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ray addison. >> thanks, darren. our top stories tonight. stormont's first nationalist first minister has pledged to work with unionists to build a better future for northern ireland. the historic appointment of sinn fein's michelle o'neill was confirmed as power sharing was restored two years after it collapsed . now it follows an collapsed. now it follows an agreement between the dup and the government over post—brexit trade. the dup , emma trade. the dup, emma little—pengelly, has become the first deputy. rather, the new deputy fm that's a role that carries equal legal power. michelle o'neill is promising to be inclusive and respectful to all. >> we mark a moment of equality and a moment of progress, a new opportunity to work and to grow together . confident in that together. confident in that wherever we come from, whatever our aspirations are, we can and we must build our future together. i'm really delighted together. i'm really delighted to see every mla back in this chamber today , and i welcome the chamber today, and i welcome the fact that the dup have decided to re—enter the democratic

institutions and that the outcome of last year's assembly election is now being respected . election is now being respected. >> police hunting for a suspected chemical attacker have released new video of a home in newcastle being searched . two newcastle being searched. two containers with potential corrosives were recovered and warnings can be seen on the labels and tests are now ongoing to see if they held the substance used during an attack in south london. abdul ezedi hasn't been seen since an image was taken at king's cross station on wednesday night. 31 year old mother remains in hospital with injuries believed to be life changing. the two young daughters were also hurt , young daughters were also hurt, but not as badly as first thought. at scotland yard. say more than 10,000 pro—palestine supporters have marched through central london today . members of central london today. members of the stop the war coalition and palestine solidarity campaign called for an end to the israel—hamas conflict. one woman

was arrested on suspicion of setting off a smoke bomb or flare . these protesters flare. these protesters explained their demands. people need. explained their demands. people need . to support palestine and need. to support palestine and stop what's going on because day to day, every day, more and more horrific sights are seen. >> the people are talking and the government needs to listen. >> not only the uk, all governments need to listen because the people have spoken. >> we are all humans. we all should feel each we should feel each other. we shouldn't gaza shouldn't be shouldn't be. gaza shouldn't be like that. people shouldn't be killed like like that. people shouldn't be kille(so like like that. people shouldn't be kille(so i'm like like that. people shouldn't be kille(so i'm praying like like that. people shouldn't be kille(so i'm praying forlike that. so i'm praying for a better world, a peaceful world. >> well, for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. carmel's hurts. now let's get back to the saturday five. >> she has ray . it's saturday >> she has ray. it's saturday night folks, and you are with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes and i can promise that you're for in a very lively

houn you're for in a very lively hour. we're going to crack on now tonight's debate. now with tonight's first debate. up now with tonight's first debate. up our very own up first, it's our very own queen . bill linda to lucy queen gammon. bill linda to lucy in a further move to make it impossible . impossible. >> able to deport anyone once they step foot in the uk. the home office has now deemed our nato ally and popular holiday destination. turkey as an unsafe country . who are they working country. who are they working for .7 not the interests and for.7 not the interests and safety of the british people, that's for sure. no country in the world is 100% safe, including the uk. few, if any , including the uk. few, if any, are free from murky human rights issues and with little to no proof needed to have asylum. granted all we had left was the deporting tool and westminster is stripping that off to us the british public have been made the collateral damage to the ivory towered liberal elites across all main parties who want to peacock on the international stage defending dangerous, outdated treaties. but what about the uk's reputation, they say . what what will they think

say. what what will they think of us.7 they cry. what they really mean is what about their own reputations? in case it impacts at champagne impacts them at the champagne do's with their foreign liberal counterparts, and our safety seems they're just seems a sacrifice they're just willing it . sack the willing to make for it. sack the lot them. paedophile lot of them. paedophile murderers terrorists should lot of them. paedophile deeported terrorists should lot of them. paedophile deeported back'rorists should lot of them. paedophile deeported back to ists should lot of them. paedophile deeported back to unsafe»uld be deported back to unsafe countries. they are responsible for the consequences their for the consequences of their monstrous actions, not us. how dare our politicians keep them here? here the deporting tour must be restored for our safety . must be restored for our safety. and we will not shut up for the sake of liberals need to be liked abroad. now, benjamin , do liked abroad. now, benjamin, do you think it is right to send people back to countries deemed unsafe by the very people responsible for our weak, weak, lax asylum system and the open door policy ? do you not think we door policy? do you not think we should be suspicious of this, this constant attempt to stop deporting people who have no right to be here? >> i mean, i'm still waiting for aniane >> i mean, i'm still waiting for an invite to one of these liberal elite champagne do's.

you about. you keep talking about. >> i'm sure you've been many, >> i'm sure you've been to many, benjamin, look, look , people benjamin, but look, look, people who commit most serious who commit the most serious crimes probably do get forfeit their right to an asylum application . application. >> so the man who is alleged to have done an acid attack this week, we know that he was approved for asylum after , uh, approved for asylum after, uh, sex offences. and i can't understand why, when you already have a ten years on the sex offenders registry, how you could be accepted to become a british citizen that i think is understandable. but what i would say, where there is a profound contradiction in your argument, is that seven days ago, in this seat , you is that seven days ago, in this seat, you were arguing against the death penalty. and the truth is that there are lots of other crimes for which , if they were crimes for which, if they were to go back to afghanistan, eritrea, south sudan, they would almost certainly be killed . and almost certainly be killed. and so you are effectively giving them the death penalty for a range, some of them middling crimes. well i disagree with the death penalty because i didn't

think hard enough. think it was hard enough. >> think it was too safe, too >> i think it was too safe, too quick the most monstrous of quick for the most monstrous of criminals. secondly, come criminals. secondly, if you come from that are from these countries that are often violent, often very often very violent, often very patriarchal, misogynistic cultures and you come over here for bit of that. yeah, i mean for a bit of that. yeah, i mean it that's just rubbish. but i am just saying, i think taking away the right of a country to deport because we can't deport the afghan who's put acid over allegedly thrown acid over the, the and children because the woman and children because he as an he is from what's deemed as an unsafe country. we need to stop that, back to where that, send them back to where they and care they came from. and i don't care if they inhumane or if they suffer inhumane or degrading they degrading treatment. they have made suffer that made british people suffer that this thought about this is thought about that before crime this country. >> i don't care. you're saying that they should be deported? maybe for very serious crimes, for paedophilia and for murders, paedophilia and whatever else. i think there should be a blanket ban if you if you shoplift, if you come to this country and you, you take refuge solace and we protect refuge and solace and we protect you persecution you from so—called persecution in your nation. if you so in your home nation. if you so much shoplift , you should be much as shoplift, you should be sent back your home country

sent back to your home country regardless the consequences. regardless of the consequences. ben, that's that's an ben, i think that's that's an example totally example of where you're totally unreasonable . unreasonable. >> all someone who is >> all because someone who is waiting their asylum waiting for their asylum application processed and application to be processed and commit average commit crimes. the average person than 12 months person waits more than 12 months at they get 40 odd at the moment. they get 40 odd pounds. that an excuse for pounds. is that an excuse for committing crime? pounds. is that an excuse for conso tting crime? pounds. is that an excuse for conso isng crime? pounds. is that an excuse for conso is that'ime? pounds. is that an excuse for conso is that anz? pounds. is that an excuse for conso is that an excuse for >> so is that an excuse for committing crime? >> well, a reality that you >> well, it's a reality that you probably can't feed yourself. let if you have let alone your kids. if you have to to have them with you. to happen to have them with you. and think someone might and so i think someone might well taking something well end up taking something they social housing. they get social housing. >> plenty charities >> there's plenty of charities themselves should be more >> i think you should be more decent in understanding the be decent in understanding the be decent crimes. maybe decent crimes. yeah, maybe i'm not crimes in not the one committing crimes in a that has been so a country that has been so hospitable, hospitable and welcoming me welcoming of me and give me refuge for someone refuge and solace for someone live for £40 week. refuge and solace for someone livelfor £40 week. refuge and solace for someone livei think0 week. refuge and solace for someone livei think maybe, k. refuge and solace for someone livei think maybe, maybe they >> i think maybe, maybe they should more decent and stop should be more decent and stop committing crimes getting committing crimes with getting £40 a week. committing crimes with getting £4(howeek. committing crimes with getting £4(how about elsewhere? >> how about they go elsewhere? we them to come here. we didn't ask them to come here. >> well, by that logic, you wouldn't give. you wouldn't give safety the world. safety to anyone in the world. >> this minute >> i wouldn't at this minute because asylum system because our asylum system is a total and putting the total joke, and it's putting the british at risk. british public at risk. basically, argument seems to

basically, the argument seems to be me, belinda, that we're be to me, belinda, that we're saying to people, oh, saying to these people, oh, well, if rape well, you know, if they rape someone home, be someone back home, they'll be murdered. so we can't possibly send them. >> happened an iranian, >> that happened to an iranian, an raped british an iranian raped a british woman last year, and he was stopped from deported because he from being deported because he faced as faced the consequence as a rapist iran. this is rapist back in iran. this is what's happening, albie. don't you does real, genuine you think it does real, genuine refugees from refugees who are at risk from certain death do a huge disservice to throw open our borders to anyone from a country whose prison cells might not be as nice as ours, or they might be, you know, thrown in jail for a months. do you think it's a few months. do you think it's wrong? actually does a wrong? and actually does a disservice genuine refugees, disservice to genuine refugees, as as harming british as well as harming the british pubuc as well as harming the british public infrastructure? as well as harming the british public i infrastructure? as well as harming the british public i do nfrastructure? as well as harming the british public i do thinkructure? as well as harming the british public i do think there a? as well as harming the british public i do think there is >> do and i do think there is a lot of good in what you are saying, but also some stuff which a little bit which is a little bit ridiculous. i think that the fact that we can't send migrants to turkey to to be to turkey seems to me to be ridiculous. millions of brits go on holiday to turkey year. on holiday to turkey every year. it's ally . why? this is it's a nato ally. why? this is a country that we work very closely with on the international stage, and that

many of us go on holiday to. i've been to turkey many times. i've been to turkey many times. i think that is a separate issue from afghanistan is i think that is a separate issue frona afghanistan is i think that is a separate issue frona safe afghanistan is i think that is a separate issue frona safe countryafghanistan is i think that is a separate issue frona safe country injhanistan is i think that is a separate issue frona safe country in anyistan is i think that is a separate issue frona safe country in any metrici not a safe country in any metric , and i would feel very uncomfortable with just getting rid of the rules that we have around safe and unsafe countries. just because we are absolutely . outraged. a specific absolutely. outraged. a specific crime that afghanistan is a very safe country to send back, uh, extremists at islamist, patriarchal, misogynistic . men, patriarchal, misogynistic. men, they will have a ball back there because those in power, those with the right to oppress, those who get all the goodies over there, are the men that background. >> so i don't think we should put the british people at risk as a saviour. but no country. yeah, for those sort of views, as a saviour. but no country. yeicountryiose sort of views, as a saviour. but no country. yeicountry in.e sort of views, as a saviour. but no country. yeicountry in the»rt of views, as a saviour. but no country. yeicountry in the»rt of vist, as a saviour. but no country. yeicountry in the»rt of vis 100% no country in the world is 100% safe under labour. under labour, women like me will be thrown in prison for not adhering and submitting to gender ideology. pronoun um, you know, adherence. there i'll be thrown in prison. does that give me the right to seek asylum in prison? they will

up to two years for misgendering . that's what labour's put out. >> complete nonsense. >> it's complete nonsense. and the is you either the fact is that you either believe in the decency and sanctity of human life or you don't. and i don't think we are a better, stronger , more a better, stronger, more civilised country by throwing people to places that stone women to death. >> but decency and respect works both ways. had we've had both ways. we've had we've had the welcome the decency to welcome these people into our people illegally into our country. we've looked after them. we pay them money. >> not illegal. they're not illegal. if they've been given asylum, they're not illegal. >> illegal illegal. >> illegal and illegal. >> illegal and illegal. >> time right? >> third time lucky, right? >> third time lucky, right? >> give them hospitality. >> we. we give them hospitality. welcome them with open arms. we're a welcoming nation, welcome them with open arms. we're we welcoming nation, welcome them with open arms. we're we should:oming nation, welcome them with open arms. we're we should returni nation, welcome them with open arms. we're we should return the ion, which we should return the respect and the decency by not committing in this country. >> we're going to have to move on. i mean, i would say, you on. but i mean, i would say, you know, and decency works know, respect and decency works both being of the both ways. i being one of the three men in reading that three gay men in reading that were knife to death for having a picnic. anyway up next, it's albie amankona . i'll be taken albie amankona. i'll be taken away polling this week revealed that the reform party is surging in the red wall. >> the party, led by our very

own rich tice, reached 14% popularity in the 40 red wall seats that switched from labour to conservative in the 2019 general election . now, many on general election. now, many on the political right might be thinking this is absolutely brilliant news, but actually it's not because if you investigate it a little bit more, if these polls were replicated at a general election , then the conservatives would lose all 40 red wall seats and they would be gifted back to laboun they would be gifted back to labour. the simple fact of the matter is a vote for reform is a vote for labour. the reality is, if you don't want keir starmer as prime minister, do not vote for reform. look, i know the party is appealing. their policies are interesting . they policies are interesting. they want a net zero migration. they want a net zero migration. they want no nhs waiting lists. they want no nhs waiting lists. they want to lower taxes. they want cheaper energy. but under the first past the post political system, they're never going to

be in power to deliver those policies. and people that think otherwise are quite simply got their heads in the clouds . it's their heads in the clouds. it's time to get real. if you don't want keir starmer at number 10, you must vote conservative. now look , i know the past couple of look, i know the past couple of years of tory government have not been perfect . they have been not been perfect. they have been far from perfect. but rishi sunakis far from perfect. but rishi sunak is delivering inflation halved taxes , cut small boat halved taxes, cut small boat crosses, cross ings down by a third. the northern ireland executive restored the conservative have a plan and it's working, so don't jeopardise that by voting reform at the next general election . at the next general election. because if you do that, you might as well be voting for laboun >> obe i want some of what you're smoking. >> that was a party political broadcast by conservatives. >> so what is it you disagree with? >> all of it? i mean, i do find it pretty funny that you can say the conservatives have underperformed in the last few years. >> i mean, that's putting it politely. i said it's not been

perfect. well, it certainly hasn't perfect . uh, hasn't been perfect. uh, understatement of the century, but would say is i'm so but what i would say is i'm so tired of being told that i can't vote. and i'm not saying how i am going to vote , by the way. i am going to vote, by the way. i think that would be inappropriate. but but that i can't vote for certain party can't vote for a certain party because of the fact that the other party might get in. but it's true. that should mean that the other party actually does its job tries to win my its damn job and tries to win my vote. it? vote. shouldn't it? >> so you'd quite happy for >> so you'd be quite happy for the 40 red wall seats to go to labour if the numbers of people 14% red wallers vote reform , 14% of red wallers vote reform, you'd with that. would you'd be happy with that. would i sat happier than i be sat there happier than a pig i be sat there happier than a pig muck? pig in muck? >> no. but do i think that the conservatives have brought it on themselves? absolutely >> think slightly >> i think you're slightly missing intention of reform. missing the intention of reform. they've it publicly in they've not said it publicly in so words , but i don't even so many words, but i don't even think they're bothered think they're that bothered about of seats they about the number of seats they get. get get. they're not going to get any okay. that's fine. any seats. okay. that's fine. they to destroy the they want to destroy the conservative party. who may i say, think they have divine say, think they have the divine right to rule in this country? they i was going to, uh, use

colourful language. then they take advantage of or have taken advantage of their voters for the past 13, 14 years because, uh, because they just think that year after year they'll vote for them regardless, just because they're conservative. the truth is, there's no conservatives left in the conservative party. i might i may argue with you. i'll be so you are half of the problem with the conservative party. you're not a conservative. here we go. you're a liberal democrat in disguise, a liberal democrat in disguise, a conservative. why i heard a real conservative. why i heard that, and that's why the tories are mess. are in such a mess. >> had enough of this >> i've had enough of this because people you. because of people like you. >> why the tories touch >> that's why the tories touch it too much. >> belinda, i've got to be honest. what is the point of the reform party? you're just going to labour government? to deliver a labour government? >> know, i was a member of >> you know, i was a member of the conservative party for 20 years it turned into years until it turned into a sneering, snobby eu submitting open high taking open borders, high tax taking take that's forced to deliver brexit taking, allowing the pubuc brexit taking, allowing the public sector to be take over by by wokeism i am not rewarding failure and in fact anyone that

does keep rewarding failure cannot complain if the next conservative government comes in, absolutely con the in, they absolutely con the british people with crumbs of slightly conservative policies to go back on 99% of them. once on power, they do not own your vote . the arrogant i. i believe vote. the arrogant i. i believe in in democratic choice and what the tories want to do not persuade people with their own arguments. want to threaten arguments. they want to threaten and scare people. oh, vote for us labour will get the us or labour will get in. the tories are a version of labour. there's very little difference between two of them all. between the two of them all. >> the things you just >> the things that you just mentioned you dislike, they mentioned that you dislike, they get labour. mentioned that you dislike, they get as labour. mentioned that you dislike, they get as with labour. mentioned that you dislike, they get as with any labour. mentioned that you dislike, they get as with any disease, mentioned that you dislike, they getas with any disease, and >> as with any disease, and i believe westminster is sick. >> i believe the main parties are cure, the are sick. and the cure, the cure, sometimes taste cure, the cure sometimes taste tastes a bit nasty. medicine can be but you be be unpleasant, but you will be cured the end of it. we need cured at the end of it. we need to reset politics put to reset politics and put british and british british people and british interests of interests first, which none of the main do, and reform the main parties do, and reform uk does. >> let's let's dig into >> right. let's let's dig into some reform's policies, shall some of reform's policies, shall we? belinda i having a look we? belinda i was having a look at of their policies at some of their policies earlier particularly earlier on, particularly their taxation look taxation policy. they look unfunded they?

unfunded to me. are they? >> this unfunded. do you >> i love this unfunded. do you know how much how many billions are by the conservative are wasted by the conservative party mismanaging our taxpayers money? billions are wasted. i'm not going . to go over what not even going. to go over what the mistakes they did in covid the mistakes they did in covid the money wasted in the nhs. we can save so much money by getting more bang for our buck with the taxpayers money and use it absolutely the it to absolutely support the british and i think it's british people. and i think it's right raise the threshold to right we raise the threshold to £20,000 people £20,000 because taxing people so they will just keep they don't work will just keep people benefits. people at home on benefits. that's right. by them and that's not right. by them and it's the it's not right by the government. that's well and government. that's all. well and good, but i didn't hear a plan there. good, but i didn't hear a plan the belgium and butterworth. are >> belgium and butterworth. are you happy reform you happy that reform is surging? because it means that your starmer, is going your man, keir starmer, is going to number 10? to be in number 10? >> i mean, look, you know, there was a red wall poll today that put labour points ahead put labour 20 points ahead of the so there's put labour 20 points ahead of the a so there's put labour 20 points ahead of the a massive so there's put labour 20 points ahead of the a massive shift there's put labour 20 points ahead of the a massive shift to ere's put labour 20 points ahead of the a massive shift to labour been a massive shift to labour in own right. i think, you in its own right. i think, you know, belinda and her policies are hilarious. you know, i call them uk because it's them reheated uk because it's just people like ann just a load of people like ann widdecombe fruitcake. farage widdecombe and fruitcake. farage just trying to get another bit

of attention in your party doesn't even know woman doesn't even know what a woman is, ben. >> the biggest joke in the >> it's the biggest joke in the country. >> labour action. and you're going why? going to help them. why? >> so make arguments, your >> so make your arguments, your lot. be. tories need to lot. i'll be. the tories need to make their argument. >> the argument. >> i have made the argument. >> i have made the argument. >> they just taxes cut, immigration tighten taxes immigration rules tighten taxes up highest burden in up to the highest tax burden in decades, fell down northern ireland. >> exactly. let me your >> exactly. let me address your points. after the points. taxes cut after the highest tax burden in 70. no tax cut all. you take you take cut at all. you take you take 100 pieces of and give 100 pieces of gold and give someone half a bar and say, someone back half a bar and say, there here's your there you go, plebs. here's your tax. think? how do we tax. why do you think? how do we pay tax. why do you think? how do we pay for the how do we pay pay back for the how do we pay back covid inflation halved, back the covid inflation halved, inflation is around the inflation is halved around the world. with the conservatives. >> that the way in >> i just say that the way in which the part where i do actually agree with belinda, rather is that i rather than alby is that i really hate electoral pacts. and actually the brexit party did it with tories at the last with the tories at the last election. and think was election. and i think that was a mistake of mistake in the interests of democracy, voters have a right to the full selection of to have the full selection of choice, not good enough choice, and it's not good enough to say that reform is just letting labour in. the fact is, people for any of those

people can vote for any of those parties and they should be allowed seats. allowed to in all 650 seats. yeah, conservatives are letting labour them labour and they've given them the keys. >> defeatist they've >> they're defeatist and they've given british people. given up on the british people. >> literally according given up on the british people. >>the literally according given up on the british people. >>the statistics,3rally according given up on the british people. >>the statistics, letting:cording to the statistics, letting laboun to the statistics, letting labour, conservatives to labour, the conservatives to finish the mps can run back finish all the mps can run back and rejoin the to where and rejoin the lib dems to where they belong. >> and >> exactly, and dare i say, i think maybe we're all making the case for a bit of electoral reform in this country. >> so people do have genuine >> so people do have a genuine choice at ballot box. yeah. choice at the ballot box. yeah. >> and if we cut taxes and cut the blob and spending money the blob and stop spending money on diverse inclusion on stupid diverse inclusion rubbish, we rubbish, no, it will grow. we have for growth. no, we have a plan for growth. no, we have a plan for growth. no, we have a plan for growth. you don't. >> the tories don't. but i'm going to have to cut something here. still to come, folks. we're i'm gonna say a few we're gonna. i'm gonna say a few things khan's latest things about sadiq khan's latest wheeze. benjamin's wheeze. and benjamin's going to talk the walkers. talk about tipping the walkers. man britain surely on man in britain will surely be on the workers on that the side of the workers on that one. next, our very own ben one. but next, our very own ben lehrer to discuss the lehrer wants to discuss the premier league well, premier league and, well, my club, newcastle he's club, newcastle united. he's asking, woke? asking, have they gone woke? you're with saturday five you're with the saturday five live news

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yes, yes . yes, yes. >> welcome back to the saturday five. cheers very much for your company and indeed your emails. dave. it's written in. good evening david. he says they say turkey is unsafe, but i think the united kingdom is worse . the united kingdom is worse. ivan says 165 embassies in the uk . each embassy and its grounds uk. each embassy and its grounds is a sovereign territory, which means that it's an extension of its nation state and its own people can be dropped at said embassy, to be returned to their own country . they might be own country. they might be rather full now , brenda says. if rather full now, brenda says. if a country has signed up to the treaty of the echr, then that country is safe . otherwise it is country is safe. otherwise it is actually them that is in breach of the treaty they signed to the same conditions as ourselves. it's not up to britain to police that. it's not up to britain to police that . that's it's not up to britain to police that. that's up to it's not up to britain to police that . that's up to the united that. that's up to the united nations. tony asks, what nations. and tony asks, what doesit nations. and tony asks, what does it matter if labour get in? we already have a communist labour government in power.

well, tony, brenda deluise is in full agreement up next, though, it's ben. leo. ben what have you got for us? >> well, first of all, tony, i absolutely agree with you there. but now don't know if but look, now i don't know if you at home like football, you guys at home like football, but newcastle united, they're at home luton earlier this home to luton town. earlier this afternoon. were without afternoon. but they were without lifelong united fan lindsay smith she has been smith because she has been banned from james. saint banned from saint james. saint james's until 2026. her james's park, until 2026. her crime was stating biological. facts that sex is binary. now lindsay, she's a lesbian. she believes trans women are men, and she expressed her so—called gender critical beliefs on social media, which, unbelievably prompted her own club, newcastle, to go and grass to the premier league about her apparent bigotry . and they. the apparent bigotry. and they. the premier league then launched a four month private investigation into every nook and cranny of her life . they spent four months her life. they spent four months building up a spy dossier on lindsay, including and i can't believe this photographing her, walking behind her walking her dogs behind her house, trawling through her social media history and even

finding out where she worked and detailing it in a massive cache of information . lindsay of information. lindsay unbelievably , was then unbelievably, was then interviewed by the police when telltale club newcastle handed them the 11 page dossier. they said she had no case to answer. what a bunch of hypocrites. newcastle united are. let's not forget they're owned by mohammed bin salman and the saudi arabian royal family nation home to royal family and nation home to some of the worst lgbt rights in the world, including the death penalty for being gay and despite being cleared by cops, lindsay has been banned by newcastle from the stadium for three seasons. an absolute three seasons. it's an absolute outrage. newcastle have scored a massive this on massive own goal with this on many and they now need to many fronts and they now need to call. sorry , unban lindsay call. uh, sorry, unban lindsay and for their and apologise for their outrageous orwellian behaviour. darren grimes you are a newcastle united fan but i want you to now condemn your club for the ridiculous , uh, obsessive the ridiculous, uh, obsessive and orwellian behaviour that they displayed here. >> i think i find it quite fascinating that your problem is with newcastle united and not

the premier league, because it was actually a premier league dossier . dossier. >> newcastle grass the >> yeah, newcastle grass to the premier newcastle. >> the dossier said is from the premier league. yes. that is compiled by the premier league encouraged by newcastle united who who banned her from their stadium who premier stadium but who all premier league from league clubs who banned her from the stadium. newcastle united i accept and that, you know , accept that and that, you know, condemn is coming sooi'i. 500“. >> soon. >> condemn them. >> condemn them. >> then why would i not do that given that i am liable to be? well, you've been talking a lot for the last 40s. i've condemned them absolutely. think it's them absolutely. i think it's wrong this, i think, and wrong to do this, i think, and it's an affront speech, it's an affront to speech, to debate. i don't it's debate. and i don't think it's conducive to a free and liberal society. so yeah, i do condemn it. worried about it. i'm a bit worried about being banned myself . love being banned myself. i love going saint park. it going to saint james's park. it is, the most magical is, in my view, the most magical stadium the country . but is, in my view, the most magical stadium the country. but i stadium in the country. but i think that they have have got this massively wrong. but i think your ire with the northeast is misplaced. >> no, with newcastle united football club, you've got a big gripe with the northeast, with newcastle united football club, the southern pansies, ben ,

the southern pansies, ben, you've got a big gripe with the northeast . northeast. >> it's a bit racist and i actually think that the problem ought be with the premier ought to be with the premier league, not with i agree with what they did do. >> think that they should have >> i think that they should have followed or followed her walking home or walking her dogs? no, that's a bit over the top. but actually we have had a real problem in football stadiums decades ago. it was with racism. that's still a but not to same a problem, but not to the same extent because they were proactive homophobia , proactive homophobia, transphobia, those kind of attitudes . how she attitudes. how was she transphobic? common in stands around? how was she transphobic? well, i mean she said she said trans women aren't women. >> how is that transphobic? >> how is that transphobic? >> said. so supposedly, >> she said. so supposedly, according to a tweet that was reported that trans ideology started the nazis. now started with the nazis. now clearly a totally clearly that is a totally inappropriate think clearly that is a totally inéaoropriate think clearly that is a totally inéa football think clearly that is a totally inéa football club, think clearly that is a totally inéa football club, you think clearly that is a totally inéa football club, you haveink clearly that is a totally inéa football club, you have to as a football club, you have to say that everybody should feel safe in your stands as a supporter for paying the wages of the players, and this person was potentially making those other people feel unsafe , other people feel very unsafe, ridiculous, absolute nonsense. >> biological >> she was stating biological fact by saying trans women

aren't and then aren't women. and then one single person complained to newcastle about it, and then the club felt it upon themselves to act thought police in act as thought police in some sort of george orwell novel. yes you have to say something. >> it is worth noting, though, that newcastle united aren't here themselves . but here to defend themselves. but the telegraph, did you hear them ? mean, i'm sadly not ? i mean, what i'm sadly not a spokesperson for newcastle united . otherwise i would have united. otherwise i would have been a bit busier in the transfer window. >> belinda, do we do we want our football clubs policing their fans football clubs policing their fan this is very orwellian. i >> this is very orwellian. i think your or ideology has think your faith or ideology has to deeply flawed to force it to be deeply flawed to force it on people to demand punishment of those who don't adhere either to a faith based ideology . i to a faith based ideology. i think this is blasphemy laws through the back door women will suffer many , many, most women suffer many, many, most women around the world don't believe that identify as women that men who identify as women are actual women . in fact, they are actual women. in fact, they can be men that identify as women. dress how they like, call themselves what they like, but to people to deny reality to force people to deny reality in front of their eyes is very

dangerous path. but ben , i'm interested. >> actually, ben, that's not ben. leo. benjamin butterworth. because actually, on this you are as one with the private investment fund of saudi arabia. jew. >> i think that's a totally redundant argument because, look, we know that a lot of the billionaires multi—billionaires or the foreign in the case or the foreign state in the case of arabia, money here, of saudi arabia, money here, they are having a decision they are not having a decision in day to running of in the day to day running of management newcastle football management at newcastle football club. well they do they're not they own the club a ticket. and who doesn't. >> they've pumped millions and millions into that club. benjamin went to saudi benjamin if you went to saudi arabia you'd at risk of arabia today you'd be at risk of the penalty for being the death penalty for being a gay man. and saudi arabia gay man. and now saudi arabia can't believe you've outed when it comes when it comes to when it comes when it comes to when it comes when it their plaything in it comes to their plaything in the north—east they the north—east of england, they think it's fit to go and defend trans rights by policing people's thoughts. that's my argument doesn't argument. doesn't make any hypocrisy grandest scale . hypocrisy on the grandest scale. >> argument doesn't make hypocrisy on the grandest scale. >> sensergument doesn't make hypocrisy on the grandest scale. >> sense because doesn't make hypocrisy on the grandest scale. >> sense because the ;n't make hypocrisy on the grandest scale. >> sense because the problems any sense because the problem there that you have these there is that you have these repugnant megalomania . you have repugnant megalomania. you have those not that we a

those laws. not that we are a tolerant, progressive society of heavy handed, though , benjamin, heavy handed, though, benjamin, but does feel quite heavy handed. >> look, i take the point about the fact that football has had problems with racism and homophobia past. so so homophobia in the past. so i so i think is probably right i do think it is probably right if someone done something if someone has done something particularly that this particularly egregious that this might and doesn't seem might happen and it doesn't seem to me this has happened might happen and it doesn't seem to mthis this has happened might happen and it doesn't seem to mthis woman. as happened with this woman. >> lindsay, the premier league would look, we're just would say, look, we're just following equality and following the equality act. and actually this is individual has is in breach of that by discriminating against certain groups. they would say we have pride there, an embarrassing outfit as well. >> they newcastle united they already the newcastle united of course approached for comment by the telegraph and didn't say anything. the telegraph and didn't say anybutg. the telegraph and didn't say anybut i imagine they would >> but i imagine they would say, look, many outreach look, we've got many outreach groups, groups and all the groups, pride groups and all the rest it. would say rest of it. they would say they're being inclusive and want to being. but to ensure they're being. but what means, what it means is what it means, what it means is women becoming more and more women are becoming more and more frightened that frightened to just state that our biological needs our biological reality needs certain our biological reality needs cenwe're being cancelled and >> we're now being cancelled and punished for saying our truth and protecting our rights. it's

not okay for the blokes. >> some of the blokes that go to football matches have been tolerant, progressive, reasonable and attitudes reasonable people and attitudes to you know what? they're not >> do you know what? they're not attacking rights as a woman attacking my rights as a woman and i live very near a football pub. is filled pub. our street is often filled with rowdy, football. with very rowdy, drunk football. they never been anything they have never been anything but polite when teams lose , that but polite when teams lose, that has nothing to us. has got nothing to do with us. so rendering our protections to validate feelings of validate some men's feelings of being included. it's not right and we should and it's not fair. and we should have right to say that have the right to say that without being punished by football clubs or anyone. >> yeah, newcastle >> yeah, so newcastle united have she have actually said that she was in breach of their diversity and equality rules. so they they've got these rules in place. the equality act, the equality act protects gender critical beliefs, does indeed. so that's that's going to be issue that's going to be the issue when the free speech union are of that point. so of course arguing that point. so we'll see. but that's what that's my point. >> newcastle want to bang on about their equality policies and else, but they and whatever else, but they don't care that their owners are saudi arabia. we've some of saudi arabia. we've got some of the records in the the worst lgbt records in the world. it'sjust

the worst lgbt records in the world. it's just rank hypocrisy. well also irony that i well and also the irony that i think was the daily think this was in the daily telegraph, is about to be telegraph, which is about to be bought a foreign from bought by a foreign fund from a similar country. >> anyway, government have >> anyway, the government have stepped there . anyway, stepped in there. but anyway, we're to get the most woke we're going to get the most woke man in britain, benjamin butterworth be butterworth and he's going to be asking if we should automatically pay tips. but before that, i'll tackling before that, i'll be tackling sadiq latest move to sadiq khan's latest move to penalise you're the penalise london. you're with the saturday gb news .

now they're coming to an end . now they're coming to an end. welcome back to the saturday five, as always. >> thanks very much for your emails. neil has written in. good evening neil. and neil says i'm a labour voter of 40 years and my wife, a tory voter, for about the same amount of time . about the same amount of time. both of us will be voting for the reform party at the next election. belinda deluise's the reform party at the next election. [voting deluise's the reform party at the next election. [voting toryjise's the reform party at the next election. [voting tory would be delighted voting tory would be

rewarding . total failure now , rewarding. total failure now, camilla has written in and camilla has written in and camilla says it seems to me that the tentacles of tony blair are still causing problems and this is why benjamin butterworth is gleeful not only in his introduction of changes that undermine our country, but also in his influence on the politics of both labour and the conservative. gives right? it's time now for our next debate. >> yes, it's our very own darren grimes. darren what's been on your mind this week ? your mind this week? >> well i'll be i want to start off by talking to you about sadiq khan. now you know i don't like doing this, but i've decided to do it. sadiq khan is back frances latest to back in frances latest move to hike parking fees for suv drivers. that's to according the daily mail. but the real folly here, i think you've got to ask yourself. our political class, their devotion to net zero. these fantasies that they keep telling about that telling were about that threatened to leave were frankly shivering, penniless and vulnerable. so i say forget french politicians. we ought to look at its farmers. farmers

rebelling against eco madness , rebelling against eco madness, fighting not just for france, but for the west's survival . but for the west's survival. europe eats more than it grows, and the net zero solution is to slash our food production . it's slash our food production. it's as daft as curing your obesity by amputation. the joined by german farmers . protesting fuel german farmers. protesting fuel tax hikes, dutch farmers defiant nitrogen limits. it's the kind of european solidarity that even i can get behind the making our brexit vote look timid. we'll need oil and gas for years to come and thank god for that. they actually lifted us out of the dark and into the light. literally. this isn't just about parking fees or ulez. i think it's a dire warning. and the french farmers are actually leading the charge . they're the leading the charge. they're the vanguard in a fight for a future not ruled by frost. financial ruin or greta thunberg a future where common sense trumps frigid, costly and confusing .

frigid, costly and confusing. net zero delay visions . now, net zero delay visions. now, beunda net zero delay visions. now, belinda , i'm sure you're in belinda, i'm sure you're in agreement with the french farmers. >> well, i think eu regulation have made, uh, farmers lives a misery. you know, they have drones going over their fields. you can't trim a bit of hedge or anything. now without being complained or having a complaint made. um, and the sad thing for our fellow . european friends is our fellow. european friends is that they can't vote these eco net zero nutters out. like, at least when ours start preaching from the green bible of a middle class vanity project , we can class vanity project, we can turf them out very, very quickly. at next election, quickly. at the next election, we choice they don't over we have a choice they don't over in the eu. they get it inflicted upon them. and you know the suicide rate of farmers in france is so high, especially compared to the uk, because farmers are unable to make a profit, barely as it is with . profit, barely as it is with. all the regulations and the environmental hoops they have to jump environmental hoops they have to jump through and they're destroying it all for what we

should be supporting. farmers across europe. >> ben, do think actually >> ben, do you think actually we'll similar kinds of we'll see similar kinds of movements happen in britain movements happen here in britain because the in scotland , for because the in scotland, for example, you've got lots of big farming communities. wales. example, you've got lots of big farming communities. wales . the farming communities. wales. the same. and they're saying, look, i'm at the end of my tether here with all these policies coming forward. >> well, i think what you find with people generally . is when with people generally. is when their backs are against the wall, as we saw in covid. and when it comes to the crunch, people find the resolution in um and the will and the courage to for stand up what's right in terms of all these protests, there's many different aspects to them. the key one, as far as i'm concerned, especially in holland, the netherlands, is holland, in the netherlands, is the . net zero draconian net zero the. net zero draconian net zero rules where they're trying to cut emissions by all sorts of insane policies. nitrogen and actually, in the next actually, i think in the next couple years, we're to couple of years, we're going to see a mass awake running on net zero. and the harm and the

damage it's to cause, damage it's going to cause, not just but countries just this country, but countries all world, this all around the world, this completely march completely deranged march towards neutral or towards a carbon neutral or carbon there carbon free future. there is going i'll tell you going to be, uh, i'll tell you what's to happen. you're what's going to happen. you're going to have the same thing that in covid, where 2 or that we saw in covid, where 2 or 3 years down the line, people will never, never will say, i never, i never pushed for i never i never pushed for that. i never i never wanted to advocate for this. nothing to do with me. they'll be so embarrassed the be so embarrassed at the ridiculous net ridiculous of pushing for net zero and zero that they'll try and distance themselves from it completely. mean, idea, completely. i mean, the idea, have shame to try and have you got no shame to try and say you're on the side of say that you're on the side of farmers when the brexit campaign went people in farming went to people in farming communities across this country, they eu subsidies. >> i know that'll be a nightmare for businesses, we'll for your businesses, but we'll give you did they? they give it you back. did they? they did farmers have struggled did not. farmers have struggled worse than most because of brexit and the brexit in this country. and the second about net zero, it second point about net zero, it is massive, really popular. it was in major party's was in every major party's manifesto consistently was in every major party's manifesto most consistently was in every major party's manifesto most people tently was in every major party's manifesto most people agree shows that most people agree with have seen let's with it. and we have seen let's have a referendum now that's of the know, third of the world. you know, a third of bangladesh water last year bangladesh under water last year from their worst floods. from their worst ever floods. countries commonwealth countries in the commonwealth that won't be habitable in 10 or

20 years time. >> nothing with >> that's nothing to do with french responsibility french farmers responsibility to tackle change and if tackle climate change and if that means a few french farmers changing their ways, then good. are you kidding ? are you kidding? >> that's absolutely outrageous because , what do you do because actually, what do you do that we've just seen in in that we've just seen in the in the middle east, for example, the middle east, for example, the fact that the houthis are firing and goodness only firing rockets and goodness only knows what else at maritime ships. what will you do? what is your bright idea for when we have to rely on the stocks? we've got in europe? and actually, your net zero delusion has meant that we don't grow food here any longer. >> you know what's so nonsense about your argument is that one of the reasons that we are seeing more war and more famine and is our climate and more disaster is our climate change. we are seeing more immigration than we are seeing more people from that part of the world need leave where the world need to leave where they it's becoming they live, because it's becoming too to be hospitable and too hot to be hospitable and moving to places. >> like, even that true, >> like, even if that was true, it's do with the it's got nothing to do with the farmers. and in terms the farmers. and in terms of the brexit thing, say, oh, we

brexit thing, you say, oh, we lost the subsidies, they get subsidies in france and they're still because subsidies still rioting because subsidies only massively only help massively rich farmers. small and farmers. it's the small and medium sized farmers that don't get subsidies , same as get the subsidies, same as in this. >> e- e really important >> that's a really important point everything point to bring everything back to zero. to net zero. >> have been problems >> there have been problems with farming europe for decades farming in europe for decades before net zero commitments committed . it's farming before net zero commitments committed. it's farming is subsidised . it would not be subsidised. it would not be profitable without subsidies . profitable without subsidies. there is something fundamentally which does not work about with farming in europe. and i think, darren, your obsession with net zero, week after week after week , you need to get over the fact because because it's one of the greatest sins it's ever cast on this country. >> popular policy. no it's not. >> popular policy. no it's not. >> let's have a referendum on net zero. >> let's have it. >> let's have it. >> let's have they. they'd lose in a heartbeat. >> era would win. >> era would win. >> oh well, said about >> oh well, they said that about brexit. it's true. >> it's popular policy. >> it's a very popular policy. why why hasn't anyone why has why hasn't anyone done started for a net started a movement for a net zero referendum? >> because there are so many lies. so much lies. there's so much propagation. have we're lies. there's so much propagerid 1. have we're lies. there's so much propagerid of have we're lies. there's so much propagerid of net1ave we're lies. there's so much propagerid of net zero.ne're lies. there's so much propagerid of net zero. noe

getting rid of the net zero. no thatis getting rid of the net zero. no that is not true. the backs of the british people and europeans is bare the is being stripped bare by the taxes and constant whoops. we're having jump through no having to jump through for no reason. sank the sea , reason. if uk sank into the sea, it would have no impact on farming. >> this. >> this. >> let me ask you this. if net zero is so popular, why is your own prime minister rishi sunak, scaling net zero scaling back on net zero commitments as commitments and why, as soon as he announced those, uh, those adjustments the policies, adjustments to the policies, including pushing dates including pushing the dates back for why for petrol and diesel cars, why did up in the polls immediately? >> the prime minister's committed to net zero by 2050 because uk because because the uk because because the uk has actually over performed when it comes to its journey to net zero, we were able to push back that automotive, um, vehicles target from 2030. so you had 2035 and that's why rishi sunak revolt? no he moved the electric . no he moved the electric. vehicles target back because the uk is out performing what we thought we were going to do. and he's granted he's not just done that. >> he's granted north sea oil licences. as soon as he did that, he shot up in the polls.

the tories shot up. if the tories today said we're scrapping net zero, they'd probably the election. scrapping net zero, they'd pro no ly the election. scrapping net zero, they'd pro no they the election. scrapping net zero, they'd pro no they wouldn't,:ion. scrapping net zero, they'd pro no they wouldn't, they would. >> no they wouldn't, they would. >> no they wouldn't, they would. >> sun's still ahead this evening. >> just the tories won't >> he just said the tories won't win the election. yeah. >> shell scrapped net still ahead. >> the most warlike man in britain, butterworth, britain, benjamin butterworth, is be asking if we is going to be asking if we should automatically tips. should automatically pay tips. you're saturday five you're with the saturday five live news

welcome back to the saturday five. thank you again for your emails. i tell you what, you should be here with us in the studio because you've got better opinions. sue has written in about newcastle united and she argues that actually, maybe there aren't legal ban the lady legal grounds to ban the lady outright. definition, to outright. the definition, to according employment appeal according the employment appeal tribunal judgement, is that gender beliefs include gender critical beliefs include the belief that sex is immutable and not to be conflated with gender identity. now, newcastle united may turn round and say,

look , we've got policies on look, we've got policies on equality and diversity. and those were breached. elaine says. the vote is don't care anymore. if labour get in because it can't get much worse. and when and if does a general election is called and reform uk will hopefully get a chance to put the green light back into britain . britain. >> amen. >> amen. >> and the belinda de lucy into parliament. now it's time. it's time for our next debate. up next, it's benjamin . and next, it's benjamin. and benjamin's going to tell us about why he's tight. >> well, look, it's been a week of really heavy news. you know, the us is bombing iraq and syria . you've had to lock up two teenage sadists in warrington, and then a suspected chemical attacker turned up at the checkout in tesco metro. what a week. but aside from those really heavy stories, i tell you what's got my goat mandatory tipping? now, as i sat in a north london cafe this morning enjoying an avocado and toast and a complimentary browse for

today's guardian, i was handed a 12.5% tip on top of the cost of my food and drink, and i was livid. this is an american import that i really don't think we should accept. and then it's got worse . as it turns out that got worse. as it turns out that the scotsman group , which owns the scotsman group, which owns about 153 bars across scotland , about 153 bars across scotland, is now putting a 2% service charge just for getting a pint. so that's people charging you a service charge just to do what they're paid to do in the first place. now i don't accept that this is a good thing because it encourages businesses , bars, encourages businesses, bars, restaurants, pubs to then have pittance, pay for their workers and hope that customers pick up the tab. well frankly, you feel awkward as an englishman having to say no, i want to take the service charge off. and when all they've done is hand me my, you know, strawberry daiquiri. i don't want to give them a tip for that. i that's what for that. i think that's what they're for in the first they're there for in the first place. so i think it's about time we say to these bars, look, we don't want the mandatory

tipping. an american tipping. it's an american import. it now . import. let's stop it now. >> i can't believe i agree with you wholeheartedly, benjamin . i you wholeheartedly, benjamin. i know i've been a waitress. i've been a bar man. i've been everything you can imagine. that works. i've been a barman, a barman, a barman. i'm not into all this funny gender stuff. so, yeah, i've been a barman and enjoyed it. and i have never sought out tips. i've never made that the point of the job. i do my job. and if i excel and if people like me and want to tip me, then that's great. but it has to be their choice. i completely agree with you. it lets big companies off from paying lets big companies off from paying a proper like paying them a proper wage like an american. paying them a proper wage like an did.rican. paying them a proper wage like an did. your boss split the tips >> did. your boss split the tips whenever a tip? did you whenever you got a tip? did you split them amongst your colleagues keep them colleagues or did you keep them for because like for yourself because i only like tipping if know that tipping if i know that individual to individual waitress is going to get if share it get the money if they share it out, tip someone because out, i tip someone because they've done a good job, not because i want them to share it. you know, on a card machine that it's them. yeah, it's going to go to them. yeah, yeah, even worse. yeah. yeah, that's even worse. yeah. we have seen too many examples of actually just of big businesses actually just

absorbing service of big businesses actually just absorbiinto service of big businesses actually just absorbiinto their service of big businesses actually just absorbiinto their actual service of big businesses actually just absorbiinto their actual costs. :e charge into their actual costs. >> and it is actually >> and i think it is actually just vehicle for businesses just a vehicle for businesses to, you know, add money onto the cost of the customer and not necessarily pay the staff any better. ben, i'm a little bit confused don't we confused because don't we already mandatory tipping? already have mandatory tipping? >> essentially because have >> essentially because we have the and it's the service charge. and it's very someone would very rare that someone would ever say, no, i'm not paying the service charge. i've said, no. have really bad? have you really bad? >> i wouldn't have the bottle. >> i wouldn't have the bottle. >> before as >> i have said no before as well. i'd be too embarrassed from benjamin butterworth. >> have >> oh, didn't we already have mandatory tipping? >> everywhere. so >> not everywhere. say what? so controversial about it? not mandatory. >> i think it is creepy in in a way unreasonable. way that's quite unreasonable. you when i was you know, i remember when i was a i would to the a kid and i would go to the hairdressers with my grandmother and grandmother and my great grandmother and they giving a tip they would revel in giving a tip because they were happy because they were so happy to say thank for the service. say thank you for the service. and the little village, alderley edge. but feel frustrated edge. but now i feel frustrated that sometimes, that it's expected sometimes, like this morning, this guy actually really bad actually was a really bad service that's why it came service and that's why it came to me. but the idea that just giving a pint over if you go to

new york, right, you immediately have to pay a service charge. i think have stop that. but think we have to stop that. but some people would say it's good for the business to keep them going. >> yeah, it's especially i suppose is if the suppose the argument is if the business is going to take a cut of tip for overheads. i of that tip for overheads. i mean, electricity costs are at all business rates all time highs. business rates are crippling businesses and all time highs. business rates are crtheing businesses and all time highs. business rates are crthe country. lesses and all time highs. business rates are crthe country. so ;es and all time highs. business rates are crthe country. so is and all time highs. business rates are crthe country. so i think|nd down the country. so i think maybe providing a bit of context, a good thing context, maybe it's a good thing that take a slice that businesses can take a slice of tips. no, think of the tips. no, no, i think otherwise. otherwise you're not going to have a venue to go and eat your your crusty eat your your, your crusty avocado, and, sip avocado, avocado and, and sip your earl grey and read your, your earl grey and read your, your guardian and plot your leftie future . yeah, well, yeah, leftie future. yeah, well, yeah, i don't want to do it in this comfort of your bedroom. yeah, it's costing more and more it's costing me more and more as i flick through morning star. >> it's a real it's a real nightmare. but look, i just think a lot of people don't think that a lot of people don't like this, but it's one of those topics where english, topics where we're english, right? we feel awkward about confronting these things, and yet massive yet it is adding massive inflation to people's bills of going for hospitality. okay. going out for hospitality. okay. >> me let me ask you a

>> well, let me let me ask you a question then. would you would you it meant the venue you tip if it meant the venue stayed open? >> uh, if that was if i knew that was somewhere that was that it was somewhere that was struggling wanted struggling and that i wanted it to yeah, my to stay. yeah, but that's my whole point. it should be voluntary. should we of voluntary. should we get rid of the service yes the 12.5% service charge? yes i think we should. because sometimes you get fabulous service. you have real banter with whoever's helping or with whoever's helping you or they change your order for, you know, precious , uh, know, know, my precious, uh, you know, there corbynista there might be a corbynista workers in these industries may say, really struggling say, look, i'm really struggling at the minute. >> the cost of living crisis has really hard. got really hitting hard. i've got illegal migrants this illegal migrants coming to this country working 80% my wage , country working 80% of my wage, undercutting my wages. i need benjamin butterworth to put his handin benjamin butterworth to put his hand in his tight pocket and pull out some cash to support me, and i'm happy to if they've done a good job. >> but i think the truth is that we're seeing an american model here where they're not paid properly in the first place, and we have to pick up the tab. >> all right. we're going to have to leave it there. thank you much all of the you very much to all of the panel and to you, wonderful

panel and to you, our wonderful viewers. it's the viewers. next up, it's the brilliant evans standing brilliant simon evans standing in for leo kearse for the saturday night showdown. cheers for next for watching. we'll see you next week. >> e’- f feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt spot of weather on boxt boilers spot of weather on gb news is . gb news is. >> hello there. good evening, i'm jonathan vautrey here of your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. joining the northern half of the uk that saw some of the better, sunnier breaks the course sunnier breaks over the course of today and into this evening as well. you've got the greater chance seeing some clearer chance of seeing some clearer spells the spells around the start of the night. murky and cloudy night. quite murky and cloudy across the southern half, particularly western wales, southwest fog southwest england, some hill fog outbreaks around the southwest england, some hill fog outbrewill around the southwest england, some hill fog outbrewill tend around the southwest england, some hill fog outbrewill tend to around the southwest england, some hill fog outbrewill tend to thickend the southwest england, some hill fog outbrewill tend to thicken in he cloud will tend to thicken in the north we head throughout the north as we head throughout the north as we head throughout the half of the night. the second half of the night. some arriving some rain eventually arriving towards for most of us towards dawn. but for most of us it is going to be a very mild night. really here night. temperatures really here what during what we'd normally expect during the this point in the daytime at this point in february quite a dreary, damp start ireland. start for northern ireland. northern england and into scotland into sunday scotland as we head into sunday with of rain spreading with outbreaks of rain spreading their in touch drier to their way in a touch drier to their way in a touch drier to the south. still drizzle

the south. still some drizzle to watch for and we could see watch out for and we could see the sunnier break the odd sunnier break just develop, perhaps for eastern wales, perhaps wales, eastern england perhaps also well, also eastern scotland as well, but some very blustery but with some very blustery southwesterly winds coming in. and mild direction of southwesterly winds coming in. andso mild direction of southwesterly winds coming in. andso it mild direction of southwesterly winds coming in. andso it is mild direction of southwesterly winds coming in. andso it is going! direction of southwesterly winds coming in. andso it is going toirection of southwesterly winds coming in. andso it is going to see ion of air. so it is going to see temperatures widely above average for the time of year. that rain in the north eventually stalls where this frontal lies across frontal system lies across scotland, it is pushing its scotland, as it is pushing its way into some colder air ahead of it. we could see some snow over hills in the far north, over the hills in the far north, maybe into some lower maybe even into some lower levels for caithness and orkney, but warning is in force but a rain warning is in force for western scotland, where we could persistent could see some very persistent rainfall monday. rainfall throughout monday. drizzle the drizzle and cloud across the board. further to the board. really further to the south . but rain will south of that. but the rain will eventually arrive across southern districts we head southern districts as we head towards and wednesday. towards tuesday and wednesday. enjoy your evening. enjoy the rest of your evening. by enjoy the rest of your evening. by looks like things are heating >> looks like things are heating up boxt boiler. as sponsors of weather on gb news .

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