something the jury rejected. i reject your evidence and instead look to the evidence in the messages written at the time . messages written at the time. when considering your motives , when considering your motives, there is insufficient evidence to find that you, eddie, were personally motivated by any sadistic desires . there is some sadistic desires. there is some evidence that you were upset after the killing , but you knew after the killing, but you knew scarlett enjoyed the thought of causing pain and fear in some messaging. you even encouraged that , such as messaging. you even encouraged that, such as suggesting she could derive pleasure from watching someone die by hanging . watching someone die by hanging. you did not know brianna . you you did not know brianna. you knew only what scarlett told you, she said. brianna was transgender and sent you pictures of her. your messages . pictures of her. your messages. about brianna were transphobic . about brianna were transphobic. you consistently referred to her in a way that was dehumanising, calling her it. you also

described her as a femboy thing when discussing killing brianna. you agreed with scarlett that she would be the easiest victim and said, and i want to see if it will scream like a man or a girl . after the failed attempt girl. after the failed attempt on the 28th of january, and in answer to scarlett expressing her desire to see brianna suffering, you said, really all i want to see, really all i wanted is to see what size dick it had , because scarlett is an it had, because scarlett is an unreliable witness. i will not use her evidence that you had a problem with gay and transgender people against you. nor will i dwell on the unpleasant messages about someone being gay and what you might do to them. but in your messages about brianna , you your messages about brianna, you undoubtedly displayed hostility towards her based on her transgender identity . your transgender identity. your explanation is that you were just copying the language used

by friends . just copying the language used by friends. it including scarlett, to fit in throughout the messaging. scarlett almost always referred to brianna as a girl and used the pronouns she and her. so you were not following scarlett's lead . it following scarlett's lead. it may be that you picked up some of this language and the hostile views at school , but after views at school, but after considering all the evidence i have about you , i am satisfied have about you, i am satisfied that you are quite capable of holding your own views . that you are quite capable of holding your own views. i that you are quite capable of holding your own views . i have holding your own views. i have now seen a great deal of expert evidence about you for the record, i will upload to the digital case system a list of all the material i have considered at an earlier stage in the proceedings , as i had the in the proceedings, as i had the advantage of hearing some evidence from doctor crawford , evidence from doctor crawford, the psychiatrist at your unit, and from doctor bowers, a psychology wokeist. i have also carefully considered the written evidence of doctor diggle . i

evidence of doctor diggle. i have paid close attention to your presentation during the trial . you were helped to give trial. you were helped to give evidence in an unusual way by typing your answers. evidence in an unusual way by typing your answers . because it typing your answers. because it was agreed, you you are selectively mute , not by choice . selectively mute, not by choice. you coped well with giving evidence and were able to get across what you wanted to, including under cross examination . since you have been examination. since you have been in custody, you have been diagnosed as having an autistic spectrum disorder . at the mild spectrum disorder. at the mild end of the spectrum , you showed end of the spectrum, you showed signs of autism from a young age , but you were able to attend mainstream school where you did well and were not considered vulnerable. there where you had some friends, you had strengths and weaknesses you liked to be seen as intelligent and had a real interest in science , but real interest in science, but you were socially awkward and your mutism is apparently a reaction to the situation that

you now find yourself in, and the severe anxiety that has followed at the time of the killing , you followed at the time of the killing, you were followed at the time of the killing , you were living at followed at the time of the killing, you were living at home and well integrated at school, looking at all the all the evidence, the expert reports as well as the evidence at trial, i am satisfied that your diagnosis does not explain in the way you referred to brianna , although it referred to brianna, although it does have some impact for sentencing . using the table in sentencing. using the table in schedule 21 for young offenders , schedule 21 for young offenders, the starting point for those aged 15 or 16 at the date of offence is 20 years. if the case falls into the category for which the adults starting point is 30 years, it is 71 years. if the adult starting point would be 25 years, it is agreed by everyone that those are the two categories to consider in paragraph three of the schedule, explains that a case will fall in the higher category if the

seriousness of the offence is particularly high. it gives examples of cases that will normally be included in that category. it does not say that they are the only example of offences of particularly high seriousness, but this is a good guide to judges. seriousness, but this is a good guide to judges . two examples guide to judges. two examples are relevant here. they are a murder involving sadistic conduct and a murder that is aggravated by hostility related to trans gender identity . if to trans gender identity. if i do not treat you as falling into paragraph three, then the 17 year starting point applies because the murder involved a knife being taken to the scene that was part of the joint plan, and so applies equally to scarlett as it does to eddie, whose knife it was . the starting whose knife it was. the starting point i use is just that it is not the end point. i then have to weigh up all the things that make your offending worse, what we call aggravating factors and all those that count in your

favour, mitigate gating factors , favour, mitigate gating factors, sadistic motives are not themselves enough to bring the case within paragraph three. the test is sadistic conduct . test is sadistic conduct. equally, the fact that there is some evidence of transphobia does not lead automatically to the higher starting point . here the higher starting point. here it is agreed that the question is whether the murder was, at least in part, motivated by hostility to brianna because she was transgender . my conclusions was transgender. my conclusions on these issues are important, but they are not decisive because in the end, i am required to decide whether the offence is one of particularly high seriousness and then to put everything else into the balance to reach the end point, which is what you will be most interested in. scarlett i have concluded that the primary motivation for brianna's murder was your deep desire to kill the message is reveal your fantasies and show

your sadistic motives . reveal your fantasies and show your sadistic motives. brianna's murder was except finally, brutal. your actions after the event and what you have told doctor church confirm you enjoyed the killing. taking all that evidence together, this was a murder involving sadistic conduct . a murder involving sadistic conduct. eddie, a murder involving sadistic conduct . eddie, although a murder involving sadistic conduct. eddie, although your motives may not have been the same , you knew what scarlett same, you knew what scarlett wanted to do and why you understood her desire to see brianna suffer. understood her desire to see brianna suffer . you actively brianna suffer. you actively participated in this brutal murder . participated in this brutal murder. knowing the sadistic motives behind it. and you cannot avoid the consequences just by saying you did not have the same desires . i find also the same desires. i find also that you, eddie, were motivated in part by hostility towards brianna because she was transgender. you dehumanise brianna by constantly referring to her as it and your messages

about wanting to see if she would scream like a man or a girl and really wanting to see what size dick it had, along with checking the night before the killing that brianna was coming. show your own interests in killing brianna is linked to your hostility towards her as a transgender person. just as you knew of scarlett's motive as she knew of scarlett's motive as she knew of scarlett's motive as she knew of yours . although i cannot knew of yours. although i cannot go so far as to say she used your trans phobic attitudes to get you involved . i therefore get you involved. i therefore find that you both took part in a brutal and planned murder, which was sadistic in nature , which was sadistic in nature, and where a secondary motive was hostility towards brianna because of her transgender identities . she, in any event, identities. she, in any event, however, it is analysed and i think it is plain that this was a murder of particularly high

seriousness , and that the part seriousness, and that the part each of you played leads to the starting point of 20 years. had i not reached that conclusion, i would have treated the sadistic motive and transphobic comments as significant, aggravating features at the next stage as it is, i will be careful not to double count things that have already gone into the starting point. there are many serious features in this case, but they overlap and it would be wrong to treat each one as separate, uplifting . the minimum terms. treat each one as separate, uplifting . the minimum terms . i uplifting. the minimum terms. i also keep firmly in mind that you are very young and you must be sentenced with the hope. if not the immediate expectation , not the immediate expectation, that you can one day be rehabilitated . and however cruel rehabilitated. and however cruel that may seem to those who have lost a loved one. looking at aggravating factors, brianna's murder involved a significant degree of planning and

premeditation, with more general plans to kill other people. the planning started with you, scarlett, and it was you who brought eddie in. but eddie, you joined in with the planning. i do bear in mind that apart from the awful subject matter, the plans were in some ways quite childish. scarlett's notebooks were left where they could easily be found , but the extent easily be found, but the extent of the planning on any view remains a significant aggravate factor for each of you . in your factor for each of you. in your case, scarlett, i have to bear in mind that you tried to kill brianna by poisoning her, although that does not apply to you. eddie. you did encourage further attempts at poisoning, although that did not happen . although that did not happen. both of you were involved in the failed attempt to kill brianna on the 28th of january and persist did. when that did not come off, brianna was vulnerable, as described by her

family, even if not strictly to be treated as vulnerable in the statutory sense . you picked statutory sense. you picked brianna because you both thought she would be an easy target . in she would be an easy target. in doing so. you scarlett, abused her trust . she thought you were her trust. she thought you were her trust. she thought you were her friend. you encouraged her not to be anxious and guided her through getting the bus. eddie you knew scarlett was preying on brianna in this way and so it aggravates your offending too. although perhaps to a lesser degree than scarlett's . i degree than scarlett's. i recognise that these features are part of the planning i have described, and i avoid double counting, but they are still matters to put in the balance . i matters to put in the balance. i have taken account of the brutality of the killing and the use of the knife when assessing the starting point. i have also built in the sadistic motive and transphobic hostility . all these transphobic hostility. all these things are very serious features

, but i have explained how they are linked and so they do not each call for separate additional uplift as they do though have to be recognised in balancing the aggravating and mitigating features taken together, they illustrate how serious this offence was even in the context of other murders falling into the category. i have identified the attempts to conceal evidence were not sophisticated , and do not have sophisticated, and do not have any significant impact . any significant impact. brianna's body was not concealed , probably because you were disturbed and i will not speculate as to what might have happened if you had not been . it happened if you had not been. it is an aggravating feature that you committed the murder in broad daylight in a park , when broad daylight in a park, when there were other people around , there were other people around, including a family playing hide and seek and lots of dog walkers. it was always likely that other people would come upon the scene and suffer

trauma, as happened in considering mitigation, i have considered everything i have read about you, including the pre—sentence reports . i bear read about you, including the pre—sentence reports. i bear in mind your previous good character. although this must be viewed in the context of very serious offending and the contents of the messages . within contents of the messages. within the 15 to 16 age range , there the 15 to 16 age range, there will be differing levels of maturity . i must look at your maturity. i must look at your maturity. i must look at your maturity while also thinking about any mental or developmental disorders which may have lowered your culpability. looking at the various reports on you both , various reports on you both, scarlett , the assessment of your scarlett, the assessment of your intellectual ability fits with other evidence that you are not mature or clever. you have some vulnerabilities since you were about 14, you have had problems with your mood, anxiety and self—harming and anorexia . self—harming and anorexia. reports prepared before the

trial suggest you had suggested you had traits of autism and adhd . doctor church no longer adhd. doctor church no longer thinks that applies . you have thinks that applies. you have changed your accounts since the trial. you have admitted taking part in brianna's murder. you have said things about what you did and how you felt both to doctor church and to others, including miss howarth, who wrote the pre—sentence report . wrote the pre—sentence report. you have lied so many times, scarlett, that it is impossible to know what is true and what is not. there are, though, worrying things in the recent reports you have expressed, the desire to kill again . if those thoughts kill again. if those thoughts continue, you will not be released . past doctor church's released. past doctor church's latest report will need to be retained on your file . it retained on your file. it contains important information. the parole board would need to consider . you have shown no. no

consider. you have shown no. no remorse . having now assessed you remorse. having now assessed you several times, doctor church has diagnosed that you have a severe form of conduct. dyssocial disorder. one of the features of which is having no empathy . your which is having no empathy. your lack of empathy does provide some explanation for how you could commit such a dreadful murder. but in my view, it does not signify lower your culpability . there is no culpability. there is no suggestion that you did not know that what you were doing was wrong, or that you were unable to control your actions as you were able to plan in an organised way and had full awareness that it was criminal behaviour . awareness that it was criminal behaviour. in short , your behaviour. in short, your diagnosis diagnosed disorder did not drive your action, although it meant you did not have the mental break that most people have to stop them wanting to harm others because that feels wrong . it may not have felt

wrong. it may not have felt wrong, but there is no doubt you knew it was wrong to act as you did, and you chose to do so anyway . i take account of the anyway. i take account of the diagnosis, but in my view it offers limited mitigation . there offers limited mitigation. there are no other relevant diagnoses in your case, but there are some concerns about your mental health and how you will respond after today, which those responsible care will responsible for your care will no note scarlett , it is no doubt note scarlett, it is clear that if you are ever to be released, a huge amount of work will need to be done with you first. but the hope remains that this can happen and you should work hard on your rehabilitation . eddie, you have been described as extremely vulnerable. there are areas in which your functioning is like that of a much younger child . your social much younger child. your social skills are certainly not as developed as most people of your

age . i have looked carefully at age. i have looked carefully at the limitations outlined by doctor diggle, but it is hard to view these limitations as significant, lowering your culpability for brianna's murder . i should also say that my analysis of your offending differs in some important respects from that contained in the present report. miss howarth has attempted to make sense of what you have told her, but you have not given a truthful account. i have found her reports helpful, though reading it in the context of my factual findings , i bear in mind that it findings, i bear in mind that it is difficult for a proper assessment to be made as to the impact of your asd , while you impact of your asd, while you continue to deny what you did , continue to deny what you did, but i am confident from all i have seen, that you knew very well that what you did, what you were doing was terribly wrong, and that you were capable of

saying no to scarlett. your autism cannot provide any real excuse for the offence . i do, excuse for the offence. i do, though, recognise that some downwards adjustment is required in balancing against the aggravating factors to reflect . aggravating factors to reflect. that you are less mature than many others within the 15 to 16 age category , and that your age category, and that your thinking skills are less developed in several areas, more generally, your asd severe anxiety and selective mutism has made your experience of custody more difficult . but despite more difficult. but despite this, doctor crawford's latest report shows reasonable progress . you have managed to pass your gcse while in custody and to begin studying a levels , and you begin studying a levels, and you have agreed to start speech and language therapy . although you language therapy. although you showed no remorse at trial or indeed today, the pre—sentence report showed that some insight

into brianna's family's feelings. you told miss howarth i wouldn't think that there is anything to say because i'm certain that there is nothing either of us could say that would ever help them with their situation , and would more than situation, and would more than likely cause more pain . this is, likely cause more pain. this is, in fact , quite a mature in fact, quite a mature statement and one that may be built upon . i also find that it built upon. i also find that it is consistent with my view that despite the limitations identified in the expert evidence , you are capable of evidence, you are capable of thinking about the consequences of your actions . thinking about the consequences of your actions. taking thinking about the consequences of your actions . taking the of your actions. taking the evidence as a whole , i find that evidence as a whole, i find that the impact of your asd on your culpability is limited. i do not doubt that transferring to prison when you are an adult will be difficult . prison is will be difficult. prison is more difficult for those who are neurodiverse . your behaviour in neurodiverse. your behaviour in custody has been good so far and it is clear from the

pre—sentence report that there is a hope that you may 1st day be rehabilitated . you must be rehabilitated. you must continue to work towards that . i continue to work towards that. i have weighed all the aggravating and mitigating factors that apply to each of you . although apply to each of you. although i have taken the same starting point , i have taken the same starting point, i have concluded that have taken the same starting point , i have concluded that the point, i have concluded that the final minimum terms must be different . but in scarlett's different. but in scarlett's case, the aggravating features are significant and would have led to a substantial uplift to the starting point. but for the mitigation, particularly that relating to maturity and mental disorder, the must still be an uplift. but it will be moderated . in eddie's case, i find that the balance to be struck between aggravating factors, which are not quite as high as in scarlett's case, and the mitigation i have identified , is mitigation i have identified, is such as to cancel each other out in saying that i have taken

account of all the medical evidence and accept the diagnosis of asd has some impact , but the extent to which it reduced your culpability in the circumstances of this offending is limited . this was undoubtedly is limited. this was undoubtedly a very serious offence with multiple aggravating factors . multiple aggravating factors. thatis multiple aggravating factors. that is the context in which i impose minimum terms which are lengthy for offenders of your age. all be it significantly less than an equivalent sentence for an adult , the parole board for an adult, the parole board will have to decide if and when either or both of you can be released . that will only happen released. that will only happen if you no longer pose a danger. if you are released , you will if you are released, you will remain on licence for life and you may be recalled to prison . i you may be recalled to prison. i will now sentence each of you . will now sentence each of you. you may remain seated . will now sentence each of you. you may remain seated. in will now sentence each of you. you may remain seated . in both you may remain seated. in both cases, the relevant statutory surcharge will apply . scarlett

surcharge will apply. scarlett jenkinson for the murder of brianna joy, you will be detained at his majesty's pleasure . i set the minimum pleasure. i set the minimum terms at 22 years, less the 352 days that you have spent on remand . eddie radcliffe for the remand. eddie radcliffe for the murder of brianna ghey. you will be detained at his majesty's pleasure . i set the minimum pleasure. i set the minimum terms at 20 years less the 352 days that you have spent on remand . please take the remand. please take the defendants to the cells and their legal teams will come and see them before they go to begin their sentences. thank you . their sentences. thank you. >> okay. that was the sentence . >> okay. that was the sentence. singh of brianna ghey murderers, scarlett jenkins and eddie ratcliffe. if you're just joining us, misses just this year at manchester crown court passed judgement scarlett jenkinson life with a minimum terms of 22 years less 352 days

spentin terms of 22 years less 352 days spent in remand. eddie radcliffe 20 years, minimum time less those 352 days. um she did say there is hope. they can both be rehabilitated in time. call this a murder of significant conduct .7 a murder of significant conduct.7 um, lots of harrowing detail to go through in that . i'm joined go through in that. i'm joined also in the studio now by the former metropolitan police detective, peter bleksley peter. we sat and listened to a huge amount of very grisly and disturbing detail, clearly premeditated , particularly of premeditated, particularly of scarlett . you have lied so many scarlett. you have lied so many times , it's impossible to even times, it's impossible to even know what's true. and expressed concern that scarlett wanted to kill again and has shown no remorse . likewise with eddie. remorse. likewise with eddie. um, show no remorse at trial or indeed today sent down peter

bleksley. >> what's your take on their sentence? >> brianna's family have had to suffer the horror of sitting through the trial , and then to through the trial, and then to listen to the words of mrs. justice yip , which are so justice yip, which are so astonishing. are so brutal. are so vile, including scarlett expressing a desire to perhaps kill again and to collect body parts, including possibly an eye which was her intention and would have been carried out, probably had they not been disturbed on that dreadful, fateful , murderous disturbed on that dreadful, fateful, murderous day . my fateful, murderous day. my thoughts go out to everyone who knew and loved brianna, and i think mrs. justice yip, in her calm and measured way , has calm and measured way, has handed down sentences that are appropriate 22 years and 20 years, respectively . but they years, respectively. but they will, of course, only ever be

released if there is a huge amount of rehabilitation work donein amount of rehabilitation work done in the next two decades. >> and peter , the details once >> and peter, the details once again started off at the beginning . beginning. >> mrs. justice yip by saying no one will ever know what's brianna was capable of . the brianna was capable of. the parents loss is unimaginable . parents loss is unimaginable. went on to detail 28 deep stab wounds to the head, the neck and the back. defensive injuries showed that brianna tried to defend herself, a sustained and very violent assault . a joint very violent assault. a joint plan you carried out together and particularly damning of scarlett . you blur the lines scarlett. you blur the lines between fantasy and real life . between fantasy and real life. and, of course, both defendants lied and lied and lied again, almost to the point where it is indeed decipherable whether either of them were telling the truth or not.

>> now, mrs. justice yip has has had to abide by sentencing guidelines and sentence them. according to their age when they committed the crime , they were committed the crime, they were both 15 and there are guidelines for 15 to 16 year olds specifically for this type of offence. and these sentences sit at the very top of what could be handed down by the judge. in other words, 20 years for the most serious of crimes, because there were so many aggravating factors . and scarlett has factors. and scarlett has another two years taking her to 22 because the aggravating factors were numerous and appalling . appalling. >> and peter, um , mrs. justice >> and peter, um, mrs. justice year was very , very detailed and year was very, very detailed and methodical about any potential mitigating circumstances . mitigating circumstances. scarlett said that she was not mature for her age . evidence of mature for her age. evidence of self—harming , of anorexia and self—harming, of anorexia and earlier diagnosed of autism and

aids hd when she was younger, but said that wasn't sufficient to mitigate her sentence. do you feel that that's fair justice has been done today? oh undoubtedly. >> i think the judges handed down as stern a sentence as she possibly could within the guidelines and in order to prevent some future appeal. although, of course , these two although, of course, these two children, they remain children and their legal teams will undoubtedly , i suspect, try and undoubtedly, i suspect, try and look at the sentencing to see if there is any possible way they can appeal. that, of course, would bring on more hurt, more upset for brianna's family and it is her family who will now serve the whole life terms , serve the whole life terms, because that sense of loss will simply never go away . simply never go away. >> okay, peter bleksley, please stay with us. but i'm joined now. going over to gb news reporter sophie reaper, who's been outside manchester crown

court . sophie. details coming court. sophie. details coming out there. justice has been passed. what's the latest ? passed. what's the latest? >> well, we've just come from inside the courtroom here in manchester, where justice year has delivered the sentence to scarlett and eddie, the murderers of transgender teenager brianna ghey. um, 1282 years for scarlett , 20 years for years for scarlett, 20 years for eddie . when she delivered those eddie. when she delivered those that sentencing. there was absolutely no reaction from either of the two. throughout out the her discussion of what the sentencing would be in her explanation, ian scarlett was nervously fidgeting with her hands. eddie was bouncing his knees up and down throughout. today. he's had a puzzle book on his knee with the word relax written at the top. scarlett has been doodling in a book, but as justice yip delivered those sentences, there was no movement. there was no reaction

whatsoever. outwards anyway. once justice had finished the sentence saying they were both taken from the courtroom and that was it, it realistically , that was it, it realistically, uh, they they gave no kind of reaction whatsoever for really quite lengthy minimum terms. of course, we know that they were both. we'd already been warned that they would be given the life sentence. but this these are what they've been sentenced to today is the minimum terms that they must serve before they could be considered release . could be considered for release. now, one of the key words that justice yip kept returning to as she spoke this afternoon was rehabilitation. her hope that both scarlett and eddie could be rehabilitated throughout their time in prison. rehabilitated throughout their time in prison . i think more time in prison. i think more aimed at scarlett, she continued to say. how much work scarlett would have to do in order to be rehabilitate. and of course, we've heard over the trial and today that scarlett has continuously showed interest in in killing once again her

enjoyment in stabbing brianna . enjoyment in stabbing brianna. and i'm sure it's that that prompted justice yip to enforce just how much work would need to be done. and when it came to eddie, she talked about how he'd passed his gcses whilst in custody and will now go to on do a—levels. he's also agreed to speech and language therapy. she seemed almost more hopeful that eddie would be able to be rehabilitated, but she did say for both of them that she was hoping that despite these lengthy minimum terms, that they would be able to go through the justice system, that they are both still very young, both still only 16 years old, that by the time they reach that minimum sentence , minimum sentence, they sentence, minimum sentence, they will have been rehabilitated and they can be assessed to see whether or not they're still a danger to society. and if not, there a chance they there is a chance that they could be released from prison. >> sophie, may i ask, were >> and sophie, may i ask, were brianna's parents present? and if so , was there any reaction if so, was there any reaction from them .

from them. >> both esther and peter have been present throughout . they been present throughout. they were here completely every day throughout the trial, and they've been here all day today, sat in the courtroom . um, they sat in the courtroom. um, they didn't really seem to have much reaction . i think we've seen reaction. i think we've seen their reactions . reaction. i think we've seen their reactions. um, reaction. i think we've seen their reactions . um, obviously their reactions. um, obviously on the steps outside the court, once they were found guilty, scarlett and eddie today, of course , an incredibly upsetting course, an incredibly upsetting day for them. i spoke earlier about , um, day for them. i spoke earlier about, um, brianna's father gave his witness impact statement in person, but her mother , esther, person, but her mother, esther, was unable to do so. she was just too overcome with emotion and, unsurprisingly , really. of and, unsurprisingly, really. of course, what an incredibly difficult day for both of them and their wider family. we thank you, sophie reaper for that update. >> sentencing of the killer scarlett jenkinson and eddie ratcliffe from manchester crown court, and i can be joined now by former senior investigator

officer at the metropolitan police, simon harding. simon being sent down 22 years minimum terms for jenkins and being sent down 22 years minimum terms forjenkins and 20 being sent down 22 years minimum terms for jenkins and 20 years for eddie ratcliffe . some for eddie ratcliffe. some appalling details came out of a clearly premeditated and planned killing. do you feel justice has been served today ? been served today? >> it's really difficult, isn't it? >> i mean, you know, whether i feel it or not, i mean, the family will never feel that justice has really been served. >> i mean , you know, these are >> i mean, you know, these are the these are the cases where we use phrases like, you know, lock . them up and throw away the key. isn't it? so you know, um, it's a difficult because as peter said earlier, that they're working within guidelines, but when that have when you have people that have these of thoughts, you when you have people that have these jenkinson)ughts, you when you have people that have these jenkinson has|ts, you when you have people that have these jenkinson has thesej when you have people that have these jenkinson has these kind know, jenkinson has these kind of thoughts and is there a sentence enough, you know, that can what she's and can justify what she's done? and you think it's going you know, i think it's going to be a very, very difficult, um, sentence come to terms with sentence to come to terms with just alone. just for the family alone. >> really astonishing was the level of premeditation , an

level of premeditation, an obsession with serial killers? no notebooks detailing , um, no notebooks detailing, um, jeffrey dahmer and the likes of that, their modus operandi and obsession with the macabre, calculating and double act . calculating and double act. together, they clearly worked to a plan they had a kill list of others , um, classmates who are others, um, classmates who are still traumatised by that . and still traumatised by that. and the horrifying detail coming out, um, from mrs. justice yip there. simon of scarlett in particular. her desire to collect body parts she wanted to keep flesh or an eyeball and even profess the desire to kill again . yeah it's shocking to again. yeah it's shocking to hear that. >> i mean , i draw sort of >> i mean, i draw sort of parallels to a case a few years ago with daniel hussain who who, uh, stabbed to death, uh, nicole smallman and bibaa henry in in london. >> and he was a similar thoughts as well, killing people every

six months. >> six people in six months and uh, the desire to kill at the time and also talking about this satanist thoughts as well. and of course then when you start drawing parallels, you look at how you know why she had these thoughts in first place. and thoughts in the first place. and where she getting these where is she getting these thoughts you know, and thoughts from, you know, and before, of hussain, before, in the case of hussain, it was online these it was it was online and these things were easily and easily accessible. was people accessible. there was people giving instructions on giving out, uh, instructions on to how kill people and you know, how to be a satanist and how to get rewards out of them . so, you get rewards out of them. so, you know, going open up know, this is going to open up a lot more to, you know, how did she get into this particular mindset that then led to mindset that then led her to this, you know, horrific and brutal there's been brutal crime? simon there's been a discussion as a great deal of discussion as evenin a great deal of discussion as ever, in these horrific cases of nature or nurture. >> the idea that the people can be radicalised by the dark web, by an obsession with other killers, that level of detail or obsession . do you buy? that obsession. do you buy? that could be the case. or do you think that some people are just born evil ?

born evil? >> i think there's a bit of both, to be honest with you. >> i think i've met people that are just born evil, and then there are those that can get influenced. uh, and you know, when they are particularly vulnerable their by vulnerable in their lives by what see online. um, and what they see online. um, and that case in daniel that was the case in daniel hussain's case, and they need to they to identify. and they need to identify. and this part you know, part of, you know, rehabilitation call rehabilitation, as they'll call it, discovering how her mind it, and discovering how her mind really works , will discover really works, will discover whether or not she is one or the other, whether she is born evil. um, and it certainly sounds like that at the moment or whether she has been influenced by what she's found online. um, but again, as i said, opens up the debate about it opening up our youth. um to people online who can target the vulnerable and give them thoughts like this. so yes, i think it could be both, but we'll wait and see what it's like for her and simon. >> one of the really, um, difficult things for people to process alongside this premeditation , alongside this premeditation, alongside this

clear obsession with detail to a clear obsession with detail to a clear plan working together was that almost detachment from reality. this took place , this reality. this took place, this attack, in broad daylight , in attack, in broad daylight, in a park , and mrs. justice yip was park, and mrs. justice yip was reading out details that were just chilling. a family playing hide and seek in the background at the same time, multiple dog walkers in that park and then the body left . but um, clearly the body left. but um, clearly she said because they'd been disturbed and she said she didn't want to speculate what may have happened if they hadn't been disturbed to do this in broad daylight, in such cold blood is absolutely, breathtakingly . cruel yeah . breathtakingly. cruel yeah. >> we don't really, as members of the public, you know, see these kind of sentencing and these kind of sentencing and these remarks and the detail that, um, justice gave today . that, um, justice gave today. and, know, i've sat through and, you know, i've sat through them times over the years them many times over the years and listened to, you know, things that i know about and it

still shocks again when i still shocks me again when i hearit still shocks me again when i hear it again. and again about the that we had the evidence that that we had and what we discovered. and to hear the things that that hear that the things that that they know, to poor they did, um, you know, to poor brianna, think it's awful. and brianna, i think it's awful. and yes, she's quite right yes, i think she's quite right to suggest that, you know, an extra, extra, uh, was given extra, extra, uh, time was given because it was done and because of where it was done and when was done in broad when it was done in broad daylight in front of families, you and yes, they probably you know, and yes, they probably would have on to try and would have gone on to try and conceal bodies. she's quite conceal the bodies. she's quite right as well. it right in saying that as well. it would have fairly, you would have been fairly, you know, their plan, i'm know, part of their plan, i'm sure, unfortunately, as she sure, but unfortunately, as she also don't also said, is that we don't really know. >> i'm afraid have to move on >> i'm afraid we have to move on now. we expecting press now. we are expecting a press conference. now going to conference. we're now going to new for an update new scotland yard for an update on the manhunt chemical on the manhunt for chemical attack. suspect ezedi. attack. suspect abdul ezedi. >> i'll try and shout. >> i'll try and shout. >> is that all right? clear enough. >> is that all right? clear enough . okay, thanks. um, enough. okay, thanks. um, commander john saville. so good commanderjohn saville. so good afternoon . good afternoon. i'm afternoon. good afternoon. i'm here to give you an update in relation to our progress following the horrific incident

in clapham on wednesday evening . in clapham on wednesday evening. >> first of all, an update on how our victims are . how our victims are. >> the mother remains very poorly in hospital and she's sedated at the moment. we expect that those injuries will be life changing . thankfully, we've had changing. thankfully, we've had an update from the hospital that the two young children that were with her, their injuries aren't as serious as first thought and they are not likely to be life changing. they remain with mum in the care of the nhs and we of course wish them the very best recovery that we can in terms of our manhunt for azt, we've got a large team of very experienced detectives leading the manhunt using all the tactics that you would expect us to use. lots of officers out on the ground and we are working very closely with colleagues from transport for london and british transport police and our colleagues in northumbria police, as well .

northumbria police, as well. last night, five search warrants were executed, two in east london and three up in newcastle . and we've recovered some significant and important pieces of evidence which will help with our investigation . i'd like to our investigation. i'd like to give you a rundown of the timeline that we know so far in relation to what happened, and the movements on wednesday. so so we know that azt left newcastle in the very , very newcastle in the very, very early hours of wednesday morning and he travelled down south to london. but around about 6:30 am. he was in the tooting area. a.m. he was in the tooting area. it was a further sighting of his vehicle at about 4:30 pm. in croydon , and at about 7 pm. he croydon, and at about 7 pm. he was in the stretham area as you know, the awful attack took place at 7:25 in the evening in clapham and at 7:33 he boards a train at clapham south tube . we

train at clapham south tube. we know that at 8 pm. he was at king's cross tube station and then at about quarter to nine, you've seen the images . then at about quarter to nine, you've seen the images. he was captured in tescos on the caledonia road, which is the images you've seen with a fairly significant facial injury . significant facial injury. thankfully, due to the great response we've had from the public, we were able to follow him and know that he got on a train at 9 pm, a victoria line tube heading south, and we've got some further images from the cctv that my colleagues will share with you shortly . and we share with you shortly. and we were very much like all of the public's help in identifying where he's travelled . if you've where he's travelled. if you've seen azt or you know where he is , then i urge you please, to contact our hotline , which . is

contact our hotline, which. is 020 7175 2784. or of course, you can phone crime stoppers if you think you've seen a zigi. now do not approach him. ring 999 and we will be there urgently . we we will be there urgently. we need the public's help to trace azt . it's really important that azt. it's really important that finally we i can make a personal appeal to him because abdul, you clearly have got some very significant injuries. we've seen the images . you need some the images. you need some medical help . so do the right medical help. so do the right thing. and hand yourself in. thank you very much, everybody . thank you very much, everybody. and thank you, the media, for your help in getting us to find azt. thank you . do you take any questions? >> okay. >> okay. >> that was a press conference at new scotland yard . commander at new scotland yard. commander john saville giving us an update on on abdul ezedi still at

large, but a significant timeline of his movements. but the most important details at first there, the mother is still quotes very poorly, is sedated and will have life changing injuries . and will have life changing injuries. um, and will have life changing injuries . um, the children , he injuries. um, the children, he said, luckily, are not as poorly as initially thought and they will not have life changing injuries. so the mother is clearly coming out much, much worse . she's talking about a worse. she's talking about a manhunt of a significant operation on five search warrants were issued, six scant evidence has been retrieved . um, evidence has been retrieved. um, he left newcastle very early on wednesday and then a timeline built up of his movements. um, croydon for 3730 clapham south tube. king's cross . at 8 am. tube. king's cross. at 8 am. and they admitted he's gone off radar. we need the public's help

whilst the call at the end there and he ended, he said, with a personal plea and that being abdul , you personal plea and that being abdul, you need medical help . abdul, you need medical help. you are very badly injured and do the right thing and hand yourself in. that's the latest on the manhunt for abdul ezedi still still at large. press, press announcement there from scotland yard . okay, now we can scotland yard. okay, now we can cross to ray addison for an update . who's in the area? ray, update. who's in the area? ray, what's the latest ? what's the latest? >> yes . hello, what's the latest? >> yes. hello, martin. good afternoon. well very personal appeal there as we've just heard from commanderjohn appeal there as we've just heard from commander john saville. saville rather on the steps of scotland yard that update on the manhunt for 35 year old abdul azizi. azizi and of course, a relief for many members of the pubuc relief for many members of the public following this case very, very closely to hear that the

two young girls, those daughters involved in this case, the eight year old and the three year old are not in a serious condition as we had previously thought, and not left . we are told in and not left. we are told in that statement with any life changing injuries and that will be particularly well , well heard be particularly well, well heard following those horrific descriptions of the injuries that the mother had received. and then, of course, the attack that took place on the younger daughter . we heard from the daughter. we heard from the witness saying how she had been lifted up like a pillow and then slammed into the ground. not once , but twice. and the witness once, but twice. and the witness describing to, to, to us how it made that sickening sound as she was thrown onto the ground not once, but twice . other details once, but twice. other details we've heard there . the mother we've heard there. the mother does remain in hospital. she's sedated, and it is thought that she will have, as originally stated, life changing in injuries. now, as as they were saying, there's a large team now

on this manhunt, not just in london, but of course, northumbria police well. um, northumbria police as well. um, those five search warrants being executed. i'm afraid we have to interrupt you now because we have to cross to . manchester have to cross to. manchester >> okay. the cps are making a statement now in manchester on the murder of brianna joy. >> messages between the two provided a terrifying insight into the warped desires of fantasies of the two defendants. however they also provided us with the motivation behind the attack. the plans and the attempts to cover it up . attempts to cover it up. >> crown prosecution service presented all the evidence in this case for the jury to consider, including the hateful and dehumanising language used to describe brianna . to describe brianna. >> we applied to the judge for an increase in the defendant's sentences because we believe this killing was a hate crime motivated in part by hostility towards brianna because she was transgender. towards brianna because she was transgender . we are pleased that transgender. we are pleased that the court has agreed that this

was a motive . today's sentence was a motive. today's sentence reflects the brutality of the two killers. heartless crime . two killers. heartless crime. and while it cannot erase the pain of brianna's loss, we hope it brings some closure . the it brings some closure. the crown prosecution service would again like to thank brianna's family for the courage and dignity they have shown throughout the proceedings, and our thoughts and sympathies remain with them at this difficult time . thank you . difficult time. thank you. >> okay, so let's come back to the studio now. lots to unpack them. still joined by peter bleksley . peter, can we talk bleksley. peter, can we talk first about the manhunt for abdul ezedi the press conference. their commander, john saville at new scotland yard , a significant manhunt yard, a significant manhunt under way? >> yes. i think commander saville told us a lot of what we might have expected of a manhunt where the fugitive is still at large, which, of course, he is. um, you know, he talks about a number of experienced detectives . yes, we would have expected that. we heard that search warrants have been executed .

warrants have been executed. five executed overnight at. and the movements of the car will, of course, that vehicle will have been tracked on automatic number plate recognition cameras. so they back tracked to when started his journey when he started his journey down. notice that there were, i would imagine , premises that he would imagine, premises that he probably visited and consequently they've gathered some further evidence in relation to the attack. it would seem. but the crucial point is, once again , the police are once again, the police are pleading for the public's help. they don't know where he is right now, here and now . a right now, here and now. a dangerous man. not to be approached. and of course, the commander made a personal appeal to hs2 to hand himself in. now, whether that's going to be of any use or not, we shall have to wait and see. but i just reiterate , in case viewers and reiterate, in case viewers and listeners haven't picked up on it, this man with this hugely significant and distinctive injury to the right hand side of his face, is not to be approached . if you see him

approached. if you see him wheresoever that may be, please pick up the phone, dial 999. >> and that was echoed by commander saville saying ring 999. do you think this is , um, 999. do you think this is, um, emblematic of a force that don't have any leads? i mean, if they if they're appealing to the pubuc if they're appealing to the public like this, is that effectively saying we don't know where he is, where is the total loss? or would there be something else going in the background? don't know about? background? we don't know about? what's yes. what's your experience? yes. >> i wouldn't describe the police i see it police as situation as i see it as being at a total loss at the moment. we know they've searched five premises, five different search warrants, executed . search warrants, executed. that's taken up some resources. they've clearly got some intelligence as to where azt may have been. and of course past behaviour is often a factor in future behaviour. so i would have expected them to visit address that he may possibly have visited in the very recent past . but as have visited in the very recent past. but as for have visited in the very recent past . but as for the here and past. but as for the here and now , as for his current location

now, as for his current location , clearly the metropolitan police don't know where that is significant. perhaps that has travelled on the victoria line , travelled on the victoria line, which would take him in a sort of south westerly direction from north london. anybody living on a tube station on that line, please be aware, please be somewhat cautious as you go about your business and if you see him once again, just pick up that phone straight away. >> seems astonishing. peter, in this day and age when there are cctv cameras everywhere on every carriage in the london underground, if a if a if a guy with and they did say they are releasing fresh pictures of him, they must have pictures. a guy with that degree of facial disfiguration and they know what he was wearing. he would have been very easily captured by cctv imagery on the underground. >> yes, but as so often is the case with somebody on run , case with somebody on the run, how successful they can be or otherwise evading capture depends on whether they've got any network supporting them . if any network supporting them. if he's on his own and he's

literally been cut loose because nobody wants to help him, then he's got a real challenge on his hands because he's going to need change of clothing somewhere asleep. food water, cash or access to funds. and if nobody is supplying him with that, he's going to be a desperate soul. if of course, he's got a network that are helping him in the ways i've just mentioned, and then thatis i've just mentioned, and then that is going to make the police's job increasingly difficult . difficult. >> okay, peter bleksley, thank you i think we you very much. and i think we can get back to our can cross now, get back to our manchester court the manchester crown court after the killers of brianna ghey were sentenced. us now gb sentenced. joining us now is gb news reporter sophie reaper. sophie. we just heard a statement from the cps. what's the latest ? the latest? >> well , they essentially were >> well, they essentially were recapping the case itself. they said it's perhaps one of the most disturbing. they've ever seen. she said that scarlett jenkinson and eddie ratcliffe were a deadly influence on one another, and that they turned dark fantasies into reality. they also confirmed that they

had applied for a harsher sentence for the two, because they believe that the crime they committed was a hate crime. of course, in the sentencing , we course, in the sentencing, we heard justice yip, addressing the sadism showed by scarlett jenkinson and the transphobia shown by eddie ratcliffe . cps shown by eddie ratcliffe. cps acknowledged the fact that as a result of that, they did appeal to have longer sentences and that that was granted . and now that that was granted. and now she also said that the sentence reflects the brutal guilty of the murder. we know that brianna ghey, after she was lured to linear park in warrington, that she was stabbed 28 times with a hunting knife in the neck, back and chest . justice ukip, in her and chest. justice ukip, in her sentencing discussed those wounds, saying how deep some of them had gone. it was really rather gratuitous and but she she finished her statement. the lady from cps , nicola lady from cps, nicola wynn—williams. she concluded by saying although she knew it

couldn't erase the loss of brianna, she hoped that it would bnng brianna, she hoped that it would bring some closure to the families. we have just seen brianna's father, peter spooner, exiting the court. i'm sure that her mother, esther, will be leaving shortly as well. of course, a really quite horrific time for them, but i'm sure now they'll be going home today hoping to feel some sort of closure. of course, there are their daughter's murderers , now their daughter's murderers, now sentenced to 22 years minimum for scarlet jenkinson and 20 years minimum for eddie ratcliffe . hopefully now knowing ratcliffe. hopefully now knowing that their daughter's murderers will be behind bars for at least two decades, will bring them some sort of closure . some sort of closure. >> and sophie, as the parents departed the area for, was there any significant sign of emotion from them ? they've been through from them? they've been through the most horrendous situation we saw when they when these murderers originally murderers were originally sentenced jenkins and sentenced. jenkins and ratcliffe, victim impact ratcliffe, those victim impact statements were incredibly statements were just incredibly moving . in fact, when i reported

moving. in fact, when i reported on it, i found myself reduced to tears . that really doesn't tears. that really doesn't surprise me, martin. >> in the court, we all were feeling the emotions as well. the judge even commented on the atmosphere in the room. how? how heartbreaking it really , heartbreaking it was. it really, truly was really quite poignant . truly was really quite poignant. and as i mentioned before, esther, brianna's mother, was unable to read her statement out loud today and that had to be done for her. we also heard a statement from brianna's sister, which i thought was was was truly heartbreaking . she said truly heartbreaking. she said that she learned to grow with brianna, and now that brianna was gone, she felt that she wouldn't be able to grow anymore i >> -- >> okay, sophie, rebirth . thank >> okay, sophie, rebirth. thank you for that update from outside manchester crown court. and of course, this is the sentencing of the murderers of brianna ghey scarlett jenkinson . a minimum scarlett jenkinson. a minimum terms of 22 years. her

accomplice , eddie ratcliffe, accomplice, eddie ratcliffe, a minimum terms of 20 years. years um serving was mrs. justice yip at manchester crown court started off by saying no one will ever know what brianna was capable of . the parents loss is capable of. the parents loss is unimaginable . able detailed 28 unimaginable. able detailed 28 deep stab wounds to the head , deep stab wounds to the head, neck and back. defensive injuries showed that brianna had tried to defend herself until the end. details. you cannot imagine any parent ever , ever imagine any parent ever, ever hearing. of course we'll have a full update on this story throughout the next two hours. on the show. um, but please stay with us. um an astonishing case. now we're going to your weather a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> afternoon, i'm alex deakin.

this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news, a bright and blustery day on saturday across the north, a mild day in the south and in between there will be some thicker cloud and outbreaks of rain, courtesy of this weather front, which is slicing between high pressure to the south and low pressure to the north, bringing thicker cloud and a bit of rain as it trickles south through northern ireland, southern scotland, northern england, overnight still very gusty the moment gusty at the moment over northeast england and southeast scotland. the winds will steadily ease staying very steadily ease but staying very windy the far north, with windy in the far north, with more showers here in the far south it stays very mild with temperatures . remaining in temperatures. remaining in double digits. in fact, most of england and wales will hold up at 9 or 10 celsius a little colder. further north, but still very blustery here on saturday. more showers to across more showers to come across the highlands isles, highlands and the western isles, but sunshine for southern but some sunshine for southern and of and eastern scotland. much of northern of northern ireland and much of northern well. quite northern england as well. quite dull and damp in west wales. and dunng dull and damp in west wales. and during some of that rain during the day some of that rain may spread up across parts

may spread back up across parts of into east of northern england into east anglia. of south, anglia. much of the south, though, just dry but fairly drab. mild. however, drab. mild mild. however, temperatures into temperatures getting into the teens, feel further teens, a colder feel further north. sees some patchy north. sunday sees some patchy rain spreading from wales to northern ireland and turning damp in western parts of scotland, but probably not much rain. getting the east coast rain. getting to the east coast again . much south just again. much of the south just dry and cloudy. it will be quite windy throughout the weekend but it's going to stay mild with temperatures again in the teens . temperatures again in the teens. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers spot of weather up. boxt boilers spot of weather on gb news as

i >> -- >> good afternoon and welcome to gb news. it's 4:00, and i'm martin daubney now. in the last hour, martin daubney now. in the last hour , the killers of teenager hour, the killers of teenager brianna jai have been sentenced . brianna jai have been sentenced. scarlett jenkinson was given a minimum terme of 22 years in prison . her accomplice, eddie prison. her accomplice, eddie ratcliffe , was sentenced to ratcliffe, was sentenced to a minimum of 20 years. i love reaction to that horrific story. throughout the hour . reaction to that horrific story. throughout the hour. i'll reaction to that horrific story. throughout the hour . i'll also throughout the hour. i'll also have an update on the for search the suspects and the chemical attack abdul ezedi now it's time for your latest news headlines with sophia wenzler.

>> thanks, martin. good afternoon. it's 4:00. i'm sofia wenzler in the gb newsroom . some wenzler in the gb newsroom. some breaking news in the last hour. two teenagers who killed brianna gheyin two teenagers who killed brianna ghey in what the judge described as a sadistic and brutal stabbing have both been given a life sentence for murder . 16 life sentence for murder. 16 year old scarlett jenkinson will serve a minimum tum of 22 years. eddie ratcliffe, also 16, will serve a minimum terme of 20 years. the teenagers committed the murder in broad daylight on the murder in broad daylight on the 11th of february last year, stabbing brianna 23 times in a park . in victim statements read park. in victim statements read to the court earlier, brianna's family described both killers as two predators stalking their prey and called them pure evil. judge amanda ukip told manchester crown court that brianna's injuries showed that she was killed with exceptional brutality . some more breaking

brutality. some more breaking news a manhunt is still underway for suspected chemical attacker abdul ezedi. he was last seen boarding an underground train on the victoria line. police say the victoria line. police say the 31 year old mother, who was attacked, is still sedated in hospital with life changing injuries . it comes after rishi injuries. it comes after rishi sunak says foreign criminals should not be allowed to stay in the uk following the manhunt for the uk following the manhunt for the refugee and sex offender abdullah zaidi. police commander john saville gave a statement earlier and called on azady to hand himself in. >> if you've seen azadi or you know where he is, then i urge you please to contact our hotline, which is, oh (207) 175—2784. or of course, you can phone crime stoppers if you can phone crime stoppers if you think you've seen azadi. now do not approach him. ring 999 and we will be there urgently . and we will be there urgently. we need the public's help to

trace azadi . it's really trace azadi. it's really important a student who ran over and killed her fiance after she lost her temper following an argument between them, has been sentenced to life in prison. >> alison wood will serve a minimum tum of 18 years for the murder of ryan watson . the 24 murder of ryan watson. the 24 year old was found guilty of killing ryan, also 24, following a trial at chester crown court last month . he was hit by a ford last month. he was hit by a ford fiesta. alice was driving near their home in cheshire, which she had claimed was a tragic accident . now, in some other accident. now, in some other news coming to us in the last houn news coming to us in the last hour, a man has died after falling from the tate modern near the river thames in london. police air ambulance and paramedics attended the scene but despite the efforts, the man died at the scene. the metropolitan police says enquiries are underway to identify the man. the death is currently being treated as unexpected but is not thought to be suspicious and charges against greta thunberg have been thrown out in court. >> the climate campaigner has

appeared at westminster magistrates court for a public order offence after protesting in london last year. >> she was arrested during the demonstration near mayfair in october as oil executives met for energy intelligence for the energy intelligence forum. howeverjudge for the energy intelligence forum. however judge john for the energy intelligence forum. howeverjudge john law said today that police had tried to impose unlawful conditions dunng to impose unlawful conditions during the protest. greta and four other activists pleaded not guilty in november to blocking the entrance to the meeting . the entrance to the meeting. there are fresh warnings of potential human rights breaches on the bibby stockholm barge, as asylum seekers face what's being described as claustrophobic conditions. the home affairs select committee says cramped living conditions are contributing to a decline in mental some residents mental health for some residents . the cost of housing, asylum claimants on the barge is £120 per person, per night. it comes as the home office has asked for an emergency £2.6 billion, after spending more than expected on asylum accommodation , given in asylum accommodation, given in a written statement , james written statement, james cleverly made the request for contingency fund advance last

yeah contingency fund advance last year. the government spent around £8 million a day for migrant accommodation , with migrant accommodation, with official figures showing more than 50,000 were housed in hotel rooms and the government is offering a £1,000 sign on bonus for those to join the childcare sector. it's part of a £65 million recruitment scheme and comes just two months before the first phase of a flagship child care expansion. it follows the chancellor's announcement in march last year, eligible families of children as young as nine months will be able to claim 30 hours of free childcare a week. children and families minister david johnston told us. the government is giving working families the support they need when children are between 0 and 5 years old. >> a huge proportion of their brain development happens up to 80% of their brain development , 80% of their brain development, and that has a big role on what happens to them as children. young people then as adults. young people and then as adults. and so the biggest reason for people look at this is people to look at this sector is the huge difference they can make children the earliest

make to children at the earliest stage, we've already seen over 102,000 parents claim this new offer, which is really strong demand, and it shows us that this is something that that people out there really want. and that's going to make a huge difference to their family finances . finances. >> and for all the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts . common alerts. >> so welcome to the show and we start with the tragic murder of brianna ghey. and in the last hour, brianna ghey. and in the last hour , eddie ratcliffe and hour, eddie ratcliffe and scarlett jenkinson have been sentenced. jenkinson must serve a minimum of 22 years. ratcliffe, meanwhile , her ratcliffe, meanwhile, her accomplice, was given a minimum of 20 years. let's cross now to manchester crown court and speak to gb news reporter sophie sophie reaper. sophie, you're in the court. when the judgement was passed down, what was the

reaction ? reaction? >> well, for the two murderers in the room , jenkinson and in the room, jenkinson and ratcliffe, there really was no kind of reaction throughout the sentence . seeing there was the sentence. seeing there was the odd nervous twitch. jenkinson was twiddling with her thumbs as ratcliffe was nervously bouncing his knees up and down. but once justice yip told them their sentences, 22 years minimum for jenkinson, 20 years minimum for ratcliffe, there was no real outward reaction whatsoever . outward reaction whatsoever. however, now today , on the day however, now today, on the day of the sentencing, it is just nine days until the one year anniversary of brianna ghey death . and it's quite poignant death. and it's quite poignant that today they've been sentenced to those respective sentences. but here's a little reminder about this case, which truly shocked the nation . truly shocked the nation. teenage murderers scarlet jenkins and eddie ratcliffe , jenkins and eddie ratcliffe, known until now as girl x and

boy y, have finally had their identities revealed to the pubucin identities revealed to the public in february of last year, the then 15 year old carefully planned and executed the brutal murder of trans gender teenager brianna j . a piece of paper brianna j. a piece of paper found in scarlett's bedroom outlined the details of their plot to kill the pair lured their victim to linear park in warrington under the pretence of taking drugs . there. brianna taking drugs. there. brianna would be stabbed 28 times with a hunting knife belonging to eddie . her body was discovered by a couple who had simply gone to the park to walk their dog, but instead had to make the 999 call, which would later be used as part of the prosecution's case against jenkinson and ratcliffe . ratcliffe. >> you are under arrest on suspicion of murder. >> you are under arrest on suspicion of murder . obviously suspicion of murder. obviously you are under caution, so anything you say is getting recorded . recorded.

>> okay, maybe a suspect is because, like, i was lost at sea in the world. like how how come suspect ? how come i'm a suspect ? suspect? how come i'm a suspect? >> how come you're a suspect? >> how come you're a suspect? >> because i'm lost person at sea and you. >> eddie. yeah. eddie. a lot of suspicion and murder. all right? do anything, but you may do not say anything, but you may harm defence. you don't harm your defence. you don't mention questioned, mention when questioned, she later and if you later lie in court. and if you do so, be evidence to understand. we're going their understand. we're going in their trial at manchester crown court, the two teens turned against one another, the other another, each blaming the other for death. for brianna's death. >> the end, the jury >> but in the end, the jury found guilty of her found them both guilty of her murder. sophie reaper. gb news. now, we heard there that throughout the trial back in december that both jenkinson and ratcliffe pleaded not guilty and instead blamed the other. but one interesting thing that came out of court today is that scarlett jenkinson has now admitted to her part in brianna's murder. now we heard from justice yip that , in fact, from justice yip that, in fact, she's given several varied

versions on this story. but that she she, in one version, said that eddie had thrown brianna to the floor. he then stabbed her 3 or 4 times, but then panicked. so then scarlett snatched the knife from him and continued the job herself. she's admitted that this is something she found satisfying and exciting , as she satisfying and exciting, as she also said that it was her plan to take a token of brianna away. some flesh or an eyeball, perhaps. so really rather horrifying details that have emerged today here at manchester crown court a sophie reaper thanks for joining us crown court a sophie reaper thanks forjoining us on this thanks for joining us on this astonishing case. >> thanks for that update. and joining me now is the former metropolitan police senior investigating officer, peter kirk, and peter , welcome to the kirk, and peter, welcome to the show. an astonishing case judgement passed down. summing up earlier, mrs. justice yip at manchester crown court serving out 22 years for jenkins and 20 years for ratcliffe and clearly

saying this was premeditated cold calculated a murder of a particularly sadistic and brutal nature . scarlett's primary nature. scarlett's primary motive was your deep desire to kill and eddie. you actively participate in this sadistic murder . do participate in this sadistic murder. do you feel peter , that murder. do you feel peter, that today justice has been served ? today justice has been served? >> justice has been served? whether or not the people think that the sentence is appropriate is another matter entirely . but is another matter entirely. but but justice is the public investigation of the facts and the public sentencing of the individuals. uh, in accordance with the criminal justice system . so to that extent, justice has definitely been served . uh, definitely been served. uh, anybody who looks at the sentence and says, oh, i think this is a bit light, um, which they may well do , uh, needs to they may well do, uh, needs to bearin they may well do, uh, needs to bear in mind a couple of things. um, first of all, if they listen

to the judge's sentence in remarks, she spoke for about half an hour from just before 3:00 onwards. um she covered any number of different aspects of the case, and you cannot , uh, the case, and you cannot, uh, but say that her, uh, approach to it was thorough . uh, she has to it was thorough. uh, she has got sentencing guidelines issued by parliament that she has to operate within, uh, and taking all those things together, um, personal. i think it's about right . um, personal. i think it's about right. um, the personal. i think it's about right . um, the second thing they right. um, the second thing they need to bear in mind is that this is a minimum period before parole is considered. so they will serve the whole of that 20 and 22 years. and then they'll have to apply for parole . um, have to apply for parole. um, and that parole will only be granted if and when the authorities are satisfied. they're no longer a danger to the public. and in practice, what that usually means is, um, at least some time, in addition to those minimum tariffs before

they're actually released, if they're actually released, if they're ever released at all, they're ever released at all, they could remain in prison for they could remain in prison for the rest of their lives. so so you need to bear in mind those those caveats , really, if you those caveats, really, if you think the sentence is light. but certainly justice has been served in that, uh , the facts served in that, uh, the facts have been examined and they've been convicted and they have been convicted and they have been sentenced, certainly in the ballpark of reasonable sentences i >> -- >> and peter kirk . mrs. justice >> and peter kirk. mrs. justice yeah >> and peter kirk. mrs. justice year. peggy was an incredibly meticulous , thorough and meticulous, thorough and detailed analysis of how she reached her decision and she took into account this key point of scarlet in particular. she said, you have lied so many times , it's impossible to know times, it's impossible to know what's even true . and she said, what's even true. and she said, clearly you even suggested that you want to kill again . you have you want to kill again. you have shown no remorse . yes

shown no remorse. yes >> shown no remorse. yes >> so i mean, those sorts of things mark it out as a somewhat unusual case. we rarely see such deliberate and, uh, pre—planned and talked about and thought about out and planned about, uh , about out and planned about, uh, murders taking place. we see lots of murders, but they tend to be spur of the moment sort of things. uh, things where someone has, um, got involved in something and in some sort of rage produces a weapon and someone dies or , um, they're someone dies or, um, they're involved in some sort of criminal enterprise and someone dies. and it wasn't really the plan from the outset. it's quite rare to find something like this where someone has planned for some time . where someone has planned for sometime. um, uh, and some time. um, uh, and attempted. i believe, um, attempted. i believe, um, attempted or intended to carry out the plan. they'd come up with, um, only for it to be thwarted by, um , brianna not thwarted by, um, brianna not sort of responding to text messages or whatever. and then

they have another go. um, and so this sort of , they have another go. um, and so this sort of, um, pre—planned approach to murder is fortunately very rare, but it makes for a very difficult situation in relation to what do you do with these people , uh, you do with these people, uh, who think like that and operate like that? >> and peter , a particularly >> and peter, a particularly fascinating tranche of the evidence that mrs. justice yip was telling us of off the back of the local cocaine case, the mitigating circumstances, the potential for mental illness, an excellent summary, she said that scarlet was suffering from a severe form of conduct, social disorder. but she said that you were more than able to plan knowing what you were doing was criminal. she detailed that scarlet was not mature, had been self—harming, anorexia and self—harming, had anorexia and autism when she was younger , and autism when she was younger, and also an adhd diagnosed nhs's but discounted that to one side, putting the primary um notion on

the fact she knew what she was doing and she actually wanted to doing and she actually wanted to do it . exactly do it. exactly >> uh, where people have got mental illnesses and mental disorders . mental illnesses and mental disorders. um, sometimes it will remove some sort of degree of culpability from them. it may get in the way of the required intent that's needed to convict for a certain offence . and in for a certain offence. and in the case of murder, you need to show an intent to kill or an intent to cause really serious harm. well, that was plainly there , not just from one off there, not just from one off comment made, but from a series of comments , uh, and things of comments, uh, and things written down. so there's no doubt about the recollection of the words spoken or anything like that. and so sometimes a mental disorder will get in the way of proving an intent, and sometimes a mental disorder will amount to a full defence. um, in amount to a full defence. um, in a variety of circumstances that are quite rare. um but, you know, we've seen recently where,

um, a murder charge was, um, allowed to proceed by the prosecution to a plea of guilty to manslaughter. um, and there was the discussion of whether or not the mental illnesses of that individual , not the mental illnesses of that individual, um, were rightly taken into account in terms of interfering with the ability to prove murder to the degree that manslaughter was appropriate. every case is different and every case must be tested on its facts. just because someone has a particular disorder doesn't automatically mean they will, or they will not, um, be liable for their actions to the criminal degree . um, here we have seen degree. um, here we have seen the judge, despite knowing everything she could possibly know about them. and some things are just not knowable. um she's come to the conclusion that, yes, they're both culpable and quite rightly too. if you ask me. >> okay, peter kirk , um, former

>> okay, peter kirk, um, former metropolitan police senior investigating officer. thank you for your expert analysis of that. and for more reaction to this. i'm now joined in the studio by the conservative mp for shipley, philip davies . for shipley, philip davies. philip, thank you so much for joining us. i want to ask you a question about the premeditation of this. clearly lots of planning . of this. clearly lots of planning. um, of this. clearly lots of planning . um, scarlett jenkinson planning. um, scarlett jenkinson kept detailed dossiers of serial killers. she was obsessed with the details of how jeffrey dahmer killed, uh, they spent time on the dark web. eddie ratcliffe, obsessed with knives, a kick boxer . ratcliffe, obsessed with knives, a kick boxer. and ratcliffe, obsessed with knives, a kick boxer . and yet ratcliffe, obsessed with knives, a kick boxer. and yet , ratcliffe, obsessed with knives, a kick boxer. and yet, i ratcliffe, obsessed with knives, a kick boxer. and yet , i want to a kick boxer. and yet, i want to ask you about this , this this ask you about this, this this thorny topic of nature versus nurture . where can you learn to nurture. where can you learn to be a killer like this ? by what be a killer like this? by what you absorb, what you read, what you absorb, what you read, what you see on the internet, or philip , is there something more philip, is there something more intrinsic , something deeper, intrinsic, something deeper, something evil ? something evil? >> well, it's a good question ,

martin. >> i don't know if i know the answer . i >> i don't know if i know the answer. i suspect >> i don't know if i know the answer . i suspect it's >> i don't know if i know the answer. i suspect it's an element of both nature and nurture. >> i suspect it's you end up being the person you are based on nature and on your upbringing , i guess. >> i mean, it's quite i mean, this is awfully evil. i mean, you know, i can't be the only person who, uh, is struck by the thought that there's sort of like the modern day myra hindley and, um, uh, you know, and she, she seems sort of particularly evil all, um, you know, and whether they're the new, uh , whether they're the new, uh, myra hindley and brady, i don't know, but they certainly certainly strikes you that way. it's they are clearly just evil people . people. >> um, whether how that's come about, lord only knows. >> um, i personally think they've got away quite lightly with those minimum tariffs. >> to be perfectly honest, you couldn't them couldn't possibly give them any lesson that and still face lesson that and we still face the prospect . the prospect. >> uh, mean, i tossed the key >> uh, i mean, i tossed the key away personally because we still face they face the prospect that they could leave prison at a could still leave prison at a relatively young age . relatively young age. >> and that, to me, would be completely unacceptable. >> okay. thanks for that stick

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>> it's coming up to 424. you're watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news who's now a suspect, a chemical attacker has been urged to do the right thing and hand himself into the police after officers found significant and important evidence during five searches. after causing significant injuries to a mother and daughter in clapham. the 35 year old abdul ezedi was last seen at 9 pm. on wednesday night on the victoria tube line heading south out of london. we now know he had been rejected by asylum twice and granted it the third time after being convicted of a sexual offence back in 2018. and after having converted to christianity . well, i'm to christianity. well, i'm joined now in the studio by our political editor, christopher

hope, and also the conservative mp for shipley, philip davies. still with me. phil, let's go to you first. chris so the details of that press conference for those who missed it from commander john saville at new commanderjohn saville at new scotland yard, the mother, very poorly, the mother is sedated and will have life changing injuries. the children got off slightly luckier , shall we say. slightly luckier, shall we say. no. they were traumatised for many, many years to come, but they are not as poorly and they do not. it is thought , have life do not. it is thought, have life changing injuries. however he's still at large. the police are appealing for him to turn himself in, but the conversation now inevitably , chris has now inevitably, chris has already turned to why. how on earth can a man with a previous track record for sexual offences be granted asylum in the united kingdom at the third time of asking, after a sexual offence? >> he said that yes, it is. it is extraordinary. um you have got people who aren't in

government. on the tory side. robert jenrick former immigration minister calling for an immediate investigation of his situation. a detailed his asylum situation. a detailed review by the home secretary , um review by the home secretary, um suella braverman, is concerned . suella braverman, is concerned. we will hear from philip davies shortly, um who have shortly, who's, um who have things to on this number 10 things to say on this number 10 for parties, saying it's for its parties, saying it's a live investigation. live police investigation. nothing. now can help nothing. they say now can help the politics will out when the politics will play out when this man is caught. they point out that there are rules at the moment. if you are sentenced for a crime for more than 12 months in you shouldn't be in prison, you shouldn't be given asylum. some will say that's a bare minimum, but that's a bare minimum, but that's the are at the that's what the rules are at the moment. if you arrive here, moment. and if you arrive here, um, illegally, you you should be deported. we know about the rwanda the rwanda bill going through the house the moment. house of lords at the moment. that's politics. but whether that's the politics. but whether that lasts, i think this could be for turning point in be for many a turning point in the country deals with the way this country deals with asylum individual asylum seekers. this individual came afghanistan, came from from afghanistan, you know, looked a genuine know, he looked like a genuine case. but his behaviour when he got here was was not appropriate. argue . appropriate. you could argue. and question marks and there were question marks about on he was about why on earth he was allowed stay in britain to

allowed to stay in britain to christianity was a reason, because he might risk persecution went to persecution if he went back to his homeland, one would his homeland, when one would assume details are assume again the details are emerging. it is, i think, in emerging. but it is, i think, in an election this an election year this will become totemic story . become a totemic story. >> well, that's a key point. i can now philip davies. can turn now to philip davies. phil a lot of people are saying that the abdul ezedi is the embodiment of everything that's wrong with the british asylum system. he came in illegally on a lorry. um, he was refused asylum twice . a known criminal asylum twice. a known criminal of a sexual nature. two separate offences. one a sexual assault, one, we believe, for flashing . one, we believe, for flashing. um. he then goes to on get asylum after the third time, after suddenly becoming a christian. a lot of people today are saying, what's the point of the british asylum system if people like this are allowed to stay in the country ? stay in the country? >> um, i'd agree with them. i mean, it's an it's an absolute disgrace to be perfectly honest. >> i mean, this is this is the defining political issue of our times. >> in my opinion, the whole

issue of immigration and asylum and that is now and asylum, i think that is now the defining political issue. and we have got to get this sorted out one way, one way or the other. the problem is for too many years, we've had sort of these do gooders, whether of all these do gooders, whether it's vicars in the in the church of england vouching for somebody to changing to to changing, turning to christianity avoid christianity in order to avoid them being deported, need them being deported, they need to hanging their in to be hanging their heads in shame whoever that shame today, whoever that whoever happened to be whoever that happened to be in this particular case, you know, we labour mp stop trying we had the labour mp stop trying to stop planes flying to to stop planes flying off to jamaica criminals and jamaica full of criminals and all the rest of it, and sending letters. >> we've got to get rid of this do gooding kind of attitude where people the where allowing people into the country idea they country with no idea who they are, what are, what they're are, what they are, what they're capable doing, quite capable of doing, and quite frankly , the have quite frankly, the public have quite rightly enough . rightly had enough. >> enough. >> i've had enough. >> i've had enough. >> my colleagues have >> lots of my colleagues have had enough. the had enough. i suspect the government's uh, the government's had enough. uh, the officials . in the home office, officials. in the home office, i think, have been running riots and ministers, succession of ministers haven't really got to gnps ministers haven't really got to grips with it. we can't afford

this to carry on any longer. these people shouldn't be allowed country. they allowed into the country. they should be deported straight away. reasons should be deported straight awaythe reasons should be deported straight awaythe rwanda reasons should be deported straight awaythe rwanda policyasons should be deported straight awaythe rwanda policy is)ns should be deported straight awaythe rwanda policy is so why the rwanda policy is so important, can get them important, so we can get them straight a plane and straight straight on a plane and straight out. that policy is out. it's why that policy is absolutely but can't absolutely crucial. but we can't have situation where where have a situation where where people nationals. people are foreign nationals. you're somebody you're talking like somebody who's not in government. >> not, nobody. who's not in government. >> are not, nobody. who's not in government. >> are your not, nobody. who's not in government. >> are your party, nobody. who's not in government. >> are your party, ncknow, you are your party, your know, you'll running the country you'll be running the country for 14 years. you sound like, uh, like a viewer upset about this, you're in government. this, but you're in government. why you or your you this, but you're in government. why the you or your you this, but you're in government. why the pm u or your you this, but you're in government. why the pm last your you this, but you're in government. why the pm last night you this, but you're in government. why the pm last night at you this, but you're in government. why the pm last night at bigou with the pm last night at big glamorous bash in leicester square? sort it out? >> yeah, well, i to be >> yeah, well, i think to be fair, i think the prime minister is sorting it out. >> hasn't in office for >> he hasn't been in office for 14 years. >> mean, we had five years of >> i mean, we had five years of a had a couple of a coalition. we had a couple of years of no tories have no majority. well that was a coalition, a couple of years of no majority parliament. no majority in parliament. you've remember that in you've got to remember that in those years. but yes, i those 14 years. but yes, i agree, this is this is this this has far too long. has been going on far too long. it should have been out. it should have been sorted out. it should have been sorted out. i sunakis it should have been sorted out. i sunak is sorting i think rishi sunak is sorting it that's why the rwanda it out. that's why the rwanda bill important. um, and

bill so important. um, and that's why i suspect that issue will probably become really will probably become a really big general big issue at the general election about why it's so important that soon people important that as soon as people arrive country illegally, important that as soon as people arrihave country illegally, important that as soon as people arrihave somewhere illegally, important that as soon as people arrihave somewhere illsendy, important that as soon as people arrihave somewhere illsend them, we have somewhere to send them, because you've got to because of course, you've got to remember, lots of these people come destroy their documents. >> you've documents. >> so you know, you've got nowhere send them back to. nowhere to send them back to. >> you have to send them to a third country. and that's why rwanda important. and rwanda is so important. and i suspect keir starmer is going to come hell of a lot of come under a hell of a lot of pressure election because pressure in the election because his is absolutely his policies is to do absolutely nothing people, nothing with these people, because he's got nowhere to send them okay them to. okay >> philip davies, chris, we have them to. okay >>leave3 davies, chris, we have them to. okay >>leave it)avies, chris, we have them to. okay >>leave it there. chris, we have them to. okay >>leave it there. and s, we have them to. okay >>leave it there. and just; have them to. okay >>leave it there. and just soave to leave it there. and just so you're aware, we you you're aware, we can show you now footage. gb news now some new footage. gb news viewers some new viewers can see some new footage. just released by the police of abdul al—zeidi in that press earlier, press conference earlier, commander that press conference earlier, com|will1er that press conference earlier, com|will be that press conference earlier, com|will be releasing that press conference earlier, com|will be releasing new that they will be releasing new images. abdul images. there he is, abdul ezedl images. there he is, abdul ezedi. on the ezedi. he was on the underground. you can see significant the significant injuries to the right of his face. right hand side of his face. clearly um, some alkali clearly um, some of that alkali solution he used as a weapon was put upon himself. police put upon himself. the police commander you need commander said, abdul, you need medical help . do the right thing medical help. do the right thing and turn yourself in some may

say that's asking for quite a lot for this individual to do the right thing, but he is still at large. five search warrants have been issued in london, in east london and also in newcastle. yet for now , this man newcastle. yet for now, this man abdul ezedi still remains at large and the significant target of a police manhunt. now there's lots more still to come between now and 5:00, after mike freer announced yesterday that he's quitting as an mp after receiving death threats. in a few minutes, i'll speak to an expert who says islamism is destroying british democracy. but first, here's your latest news headlines with sophia wenzler . wenzler. >> thanks, martin. it's 431. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . the two teenagers who newsroom. the two teenagers who killed brianna ghey in what the judge described as a sadistic and brutal stabbing have both been given a life sentence for

murder. 16 year old scarlett jenkinson will serve a minimum tum of 22 years, and lee ratcliffe also 16, will serve a minimum tum of 20 years. the teenagers committed the murder in broad daylight on the 11th of february last year, stabbing brianna 23 times in a park. in victim statements read to the court earlier, brianna's family described both killers as two predators stalking their prey and called them pure evil . judge and called them pure evil. judge amanda yip told manchester crown court that brianna's injuries showed that she was killed with exceptional brutality . she exceptional brutality. she a manhunt is still underway for suspected chemical attacker and refugee abdul ezedi, as it's emerged officers have found significant and important new evidence. the metropolitan police have released a new image of a zeid, last seen at king's cross underground station on wednesday evening. police say the 31 year old mother, who was attacked, still sedated in attacked, is still sedated in hospital with changing hospital with life changing injuries. comes after rishi injuries. it comes after rishi sunak says foreign criminals should not be allowed to stay in

the uk following the manhunt. for a student who ran over and killed her fiance after she lost her temper following an argument between them, has been sentenced to life in prison . alice wood to life in prison. alice wood will serve a minimum tum of 18 years for the murder of ryan watson, the 24 year old was found guilty of killing ryan, also 24, following a trial at chester crown court last month . chester crown court last month. he was hit by a ford fiesta . he was hit by a ford fiesta. alice was driving near their home cheshire , which she had home in cheshire, which she had claimed tragic accident claimed was a tragic accident and a man has died after falling from the tate modern near the river thames in london. police air ambulance and paramedics attended the scene but despite the efforts , the man died at the the efforts, the man died at the scene. the gallery , which is one scene. the gallery, which is one of the most visited art museums in the world, will remain closed following the incident. the death currently being treated death is currently being treated as but is not as unexpected, but it is not thought be suspicious and thought to be suspicious and there are fresh warnings of potential human rights breaches on the bibby stockholm barge as asylum seekers face what's being

described as claustrophobe phobic conditions. the home affairs select committee says cramped living conditions are contributing to a decline in mental for some residents mental health for some residents . it follows confirmation from the home office that the cost of housing migrants on the barge is £120 per person, per night, and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news .com/ alerts . for to gb news .com/ alerts. for stunning gold and silver coins. >> you'll always value. rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . and news financial report. and here's a quick snapshot of today's markets. >> the pound will buy you $1.2652 and ,1.1716. the price of gold is £1,609.40 per ounce, and the ftse 100, at 7617 points. rosalind gold proudly

sponsors the gb news financial report , now . report, now. >> i spent much of yesterday's show talking about the shocking news that mike freer will stand down as a minister at the next election because of fears of his own public safety, freer said he received death threats from muslims against crusades. the justice minister also says he only avoided being murdered by terrorist ali harbi ali by the skin of his teeth. and of course, ali went on to kill fellow conservative mp sir david amess. well, doctor rakib hasan is a social policy analyst who's written an article for the telegraph today that has the frightening yet sobering headune frightening yet sobering headline islamism is destroying british democracy and raqib joy joins me now. thank you for joining us on the show. raqib is lviv is destroying british democracy. would you care to detail why you think that's the case? >> well, firstly, we have an mp

here who is ultimately being dnven here who is ultimately being driven out of politics as a result of islamist intimidation and harassment . and harassment. >> now, in the spirit of honesty , uh, martin, i would say that i have very different views to mike freer. >> uh, when it comes to israel, palestine . palestine. >> but the point is, is that we're talking about an mp who's been elected by his local constituents and returned to the commons on four consecutive occasions . and i believe that occasions. and i believe that being a part of being a mature british citizen is accepting the plurality of views over a range of domestic and geopolitical matters, including those of a decidedly sensitive nature. and i think that this is just yet another example of what i call the islamist inspired erosion of british parliamentary democracy . british parliamentary democracy. >> and it's not just parliamentary democracy , raqib parliamentary democracy, raqib that's being a road that we seeing multiple cases in our

schools. catherine birbalsingh at the michaela academy, um, death threats, bomb threats, smash windows after she introduced a muslim prayer ban the sparkly school in leyton, um, sent a pupil home for wearing a palestinian flag that's had bomb threats and of course, the batley grammar school teacher still in hiding over two years on and raqib . over two years on and raqib. there's a central ideology behind all of these incidents , behind all of these incidents, isn't there ? isn't there? >> well, i'd make the point that i'm personally a mayan, a member of a racial ethnic and religious minority, and i'm deeply appreciative of the rights, freedoms and protections which are allocated under british democracy . but i think the issue democracy. but i think the issue here is that those rights, protections and freedoms as they're being exploited in the name of religio political tribalism, they're not being appreciated by certain elements

of the british muslim population in in line with the common good. and i think that is a very serious problem. and as you say, um, it's not just politicians under threat , it's also schools. under threat, it's also schools. you see that islamist intimidation . and i make the intimidation. and i make the point that some of the stories which have emerged from michaela school, uh, is that you had muslim pupils, uh, coerced being, uh, co religious peers into participating into various forms of religious activity . and forms of religious activity. and i think the point to make there is that there's islamist intimidation, not just towards non—muslims, but also within british muslim communities. >> okay, raqib, you're very eloquently identified the problem . what's the solution? do problem. what's the solution? do we need new laws or do we have existing laws? but yet there's a reluctance, there's a fear to actually enforce and police them . well, i think that there's a culture of political correctness, but also fear within our public institutions when it comes to tackling, um,

islamic activity in the public sphere . sphere. >> i think you've certainly seen that with the policing of recent protests which have taken place in london, where there has been anti—semitic chanting, as well as the displaying of pro terror paraphernalia . uh, and i also paraphernalia. uh, and i also think a real issue here is that many of these, uh, tribal ideologues , they managed to worm ideologues, they managed to worm their way into state institutions , taxpayer funded institutions, taxpayer funded bodies . and i think that's even bodies. and i think that's even the case when it comes to institutions , um, in the law and institutions, um, in the law and order space. so what we need, we actually need a full audit exploring people's potential links with problematic organisations and indeed extremist organisations , which extremist organisations, which may be prescribed by the home office . and they need to be office. and they need to be weeded out of the british state, and they need to be disempowered and they need to be disempowered and think, crucially, make and i think, crucially, i'd make this martin need to this point. martin we need to break this break away from this multicultural where multicultural model where we empower community empower our so—called community leaders who are anything but representative of of the representative of the of the communities belong to . communities that they belong to. >> rakib hasan, thank you >> okay, rakib hasan, thank you for joining us on the show,

speaking out bravely, speaking out about the threat of islamist extremism in britain. thank you very much for joining extremism in britain. thank you very much forjoining us on the very much for joining us on the show . now, the french farmers show. now, the french farmers protests, they are working . vive protests, they are working. vive la revolution, because emmanuel macron has been forced into a major climbdown by opposing an eu deal with south american countries. they've had a result. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel

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efforts by the french are working . emmanuel macron has working. emmanuel macron has been forced into a major climbdown by opposing an eu deal with south american countries, while the spirit of la revolucion is alive and i'm joined now live from paris by journalist david chazan . david, journalist david chazan. david, thank you for joining journalist david chazan. david, thank you forjoining us. so thank you for joining us. so we've been covering this story with huge interest from this side of the channel. um, la tractor boys first went onto paris, then they headed to brussels and it seems it's had an immediate and effective impact. talk us through that . impact. talk us through that. >> well, it certainly does, martin, because the french government's been forced to cough up hundreds of millions of euros in additional aid . and euros in additional aid. and they've also done a u—turn on a plan that would have halved the amount of pesticides used on french farms . that's been french farms. that's been shelved for the time being. and president macron, of course, as you were saying in the intro, is

vetoing the so—called mercosur free trade deal with south american countries . french american countries. french farmers were particularly concerned about . competition concerned about. competition from argentinian and brazilian beef and also other produce because, they say it's not being produced to the same standards in south america and the cost s are much lower. so they're saying that this is unfair. competition >> yeah. and david, it's a fair point. and it has echoes of brexit. dare i say it. this is a fair deal for french farmers being swamped by cheap imports from the continent from asia, from the continent from asia, from africa. they cannot compete. they're earning centimes , pennies. in comparison centimes, pennies. in comparison . they're going out of business. they've cried enough as enough andifs they've cried enough as enough and it's worked. how much is this to just make these bad opfics this to just make these bad optics go away, david? and how much of it is actually having

some rather significant european elections coming up in france ? elections coming up in france? >> yeah, the european elections in june are going to be very significant at the moment . significant at the moment. marine le pen's anti immigration party is polling very strongly for those elections. it seems set to win more seats than any other french political party. she and her party and other, uh, right wing groups have been trying to capitalise on the farmers protests by backing them very strongly . she and farmers protests by backing them very strongly. she and mr farmers protests by backing them very strongly . she and mr macron very strongly. she and mr macron is determined to minimise his losses, if you like, in the european elections. so that's another reason for these big concessions that he's had to make. but this goes far beyond france . remember these protests france. remember these protests beganin france. remember these protests began in the netherlands, then they went to germany , then they went to germany, then france. they've now spread to countries including poland,

romania , uh, bulgaria and all of romania, uh, bulgaria and all of these european farmers are concerned about unfair competition, but also so the eu's green agenda, which they say is unfairly penalising them by imposing burdensome environmental rules that are making it very difficult for them to turn a profit . and, of them to turn a profit. and, of course, they're also complaining about low prices being forced on them by the retail chains . and them by the retail chains. and that's something that the french government at least, is also promising to address. now david, can i ask you a lot of people in in britain, a lot of farmers, we've been speaking to throughout the week would like a bit this revolutionary spirit bit of this revolutionary spirit on british soil. >> what's reaction been like >> what's the reaction been like from the french public? because of course, the farmers initially tried to block all eight major routes paris. they they routes into paris. they they blocked the biggest food market in paris is the court of public

opinion, largely on side with the farmers? or are the french getting a bit fed up of it now? >> no. i think public opinion has been extremely supportive of the farmers. a lot of french people are saying, look, these are the people who put food on our tables. they're finding it hard to make ends meet. we need to do something about this problem. now, whether that actually translates into people being prepared to pay higher pnces being prepared to pay higher prices for food is a whole different matter . but for the different matter. but for the time being, yes , the farmers time being, yes, the farmers stopped short of carrying the protests to a point where food was running short in cities like paris. and so for the time being, the public is still on side. you know, who would have thought david chazan they say not all heroes wear capes, but who would have thought that heroes drive tractors ? heroes drive tractors? >> and they've been doing this across france, across germany, across france, across germany, across the netherlands, across poland . and this spirit,

across the netherlands, across poland . and this spirit , this poland. and this spirit, this defiance, making people understand that they need food, they need farmers don't take us for granted, david, this is the magnificent thing. >> well, i think it's raised pubuc >> well, i think it's raised public awareness of some of the difficulties of what we used to call global ization difficulties of what we used to call globalization and some of call global ization and some of the free trade deals that the eu is seeking to do, as well as its environmental rules and its certainly a bit of a wake up call for the eu, for the french government, for governments elsewhere , for um, and i think elsewhere, for um, and i think it's just brought home to them that they do need to take greater account of the demands and the needs of their own farmers and not just focus on the principles of very strict environmental rules and the desire to do new free trade deals. >> okay . david chazan, thank you

>> okay. david chazan, thank you for joining us live from paris. forjoining us live from paris. and i, for one, raise a glass to la tractor boys. now dozens of homes remain empty after being needlessly bought by hs2 before the birmingham to manchester line was scrapped . eight line was scrapped. eight residents left behind claimed they had been plagued by squatters and even cannabis factories . now locals in a factories. now locals in a village in staffordshire are campaigning for hs2 to sell the properties that they bought up. jack carson has this report . jack carson has this report. >> house after house, all of them empty in the quaint village of whitmore. the impact of hs2 bnngs of whitmore. the impact of hs2 brings a ghostly feel around 50 houses in madeley and whitmore in staffordshire were purchased by hs2 to make way for the second leg of the high speed railway from birmingham to manchester in the months and years since hs2 say 79% of lettable residential and agricultural properties in their portfolio are currently let. they say others are either being refurbished on the market, sit

held for construction or are not financially viable to bring up to a lettable standard. but now, with the second leg scrapped, i am ending this long running saga i >>i -- >>iam >> i am cancelling the rest of the hs2 project . the hs2 project. >> residents say they want their community back and here we have an empty house. >> it's been empty for two years. it's been chained up and we don't know what status this house is in. >> it's been when they're empty for two years, there's no heating . heating. >> it could be in any state whatsoever . whatsoever. >> for deborah mallinder has been campaigning against hs2 and whitmore for years, and they've caused a lot of problems for people. >> people have been forced out of their homes when they didn't want to go and some of these people have died shortly afterwards. >> cannabis farms and squatters have come here and none of that is good for the area. none of it looks good, sounds good, and we just can't understand how on earth could that possibly have happened when hs2 people were

supposed to be looking after them, but with properties still empty, deborah wants answers from hs2. >> people are thinking why haven't they been sold ? haven't they been sold? >> this is this is a community that should be up, thriving families should be here and going to the local schools and so on and involving themselves in local community projects of one sort or another, where are they? where are the families? why aren't these houses up for sale? >> in response to the concerns raised , a hs2 spokesperson told raised, a hs2 spokesperson told gb news all homes acquired for the hs2 project in madeley and whitmore heath were sold voluntarily , that is, without voluntarily, that is, without using any compulsory purchase powers. the allegation that anyone was forced out of their home is completely incorrect. they added that since 2019, three properties sold to the hs2 programme and let on the private rental market to help recoup costs to the taxpayer were targeted by cannabis growers in all cases, the police took

action after neighbours and an electricity supplier reported suspicious activity at the properties. hs2 takes the safety and security of the public and everyone involved with the project extremely seriously . for project extremely seriously. for deborah and this community, the scrapped second leg of hs2 leaves an emptiness that doesn't feel like it's going away. jack carson gb news whitmore now the killers of teenager brianna jai have been sentenced this afternoon. >> scarlet jenkinson was given a minimum of 22 years in prison. eddie ratcliffe, her accomplice, was sentenced to a minimum of 20 years. you've had loads and loads of emails coming in on this gene says. i think it's a disgrace. they got 22 years. they should have got a lot longer. life should mean life. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news . sponsors of weather on gb news. afternoon i'm alex deakin.

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gb news. >> good afternoon and welcome to gb news. >> it's 5 pm. and i'm martin daubney in the last few hours, the killers of teenager brianna ghey have been sentenced . ghey have been sentenced. scarlett jenkinson was given a minimum of 22 years in prison. her accomplice, eddie ratcliffe, was sentenced to a minimum of 20 years and will have the rest of the day's news as well. the manhunt for abdul ezedi, the man, the main suspect and the chemical attack is continuing . chemical attack is continuing. abdul was last seen boarding the victoria line tube heading south on wednesday night in london and police are appealing to the pubuc police are appealing to the public and there's a blow to home secretary james cleverly . a

home secretary james cleverly. a potential returns agreement to send migrants back to turkey appears unlikely now to go ahead after the home office said the country where millions of brits go on holiday isn't safe . go on holiday isn't safe. >> so, as usual, i'd love to hear from you. >> please email me your views. vaiews@gbnews.uk com those sentences of 22 years and 20 years for the murder of brianna ghey. do you think that's fair? do you think the justice has been served? and what about abdul ezedi? how did this guy get asylum at the third attempt in britain, after converting to christianity , despite the fact christianity, despite the fact he committed two sex offences . he committed two sex offences. please get in touch all the usual ways . but before all of usual ways. but before all of that, it's time for your latest news headlines with sophia wenzler . thank . you martin.

wenzler. thank. you martin. >> good afternoon. it's 5:01. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . two teenagers who newsroom. two teenagers who killed brianna ghey in what the judge described as sadistic and brutal stabbing have both been given a life sentence for murder . 16 year old scarlett jenkinson will serve a minimum tum of 22 years. eddie ratcliffe, also 16, will serve a minimum terme of 20 years. the teenagers committed the murder in broad daylight on the murder in broad daylight on the 11th of february last year, stabbing brianna 23 times in a park. in victim statements read to the court earlier, brianna's family described both killers as two predators stalking their prey and called them pure evil. judge amanda ukip told manchester crown court that brianna's showed she brianna's injuries showed she was killed with exceptional brutality . she a manhunt was killed with exceptional brutality. she a manhunt is still underway for suspected chemical attacker and refugee abdul ezedi, as it's emerged officers have found significant and important new evidence. police the 31 year old police say the 31 year old mother, who was attacked , is mother, who was attacked, is still in hospital with

still sedated in hospital with life changing injuries. it comes after rishi sunak says foreign criminals should not be allowed to stay in the uk following the manhunt . police commanderjohn manhunt. police commanderjohn saville gave a statement earlier and urged the public to help trace azady . trace azady. >> if you've seen azadi or you know where he is , then i urge know where he is, then i urge you please to contact our hotline , which . is hotline, which. is 020 7175 2784. or of course , you 020 7175 2784. or of course, you can phone crime stoppers if you think you've seen azadi. now do not approach him . ring 999 and not approach him. ring 999 and we will be there urgently . we we will be there urgently. we need the public's help to trace azadi . it's really important . azadi. it's really important. >> a student who ran over and killed her fiance after she lost her temper following an argument between them, has been sentenced to life in prison. alice wood will serve a minimum time of 18 years for the murder of ryan

watson . the 24 year old was watson. the 24 year old was found guilty of killing ryan, also 24, following a trial at chester crown court last month . chester crown court last month. he was hit by the ford fiesta alice was driving near their home cheshire , which had home in cheshire, which she had claimed accident . claimed was a tragic accident. but in other news, a man has died after falling from the tate modern near the river thames in london. police, air ambulance and paramedics attended the scene but despite the efforts, the man died at the scene . the the man died at the scene. the gallery, which is one of the most visited art museums in the world, will remain closed following incident. the following the incident. the death being treated death is currently being treated as , but it's not as unexpected, but it's not thought to suspicious and thought to be suspicious and there are fresh warnings of potential human rights breaches on the bibby stockholm barge as asylum seekers face what's being described as claustrophobic conditions , the home affairs conditions, the home affairs select committee says cramped living conditions are contributing to a decline in mental for health some residents, of housing residents, the cost of housing asylum claimants on the barge is £120 per person, per night. it comes as the home office has

asked for an emergency £2.6 billion after spending more than expected on asylum accommodation given last year. the government spent around £8 million a day for migrant accommodation , with for migrant accommodation, with official figures showing more than 50,000 were housed in hotel rooms and charges against greta thunberg have been thrown out in court. the climate campaigner has appeared at westminster magistrates court for public order offence after protesting in london last year. she was arrested during the demonstration near mayfair in october as oil executives met for the energy intelligence forum. howeverjudge for the energy intelligence forum. however judge john for the energy intelligence forum. howeverjudge john law said today that police had tried to impose unlawful conditions dunng to impose unlawful conditions during the protest. greta and four other activists pleaded not guilty in november to blocking the entrance to the meeting , and the entrance to the meeting, and the entrance to the meeting, and the government is offering a £1,000 sign on bonus for those to join childcare sector . it's to join childcare sector. it's part of a £65 million recruitment scheme and comes just two months before the first phase of a flagship childcare expansion. it follows the

chancellor's announcement in march last year that eligible families of children as young as nine months will be able to claim 30 hours of free childcare a week. children and families minister david johnston told us the government is giving working families the support they need when children are between nought and five years old. >> a huge proportion of their brain development happens up to 80% of their brain development , 80% of their brain development, and that has a big role on what happens to them as children. young people and then adults. young people and then as adults. and so the biggest reason for people to at this sector is people to look at this sector is the huge difference can the huge difference they can make to children at the earliest stage, seen over stage, we've already seen over 102,000 parent claim . this new 102,000 parent s claim. this new offer, which is really strong demand and it shows that this is something that that people out there really want and that's going to make a huge difference to their family finances. >> and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts. now it's back to . martin

alerts. now it's back to. martin >> now we start with the tragic murder of brianna ghey in the last hour. eddie ratcliffe and scarlett jenkinson have been sentenced. jenkinson must serve a minimum of 22 years, while ratcliffe , her accomplice, was ratcliffe, her accomplice, was given a minimum of 20 years. and let's cross now to manchester crown court and speak to gb news reporter sophie reaper. sophie, you were in court as justice. mrs. justice yip served sentence. what was the reaction in? well there was really no kind of reaction from jenkinson or ratcliffe , just the same as or ratcliffe, just the same as dunng or ratcliffe, just the same as during the trial in december. >> they showed no emotion there, no remorse . then, much to the no remorse. then, much to the chagrin of brianna ghey family. and it was a similar story here today. they seemed to show no kind of physical reaction

whatsoever when justice yip sentenced them throughout the sentencing process, we did see the odd fidget, the odd, the odd nervous twitch, but when she actually passed those sentences 22 years minimum for scarlett jenkinson and 20 years minimum for eddie ratcliffe , neither of for eddie ratcliffe, neither of them really showed any kind of emotion whatsoever . now this emotion whatsoever. now this murder was carried out almost a year to the day, nine years, nine days. sorry. and it will be the one year anniversary of brianna ghey chai's murder. so it's really quite poignant that they have now been sentenced. here's a little reminder of that tragic case. teenage murderers scarlett jenkinson and eddie ratcliffe, known until now as girl x and boy y, have finally had their identities revealed to the public in february of last year. the public in february of last year . the then 15 year the public in february of last year. the then 15 year old's carefully planned and executed the brutal murder of trans

gender teenager brianna ghey . a gender teenager brianna ghey. a piece of paper found in scarlett's bedroom outlined the details of their plot to kill the pair lured their victim to linear park in warrington under the pretence of taking drugs . the pretence of taking drugs. there. brianna would be stabbed 28 times with a hunting knife belonging to eddie . her body was belonging to eddie. her body was discovered by a couple who had simply gone to the park to walk their dog, but instead had to make the 999 call, which would later be used as part of the prosecution's case against jenkinson and ratcliffe . jenkinson and ratcliffe. >> you are under arrest on suspicion of murder. >> you are under arrest on suspicion of murder . obviously suspicion of murder. obviously you are under caution, so anything you say is getting recorded . recorded. >> okay, maybe a suspect is because, like i was saying, they're all like, how? how come suspect ? how? come on, how come suspect? how? come on, how come you're a suspect? because a masked person is saying, are you

eddie? yeah, eddie. >> a lot of suspicion of murder. all right. do not anything , all right. do not say anything, but harm your defence. but you may harm your defence. you mention when you don't mention when questioned, she later lie in court. you do say court. and if you do say evidence to understand. >> in trial at manchester >> in their trial at manchester crown teens crown court, the two teens turned each turned against one another, each blaming the for brianna's blaming the other for brianna's death . but in the end, the jury death. but in the end, the jury found them both guilty of her murder. sophie reaper gb news this is the justice now. during that sentencing today, justice yip said she considered the murder carried out by jenkinson and ratcliffe to be of particularly high seriousness and therefore, despite mitigations of mental health and their age both being 15 at the time and 16 now, it was that that led her to pass such high minimum terms sentences. she said to scarlett about the sadism that led her to carry out such a murder. she said, scarlett, you make up stories. you blur the lines between fantasy and real life . she added

fantasy and real life. she added you knew brianna was vulnerable and needed friendship, and you abused that. she then turned to eddie ratcliffe, who helped scarlett plan out and carry out the murder of brianna ghey as she spoke to him of his transphobia being what led him to partake in such a heinous crime . however, she did also crime. however, she did also discuss rehabilitation and how she hoped that they would both work harder. this, of course, they're both still relatively young, meaning that respectively, if they were to get out at the minimum, they would 36 and 38 years old. so would be 36 and 38 years old. so she said she hoped there was a chance for them. yet that one day, if they were no longer a danger to society, that they could well be released . could well be released. >> and sophie, are we expecting any comment from the parents recall before at the last heanng recall before at the last hearing , astonishingly moving hearing, astonishingly moving testimony , particularly from the testimony, particularly from the father and the mother, the father and the mother, the father saying he just despaired

how in brianna's final moments he wasn't able to be there to protect her. no words that i think you know , certainly i think you know, certainly i found extremely moving and the nature , the brutal detail of nature, the brutal detail of today, um, misses justice yip setting out that scarlett wanted to keep body parts and even suggested that she wanted to kill again . kill again. >> well, just to address your first question first about the parents of brianna ghey they have of course, throughout this entire process been very forthcoming with members of the press. they've given statements in court, they've given statements on the steps here behind me . statements on the steps here behind me. but i think today it was perhaps all a little bit too much. we saw brianna's father, peter, leaving in one direction, and not long after her mother esther left in the opposite direction without giving any kind of comment. so i think perhaps now they just want to take stock of what they've heard today and just have a bit of private time their families

private time with their families . terms of what we've . um, in terms of what we've heard today in courts, the really graphic details really rather graphic details you there hearing that you mentioned there hearing that scarlett perhaps wanted to scarlett had perhaps wanted to take a body part of brianna away with her. these details are incredibly disturbing . the crown incredibly disturbing. the crown prosecution service acknowledged this after those sentences today , saying it was perhaps one of the most disturbing cases they've ever had to deal with. of course, scarlett , uh, she had of course, scarlett, uh, she had kill list , the murder plan that kill list, the murder plan that was found in her bedroom. um, notes on various different serial killers. we know that she had access to the dark web and that she was. she said that she was even excited and satisfied by carrying out the murder of brianna . sophie reaper. brianna. sophie reaper. >> thank you for that. update from manchester crown court. and joining me now to discuss this further is forensic psychiatrist doctor david holmes. doctor holmes, welcome to the show. an astonishing level of detail afforded this afternoon by mrs.

justice yip giving a chilling insight, in particular into the mindset of scarlett jenkins said i wanted to try and get into that with you. if i could . she that with you. if i could. she was clearly obsessed by serial killers, had detailed notes and records of people like jeffrey dahmer, how they killed talk of satanism , of use of the dark web satanism, of use of the dark web , how she blurred the lines between fantasy and reality . my between fantasy and reality. my question to you, i guess, is rather simple . and that is, can rather simple. and that is, can people like scarlett jenkinson is this nurture or is it nature? or some people just evil ? or some people just evil? >> i think in this case you have someone who is by nurture, um, has certain traits, and she's quite driven and, um, i think she had some adhd. um diagnosis and some autistic spectrum diagnoses , which is quite diagnoses, which is quite evident in the way that she approached all this . um, it's approached all this. um, it's kind of like fairly insular. >> she doesn't integrate with

other people very well. um, if she does so often, like her compatriot ratcliffe. uh, it's by message . by message. >> and, um, i think some of the this aspect is actually in court. >> i was very surprised that the judge perhaps didn't actually deliver the verdict to them by message, because they'd have taken more notice of it. i think in the case of jenkinson, she is someone who has become extremely obsessed. i mean, a normal person would become obsessed, but someone with a kind of autistic spectrum will become even more gross , obsessed and even more gross, obsessed and dnven even more gross, obsessed and driven , um, by the subject driven, um, by the subject matter that they're coming into. and obviously , this is and obviously, this is unfortunately the worst subject matter that she could possibly have come across. >> um, so someone, another autistic person possibly would have been train numbers or something incredibly benign. but again, approached with a very impersonal , again, approached with a very impersonal, uh, regard for the subject matter . she's fairly subject matter. she's fairly distant from others . um, she

distant from others. um, she distanced herself and ratcliffe from others . uh, they bonded from others. uh, they bonded together in this , and but even together in this, and but even then they mostly communicated by messages. um, so showing the kind of impersonal, uh, bond that they had . um, so this is that they had. um, so this is not an absolutely starting from a normal perspective , someone a normal perspective, someone who is totally evil. this is someone who is becoming engrossed in evil. and now sees that as their kind of way of life, their reason for carrying on, their reason, their motive nafion on, their reason, their motive nation for facing the rest of their life. i think this hasn't actually been pulled away from her, although i think ratcliffe would be much more amenable to finding something else to be interested in. and move away from the idea of killing or harming others entirely. >> what was fascinating today, doctor holmes, was that when mrs. justice yip was looking into those mitigating

circumstances, the underlying conditions she talked about jenkinson suffering from a severe form of conduct, social disorder. >> also, she wasn't mature . >> also, she wasn't mature. she'd been self—harming. she previously suffered with anorexia, autism . um, and as you anorexia, autism. um, and as you said, that diagnosis for adhd when she was younger and yet she pushed that to one side in how she carried out her sentencing because she concluded that you wanted to do this, you wanted to kill and you wanted to do again. the diagnosis offered limited mitigation . and that, i think, mitigation. and that, i think, will come as some comfort to the parents and to many people watching on. >> yes, i think in this case we have the kind of lifelong condition that she had. um which, you know, the average member of the public, you might think, well , member of the public, you might think, well, isn't member of the public, you might think, well , isn't that think, well, isn't that mitigating? isn't that sort of like, you know, making it too easy for them to do that and not know what they're doing? no in this case, it's a bit like somebody being diagnosed as

psychopathic. fact, there are psychopathic. in fact, there are links between autism and psychopathy. um in that, um , psychopathy. um in that, um, it's aggravating being in court, not mitigating . it's not mitigating. it's aggravating. it makes them slightly more dangerous in that you have to overcome these levels of these disorders , which levels of these disorders, which allow a lack of empathy and allow a lack of empathy and allow a lack of empathy and allow a kind of, um , lack of allow a kind of, um, lack of social insight into what they're doing. in other words, they don't see it in the context of other people. and how other people see it only has they see it. so that has to be overcome. and that is a very long process, because this is these are not disorders that go away. these are lifelong conditions. >> okay . forensic psychiatrist >> okay. forensic psychiatrist doctor david holmes, thank you for joining us. fascinating forjoining us. fascinating insight. and to recap, uh, mrs. justice yip said you both took part in a particularly brutal murder . um, part in a particularly brutal murder. um, you actively

participated in this sadistic murder. she said to eddie. plus motivates in part by transphobes here. but to scarlet , she said, here. but to scarlet, she said, your primary motive was your deep desire to kill jenkins now serves 22 years minimum terms and ratcliffe a minimum terms of 20 years. now you get lots more on this horrendous story on our website, gbnews.com is the fastest growing national news website in the country . it's got website in the country. it's got breaking news and all the brilliant analysis that you've come to expect from . gb news. come to expect from. gb news. now on a completely different note, what would you do with an extra £1,500 each month for a whole year ? well, you could win whole year? well, you could win that in our great british giveaway as 18 grand in cold hard cash is up for grabs. and here's how you can make that wonga yours . wonga yours. >> this is your chance to win

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a problem is this ? okay so now a problem is this? okay so now we're going to gavin ashenden to talk about this anglican bishop is converted to catholicism in 2019. doctor gavin ashton and doctor ashton thank you for joining us on the show. abdul ezedl joining us on the show. abdul ezedi. there's a huge amount of talk now about the fact that here's a man who was denied asylum twice. um, yet at the third attempt, after he converted to christianity as if by magic, he was granted the right to remain in the uk. by magic, he was granted the right to remain in the uk . and right to remain in the uk. and people are saying is this something cynical? is this a manipulation of the christian faith in order to be able to stay in britain ? stay in britain? >> yes . it is. >> yes. it is. >>- >> yes. it is. >> i was once a bbc presenter and i had my own radio show, and i remember interviewing, in fact, an iranian woman who had become a christian and i was very struck by the way in which she experience was entirely she her experience was entirely

genuine. but what has happened is it's become an industry and a way in. and the problem is that because there's no there's no examination of the evidence properly , um, we're being lied properly, um, we're being lied to at, at so many levels. uh and the difficulty is that the pubuc the difficulty is that the public have are treated as being entirely gullible. there is no evidence that this man actually lives and practices as a christian. >> it was one of the way in which to use the rules to gain asylum here. >> and he used it and misused it. >> i'm afraid that christian >> i'm afraid that the christian communities , who were too communities, who were only too eager his story when eager to accept his story when naive and gullible, and the government were equally. >> i'm not sure the >> i'm not sure if the government naive and government are being naive and gullible, they're certainly gullible, but they're certainly being to, uh, to not being determined to, uh, to not follow up on on the truth or the evidence and the difficulty is that we're under a civilised national assault. >> the whole of our culture, the whole of our civilisation, is being threatened and abused by this. >> and it's time at least, that the public say we are no longer going to be this gullible. we

can't accept that what's going on in our name and doctor ashenden , many people will be crying. >> amen to that common sense, because there has been a pattern before, hasn't there in november 2021, the liverpool suicide bomber, a mad al swealmeen in um. he also had converted to christianity and alarming information came out that people at clergymen, church workers who befriended him at liverpool cathedral, they knew that he wasn't really into this idea of being a bona fide christian, as you might say. but they felt that it was something that they took sympathy with. this idea that they were giving him another chance . do you think another chance. do you think that's a fair thing to say, that actually, a lot of the people who are involved in these miraculous conversion to christianity, they they know it's genuine, but they it's not genuine, but they believe that their higher calling is to afford somebody's asylum .

asylum. >> it's very tempting to want to be as generous and as compassionate as we can. but the problem with compassion is it has to cut both ways. we have to have compassion for our own community. i mean, one of the reasons i've been critical reasons why i've been critical of archbishop canterbury reasons why i've been critical of the archbishop canterbury reasons why i've been critical of the houseshop canterbury reasons why i've been critical of the house ofyp canterbury reasons why i've been critical of the house of lords,anterbury reasons why i've been critical of the house of lords, talkingry in the house of lords, talking about compassion asylum about compassion for asylum seekers i think his seekers is that, i think his first duties for compassion are for we live for his community here. we live in society that's experiencing in a society that's experiencing very serious tensions and indeed breakdown. things that used breakdown. the things that used to hold us together, to allow us to hold us together, to allow us to good neighbours to one to be good neighbours to one another, to understand who we were and what we were doing here, have been and here, have been subsumed and drowned by a form of anarchic multi culturalism. it's not compassionate to our societies to let them be taken over by a variety of different communities with different standards . so with different standards. so there is no cohesion and even threatening the rule of law . so threatening the rule of law. so compassion has to begin at home, not because we're selfish, but because that's where if you like, our most profound reality is experienced. uh, there is no point in having fake compassion

for people in order to virtue signal. we should we should call call out virtue signalling for what it is and deal with our primary responsibilities for compassion, which are with our immediate neighbours, are immediate neighbours, are immediate society. our society is being destroyed and it would be not. it would not be compassionate to allow that to happen without asking serious questions. >> and doctor ashenden, powerful words when you say our society is being destroyed from within in in this case, how does it make you feel? um, to grasp the nofion make you feel? um, to grasp the notion that christianity, in a sense, is being used as a cover for people like yazidi ? for people like yazidi? >> inevitably it makes me very cross and very frustrated. i believe that that the proper historical reading of our situation is that all the good things we experience in our extraordinary civilisation, which is slowly being unwound, flow ultimately from the christian faith and from a christian faith and from a christian understanding of the sacredness of the human person. our whole industry of human

rights flow from that. the idea that we should saw off the branch on on which we're sitting is a piece of great stupidity and short sightedness. what it requires us to do is to be able to distinguish between the authentic and the inauthentic, between in between truth and distortion in the problem is that our society is literally being overrun . and is literally being overrun. and it means that that our responsibility to provide education and health and social stability and political truth and policing, uh, are being frustrated. we can't there is a contract in terms of the welfare state between what we produce as a society and what we give out. the overwhelming numbers of that immigration proposed break that contract out, and we can't provide those those things that we are responsible for to one another. it's a very, very serious crisis. and people are only beginning to wake up to the scale of it. >> doctor gavin ashenden and sobering, powerful intellectual thoughts. thank you very much for joining us this afternoon on gb news. thank you . now there's

gb news. thank you. now there's lots more still to come between now and 6:00. in a few minutes i'll have news of dramatic new developments in the united states as battled to tackle the migrant crisis on the texan border. but first, here's your latest news headlines with sophia wenzler. >> thanks, martin. it's 532. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . the two teenagers who newsroom. the two teenagers who killed brianna ghey in what the judge described as a sadistic and brutal stabbing have both been jailed for her murder. 16 year old scarlett jenkinson will serve a minimum tum of 22 years. eddie ratcliffe , also 16, was eddie ratcliffe, also 16, was given a minimum of 20 years in victim statements read to the court brianna's family described them as two predators stalking their prey and said they are pure evil . a manhunt continues pure evil. a manhunt continues for suspected chemical attacker and refugee abdul ezedi as it's

emerged officers have found significant and important new evidence. the metropolitan police has released a new image of the suspect last seen at king's cross underground station on wednesday evening. police say the 31 year old mother, who was attacked, is still sedated in hospital with life changing injuries . it comes after rishi injuries. it comes after rishi sunak says foreign criminals should not be allowed to stay in the uk following the manhunt. should not be allowed to stay in the uk following the manhunt . a the uk following the manhunt. a student who ran over and killed her fiance after she lost her temper following an argument between them, has been sentenced to life in prison. alice wood will serve a minimum terme of 18 years for the murder of ryan watson . the 24 year old was watson. the 24 year old was found guilty of killing ryan, also 24, following a trial at chester crown court last month. he was hit by the ford fiesta. alice was driving near their home in cheshire, which she had claimed tragic accident . claimed was a tragic accident. in other news, a man has died falling from the tate modern near the river thames in london. police air ambulance and paramedics attended the scene

but despite the efforts, the man died at the scene. the gallery, which is one of the most visited art museums in the world, will remain closed following the incident but the death is currently being treated as unexpected. is not unexpected. but it is not thought suspicious . there thought to be suspicious. there are fresh warnings of potential human rights breaches on the bibby stockholm barge, as asylum seekers face what's being described as claustrophobic conditions. the home affairs select committee says cramped living conditions are contributing to a decline in mental health for some residents . it follows confirmation from the home office that the cost of housing migrants on the barge is £120. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code . scanning the qr code. >> for a valuable legacy , your >> for a valuable legacy, your family can own gold coins will always shine bright rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . rosalind

news financial report. rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . well news financial report. well it's my favourite part of the show now. how. >> now. >> it's friday and joining me is michelle dewberry. of course, straight after this. 607 it's michelle dewberry on dewbs& co now, jeeves can't lie to you. it's been a bit of a demanding show today. the brianna ghey murder , the abdul ezedi manhunt. murder, the abdul ezedi manhunt. it's quite a moment that makes you think a lot about the world and what's going on in within it. and i'm sure michelle, you'll be doing your very best to try and make sense of that on your show this evening. well it is, i mean, trust me, trust me, dear viewers, i hunt high and i hunt low for positive, uplifting stories. >> i have to say, though, that today as martin just said, the news agenda is very much

dominated by those horrendous stories that he's just been referencing. there are children in, you know, are they born evil 7 in, you know, are they born evil ? how can it be that teenagers can do such heinous acts ? and can do such heinous acts? and when they do, that is my question. are they born that way? are they nurtured into being that way? and the judge in that sentencing as well was talking about potential , excuse talking about potential, excuse me, potential rehabilitation . me, potential rehabilitation. ian, really rehabilitate ian, can you really rehabilitate someone who does things like that? i want to explore all that? so i want to explore all of that. also as well. i thought it interesting. brianna's it was interesting. brianna's dad said that there's, um, teenagers have teenagers shouldn't have been named because it gives them some form glory . almost. what do form of glory. almost. what do you think and of you think to that? and of course, you just mentioned as course, as you just mentioned as well, martin, the manhunt continues. you know, i still keep fact you keep reflecting on the fact you know, there a delay know, why was there such a delay in a description of in releasing a description of this , images, etc. so this fella, his images, etc. so that people could actually proactively been trying to track him down? but of course, like you were also asking, how on earth was he even allowed in this you've time this country? if you've got time as well, i want to talk about

bankers bonuses, a labour right not reintroduce them, and not to reintroduce them, and a strange but nonetheless interesting letting kids interesting one is letting kids interesting one is letting kids in play rugby, a form of in school play rugby, a form of child abuse . that's child abuse. that's a suggestion. today >> well, as usual, michelle dewberry a varied and exciting menu. i hope you do try and help the nation make sense of some of this, because i think a lot of us sometimes just just wonder, you know, what's going on in the world. i know there's brianna ghey murder and this acid attack. michel, sometimes it just you just it kind of makes you despair. but well, despair. but anyhow. well, i know do your very best. know you'll do your very best. >> moylan and mbappe. and >> moylan and paul mbappe. and what better minds to help make sense it in that. sense of it all in that. >> you very much. it's >> thank you very much. it's going to be dewbs& co going to be superb. dewbs& co six till seven. thank very six till seven. thank you very much. now to the latest in the migrant crisis in the united states. and governor of states. and the governor of florida, ron desantis, has put himself on a collision course head on with president joe biden because it thought that more than 300,000 mexicans crossed the us border in december alone, and the vast majority of them

enter texas over that mexican border. and now desantis has announced that he's sending 1000 national guard troops from his own state, florida , to texas, in own state, florida, to texas, in order to help protect that border. and i can now speak with us, political analyst eric ham. eric, thank you for joining us, political analyst eric ham. eric, thank you forjoining us eric, thank you for joining us on the show . it's always a on the show. it's always a pleasure . he is on the show. it's always a pleasure. he is. on the show. it's always a pleasure. he is . coming up. pleasure. he is. coming up. here's eric. eric, thanks for coming on the show. an astonishing story. um, ron desantis , of course, recently desantis, of course, recently dropped out presidential dropped out of the presidential primary against donald primary race against donald trump, but he soon found fresh purpose deploying national guard from florida to texas on a direct collision course with president biden . president biden. >> yeah, that's right. in fact , >> yeah, that's right. in fact, he's not the only governor. in fact, we know that there are at least 12, at least 12 other republican governors that have proposed support to governor abbott in this ongoing battle with the federal government over this immigration fight. >> now, we know that next week,

the us senate is actually expected to bring comprehensive immigration reform to the floor. and this is going to be a battle that's taking place here in washington just as much as it's taking place right there on the us southern border. and already we're seeing not only air or are is the governor of texas in defiance of a supreme court order that actually allows for federal troops to actually engage on the southern border? but what we're seeing here is this is becoming a major crisis that's now pitting the us government against a number of key states along the united states . states. >> and eric, an astonishing he's basically sending the national guard from his own state to texas to help them put up barriers to help them put up barbed wire . and this is all barbed wire. and this is all stuff that joe biden has ordered to be removed. can i ask you, as a brit, how big an issue will

immigration and border control be in the forthcoming presidential election? which of course, is this november? >> well, first of all, we have to remember the us supreme court has already announced that the barbed wire that the governor is putting up that was supposed to come down. so what we're seeing here is the governor is actually defying an order. so he's actually doing something against the law, but this is going to be a priority for this ongoing fight. in fact, we know right now that donald trump is actually against this this comprehensive legislation that is expected to pass the senate and go before the house and quite frankly, this is legislation that republicans have been calling for decades now . in fact, what we see is now. in fact, what we see is that not only is biden in a battle with republican governors, but he's in a battle with his own party because many progressives don't want to see this legislation passed because it gives republicans everything that they have ever asked for. and so this is clearly going to be, i think, a massive issue on

the on the campaign trail. be, i think, a massive issue on the on the campaign trail . the the on the campaign trail. the question is, is it going to be a double edged sword where it will harm republicans? just as much as it harms democrats, because as it harms democrats, because as it harms democrats, because as it looks as though republicans are not going to act on what they have actually run on. >> and eric, words from ron desantis last night that will echo this side of the pond with brexiteers. he said this if we don't have a border, then we are not a sovereign country. you either have a border or you don't. you're either a sovereign country or you are not. how politically motivated will that be for the republican base when this election comes? >> well, clearly, biden is trying to take this issue off the table by getting this legislation passed. it remains to be seen if that will happen. but we know that the border issue has vexed the biden administration since they actually came into office and now we see that, in fact , the now we see that, in fact, the homeland security secretary is actually in the process of being

impeached, at least by the house, because they believe that there has been inaction by him on this issue . on this issue. >> okay. eric ham , thanks for >> okay. eric ham, thanks for joining us. the very definition of a mexican standoff down there on the border ahead of the greatest show on earth, the us presidential election in november . eric, presidential election in november. eric, i'm sure you'll be joining us many more times to comment thank you very comment on that. thank you very much joining us. this side much forjoining us. this side of the now, if you're of the pond. now, if you're looking for a drink tonight, which then you might want which i am, then you might want to check what you're being charged because some bars are adding 2% to bills without the punters even knowing about it. daylight robbery as you get the beers in, i'm martin daubney on gb news channel

>> only on gb news, the people's channel >> only on gb news, the people's channel, britain's news channel . channel, britain's news channel. >> welcome back. 546 now to news of yet another blow to the government's hopes of solving the never ending migrant crisis . the never ending migrant crisis. it looks like hopes of a return deal with turkey are dead in the water, after the home office said it's not a safe country due to human rights concerns . to human rights concerns. concerns. well, joining me now to discuss this is journalist melda dogan, who is based in istanbul . melda dogan, who is based in istanbul. melda, melda dogan, who is based in istanbul . melda, welcome to the istanbul. melda, welcome to the show . we're the people's show. we're the people's channel. i've got an email here from dave. i'd like to read it out to you. dave says this. how can turkey be unsafe? millions of brits go there on their holidays every year.

>> well , that's a that's a true >> well, that's a that's a true point . it's safe for brits point. it's safe for brits coming on holidays. it's safe for, uh, most of the turkish people who are living in central anatolia who want it for erdogan's party, who are supporting his policies. it's safe if you are not interested in politics, if you are not engaged and engaged citizen who is vocal, who wants to post on social media, who wants to go out and protest and take an anti—government stance or be a part of the opposition ? it's part of the opposition? it's safe, of course, but for many people who are , um, journalists, people who are, um, journalists, for example , or for politicians , for example, or for politicians, uh, of the opposition parties or, um, just normal citizen who want to, um, take on social to , want to, um, take on social to, media uh, express anger and disappointment, uh, and criticise the government . uh, criticise the government. uh, they of course risk , um, a high

they of course risk, um, a high level of , um, going through a level of, um, going through a judiciary process because the laws have been changed in the recent years. we have now a disinformation, uh , law, uh, disinformation, uh, law, uh, which is , uh, very strict on which is, uh, very strict on people who are criticising the government . you risk really, uh, government. you risk really, uh, being , uh, government. you risk really, uh, being, uh, through going through , uh, um, a judiciary process for, uh, going on social media. you you really risk , uh, being you you really risk, uh, being detained for protesting? of course, for the wrong reasons. i mean, if you are doing a protest , uh, on any of the topics that the government is, is supporting you, you're not risking anything but the point here is on which camp are you in the country? if you are a part of the opposition 7 you are a part of the opposition ? um, it is really , uh, it might ? um, it is really, uh, it might be risky . uh, ? um, it is really, uh, it might be risky. uh, in that sense . be risky. uh, in that sense. >> okay. melda. well, the previous home secretary, suella braverman , isn't convinced by braverman, isn't convinced by that debate . she said the

that debate. she said the government should rethink the situation as home secretary, i worked at proposals to list turkey as a safe country . she. turkey as a safe country. she. and the point is, this melda that 3000 turks arrived illegally into britain last yean illegally into britain last year, 162% increase and doesn't this, um, if i get sent home to my home country, i'll be persecuted. clause just simply allow people to avoid deportation and it could be used , um, illicitly and with with scurrilous means. >> well, those people, most of those people are as i said previously, are most of them are people who are, uh , opponents of people who are, uh, opponents of the current government. they might for be example, some people are from um, um, the, the, the fatah organisation. they say so—called fatah organisation. but that doesn't really mean all of those people who are prosecuted. uh, in that sense , i really a member of the sense, i really a member of the group or uh, are really

supporting the fatah group because the process at this point hasn't been really transparent regarding the case, the judiciary case of fatah members. and as i said before, uh , the number of people who uh, the number of people who mostly come to the uk is actually the educated people of turkey. when you look at the numbers, when you look at the figures and the people, uh, you will see that, uh, the educated minds are , are, uh, going to the minds are, are, uh, going to the uk or either to the us. uh, we when they choose to migrate from turkey and most of the time the reason is that because they are against the current government, which doesn't it doesn't necessarily mean that you will go in jail particularly, but they might block you in a way from, um , from, you know, making from, um, from, you know, making business, closing on deals , uh, business, closing on deals, uh, or, you know, um , doing business or, you know, um, doing business in a way so that, uh, these , in a way so that, uh, these, these people are really, uh , in

these people are really, uh, in that sense, blocked from , uh, that sense, blocked from, uh, many ways in their social life and economic life. so that's why they opt to migrate. believe me, if they would have , uh, an if they would have, uh, an opfion if they would have, uh, an option to leave, uh , freely in option to leave, uh, freely in the country , can i get a point the country, can i get a point in here? >> you know? okay, people , >> you know? okay, people, ability to have a nice economic life to lead that . that, of life to lead that. that, of course, is fine, but a lot of people watching this would be saying, well, why is it britain's responsibility to, to take care of that? and surely we've seen many, many times from people arrivals from other nations, they know how to game the system, they know to what say to the asylum seeker officers in britain. they know how to play the game. and if i were a turk coming over, i'd just be saying, well, if i go back, i'll get political persecution. kuching. you can stay . it leaves the route open stay. it leaves the route open to abuse, does it not? >> while why is it turkey's responsibility to take 3.5 million syrians to turkey ? or million syrians to turkey? or

why is it any other country's responsibility to take migrants? so you're leading to a total, uh, big question. and i think that this discussion will take like forever if we take it to that point . that point. >> all right. well, in that case, why don't we, um, call it a day there? thank you very much. journalist melda dogan, for joining us on the show live from . now moving from istanbul. now moving swiftly swift swiftly onwards for a swift drink. perhaps brits are drink. perhaps because brits are being hit with unexpected charge charges. all tips. american style a string of pubs in scotland started to automatically add a shocking 2% hidden service charge to all the bevvies they serve up , and this bevvies they serve up, and this follows another pub chain introducing dynamic pricing , as introducing dynamic pricing, as they call it, and diners complaining about feeling ambushed with charity donations included on restaurant bills without even being told. well, joining me now is the ceo of the night time industries association , michael kill the association, michael kill the legend who spoke out about lockdowns from the very beginning. michael, people don't like these hidden extras,

especially on their booze . especially on their booze. >> uh, without a doubt. and i can understand that. and i think our industry has got to get into a process of being quite overt with it and letting people know exactly, uh, where the tips are coming from, what they're being used for and who they're going to. it's, uh, it's a to. i mean, it's, uh, it's a challenge that we faced as we went through a lot of the consultation on the, uh, tipping legislation, which to legislation, which is due to come year. so i think come in this year. so i think it's important we're it's really important that we're very very transparent very clear and very transparent with tips are and with how those tips are used and that they're to stuff, that they're going to stuff, which think is important which i think is the important part. which i think is the important parand people don't mind, >> and again, people don't mind, you know, 10% on their food if it's voluntary. but the of it's voluntary. but the fact of the matter has just been the matter is this has just been put on there people put on there without people knowing. getting knowing. that's what's getting people's but what i people's goats. but what i understand is discretionary, that the challenge that we have , that the challenge that we have, i think in some of the cases you've described is people are unaware of it. >> and think that needs to be >> and i think that needs to be clear in terms of training the staff letting them know that staff and letting them know that they customer they need to tell the customer that a discretionary

that there is a discretionary charge on their for ice. charge on their for service ice. i think the big thing that we have to understand in the industry difficult industry is in a very difficult position, staff is position, and retaining staff is very hard. those are on very hard. many of those are on wage. so for us is a lot wage. so for us there is a lot of work that we put into retaining them. um, the business can pay up to a certain point and then there is a discretionary opportunity, which a lot of these rely to on a lot of these staff rely to on bolster wage bracket. okay bolster their wage bracket. okay >> you very much. i'll >> thank you very much. i'll have on this have to call time on this interview. michael, kill the ceo have to call time on this intthe ew. michael, kill the ceo have to call time on this intthe night chael, kill the ceo have to call time on this intthe night time, kill the ceo have to call time on this intthe night time industries eo of the night time industries association , a i greatly association, a man who i greatly admire. super thank you very much. okay i'm calling it time for myself on the show. thank you for joining for myself on the show. thank you forjoining us for myself on the show. thank you for joining us this week. i'll be here three till six. i'll be here three till six. i'll be here three till six. i'll be back next week. it's been tremendous i'm off been a tremendous week. i'm off to drink myself after this to drink myself after. this is michelle with juice and michelle dewberry with juice and co picking over all the biggest issues week. have a great issues of the week. have a great friday evening . friday evening. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar , the sponsors of weather solar, the sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> afternoon. i'm alex deakin,

this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news is a bright and blustery day on saturday across the north. a mild day in the south, and in between there will be some thicker cloud and outbreaks of rain, courtesy of this weather front, which is slicing between high pressure to the south and low pressure to the north, bringing thicker cloud and a of rain as it trickles and a bit of rain as it trickles south through northern ireland, southern , northern southern scotland, northern england still england overnight, still very gusty at the moment over northeast england southeast northeast england and southeast scotland. winds will scotland. the winds will steadily ease but staying very windy in the far north, with more showers here in the far south it stays very mild with temperatures remaining in double digits. in fact, most england digits. in fact, most of england and will hold up at 9 or and wales will hold up at 9 or 10 celsius, a little colder further north, but still very blustery on saturday. more blustery here on saturday. more showers the showers to come across the highlands and the western isles, but for southern but some sunshine for southern and of and eastern scotland, much of northern ireland and much of northern england as quite northern england as well. quite dull west wales and dull and damp in west wales and dunng dull and damp in west wales and during day of that rain during the day some of that rain may spread across parts

may spread back up across parts of england into the of northern england into the east anglia. much of the south, though, dry fairly though, just dry but fairly drab. mild however, temperatures getting into the teens a colder feel further north. sunday sees some patchy rain spreading from wales to northern ireland and turning damp in western parts of scotland , but probably not much scotland, but probably not much rain getting to the east coast again. much of the south just dry cloudy and it will be dry and cloudy and it will be quite windy throughout the weekend, but it's going to stay mild with temperatures again in the that warm feeling the teens that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on .

there was even talk of rehabilitation. really do you think you can rehabilitate someone who has done something as evil as this? mm. i'm not convinced. anyway, the guy also accused of the chemical attack in clapham is still on the run after two failed asylum attempts and a conviction for sexual offences . he claimed asylum by

offences. he claimed asylum by saying he was