. >> and he does get involved, >> and if he does get involved, i kind of see how he how he i can kind of see how he how he predicts things can can lay out in front of him. >> so he's seen reynolds and mcelhenney go into wrexham. >> yeah, robbie williams has a head here because he a head start here because he has a strong affiliation with the

club. >> supported ell-l ell-- e!“ club. >> paid upported as a boy. club. >> paid ayported club. >> paid a testimonial as a boy. club. >> paid a testimonial match )oy. he paid a testimonial match there back in there's talk there back in 2001. there's talk that he might even go in there if he was to go in there and do like documentary and if he was to go in there and do like the documentary and if he was to go in there and do like the nameycumentary and if he was to go in there and do like the name ofmentary and if he was to go in there and do like the name of the tary and if he was to go in there and do like the name of the club. nd boost the name of the club. >> and what you'll find is that the of years the first couple of years will probably well. the first couple of years will pro it's.y well. the first couple of years will pro it's not well. the first couple of years will pro it's not that well. the first couple of years will pro it's not that well, .l. the first couple of years will pro it's not that well, it's >> it's not that well, it's tough, i would say that it's tough, but i would say that it's not impossible to into the championship. >> in the >> but when you're in the championship, you've got about 15 clubs in there. >> they should be in >> you think they should be in the premier league. they're spending a hell lot of spending a hell of a lot of money that's when you money and that's when you struggle compete. because struggle to compete. because as wealthy as someone like robbie williams is, he doesn't have the tens of millions of pounds to chuck players. wouldn't chuck on players. i wouldn't have chuck on players. i wouldn't haerah, but i guess way >> yeah, but i guess in a way it's than it it's better perhaps, than it being foreign nation. being sold to a foreign nation. there is no. there is, there is no. >> there is that. >> so there is that. >> so there is that. >> i think that the wrexham >> and i think that the wrexham example is good. but again, they were starting much lower down. robbie williams will take over if does him. old port if he does get him. old port vale at the bottom of vale though, at the bottom of league one. so there's only limited work in limited wriggle room to work in his best hope is to this his best hope is to get this club the club into that, into the championship hope sell it on. >> good. >> good. >> let's move swiftly on. trans manager lucy kellogg, biological

man. new gaffer of sutton united women's was quite >> well, it was quite interesting appointment. >> well, it was quite intel'veing appointment. >> well, it was quite intel've notappointment. >> well, it was quite intel've not heard tment. >> well, it was quite intel've not heard of ent. >> well, it was quite intel've not heard of her until >> i've not heard of her until this afternoon. i must confess, but quite low of but that's quite a low level of the women's game, actually, that's good four that's probably a good four divisions now divisions below what we know now as wsl. coached as the wsl. she has coached in essex she has some essex before, so she has some pedigree and her. pedigree and she and her. >> you've been diplomatic. >> you've been very diplomatic. this is the bloke. >> no but she's >> uh, well no but she's actually gone undergone the transformation. so it's you know, you have to consider it a bit to be a woman. i think we have to be fair. and also the other thing, martin, is that she's going to be judged by results irrespective whether results irrespective of whether she's female. and she's a male or female. and that's works. that's just how the game works. and think, is a biological and i think, is it a biological man woman's job? uh, at man taking a woman's job? uh, at the no, i'd say no the moment, no, i'd say no because she's been she's transitioned . so, uh, so, so no. transitioned. so, uh, so, so no. and say , it's all about and as i say, it's all about results. doesn't get results. if she doesn't get results. if she doesn't get results , she'll be out on the results, she'll be out on the road, any bloke would road, just like any bloke would all right. >> fine. now, swiftly, we've got all right. >.quick. now, swiftly, we've got all right. >.quick minute ;wiftly, we've got all right. >.quick minute on tly, we've got all right. >.quick minute on this. /e've got all right. >.quick minute on this. don'tjot a quick minute on this. don't judge marcus rashford, the daily mirror saying today because he went bender. yet went on this huge bender. yet they were very swift to judge gazza grealish and paul gazza and grealish and paul mcgrath martin right.

mcgrath and martin right. >> yeah. exactly i mean look he did something very stupid . i did something very stupid. i mean to go out two nights in a row in belfast. i mean that's a flight away. it's not even like you're out in alderley you're going out in alderley edge or somewhere just down the road. this is a player who, at the age of 26, i think, has had his time at man united. he's scored four goals this season. he's saleable he's a very saleable asset elsewhere, i think just he's a very saleable asset elsewiare, i think just he's a very saleable asset elsewiare, he's1k just he's a very saleable asset elsewiare, he's not just needs a move. he's not responding to the manager, even though he had good last though he had a good season last year and i tell you something else been brought else that's been brought to my attention, his england place for this euros to be this summer's euros has to be called question. now. called into question. now. he's not have form. he not he doesn't have the form. he doesn't look like has the not he doesn't have the form. he doesninlook like has the not he doesn't have the form. he doesnin termske has the not he doesn't have the form. he doesnin terms of has the not he doesn't have the form. he doesnin terms of whether,ie not he doesn't have the form. he doesnin terms of whether, you focus in terms of whether, you know, a matter the know, it's a matter off the pitch. well, no point pitch. well, there's no point speculating on that unless we actually know something. >> i would um, >> yeah, well, i would say, um, he's pass. saint he's getting a free pass. saint rashford, the lineker of rashford, he's the lineker of football in terms of on the pitch. that's my thoughts . pitch. that's my thoughts. there's been a fantastic show. thank aidan magee for thank you for aidan magee for popping thank you for aidan magee for popping brexit i've popping in happy brexit day i've had fantastic time . i'll be had a fantastic time. i'll be back 3:00 tomorrow this back 3:00 tomorrow after this michelle 6 or 7 dewbs & michelle dewberry 6 or 7 dewbs& co have a fantastic evening .

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