me ask you also, should it ever be the case that you can receive more money being on benefits than you could if you worked, surely doing so would be sign surely doing so would be a sign of a welfare system, of a broken welfare system, wouldn't and the more of us, wouldn't it.7 and the more of us, let's face it, we're more likely to back ten minutes david to back ten minutes with david beckham than we are with own beckham than we are with our own gp. so is a good idea, gp. so is it a good idea, then, that pharmacies first that pharmacies become the first line of defence when it comes to us medical ills? and us solving our medical ills? and today last opportunity today was the last opportunity for bully owners register for xl bully owners to register their dogs or risk losing them and with a fine. and being slapped with a fine. do you back the ban? is it harsh enough not? and the enough or not? and the journalist martin bashir has blamed professional jealousy and racism for the criticism surrounding his interview of princess diana. what do you make to that . yes, indeed. we've got to that. yes, indeed. we've got all of that to come and more. but before we get stuck into those debates, let's cross live to polly middlehurst for tonight's latest news headlines .

tonight's latest news headlines. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. well, the top story from the jp newsroom tonight is that there'll be no routine checks on goods traded between the uk , mainland and between the uk, mainland and northern after the northern ireland after the government published details of its with democratic its deal with the democratic unionist party today. the agreement sets the stage for the return of power sharing at stormont after the dup withdrew almost two years ago. the new deal will also see a package of more than £3 billion to support pubuc more than £3 billion to support public services in northern ireland, and it's expected to be debated in parliament tomorrow, with the northern ireland secretary, chris heaton—harris, secretary, chris heaton— harris, saying secretary, chris heaton—harris, saying it will bring the uk together . together. >> it is time to build on the progress of the last 25 years. today we have presented a plan which will deliver the long terme change that northern ireland needs . it will ireland needs. it will strengthen northern ireland's place in our union and guarantee the free flow of goods across the free flow of goods across the entire united kingdom. and it's only by sticking to this

plan that we will become a more unhed plan that we will become a more united and prosperous country together , our labour has said it together, our labour has said it will set out its plans to renationalise britain's railway next month. >> the party announced the news last year, but speaking exclusively to gb news earlier , exclusively to gb news earlier, the shadow transport secretary . the shadow transport secretary. said the public will find out more detail on the plans in 2 or 3 weeks time. >> we've got a plan to fix the railways as a whole, which includes which involves bringing operators into public ownership, but actually but that will actually bring significant our significant savings. our railways wasteful railways are really wasteful at the they're so the moment because they're so fractured, and i'll be setting out actually just or out plans actually in just 2 or 3 that will 3 weeks time. that will demonstrate how we'll save money and how money be and how that money could be reinvested the railways to and how that money could be reinvethose the railways to and how that money could be reinvethose operatorsilways to and how that money could be reinvethose operators into s to bring those operators into pubuc bring those operators into public ownership. and bring all of absolutely. within the of them absolutely. within the first labour first terms of a labour government, secretary government, the home secretary conceded today, the number of asylum seekers likely to be sent to rwanda under the government's

£240 million scheme could actually be quite low. >> answering . questions at the >> answering. questions at the home affairs select committee this morning, james cleverly admitted he couldn't say how many of the 33,000 asylum seekers as eligible seekers identified as eligible would eventually be sent to rwanda. the government's attempting to pass legislation deeming rwanda a safe country. the bill is currently making its way through the house of lords. meanwhile, gb news understands . meanwhile, gb news understands. several illegal migrants have been rescued after their boat got into difficulties in the engush got into difficulties in the english channel this morning. they to cross from they were trying to cross from france poor weather france in poor weather conditions and we understand four boats were trying to make the crossing with 200 people on board. they were brought ashore to dover by border force vessels. so far this year, around 1200 migrants have made the crossing . that's roughly the the crossing. that's roughly the same number as this time last year. same number as this time last year . nicola sturgeon said year. nicola sturgeon said today. her biggest regret during the pandemic was not locking down sooner. the former first

minister gave evidence at the covid inquiry and she also admitted deleting whatsapp messages . admitted deleting whatsapp messages. but admitted deleting whatsapp messages . but she admitted deleting whatsapp messages. but she insisted admitted deleting whatsapp messages . but she insisted she messages. but she insisted she acted in line with scottish government policy. ms sturgeon appeared emotional at times as she recounted that part of her wished she hadn't been first minister when the pandemic took hold . the man, shot dead by hold. the man, shot dead by police in london yesterday after breaking into a home armed with a crossbow , was a convicted a crossbow, was a convicted stalker . bryce a crossbow, was a convicted stalker. bryce hodgson had been convicted of stalking, including entering a woman's bedroom without consent. the 30 year old was also under a five year restraining order that banned him from entering the street, where he was threatening people . where he was threatening people. the government's . refused to the government's. refused to rule out relying on imported steel after the planned closure of blast furnaces at port talbot in wales. executives from tata steel were being questioned by mps in westminster today about the plans, which puts nearly

3000 jobs at risk. the company says it's moving to the more environmental friendly production of steel , which production of steel, which requires fewer staff . but it's requires fewer staff. but it's infuriated steel workers , many infuriated steel workers, many of whom staged protests outside parliament this morning warning of the impact on the lives of local community members and the wider welsh economy . and lastly, wider welsh economy. and lastly, the queen was greeted by members of the public wishing the king a speedy recovery today as she visited a hospital in london. queen camilla was visiting the charity maggie's, which supports cancer patients in 24 centres across the uk . her majesty was across the uk. her majesty was at the royal free . and has been at the royal free. and has been president of the charity since . president of the charity since. 2008, and it's her first visit to one of the centres since she became queen. those are the latest news stories . full latest news stories. full background on all of by background on all of them by heading to our website, gb news.com, where you can also sign alerts. sign up for free gb news alerts. just scan qr code on your

just scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. >> thanks for that , polly. well, >> thanks for that, polly. well, i'm michelle dewberry and i'm with you till 7:00 tonight. alongside me is my panel of conservative peer in the house of lords, jacqueline foster, and the former labour party adviser matt laser . the former labour party adviser matt laser. hello to the former labour party adviser matt laser . hello to both of the former labour party adviser matt laser. hello to both of you guys. matt laser. hello to both of you guys . as i saw in the headlines guys. as i saw in the headlines there as well. polly middlehurst, she was referencing nicole sturgeon at the covid inquiry, which you're watching . inquiry, which you're watching. did you see it? >> the pandemic struck . there's >> the pandemic struck. there's a large part of me wishes i hadnt a large part of me wishes i hadn't been home, but i was, and i wanted to be the best first minister i could be during that period. it is for others to judge the extent to which i succeeded . succeeded. >> and yes, she was almost in tears. >> is how it's been described. when she was asked, do you ever wish that you weren't the first minister? i've got to say , minister? i've got to say, looking at my inbox, because i mentioned that i might reference

this. lots of you have been in touch saying that i wish that she wasn't the first minister was shared by many of you. i can tell you that matthew laza what did to that? did you make to that? >> so, i mean, i think you know, she was clearly very emotional there. um, quite hard there. um, but it's quite hard if if you wish you if you don't if you wish you weren't you didn't have to be. you have to first you didn't have to be first minister. didn't to go minister. you didn't have to go for top job. if you're going for the top job. if you're going to the top job in to go for the top job in politics, you need to want it and you need to be prepared to be held to account for it, which i think she's worried the covid inquiry to do. i think she's worried the covid inq um, to do. i think she's worried the covid inq um, what to do. i think she's worried the covid inq um, what do to do. i think she's worried the covid inq um, what do you». i think she's worried the covid inq um, what do you make, sir? jacqueline >> well, she deleted all the whatsapp messages. well, i'm whatsapp messages. well, so i'm not she was not surprised. she was feeling a bit i think having bit tearful. um, i think having sort um, derided everything sort of, um, derided everything that our government did during covid. so um, you know, there's that our government did during c0\inquiry.im, you know, there's that our government did during c0\inquiry. im needs now, there's that our government did during c0\inquiry. im needs tow, there's that our government did during c0\inquiry. im needs to be :here's an inquiry. it needs to be sorted out. >> and i, i'm afraid >> yeah. and i, i'm afraid i don't have much sympathy as as has been said, nobody makes has just been said, nobody makes you into politics. has just been said, nobody makes you nobody politics. has just been said, nobody makes you nobody makess. has just been said, nobody makes you nobody makes you, you know, >> nobody makes you, you know, become. yeah. minister or whatever this whole whatever it is. this whole whatsapp thing, i've got to say, this is for me where the covid

inquiry is really falling its inquiry is really falling on its backside it's backside because it's not focusing on right things. focusing on the right things. >> ask me, it's not about >> if you ask me, it's not about what whatsapped who, who what who whatsapped who, who kept , whatsapp? who kept which, uh, whatsapp? who could , uh, what's the word when could, uh, what's the word when she was saying that they weren't retained or whatever it was and then actually, yeah, there was probably . uh, funny probably deleted. uh, funny how though lose certain though some people lose certain whatsapp messages then seem though some people lose certain wimiraculously ages then seem though some people lose certain wimiraculously be�*s then seem though some people lose certain wimiraculously be able then seem to miraculously be able to access other when it suits access other ones when it suits them be able to provide them them to be able to provide them to previously to other inquiries. previously uh, are perhaps uh, when things are perhaps a different subject, isn't it? but anyway . anyway. >> the judge demanded that >> but the judge demanded that bofis >> but the judge demanded that boris , everybody else, boris johnson, everybody else, made they had the whatsapp made sure they had the whatsapp messages . messages. >> and now there's just all politicians have moved to signal or one other ones that autodie elite. >> i just, elite. >> ijust, i mm- >> i just, i just feel this whole covid inquiry. >> you're right because it's >> but you're right because it's lost. lost focus. yeah. lost. it's lost its focus. yeah. people know what people want to know what happened can do next happened and what can we do next time. countries have taken time. most countries have taken about max to decide about a year at max to decide what they would have done better , and the steps that the day had taken. this is like taken. the future. this is like a goodness knows what it's going to go on for years.

>> yeah, and i've got to say, i'm not really interested in who fell and who called fell out with who and who called who, and who who, which name and who struggled which bit of struggled with which bit of pressure at what point in time, and who creating these fake and who was creating these fake decision here, there decision groups here, there and everywhere. decision groups here, there and ev

want to speak about um, martin bashir. did you see that story? apparently it was racism and jealousy that led to the criticism of his diana interview. what do you make to that? we'll come on to that before the end of the programme, but for now, it's a big day today. everybody, you know why? um, actually, it's one of my regular viewers um, actually, it's one of my regularviewers birthdays. regular viewers at birthdays. i must i'll find your must remember. i'll find your name and i'll give you a shout out before the end of the program, promise. that's program, i promise. but that's not referring to. not what i was referring to. i was referring to the fact that today four years, uh, to the today is four years, uh, to the day since we left european day since we left the european union. interested. i'm union. um, i'm interested. i'm showing screen. this was showing on the screen. this was kind a celebration, uh, kind of like a celebration, uh, type around parliament type event around parliament square. i was there, i was actually on the stage for a small part of that. i got to tell you, people were absolutely elated. you can see, uh, how far and wide, uh, that kind of gathering was . i'm sure certain gathering was. i'm sure certain news programs on news channels would say there was about 100 people there, or whatever it is. they described crowd sizes they described these crowd sizes when it suits them. uh, but

anyway, were happy. anyway, people were very happy. but forward now. four but fast forward to now. four years jacqueline and do you years on. jacqueline and do you think brexit has been think that brexit has been a success or not? >> well, i think it's too simplistic something. simplistic to say something. being um brexit was unsuccessful. um brexit was always going to be a long haul. i mean, i was of those i mean, i was one of those people that supported it. i was also one those people who also one of those people who spent years in brussels, 15 spent 20 years in brussels, 15 of in the european of those in the european parliament responsible for making , uh, a parliament responsible for making, uh, a lot of that legislation . i mean, there are, legislation. i mean, there are, you know, 58,000, um, acts of acts of parliament that came through that having to be looked at, um , but no, it was never at, um, but no, it was never going to be a quick process. i think, sadly, what did stall it, unfortunately, in terms of trying to get things sorted out to a degree, was covid. and then obviously that's been exacerbated with, uh, ukraine. but if you look at the trade and cooperation agreement that was done four years ago and, um, there have been hold ups , there there have been hold ups, there have been hold ups for our traders , for example, getting traders, for example, getting stuff into the eu which need not have happened . um, i think the

have happened. um, i think the relationship or the reality now certainly when i speak to colleagues who are still in the european parliament and the commission a lot of commission, there was a lot of hostile hostility there towards us. um has improved and there's a reality check, uh, you know, we're all working together. we still have 40% of our trade with the eu, 30, about 38% across all of europe . so it's a hugely of europe. so it's a hugely important market. and, um, you know , uh, it is extremely know, uh, it is extremely important to us. and we do recognise that, uh, you are or you were , i mean, i was, i was you were, i mean, i was, i was on i remember that night because to be fair, it was a big crowd. >> but i went to a, uh, to a metropolitan elite wake for the leaving the eu and then went on, um, uh, to a club night, which was, you know , commiserating was, you know, commiserating the, the, the, the leaving of the, the, the, the leaving of the eu. i mean, look over it now. yeah. i mean , i certainly now. yeah. i mean, i certainly don't think we're going to rejoin. i'm not one of those romaniacs who, you know, i don't stand with a, stand outside parliament with a, with a, with an eu flag. with a, with a, with an eu flag. but i do think that it's been a

disaster for the country. and i think it's particularly been a disaster because things that disaster because the things that we that were the we were promised that were the benefits remain, taking benefits of remain, like taking back borders, back control of our borders, have exactly the have we've had exactly the reverse we were reverse of what we were promised? so we've seen immigration go up, not down. we've now their lost we've seen now their lost opportunities that the government to take. government has failed to take. and that's what really disappoints me. and i find actually, when talk to people actually, when i talk to people that it's not just people like me who were campaigning for remain day the remain on on the day of the referendum, which in referendum, which is etched in my memory. but people who were passionate feel passionate leavers, who feel that were promised that what we were promised hasn't i hasn't been delivered. so i don't it's been don't think that it's been a success. >> but there are two different things, though, aren't they? so someone voting for the sovereignty rights sovereignty and for the rights for government to determine for our government to determine our policy. that is our immigration policy. that is one government's one thing. the government's ability or will or whatever they do with that sovereignty when it comes to determining that immigration policy is a separate thing. >> yeah, that is that is true. and obviously, you say we and obviously, you could say we could government out could shut the government out now sovereignty now that we have sovereignty back. such huge back. but we've lost such huge things. one of the impacts things. one of the big impacts on been on the

on our economy has been on the labour that we've had. labour shortage that we've had. and one of the great things about in the that about being in the eu was that freedom of movement meant that, yes, to some yes, people came to work, some people but millions of people stayed, but millions of people stayed, but millions of people came short periods people came for short periods and went back home. and we've seen seen that seen that loss. we've seen that lost and instead lost opportunity, and instead we've a year. but we've seen 800,000 a year. but net migration. >> but need intervene >> yeah, but need to intervene here even we'd have here because even if we'd have still been the union still been in the european union and illegal immigration, agree and illegal immigration, i agree with who's watching with everybody who's watching this. with this. we're all up to here with the whole thing, frankly. um, it wouldn't have been any different at all how legal migration in addition, um, in terms of, you know, we registered about five, uh, eu five, about 5 million eu citizens were registered. we did it very quickly for them. we made sure people were staying here. so in terms of the job market and then who are you looking for to fill your vacancies? um you know, i don't think that that was directly related to brexit. there were other things that came in like covid where we there was a restriction on travel and covid complicated . sure. i think we complicated. sure. i think we just need to be grown up about

this because you know, this because we have you know, massive with the rest this because we have you know, m'thefe with the rest this because we have you know, m'the world. with the rest this because we have you know, m'the world. we with the rest this because we have you know, m'the world. we have the rest this because we have you know, m'the world. we have are rest this because we have you know, m'the world. we have a high;t of the world. we have a high amount of immigration where people come from third countries. only to look countries. we only have to look at public services like at our own public services like the nhs. um, so i think it just needs to be kept into context. i'd to see reductions in i'd like to see reductions in red like to see things red tape. i'd like to see things much smoother running much smoother, and, and, i think smoother, and, and, and i think that everybody needs to have a grown conversation in our grown up conversation in our relationship isn't terrible with eu europe . are we have a eu or europe. are we have a relationship, but what i am saying is if we'd still been in the eu, the issues and challenges that we all have on fuel prices, on illegal immigration, they are as bad or worse when you go and speak to somebody in italy on illegal migration. >> yeah, we've now got the highest legal situations that they have and we're all having to deal with this. >> i would like to see the left or the labour party and others in this country, and certainly in this country, and certainly in parliament, have tried to in parliament, who have tried to stop every piece of practically every legislation. we every piece of legislation. we have trying to put through have been trying to put through to stop illegal immigration.

to stop the illegal immigration. ian. well, we differ on the plan because get because i actually get a labour's got its own reality, a reality check, we have reality check, because we have thousands thousands. we've thousands and thousands. we've had a thousand in january of young and young men predominantly, and this january three this is just january three who've come in illegally. >> i think we both >> absolutely. i think we both want to end it. >> papers. they have no papers. we a security issue. we have a security issue. >> he's not on a boat. and >> but he's not on a boat. and we have i'm about about legal migration is higher than it's we have i'm about about legal migr been. s higher than it's ever been. >> and that's disagree. >> and that's that's disagree. and has the and the government has the government on government has its hands on those levers. >> is why they're also >> and this is why they're also tackling dependence when tackling now the dependence when on off the horses on from the off the horses bolted, which in view are the bolted, which in my view are the numbers i don't disagree on numbers of i don't disagree on that because it was absolutely ridiculous. even ridiculous. i didn't even realise that if you were a student, to student, why would you need to bfing student, why would you need to bring dependents? you go and bring all dependents? you go and do course then you go do your course and then you go home. go back? >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> so a job and then that's a different the different arrangement with the business. different arrangement with the busyeah. different arrangement with the busyeah i think, i think on the, >> yeah i think, i think on the, on so—called brexit dividend on the so—called brexit dividend now we've seen i mean it may be the right thing to do to get settlement northern ireland, settlement in northern ireland, but going but effectively we're going to be adopting laws across, be adopting all eu laws across, across so actually

across most sectors. so actually l, across most sectors. so actually i, seems it's been i, it seems that it's been a very expensive, very pointless exercise. >> don't forget, there's a lot of eu laws that are in place that need to change. that we will not need to change. i i mean, specialised in i was i mean, i specialised in the aviation and aerospace markets, maritime, these are international. >> absolutely you're >> absolutely a mess. but you're at end. we were at the sensible end. we were told other people that it was told by other people that it was going a bonfire of these going to be a bonfire of these eu laws. >> no, of eu laws. >> no, eu laws. >>no, >> no, lots of people, lots of people sensible. actually people are sensible. actually but there are. transcends but there are. it transcends so many areas and but there are areas need to tweak that areas that we need to tweak that we need to change. and i accept that. you kemi that. but, you know, you kemi badenoch did very badenoch actually did a very good at the weekend. good interview at the weekend. and there is and as she said, there is legislation place, of course, legislation in place, of course, we're not going to change it. >> but some of the >> yeah, but some of the brexiteers angry because >> yeah, but some of the brexithink angry because >> yeah, but some of the brexithink they ngry because >> yeah, but some of the brexithink they haven't:ause >> yeah, but some of the brexithink they haven't had; they think they haven't had their regulations. on their bonfire of regulations. on one not sure one side, they're not sure anybody to, depends anybody you talk to, it depends who you talk to. >> uh, actual fact. but we >> uh, in actual fact. but we need be optimistic. need to be optimistic. >> we're making your time moving forward. >> yeah, well, i wonder what you make to at home. uh, do you make to it at home. uh, do you sit there and think it was a great it all worth great idea for. was it all worth it? price was too high for it? what price was too high for you pay? uh, mandy, said,

you to pay? uh, mandy, she said, um, you say hello to us and um, can you say hello to us and hello to pete. they voted brexit. they've retired now to greece. said voted greece. she said we voted brexit. though knew brexit. even though she knew that guys personally, that for those guys personally, it might have easier for it might have been easier for them vote to remain because them to vote to remain because it have made life it might have made their life better. but she says she doesn't regret it at all. um answers. i've got no regrets about leaving eu. just a pity leaving the eu. it's just a pity that the government didn't make the rob says brexit the most of it. rob says brexit is a good thing, it would is a good thing, but it would have been better if we had a decent government. pete , decent government. uh, pete, you're an optimistic chap, pete . you're an optimistic chap, pete. i like i love a bit of what you're drinking tonight. you say brexit was the best thing to happen to this country since we, uh, out of world war two. uh, came out of world war two. uh, got to say, this uh, i've got to say, this sentiment , uh, i've got to say, this sentiment, um, is coming through thick and fast. um, which is all about you think that brexit as a principle was the right idea and the thing that you voted for? but i really am getting a sense that people are frustrated with the way it's been implemented, or some would argue, perhaps not by the current government. get

in touch gb views at gb news. com is how you get hold of me. i'm fascinated on your thoughts on that. also, after the break, i want to talk to you about benefits bits and whether or not we're too generous . leslie has we're too generous. leslie has said, i'm furious at gb news. i've got serious health conditions and you keep attacking benefits all of the time. let's just be clear what i want to talk to you about is people that can work , work, but people that can work, work, but that are on benefits. and i want to look at the amount of benefits that are being paid out. so, leslie, don't worry, i'm on i'll i'm not focusing on you. i'll see after two.

information is a crime . hello everybody. >> i'm michelle dewberry. this is dewbs & co on gp news until is dewbs& co on gp news until 7:00 tonight. we've just been pondefing 7:00 tonight. we've just been pondering brexit four years on since we actually left. and how you feel about it? i've got to

say, peter says fishing. uh, so many people , um, have overlooked many people, um, have overlooked the impact on fishing. what we were promised versus what has happened since. pete says, uh, pretty much that that is, uh, nothing short of a bit of a national scandal. nothing short of a bit of a national scandal . uh, neil says national scandal. uh, neil says we were lied to . we were told we were lied to. we were told the government and civil service would respect the vote. they absolutely did not respect it. he says the out—of—touch elite of treated the voting public with contempt. that's neil and guildford there, clive says. why why are remainers who still moan about brexit still living here? if the eu is so wonderful, about brexit still living here? if the eu is so wonderful , why if the eu is so wonderful, why don't they move that we're not allowed anymore? >> because the brexit yes you could. >> ah, who's this today? >> ah, who's this today? >> yes you are. oh i mean there you go. wouldn't you. wouldn't you go. wouldn't you. wouldn't you seek methods and ways and means to move to the eu then you love it. >> because i love my country >> no, because i love my country and very i'm very happy here and i'm very i'm very happy here and i'm very i'm very happy here and accept the result. and i do accept the result. i don't think we're going to rejoin anytime labour

rejoin anytime soon. and labour certainly pledged that we'll remain next manifesto i >> -- >> um, -_ >> um, well, dennis, she says , >> um, well, dennis, she says, not only did i vote brexit, i canvassed, i walk the streets delivering leaflets, etc. should i don't regret anything, but i'm fuming with how the government has handled it all. it's them thatis has handled it all. it's them that is to blame. i found that really interesting about how that will play out in the next election because course 2019 election because of course 2019 it centred lot, wasn't it, it was centred a lot, wasn't it, around, brexit all the around, uh, brexit and all the rest it. so i wonder fast rest of it. so i wonder fast forward to the next election, just many people will vote just how many people will vote on alone that on that basis alone that actually they feel that brexit wasn't successfully, uh, delivered . yeah. delivered. yeah. >> and don't and don't forget we had the labour party calling for a second referendum. i mean, no longer not no long, maybe no longer, but when you're talking about and trying about stalling things and trying to move forward, when to move things forward, when you've you know, major you've got, you know, major opposition party in many mps who fought nail to fought tooth and nail to actually stop it going ahead following a referendum. i mean, it was absolutely appalling, frankly. yeah >> and by the way, when you say they're not calling for a

referendum any longer, i'm not sure for i believe that there's much genuity in that, because i'm sure that right now in the here and now, desperately trying to get into the next election, i'm sure that they're not calling for one right this calling for one right at this moment but i wouldn't moment in time, but i wouldn't put past people indeed put it past people if indeed they the next election to they do win the next election to start slipping us into that direction, who sticks to direction, because who sticks to their manifesto promises? >> that would be so >> i think that would be so central that they would stick to it. think they'd be an it. i think they'd be an interesting would interesting question would be what happen five years what would happen in five years time about the election after that, we've seen that, particularly as we've seen generational sort generational change in the sort of voted to remain of people who voted to remain will be bigger in labour will be bigger in the labour party, absolutely for party, but absolutely for not the next parliament. >> time will tell. what do you make to guys, over to you make to it all guys, over to you for final on that one. for the final word on that one. now let's talk benefits, shall we? report has come we? because a report has come out that says family out now that says a family living in benefits london living in benefits on london could financially better off could be financially better off than earning £70,000 than a household earning £70,000 a year. this is about analysis that's done centre that's been done for the centre for justice, in for social justice, basically in the looking the telegraph as well. looking into , leslie, one of my into that, leslie, one of my viewers got touch at the

viewers got in touch at the start saying she's got ill health and she that health and she feels that there's a lot of benefit bashing going i to make going on, and i want to make this clear. you support, this clear. if you need support, if physically work in if you physically cannot work in this absolutely. there this country, absolutely. there should a safety help should be a safety net to help you. that literally what the you. that is literally what the welfare state is for. but when you start hearing actually people that you earn, people saying that you can earn, earn more. and use that tum earn more. and i use that tum loosely benefits, then loosely in benefits, then a household earning £70,000, someone's not quite right there, is it? >> well, it's not been right actually. it started this creep started about 30 years ago and a lot of the problem is also housing benefit, particularly when looking in places when you're looking in places like i mean, they're like london. i mean, they're paying like london. i mean, they're paying out for people in london. i'm not talking about our view . i'm not talking about our view. obviously that has that has come in here, you know, £1,000 a week in here, you know, £1,000 a week in rent . um, in here, you know, £1,000 a week in rent. um, it's just absolutely it's exorbitant . and absolutely it's exorbitant. and the whole point of the welfare system was to basically be a hand up . it system was to basically be a hand up. it was system was to basically be a hand up . it was supposed to hand up. it was supposed to protect those who were most vulnerable. it was supposed to protect those. obviously, they

had children or there were families with disabilities as. and you lost your job. and also you lost your job. you're made redundant. we need to make sure that there's something in place to make something in place to make something place make sure something in place to make sure people the next people then got the next foothold to get a job. and sadly, i'm afraid it's in my view . it's been sadly, i'm afraid it's in my view. it's been going on a long time and there's a huge amount of abuse in it, and so people like lesley and others, you know, i'd like to put up the state pension, for example , i'd state pension, for example, i'd like to give higher benefits for those who will never be able to work and are in very, very dire circumstances. but there's the amount of fraud in the system as well is absolutely enormous . so well is absolutely enormous. so i think i don't think anybody's got a real grip of this yet, including us. and i don't think , including us. and i don't think, um, you know, any incoming labour government if, whenever or if ever they come in, i'll try everything to do to stop them. i think they'll find this a bigger challenge than anybody. >> think it's certainly a huge >> i think it's certainly a huge challenge welfare system. challenge in the welfare system. but the. and you're

but one of the. and you're absolutely jacqueline. absolutely right, jacqueline. the benefit the issue with housing benefit is of the shortage of is because of the shortage of social housing people. the government the government is subsidising the private such an private rented sector to such an extent in places like extent that in places like london, very rents, london, with very high rents, the huge . so one of the the bill is huge. so one of the key things is we need to build more housing that the more social housing so that the government saving money on government is saving money on paying government is saving money on paying landlords paying out for private landlords in very high demand, in areas of very high demand, should have that social housing, because i find it fascinating that you've got a labour mp earning about just shy of 90 grand in social housing. grand a year in social housing. yeah, i mean, obviously nobody on 90 grand a year gets social housing at the know, they housing at the you know, they don't they start in social housing. a couple housing. then there are a couple of labour mps who do live in social because were social housing because they were on before they on low incomes before they became mps. and once you're in it, you stay in it. now there is a question whether should a question whether we should whether tenancies for whether sort of tenancies for life today's world still life in today's world are still appropriate. so that's the debate that think they debate that do you think they are, do you think that if you're earning and not earning nancy grundy and i'm not going make this a bashing on going to make this a bashing on a yeah. no, i think it's a level. yeah. no, i think it's not about that. >> you don't care, >> it's about if you don't care, you are quite frankly. yeah. if

you're getting grand a year you're getting 90 grand a year when average salary in this when the average salary in this country should country is like 30 odd, should you then taking a house you then be taking up a house that reserved for people that that is reserved for people that apparently can't afford to get their own? apparently can't afford to get thei own? it's think morally, >> i think it's i think morally, if was if i was the mps if i was if i was the mps concerned, i wouldn't stay in social once income social housing once my income had gone to that stage. absolutely fine. if they were in it they had need. clearly it for they had need. clearly people grand a year don't people on 90 grand a year don't have there's a strong have need. so there's a strong case they should perhaps case that they should perhaps be leaving get leaving that social housing get themselves property ladden >> if somebody's been >> listen, if somebody's been a member of parliament for 12 months or to, you know, you don't flats like that, don't stay in flats like that, you've got an issue as you've also got an issue as well. is where illegal well. this is where illegal immigration various bad immigration and various bad immigration policy comes in because there social because where there is social housing, people housing, we have people who waited lifts, on waited genuinely on lifts, on lifts, who've then had lifts, families who've then had a child or two children waiting years. then people years. then we have people appear the next appear in the uk and the next thing given flats and thing they're given flats and they're given a house. >> partly to temper that, gordon brown this policy of brown bought in this policy of local being favoured. brown bought in this policy of loc.it's being favoured. brown bought in this policy of loc.it's i being favoured. brown bought in this policy of loc.it's i being they red. brown bought in this policy of loc.it's i being they need we >> it's not i mean, they need we need private sector to make need the private sector to make sure there rented

sure there is rented accommodation. but the reality is separate london out is if you separate london out from rest country from the rest of the country because is pretty because it is pretty distinctive. going to what distinctive. going back to what michelle amount michelle said, the amount of money having earn to money you're having to earn to actually, um, be worse off actually, um, to be worse off than getting benefits, this is completely than getting benefits, this is conabsolutely. and need to >> absolutely. and we need to sort that within the sort that out within the universal system. if universal credit system. so if there there crazy there are if there are crazy things in they need to be things in it, they need to be stopped because work should pay more people who more than benefit people who are actually, working actually, you know, of working age. need to be, you know, if >> they need to be, you know, if they're able to absences. >> but i think it's important. as said, don't as lesley said, that we don't get into culture of benefit get into a culture of benefit bashing, but we get into culture of making sure that benefits are effective the effective and dealing with the with there is with the need that there is going to those who know, i going to those who we know, i agree, need we need more agree, need and we need more welfare programs we welfare to work programs we need. done need. the government hasn't done enough to work, done enough on welfare to work, done loads of them, but we know that there problems here there are endemic problems here and to with them is there are endemic problems here a|nightmare> with them is there are endemic problems here a|nightmare because th them is there are endemic problems here a|nightmare because asthem is there are endemic problems here a|nightmare because as soon is there are endemic problems here a|nightmare because as soon as a nightmare because as soon as we raise it, then you're seen as being cruel and i think can being cruel and i think you can i think we can more because being cruel and i think you can i thini

people who need support into work to be it, work need to be given it, because to sure because we need to make sure that people in the working age, if are if they're able to work, are working. got say working. yeah, i've got to say as this whole benefits as well, this whole benefits bucket is just bucket because it is just a bucket, it? bucket, isn't it? >> and people shove everything in lot of people in there. a lot of people will put that benefit in there. a lot of people will put and that benefit in there. a lot of people will put and a that benefit in there. a lot of people will put and a lot hat benefit in there. a lot of people will put and a lot of: benefit in there. a lot of people will put and a lot of peoplet in there. a lot of people will put and a lot of people go, bucket and a lot of people go, whoa tiger. pension, bucket and a lot of people go, whoa pensioniger. pension, bucket and a lot of people go, whoa pensionigenot pension, bucket and a lot of people go, whoa pensionige not aension, bucket and a lot of people go, whoa pensionigenot a benefit. state pension is not a benefit. people have chipped in and they've for thank they've paid for that. thank you very like very much. so people don't like that. be so that. but also it must be so frustrate ing if are like frustrate ing if you are like lesley who lesley or if you're someone who physically you can't work. i don't know, might be don't know, you might even be caring else full caring for someone else full time therefore can't caring for someone else full time to therefore can't caring for someone else full time to titarreda can't caring for someone else full time to titarred with can't caring for someone else full time to titarred with the|'t caring for someone else full time to titarred with the same work to be tarred with the same brush. tony. work to be tarred with the same brush. debate tony. work to be tarred with the same brush. debate so tony. work to be tarred with the same brush. debate so important as >> the debate so important as you that don't you say, so that we don't you know, should be proud know, i think we should be proud that who benefits that people who need benefits get we should work get them. but we should work with those who don't to with those who who don't need to be get them back be on benefits to get them back into yeah, get get into work. yeah, you get you get people disabled children into work. yeah, you get you get peopl> and we have got people i know, who have spent know, people who have spent their entire lives and they've never and need never had a job, and they need to targeted with welfare to be targeted with welfare to work. fit to work. they were perfectly fit to work. they were perfectly fit to work. just it's work. and it's just it's outrageous. think we agree. >> there you think, >> well, there you go. i think, you whole benefits you know, that whole benefits the welfare state that is literally could literally

literally you could literally just fill programs those just fill programs on those topics alone. everything from the pittance is carer's allowance to who is who should be getting social housing, how much should benefits be, what should be classed as a benefit? literally, we could do a programme just on that, but i'm sure you will not be backwards in coming forwards telling me your thoughts all, but your thoughts on it all, but also, you the news today also, did you see the news today in martin bashir? um, so basically of emails have basically lots of emails have been released now, lots of them redacted , uh, but a part of redacted, uh, but a part of a part of these emails was martin bashir, basically saying that lots of the kind of criticism , lots of the kind of criticism, um, and controversy, etc. surrounding his interview with princess diana was blamed by him on professional jealousy and you guessed it, racism . uh, what do guessed it, racism. uh, what do you make of that? jacqueline >> you couldn't really make it up, could you? i mean, we now come out with excuses now that he he thinks he's been penalised because of racism. i mean, it really is. it takes the biscuit . really is. it takes the biscuit. what we do know is that that

misinformation, he gave apparently and the bbc have echoed this. there was misinformation that was given out to princess diana . she did out to princess diana. she did an interview in the, you know, shortest terms and um, and she was basically fibbed to and it was basically fibbed to and it was totally unacceptable. >> well, up next is nigel farage, as you'll be aware, as 7:00, um, in a second, he'll be joining me. i will ask his opinion. uh, any moment now on martin bashir. i'm fascinated . martin bashir. i'm fascinated. uh, nigel, i think you're there. can you hear me ? can you hear me? >> thank you . yeah, well, martin >> thank you. yeah, well, martin bashir behaved terribly, and the bbc are doing their best to coverit bbc are doing their best to cover it all up. uh, but i'm going to be talking like you about the fourth anniversary of brexit. a night i remember in parliament square very well on the very same day that the home affairs select committee met. and it was really interesting that the boss, the senior civil servant of the home office, was asked, since the illegal

migration act of july last year , migration act of july last year, how many people that across the engush how many people that across the english channel have , as the english channel have, as the legislation been promised , as it legislation been promised, as it absolutely promised, been denied the asylum process ? and the the asylum process? and the answer is zero. so it all plays into, you know, are we satisfied with the brexit that we've got? and the answer is not many of us are. >> i can tell you now, i've been asking my viewers that and it won't surprise nigel, that won't surprise you, nigel, that the answer to that from so many people highlighted the answer to that from so many people is highlighted the answer to that from so many people is a highlighted the answer to that from so many people is a big, highlighted the answer to that from so many people is a big, fathlighted the answer to that from so many people is a big, fat no;hted the answer to that from so many people is a big, fat no to ed yourself is a big, fat no to that. anyway, they won't be backwards in coming forwards telling you what they think. i'm sure they'll see you at 7:00. thank you very that. thank you very much for that. uh, martin bashir then. thank you very much for that. uh, martin bashirthen. um, thank you very much for that. uh, martin bashir then. um, so what do you think? >> well, i worked from bbc current affairs in the department of martin bashir. worked if worked in, and i think, look, if he's come he's taking the biscuit to come out in 2020, once he'd been out in 2020, uh, once he'd been found bang to rights about having made up the bank statements, etc. so i think it's a bit late to be doing it. i think that he may be motivated

because he may have thought the only way to get on in the bbc was to, to take risks, to was to, was to take risks, to cut corners, because it was so posh.i cut corners, because it was so posh. i mean, i remember we stood affairs stood in bbc current affairs once abbey was on once when downton abbey was on and who would and i said, who would be upstairs would upstairs and who would be downstairs? was only downstairs? and i was the only one downstairs one who would be downstairs because posh, because they were all so posh, pubuc because they were all so posh, public so i mean, public school kids. so i mean, but not an but but that's not an excuse. but that's why that's think that's why that's what i think may of may have been his kind of feeling that if you weren't part may have been his kind of feeonei that if you weren't part may have been his kind of feeone ofiat if you weren't part may have been his kind of feeone of thef you weren't part may have been his kind of feeone of the clans, reren't part may have been his kind of feeone of the clans, rerenofpart may have been his kind of feeone of the clans, rerenof the of one of the clans, one of the one posh, uh, families one of the posh, uh, families who the then who worked in the bbc, then you wouldn't not wouldn't get on. but it's not fair that is to blame fair to say that it is to blame people. he must be responsible for his own mistake. >> i've to >> yeah, i've got to say, i found this whole racing. >> yeah, i've got to say, i fou uh,his whole racing. >> yeah, i've got to say, i fou uh, you vhole racing. >> yeah, i've got to say, i fou uh, you know, acing. >> yeah, i've got to say, i fou uh, you know, when people >> uh, you know, when people just oh, they're this just say, oh, they're doing this because, or because, uh, they're racing or because, uh, they're racing or because i'm not white or . because, uh, they're racing or because i'm not white or. i find it a little bit pathetic, actually . maybe they're actually. maybe they're criticising because you did criticising you because you did use your staff, because of use your staff, because one of the with a guy the people i work with is a guy called hassan, who was called mehdi hassan, who was a researcher me for me. called mehdi hassan, who was a res

the the bbc the staff were asked at the bbc is it wasn't diverse in terms of background , in terms like, background, in terms of like, you background and you know, class background and economic you know, class background and eccsonic you know, class background and eccso that was the thing that in. so that was the thing that bbc staff themselves should bbc staff said themselves should be so think be addressed most. so i think it's think it's a bit it's it's i think it's a bit it's a bit much for to claim it was bit much for him to claim it was all racism. >> course , the bbc, uh, >> uh, of course, the bbc, uh, have any suggestion >> uh, of course, the bbc, uh, haveit's any suggestion >> uh, of course, the bbc, uh, haveit's acted any suggestion >> uh, of course, the bbc, uh, haveit's acted in|y suggestion >> uh, of course, the bbc, uh, haveit's acted in bad ggestion >> uh, of course, the bbc, uh, haveit's acted in bad faith:ion that it's acted in bad faith was, i quote , simply wrong. was, i quote, simply wrong. there you go . uh, i want to talk there you go. uh, i want to talk to you about health care as well. after the break, pharmacies now have new powers to prescribe drugs for seven common ailments. do you know what those seven common ailments are or not? what you think are or not? what do you think to. is this a revolutionary to. this is this a revolutionary way to help take the pressures off gp? i've got to say many places have been doing this for quite now. what you quite some time now. what do you make it all? see you in two.

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in the house of lords, jacqueline foster and a former labour party advisor . matthew labour party advisor. matthew laza kevin says michelle, that young lady on your panel should swap places with rishi sunak oh oh means you . oh means you. >> that's a good idea. >> that's a good idea. >> yeah, there you go . there you >> yeah, there you go. there you go. um, what do you think ? go. um, what do you think? jacqueline foster for pm would you support that or not? anyway, from today, prescriptions for seven conditions opens . um, i seven conditions opens. um, i don't know why i'm chuckling because not funny because they're not funny conditions . there's just conditions. there's just something having to go to something about having to go to a and describe your a pharmacy and describe your ailments in front of a queue of random people . if they don't random people. if they don't have the private rooms, i don't know why. it just makes me like a bit. anyway, um, this a little bit. anyway, um, this is happening now in england. you wouldn't see the wouldn't have to go and see the doctor. you'd be to doctor. you'd be able to get, for example, like for example, things like antibiotics from that pharmacist. apparently it's going to free up 10 million gp appointments. they're there or thereabouts. um, are you a fan of this, jacqueline? i don't know why haven't it know why we haven't done it before . before. >> um, if you're on the continent and need continent and you need an antibiotic , you go and see the

antibiotic, you go and see the pharmacist . antibiotic, you go and see the pharmacist. um, they will antibiotic, you go and see the pharmacist . um, they will have pharmacist. um, they will have a good chat with you. and so they. you're not necessarily needed a prescription to get a drug from a pharmacist. and, and our pharmacies , i think, are trained pharmacies, i think, are trained very well . they know more about very well. they know more about the drugs that they actually pop over the counter than a doctor friend of mine . so they know far friend of mine. so they know far more about all of this than us. ihave more about all of this than us. i have a flu jab. normally when i have a flu jab. normally when i a flu jab, i go to the i get a flu jab, i go to the chemist just make an chemist and just make an appointment it's so, so appointment because it's so, so easy do and um, and equally, easy to do and um, and equally, they're going handing they're not going to be handing any these drugs out sort of any of these drugs out sort of willy nilly. they do the willy nilly. um, they do the pharmacists, they do have a chat. most people, they'll chat. and most people, they'll go pharmacist with an go to the pharmacist now with an ailment he or she might ailment and, and he or she might say, well, actually, you should ailment and, and he or she might say,arell, actually, you should ailment and, and he or she might say,a gp. actually, you should ailment and, and he or she might say,a gp. um,ally, you should ailment and, and he or she might say,a gp. um, ory, you should ailment and, and he or she might say,a gp. um, or they'll;hould ailment and, and he or she might say,a gp. um, or they'll sayld ailment and, and he or she might say,a gp. um, or they'll say ,i see a gp. um, or they'll say, well, actually, let's try this. we've got this over the counter. um, brings me then to um, but that brings me then to the drugs that we actually see, uh, make sure that you have a prescription for there drugs prescription for there are drugs that some of these that are, you know, that outline these, these ailments, they should not ailments, and they should not necessarily be on prescription .

necessarily be on prescription. it should be, you know, the pharmacist should be allowed to sell and by the way, it's >> yeah. and by the way, it's the pharmacist that actually determines what you determines that that's what you need be scotland need. and to be clear, scotland wales and northern ireland, they have already this. have already been doing this. so why has taken why on earth it has taken england so long to catch up is beyond me. >> with jacqui >> well, i agree with jacqui absolutely we absolutely that why haven't we done before? but also done this before? but i also think you're right, that think that you're right, that it's i think make it's i think we need to make sure our pharmacists have sure that our pharmacists have the mean, sure that our pharmacists have tihave mean, sure that our pharmacists have tihave to mean, sure that our pharmacists have tihave to say mean, sure that our pharmacists have tihave to say my mean, sure that our pharmacists have tihave to say my local mean, sure that our pharmacists have tihave to say my local pharmacy, i have to say my local pharmacy, the, the treatment room, has actually it. so actually got boxes in it. so i hope the boxes if hope they clear the boxes out if they're to prescribed they're going to be prescribed more don't more treatments, because i don't want there while want to be standing there while people know, people using, uh, you know, people using, uh, you know, people coming in for their methadone, um, which it also dishes describing dishes out, you know, describing my, think, my, my ailments. so i think, yes, to see it's a great yes, we need to see it's a great idea. pharmacists step but idea. pharmacists step up, but we that they idea. pharmacists step up, but we they, that they idea. pharmacists step up, but we they, you that they idea. pharmacists step up, but we they, you know, that they idea. pharmacists step up, but we they, you know, that at they idea. pharmacists step up, but we they, you know, that they ey that they, you know, that they introduce it introduce new ways of doing it because to be because i don't want to be standing middle of the standing in the middle of the pharmacy me pharmacy talking about me problems. some problems. there'll be some sweeteners, help enable sweeteners, uh, to help enable people gp sorry, pharmacists to do this because apparently they'll get £2,000 each. >> they'll get £15 per

consultation . plus £1,000 a consultation. plus £1,000 a month if they see a set number, a minimum number of patients as well. so i've got to say, the incentives to get the boxes out of the treatment boxes shift it out of that treatment room. i can them. they'll be having can see them. they'll be having the chuckle brothers to you for me, they'll me, to you. uh, they'll have been some time how. >> now. >> the flin- m that do the jabs. >> the ones that do the jabs. yes because they a fee , yes because they get paid a fee, uh, obviously for the covid or whatever . uh, obviously for the covid or whatever. yeah. and so uh, obviously for the covid or whatever . yeah. and so they whatever. yeah. and so they clear the boxes out. >> i mean, i get conjunctivitis. a lot needs be ridiculous a lot needs to be ridiculous that to have to go to that you used to have to go to a gp see, for 15 gp to see who. see, for 15 seconds, your say seconds, look at your eyes, say you've and you to, you've got it and send you to, you've got it and send you to, you know, send you with a prescription, sensibly prescription, totally sensibly about a decade ago or more the same pharmacist same medication the pharmacist can prescribe. it has got can prescribe. so it has got we've sensible history we've got sensible history on this, why wouldn't we've got sensible history on th happen why wouldn't we've got sensible history on th happen before, alhy wouldn't we've got sensible history on thhappen before, ihy wouldn't we've got sensible history on thhappen before, i wonder?n't it happen before, i wonder? >> i mean, i wonder, like when you the gp's workload, you look at the gp's workload, i noficed you look at the gp's workload, i noticed was noticed a story. i think it was in france about robots. in france about these robots. uh, been using these uh, they've been using these robots help people in a robots there to help people in a health i'm going health care setting. i'm going to show it to you on the screen. i i know why when i i mean, i don't know why when i see of robots that see these kind of robots that are look like humans,

are made to look like humans, there's something about them that freak me out a little bit. anyway, it's all helping , anyway, it's all about helping, um, patients, elderly, perhaps in hospitals with their form fillings and some of their testing and whatever. is that our future? well i mean, i think, i think this a long think, i think this is a long way being rolled out, think, i think this is a long wayi being rolled out, think, i think this is a long wayi think being rolled out, think, i think this is a long wayi think there's rolled out, think, i think this is a long wayi think there's certainly t, but i think there's certainly the system needs to the health care system needs to embrace more where it's appropriate. >> nhs still is >> i mean, the nhs still is still only the still the only user in the country of fax machines, which sort me hugely. so sort of depresses me hugely. so i think i yes to tech i think i think, yes to tech where it works. no to depersonalising the system. and i it'll a since i think it'll be a while since we get robots as well. we get those robots as well. >> be a those robots? >> jacqueline? >> jacqueline? >> oh, to degree, certainly >> oh, to a degree, i certainly would. course, those that would. and of course, those that need home, i mean, need help in the home, i mean, you have robot makes you know, have a robot makes sure cooks dinner, sure it cooks your dinner, makes sure it cooks your dinner, makes sure the and sure it does the washing and ironing. to make sure ironing. they need to make sure it's programmed properly. i mean, all mean, it won't literally do all of got of that. but when you've got people need bit of care, of that. but when you've got peopneed need bit of care, of that. but when you've got peopneed a need bit of care, of that. but when you've got peopneed a bit�*d bit of care, of that. but when you've got peopneed a bit of bit of care, of that. but when you've got peopneed a bit of assistance a, they need a bit of assistance and they will maybe only have a carer day or carer come in once a day or something. mean, is where something. i mean, this is where technology why don't people, why don't technology why don't people, why dori: i have to say our >> i mean, i have to say our first robot ever saw first robot hoover i ever saw was house of where gb

was at the house of where gb news who was shouting news presenter, who was shouting at not a good at it for not doing a good enough she'd remain name. >> wonder which gb news >> i wonder which gb news presenter has got one of the. i can tell you i once i got it can tell you now i once i got it from a partner actually as a present birthday he from a partner actually as a preslivid. birthday he from a partner actually as a preslivid. it birthday he from a partner actually as a preslivid. it wasirthday he from a partner actually as a preslivid. it was a hday he from a partner actually as a preslivid. it was a hoover he was livid. it was a hoover and a mop all in oh but yeah, but mop all in one. oh but yeah, but it the floor soaking wet, it left the floor soaking wet, so i sent it back . long story so i sent it back. long story short, company offered me a short, the company offered me a free i got free replacement and then i got freaked i thought, free replacement and then i got freaiare i thought, free replacement and then i got freaiare you i thought, free replacement and then i got freaiare you offeringi thought, free replacement and then i got freaiare you offering me)ught, free replacement and then i got freaiare you offering me a ght, free replacement and then i got freaiare you offering me a free why are you offering me a free hoover? and then i was convinced that it was a chinese spark. oh, this hoover. so i was like, thank very much. yeah. thank thank you very much. yeah. thank you this gb news was you so she was this gb news was being very firm with with the with the robot hoover. >> wasn't doing good enough job. >> there you go. you >> oh, well, there you go. you can put thinking caps can all put your thinking caps on which gb news on and wonder which gb news presenter, female presenter kicks a robot hoover. i can kicks off a robot hoover. i can assure you it's definitely not me. anyway , you know me. uh, anyway, you know company. what about company for the ? well, not the elderly? well, not just elderly, people . uh, ai elderly, lonely people. uh, ai and and all the rest of and robots and all the rest of it. that could be a good use for them, couldn't it? yeah. have someone day someone to pass the time of day with not? your with you again or not? uh, your thoughts on get in touch

thoughts on it all? get in touch and let me know. i'll be bringing the bringing you into the conversation the break. bringing you into the convi rsation the break. bringing you into the convi rsaticwant the break. bringing you into the convi rsaticwant to the break. bringing you into the convi rsaticwant to the break as and i also want to ask you, as well xl dogs. of well about xl bully dogs. of course, the ban comes into play imminently. enough imminently. is it strict enough or .

not? hello there. michelle dewberry, this is dewbs& co with you till 7:00 tonight. matthew laza and baroness jacqueline foster remain alongside me. that conversation about the robotic hoovers didn't half spark a strange conversation in that break. i can tell you now, i've just been listening to someone saying that they wash their bedsheets what bedsheets twice a week. what i mean crazy, who even does such a thing ? uh, anyway, all of your thing? uh, anyway, all of your strange domestic habits . i shall strange domestic habits. i shall pack them for now, because there are other matters that i want to discuss with you. the deadlines will apply an exemption will apply for an exemption certificate for xl dogs as certificate for xl bully dogs as ended today. after that, it will basically be a criminal offence to be in possession of one of

those dogs without the certificate. what do you certificate. um, what do you make to this, jacqueline? is this ban? some people are saying it's not been strict enough. >> um, i think any government would been between a bit of would have been between a bit of a rock and a hard place. um and there time to do there was a limited time to do something, and i think they've also tried to and, you know, i'm also tried to and, you know, i'm a real dog lover. and you are, we've was on we've seen lollipop and i was on the welfare i'm the animal welfare end, but i'm equally a equally you know, i've had a large dogs myself. over the large dogs myself. um, over the decades. large dogs myself. um, over the decades . um, large dogs myself. um, over the decades. um, and i what decades. um, and i know what a dog can do if it's out of control and it's not trained. and unfortunately , we there's and unfortunately, we there's always a small group that are caught that caused the problems . caught that caused the problems. but this particular is but this particular breed is extreme , really powerful, far extreme, really powerful, far more powerful most . so more powerful than most. so i think decision to make sure think the decision to make sure that your dog is registered and it is muzzled , uh, obviously it is muzzled, uh, obviously it's not allowed to breed. you're not allowed to breed from it . um, i think is you're not allowed to breed from it. um, i think is actually you're not allowed to breed from it . um, i think is actually the it. um, i think is actually the right way forward. i think what's really tragic, what we are seeing is these horrible people, um , the rspca and others people, um, the rspca and others

are picking up basically carcases of young bullies who have been , you know, beaten to have been, you know, beaten to death on their head and stuff left by bins and all of this sort of thing. you know, if they can't keep them, they have to be given over to, to vets or to the authorities. and they have to be euthanized. i mean, it just has to happen. >> one thing was scotland wasn't going to introduce and going to introduce the ban. and then very then and then there was very insistent there wasn't problem insistent there wasn't a problem insistent there wasn't a problem in guess in scotland. and then guess what? been taking in scotland. and then guess what? north been taking in scotland. and then guess what? north the been taking in scotland. and then guess what? north the border.aking in scotland. and then guess what? north the border. so 1g in scotland. and then guess what? north the border. so now them north of the border. so now scotland them north of the border. so now s

animals and they're often taken to somebody vets. >> it's lost . to somebody vets. >> it's lost. um, i think >> if it's lost. um, i think they need have they probably need to have a conversation with the vets . conversation with the vets. >> uh, charlie on twitter, he says xl ban has been says the xl bully ban has been horrendous . it's, uh, it's ill horrendous. it's, uh, it's ill thought out and poorly instigated. says the rspca instigated. he says the rspca has always maintained that breeds specific legislation, does . he says all of does not work. he says all of this is a pr stunt. it's dog owners that we should be licensing , owners that we should be licensing, and it's those owners that we should be licensing , and it's those that licensing, and it's those that are the real monsters. some of those people , well, i mean, i'm, those people, well, i mean, i'm, i'm not particularly a dog person and i think dog owners need to be aware a slightly less indulgent and aware of the impact their dogs them, impact their dogs have on them, even if they're much nicer breeds xl bully. breeds in the xl bully. >> so kind half agree. breeds in the xl bully. >> yeah,1d half agree. breeds in the xl bully. >> yeah, and half agree. breeds in the xl bully. >> yeah, and ithinkgree. breeds in the xl bully. >> yeah, and ithink some people >> yeah, and i think some people i a dog, i i mean, i don't have a dog, i would hurt dog. would never hurt a dog. >> i must but there's >> i must confess, but there's a lot of people that dog lot of people that are dog lovers, their dog, lovers, that love their dog, that my dog really that think, oh, my dog is really friendly of friendly and all all the rest of it. shares that it. but not everyone shares that sentiment. so when you let this so—called be so—called friendly dog be bounding place, bounding around the place, particularly bounding around the place, particuléaround exactly . children around exactly. >> i was really scared of dogs children around exactly. >>a was really scared of dogs children around exactly. >>a kid. really scared of dogs children around exactly. >>a kid. sonlly scared of dogs children around exactly. >>a kid. so you;cared of dogs

children around exactly. >>a kid. so you have of dogs children around exactly. >>a kid. so you have to dogs children around exactly. >>a kid. so you have to be gs as a kid. so you have to be aware of the impact i was. >> yeah, i was to karen's just been touch. me sad, been in touch. you made me sad, karen. saying that karen. you're saying that actually that are on actually people that are on benefits, not just those actually people that are on benedon't not just those actually people that are on benedon't notyou'reiose actually people that are on benedon't notyou're telling actually people that are on beneshe�*t notyou're telling actually people that are on beneshe�*t rshe'sr're telling actually people that are on beneshe�*t rshe's 64.telling me. she says she's 64. she works in a care home. she has to get her wages topped with her wages topped up with universal credit. and she says, still, she's still, despite all that, she's not put her heating not been able to put her heating on for two years. i have to say, stories like that make me sad. and also think it is quite and i also think it is quite reflective of broken reflective of a very broken country. when somebody such as karen there, you can go to work , karen there, you can go to work, you can physically to work, you can physically go to work, you can physically go to work, you graph, particularly a you can graph, particularly in a sector as caring, which i sector such as caring, which i don't think we financially value enough. absolutely and despite all of that, you can still need to get benefits. and despite all of that, you can still be in a situation put situation where you can't put your heating on, entitled to some allowance because some heating allowance because she was on a benefit. oh well, there i know, you there you go. i don't know, you can private session with can have a private session with that with the after the thing. well, baroness well, there you go. baroness foster citizens foster says contact citizens advice. might be able advice. karen, you might be able to support that to get extra support that perhaps currently perhaps you are currently not receiving . louise says. is there receiving. louise says. is there a petition for baroness foster

to prime minister? there are to be prime minister? there are not actually , jennifer says on not actually, jennifer says on that xl bully band. these dogs have feelings and they don't deserve any of this, she says. gives examples about some of the horrendous things that some people are doing. but i suspect, jennhen people are doing. but i suspect, jennifer, if your child was attacked by one of those dogs, maybe you have different maybe you might have a different opinion. debate will rumble opinion. that debate will rumble on, it's i've on, but for now, it's all i've got. much. thank you got. time for so much. thank you jacqueline . thank you. don't jacqueline. thank you. don't look everyone . look glamorous today, everyone. >> feel i've let look glamorous today, everyone. >> side feel i've let look glamorous today, everyone. >> side down feel i've let look glamorous today, everyone. >> side down anyway.i've let the side down anyway. >> look, nigel farage is up next. anywhere at night. >> brighter outlook with boxt >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> alex deakin here with your latest weather update. good evening . i'm trying a bright day evening. i'm trying a bright day for many tomorrow though certainly in the south a cooler feel . it's been quite certainly in the south a cooler feel. it's been quite mild today. it's also been very very windy today. winds windy today. those winds continuing to ease down at the moment. storm system heading moment. a storm system heading its norway . this weather its way to norway. this weather front's southwards , front's been sinking southwards, bringing of rain, but

bringing a band of rain, but still very blustery in northern scotland . plenty showers scotland. plenty of showers packing that rain will packing in here that rain will spread across southern parts of wales southern england wales and southern england before tending fizzle out before tending to fizzle out through the early hours, so most places become dry and clear through night, but still through the night, but still very blustery, though with showers across the far north. a hint of a touch of frost, maybe over parts of the midlands and central parts of wales, where we keep the clearer skies. but for most we'll start at about 3 or 4 celsius in the morning, and for most it's a fine day tomorrow. early rain over the channel clouds clearing away. still plenty northern plenty of showers in northern scotland. plenty of showers in northern scotl.although winds will here, although the winds will ease a before more wet ease for a time before more wet weather then pushes into the highlands and the western isles later on. for most, it's dry and bright, sunshine , bright, hazy sunshine, temperatures today, temperatures lower than today, certainly the south, 7 to certainly across the south, 7 to 9 c. friday will be a very mild day . we will still have day. we will still have outbreaks of rain in western scotland, some drizzly conditions over the hills of west england and west wales at times. but for most, friday's

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gb news. >> well, four years ago tonight i was in parliament square with a very large crowd celebrating brexit. but four years on, we've got to ask the question is life getting better? and as an important subset of that, there's a northern ireland deal and the eu is right at the heart of it. the stormont assembly is going to meet again. is it a good deal or is it a bit of a sell out? and joining me at the end programme is pretty

end of the programme is pretty patel, home secretary patel, the former home secretary i'm asking her about i'm going to be asking her about the affairs select the home affairs select committee morning the committee this morning and the proof the illegal migration proof that the illegal migration act simply hasn't worked. but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . the news with polly middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you. and good evening to you. well, the top story from the gb newsroom tonight is that will be no tonight is that there will be no routine checks on goods traded between uk , mainland and between the uk, mainland and northern ireland. that's after the government published the details of its with the details of its deal with the democratic unionist party. today, agreement setting the today, the agreement setting the stage for return of power stage for the return of power sharing at stormont after the dup withdrew almost two years ago.the dup withdrew almost two years ago. the new deal will also see ago. the new deal will also see a package of more than £3 billion to support public services in northern ireland. it's expected to be debated in parliament tomorrow . but parliament tomorrow. but speaking at a dup news conference this evening, northern ireland minister chris heaton—harris welcomed the deal. >> i'm clear that the