>> hello. good afternoon and welcome to gb news on tv , online welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next few hours , akua and for the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting headlines right now . hitting the headlines right now. this about opinion . this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs, and of course yours . we'll be course it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing at debating, discussing and at times disagree. but no times we will disagree. but no one be cancelled . so one will be cancelled. so joining me in the next hour , joining me in the next hour, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and also former labour party adviser matthew laza in a few moments time i'll be mocking the week with comedian francis foster . but first, let's get foster. but first, let's get your latest news headlines . hi there. >> it's 3:00. i'm aaron armstrong, the gb newsroom, stormont's first national first

minister, has pledged to work with unionists to build a better future for northern ireland. michelle o'neill's historic appointment was confirmed as power sharing returned to the province for the first time in two years. it follows an agreement between the dup and the over post—brexit the government over post—brexit trade. the sinn fein vice president has been speaking at the newly restored assembly, saying that today opens the door to the future . emma to the future. emma little—pengelly dup has little—pengelly of the dup has become the new deputy first minister, a role that carries equal legal power. former dup leader edwin poots has been elected speaker and michelle o'neill has promised to be inclusive and respectful to those of all political persuasions . persuasions. >> we mark a moment of equality and a moment of progress , a new and a moment of progress, a new opportunity to work and to grow together . confident in that together. confident in that wherever we come from, whatever our aspirations are, we can and we must build our future together. >> i'm really delighted to see every mla back in this chamber today, and i welcome the fact that the dup have decided to

re—enter the democratic institutions , and that the institutions, and that the outcome of last year's assembly election is now being respected . election is now being respected. >> well, many budgetary decisions in northern ireland have been on hold for the last two years. in the absence of a devolved government , two years. in the absence of a devolved government, and people there too long. there say it's taken too long. i think it's about time. >> i think that's what probably most people would say. um, it's been such a, know , a gap and been such a, you know, a gap and a and a lull in not having any degree of government whatsoever . degree of government whatsoever. and it's been very detrimental to everyone involved . to everyone involved. >> i think it's a good thing that they're all back going back, because at the end of the day, they're getting paid for doing nothing. >> not only are they just got back, we've just been told they're full they're getting their full pay and people on and there's people going on strike, you know, to get money, but they get there straight away. just like that . away. just like that. >> police are still searching for a suspected chemical attacker. abdul ezedi , who has attacker. abdul ezedi, who has significant injuries on the right side of his face, was last seen at london's kings cross

station on wednesday night. a 31 year old mother who was attacked with a corrosive substance, remains in hospital . her two remains in hospital. her two young were also hurt, young daughters were also hurt, but not as badly as first thought. forensic tests are being carried out empty being carried out on two empty containers found at an address in newcastle . they were carrying in newcastle. they were carrying corrosive warning labels on them, detective chief them, former detective chief superintendent kevin hurley says there are few steps the suspect can take. >> he has either gone into hiding or is being hidden by friends or relatives , or friends or relatives, or alternatively , um, he's killed alternatively, um, he's killed himself because where he comes from , uh, culturally, because from, uh, culturally, because i've worked in afghanistan a couple of tours in kabul, the view of some elements of the afghan community is that women are lesser mortals than dogs. so if he's with a group of afghans who think he's quite rightly punished , potentially someone punished, potentially someone who was in a relationship, they will almost see nothing wrong with what he's done . meanwhile

with what he's done. meanwhile the home office is being urged to carry out an urgent review into how abdul ezedi was allowed to remain in the uk. >> izadi, who is from afghanistan, was convicted of a sexual offence in 2018 and given a suspended sentence . he was a suspended sentence. he was granted asylum after two failed attempts when a priest confirmed he converted to christianity he had converted to christianity . iraq's accused the united states of putting the middle east on the brink of an abyss. following a series of airstrikes overnight , the us struck 85 overnight, the us struck 85 targets in syria and iraq in response to a drone attack on a us military base that killed three soldiers last weekend . three soldiers last weekend. nearly 40 people, including civilians , have been killed, the civilians, have been killed, the uk says it remains a steadfast ally of the us and supports washington's right to respond to attacks from militant groups unked attacks from militant groups linked to iran . iraq has warned linked to iran. iraq has warned the strikes will have a disastrous consequence for the region . french police have ruled region. french police have ruled out terrorism as a motive for a knife attack at a train station in paris earlier , a suspect been

in paris earlier, a suspect been arrested following the incident at gard elianne this morning . at gard elianne this morning. three people were hurt but did not suffer life threatening injuries. french media say the attacker was from mali and was carrying an italian driving licence . the train driver strike licence. the train driver strike is again hitting parts of the country . members of aslef at country. members of aslef at avanti west coast, east midlands railway and west midlands railway and west midlands railway are walking out for 24 hours over pay and conditions. the action started earlier this week and will continue on monday . a ban on overtime will last until tuesday . therefore, many until tuesday. therefore, many people across the country and their journeys on the trains will be disrupted. aslef says the drivers have not had a pay rise for almost five years. the government says the union should accept last year's offer . if you accept last year's offer. if you want more on any of our stories, you can sign up to the alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. com slash alerts . now it's over to .

nana. >> good afternoon. it's fast approaching six minutes after 3:00. this is gb news on tv, onune 3:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and it's time to mock the week and what a busy one it's been. it kicked off with martin bashir blaming is because i'm black guv. and apparent jealousy from his colleagues for his treatment by the bbc after that infamous princess diana interview. despite the fact that it was fulfilled that forged documents may have played a part in the late princess giving him the scoop. i mean, i'm sick and tired of these people playing the card. on, dude, the race card. come on, dude, that's low . the obsession that's pretty low. the obsession with net zero continues an obsession that nobody, apart from elites, are interested from the elites, are interested in, which actually sums up what will in your bank will be left in your bank account they're account by the time they're finished the finished with you and the country's coffers. this is how interested are who hear interested people are who hear favre's net zero over their steel production . steel production. >> can you.7 hands steel production. >> can you? hands up if you favour net zero. you think that's the more important challenge? anyone . in see that

government? >> nobody cares is forgetting net zero. nobody's interested . net zero. nobody's interested. besides, they're probably wrong anyway . they even flip flop keir anyway. they even flip flop keir has had to admit that it's a flop . he's rolled back on his 28 flop. he's rolled back on his 28 billion green energy plan . billion green energy plan. besides, we'll destroy the planet and its contents well before the 2050 deadline. here's how we've got some. i think these are sort of nuclear weapons and stuff going on there , bombs and so on and so forth. yeah, yeah, that's kind of how we're to do it, obviously. we're going to do it, obviously. well, 2050. of course well, before 2050. and of course you've got this guy, joe biden wokeist donald trump. >> and a valuable lesson don't mess with him in america unless you want to get the benefit . you want to get the benefit. >> was he saying, i don't even think he knows. >> last night there were more retaliatory strikes. trump is right through weakness and incompetence. >> joe biden has brought us to the brink of world war iii. >> we're at the brink of world war iii just in case anybody

doesn't know it . doesn't know it. >> we've had twice failed asylum seeker who, after being convicted of a sexual offence, was granted asylum the third time because he changed his religion to christian, claiming he would face persecution if he went back afghanistan. so went back to afghanistan. so forget and persecution forget the fear and persecution that we, the british public, face from him. but poor dear , face from him. but poor dear, what a farce. he's now on the run after throwing a corrosive substance at what appears to be his partner and her kids. after apparently trying to run them his partner and her kids. after appa|i ntly trying to run them his partner and her kids. after appa|i mean, 'ing to run them his partner and her kids. after appa|i mean, what» run them his partner and her kids. after appa|i mean, what kind them his partner and her kids. after appa|i mean, what kind ofzm his partner and her kids. after appa|i mean, what kind of al over. i mean, what kind of a person this? beggars person is this? it beggars belief been allowed to belief he's been allowed to stay. someone with these stay. how can someone with these injuries just disappear ? well, i injuries just disappear? well, i guess managed to get here guess he managed to get here undetected, so he probably has a few contacts , but least he few contacts, but at least he got of some of pain got a taste of some of the pain he's victims but he's put his victims under. but sadly, more very sad sadly, of course, more very sad news while we hear of the death of john irvine of cancer, of john irvine of lung cancer, a presenter on a place in the sun, and of course , it was derek and of course, it was derek draper's funeral. this week. how i long for some light. prince harry and meghan markle relief. it's been a mucky old week .

it's been a mucky old week. coming up, comedian frances foster will be making light of this week's top stories. foster will be making light of this week's top stories . then, this week's top stories. then, at 320, it's climate control . we at 320, it's climate control. we unpick the debate around the climate after mps warned the uk is unprepared for heatwaves. should we be worried ? and then, should we be worried? and then, at 330, reuben skeets from peta will be live to discuss animal testing. and if elon musk was right to test out his new neuralink chip on monkeys and norman baker is in the political spotlight this week, as i ask him about ed davey and the post office scandal and what's gone so wrong with britain's asylum system that's coming up in this houn system that's coming up in this hour. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet at . gb news. right. so tweet me at. gb news. right. so joining me now to mock the week is comedian frances foster. and host of triggernometry, the podcast, which i love. right. francis talk to me about all of

this. god, we're in a bit of a mess, aren't we? of course we kicked martin bashir. kicked off with martin bashir. it's yeah it's because i'm black. yeah i'll you. i'll be honest with you. >> didn't even realise that >> i didn't even realise that martin was black. martin bashir was black. >> and i don't actually know if that's because i'm a progressive, i didn't even progressive, but i didn't even realise. genuinely realise. i thought i genuinely thought asian bloke thought he was an asian bloke and then it transpired that his investigation and the whole diana thing , that was dodgy, he diana thing, that was dodgy, he got that interview through underhand means. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> and was fired as a result. and now many years after that whole debacle , he's now claiming whole debacle, he's now claiming it's racism. you can't backdate racism . racism. >> oh no. why didn't he say it at the time if that was the problem? but what would he say? he's the one that got the scoop. is he's black as well? >> yeah, exactly. >> yeah, exactly. >> so i don't quite know what martin is here. maybe he's martin is doing here. maybe he's right. 2024 and everything martin is doing here. maybe he's righ be 2024 and everything martin is doing here. maybe he's righ be blamed and everything martin is doing here. maybe he's righ be blamed onj everything martin is doing here. maybe he's righ be blamed on racism,hing can be blamed on racism, including my dodgy ness as a journalist and the only reason i'm being fired is because of racism . it's why, my mate, racism. it's why, my mate, you've got to do better. i know you've got to do better. i know

you tweaks, mate . you you need some tweaks, mate. you need emails. you maybe need a few emails. you maybe need a few emails. you maybe need some microaggressions thrown in there. it's not working and it's not believable. and looks even more and he looks even more ridiculous than he did before. if he'd come and said, if he'd just come out and said, do know what i did? it do you know what i did? get it through means. i'm a through underhand means. i'm a bbc at least bbc journalist. hey at least i've never groped anyone. >> we'd be like, you're one of the good guys. >> we'd be like, you're one of the he'si guys. >> we'd be like, you're one of the he's onlys. >> we'd be like, you're one of the he's only got globsec. let's >> we'd be like, you're one of the go s only got globsec. let's >> we'd be like, you're one of the go down got globsec. let's >> we'd be like, you're one of the go down that globsec. let's >> we'd be like, you're one of the go down that dodgy ec. let's >> we'd be like, you're one of the go down that dodgy .z. let's >> we'd be like, you're one of the go down that dodgy . godt's not go down that dodgy. god help us. still carrying on us. and we're still carrying on with obsession of zero. with this obsession of net zero. yeah, mean , even though it is yeah, i mean, even though it is clear, obviously, with the steelworks, be to steelworks, we won't be able to make steel unless make our own virgin steel unless we hydrogen in mix. we can put hydrogen in the mix. and technology and that technology apparently isn't available. they're going to under 3000 people to make under 3000 people roughly redundant, and maybe in how many years they'll have 34,000 or how many more jobs. i mean , is this a nonsense? mean, is this a nonsense? >> it is a nonsense . >> it is a nonsense. >> i'll tell you why it's a nonsense. need nonsense. because we still need steel. gas . we steel. we still need gas. we still need all of these natural resources . so we're going resources. so what we're going to well , i'm resources. so what we're going to well, i'm not to say is, um, well, i'm not we're going to do because we're not going to do it because we're not going to do it because we're but you we're holier than thou. but you know going do? know what we're going to do? we're import from we're going to import it from india from other countries.

india or from other countries. and on top of that, they're going to we're going to going to have to we're going to have to pay for the transportation costs. have to pay for the transporthat's costs. have to pay for the transporthat's got:s. have to pay for the transporthat's got a huge carbon >> and that's got a huge carbon footprint. >> exactly . >> exactly. >> exactly. >> so what is actually happening is we're pretending to be virtuous and then getting the third world to produce it while going, nice and great going, look how nice and great we are. >> it's absurd, isn't it? i don't but least don't understand, but at least that rees—mogg . i that was jacob rees—mogg. i think in sheffield. yeah, think he was in sheffield. yeah, and they obviously the people in this into this country aren't buying into it. you want one? it. no. why would you want one? i an electric i don't want an electric car. i don't fancy not into it. don't fancy it. i'm not into it. i don't want it. i think a i don't want it. i think it's a ridiculous. it's laughable . ridiculous. it's laughable. >> me. look, i don't >> look for me. look, i don't think wrong think there's anything wrong with car . but i with it. an electric car. but i just this , this, this just think this, this, this demand and this desire for net zero targets. all it does is it impacts the most vulnerable people. it drives the bills up. it drives . it drives so much, so it drives. it drives so much, so many of the prices that we're now experiencing up. people are struggling. and you're going to take away their jobs . it's take away theirjobs. it's completely nonsensical . just so completely nonsensical. just so you can brag about a net zero

target and then get someone with dark skin in the third world to produce it and have children sort of mining cobalt and lithium in mines. >> and oh, it's just it's just ridiculous. just rank ridiculous. it's just rank hypocrisy . about biden? hypocrisy. what about joe biden? because course , you know, i because of course, you know, i just love trump's comment . i just love trump's comment. i love feel that joe love because i do feel that joe biden brought us to the biden has brought us to the bnnk biden has brought us to the brink almost world war iii. brink of almost world war iii. >> unfair >> i think he's quite unfair because think joe biden because i don't think joe biden knows anyway. >> do you what mean? >> do you know what i mean? >> do you know what i mean? >> he's got no idea. >> he's got no idea. >> he's got no idea. >> he hasn't. >> he hasn't. >> got idea. >> he hasn't. » 90. m >> he's got no idea. they just basically prop there with basically prop him up there with sticks and then goes on and sticks, and then he goes on and then just delivers kind of then just delivers some kind of scat improvisational scat jazz improvisational performance . performance. >> bleep bleep bleep bleep bleep bleep women bleep bleep bleep bleep women bleep bleep bleep bleep progress. >> and you're like great mate i mean he's happy you know. >> and you look a lot of people at that age they're being put into homes which i don't agree with. >> they're isolated. he's got a purpose. he's having a whale of a time. >> oh he does. you know what. that's the truth. he doesn't know. and i think it is ironic that trump should be the one

everyone worried about. everyone was worried about. trump having their his hand on the ready press the button, ready to press them. but he's seriously but but this guy, he's seriously you don't want joe biden anywhere near them. >> no, you don't want him because doesn't. won't >> no, you don't want him becauae doesn't. won't >> no, you don't want him becaua button, sn't. won't >> no, you don't want him becaua button, sn't. might press a button, but he might fall on it and then start world war that. the guy can't war iii like that. the guy can't ride a how is he going to ride a bike. how is he going to be push button? you're be able to push a button? you're like, what they. and like, joe, what they. and then before it, there's before you know it, there's a there's a rocket heading towards china. >> i know frightening and >> i know it's frightening and i don't know whether trump will be better. i prefer trump to joe if you gave me the options, but whilst president, you gave me the options, but whils'were president, you gave me the options, but whils'were no president, you gave me the options, but whils'were no world president, you gave me the options, but whils'were no world warssident, you gave me the options, but whils'were no world wars orant, you gave me the options, but whils'were no world wars or he, there were no world wars or he didn't start any, any way. no, he them on twitter. he just started them on twitter. yeah, i'm fine. you do yeah, yeah, i'm fine. you do that on twitter. yeah. now that on twitter. yeah. but now i bnng that on twitter. yeah. but now i bring this our lax bring you to this our lax physical kind of immigration policy, which enables people who are coming come here by illegal means to claim asylum. and then , means to claim asylum. and then, of course, we're so worried about their own sort of personal whatever, whatever this guy has already had one sexual offence and then he claims he's christian, so now he stay christian, so now he can stay because otherwise if he goes back, persecuted. back, he'll be persecuted. i mean , where do go with this?

mean, where do we go with this? >> would it actually >> well, would it actually exposes that we don't have exposes is that we don't have control of our borders. >> we don't have control over who and who who can stay and who can and who who can stay and who can and who who can stay and who should stay. and quite frankly, who should leave if you are a visitor to this country , are a visitor to this country, if you are an immigrant and you sexually assault someone, you need be gone. i think most need to be gone. i think most people left, right, centre would actually agree with that. but we've got to the point now where someone can sexually assault someone can sexually assault someone a very, very serious crime and then say that there are christians. so crime and then say that there are christians . so then jesus are christians. so then jesus washes away all their sins and that then leaves him to carte blanche to go and commit this absolutely horrific attack using absolutely horrific attack using a highly corrosive substance. what people don't know is that a strong alkali is actually more dangerous than a strong acid. acid just sounds worse. but an alkali is very , very strong and alkali is very, very strong and deeply corrosive and can create life threatening injuries . and life threatening injuries. and he's just been allowed to get away with it. it is wrong . it's

away with it. it is wrong. it's heartbreaking. and the reason why people have connected so strongly with this story is because it's not just about this story. deeply troubling , though story. deeply troubling, though it is. is it fundamental exposes what is going wrong within our immigration system. >> yeah. and i really don't know. i'm concerned with a labour government that they won't do much of a betterjob, won't do much of a better job, but then i don't know whether you can do much worse. not really, to be honest. you can do much worse. not reaiwell, be honest. you can do much worse. not reaiwell, be hclook, you know, >> well, look, look, you know, people go, oh, you know, suella >> well, look, look, you know, pe0|tough oh, you know, suella >> well, look, look, you know, pe0|tough on, you know, suella >> well, look, look, you know, pe0|tough on immigration. uella was tough on immigration. >> he was tough. they weren't all out, was all they did was come out, was came then basically came out, and then basically talked a lot. and then the left got really upset. and then nothing changed. ways nothing changed. in some ways the left would be better because at least they're not going to pretend. >> mhm. well i think that they might turn out be little might turn out to be a little bit right they bit like the right when they actually and actually get to the helm and realise how things realise how bad things are, because broken because we have a broken immigration system, we don't know when we know who's here. yeah. when we do who's here we then do find out who's here we then lose got about lose them. so we've got about 17,000 people who we don't know. and the tip of the and that's just the tip of the iceberg. still the

iceberg. and we've still got the issue people across issue with people coming across via don't via dinghies. i just don't understand why somebody hasn't really real handle on this. >> well, absolutely. >> well, absolutely. >> and this shows how terrible things are, is that you've got a man wander around who is who has done this very, very serious crime . crime. >> he has sexually assaulted someone. he has got what looks like burns on his face. he basically looks like harvey two—face and we can't find him . two—face and we can't find him. find him and we can't find him. i mean , he's not that easy. he's i mean, he's not that easy. he's not that difficult to spot, is he? >> so, you know . so either >> so, you know. so either somebody harbouring him or he somebody is harbouring him or he maybe has committed suicide. i don't know, sometimes people do these things or perhaps he's managed to get across the border. the way things are. we don't appear have any control don't appear to have any control of it. >> no, we don't have any control. >> the police don't seem have control. >> 'control.:e don't seem have control. >> 'control. theyn't seem have control. >> 'control. theyn't sellocate 1ave any control. they can't locate him. shows that him. it just shows that everything in this country is a shambles. you can quite frankly, do whatever you want , shambles. you can quite frankly, do whatever you want, including sexually assault someone . and no sexually assault someone. and no one is going to tell you to get

out. no, no, that's where we are. >> that's where we are. well, listen , is there anything was listen, is there anything was meant to be yeah well, meant to be comedy? yeah well, this comedy. harry and this is comedy. harry and meghan. yeah there we go. >> go. harry, >> let's go. harry, please divorce that way. we've divorce meghan that way. we've all something to about i >> -- >> oh. bless him. no, harry, she's very nice she's probably a very nice woman. she probably is. >> is the thing. he's >> look, this is the thing. he's punching above his weight and he knows it. >> yeah, think that's that's >> yeah, i think that's that's where it. francis where we'll leave it. francis foster, you back on foster, when are you back on headliners? tonight. tonight headliners? oh, tonight. tonight headliners? yeah. nice one. all right, join right, we'll make sure you join francis headliners later on francis for headliners later on tonight 11. right now, this tonight at 11. right now, this is a gb news on tv , online and is a gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua andifs on digital radio. i'm nana akua and it's time for the great british giveaway. you could british giveaway. and you could win £18,000 totally tax free win £18,000 in totally tax free cash to spend however you like . cash to spend however you like. fancy the chance to make that yours? here's how we yours? well, here's how we wanted ten 2024 into 2020. >> more with your chance to win £18,000 in cash to spend. however you like, you really could be the next big winner of our great british giveaway. phil, from west yorkshire won our last one. listen to his

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on tv, online and on digital radio. we are the people's channel. it's now time though, for climate control where we unpick the debate around the climate and on the agenda. mps have warned that up to 10,000 people year in the uk could people a year in the uk could die as a result of heatwaves. if nothing is done , that's to avert nothing is done, that's to avert this crisis. according to the report from the environmental audit committee, the increased frequency of extreme heat events could also cost the economy £60 billion a year, as mps push for an emergency plan to deal with the looming crisis. so i'm joined now by meteorologist jim dale and also social commentator paul burgess. all right. well, i'm going to start with you because, jim, it is really you who talks climate. so talk to me about weather. sorry. so talk to me about the weather. why are we going to have these heatwaves and is it even true? >> um, yeah. true. >> um, yeah. it's true. >> um, yeah. it's true. >> uh, i think the magic, >> uh, i don't think the magic, magic, magic. magic, magic magic. >> is that the right word? >> is that the right word? >> yes. i don't think they sort of brought the rabbit the of brought the rabbit out of the out hat this one. out of the hat on this one. >> this is produced by

>> this is this is produced by scientists who are advising this particular committee what particular committee of what will temperatures move. >> now, one and a half degrees doesn't seem a lot. >> degrees doesn't seem lot. >> but as i've said before, if you into your human you put that into your human body, it does make big body, then it does make a big difference. and that difference. and those that they're about are they're talking about are essentially and the essentially the elderly and the infirm. that's where this is directed at. >> and those temperatures do make a difference when you get into low 40s, that into the high 30s, low 40s, that does have an effect. >> any doctor, ask any >> ask any doctor, ask any nurse, you will see an increase in people into the nhs at in people going into the nhs at that and that what that time, and that is what they're aiming at. >> but you'd have that with cold, so yeah, >> but you'd have that with cold, people so yeah, >> but you'd have that with cold, people probably) yeah,cold more people probably die of cold don't but but you know, i'm >> yeah, but but you know, i'm not in favour of anybody dying >> yeah, but but you know, i'm no cold avour of anybody dying >> yeah, but but you know, i'm no cold or)ur of anybody dying >> yeah, but but you know, i'm no cold or warm. anybody dying of cold or warm. >> so. so it's not a battle. the race to the bottom. it's a case of looking after at one side when go which will when it does go cold, which will happen for your information. >> and it goes to in >> um, and when it goes to in the same way. so i don't think anybody should be arguing that we looking after we shouldn't be looking after those suffer those that are going to suffer when warming, the when this global warming, the heat and things, it's are heat waves and things, it's are they of it?

they an example of it? >> without a shadow >> well, without a shadow of a doubt, graph is in one doubt, the graph is in one direction, direction. direction, one direction. >> does mean not every >> and it does mean not every single during single day, not during the middle as middle of winter, although as you saw last week, as you may have seen last week, we saw the 20 degrees c in northwest highlands, which is ridiculous for the time of year and a record . so it's going in that record. so it's going in that direction . i just think this is direction. i just think this is a case of looking at it isn't just health, by way , just about health, by the way, you saw 60 billion, 60 you saw the 60 billion, 60 billion is a lot of money. >> let me bring paul in. so he says that is definitely an says that this is definitely an example warming. example of global warming. there's that we example of global warming. the supposedly that we example of global warming. the supposedly going that we example of global warming. thesupposedly going to that we example of global warming. the supposedly going to be at we are supposedly going to be experiencing. that also your experiencing. is that also your view with that as well? >> it isn't. >> no it isn't. >> no it isn't. >> you look at this >> and if you look at this report, heat does kill. report, i mean heat does kill. he can kill. we know. and let's look back to 1911. yeah in 19 1140 , over 41,000 people died in 1140, over 41,000 people died in paris from heat, half of them babies. they didn't have air conditioning, of course, so they didn't have the fossil. you know, the air conditioning. which would be which fossil fuels would be needed . needed for. >> so and by the way , the >> but so and by the way, the temperature this is it, temperature then and this is it, the temperature 1911, this is

the temperature in 1911, this is on jim's graph that year was recorded as the coldest on jim's graph. >> and it was the heat wave that killed people. because killed 41,000 people. because same year, in the same year they adjusted downwards. see, adjusted it downwards. you see, history . history historically. >> so i'm just joining some dots together. >> there. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> go okay. so then what >> go on. okay. so then what this this committee's this what this committee's advising we have a minister about this, a minister appointed to just do things like paint your roof white and have shutters. >> so my advice to the public, if believe this nonsense , if they believe this nonsense, this go on holiday. this is don't go on holiday. >> go on holiday to the >> don't go on holiday to the canary islands. you're going to die. have few die. don't actually have a few degrees difference in temperature. to temperature. you're going to die. and a minister now . die. and we need a minister now. and billions of pounds. apparently spent on this. >> it's ridiculous. and you know what they're doing ? what they're doing? >> they've advised that we name a heat period like we name storms , because that makes storms, because that makes it bigger effective . so 20 bigger and more effective. so 20 degrees you need for degrees is all you need for a heat wave. >> 20 degrees is yeah, look , we >> 20 degrees is yeah, look, we shouldn't move away from what this is aimed at. and i already said it's aimed at the infirm.

>> it's aimed at the very elderly who can't look after themselves at 40 degrees. >> now we that. plus but, >> now we get that. plus but, but but now we've now moved on because we don't want anyone to die of heat or cold. and obviously advice is obviously the right advice is given. there are more given. and if there are more events of these given. and if there are more events they of these given. and if there are more events they needf these given. and if there are more events they need thezse given. and if there are more events they need the advice. things, they need the advice. >> you've touched on it. >> and now you've touched on it. >> and now you've touched on it. >> yes, we've moved on >> yes, but we've now moved on to about whether there's >> yes, but we've now moved on to to about whether there's >> yes, but we've now moved on to to lhlsil whether there's >> yes, but we've now moved on to to this with ether there's >> yes, but we've now moved on to to this with global|ere's >> yes, but we've now moved on to to this with global warming link to this with global warming . he paula said not . and he and paula said not really . really. >> e“- really. >> say absolutely. and it >> and i say absolutely. and it isn't that 1911 didn't isn't a case that 1911 didn't see a heat wave and people died isn't a case that 1911 didn't secourse,t wave and people died isn't a case that 1911 didn't se�*course, youre and people died isn't a case that 1911 didn't se�*course, you know, people died isn't a case that 1911 didn't se�*course, you know, evente died of course, you know, event s that are extreme do occur from time to time in history. that is absolutely the case. but what we're looking here or absolutely the case. but what we'rewe looking here or absolutely the case. but what we'rewe loclooking here or absolutely the case. but what we'rewe loclooking atre or absolutely the case. but what we'rewe loclooking at is or what we are looking at is a seamless move upwards. >> so going to see more >> so we're going to see more of this. >> e- e exactly why the >> this is exactly why the report has in. report has come in. >> not been ferried , you report has come in. >> suddenly] ferried , you report has come in. >> suddenly sprung , you report has come in. >> suddenly sprung out)u report has come in. >> suddenly sprung out of the know, suddenly sprung out of the rabbit i say, it's rabbit hole. as i say, it's scientific advice that means. and by the way, painting roofs white or surfaces white does make a big difference. >> you ever touch it when it's boiling hot in the summertime, you touch a white surface against and against the black surface and you the difference in

terms. >> i get very hot in summer. >> i get very hot in the summer. yeah, there we go. i love it and it's well, you love it . it's well, you may love it. >> are, there are. >> and there are, there are. >> and there are, there are. >> know that why >> and there are, there are. >> people ;now that why >> and there are, there are. >> people are! that why >> and there are, there are. >> people are darker why >> and there are, there are. >> people are darker to why black people are darker to absorb heat and why white absorb the heat and why white people lots of people need to wear lots of suntan because they suntan cream because they deflect the heat. >> there people >> and there were people out there this there who are looking at this program i'm program and saying, look, i'm okay degrees. okay with 40 degrees. it's not a problem. the point is, is there are many who are not okay. >> i know that know that. but >> i know that we know that. but we've will suffer. we've and they will suffer. we've moved on from that though, we've and they will suffer. we've mwe're)n from that though, we've and they will suffer. we've mwe're)n fromwhy: though, we've and they will suffer. we've mwe're )n fromwhy: tho is h, occurring. >> saying w“ >> and you're saying it's i'm saying, just saying, well, i'm not just saying, well, i'm not just saying in saying it. everybody else in terms of the scientific community, nasa, noaa, the met office, , the law, they're office, wmo, the law, they're all the thing . all saying the same thing. they're not no, they're not. >> and what i've done over the months jim present the months with jim is present the data. as present data. and as soon as i present the the met office data. >> no you don't. so on. no, jim, you're not even a qualified meteorologist sake, am. >> no you're not, you're not a chartered meteorologist . chartered meteorologist. >> you are not. you are not. >> listen, let me explain. >> listen, let me explain. >> let let him just accuse me. >> let let him just accuse me. >> let let him just accuse me. >> let me finish not being a let >> let let him just accuse me. >> finishz finish not being a let >> let let him just accuse me. >> finish theish not being a let >> let let him just accuse me. >> finish the answer. )eing a let >> let let him just accuse me. >> finish the answer. thank let >> let let him just accuse me. >> finish the answer. thank you. me finish the answer. thank you. there's this there's an association in this country the royal country called the royal meteorological association

country called the royal me' it)rological association country called the royal me' it)ro the :al association country called the royal me'it)ro the onlyssociation country called the royal me'it)ro the only byciation country called the royal me'it)ro the only by royaln >> it is the only by royal charter association deemed to certify meteorologists. and when you're a meteorology wokeist, you're a meteorology wokeist, you're known as a cmet. i've just looked at the qualifications, and when i was checking that jim, wasn't that when that when i was checking that checking an checking that he was just an observer navy observer in the royal navy observer in the royal navy observer temperature gauges and things . when i did that, things. when i did that, i checked with mr dale and funnily enough, the dale on the on enough, the mr dale on the on the qualified meteorologist . the qualified meteorologist. >> i would have qualified for it right. >> because, you know, he was doing things me. >> because, you know, he was doiiso things me. >> because, you know, he was doiiso i'm things me. >> because, you know, he was doiiso i'm saying1ings me. >> because, you know, he was doiiso i'm saying he's me. >> because, you know, he was doiiso i'm saying he's notme. >> because, you know, he was doiiso i'm saying he's not on the list. >> jim dale okay, so from paul the extreme right wing, uh, water resource manager okay. >> because that's what paul is not a climatologist by any stretch of the imagination. so, uh , what about you, though? so, uh, what about you, though? so, so my training was in the royal navy, qualified as a meteorological observer. navy, qualified as a meteorological observer . that meteorological observer. that was six months. and then two years probation, which you have to pass order to be a to pass in order to be a meteorologist. i then spent 35 years at founded british weather

service. after two years stint in a marine firm in london. >> uh, following that , following >> uh, following that, following that, what about formal qualifications ? qualifications? >> because that is a formal qualification. >> also has experience like you, many, many years of it, which is a water resource engineer . wait, a water resource engineer. wait, wait, let me finish in my view, you can either have the qualifications or you've got lots lots of experience, lots and lots of experience, which years. which you have over many years. which . let me which which i have. let me finish which you are now citing as reasons why you're as one of the reasons why you're as one of the reasons why you're a so he's no less a meteorologist. so he's no less of a climate scientist you, a meteorologist. so he's no less of meteorologist. ntist you, a meteorologist. >> no , no, no. so i'm >> so no, no, no, no. so i'm also— >> so no, no, no, no. so i'm also a published author. two books. >> also an expert witness in >> i'm also an expert witness in court where i do murder, manslaughter tas. >> you don't get geology. >> you don't get geology. >> you don't get geology. >> you don't get to go in court as an expert witness unless you are a qualified expert. >> they see my qualifications. >> they see my qualifications. >> you're not. but the point this is just. no. >> you're not. but the point this isjust. no. hold >> you're not. but the point this is just. no. hold on. you're an expert, but you're part qualification. is part of your qualification. is the have the experience that you have with course you don't with it. of course you don't appear 35 years of the certificate . certificate. >> yes, i've got the certificate along. >> so, paul, he says that he's

got. which certificate is it you're asking? >> he got observer, >> he only got the observer, which technical level to which is a technical level to read things. read thermometers and things. >> please. >> no, let me finish. please. >> no, let me finish. please. >> finish. well, i'm just asking. >> he's only the basics. >> he's only got the basics. he's what and he's only got what we do and he's professional he's not a professional meteorologist. a meteorologist. that's just a fact. this country, there's fact. in this country, there's only allowed to only one organisation allowed to give only one organisation allowed to giv> what is. >> what is. >> and it's the royal meteorological way, meteorological and by the way, paid would paid for what you do. i would like the about me . like to answer the bit about me. >> let finish and then we'll >> let him finish and then we'll come also >> let him finish and then we'll com> let him finish and then we'll com like to answer that. >> i'd like to answer that. >> i'd like to answer that. >> not okay. finish. >> right. not okay. i'm finish. i'm accepted by as i'm accepted by clinton as a climate scientist my climate scientist because my work erg. i was work was hydroclimate erg. i was looking into the real world for droughts, floods , and i found droughts, floods, and i found the sunspot cycle in the in that data, etc. so i did a lot of work on that. in addition to that, i've been in charge of a whole country's meteorological measuring system and so on. so in addition to that, i've got a master science it, and so master of science in it, and so on. so what jim doesn't understand because he has no scientific training is scientific training at all, is that go to look that when you go to look up and anyone do this and i've got anyone can do this and i've got the qualifications here if you want to see it, if want to

want to see it, if you want to go and be a meteorologist in the royal society. >> see, a chap straight away. >> the first one i looked at who's got same experience as who's got the same experience as me. who's got the same experience as me we have slightly different >> we have slightly different experience, same. experience, but the same. i'm qualified he's not so. 50. >> so. >> so he's. i think we qualified at all. no, no , i think we can at all. no, no, i think we can stop there because you've given you've also said that somebody has experience and they're qualified. he experience and qualified. he has experience and certificates. you both certificates. you are both qualified certificates. you are both que so ed certificates. you are both queso we're here. >> so we're here. >> so we're here. >> saying that me. >> so we're here. >> and saying that me. >> so we're here. >> and paul's'ing that me. >> so we're here. >> and paul's out that me. >> so we're here. >> and paul's out ont me. >> so we're here. >> and paul's out on a me. >> so we're here. >> and paul's out on a limb�*. >> and paul's out on a limb somewhere with the of >> and paul's out on a limb somewith�*e with the of >> and paul's out on a limb somewith a with the of >> and paul's out on a limb somewith a little with the of >> and paul's out on a limb somewith a little section of of with with a little section of the i've the the universe. and i've got the met office, noah, nasa and everybody else behind so i'm everybody else behind me. so i'm quite happy with that. >> listen , you're >> no, listen, listen, you're both but you both very qualified, but you cannot continue to tell paul that he has not got qualifications. he's told you, and you you've said as well remember hang remember it was remember hang on, it was other way around. on, it was the other way around. >> remember the. >> remember the. >> do you the other >> what do you mean the other waypaul me out. well, not >> paul called me out. well, not remember have called me out remember you have called me out continually well. continually as well. >> two of you, two of >> so the two of you, the two of you. we accept that we are you. now, we accept that we are both qualified. you're both qualified, different

qualified, but in different ways. no more of that. thank you very okay. thank you very much. okay. thank you very much. meteorologist, much. jim dale, meteorologist, and climate and paul burgess, climate scientist. this is gb news on tv, digital radio. tv, online and on digital radio. i'm coming up, i'm nana akua coming up, political spotlight. joining me to former to shine a light. this former home norman home office minister norman baken home office minister norman baker, as we discuss britain's broken system. but first, broken asylum system. but first, let's latest news let's get your latest news headunes. headlines. >> thanks , nana. it's 334. i'm >> thanks, nana. it's 334. i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom. michelle o'neill has been elected as the first nationalist, first minister of northern ireland. >> power sharing has returned after two years following an agreement between the dup and the government over post—brexit trade . trade. >> the dup has nominated emma little—pengelly as deputy fm, a role that carries equal legal power. >> o'neill says today opens the door to the future as we mark a moment of equality and a moment of progress, a new opportunity .

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minutes after 3:00. >> i'm nana akua welcome on board. this is gb news news. we are the people's channel. don't forget as well you can download the free gb news app. but now it's the free gb news app. but now wsfime the free gb news app. but now it's time for my healthwatch as elon musk has faced criticism this in in the week after this week in in the week after it was revealed that musk tested his neuralink technology on animals before claiming to have put a neuralink implant into a human for the very first time. now, with documents showing that the used by bio glue to the company used by bio glue to patch up holes in monkeys heads after operations , the after operations, the revelations have started a debate over whether animal testing can be justified . and if testing can be justified. and if i could possibly put a stop to this practice in the future . this practice in the future. well, joining me now is reuben skeets peters, anti—vivisection campaign leader. uh, okay. reuben, what do you make of this? i mean, elon musk is coming up with something that could potentially help with people who have become paralysed, and he can't possibly put that into humans. well, what's what's your thoughts ? what's what's your thoughts? >> hi, lana. uh, thanks for

having me on. >> um, well, you know, i think most compassionate people already know the answers to a lot of these questions . lot of these questions. >> um, you know, um , how can, >> um, you know, um, how can, um, drilling holes into the heads of monkeys , um, giving heads of monkeys, um, giving cancer to mice ? cancer to mice? >> um, you know, forcing rats to experience, uh, near drowning , experience, uh, near drowning, all of which happen in the uk. >> ever be anything but cruel? everybody knows it. >> it's just some people have a hard time admitting it that, uh, animals. all experimentation is wrong . wrong. >> animals lives are their own . >> animals lives are their own. >> animals lives are their own. >> and that means that we have no to exploit, harm, no right to exploit, harm, kill them simply for our own purposes, especially when numerous groundbreaking, non—animal alternatives exist and if people want to learn more about that, they can go to peta.org .uk . peta.org .uk. >> well, well, okay, so what for this particular thing then this chip that was put into a human, uh, ultimately , how could this uh, ultimately, how could this be tested without using an animal before it goes into human? >> um, well, we're often under

the impression that there's this, like, um , dichotomy where this, like, um, dichotomy where we either have to do a ghastly test on an animal or we have to do it on a human instead. but the fact is that forward thinking scientists are already using and developing , um, using and developing, um, non—animal methods that are actually superior to the animal methods . so we're talking about, methods. so we're talking about, um, sophisticated tests that use human cells and tissues, because obviously we're trying to treat human diseases. right. or um, you've got organ on a chip technology which replicates human organs. so we've got, um, microbes , brains, and we've got microbes, brains, and we've got computer modelling. and actually the science is showing in studies is showing again and again and again. now these methods are actually better than non—animal methods, than animal methods at, um, modelling human diseases and replicating, uh, how the human body deals with, um, drugs as well. >> some of those things might be, but others where you're trying to see how something evolves in inside a species . so evolves in inside a species. so you might have created some sort

of cure or something, and you're trying to work out how it will work in humans. i don't trying to work out how it will work in humans . i don't really work in humans. i don't really think that there is an alternative, and i'm sure that these all these things, they obviously make sure that obviously try and make sure that they don't need to test with animals. you actually animals. but are you actually saying to saying that we don't need to test things on test any of these things on animals at all? >> yeah, absolutely. we just, um, have absolutely no right to be experimenting on animals , you be experimenting on animals, you know, just like us. >> um, they experience pain, fear, joy , joy, you know, just fear, joy, joy, you know, just like us. there instinct is to live and to live freely . and so live and to live freely. and so what this means is we have to consider their interests and, you know, their moral rights . you know, their moral rights. um, if we take a step back and consider, for instance, human rights, um, we don't receive human rights simply because we're intelligent or , uh, we're intelligent or, uh, because we have sophisticated language or autonomy or because we participate in civil society . we participate in civil society. we receive human rights because we're vulnerable to those who might abuse their power. and this is the same situation that

animals find themselves in. and so, of course, they deserve those rights, too . those rights, too. >> but you could say that about anything. you could say that about plant . you could say about a plant. you could say that about anything that's living, has equal living, that it has equal rights. and then i don't know how far you'd get. you wouldn't eat , you wouldn't do eat anything, you wouldn't do anything . so where does it where anything. so where does it where are you drawing the line? do you eat meat? >> um, well , eat meat? >> um, well, i'll, uh no, i don't consume meat. but the difference between, obviously a plant and an animal here is, um, we use it. the reason we use animals is because they have certain similarities to us. but those similarities include the reasons that we wouldn't be testing on humans. right. so those similarities include their sensitivity to pain. they include their fear. they include food, um, you know, their desire to make strong familial bonds. but then we actually have huge differences on that kind of micro level , differences on that kind of micro level, um, where we're trying to create , uh, drugs and trying to create, uh, drugs and these other methods. as i mentioned before, the organ on a chip technology, computerised

models , um, they're actually models, um, they're actually developed with humans in mind, obviously , other animals aren't obviously, other animals aren't just mini humans. um, and so they work much better . they work much better. >> yeah. i mean, look, in a, in an— >> yeah. i mean, look, in a, in an ideal world, you would never test on any animals, but the reality is. excuse me, the reality is. excuse me, the reality is. excuse me, the reality is that we are i don't i don't believe that we don't need to test things on animals. i think we do, but i don't really like the idea of it. and i think it is pretty awful. but if you gave the between gave me the choice between a human an animal, then human and an animal, then obviously would the obviously i would pick the animal. and do you do you think that probably share animal. and do you do you think that view probably share animal. and do you do you think that view ? probably share that view? >> well, i mean, i think most people, if they were aware , um, people, if they were aware, um, of what was going on, would certainly be pretty desperate to be looking for non—animal methods . and the fact is, the methods. and the fact is, the reason that we, uh, find ourselves so dependent on animals to test drugs in the uk is because actually, by law, they have to be tested. that doesn't mean that they needed to be, or that the alternatives wouldn't potentially, in fact,

work better. um, you know, you can get from paris to berlin by walking, but you'll get there a lot quicker if you take the train or fly right. and that's the same situation we're in with animal testing, where, um, if we weren't using animal data and we weren't using animal data and we were using forward thinking alternatives, um, more than likely we'd actually find the pace of innovation was much quicker and, and, and that should be the direction we move in. >> well, i would hope so. but i think sometimes if you were the person who was paralysed and this test needed to be done, an animal, that you animal, i think that you probably don't know, probably i don't know, i sometimes think that people it's easier you're easier to say and until you're actually who it actually the person who it affects. but listen, it's really good you. thank you good to talk to you. thank you very reuben very much. reuben. that's reuben skeets. very much. reuben. that's reuben ske

for lewes in east sussex, he was promoted to be a minister for state at the home office in the coalition government in 2013. so joining me to shine a light as former home office minister norman baker. norman thank you very much for joining norman baker. norman thank you very much forjoining me. pleased to be nana kc pleased to be here. nana i kc i did then you to did that. then you had to take a dnnk did that. then you had to take a drink water. you're no, drink of water. you're like, no, not hate it when that not me. i hate it when that happens. norman, happens. but listen, norman, let's um , the let's start with, um, the political, the political scene at the moment, we are in a very interesting want interesting place. i want to get straight home straight in with the home office. was office. seeing as that was one of your roles in politics of your major roles in politics as well. what do you make of how we the home office is we are, how the home office is working moment? working at the moment? >> i've always thought that home office quite dysfunctional, office was quite dysfunctional, more most government more so than most government departments, and certainly in my time there, i didn't find it particularly impressive. there were people who were trying to do their best in the civil service, but actually the thing didn't across a row didn't gel. i came across a row from the department of transport, had for transport, which had been for three bit years, and that three and a bit years, and that was a much more seamlessly organised you wanted to delivered what you wanted to deliver. and the home office was particularly difficult it

particularly difficult when it came it came to immigration issues. it wasn't my portfolio, i might say, and hs2 wasn't a matter of fact, but immigration wasn't. but um, you know, even then it was quite clear there was a huge backlog. it's got a lot worse ever since then. um, you've got people waiting to be having their fate determined. that's not good for the country because we're people we're ending up with people milling around and we're paying for them be hotels or for them to be in hotels or wherever equal from wherever they are equal from those view, if they're those point of view, if they're genuine refugees they've genuine refugees and they've come horrific come from a horrific circumstances, as have, circumstances, as many have, then they want to be assimilated and contribute to society and not be allowed to work, which is the position is to not use them into their full capacity so the system doesn't work to work. >> do you think i do, i think, well, first of all, i think the numbers on the waiting list should be dramatically reduced by efficient by being more efficient and the home slow . home office is really slow. >> people who >> the number of people who came, over last came, i think, over the last year single figures, year in single figures, percentage wise, those who had their fate determined, that's hopelessly inefficient. >> bad that should >> it was very bad that should be out. be sorted out. >> but but yes, i think the

people who are waiting here should contribute should be allowed to contribute to society. first of we to society. first of all, we save public purse some money to society. first of all, we savesecondlyic purse some money to society. first of all, we savesecondly ,: purse some money to society. first of all, we savesecondly , aerse some money to society. first of all, we savesecondly , as a;e some money to society. first of all, we savesecondly , as a mattere money to society. first of all, we save secondly , as a matter ofioney and secondly, as a matter of just self—respect for them . um, just self—respect for them. um, and many them are people like and many of them are people like doctors nurses and teachers. doctors and nurses and teachers. they're qualified people doctors and nurses and teachers. theycome qualified people doctors and nurses and teachers. theycome across|lified people doctors and nurses and teachers. theycome across on ed people doctors and nurses and teachers. theycome across on boats»ple doctors and nurses and teachers. theycome across on boats and who come across on boats and elsewhere . they should be elsewhere. they should be allowed to contribute to society . you've got to bear in allowed to contribute to society .you've got to bear in mind that forced of .you've got to bear in mind that countries forced of .you've got to bear in mind that countries, forced of .you've got to bear in mind that countries , often'ced of .you've got to bear in mind that countries , often these of .you've got to bear in mind that countries , often these are: their countries, often these are people who have got a great intelligence , who have got intelligence, who have got courage, who are often political people who said, we want to improve our country and the dictators , nasty people at the dictators, nasty people at the top of the country say , we want top of the country say, we want top of the country say, we want to you. and they're to persecute you. and they're the so the ones who end up leaving so often . these are very often. these are very intelligent people come intelligent people who come across, and ought to be using across, and we ought to be using those having those people, not having them stuck ghastly hotel stuck in some ghastly hotel somewhere expense. but stuck in some ghastly hotel s( lot where expense. but stuck in some ghastly hotel s( lot of ere expense. but stuck in some ghastly hotel s( lot of them, expense. but stuck in some ghastly hotel s( lot of them, you expense. but stuck in some ghastly hotel s( lot of them, you know,ense. but stuck in some ghastly hotel s(lot of them, you know, go e. but a lot of them, you know, go missing . missing. >> um, we can't account for at least 17,000 people, so their whereabouts have disappeared. and that's tip of the and that's just the tip of the iceberg. also the processing iceberg. and also the processing is and ultimately is taking so long and ultimately we don't. i mean, where will they go? this is this is

they all go? this is this is the thing. they've been thing. once they've been processed quickly, do we really have the space in this country to accommodate such a. >> well, i mean, first of all, if they if they disappears, partly been partly because we've been sitting long sitting around for such a long time being given time and not being given a formula to either leave or go . formula to either leave or go. secondly, in terms of who's here and who's not here, the liberal democrats in the coalition actually introduced a policy to require exit checks . so we know require exit checks. so we know who's leaving the country and therefore, by definition, who's still here. so i don't know what happened to those exit checks, but essential , happened to those exit checks, but essential, in my but they were essential, in my view, a handle on on view, for keeping a handle on on matters terms of the numbers matters in terms of the numbers of well, of people in the country. well, i clearly the population i mean, clearly the population is up quite significantly . is going up quite significantly. um, we physically got the room . um, we physically got the room. i mean, we got fewer people per square say, holland square mile than, say, holland orindeed square mile than, say, holland or indeed hong kong or places. so there is a capacity in that sense. what's not happened, however , is successive however, is successive governments have not put in the infrastructure to with infrastructure for to deal with the population , the increased population, whether domestic increase the increased population, wiwhether domestic increase the increased population, wiwhether docoming ncrease the increased population, wiwhether docoming nc|from or whether it's coming in from overseas. sense , it overseas. uh, in a sense, it doesn't matter for the numbers,

but we don't have the infrastructure for that. the infrastructure for that. so the health creaking. we health service is creaking. we don't schools . um, don't have enough schools. um, the bus services aren't running in areas. in our rural areas. >> all this. we put >> we know all this. we can put a the things we a list on all the things we don't exactly. a list on all the things we don't but exactly. a list on all the things we don't but exa(not been a list on all the things we don't butexa(not been planned >> and but it's not been planned for and therefore we're having to more people same to put more people into the same infrastructure 20 years ago. infrastructure as 20 years ago. >> um, well, i don't want to ask you about ed davey should ed davey resign ? he said, sorry in davey resign? he said, sorry in a sort of roundabout way. >> well, i mean, look, i mean, i'll give you a perfectly honest opinion, which i don't think opinion, which is i don't think it's well handled by it's been very well handled by ed or by any of the other ministers . i ed or by any of the other ministers. i mean, ed or by any of the other ministers . i mean, look, it's ministers. i mean, look, it's very convenient the right very convenient for the right wing on ed davey, wing press to pick on ed davey, who postal who was a postal offices minister. lots of minister. but so are lots of conservatives, lots of labour, because he had called times because he had called 34 times for resign on. for people to resign on. >> so he had i mean, like because literally anything that anyone's done, he keeps saying they've got to resign. so now he's something. yes. that's he's done something. yes. that's the the dilemma . the that's the dilemma. >> well, two wrongs don't make a right. i don't think right. i mean, i don't think that, um, i don't would that, um, i don't think i would have didn't call for of have i didn't call for lots of people when was people to resign when i was a minister, or when i was in

minister, or even when i was in opposition. only opposition. i think the only person resign person i ever called to resign was mandelson. my was peter mandelson. back in my opposition was quite opposition days, i was quite selective so selective about that. um, so i think it's probably not sensible selective about that. um, so i thikeep s probably not sensible selective about that. um, so i thikeep s proba for not sensible selective about that. um, so i thikeep s proba for people sible selective about that. um, so i thikeep s proba for people to le to keep calling for people to resign. on the merits of the resign. so on the merits of the case, i do think been very case, i do think it's been very well ed or by other well handled by ed or by other ministers. tory and labour. >> but should he resign? no i don't should resign. don't think he should resign. >> he's bit of a >> but i think he's a bit of a dose of humility no bad thing i >> -- >> yeah, -_ >> yeah, he doesn't appear to have doesn't have that, though. he doesn't particularly. i mean, it was difficult particularly. i mean, it was diffichim and we about a from him and we got about a minute talk me about minute left. talk to me about your in the home office your role in the home office because i you with because i know you said with regard testing regard to animal testing that you for you were the minister for animal. mean , i had a very >> yes. i mean, i had a very wide portfolio, including deaung wide portfolio, including dealing um, sexual abuse dealing with, um, sexual abuse of children and violence against women and um, so quite women and girls. um, so quite a horrific things i had to deal with and animal experiments is one of those very of one of those i'm very proud of the when the fact that when i was a minister, i launched on behalf of government, the first of the government, the first ever setting out ever document setting out alternatives to animal experiments . and there's a experiments. and there's a couple of things nobody wants experiments. and there's a couple experiments,ody wants experiments. and there's a couple experiments, as! wants experiments. and there's a couple experiments, as you 1ts experiments. and there's a couple experiments, as you said, animal experiments, as you said, nana but nana nobody wants them. no, but the is what we the issue is what we demonstrated. and actually your

guy referred to on peter, i wanted to go there are alternatives work, but alternatives which work, but also not forget also let's not let's not forget this. animals are not the same as humans. and you experiment this. animals are not the same as h|an3ns. and you experiment this. animals are not the same as h|an animal, you experiment this. animals are not the same as h|an animal, you )u experiment this. animals are not the same as h|an animal, you can't)eriment with an animal, you can't necessarily assume that the effect of the animal is the same as your effect on humans. lemon juice on cats is quite fatal. rats don't mind strychnine. you can't always extrapolate from animals to humans. >> right, listen , >> all right, well, listen, norman, thank much. norman, thank you so much. really to you. i really good to talk to you. i could talk to you for ages. you'll have come for you'll have to come back for another spotlight, you'll have to come back for anothewe'll spotlight, you'll have to come back for anothewe'll shine;potlight, you'll have to come back for anothewe'll shine;potligh that where we'll shine a light that is baker. is of course, norman baker. waterson because waterson stay with me, because i'll my amazing i'll be joined by my amazing panel from columnist panel broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy and labour lizzie cundy and former labour party but party adviser matthew laza. but next digest next it is my digest or monologue politicians safety. monologue on politicians safety. but now let's get some weather. >> looks things are heating >> looks like things are heating up boxt boiler is sponsors of weather on gb news . weather on gb news. >> hello there . i'm jonathan >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office , some of us have met office, some of us have managed see few sunny managed to see a few sunny spells way through spells poked their way through over course of today. but

over the course of today. but increasingly, as head increasingly, as we head into the half weekend, the second half of the weekend, it cloud going to it is the cloud that's going to be way out, turning be winning its way out, turning quite murky in places , quite murky in places, particularly southern particularly across southern half and half of the uk. some hill and coastal tonight , the coastal fog around tonight, the cloud into cloud eventually spreading into northern ireland, northern england and scotland later on, as drizzle as well. some areas of drizzle to out for mild night to watch out for a mild night for all of us. temperatures between degrees between seven ten degrees celsius. are actually celsius. these are actually where we'd normally expect to be dunng where we'd normally expect to be during the daytime point during the daytime at this point in year. that's in the year. the rain that's slowly its into the slowly pushing its way into the northwest associated with northwest is all associated with this warm that's pushing this warm front that's pushing its north eastwards during its way north eastwards during tonight and monday. so it tonight and into monday. so it will quite a damp, will turn into quite a damp, dreary start for northern ireland and then eventually that rain into northern rain spreading into northern england and throughout england and scotland throughout the for the day. some drizzle still for western wales, southwest england, into afternoon england, but into the afternoon for central england, eastern england . we could see some sunny england. we could see some sunny spells again , trying to poke spells again, trying to poke their times , but their way through at times, but a for all of us, a blustery day for all of us, some winds some quite strong gusty winds pushing in from the southwest. but that is very mild but that is a very mild direction. again , direction. so again, temperatures are going to be above time of above average for the time of year nine that

year between nine 13 c. that rain is still persistent on monday, with a rain warning in force western scotland could force for western scotland could actually snow the actually see some snow on the leading of that for the leading edge of that for the far north. the south, north. further to the south, still quite cloudy with some drizzle to that drizzle and we hold on to that mild in the south during mild theme in the south during the but perhaps the coming week. but perhaps something a chillier something a bit chillier arriving the north towards arriving for the north towards the of the by by the middle of the week by by that warm feeling inside from boxt boiler as sponsors of weather on gb news .

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first minister has pledged to work with unionists to build a better future for northern ireland. michelle o'neill's historic appointment was confirmed as power sharing returned to the province for the first time in two years. it follows an agreement between the dup and the government over post—brexit trade. >> the sinn fein vice president says today opens the door to the future. >> the dup's emma little—pengelly has become the new deputy fm, a role that carries equal legal power. michelle o'neill is promising to be inclusive and respectful to all. >> we mark a moment of equality and a moment of progress , a new and a moment of progress, a new opportunity to work and to grow together . confident in that together. confident in that wherever we come from, whatever our aspirations are, we can and we must build our future together . we must build our future together. i'm really delighted together. i'm really delighted to see every mla back in this chamber today , and i welcome the chamber today, and i welcome the fact that the dup have decided to re—enter the democratic institutions, and that the outcome of last year's assembly

election is now being respected . election is now being respected. many budgetary decisions in northern ireland have been on hold for the last two years. >> in the absence of a devolved government, people there say that this has taken too long. >> i think it's about time. >> i think it's about time. >> i think that's what probably most people would say. um, it's been such a, you know , a gap and been such a, you know, a gap and a and a lull in not having any degree of government whatsoever . degree of government whatsoever. and it's been very detrimental to everyone involved . to everyone involved. >> i think it's a good thing that they're all back going back, because at the end of the day, they're getting paid for doing nothing. >> not only are they just got back, been told back, we've just been told they're full pay they're getting their full pay and people going on and there's people going on strike. know, they get strike. you know, they get money, but they get there straight away. just like that . straight away. just like that. >> police are still searching for a suspected chemical attacker , abdul ezedi, who has attacker, abdul ezedi, who has significant injuries to the right hand side of his face, was last seen travelling southbound

on a victoria line train london's kings cross station, on wednesday night. 31 year old mother, who was attacked with a corrosive substance, remains in hospital. her two young daughters were also hurt , but daughters were also hurt, but not as badly as first thought. forensic tests are being carried out on two empty containers found at an address in newcastle , carrying corrosive warning labels . former detective chief labels. former detective chief superintendent kevin hurley says zigi is running out of options . zigi is running out of options. >> he has either gone into hiding or is being hidden by friends or relatives , or friends or relatives, or alternatively , um, he's killed alternatively, um, he's killed himself because where he comes from , uh, culturally, because from, uh, culturally, because i've worked in afghanistan a couple of tours in kabul, the view of some elements of the afghan community is that women are lesser mortals than dogs. so if he's with a group of afghans who think he's quite rightly, we punish potential someone who was in a relationship , they will

in a relationship, they will almost see nothing wrong with what he's done . what he's done. >> well, meanwhile , the home >> well, meanwhile, the home office is being urged to carry out an urgent review into how abdul ezedi was allowed to remain in the united kingdom. the suspect, who's from afghanistan , was convicted of afghanistan, was convicted of a sexual offence in 2018 and given a suspended sentence. >> he was granted asylum after two failed attempts when a priest confirmed that he had converted to christianity . iraq converted to christianity. iraq has accused the united states of putting the middle east on, quote, the brink of an abyss. >> following a series of air strikes overnight, the us struck 85 targets in syria and iraq in response to a drone attack on a us military base that killed three soldiers last weekend . three soldiers last weekend. >> nearly 40 people, including civilians, have been killed . civilians, have been killed. >> the uk says it remains a steadfast ally of the us and supports washington's right to respond to attacks from militant groups linked to iran, iraq's

warned that the strikes will have disastrous consequences for the region . the region. >> well, french police have ruled out terrorism as a motive for a knife attack at a train station in paris earlier. for a knife attack at a train station in paris earlier . a station in paris earlier. a suspect has been arrested following the incident at gare de lyon this morning. three people were hurt but didn't suffer life threatening injuries. french media are saying that the attacker was from mali and carried an italian driving licence . the train driving licence. the train drivers strike is again hitting parts of the country. members of aslef at avanti west coast, east midlands railway and west midlands railway and west midlands railway, the staging a 24 hour walkout over pay and conditions. >> the action started earlier this week and will continue on monday, while a ban on overtime time will last until tuesday . time will last until tuesday. football fans attending renee league games will be among those affected has left, saying that drivers have not had a pay rise for almost five years. >> the government is urging the union to accept an offer made

last year for the latest story , last year for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to news.com.au alerts. >> now back to . nana >> now back to. nana >> now back to. nana >> thank you ray , you're with >> thank you ray, you're with me. it's fast approaching seven minutes after 4:00. i'm nana akua. minutes after 4:00. i'm nana akua . we're live on gb news on akua. we're live on gb news on tv, online and on digital . tv, online and on digital. radio. after yet another mp, mike freer, steps down, fearing for his safety. i can finally say that i agree with something that angela rayner is saying , that angela rayner is saying, she said. i think what people need to understand is that you can disagree with a member of parliament, whichever political party they are . well, i couldn't party they are. well, i couldn't agree more, she went on to say that constant threats and abuse, and the fact that we've had two of our colleagues murdered in

the last couple of years does weigh on minds. well of weigh on our minds. well of course, she's talking about the murders of jo cox and sir david amess i remember his death. i had just done a slot on jeremy vine in the morning when gary lineker decided to call me vile on social media to his 8.2 million followers. at the time, it creating a pile on of hate . it creating a pile on of hate. he knew the effect it would have. he how could he not? i got the usual stuff alongside a load of death threats . i complained of death threats. i complained to but nothing to the bbc, but nothing happened. that's the problem these days. we've got a generation of people who believe that they hold the moral high ground, so any manner of behaviour goes, take the pro—palestine protesters, they believe that they are right and many are chanting from the river to the sea, which pretty much any jewish i've ever met any jewish person i've ever met has found deeply offensive . has found deeply offensive. others on these marches haven't got a clue what they're talking aboutin got a clue what they're talking about in the dictionary. >> zionism is the belief that jews should have a homeland. >> that's what it says. i think

that's fair. >> i that's fair. >> i think that's fair. >> i think that's fair. >> palestine wasn't empty. >> but palestine wasn't empty. >> but palestine wasn't empty. >> palestine had people in it. >> palestine had people in it. >> and you can't just take over a land where people are living and say, now we plant a flag and now it's ours. >> you can't do that. >> you can't do that. >> the united nations gave the land to israel in 48, and the balfour declaration was wrong. >> and i think and i disagree , >> and i think and i disagree, that, um, it's fairing any way, shape or form . and also it's an shape or form. and also it's an ethno state. >> they're trying to israel is trying to create a state where there are only jewish people. >> where else in the world do you have that? >> but there are 2 million israeli arabs that have the same rights jews living rights as israeli jews living in israel . israel. >> f- f the same rights . >> they have the same rights. >> they have the same rights. >> yeah, 2 million is 20% of the population are arab muslim , population are arab muslim, right? okay. well why are they why are they trapping people in gaza and the west bank then? >> and because they feel like in gaza, it's a response to the hamas october 7th attacks. >> and they i think they feel

like they need to dismantle hamas . hamas. >> hamas was set up by israel hamas. >> hamas was setup by israel, >> hamas was set up by israel, and hamas was set up by israel, who helped to set up hamas when sorry highlights hamas . sorry highlights hamas. >> i thought he was iranian. >> i thought he was iranian. >> so with financing hamas, no, that's propaganda . that's propaganda. >> are jewish? no, i mean, >> are you jewish? no, i mean, it doesn't matter. >> no, i wondered , are you >> no, i just wondered, are you a zionist? i it doesn't a zionist? i know it doesn't matter does to me if matter. it does matter to me if you're zionist, why matter. it does matter to me if you're zionist , why it m atter? >> matter? >> because want to know what >> because i want to know what your is. your agenda is. >> do you need know? >> why do you need to know? >> why do you need to know? >> here interviewing people. you need to know people. you n >> you don't need to know what i do want to know what your agenda is. need to know, is. you don't need to know, though. need to though. well, i don't need to speak more then. though. well, i don't need to speokay more then. though. well, i don't need to speokay ? more then. >> okay? >> okay? >> i mean, the debates are these days are so polarised that they almost encourage extremism and an inability to think critically , which i believe is partly why we find ourselves here, at least if a politician calls for help, the police won't take hours to get to them. they'll get medical treatment pretty sharp. it's not that any consolation, but that that's any consolation, but they're in charge of keeping law

and in this country and and order in this country and they failed. whilst i'm not blaming them for the rogue actions of crazy individuals, it doesn't that they've doesn't help that they've collectively such a bad job collectively done such a bad job policing our borders. rishi sunak has failed to deal with the intimidation that many mps face, angela should be more face, but angela should be more concerned that things will get worse with her soft touch party, especially when it comes to immigration. with sir keir starmer at the helm , i don't starmer at the helm, i don't blame mike for standing down, but let's be totally honest, the tories on the current trajectory are staring annihilation in the face. so if he hadn't agreed to step down not contest the step down and not contest the next general election, he probably wouldn't be in his seat after it in any case. but to be fair to him , his office was fair to him, his office was firebombed on christmas eve. i'd have gone then. so the fact that he on after that is he stayed on after that is testament commitment to testament to his commitment to the who would want to the role. but who would want to do job anyway ? so before we do the job anyway? so before we get stuck into the debate,

here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, should convicted criminals ever be offered asylum? abdul azadi, an afghanistan born man , granted an afghanistan born man, granted asylum in the uk despite a sexual offence conviction is wanted for throwing an alkali substance at a mother and her daughters. the man hung continues so did this one slip through the net, then , at 450, through the net, then, at 450, it's royal round—up time. royal biographer angela levin will be here the latest from here to give us the latest from behind walls on the behind the palace walls on the menu is queen camilla holding up the the royal the ceiling during the royal family current hospitalisations and then at five, not literally, obviously , then at five. it's obviously, then at five. it's this week's difficult conversation on fatima. whitbread be live in the whitbread will be live in the studio. had a tough studio. she's had a tough upbringing and she was abandoned by mother at just by her biological mother at just three but now she's three months old. but now she's gone breaking world gone on to breaking world records in the european athletics championships and also doing incredible work for doing some incredible work for charity. you won't want to miss that. coming the that. that's coming up in the next tell what you next hour. tell me what you think we're think on everything we're discussing. gb views discussing. email gb views gbnews.com tweet me at . gb

gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. all right. let's welcome again to my panel, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. and also former labour party adviser matthew le le matthew laza . i matthew le le matthew laza. i take it as a sign of affection. it is. it is a tum of endearment. >> absolutely . >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> well, i could start with you as labour man. yeah. uh, yeah. as a labour man. yeah. uh, yeah. so sad. very sad. so it's very sad. it's very sad. has got a point. >> no, absolutely. i mean, i think politicians all think that politicians of all parties, have got a point parties, uh, have got a point that their security is at that their security is now at risk. frankly, it's risk. in a way, frankly, it's never before . and i think never been before. and i think that's, for two reasons. one that's, uh, for two reasons. one of polarisation of of which is the polarisation of debate, as said in your debate, as you said in your monologue, and how monologue, nana, and just how angry people have got and how self—righteous people have got. >> mean, that clip is the clip >> i mean, that clip is the clip you is extraordinary. you saw is extraordinary. >> the street. it's in >> i know the street. it's in manchester. know manchester. um, i know that street well. is, street very well. the lad is, i think, 13. >> the person who's >> um, the person who's interviewing had a very clear vision and started you vision and he started and, you know, that we're now at know, the idea that we're now at the where you kind of have the stage where you kind of have a 13 year old for being

a go at a 13 year old for being a go at a 13 year old for being a zionist, asking a zionist, um, and asking difficult rather than difficult questions rather than actually just admiring the fact that interested that they're interested in engaged, disagree engaged, even if you disagree with just an example >> it's just an example of how polarised the second polarised it is. and the second one is which also takes one of which is which also takes us that it's about us back to that clip. it's about smartphones. now in the old smartphones. so now in the old days, you used and shout days, you used to go and shout at mp if you saw mp in at your mp if you saw your mp in the it was just you, the street, but it was just you, them and whoever. the man with them and whoever. the man with the walking the dog, them and whoever. the man with the could walking the dog, them and whoever. the man with the could you�*alking the dog, them and whoever. the man with the could you now,g the dog, them and whoever. the man with the could you now, of he dog, them and whoever. the man with the could you now, of course. who could see you now, of course it's the clip it's all about getting the clip to with, which means to go viral with, which means that put you know, that you want to put you know, baby murderer over mps offices, that you want to put you know, babyl murderer over mps offices, that you want to put you know, babyl murderi' over mps offices, that you want to put you know, babyl murderi when mps offices, that you want to put you know, babyl murderi when iips offices, that you want to put you know, babyl murderi when i worked es, that you want to put you know, babyl murderi when i worked for etc. i mean, i when i worked for ed the 2015 ed miliband in the 2015 election, that election, people assumed that politicians of politicians have loads of security or security apart from 3 or 4 cabinet don't cabinet ministers. they don't have have have anybody. if ministers have a driver on official duties. but come they back come friday when they go back to the constituency, of the constituency, that's out of the constituency, that's out of the you know, the way. and so, you know, i remember scottish remember in the scottish referendum, pretty referendum, which was pretty polarised, you polarised, to put it mildly, you know, be ed and, you know, there'd be me, ed and, you know, there'd be me, ed and, you know, female member of staff, know, a female member of staff, they'd streets of they'd be in the streets of edinburgh and people come up and attack us. i remember we were besieged restaurant besieged in a restaurant once and actually , this is and actually, this is particularly because police scotland is quite politicised. we tried to get help and we weren't any, so we had

we tried to get help and we we style any, so we had we tried to get help and we we style it any, so we had we tried to get help and we westyle it out any, so we had we tried to get help and we westyle it out and(, so we had we tried to get help and we westyle it out and luckily had to style it out and luckily nothing went wrong. >> course this before >> but of course this was before the death of jo cox sir david. but you just, you know, you >> but you just, you know, you just could have just think now what could have happened. know, and of happened. you know, and of course, know, the other course, you know, the other thing of thing is, because of smartphones, press smartphones, you know, the press got were got punch, okay, there were cameras there, but no politician. politician has to be whiter than white. you effectively have to sort of stand take it because stand there and take it because of you do, of course, anything you do, if you fight back or you try and fight back or whatever in you try and fight back or wthreeer in you try and fight back or wthree second in you try and fight back or wthree second social in you try and fight back or wthree second social media in a three second social media clip. a nightmare. >> good point. >> good point. >> indeed. >> good point. >> and indeed. >> good point. >> and yourad. >> good point. >> and your monologue nana was excellent of excellent and when you think of the murder of jo cox, what the sad murder of jo cox, what what talent , what the sad murder of jo cox, what what talent, what a wonderful what a talent, what a wonderful woman was. and obviously you woman she was. and obviously you said about amess, who said about david amess, who was stabbed it's stabbed to death. it's frightening. and they we need to make sure our mps are secure. and i think more on a basis of, of their constituent because obviously some areas are more dangerous than others. but wherever you may be, even keir starmer, when he did his speech there on the there was someone on on the stage. it just happened to be glitter, but could have been glitter, but it could have been far i think if anyone far worse. and i think if anyone gets in the way of our political

process, they should be immediately put in prison. i think they should . the book think they should. the book should be thrown at them and no one can be in the way of, of what is right. and democracy. and i think we've got to get tougher on it and we need more security for our mps, because who's want to go into the political who's actually political arena, who's actually going to want to be an mp ? you going to want to be an mp? you know, fear of their know, they're in fear of their life expressing their views . life for expressing their views. >> but this is all true and it's all very well. but they are in charge of the laws. yeah. so absolutely. well i think i think they worry about they probably worry about singling out of singling themselves out of a special one of the things >> but one of the things that you at office there you look at mike's office there is you know, is people assume, you know, that, you know, mike's office isn't serve. isn't there to serve. mike mike's there like mike's office was there like every of the 650 to every other of the 650 mps to serve constituents . the serve his constituents. the files in there, of files that went up in there, of course, be some course, there'll be some relating mike, but of relating to mike, but most of them about the housing them will be about the housing complaints or, you know, complaints issues or, you know, the immigration issues , the you the immigration issues, the you know, complaints know, the school complaints about his constituents . so about his constituents. so you're actually attacking not just the mp, but you're attacking the whole feel of the constituency. however .

attacking the whole feel of the constituency. however. people vote because that's what mps have to do. there quite rightly, they serve everybody with vote they serve everybody with a vote for don't vote at for them or they don't vote at all. but but i still do all. yeah, i but but i still do come back to the fact that they've done a woefully they've done such a woefully inadequate in inadequate job of security in general for the public and obviously their own security. they're getting taste >> they're only getting a taste of what what they have of what, what what they have created. i think don't don't created. i think i don't i don't think truth in think there is some truth in that. obviously i don't that. yeah, obviously i don't i know that you've got rogue, know that you've got some rogue, crazy could crazy people who could do anything i'm not anything anyway. and i'm not blaming , you know, the blaming mps for, you know, the way is , but they have way the world is, but they have a handle this and they really a handle in this and they really know neighbourhood bobbies. >> can't blame if there's >> you can't blame if there's no neighbourhood. to come and neighbourhood. bobby to come and help on the protests, you >> even on the protests, you know, i caught up in the know, and i got caught up in the protests as you know. >> when i asked the >> um, and when i asked the police why they do anything, they were scared. of course they were. because scared of were. because they're scared of the and that what the reaction. and that what worries me as we saw in that clip, that half the people that are protesting don't really know why protesting. why they're protesting. >> and it's interesting >> yeah. and it's interesting you about different you said about different constituencies because. absolutely. course, you've constituencies because. absantely. course, you've constituencies because. absan inner course, you've constituencies because. abs an inner city urse, you've constituencies because. abs an inner city constituency,3 got an inner city constituency, we've tower

we've seen labour mps in tower hamlets who've just tried to take of labour line on take the sort of labour line on it, you know, like rationally female mps with their offices besieged, unable but besieged, unable to operate. but also one tory also there's one of the tory mps, the prime minister's sort of parliamentary aide is in montgomeryshire, the most rural constituency country, constituency in the country, pretty much welsh border. pretty much on the welsh border. and apparently had 15 and he has apparently had 15 occasions something occasions or something where people come up to him with people have come up to him with red and saying it's got red paint and saying it's got blood they red paint and saying it's got bloobe they red paint and saying it's got bloo be just they red paint and saying it's got bloo be just very they red paint and saying it's got bloo be just very angry they will be just very angry protesters. and of course, the phone and isn't phone is out. and this isn't just people in montgomeryshire. if happens, going viral. >> e need e'- e-i >> well, they need to fix the situation law and order. situation with law and order. they more police they need to get more police back they need to back on the beat. they need to start security for back on the beat. they need to stargeneral security for back on the beat. they need to stargeneral publiccurity for back on the beat. they need to stargeneral public and y for back on the beat. they need to stargeneral public and foryr the general public and for themselves. and they need to sort out the immigration crisis and country. and know who is in this country. well and know who is in this country. weiand that's what we all agree >> and that's what we all agree with because an with that because it's an absolute shambolic mess. >> yeah, might different >> yeah, we might have different ways it, but we all agree ways to do it, but we all agree it needs done. >> and the home office honestly is a potential dangen >> well, there are a lot of people the office people in the home office obstructing that obstructing the things that they've anyway. they've been asked to do anyway. and we're going and this is, well, we're going to a lot about to be talking a lot about immigration we will immigration anyway, so we will discuss that. but stay with us.

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michael portillo, gb news. >> britain's news channel . >> britain's news channel. >> britain's news channel. >> good afternoon. welcome on board. this is gb news. we are the people's channel i'm nana akua. it's fast approaching 24 minutes after 4:00. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. it's time now for the great british debate. this hour. and i'm asking, should convicted criminals ever be offered asylum ? now? the manhunt is still underway suspected chemical underway for suspected chemical attacker abdul ezedi afghanistan born. he was granted an asylum in the uk despite a sexual offence conviction in 2008. now azadi, who arrived in the uk in

2016, converted to christianity before his successful asylum claim . questions are being claim. questions are being raised about the asylum process, especially given his criminal record and of course , previous record and of course, previous unsuccessful applications , and unsuccessful applications, and the incident has also ignited concerns about violence against women , with marian cates, women, with marian cates, co—chairman of the new conservative group of mps , conservative group of mps, emphasising the need to address issues in the asylum system. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking should convicted criminals ever be granted asylum? well, joining me now to discuss peter bleksley former scotland yard detective hardeep singh bhangal, immigration norman baker, immigration lawyer norman baker, former home office minister and raqib owesome social policy analyst and writer . raqib owesome social policy analyst and writer. i'm going to start actually with you, raj singh hijab. okay so talk to me about because you kind of know the story with this guy . he was the story with this guy. he was refused asylum twice and then, uh, said that he's a christian. can can you tell us a bit more about the system? yeah

>> what happens is so he's come here and claimed asylum that's been refused . been refused. >> and after that he should have been removed by the home office for some reason. >> he hasn't been. he's applied for asylum again, been refused again . again. >> he should been removed >> he should have been removed again didn't. again. didn't. >> he applied again >> and then he applied again under new circumstances , with under new circumstances, with fresh circumstances . um, saying fresh circumstances. um, saying that he's become a christian and after maybe an appeal process, a judge or the home office has allowed his decision to stay here despite him having a conviction that was non—custodial. though that conviction . so what happens is, conviction. so what happens is, if you've been convicted for a year or more to prison , then year or more to prison, then it's automatic deportation and you can't get your, um, any sort of residency here. however, if it's below that, then it's up to the home office, whether it's discretionary to accept your application or whether to refuse it or whether to continue removal action against you. it looks like there's very little removal action against this person. >> hence, he was allowed to make multiple applications and eventually remain here. >> peter bleksley how can this

be that this man does not get sent back? it's quite frankly ludicrous . ludicrous. >> and there are many people that could figuratively speak in be said to have corrosive substance on their hands. the home office , of course, which home office, of course, which we've just heard about . but we've just heard about. but perhaps the liberal fluffy lawyers that chose to represent him through repeated asylum applications. it's utterly ludicrous. this man is a convicted sex offender , and he convicted sex offender, and he should not have been anywhere near the streets of the uk and able to commit these offences for which he is wanted. and of course , at the moment course, at the moment unconvicted . unconvicted. >> well, norman baker, how come he didn't get sent back after this first, after his first offence, i don't understand why he he managed to have another appeal. >> no. well i don't know the answer to that, but i agree with the principle that once you've been refused, then you been refused, um, then you should be deported. and that's as simple as that. and the

system didn't work very well. i also have a great suspicion about people who suddenly claim that converted to that they converted to christianity , a conversion of christianity, a conversion of convenience. it might be called in order to try to justify your case.i in order to try to justify your case. i mean, the fact of the matter is that that implies that people are or they seem to people who are or they seem to think people are christian think people who are christian don't offences, and don't commit offences, and people christian people who aren't christian perhaps do, is of course, perhaps do, which is of course, totally the fact that totally wrong. so the fact that he said he's converted to christianity is not, in my view, a relevant factor . a relevant factor. >> raqeeb on a sort of kind of social level , this guy is social level, this guy is totally unsuitable for, you know, it's clear that he should have been sent back. what's your take on all of this ? take on all of this? >> well, i think it takes a lot to surprise me when it comes to our totally dysfunctional asylum system . there are elements of system. there are elements of this particular case are quite astonishing. and i think it's all the more astonishing when you consider the uk government's reluctance to provide sanctuary for soldiers who served for afghan soldiers who served alongside the british military in afghanistan . yet we have this

in afghanistan. yet we have this particular afghan individual convicted of a sex offence, which in my view, irrespective of the sentence given, should have resulted in automatic deportation and it seems like that there is a possibility he may have gamed system by may have gamed the system by converting to christianity. norman a conversion of norman calls a conversion of convenience or it could. it could well be a bogus conversion, because then he could argue . but if i returned could argue. but if i returned to as a christian, to afghanistan as a christian, there's a history non—muslim , there's a history of non—muslim, um, minorities being persecuted and also people who leave islam. they even be punishable they could even be punishable by death. of apostasy. death. the charge of apostasy. so i think what we're seeing here as a result of this here that as a result of this case, for many other cases, it fundamentally public fundamentally undermines public confidence the asylum system confidence in the asylum system itself. hardap how how is it itself. but hardap how how is it that he was given an ability to appeal? >> because i don't get it. i'm presuming that we would have paid for the legal aid because he probably got money. so he probably hasn't got money. so how was able to how is it that he was able to continuously appeal despite the fact actually a fact that he actually had a conviction? i just don't understand was able to do understand why he was able to do that. well obviously an appeal was refused , hence why he's was refused, hence why he's making multiple applications .

making multiple applications. >> the problem here lies with the . now since 2010, the removal. now since 2010, since the conservative government comes in, all the graphs and data from the migrant observatory and also a data from the home office itself, shows that refusals have come to record removal . sorry, have come record removal. sorry, have come to record lows in forced removals, have gone down from 10,000 in 2010. and in september of 2022, there was only 489 um asylum seekers removed. if you look at in 2009, 2010, they were in tens of thousands. i don't even know how much of a drop thatis even know how much of a drop that is as a percentage, but but all of this is due to this government who's been in charge. i mean, labour were managing to do it. this fact. this do it. and this is a fact. this is something that's been is not something that's been made provable the made up. this is provable by the figures can research made up. this is provable by the figdespite can research made up. this is provable by the figdespite there can research made up. this is provable by the figdespite there being research made up. this is provable by the figdespite there being we earch made up. this is provable by the figdespite there being we usch it despite there being we us being part of the eu , despite being part of the eu, despite there being lefty lawyers allegedly there, despite there being judges , despite there being judges, despite there being judges, despite there being courts and appeals. being judges, despite there being courts and appeals . well being courts and appeals. well how will labour managing to do that? the human rights act has

been in force since 2001. right. so how how can how are labour managing to send back that many people? >> and now after we've retaken our borders, back , allegedly. our borders, back, allegedly. >> um, how why are the this government not sending people back after they've been refused asylum? the result of that is the answer is with a system is broken. the home office is broken. the home office is broken. it's not fit for purpose . it needs total overhaul . . it needs a total overhaul. >> yeah, well, i mean, i hear you , but i'm that keir you, but i'm sure that keir starmer something to do with starmer had something to do with some of the legislation that enables, for enables, makes it easier for migrants all these migrants to, um, have all these appeals. know the exact appeals. i don't know the exact details, know is details, but i know there is hasn't in power for 14 hasn't been in power for 14 years, it's obviously years, so it's obviously not him. need ask the home >> we need to ask the home secretary looking at of it . secretary looking at all of it. >> hear you, but >> i mean, i hear you, but i also think we've got a very unwilling office. norman, unwilling home office. norman, am correct? got an am i correct? we've got quite an unwilling were unwilling home office who were somewhat slightly against somewhat slightly set against the and don't want the government and don't want didn't want to initiate much of the they've been the policies that they've been asked . asked to enact. >> sure it's fair >> well, i'm not sure it's fair to the civil servants were to say the civil servants were were the government. were against the government. in fact, time in home office fact, my time in the home office suggested were, in suggested that they were, in

fact, exuberant fact, quite exuberant and determined to find new determined to try to find new ways of dealing with immigration. ian. i mean, they were true believers in that sense what was being said. sense of what was being said. i think a matter of think it's more a matter of incompetence and inefficiency and the fact that so few people are removed when they should be removed simply down to inefficiency. >> well, i final word to you, norman baker, not norman. uh, lexi . peter bleksley. sorry. lexi. peter bleksley. sorry. >> thank you. sorry i'm just going to add some much needed perspective to this debate . as perspective to this debate. as we speak. there is a 31 year old son, severely injured woman who 24 hours ago was still under sedation . and of course, two sedation. and of course, two children were injured. mercifully less seriously than their mother. all of this , none their mother. all of this, none of this, should i say, would have happened if people had done theirjob properly. and perhaps clergy had not been duped . shame clergy had not been duped. shame on them all. you've failed the people of britain yet again . people of britain yet again. >> did they have indeed failed anybody wants to add before we go to the news is there anybody

who missed out? anybody who is missed out? anybody want to no, no. to add anything to that? no, no. just the afghan. just want the afghan. >> point made earlier on >> the point made earlier on there afghans who helped there were afghans who helped us.the there were afghans who helped us. the soldiers , the us. the soldiers, the translators could be treated pretty shamefully by the government. and what a contrast with this guy. >> , so wi- >> well, okay, so let me ask you finally then norman baker, finally then, norman baker, should ever should convicted criminals ever be offered asylum? probably not. >> depending if it's a very low level , then maybe. but i level crime, then maybe. but i think generally speaking, they're they they ought they're here and they they ought to be grateful for being here. and if they abuse time and if they abuse that time hospitality, then they forfeit the right to be here. >> right? peter bleksley same question. >> in rome, as the >> when in rome, do as the romans otherwise sling your hook. >> yeah, i didn't sing bangle . i >> yeah, i didn't sing bangle. i wouldn't want any criminal living near me. >> and i'm sure that's the same . >> and i'm sure that's the same. regardless of their race, race and ethnicity . so should they be and ethnicity. so should they be granted asylum? >> yes or no ? >> yes or no? >> well, they're not, they're not, they shouldn't be. but the home office has allowed it in this in this circumstances and final word. >> and they should be rocketman

yes or no indeed. >> i mean, i our asylum system needs to have public safety and respect for the rule of law at the heart of so say no. the heart of it. so i'd say no. >> right. thank you >> right. all right. thank you so your thoughts. so much for your thoughts. peter bleksley scotland bleksley former scotland yard detective hardships in bengal immigration baker, immigration lawyer norman baker, former home minister and former home office minister and doctor social policy former home office minister and doctor and social policy former home office minister and doctor and writer. social policy former home office minister and doctor and writer. thank policy former home office minister and doctor and writer. thank you cy former home office minister and doctor and writer. thank you so analyst and writer. thank you so much. those are their much. well, those are their thoughts. are yours? this thoughts. what are yours? this is gb news on tv, and on is gb news on tv, online and on digital coming up, it's digital radio. coming up, it's time great british time for the great british debate. this hour. i'm asking, should criminals ever should convicted criminals ever be offered you'll hear be offered asylum? you'll hear the of my former the thoughts of my panel. former labour matthew laza and labour adviser matthew laza and broadcast columnist lizzie broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy to my cundy. still to come, my difficult conversation . i'm difficult conversation. i'm joined by record holder joined by world record holder fatima whitbread. she'll be live in studio talking about her in the studio talking about her journey. get journey. but first let's get your news headlines . your latest news headlines. >> 433 i'm fi harrison in the gb news room. >> our top stories michelle o'neill has been elected as the first nationalist, first minister of northern ireland. >> power sharing has returned

after two years following an agreement between the dup and the government over post—brexit trade . the dup has nominated trade. the dup has nominated emma little—pengelly as deputy fm, a role that carries equal legal power. >> o'neill says today opens the door to the future , for we mark door to the future, for we mark a moment of equality and a moment of progress , a new moment of progress, a new opportunity to work and to grow together , confident in that together, confident in that wherever we come from , whatever wherever we come from, whatever our aspirations are , we can and our aspirations are, we can and we must build our future together. >> i'm really delighted to see every mla back in this chamber today, and i welcome the fact that the dup have decided to re—enter the democratic institutions , and that the institutions, and that the outcome of last year's assembly election is now being respected . election is now being respected. >> the uk says it will continue to support the united states after it launched a series of strikes in iraq and syria, targeting militant groups backed by iran . by iran. >> nearly 40 people, including civilians , were killed as 85

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after 4:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. don't forget you can stream the show live on youtube or watch it back on the gb news app. i'm nana akua. it's time now for the great british debate this hour and i'm asking, should convicted criminals ever be offered asylum now? abdul ezedi and afghanistan born man was granted asylum in the uk despite a sexual offence conviction in 2018. he's wanted for throwing an alkali substance at a mother and her daughter, causing potentially life changing injuries. now she he arrived in the uk in 2016, converted to christianity before successfully obtaining asylum, raising questions about the asylum process . given his asylum process. given his criminal history and previous unsuccessful applications . the unsuccessful applications. the attack has prompted debate on tightening asylum processes , tightening asylum processes, with calls for a review by mps and law enforcement concerns with regard to violence against women, urging a focus on preventative measures and

highlighting the challenges in evaluating the asylum application. so for our great british debate this hour, i'm asking should convicted criminals ever be offered asylum? or joining me to discuss is broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy . also, former lizzie cundy. also, former labour party adviser matthew louser, lizzie cundy yeah, no way. >> no. and i'm telling you now, as a as a mother, i am scared. i'm scared for my boys future in this country . i'm scared for my boys future in this country. i'm scared even walking home, not just at night. i am literally scared of what's going on in this country. the whole system is a farce. it's incompetent and most of all it's dangerous. and to know what's happened to that poor mother . happened to that poor mother. mother, um. is it just breaks my heart and. and why has this man who's been refused twice for asylum? why has this happened? we want to know answers of why this has happened . and you know , this has happened. and you know, and all our hearts go out to her. and thankfully , her, you her. and thankfully, her, you know, the two children are okay, but this is disgraceful . and why

but this is disgraceful. and why has this been allowed to happen? um, what what is going to happen to the, the asylum seekers that are here in this country? we have already 137,000 and that's still awaiting , um, you know, still awaiting, um, you know, our country is now not safe. nana and me, for one, i don't actually think i want to live here anymore. >> no, no , lizzie cundy, you >> no, no, lizzie cundy, you can't matthew laza. >> no, mean, think that >> so. no, i mean, i think that i think, frankly, we have to say no. have to put a blanket. no. we have to put a blanket. no, i'm of instinct no, i mean, i'm sort of instinct is what if you is to say, well, what if you know, a mars know, somebody steals a mars bar? instantly be bar? should they instantly be excluded ? and i think probably excluded? and i think probably you have say yes , because you you have to say yes, because you have confidence in the have to have confidence in the system people, on system to give people, people on the left . the left. >> well, you know, i'm a moderate on the left, as you know. >> um, but look, i think what's really shocking system really shocking in this system is there should is lizzie says, is there should have yvette cooper for labour's been asking been saying this asking questions about questions today about why? because at moment because although at the moment it's anything over, if you're given prison sentence over given a prison sentence over a yean given a prison sentence over a year, instant you're year, it's an instant you're meant to be although, of meant to be out. although, of course, question about

course, there's a question about how many people actually leave. course, there's a question about howif1any people actually leave. course, there's a question about howif1anyaeople actually leave. course, there's a question about howif1anya prisonactually leave. course, there's a question about howif1anya prison sentence aave. but if it's a prison sentence under year, not an under a year, you're not an automatically, which is. everybody automatically, which is. ever because guy automatically, which is. everbecause guy was given was because this guy was given a community , not a community sentence, not a custodial , but custodial sentence, but actually, it turns out because he was on the offenders he was on the sex offenders register, been register, it should have been an automatic rejection and it didn't i get it. >> so i don't get it. >> so i don't get it. >> the rules weren't applied. >> so the rules weren't applied. >> so the rules weren't applied. >> but i don't get it though >> but but i don't get it though because there's all this these lawyers that he's able get lawyers that he's able to get legal cause . legal aid to fight his cause. i'm struggling why i'm struggling to see why i don't think we should have to pay l don't think we should have to pay i actually think pay for that. i actually think that it's time now, if you want to to this country, if you to come to this country, if you want to fight an appeal, then you want to fight an appeal, then you pay want to fight an appeal, then you pay for it yourself. >> you can't ongoing >> you can't have an ongoing like two, three. like one, two, three. >> get? >> how many do you get? i understand you can do that. understand why you can do that. >> why was he refused >> but why was he he was refused twice. a sex offender. he twice. he's a sex offender. he should but should be deported. but he's using that say he'll be using that now to say he'll be persecuted his country using that now to say he'll be persebuted his country using that now to say he'll be perse but now?|is country using that now to say he'll be perse but now? yes country using that now to say he'll be perse but now? yes the:ountry using that now to say he'll be perse but now? yes the many using that now to say he'll be perse but now? yes the man who now. but now? yes the man who came into this country. now. but now? yes the man who came into this country . let's came into this country. let's not forget. a lorry . i mean, not forget. in a lorry. i mean, now we're searching for him. maybe we can find him at the back a because he's back of a church because he's apparently this is apparently a christian. this is it. a whole farcical it. just makes a whole farcical of this whole system. is it

really does nana and what scares me? this can happen again. really does nana and what scares me? this can happen again . and me? this can happen again. and we need to get tougher. we need to look at going in to look at what's going on in denmark . they have got such denmark. they have got such a non—zero now. they've got so tough with immigration and done by the social democrat prime minister. yes, indeed, absolutely. but they've cut the asylum in by half. i've asylum seekers in by half. i've sat in the danish parliament and discussed it. >> and what the danish, the danish party it danish labour party did is it did asylum policy did a really tough asylum policy , every , and then it sent every household country a copy household in the country a copy of policy in of its asylum policy in opposition . and then opposition. and then it got elected. lizzie says, elected. and as lizzie says, they've super tough. they've been super tough. >> labour, the >> well, perhaps labour, the labour consider, labour party should consider, i think and persuade think that i try and persuade them say the them to well, i would say the conservative do that conservative party could do that and their skins, but and maybe save their skins, but i don't think that anyone will take them seriously. sadly but it that i think it does seem to be that i think what lizzie says absolutely what lizzie says is absolutely key to get the pi'ocess. >> process. >> the claims that are already sitting system sitting there in the system and apply sitting there in the system and apply rules properly, which apply the rules properly, which weren't applied in this case. >> nigel farage >> the thing nigel farage has been this for years been warning of this for years and people have been oh, and people have been saying, oh, he's racist right. he's racist and he's right. well, and it's fine people well, look and it's fine people on the left. but but what i'm

saying is it's been a frustrated by the well, it hasn't it hasn't i mean, look, wants i mean, look, labour wants to employ a thousand more people straight these straight away to get these claims sorted out and people who shouldn't go, because shouldn't be here to go, because it got it is scandalous that we've got this 130,000 claims this over over 130,000 claims with people sitting hotels . with people sitting in hotels. >> down to tony blair, >> isn't it down to tony blair, who doors was who opened the doors that was legal. opened the doors. legal. it was opened the doors. the look , the system is not fit the look, the system is not fit for purpose , okay. and it needs for purpose, okay. and it needs a total of 15 times higher or something. >> it under the the >> it is under the under the tories, under labour tories, under the last labour government , we closed the government, we closed the sangatte calais. sangatte camp in calais. >> opened doors, >> tony blair opened the doors, matthew, that was for illegal migration. matthew, that was for illegal migthat's illegal migration. >> that's illegal migration. i mean, i'll take the legal migration one on the chin for that, the asylum has that, but not on the asylum has to for genuine purpose . to be for genuine purpose. >> it has to be genuine. and they have able fit in they have to be able to fit in and respect the cultures of our country . country. >> but we have had a very inefficient home who inefficient home office who have been lethargic in been somewhat lethargic in carrying that's drawn carrying out policy that's drawn to by the conservative to them by the conservative party. well, mike, frankly, because union, the head because the pcs union, the head of the union, was even saying that , you we do what that, you know, we won't do what we're just try and we're asked to just try and

frustrate the president. >> this let's frustrate the president. >> what this let's frustrate the president. >> what comes:his let's frustrate the president. >> what comes next. let's frustrate the president. >> what comes next. yeah, frustrate the president. >> he at comes next. yeah, frustrate the president. >> he butomes next. yeah, frustrate the president. >> he but absolutely. yeah, frustrate the president. >> he but absolutely. mean,i, but he but absolutely. i mean, you reid, you rememberjohn reid, the labour one of my labour home secretary, one of my great john said the home great heroes, john said the home office purpose. office wasn't fit for purpose. so necessarily so it's not necessarily that it's it's just a kind of it's labour. it's just a kind of liberal with a small l blob in a sense, that is stopping the rules. public want, costing rules. the public want, costing us taxpayer. us the taxpayer. >> 8 million a day in hotel. yes we stop it. we need to stop it. >> we i've got a video >> we agree. i've got a video for what they that? for what do they call that? help for what do they call that? help for is. for calais or whatever it is. >> yeah. care for care for calais. >> and this woman is saying, oh, well, if you all you have to do is we'll all the is we'll give you all the information got a form for information we've got a form for when in. tell when you come in. we'll tell you exactly what you need do that when you come in. we'll tell you exactlytohat you need do that when you come in. we'll tell you exactlyto 'hat solved. ed do that when you come in. we'll tell you exactlyto 'hat solved. and do that when you come in. we'll tell you exactlyto 'hat solved. and what'sat needs to be solved. and what's hugely this hugely naive is we look at this case course, it's case is it's of course, it's over the illegal arrivals over 90% of the illegal arrivals are men. >> so there's a big issue about women. >> why are they being treated better our veterans? better than our own veterans? a roof their head, food, you roof over their head, food, you know, way they're being know, in every way they're being looked after better than own looked after better than our own people . first of our people. the first order of our government look its government should look after its own government should look after its owrwe've some emails. uh, >> we've got some emails. uh, martin says . i said before, how martin says. i said before, how many mps have had been harassed or threatened with talking about

mps? before action is taken mps? and before action is taken on those who commit to threatening our civil servants, stephen i used to for stephen says i used to work for finchley and golders green and have say what people have to say what lovely people the jewish community are. i would agree you. would totally agree with you. they're beautiful, aren't they? really says really great people? steve says mps themselves to blame, no mps have themselves to blame, no question. also also through their incompetence and ignorance, they have put all of us in extreme danger we us in extreme danger and we should for their security. us in extreme danger and we showay for their security. us in extreme danger and we showay . for their security. us in extreme danger and we showay . youyr their security. us in extreme danger and we showay . you make' security. us in extreme danger and we showay . you make yourrrity. us in extreme danger and we showay . you make your bed now. no way. you make your bed now. lie in it. welcome to the real world mps . well, you know what? world mps. well, you know what? i'm interesting you say that stephen, was stephen, because that was partly. there's a part partly. i do feel there's a part of part of me with a big of part of me agrees with a big lot of that. lynn says. perhaps since too many , so since we've lost too many, so many police stations , we many of our police stations, we should put police in the constituency offices as they can then share the space. that's a really that's a really good idea, actually. >> community hub, community hub. >> community hub, community hub. >> well, listen, show is >> well, listen, this show is nothing of you in nothing without all of you in your let's welcome some your view. so let's welcome some of british on of our great british voices on the opportunity the show. there opportunity to be and tell us what be on the show and tell us what they about topics they think about the topics we're over we're discussing. let's go over to i've my

to bristol. yeah, i've got my man. straight in. man. let's fly straight in. let's with lee let's have a chat with lee harris. he's for us now. harris. he's there for us now. lee what do you make of all of this then? should convicted criminals even be allowed to have a court claim for asylum ? have a court claim for asylum? >> absolutely not. >> absolutely not. >> the primary responsible of any government nana is to keep the public safe and the asylum system is dangerously broken in this country. if you are a foreign national and you are committing crimes , you should be committing crimes, you should be immediately deported and permanently barred from entering the uk. >> you know, the problem is we are so useless we allow pretty much anyone in. we either pathetically give into the lefty lawyers and end up not deporting anyone or they get lost in a system that's not fit for purpose. >> you know, i saw a reporter from another news channel today who went to a church near raf wethersfield and revealed they are baptising 20 asylum seekers are baptising 20 asylum seekers a day. >> the system is being gained . >> the system is being gained. >> the system is being gained. >> this needs an urgent police and home office investigation. >> it's a disgrace. and in the

case of abdul yazidi, who has a criminal record and allegedly committed this horrific chemical attack , should be a wake up call attack, should be a wake up call to everyone. >> we have an overwhelmed asylum system, we have an army of lefty activist lawyers who dedicate themselves to frustrating the process. we have an outdated echr who overrule our elections representatives, our politicians are painfully weak. we have a woke left civil service. we have charities. as you rightly pointed out a minute ago, that embed themselves into our asylum system . and we have vicars who system. and we have vicars who are converting asylum seekers to christianity on a industrial scale. are politicians, the lefty lawyers , the echr, the lefty lawyers, the echr, the bleeding heart, liberal activists and this government are putting at us at risk. shame on all of them. something needs to go . to go. >> right over. he's brilliant. lee harris great british voice. thank you so much for joining

lee harris great british voice. thank you so much forjoining us lesley harris he's right. he's right isn't he? he's absolutely right. we'll stay with us. this is gp news on tv, online and on digital radio coming it's digital radio coming up. it's difficult conversations . she difficult conversations. she broke a world record in 1986 for the athletics the european athletics championships, abandoned championships, and was abandoned by her biological mother at just three months old. i'll be joined by fatima by the brilliant fatima whitbread. get whitbread. but first, let's get some weather. a brighter outlook with , the sponsors of with boxt solar, the sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. good evening . >> hello there. good evening. i'm jonathan vautrey here of your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office dunng provided by the met office during the northern half of the uk that saw some of the better sunny course of sunny breaks over the course of today and into this evening as well. got the greater today and into this evening as well. of got the greater today and into this evening as well. of got tsomezater today and into this evening as well. of got tsome clearer chance of seeing some clearer spells the spells around the start of the night. murky and cloudy night. quite murky and cloudy across the half, across the southern half, particularly wales, particularly western wales, south—west england. some hill fog drizzle around fog outbreaks of drizzle around the tend thicken the cloud will tend to thicken in as we head in the north as we head throughout of in the north as we head thronight.t of in the north as we head thronight.t rain of in the north as we head thronight.t rain eventually the night. some rain eventually arriving dawn. but for arriving towards dawn. but for most of us it is going to be a very night. temperatures

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good afternoon 55 after four. >> this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua now. there's always something going on in the royal household and this week has been

no different. and each saturday i love you a rundown. i love to give you a rundown. and who to than and who better to do so than royal biographer angela levin? angela levin hello or levin, as we were saying, angela. so talk to me about what's been going on. well, it's very interesting because king charles is in trying to get better. >> well, quickly at and his wife, the queen, she is absolutely holding the whole monarchy above herself. really. she's working incredibly hard. i think she's following what the late queen elizabeth did, and she said she had to be seen to be believed and that's what she's done every day this week. she's been to a different place to do something else and been extremely natural. and i think that because she's been jolly, you feel that there's nothing wrong with king charles. he's just generally recovering. i mean, when she went to one place to see old people, one of the women dropped something. she was on floor scrabbling around on the floor scrabbling around to get it, and of aides to get it, and one of her aides was sort you know, oh, but was sort of, you know, oh, but she's natural , you see.

she's she's natural, you see. and she was given a present and when she was given a present of some two sort of shoes, she said , i've always wanted those said, i've always wanted those sort of shoes. thank you. in my, you know , my late years, i'm you know, my late years, i'm going to learn how to tap on them . you know, she's just very them. you know, she's just very sort of accessible in a way. and i think that she's done marvellously . she princess anne marvellously. she princess anne has done very well. she always does. but you know, i think camilla's 76. it's a really hard thing to do. and she's just worked really hard. she looks nice, she's smiling. she's laughing, and you think you know, she's doing absolutely the right thing. >> you know, i don't think i'd recognise princess anne if i saw her. no >> why not? >> why not? >> i don't know, because she. she she might get about a bit, but i don't really i kind of don't know looks like. don't know what she looks like. >> well, she doesn't really like the come with her, but the press to come with her, but she the work. lot of she does the work. a lot of people they should. people feel that they should. and the queen did and of course, the queen did want sure everybody want to make sure everybody knew where it . and but

where she was doing it. and but princess anne just goes off and she gets it done. but she works incredibly hard . she only does a incredibly hard. she only does a very few engagement . its other very few engagement. its other than lower than king charles. so she's very hard working, isn't she? she's very hard working. >> good, good person as well . >> good, good person as well. yes, sir. what else has been going on? it's interesting going on? well, it's interesting with harry and meghan, your two friends there. >> um and one of them is that they came up and said they're really very concerned about children bullying or cyber bullying, and it's absolutely a terrible thing to do . and you terrible thing to do. and you sort of think, good heavens , you sort of think, good heavens, you know, perhaps he shouldn't have done bullying with queen elizabeth when she was so ill. and those last few months of her life, many people have said that they were bullying her for money for this, for that, and yes, yes , yes. and, um, you know how again , it's this hypocrisy that , again, it's this hypocrisy that, that they have that makes it very difficult to believe them. they said they've got loads of

things that they're doing with netflix , but netflix said it was netflix, but netflix said it was in very, very early days. so that means there's no, um , that means there's no, um, there's not having got an idea. exactly of the shape of it or the words. what anyone's going to say, it's just, i think to say, but it's just, i think to say, but it's just, i think to them out of the problem to get them out of the problem they've had with the african, um , problem that you know, the guys there , the guards are guys there, the guards are actually raping and. oh yes. very bad. >> well, obviously prince harry was sort of like part of that charity, but he may wouldn't have had direct sort of involvement . i have had direct sort of involvement. i don't think so. he wouldn't be aware of that. >> was told it >> well, he was told about it last may. oh wow. and he did ask to see though, to sort of get on and something it, and do something about it, but nothing has happened. so nothing really has happened. so people in the congo have really suffered in this , and i think suffered in this, and i think they usually come out with sort of a load of things that they're going actually never going to do, but actually never anything in detail. >> well, listen , that will >> gosh, well, listen, that will rumble on angela levin, always a

pleasure. thank you so much for talking to us. that's angela levin. she wrote harry's biography. know . biography. she did you know. yeah. that's right. not spare or wear it is. no, not wear or whatever it is. no, not that the proper one. but that one. the proper one. but listen. tuned. more listen. stay tuned. loads more to in the hour . to come in the next hour. it's 5:00. this is gb news on tv . online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and in the next houn i'm nana akua. and in the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. coming speaking to coming up, i'll be speaking to former champion coming up, i'll be speaking to former whitbread, champion coming up, i'll be speaking to former whitbread, chamfthe fatima whitbread, then for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking should religion play any granting asylum? but any part in granting asylum? but first, get your latest first, let's get your latest news headlines with ray . thanks nana. >> it's 5:00. our top stories this hour. >> stormont's first nationalist, first minister has pledged to

work with unionists to build a better future for northern ireland. michelle o'neill's historic appointment was confirmed as power sharing was restored after collapsing two years ago. it follows an agreement between the dup and the government over post—brexit trade. the dup's emma little—pengelly . has become the little—pengelly. has become the new deputy fm . new deputy fm. >> that's a role that carries equal legal power. >> michelle o'neill is promising to be inclusive and respectful to be inclusive and respectful to all we mark a moment of equality and a moment of progress. >> a new opportunity to work and to grow together , confident in to grow together, confident in that wherever we come from, whatever our aspirations are, we can and we must build our future together . can and we must build our future together. i'm really delighted together. i'm really delighted to see every mla back in this chamber today , and i welcome the chamber today, and i welcome the fact that the dup have decided to re—enter the democratic institutions, and that the outcome of last year's assembly election is now being respected . election is now being respected. well many budgetary decisions in

northern ireland have been on hold for the last two years. >> in the absence of a devolved government and people there say that it's taken too long. >> i think it's about time. i think that's what probably most people would um, been people would say. um, it's been such a, you know, a gap and a and a lull in not having any degree of government whatsoever for and it's been very detrimental to everyone involved i >>i -- >> i think hm >> i think it's a good thing that they're all back going back because at the end of the day, they're getting paid for doing nothing, not only are they just got back, we've just been told they're getting their full pay and there's people going on strike, you to get money, strike, you know, to get money, but they get there straight away , just like that . , just like that. >> police are still searching for a suspected chemical attacker. abdul ezedi , who has attacker. abdul ezedi, who has significant injuries to the right hand side of his face, was last seen travelling southbound on the victoria line at london's kings cross station on wednesday night . a 31 year old mother, who

night. a 31 year old mother, who was attacked with a corrosive substance remains in hospital. her two young daughters were also hurt , but not so badly as also hurt, but not so badly as first thought. forensic tests are being carried out on two empty containers found at an address in newcastle . well, address in newcastle. well, meanwhile, the home office is being urged to carry out an urgent review into how abdul ezedi was allowed to remain in the united kingdom. the suspect, who is from afghanistan, was convicted of a sexual offence in 2018 and given a suspended sentence. he was granted asylum after two failed attempts when a priest confirmed that he had converted to christianity . iraq converted to christianity. iraq has accused the united . states has accused the united. states of putting the middle east on, quote, the brink of an abyss . quote, the brink of an abyss. following a series of air strikes overnight. the us struck 85 targets in syria and iraq in response to a drone attack on a us military base that killed three soldiers last weekend . three soldiers last weekend. nearly 40 people, including

civilians, have been killed. the uk says it supports washington's right to respond to attacks . right to respond to attacks. from militant groups linked to iran . iraq's warned that the iran. iraq's warned that the strikes will have disastrous consequences for the region . consequences for the region. french police have ruled out terrorism as a motive for a knife attack at a train station in paris earlier. knife attack at a train station in paris earlier . a suspect has in paris earlier. a suspect has been arrested following the incident at gare de lyon. this morning. three people were hurt but didn't suffer life threatening injuries. french media saying that the attacker was from mali and carried an italian driving licence . the italian driving licence. the train driver's strike is again hitting parts of the country . hitting parts of the country. members of aslef that avanti west coast, east midlands railway and west midlands railway and west midlands railway are all staging a 24 hour walkout over pay and conditions. the action started earlier this week and will continue on monday, while a ban on overtime will last until

tuesday. aslef says drivers have not had a pay rise for almost five years. the government, though, is urging the union to accept an offer that was made last year . accept an offer that was made last year. for the accept an offer that was made last year . for the latest last year. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code that's on your screen right now, or go to gb news. >> com slash alerts . now back to >> com slash alerts. now back to . nana.thank >> com slash alerts. now back to . nana. thank you ray. >> this is a gb news on tv, onune >> this is a gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for the next hour , me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this all about opinion. this show is all about opinion. it's mine. it's theirs. this show is all about opinion. it's mine. it's theirs . and of it's mine. it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating , discussing and at debating, discussing and at times we will disagree. no debating, discussing and at timewille will disagree. no debating, discussing and at timewille wicancellede. no debating, discussing and at timewille wicancelled . no debating, discussing and at timewille wicancelled . so no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy, also and columnist lizzie cundy, also a labour party adviser. a former labour party adviser. matthew still to come, my matthew laza still to come, my difficult conversation today is

with world breaking and former european and world champion javelin thrower fatima whitbread . now then, stay tuned for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking should religion play any part in granting asylum ? and any part in granting asylum? and we've brought in a new feature clip bait. i'll be showing you my favourite clip of the week . my favourite clip of the week. have a little sneaky peek . i'll have a little sneaky peek. i'll take the whole window out later when i crack the window on my way . way. >> i'll just push you over. yeah, not yet . yeah, not yet. >> well, as ever, you'll find out towards the end of the show. as ever, you can also email gb views gb com or tweet me views gb news. com or tweet me at . gb news. so so it's fast at. gb news. so so it's fast approaching seven minutes after 5:00. it's now time for this week's difficult conversations . week's difficult conversations. listen now my guest fought against all the odds to make . against all the odds to make. where to make to get to where

she is today. she was abandoned as a baby, spending 14 years in children's homes. but none of that has stopped her. she was adopted by a former athlete, margaret whitbread, and went on to the javelin world to break the javelin world record held the european and record and held the european and world titles. of course, it's former world champion javelin thrower fatima whitbread, fatima , thank you so much. hello for nana coming. really lovely to be here on the sofa again. here with you on the sofa again. yeah because course the last yeah because of course the last time came here, you told us time you came here, you told us of your story, how came to of your story, how you came to be adopted . and i wonder if you be adopted. and i wonder if you could a brief recap. could give us a brief recap. some may have known some people may not have known the just a short recap the story. just a short recap for people who know. for people who don't know. >> a baby and some >> abandoned as a baby and some would say left to a would say left to die. a neighbour heard a baby crying in a flat and she hadn't seen anybody or in anybody coming or going in a couple of days . couple of days. >> so she called the police who came door down, came and banged the door down, rescued the baby, which was myself . and then, of course, myself. and then, of course, i spent the next six months in hospital recovering from malnutrition and, um, enduring that period . obviously, uh, that period. obviously, uh, hackney borough council made me

a ward of court, which then i spent next 14 years of my spent the next 14 years of my life in children's homes. so consequently , obviously now, um, consequently, obviously now, um, my cause and my ministry is with fantomas uk campaign , and that's fantomas uk campaign, and that's to try and rejuvenate the care system sector and to help children and young people in the care system . care system. >> uh, it's really important that we get behind this campaign because we need to be able to give our young children and make a difference to their lives and give them opportunity to get on the right path so they can fulfil and reach their full potential in life, too. a lot of our care leavers are struggling , our care leavers are struggling, and i've you know, obviously championed that with regard to helping to bring about a summit which will be 2025 and during that summit , we'll discuss a lot that summit, we'll discuss a lot of societal problems, which are young children in the care system have , you know, our care system have, you know, our care leavers, 33% of our care

leavers, 33% of our care leavers, obviously they have a problem with, uh, you know , um, problem with, uh, you know, um, surviving and maintaining independence , living. independence, living. >> so they end up homeless , 33% >> so they end up homeless, 33% of them, 27% of our young children . in under 21 year olds, children. in under 21 year olds, you know, end up in prison. unfortunately, they're life, uh, you know, chances are very limited. so we need to get together. i'm asking you, the people, to get together, and let's help these youngsters . and let's help these youngsters. and these young have better these young people have better chancesin these young people have better chances in life. fathima's campaign. >> com. there you go. i think they've got that, fatima. and we'll repeat the website address as well towards the end as well. just for anybody who missed that. keep that. so fatima, you keep popping that. so fatima, you keep popping in my timeline, popping up in my timeline, you're stuff all the time. you're doing stuff all the time. talk these these last talk to me. these these last this . this previous this last year. this previous yeah this last year. this previous year. yes it's been a whirlwind for you. so talk to me about some of the stuff you've been doing. >> i mean, obviously my campaign is underway . it's crammed full is underway. it's crammed full of meeting ministers. i've met.

uh keir starmer. of meeting ministers. i've met. uh keir starmer . yvette cooper. uh keir starmer. yvette cooper. um, i'm meeting michael gove . um, i'm meeting michael gove. coming soon. um, david johnson and lee anderson, as we know. i mean, he's a great a great man. and thanks, lee, because he's given me a lot of support for fatima's uk campaign as well. so brilliant. and you know, i've also written to the princess of wales because i think this , you wales because i think this, you know, she champions children and i think it would be a fantastic opportunity to have her to come and open our , uh, um, summit in and open our, uh, um, summit in april next year. uh, please , if april next year. uh, please, if you're listening, it's so important we're going to do our best for these young children . best for these young children. >> she's probably she's >> well, she's probably she's recovering. she's recovering. i bet you she's watching gp you know you watching gp news. you know you do, do . a lot of do, catherine. you do. a lot of people it. they don't people watch it. they don't want to admit it, come on. but to admit it, but come on. but yeah, i mean, hopefully she gets well can move well soon and she can move forward can all i was forward and we can all i was very fortunate just before christmas, um, to have been awarded helen rollason award.

>> community service s which gave me the opportunity to get this message out there with regard to fatima's uk campaign and rejuvenating the care system is really important to shared practice, to give what we call a nationalistic framework to our care system sector, because there's a lot of good people doing a lot of good work, but they're spattered all over the place. to them place. so to bring them together, the power of together, harness the power of one to improve practice one voice to improve practice shared ideas by collaboration and also , you know, in and also, you know, in partnerships, working with businesses. if you're a company out there looking to support . out there looking to support. got some spare cash, please , uh. got some spare cash, please, uh. come aboard. it's really important that we start to look after our young care system and children in the care system because they're our future building happier lives, better communities, and a nicer kind of society. we really need your help. please find . me. fatima's help. please find. me. fatima's campaign comm . help. please find. me. fatima's campaign comm. i'm help. please find. me. fatima's campaign comm . i'm also doing campaign comm. i'm also doing everest base camp in may to raise funds and awareness for our children, too.

>> and when you say you want companies on board and things like that, what is it that you want them to do? is it mainly cash or is it incentives for young people? what kind of companies as well? yes. >> i mean, i work on the john lewis partnership initiative and advisory group that dame sharon white launched for our care leavers, 18 to 25 year olds and we like we would like companies to consider more, to take on our young care leavers, employability skill up some of your staff take on some of these young people. their life chances are limited without our support. so we need you to do that. and also funding. funding is so important to give our children the opportunity of doing sport and power of sport programs or arts to help get them into programs, keep them out of harm's way, give them something to focus on. go back to what was the old community events in in back in the day in communities. support one another by

collaborate and give our young people a chance . people a chance. >> yeah, because we hear stories of babies being abandoned. we've had a few recently and it's really sad. but then that that child can become someone like you, you're absolutely. and when you, you're absolutely. and when you realise that this is somebody who's been given a tough life chance and now it's for us as a as a nation to kind of look after people like this. >> we need to do that. um you know, nana because we can't i mean, look, the renee and barnardos did it. they didn't have government support. so what did they do? they went alone. there's no reason why we can't go alone. and at least improve the outcomes. and make a difference for our young children . work together children. work together collaboratively in partnership because that's what it's about. coming together as a group. it's going to achieve far more than it would just left alone to it would be just left alone to endure. you get to talk to endure. do you get to talk to a lot of the children in care? >> get to around the >> do you get to go around the care things? and yes, care homes and things? and yes, what's doing what's it like for you doing

that? what's it like for you doing tha it's quite surreal really, >> it's quite surreal really, because obviously i've still got a lot of emotional traumas myself. your primary care years never leave you and as you get older, everybody's responsible to do the healing work, which is what i do constantly . um, but at what i do constantly. um, but at the same time, when i see these young children, it my heart goes out to them because i know exactly what they're feeling and what going what you know, they're going through. and you know, when you hear a story like one young, particularly young girl said, i'm so pleased i, i've got my own bed. she said. i was sleeping on the floor and my sister and i, we only had one pair of shoes. mummy could only afford one pair of shoes, so we tookitin afford one pair of shoes, so we took it in turns to go to school . now, when you hear that kind of not open your of story, why not open your heart to these children and your wallet and make sure we can, you know, support these young children and helping them have a better life because, you know , better life because, you know, without people coming together, you know, and sharing the power of their emotional intelligence,

there wealth and their opportunity to skill up for work. these young children, young people, you know, give them back the independence. and, you know , the opportunity of you know, the opportunity of making something and breaking that cycle in order for when they have a family of their own, they have a family of their own, they can stand up and be proud about that, too. >> yeah. because there are a lot of people in care and you meet people and you who are adults now , and they say, i was in care now, and they say, i was in care as a sort of a matter of fact thing. yes. but that must come with a of trauma. there's with a lot of trauma. there's a lot although would lot of trauma, although i would say being able to have say, um, being able to have shared story is enabled. say, um, being able to have shait's story is enabled. say, um, being able to have shait's quite ory is enabled. say, um, being able to have shait's quite empoweringd. >> it's quite empowering. enabled others to come forward. um, nana, which is really good because , you know, there's no because, you know, there's no shame that . these children shame in that. these children arrive in the care system through their own, through no fault of their own, and we need to rid of this and we need to get rid of this stigmatisation . you know, where stigmatisation. you know, where children children's homes children in children's homes must done something must have done something wrong. no, and no, that's not the case. and they come with particular set of issues of trauma, abandonment and neglect . and it is difficult

and neglect. and it is difficult for them for young people to suppress process . yes, that suppress that process. yes, that that abandonment and that neglect. you know, for me it was no different. and of course, i found myself with sport. sport was my saviour and through sport i found the love of the whitbread family. and we all know what happened in the end, i became champion, world became world champion, world record is record holder. so. and this is exactly the chances, the hope that we're trying to give these young children out there to, to share with them that you're not alone. we see you, we hear you, and we are going to help you on that pathway, not unstoppable pathway reaching your goals, pathway to reaching your goals, to have you ever excuse me? >> have you ever found who your birth mother is ? and have you birth mother is? and have you beenin birth mother is? and have you been in touch with your birth mother at all? is she still alive? >> well, no. she she passed away and sadly , it wasn't and sadly, it wasn't the greatest experience . nana. greatest of experience. nana. you know, i mean, i was sexually abused by the mother's lover on abused by the mother's lover on a visit. um when i was asked by the social services to go and

visit her, you know, and try to integrate back into the family , integrate back into the family, things have changed greatly since the years i was in the care system in the 60s, um, to what they are now. and, you know, i would just like to think that i know, i would just like to think thati can know, i would just like to think that i can help make that difference through fatima's campaign. that much more, you know, for future generations beyond ours. well listen, if people want to get in touch and help out, what's the web address? >> if you say it out loud. so people. >> so here we have it. fatima's campaign .com. so if you go on fatima's campaign.com, you can see all about what this is about . but equally please share it with everybody. and also dig deep into your pockets and give generously. help me to help and make a difference to these young children's lives . children's lives. >> oh, thank you so much fatima . >> oh, thank you so much fatima. thank you. thank you for sharing your time and your message . your time and your message. >> and thank you for championing the campaign to and for our young people, young children . young people, young children. it's greatly received, you know, and i want to give you a hug.

>> i can do oh, yeah. there you go.thank >> i can do oh, yeah. there you go. thank you. the very least we can honestly. go. thank you. the very least we can ithat'sly. go. thank you. the very least we can ithat's what it's about >> and that's what it's about collaboration and partnerships. >> you achieve much more. >> you achieve much more. >> fatima whitbread isn't she a superstar? that is the brilliant fatima whitbread. please help her if you can. well this is gb news and it's time now for the great british giveaway. and you could win £18,000 in totally tax free cash to spend however you like. nancy's the chance to make it yours. well, here's how we wanted ten 2024 into 2020. >> more with your chance to win £18,000 in cash to spend however you like, you really could be the next big winner of our great british giveaway. phil from west yorkshire won our last one. listen to his reaction when we gave him the news. i never won a pennyin gave him the news. i never won a penny in my life. >> well congrats nations, you've won £10,000! >> oh my god. >> oh my god. >> wow for your chance to win £18,000 in tax free cash. ten gb win to 84 902. text cost £2 plus

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with me michael portillo, gb news britain's news channel . news britain's news channel. >> good afternoon. if you're just tuned in, where have you been. just tuned in, where have you been . it's all right. it'sjust been. it's all right. it's just coming up to 24 minutes after 5:00. you missed a little bit of the show. you've only got about 45 minutes left. but stay tuned because to because there's loads still to come. actually, akua come. actually, i'm nana akua andifs come. actually, i'm nana akua and it's now for the great and it's time now for the great british i'm british debate this out, and i'm asking religion any asking, should religion play any

part in granting asylum? is part in granting asylum? it is as police continue their national manhunt for chemical attack. suspect abdul ezedi. but the 35 year old convicted sex offender has had his application for asylum rejected twice before, and then he converted to christianity and then it was granted. that's why i'm asking should religion play any part in granting asylum ? so joining me granting asylum? so joining me now is the former chaplain to queen elizabeth ii and political commentator matthew stadlen , commentator matthew stadlen, gavin ashenden and of course , gavin ashenden and of course, matthew stadlen. okay, so i'm going to start with you, gavin . going to start with you, gavin. what do you think about this? because this guy was granted asylum and i, based on the fact that he said he'd be persecuted if he went back because he converted to christianity. well your invitation to come on the show got me thinking, because it's not. >> it's quite a complicated question . uh, and as i thought question. uh, and as i thought about it, it seemed to me that we have absolutely no reason to give anybody asylum. >> scrap >> i think we should scrap the whole asylum . it was whole concept of asylum. it was built on an entirely different

understand the understand of our the relationship between our civilisation , the whole concept civilisation, the whole concept of immigration now means of mass immigration now means that we don't have any asylum to give. the last time i looked at the news, a lady from syria said she wanted to go back to syria because it was safer than london she wanted to go back to syria betermsit was safer than london she wanted to go back to syria beterms ofvas safer than london she wanted to go back to syria beterms of knife ifer than london she wanted to go back to syria beterms of knife crimein london she wanted to go back to syria beterms of knife crime ,| london she wanted to go back to syria beterms of knife crime , uh,1don she wanted to go back to syria beterms of knife crime , uh, we1 in terms of knife crime, uh, we have imported a whole we've imported whole aspects of islamic communities here. who's going to give asylum to the jewish mp for finchley, who has to hide because of the threats from the muslim community? we we're not. we have no asylum to give . we should stop the whole give. we should stop the whole thing completely. and try and begin to regain some control over our borders while we can, and build in what what social homogeneity the remains to have, you know, do we have left? um. >> but gavin , are you not >> but gavin, are you not concerned? people might say, oh, you're being racist, because that the general , that tends to be the general, uh, suggestion. said uh, suggestion. if you said something like that . something like that. >> no, i'm being philosophical . >> no, i'm being philosophical. i'm making a distinction between one philosophy and another.

i'm making a distinction between one philosophy and another . the one philosophy and another. the philosophies of the people who have flooded into our country are entirely different with are an entirely different with the civilisation have . uh, the civilisation we have. uh, our of law is in danger. uh our rule of law is in danger. uh wokeist ism means that we're no longer allowed to say what we think. it's nothing to do with racism. it's far more serious than racism. now, we have profound philosophical conflicts. and i'd like to rescue what's left of the civilisation , which allowed us civilisation, which allowed us some speech and from free some free speech and from free expression. there's little expression. there's very little of continuing to of it left now, continuing to give people spurious asylum on the grounds that they'd rather live here off our economic system than elsewhere , is simply system than elsewhere, is simply a and we shouldn't a nonsense, and we shouldn't even question even ask the question about whether acts as whether religion acts as a grounds to do such a thing. >> matthew stadlen woke terrorism. i've not heard that before. before come before. just before i come to the substance argument, the substance of the argument, and should be and that's what we should be focusingcome news, many >> i've come on gb news, many times and have had plenty of enriching conversations and debates , and i think the views debates, and i think the views we've just heard expressed, they're the disgusting i've they're the most disgusting i've come across on the channel and i am appalled that this man was the chaplain our great late

the chaplain to our great late queen. onto the substance of it, the idea that we should scrap asylum completely when we have a duty to some of the most challenged people in the world by war, by famine, by all sorts of things , is i just find deeply of things, is i just find deeply repellent. my own grandparents came to this great country as refugees from hitler. i wouldn't be here if this country hadn't opened its borders to my grandparents, haydee and peter stadlen . they were always stadlen. they were always incredibly grateful to britain. i remain grateful to this country, and i'm a proud brit, an english born person myself . an english born person myself. the question that you've been asking nana is whether or not christianity, but religion more generally , religious stance. and generally, religious stance. and it can actually sometimes be atheism should be a cause or not to grant someone asylum. and of course it should be, because in some countries you can be persecuted and tortured, put to death on account of your religious belief or otherwise. do some people , perhaps a lot of do some people, perhaps a lot of people, try to game the system?

i would, i would have thought that's very possible. in fact, i think it's probably i think it's very probable. and it is the duty of our system to clamp down on that as effectively and efficiently as possible. but should we grant asylum to people? yes. and should we grant asylum to people according to their religion if they're going to otherwise, to be killed otherwise, absolutely. yes. we should . absolutely. yes. we should. >> to give gavin a >> well, i need to give gavin a chance respond to that, chance to respond to that, because some might because some people might consider that was quite an unfair . matthew gavin . unfair comment. matthew gavin. >> well, i'd like to give matthew the opportunity to apologise his bigotry . i apologise for his bigotry. i don't think i've come on to a programme before have programme before and have somebody that they're so somebody said that they're so offended can't offended that the view can't be expressed . matthew, you really offended that the view can't be expre cope. matthew, you really offended that the view can't be expre cope with thew, you really offended that the view can't be expre cope with the v, you really offended that the view can't be expre cope with the view really offended that the view can't be expre cope with the view andlly offended that the view can't be expre cope with the view and you can't cope with the view and you didn't said that what didn't listen. i said that what was true 50 or 60 years ago, and i'm huge supporter the i'm a huge supporter of the kindertransport programme is not true today. you must recognise the circumstances of change. we have.if the circumstances of change. we have. if we have a moral duty as you allow our society to you say, to allow our society to be overrun by people, tell me, where does moral duty come where does that moral duty come from believe god or from? do you believe in god or do you believe form of

do you believe in a form of social utopianism? what's driving this moral duty of yours? because what's driving my duty is my care and concern for my neighbour and a desire to save our society from becoming a third world country sooner than it has already. so, i mean , i it has already. so, i mean, i can't believe you could possibly try and take offence then try and take offence and then shut argument up because you shut an argument up because you don't like grow up. don't like it. grow up. >> tried to shut >> i haven't tried to shut any argument down. i've responded to the substance and i've responded to views . if you feel to your views. if you feel emboldened empowered to put emboldened and empowered to put out bigotry live on out your bigotry live on national television, i retain my right to come back at you and to come at you very hard. come back at you very hard. that's what freedom speech that's what freedom of speech is. i think that we should is. do i think that we should give asylum people ? whether give asylum to people? whether they me finish . do they do. let me finish. do i think that we should asylum think that we should give asylum to they're to people, whether they're jewish, they jewish, muslim, whatever they are, whether they're my grandparents they're someone grandparents or they're someone else's muslim grandparents ? yes, else's muslim grandparents? yes, of course i do. do some asylum seekers break the law? yes they do. should they? should the law come down very hard on them? yes it should. come down very hard on them? yes it s i've d. come down very hard on them? yes it si've got give gavin >> i've got to give gavin because him because you're calling him names

and is not about name and this is not about name calling. gavin he called bigot. >> you haven't heard the argument. you're just. >> bigotry. >> he said your bigotry. >> he said your bigotry. >> he's just repeating his views without. this is supposed to be a debate. and in a you a debate. and in a debate, you take views. i've heard take people's views. i've heard your very your views. they're very interesting. is, you interesting. the trouble is, you don't appear with the don't appear to deal with the fact society has changed fact that society has changed the asylum seekers on the effect of asylum seekers on our society has changed our society beyond recognition. it's not a matter of taking in a few huguenots from huguenots or a few jews from hitler. been overwhelmed hitler. we've been overwhelmed by numbers. we get 15 by enormous numbers. we get 15 cities the size of birmingham have been coming in over the last few years. where do you think we're going to provide the resources to educate, give health care to, to people at that level? where are they coming from? this planet of economics? do you live on? >> answer question . >> okay, answer the question. this without this man is this man without a name. call >> first of all, i didn't call this man a bigot. >> i said bigotry. yes. >> i said bigotry. yes. >> and he described he described my views as bigoted. right. i'm responding in kind because i believe his are bigoted. believe his views are bigoted. he confusing legal he is also confusing legal

migration with immigrants coming to this country. welcome to this country by the government under legal schemes with asylum seekers, some asylum seekers come here illegally. we have a system to attempt to deal with that. some people, some asylum seekers, come here perfectly legally . we have not had 15 legally. we have not had 15 cities of birmingham in cities the size of birmingham in recent years, populated by asylum seekers. >> that's just that's just factual nonsense. >> okay, but how do you know he's he's my comparing the wrong thing, gavin , because i've just thing, gavin, because i've just i've just. no, i just i thing, gavin, because i've just i've just. no, ijust i don't think it was because he said he wants to scrap the whole thing, so that would be legal and illegal, wouldn't it, gavin? >> can >> absolutely. of course i can make legal and make a distinction in legal and illegal, have tell illegal, although i have to tell you, doesn't you, the government doesn't doesn't there's no there is no distinction legal distinction made between legal and illegal asylum way and illegal asylum and the way we who come we deal with people who come into everybody gets into the country. everybody gets to been no to stay. there's been no deportations are the whole mechanism of dealing with illegal asylum hasn't been operable. i'm suggesting . operable. i'm suggesting. therefore, it's not bigoted. it's a practical way of trying to manage a situation . we to manage a situation. we scrapped the concept of asylum .

scrapped the concept of asylum. if our government wants to import people to do various skilled jobs to help our society, let them do it. that's perfectly okay. saying the perfectly okay. i'm saying the nofion perfectly okay. i'm saying the notion of asylum existed in notion of asylum has existed in in the shade of under the shadow of the second world war. needs to be completely changed. we're not in the same world order. what's bigoted about that? >> viewpoint . >> this is an extreme viewpoint. don't nana. and it's really important what he said. >> no. asked >> no, no, no. he asked you what's about. i'm what's bigoted about. i'm explaining bigoted what's bigoted about. i'm ex say1ing bigoted what's bigoted about. i'm ex say1ing we bigoted what's bigoted about. i'm ex say1ing we shouldyigoted what's bigoted about. i'm ex say1ing we should accept no to say that we should accept no vulnerable around to say that we should accept no vulrworld? around the world? >> i assure you that >> and i can assure you that there are tens of. yes, there are people who are concerned about there are about crime and yes, there are people think foreign people who think that foreign criminals deported. criminals should be deported. and i would agree and in many cases i would agree with them. however, there are tens millions fellow tens of millions of our fellow brits believe strongly brits who believe very strongly that we should offer some sort of assistance to some of the most vulnerable people in the world. but with that comes risk. because guess what? when you do that, beings . that, human beings. >> matthew, >> matthew prime. but matthew, you do but a kind you could do that. but in a kind of like we'll take on some of these people don't these people and you don't necessarily need a system of

asylum and that's what asylum. and i think that's what gavin sorry no asylum gavin is saying. sorry no asylum seekers. no . but seekers. well, no, no, no. but what saying is you could, what he's saying is you could, if a certain say if if you wanted a certain say if you have this, you can come to the could at times, the country. you could at times, uh, perhaps request different people country. people come to the country. but you need an you don't necessarily need an asylum system . he's saying that asylum system. he's saying that the changed. the thing has changed. no, no, don't need. >> clear about what >> let's be clear about what this is saying. >> let's be clear about what this he's is saying. >> let's be clear about what this he's anything aying. >> let's be clear about what this he's anything butg. >> let's be clear about what this he's anything but gentle. think he's anything but gentle. he saying there should he is saying that there should be if be no asylum. contradict me if i've that , if i've be no asylum. contradict me if i've that, if i've missed. be no asylum. contradict me if i'\i've that, if i've missed. be no asylum. contradict me if i'\i've misrepresented nissed. be no asylum. contradict me if i'\i've misrepresented yourd. if i've misrepresented your views, this man should be no asylum to this country. >> gavin , just answer the response. >> i wish, matthew, i wish matthew would stop with the insults because really insults because it really doesn't to the doesn't help us get to the argument. it's nothing to do with or not, you with that. gentle or not, you wouldn't know. and you actually, you suggesting wouldn't know. and you actually, you things suggesting wouldn't know. and you actually, you things have suggesting wouldn't know. and you actually, you things have changedsting wouldn't know. and you actually, you things have changed s0|g that things have changed so drastically 50 60 drastically in the last 50 or 60 years. pressure of years. under the pressure of mass the concept mass migration, that the concept of asylum needs to be looked at again that's bigoted. again, that's not bigoted. it's not stupid . somebody needs to do not stupid. somebody needs to do something radical about the something very radical about the way our society takes way in which our society takes people overload resources. >> gavin . >> gavin. >> gavin. >> that's the argument i've got. >> that's the argument i've got.

>> i've got to end because i've got to get to the news. but thank you so much for your contribution. gavin ashenden and also stadlen, you also matthew stadlen, thank you so thoughts. what so much for your thoughts. what do they uh do you think? are they right? uh gb news.com nana gb views at gb news.com i'm nana akua. news. we'll akua. this is gb news. we'll coming we'll continue the coming up. we'll continue the great this hour. great british debate this hour. i'm religion play great british debate this hour. i'm part religion play great british debate this hour. i'm part grantingeligion play great british debate this hour. i'm part granting asylum?ay great british debate this hour. i'm pihear granting asylum?ay great british debate this hour. i'm pihear the 1ting asylum?ay great british debate this hour. i'm pihear the thoughts um?ay great british debate this hour. i'm pihear the thoughts of|?ay great british debate this hour. i'm pihear the thoughts of my you'll hear the thoughts of my panel broadcast from columnist lizzie and former labour lizzie cundy and former labour party adviser laza . i've party adviser matthew laza. i've also got a clip that i've been bringing to but tell bringing to you, but i'll tell you straight to you what. we'll go straight to the we'll check out the news and we'll check out that clip in a moments. time that clip in a few moments. time >> thanks, nana 534. i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom. our top stories stormont's first nationalist first minister has pledged to work with unionists to build a better future for northern ireland. >> the historic appointment of sinn fein's michelle o'neill was confirmed as power sharing was restored two years after it collapsed . it follows an collapsed. it follows an agreement between the democratic unionist party and the government over post—brexit

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people's. channel >> good afternoon. if you just tuned in. welcome . on board. tuned in. welcome. on board. it's just coming up to 41 minutes after 5:00. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we are the people's channel and it's time now for the great british debate. this hour. i'm debate. this hour. and i'm asking, play asking, should religion play any part asylum ? and part in granting asylum? and this is, of course, as police continue national manhunt continue their national manhunt for chemical attack, suspect abdul ezedi. but the 75 year old convicted sex offender has had his application for asylum rejected twice beforehand, and then he converted to christianity and then it was granted . so for the great granted. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking religion any asking, should religion play any part asylum ? well, part in granting asylum? well, joining discuss my joining me now to discuss my panel joining me now to discuss my panel, broadcaster and columnist lizzie , also labour lizzie cundy, also former labour party matthew lhasa, party adviser matthew lhasa, lizzie cundy i'm going to start with lizzie cundy i'm going to start witiabsolutely . not and sadly, >> absolutely. not and sadly, nana, as we've seen, people will lie and lie , lie and lie and do lie and lie, lie and lie and do anything to get in this country

and sadly, gullible clergymen want to see the good in people and are very gullible and sadly , and are very gullible and sadly, you know, you just can't with faith. how do you objectively know the truth? that is the problem with this. and i actually think if anyone has radical religious beliefs or they have any links with terrorism, they have a criminal record and they're not allowed in. i really do think we've got to get tougher here. we really do. and we cannot let what has happened happen again. it's terrible. what do you think, matthew? >> is it a shaky ground when you're saying, oh, because i'm a christian, i'm going to get persecuted? is that does that really, happen? really, honestly still happen? >> it does >> so. well, i think it does happen like happen in places like afghanistan. but think afghanistan. but but i think we're when we're on shaky ground when people pop we're on shaky ground when petheir pop we're on shaky ground when petheir local pop we're on shaky ground when petheir local church, pop we're on shaky ground when petheir local church, sit pop to their local church, sit through a couple services and through a couple of services and then um, then say, where do i sign? um, so we've seen with this so, i mean, we've seen with this case and saw with the case of case and we saw with the case of the liverpool maternity unit bombing, where the a christian family sort of taken in and family had sort of taken in and converted, and was that converted, and that was why that guy allowed clearly

guy was allowed to stay. clearly yes. i think religion can, in exceptional circumstances, play a part. so if say, you know, somebody who's burnt of somebody who's been burnt out of their church in a country, you know, comes here we've got know, comes here and we've got evidence that, then yes, evidence of that, um, then yes, of course they would be qualified asylum. but we've qualified for asylum. but we've absolutely this rash absolutely got to stop this rash bit of, you know, you go to your local , smile a bit and local church, smile a bit and you it's a bit like getting you get it's a bit like getting a sick note from your mum, isn't it? mean, we've stop. a sick note from your mum, isn't it? ridiculouse've stop. a sick note from your mum, isn't it? ridiculous what stop. a sick note from your mum, isn't it? ridiculous what we've top. to a sick note from your mum, isn't it? rare ulous what we've top. to a sick note from your mum, isn't it? rare theis what we've top. to a sick note from your mum, isn't it? rare theis what left 'e top. to a sick note from your mum, isn't it? rare theis what left lefty to stop are the radical left lefty lawyers that are helping them and falling for any sob story. but that's what's also a lot of them are aiding and abetting the sob story. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> it's a money making. >> it's a money making. >> it's a money making. >> it's money making racket. >> it's a money making racket. they get money, it's aid. they get money, it's legal aid. so it. so we're paying for it. so irrespective, it's not well, it's their interest to it's in their interest to continue appeals continue with the appeals process, they want to or process, whether they want to or not. it is in there. process, whether they want to or not and 5 in there. process, whether they want to or not and 5 in thethe process, whether they want to or not ands in thethe problems process, whether they want to or notands in thethe problems is >> and one of the problems is i'm if people come i'm not saying if people come with paperwork to that with paperwork to prove that they, they their they, you know, they need their baptism certificate . i mean, you baptism certificate. i mean, you know, rather than just throwing all but not all their paperwork but not their smartphone overboard. uh, when and when they arrive and then and then , i mean, if, i

then claiming, i mean, if, i mean, stories that we're mean, if the stories that we're heanng mean, if the stories that we're hearing are correct of hearing today are correct of people at the nearest people queuing up at the nearest churches to some of the, you know, former military bases where people are being held, then, you know, don't need then, you know, you don't need to realise that's to be a cynic to realise that's ridiculous. needs to be a cynic to realise that's ridoperate needs to be a cynic to realise that's ridoperate it's needs to be a cynic to realise that's ridoperate it's doing. needs to be a cynic to realise that's ridoperate it's doing. theis to operate what it's doing. the church needs to send out clear guidance. >> matthew, if throw >> matthew, if you if you throw away if you >> matthew, if you if you throw away away if you >> matthew, if you if you throw away away your if you >> matthew, if you if you throw away away your if y

we've got to get tougher . we've got to get tougher. >> we've certainly same question. >> so the answer is in most circumstances, , just just circumstances, no, just just claim you a christian or another religion that may be persecuted isn't we've got isn't enough. if we've got genuine you've genuine evidence that you've been it, been persecuted because of it, then absolutely . but so but then yes, absolutely. but so but i mean, that's going a i mean, that's going to be a very small of cases . very small number of cases. >> what about gavin ashenden, who it all who said, just close it all off for i mean, that's i'll for a while? i mean, that's i'll be where stand on it. for a while? i mean, that's i'll bethat where stand on it. for a while? i mean, that's i'll bethat would re stand on it. for a while? i mean, that's i'll bethat would rewould d on it. for a while? i mean, that's i'll bethat would rewould d on all is that i would i would stop all the for while the immigration for a while until worked out until i've actually worked out who's here, what's what. i would probably close the door for about year, minimum. that's about a year, minimum. that's what know. agree with what we now know. i agree with you, racist anything. you, racist or anything. it's just already have just that we already have a situation where we've got we're overrun to stop and overrun, so you need to stop and then recalibrate. >> can't cope . as i said, >> we can't cope. as i said, this is only a small island. we're the and we're bursting at the seams and it's affecting everything from our aspect of our nhs. every every aspect of life. our school education. >> i say celebrating matthew laza.i >> i say celebrating matthew laza. i think that we need to. >> i think we need >> i think that we need to reduce legal migration into reduce both legal migration into this country , and i think we this country, and i think we also need to manage it properly. we need to know who's coming in

and illegal migration. we and on illegal migration. we need stop the boat, the need to stop the boat, smash the gangs large gangs and reduce the large number of coming who clearly number of men coming who clearly shouldn't be here. >> if rwanda working. do you >> if rwanda is working. do you think starmer should think that keir starmer should roll the of roll back? i mean, the truth of the matter is i think there's zero happening. zero chance of rwanda happening. but working, zero chance of rwanda happening. bmean, working, zero chance of rwanda happening. bmean, it's working, zero chance of rwanda happening. bmean, it's a working, zero chance of rwanda happening. bmean, it's a very working, zero chance of rwanda happening. bmean, it's a very theoretical], question. >> was working then they >> if it was working then they would but would have to look at it. but the of matter is, and the truth of the matter is, and they've that if there's they've said that if there's anybody in, they're going anybody in, they're not going to pull from rwanda. pull people back from rwanda. and we wouldn't people and just we wouldn't take people off remember, the off the barge. but remember, the barge off the barge. but remember, the bargnow decided a week, a night. >> well, listen, show's >> well, listen, this show's nothing without your nothing without you and your views. welcome great views. let's welcome a great british voice. is there opportunity to be on the show and they really and tell us what they really think topics we're think about the topics we're discussing today? i've got four think about the topics we're di:you,ing today? i've got four think about the topics we're disyou, rightday? i've got four think about the topics we're disyou, right. i'm i've got four think about the topics we're disyou, right. i'm going ot four of you, right. i'm going to start adrian just start with adrian gel. oh, just three can't three of you. sorry, i can't count adrian gel. what do you think? >> hi, nana. >> hi, nana. >> uh, religion should play absolutely no part at all in this . and unless , uh, your your this. and unless, uh, your your life is imminently at risk and your application for asylum

should be thrown out in the first place. um, it's absolutely ludicrous that anybody can be able to come here, throw some limp excuse at border force and immediately make their. limp excuse at border force and immediately make their . they're immediately make their. they're handed bits of paper , uh, saying handed bits of paper, uh, saying saying that they're allowed to stay here until their, their case is reviewed , which takes case is reviewed, which takes forever . case is reviewed, which takes forever. yeah. i'm stuck . this forever. yeah. i'm stuck. this is good. >> let me bring david bohm. david bohm. >> hi, nana. i agree to a point, but we've seen over the last century there are times where it is shown to be people being persecuted for their religious beliefs. those ones should be allowed in just on humanitarian grounds. but everyone else, no , grounds. but everyone else, no, but i would go further than that. anyone seeking asylum to hear should swear allegiance to the crown . first and foremost , the crown. first and foremost, and their religion should take a back seat. >> my parents, my mother came from germany at five. they they knew they were coming to a

christian country and we were allowed to be jews in a christian country . christian country. >> mm. well, let's go to julie ford in bedford, bedfordshire . ford in bedford, bedfordshire. julie. yeah. >> um, i have to say, religion shouldn't be the main reason for the asylum at all. >> as your panel have already mentioned, there will be some exceptions where there are genuine in another genuine persecution in another country . country. >> but realistically, religion isn't the overall problem. it's the interpretation of religion and how people then use that to fuel their own agendas. >> and i think that's the problem here. >> um, we know that lots of people who are islamic are not necessarily terrorists. it's about reading the quran in the wrong way . and then how you wrong way. and then how you radicalise yourself. so realistically, it should be about someone's opinion and interpretation of religion, rather than what religion they're actually under . they're actually under. >> wow. thank you for that. that's, uh, adrian girl in shropshire, david barlow in watford, fabulous julie watford, and the fabulous julie ford in bedfordshire. thank you so much . right now it's time for so much. right now it's time for a clip bait and a clip that

caught my now video caught my eye. now today's video shows two trying to regain shows two women trying to regain access to their let's access to their house. let's roll . part of the clip. i'm roll. part of the clip. i'm going to ask my panel to work out what comes next. should we pay-7 out what comes next. should we pay? part of the is this the whole some of it ? whole clip or just some of it? okay, good. let's . see a&e what okay, good. let's. see a&e what happens next? >> well, she she's sadly gets stuck and as she's pulling down her top, it sort of goes down with it and exposes her breast . with it and exposes her breast. >> what do you think? i think she falls backwards. and the other lady falls over domino effect. >> right. right. at >> right. all right. well, at home, what think? um all home, what do you think? um all right, the clip. right, let's roll the clip. let's happens. let's see what happens. right. so . they are playing .

so. they are playing. with pat cullen . pat cullen. >> oh, yeah . >> oh, yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> yes. we have to blow it out. yes. she was climbed through the windows. that ever happened to you? no not all so it's you? no not all right. so it's time now for our quick fire quiz. that's the part of the show where i test my panel on some of the other stories hitting headlines now. hitting the headlines right now. joining cundy, your joining me, lizzie cundy, your buzzer, . and matthew laza buzzer, please. and matthew laza your buzzer . and please play your buzzer. and please play along at home. right. question one according to reports in the us, taylor swift and her american footballing boyfriend travis kelce are behind a plot to get president biden re—elected. but who does travis kelce play for? is it a new york jets? b san francisco 40 niners or c kansas city chiefs ? oh, or c kansas city chiefs? oh, lizzie was a little bit before i finished, but i'll go for you, lizzie. >> i'm going for a i should know this and i'm not sure what uh, new york, new york jets. >> and i'm gonna go for the san francisco 40 niners, san francisco 40 niners, san francisco 40 niners to see the

answer a kansas city jets. francisco 40 niners to see the ansyes a kansas city jets. francisco 40 niners to see the ansyes , a kansas city jets. francisco 40 niners to see the ansyes , that ansas city jets. francisco 40 niners to see the ansyes , that was s city jets. francisco 40 niners to see the ansyes , that was taylor|ets. francisco 40 niners to see the ansyes , that was taylor swift. >> yes, that was taylor swift. taylor swift is currently number two to alfie best's, uh , uh, book. >> the, uh . yeah gypsy >> the, uh. yeah gypsy billionaire, which is fantastic. yeah. um, that is rocketing through. he's going to be he's going to hollywood i know. um, but apparently, um, she's annoying the fans because she's getting all the press and it's she, they think it's, you know, putting them off the game . so putting them off the game. so taylor in trouble with taylor swift's in trouble with them . right? them. right? >> question two. well done lizzie . closest answer wins. how lizzie. closest answer wins. how many days has the northern ireland assembly stormont been suspended for? matthew laza 745. lizzie cundy i'm going to say 700. 700. what do you say at home? the answer is 730. matthew laza he's close, he's close. closest as i say. >> yes. you were celebrating? >> yes. you were celebrating? >> you got it wrong . you >> no, you got it wrong. you weren't the winner. >> winner. >> i wasn't the winner. >> i wasn't the winner. >> it was tying at the minute. >> it was tying at the minute. >> yes. so it's one all? yes. of course. stormont they've been, uh. been

uh. they haven't been doing anything . no. anything. no. >> had to cut their >> and they had to cut their salaries being >> and they had to cut their salarfull, being >> and they had to cut their salarfull, full being >> and they had to cut their salarfull, full wages being >> and they had to cut their salarfull, full wages the 3eing paid full, full wages for the beginning. and so they eventually third salary. eventually took a third salary. so they so they hadn't gone back. they should all away. should have taken them all away. >> actually, the to should have taken them all away. >> it. :tually, the to should have taken them all away. >> it. theyy, the to should have taken them all away. >> it. they got the to should have taken them all away. >> it. they got what1e to should have taken them all away. >> it. they got what they to should have taken them all away. >> it. they got what they wanted do it. they got what they wanted in exactly. in the end. exactly. >> the >> that's the way put the pressure on. >> that's the way put the pre yeah.on. >> that's the way put the pre yeah. put pressure on. >> yeah. put pressure on. question late last question three late, late last night, senior mp night, which senior tory mp announced would not announced he would not be standing in the next general election, cundy. uh, freya. >> freya , i need his first name. >> freya, i need his first name. >> freya, i need his first name. >> oh, mike. freya. mike. >> oh, mike. freya. mike. >> oh, mike. freya. mike. >> oh, i should we have one that you said? >> mike after he said mike. okay, well, but i did have a third i'm going to give third name. i'm going to give lizzie i'll give lizzie half a point. i'll give you for that. all right? you a point for that. all right? >> well, each. >> okay. well, a point each. >> okay. well, a point each. >> you got it? no, no. two. one. no. let her am i. no. you just let her have am i. >> her have the whole point? >> let her have the whole point? is okay? i'm gent. is it okay? i'm a gent. >> all next give you >> all right. next i'll give you both the point. >> right. >> okay? you'd be right. >> okay? you'd be right. >> uh, actually, was above >> uh, actually, it was above nil kc. so we both got it nil kc. oh, so we both got it wrong to her. so i'm going to deduct points. okay? deduct both your points. okay? we got. we both got. >> i think mike was the night before. >> there's so many them. >> they're dropping like flies or rats leaving a sinking ship.

>> point , right? or rats leaving a sinking ship. >> point, right? uh. >> that's the point, right? uh. question false ? question four. true or false? home soccer secretary james cleverly . cleverly. not so. one cleverly. cleverly. not so. one stood to become president of the lewisham local history society . lewisham local history society. matthew true, it's true. just say false. >> well, it's true, but false. >> well, it's true, but false. >> then it's true. it is false . >> then it's true. it is false. oh, i love that. >> you could have. you gave the chance to get it . chance to get it. >> i gave you six lizzy tactics . >> i gave you six lizzy tactics. >> i gave you six lizzy tactics. >> you didn't take it. question five this could cost you lizzy . five this could cost you lizzy. come on. second hand retailer is in hot water with customers receiving other people's packages none? at all. packages. or none? none at all. ebay ebay, amazon . amazon. the ebay ebay, amazon. amazon. the answer is vinted. actually, neither of you are the winner on this is, of course, matthew . you are. >> i gave you that on a plate. >> i gave you that on a plate. >> it was your own fault. >> it was your own fault. >> it was your own fault. >> it was. no, it was your own fault. >> it was. you didn't give it to him on a plate. you should have said false because he said exactly right. >> well, thank you nana. >> well, thank you nana.

>> much tonight. >> i love it so much tonight. well, mean, it's only right. >> i love it so much tonight. welonlynean, it's only right. >> i love it so much tonight. welonly right.it's only right. >> i love it so much tonight. welonly right. thanky right. >> i love it so much tonight. welonly right. thank you ht. it's only right. thank you so much panel, broadcaster much to my panel, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. thank also and columnist lizzie cundy. thank you also and columnist lizzie cundy. thank you much also and columnist lizzie cundy. thank you much labour thank you so much to labour party advisor matthew laza. thank you very much. on thank you very much. and on today's was that today's show, what was that question? you question? i've been asking you a question. know. question? i've been asking you a queition. know. question? i've been asking you a que it was know. question? i've been asking you a que it was a know. question? i've been asking you a que it was a asylum)w. question? i've been asking you a que it was a asylum seekers. um >> it was a asylum seekers. um asylum seekers. uh oh. are we forgotten ? forgotten? >> rhiannon. well, listen, thank you to you for your company. yes. criminal criminal criminal. >> well, it's a bit late now. asylum seekers who couldn't be allowed to commit criminal offence. >> yes, well, answer what >> yes, well, the answer is what percentage said check out percentage said no. check it out on heads will roll. on twitter. our heads will roll. by the way, i'll leave you with. she's joking. see you she's not joking. i'll see you tomorrow. same place at 3:00. join fabulous join me, the fabulous christina hamilton kelly. i'll hamilton and danny kelly. i'll see you. see later . for. see you. see you later. for. >> looks like things are heating up. boxed boilers. sponsors of weather on gb news . hello there. weather on gb news. hello there. >> i'm jonathan vautrey here

with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office . some of us managed office. some of us have managed to few sunny spells poked to see a few sunny spells poked their way through the their way through over the course of today, but increasingly, we into increasingly, as we head into the of weekend, increasingly, as we head into this of weekend, increasingly, as we head into this the of weekend, increasingly, as we head into this the cloud of weekend, increasingly, as we head into this the cloud that's weekend, increasingly, as we head into this the cloud that's going kend, increasingly, as we head into this the cloud that's going tord, it is the cloud that's going to be way out, turning be winning its way out, turning quite places, quite murky in places, particularly southern quite murky in places, partioflarly southern quite murky in places, partioflarlyuk. southern quite murky in places, partioflarlyuk. somejthern quite murky in places, partioflarlyuk. some hillrn quite murky in places, partioflarlyuk. some hill and half of the uk. some hill and coastal fog around the coastal fog around tonight. the cloud eventually spreading into northern ireland, northern england later on as england and scotland later on as well. areas drizzle to well. some areas of drizzle to watch out a mild night for watch out for a mild night for all of us. temperatures between seven celsius. these seven ten degrees celsius. these are actually where normally are actually where we'd normally expect during daytime. expect to be during the daytime. at in the year. the at this point in the year. the rain that's slowly pushing its way northwest is all way into the northwest is all associated front associated with this warm front that's its way north that's pushing its way north eastwards. tonight and eastwards. during tonight and into it will turn into monday. so it will turn into monday. so it will turn into a damp, dreary start into quite a damp, dreary start for northern ireland and then eventually that rain spreading into england and into northern england and scotland day. scotland throughout the day. some drizzle still for western wales, south—west england, but into the afternoon central into the afternoon for central england, eastern england . we england, eastern england. we could see sunny spells could see some sunny spells again , trying to poke way again, trying to poke their way through times, a blustery through at times, but a blustery day for all of us, some quite strong, winds in

strong, gusty winds pushing in from is from the southwest. but it is a very mild direction. so again, temperatures are going to be above average for the time of year 13 c. that year between nine 13 c. that rain is still persistent on monday, a warning in monday, with a rain warning in force scotland. force for western scotland. could actually see some on could actually see some snow on the edge that the the leading edge of that for the far further to the south, far north. further to the south, still quite cloudy some still quite cloudy with some drizzle and hold to that drizzle, and we hold on to that mild the south during drizzle, and we hold on to that milycoming the south during drizzle, and we hold on to that milycoming week. south during drizzle, and we hold on to that milycoming week. butith during drizzle, and we hold on to that milycoming week. but perhaps] the coming week. but perhaps something a bit chillier. arriving for the north towards the middle of the week. by that, a feeling from boxt a warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on .

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