i >> -- >> good evening . i'm a >> good evening. i'm a light >> good evening . i'm a light of >> good evening. i'm a light of mike freer saying he won't for stand parliament again after harassment, threats and an arson attack on office. i think attack on his office. i think we've got sectarianism coming into politics on the mainland in a way we've never seen. i believe mps need more safety, more protection and more security. we'll debate that. we'll talk about the chemical attack, horrific chemical attack that took place in clapham last night. we'll ask ourselves, how is that this man got refused is it that this man got refused twice for asylum and somehow , on twice for asylum and somehow, on his third attempt, was allowed to stay? and joining me on

talking pints, jeff miller, obe former derbyshire and england test cricketer i'm going to ask him, what is this magic that ben stokes has found to make england keep winning all of these games? but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you and good evening to you. well, the top story from the gb news room this evening is the suspect in the south london chemical attack was given asylum in the uk. that's what government sources have told here at gb news tonight. told us here at gb news tonight. it's understood abdul azadi failed twice in previous asylum applications , but was eventually applications, but was eventually successful. the alleged attacker is on the run tonight after injuring a mother and a child with a corrosive substance in london last night. with a corrosive substance in london last night . the 35 year london last night. the 35 year old is believed to be, police say, from the newcastle area , say, from the newcastle area, and was seen fleeing the scene immediately after the attack. now i'll give you a warning that

the next picture that's coming up is actually quite distressing to look at. if you're watching us television, it's from us on television, it's from police. released this police. they've released this new the suspect's last new image of the suspect's last known shop known sighting in a nearby shop show , saying he himself has show, saying he himself has a significant injury to the right side of his face. police are appealing to the public to report any sightings, particularly in the northeast, where he's from . in other news where he's from. in other news today, the number of migrants crossing the english channel is up i3% compared with this time last year. more than 1300 people have arrived in small boats this month. that's the highest january total since records beganin january total since records began in 2018. it is , of course, began in 2018. it is, of course, february now. so last month and that's compared to the 100 recorded in january last year and just yesterday, 278 people made the journey in six small boats . now a made the journey in six small boats. now a couple's made the journey in six small boats . now a couple's expected boats. now a couple's expected to stand trial over the alleged arson attack on justice minister mike fryer's london constituency office. the pair deny the charge

that the tory mp for finchley and golders green described the incident as the final straw that made him quit after receiving a series of death threats. you can read more have more on that in nigel's program coming up now. the former subpostmaster, who led the campaign for justice in the post office scandal, has rejected the government's compensation offer. today. alan bates , whose two decade fight bates, whose two decade fight inspired the itv drama mr. bates versus the post office, said the offer was cruel and offensive . offer was cruel and offensive. give, mr bates told the daily telegraph the offer was a sixth of what he'd requested, calling it a terrible way to treat human beings in the united states. donald trump's data protection claim over allegations he took part in sex parties and bribed russian officials has been dismissed by a us court judge. the former us president's claim for distress and reputational damage was against orbis business intelligence. that's a concern rating firm founded by former m16 officer christopher

steele . mr trump denies the steele. mr trump denies the allegations , but the firm says allegations, but the firm says mr trump's claim is harassment and hundreds of farmers have been protesting. today outside the eu's headquarters in brussels over better working conditions . france has been at conditions. france has been at the centre of a growing dispute across europe by farmers , with across europe by farmers, with tens of thousands of agricultural workers staging demonstrations across germany , demonstrations across germany, poland, belgium and italy. they want environmental rules created by eu bureaucracy to be relaxed and help with dealing with rising cost . s for the latest rising cost. s for the latest stories , sign up to gb news stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or by going to gb news. com streamelements . news. com streamelements. >> good evening, the conservative member of parliament for finchley and golders green, mike freer, has announced he will not be putting

himself forward to stand at the next election. he cites muslims against crusades, harassing him year after year. he cites the fact that ali harbi ali visited his office. this is the man who went on to murder the south end member of parliament, sir david amess, and in december there was an arson attack on his office. and he feels that whilst you're an mp, you have to accept some pretty rough stuff that it's now reaching a level that threatens him and his immediate family and my real concern with this is what we're seeing is sectarianism , religious violence sectarianism, religious violence and sectarianism in british politics. now, i probably know more about threats, intimidation and assaults than anyone that's been around in modern british politics. i was physically assaulted many , many times, but assaulted many, many times, but my way round it was that i had to have a team of security people physically with me. when i was out campaigning, because, you see, we don't want our

elected representatives to be completely separated from the public. we want them to go out to street markets or whatever it is, talk to the public, get the mood . but i don't think it's mood. but i don't think it's viable for mps to go on doing this without having security protection with them. that is my view. oh, i can hear you at home. i can hear you saying it'll cost too much money. i can hear you saying no. surely it's theirjob hear you saying no. surely it's their job to protect us. hear you saying no. surely it's theirjob to protect us. but i promise you, if people are frightened of going into politics because of the physical threats they could face, especially if they're defenders of israel, especially in the case of mike freer. if they're openly declared to be gay, if those sort of people are put off going into politics, we will perhaps find the quality of those in politics diminished even further. and for those that are elected, they'll be scared to speak out on issues that really matter. so i believe mps

need more protection. i'd love to get your point of view. i'm sure there'll be mixed farage at gb news cos now, earlier on, mike freer spoke to christopher hope. our political editor. >> point when the level of threat becomes, you know, like beyond the pale most . mps in beyond the pale most. mps in fact, i think all mps have to cope with a level of routine abuse, routine mean graffiti that the kind of low level stuff maybe we shouldn't have to deal with it, but it is kind of bred and butter now. the way we handle our jobs as mps. the handle ourjobs as mps. the arson attack was simply last arson attack was simply the last straw had two run ins with straw i've had two run ins with muslims against crusades, one quite serious where they burst into a surgery , was having in a into a surgery, was having in a mosque and threatened me. and the theme there seems to the common theme there seems to be, um, support for israel. be, um, my support for israel. in fact, muslim crusades , when in fact, muslim crusades, when they burst in, said, you're a jewish homosexual pig. i can't deny i, i do believe that there is a linkage to anti—semitism, but now we're if like in public

standing on the pavements where i do an advice fair, where 2 or 300 residents come through the doom 300 residents come through the doonl 300 residents come through the door, i now wear a stab vest. also my staff also have them available if they want to wear them. did you worry if you were re—elected as in the election? >> you wouldn't survive the parliament? >> it's always at the back of your mind. getting worse. your mind. it's getting worse. the abuse in the inbox the level of abuse in the inbox is getting worse. the level of threats on the street threats now on the street are getting worse. the threats to life what's become more, um, life are what's become more, um, if more frequent and the if like more frequent and the inbox. if like more frequent and the inbox . someone after the fire inbox. someone after the fire said you're clearly the of said you're clearly the kind of person deserves be set person that deserves to be set alight. if it was just words . alight. as if it was just words. but you just don't know whether someone the street someone will be on the street corner with knife you corner with a knife or, you know, we've mock molotov know, we've had a mock molotov cocktail on the front. on cocktail left on the front. on the front doorstep, worried. oh well your family's are well, your family's worried. are you survive the day? you going to survive the day? are you going to come home? if you the streets, then you walk the streets, then i think there's time say that's think there's time to say that's enough. >> well, that's where we are. i'm joined to discuss this with lord john mann, independent

adviser to the uk government on anti—semitism and former long time labour mp and mohammad amin, co—chair of the muslim jewish forum of greater manchester and former chair of the conservative muslim forum. gentlemen welcome john. you have spoken out consistently, loudly about anti—semitism over many years and whilst you were an mp, you were subject and your family were subject to threats. >> oh, many times people jailed, people with suspended sentences , people with suspended sentences, people with suspended sentences, people with suspended sentences, people with harassment orders with convictions, others who should have been prosecuted and in my view , jailed. and that's in my view, jailed. and that's against me , my staff, my family , against me, my staff, my family, my wife, my daughters and it doesit my wife, my daughters and it does it it unnerves you far more, i think when it's your family, what do you do when your daughter's going around a normal business and she's rung up by the police to say , well, there's the police to say, well, there's a specific threat being made and here's what you need to do. or when your son opens the door and

the bomb squad is there . as the bomb squad is there. as a teenager. um, and so what mike's done, mike's. i mean, people like you and i, um , have like you and i, um, have a little bit of a reputation for speaking out. yes. mike was known in parliament as a true gentleman . um, not meek , but gentleman. um, not meek, but very polite . very, very very polite. very, very collegiate. one of the nicest people you'd come across . but people you'd come across. but when someone like him is standing down the country needs to stop and think. because cause it's endangering the future of civilisation in the country . civilisation in the country. that's what it's really doing. because it's endangering parliament and democracy . but parliament and democracy. but it's deeper because there are people. the mob rule or the individual or organised extremists think they can wield power by taking some of us out and those who speak out are probably more at risk of

something . but mike proves, of something. but mike proves, of course, mike was a consistent champion of fighting anti—semitism . his reputation anti—semitism. his reputation cross party has been a good local mp. one labour knew it would be hard to get rid of because people will be voting for him, not necessarily because he was a tory. they're a bit unpopular at the moment, but they like him. but and they trust him and he delivered for them and for him to go. it's a warning . it's a warning to the warning. it's a warning to the country what it is and let's i mean, let's call it for what it is. >> this is this is these are threats coming from extreme islamists, aren't they? >> oh, that's what we've been targeted him. and, you know, i mean, i can't you and i can't, i can't reveal some of the stuff going on at the but yes, going on at the moment. but yes, i'm take lots of extra i'm having to take lots of extra precautions and i've got to make sure, you know, if not me, who else will they go for? and and who are these people? because you know, they don't they don't they don't come and identify themselves, send you a little note saying this is me locally .

note saying this is me locally. see, you might get those kind of idiots, but you know, them , you idiots, but you know, them, you know, that, you know, know, you see that, you know, and manage your regulars. >> you can manage them. >> you can manage them. >> yeah, but but and also in london. london's a big place. you know. how does mike know who's walking down his street? you know, if it's, it's where i live. so an unusual walking down. who's that then . yeah. not down. who's that then. yeah. not in london, not in london. >> no, i mean muhammad. i mean , >> no, i mean muhammad. i mean, this is a very depressing picture, isn't it ? you know, picture, isn't it? you know, here is, here is. and i think the point, john man makes that mike not mike friel was not a particularly i mean, not that it should even happened to high profile controversial people, but i mean, looks to me, but i mean, this looks to me, although radical islam is reshaping politics in a very reshaping our politics in a very negative way and not just radical islam, but we've had two mps murdered in the last sort of eight years. >> david amess, murdered by an extreme muslim. jo cox , murdered extreme muslim. jo cox, murdered by a far right campaigner for her political views. it is terrible and what we have to do

is dial down the rhetoric in our society, stop calling judges enemies of the people. what's happening in gaza has inflamed passions, but as the muslim jewish forum of greater manchester, we have been categorical on the point that nobody, whether they're jewish or muslim, should allow what they feel about what's happening in israel and palestine to give rise to hostility against other people in this country. but when you say dial down the rhetoric, do you mean we should have limits put on our ability to speak freely on issues? well, we should certainly, first of all, consider ourselves what kind of language using when a language we are using when a major national newspaper calls judges enemies of the people, somebody is liable to take a pot shot at them . shot at them. >> well, i can assure you that in politics, all sorts of things get said. i mean, a lot of things have been said about me. a lot of things have been said about john over the years, but none of that is an excuse for

violence. and what is and you're quite right about jo cox's murderer, but, you know, if you look big concerns that look at the big concerns that the in this the authorities have in this country, them are coming country, 80% of them are coming from suspected islamist . it's from suspected islamist. it's when is the muslim religion itself going to try and sort this out? >> well, first of all, i, i wouldn't be at all surprised to find that right now with what's going on in israel and palestine, the majority of threats are coming from muslim extremists . that wasn't the case extremists. that wasn't the case a few years ago, when the security services felt that the majority of threats were coming from the far right. well, they don't believe that it's 80. don't believe that now it's 80. >> the figure now all right? >> is the figure now all right? that's where we are today. and that's actually that's before that's where we are today. and that israeljally that's before that's where we are today. and thatisrael gaza that's before that's where we are today. and thatisrael gaza conflict fore that's where we are today. and thatisrael gaza conflict .)re that's where we are today. and thatisrael gaza conflict . ie that's where we are today. and thatisrael gaza conflict . i mean the israel gaza conflict. i mean , i'm going to repeat the question. yeah you know, i know that with the catholic church, we have a pope and with the church of england, we have an archbishop. and if things are not as straightforward and in the muslim religion and i get that, but i don't hear talk amongst religious leaders

amongst your religious leaders in this country saying they're going to try and sort this stuff out. well, one of the things i did a few years ago, i got fed up of people saying that muslims don't condemn terrorism, for example. >> so i started for a while keeping a log on my website of muslim condemnations of terrorism because it gets said regularly. muslims are not speaking up. muslims are speaking up. muslims are speaking up, but don't get very much attention when they do. >> all right, well, i promise you on this channel, when you that on this channel, when they do, we make sure they they do, we will make sure they get coverage. >> i'm prepared to come sit here right now and condemn these. >> hearing you and >> no, no, i'm hearing you and i want no. and pleased hear want no. and i'm pleased to hear it. mps at the moment have it. john. mps at the moment have a of protection. panic a degree of protection. panic buttons, in their homes. buttons, cctv in their homes. certain them can certain of them can get protection they're doing protection when they're doing surgery is they actually surgery. is do they actually need physical security now to go about their work and to walk around the streets of london? some probably need it and want it, but i'd never want it where i live. >> no, because that ability to talk to the voters is so

fundamental . and you know, when fundamental. and you know, when you mine was a former mining area , people say what they think area, people say what they think and they don't necessarily hold back and, you know, i'd go in and people would read me the riot act and there'd be effing and blinding and pointing the finger and stamping, you know, and i'm kind shuffling and i'm kind of shuffling back, you know, the dogs are suddenly coming out as well. you know, the dogs are suddenly coming out as well . and then coming out as well. and then they'd say at the end, oh, don't worry, vote for you, worry, we'll still vote for you, john. but that, that john. but, but but that, that way you know them. yeah. yeah, but how do you know when you're in a big city and you don't know? well, that's the point i'm making. and that's and i think the more visible , the more it's the more visible, the more it's needed. yeah. and you know, all my staff i mean we had, we got someone in ex—army and we got trained in what to do in terms of a knife attack, including how to deal with knife wounds and that was serious level stuff because we looked and thought, what's the most rational danger

and what can we do something about what might happen. yeah. and i think the way in which mps are not being protected in their surgeries , um, is solvable . surgeries, um, is solvable. >> yeah. because it's publicly advertised security around parliament. >> yeah. is solvable. yeah and it's , uh. well, it's a weakness it's, uh. well, it's a weakness that the extremists are exploited. and if i can say congrats on having a muslim jewish forum, we need more people talking together. and look, if you want to argue about the politics all day long in the forum, fine . but you're drawing. forum, fine. but you're drawing. you're drawing a line between the democrats and the extremists. and i think we're going to need to do far more of that in this country. nigel, who are the democrats? >> we need a lot more anti—death democrats who don't believe in democracy. >> yep. and therefore are going to target the elected politicians, the muslims. >> we need we need people were

if that's the same organisation that existed in the mid 2000, they were banned by the government. why are they actually not being prosecuted? >> yeah. look there are lots of questions around this. but thank you both joining you gentlemen both forjoining me is a very, very me and this is a very, very important debate. i just hate to think there'll more mike think there'll be more mike frears. i hate to think there'll be good people not going be more good people not going into service because into public service because they're scared. in a moment, we will discuss attack will discuss the acid attack that took place yesterday in clapham, and we'll also ask, following mark zuckerberg's appearance senate appearance before a senate committee is time committee yesterday, is it time to ban smartphones from under sixteens

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> so should mps be better protected? some of your thoughts, john says i agree that members of parliament should be provided with protection. you're right , it provided with protection. you're right, it won't be cheap. cultural conflicts never are. my

wife and i are actively encouraging our son and his young family to emigrate to a safer country. it's all so depressing. grace says. mps and journalists should be protected, pay journalists should be protected, pay for it by abolishing the house of lords and taking protection from junior royals. i don't think it's an either or grace. i think the junior rules need protection too, and finally, tony says it's okay giving mps protection . but where giving mps protection. but where is the protection for us as the public? who will be paying for this? and look, tony, i understand whenever we talk about spending more money on mps, about spending more money on mp5, it about spending more money on mps, it is quite often very, very unpopular. now, yesterday, a senate hearing with many of the big tech bosses from the west coast in america, including, of course, mark zuckerberg, and i have to say, when it came to the threats posed to young underage people on the internet, a variety of threats senators in the usa were not holding back when they spoke to zuckerberg yesterday .

to zuckerberg yesterday. >> do you know who's sitting behind you? you've got families from across the nation whose children are either severely harmed or gone , and you don't harmed or gone, and you don't think it's appropriate to take talk about steps that you took , talk about steps that you took, the fact that you didn't fire a single person? let me ask you this. let me ask you this. have you compensated any of the victims? sorry have you compensated any of the victims as these girls, have you compensated them? >> i don't believe so. >> i don't believe so. >> it's pretty full on >> well, it's pretty full on stuff and it leads to a debate. should we under 16? can't should we say under 16? can't have and can't have have smartphones and can't have full access to the internet? is that desirable ? is it possible? that desirable? is it possible? well, i'm joined down the line by miriam cates, member of parliament, conservative for penistone and stocksbridge . and penistone and stocksbridge. and miriam, you were speaking out about this the other day. you're very concerned about the content that's being seen by a lot. in fact, a majority of young people. what action would you like us as a society? like us to take as a society? >> well, good evening nigel.

well, i think it's become increasingly clear that social media access to social for media children, for young teenagers has had some fairly horrific consequences . i think it's clear consequences. i think it's clear now, after about 10 or 12 years of this being ubiquitous for children, that suicides have gone up, mental health problems have gone up , gone up, mental health problems have gone up, self—harm has gone up, addiction pornography has up, addiction to pornography has gone sorts horrific gone up, all sorts of horrific things that our children are seeing each every day. and i seeing each and every day. and i think was study out just think there was a study out just last showed the last week that showed that the average teen spends two average british teen spends two hours day on tiktok , and i hours a day on tiktok, and i think we've seen from the congressional hearings today that even the social media bosses now are begrudgingly admitting, their admitting, or at least their emails that they emails are showing, that they know, that there is a strong link social media link between social media and very consequences very poor consequences for our children. so i think what i children. and so i think what i would like to see is restrictions social media, so restrictions on social media, so that under are not allowed to that under 16 are not allowed to use social at the use social media now at the moment, theory, under 13 moment, in theory, under 13 are not supposed have social not supposed to have social media but we know media accounts. but we all know it's very easy to break any kind of controls on those platforms. now if a ban on social media for

under 16 didn't the kind under 16 didn't prevent the kind of harms we are seeing, then i do we should look at a do think we should look at a smartphone ban because of course, smart phones do course, smart phones also do have the internet. but have access to the internet. but i social seems to be i think social media seems to be the key driver of those harms at the key driver of those harms at the moment. that where we the moment. and that is where we should efforts. should focus our efforts. >> all right, miriam, you've made the case. thank you. i'm not it's practical, but not sure it's practical, but i understand why you understand the reasons why you put passion. put it across with that passion. and for giving us that and thank you for giving us that point of view this evening. i'm also joined on this by also joined on this debate by professor chair of professor andy mayer, chair of science communications and future media at the university of salford, and andy, you heard what miriam had to say. you understand why she's saying it . understand why she's saying it. she's genuinely concerned about what people are saying. what young people are saying. we're concerned about what we're all concerned about what young people are and young people are saying, and some awful consequences. some of the awful consequences. i to me, i just some of the awful consequences. ito me, i just don't think it's practical. >> well, i agree with you, nigel. i do think that it's impractical to ban mobile phones and ban social media and all these strategies to try to deal with the problem, i think are a bit too heavy handed. we need to

look really to how educate look at really to how educate people, to empower teachers people, how to empower teachers and parents more and parents to develop more healthy relationships through digital media with their children . and we look at children. when and if we look at the medical profession, the royal college for paediatrics the medical profession, the royechild ege for paediatrics the medical profession, the royechild health paediatrics the medical profession, the royechild health paediaamerican and child health or the american academy none of academy of paediatrics, none of them calling for ban. them are calling for a ban. neither teaching neither is a teaching profession. we need profession. so i think we need to other strategies to look at other strategies before we go down the route of any of ban at all, and how any kind of ban at all, and how much harm, how much genuine harm we extreme cases. we hear of the extreme cases. >> they're ghastly and >> and they're ghastly and they're awful, and they were >> and they're ghastly and they'rupwful, and they were >> and they're ghastly and they'rup those and they were >> and they're ghastly and they'rup those families were >> and they're ghastly and they'rup those families behind lined up those families behind zuckerberg, yesterday. zuckerberg, emerson yesterday. but genuine harm do you but how much genuine harm do you think being done to young think is being done to young minds ? minds? >> well, i think that again, the evidence suggests it's a very mixed bag. and actually social media provide deal media can provide a great deal of support young of support from many young people. so taking it away can actually them in a more actually put them in a more vulnerable position. these figures and figures are always disputed, and i again, the medical i think that again, the medical professions a professions look at this in a very broad perspective see very broad perspective and see that, we to that, in fact, we need to understand complexity of understand the complexity of these i think for me, these things. i think for me, a big part of it is actually we've built a history of social media, where often parents are

separated from the environments that children experiencing separated from the environments that often ren experiencing separated from the environments that often don't experiencing separated from the environments that often don't knowzriencing separated from the environments that often don't know them ng and often don't know them themselves are terribly themselves and are terribly uninvolved i'd love to see activities. so i'd love to see more empowerment getting more empowerment parents getting involved of involved with the lives of their children spaces, and children in digital spaces, and teachers are out for teachers who are crying out for more support to deal with this in classroom well, but in the classroom as well, but not through but through not through a ban, but through education, of building digital programmes, of building digital resilience are crucial, i think, for kids. >> i think the point, >> yeah, i think the point, andy, is quite a strong one that kids always want to develop andy, is quite a strong one that kids own (s want to develop andy, is quite a strong one that kids own livesnt to develop andy, is quite a strong one that kids own lives away develop andy, is quite a strong one that kids own lives away from )p andy, is quite a strong one that kids own lives away from their their own lives away from their parents, but now they can develop are so far develop lives that are so far away their parents don't even comprehend you very comprehend it. thank you very much joining this much indeed for joining me this evening on programme. well, evening on the programme. well, a couple of very clear points of view there, folks. i absolutely understand sincerity. i understand miriam's sincerity. i just think banning things for under 16 seconds, frankly , isn't under 16 seconds, frankly, isn't going to work now . a lot of talk going to work now. a lot of talk ahead of the march the sixth budget about tax cuts. one moment, the chancellor hinting maybe he he's going to cut taxes .then maybe he he's going to cut taxes . then we hear the imf and others saying, no, you mustn't do that. and now the chancellor

says, well, there isn't really very much room, but who knows, maybe produce something maybe he will produce something of a rabbit of the hat. i of a rabbit out of the hat. i don't know, but i'm going to ask kwasi kwarteng a minute. kwasi kwarteng in a minute. former the exchequer former chancellor, the exchequer give of our annual give an the size of our annual deficit and the massive growth of our debt under 14 years of conservatives , is it actually conservatives, is it actually prudent to be cutting taxes

radio. who we trust to run the economy, to look after the nation's finances is always one of the key determinants of how we vote at general elections . we vote at general elections. >> but there's a debate. i just don't think we've been having, and that is the extent to which our national debt has exploded over the course of the last few years. have a look at this graph on your screen. and okay, we know that going back to two thousand and seven eight nine, there were some really quite big bailouts that came from central government to bail out the banks

. we equally know that in the pandemic , huge amounts of money pandemic, huge amounts of money were borrowed . but even if you were borrowed. but even if you take that away, you can see that every single year the size of our national debt gets bigger. it is now about £28 trillion going up every year. and in that context, some people are saying, well, actually we can't really afford to cut taxes at all. well, who better to speak to than a tax cutting? chancellor kwasi kwarteng . hello, kwasi, we kwasi kwarteng. hello, kwasi, we are progressively getting poorer and poorer as a nation. that's right. so the way, the way to get out of this, and that was what i tried to do and liz truss tried to do is you've got to focus on growth. >> that's the exam question that we have answer . and the way we have to answer. and the way that you growth, lots of that you get growth, lots of people different ideas, but people have different ideas, but principally a conservative approach to getting growth is to reduce so that people, reduce taxes. so that people, ordinary people and businesses can spend more of their own money to invest and grow the

economy. >> so the theory is, is that you cut taxes and that then pumps more money exactly right into the economy. exactly right. >> and then people, you know, it's not government that are creating wealth, it's individuals, businessmen , individuals, businessmen, companies that create wealth . companies that create wealth. it's the private sector that creates wealth , that the public creates wealth, that the public sector then taxes and spends. i get the theory, but one of the criticisms of you , and i think criticisms of you, and i think one of the criticisms actually , one of the criticisms actually, of all political parties is they appear to be incapable of cutting government spending. that's the key . i mean, and i that's the key. i mean, and i think when i look back is that we should have had a, a credible plan to reduce the increase in spending. now, that's often a difficult concept to explain , difficult concept to explain, but it's in line with inflation. except that's all right. so when you when you , when you're you when you, when you're slowing the increase it means, you know, one year you spend £100 the next year you spend £100 and the next year you spend maybe £101 as opposed going maybe £101 as opposed to going up so the actual level up to £110. so the actual level

isn't going down, but you're slowing the increase and that's very much what i tried to do. and actually, looking back, the one thing i wish we'd done, i'd done was to present a credible spending plan at the same time as the tax cuts that we that we announced . announced. >> you had a go. it didn't work out for whatever reason. and that analysis will go on for some years to come. we have jeremy hunt there as chancellor now, hinting quite strongly. now there won't be any tax cuts, but there won't be any tax cuts, but the truth of it is under 14 years of conservatives for a variety of reasons. the tax burden has risen. that's right to the highest since the attlee government way back in eight years, is . and years, 1951. whatever it is. and we've now got a general election coming up and i'm struggling, kwasi, any real kwasi, to see any real difference in economic policy between the conservatives and the labour party. >> well, i've written about this. i wrote to the telegraph about this and i don't see how we go the election we can go into the election person essentially we're person essentially saying we're going to be just like labour. we're up your taxes

we're going to put up your taxes just they are. i don't just as they are. i don't understand what that how? >> well, actually, fair, >> well, actually, to be fair, labour we won't labour are saying we won't put up your taxes. >> well yeah. i mean so we've got of slightly absurd got a sort of slightly absurd situation where the labour party opposing it's, it's opposing we all know it's, it's nonsense because when they get in books in they'll say, oh, the books are got to whack up are such, we've got to whack up tony are such, we've got to whack up ton hang on, hang tony blair >> hang on, hang on. tony blair kept top rate of tax at 40. kept the top rate of tax at 40. all the way through those years. >> so we're in a >> he did so. so we're in a situation where arguably labour could present themselves as the party of low tax, which is incredible . i mean, if you think incredible. i mean, if you think about you know, the history, the political history where the parties have come from, it would be very odd and i think very bad for the conservatives if labour. >> well, on that point, posed themselves as the party of low tax on that point. stay with me, kwasi i'm joined the line kwasi. i'm joined down the line by rammell, former labour by bill rammell, former labour minister. um, bill, good evening nigel. what a fascinating day . nigel. what a fascinating day. uh, the labour party present to 400 businesses. we've had the

boss of iceland endorsing laboun boss of iceland endorsing labour, and we've had rachel reeves standing up and saying 25% on corporation tax is the correct balance. so we're not going to put up corporation tax. something the business community wanted to hear. the so—called bankers bonuses. wanted to hear. the so—called bankers bonuses . we're not going bankers bonuses. we're not going to change the relaxation of rules on that. and i quote , the rules on that. and i quote, the next labour government will make the pro—business choice and the pro growth choice is this enough, bill rammell, to convince people that labour will not be a tax and spend party? >> well, i think it's part of what we need to do and, you know, throughout the new labour years, we did position ourselves and we were convincing as being the . party of business and the. party of business and certainly the tories over the last 14 years have lost that reputation . reputation. >> you know, with boris johnson as prime minister talking about business, uh, and things like businessmh, and things like so i businessrnh, and things tiks so i think we, we are

that. so i think we, we are positioning ourselves correctly. we're making it clear that we're not going to tax and spend for the sake of it. we're making it clear that we've got the highest tax burden since the second world war. and that's not a position the labour party wants to be in. and we're making it clear that more than anything, we want give stability to we want to give stability to business, to create the conditions for economic growth, which is actually absolutely essential for a fully functioning society and decent pubuc functioning society and decent public services. so this really is the blair 97 campaign and 2.0, isn't it ? is the blair 97 campaign and 2.0, isn't it? i mean , it's not 2.0, isn't it? i mean, it's not the same. we're in a very different set of circumstances . different set of circumstances. um, and, you know, it's not identikit new labour, but it's certainly a labour party, which is centred in the centre ground of british politics, which knows that you need a strong and a positive relationship between , positive relationship between, uh, government and business to drive the economy and creating the conditions for a successful

economy. but you will tax those who are non—doms. >> you will tax those who choose to send their kids to private school, uh, those at the higher end of the income scale do have some interfere. don't they? >> well, there are going to be some symbolic changes which are about fairness. so billionaires, uh, non—dom, uh , non—payers at uh, non—dom, uh, non—payers at the moment , uh, non—dom, uh, non—payers at the moment, uh, we will end that status and put that money into the health service. we'll levy vat fees , uh, on private school vat fees, uh, on private school fees and put that money into state schools. but beyond that, we are making it very clear that what we need to fund improvements in public services are is economic growth. and that means planning reform . it means means planning reform. it means a major house building programme . it means stability for business and the country , and it business and the country, and it means a restoration of confidence . and, you know, all confidence. and, you know, all those things we did achieve in 13 years of labour government. if you look at the figures, the average growth rate under the last labour government was 2. under this government, it's been

1.5. that difference is worth about £150 billion. that's the difference between labour in power and the last 14 years of the tories . the tories. >> bill rammell thank you. going to come back to you. kwasi very interesting there. very interesting. it was interesting. i laboun interesting. it was interesting. i labour, there's i mean there's labour, there's bill you know, bill rammell, you know, experienced minister experienced guy, former minister saying tax burden is saying that the tax burden is too he's right. and we too high. he's right. and we have an emphasis on growth. that's the that's right. what is the difference between your two parties. >> think that, um, the >> well i think that, um, the proof pudding will be in proof of the pudding will be in the if they win . but i'm. >> but i'm talking about the choice facing electors. >> so look, it's only five years ago. six years ago, that they had years had jeremy corbyn. five years ago, the leader. so, you ago, as the leader. so, you know, there are lots of people in labour party who stood on in the labour party who stood on his platform, was the his platform, which was not the centrist party in centrist labour party in inverted commas, that we see now . and you've got to ask yourself if they do get into power and if they've got a slim majority or they've got a slim majority or they don't a majority at they don't have a majority at all, is actually going to be all, who is actually going to be calling in labour calling the shots in a labour government, it won't be bill

rammell. i mean, he's not in parliament anymore. it'll be a radicalised of left radicalised bunch of quite left wing who want to tax wing mps who will want to tax the rich , who will want to put the rich, who will want to put up people's taxes. yeah i guess it's a confiscatory way. >> i guess it'll depend on the size of it. if he has a majority, a big majority, the hard left aren't going to hurt him. a small majority kc the hard left. >> he will have to. >> he will have to. >> you may well be right. kwasi thank indeed. and thank you very much indeed. and just thought. farmers just a quick thought. farmers protest today heading to brussels surrounding the european and this is european parliament and this is happening across our happening right across our continent. what folks, continent. tell you what folks, these people mean it. net these people really mean it. net zero terribly popular in capital cities and amongst the governing classes and champagne socialists and well, the modern conservative party too. but when it comes to who actually pays for net zero? no, the folks don't like it very much at all. now, a astonishing win for the engush now, a astonishing win for the english cricket team last week. in fact, michael vaughan saying it was the greatest victory he'd seen in his lifetime. we're going to talk to former

derbyshire and england test cricketer geoff miller , obe talk cricketer geoff miller, obe talk to him about his days playing cricket, how the game has changed and what is this magic that ben stokes appears to have found on patrick christys tonight >> 9 to 11 pm. forced to quit the job he loves after death threats from islamist extremists and an arson attack, tory mp mike freer is live in my studio. the manhunt is underway for a vile alleged acid attacker. i speak to one acid attack victim about their struggles. i'm also joined by renowned podcaster constantine kissing. are we seeing a rise of sectarian politics in britain and cultural issues after one girl was prevented from going to pakistan for an arranged marriage aged just 13 years old? it's a brand spanking new patrick christys tonight it's 9 to 11 pm.

i >> -- >> it's my favourite part of the show. yes, it's talking pints. i'm joined by jeff dusty miller obe jeff, welcome to talking pints. good to have you here. pleasure. um, pleasure to be here. now, cricket. back in the news. hmm'hmm. england this win last week. and we did cover it on the show and talk about it and it was quite funny because i showed the newspaper headlines from friday and saturday, you know, stokes captaincies know, stokes his captaincies as disaster. all the disaster. he's made all the wrong decisions. england are going thrashed and going to get thrashed and suddenly michael vaughan is saying , wow, this is the best saying, wow, this is the best test win he's ever seen. you know, in his lifetime . you know, in his lifetime. you played back in the day. yeah. when with both them and an amazing figures that yeah you played with. >> but again the game is dramatically changed though nigel now because well for argument's sake um, with the bowlers when we play the game put pressure on the batsmen. that's it. and you have to fight

that pressure as a batsman . the that pressure as a batsman. the game has changed so dramatically now that the batsmen, because of invention and creation of shots , invention and creation of shots, etc, put pressure on the bowlers now. so it's the game has changed so much and the bats are different. >> yeah . i different. >> yeah. i mean different. >> yeah . i mean these days sixes >> yeah. i mean these days sixes seem terribly easy. >> the weights are the same , but >> the weights are the same, but they don't press the bats. now if you talk to the bat manufacturers, they will tell you they don't press the bat. so they've got a kind of elasticity about them . pings off, you about them. so it pings off, you know. but the weight's same. know. but the weight's the same. and i suppose they the boys are a bit stronger. they're certainly stronger was certainly stronger than i was when i played . when i played. >> i mean, you played under mike brearley. i did, who was a legendary captain . and you know, legendary captain. and you know, you were there through some amazing epic tussles amazing years and epic tussles with the, you know, australia and west indies when you started all of those things. you know, mike brearley was a very established figure but clearly commanded yeah. commanded great respect. yeah. amongst the players, amongst you guys, the players, ben stokes , very different ben stokes, very different

personality , very different, personality, very different, different figure . and yet different figure. and yet somehow it looks to me like he's providing inspirational leadership. >> well, he's working obviously working with the coach as well. so they've made their interpretation of how they want to the game. they want to play the game. uh, they want to play the game. uh, they want to their positivity about it. this is how we're going to we're going to take the game to the opposition. we're not going to play opposition. we're not going to play the opposition want play as the opposition want us to they've to play. to play. they've got to play. how are playing. and at this how we are playing. and at this moment time it's been moment in time it's been demonstrative. they've actually made tell you what, >> well, i'll tell you what, i will be up at 4:00 tomorrow morning. i'll have the telly on. i'll be watching the second test match against india, and there's a general excitement around cricket. and yet, jeff, what i think is so sad is there are so many just not many schools that are just not playing cricket. are. and playing cricket. there are. and increasingly england cricket increasingly the england cricket team become for those that team has become for those that have private school. yes have been to private school. yes >> but there could be a worry that evening to get that that evening starts to get stopped of the private stopped because of the private school you school situation. you know, that's not dominating that's that's not dominating everything. the moment, everything. now at the moment, you know, you're in politics. so

you know, you're in politics. so you know, you're in politics. so you know there is a threat. you know that there is a threat. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> um, but, uh, it's how >> yeah. um, but, uh, it's how you learn the game now. uh, i'm they're taught to play in the modern era. so once upon a time, you played respectfully of the ball that was bowled at you. naughty boy. now, now they go and invert and create an inventive right from the word go. that's the modern game. and that's what the modern spectator wants to see sports change. >> all i'm saying is i just feel there are too many, you know, youngsters, maybe not youngsters, teenagers, maybe not getting cricket. getting access to cricket. >> there probably are. but they can make that. they can can still make that. they can make that choice. but whereas the that on and now the schools took that on and now the schools took that on and now the local clubs have to take on that mantle, you know, if a youngster wants to play, he's not. it's not just ordinary from a school. he goes to a local club and they have to get coaches into to actually work on these kids and bring them into these kids and bring them into the game. >> jeff, you could bat, you could bowl. you were an all rounder . you could bowl. you were an all rounder. you know, you did your bit with derbyshire. there you

are. it's 1976. bit with derbyshire. there you are. it's1976. it's bit with derbyshire. there you are. it's 1976. it's the bit with derbyshire. there you are. it's1976. it's the heat are. it's 1976. it's the heat wave summer. it's the drought. the oval was the colour of that beer richard. >> it was yellow . >> it was yellow. >> it was yellow. >> yeah. richard scored 291. they just touched the ball. it went for four. and they had these fearsome fearsome bowlers, including a guy called michael holding that was whispering friend of mine because he came to derbyshire. >> no, he did, he came to play at derbyshire. very good friend. >> but you go in as a rookie. it's 1976. we're getting thrashed by west indies. thrashed by the west indies. yeah was facing michael yeah was it like facing michael holding for your first ball in test cricket? well it was it was a first ball in test cricket as well. >> you're quite right. and i always got i got a wonderful story my father because story about my father because when after match, when after the test match, i went back to him and because he couldn't get down, he never drove. so he couldn't get down to london. so watched it on to london. so he watched it on the television and he said to me, we're in the front room at two road, just afield. two anfield road, just afield. he said, um, i'll watch michael holding running in to bowl at

you. i knew he was going to you. and i knew he was going to bowl around about 100 miles an houn bowl around about 100 miles an hour, he said. and he got to two yards delivery stride. yards from the delivery stride. and how did, son. and you know how they did, son. he tell you what i he said, i'll tell you what i did. i closed my eyes and i just said, well, it must be registered because did registered then, because i did as well. i love that, i love cricket stories after dinner. >> i love dinner time , i love >> i love dinner time, i love that, well, of course you had your time. i mean, selection. yeah you were an england selector for many, many years. yeah. chairman. always a controversial job, isn't it? whatever the selectors do , whatever the selectors do, you're condemned in you're going to get condemned in the we were well, the press. well we were well, i say fortunate. the press. well we were well, i say forworked at it. you >> we worked hard at it. you know, being a selector there are criteria for being a selector. one, you've got to have the time to properly. two, you've to do it properly. two, you've got to have the knowledge of what is required be an what is required to be an internal and three, internal cricketer. and three, as felt you had have as i felt you had to have communication skills as well. and all those and if you passed all those three, had chance and three, then you had a chance and it picking the right people it it's picking the right people at the time and conversing at the right time and conversing with them. so you got the best out them. and i think that's

out of them. and i think that's what's happening at the what's what's happening at the moment think there's moment as well. i think there's a situation and a similar situation now, and i think key gets left out think robert key gets left out of this. think robert key gets left out of the's also been a big part of >> he's also been a big part of this england setup. this new england setup. >> be quite happy to be on >> it'd be quite happy to be on the back. the back as well. >> no, he does seem to he >> no, he does seem to be. he does seem well, no, does seem to be. well, no, i mean you did all this for a long, long time. you got your obe for your services to the game and you are now the star of the after dinner cricket speaking circuit now. you speaking circuit now. well, you are, uh, i do enjoy that. >> i do enjoy it. >> i do enjoy it. >> how many after dinner speeches miller do speeches jeff miller do you do every year? >> well, quite a few come on, give a number. quite a few. give us a number. quite a few. uh, well, it's gone down the older got. knocked it older i've got. i've knocked it down but i don't know it down a bit, but i don't know it to be about 100 or something like that. >> it's still >> it's still it's still a couple of dollars a week. >> of as you can see, i do >> a lot of as you can see, i do a lot of charity as well. >> no, i was going to come to that. >> so just i've just seen the advert between two and advert in between the two and you've the prostate advert you've got the prostate advert on as well. and i'm trying to promote that as much as i can.

>> jeff miller like the king, you prostate you have had a absolute prostate cancer do you cancer diagnosis. um, do you think know you've got think i don't know you've got the badge? yeah. and i should wear actually, i wear it actually, because i had a cancer as well. many, a male cancer as well. many, many testicular cancer many years yeah, should wear years ago. yeah, i should wear it think still it too. do you think still today, there are men reluctant today, there are men reluctant to forward and get. absolutely. >> i think, you know, the more we try and promote it and there's some big names and big names of going through that and it's embarrassment it's not an embarrassment anymore. know, we all have anymore. you know, we all have problems, the problems, you know. and the older have older you get they have problems, especially if it's hereditary it's not hereditary as well. so it's not an embarrassment to say you've got a problem with you. you need to it sorted out and, and to get it sorted out and, and try and rectify it. if there is a problem there, sometimes there isn't. but you know, there are ways of finding out where there are or not. and don't be scared to go in and find out. to actually go in and find out. >> surprised that the >> i was surprised that the king was open about it as he was. was as open about it as he was. oh, i thought with the king, you know, we'll know that the son. yeah, i know, ijust thought sort of royalty. they keep that bit but he's been

bit of distance. but he's been very, open about it hasn't he. >> he's promoted it. he's promoted it. so if the king's going through that process then what it small what i'm doing with it is small fry in comparison with him. and so if he's actually stated it and do something about then and do something about it, then the male of this world should look at that and think, that's me as well. >> and actually, i mean , i think >> and actually, i mean, i think people are terribly fearful in this terrifies this word. cancer terrifies everybody reason . but everybody with good reason. but i i'm right in saying that i think i'm right in saying that when to prostrate, if when it comes to prostrate, if it's early the vast, it's caught early in the vast, vast majority cases, it vast majority of cases, it can be with. be dealt with. >> it's got me . and i got mine >> it's got me. and i got mine early and i had some wonderful, wonderful people looked after me and i'm sure lots of people have wonderful people looking after them. but you're quite right, nigel. if you get it early, get your measuring early . yeah. uh, your measuring early. yeah. uh, and make your decision. what what you think is best for you, then? yeah, absolutely . why not? then? yeah, absolutely. why not? >> well, jeff, my absolute pleasure . it's a pleasure to pleasure. it's a pleasure to have you on the show, nigel. and it's great that cricket is back in news. the england in the news. well, the england

are rather exciting. >> what we do now. what cricket is doing is bringing the is doing now is bringing the pubuc the is doing now is bringing the public the ones public back into it. the ones who enjoying watching it. who are enjoying watching it. yeah, because england are doing who are enjoying watching it. yeiwell. cause england are doing so well. >> absolutely wonderful . cheers. >> absolutely wonderful. cheers. thank you. cheers. >> it's pleasure. >> it's my pleasure. >> it's my pleasure. >> thank you. pleasure. now, someone that loves his cricket is the next up on this channel. and rees—mogg, i and jacob rees—mogg, who i always year, always see at lords every year, who game. he'll be who loves the game. he'll be very angry to have missed jeff miller, but he's about do miller, but he's about to do a live show from scunthorpe. jacob, how are things going in scunthorpe ? scunthorpe? >> well, it's obviously marvellous to be here in scunthorpe. are you . what . scunthorpe. where are you. what. >> um , where i'm going to be >> um, where i'm going to be talking about how our crazy green policies are doing such damage to our steel industry and that we need a steel industry which is essential to the scunthorpe economy , but actually scunthorpe economy, but actually of importance nationally . of importance nationally. >> jacob. absolutely have a great time. that looks like a very enthusiastic crowd. we've got the gb news up there in

scunthorpe tonight. and jacob, of course, is quite right. all this talk of electric arc furnaces, all they do is recycle second—hand steel. blast second—hand steel. we need blast furnaces to produce prime free steel, because that's the steel that we need for the kind of military equipment that, god forbid, we might need to use. that's from me. i'm back with that's it from me. i'm back with you on monday evening. have a great weekend. let's have look great weekend. let's have a look and weather and see. what's the weather going for us. looks like going to do for us. looks like things are heating up. >> boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on gb news . good weather on gb news. good evening, i'm alex burkill. >> here's your latest gb news. weather forecast through the end of the week it is going to be largely cloudy , mild but also largely cloudy, mild but also windy because have a tight windy because we have a tight pressure gradient the uk. pressure gradient across the uk. an area of high pressure to the south of us, leading to a westerly flow , and that westerly westerly flow, and that westerly flow will push the heavy rain that we saw much of that we saw across much of scotland through today towards the overnight and we are the east overnight and we are going to drag in increasing

amounts of cloud from the west. so some clearer skies towards the to start the night the southeast to start the night means start little means it may start a little chilly, touch frost, but as chilly, a touch of frost, but as the rolls in we are going the cloud rolls in we are going to see our temperatures lifting so many of us wake so by the time many of us wake up tomorrow, it's going to be quite mild start. some places quite a mild start. some places already double figures . already in double figures. otherwise, go through otherwise, as we go through friday it's a much cloudier friday and it's a much cloudier day today most us, day than today for most of us, outbreaks the outbreaks of rain where the cloud is thick enough, particularly west, particularly towards the west, perhaps more perhaps something a bit more persistent across parts of scotland into northern ireland. for time the east, this is for a time in the east, this is where have the greatest where we have the greatest chance of some brighter skies and where it's going to be mildest. highs around 14 or and where it's going to be micelsius,ighs around 14 or and where it's going to be micelsius, but around 14 or and where it's going to be micelsius, but yourround 14 or and where it's going to be micelsius, but you d0|nd 14 or and where it's going to be micelsius, but you do need or and where it's going to be micelsius, but you do need to 15 celsius, but you do need to factor in some strong winds. risk gales exposed spots factor in some strong winds. riskaroundes exposed spots factor in some strong winds. risk around es ex ground. )ots factor in some strong winds. risk aroundes ex ground. two on and around higher ground. two on saturday going be saturday it's going to be a cloudier, wetter picture across southern areas. staying mild here. a bit chillier further north though, albeit with some sunny skies and blustery showers, could bring some sleet or snow over the higher ground of scotland into sunday. and i think mild picture will think the mild picture will become more widespread again,

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gb news. hello, hello . hello, hello. >> thank you very much . >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> it's me, jacob rees—mogg and the first time we've taken state of the nation on the road and tonight we are live from scunthorpe in the frodingham community . and tonight, community centre. and tonight, as you may have guessed, it's all about steel just down the road from us in the british steelworks. it employs thousands of people, but as we've just seen in the case of port talbot recently, jobs are at risk . recently, jobs are at risk. tonight we'll be assessing the effects of the green agenda on steel production . and i'll also

steel production. and i'll also be